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Kipp Jones 02-23-07, 11:42 PM You amuse me Kipp...do you intend to continue with your anit-hype campaign with the release of each new projector that gains interest? :rolleyes:
I guess what I find more interesting is the fact that your current pj, if I'm not mistaken, is the object of the last go round of the hype machine...perhaps you should just enjoy your pj and avoid the forum. ;)
Actually I am the one who is amused. ;) ;) ;) No anti-hype campaign, just the fact that many here purchase based on the hype and end up not too happy some times instead of doing their own homework.
Me, I go to CEDIA and check things out for myself and buy what is best for me. I already enjoyed a movie in my HT tonight with my family. I am a very very happy man. All my recent effort did is remind people that these flurries of excitement come in waves. We can only guess what is next??? Enjoy. :D :D :D
Jmouse007 03-02-07, 06:17 AM I know that screen shots do not tell the whole story, however, after carefully examining the photos on the AVS review of the JVC RS1 with those of the Pearl; side by side, blow up, detail etc… I have to say that in my humble opinion, the Sony Pearl screen shots from the AVS review and the projector reviews actually look sharper more detailed and brighter with more “pop” than the RS1. You can compare them for yourselves and come to your own conclusions:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=812816
http://www.avscience.com/reviews/projector_sony_vplvw50.htm
http://www.projectorreviews.com/sony/VW50Pearl/imagequality.asp
http://www.projectorreviews.com/Images-projectors-Q1-07/Sony_VW-50_PhantomStarLarge.jpg
http://www.avscience.com/images/review_pictures/sony_vplvw50/sony_vplvw50_phantom5_1280x960.jpg
http://www.projectorreviews.com/Images-projectors-Q1-07/Sony_VW-50_PhantomNightLarge.jpg
Brandon B 03-02-07, 07:36 AM More mouse droppings.
Dave Harper 03-02-07, 10:34 AM I know that screen shots do not tell the whole story, however, after carefully examining the photos on the AVS review of the JVC RS1 with those of the Pearl; side by side, blow up, detail etc… I have to say that in my humble opinion, the Sony Pearl screen shots from the AVS review and the projector reviews actually look sharper more detailed and brighter with more “pop” than the RS1. You can compare them for yourselves and come to your own conclusions:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=812816
http://www.avscience.com/reviews/projector_sony_vplvw50.htm
http://www.projectorreviews.com/sony/VW50Pearl/imagequality.asp
http://www.projectorreviews.com/Images-projectors-Q1-07/Sony_VW-50_PhantomStarLarge.jpg
http://www.avscience.com/images/review_pictures/sony_vplvw50/sony_vplvw50_phantom5_1280x960.jpg
http://www.projectorreviews.com/Images-projectors-Q1-07/Sony_VW-50_PhantomNightLarge.jpg
Jmouse007,
Please, please, please...NEVER use screen shots on a PC to EVER judge or do a comparison between display devices:mad:
They mean absolutely nothing compared to the real world images you can and do get from the display.
I certainly hope the reason for that posting is NOT because you own a Pearl and are trying to justify your purchase?
Technology marches on and you have to be satisfied with what you bought as being the best decision for you at the time of purchase, that's all, nothing more. Just don't bash the newer and better things that come out to make you feel good.:rolleyes:
I know that screen shots do not tell the whole story,.........
They tell none of the story to be honest with you.
Rob Tomlin 03-02-07, 11:40 AM More mouse droppings.
Great! Brandon just made be blow my coffee through my nose! :eek: :D
Jmouse007 03-02-07, 12:54 PM Jmouse007,
Please, please, please...NEVER use screen shots on a PC to EVER judge or do a comparison between display devices:mad:
They mean absolutely nothing compared to the real world images you can and do get from the display.
I certainly hope the reason for that posting is NOT because you own a Pearl and are trying to justify your purchase?
Technology marches on and you have to be satisfied with what you bought as being the best decision for you at the time of purchase, that's all, nothing more. Just don't bash the newer and better things that come out to make you feel good.:rolleyes:
I do not own a Pearl, neither am I trying to justify my purchase, all I did was make an observation based upon the information reviewers are providing..
