Tosh G2 HD-A2 and HD-XA2 information and discussion

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

I'm at CEDIA and have had a in depth demonstration of the HD-A2 and HD-XA2 by Toshiba's top two product specialists.

Here's my very first impressions:

The HD-A2 and HD-XA2 are both final prototypes, but not production samples.

Load time is improved by about 20 seconds over the A1 and A2.

The A2 is 16.9" x 13.58" x 2.58" and the X2 is 17.2" x 13.58" x 2.91".

The XA2 is a true 1080p native max output all the way. The A2 is 1080i max out put.

The XA2 is HDMI 1.3 and the A2 is HDMI 1.2a

The XA2 has the analog 5.1 and the A2 does not.

The A2 and XA2 have different remotes and they are both very nice and completely redesigned.

The A2 MAP is $499.99 and the XA2 is $999.99.

The XA2 now has bi-directional RS232 and of course their is no RS232 on the A2.

Both players have a very nice, clean design, however, again the XA2 is nicer.

I'll stop writing so we can get this thread us as fast as possible for your comments and questions.

BTW, delivery is scheduled for the first week of October for the A2 and the last week of December or beginning of January for the XA2.

-Robert

[jmpage2]

ouch. It looks like the subsidized "free lunch" we've had with the A1 has ended.

[rover2002]

I think Tosh just took 2 steps back !

[EchoBaseGeek]

Thanks Robert!

Did they by chance discuss any of the issues with the A1 and there reaction to these in the development in the 2gen models. I am most curious to know about their take on the DVI-HMDI handshake if they made any comments on this..

As far as pricing I think it is great that they have one model with features perhaps those wanting to get into HD DVD may not care about or need and the alternative that provides more AVS memeber friendly features.

As long as the 999 player delivers in performance and qaulity sign me up...

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

I think Tosh just took 2 steps back !

What would ever make you think that???

-Robert

[Bill C.]

Thank you for spreading the word, Robert. But what's MAP (as opposed to MSRP)?

[Paranoid666au]

I'm glad I got the HD A1, no 5.1 would suck. Plus being so heavy, it's harder to steal! :D

Now these units are identical to the European, HD E1, HD XE1 players right?

[wpwj40e]

Really like the looks of the XA2....And the specs. You mentioned in your other post they were playing on a Toshiba LCD. Is that teh cinema series or a newer one? Thought the current models could not tkae a 1080p output.

Was the XA2 outputting 1080p? Specs say 1080p/24 - will it do 1080p/60?

Thanks for all the great and fast info!!!

Therese

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

Thanks Robert!

Did they by chance discuss any of the issues with the A1 and there reaction to these in the development in the 2gen models. I am most curious to know about their take on the DVI-HMDI handshake if they made any comments on this..

Toshiba will continue to upgrade the A1 and XA1 through 2007 and likely 2008.

-Robert

[longshot]

Robert,

How do you compare the XA2 with the XA1? Are the extra features in the XA2 worth $300 over the XA1?

[BenDover]

hmm, from your site Robert I note this:

(HD-XA2 720p/1080i/1080p/24)


that should make *some* happy, although I'm sure they'll now clamor for 1080p/50/60/72/100/120 :D

[EDIT: i see that beyond 24p is already being asked about ... lol]

[Enigma]

ouch. It looks like the subsidized "free lunch" we've had with the A1 has ended.With the A1 and A2 at the same mspr I'd say the net effect is the same, except you lose the analog outs. The X model seems to compete directly with BD players as far as features, so I'm not surprised at the price. With higher volumes I would expect to continue to see lower street prices than msrp (as lately with A1) due to more competition from various online vendors.

[Paranoid666au]

Robert,

How do you compare the XA2 with the XA1? Are the extra features in the XA2 worth $300 over the XA1?

Is HDMI 1.3 and 1080p true output important to you?

[Bill C.]

Someone posted this in another thread, but it definitely belongs here: there's probably no way to know how well the 'A2s upscale SD material until someone gets their hands on one, is there? I doubt anybody's going to stick a copy of Episode III in one at CEDIA...

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

I'm glad I got the HD A1, no 5.1 would suck. Plus being so heavy, it's harder to steal! :D

Now these units are identical to the European, HD E1, HD XE1 players right?

Don't think they are identical as the European models.

Yes, the A1's analog 5.1 outputs are a great feature for A/R's without HDMI 1.1 or higher. Toshiba designed the XA2 for the high-end users and made several significant additional features for that market.

-Robert

[BIG ED]

Thanks, Robert.
For all your hard work & sharing it with us!

WoW
Was I off on the price points!
Agree with jmpage2, or Tosh is gouging the heck out of the G2!!! ;-)

Great to hear about the remotes & load time. Although, it still seems like load time will be an issue for some.

Bring on G3!!! :-0

[BenDover]

Toshiba will continue to upgrade the A1 and XA1 through 2007 and likely 2008.

-Robert

do you have any specifics you can share about these *upgrades* ... since i don't think of firmware revisions for the sake of addressing bugs to be upgrades, i would really like to know what upgrades are forthcoming

DTS-MA (multi-channel)
1080p output (i'm sure just asking that is going to irk some people ;) )
etc.

[rover2002]

What would ever make you think that???

-Robert
It seems we pay more now for the same? and no 5.1 on the A2. . .
Forgot to thank you for your good reporting btw :D

[lastxbr960]

The most obvious questions are the start-up and response time, SDDVD upconversion quality, remotes, construction quality. quietness, in comparison to the outgoing models?
Whoa $999 thats the same as blueray!
Looks like there is room for a $799 player in the middle with 1 0r 2 of the X2's premium features.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

Someone posted this in another thread, but it definitely belongs here: there's probably no way to know how well the 'A2s upscale SD material until someone gets their hands on one, is there? I doubt anybody's going to stick a copy of Episode III in one at CEDIA...
Very good point, we'll all be very happy if the A2 and XA2 can perform as well as the A1 and XA1. My Power Buy is a terrific deal and the last chance to get the A1 and XA1 at the dealer net cost.

-Robert

[300megashock]

good news, but I'm happy with the HDA1, there is no way i'd drop 999 to get the XA2, and IMO the HDA1 is a better value than the HDA2. Get an A1 while you can IMO.

But I applaud toshiba for releasing a mid range and a high range player, many more people would prefer to spend 500 than 1,000, and 1080p won't be important to me for another 2 years when I buy a new HDTV. And I have no plans currently to buy a new receiver just to get HDMI 1.3 sound support, that's why the 5.1 outs on the HDA1 was a godsend.

[DaveN]

Mated with a Sony Ruby would the 1080p be directly displayed or does it need conversion by the Ruby's processor?

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

do you have any specifics you can share about these *upgrades* ... since i don't think of firmware revisions for the sake of addressing bugs to be upgrades, i would really like to know what upgrades are forthcoming

DTS-MA (multi-channel)
1080p output (i'm sure just asking that is going to irk some people ;) )
etc.

As a policy Toshiba will not comment on future upgrades. Sorry I honestly do not know what they have planned for upgrades, but fixes for many of the HDMI-DVI errors are certainly to be expected.

-Robert

[Bill C.]

Here's a random question: what does the UI on the *A2s look like? Similar to the existing *A1 UI, or did they revamp it?

[oshodi]

Thanks Robert!

Did they by chance discuss any of the issues with the A1 and there reaction to these in the development in the 2gen models. I am most curious to know about their take on the DVI-HMDI handshake if they made any comments on this..

As far as pricing I think it is great that they have one model with features perhaps those wanting to get into HD DVD may not care about or need and the alternative that provides more AVS memeber friendly features.

As long as the 999 player delivers in performance and qaulity sign me up...
Ditto!

[jmpage2]

It seems we pay more now for the same? and no 5.1 on the A2. . .
Forgot to thank you for your good reporting btw :D

Well, the A2 is going to have pretty much the same features as the A1 with a better remote, but with the substantial loss of the 5.1 analog outputs. Many, many people only have toslink/coaxial digital inputs on their 2+ year old receivers and will lose the better audio processing capabilities of the player.

The information I'm really interested in is if the A2 has the same SHARC DSP layout and Intel chip. I suspect those are gone as well or an integrated chipset has replaced at least some of them.

Considering these changes I simply would have been more pleased to see a price cut of MSRP to $399 to really hammer the BD weenies, this is simply confirmation that A1 was subsidized, possibly heavily. Tosh is in business to make money so hence the "free lunch is over" comment about the A2.

[TrevorS]

Toshiba will continue to upgrade the A1 and XA1 through 2007 and likely 2008.

-Robert

Excellent! I was really expecting them to keep us going through at least early 2007. Into 2008 would be simply superb support.

Thanks Robert -- Trevor

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

The most obvious questions are the start-up and response time, SDDVD upconversion quality, remotes, construction quality. quietness, in comparison to the outgoing models?
Whoa $999 thats the same as blueray

Start up time for loading a disc is 15 to 20 seconds faster on the CEDIA prototypes. I think the final production players will even be faster. The remote response is much improved.

-Robert

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Robert,
A little off topic but can we expect any other "surprises" over the next couple of days?

[vinodk]

I agree that it is a serious oversight on Toshiba's part not to include analog 5.1 inputs on A2 as many consumers still have receivers and prepro's without HDMI swiching. Glad I bought my second HD-XA1 recently at a good price. As long as Toshiba keeps providing firmware upgrades for G1 units, I will be happy.

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

Thanks Robert!
As long as the 999 player delivers in performance and qaulity sign me up...

