Heroes on NBC

[cstmstyle]

Anyone check this out yet on Itunes? It was great and can't wait to see this in HD at the end of the month. :D

[celticpride]

I am going to put this on my season pass, it looks interesting to me.

[UTV2TiVo]

When does it start?
I don't see it in the Guide yet.

[rezzy]

The one (asian) guy stops a clock and that equates to stopping time itself. :rolleyes: But, it potentially makes him the most powerful (could do anything undetected). I'll watch the pilot-ep at least.

[CPanther95]

The one (asian) guy stops a clock and that equates to stopping time itself. :rolleyes:

It sounds a lot less ridiculous if he is stopping time itself and that equates to the clock stopping. I think the clock was just showing the stoppage of time, otherwise anyone that gets ahold of that magic clock could just remove the cover and grab hold of the second hand. ;)

[keenan]

When does it start?
I don't see it in the Guide yet.
"Heroes" starts Monday, Sept 25, 9PM ET/PT.

[taz291819]

I'm looking forward to it.

[cstmstyle]

The one (asian) guy stops a clock and that equates to stopping time itself. :rolleyes: But, it potentially makes him the most powerful (could do anything undetected). I'll watch the pilot-ep at least.

You will really need to see the show the asian guys conversation with his buddy is actually pretty funny.

[CPanther95]

Just a reminder that this hasn't aired yet, so consider anything seen from iTunes a spoiler.

[nightowl]

Just a reminder that this hasn't aired yet, so consider anything seen from iTunes a spoiler.

I've looked all through iTunes and couldn't find any reference to Heroes. Can anyone provide a link?

[keenan]

I've looked all through iTunes and couldn't find any reference to Heroes. Can anyone provide a link?
I looked too and couldn't find it.

[FSugino]

Regarding Heroes on iTunes - I got a card at my local AMC theater over the weekend that was good for one free download of the Heroes premiere episode. You have to use the "Redeem Code" feature to get it. I'll try it when I head home for lunch today.

[cstmstyle]

Yes you need to get a code in order to download from Itunes there are other methods to get the episode but were not allowed to speak of them. Anyways I don't know how to use the spoiler tags myself so lets keep any possible spoilers hidden to those that don't want to see them. I guess whats shown in the promo ads is fair game to talk about. Like I said before this show is looking to be a must watch. Possibly may replace smallville as the best superhero type show on TV now IMHO.

For those that can't get a code on Sept. 18th

Yahoo TV is offering exclusive streaming video of full episodes of CBS’s Jericho, about a town in the aftermath of a nuclear explosion, and NBC’s Heroes, about humans with super powers. And like fellow Internet portals MSN and AOL, Yahoo TV is also offering the pilot episode of Vanished and the season two premiere of Prison Break, both on Fox.

[FSugino]

Okay, if you get one of these Heroes/iTunes download cards and use it, you'll get the first episode of Heroes called "Genesis" as well as two other shows. One is a "Heroes Extras" which looks like an extended 8+ minute commercial for the show. The other is the NBC fall preview show that runs for around 25 minutes.

There's good news and bad news about the premiere episode. The good news is the presentation in 16:9 widescreen. The bad news is the resolution is tiny! It's only 320 x 180! The other two segments are 640 x 480. I suppose it's s file size issue (Genesis clock in at 255 MB), but I wish this was available at a higher rez.

[Rakesh.S]

This show has been on the air for 3 years already...It's called The 4400.

Good luck to NBC with this show - I doubt it'll last very long; these types of shows rarely do.

[sandiegojoe]

I doubt it'll last very long; these types of shows rarely do.

haven't been too many of "these shows" in recent years to make that comparison. Smallville would be the only comparison I can think of, it did ok, and was geared towards a younger audience. This ought to appeal to a much broader audience and could be a huge hit. I know I've been waiting for a good superhero/superpower show for years.

[cstmstyle]

If you've been waiting for a good superhero/superpower show i don't think you will be disappointed, although some will mostly for the sake of complaining about something. Some of you will know what I mean about that. The music alone got me excited and it reminded me of the feeling i got when i first heard the superman opening theme. i don't think this compares to the 4400 its so much better then that show.

Now that I think of it I think the batman begins soundtrack was used during the opening

[IndigoBlu]

I also really enjoyed the pilot. This show seems somewhat cinematic, I really think this will be a hit. NBC has pimped this all over the place.

[archiguy]

.... i don't think this compares to the 4400 its so much better then that show.

Then it must be very good indeed, as 'The 4400' is an excellent show that I've watched from the original miniseries.

[rezzy]

It sounds a lot less ridiculous if he is stopping time itself and that equates to the clock stopping.There's a particular scene where dude is in an office cubicle concentrating his stare on a clock/watch. Anyways, the second-hand stops and he jumps up and yells "huzzah!" Or whatever the japanese phrase for *huzzah* is. Maybe he has a magic watch.

[FSugino]

There's a particular scene where dude is in an office cubicle concentrating his stare on a clock/watch. Anyways, the second-hand stops and he jumps up and yells "huzzah!" Or whatever the japanese phrase for *huzzah* is. Maybe he has a magic watch.
That would be "Yatta!" which translates to "I did it!"

[ckenisell]

Who's ready for this show? This looks very promising. After viewing the web site, this has got to be my most anticipated show this season.

[Enigma]

Looks interesting, but will it be this seasons "Lost", or this seasons "Invasion", "Surface", or, worse, "Threshold"?

NBC needs for something to catch on. After losing Seinfeld and Friends it seems the only consistently popular shows they have are the L&O series (which seem like they are running out of steam to me).

[RockyF]

I'm looking forward to it. It's been my most anticipated show since it was announced in May, actually I was even paying attention to it during the development season, so I'm ready for it. The pilot has actually been available on iTunes all month, but I'd rather watch in HD on my 51" screen than on the computer.

Enigma, I feel that NBC has started their recovery with My Name is Earl and The Office, although you're right, despite critical success, those show will probably never match Seinfeld or Friends in popularity, but most of the critics are saying that NBC has got a very strong new season starting up. I guess we'll have to wait and see whether or not they can pull out of the number four spot.

[NetworkTV]

Looks interesting, but will it be this seasons "Lost", or this seasons "Invasion", "Surface", or, worse, "Threshold"?
The problem with comparing new shows to "Lost" is that very few shows are as successful as "Lost". It's a horrible comparison. If that was the basis for keeping a show, there would only be 6 shows on the networks right now.

A show doesn't need to be a mega-hit to be successful. As long as you beat "Law & Order: Living Room Closet Investigation Unit", or get numbers comparable to "CSI: Fresno", you got a show that will potentially last.

"Lost", while not number 1, is still an unusually popular show. Between that and "American Idol" or "24", you have a huge number of eyeballs. If those numbers were required to keep a show on the air, 3/4 of the primetime shows on the air would have been cancelled.

I actually cringe when I see comparisons to "Lost" in every show thread. You might as well compare it to American Idol or the other top shows out there. However, it's irrelevant if the new show isn't in the same timeslot. The only other shows any program needs to be compared to is the other shows airing in the same timeslot. You win the week timeslot by timeslot. ABC's MNF was one of very few programs that had the potential to win the week by itself. Even "Lost" can't pull those numbers.

At any rate, I am also looking forward to this show. I hope they do it right.

[uncrph90]

The problem with comparing new shows to "Lost" is that very few shows are as successful as "Lost". It's a horrible comparison. If that was the basis for keeping a show, there would only be 6 shows on the networks right now.



I think it is less an issue of the ratings success of Lost vs. CSI Fresno (I like that!) vs. L&O what day is it today, as it is the recent history of serialized, slow reveal, sci-fi dramas. Lost is so far the only one to "stick" while other similar concepts have failed. That is the burden Heros is fighting against. Is that a fair comparison--probably not.

If you remove the "sci-fi" element, then Prison Break is a success story and Jericho (for example only--not sure if it is sci-fi or "straight" yet from the pilot) would be in that group. (IMO at least.)

[talbain]

it's interesting that it looks like nbc is airing the pilot again tomorrow night as well. the same episode in primetime two nights in a row is unusual to say the least...

[Sturmie]

i saw an advance of the pilot and my wife and i really liked it...similar to the The 4400 and X-Men at this point, but it's only episode #1 :)...the way the characters tie in to each other is well done too...also, without giving anything away, there's a good twist that we never saw coming either...pretty cool.

i'm trying to give most of the new pilots 1 or 2 episodes this season...Heroes definitely has me coming back for episode #2.

sturmie

[RockyF]

Well, talbain, it might be unusual, but not unheard of, ABC did it with the Grey's Anatomy season premiere last week. And several of the new pilots are getting second airings in primetime this season, with a week or so of the original airing. And don't forget Heroes will be on again Friday night on SciFi.

[CPanther95]

i saw an advance of the pilot and my wife and i really liked it...similar to the The 4400 and X-Men at this point, but it's only episode #1 :)...the way the characters tie in to each other is well done too...also, without giving anything away, there's a good twist that we never saw coming either...pretty cool.

i'm trying to give most of the new pilots 1 or 2 episodes this season...Heroes definitely has me coming back for episode #2.

sturmie

The only way there's a good twist that you never see coming, is if nobody tells you there's a twist that you'll never see coming.

If you've seen the show before its broadcast, please use spoiler tags for any comments regarding the show until it has aired.