I encouraged people to "check the screen shot photo's out for themselves". While I have no idea if the same cameras, screens etc... were used, I DO KNOW THIS: the photo's used in all of the reviews ARE being presented to the readers, by the reviewers (whomever they are) as a viable facsimile of what the reviewer is seeing and the potential buyer can expect, and these photos are promoted as examples of how good or bad the projectors are. All of a sudden, now that the PJ photo results that they themselves have presented as examples, when compared with one another may contradict the hoped for/desired hyped results regarding the RS1 as opposed to the VPL-VW50, all of a sudden we are hearing "don't compare," "you can't determine anything from photos." Screen shots are useless," "You need to see them for yourself," yadda, yadda, yadda.
Well, that is all well and good but the reality is hundreds of thousands of people visiting the AVS web site and reading the reviews have no way or access to said PJ's in order to perform a personal "A" - "B" comparison and thus are relying on the PJ"s reviewed and all of the information those reviews provide (INCLUDING SCREEN SHOTS) in order to make an informed buying decision that will cost them thousands of dollars.
All I did was give an opinion based upon the very screen shot information provided by reviewers and say "check it out for yourself". I stand by my observations regarding the two PJ's and encouragement for people to compare them for themselves and come to their own conclusions.
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Jmouse007 03-02-07, 01:03 PM More mouse droppings.
Ah yes, it is oh so easy and small minded to denegrate someone instead of honestly examining what they have to say when their conclusions do not agree with your preconceived conclusions.
I stand by my observations and conclusions for people to check the screen shots out for themselves. After honestly examining what I had to say and what the screen shots being presented by the reviewers as EXAMPLES seem to say for themselves, then get back to me with your denegrating remarks.
Rob Tomlin 03-02-07, 01:17 PM I stand by my observations and conclusions for people to check the screen shots out for themselves. After honestly examining what I had to say and what the screen shots being presented by the reviewers as EXAMPLES seem to say for themselves, then get back to me with your denegrating remarks.
So, what do you think the screenshots prove?
Dave Harper 03-02-07, 01:19 PM Why do you think you NEVER see screenshots from me:rolleyes:???
Jmouse007 03-02-07, 01:26 PM So, what do you think the screenshots prove?
I do not know what it proves, all I can say is what I observed and stated in my original post:
When the screen shots are compaired ...."in my humble opinion, the Sony Pearl screen shots from the AVS review and the projector reviews actually look sharper more detailed and brighter with more “pop” than the RS1"
Based upon the images provided by the reviewers, the Pearl picture appears to look sharper, more detailed and brighter with more screen "pop" than the picture thrown by the RS1.
Is this true? Without doing my own personal A - B test, I can not say, but based upon the information provided by reveiwers, at this point it appears to be. Again, check them out for yourself.
Rob Tomlin 03-02-07, 01:30 PM .... Again, check them out for yourself.
I already did. And I already told you that I agree with you that the Pearl screenshots look better than the RS1 screenshots.
Again, I ask you, what do you think this proves?
The vast majority of people who have seen the Pearl and the RS1 IN PERSON prefer the image of the RS1. What do you think has more weight?
Jmouse007 03-02-07, 02:30 PM I already did. And I already told you that I agree with you that the Pearl screenshots look better than the RS1 screenshots.
Again, I ask you, what do you think this proves?
The vast majority of people who have seen the Pearl and the RS1 IN PERSON prefer the image of the RS1. What do you think has more weight?
I don't know what it proves, it was an observation. As to what carries more weight, I can not answer it because "people" are not professionals, reviewing this stuff for a living and their opinions are subjective, and their motives can not be determined by you or me. That said; the screen shots are being presented by reviewers as an example of what a buyer can expect. Based upon that criteria, one PJ seems better than the other.
Rob Tomlin 03-02-07, 03:27 PM ....That said; the screen shots are being presented by reviewers as an example of what a buyer can expect. Based upon that criteria, one PJ seems better than the other.