Go to www.valueelectronics.com/Toshiba_HD-A2_and_HD-XA2.htm

-Robert

[Enigma]

How does the XA2 do 1080p/24? Does it go thru the 1080i/60 - de-intelace - framerate conversion (similar to the Sammy BD player)? Or is it actually able to extract 1080p/24 off-disc? If the second is true, how does it handle PiP, when the small window is 1080i video, etc? And a previous poster already asked, but is 1080p/60 also available, or only /24?

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

Robert,
A little off topic but can we expect any other "surprises" over the next couple of days?

Yes.

-Robert

[bailey1987]

Are you lost? maybe you can find a witty comeback there?


How about go forth and multiply?

[mikemorel]

Go to www.valueelectronics.com/Toshiba_HD-A2_and_HD-XA2.htm

-RobertAlready discounted, w/2 free HD DVDs! I'm in...

[oshodi]

Great news. I will be definitely buying the X2 for Xmas (rhymes doesn't it?) and 2 of the Xbox 360 with the internal HD DVD whenever that comes out, one for the son and one for the dad. :cool:

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

How does the XA2 do 1080p/24? Does it go thru the 1080i/60 - de-intelace - framerate conversion (similar to the Sammy BD player)? Or is it actually able to extract 1080p/24 off-disc? If the second is true, how does it handle PiP, when the small window is 1080i video, etc? And a previous poster already asked, but is 1080p/60 also available, or only /24?

Hal, I'll find out. I'm off the the floor to speak to the engineers and product specialists and to see if their are any other HD DVD players from other manufacturers.

See you all in about an hour.

Keep asking questions.

-Robert

[oshodi]

Hal, I'll find out. I'm off the the floor to speak to the engineers and product specialists and to see if their are any other HD DVD players from other manufacturers.

See you all in about an hour.

Keep asking questions.

-Robert
;)

[ay221]

If only the XA2 had 7.1 analog out. That would of been sweet.

[TrevorS]

It seems we pay more now for the same? and no 5.1 on the A2. . .
Forgot to thank you for your good reporting btw :D

All it means is that the early adopter got more for his/her money! What's wrong with that? I would call it fair compensation for having to deal with the travails of the very first generation. At least you curently have the option to go either way -- there are always compromises. There's nothing to complain about.

-- Trevor

[LJG]

I for one will be very disapointed if the HD-A1 is not upgraded to 1080p24 native output with a firmware revision.... Seems doubtfull as the new lower cost model does not have that ability.

[quikric]

OUCH!!!
I was hoping to get a XA2 but $999? Ok Robert is offering it for $899 pre-sale but still.I guess its save awhile longer or go for the A2 or else hold out for a Liteon HD-DVD player if one comes along.
I agree with a previous poster,I think Toshiba took acouple steps back with this price jump.
Thanks for the great info though Robert!!
Now does anyone have some pic's for us??

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Yes.

-Robert

haha...like Batman, i guess :)

[TrevorS]

I agree that it is a serious oversight on Toshiba's part not to include analog 5.1 inputs on A2 as many consumers still have receivers and prepro's without HDMI swiching. Glad I bought my second HD-XA1 recently at a good price. As long as Toshiba keeps providing firmware upgrades for G1 units, I will be happy.

Not at all, those people also have S/PDIF inputs which providee very capable multi-channel. Nothing shabby about 640Kbps DD or better yet 1.5Mbps DTS.

-- Trevor

[BIG ED]

Release dates?
Thanks.

[lastxbr960]

I thought the DAC on the high end unit was improved for better SD DVD upconversion to 12bit-286 from 12bit-216.
Is this wrong?

[PeterS]

Robert,

Some questions.

Will the XA2 support 1080p24sf output? Or only 1080p24/60?
Any chance of DLNA support on either unit for playing from a PC (a la the Pioneer BD-DVD)?

What is the build quality like as compared to the existing units (your opinion)?

Thanks

[scary_harry]

Go to www.valueelectronics.com/Toshiba_HD-A2_and_HD-XA2.htm

-Robert

Robert, when I try to add the HD-XA2 to the shopping cart it brings me to the HD-A1 page. Same with the HD-A2.

Harry

[Nitemage]

Are the new units utilizing software on a chip or are they still essentially PC's?

It's great to hear that they will load disc’s faster but how long do they take to boot?

[Enigma]

Hal, I'll find out. I'm off the the floor to speak to the engineers and product specialists and to see if their are any other HD DVD players from other manufacturers.Thanks. If it can get 1080p/24 straight off discs it would be a major coup, IMO (even if PiP is dis-abled for that output).

[TrevorS]

How does the XA2 do 1080p/24? Does it go thru the 1080i/60 - de-intelace - framerate conversion (similar to the Sammy BD player)? Or is it actually able to extract 1080p/24 off-disc? If the second is true, how does it handle PiP, when the small window is 1080i video, etc? And a previous poster already asked, but is 1080p/60 also available, or only /24?

I would be totally amazed if they took the route of converting p24 to i60 to p24.

Since the Broadcom has the ability to directly pass the native p24, I'm sure that's what they did. Without p60, they wouldn't even need an additional chip.

-- Trevor

[lastxbr960]

If only the XA2 had 7.1 analog out. That would of been sweet.
Now you talking, then that would make way for a third player in the middle with 5.1 but no 1.3HDMI at a more reasonable $799 price point :o

[TrevorS]

I for one will be very disapointed if the HD-A1 is not upgraded to 1080p24 native output with a firmware revision.... Seems doubtfull as the new lower cost model does not have that ability.

We don't currently have any reason to presume such a firmware upgrade is possible. It would depend on the specific design implimented around the Broadcom chip. From our position, it's a total crap-shoot.

-- Trevor

[mikemorel]

Hot off the press:

HD DVD's ``The Look and Sound of Perfect(TM)'' Takes Center Stage at the CEDIA EXPO 2006; Leading Consumer Electronics Manufacturers Unveil Latest HD DVD Players (http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20060914005819&newsLang=en)

[bailey1987]

Hot off the press:

HD DVD's ``The Look and Sound of Perfect(TM)'' Takes Center Stage at the CEDIA EXPO 2006; Leading Consumer Electronics Manufacturers Unveil Latest HD DVD Players (http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20060914005819&newsLang=en)


Oh goody thanks...off to read

[Big J]

From the Article:
"On October 10 Warner Home Video will release the 2005 blockbuster "Batman Begins," which includes brand new content in the In Movie Experience (IME), allowing consumers to enjoy this movie in a brand new way. On the same day, the popular animated holiday feature film "Polar Express," starring Tom Hanks, will make its debut in the HD DVD format."

Hmmm. Can we get a confirmation of this (especially for Batman)?
J

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Release dates?
Thanks.

3 weeks

[TrevorS]

I'm glad to see the article mentions both RCA and Toshiba. I was a little concerned RCA could be bowing out.

"These new players compliment the existing roster of Toshiba and RCA/Thomsen HD DVD players on the market today."

As long as they are in, HDV-5000 owners should continue to have updates made available.

-- Trevor

[Enigma]

I would be totally amazed if they took the route of converting p24 to i60 to p24.

Since the Broadcom has the ability to directly pass the native p24, I'm sure that's what they did. Without p60, they wouldn't even need an additional chip.It would seem to be a tortuous path, but I've read some posts previously by folks who IMO know what they are talking about who seemed to think that native 1080p/24 would be a difficult thing to get done off the disc, despite that apparently the Tosh laptop can do it. I hope that it is native off-disc. I would be a much more "videophile" solution, IMO.

[afrost]

The DACs in the A1 aren't amazing or anything. I personally would be happy with DTS to a processor that has nice DACs until HDMI audio capable processors are easily available.

I would take a silent player over a player with analog outs.....during quiet scenes that would do a lot more for the sound in my room.

Any idea how loud the fan is in the A2?

[TrevorS]

From the Article:
"On October 10 Warner Home Video will release the 2005 blockbuster "Batman Begins," which includes brand new content in the In Movie Experience (IME), allowing consumers to enjoy this movie in a brand new way. On the same day, the popular animated holiday feature film "Polar Express," starring Tom Hanks, will make its debut in the HD DVD format."

Hmmm. Can we get a confirmation of this (especially for Batman)?
J

The IME will require 2.0 or later firmware. This should be interesting!

-- Trevor

EDIT: I'm told this does NOT require 2.0 or later firmware -- Sorry about that!

[efjay]

Thanks for the info, Robert. The A1 it will be for me for the 5.1 outputs, the A2 doesnt really seem enough of an upgrade, for me at least. Hd-DVD here i come!!

[Schlotkins]

What's the load time on the current players? I forget - 40 seconds? So half the time?

[Spiky]

Is there any way yet to tell if the "DTS-HD decoder" mentioned for the XA2 is actually a decoder or just a downgrade-to-DTS like the A1?

[TrevorS]

How about a nice little media center PC?

"Niveus Media Inc. also announced the release of its new HD DVD-enabled media center PCs. Supporting 1080p (1920 x 1080) resolution, these high-end media PCs feature up to four television tuners, 3TB of Storage, 4GB of Memory, ATI and Nvidia graphics, and 8-channel audio. The Rainier Edition, priced at $4,500, is the entry level model in the award-winning line of Niveus Summit Series Media Centers. Scheduled to ship at the end of September, these media centers will be among the first to offer HD DVD playback capability."

The price is sizable, but perhaps not so bad for a well-heeled, aspiring home-theater enthusiast.

-- Trevor

[DigitalfreakNYC]

The IME will require 2.0 or later firmware. This should be interesting!

-- Trevor

Huh? No you wouldn't.

[lastxbr960]

Triple layer support?
This one slightly off topic: Any Animation HDDVDS announced?

[TrevorS]

Huh? No you wouldn't.

You're saying they are referring entirely to on-disc content? My mistake, I was interpretnig it to be including on-line information that would be downloaded as required.

