The The official Cedia Cinetron HD-900 1080p LCOS projector thread ! (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=627322&page=1&pp=30) was getting long. Lots of good info. The thread has been closed to make room for new current information from the show.
Please post all releated information to this thread.


Thank you.

I'll be interested in a review of the FP if anyone has seen it.

Are Cinetron at the show?

Yes, I believe that they are suppossed to be at the Silicon Optix booth. Quotes from the old thread of drapp and Swchen follow.

Best Regards,
Doug

From the closed thread...


Quote:
Originally Posted by drapp1952
CEDIA

Place: Denver Center of the Performing Arts – Seawell Ballroom
Time: September 14 ~ 17, 2006

Dan


Hi Dan:

Thanks for the posting the place for us. Yes, we'll be here with Silicon Optix. If anyone is coming to CEDIA, please make sure you have schedule for us. We just hook up the projector. I think we won't let you down. Come and visit us here.

SWChen

Saw it. Looked good. See my Day 2 post going up shortly.

Place: Denver Center of the Performing Arts – Seawell Ballroom


OK, that explains why I could'nt find it at Cedia today - it's in a different building. I will take a look at it tomorrow.

Jason, how did it look compared to the Pearl?

Brighter than the Pearl, a bit softer but I believe it was out of focus. More money and less features which could prove to be an issue.

Saw this today with Jason and Cain. Looked very good, like all of the LCOS 3 chip 1080p projectors at CEDIA. (JVC, Sony).
I have been a DLP 'fanboy' ever since I joined AVS, but I have to admit these new LCOS projectors have me drooling. Especially at the prices they are coming in at. WOW.
Only downside that I could see was that currently there is no vertical lense shift on this version of the projector. Ouch! :eek:
Hopefully Cinetron will take heed and release a version in the future with vertical lense shift. Are you listening SWChen??

BTW I want to thank SWChen ( I am assuming he was giving us the demo) for his hospitality during the demo.

Jason
Will Cinetron have higher sharpness than Pearl when in perfect focus?
How big an advantage does Cinetron have in video processing over Pearl.
What about 24p compatability?

Only downside that I could see was that currently there is no vertical lense shift on this version of the projector. Ouch! :eek:
Hopefully Cinetron will take heed and release a version in the future with vertical lense shift. Are you listening SWChen??

BTW I want to thank SWChen ( I am assuming he was giving us the demo) for his hospitality during the demo.

Hi Keith:

Thanks for came by yesterday. I just have my ears cleaned and I can hear you out loud! Lens shift is not only the trend but the demand from our customers. That's the way we are heading. Thanks.!

Jason
Will Cinetron have higher sharpness than Pearl when in perfect focus?
How big an advantage does Cinetron have in video processing over Pearl.
What about 24p compatability?

Hi Ohlson and Jason:

I was not aware of that yesterday. Becuase the projector was place on a carton (wrapped with black drapes), the projector could have been shifted. I'll check that again today.

Another possibility I can think of is the keystone. In order to make the projector fit with the screen (it's a FireHawk, arranged by Silicon Optix.), we have to lift the projector lens to the center of the screen. Therefore, we used keystone to correct the angle a little bit.

Jason
Will Cinetron have higher sharpness than Pearl when in perfect focus?
How big an advantage does Cinetron have in video processing over Pearl.
What about 24p compatability?

Ohlson:

Silicon Optix is demoing their famous Jaggies tests (HD version, beta) in the ballroom. The reference is a Sony plasma. The result is quite obvious. They also invited Sony people to see the demo. Sony engineers were just like.. :(

Brighter than the Pearl, a bit softer but I believe it was out of focus. More money and less features which could prove to be an issue.

Hi Jason:

We set the Iris at 65% On position.

Hi Jason:

We set the Iris at 65% On position.



How many Lumen @D65 with that setting?

How many Lumen @D65 with that setting?

Close to 800 lumens.

Jason
Will Cinetron have higher sharpness than Pearl when in perfect focus?
How big an advantage does Cinetron have in video processing over Pearl.
What about 24p compatability?

Ohlson:

Forgot to anser the 24P compatablility question. The projector won't output at 24P. Will take 24P.

SWChen

Thats for taking the time to participate on the forum. We look forward to your new projector. Looks very exciting and promising. Another winner to the Lcos line up :)

SWChen

Thats for taking the time to participate on the forum. We look forward to your new projector. Looks very exciting and promising. Another winner to the Lcos line up :)

Alan:

Thanks. When were you here?

Will the projector ouput 48p from 24p input?

Will the projector ouput 48p from 24p input?

The projector output is fixed at 60p.

The projector output is fixed at 60p.Can we assume then that you are not planning on selling this in Europe? Or will it also output 50p?