If you really believe that the screen shots are being presented by reviewers as an example of what a buyer can expect, I would submit to you that you are just plain wrong.
If you don't believe me, you can go to the horse's mouth, so to speak, and ask Jason.
I don't know what it proves, it was an observation. As to what carries more weight, I can not answer it because "people" are not professionals, reviewing this stuff for a living and their opinions are subjective, and their motives can not be determined by you or me. That said; the screen shots are being presented by reviewers as an example of what a buyer can expect. Based upon that criteria, one PJ seems better than the other.
So you think screenshots *might* carry more weight than actual viewer impressions by real life humans who have seen both "in the real world" with their own eyes? Are you kidding me? Seriously...
You know Jason HIMSELF has said the JVC is a bit better than the Pearl...so that somehow gets thrown out the window in your mind because of screenshots?
Funniest thing I have read in months.
Everyone who says the JVC is better than the Pearl (which by my count seems to be everyone who have viewed both) must be lying because screenshots taken by different people with different cameras in different rooms under different conditions and with different sources may say otherwise. Gotcha
:rolleyes:
Rob Tomlin 03-02-07, 05:35 PM The funniest thing is that he is using JASON's screen shots as part of the comparison, and Jason has already said 1) the screen shots are NOT an accurate representation of what he sees and do NOT do the RS1 PQ justice 2) he prefers the PQ of the RS1 over the Pearl.
But since those screen shots do not look as good as the ones of the Pearl, the Pearl must have better PQ.
scottyb 03-02-07, 05:46 PM Enough already.
Craig Peer 03-02-07, 06:09 PM I'm not sure with my digital point and shoot Canon that I could take a very good screen shot to begin with. And as a result, I could make an Optoma H31 look better than my dVision!! :eek:
Rob Tomlin 03-02-07, 06:16 PM I'm not sure with my digital point and shoot Canon that I could take a very good screen shot to begin with. And as a result, I could make an Optoma H31 look better than my dVision!! :eek:
Did Craig just mention the Optoma H31 and the dVision in the same sentence?!?!? :eek:
:D
HoustonHoyaFan 03-02-07, 06:39 PM Enough already.
Agreed! It is bad form to come into an Owner/Product Thread and s*** all over the Product.
Rob Tomlin 03-02-07, 07:16 PM Agreed! It is bad form to come into an Owner/Product Thread and s*** all over the Product.
Who did that? :confused:
Is it not also bad form to post the exact same post and screen shots in numerous different threads?
Craig Peer 03-02-07, 07:45 PM Is it not also bad form to post the exact same post and screen shots in numerous different threads?
It's a bit like carpet bombing people with ones opinion. And it is annoying.
scottyb 03-02-07, 08:40 PM carpet bombing
Sounds like something our dog does:) :)
So lets just through out all of our new Pearls in the garbage, Because they suck so badly.
HoustonHoyaFan 03-02-07, 11:36 PM Is it not also bad form to post the exact same post and screen shots in numerous different threads?
Whatever trouble JMouse is trying to stir up, he has succeeded.
I guess I have a lot more respect for you, so you get held to a much higher standard :D
I assume you ar not going to want a bunch of people comming into an Official RS1 thread explaining how their projector x is so much better than an RS1.
shodoug 03-02-07, 11:56 PM Whatever trouble JMouse is trying to stir up, he has succeeded.
I guess I have a lot more respect for you, so you get held to a much higher standard :D
I assume you ar not going to want a bunch of people comming into an Official RS1 thread explaining how their projector x is so much better than an RS1.
wrestle with a pig...
You get dirty and the pig has fun.
I had not added anyone to the ignore list in a long time. (until Jmouse )
Oh well. Start the count again.
Anyone who has been here a while knows that screen pics are fun, but you can't go by them.
Let it go. Be happy. :)
Doug
Rob Tomlin 03-02-07, 11:58 PM Whatever trouble JMouse is trying to stir up, he has succeeded.