Thanks for the correction -- Trevor

[dad1153]

Any Animation HDDVDS announced?

'Polar Express' comes out Oct. 10th (same day as 'Batman Begins').

[Grubert]

Thanks for the news, Robert.

Two questions for the engineers:

-What's the story with DTS-HD Master Audio? Supported by XA2? Upgrade possible for A1/XA1?

-Is the 1080p on the XA2 native or progressive-interlaced-progressive like the Samsung BD player?

Thanks again!!

[oshodi]

From the Article:
"On October 10 Warner Home Video will release the 2005 blockbuster "Batman Begins," which includes brand new content in the In Movie Experience (IME), allowing consumers to enjoy this movie in a brand new way. On the same day, the popular animated holiday feature film "Polar Express," starring Tom Hanks, will make its debut in the HD DVD format."

Hmmm. Can we get a confirmation of this (especially for Batman)?
J
Don't know if this is confirmation enough, but it is already listed here;
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Exclusive_HD_Content/Disc_Announcements/Warner/Batman_Begins,_Polar_Express_Headed_to_HD_DVD/232

[mchuckp]

Except for the new video chip to support 1080p for the new high end model, is the same broadcom chip going to be in the lower end? Is the same SHARC processors still present? Upgraded? Downgraded?

[lastxbr960]

'Polar Express' comes out Oct. 10th (same day as 'Batman Begins').
Thanks never heard of that one.
I guess a ratio of 200 to 1 regular movies vs anoimation aint too bad.

[mak99]

Robert - thanks for the update! All the best to you at CEDIA...

[drhollen]

I'm a bit suprised that 7.1 output isn't included. Could it be 5.1 via analog, but 7.1 decoded if you use HDMI? There are already HD DVDs with more than 5.1 out, if you count the DD+ EX and DTS 6.1 stuff (We Were Soldiers and The Perfect Storm, to name two discs). I guess with HDMI 1.3, you could pass out the advanced codecs to your spiffy new receiver you plan on buying in 2007 that supports DD+ 7.1 decoding, so sort of supported.

I'd also really like to see "full" DTS-HD decoding including Master Audio lossless decoding as well. Not just stripping the regular DTS Core out like currently.

Also, just because it supports HDMI 1.3, does it support the entire featureset of 1.3? I'm interested in the deep colors as well as advanced audio codecs passthrough, but also the audio-video auto syncronization (lip-sync fix) feature.

It occured to me that the HD-A2 priced the same as HD-A1 might be reasonable to the consumer (half of Blu-ray), but profitable [more or at all] for Toshiba. It does what the majority of people need it to do, but us enthusiasts will be looking at the HD-XA2.

Actually, I would consider a player that simply plays the movies without skipping a significant breakthrough in technology :eek: I'm on my second player and still get some skipping with FW 2.0.

Photos of new remotes? My remote was so bad that it made me buy a Harmony 880, so I'm actually pretty happy about that.

[DLPORLCD]

Well i am glad I bought my A1 this summer instead of waiting for the G2 players. Personally I do not like the look of the G2 players, I think the A1/XA1 looks a lot nicer.

[suffolk112000]

Robert!!!

Thanks so much for doing all of this!!!
I just read part of the first page but don't have time to read the whole thread right now. Hopefully tomorrow!!

Thanks much...

Craig :)

[John Ballentine]

Robert,
Do the Toshiba engineers think they have a handle (re: G2 players) on the freezing/skipping problems some users are still experiencing? Any word on this?

[KingKyleJ]

How much does these cables cost and where can you get them? And Robert, do you think that the G2 player will outshine the A1?

[BIG ED]

Release dates?
Thanks.
The HD-A2 will begin shipping to U.S. retailers in October, with the HD-XA2 to follow in December.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Hardware/Toshiba/Toshiba_Unveils_Second-Gen_HD_DVD_Players/233

[trueimage]

Engadget has some photos and info.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/14/toshiba-brings-2nd-gen-hd-dvd-action-to-the-us/

[lorelevitt]

Go to www.valueelectronics.com/Toshiba_HD-A2_and_HD-XA2.htm

-Robert

Your links on your site are not working correctly. When I click on the XA2, I'm getting a A1 put into the buy cart. Please fix. :(

[Bill C.]

Don't worry. Robert already said he was working on the site inbetween CEDIA shindigs...odds are that, at the absolute latest, it'll be working in the morning.

[Spiky]

Engadget has some photos and info.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/14/toshiba-brings-2nd-gen-hd-dvd-action-to-the-us/
Well, there's the answer. DTS core only.

[LCD1080]

I'm glad that I bought my HD-DVD movies without ever having bought an HD-DVD player. Now I can get the HD-A2 for about the same price as the A1 but with a much sleeker design, a better remote control, and load times that have been cut in half. The A2 is a full 1.5 inches shorter in height than the A1 which is great. 5.1 outputs mean nothing to me, nor does HDMI 1.3 at this point in time.

Does anyone know how much the A2 weighs?

[lastxbr960]

If the HDX2 were $799 list I would actually be tempted, just think more features same price, I hate to see prices go up in home entertainment, although for some, the sleeker size, 1080p, and hdmi 1.3 and faster response are worth it.
It's a bummer the low-end unit gets 5.1 and coaxial axed and stays the same price.
It's like they are saying we will give you less features for the same price or more features for a higher price, and until recently in the tech industry you usually get the same for less and more for the same, i.e. plasmas, lcds, dvd players, dlps, home theater, etc.etc.
Oh well good info thanks Rob.
decisions decisions

[BIG ED]

Gentle people,
This is not the CEDIA report thread, nor the software forum.
It's going to be tough enough going though this thread with its five post per minute pace, without all this additional stuff.

Start "another" BB thread!!! ;-)

[Enigma]

I'm a bit suprised that 7.1 output isn't included. Could it be 5.1 via analog, but 7.1 decoded if you use HDMI? There are already HD DVDs with more than 5.1 out, if you count the DD+ EX and DTS 6.1 stuff (We Were Soldiersand The Perfect Storm, to name two discs).I agree, this would have been a great (if under-utilized) feature for the XA2. I guess with HDMI 1.3, you could pass out the advanced codecs to your spiffy new receiver you plan on buying in 2007 that supports DD+ 7.1 decoding, so sort of supported.Hopefully that would work.I'd also really like to see "full" DTS-HD decoding including Master Audio lossless decoding as well. Not just stripping the regular DTS Core out like currently. Another good point. IMO this should be included in a player like the XA2. Maybe with firmware update?Also, just because it supports HDMI 1.3, does it support the entire featureset of 1.3? I'm interested in the deep colors as well as advanced audio codecs passthrough, but also the audio-video auto syncronization (lip-sync fix) feature.I was wondering the same wrt audio features of hdmi 1.3. The PR only mentions video features. Since the chips are there, maybe this could also be added with firmware, if not present.It occured to me that the HD-A2 priced the same as HD-A1 might be reasonable to the consumer (half of Blu-ray), but profitable [more or at all] for Toshiba. It does what the majority of people need it to do, but us enthusiasts will be looking at the HD-XA2.Yep, agree again.Actually, I would consider a player that simply plays the movies without skipping a significant breakthrough in technology :eek: I'm on my second player and still get some skipping with FW 2.0.Not even on my first player, but this needs to be addressed. I won't buy into the format if skips and freezes remain a common complaint. Seems to have improved with some versions of firmware, but apparently either it's still an issue with the format, or there are more quality issues with these players than I would expect (based on the number of complaints).[/QUOTE]

[lorelevitt]

Don't worry. Robert already said he was working on the site inbetween CEDIA shindigs...odds are that, at the absolute latest, it'll be working in the morning.

Thanks!

[lastxbr960]

Well i am glad I bought my A1 this summer instead of waiting for the G2 players. Personally I do not like the look of the G2 players, I think the A1/XA1 looks a lot nicer.
They look like consumer dvd players, like my samsung hd860, although I like the smaller height, I think the HD XA1 is the looker of the bunch. :o

[Tolstoi]

Hal, I'll find out. I'm off the the floor to speak to the engineers and product specialists and to see if their are any other HD DVD players from other manufacturers.

See you all in about an hour.

Keep asking questions.

-Robert

In fact what is their de-interlacing solution? We don't want to end up with performance similar to the Samsung.

To get proper de-interlacing I will soon have the DVDO VP50 and my audio processor doesn't have a HDMI inputs. From spec and price I see no reason to upgrade my HDA1.

[tiger bait]

Robert, when I try to add the HD-XA2 to the shopping cart it brings me to the HD-A1 page. Same with the HD-A2.

Harry

Same thing happened with me Robert. I really want an XA-2, let us know when the site is fixed.

[Tolstoi]

OUCH!!!
I was hoping to get a XA2 but $999? Ok Robert is offering it for $899 pre-sale but still.I guess its save awhile longer or go for the A2 or else hold out for a Liteon HD-DVD player if one comes along.
I agree with a previous poster,I think Toshiba took acouple steps back with this price jump.
Thanks for the great info though Robert!!
Now does anyone have some pic's for us??

Yep! Agree with you 899$ over my HDA1 just to get 1080P, HDMI 1.3 and a faster boot time it is not worth the spending.

The good news is the HDA1 will keep a good resale value for the one that decide to proceed.

[bytebuster]

Any pictures of the A2?

[Tolstoi]

Are both of these players manufacture in Japan or China?

[rabident]

Mated with a Sony Ruby would the 1080p be directly displayed or does it need conversion by the Ruby's processor?

The Ruby won't take 1080p24. It will take 1080p48 over DVI or 1080p24sf over component, so either way with a Ruby you'll need a scaler for framerate conversion. You would actually need to send the scaler 1080i and have it do IVT to build the 1080p48 signal, so I wouldn't think 1080p24 output would be important for a Ruby owner. The best source for us is 1080i60 -> scaler -> Ruby.