[talbain]

Well, talbain, it might be unusual, but not unheard of, ABC did it with the Grey's Anatomy season premiere last week. And several of the new pilots are getting second airings in primetime this season, with a week or so of the original airing. And don't forget Heroes will be on again Friday night on SciFi.


right, i've seen the nets re air shows later in the week (jericho was shown on wed. and again on saturday), but i don't recall the second airing being on the very next night during the work week in primetime. i'm sure it's been done before, but it's still odd. my conclusion is that either nbc has a really weak fall lineup or they're scared monday night football is going to cut into their core demographic for heroes. if it's the latter, it makes me wonder why they'd slot it for monday nights to begin with...

[RockyF]

Well, a couple more examples, tonights Runaway on CW will air again in the same timeslot tomorrow night, and next weeks NBC pilot Friday Night Lights will air on Tuesday and Wednesday. Various networks are doing similar stunt scheduling which isn't unusual this time of year. They are just giving people more chances to catch the new shows as well as fill in the holes until later debuting shows come along.

[CPanther95]

It's a particular concern with all of these serials. If most people miss the first episode, they'll never tune in.

[ckenisell]

It's a particular concern with all of these serials. If most people miss the first episode, they'll never tune in.
I fully agree. Nearly every new series is getting the pilot ran more than once.

Also, I am a bit upset that I now know there will be a twist. :(

[rsra13]

I'm going to watch it.

Maybe not today, but someday this week. My Mondays are full, I have scheduled to recording The Class, Prison Break, How I Met Your Mother, Heroes, Weeds and Studio 60. I still haven't watch the pilot for Studio 60 so I'm not sure if I'll keep that show.

[PCMusicGuy]

I saw the pilot last week on yahoo.com. Looks like my kind of show!

[YogiYahooeys]

Was anyone else missing the vocal track at the beginning of the program?

There was sound coming from the center channel but no voices... only after a few minutes in did the voices finally come throught.

At least for me, it was on the HD broadcast both Cable (Insight) and OTA (WFIE, Evansville, IN)...

YY

[MarkAllan22]

Ali Larter, oh my.

[raaj]

Was anyone else missing the vocal track at the beginning of the program?

There was sound coming from the center channel but no voices... only after a few minutes in did the voices finally come throught.

At least for me, it was on the HD broadcast both Cable (Insight) and OTA (WFIE, Evansville, IN)...

YY

It's weird.. the HD channel is out of sync with the SD version of the channel by about 10 minutes with just the surround channels, and absolutely no vocals/center channel in the HD channel. The SD channel has already gone to commecial break while the HD channel is still with the Indian guy in his dad's apartment.

Weird !! Way to ruin the premier of the most expected premiere of this season. :mad:

Oh, I am with Adelphia Cable in Boynton Beach, FL.

[rezzy]

I also really enjoyed the pilot. This show seems somewhat cinematic, I really think this will be a hit. NBC has pimped this all over the place.For a minute there at the beginning, it did look like it was gonna take off into an Indiana Jones-type movie. Decent, it was; PQ wasn't that good, though. And it's kinda hard to tell where it's going to wind up. Will they band together and become prime-time X-men?

[Assayer]

My wife fell of the sofa laughing when I admitted that I had actually read X-men 143.

[Enigma]

For a minute there at the beginning, it did look like it was gonna take off into an Indiana Jones-type movie. Decent, it was; PQ wasn't that good, though. And it's kinda hard to tell where it's going to wind up. Will they band together and become prime-time X-men?I agree it'll be interesting to see where they take it. Saw the pilot tonight (unfortunately SD; out of town on bus in a hotel). Looks promising to me, though.

[petergaryr]

Best line: "Super Hiro"

The show indeed has promise.

[DuaneAA]

I just got my Sony Pearl a couple days ago. I thought the picture quality was excellent, well except for a the bright yellow stripe (about 10 pixels wide) running down the left edge. (Guess I need to figure out how to use its 'blanking' feature).

The story has potential, but they need to pick up the pace. Sometimes with shows like this, I think they should write the whole first season, but start the actual filming with the second season.

Duane

[dogmanky]

Excellent show. Surprises me that NBC has it. Seems more like a FOX show. I really enjoyed it and the HD OTA looked pretty good here in Nashville area on WSMV.

[Kevin12586]

I thought it was a nice premiere, my wife and I were switching back and forth when Monday Night Football went to commercial and actually kept it here a few times. I will give it a few episodes before I make up my mind, I just wish it wasn't on against MNF. :(

[DaveFi]

Nice that the writers have a sense of humor, right down to the anime like subtitles over the hillarious exchange between the two Japanese buddies.

Good stuff.

[ckenisell]

Could be the cable company's fault. I didn't have a problem with it at all OTA. Awesome first episode. This was like a GOOD version of 6 degrees. :D

[Scopeboy]

San Diego is having some major issues, everything is in pink and green

[lax01]

At first sight, this show is a total rip-off of all the great shows that are currently on the air...they clearly took the global cast characteristic of "Lost" (not a bunch of white people) and while the show isn't really like Lost, there are some other major similarities that just can't go un-noticed. They also basically stole the plot from The 4400...I mean its almost down right theft.











With ALL THAT SAID, I still found the show incredibly entertaining....it has a very decent, mixed cast which seem to mesh together well. The writing is decent, nothing great like BSG or Studio 60, but it seemed to work. I think the thing that draws me most to the show though, is that I am interested in the characters...unlike Jericho where I couldn't care less. At the end of the premiere, I was left wondering, "who are these people? And how are they going to come to terms with these new powers and abilities?" I also question where this show is going...will it be a straight-up comic book type X-Men show, or more like the 4400.

I'll be around for another few episodes to see where it goes....its my type of show, but I honestly don't know if I can take another 4400

[avjeff]

San Diego is having some major issues, everything is in pink and green

I thought it was just me or my DVR. I didn't start watching it until 9:30, and I had to skip forward about 10 minutes before the picture was fixed. It was unwatchable when it was all pink and green. Then it was boxed in on all four sides for another few minutes.

Fortunately I already saw the episode on Yahoo. Hopefully the pink/green will not come back.

[kpoon]

i think the dialogue sucked. too corny & contrived. i hope it improves as the season progresses. the concept of the show is enough to keep me coming back for at least a few more episodes. nice twist at the end with the brothers. the twist w/ the father was totally predictable.

[Sean W. Evans]

I am curious who else caught tonight's premiere episode. I found it giving just enough that I will tune into the next couple weeks. However, I felt the trailer for the coming weeks gave away way to much; so hopefully it was just a red herring on the true direction of the show.

Ali Larter's character quite frankly scares me.

The flying part was so "Smallville", you always wonder, but never see it. :)

We shall see.

[HDTVFanAtic]

Always been an Ali Larter fan. Hope this works for her.

[jefe noche]

I thought the premier KICKED ASS. Great PQ/SQ and what a great soundtrack. I can't remember the last time something on network T.V. gave me goosebumps (actually some of the best "Lost" episodes have :) ).

One episode and I am hooked for the season.

[sandiegojoe]

My wife fell of the sofa laughing when I admitted that I had actually read X-men 143.


Lol, too funny, I've still got mine in the garage somewhere

[Marcus Carr]

It has potential. Looked great on WBAL on Comcast.

[mrhan]

I caught this on NBC.com a couple of weeks ago. It had a good premise. I'm going to give it a chance. It sort of had same premise as the revamped X-Men from 1976.

[Ou8thisSN]

i wasnt too thrilled about it... maybe its because I'm from India and that classroom looked nothing like a real indian classroom. Seemed contrived and the coincidences were so Lost-esque it was nauseating. But besides that, i'll watch it till something better comes along. Not a hit for me though

[DrDon]

threads merged

[keenan]

Pilot was a lot better than I'd thought it would be, definitely be checking it out again next week. I just hope it doesn't turn into a Big 4 net ripoff of The 4400, I cringed when the voiceover did the saving the world bit.

[Iteki]

Pilot was a lot better than I'd thought it would be, definitely be checking it out again next week. I just hope it doesn't turn into a Big 4 net ripoff of The 4400, I cringed when the voiceover did the saving the world bit.


I haven't watched the 4400 so I guess I'm missing out...I hear great things about it.

As far as Heroes goes, I had very high expectations given all the preseason hype, and for the most part they didn't disappoint.

Likes:

Hiro...the guy cracks me up...too bad he couldn't take his buddy with him, they made a good comedy team. Doubtful he is going to be fluent enough in English or any of the others in Japanese to have the same kind of back and forth dialogue. Shame...but he's my favorite character so far.

The mystery that still surrounds little Ms Internet Stripper. What's up with the mirrors? Alternate personalities? The image on the mirror had blood on her hands, she didn't. Weird.

The brothers - It should be interesting to see this play out. Man-Nurse finally thought he had some special gift, and it turns out to be his brothers'. So what's *his* gift? Seeing the future in dreams? What's the difference between him and druggie painter boy?

Overall production quality seems very good, you can tell they really want this show to make it.

Dislikes:

Not sure about little ms indestructible...she creeps me out a bit. But that might be a good thing. The hand in the garbage disposal was nasty...she seems to get a strange pleasure from hurting herself. Or does she feel pain? not sure.

Indian scientist/conspiracy - This has been done to death so many times they are really going to have to impress me with this.

I'm signed up for the season, we'll see where this takes us.

[Miles]

Prepare for this series to be canned after a half of a season... why? Because I enjoyed it. Over the last few years any show I've enjoyed gets canned... i.e. Threshold, Surface, etc..