I guess I have a lot more respect for you, so you get held to a much higher standard :D
I assume you ar not going to want a bunch of people comming into an Official RS1 thread explaining how their projector x is so much better than an RS1.
You know I have respect for you as well, and I agree with you about being held to a "higher standard".
I have reviewed my posts, and I think the only mistake that I have made was going on and continuing to respond to JMouse in a Pearl thread.
That said, I never once gave a personal opinion on whether the RS1 was better than the Pearl. How could I, in light of the fact that I have never seen the RS1? The only point that I was trying to make was that the alleged "evidence" that JMouse was offering was contradicting what he was trying to prove (using screenshots from Jason when Jason himself has indicated they are not representative and he has a slight preference for the PQ of the RS1).
To say, or imply, that I came into this thread to explain "how their projector x is so much better" than the Pearl is inaccurate portrayal of the point I was trying to make....which involved the ludicrous idea that screenshots proved the Pearl was better than the RS1. The point isn't whether or not that statement is even true......it is the "evidence" used to support that notion.
The only reason I even knew that JMouse was posting this same nonsense in numerous threads was because he did it in both a couple of RS1 threads, and this one. I was subscribed to this thread long ago (you can go back and see some posts from me many months ago).
Again, my mistake was continuing to debate the issue with him in this thread. But I don't regret anything that I have actually said.
HoustonHoyaFan 03-03-07, 12:06 AM .. But I don't regret anything that I have actually said.
In all honesty my comments were not directed at you, or any poster in particular. I myself responded to JMouse before I found out that he had carpet posted in every thread he could find.
Rob Tomlin 03-03-07, 12:13 AM In all honesty my comments were not directed at you, or any poster in particular. I myself responded to JMouse before I found out that he had carpet posted in every thread he could find.
No worries HHF.
I do understand the point you were making....and I do see that you could have been referring to other posters here. Gee, guess I shouldn't be so defensive. ;) Anyway, sorry for the intrusion. I'm all done here.
Kipp Jones 03-03-07, 03:00 AM Sounds like something our dog does:) :)
:) :) :)
blackbird 03-03-07, 09:10 AM How can we get the newest firmware for the pearl? The newest is
SC ROM Version 01.06
NVM-Version 01/01.03
Sub Rom-Version 01.02
It includes transparent menu.
http://www.itl-net.at/download/pearl_neu.jpg
http://www.itl-net.at/download/pearl_alt.jpg
Brandon B 03-03-07, 09:19 AM Ah yes, it is oh so easy and small minded to denegrate someone instead of honestly examining what they have to say when their conclusions do not agree with your preconceived conclusions.
When you paste the same post into at least 5 threads which takes an unsubstantiated view counter to what most of the knowledgable people on the forum are stating based on what is nearly unanimously recognized as meaningless evidence, it demonstrates that you are either:
1) ignorant of basic forum etiquette (a possibility given your low post count, maybe you are new to this)
2) trying to stir up crap.
I chose the explanation more likely in my experience after reaching the third thread with the same post in it. If you want to sincerely tell me you thought that was an appropriate way to make your point, or ask your question or whatever your intent was in thread bombing, then we can agree I unfairly denigrated you, and we can both apologize for our respective errors and move on.
Since you have failed to apologize anywhere I have seen yet for your posting tactics, nor acknowledged the point everyone has made that your comparison has no bearing on the actual products' performance though, I'm guessing I do not have an apology to make either.
BB
A/Vspec 03-03-07, 12:07 PM How do you bring up the firmware version of the Pearl?
Does the new firmware add a vertical stretch mode by chance?!!!
Dave Harper 03-04-07, 01:57 PM Hey Mark, long time no talk:)!!! Since the old TAW days:rolleyes:
Go to the Service menu using ENTER, ENTER, LEFT ARROW, ENTER then answer YES that you want to enter SM.
Vertical stretch mode huh? Sounds like you're in need of an anamorphic lens or you have one and need a scaler to do the stretch?