There's no loss of quality doing it that way, but it's definitely a PITA. I wish Sony had conformed to industry standards on their projectors.

[Jeff Lampert]

Even though a number of posters seem dissapointed with the pricing of the A2, I actually think that Toshiba is taking a bullish stand on their future prospects. The reason the HD-A1 player was underpriced was because Toshiba felt it needed a marketiing advantage over Blu-ray, which of course it did. The new pricing I believe reflects the fact that Toshiba feels they are in this for the long haul and as of right now, have mitigated Blu-ray's marketing advantage.

[lymzy]

Are both of these players manufacture in Japan or China?

Does this really matter?

[John Ballentine]

Robert - couple of little things:
Do the G2 players have on-screen readout of disc time remaining?
Do they have on-screen readout of chapter skip and FF, REW speeds?
Thanks.

[NLN987S]

the HD-XA2 does have the 5.1 analog inputs.

[atagert]

What I see with the XA2 being at 999 is so that thre retail stores can make the same profit on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. That way, they might push the HD-DVD format as they currently do Blu-Ray. If then the consumer isn't bitting, then they can switch to the A2 and still make a sale.

Adam

[Tolstoi]

Does this really matter?

The HDA1 is a strongly build player, I am just curious how far Toshiba went to cut production cost.

[Tolstoi]

What I see with the XA2 being at 999 is so that thre retail stores can make the same profit on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. That way, they might push the HD-DVD format as they currently do Blu-Ray. If then the consumer isn't bitting, then they can switch to the A2 and still make a sale.

Adam

Or give resellers the ability to provide good discount.

[joshd2012]

The Ruby won't take 1080p24. It will take 1080p48 over DVI or 1080p24sf over component, so either way with a Ruby you'll need a scaler for framerate conversion. You would actually need to send the scaler 1080i and have it do IVT to build the 1080p48 signal, so I wouldn't think 1080p24 output would be important for a Ruby owner. The best source for us is 1080i60 -> scaler -> Ruby.

There's no loss of quality doing it that way, but it's definitely a PITA. I wish Sony had conformed to industry standards on their projectors.

The Pearl accepts and displays 1080p24

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=723467

[necrolop]

Does this really matter?

To me it does.

What Im worried about is the upscaling capability of the A2. They say the XA2 will have better video chips, so does this mean the A2 will be stripped of its great upscaling capabilities? I want faster load times but not at the expense of DVD quality, hmmm.

[lastxbr960]

What I see with the XA2 being at 999 is so that thre retail stores can make the same profit on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. That way, they might push the HD-DVD format as they currently do Blu-Ray. If then the consumer isn't bitting, then they can switch to the A2 and still make a sale.

Adam
That actually makes sense.
Still I wish I could get 5.1 on the low end model as I and many others dont need 1080P, HDMI 1.3, serial port, but would like faster response time and the sleeker style. the $500 dollar gap is gigantic, and I thought the $300 gap was huge.
Let's see I guess you could budget in a HDMI reciever with the lowend one, but then you could get the hiend one for the same price.
It's ironic.

[atagert]

That actually makes sense.
Still I wish I could get 5.1 on the low end model as I and many others dont need 1080P, HDMI 1.3, serial port, but would like faster response time and the sleeker style. the $500 dollar gap is gigantic, and I thought the $300 gap was huge.
Let's see I guess you could budget in a HDMI reciever with the lowend one, but then you could get the hiend one for the same price.
It's ironic.

Thanks.

I'm the same as you. faster is cool, but it sure isn't worth the difference. Given the choice today with all the information we know today. I would buy an A1.

Adam

[Gary Murrell]

the XA2 has got my name all over it :) the all black is smokin hot looking!! :eek:

-Gary

[Tolstoi]

Thanks.

I'm the same as you. faster is cool, but it sure isn't worth the difference. Given the choice today with all the information we know today. I would buy an A1.

Adam

And based on the same analysis, I will keep mine. :D

[TrevorS]

To me it does.

What Im worried about is the upscaling capability of the A2. They say the XA2 will have better video chips, so does this mean the A2 will be stripped of its great upscaling capabilities? I want faster load times but not at the expense of DVD quality, hmmm.

Chances are the digital (HDMI) output quality will be identical. Whereas a little lost ground is likely in the analog video outputs.

-- Trevor

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

I was only able to speak to a few of my contacts and we need to get more detailed technical specs so I need to have another meeting tomorrow when I can get more senior engineers to speak to.

Here's the few things I found out so far.

HD-XA2 has 5.1 analog outputs, no 7.1.

HD-XA2 will process the signal to its final output of 1080p24/60.

Sorry, I can't get any more information today, but I do expect to be able to get the pdf data sheets on the A2 and XA2 later tonight on my dedicated page. I put that page up and its discount price for forum members only and I do not think you will see other dealers discounting till the market matures. I'll be upgrading my special G2 page later and fixing any problems with it.

End of October or very beginning of November for the A2 and very end of December or beginning of January for the XA2.

-Robert

[Gary Murrell]

ah so the XA2 is not sending the true 1080p, it is taking 1080i and converting it to 1080p, no problem for me, I will have a VP50 ;)

Robert some XA2 pics are all black, others show part silver, is the XA2 all black ? thanks dude you may just get a order from me for the XA2 :)

-Gary

[TrevorS]

I was only able to speak to a few of my contacts and we need to get more detailed technical specs so I need to have another meeting tomorrow when I can get more senior engineers to speak to.

Here's the few things I found out so far.

HD-XA1 has 5.1 analog outputs, no 7.1.

HD-XA1 will process the signal to its final output of 1080p24/60.

-Robert

Glad to see the p60 show up -- probably be useful to more people than p24.

-- Trevor

[blackmax2k1]

the XA2 has got my name all over it :) the all black is smokin hot looking!! :eek:

-Gary

you're a black freak! :)

[LJG]

I
Here's the few things I found out so far.



HD-XA1 will process the signal to its final output of 1080p24/60.

.

-Robert

Did you mean the Xa2?

[lymzy]

HD-XA1 will process the signal to its final output of 1080p24/60.




So, it is confirmed that HD-XA2 could do 1080p24 and 1080p60?

[Mark0]

Robert,
Thanks for the info!! :)

[hconwell]

Hi Robert -

This is the first CEDIA I've missed in years (had to cancel at the last minute). So your reports are wonderful to see and read. Thanks so much for all your efforts.

Off topic ... How's Denver handling the show? Do they have registration kiosks in the area hotels like in Indy? And what are the dates of next year's CEDIA?

Now, back to topic. How long will your pre-order special be up on the HD-XA2?

Thanks again.

[Q of BanditZ]

Thanks for the thread, Robert!

I may have missed it, but have you seen anything from any other CE companies besides Toshiba, in regards to HD-DVD?

[lastxbr960]

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/hddvd/
On Toshiba's site

[Blkout]

I'm glad that I bought my HD-DVD movies without ever having bought an HD-DVD player. Now I can get the HD-A2 for about the same price as the A1 but with a much sleeker design, a better remote control, and load times that have been cut in half. The A2 is a full 1.5 inches shorter in height than the A1 which is great. 5.1 outputs mean nothing to me, nor does HDMI 1.3 at this point in time.

Does anyone know how much the A2 weighs?

Hell, why not hold out until the generation 3 players hit the market? Or generation 4? Or you could continue to wait until HD DVD is replaced with a newer format. I mean, where do you draw the line and just buy what you want? If you always continue to wait for the next generation, you will never enjoy anything.

I always find posts like yours quite comical. It really comes across as a guy who wants to appear that he was smarter than everyone else for waiting, but in reality he was jealous of the early adopters the whole time and simply couldn't afford to jump in early.

[Q of BanditZ]

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/hddvd/
On Toshiba's site

What about it?

[Blkout]

They look like consumer dvd players, like my samsung hd860, although I like the smaller height, I think the HD XA1 is the looker of the bunch. :o


Agreed, the XA1 is a beautiful machine.

[ninjanki]

I really don't understand the reasoning behind the A2 feature set. The XA2 seems to be a clear upgrade from the XA1 model, making it either equal or better than most announced BD players, while keeping a competitive pricing. But the A2 is borderline unusable. Why did they remove the Analog audio output is beyond me... Most people do not have a HDMI capable receiver, and even the ones available are quite shaky in the HDMI compatibility department. I would rather take a DVI output and a 5.1 analog output than only an HDMI output for the lower-end version.(people buying the XA2 are more likely to have an up-to-date receiver...)

I guess the A2 users will need to rely on a single spdif output for audio... DD/DTS only.

Allan

[lastxbr960]

What about it?
It's the official overview from Toshiba.
And it mentions the higher 297MHz 12bit Video DAC on the XA2, which I was wondering about, since this is a new feature, in addition to 1080P, HDMI 1.3, and should give better upscaling of DVD's compared to the other units I believe.

[Q of BanditZ]

It's the official overview from Toshiba.
And it mentions the higher 297MHz 12bit Video DAC on the XA2, which I was wondering about, since this is a new feature, in addition to 1080P, HDMI 1.3, and should give better upscaling of DVD's compared to the other units I believe.

Ok.

[exm]

I just ordered my A1 through Continental. Thanks for all the info, guys!

(it is beyond me why Toshiba dropped the 5.1 analog out).

[Big Worms]

Thanks Robert for the info.

[Maestro J]

Anyone know if Toshiba will continue to support the A1/XA1 with firmware updates when needed or will they solely concentrate on only updating the A2/XA2?

[lymzy]

Anyone know if Toshiba will continue to support the A1/XA1 with firmware updates when needed


Robert said Toshiba will continue to release new firmware for A1/XA1 through 2007/2008.

