The original The official:Sony (Pearl) 1920x1080 SXRD thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=723353) was getting long. Lots of good info. The thread has been closed to make room for for new current information from the show.
Please post all releated information to this thread.

Here is the active The official Ruby Calibration Q/A Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=633010)

Thank you.

Ultimate AV (http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/cedia2006/091306pearl/)

"it will not only accept a native 1080p/24 signal, it will display 1080p/24 material at 96fps"

Ultimate AV (http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/cedia2006/091306pearl/)

"it will not only accept a native 1080p/24 signal, it will display 1080p/24 material at 96fps"

Well, this answers one of the questions that we were all wondering about a few weeks ago:


More of a surprise is that the projector uses a single-chip video processing solution, which is certainly a cost reducer, and that it will not only accept a native 1080p/24 signal, it will display 1080p/24 material at 96fps, which is a multiple of film’s 24fps rate.

I just came across the engadget post on the Pearl and it was painful to read the comments:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/13/sony-pearl-vpl-vw50-1080p-projector-price-confirmed-at-cedia/#comments

"Contrast ratio is the difference between the whiteness of your projection surface, and what the projector delivers as white.. "

" the human eye is incapable of detecting contrast ratios greater than 800:1."

"It won't have any "upconvert technology" - meaning all DVDs and not HDTV materials will be displayed in the box in the middle"

"900 lumens? Do you have to have this in a cave...a lot of the projectors I've seen lately are 2000 lumens? maybe even higher. "

Oh the humanity.

=4K "it will not only accept a native 1080p/24 signal, it will display 1080p/24 material at 96fps"

Does it matter? If there is no blanking between frames (a moment of black) then 24/48/72/96 fps should look identical. I know this is an issue for CRT projectors, and perhaps colorwheel DLP? but does it matter SXRD or LCD?

Does it matter? If there is no blanking between frames (a moment of black) then 24/48/72/96 fps should look identical. I know this is an issue for CRT projectors, and perhaps colorwheel DLP? but does it matter SXRD or LCD?

It matters because until now we did not have confirmation that the Pearl would display 24fps at an even multiple of 24, so we did not know if we were truly eliminating judder.

Between Sony and JVC... I mean, now we're just talking about what a great price 1080ps are hitting.

AVguide calls it "Still, this looks like a DLP killer at half the price (or less) of 1080p projectors using that technology."

And today they're going to announce the JVC so this is a trend.

"It’s already clear that this year’s CEDIA will be the 1080p projector show. JVC is demonstrating an update to their D-ILA technology in a prototype projector with 0.7″ 1920×1080 imaging chips and, thanks to a newly developed optical system, a claimed contrast ratio of 10,000:1 with a peak light output of 800 lumens. The first commercial product is slated to be a home theater projector that will be available in early 2007 with a price tag of less than $7000! I have an appointment to see it Thursday morning, and I’ll let you know how it looks after that. "


I mean, if you're a gazillionaire... but the trickle down price drops should hit by Christmas, don't you think?

I just came across the engadget post on the Pearl and it was painful to read the comments:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/13/sony-pearl-vpl-vw50-1080p-projector-price-confirmed-at-cedia/#comments

"Contrast ratio is the difference between the whiteness of your projection surface, and what the projector delivers as white.. "

" the human eye is incapable of detecting contrast ratios greater than 800:1."

"It won't have any "upconvert technology" - meaning all DVDs and not HDTV materials will be displayed in the box in the middle"

"900 lumens? Do you have to have this in a cave...a lot of the projectors I've seen lately are 2000 lumens? maybe even higher. "

Oh the humanity.

You freaked me out for a second. When I saw "no upconvert technology" for a second I thought this was real information about the processing, and then I realized that these were lame user comments, apparently from the mentally challenged.

Ultimate AV (http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/cedia2006/091306pearl/)

"it will not only accept a native 1080p/24 signal, it will display 1080p/24 material at 96fps"

What I want to know is whether it will inverse telecine a 60i film-source singal to 24p.

I hope the calibrated lumens isn't too low on this thing. I'm waiting for a 1080p pj under $5k that can be used during the day.

I hope the calibrated lumens isn't too low on this thing. I'm waiting for a 1080p pj under $5k that can be used during the day.

Calibrated lumens and contrast have already been measured at min and max throw on a pre-prod unit. Check out the Cine4home.com review of the Pearl.

You will need to use the Pearl in a light controlled environment for decent results, like most every other projector.

just run in high lamp mode and enjoy it....I still don't think it's going to be a "daytime" pj unless you get a 5000 lumens jobby. By the way, whats the lamp life rated at in both modes?

today is the first day of CEDIA.....come you guys and gals...spill the beans!

I've started a wiki page here (http://hd.wetpaint.com/page/Sony%20VPL-VW50%20%28Pearl%29) to collect all the details about the Pearl.... I'm so stoked about this projector. I really wanted a Ruby, but it was waaaaaay more than I could pay for a projector.

Please feel free to add anything to page.

Cheers,
Randy

Would 119" diagonal be too much for the Pearl?

119" sounds like you may be up against the limit. Based on some of the Ruby reports, you may need a perfect dark room.

Darn, where's the sticky on the new Optoma?

Calibrated lumens and contrast have already been measured at min and max throw on a pre-prod unit. Check out the Cine4home.com review of the Pearl.

You will need to use the Pearl in a light controlled environment for decent results, like most every other projector.

700 lumens calibrated is still pretty good and is probably a bit brighter than my ae900u. I use the 900u with the blinds partially closed during the day, and I've got no problems watching TV. Of course, like you said, the best performance will be in light controlled situations. If I do end up getting this pj, I'll do plenty of night time movie viewing.

How do the black levels on SXRD compare to the best DLPs?

Pearl + 92" Diagonal High Power, from minimum permissable distance from the screen = 52Ft/Lamberts........too bright(Cine4Home 470Lumens/Low power on globe)

Can the Pearl lens take filters.

Any filter sugestions

Any CCxxR plus 81b recomendations?

Thanks!

Would 119" diagonal be too much for the Pearl?
Thats ~41 Sq Ft for a 16x9 screen. Using the Cine4Home review # of 470 lumens in econo mode/ max zoom and a 1.0 gain screen;

FtL = (lumens*gain)/ area = (470*1)/41 = 11.5 FtL around what you should get in a movie theater

On a HiPower or Silverstar with gain ~ 3.0 = 34.5 FtL around what you get from a RPTV!

119" sounds like you may be up against the limit. Based on some of the Ruby reports, you may need a perfect dark room.

Darn, where's the sticky on the new Optoma?


That's the problem I'm having. I have 115" .95 gain screen. I think it will be okay with a fresh bulb, but after a few hundred hours I'm not so sure.

Have you ever wondered how these guys get a projector way before release date?
http://cine4home.com/reviews/projectors/SonyVPLVW50/VPLVW50Review.htm

Do you want a Pearl? in September before anyone else? below MSRP?

Sound to good to be true? nope PM me. But only if you are serious and are willing to pull the trigger. Not the Trygger ;)

More of a surprise is that the projector uses a single-chip video processing solution, which is certainly a cost reducer

So, what does this mean in practical terms - that the video processing in the Pearl is not going to be very good? Will this necessitate the need for an outboard processor to realize the full potential of this projector? Also, if the Pearl is fed a 1080 source from a Blu-ray or HD DVD disc, is the internal processor by-passed?

So, what does this mean in practical terms - that the video processing in the Pearl is not going to be very good? Will this necessitate the need for an outboard processor to realize the full potential of this projector? Also, if the Pearl is fed a 1080 source from a Blu-ray or HD DVD disc, is the internal processor by-passed?

This is the 10,000 dollar question. In the Cine4Home review, the Pearl's processor failed PAL film mode tests. No tests have been published regarding 1080i deinterlacing, so we do not know how it will perform.

I believe it's probably safe to assume that the Pearl will properly display a 1080p signal at its native rate. Regarding non-native content, I am guarded but optimistic.

Have you ever wondered how these guys get a projector way before release date?
http://cine4home.com/reviews/projectors/SonyVPLVW50/VPLVW50Review.htm

Do you want a Pearl? in September before anyone else? below MSRP?

Sound to good to be true? nope PM me. But only if you are serious and are willing to pull the trigger. Not the Trygger ;)
Don't bother PMing Tryg. Just call AVS.

better yet just PM QQQ ;)

Just saw it. I have some screen shots on the top of the forum. Poor screen in the room unfortunately so I don't think it showed what it was really capable of.

I was able to see a ton of projectors today at CEDIA. While I think the VW100 was a little better (red especially stood out), I am now convinced that the VW50 is the projector for me. I thought the VW50 looked stunning!

Sony was also showing off their new receiver that upconverts just about everything to 1080p and its MSRP is only $1400! Seemed like a perfect combination.

My head is still spinning from the show, wow that was cool to see everything! Epson had an especially cool display showing the guts of a 3 chip LCD and a DLP actually running so you could see the light paths all throughout the projectors, neat stuff.

Jason,
Any more "input" on what you saw of the pearl? You think it can be the magic cure from a Sony HS20? What did you think of the Mits 5000, although they are saying it is set up wrong etc so no REAL comparisons yet. I have a homemade 98" screen but I really like it.....I'm sure the Pearl's a big step up from the HS20.

What I want to know is whether it will inverse telecine a 60i film-source singal to 24p.

Also what I'm wondering. Why in all this time has no one confirmed yay or nay on this issue???

Is this good enough for you?

http://cine4home.com/reviews/projectors/SonyVPLVW50/data.jpg

???

does it mention deinterlacing of 60 Hz film-source material?

Also what I'm wondering. Why in all this time has no one confirmed yay or nay on this issue???

I'd be happy if we could confirm some form proper motion adaptive deinterlacing of 1080i video and inverse telecine on 1080i film based content.

???

does it mention deinterlacing of 60 Hz film-source material?

Now that we know from another report that it takes 1080p24 and converts it to 96hz for display, I would hope it does that for 1080i60 film-sourced content, as well. But you're right: The specs, while impressive, don't mention whether that is the case.

from Jasons first day @ CEDIA thread:

It too was shown on the new Firehawk SS2 and again, I think that with its level of performance (and a controlled environment as it was in), a white screen would have been a better choice. I will note that the brightness was not all that good. It had little ?pop? to it, but again, this is preproduction and on the wrong screen, so I suspect final products and proper setups will allow it to perform favorably compared to the other offerings.

From what I understood, the SS2 is a direct play by Stewart at trying to 'brand' a screen specifically with/for this particular pj...at least thats what Stewarts press release seems to indicate.
So Jason, what screen(s) do you think would be a better fit based on what you saw? How 'bout a high power? If the brightness wasn't all that good on what is most likely a newer bulb, what is that thing going to look like at 500 or 1000 hours?

From AV Guide (http://www.avguide.com/news/2006/09/14/cedia-06-sony-breaks-the-1080p-price-barrier/):

The VW50 can accept 1080p/24 (say, from Sony’s BDP-S1 Blu-ray player, due in October), which it displays at 96Hz (each frame four times). If it gets 1080i/60 from a film-based source—that is, with 3:2 pulldown—it removes the unpaired fields and displays 1080p/60: one frame twice, the next three times, the next twice, and so on. This is better than motion-adaptive deinterlacing, but better still would be displaying each frame three or four times at 72 or 96Hz.

---------------

BTW:

If someone could measure the depth between the front feet and the back of the projector (or take a picture exactly from the right or left hand side of the projector), it would be greatly appreciated.

So is that confirmation that it does do IVT deinterlacing with 60Hz 24fps sources like film?

Well, for one, it says that this is "better than motion adaptive deinterlacing," which is really a misleading comment because motion adaptive deinterlacing is a different beast altogether and does not apply to the sort of film-based content he is describing.