Can we assume then that you are not planning on selling this in Europe? Or will it also output 50p?
Considering a lot of Asia uses 50Hz, not having it would be a pretty silly idea, so I'd say it will.

Can we assume then that you are not planning on selling this in Europe? Or will it also output 50p?

We'll sell the projector in Europe. The internal Silicon Optix Realta video chip converts 50p material to 60p.

It may do, but not without motion judder... Ditto for 24fps material output at 60Hz.

Hmm - showing 25fps 2:2 material at 60Hz will look ugly :(

Hmm - showing 25fps 2:2 material at 60Hz will look ugly :(


And 24p material only shown at 60Hz sounds like typical 3:2 Pulldown = no use of feeding 24p

No 1080 24? I think this is important for HD/Blu-Ray.

We'll sell the projector in Europe. The internal Silicon Optix Realta video chip converts 50p material to 60p.I strongly recommend you to try and find a way for 50Hz output if you plan to sell more than a few projectors in Europe!

Ditto 24, 48, 72 or 96Hz for all markets.

We'll sell the projector in Europe. The internal Silicon Optix Realta video chip converts 50p material to 60p.
That's a really, really bad idea...

Here's the link to my thread in which I talk about my conversations with Joseph Chen of Cinetron and give my impressions of the pj. Screenshots are included.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=725887

Dan

Considering a lot of Asia uses 50Hz, not having it would be a pretty silly idea, so I'd say it will.

Hi guys:

Just took a long trip back from US. I made a clarification with our engineer. I think I misunderstood what they told me. :o

For 50Hz source, the output will be switched to 50Hz. Apologize for the incorrect information.

That's excellent news. Thanks for the clarification.

Ditto 24, 48, 72 or 96Hz for all markets.

48Hz sounds more possible but the change would take a bit of efforts. We'll try to see if we can complete that before we make the shipments.

Here's the link to my thread in which I talk about my conversations with Joseph Chen of Cinetron and give my impressions of the pj. Screenshots are included.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=725887

Dan

Wow! Dan thanks for report. :eek:

Hi guys:

Just took a long trip back from US. I made a clarification with our engineer. I think I misunderstood what they told me. :o

For 50Hz source, the output will be switched to 50Hz. Apologize for the incorrect information.
Thank goodness.

He fellows,
i worked with the baby inputting also 24frames from a D2 and it works

Best
Armin

He fellows,
i worked with the baby inputting also 24frames from a D2 and it works

Best
Armin



That question was already answered by SWChen:

"Forgot to anser the 24P compatablility question. The projector won't output at 24P. Will take 24P."


The problem is not that the projector doesnt take 24p, the problem is the conversion to 60Hz (panel refresh rate).


Regards,
Ekkehart

That question was already answered by SWChen:

"Forgot to anser the 24P compatablility question. The projector won't output at 24P. Will take 24P."


The problem is not that the projector doesnt take 24p, the problem is the conversion to 60Hz (panel refresh rate).


Regards,
Ekkehart
Although with the Realta in there, at least the framerate conversion will be passible.

Although with the Realta in there, at least the framerate conversion will be passible.


Yes, but perfect (invisible) 24Hz -> 60Hz conversion is not possible.

As noted in the other thread, the panel refresh rate is 120 fps.

So with the advent of the RS/HD1, did the HD-900 get scrapped? I haven't heard anything since Cedia... I would imagine to stay competitive it would have to meet or best the 1080p LCDs both in performance and price. They are getting cheaper by the day and should be <$3K in the very near future. Did the HD-900 miss it's window?
-Matt

mpjohnst,
don't think that the Cinetron is missing it's window. DVD player are the most popular thing to compare. There is Oppo, anounced as the best dvd player by some people, on the other hand, you have the Denon's etc, they are blowing this Oppo away, but the price made the hype.

I#m selling on a small base HD-900 and had to compare against Ruby and Pearl´don't know who calibrated the Sony or not, but the HD-900 smoke them in the pipe.

Best
Armin

But have any heard about it´s progress? is it massproduction?
or what

regards

mpjohnst,
don't think that the Cinetron is missing it's window. DVD player are the most popular thing to compare. There is Oppo, anounced as the best dvd player by some people, on the other hand, you have the Denon's etc, they are blowing this Oppo away, but the price made the hype.

I#m selling on a small base HD-900 and had to compare against Ruby and Pearl´don't know who calibrated the Sony or not, but the HD-900 smoke them in the pipe.

Best
Armin


Hi Armin,

The HD900 is available?

As we are interested in every LCOS projector, we would be pleased to make a thorough review of that machine... as discussed with you on the High-End.

:)

I am sure many readers here on AVS would really love to see a C4H-review of that projector, maybe in comparison to Pearl, Ruby and JVC-HD1.

Your company is only 60 miles away from our office...

What do you think?

Regards,
Ekkehart, Cine4Home