A/Vspec 03-04-07, 02:18 PM Hey Dave!
TAW.... THE ROCK... what a blast from the past... ;)
Yea, I have the UH380 fixed in place. I have a few pictures of the new theater setup on my website, www.digitalvortex.com
Currently I am using a Denon 1600 for SD DVD playback and use the Pearl to do the scaling.
For HD I use the Snazio HD player but I have to set it at 1280x1024 to get the vertical stretch I need from the Pearl.
Would like to get a BR or HD-DVD player but really would rather not have to purchase a scaler as it would have to do 24FPS, so it would be nice if Sony would add the VS option.
Dave Harper 03-07-07, 01:51 PM Very nice Mark:) I'll have to stop by when I'm in the area to check out the ole' "Digital Vortex" again!!!
What'd you do with that Rock?
A/Vspec 03-07-07, 06:58 PM Good question? I think I sold it... don't remember really.. old age.
I moved (5 miles north/east of old house) so email me and I will give you my new address and directions.
I have new theater seats on order and they should be arriving in the next 2 weeks and I am working on a new touch panel for control and hope to have it all finished by the end of the month but the theater is operational and I have been watching movies on the weekends.
A/Vspec 03-08-07, 07:41 PM Anymore updates on this firmware?
DVD MAN 06-12-07, 11:07 AM How can we get the newest firmware for the pearl? The newest is
SC ROM Version 01.06
NVM-Version 01/01.03
Sub Rom-Version 01.02
It includes transparent menu.
http://www.itl-net.at/download/pearl_neu.jpg
http://www.itl-net.at/download/pearl_alt.jpg
Does anyone know what the differences are between the two firmwares?
A/Vspec 06-13-07, 07:54 AM How about were we can get firmware updates??????
charles2006 06-13-07, 09:16 AM Hello,
I had the opportunity to compare directly the PERL and RS1 in real time from the same source on two 10 foot wide 16x9 screens.
Here is my story..and my results...
But first a little background...to show YES I freely admit I am biased in this review since I personally own a Sony Perl....but here it is...
Since my company has a client in Japan, I was recently sent to Japan for business, I had the chance to visit a high-end Home theater shop in Akihabara, well the results are as follows:
I entered a VERY large and VERY DARK room that had practically EVERY available 1080p projector now being sold that I know of. This room also had identical twin 10 foot wide 16x9 1.8 gain screens.
The store provided a REAL-TIME simultaneous display to BOTH projectos from the SAME source feed.
We started out with the following:
On the left projector -- A Sony VPL 50 PERL with less then 25 hours on the bulb.
On the right projector -- A JVC HD-1 (the RS-1 in japan) also with less 25 hours on the bulb.
As noted above twin screens -- both EXACT same model, EXACT same size, EXACT same gain.
We started out with HD content, from Blu-ray source:
First movie -- lemme sniket (SP?) anyways, the picture, it was immediatly apparent that the JVC is YES absolutly with no possible chance of error BRIGHTER of the two, it defiantly has more pop. There was no way anyone would not notice this. However...
Picture wise, well this is where I found some interesting points to argu (yes once again I will FULL admin I am biased, I ALREADY purchased my Perl) anyways, the image on the JVC wonderfull, the image on the SONY wonderfull, what are the differences?
Well for one thing, the JVC is more 'digtial like' that is the best way i can put it, the image is harder -- more pixilated not at natural as i found the Sony was. I personally like the film-like image of the sony, but then again is this contradictory to why we buy 1080p ...we want insane detail. Well BOTH images have insane detail, easily seen, I just found the image in the Sony to be more like i was in a movie theater, not watching a digital device...is this objectionable, i doubt it very much to many many people, i would not mind it myself if I had the JVC as the price point i obtained my sony at, but perhaps not...hard for me to say.
We then watched a second HD blu-ray source *why not HD-DVD you ask, becasue in Japan that is practically not existent!!* anyways, we watched a second blu-ray disk this time dream girls, excellent color, fabulous picture...once again what were the differences? well once again more film like in the sony, more digital-like in the JVC...is this bad? no...it is not i just found it more pleasant for me on the sony...both had excellent detail.