It's almost too painful to start watching these things any more because you can invest a fair amount of time only to have clueless studios yank them from under your feet :)

[Don S]

I thought the premier KICKED ASS. Great PQ/SQ and what a great soundtrack. I can't remember the last time something on network T.V. gave me goosebumps (actually some of the best "Lost" episodes have :) ).

One episode and I am hooked for the season.


Same here. I loved it. And the humor intermixed was awesome. Best line for me was <<Japanese dude to his friend who is being dragged back to his seat by his boss>> "Use the death grip!".

I found it extremely compelling. Can't wait for the season.

[rezzy]

The mystery that still surrounds little Ms Internet Stripper. What's up with the mirrors? Alternate personalities? The image on the mirror had blood on her hands, she didn't. Weird.Made me think of Jean Grey's transformation into the Phoenix.



The brothers - It should be interesting to see this play out. Man-Nurse finally thought he had some special gift, and it turns out to be his brothers'. So what's *his* gift? Seeing the future in dreams? What's the difference between him and druggie painter boy?I think Nurse-Man and Dope-Dude are only related because they like the same woman.



Not sure about little ms indestructible...she creeps me out a bit. But that might be a good thing. The hand in the garbage disposal was nasty...she seems to get a strange pleasure from hurting herself. Or does she feel pain? not sure.We've seen Wolverine do this, but that insinkerator-incident was just nasty :eek:.

[EchoBaseGeek]

I will toss in my hopes for this as well, not by any means an original but held my interest none the less, which is very hard to do for me with tv....looked great and I really liked the pace.......

I am a huge fan of Unbreakable(the film) and I think this certainly played off someof the elements in that film.....

The 4400 comparsion works but that show lost me after Season 1 so I am hoping this plays out well...

[archiguy]

The 4400 comparsion works but that show lost me after Season 1 so I am hoping this plays out well...

Too bad for you; should have stuck with it.... it's gotten stronger each season and has been renewed for another.

[ckenisell]

What is this 4400? When and where was it aired? I've never heard of it until this thread.

The older brother, running for Congress, is Natalie Maines' (lead singer of the Dixie Chicks) husband.

I, too, am wondering if the little brother actually has any powers.

Other than the cheerleader's father and the mob, are there any other bad guys in this show? Are there going to be good heroes and bad heroes? The dope head painter wants to be good. Ali Larter's character could be a bad character, but she alter ego tore a couple of members of the mob in halves. Good or bad? I guess we have to tune in to find out more.

[Marcus Carr]

Not sure about little ms indestructible...she creeps me out a bit.

I'm glad I didn't have ribs for dinner. Funny that her biggest concern is that her "ability" will hurt her popularity at school.

I wonder if her superhero costume will be a cheerleader outfit.

[Rob13]

What is this 4400? When and where was it aired? I've never heard of it until this thread.

The older brother, running for Congress, is Natalie Maines' (lead singer of the Dixie Chicks) husband.

I, too, am wondering if the little brother actually has any powers.

Other than the cheerleader's father and the mob, are there any other bad guys in this show? Are there going to be good heroes and bad heroes? The dope head painter wants to be good. Ali Larter's character could be a bad character, but she alter ego tore a couple of members of the mob in halves. Good or bad? I guess we have to tune in to find out more.
From some reviews I've read, it implied that some of the "Heroes" will not use they powers for good. Looks like Ali Larter's character could fall into the bad category, (but she was protecting herself) and I think if younger brother does have some powers, the older brothers crosses to the dark side after losing the election, setting up a face-off between the two.
As for the show, I enjoyed it. Hopefully it sticks around.

[archiguy]

What is this 4400? When and where was it aired? I've never heard of it until this thread.


It's on the USA network, a summertime series. It started as a miniseries, but was picked up for a full season based on strength of ratings. I think it just finished its third season. Pick up the DVD sets! If you think you'll like Heroes, you'll likely enjoy The 4400 as well. Also has one of the "catchiest" theme songs in TV history. Hard to believe you haven't heard of it at all. :confused:

[keenan]

What is this 4400? When and where was it aired? I've never heard of it until this thread.


http://www.tv.com/4400/show/23350/summary.html
The 4400 TV Show - The 4400 Television Show - TV.com

[ckenisell]

Hard to believe you haven't heard of it at all. :confused:
Eh. I only subscribe to the HD channels.

[cstmstyle]

From some reviews I've read, it implied that some of the "Heroes" will not use they powers for good. Looks like Ali Larter's character could fall into the bad category, (but she was protecting herself) and I think if younger brother does have some powers, the older brothers crosses to the dark side after losing the election, setting up a face-off between the two.
As for the show, I enjoyed it. Hopefully it sticks around.


I think an even greater twist would be big brother in an effort to not use his powers at all makes little brother turn to the bad side. From the pilot we see how much goodness the little brothers character tries to represent but I think him going bad because he's fed up with always trying to help others is possible. Thats just a guess and I think would be interesting to see.

I never got into The 4400 of the few episodes I seen. From what I could tell it was more along the lines of people with abilities after being abducted or something and not a comic-bookish superhero feel which is what I think Heros is going with. It think Heroes has great potential and I look at it as spiderman meets unbreakable meets the X-men.

Oh and Ali Larter is hot by the way anyone have some screen shots of her on the bed? :D


My one complaint was the cheerleader's clothing after she jumped and stood up you could see all the padding under her uniform. I know from an interview she does a lot of her own stunts so props to her as she's pretty hot too.

[nashvillecat]

This show was advertised allot where I live. It did live up to its expectations, I think.

I loved it for the fact that the whole idea was very original. The music was fantastic! (Music in shows this season appears to be more cerebral.)

The only thing I would say is a problem is the fact that the scenes chabged too frequently and too fast. I think maybe they wanted to get all the characters out there in the first episode. It just seems a little ruched to me.

All in all, this show rocks! I just hope there are enough "geeks" out here to keep this show going.

[russelle]

Anyone know if the pilot will be replayed? I missed the first one. I saw it in the guide but it didnt register... duh...

[ckenisell]

It will be replayed tonight.

[ckenisell]

The only thing I would say is a problem is the fact that the scenes chabged too frequently and too fast. I think maybe they wanted to get all the characters out there in the first episode. It just seems a little ruched to me.

They have not introduced all of the heroes just yet. It did not feel rushed to me. This was pure entertainment with a some thought. It is not a "check your brain at the door" show, but it's not Studio 60 or The Sopranos either. I think NBC hit the nail on the head with that pilot and believe this is the show to watch.

[flint350]

I found it good enough to warrant watching more. They are obviously taking their time to develop the characters and plotlines slowly, to keep some sense of suspense and mystery. This will likely be a mixed blessing - those who are impatient to know everything NOW (like many Lost critics) will quickly lose interest. And those of us who enjoy the suspense (if well done) will most likely get crushed again by an impatient network expecting immediate thru-the-roof ratings. When those ratings are slow to build - out comes the axe (see Invasion, etc) and the loyal among us will be disappointed once again after investing the time and not seeing the payoff.

[JimsArcade]

This show could go either way for me. The X-Men parallel was blunt to say the least... which isn't necessarily a good or bad thing.

I doubt the Japanese guy will offer much comic relief anymore, which would be a shame because he was the brightest part of the episode. (Well, that and some of Ali Larter's scenes. ;) ) The "twists" at the end were pretty obvious, but I think that was the right decision in terms of what to do with those characters.

I'll be keeping this in the DVR queue.

[cstmstyle]

I don't think this show will get the axe as there are enough of us geeks waiting for a good comic book type TV show. I can't see how people could compaire shows like invasion as an example of a decent show getting booted. The thing is ABC, CBS, and NBC all came out last season with basically the same show Invasion, surface, threshold. Hereos on the other hand doesn't have the same problem unless you want to say smallville or The 4400 are the same show. I don't think it is and has enough of a story line to keep people interested. Lets hope the writers don't screw this one up in an attempt to draw in viewers that would otherwise not be interested.


I wanted to add if anyone else didn't catch it that Hiro's friend clicked off Ali Larters porn site when Hiro ran up to him in the office. Kinda cool how there trying to tie in everyone.

[Marcus Carr]

It was the number one show of the night.

http://broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6375225.html?display=Breaking+News

[Daryl L]

Me likey, it was good. But I'm a big Ali Larter and Hayden Panettiere fan. ;)

[lax01]

I posted in the other thread, but I guess this one was more popular...I enjoyed it but it really is similar to a lot of popular shows...definitely going to watch it again...

[raaj]

I don't think this show will get the axe as there are enough of us geeks waiting for a good comic book type TV show. I can't see how people could compaire shows like invasion as an example of a decent show getting booted. The thing is ABC, CBS, and NBC all came out last season with basically the same show Invasion, surface, threshold. Hereos on the other hand doesn't have the same problem unless you want to say smallville or The 4400 are the same show. I don't think it is and has enough of a story line to keep people interested. Lets hope the writers don't screw this one up in an attempt to draw in viewers that would otherwise not be interested.


I wanted to add if anyone else didn't catch it that Hiro's friend clicked off Ali Larters porn site when Hiro ran up to him in the office. Kinda cool how there trying to tie in everyone.

You saying Invasion, Surface and Threshold were basically the same show is like saying Saving Private Ryan, Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket are basically the same movie, just because they were all wartime movies. I have to :rolleyes: at such generalization.

Maybe Friends and Everybody Loves Raymond are basically the same show - afterall they both are sitcoms.