[Maestro J]

Thanks, I missed that comment.
Also, what HDMI version does the A1/XA1 have? Is it 1.2?

[lymzy]

Thanks, I missed that comment.
Also, what HDMI version does the A1/XA1 have? Is it 1.2?


It shouldn't be. According to the pictures, the HDMI transmitter chip in A1/XA1 doesn't even have the bandwidth for 1080p60.

[TrevorS]

Did you mean the Xa2?

He had to -- we know the XA1 doesn't.

-- Trevor

[Maestro J]

So naturally one should assume the PQ will be better in the A2 over the A1

[DigitalfreakNYC]

So naturally one should assume the PQ will be better in the A2 over the A1

Why is that?

[TrevorS]

I really don't understand the reasoning behind the A2 feature set. The XA2 seems to be a clear upgrade from the XA1 model, making it either equal or better than most announced BD players, while keeping a competitive pricing. But the A2 is borderline unusable. Why did they remove the Analog audio output is beyond me... Most people do not have a HDMI capable receiver, and even the ones available are quite shaky in the HDMI compatibility department. I would rather take a DVI output and a 5.1 analog output than only an HDMI output for the lower-end version.(people buying the XA2 are more likely to have an up-to-date receiver...)

I guess the A2 users will need to rely on a single spdif output for audio... DD/DTS only.

Allan

The XA2 is intended as the upgrade for all three players. The A2 is the new entry level and it's intended for new HD-DVD purchasers, not for A1 or XA1 owners.

Regarding the S/PDIF, remember that's good for 640Kbps DD and 1.5Mbps DTS -- definite upgrades over what purchasers are used to hearing with SD DVD.

-- Trevor

[TrevorS]

Thanks, I missed that comment.
Also, what HDMI version does the A1/XA1 have? Is it 1.2?

A1 and XA1 provide HDMI 1.1.

-- Trevor

[Neo1965]

I really don't understand the reasoning behind the A2 feature set. The XA2 seems to be a clear upgrade from the XA1 model, making it either equal or better than most announced BD players, while keeping a competitive pricing. But the A2 is borderline unusable. Why did they remove the Analog audio output is beyond me... Most people do not have a HDMI capable receiver, and even the ones available are quite shaky in the HDMI compatibility department. I would rather take a DVI output and a 5.1 analog output than only an HDMI output for the lower-end version.(people buying the XA2 are more likely to have an up-to-date receiver...)

I guess the A2 users will need to rely on a single spdif output for audio... DD/DTS only.

Allan

I have no use for the analog 5.1 output. I know my receiver has them, but as far as I'm concerned, I always use the spdif for audio straight to my AV receiver. I know some people gush about why you must have TrueD audio, but for me, I can't even tell why DTS is better than AC3.

My pet peeves with the HD-A1 are as follows :

1. Boot Time waaay too long. (about 30x too long)
2. Load Time waaay too long. (about 15x too long)
3. "HDMI Error 1"
4. Too big
5. Unfriendly remote (can't even read buttons in a home theatre with lights off, too big, ugly).

Based on the HD-A2 loading faster alone, I am tempted to buy my 3rd HD-DVD player. (That will make it one every month).

[los seres]

Toshiba XA2

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3976/hdxa2bb6.th.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hdxa2bb6.jpg)

Toshiba A2

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3835/hda2pi6.th.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hda2pi6.jpg)

Very Nice! :cool:

[SamwisetheBrave]

Thank you for spreading the word, Robert. But what's MAP (as opposed to MSRP)?
Manufacturer's advertised price? :o

[Maestro J]

Why is that?

Never mind. Another poster stated that A1's have 1.2 so PQ should be relatively the same.

[Mark0]

More info about CEDIA here:
http://www.homemediaretailing.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=9667

[TrevorS]

I have no use for the analog 5.1 output. I know my receiver has them, but as far as I'm concerned, I always use the spdif for audio straight to my AV receiver. I know some people gush about why you must have TrueD audio, but for me, I can't even tell why DTS is better than AC3.

My pet peeves with the HD-A1 are as follows :

1. Boot Time waaay too long. (about 30x too long)
2. Load Time waaay too long. (about 15x too long)
3. "HDMI Error 1"
4. Too big
5. Unfriendly remote (can't even read buttons in a home theatre with lights off, too big, ugly).

Based on the HD-A2 loading faster alone, I am tempted to buy my 3rd HD-DVD player. (That will make it one every month).

Robert's deal on the A2 is very interesting to me. I like having the 5.1 analog outputs, but my processor can only support one set, and I hate to disconnect my SACD/DVD-A player. Fortunately, I'm getting very enjoyable sound via S/PDIF.

The biggest drawback is I'm expecting the component outputs to be a notch behind those of G1. Since I drive my outboard scaler via component, that would be a step in the wrong direction.

Guess I could always consider buying an A2 for my second system -- hmm, now that's a thought.

-- Trevor

[Robert D]

Two new players from Toshiba is nice but I'm a bit concerned that no other CE's are supporting HD DVD.

[LCD1080]

Hell, why not hold out until the generation 3 players hit the market? Or generation 4? Or you could continue to wait until HD DVD is replaced with a newer format. I mean, where do you draw the line and just buy what you want? If you always continue to wait for the next generation, you will never enjoy anything. I always find posts like yours quite comical. It really comes across as a guy who wants to appear that he was smarter than everyone else for waiting, but in reality he was jealous of the early adopters the whole time and simply couldn't afford to jump in early.Actually I won't have an HDTV until early October so I wouldn't have had any use for an HD-DVD player up until now. I was going to buy the A1 a few weeks ago in anticipation of my new 1080p LCD-TV. All I'm saying is that I'm glad that I waited because now I can have the A2 with its superior feature set for essentially the same price as the A1.

[TrevorS]

Never mind. Another poster stated that A1's have 1.2 so PQ should be relatively the same.

HDMI picture would probably be the same with 1.3 as well. I understand 1.3 adds some features, but there's no indication the increased color depth capability would be immediately used -- plus it would require the display device support 1.3 as well.

-- Trevor

[mak99]

Toshiba XA2

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3976/hdxa2bb6.th.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hdxa2bb6.jpg)

Toshiba A2

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3835/hda2pi6.th.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hda2pi6.jpg)

Very Nice! :cool:
I see an SACD logo on the displays??? Though no SACD or DVD-A logo on the casing...

Anyone?

[TrevorS]

Two new players from Toshiba is nice but I'm a bit concerned that no other CE's are supporting HD DVD.

Still a couple days to go, we can always hope for more good news.

-- Trevor

[TrevorS]

Actually I won't have an HDTV until early October so I wouldn't have had any use for an HD-DVD player up until now. I was going to buy the A1 a few weeks ago in anticipation of my new 1080p LCD-TV. All I'm saying is that I'm glad that I waited because now I can have the A2 with its superior feature set for essentially the same price as the A1.

Better in some ways, not better in others -- depends on what you value I guess. I tried to hold out for G2, but after deciding I really did have a "need" for an upscaler, G1 became the obvious choice. Though, fact is, I may be the slowest HD "adopter" on this board -- as of Wednesday, my HD-DVD count climbed all the way up to two :).

-- Trevor

[TheLion]

So 3 big questions remain:

- How is the 1080p output handled? Which modes are supported (24p, 60p)? If 24p how is it achieved (native from disc or with 60i decoding and IVT) and what happens during IME?

- With the vast majority of European releases having lossless DTS HD Master Audio tracks onboard does at least the HD-XA2 support actually decoding it (or just extracting the DTS Core)?

- Have the G2 players been tested with HD45 triple layer discs and will they be supported - or do we have to buy new players when Triple Layer discs arrive mid of next year? (as hinted/"semi-confirmed" by an Toshiba tech)

[rob316]

I am happy that I waited for the G2. First the no analog outputs does not bother me because I don't mind the DTS sound . Second I will be purchasing one of the new Panny HDMI1.3 receivers (whenever they come out).Third the new A2's look sweet in black.

Rob

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

ah so the XA2 is not sending the true 1080p, it is taking 1080i and converting it to 1080p, no problem for me, I will have a VP50 ;)

Robert some XA2 pics are all black, others show part silver, is the XA2 all black ? thanks dude you may just get a order from me for the XA2 :)

-Gary

It's all black, a glossy polished piano black. Black is beautiful!

-Robert

[Jeff Lampert]

Several good points on this thread. Basically, Toshiba's strategy is to maintain it's fundamental advantage over Blu-ray (as of today) in PQ. Then it upgrades to 1080p processed output and shorter load times to correct for these sound bite advantages of the Samsung. The higher MSRP allows comparable, or even better profit-taking for the dealer as well as flexibility in promoting and discounting. And the large majority of consumers, (who probably are not too concerned with analog 5.1) can get in on HD-DVD with the entry-level player. Unfortunately, the AVSer/videophile/audiophile who is strapped for cash hasn't a good option. Those that are aware will buy the HD-A1 for it's current discounted price. But four months from now, it'll be tougher for them.

[TrevorS]

So 3 big questions remain:

- How is the 1080p output handled? Which modes are supported (24p, 60p)? If 24p how is it achieved (native from disc or with 60i decoding and IVT) and what happens during IME?

- With the vast majority of European releases having lossless DTS HD Master Audio tracks onboard does at least the HD-XA2 support actually decoding it (or just extracting the DTS Core)?

- Have the G2 players been tested with HD45 triple layer discs and will they be supported - or do we have to buy new players when Triple Layer discs arrive mid of next year? (as hinted/"semi-confirmed" by an Toshiba tech)

G2 can't officially support an unofficial disc specification, so you'll still be stuck with a speculative answer even if you find one.

