I am new here, so I am sorry if this has come up before. I am not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I want to get a HDTV and one of my concerns is how older 8 bit and 16 bit systems look on these sets.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Xbox 360 and I am planning on getting a Wii and PS3 eventually as well. And I know these will look awesome on HD , but for some reason, I can't give up playing my older systems. I play my Super Nintendo and Gameboy advance games through the Gameboy player on the Gamecube just as much, if not more than my 360.

So, does anyone play their NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, Saturn, TurboGrafx 16, Etc. on their HDTVs? How about Gameboy & Gameboy advance games through the Gameboy player? If so, How do they look? What kind of cables do you use? Can you post some screenshots?

Thank's!

The older 2D systems hold up fairly well. Once you hit the Saturn and PS1 they look terrible. The low res 3D grapics are jaggie as hell on an HDTV. The N64 with its texture bluring is much smoother. I have had all of the above on our HDTV at one point or another but I do not own any of ther GB players so not sure about those.

Thank's for the reply Frank! I really appreciate all the feedback I can get : ) I am glad to hear that the 2D systems hold up well. I kind of figured that early 3D would look worse.

Didn't the original Nintendo come with a composite cable? I think every system since then has at least composite.

rdank, yes the original Nintendo has composite. With my current TV, a 27 inch sony, I use at least composite and preferably S- Video if the system can use it. I am curious though, if composite would look better than S-Video on HDTV because of the built in scaler, or is it still better to use the better cables?

The Snes/nes/sega look great on my set.

When I connect a ps2/ps1/DC/n64 they go to complete hell and look discolored and washed out and really stretched out!

I am gaming on 32" lcd set...

I've been thinking of connecting all of my older consoles that look like crap up to my PC and outputting it to tv via VGA..My video card allows this and running NES games emulated on my pc and viewing them via VGA on lcd set looks too good...I hope to find success this way w/ my consoles as well...This is what I plan on doing w/ the Wii as 480i just isnt going to cut it via composites/components..

spinksjinx, I am curious of how VGA would make older systems look as well. Let me know the results if you try this! I wish Nintendo made the Wii more HDTV compatible.

spinksjinx, I am curious of how VGA would make older systems look as well. Let me know the results if you try this! I wish Nintendo made the Wii more HDTV compatible.

I might give it a try tomorrow if I dont get called into work.

Got a console of choice you want me to try? I can post standard composite pics connected directly to the set and pics of the console connected to the pc via composites but outputs to the tv set via VGA....

I would hope it wouldnt look as dull and washed out...I shall keep my fingers crossed because if true I found a way to enjoy my Wii even more....

spinksjinx, It would be awesome if you could try it with the Super Nintendo, so I could see what 2D looks like. I would also be interested in seeing either PS1 or N64 for low rez 3D. Pics to compare would be great!
Thank's!

spinksjinx, It would be awesome if you could try it with the Super Nintendo, so I could see what 2D looks like. I would also be interested in seeing either PS1 or N64 for low rez 3D. Pics to compare would be great!
Thank's!

No problem, with those two...

Would the Mario games be sufficient???

Super Mario World and Super Mario 64, I have others but they are normally the ones w/ the best color scheme to show off imo..

I could do ps1 but my girlfriend has it at her house but snes/64 is possible...Will do them up tomorrow morning provided I dont get called into work...I will just post the pics up in this thread.

spinksjinx, The Mario games would be perfect for both systems, in fact, I actually used both Super Mario World and Super Mario 64 to test my current tv's picture quality when I first got it! Hopefully you won't have to go to work tomorrow : )

Posting them here would be cool. I wouldn't mind seeing them either.

i'm running an N64 into my Denon 2807 and HDMI out to my pj. it actually looks decent. played alot of mariokart and nfl blitz 2000. I was expecting it to be really bad and ended up pleasantly surprised.