So right off the bat, I question whoever wrote this. But if the basic facts are true, it verifies two things:

1) Film-based 1080i is properly deinterlaced,
2) but it is displayed w/ judder at 60hz

And to be honest, this was the best that I had hoped for because I never thought we would see 1080i/60 converted into 1080p/24, although I would gladly take it!

"Pearl" is able to display (need also LC glasses) stereoscopic 3D video at 96Hz from PC with Stereoscopic Player (http://3dtv.at/Movies/Index_en.aspx)?
Thanks.

The projector is a new benchmark in value. That's my take away after viewing for about half an hour.

I never did figure out the other source. One was a Sony Bluray.
The Pearl was good enough to show flaws in the source. I saw some swarming noise.

Also, I don't think the FireHawk is the right screen. A Highpower would have done much better IMO.

The best picture came from some 1080i source. I'm not sure what it was though. I believe it was component YPbPr.

The uniformity didn't match the new Phelps optimized Meridian model. And the the overall picture didn't match the 3 chip 1080P DLP in the TI booth, but if it was my money I'd go with the Pearl at this point. (in a light controlled environment)

That is one thing. It looked less bright than its specs would suggest. But I'm not familiar with the FH. It did hold up well to the small amount of ambient light when I asked the to turn up the lights.

It's also small. At least compared to the Ruby it seems much smaller.

Until more details come out, I would assume it needs a great scaler to get results for all sources, but its too early to say for sure.

(to add context. After Pearl, I went directly to Ruby demo, then Meridian/Phelps, then Mits D6 1080P LCD, then TI 3 chip DLP. Many more to see!)

Ken

The uniformity didn't match the new Phelps optimized Meridian model. And the the overall picture didn't match the 3 chip 1080P DLP in the TI booth, but if it was my money I'd go with the Pearl at this point. (in a light controlled environment)

Ken

Can you elaborate on any uniformity issues? Was shading present?

When I have viewed the Ruby, I have observed greenish color discolorations which are only visible on gray, smoothly gradiated images -- like on a picture of a foggy landscape.

I thought there was a little corner brightness going on. But it was so slight.

I probably shouldn't have even mentioned it. But you have to see a Phelp's shade adjusted projector to know what I'm talking about.

I doubt anyone who hadn't seen a Phelps would bring it up.

I didn't notice discolorations in the Pearl on full white. It was slight (and I mean slight) ... I can't find the right words.

I'll just say that the shading uniformity doesn't match the Meridian/JVC/Phelps LCOS. :)

My point is that I feel you're going to have to spend 4-10X to get a better pic. (So far that is. I have more to see like the HD81 and the Cinetron)

Ken

Hi Ken,

Cinetron is offsite at the Denver Performing Arts Center and so is the new JVC HD1. I hope you have a chance to get over there.

Always look forward to your reports.

Thanks,

My point is that I feel you're going to have to spend 4-10X to get a better pic. (So far that is. I have more to see like the HD81 and the Cinetron)

Ken

I would be interested in your opinion of the JVC unit. Early indicators make it look like it may be the projector to beat in the under 30K catagory. Thanks for your reviews thus far.

I'll just say that the shading uniformity doesn't match the Meridian/JVC/Phelps LCOS. :)
The good news is that IIRC, WM had made his shading optomization process available for the Ruby, and so may make it available for the Pearl.

Hopefully those looking for the absolute best calibration and optomization for their Pearl will have the option to send their unit to WM to have it done.

My point is that I feel you're going to have to spend 4-10X to get a better pic. (So far that is. I have more to see like the HD81 and the Cinetron)

Ken

What about the JVC HD1?

Edit: oops, I see a couple others already mentioned this!

I would be interested in your opinion of the JVC unit. Early indicators make it look like it may be the projector to beat in the under 30K catagory. Thanks for your reviews thus far.

The JVC sounds like a player but I'm still waiting to get any, even initial reports on Optoma's new 1080p.
:(

The JVC sounds like a player but I'm still waiting to get any, even initial reports on Optoma's new 1080p.
:(

Yeah, what's up with that?

:confused:

I've had a Pearl on pre-order since day 1 (to replace a Panny 700).
After reading everything I could get my hands and eyes on (about both Ruby & Pearl) - I'm mainly concerned w/ 2 things:

1. Convergence

2. Shading (I'm a B&W film fan)

Both fared very well w/ cine4home's pre-production review - so I have high hopes.
:)

Has anyone seen a mounting distance vs screen size chart? I am tring to determine the mounting location for the Pearl I have on order.

Thanks

You guys are not hesitant to pre order with such little info? I am going to wait atleast a few months after these reports since no conclusions can really be made, plus this JVC sounds like it could be the best of the bunch possibly. I would kick myself if in 5 months the JVC is out and ends up being the Ruby/Pearl killer some think it will be and I just bought a Pearl. Why not wait till the dust settles a bit?

Why not wait till the dust settles a bit?

As long as it doesn't settle on my panels. Dust blobs are evil!

agreed! :)

You guys are not hesitant to pre order with such little info? I am going to wait atleast a few months after these reports since no conclusions can really be made, plus this JVC sounds like it could be the best of the bunch possibly. I would kick myself if in 5 months the JVC is out and ends up being the Ruby/Pearl killer some think it will be and I just bought a Pearl. Why not wait till the dust settles a bit?

Ill buy the Pearl now and the JVC later. I will enjoy both :)

I would kick myself if in 5 months the JVC is out and ends up being the Ruby/Pearl killer some think it will be and I just bought a Pearl. Why not wait till the dust settles a bit?
$4,995 vs $7,995 is one reason. :) :)

This yaer's crop of 1080p pj may be like getting to do a Ms. America finalist. It really does not matter a whole lot if she was #1 or #7! :)

Ok, Long time LCD User, buying a Pearl ASAP.

Does SXRD (LCOS) Have any problems with burn in of the panels?

I know with Some LCD units over time the Panel will start to wear becuase of the heat, and start to show hot spots like a tint of pink on a black background.

Or slight shift of red on a all white screen?

I wish I had that kind of cash to burn! I would do the same thing :) It is getting hard to wait.

$4,995 vs $7,995 is one reason. :) :)

This yaer's crop of 1080p pj may be like getting to do a Ms. America finalist. It really does not matter a whole lot if she was #1 or #7! :)

:D

$4,995 vs $7,995 is one reason. :) :)

This yaer's crop of 1080p pj may be like getting to do a Ms. America finalist. It really does not matter a whole lot if she was #1 or #7! :)

Well, in that case, you might find that you actually prefer #7. Heck, I often prefer the girl who didn't make the first cut. :D

What's your contrast ratio, baby?! :D

P.S.

I do plan to ask my projector about its feelings on world peace.

Well, buy the Pearl (its much cheaper) and enjoy it. If the JVC is that much better than make the deciison if you are willing to spend an additional $3k. I expect the Pearl to be very close to the Ruby and JVC based on the initial impressions. Plus $3K is a significant amount of money to save or upgrade other components with.

Ok, Long time LCD User, buying a Pearl ASAP.

Does SXRD (LCOS) Have any problems with burn in of the panels?

I know with Some LCD units over time the Panel will start to wear becuase of the heat, and start to show hot spots like a tint of pink on a black background.

Or slight shift of red on a all white screen?

1. No
2. No

Hope that helps. You will love SXRD. Now it definitely isn't as sharp as DLP (which I feel looks overprocessed), but if you are used to LCD then I see no reason that you will not love the image. Just make sure you buy through AVS. Great pricing and more importantly service!

Good points. For some reason I thought it was closer in price, and $3000 is a lot of money. I agree that they all should be great and it is a win win situation.

I haven't seen anything on pricing for the JVC except that it is expected to sell for less than 7k. Could someone give me a link to the $7995 figure that's being used?

1. No
2. No

Hope that helps. You will love SXRD. Now it definitely isn't as sharp as DLP (which I feel looks overprocessed), but if you are used to LCD then I see no reason that you will not love the image. Just make sure you buy through AVS. Great pricing and more importantly service!

I'm trying to get a hold of Jason to order one!

But I want Next DAY AIR shipping!

1. No
2. No

Hope that helps. You will love SXRD. Now it definitely isn't as sharp as DLP (which I feel looks overprocessed), but if you are used to LCD then I see no reason that you will not love the image. Just make sure you buy through AVS. Great pricing and more importantly service!

Is there any links you may have to confirm.

I run my Sony HS51A in high Alt mode, becuase I am afrade to burn in the panels!

I'm OCD :(

Well, buy the Pearl (its much cheaper) and enjoy it. If the JVC is that much better than make the deciison if you are willing to spend an additional $3k. I expect the Pearl to be very close to the Ruby and JVC based on the initial impressions. Plus $3K is a significant amount of money to save or upgrade other components with.
How about get the Pearl and spend the $3000 on the new DVDO VP-50.

I haven't seen anything on pricing for the JVC except that it is expected to sell for less than 7k. Could someone give me a link to the $7995 figure that's being used?

Jason said in his Cedia thread

Best of all…less than $8k list (final price TBD).

But the JVC Cedia thread says:

The first product to incorporate JVC’s new technology will be a full HD home cinema projector that will be available in early 2007 and sell for less than $7,000.

Bottom line: no official price yet, but somewhere around 7-8k is expected.

Ok, Long time LCD User, buying a Pearl ASAP.

Does SXRD (LCOS) Have any problems with burn in of the panels?

I know with Some LCD units over time the Panel will start to wear becuase of the heat, and start to show hot spots like a tint of pink on a black background.

Or slight shift of red on a all white screen?

No such things with LCOS neither DILA nor SXRD.

Just wanted to sound in, and say this sounds like another clear winner for Sony.

I know a lot of people in the audio/video community give SONY a hard time over their quality and products, but I'm been extremely happy with current Sony projector.

It's the VPL-HS20 Cineza.

Back, when it came out, and since the other updated versions of it came out, it was reviewed by many as a great bang for the buck and couldn't get much more unless you spend 2-5x as much.

Well, it sounds as if this VPL-VW50 is another hit. I remember drooling over the Qualia when it was reviewed/introduced all over the net. However, I'm not rich by any standards!

Hopefully I'll be able to upgrade to something like the VLP-VW50 in a few years when my HS20 becomes a bit older. The sub $5k pricepoint for this quality seems astounding to me!

That's all. :)

Is there any links you may have to confirm.

I run my Sony HS51A in high Alt mode, becuase I am afrade to burn in the panels!

I'm OCD :(

It wont burn in. Do you play lots of video games? I use a a Plasma for games sometimes which can experieince burn in and yet I never have with that either. Dont worry! Jason is at the show so there may be some delay.

You will be glad you ordered this piece.

It wont burn in. Do you play lots of video games? I use a a Plasma for games sometimes which can experieince burn in and yet I never have with that either. Dont worry! Jason is at the show so there may be some delay.

You will be glad you ordered this piece.

Not that type of burn in.

I mean like miscoloration of the panels because of the heat.

Not actual image burn in like a plasma.

Jason said in his Cedia thread



But the JVC Cedia thread says:



Bottom line: no official price yet, but somewhere around 7-8k is expected.


Thanks

Not that type of burn in.

I mean like miscoloration of the panels because of the heat.

Not actual image burn in like a plasma.

Sorry. That does not happen either at least it hasnt happened on my Ruby. It will not happen. Have a drink and enjoy the amazing picture!

I just picked up my new Pearl from AVS and got it home. I will be setting it up over the next few hours and post a ton of pictures. I stated a thread so be sure to check back. Thanks to AVS you guys can see some screen shots on a normal home theater setup. Check my new thread for updates.

I just picked up my new Pearl from AVS and got it home. I will be setting it up over the next few hours and post a ton of pictures. I stated a thread so be sure to check back. Thanks to AVS you guys can see some screen shots on a normal home theater setup. Check my new thread for updates.


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I saw the Pearl today at Cedia and I was very impressed with what I saw. The contrast and blacks were very good and the picture was sharp. I agree that the firehawk screen that they were showing it on was probably not the best choice. I think the Pearl will be plenty bright for a dedicated theater. This pj has just moved to the top of my list. Definitely a great value at it's price.