[RDK006]

Isn't it ironic to criticize these for being "the same show" (and I don't agree that they are) when recent TV seasons have given us multiple CSI and Law & Order series?

[OniKoroshi]

Ill be watching this season. I enjoyed the pilot and I agree, the Japanese guy and his friend were the funniest part of the episode. "Use the death grip!"

[rezzy]

Man-Nurse finally thought he had some special gift, and it turns out to be his brothers'. So what's *his* gift? Seeing the future in dreams? What's the difference between him and druggie painter boy?Oh---you mean how are their powers different (?). They are somewhat similiar....really hard to say. Maybe they'll have that Scott & Logan thing over the female love-interest. *shrugs*

[Iteki]

Oh---you mean how are their powers different (?). They are somewhat similiar....really hard to say. Maybe they'll have that Scott & Logan thing over the female love-interest. *shrugs*


Yeah, sorry, that was my question. They can apparently both see the future...although I guess Man Nurse can see only HIS future and he's conscious of it. Druggie boy seems to see a bit more globally, but he does it unconsciously (he doesn't remember painting them). Does his ability work because of or in spite of his heroin addiction?

[mollerup]

So far it's my favorite new series out there. Jericho not so good and Studio 60 could get boring are the other two new series i'm comparing to. This has definitely been one of the better premiers since Lost (the gold standard in premiers.)

[jeffrey r]

Both my wife and I really liked the Pilot. Really looking forward to seeing how this show progresses.

[rezzy]

Does his ability work because of or in spite of his heroin addiction?Dude, you're asking too many good questions at once :D. Are you saying all the greats (Da Vinci, Picasso, Van Gough, etc.,) were addicts?

[pappy97]

i wasnt too thrilled about it... maybe its because I'm from India and that classroom looked nothing like a real indian classroom. Seemed contrived and the coincidences were so Lost-esque it was nauseating. But besides that, i'll watch it till something better comes along. Not a hit for me though

I am Indo-American (ABCD, if you know what that means) and not only did I love the show, but I am glad to see Indians playing Indians on Heroes, not freakin' Naveen Andrews playing someone of Arab origin (nothing wrong with arab's, but since he is indian, why can't he play an indian?)

[cstmstyle]

You saying Invasion, Surface and Threshold were basically the same show is like saying Saving Private Ryan, Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket are basically the same movie, just because they were all wartime movies. I have to :rolleyes: at such generalization.

Maybe Friends and Everybody Loves Raymond are basically the same show - afterall they both are sitcoms.

My context of those examples was pointing out that everyone is comparing Heroes to another "invasion" Of the three shows I was talking about, which all featured some alien being and a body of water and government conspiracies it was in it simplist form the same idea for a show put out by three different networks at the same time. I never watched them so yes my generalization is a bit biased but not off base, when most everyone I know felt the same way. I was just pointing out that I don't feel that Heroes could be classed as another copy cat show destined to be cancelled. I apologize if my explanation doesn't make sense to you.

And for your examples you mentioned I would of used Armageddon and Deep Impact at least the storyline is a bit more similar. Unless you were trying to be sarcastic because Invasion, Threshold and Surface were all so very very different ;)

[maximum360]

Seems good so far. I'll be watching next week.

[raaj]

My context of those examples was pointing out that everyone is comparing Heroes to another "invasion" Of the three shows I was talking about, which all featured some alien being and a body of water and government conspiracies it was in it simplist form the same idea for a show put out by three different networks at the same time. I never watched them so yes my generalization is a bit biased but not off base, when most everyone I know felt the same way. I was just pointing out that I don't feel that Heroes could be classed as another copy cat show destined to be cancelled. I apologize if my explanation doesn't make sense to you.

And for your examples you mentioned I would of used Armageddon and Deep Impact at least the storyline is a bit more similar. Unless you were trying to be sarcastic because Invasion, Threshold and Surface were all so very very different ;)

No apologies needed. You admitted that you didn't watch the three series mentioned, so it is easy to not know what sets those shows apart. Just like you said that Invasion, Surface and Threshold were alike because they all involve a monster, some thing to do with water and government conspiracies, my examples of SPR, AN and FMJ also involve a protaganist who was a soldier, had something to do with a boat ride, and all deal with the travails of a soldier fighting in traumatic and tragic wars. But it would be an oversight to claim all three of them were similar.

You are kinda missing the trees for the forest here. ;)

[CPanther95]

With all the previews over the past 6 months, it was almost like I had seen everything in the pilot already. Really looking forward to the next few episodes to see where they take it.

[Bill Shakespeare]

Well, talbain, it might be unusual, but not unheard of, ABC did it with the Grey's Anatomy season premiere last week. And several of the new pilots are getting second airings in primetime this season, with a week or so of the original airing. And don't forget Heroes will be on again Friday night on SciFi.

And you have one more chance to watch the Pilot in SD on USA next Monday evening.

A colleague at work told me about the show today. I'm glad I watched tonight. I had not paid attention to any of the promos.

Here's hoping it gets a good run from NBC.

[maximum360]

No apologies needed. You admitted that you didn't watch the three series mentioned, so it is easy to not know what sets those shows apart. Just like you said that Invasion, Surface and Threshold were alike because they all involve a monster, some thing to do with water and government conspiracies, my examples of SPR, AN and FMJ also involve a protaganist who was a soldier, had something to do with a boat ride, and all deal with the travails of a soldier fighting in traumatic and tragic wars. But it would be an oversight to claim all three of them were similar.

You are kinda missing the trees for the forest here. ;)

Of the three shows you mentioned Surface was the worst. Invasion was just getting interesting when they killed it. Too bad one of the main stars of invasion brought his annoying look and personality to Prison Break.

[jdiehl]

Other than the cheerleader's father and the mob, are there any other bad guys in this show?

I'm guessing that the cheerleader's father will be the show's main bad guy. They seem to be focused on him as he was chasing around the Indian guy and was also in his deceased father's apartment looking for stuff. Apparently he knows about some of the mutants out there (maybe not his daughter though) as well as the researchers (Indian father and son) that were/are hot on the trail.

[ralphyboy]

2 things I noticed that stood out:

1. At the japanese karaoke bar, were those the same 2 guys who were plastered all over the internet with their video of them lip syncing the Backstreet Boys? If so, that's a pretty funny tribute.

2. The stripper's son, when she was at his school, was reading one of those comic books, that from next weeks preview, shows that the japanese guy's future is being predicted. This is jacked directly from Lost, where you see Walt reading about polar bears, and then they appear.

[spid]

The show seemed to be rushed. I don't like the fact that most knew they had powers before you know them.

To answer ralphyboy it wasn't those guys, but it was a tribute to them. There was something else the writers took from something else but I can't remember it now.

[FrankJ.Cone]

(nothing wrong with arab's, but since he is indian, why can't he play an indian?)

Because there were not very many Indians in the Republican Guard!

SLOW, very SLOW. I am thinking this is going to be the next Surface...

[Gary*w*]

I really liked the "Heroes" pilot! I'm gonna give it a couple more episodes to see where it goes as well.

[mflanagan]

Yep, The wife and I both liked it......

BTW: We both liked invasion too and Were ticked off that it got cancelled. And Lost, Dont get me started on lost. Good show but they jack you around all season because they are 1 week on, 3 weeks reruns, then 2 weeks on then 2 weeks reruns. I hate thier schedule and if they keep this up people will get disinterested!

[Gary*w*]

Yep, The wife and I both liked it......

BTW: We both liked invasion too and Were ticked off that it got cancelled. And Lost, Dont get me started on lost. Good show but they jack you around all season because they are 1 week on, 3 weeks reruns, then 2 weeks on then 2 weeks reruns. I hate thier schedule and if they keep this up people will get disinterested!


ABC is supposed to be changing the "Lost" schedual this season to stop the reruns.

[CPanther95]

Yep, The wife and I both liked it......

BTW: We both liked invasion too and Were ticked off that it got cancelled. And Lost, Dont get me started on lost. Good show but they jack you around all season because they are 1 week on, 3 weeks reruns, then 2 weeks on then 2 weeks reruns. I hate thier schedule and if they keep this up people will get disinterested!

Schedule for Lost changed this year. 2 mostly continuous runs - 7 or 8 episodes in the Fall and the rest in '07.

[mollerup]

Yep, The wife and I both liked it......

BTW: We both liked invasion too and Were ticked off that it got cancelled. And Lost, Dont get me started on lost. Good show but they jack you around all season because they are 1 week on, 3 weeks reruns, then 2 weeks on then 2 weeks reruns. I hate thier schedule and if they keep this up people will get disinterested!

Maybe you should give it another chance this season:

"'Lost': The biggest twist yet -- no reruns!
All Lost viewers live in fear of The Others. No, not the violent dinner theater troupe from the other side of Fakebeard Island -- I refer to the dreaded other episodes, the reruns that fill the substantial gaps in the show's 35-week schedule.

Well, fear not, fanimals. You won't have to wait for new episodes ever again. Or rather, your waiting will be consolidated. Lost will air in two chunks next year: a seven-episode arc in the fall, followed by a 13-week break, then a straight consecutive airing of the remaining episodes. (The hiatus will be filled by Day Break, a Groundhog Day-meets-24 suspense series starring Taye Diggs.)"

[ckenisell]

And nobody has mentioned that it was presented with limited commercial breaks. Props to NBC for pushing the sponsers to do this.