I found one of those controllers with the built-in Atari games on clearance at Gamestop. The old Atari games look pretty good on my HDTV. :)

mrlittlejeans, the Denon 2807 is an audio receiver correct? I never even thought about running the system through a receiver and then through HDMI. I learn something new every day : )

ChrisPC, I was curious about Atari as well! How many games are built into it? Thank's for the input!

This forum is truly great for finding the answers I am looking for!

I found a way to enjoy my Wii even more....

:D

spinksjinx, It would be awesome if you could try it with the Super Nintendo, so I could see what 2D looks like. I would also be interested in seeing either PS1 or N64 for low rez 3D. Pics to compare would be great!
Thank's!
For an adequate representation of PS1, look through one of these:
http://www.hildreths.com/IMAGES/Colander.jpg

It will be real close, it is almost worth keeping an older 4x3 SDTV around if you really wanna play PS1.

darthrsg, Yes, I kind of figured PS1 would look terrible and imagine it would look like looking through a strainer with all its jaggies, pixels and glimmering. I am curious if there is a way though to make it look closer to an image on a SDTV.

Apparently the compatibility of older game systems/games with current HDTV's varies from one manufacturer/model to the next. Here's the experiences of a fellow gamer, bile, that was kind-enough to do a test for me on his Sharp 37D90U LCD (a 1080p set):

I did some extensive testing of videogame consoles on my LC37D90U tonight.

Definitions:
Jumps: The whole image jumps up and down, including any overlays (menu, etc) by several pixels. It's worse with Quick Shot on. Causes the image to be blurry and just simply annoying.
Good: Things work fine

NES: Composite : Looks bad, better with QS on, otherwise fine
SNES: S-Video & Composite : Good, very faint ghosting which seem to go away with QS on
N64 : S-Video & Composite : Jumps, would look very good otherwise
Gamecube: Component : looks great, depends on game, 480P obviously nicer looking
Xbox : Component : Looks good... especially 720P and 1080P
Saturn : S-Video & Composite : jumps, would look good otherwise
Dreamcast : S-Video : all Good
3DO : S-Video : all good
NeoGeo CD : S-Video : jumps, would look very clean otherwise
Turbo Duo : Composite : jumps, probably look good otherwise
PSone : Composite : jumps, very blurry
PS2 : Component : very clear, PS1 games almost too clear
Phillips CD-I 220 : S-Video : good, very clear

Couldn't test Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Atari Jaguar. Don't have composite or s-video cables for them ATM. Didn't bother testing anything which didn't have at least composite.

Main Version: 1.09 (U 2006/04/28 1)
BOOT Version: OLYMB1.00

I'm getting this TV replaced Friday so if the version is different I'll try things again and post if different.

bile got his new 37D90U TV and ran the same battery of tests for me. Same result. Moral of the story? Don't throw or give away the old CRT until you've made sure the old systems you own (and don't plan on throwing off a building) are compatible with your new HDTV. When I end up upgrading to HDTV (soon I hope) I'm keeping my 27" SD Sony CRT in a corner of the apartment for whenever I have the urge for some PS1 or TurboDuo action. :)

Got some positive news it turns out my breakout box was bad so I picked up another one and now I can play the snes and others through my video card.

Pics to come later tonight (no later than 10:30)

Just check this thread.

I don't know how much it helps but emulators have the ability to make games look good on sets that otherwise might not look good...

I emulate old consoles on my computer and with the right settings they look nice and smooth. I also emulate SNES and NES on my XBOX and even on my 85 inch screen they don't look half bad.

spinksjinx, sorry to hear that your breakout box was bad and happy that you got a replacement that works. I really appreciate you taking time out to check this out! I will keep checking back for the pics.

Devedander, I also have emulators on my PC, although I really only download games that were originally only in Japanese and were converted to english, and think they look great. I didn't initially want to hook up my PC to a HDTV, but might give this a try, once I get a TV that is ;)

I am also interested in trying to mod my XBOX to run emulators. Did you do this yourself? Was it complicated? Do you know of any web sites that could walk me through it?