Next came color, what was it like, well the dealer made sure that BOTH units were professionally color calibrated and both looked astounding, however I and my associate both agreed that the sony had better color simply because the human flesh tones looked more natural there, but this could EASILY have been a color adjustment made to the JVC to match it, however once again i was assured that both were professionally calibrated. -- is this true...well based on what i was seeing NO, the color was definatly different between the two units.
Next we moved on to SD -- standard DVD...
we started out with Star-Wars Revenge of the sith -- well the image was nice, but the big notice was how BAD SD is when compared to GOOD HD!! wow the difference was incredible. I have HD-DVD at home and regularly use it on my plasma (my new home theater I am in the process of building so i have not offically seen my Sony project on my 235:-1 screen yet) but HD dvd looks much better then SD on my plasma but this comparison was really something to notice moving from HD to SD ..showed the diffference..wow.
anyways, how did they compare, well interesting enough almost exactly like they did with HD -- the JVC is brighter, the JVC is more digital like, and YES the JVC appears to be showing more detail But is it more detail? in my opinion (which counts for not much other then to myself) the image in the Sony once again felt more film-like, is this a good thing? well to my eyes yes. Their was NO blatant contrast difference anywhere i could see, from the blackness of space, to the edges around the exhaust ports of the starships battling at the begging of Revenge.
Next came the Lord of the rings -- return of the kind extended edition. I wanted this because at the begging of the movie there is alot of CLOSE up shots that show a lot of detail and the camera lingers there on the same shot for some time, this gave one alot of time to compare images between the two screens.
Well this did show alot of differences. The color one thing was much different, could this just be setup? i do not know since i did not setup the two projectors, once again i was assured this is professionally calibrated but i once again i found the sony to have the more natural color.
The picture was detailing all the marks on the cave walls, you could see the small cracks that are in the scene, comparing them between the two projectors, the JVC was more sharp the edges of the cave walls, and marking were more defined in the JVC less so in the Sony. Flesh tons once again -- the sony. I found smegal to appear much more human like, and the grass by the pond more natural -- but this could have been a simple adjustment change...so i do not hold alot of stock with this comparison.
The last movie we were able to see was of course The Fifth Element, the diva sequence. The amazing amount of color, and the balance between what is behind her and the 'planet' and the darkness of space....both units did an incredible job, both showed a spectacular picture, however the JVC once again brighter for sure, more pop for sure, more digital for sure...
If i had to buy my projector all over again, i would strongly consider the JVC -- i like the brighter picture however, i still find the sony very acceptable and the more-film-like- appearance at least to my eyes is not objectionable, i actually prefer it. is this the softness some people speak off...well i would have to say YES it must be -- is it apparent in a direct comparison in realtime to the JVC definitely. Is it objectionable...i think that is up to the viewer preferences.
So based on my limited time with both in this environment, to settle some arguments i have been reading here and there, i would say both projectors are excellent in japan the JVC carries a significant preimum on price so is it worth the more money, yes and no, depends on once perspective. I thought both are excellent, but for my money i choose 'i have admited i did in advance' the sony for this reason and others.
thank you for reading...
Charles
funlvr1965 06-13-07, 09:26 AM great review Charles thanks for taking the time I had the RS1 and although It had its good points it just wasnt working for me, im looking possibly at getting a pearl, I do agree with you that the blacks on both machines are not as far apart as people make them out to be, I had a ruby and the blacks looked the same way as they did when I had the RS1.
I've also compared JVC to Pearl and I too own a Pearl.
Wondering if the JVC was defocussed a bit if it would look more filmlike like the Pearl? JVC absolutely has the better sharper lens. But I saw the full res detail on test patterns even on the Pearl.
I was very glad I bought my Pearl before I looked, since otherwise I'd have trouble deciding what to get.