Of course, I skip all of the commercials whether they're there or not.

[trbarry]

I don't think this show will get the axe as there are enough of us geeks waiting for a good comic book type TV show. I can't see how people could compaire shows like invasion as an example of a decent show getting booted. The thing is ABC, CBS, and NBC all came out last season with basically the same show Invasion, surface, threshold. Hereos on the other hand doesn't have the same problem unless you want to say smallville or The 4400 are the same show. I don't think it is and has enough of a story line to keep people interested. Lets hope the writers don't screw this one up in an attempt to draw in viewers that would otherwise not be interested.

I guess I identify with that geek demographic since this was my most eagerly anticipated new show of the season. And I wasn't disappointed! :)

Heroes is definitely on my watch list.

- Tom

[patrickpiteo]

A keeper , just let us hope NBC feels the same way..

[nuttyinnyc]

This was one of my Must see programs and it didn't disappoint. I am very pleased. I think NBC will give this show a quick oreder for 22 - 24 episodes. How can you say NBC is ripping off the 4400. NBC owns that show too.
Both shows have characters with different powers but the way they got the powers are completely different on each show.
We have delt with this 35 week season for years. We should all be use to the reruns during the holidays and the non-sweeps months. At least LOST still does 24 episodes and not 22.
It is about time the networks do something that makes the viewers happy. 24 straight episodes of 24, 2 non stop seasons of LOST (8 then 16) & ER (8 then 12).

[keenan]

Actually, The 4400 is produced and owned by CBS/Paramount TV and is sold to USA Network for distribution in the US.

[ckenisell]

We have delt with this 35 week season for years. We should all be use to the reruns during the holidays and the non-sweeps months. At least LOST still does 24 episodes and not 22.
It is about time the networks do something that makes the viewers happy. 24 straight episodes of 24, 2 non stop seasons of LOST (8 then 16) & ER (8 then 12).

I think and hope the networks have finally figured out that this kind of bull is what is causing the loss of viewership. Just look at HBO. They don't, under normal circumstances*, show re-runs throughout the season. They know they'd lose subscriptions that way.

*The Sopranos did this last season with one re-run, but it was due to a holiday weekend.

[nuttyinnyc]

I read somewhere, that after the success for 24(24 straight) and the FX network with running 13 straight of The Sheild, nip/tuck, & Rescue me. The big 4 networks are going to try 13 week seasons with no repeats on some shows. Lets hope Heroes gets one of these orders. But untill we get that announcement we can expect repeats in October again.

[Wytchone]

i don't think this compares to the 4400 its so much better then that show.


Saw it and like it a lot. That being said 4400 is better. However with the crappy 13 episode seasons and the year long breaks, 4400 could be overshadowed if Heroes is done right. IE full Seasons 23/24 episodes, no year long breaks and loss of characters due to the time between shows.

Just my 2 cents.

[Iteki]

Dude, you're asking too many good questions at once :D. Are you saying all the greats (Da Vinci, Picasso, Van Gough, etc.,) were addicts?


LOL no I'm not saying that his ability to paint stems from his H addiction, but that his ability to 'see' the future and paint it (yet without his conscious knowledge) might indeed be either because of his addiction or in spite of it. If he gets off H, will his ability disappear, or will he become conscious of his visions?

[CPanther95]

There might be something to that. I've never tried H, and I've never painted a masterpiece. ;)

[rezzy]

If he gets off H, will his ability disappear, or will he become conscious of his visions?Well geez, I don't know; good question, though. I'm told in the 60s, people were droppin' acid like crazy, thinking its ride was some real breakthrough thing. I'm too young to remember it.

[NetworkTV]

And nobody has mentioned that it was presented with limited commercial breaks.
I, for one, was wondering when they were going to start limiting them after the second time they made that claim during the show. When they came back for the last segment and claimed there would be no more interruptions, I thought "Oh great. Big deal. They're giving us a whole 10 minutes with no commercials."

[ckenisell]

I, for one, was wondering when they were going to start limiting them after the second time they made that claim during the show. When they came back for the last segment and claimed there would be no more interruptions, I thought "Oh great. Big deal. They're giving us a whole 10 minutes with no commercials."
Sorry it wasn't to your liking, but there were only 3 commercial breaks. I felt like we got more show than a normal show (which gets, what, 5 or 6 commercial breaks?)

[talbain]

finally got around to seeing this tonight. it was awesome! i REALLY liked it. this could easily be my favorite show on television if they play their cards right, and the first episode was definitely a step in the right direction

[Don S]

finally got around to seeing this tonight. it was awesome! i REALLY liked it. this could easily be my favorite show on television if they play their cards right, and the first episode was definitely a step in the right direction

Completely agree.

[Wytchone]

Actually, The 4400 is produced and owned by CBS/Paramount TV and is sold to USA Network for distribution in the US.

Stupid on CBS part, why give away a winner?

[Josh Z]

Stupid on CBS part, why give away a winner?

There's a distinction between the production aspect of the company of the TV network aspect. For example, 20th Century Fox produces many shows that air on a variety of networks, not just Fox.

[keenan]

Stupid on CBS part, why give away a winner?
It's very common for production houses affiliated with one network to sell shows to other networks. NBC/Universal has ownership and distribution control for "House" for example, and is syndicated on USA Network, a NBC/Uni property. "House" is one of the FOX network's top shows.

[Wytchone]

I forgot thanks for clearing that up.

[RockyF]

Plus, with tv show DVD sales being such a big deal these days, the production and distribution companies stand to make big bucks on that end.

[Wytchone]

Well mostly my point was being that CBS has a larger budget and thus could have made the 4400 a even bigger hit. They would have had the jump on Lost, Heroes, etc and would be the standard others compare to and still making big bucks on DVD sales.

4400 is great but with the lack of full seasons and the length between them it reminds me of the Soprano's but with out the larger following.

Hope that cleared that up :)

[nuttyinnyc]

Well mostly my point was being that CBS has a larger budget and thus could have made the 4400 a even bigger hit. They would have had the jump on Lost, Heroes, etc and would be the standard others compare to and still making big bucks on DVD sales.

4400 is great but with the lack of full seasons and the length between them it reminds me of the Soprano's but with out the larger following.

Hope that cleared that up :)
But remember one thing, CBS sold The 4400 to the USA network where it has averaged 4 to 5 million viewers. Those are numbers CBS does not like to see. It would have been canceled way before the 6th episode of the original mini-series aired. By selling it to USA they make money and USA makes money by it being a hit. Everyone is happy. Cable gives shows a much better chance to stay alive because they don't look for the ratings the networks look for. Until this week it was unheard of a Cable channel beating the big 4 during the regular season during any hour.

[Wytchone]

You are correct. I always forget the short sightedness of the networks.

[DixonJDixon]

Finally caught the premiere. Liked it a lot. So did the Wife

The only distraction was a friend kept yelling, "Remember the Titans" every time the cheerleader was on screen. Needless to say, he won't be watching with us next time.

[CPanther95]

But remember one thing, CBS sold The 4400 to the USA network where it has averaged 4 to 5 million viewers. Those are numbers CBS does not like to see. It would have been canceled way before the 6th episode of the original mini-series aired. By selling it to USA they make money and USA makes money by it being a hit. Everyone is happy. Cable gives shows a much better chance to stay alive because they don't look for the ratings the networks look for. Until this week it was unheard of a Cable channel beating the big 4 during the regular season during any hour.

Very true. Even (arguably) the best show on TV, Battlestar Galactica, would likely buckle under the ratings pressures of the Big 4. What's worse, even the slightest rating pressure usually prompts meddling in the show's creative aspects. That's why we have a whole lot of the same thing on TV today - it's the attitude of "If you aren't #1 in the ratings, be more like the #1". Instead of Dramas or Sitcoms, the networks will be developing shows that are in the 4 new categories: Lostish, Houseish, Gray'sish or CSIish. The creative producers will fund shows that combine 2 or 3 of those categories. ;)

[rezzy]

You saying Invasion, Surface and Threshold were basically the same show is like saying Saving Private Ryan, Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket are basically the same movie, just because they were all wartime movies. I have to :rolleyes: at such generalization.

Maybe Friends and Everybody Loves Raymond are basically the same show - afterall they both are sitcoms.While those shows are not exactly the same, they certainly fall within the same catagory/genre. BSG, Lost and 24 are strongly influencing the face of TV right now. New programs are blending ideas from other successful shows (Jericho is a prime example), if not outright copycatting 'em.

[StormCrow]

Just watched the premier.

I enjoyed it and will be back.

So far, this and "Smith" have been the standouts. (IMO)

[trbarry]

Very true. Even (arguably) the best show on TV, Battlestar Galactica, would likely buckle under the ratings pressures of the Big 4. What's worse, even the slightest rating pressure usually prompts meddling in the show's creative aspects. That's why we have a whole lot of the same thing on TV today - it's the attitude of "If you aren't #1 in the ratings, be more like the #1". Instead of Dramas or Sitcoms, the networks will be developing shows that are in the 4 new categories: Lostish, Houseish, Gray'sish or CSIish. The creative producers will fund shows that combine 2 or 3 of those categories. ;)

Even worse, the audience is faddish and fickle. Including me. I've long since tired of the CSI's and recently even started losing patience with House as he gets more extreme.

- Tom

[spike jones]

I'm not going to be able to watch tonight. Anyone know if there is going to be a repeat?

[Wytchone]

I'm not going to be able to watch tonight. Anyone know if there is going to be a repeat?