What that Toshiba drive engineer said carries no weight whatsoever regarding the G1 players -- for all practical puposes, just another speculation. Whether it might apply to G2 depends on whether the drive is Toshiba or NEC.

-- Trevor

[Rob Tomlin]

I'm surprised that so many people are apparently surprised by Toshiba's prices for these new players.

Robert and many others have said all along that the first gen models were incredible deals, and we all knew that Toshiba was probably even losing money on them. If that was the case, how could anyone reasonably expect new players to be released that would be priced even less? If they cost Toshiba less to manufacture now, it will finally allow them to make a little profit on the players. They aren't going to continue to lose money, obviously.

The main question is whether these new players will resolve the skipping/freezing issues that so many people have.

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

I updated my technical specs on the dedicated G2 page and fixed the shopping cart. I have a few more fixes and updates coming along with the pdf data sheets, which I will have completed no later than tomorrow.

-Robert

[TheLion]

G2 can't officially support an unofficial disc specification, so you'll still be stuck with a speculative answer even if you find one.

What that Toshiba drive engineer said carries no weight whatsoever regarding the G1 players -- for all practical puposes, just another speculation. Whether it might apply to G2 depends on whether the drive is Toshiba or NEC.

-- Trevor

But G2 can unofficially support an upcoming disc specification when there actually are HD45 disc samples available by now (which is quite likely)... ;)

[TrevorS]

I'm surprised that so many people are apparently surprised by Toshiba's prices for these new players.

Robert and many others have said all along that the first gen models were incredible deals, and we all knew that Toshiba was probably even losing money on them. If that was the case, how could anyone reasonably expect new players to be released that would be priced even less? If they cost Toshiba less to manufacture now, it will finally allow them to make a little profit on the players. They aren't going to continue to lose money, obviously.

The main question is whether these new players will resolve the skipping/freezing issues that so many people have.

My main question is whether or not they will sell like "hotcakes" (of course, if they have issues it's likely to effect that). I'm just hoping the A2 will fly -- boosted by a hard hitting marketing campaign. Also hoping for some more CE/Studio announcements during CEDIA.

-- Trevor

[mak99]

It's all black, a glossy polished piano black. Black is beautiful!

-Robert
BTW, LOVE the ribbed sides on the XA2 - reminds me of the original Rega clamshell design...

<<must...put...wallet...back...in...pocket...>> :D

[ericlhyman]

How significant an improvement does the 297 Mhz/12 bit DAC bring to the picture quality of the XA2 over the A2?

If the display or AV-receiver only have HDMI 1.1, HDMI 1.3 in the DVD player won't make a difference.

Does upconverting from 1080i to 1080p in the DVD player make any difference in picture quality if the display upconverts from 1080i to 1080p?

Is the A2 also substantially faster than the A1, or is it only the XA2 that is much faster?

[TrevorS]

But G2 can unofficially support an upcoming disc specification when there actually are HD45 disc samples available by now (which is quite likely)...

Trouble is, until the specification is formally approved by the DVD Forum, the specifications are subject to change. Sure, they probably won't, but there's no guarantee. Manufacturers don't announce support of specifications that are not yet official -- otherwise, they could get embarassed (and have a big service/warranty problem as a result).

-- Trevor

[roma_victor]

Several good points on this thread. Basically, Toshiba's strategy is to maintain it's fundamental advantage over Blu-ray (as of today) in PQ. Then it upgrades to 1080p processed output and shorter load times to correct for these sound bite advantages of the Samsung. The higher MSRP allows comparable, or even better profit-taking for the dealer as well as flexibility in promoting and discounting. And the large majority of consumers, (who probably are not too concerned with analog 5.1) can get in on HD-DVD with the entry-level player. Unfortunately, the AVSer/videophile/audiophile who is strapped for cash hasn't a good option. Those that are aware will buy the HD-A1 for it's current discounted price. But four months from now, it'll be tougher for them.

Good post. The a/v-philes here may not like the lack of analog 5.1 on the A2, but I think the A2 will be good for the survival and proliferation of HD DVD among the general public. Specifically, I believe that the G2 players will be an easier sell to non a/v-philes ('J6P' is a little too degatory for my taste) because it neutralizes some purported BR advantages (bad/unwieldy remote, slow boot time, lack of 1080p capability) while maintaining the same entry level price advantage.

[TrevorS]

Good post. The a/v-philes here may not like the lack of analog 5.1 on the A2, but I think the A2 will be good for the survival and proliferation of HD DVD among the general public. Specifically, I believe that the G2 players will be an easier sell to non a/v-philes ('J6P' is a little too degatory for my taste) because it neutralizes some purported BR advantages (bad/unwieldy remote, slow boot time, lack of 1080p capability) while maintaining the same entry level price advantage.

Still only 1080i, but half the cost, and actually, equal picture on most 1080p displays.

-- Trevor

[GoodGuy]

When it comes to providing up-to-date info, and great customer service, Robert is
really "Zohned" in!

GG

[opcode]

I checked the Toshiba website and they say:

HD-XA2 HD DVD content output at 1080p available only as a result of up-conversion...

Now, what they mean by that? It doesn't sound good to me...

Eduardo

[oshodi]

Trouble is, until the specification is formally approved by the DVD Forum, the specifications are subject to change. Sure, they probably won't, but there's no guarrantee. Manufacturers don't announce support of specifications that are not yet official -- otherwise, they could get embarassed (and have a big service/warranty problem as a result).

-- Trevor
What specs are you reffering to? I just found this list of approved specs in the HD DVD Promotion Group's website, don't know if it might help;


35th Steering Committee Meeting (Sep. 12, 2006)

No. Voting Subject Result
1 Approval of "DVD Specifications for Recordable Disc for Dual Layer (DVD-R for DL) File System Specifications, Version 3.0" approved
2 Approval of "Inclusion of 44.1kHz audio family into HD DVD-Video as mandatory" approved
3 Approval of "Grace period of 18 months for inclusion of 44.1kHz audio family with the following strong recommendation:
-Upgrade should be made as soon as possible (far less than 18 months)" approved
4 Approval of "DVD Specifications for Re-recordable Disc for Dual Layer (DVD-RW for DL) Physical Specifications, Version 2.0" approved
5 Approval of "Version-up Information for the following Specifications:
-DVD Specifications for High Density Rewritable Disc (HD DVD-RAM) Physical Specifications (Version 1.0 to 1.1)
-DVD Specifications for High Density Recordable Disc (HD DVD-R) Physical Specifications (Version 1.0 to 1.1)
-DVD Specifications for High Density Recordable Disc for Dual Layer (HD DVD-R for DL) Physical Specifications (Version 2.0 to 2.1)
-DVD Specifications for High Density Re-recordable Disc (HD DVD-RW) Physical Specifications (Version 1.0 to 1.1)
-DVD Specifications for High Density Re-recordable Disc for Dual Layer (HD DVD-RW for DL) Physical Specifications (Version 2.0 to 2.1) " approved
6 Approval of "The following conceptual proposals:
-HD DVD application format (HD DVD-Video/Video Recording) recording on red laser DVD recordable media
-Red laser recording function: Type 1 & 2 (provisional approval and details including physical specifications will be decided for Type 2 later)
-Creation of format specifications by related WGs (WG-1, 3, 5, 6 and 9)" approved
7 Approval of "CSC to engage legal counsel to draft a memorandum of understanding between the DVD Forum and appropriate China parties to be identified by DVD Forum counsel:
-Ability to keep in China only
-Strong DVD forum participation in governance / verification
-Scope of use of technology
-Content protection
-Confidentiality
-Time line
-Expectations from China of DVD Forum
( spec updates, Logo, other) etc." approved
8 Approval of "DVD Specifications for High Density Read-Only Disc (HD DVD-ROM) Physical Specifications, Version 9.9 (for China Only)" approved
9 Approval of "Logo/Mark for an empty RAM case" approved
10 Approval of "The letter to be sent to DVD CCA from DVD Forum regarding multi region players currently available in the market place" approved

http://www.dvdforum.org/35scmtg-resolution.htm

[Forceflow]

From the Article:
"On October 10 Warner Home Video will release the 2005 blockbuster "Batman Begins," which includes brand new content in the In Movie Experience (IME), allowing consumers to enjoy this movie in a brand new way. On the same day, the popular animated holiday feature film "Polar Express," starring Tom Hanks, will make its debut in the HD DVD format."

Hmmm. Can we get a confirmation of this (especially for Batman)?
J

Its been confirmed. Batman Begins and Polar Express are Oct. 10th. Discussion ongoing in software.

[TrevorS]

What specs are you reffering to? I just found this list of approved specs in the HD DVD Promotion Group's website, don't know if it might help;

http://www.dvdforum.org/35scmtg-resolution.htm

The specs in question are for the TL-45. I don't see them in that list and the only words on the subject I've seen (the Tosh Drive Engineer) predicted a roughly mid 2007 approval.

-- Trevor

[Big J]

Its been confirmed. Batman Begins and Polar Express are Oct. 10th. Discussion ongoing in software.
Yes, I noticed. :D
J

[ckelly33]

Any word on whether the G2's will have a 'Resume Play' feature. This is one feature that was a killer for me.

[Rob Tomlin]

My main question is whether or not they will sell like "hotcakes" (of course, if they have issues it's likely to effect that). I'm just hoping the A2 will fly -- boosted by a hard hitting marketing campaign. Also hoping for some more CE/Studio announcements during CEDIA.

-- Trevor

Agreed, especially regarding CE announcements (other than Toshiba/RCA)

[Forceflow]

Any word on whether the G2's will have a 'Resume Play' feature. This is one feature that was a killer for me.