Seems like you beat me to it. Maybe I will get mine next Tuesday unless over the weekend I get weak in the knees and change my mind.

I will get mine next Tuesday unless over the weekend I get weak in the knees and change my mind.

This PJ is beginning to emerge as the best of the new breed for 1080p value. I am waiting the reviews on this one myself.

Romy, if I may I ask how will you dispose of your BenQ?

so all who liked this pj....would it be bright enough on a 98" diag screen with about 1.1 gain? Jasons pics looked a little soft or out of focus and lacked the "pop" of the JVC.....in person, did it win you guys over? I have a Sony HS20 that I am selling on ebay. Would this be as bright? Also, do you think it would be smart to upgrade from my HS20 to the pearl at this point.....thanks in advance!

I just picked up my new Pearl from AVS and got it home. I will be setting it up over the next few hours and post a ton of pictures. I stated a thread so be sure to check back. Thanks to AVS you guys can see some screen shots on a normal home theater setup. Check my new thread for updates.

Hey congrats on your new Pearl. Now we will all be interested in your reports. Please also take some varied sources like 1080i sports along with movies.

Hopefully you also have a nice Toshiba HD-DVD to try it out too.
:)

Hopefully you also have a nice Toshiba HD-DVD to try it out too.
Yes, that would be great. I'm sure that Sony is showing the Pearl with Blu-ray, and as we all know, that is not the best way to show off a projector...:p

Romy, if I may I ask how will you dispose of your BenQ?

Fortunately for me bulk trash pickup is next week so I won't have a problem getting them to pick it up.

where did Jason post the preal pics he got...im having trouble finding them. thanks guys.

where did Jason post the preal pics he got...im having trouble finding them. thanks guys.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8432607&&#post8432607

I saw the Pearl today at Cedia and I was very impressed with what I saw. The contrast and blacks were very good and the picture was sharp. I agree that the firehawk screen that they were showing it on was probably not the best choice. I think the Pearl will be plenty bright for a dedicated theater. This pj has just moved to the top of my list. Definitely a great value at it's price.

I saw the same thing on the screen in my living room. The peal is a nice addition to my Home Theater.

Just got back from Cedia and I was pretty blown away by the Pearl. Even on the grey screen it looked fantastic to me. This was a 100" diag 1.1 firehawk (new model) in a small light controlled room. This was the first time I experienced that through the looking glass type thing that I have heard about. They were demoing some Blu Ray stuff which looked great, but they had this 1080i feed going through the projector that looked incredible! It was outdoor shots perhaps Venice? It was so clear and vibrant I was in awe! They also played some ice age footage which looked amazing of course. I think I am sold.

Next went and saw the Mits 5000. Looked great as well, but not a good setup like has been reported. Lots of ambient light, screen was like 6 feet off the ground or so and the material was not that high quality. You could tell the potential was there, but it was to bad of a setup to get a great feel for the unit.

Next went to JVC. They had COR HD-DVD playing through the new 1080 unit everyone has been talking about. Looked fantastic as well, but did not seem any better to me than the Pearl. Even my GF commented that she actually liked the Sony better, and my friend agreed. Obviously we are all rookies and I could not tell you why it did not look any better, but I certainly did not see the 2-3000 dollar price difference. It may be there, but you would have to do probably a side by side to see it with the same material. It was also on a ST130 while the Pearl was on the firehawk. I would love to see the Pearl on the ST130 with the same DVD. This was just my impression from the quick demo I saw and a side by side may show a difference between the two, but at this point I would save the cash and get the Pearl. Tomorrow JVC is doing a side by side shootout between the Ruby and the new JVC to show its superiority, but I probably wont make it. Hopefully someone else will report on this head to head. Seems a bit unfair since JVC is hosting this and it would be hard for me to take whatever I saw as fact since I would not know if the Ruby was actually set up properly.

The Pearl was my highlight so far, and it looked plenty bright to me.

Great post Toe. Thanks for the comments.

BTW glad to see you made it into CEDIA. ;)

Tell you what...we had a blast! Me, my GF, and my friend were just in awe all day long! It was really cool meeting some of the forum guys to like Jason, Dave, etc....AVS threw a first class party and now I am in pain from all the great food I ate :D What a great group, and thanks again to those who made this all happen for us ;)

Tell you what...we had a blast! Me, my GF, and my friend were just in awe all day long! It was really cool meeting some of the forum guys to like Jason, Dave, etc....AVS threw a first class party and now I am in pain from all the great food I ate :D What a great group, and thanks again to those who made this all happen for us ;)

:D

Tomorrow JVC is doing a side by side shootout between the Ruby and the new JVC to show its superiority, but I probably wont make it. Hopefully someone else will report on this head to head.
If someone goes to this shootout, please check the lamp hours on both units as well as the size and type of screen used. These will be important factors to know!

Edit: Oh yeah, and make sure that the Sony is in auto iris mode or the JVC will definitely smoke it!

So I dunno... I found the image a bit wanting in pure dynamic range... a bit wanting in inky blackness... But then there was that shadow detail... that resolution...

That said, five grand, 2 million pixels, 3 panels, attractive design, Sony brand name... This is a category killer. The $6000 - $15,000 projector market has been moved down to $5000 and will be 2x as large next year as it was this year (or more?!?). Sony's product will so completely dwarf the sales of all others -- regardless of whether or not it's the best product on the market.

Trying to figure out how to fit one into my home....

Cnet.com previously reported that the VPL-VW50 lamp was rated for 2000 hours, with a replacement cost of about $300.

Can anyone confirm that? Did Sony announce more specific information this week?

The bulbs for my two previous two projectors cost around $1.00 per hour and I would rather not deal with that again.

you must have had some JVC DILA pj's????

Anyway, THE only thing I'm going to miss on my Sony HS20 is the brightness (well and the memory stick thingy). Can anyone comment on this (if they have seen the HS20). I don't close the iris down and I probably will keep it in Auto mode for the pearl. Was the pearl set in "Auto" as well?

you must have had some JVC DILA pj's????

Anyway, THE only thing I'm going to miss on my Sony HS20 is the brightness (well and the memory stick thingy). Can anyone comment on this (if they have seen the HS20). I don't close the iris down and I probably will keep it in Auto mode for the pearl. Was the pearl set in "Auto" as well?

The Pearl is much brighter then I thought it would be. I had a Yamaha LPX-510 and the Pearl is as bright in low mode. Plenty of pop too!

When I was at the Pearl demo yesterday, the gentleman doing the demo told me lamp replacement would be $300. Good news indeed!

So Toe ...

I've followed around your upgrade path to some extent (as it has similarities to my own) ... I was strongly considering Sammy 710, bought the BenQ 8720 (returned), bought a costco AE900U (returned) ... and based on reports strongly considering the Pearl. Having demoed/had in home a lot of the same units as you ... I would be interested to hear ...

Are you going with the Sony Pearl?

The Pearl is much brighter then I thought it would be. I had a Yamaha LPX-510 and the Pearl is as bright in low mode. Plenty of pop too!

On what size screen do you have the Pearl? 92" or so, IRRC? That's rather small; a 120" diag screen is ~ 50% larger (in area), and will reduce the ftL by this factor. Wonder how the Pearl would do with this size screen.

MikLoyD....What is happening? That is interesting that we are on the same wavelength with projectors :) I was soooo close to getting the 710, then again soooo close to getting the 8720, and I am going to return my 900 to Costco as well. As of right now, I am planning on the Pearl after seeing it yesterday. It was incredible to my eyes, but I have been watching a 900 for a while now and never saw an 8720 or 710 so I dont know how great it would look in this case. I am sure it would still be awesome though.

The only thing making me hesitant is all the buzz on the JVC. I saw the JVC briefly yesterday with a COR HD-DVD demo and it did look amazing, but I did not notice it being better than the pearl. However, 2 different buildings, 2 different sources, 2 different screens, etc, it is verry hard to compare the 2 in this situation. With all the positive reports going around it sounds like it is a bit better unit, but 2-3000 dollars better not from what I saw.

So to sum this up I am still undecided :confused: but it is between these 2 for me right now and I am leaning more toward the Pearl as I feel it is the better value IMO.

I will keep updating, and good luck with your hunt

By the way, why did you return the 8720 and 900?

I never saw the 710, but the issue that surfaced just as I was going to take the plunge persist to this day .... phew ...

The 8720 was a very, very nice DC3 machine (the best my HT has seen!). I had some support concerns that were going unanswered from my dealer (not AVS) as well as a rather prominent bulb flicker issue that surfaced in the third week. I ended up returning it, despite its magnificent image due to these concerns.

As I was returing the 8720, I bought a 900 from Costco half thinking that if something else was announced or if something went wrong I could return it. On the 56th? day of owning the 900, one of the internal fan's started making a horrendous noise ... so I returned it last month.

The 900 is one of the better budget projectors, but honestly, I never really fell in love with the picture. I appreciated the lack of rainbows, but the image was far from punchy. I don't know that I wouldn't prefer say the new 1K 720P Optoma over non-D6 LCD. Smoothscreen ... I don't know that I wouldn't want to see some pixel structure over the soft image.

At one point, I A-B'd the 8720 to the 900 (8720 the clear winner) and A-B'd the 8720 to a friends new HD72 (that was a bit closer and if the HD72 offset worked I might have done that).

Despite the soft image, and being a DLP guy (my first pj was an HD2 XGA DLP) ... I don't think I can go back to single chipper. Sure the image is punchier and sharper, but I have a new found appreciation for smoothness due to my fling with LCD :)

Part of this is likely principle as well ... note TI ... get with it and deliver affordable 3 chip 1080p (lets see $50K SIM2 3xDLP vs $7K JVC DILA vs $5K Sony SXRD... hmmmm). Until TI does that, I see no reason to support them by purchasing another single chip DLP.

Anyways, I am projectorless at the moment ... if the JVC is going to challenge the Pearl eventually, that's great for consumers ... but its getting awefully hard to NOT buy into the Sony hype.

edit: added NOT (thanks Rob)

Anyways, I am projectorless at the moment ... if the JVC is going to challenge the Pearl eventually, that's great for consumers ... but its getting awefully hard to buy into the Sony hype.

What do you mean by "but its getting awefully hard to buy into the Sony hype"?

Edited ... I meant to not buy in to the Sony hype ...

Perhaps its a lack of a better word, but I have not seen the Pearl in person and the reviews (both professional and amateur) coming out of CEDIA are rather positive (and hard for me to confirm myself without a Pearl around me to verify for myself).

Edited ... I meant to not buy in to the Sony hype ...

Perhaps its a lack of a better word, but I have not seen the Pearl in person and the reviews (both professional and amateur) coming out of CEDIA are rather positive (and hard for me to confirm myself without a Pearl around me to verify for myself).

I thought it was probably a typo, thanks for the clarification.

Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere...

Does the Pearl have a sealed light path to prevent dust on the panels? Or is that even a concern with SXRD?

Thanks.

-tony

Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere...

Does the Pearl have a sealed light path to prevent dust on the panels? Or is that even a concern with SXRD?

Thanks.

-tony

Not sure if it is sealed, but I never had a problem with the Ruby and I believe the Pearl shares the same system.

Thanks Andrew.

Next questions...My projector shelf is 12' back from my 92"x52" Hi-power screen. Is this size:distance within the Pearl's range? Also, with this size:distance, I assume brightness will not be a problem in my mostly light-controlled room?

-tony

Thanks Andrew.

Next questions...My projector shelf is 12' back from my 92"x52" Hi-power screen. Is this size:distance within the Pearl's range? Also, with this size:distance, I assume brightness will not be a problem in my mostly light-controlled room?