Friday on Sci-FI at 6pm CST

Also you can catch it on the website the next day I believe.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/

[hongcho]

I guess owning SciFi as well as BSG doing well has encouraged NBC to have this type of show (I can't help thinking how they will handle the X-Men similarities). However, I agree with some that it may not survive being on NBC. It will definitely do well on SciFi, I guess. I'll have to see.

Hong.

[freq019]

anyone else experiencing voice lag and the whole show in SD?

[Jimmie Perkins]

Yeah, I am in DC too, total audio sync issues and SD. Been that way since the start of the show. Tried both OTA and DISH HD Locals. Same deal.

[freq019]

Yeah, I am in DC too, total audio sync issues and SD. Been that way since the start of the show. Tried both OTA and DISH HD Locals. Same deal.


So its not me then, I guess that's comforting but still messed up.

[rustyk111]

I have D* and it is looking pretty bad. The camera goes all blurry when it moves quickly and there is bad pixelation going on. There is no doubt that D*is cutting the feed here and it is very evident. I am getting pretty annoyed with the obviously low bitrates with D*, but what can you do?

[freq019]

I have D* and it is looking pretty bad. The camera goes all blurry when it moves quickly and there is bad pixelation going on. There is no doubt that D*is cutting the feed here and it is very evident. I am getting pretty annoyed with the obviously low bitrates with D*, but what can you do?


Its no good OTA either so hold off burning down the dish ;)

[DSperber]

Haven't gotten it yet on the West Coast, so I don't know if we'll have the same problem you did.

But I continue to be astounded at these kinds of reports (a number of which I've also seen out west), and the number and frequency of screwups from NBC/HD out of NYC... especially at the beginning of a new season, with brand new shows that are trying to get viewers and ratings and ad buyers, with all primetime in HD so there's really no excuse.

Just inexcusable.

Just unbelievable.

Must be the same rocket scientists in charge who've adjusted their audio levels so low and think that's good.

[freq019]

fixed now at the 45min mark good work nbc

[YogiYahooeys]

I agree. It's unbelievable how badly NBC is screwing up their very own programming. Last week's debut episode was marred badly by, of all things, the voice track (and the voice track only) being missing from the first 10 minutes or so of Heroes and now in the second episode they are unable to broadcast in HD for more than 10 minutes...

Pathetic...

YY

[Roly935]

no complaints here on OTA in Miami. PQ was fine and so was the audio.

[vertigo235]

No problems here in Charlotte on WCNC

[nuttyinnyc]

Yeah, I am in DC too, total audio sync issues and SD. Been that way since the start of the show. Tried both OTA and DISH HD Locals. Same deal.
Worked fine in NYC

[Couch Patato]

I was just fine here in Denver too.

[holyc0w]

This show looks beautiful in HD. No problems with Comcast in MI.

[nuttyinnyc]

Heroes, Episode one on USA right now Watch if you missed any or all of the Pilot. Enjoy!
No HD here though, but it stil looks good an my TV

[talbain]

great episode once again. this show has me hooked hard...

[drsimnal]

No problems OTA in Indy, but man that ep freaked me out. I'm not into serial killers victims. And the Nevada chick is seriously messed up.

[Kevin12586]

I liked tonights episode, I see that Hiro is definitely going to be the funniest person on the show. It was weird to see that he had jumped into the future and saw what was about to happen.

I have the most questions about the girl with the friend in the mirror, obviously they don't need to be in the same room for her to do things. What about her changing clothes in the car while she was watching the video camera, or how she was at a light then the next thing you know she is at the airport?

All in all another good episode. :)

[TommyK]

I was just fine here in Denver too.
Good to hear. Just getting off work and heading home to watch it. Some of these posts had me worried I was heading home to disappointment.

[vertigo235]

I liked tonights episode, I see that Hiro is definitely going to be the funniest person on the show. It was weird to see that he had jumped into the future and saw what was about to happen.

I have the most questions about the girl with the friend in the mirror, obviously they don't need to be in the same room for her to do things. What about her changing clothes in the car while she was watching the video camera, or how she was at a light then the next thing you know she is at the airport?

All in all another good episode. :)

The only thing I can think of is that she has multiple personalities, and during those gaps in time, she's becoming the other person.

First Gap, Kills the people

Second Gap, cleans the garage and puts them into the trunk

etc...

Although I'm not quite sure how that's a "power"

[gakon]

The only thing I can think of is that she has multiple personalities, and during those gaps in time, she's becoming the other person.During which gap did she go to Home Depot to get the new shovel and then leave it in the middle of the desert? Not that I have any theories of my own, of course.

I'm sure it was just my eyes playing tricks, but when Hiro passed by the story board in the artist's studio, did it say November 5? I know it "really" was November 8 (according to the cops and the paper). I deleted it off my DVR before going back to check.

It appears that the writers have planned things out a few weeks in advance, and that there could be an "end" to this story arc before reruns start. I hope, if the series does well, that they are able to wrap things up reasonably well at the end of the season.

[vertigo235]

During which gap did she go to Home Depot to get the new shovel and then leave it in the middle of the desert? Not that I have any theories of my own, of course.

I'm sure it was just my eyes playing tricks, but when Hiro passed by the story board in the artist's studio, did it say November 5? I know it "really" was November 8 (according to the cops and the paper). I deleted it off my DVR before going back to check.

Good point about the shovel, I wasn't quite sure how she got the people in the trunk in broad day light either.

I think it said November 8th, I paused it and checked it out. I'll go back and check it out again later.

[sandiegojoe]

During which gap did she go to Home Depot to get the new shovel and then leave it in the middle of the desert? Not that I have any theories of my own, of course.
.

She left the shovel there a long time ago when she buried the other body. (the rotted skull she found.)

She's been doing this for a while evidently.

Kind of a Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde thing. Definitely some sort of super power if she's ripping people in half.

What I want to know is what the crazy killer version of her looks like....

[rebkell]

Good point about the shovel, I wasn't quite sure how she got the people in the trunk in broad day light either.

I think it said November 8th, I paused it and checked it out. I'll go back and check it out again later.

It definitely said Nov. 8th.

[talbain]

She left the shovel there a long time ago when she buried the other body. (the rotted skull she found.)

She's been doing this for a while evidently.

Kind of a Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde thing. Definitely some sort of super power if she's ripping people in half.

What I want to know is what the crazy killer version of her looks like....


don't be surprised if she ends up being a super villain of sorts. she's got this dual personality where the one side of her is this naive stupid girl, and the other, dark side of her is this supernatural killing machine. she didn't just kill those guys, she tore them apart. also, notice the wry, satisfied smile the "mirror self" gives. it's like she takes pleasure in doing it. and she's been doing it for a loooong time, based on the condition of that body in the pit. i wouldn't be surprised in the least if it ends up being her kid's dad, this "DL" she keeps referring to.

i'm also intrigued by this syler villain. so he can freeze people, levitate them in the air (or at least has super strength) and can chop a person's skull cap clean off. what is he doing with the brains?

[archiguy]

First Gap, Kills the people

Second Gap, cleans the garage and puts them into the trunk


Looks like extreme vigilante justice. She's a female version of "Dexter". :eek:

[trbarry]

She left the shovel there a long time ago when she buried the other body. (the rotted skull she found.)

She's been doing this for a while evidently.

Kind of a Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde thing. Definitely some sort of super power if she's ripping people in half.

What I want to know is what the crazy killer version of her looks like....

She probably looks the same, except she smirks a lot. Like the girl in the mirror.

I like this show.

-Tom

[freq019]

Aside from the techincal woes I experienced last night, I think the show is trying to do too much. There are too many characters and when the episode is over, I didn't really think it went anywhere from the end of the previous episode.

[nashvillecat]

Love the show (wife doesnt).

Very neat how another character (er, hero), is introduced (the cop).

Im hooked!

[ckenisell]

Aside from the techincal woes I experienced last night, I think the show is trying to do too much. There are too many characters and when the episode is over, I didn't really think it went anywhere from the end of the previous episode.
You have to give it some time. We're still in the discovery phase. I, for one, am tired of shows that get resolved week after week (see CSI, CSI Miami, CSI NY, L&O, L&O SUV, L&O CI). It looks like Heroes might be going for a "set 'em up. Knock 'em down." approach.

The time travel teleporting guy is fun. How is he going to stop his explosion? How if he going to stop the comic book/painter artist guy from getting his skull chopped off and brains taken?

Interesting that the cheerleaders dad now knows she's got powers.

To top it off, this show leads into Studio 60. Since I don't really give a rip about Monday Night Football on ESPN, NBC is giving me something to do on Mon. nights. :)

[Iteki]

She left the shovel there a long time ago when she buried the other body. (the rotted skull she found.)

She's been doing this for a while evidently.

Kind of a Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde thing. Definitely some sort of super power if she's ripping people in half.

What I want to know is what the crazy killer version of her looks like....

I'm guessing the other body is that ex-boyfriend of hers that she said was 'on the run from the cops'. Apparently not :-)

[Iteki]

Love the show (wife doesnt).

Very neat how another character (er, hero), is introduced (the cop).

Im hooked!

Yeah, then he gets busted by Clea Duvall of all people. Not buying her as a detective, although I've like her in many of her other roles.

Now if the guy can read minds you'd think he could cheat off the other guys taking the test :-) Sit next to the smartest guy in the room and voila!