Players have this function. The software needs to support the feature. The bookmark is the feature that HD DVD seems to rely upon for a "resume."

[John Ballentine]

Any word on whether the G2's will have a 'Resume Play' feature. This is one feature that was a killer for me.
Me too. Robert can you ask tomorrow?

[Rob Tomlin]

Players have this function. The software needs to support the feature. The bookmark is the feature that HD DVD seems to rely upon for a "resume."

That's my understanding as well. It doesn't have anything to do with the player.

[lorelevitt]

I updated my technical specs on the dedicated G2 page and fixed the shopping cart. I have a few more fixes and updates coming along with the pdf data sheets, which I will have completed no later than tomorrow.

-Robert

Thanks Robert. Just placed my order with you for an XA2!! Could be a nice holiday gift to myself. :D

Lore

[moodyman]

So in a nutshell....

To get 'Dolby TrueHD' or 'DTS-HD' out of the HD-A2 you will need an HDMI input on your receiver.

Do I have this right??

[TrevorS]

So in a nutshell....

To get 'Dolby TrueHD' or 'DTS-HD' out of the HD-A2 you will need an HDMI input on your receiver.

Do I have this right??

Ie. In order to get any audio other than traditional ("legacy") DD, DTS, PCM, MPEG, from the player, you will need HDMI -- yes!

EDIT: However, traditional DD and DTS isn't at all bad when you consider the bitrates will be the non-traditional 640 Kbps DD and 1.5 Mbps DTS.

[John Ballentine]

That's my understanding as well. It doesn't have anything to do with the player.
On my 2 SD DVD players - you can hit the stop button - or turn the power off. Turn the power on the next day - and the disc resumes right where you left off. You don't have to hit any buttons or bookmark anything. It's the player that does this. I understand the bookmark function on the HD-A1. But it's not the same. Guess I'm just spoiled by this feature.

[ndtriathlete]

John - Have you tried starting and stopping a sd dvd in your HD-A1? If I remember correctly, I tried this and the sd dvd resumed just like in my sd dvd player. I can't check right now as I'm out of town on orders. Please let us know. Thanks!

[Jonathan Hickey]

Thank you for spreading the word, Robert. But what's MAP (as opposed to MSRP)?

M= Minimum
A= Advertised
P= Price

[Neo1965]

Does the 1080P output on the XA2 send 1080P24 or 60? if 60, does that mean the frame repeats are 3222 for 24P disks?

[markrubin]

mod

please limit posts to the Toshiba G2 HD-A2 and HD-XA2 HD DVD Players

Thanks

[TrevorS]

Does the 1080P output on the XA2 send 1080P24 or 60? if 60, does that mean the frame repeats are 3222 for 24P disks?

The only specs shown so far are by Robert and are early in this thread. First was 1080p24. Then came 1080p24/60.

I guess we're still awaiting verification on the p60 and he was going to try to find out if the p24 was actually native or regenerated. We probably won't learn anything more before sometime CEDIA Day 2.

-- Trevor

[muzz]

I thought Tosh said that there were NO G2 players through the end of this year?

What happened there? :rolleyes:

[b.greenway]

I thought Tosh said that there were NO G2 players through the end of this year?

What happened there? :rolleyes:

“We have not announced new players” was how the original, oft misinterpreted quote went. Now they have.

[necrolop]

Id order right now, But Im just so scared its upscaling abilities wont be as good, possibly Im scared for nothing but hey.


As far as the 1080i vs 1080p talk.

If you take a 24p source, telecine it to 1080i then inverse telecine it back to a 24p source then pullup to 1080p60 if needed, all while in the digital domain(HDMI/DVI) then there is no difference, Theoredical nor Practical, and this is fact. So I wouldnt get worked up about it.

[metalsaber]

So if I read all this correctly, there really isn't any improvement with the A2 over the A1 except that it loads in half the time?

Does that sum it up? The video output is the exact same right or is there a better video processor in this one? If not, I'm kind of disappointed. I'm not really sure what to do now.

[Rob Tomlin]

On my 2 SD DVD players - you can hit the stop button - or turn the power off. Turn the power on the next day - and the disc resumes right where you left off. You don't have to hit any buttons or bookmark anything. It's the player that does this. I understand the bookmark function on the HD-A1. But it's not the same. Guess I'm just spoiled by this feature.

It isn't the player. The software isn't encoded for it.

Try using the stop button on your SD player on a DVD-R that was recorded without chapter stops etc. It won't resume where you hit stop.

[TrevorS]

I thought Tosh said that there were NO G2 players through the end of this year?

What happened there? :rolleyes:

They never said that! In fact, it was pointed out over and over agan that they never said that! People choose to believe what they choose to believe -- what can one say?

-- Trevor

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

Id order right now, But Im just so scared its upscaling abilities wont be as good, possibly Im scared for nothing but hey.


As far as the 1080i vs 1080p talk.

If you take a 24p source, telecine it to 1080i then inverse telecine it back to a 24p source then pullup to 1080p60 if needed, all while in the digital domain(HDMI/DVI) then there is no difference, Theoredical nor Practical, and this is fact. So I wouldnt get worked up about it.

Thank you this was also explained to me by a Toshiba senior engineer. But I am hoping to have another meeting tomorrow to get more details on the technical process of the XA2's 1080p output. However, rightfully so some folks are concerned due to the poor results from the Samsung Blu-ray BD-P1000 players.

Also the Resume Play feature should be in both G2 models and may even be in a future firmware upgrade for G1 players. For now I use the bookmarks to get back to where I left off.

-Robert

[SonyHD]

Can either of these players play the new three-layered HD-DVD disks? It does appear that the XA2 is the player to get, since it outputs 1080p and HDMI 1.3. Here's a question that I have been wondering about. My Samsung DLP has HDMI, so will that connection work with HDMI 1.3? I'm guessing it will but just not positive.

[muzz]

They never said that! In fact, it was pointed out over and over agan that they never said that! People choose to believe what they choose to believe -- what can one say?

-- Trevor

Are you attacking me?

[TrevorS]

So if I read all this correctly, there really isn't any improvement with the A2 over the A1 except that it loads in half the time?

Does that sum it up? The video output is the exact same right or is there a better video processor in this one? If not, I'm kind of disappointed. I'm not really sure what to do now.

Who said the A2 was supposed to be an upgrade for A1 owners? (I know at least one person who pointed out several times it wouldn't be!)

If you want to upgrade, you get an XA2, that's the upgrade for all three players. The A2 is for people who have yet to buy into HD-DVD, not for G1 owners. The A2 is the new entry level and it appears to be a nice box!

-- Trevor

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

At the press conference Toshiba stressed the pq benefits of the 12 bit processor\ exclusively in the new XA2. More bandwidth, more bits = better pq.

I would assume they put in the better Video DAC not just for specmanship.

-Robert

[rover2002]

Can we expect enymore big announcements, or are they pretty much all made the first day?
Will.

[TrevorS]

Are you attacking me?

Not at all! I'm just saying that people kept reading things into what was said by the rep that were not actually said by her at all. That's the problem with reading things into what people say, it's very frequently off base.

-- Trevor

[Robert D]

Who said the A2 was supposed to be an upgrade for A1 owners? (I know at least one person who pointed out several times it wouldn't be!)

If you want to upgrade, you get an XA2, that's the upgrade for all three players. The A2 is for people who have yet to buy into HD-DVD, not for G1 owners. The A2 is the new entry level and it appears to be a nice box!

-- Trevor

So what good does HDMI 1.3 if there are no displays to take advantage of the expanded color or even if there were there is no software encoded with the information anyway? Also very few displays will accept 1080p/60 and even fewer 1080p/24 via HDMI so for most it buys us zip.

[TrevorS]

So what good does HDMI 1.3 if there are no displays to take advantage of the expanded color or even if there were there is no software encoded with the information anyway? Also very few displays will accept 1080p/60 and even fewer 1080p/24 via HDMI so for most it buys us zip.

You tell me. A number of people on this forum were clearly saying it should be there, so I presume they like it. My guess it's a combination of future compatibility, avoidance of leaving a gap with BR, plus a pinch of model differentiation.

For my purposes, 1.1 is fine for the forseeable future. You?

-- Trevor

[jmpage2]

So what good does HDMI 1.3 if there are no displays to take advantage of the expanded color or even if there were there is no software encoded with the information anyway? Also very few displays will accept 1080p/60 and even fewer 1080p/24 via HDMI so for most it buys us zip.

I have no doubt that the X2 will have superior video processing capabilities and a few other things making it "worthwhile" for new owners or videophiles.

As to 1080p/24/60 and HDMI 1.3 it's primarily going to be there to shut up the blu-ray fan boys that won't shut up about how these things are a pre-requisite in any "serious" HD disc player.

[raaj]

At the press conference Toshiba stressed the pq benefits of the 12 bit processor\ exclusively in the new XA2. More bandwidth, more bits = better pq.

I would assume they put in the better Video DAC not just for specmanship.

-Robert

Robert,

What is your gut feeling about the announced upgrades?

Now,

1. HD-DVD has lost its price advantage compared to BR.
2. It is now saddled with a model that is not 1080p capable (the BBBs can continue their misinformation campaign)
3. Even at $999, the XA2 still "processes" the output to 1080p24/60 - [by any chance did this apply only to non-native-1080p sources, while the 1080p sources will be output as such natively without processing?]
4. HD-DVD has a slim advantage over BR at this point, if the new reviews of VC-1/AVC encoded releases are to be believed.
5. Still the same problems regarding the lack of widespread CE and studio support compared to BR. Niveus doesn't count.

Toshiba's key to survival and putting up a fight is not through parity with BR, but in being an all-round better proposition of bang-for-buck. I think Toshiba might have jumped the gun with these revisions.