-tony

The projector is bright enough for me. I do not have light cntrl in the afternoon and the image is bright and punchy (I feel like it is more than my Ruby). I do not have the Pearl's throw range, but I believe it is the same as the Ruby. If you can review the manual below it will tell you this info on page 16/259.

http://esupport.sony.com/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=VPLVW100

Andy

Thanks Andrew.

Next questions...My projector shelf is 12' back from my 92"x52" Hi-power screen. Is this size:distance within the Pearl's range? Also, with this size:distance, I assume brightness will not be a problem in my mostly light-controlled room?

-tony

The lens of the pj needs to be at least 92"x1.4/12 ~ 10.7 ft away from the screen. With the length of the pj, and some room for cables behind it, it sounds like it will be close.

The projector is bright enough for me. I do not have light cntrl in the afternoon and the image is bright and punchy (I feel like it is more than my Ruby). I do not have the Pearl's throw range, but I believe it is the same as the Ruby. If you can review the manual below it will tell you this info on page 16/259.

http://esupport.sony.com/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=VPLVW100

Andy


If I'm reading it right, it looks like I will be able to make 92" wide work from 120", but just barely. The good news is that brightness should be maxed out from this short end of the throw range, at least I think I read that in another thread...

The Pearl looked great. I am going back and forth between the Pearl and the Mits 5k. The demo that I really enjoyed was the FH Video side by side of the Ruby and G90. Really showed how off the blacks are on the Ruby vs CRT.

I don't know if it is mentioned already or not, but a nice thing about the Pearl NOT having an external processor is that (1) all deinterlacing can be done on board, and (2) because it doesn't have colorwheel that needs to change speeds it can change frame rates instaneously.

Taken (1) and (2) together this means that it is possible for the Pearl to switch from 24/48/72 fps update rates to 60 fps update rates on the fly without having to use 3:2 telecine or any re-syncing.

That's the potential and I hope it can actually do it.

-Mr. Wigggles

The Pearl looked great. I am going back and forth between the Pearl and the Mits 5k. The demo that I really enjoyed was the FH Video side by side of the Ruby and G90. Really showed how off the blacks are on the Ruby vs CRT.
Can you give us more details on the comparison? Which did you prefer overall and why?

I saw the VPL-VW50 today at CEDIA. I would say Sony has a real winner on their hands. The demo looked excellent.

Went and saw the Pearl demo again today and it looked fantastic still. One thing though is they were running on high lamp mode which is probably why it looked so punchy and bright. He switched to low lamp for just a second and it was a fair bit dimmer. The JVC was also running in its high lamp mode when I saw it so no wonder they looked more similar than not to me as far as brightness. I have not come away from the show after 2 days with a clear winner for me between the JVC, Pearl, 5000, and Cinetron. They all looked good.

I am wondering now how a Pearl would look with a 92" diag high power at about 1.7 gain with my viewing angle. This would alleviated any brightness concerns, but would it be to bright? Would black levels be compromised to much? I dont know....

I saw the JVC today and it looked very good, and it was a little brighter than the Pearl. Both threw a great image, though. I think I preferred the image of the Pearl a little better than the JVC though, despite it being a little dimmer. It seemed to me that the Pearl had a little more contrast and slightly better blacks. I think the Pearl would look very good on a high power, or a white screen with a little gain.

The guy running the Pearl demo told me that the UHP bulb in the Pearl only cost about $300, so replacing the bulb in the Pearl once it gets dim won't be too painful. With the reported $2-3k price difference between the Sony and the JVC, even with a few bulb changes, the Sony is a better value. I am stronly leaning towards the Pearl right now.

I also took another look at the Mits HC5000, which I also thought looked good despite the bad set up, so I haven't ruled that out as well. But, I still think the Sony is the better performer, especially at it's price.

Hello All,

CEDIA is literally in my backyard and the buzz on this projector has me hooked. I sent a PM to Alan on pricing, but was curious if there was anyway I might be able to come down and take a look at in person??? I am literally 10 minutes from there.

I promise to buy lunch and carry your bags :)

I was able to see a ton of projectors today at CEDIA. While I think the VW100 was a little better (red especially stood out), I am now convinced that the VW50 is the projector for me. I thought the VW50 looked stunning!

Sony was also showing off their new receiver that upconverts just about everything to 1080p and its MSRP is only $1400! Seemed like a perfect combination.

My head is still spinning from the show, wow that was cool to see everything! Epson had an especially cool display showing the guts of a 3 chip LCD and a DLP actually running so you could see the light paths all throughout the projectors, neat stuff.

Volkswagon makes a projector?

you joking?

thats the model numbers of the Sony projectors.


-Sowk

I'm a bit concerned about the Pearls darkness. I ended up not upgrading to the HS51 a couple years ago after viewing it at CEDIA. It looked pretty good with the high beam, but when I asked the rep to see it in low lamp mode the picture went dim and lost its pop. I'm hearing this same thing is happening with the Pearl, but it's also an amazing value.

I'd hate to spend 5G's and end up with an uninvolving picture. Hmm...

I'm a bit concerned about the Pearls darkness. I ended up not upgrading to the HS51 a couple years ago after viewing it at CEDIA. It looked pretty good with the high beam, but when I asked the rep to see it in low lamp mode the picture went dim and lost its pop. I'm hearing this same thing is happening with the Pearl, but it's also an amazing value.

I'd hate to spend 5G's and end up with an uninvolving picture. Hmm...

Thats why there is a high lamp mode. Why wouldnt you use it? The projector is still nearly silent.

I'm a bit concerned about the Pearls darkness. I ended up not upgrading to the HS51 a couple years ago after viewing it at CEDIA. It looked pretty good with the high beam, but when I asked the rep to see it in low lamp mode the picture went dim and lost its pop. I'm hearing this same thing is happening with the Pearl, but it's also an amazing value.

I'd hate to spend 5G's and end up with an uninvolving picture. Hmm...

yet if it looked good in high lamp mode, why wouldn't you just use that?
Is the 2000 hr rating for low or high lamp mode?
Several people have commented that the choice of screen seemed suspect in the set-up- wouldn't that be another area that would likely contribute to a great difference in perception?

I'm a bit concerned about the Pearls darkness. I ended up not upgrading to the HS51 a couple years ago after viewing it at CEDIA. It looked pretty good with the high beam, but when I asked the rep to see it in low lamp mode the picture went dim and lost its pop. I'm hearing this same thing is happening with the Pearl, but it's also an amazing value.

I'd hate to spend 5G's and end up with an uninvolving picture. Hmm...

We have yet to see the adjustment the new DI system of the Pearl will allow us to balance light output with good contrast in Auto mode. I believe it allow the lowest appeture setting of the iris to be ajusted by the user to allow more light and thus provide a desired picture by the user. I know someone will comment on this, but I know the Pearl appears to have an improved version of the Ruby's DI.

Also, do you have a high power screen? That'll add some punch and just run it in high mode during less than ideal situations no?

I'd hate to spend 5G's and end up with an uninvolving picture. Hmm...
Just make sure you use a real $2k power cord, not a fake one from ebay and you'll be all set.

What version is HDMI, is it 1.3? Thanks!

yet if it looked good in high lamp mode, why wouldn't you just use that?
Is the 2000 hr rating for low or high lamp mode?
Several people have commented that the choice of screen seemed suspect in the set-up- wouldn't that be another area that would likely contribute to a great difference in perception?

The projector is probably the best price/performance I have ever seen. You need to be careful judging quality at Cedia unless the room is completely light controlled, etc. I suggest visting your dealer when they have stock then you can spend some time with the projector.

The majority of projectors I have owned/viewed are not light cannons. Im not sure what you are used to, but I feel comfortable that the light output rivals any 1 chip DLP (with the exception of Infocus, but they sacrifcied CR for lumens.)

The room at Cedia was completely light controlled, but I do agree that we should wait till we can get our hands on the unit to see what it can do with the DI and such.

What version is HDMI, is it 1.3? Thanks!

Apparently not.

I'm using it with a 96" Firehawk with the DI set to auto-recommended and have no problems with the brightness.

Hi Andrew. Thanks for all your impressions and comments so far. I saw this projector at Cedia and was amazed!

One question, are you using high or low lamp mode? If high, is the fan much louder than in low?

I am planning a ceiling mount about 2 feet above my head and from what I saw at the show will probably run in high lamp and was wondering if the fan will be to loud?

Thanks

High lamp mode. The projector is virtually silent in this mode. Very similar to the Ruby. If you have owned any preious projector I do not think you will have any objections with this one.

I have not tried low lamp mode as im not sure what/if any advantage this has?

PS: I am using minimum zoom as well so I am giving up some lumens.

Just make sure you use a real $2k power cord, not a fake one from ebay and you'll be all set.

:D :D :D

I am planning a ceiling mount about 2 feet above my head and from what I saw at the show will probably run in high lamp and was wondering if the fan will be to loud?

Thanks

?? There's no place else you can mount the projector? Yes you will hear it

maybe you should rethink where the projector goes. Like a lilttle further than 2 feet from your head.

Do you think you'll notice if it's bolted to your head? ;)

Thats why there is a high lamp mode. Why wouldnt you use it? The projector is still nearly silent.

I'm still a little suspicious of using Sony's in high lamp mode. With my HS10 I initially used high lamp fairly often, but my bulbs seemed to last 500 hours or so before getting unusably dim. After hearing others report that you shouldn't use high lamp AT ALL to get a decent bulb life I stopped, and now easily go over $2K hours per bulb.

Maybe just an electrical problem with my HS10, but it makes me leery of getting a projector so dim that it needs to stay in high bulb mode - even with a new bulb.

I'm still a little suspicious of using Sony's in high lamp mode. With my HS10 I initially used high lamp fairly often, but my bulbs seemed to last 500 hours or so before getting unusably dim. After hearing others report that you shouldn't use high lamp AT ALL to get a decent bulb life I stopped, and now easily go over $2K hours per bulb.

Maybe just an electrical problem with my HS10, but it makes me leery of getting a projector so dim that it needs to stay in high bulb mode - even with a new bulb.

Like I said previously, most projectors are dim, but you need to see them with your own eyes. I had a Sim2 HT300 Plus which could have been the dimmest of all single chip DLP projectors, but I never had a problem when I was watching it. Now if I had something side by side it would be obvious.

Look at the $20k Marantz for example. The JVC may have more light output, but once again there are many factors to look into (price usually being a major factor). You need to trust your own eyes and make the most informed decision, but I have NEVER heard of any problems using high vs. low lamp modes.

Thanks Tryg for the help :rolleyes: . The reason I was asking is because somebody made the comment that even in high lamp the projector is nearly silent so I was hoping Andrew could say something about that.

The reason I am mounting above my head is to get as close to minimum throw as possible since this is where you get the best brightness. The 2 projectors I have owned before this were in the same place above my head, but in low lamp, and fan noise has never been an issue.

My other option would be to use low lamp, and a HP screen, which at my seating would give me 1.7 gain approx and 1.3 at the worst seat according to my angles and the chart. My screen is only 92" diag though so I dont know if the HP would be too bright at this point.

PS: I am using minimum zoom as well so I am giving up some lumens.

Andrew

Thanks for sharing. I'm new to PJ's by minimum zoom do you mean the maximum or minimum image size ?

Dazzer

It is as far from the screen as possible. If I used the zoom button my picture would be much larger. Does that make sense?

It is as far from the screen as possible. If I used the zoom button my picture would be much larger. Does that make sense?

Thanks.

I think so. If min zoom produces a 50" image and max a 90" for the same throw your at 50". Does increasing the zoom produce a brighter image ?

Dazzer

Hi guys,

So what's the bottom line on the Pearl's lamp?

Is it 2000 hours on low and 500 hours on high?

Does anybody know???


(My setup has 120" diag Dalite HighPower and 18-foot throw. Concerned I need to be on high lamp all the time.)

Thanks.

I think so. If min zoom produces a 50" image and max a 90" for the same throw your at 50". Does increasing the zoom produce a brighter image ?