[ckenisell]

I agree. It's unbelievable how badly NBC is screwing up their very own programming. Last week's debut episode was marred badly by, of all things, the voice track (and the voice track only) being missing from the first 10 minutes or so of Heroes and now in the second episode they are unable to broadcast in HD for more than 10 minutes...

Pathetic...

YY

YY, I believe this was a local issue. If I were you, I'd complain to NBC (the network). NOT your local affiliate. The more complaints NBC gets regarding their local affiliates, the more their local affiliates get spanked from NBC.

NBC has put a LOT of money into producing these shows in HD. It's not right that the local affiliates screw this up week after week. It could ruin this new series for a lot of viewers and NBC needs to be made aware of it.

Having said that, my local affiliate has been doing an excellent job showing prime time in HD. Let me go knock on wood. :D

[ckenisell]

Yeah, then he gets busted by Clea Duvall of all people. Not buying her as a detective, although I've like her in many of her other roles.

Yeah, she was fantastic in Carnivale.

Now if the guy can read minds you'd think he could cheat off the other guys taking the test :-) Sit next to the smartest guy in the room and voila!

Good point. But I think he's just now realizing his power. He looked really confused when he first started hearing the little girl in the closet under the stairs. I'm not sure if he was confused because he wasn't sure where she was or if he was confused because he was not used to hearing things like that. :confused:

[Roger Lococco]

the other cop was Stacy Haiduk,Lana Lang from the old Superboy series from the late '80s.

[nashvillecat]

Oh, heck, I gotta mention it here. This goes back to my childhood.

Yanno the girl who walks through fire? Well, I always wondered...she is special, and not her clothes. How come her clothes dont burn?

:p

[HDNair]

A glitch prevented my DVR from recording it properly, so I can't comment on any picture or sound quality issues as I just watched a downloaded version, but I thought it was a decent episode. I'm looking forward to seeing where it is headed.

I'm glad there is an Indian character on the show who isn't a quickie mart clerk with an exagerrated accent, but the actor and his budding love interest aren't very good actors, unfortunately.

With regards to the girl with the double, I tend to agree that it could be a case of split personality. A supernatural doppleganger who kills people is one thing, but one who goes out and buys cars and leaves shovels out in the middle of nowhere? I wonder if there is some reason why the task of burying the bodies was left to the "good" half for some reason, or it was just sloppy writing.

[trbarry]

I wondered a bit how, if you are hiding buried bodies, you would leave a shovel sticking up visible from the road. ;)

- Tom

[ncxcstud]

i'm also intrigued by this syler villain. so he can freeze people, levitate them in the air (or at least has super strength) and can chop a person's skull cap clean off. what is he doing with the brains?

Would he be like a 'super super villain'? Where he retains the abilities of other 'heroes' by consuming their brains? Kind of like Rogue from X-Men but much more visceral...he just seems to have too many powers (it seems) to be a super hero/villian without being hokey.

But, if his power is indeed taking on the abilities and knowledge of his victims...he could be even more dangerous...



The actor who plays the indian scientist isnt that bad, but the girl who plays a possible 'future love interest' is just downright horrible...though she does look like Tweener's (from Prison Break) love interest in Utah...

I'm really liking the show, it's got a lot of good twists to it. My wife and I both love super hero stuff, even though neither of us really enjoyed comic books all that much...(getting X-Men3 today, lol). We both thought the twist that Hiro doesn't actually teleport but can stop and slow time to be a neat twist... "No, no...today is October Two....october two!"

I'm trying to figure out who the main character is though...there are so many...they need to come together in order to form a justice league or something.

Also, if this series starts resorting to flamboyantly costumed characters, I think it's going to lose a lot of people. I really like how these are 'normal' people...everyday joe's with special powers...it's a neat premise.

Can't wait till next week :)

[freq019]

You have to give it some time. We're still in the discovery phase. I, for one, am tired of shows that get resolved week after week (see CSI, CSI Miami, CSI NY, L&O, L&O SUV, L&O CI). It looks like Heroes might be going for a "set 'em up. Knock 'em down." approach.

The time travel teleporting guy is fun. How is he going to stop his explosion? How if he going to stop the comic book/painter artist guy from getting his skull chopped off and brains taken?

Interesting that the cheerleaders dad now knows she's got powers.

To top it off, this show leads into Studio 60. Since I don't really give a rip about Monday Night Football on ESPN, NBC is giving me something to do on Mon. nights. :)

I didn't expect it to be wrapped up in one episode but I would like to see maybe less characters each episode and to go further into their story. Right now they are trying to introduce too many characters and the whole show suffers IMO because you can only do so much in one hour. 6 characters in a 42min show only leaves on average of 7 minutes per character. I'll give it some time but those are my complaints right now

[DSperber]

I have a bad feeling here... that we might be witnessing another "Surface" and/or "Threshold".

I thought the pilot episode last week was much more intriguing (and adult) than this week's followup. Some bad acting and over-acting crept in indicative of a shortage of ideas in the writer's room (when they can't think of something brilliant to have a character say), along with a marked slowdown in plot intrigue, development and excitement.

I know this is only the 2nd week, and I shouldn't jump to any conclusions yet, but my enthusiasm for the show has fallen off markedly. If Hiro sees the future via his time/space teleportation (as was already painted by Isaac), and the future explosion he saw is 5 weeks ahead of where he last was, and he now goes back to where he originally started with this knowledge of the future disaster, does that mean the entire season will occupy 5 weeks in time (so that he can somehow save the world, or at least NY, by changing something during those 5 weeks so that the future explosion does not occur)?

I'm not complaining about the complexity here (which always comes into good SciFi dealing with time travel)... I'm just afraid it's already giving clues that it might be dealt with in a bit of a juvenile way, rather than a super-clever adult way.

The whole cheerleader family thing, with evil "Clark Kent" the father... who knows something important that we haven't learned yet... oooohhh, I'm scared!

I'll give it one more week. That's lots more than the 25 minutes I gave "Shark".

[Iteki]

With regards to the girl with the double, I tend to agree that it could be a case of split personality. A supernatural doppleganger who kills people is one thing, but one who goes out and buys cars and leaves shovels out in the middle of nowhere? I wonder if there is some reason why the task of burying the bodies was left to the "good" half for some reason, or it was just sloppy writing.


I think the 'bad' persona is introducing herself to the 'good' persona. She's leaving her breadcrumbs to follow to find out what has been going on during her lost time. Is she trying to come to a compromise, or is she trying to take over?

[Revolver]

We both thought the twist that Hiro doesn't actually teleport but can stop and slow time to be a neat twist... "No, no...today is October Two....october two!"
Yeah, I liked the fact the show was actually airing on October 2nd when he was saying that. :D

Did anyone else cath the stylised 'f' symbol throughout the show? First I saw it was at the artist studio on a bunch of paintings when Hiro walked in. Then when the Indian scientist (don't remember the name) found his father's computer program (you see it as a pattern in the data stream). And finally in the pool of the backyard of the murdered family where the cop found the girl (symbol made by the pool vac and some floaty blocks).

[nuttyinnyc]

Yeah, then he gets busted by Clea Duvall of all people. Not buying her as a detective, although I've like her in many of her other roles.

Now if the guy can read minds you'd think he could cheat off the other guys taking the test :-) Sit next to the smartest guy in the room and voila!

Rememeber, the story line is most people discover their powers around the time of the Eclipse. So he couldn't have cheated before because he didn't know he had the powers.

Asian guy went into the future to November (sweeps month)so he isn't on the same time line as the rest of the story, explains explosion right after his arrest(which is suppose to happen in the future). Also how could the killer be in NY and LA at the same time. So they have a story line already built in until the sweeps period. He will have to go back to the time of the eclipse to stop NYC from going bang in November. At least this is what I got from last nights episode.

I wish it was with limited interruptions again it seemed like a break every 10 minutes. They made up for the lack of comercials last week. Normal rule is usually 5 breaks during the hr it seemed like 6 or 7. Anyone DVR it? Let me know if it was just that good that the commercials were a distraction or if there was a lot of commercial breaks.

[ckenisell]

nuttyinnyc,

The commercials were often. Sometimes too often. Studio 60 was pitiful too. I had to hold the DVR remote. I couldn't put it down. I couldn't watch TV anymore without my DVR.

[AnthemAZ.HDTV]

Did anyone else cath the stylised 'f' symbol throughout the show? First I saw it was at the artist studio on a bunch of paintings when Hiro walked in. Then when the Indian scientist (don't remember the name) found his father's computer program (you see it as a pattern in the data stream). And finally in the pool of the backyard of the murdered family where the cop found the girl (symbol made by the pool vac and some floaty blocks).
Yep - I noticed the symbol too. I have the episode recorded and I'll post some screen caps later tonight.

[kpoon]

I liked tonights episode, I see that Hiro is definitely going to be the funniest person on the show.

hiro is a hero, lol. or should i say, superhiro?

[talbain]

Yeah, I liked the fact the show was actually airing on October 2nd when he was saying that. :D

Did anyone else cath the stylised 'f' symbol throughout the show? First I saw it was at the artist studio on a bunch of paintings when Hiro walked in. Then when the Indian scientist (don't remember the name) found his father's computer program (you see it as a pattern in the data stream). And finally in the pool of the backyard of the murdered family where the cop found the girl (symbol made by the pool vac and some floaty blocks).


yeah, i noticed that symbol too. it was also in the top right corner of that sketch the flying guy drew in the hospital...