In the comaprison I did brightness wasn't an issue since both were set to match. The major JVC difference was in the lack of Iris effects( ie no brightness compression), and more detail in the very dark parts of some scenes like the caves in the Planet Earth blu-ray.
So I would say in most ways with brightness matched, the picture was almost identical on each projector. But JVC had the edge in dark areas. And of course it was brighter on the JVC if you needed more.
But I had to balance that against the Pearl lower cost and the power Zoom which I plan to use regularly with a cinemascope format screen. So I'm still very happy with the Pearl.
jrgriff 06-13-07, 10:18 AM great review Charles thanks for taking the time I had the RS1 and although It had its good points it just wasnt working for me, im looking possibly at getting a pearl, I do agree with you that the blacks on both machines are not as far apart as people make them out to be, I had a ruby and the blacks looked the same way as they did when I had the RS1.
Ditto Charles great review. I envy that you were able to view both units in a direct side-by-side comparison. That sure would help me make a decision. Right now the Pearl & RS1 are both at the top of my new FP list, and it appears that I may have to decide purely base on reviews (both pros & forums).
funlr1965-- I find it interesting that you were not totally happy with the RS1 and considering moving back to Sony products. Seems all RS1 owners feel that it is this years FP holy grail.
A/Vspec 06-13-07, 11:23 AM FWIW: For those who are jumping from the CRT FP camp, I think they are going to find the Pearl more to there liking.
Thanks for the comparison Charles. I have the pearl and agree with you it is detailed, yet, very CRT like.
mariner888 06-14-07, 01:17 AM Greetings to all.
Would be most grateful if someone could kindly post the EDID info.
Thanks.
MacFreibier 06-15-07, 07:56 AM Hi,
does anyone know if the Pearl accepts and is capable to display RGB Full Range on the HDMI ports?
Thanks...Christian
A/Vspec 06-15-07, 08:11 AM Hi,
does anyone know if the Pearl accepts and is capable to display RGB Full Range on the HDMI ports?
Thanks...Christian
I do know you can select RGB for the HDMI port in the menu and would hope it is full range.
MacFreibier 06-15-07, 09:06 AM I do know you can select RGB for the HDMI port in the menu and would hope it is full range.
My understanding is that the RGB setting within the menu is not for the HDMI connection but for the VGA connection.
billatlakegeorge 06-15-07, 10:15 AM For those who own the pearl is the power cord separate or built-in?
scottyb 06-15-07, 10:58 AM seperate
billatlakegeorge 06-15-07, 11:22 AM Thanks Scotty
Hello,
I had the opportunity to compare directly the PERL and RS1 in real time from the same source on two 10 foot wide 16x9 screens.
Here is my story..and my results...
Charles
Great comparison. Any idea how many hours were on the Sony and JVC bulbs? This could explain some of the brightness differences.
This review probably deserves its own separate thread.
Sick Puppy 06-15-07, 07:53 PM As stated in his post:
We started out with the following:
On the left projector -- A Sony VPL 50 PERL with less then 25 hours on the bulb.
On the right projector -- A JVC HD-1 (the RS-1 in japan) also with less 25 hours on the bulb.
baileymeadows 06-17-07, 11:43 PM I am interested in buying a pearl but I am thinking about using it as my primary set for viewing television on a regular daily basis. Is this a good thing to do please let me know as I am looking to pick up tomorrow afternoon. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
nathan_h 06-18-07, 12:29 AM If you like to watch TV in a dark room, it will be fine. Otherwise, if you like to watch TV in a room with windows, or several lights on, I think you'll be disappointed. Some might consider this an exaggeration but this is true for most projectors and most setups.
scaesare 06-18-07, 08:43 AM I am interested in buying a pearl but I am thinking about using it as my primary set for viewing television on a regular daily basis. Is this a good thing to do please let me know as I am looking to pick up tomorrow afternoon. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
While we watch some TV on it, we tend to choose those that have good HD feeds (Lost, ER, SNL, American Idol, etc...). Much of TV is still SD these days, and if you are going to go larger-than-direct-view size with your screen... it can get a little painful on occasion.