Dazzer

That is my understanding of how it works.

The 2 projectors I have owned before this were in the same place above my head, but in low lamp, and fan noise has never been an issue.



Then this might not be an issue either. 22 decibles is very quiet.

Is the Pearl 22db in high lamp?

Just make sure you use a real $2k power cord, not a fake one from ebay and you'll be all set.

Keep this garbage out. Please.

Andrew P - I need to know if the Pearl unlike the Ruby, has any downward vertical lens shifting capabilities.

I know the Ruby has a up to 65% image vertical adjustment. But only UP, not down.

Does the Pearl allow you to shift the image DOWN 65% or more?

-SOWK

Keep this garbage out. Please.
Someone missed his posted in that thread...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8435019&&#post8435019

no I got it, if you looked I also posted in that thread.

But back to my questions on the Pearl.

Hi guys,

So what's the bottom line on the Pearl's lamp?

Is it 2000 hours on low and 500 hours on high?

Does anybody know???


(My setup has 120" diag Dalite HighPower and 18-foot throw. Concerned I need to be on high lamp all the time.)

Let's not quote an experience with a completely different and much older projector for what should be expected with this projector. Don't quote this, but just to add another experience, I have a Sony HS-51 and what I have done is use it in low mode for about the first 400 hours and have been using it in high mode the majority of the time from 400 to the current 650 hours I have not noticed much more drop off in the last 250 hours. I am just hoping the bulb will last until I buy a new projector soon.

I too am using a 120" screen but it is a DIY grey screen that is at most a gain of 1. I will move to a High Power or SilverStar and feel that I will have plenty of brightness when I do that. I plan to go view a friends setup on a SilverStar to see if I the texture or sparkles will bother me. The SS provides the most gain with the greatest mounting flexibility but at a cost $.

Please let us know if you end up getting a Pearl, and where you mount it and how you feel about brightness on you 120" HP.

Thanks!

I have a Canon SX-50 (known for its brightness) 16.5 feet behind the screen projecting an image 12 feet left to right (we didn't measure diagonal, naturally it would be more). The brightness is just right for us. Has anybody ever compared the brightness of the SX-50 (or now SX-60) to the Ruby or even now the (comparable) Pearl? I'm wondering if getting the Pearl would be too noticably dimmer.

Andrew P - I need to know if the Pearl unlike the Ruby, has any downward vertical lens shifting capabilities.

I know the Ruby has a up to 65% image vertical adjustment. But only UP, not down.

Does the Pearl allow you to shift the image DOWN 65% or more?

-SOWK

Sony Japan (http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/Peripheral/Projector/distance/vpl_vw50.html?directLink=1_3)

http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/Peripheral/Projector/distance/images/pic_vpl_vw50.gif

For a 100" diagonal screen (2214 x 1245 cm), offset is listed as +/- 809 mm, that is, +/- 65%.

Sony Japan (http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/Peripheral/Projector/distance/vpl_vw50.html?directLink=1_3)

http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/Peripheral/Projector/distance/images/pic_vpl_vw50.gif

For a 100" diagonal screen (2214 x 1245 cm), offset is listed as +/- 809 mm, that is, +/- 65%.


Look at the picture, the lens shift is always going UP!

The Pearl is upside down in the top picture AKA ceiling mounted.

I have the pearl shelf mounted where the top pearl is located, so I need the lens shift to go down not up!

Andrew P - I need to know if the Pearl unlike the Ruby, has any downward vertical lens shifting capabilities.

I know the Ruby has a up to 65% image vertical adjustment. But only UP, not down.

Does the Pearl allow you to shift the image DOWN 65% or more?

-SOWK
I'm a bit confused by this. Are you saying that if you hang the Ruby from the ceiling (up-side down) - you have 65% image vertical adjustment down? Which is good. The way I plan to hang my Pearl. But if you put it on a high shelf (right side up) - you have no vertical lens shift down? So the shelf would have to be even w/ the top of the screen. or lower. First I've heard of this. Good to know.

I have the pearl shelf mounted where the top pearl is located, so I need the lens shift to go down not up!

How about: put the Pearl upside down on the shelf?

Thats what I am trying to find out too.

According to the ruby manual the Ruby only has only vertical shift up and only 65%

SO if shelf mounted it has to be exactly in the middle of the screen, witch is usually only 2 feet above peoples seating position, and that stupid!

Or you can place it in front of you in the middle of the room, on a table and vertical shift the lens up.

I have the Sony HS51 and it has 100% vertical shift up and down.

AKA you can put it anywhere.

as I see it the pearl is almost useless unless it is ceiling mounted.

or you will have to find away to put it upside down on a shelf, witch is what I guess I will have to do.

I am thinking up ideas now, to not make it look stupid.

-SOWK

This is no different from the Ruby or the Qualia 004. If you are mounting it anywhere from the center point of screen height on up, the projector needs to be in the ceiling mount configuration (upside down).

Vern

I agree, the lens shift issue has always been a problem in placement. I wish they would spend a little more thought in how people actually place projectors in a room. Although I would love this projector, it just doesn't work on my shelf.

Look at the picture, the lens shift is always going UP!

The Pearl is upside down in the top picture AKA ceiling mounted.

I have the pearl shelf mounted where the top pearl is located, so I need the lens shift to go down not up!

My God, you're right. Bummer.

I agree, the lens shift issue has always been a problem in placement. I wish they would spend a little more thought in how people actually place projectors in a room. Although I would love this projector, it just doesn't work on my shelf.

I saw a guy in a position similar to yours and he just flipped the pj upside down and mounted it to the underside of the shelf.

Mounting the Pearl or ruby at the top of the screen is no big deal. It needs to be upside down. My Ruby is level with the top of a 120" Hi Power, mounted on top of a pc armoir. At first I was going crazy trying to figure out how to mount it upside down then I said let me just temporarily set it upsidedown on a towel. It worked and looked fine. It has been that way now for 7 months and it works just great. One of these days I'll get a mount and mount it properly. Until then I'll just enjoy. Dont sweat the details, just get it and enjoy the great picture. Life is too short!

Sandy

Does the projector come with the bracket to mount it upside-down, or do you have to buy it separately?

Yeah, just mount it upside down. You can even build a little wooden stand like a board across 2 book-ends so it can be mouned upside down on the stand which then sits comfortably on the shelf. It's not really a complication. I don't know of any projector that can be mounted up above the center of the screen and remain upright with a properly presented image.

"I don't know of any projector that can be mounted up above the center of the screen and remain upright with a properly presented image."

Pan 900 (mine is abou 8" below thye top of a 133" HP) and, I suspect, lots of other LCD's.

is the geometry perfect with no digital keystoning?

no lens shift down bites. When I was playing with the Ruby last week, it seemed like the shift was generous in either direction.

I was going to build the equivilent of a stereo rack and have this on the top where it would be open ventilation all around. I don't think I can mount it upside down inside the rack as it would compromise the airflow siginificantly.

the other thing I've thought about is just raising the back of the pj up about 10-15 degrees and putting a lip on the shelf so it dosn't slide off.
I know there will be keystoning this way, but I have a masking system in place anyway for CH/VW and I've been brainstorming ways to improve it even more once I got this. I think I'll try that first and save mounting it under a shelf as a last resort.

looks like I'll just have to 'make it work' somehow, though nothing is going to be ideal.
I was getting so excited that I never pulled the trigger on the BenQ 8720 and so I have to opportunity to get a higher res pj with a shorter throw so that I can increase my screen size (which to my mind is what should make this a truly satisfying upgrade)- but the fact is the Benq would have been sooooo much easier to place.
This is definitely a monkey wrench in the works now.

oh well...

I was going to build the equivilent of a stereo rack and have this on the top where it would be open ventilation all around. I don't think I can mount it upside down inside the rack as it would compromise the airflow siginificantly.


Mount it upside down to a frame made of sturdy wire mesh. Plenty of airflow. Problem solved!

dave :)

on the other hand, since the bottom edge of the image hits the screen relatively higher to the center of the lens (than I had been anticipating), I may just be able to make the rack not as high- and it should still clear people's (my) head when I'm a couple feet in front of it.

maybe that in conjunction with a very slight back end tilt.


where theres a will...

Quick question please.

With the Pearl's 65% vertical lens shift - how high above the top of the screen can the center of the lens be placed? 15%?

The top of my 106" screen is at 7' 5'' I need the C/L of the projector lens to be at approx 7'10" (This current configuration works w/ my Panny 700 - although the agressive lens shift causes some MC.)

Thanks!

on the other hand, since the bottom edge of the image hits the screen relatively higher to the center of the lens (than I had been anticipating), I may just be able to make the rack not as high- and it should still clear people's (my) head when I'm a couple feet in front of it.

maybe that in conjunction with a very slight back end tilt.


where theres a will...

This solution is one that also has occured to me. The center point of my planned 120" diag screen will be ~51" above the floor, so I can put the pj on a stand right behind our seats that will put the lens ~ 12-15" above our heads (~36" above the floor). This would be perfect for a Dalite High Power screen, and have the Pearl near its shortest throw.

Mount it upside down to a frame made of sturdy wire mesh. Plenty of airflow. Problem solved!

dave :)

I am having a hard time envisioning a sturdy wire mesh that would not shake a little during loud scenes. Maybe it would not be an issue.

Best Regards,
Doug

I already have the wood and a design for it that will match the other racks and cabinets in the room- plus I like wood.

looks like I have to be a little more precise when I plan it- and that the center of the lens (I'm guessing this will be around 3 1/2" high) has to hit center of screen (I guess this would be at max lens shift) or below...but with enough clearance for peoples heads 2' feet in front.

I probably should get some string to do this properly...but I think I can work around this with a bit more concentrated planning.

Could somebody tell me the physical size of the lens? (I'm planning on mounting in a room behind my theater with the lens up against a small opening, and want to check dimensions).

Thanks.

Marc

is the geometry perfect with no digital keystoning?

The 700 certainly is, so I would imagine the 900 is as well since it is based on the same chassis. The image is, however, best in the centre as slight CA can be introduced at shift extremes.

ted

Slight CA? what is that?

Please let us know if you end up getting a Pearl, and where you mount it and how you feel about brightness on you 120" HP.

Had put the Pearl at the top of my list to replace Samsung SPH710AE 720p DLP unit. BTW I had no problem placing the Sammy on top of my backwall shelf.

But having to mount the Pearl upside down on my backwall shelf (6.5' above floor and 18' away from the screen) is bad bad bad ...

The Pearl just moved down a notch on my list because of mounting inflexibility. If the Mits HC5000 doesn't cut it either I may consider the new Panny AX100 mini-canon and upgrade in a year when the 1080 pee's are bug-free.

What a bomber on the Pearl ... Can't believe $1K projectors have better placement features than this $5K Sony job!

Extremely disappointed ...

Oh Pleeeze...

The adjustable offset of the Pearl is more than most other DLP projectors that cost twice its price. It's understandable that every user will have a placement need that might differ and that, as with any projector, the adjustment specs of the Pearl won't accomodate all installations. But let's not deride the design as somehow lacking when, in fact, it affords a very great deal of adjustment (one that exceeds most PJs in its class).

Keep in mind that the more complicated the optical path, the more opportunity for image degradation. Designing a light path that allows for extreeme adjustment yet maintains consistent quality across all settings costs a lot of $$. Most designs compromise quality at one extreme or the other. The Sony is designed with fairly reasonable adjustment/image compromise balance. Hopefully most users will find it's range of adjustment applicable to their installation.

Had put the Pearl at the top of my list to replace Samsung SPH710AE 720p DLP unit. BTW I had no problem placing the Sammy on top of my backwall shelf.

But having to mount the Pearl upside down on my backwall shelf (6.5' above floor and 18' away from the screen) is bad bad bad ...