[bongohawk]

I liked tonights episode, I see that Hiro is definitely going to be the funniest person on the show. It was weird to see that he had jumped into the future and saw what was about to happen.

I have the most questions about the girl with the friend in the mirror, obviously they don't need to be in the same room for her to do things. What about her changing clothes in the car while she was watching the video camera, or how she was at a light then the next thing you know she is at the airport?

All in all another good episode. :)

I noticed that the girl with the friend in the mirror, Niki Sanders, was wearing a white top and then after she viewed the video tape with static, then she was wearing a red top and then at the airport. I am guessing this is how we can tell which person Niki is.

[CPanther95]

She was only wearing the red top because at some point during the 4 hours of "clean-up" she changed out of the bloody top.

[EricRobins]

yeah, i noticed that symbol too. it was also in the top right corner of that sketch the flying guy drew in the hospital...

And I remember seeing it through the listing of nucleotides in the DNA that the professor's son found on the "portable hard drive."

[Steve Schauer]

.
Also, if this series starts resorting to flamboyantly costumed characters, I think it's going to lose a lot of people.
.
I'm OK with it.
http://www.keele.ac.uk/socs/ks02/next/mystery/mm2.jpg

[Neuner]

Did anyone record Episode 2 in HD? My FusionHDTV card recorded the wrong subchannel last night & I'm pissed! I'd love to be able to see it - Please PM me if you can help.....

[Kevin12586]

Did anyone record Episode 2 in HD? My FusionHDTV card recorded the wrong subchannel last night & I'm pissed! I'd love to be able to see it - Please PM me if you can help.....


If you go to NBC.com, you can watch the episode there, I would expect they have the HD version as well.

[fredfa]

(From Marc Berman’s Tuesday, October 3, 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )

"...week two of NBC’s competing Heroes lived up to its title. Heroes averaged a comfortable 9.4/14 in the overnights (#2), 12.57 million viewers (#2) and a first-place 5.3/13 among adults 18-49, building from lead-in Deal or No Deal by a hefty 43 percent among adults 18-49. Retention for Heroes from its week-ago premiere (Overnights: #1, 9.7/14; Viewers: #1, 14.10 million; A18-49: 31, 5.9/14 on Sept. 25) was also solid at 97 percent in the overnights, 89 percent in total viewers and 90 percent among adults 18-49….”

• Source: Nielsen Media Research data

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

[Neuner]

If you go to NBC.com, you can watch the episode there, I would expect they have the HD version as well.

Thanks, but I checked the website last night and you can only view it online in a very rough format. I saw pieces of the episode on my 4:3 SD tv upstairs while playing with my little girls and trying to get them ready for bed, but I want to watch it in HD in my HomeTheater.

Tried again, but they said it's not available any more and it's not in HD :(

[Couch Patato]

You'll have to settle for SD on Fri. at 3:00 PM EST. Scifi channel.

[vertigo235]

It definitely said Nov. 8th.

yup

http://www.lnyc.org/heroes01.jpg

[gakon]

Yanno the girl who walks through fire? Well, I always wondered...she is special, and not her clothes. How come her clothes dont burn? If you go back and watch, her clothes were on fire when she came out of the train. Just enough to see, not enough for her to lose her outfit (yes, that may be what some people want, but NBC isn't going to oblige).

Thanks for the verification on the date in the cartoon. I was pretty sure they were consistent, just had no way to check.

And the swoopy symbol is interesting - they didn't make it ridiculously obvious, but it was in at least four scenes (pool, computer screen, doodle, and painting).

[vertigo235]

Oh here is the "S"

http://www.lnyc.org/heroes02.jpg

http://www.lnyc.org/heroes03.jpg

[flint350]

While I agree that the new "hero" cop was nicely introduced and the cliffhanger NYC blast scheduled for Nov 8 was also intriguing - I was also somewhat less enthused overall with this episode. It was a bit of a let down from the first. Maybe I was just expecting too much or they or still in exposition mode, trying to explain/introduce all (a few too many?) characters and story-lines. Still well worth hanging on for the time being though.

[Neuner]

How are the other 'S' or 'f' symbols displayed? I wonder if it is being shown upside down, mirrored or sideways from what it really is.

Mirror it, overlap the 2 pieces and it becomes a funky '8'. I'll be looking into this thing way too much... :rolleyes:

[Wytchone]

yeah, i noticed that symbol too. it was also in the top right corner of that sketch the flying guy drew in the hospital...

I also saw it in the data stream on the flash drive.
Friend saw it on a clock round Hiro.

[Emaych]

On that symbol, no one mentioned the floating coil of lane guides in the pool scene. It was complete with little plastic extrusions to form the crossbars which make it look like a stylized/italicized "F."

[DaveFi]

So could we say Hiro is the most powerfull of the "Heroes"? Certainly the ability to bend space+time outweighs anything else.

[Emaych]

So could we say Hiro is the most powerfull of the "Heroes"? Certainly the ability to bend space+time outweighs anything else.
Well, but as far we know he is not invulnerable -- if he is suddenly killed, that would be the end of that...unless he could tell the future, or be able to borrow the girl's invulnerability........I think we will find that eachof these "Heroes" has a role to play as their lives migrate toward confluence.

[rebkell]

Did anybody notice, when Hiro stopped at the newstand, that there was a Headline from the New York Chronicle, Early Edition, that had "Petrelli Wins in Landslide". I think that would fit the timeline also of Nov. 8th.

[hongcho]

A few random stuff...

Suresh's neighbor girl... I just couldn't help but feel that she would turn out to be a mole. Get friendly with Suresh with the plummer incident and keep an eye on his progress so that Syler (sp?) can get to the new discoveries first. Papa Suresh probably found something out which got him killed.

Noticed that the lizzard (?) 's name was "Mohinder", Suresh's name.

So, now that Syler knows Claire's power, does it mean that he would freeze her and eat her brain?

Hong.

[vertigo235]

Why are you assuming that Syler is Claire's dad? Did I miss something?

[vertigo235]

So could we say Hiro is the most powerfull of the "Heroes"? Certainly the ability to bend space+time outweighs anything else.

I was thinking about this, certainly he has to have some limitations. I just hope it doesn't get cheesy like Johnny Smith's deadzone power, where it only shows whatever is important to the writers desire to advance the plot.

[ncxcstud]

I don't think Siler/Syler (off-topic, which is funny...my wife and my cat's name is Siler...never heard the name before the cat...now it's a villain on a TV show ;)) is Claire's dad...

I think he may be a 'secret henchman' possibly either working for Siler or working to capture Siler..., but who has an extreme prejudice towards those who have special powers because of 'jealousy' or from the fact that he doesn't want them to become the next siler...


Here's a thought...any chance that Siler could be the dual personality girl's alter-ego? That would be a huge case of Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde right there...though from the 3 deaths (two we know of, one attributed) to duality girl...they don't match up with the possible 3 that Siler supposedly has committed...lopped off heads and no brains...vs....totally mangled bodies...

[HDNair]

Suresh's neighbor girl... I just couldn't help but feel that she would turn out to be a mole. Get friendly with Suresh with the plummer incident and keep an eye on his progress so that Syler (sp?) can get to the new discoveries first. Papa Suresh probably found something out which got him killed.


That would be a more interesting angle than the love interest thing they seem headed towards. It would also explain the bad acting. :D

[JimsArcade]

Here's a thought...any chance that Siler could be the dual personality girl's alter-ego? That would be a huge case of Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde right there...though from the 3 deaths (two we know of, one attributed) to duality girl...they don't match up with the possible 3 that Siler supposedly has committed...lopped off heads and no brains...vs....totally mangled bodies... That thought crossed my mind. We don't know what this alter-ego's voice sounds like (if it even has one), so the message on the answering machine could be misleading.

It seems like a real stretch, though.

[rezzy]

Suresh's neighbor girl... I just couldn't help but feel that she would turn out to be a mole. Get friendly with Suresh with the plummer incident and keep an eye on his progress so that Syler (sp?) can get to the new discoveries first. Papa Suresh probably found something out which got him killed.Same thing crossed my mind. I didn't think she was convincing upon learning of his death. Or could it have been bad acting?

[Kib]

I noticed on that screencap of the thumbdrive display that all the letters are either "A" "T" "C" or "G"

Same as DNA sequence base labels.......

[JoeInNVa]

At first sight, this show is a total rip-off of all the great shows that are currently on the air...they clearly took the global cast characteristic of "Lost" (not a bunch of white people) and while the show isn't really like Lost, there are some other major similarities that just can't go un-noticed. They also basically stole the plot from The 4400...I mean its almost down right theft.

With ALL THAT SAID, I still found the show incredibly entertaining....it has a very decent, mixed cast which seem to mesh together well. The writing is decent, nothing great like BSG or Studio 60, but it seemed to work. I think the thing that draws me most to the show though, is that I am interested in the characters...unlike Jericho where I couldn't care less. At the end of the premiere, I was left wondering, "who are these people? And how are they going to come to terms with these new powers and abilities?" I also question where this show is going...will it be a straight-up comic book type X-Men show, or more like the 4400.

I'll be around for another few episodes to see where it goes....its my type of show, but I honestly don't know if I can take another 4400

It's more closely resembles the comics, Rising Stars written by J. Michael Straczynski (http://www.worldsofjms.com/rs/index.htm) Which was out before the 4400.

Either way, I am loving the series so far.

[DaveFi]

Yeah, Rising Stars was cool, but it was unfortunate it was never completed, much like many of Mr. Straczynski's projects.:(