[Robert D]

You tell me. A number of people on this forum were clearly saying it should be there, so I presume they like it. My guess it's a combination of future compatibility, avoidance of leaving a gap with BR, plus a pinch of model differentiation.

For my purposes, 1.1 is fine for the forseeable future. You?

-- Trevor

I guess the 1080p has some value in that at least when I go to BB I don't have to hear the blu shirt tell me BD is better because it's 1080p. :)

I bought the 56 inch 1080p HLR series Samsung DLP about a year ago so no plans to upgrade that for a while but when I do I may go for the new Sony "Pearl" projector.

[SonyHD]

Again, does anyone know if these players will be able to play the new three-layered HD-DVD's? Thanks...

[TrevorS]

Again, does anyone know if these players will be able to play the new three-layered HD-DVD's? Thanks...

Just recognize the most you can hope for on that is speculation until the TL-45 spec is formalized by the DVD Forum. Toshiba can't say it does if the spec isn't hard.

-- Trevor

[SonyHD]

Thanks TrevorS for that reply. Well hopefully they will be able to because if would stink that everyone goes out and buys these new players, only to find out that these new three-layered disks won't be able to play on them.

[ckelly33]

Players have this function. The software needs to support the feature. The bookmark is the feature that HD DVD seems to rely upon for a "resume."

That's what I've read over & over again on these forums, but I didn't find it to be 100% correct. Once powered off the player tends to lose its place on BOTH HD-DVD's and SD-DVD's. Software within the HD-DVD's doesn't explain why it doesn't work with SD-DVD's. My Sony upconverting DVD player not only remembers its place when you stop the disc, but also when you power off and eject the disc. In a housefull of kids constantly ejecting my movie to watch their own, it's the latter function that I'd love to see :( .

I would think that with HD-DVD coming from the same forum as DVD, most of these (now common) features from SD-DVD players would take the next logical step into it's "new shiny format". I suppose leaving out some of these more convenient features will make for easier innovation for G2 (or later).

[TrevorS]

I guess the 1080p has some value in that at least when I go to BB I don't have to hear the blu shirt tell me BD is better because it's 1080p. :)

Is that ever true :)!

I bought the 56 inch 1080p HLR series Samsung DLP about a year ago so no plans to upgrade that for a while but when I do I may go for the new Sony "Pearl" projector.

I've DVI on my XBR, RGBHV on my LCD projector, and my A/V processor supports S-Video max -- all cutting edge, as you can see :). However, I like the picture and sound (screen mounted above the TV) and the player HDMI is what allowed the video to come together (though I also use the component outputs). It would be fun to consider a 1080p projector, but it's definitely not in my near future. :)

As long as it works well, I'm satisfied.

-- Trevor

[TrevorS]

Thanks TrevorS for that reply. Well hopefully they will be able to because if would stink that everyone goes out and buys these new players, only to find out that these new three-layered disks won't be able to play on them.

I'm curious as to who manufactures the drives in the new players. I read NEC was out since their optical unit merged with Sony's optical unit, but with Sony having like 51% ownership. At the same time, Toshiba seems to have been moving forward with their own HD-DVD drive development -- though I wouldn't have thought it would be ready for the marketplace so soon.

-- Trevor

[Robert D]

I'm curious as to who manufactures the drives in the new players. I read NEC was out since their optical unit merged with Sony's optical unit, but with Sony having like 51% ownership. At the same time, Toshiba seems to have been moving forward with their own HD-DVD drive development -- though I wouldn't have thought it would be ready for the marketplace so soon.

-- Trevor

I believe the drive is a Toshiba.

[ResOGlas]

It would be nice to get rid of those boot up times and I already get my 5.1 with the HDMI out, but I'm going to wait and get a different player once Panasonic or JVC releases one. I'm not such a big fan of Toshiba, but I'm not against them either.

[ckong]

Can someone please explain in layman's term the difference between the HDMI 1.1 used in HD A1 and HDMI 1.2a that is used in A2?What does one have to do to enjoy DD TrueHD and DTS-HD Master now with the A2?

[necrolop]

The 12-bit processor, that should only really come into play when using the Video DAC right? Using HDMI everything should be identical from what I understand.

If at all possible it would be nice to know the A2s upscaling abilities given than it has different components than the A1, my concern is theyve doen some cost cutting and upscaling performance wont watch the A1.

Robert, you have a great deal there, definately going to place an order, should we be concerned about ordereing ASAP or will there be ample supply?
Thanks!

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

The 12-bit processor, that should only really come into play when using the Video DAC right? Using HDMI everything should be identical from what I understand.

If at all possible it would be nice to know the A2s upscaling abilities given than it has different components than the A1, my concern is theyve doen some cost cutting and upscaling performance wont watch the A1.

Robert, you have a great deal there, definately going to place an order, should we be concerned about ordereing ASAP or will there be ample supply?
Thanks!Toshiba does not have any and is not making any more A1s.

My last allocation of 100 players is due in Monday, so far we sold about 50. I don't think their are many left in the distribution channel either.

-Robert

[necrolop]

I meant the A2 Preorders :)

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

I meant the A2 Preorders :)

Toshiba told me the max I can get on my first allocation is 1000 HD-A2s and 350 HD-XA2s. Not sure how many I'll actually receive as first allocations are always limited.

At CES in January 2006 I ordered 1300 HD-A1s and got 150 pieces.

-Robert

[ctakim]

The only specs shown so far are by Robert and are early in this thread. First was 1080p24. Then came 1080p24/60.

I guess we're still awaiting verification on the p60 and he was going to try to find out if the p24 was actually native or regenerated. We probably won't learn anything more before sometime CEDIA Day 2.

-- Trevor

That is what I want to know, is the 1080/24 fully kept in that form from the disc master to the HDTV output? No internal deinterlacing? If so, I wonder what that might do to picture quality. Better HD-DVD than what we have yet seen?? Scary thought!

[magillagorilla]

Robert,

Any word on whether the a2 is fanless, as fan noise is my biggest complaint with the A1 that I have?

[ctakim]

Robert,

Any word on whether the a2 is fanless, as fan noise is my biggest complaint with the A1 that I have?

Weird, I have not even noticed mine.

[magillagorilla]

Weird, I have not even noticed mine.
I normally don't either but it was very loud tonight for some reason.

[HighDeff]

It's all black, a glossy polished piano black. Black is beautiful!

-Robert

Robert, this answer seems incorrect, only the A2 is glossy and polished but the XA2 is black and brushed. ;)

Look closer at these two photos.:

Toshiba XA2

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3976/hdxa2bb6.jpg

Toshiba A2

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3835/hda2pi6.jpg

So Robert, you´re using a photo of the A2, for both on your website.:

http://www.valueelectronics.com/Toshiba_HD-A2_and_HD-XA2.htm

[nic17]

Toshiba told me the max I can get on my first allocation is 1000 HD-A2s and 350 HD-XA2s. Not sure how many I'll actually receive as first allocations are always limited.

At CES in January 2006 I ordered 1300 HD-A1s and got 150 pieces.

-Robert

I just checked out your website. Do you only sell Toshiba electronics?

[jmpage2]

I just checked out your website. Do you only sell Toshiba electronics?

What does it matter what they sell? They are a Toshiba e-commerce dealer and Robert is a longtime provider of valuable information here.

[nic17]

Toshiba told me the max I can get on my first allocation is 1000 HD-A2s and 350 HD-XA2s. Not sure how many I'll actually receive as first allocations are always limited.

At CES in January 2006 I ordered 1300 HD-A1s and got 150 pieces.

-Robert


Was also wondering if you new were these things were going to be made. Are the HD-A2's going to be outsourced to ORION in tawain like toshiba's plasmas are? Was thinking of returning my D1 because I don't think I can take the slow load times but I have to admit the HD-A2 looks like its flimsy and made in Tawain. Please try to find out were the HD-A2's will be made because on only have about 15 days left to return my D1.

[jmpage2]

Did I say it mattered what he sold? I just find it strange he only sells Toshiba stuff. I own a HD-D1, so don't be afraid I not a Blu-Ray fan boy! :eek: I have to tell you though some off you HD-DVD worshipers are hillarious. Dude get a life! :D

Your comment came across as an insinuation that Robert is some sort of Toshiba shill. If you wanted to know about his website all you had to do was PM the guy instead of spamming up the thread with a moronic question that had nothing to do with the thread topic.

[egcarter]

Hi Robert -

This is the first CEDIA I've missed in years (had to cancel at the last minute). So your reports are wonderful to see and read. Thanks so much for all your efforts.

Off topic ... How's Denver handling the show? Do they have registration kiosks in the area hotels like in Indy? And what are the dates of next year's CEDIA?

Now, back to topic. How long will your pre-order special be up on the HD-XA2?

Thanks again.


Denver is kicking Indy's butt for CEDIA. They had a registration desk at the airport! That's where I printed out my badge.
They are using 310,000 sf of space at the Convention Center...30% more than in Indy. If you need to drive, parking is relative breeze.

Eric

[egcarter]

The Toshiba press release announcing the new players says under IMPORTANT NOTES:

"HD-XA2 HD DVD content output at 1080p available only as a result of up-conversion."

What does that mean?

Eric

[jmpage2]

The Toshiba press release announcing the new players says under IMPORTANT NOTES:

"HD-XA2 HD DVD content output at 1080p available only as a result of up-conversion."

What does that mean?

Eric

It means that they are doing the same thing the Sammy does and de-interlacing the 1080i internally for 1080p output.

In other words, still not reading the native 1080p from the disc and transmitting it losslessly to the display as 1080p.

And in the final stab, none of this matters because 1080i is perfectly accepteable for virtually any 1080p cap