Extremely disappointed ...

if you can wait a year or even 6 months (I can't), then with your long throw requirement, the JVC sounds perfect for you. a little bit more money maybe, but it sure sounds like its worth it to me.
I'm busting my budget already by even condsidering the pearl, but if the JVC was shipping in Oct, I would be seriously tempted to bust it that much more.
the ability to tweak convergence alone would be worth and extra $1K to me- let alone the better blacks and higher brightness without the DI trade offs.

Slight CA? what is that?

chromatic aboration?

Could somebody tell me the physical size of the lens? (I'm planning on mounting in a room behind my theater with the lens up against a small opening, and want to check dimensions).



how will you accomodate for the vents on the front?

I would be seriously tempted to bust it that much more.
the ability to tweak convergence alone would be worth and extra $1K to me- let alone the better blacks and higher brightness without the DI trade offs.

Wow... the JVC will allow for adjustment of the panels for convergence? That is *sweet*.

"is the geometry perfect with no digital keystoning?"

If you're asking me, yes.

"Slight CA? what is that?"

"chromatic aboration?"

Most everyone who has the Ruby suffers from CA (chromatic adoration).

Can you give us more details on the comparison? Which did you prefer overall and why?

As I stated, the blacks difference was huge but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Two different animals here. Can you say Pearl....

The Mits 5000 also allows bookshelf mounting above the screen with the pj in normal orientation. I don't see how it makes sense to spend this much money for a projector then jury rig some podunk solution. Please don't make light of those of us who appreciate good equipment in a nice theater environment.

how will you accomodate for the vents on the front?

I don't see that as being a problem, based on the pictures I've seen. Anyone know the size?

Marc

OK, thanks guys, I will be mounting under my shelf.

I am going to do all the measurements, and drill holes exactly where The Pearl's mounting holes will be located, and Get the proper bolts, and attach it to my shelf.

Once completed I will take pictures

I first need a PEARL!

Slight CA? what is that?

Chromatic Aberration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration

ted

sorry guys. My spellings skills have always been ab-whore-ant.

I just checked my room and concluded that i will need to do several things to accomdate this pj
1) raise the screen so that the top screen edge is about 5" from the ceiling.
my eye level will now be about 3 " above the bottom edge (screen height will be a constant 45"). Can't say I'm excited to have to look up higher now- I hope this won't prove to be a source of discomfort 6 months down the line
2) the pj will have the center line of its lens about 53" off the ground and the faceplate of the pj itself will be about 25" behind my head at an angle.- unless I start sitting off axis which I would rather not do.
I'm also only going to have about 5-6" of clearence over my head- curious to see how distracting that will be, watching dust motes dance in front of me.
On the other hand, If I table mounted it and then sat off axis, I could go with a lower screen and since its quite a bit bigger than what I have used previously, off-axis may translate as a relatively smaller inconvienence

I may have to give some thought to building the taller rack and then mounting it inverted. I would much rather try to get a lower screen than what I have now, rather than higher as I prefer the sensation of stadium seating.
I think the first thing I do when I get back in October will be to buy some more blackout cloth and make a 50 x 110 screen and then pick up the pj and play around with palcement for a few days with the Pearl on various stands.

building a rack is usually thereputic, but at this point I wish it was going to be more plug and play

Can anyone confirm the HD deinterlacing abilities?

Can anyone confirm the HD deinterlacing abilities?

Not really.

There was one link around here somewhere that seemed to confirm that it at least does IVT on 1080i film based content, but the information didn't seem very "professional" to me (which I commented on at the time), so who knows?

Also, there is absolutely no word on the quality of 1080i video deinterlacing.

Since a few lucky users actually have Pearls at home already, I wonder if some of our processor testing gurus could instruct them on how to conduct a few 1080i deinterlacing tests so we can get some information. Of course, this is all very easy for me to say, since I don't actually have to do any work. :D

I will once I get the PEARL.

Hopefully this week.

I have the Lumagen HDP!

I have the Lumagen HDP!

Does that convert 1080i60 into 1080p24?

wrt placement, I think I'll have to go back to the upside-down-on-a-shelf route I thought I'd left behind when I sold my BenQ 8700.

Yes! 110% properly may I add.

Most think the Sony 60" SXRD A2000 does proper 1080i60 to 108024p

NOPE!

The lumagen made the TV a whole different beast all together. AKA for the Better!

Does that convert 1080i60 into 1080p24?

wrt placement, I think I'll have to go back to the upside-down-on-a-shelf route I thought I'd left behind when I sold my BenQ 8700.


The Lumagen does not output @ 24p yet. 24p may be made available in future software updates. If will output 1080/24PsF (48i).

Does anybody know if the Pearl supports 1080/24PsF ? The Ruby does but it would be great to get some clarity around the Pearl.

Dazzer

I just caught up on the more recent posts in this thread, and it looks like the lack of down lens shift will be a problem. I've got a high power screen, so no go on ceiling mounting. I like my viewing distance right now, so the pj would be jammed up right in front of the couch if I went for the table placement route. Oh well... I was looking forward to picking up this one as my next pj, but I guess I'll have to look toward a panny or mits in my price range.

And why can't you flip the PJ over? That's all the lack of downward lens-shift means... it just needs to go upsidedown when above the center point of the screen.

I'm baffled why this is such a problem for so many folks.

I just caught up on the more recent posts in this thread, and it looks like the lack of down lens shift will be a problem. I've got a high power screen, so no go on ceiling mounting. I like my viewing distance right now, so the pj would be jammed up right in front of the couch if I went for the table placement route. Oh well... I was looking forward to picking up this one as my next pj, but I guess I'll have to look toward a panny or mits in my price range.

If you are not ceiling mounting it, why would you need downward lens shift?

The following images are not sharp but do not need to be to capture what I have to report.

I noticed an issue on day 3 with the Pearl and repeatedly visited the demo to check this out. Now this initial photograph may accentuate the color uniformity problem a little, but I believe the others do a pretty good job of depicting what the effect was on more typical bright images.

http://home.earthink.net/~danrapp/Pearl/Pearl White Field.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~danrapp/Pearl/Pearl I.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~danrapp/Pearl/Pearl II.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~danrapp/Pearl/Pearl III.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~danrapp/Pearl/Pearl IV.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~danrapp/Pearl/Pearl V.jpg

The sales rep, who unfortunately did not seem to be the most knowledgeable of many who circulated through the demo, stated that "That's what you get going from Xenon to UHP" and that "We're just getting to know what's up with this product - it's brand new, and finally "This is a prototype - it doesn't have a serial number."

Heat may have been an issue and Joseph Chen of Cinetron, who I talked to about the LCoS/SXRD pitfall of color uniformity problems, agreed that heat might have been an issue. I'd guess this was the case as the problem seemed to be more prominent on day 3 compared to day 2 of the show, after the pj had been used for many consecutive hours. The pj was mounted near the ceiling and we were at 5000+ feet in Denver. The pj seemed much brighter to me on day 3 of the show and they confirmed they had the lamp on high altitude mode. They also said they'd had it on that mode from day 1.

The issue here is QC and Sony's policy on fixing this should it arise in a customer's pj. The rep said, "We wouldn't replace the projector. We'd service it under the warranty." Not clear was Sony's policy on how "un-uniform" colors need to be to be out of spec. It'd be good to get an answer to that in writing before getting this pj.

Otherwise, for me my pj of choice from the show - and cost is a factor - was between the Pearl and the Cinetron HD900 at this show, although a lens-shift featured single chip 1080p DLP might do the job with a High Power.

Dan

The following images are not sharp but do not need to be to capture what I have to report.


Otherwise, for me my pj of choice from the show - and cost is a factor - was between the Pearl and the Cinetron HD900 at this show, although a lens-shift featured single chip 1080p DLP might do the job with a High Power.

Dan

I checked my Pearl on an all white screen and had none of the issues you described.

Interesting...

So is the speculation that degraded color uniformity may arise due to excessive heat as a result of prolonged usage on high-altitude mode, or that color uniformity could be an concern even under "normal" usage?

If you are not ceiling mounting it, why would you need downward lens shift?

To get good gain out of the hp screen, I currently have my pj on a stand around 55" high. The lens is almost lined up with the center of the screen and is about 1.5' above my head.

The following images are not sharp but do not need to be to capture what I have to report.

I noticed an issue on day 3 with the Pearl and repeatedly visited the demo to check this out. Now this initial photograph may accentuate the color uniformity problem a little, but I believe the others do a pretty good job of depicting what the effect was on more typical bright images.


http://home.earthlink.net/~danrapp/Pearl/Pearl I.jpg




Dan
These are exactly the kinds of uniformity problems that were very common in the SXRD XBR1 RPTVs last year. That green patch that you see is what many have called "the green blob," although on the RPTVs it was often much more pronounced that this.

There has been speculation that a technician could use 3D gamma adjustments to minimize some of the color discontinuity issues, but for some reason Sony always seems to resort to replacing the optical block, so maybe that is the only fix on the RPTVs -- I don't really know.

Either way, I truly hate to see these green and purple blobs on this product. These have been the bane of the RPTVs, and the only reason I didn't buy one last year. In fact, it is the one problem with Sony's LCOS implementation that seems to keep rearing its ugly head.

People say that color discontinuity was not a problem on the Ruby (nor was it a problem on the Qualia 004 or 006), so perhaps there is some difference in construction or QC on their lower end units? Heck, I have no idea. But this is very unfortunate, and I'll be watching this very closely.

If green and purple blobs start popping up on these things, we will all know about it within the next couple of months. And then, God forbid, this projector forum is going to start looking an awful lot like the RPTV forum, with thread after thread dealing with the flippin' green blob.

Let's hope that doesn't happen. Although I imagine that JVC would love it.

P.S.

Contrary to what the technician said, these green/purple blobs are not related to the UHP bulb specifically. Although heat does seem to play a part. Dr. Raymond Soneira of Displaymate technologies actually wrote a very nice post in the RPTV forum several months ago explaining these purple and green bugaboos.

To get good gain out of the hp screen, I currently have my pj on a stand around 55" high. The lens is almost lined up with the center of the screen and is about 1.5' above my head.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think you'll be ok shelf mounting the Pearl anywhere below the center of the screen. Am I reading that diagram wrong? If so, I'm in trouble too. I also have a HP screen, and I have a 42" half-wall directly behind my theater seats that my current PJ (Panny 700) is sitting on.

http://www.pbase.com/tbacos/theater

Interesting...

So is the speculation that degraded color uniformity may arise due to excessive heat as a result of prolonged usage on high-altitude mode, or that color uniformity could be an concern even under "normal" usage?That's one important question. Another is would this happen with repeated shorter panel exposures to heat. Quality control of panels installed is important.

The bottom line important question is what will your dealer or Sony do if you notice some color uniformity problems that are bothersome for you and want it fixed?

Dan

These are exactly the kinds of uniformity problems that were very common in the SXRD XBR1 RPTVs last year. That green patch that you see is what many have called "the green blob," although on the RPTVs it was often much more pronounced that this.

There has been speculation that a technician could use 3D gamma adjustments to minimize some of the color discontinuity issues, but for some reason Sony always seems to resort to replacing the optical block, so maybe that is the only fix on the RPTVs -- I don't really know.

Either way, I truly hate to see these green and purple blobs on this product. These have been the bane of the RPTVs, and the only reason I didn't buy one last year. In fact, it is the one problem with Sony's LCOS implementation that seems to keep rearing it's ugly head.

People say that color discontinuity was not a problem on the Ruby (nor was it a problem on the Qualia 004 or 006), so perhaps there is some difference in construction or QC on their lower end units? Heck, I have no idea. But this is very unfortunate, and I'll be watching this very closely.

If green and purple blobs start popping up on these things, we will all know about it within the next couple of months. And then, God forbid, this projector forum is going to start looking an awful lot like the RPTV forum, with thread after thread dealing with the flippin' green blob.