My screen is ~120" wide, and that reveals how bad some SD feeds are...
Here is a picture of my Pearl set up in my family room. I'm using a 92" Dalite High Power screen. It works great for daytime viewing in my room. I watch the projector much more than I watch the 32" I have behind the screen.
dseallhttp://img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/16811061739.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5719490)
baileymeadows 06-18-07, 12:43 PM Thanks alot everyone for your input it is greatly appreciated. I was looking at getting a fixed screen put on the wall. But I just bought the new HL-T7288 Samsung DLP so it sounds like I should go the route of a big drop down screen or find another room to place it in.
Did anyone find out what the 1.06 firmware on a Sony Pearl projector does, over and above 1.05?
My Pearl was recently being fixed and they upgraded it while they had it. I asked them what this gave me, but all their technical people would say is "The software release from 1.05 -> 1.06 is getting better the resolution" (it was done in the Netherlands).
When I asked what this meant I was told "Concerning the software upgrade the only thing that I can say is that there is a better picture resolution, unfortunately the software information is for internal use only."
Anyone know what 1.06 fixes or does?
Erik Garci 11-20-07, 02:42 PM Anyone know what 1.06 fixes or does?
It includes transparent menu.
http://www.itl-net.at/download/pearl_neu.jpg
http://www.itl-net.at/download/pearl_alt.jpg
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So how is a transparent menu "getting better the resolution" or "there is a better picture resolution" (their words in both cases)? Either both Sony people are getting it wrong or there is more to the 1.06 upgrade than people think?
Also, why all the secrecy? Why is the software information for internal use only? What are they hiding?
Dave Harper 11-21-07, 07:38 PM Sounds like it improved the video processing software to me. Maybe to make it about the same as they can compared to the new VW60?
mark haflich 11-21-07, 07:55 PM Hey Dave. Happy Thanks Giving.
Dave Harper 11-23-07, 11:29 AM Hey Mark:) Happy belated Thanksgiving to you too and everyone here at AVS!!! Sorry for the late reply. Checking email and surfing AVS isn't so easy here in the war zone. Too much work to do trying to catch that Taliban leader a$$hole and his loser followers:D!!!
Can you give me and your loyal followers here your unbiased synopsis of the differences between the mighty Pearl and the new VW60?
I am condsidering it with either a Schneider or ISCO anamorphic lens in my newly upgraded demo theater.
A/Vspec 11-23-07, 01:48 PM For me Dave in a word:
Sharper.
The 50 was good but the 60 is that much better and the anamorphic zoom with my U380 lense is fantastic.
You of course are more then welcome to stop over my new house and check it out.
http://www.digitalvortex.com/Medieval%20Knight.JPG
Dave Harper 11-24-07, 06:51 AM Very nice Mark:) That's quite an upgrade compared to that crappy 1st gen SIM2 DLP I saw the first time I was there:eek: But of course your Barco was nice:D Are you still in the same place in town with the cool attic theater?
Geez, with all this knight stuff, I'd think you're an employee or regular at the PA Rennaisance Faire ;)
A/Vspec 11-24-07, 07:16 AM And I still miss my Barco.... but with 2.35:1 and moving the projector outside the theater room I was left with little choice.... ;)
Actually I moved about 5 miles north out into the country side and the theater is now in a basement.
Also Dave, with a last name like Knight I really had little choice for a theater theme... now if I was Mark Skywalker I could have really done something cool! ... :cool:
THE OLD:
http://www.digitalvortex.com/images/Medieval%20(1).jpg
http://www.digitalvortex.com/DVProjector.jpg
And the NEW:
http://www.digitalvortex.com/BPmount.JPG
http://www.digitalvortex.com/BPlense.JPG
rbouch8828 12-05-07, 02:55 PM I bought one of the first Pearls to come into the country. I am beginning to see (at least I think I am just beginning to see it) some red/green fringing. Does anyone know if there is anyway for the convergence to change over time on this projector. It seemed to be spot on when I first got it 1 1/2 years ago.
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