Let's hope that happens. Although I imagine that JVC would love it.I saw all those threads and hoped the fp's would be immune to the problem. Except for the corner brightness non-uniformity I hadn't heard of color issues in the Ruby or higher end SXRD RPTVs comparable to the green blob described in the RPTV threads.

The Pearl is smaller and still quiet and I wonder if its heat diffusing capacity is different from the Ruby. I arrived at CEDIA on day 2 and did not notice the issue with the Pearl that day. It might have not been as present or I simply may not have noticed it.

I saw no color uniformity issues on any of the many SXRD RPTVs on display at the Sony booth, even in the lower end ones. I didn't see it in the Ruby.

This is disturbing for me because I really think the Pearl put out one of the best images at the show. Brightness was initially a concern for me but on the second day it looked like it'd be very acceptable with a High Power and viewing setup close to on-axis. It was also had by far the blackest black for a fp IMO at CEDIA with no brighter corners at black, although some of the fp displays did not have blackout conditions. The simultaneous contrast looked very good to me. Colors looked different from DLPs, probably a bit oversaturated but very seductive, as Greg Rogers pointed out in his Ruby review. I was sold on this pj or the Cinetron. But production and distribution for the Cinetron are not absolutely certain.

Dan

To get good gain out of the hp screen, I currently have my pj on a stand around 55" high. The lens is almost lined up with the center of the screen and is about 1.5' above my head.

So why can't you mount it upsidedown on the underside of a shelf if it needs to be above the center line of the screen to get over the heads of your viewers? if it can be just a few inches lower (center or lower), then it could stay upright. Will that work?

Has anyone yet tried a Pearl on a larger screen than most reported on so far, e.g., 120" diag or larger? I presume that one would need a HighPower screen for these sizes, but it would be good to hear some actual results. TIA

I saw all those threads and hoped the fp's would be immune to the problem. Except for the corner brightness non-uniformity I hadn't heard of color issues in the Ruby or higher end SXRD RPTVs comparable to the green blob described in the RPTV threads.

The Pearl is smaller and still quiet and I wonder if its heat diffusing capacity is different from the Ruby. I arrived at CEDIA on day 2 and did not notice the issue with the Pearl that day. It might have not been as present or I simply may not have noticed it.

I saw no color uniformity issues on any of the many SXRD RPTVs on display at the Sony booth, even in the lower end ones. I didn't see it in the Ruby.

This is disturbing for me because I really think the Pearl put out one of the best images at the show. Brightness was initially a concern for me but on the second day it looked like it'd be very acceptable with a High Power and viewing setup close to on-axis. It was also had by far the blackest black for a fp IMO at CEDIA with no brighter corners at black, although some of the fp displays did not have blackout conditions. The simultaneous contrast looked very good to me. Colors looked different from DLPs, probably a bit oversaturated but very seductive, as Greg Rogers pointed out in his Ruby review. I was sold on this pj or the Cinetron. But production and distribution for the Cinetron are not absolutely certain.

Dan

Looks like when you quoted my previous post, I had yet to correct the typo that said "Let's hope that happens." That really should read "Let's hope that doesn't happen."

The only reason I point that out is because green blob conversations can start riots in certain forums, and I don't want anyone thinking that I actually want this to happen! :D

Can anybody tell me the length of the Pearl's power cord? I am trying to figure out mounting possibilities and this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Can anybody tell me the length of the Pearl's power cord? I am trying to figure out mounting possibilities and this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Since it is a detachable cord, it does not matter how long it is. you can use any cord you want as long as it is rated to handle the current draw, just to be safe I'd recommend a 12 gauge one which should be the size of your power outlet wire as well.

The only reason I point that out is because green blob conversations can start riots in certain forums, and I don't want anyone thinking that I actually want this to happen! :DYou aren't kidding about the riots. I just want buyers - and I still may be one of them - to be forewarned about the potential issue and have a plan with the dealer or Sony should it arise.

Dan

So why can't you mount it upsidedown on the underside of a shelf if it needs to be above the center line of the screen to get over the heads of your viewers? if it can be just a few inches lower (center or lower), then it could stay upright. Will that work?

Oops...that was a misunderstanding on my part. You and tbacos are right. The unshifted position should work for me. I thought initially that the 0 degree setting resulted in a projected light cone with the bottom edge parallel to the floor. If the center of the cone can line up with the lens axis, then it's ok.

I noticed this color uniformity issue when looking at a picture posted on the Ultimate Home Theater CEDIA blog. I guess this is the same thing known as "shading" in the cine4home review. They didn't notice any w/ their pre-production sample. But it sure looks bad in these Day 3 pictures. Geeeze. A B&W film would be unwatchable. Strange that it wasn't noticed on day 1 or 2. Gotta be a bad projector. Or a combination of high altitude and excessive heat. But yes - we need to be forewarned that this could be a potential problem. My Panny 700 sufers from shading issues - part of the reason I want to upgrade it.

My Panny 700 sufers from shading issues - part of the reason I want to upgrade it.


Ditto. Along with gray blacks.

And constant dust blobs, despite my Lady Macbeth-like attention to cleanliness around my projector.

Oh, and lack of sharpness due to resolution and smooth-screen.

Oh, and vertical banding.

Oh, and my this GOD-FORSAKEN forum that sucks the life out of me and the money out of my wallet every 2 years or so when I am foolish enough to ask myself "wonder what's goin on over at AVS?" and hit a bookmark.

Sorry...I blacked out there for a minute.

-tony

I'm also very interested in the Pearl. Keep in mind that the "green blob" of the 2005 SXRD's on the larger majority of sets dissipated several minutes after power-up. Assuming the Pearl was not just turned on when the pictures were taken, the pictures indicate that what ever was there remained well after warm-up of the projector. BTW, the pictures do not look anything like the green blob. Unless it is my computer screen, I am seeing what appears to be concentric circles on the white screen (besides color un-evenness on the other pictures).

I noticed this color uniformity issue when looking at a picture posted on the Ultimate Home Theater CEDIA blog. I guess this is the same thing known as "shading" in the cine4home review. They didn't notice any w/ their pre-production sample. But it sure looks bad in these Day 3 pictures. Geeeze. A B&W film would be unwatchable. Strange that it wasn't noticed on day 1 or 2. Gotta be a bad projector. Or a combination of high altitude and excessive heat. But yes - we need to be forewarned that this could be a potential problem. My Panny 700 sufers from shading issues - part of the reason I want to upgrade it.

Could somebody explain the relevance of "high altitude" (or point me to an answer)? Is there a setting on the Ruby/Pearl for this? What altitude is considered "high"?

Thanks.

Marc

Keep in mind that the "green blob" of the 2005 SXRD's on the larger majority fo sets dissipated several minutes after power-up. Assuming the Pearl was not just turned on when the pictures were taken, the pictures indicate that what ever was there remained well after warm-up of the projector. BTW, the pictures do not look anything like the green blob. Unless it is my computer screen, I am seeing what appears to be concentric circles on the white screen (besides color un-evenness on the other pictures).

The last thing I want to do is turn this thread into one of the manic green-blob free-for-alls that have permeated the RPTV forum for the last year, so I will preface this by saying that these pictures may not indicate any real cause for alarm. This is a very imporant point.

But to counter your point, the "green blob" hysteria in the RPTV forum did not result from sets on which a green blob disspitated a few minutes after warm up. The hysteria resulted from persistent or lingering discolorations. Of course, I freely admit that we do not know how many sets were truly defective, but here I am defining defective as a set that does not exhibit typical warm-up discoloration but rather a persistent, distracting discoloration visible in live picture material. I personally know of multiple people who had to return their XBR 2 and 3 times and still could not get a set that did not exhibit such discoloration. Furthermore, I saw it with my own eyes on several "warmed up" sets at local big-box retailers. Given my own experiences, combined with anecdotal evidence in the RPTV forum, I do not require hard data (which we will never have) regarding the number of defective units to be wary of potential issues.

It is also worth noting that the blobs came in many shapes, sizes and locations. In this case, we have a green discoloration in one corner and a purple discoloration in another. Whether or not this discoloration varies in shape or size from many of those reported elsewhere does not distract from the fact that it does appear to be the same type of discoloration (i.e. a green hue present on the screen in live material). Purple and green are the most common LCOS discolorations due to the nature of the technology, as explained by Dr. Raymond Soneira several months ago, for reasons that place no restrictions upon the size and location of the discolorations.

And why can't you flip the PJ over? That's all the lack of downward lens-shift means... it just needs to go upsidedown when above the center point of the screen.

I'm baffled why this is such a problem for so many folks.

I don't think it's that easy to do. For example when I look at the Pearl I don't see a set of 4 legs (or feet) on the top side of the box that would enable you to turn it upside down and still keep it on the top side of the shelf. The way the Pearl box is shaped currently, it looks like we would need a specialized cradle to fit the "flipped" Pearl on the top side of a shelf.

The reason why it's important for me NOT to mount it UNDER the shelf is because it would then be hanging inches away above the heads of people on the second row.

This is not a trivial issue ... at least for some of us.

I don't think it's that easy to do. For example when I look at the Pearl I don't see a set of 4 legs (or feet) on the top side of the box that would enable you to turn it upside down and still keep it on the top side of the shelf. The way the Pearl box is shaped currently, it looks like we would need a specialized cradle to fit the "flipped" Pearl on the top side of a shelf.

That is true. For example, the BenQ 8700 was very easy to mount upside down on a shelf because it was a rectangular box design. You only need to fix some makeshift feet and you were good to go. The oblong shape of the Pearl makes it very very difficult.

I see a market opportunity there...

The reason why it's important for me NOT to mount it UNDER the shelf is because it would then be hanging inches away above the heads of people on the second row.

This is not a trivial issue ... at least for some of us.

In my case, on the shelf is preferred because my wife has stated she wants to see as little of the projector as possible. :p

on the other hand, since the bottom edge of the image hits the screen relatively higher to the center of the lens (than I had been anticipating), I may just be able to make the rack not as high- and it should still clear people's (my) head when I'm a couple feet in front of it.

To me (and its just one guys opinion) the only acceptable mounting options would be;

Upsidedown ceiling mount anywhere it wont block view,

Even with-or in front of the first row, as low as possible (and only if no one will ever have to walk in front of it while in use).

In the rear of the room, shelf mounted, higher than a standing persons head (thus upsidedown in most cases).

Any other mounting option risks having people block the projected image if they get up for a drink/snack/bathroom break, or having shadow puppets whenever anyone stretches their arms above their head...

Ditto. Along with gray blacks.

And constant dust blobs, despite my Lady Macbeth-like attention to cleanliness around my projector.

Oh, and lack of sharpness due to resolution and smooth-screen.

Oh, and vertical banding.

Oh, and my this GOD-FORSAKEN forum that sucks the life out of me and the money out of my wallet every 2 years or so when I am foolish enough to ask myself "wonder what's goin on over at AVS?" and hit a bookmark.

Sorry...I blacked out there for a minute.

-tony
And for me the worst offender of all ...FPN! (I watched Eight Below last night - didn't know there was so much dirty snow in Antartica!)

What do you think of a 126" diag. microperfed Firehawk with the Pearl? My calcs show the Pearl producing about 10fL.

What do you think of a 126" diag. microperfed Firehawk with the Pearl? My calcs show the Pearl producing about 10fL.


I think thats really pushing it and you will be slightly unhappy with the brightness.

What do you think of a 126" diag. microperfed Firehawk with the Pearl? My calcs show the Pearl producing about 10fL.

How did you get 10fL? Sounds like you were using around 400+/- lumens? (Using 1.25x for the screen , 45 sqft of screen, and oh-so-fallible in-brain calculator)

Marc

I am going to mount the Pearl on the ceiling toward the back of the room. I am going to have to fish the ceiling and walls to get any needed connections. I'd like to get your thoughts on what to run. 1 HDMI?, 2? Anything else?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

I am going to mount the Pearl on the ceiling toward the back of the room. I am going to have to fish the ceiling and walls to get any needed connections. I'd like to get your thoughts on what to run. 1 HDMI?, 2? Anything else?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

I'm running 2 HDMI cables, 1 component, and 1 S-Video. The HDMI's are for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players, component is for all-region PAL/NTSC Denon 2900 player and the S-Video is for my on-screen display for my Outlaw pre-amp. Plus of course you need your power cable. I didn't want to use any switchers.

Unless I missed it, the Optoma HD81 was not mentioned once in this thread. Having been at Cedia, I find that surprising. The HD81 is a couple of grand more expensive than the Pearl, but I would have thought that it would have been mentioned as an alternative. With the excellent scaler in the HD81 it probably competes well against the Pearl plus an external scaler (would even up the price).

Also on the Ruby and the Pearl, did Sony just decide to not compete for customers pursuing large 120"+ screen sizes? The Pearl has a beautiful picture, but everyone warns not to go with large screens, unless you start jacking up the gain of the screen.

I posted on the HD81 board as well. I left CEDIA so impressed with both projectors. Considering when I started building my house I assumed I would have to pay $10K for this quality of projector, it's hard not to smile if you are an enthusiast.

I'm going with a 123" screen so I am leaning towards the HD81 (for other reasons as well, not the least of which is the two piece design, vertical offset (good for my high ceilings), and excellent scaler and light output.

If I was doing a 100" screen it would be hard not to buy the Pearl. Who would have thought $5K could buy such a beautiful projector.

I hope some one knows this but what Screw or bolt size is the holes on the actuall projector, that I need to make my own Mount?

So I guess there is No way in the world the Pearl can handle a 12' wide 2.35:1 screen with a 1.2 gain in a light controlled room. I guess some of these manufactures build these PJs for 100" screens. I was hoping to replace my Optoma H-79, I guess the JVC or the HD-81 is my next option?

Ruben

So I guess there is No way in the world the Pearl can handle a 12' wide 2.35:1 screen with a 1.2 gain in a light controlled room. I guess some of these manufactures build these PJs for 100" screens. I was hoping to replace my Optoma H-79, I guess the JVC or the HD-81 is my next option?

Ruben

I suggest you find a dealer and let your eyes determine if it works on that screen size or not. Or you can wait for the Diamond.

The Mits 5000 also allows bookshelf mounting above the screen with the pj in normal orientation. I don't see how it makes sense to spend this much money for a projector then jury rig some podunk solution. Please don't make light of those of us who appreciate good equipment in a nice theater environment.
Are you sure the Mits 5000 can be bookshelf mounted above the screen right side up? I'm looking at the http://global.mitsubishielectric.com/bu/projectors/products/homeuse/hc5000/calculat_b.html
calculation page and it's not clear to me. Are you sure it doesn't have to be upside down when it's above mid-screen?

I asked that in the Mits thread and Bill Miller was kind enough to reply:

Quote:
Originally Posted by jkirk
Does anyone know if the Mits has to be turned upside down for a rear shelf mount installation. John



No.

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Bill Miller

I asked that in the Mits thread and Bill Miller was kind enough to reply:

Quote:
Originally Posted by jkirk
Does anyone know if the Mits has to be turned upside down for a rear shelf mount installation. John



No.

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Bill Miller

The basis of my 'no'--i.e., that the Mits doesn't have to be inverted--was based on the figure from the Mits site referenced above. I assumed that the pj at the top of the figure was 'right side up', implying that the pj does not have to be inverted. If the pj at the top is inverted, though, my 'no' is not correct. And I admit that it is not clear whether the pj at the top is 'right side up', or 'upside down'.

I was planning on getting a pearl and matching it with a 16x9 120'' 1.2 gain SMX Soundscreen. From my Calculations and the recent review of the unit, at:

700 Lumens = 20.9 FtL
580 Lumens = 17.3 FtL

Is this correct? I understand this is with a new bulb, but for the $300 price of a new one I figure I can replace it every year until I buy a new PJ so that is not an issue.

This is all asuming my calculations are correct ofcoarse.

I was planning on getting a pearl and matching it with a 16x9 120'' 1.2 gain SMX Soundscreen. From my Calculations and the recent review of the unit, at:

700 Lumens = 20.9 FtL
580 Lumens = 17.3 FtL

Is this correct? I understand this is with a new bulb, but for the $300 price of a new one I figure I can replace it every year until I buy a new PJ so that is not an issue.

This is all asuming my calculations are correct ofcoarse.

Your calculations are correct.

The only scholarly article I found related to light output of UHP bulbs indicates that they tend to maintain output better than posts here would indicate. Based on my reading, I'd expect maybe a 15% decrease in output over 500 hours on a 2000 hour bulb. But that's just the one article. Any other evidence?

Marc

So I guess there is No way in the world the Pearl can handle a 12' wide 2.35:1 screen with a 1.2 gain in a light controlled room. I guess some of these manufactures build these PJs for 100" screens. I was hoping to replace my Optoma H-79, I guess the JVC or the HD-81 is my next option?

Ruben

If the Pearl does not work out for you with the screen you have, I would highly recommend you take a look at the HD-81. It produced a stunning picture on a 170" scope screen at the Optoma display. From what I saw at the Sony display of the Pearl, I would not go larger than about 106", unless you have a screen with higher gain like a HP.

Again, excuse my ignorance (I'm obviously new to the world of front projectors), but would the Pearl work well with a Carada 100in (diagonal) Brilliant White (1.4 Gain) screen? I would be mounting the PJ on the ceiling with 11 feet between the screen and the Pearl's lens.

Would that setup be ok? The room has pretty good (but not total) light control (drapes designed to block all light).

Again, excuse my ignorance (I'm obviously new to the world of front projectors), but would the Pearl work well with a Carada 100in (diagonal) Brilliant White (1.4 Gain) screen? I would be mounting the PJ on the ceiling with 11 feet between the screen and the Pearl's lens.

Would that setup be ok? The room has pretty good (but not total) light control (drapes designed to block all light).


Yes. It will look great.

I hope some one knows this but what Screw or bolt size is the holes on the actuall projector, that I need to make my own Mount?

It is the standard Sony mount layout they have used for as long as I can remember, didn't you have an HS51? If so, you can use that mount.

I am a little OCD, so I didn't want to move the projector from its perfect spot on the shelf, but I did, and Any 1/4" bolt will work!

I will be mounting underneath my shelf for the Pearl

I really hope this projector is perfect as I plan on keeping it for over 5 years.

This color uniformity problem better be fixed with retail versions.

-SOWK

Could somebody explain the relevance of "high altitude" (or point me to an answer)? Is there a setting on the Ruby/Pearl for this? What altitude is considered "high"?

Thanks.

Marc


The Ruby has this setting, not sure on the Pearl. It increases fan speed with a slight increase in fan noise and theoretically longer lamp life due to increased air flow. I have had my Ruby set to high altitude since day one and cannot hear the fan, it will depend on where it is in relation to the seating area and how large your room is.

The Mitsubishi appears to have powered lens shift:

http://global.mitsubishielectric.com/bu/projectors/products/homeuse/hc5000/index_b.html

I assume this means that you don't have to mount it upsdide down, although they don't list the exact values of vertical and horizontal shift (and whether vertical means both up and down).

Everyone I get the Projector WED, as long as FED-EX leaves it, I will be at work.

1. I will check 1080i 60 (HD-DVD) input if it does proper 1080p 24
2. I will check for any color uniformity problems
3. I will check for any VBing
4. I will check absolute black levels compaired to a Tweaked 51A
5. I will check for 1:1 Pixel Mapping through VGA and HDMI
6. I will check for any Panel Driver issues


-SOWK

I am a little OCD, so I didn't want to move the projector from its perfect spot on the shelf, but I did, and Any 1/4" bolt will work!

I will be mounting underneath my shelf for the Pearl

I really hope this projector is perfect as I plan on keeping it for over 5 years.

This color uniformity problem better be fixed with retail versions.

-SOWK

Good luck getting a "perfect" projector :)
But I agree that the color uniformity (shading) issue is a huge concern for me too. More so than any convergence issues.

But the 2 AVS'ers who have Pearls so far seem to be elated w/ their units. So that's a good sign. Hope to be joining them real soon!

Well the benefit of me getting the projector, is that I am a lot more picky, and anal about my picture quality then most, even including some of the elite AVS videophile members. I am very excited about getting it, but, at the same time I am not biased on reviews just because I spent money on something. I will tell it like it is, and if the projector has faults I will rip it open on the forums like I did with the Crappy up only vertical lens shift issue.

So that my first complaint.

1. (UP) only vertical lens shift.

I'll keep a running total of Positives, and Negatives about the Projector.

I'm running 2 HDMI cables, 1 component, and 1 S-Video. The HDMI's are for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players, component is for all-region PAL/NTSC Denon 2900 player and the S-Video is for my on-screen display for my Outlaw pre-amp. Plus of course you need your power cable. I didn't want to use any switchers.
Is there a reason not to use a switcher?

no

I had a chance to see this new PJ.

I was not entirely impressed.:( For whatever reason, it looked washed out.

In one of the demo section, it looked much better. Without question their choice of source material was less than ideal. The proof to me that there was a source material issue was that at least some materal that looked a lot better. Still not even close to beautiful.

I pulled aside the Sony rep to ask him why the colors looked washed out. He said that the PJ setting were "optimized" for both a dark and light room conditions. I suppose he should know.

I tried to have him apply a percentage of how close the Pearl was to the Ruby. After thinking about it, he said "very close". I said, "pull a percentage out of your head". He said 98% of the Ruby.

I saw it on Thursday. I asked the opinion of another person next to me and asked if it was just me or were the colors all washed out. He agreed. Potentially it was fixed later in the show.

Did anyone else see this "washedout" colors??? SOmething must have been wrong with the settings or source material because the picture was not acceptable to my eye. The Sony guy agreed as he blamed it on the settings. That very well may be true especially if it really is 98% of the Ruby.

The colors looked amazing when I saw it, not washed out in the least.

Look forward to your review SOWK!

I had a chance to see this new PJ.

I was not entirely impressed.:( For whatever reason, it looked washed out.

In one of the demo section, it looked much better. Without question their choice of source material was less than ideal. The proof to me that there was a source material issue was that at least some materal that looked a lot better. Still not even close to beautiful.

I pulled aside the Sony rep to ask him why the colors looked washed out. He said that the PJ setting were "optimized" for both a dark and light room conditions. I suppose he should know.

I tried to have him apply a percentage of how close the Pearl was to the Ruby. After thinking about it, he said "very close". I said, "pull a percentage out of your head". He said 98% of the Ruby.

I saw it on Thursday. I asked the opinion of another person next to me and asked if it was just me or were the colors all washed out. He agreed. Potentially it was fixed later in the show.

Did anyone else see this "washedout" colors??? SOmething must have been wrong with the settings or source material because the picture was not acceptable to my eye. The Sony guy agreed as he blamed it on the settings. That very well may be true especially if it really is 98% of the Ruby.
I wonder if someone opened the iris.

The colors looked amazing when I saw it, not washed out in the least.


Toe, I heard that one setup looked better of the two with the Pearl. But from the detailed cine4home review, we know the Pearl is only 85% of the Ruby. :cool:

Lookng forward to hearing from more happy user reports in the comfort of home.
:p

Thank you all for your help with my Pearl-related inquiries so far! I am now curious as to my options for mounting. What are my options for a relatively simple ceiling mount? I do not have the luxuy of putting hardware above the sheetrock, as I live in a rented appartment.

What are my mounting options for using the existing ceiling? Can I simply use a studfinder and mount with two wood screws? (or do I need some sort of plate that will span the distance between two studs?) If so, what are the best (and cheapest) mounts for this PJ?

Thank you so much in advance! This forum is an incredible learing resource!

DANG! There goes my new pj. My Z3 needs a new transmission ($4300) Anybody know where I can get the Pearl for $700 :(

Wolfie