Thank's! :)

Modding an xbox is easy. I modded mine myself without too much difficulty. You can do everything just by software mods without opening the xbox. Though it's nice to replace the HDD (which will require physically opening the xbox of course) so you can just rip all your xbox and PS1 games to your xbox. You don't have to get up to switch games, load times are shorter, and seeks are more or less inaudible, unlike reading from a CD. I can dig out links for you later. (I hope it's okay to talk about this--I only have xbox and ps1 games I actually own).

Anyway, I agree with the earlier comments. I don't have an HDTV... (well, I have a CRT that can do 1080i, so I guess I do). But I can see why PS1 doesn't look as smooth as the older consoles. Still, the cool thing about playing PS1 games on your xbox is you can scale the resolutions. This lowers FPS and its usefulness varies per game, but it's possible. Hopefully the PS1 emulator continuse to be improved so games work better.

fanerman, This sounds great! I am willing to try to replace the Hard drive, as I have opened up many consoles before to refurbish them. So it is mostly just software mods? I too hope this is okay to talk about :confused:

When you say scaling the resolutions, do you mean you can play the games in 720p or 1080i? Or is it the same as scaling the resolutions on a PC emulator?

Any links you could give me would be great!

Thank's! :)

dad1153, Thank's for the info, I am looking for as much feedback on as many older consoles as possible, and also the different Tvs people use! I personally am leaning towards a Sony HD CRT.

I know that ultimately trying it out for my self would be the best idea, and I am also keeping my SD Sony 27 inch CRT to put in the bedroom, which I will hook up my older systems up to if it comes down to that, but I was really hoping that there was some way to make my older consoles look just as good, if not better on a HDTV.

Thank's!

dad1153, Thank's for the info, I am looking for as much feedback on as many older consoles as possible, and also the different Tvs people use!

No problem. As soon as I get my own HDTV (still shopping after six months :( ) the first thing I'm doing is testing every old system I own that hooks-up to a TV (even my Nomad! :D ) and testing the response time, compatibility, etc. If I luck out and all of them work (no chance in hell of this happening but a guy can dream) the CRT will be donated to charity or tossed out the window (I can use the spare room).

spinksjinx, sorry to hear that your breakout box was bad and happy that you got a replacement that works. I really appreciate you taking time out to check this out! I will keep checking back for the pics.

Just to follow up if its not the hardware its the software and now w/ the new box hooked up its not even recognizing the video through their software! This would be a whole lot easier if ATI wasnt so crappy....

Still working on getting those pics, hopefully I get them up shortly (I already got the composite ones done) if not will do after my 2nd job interview tomorrow...But I will mess with it a bit longer tonight.

All my old consoles (NES, SNES, Saturn, PS1, DC, etc) look just fine via s-video on my Infocus X1 projector. NES over composite cables is a bit rough - color bleeding from the composite connection - but OK.

Of course my pj is only 800x600, so there's not that much upscaling going on.

spinksjinx, I am sorry that you are having difficulties with the software. :( As much as I would like to see the pics, don't go crazy over it. You must be very busy with your job and even going for a second job. I would hate for this project to cause you any stress.

I really appreciate you taking time out to check this out for me :)

spinksjinx, I am sorry that you are having difficulties with the software. :( As much as I would like to see the pics, don't go crazy over it. You must be very busy with your job and even going for a second job. I would hate for this project to cause you any stress.

I really appreciate you taking time out to check this out for me :)

I dumped ATI and found a program called showshifter works fairly well but it doesnt fill up the whole screen on my lcd set...I dont know if thats a good thing or a bad thing becuase of how putrid the composites looked blown up. Anyways it isnt a burden, I enjoy tinkering with that kind of stuff so I dont mind at all....

Anyways here it is

Snes Composites-4:3 when it stretched the image for 16:9 it looked even worst....Not shabby though. Look at the problems in the lettering it looks like crap!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/snescomposite.jpg

Snes VGA-Widescreen image not to much of a difference really except that when in widescreen it doesnt crop any of the image and is fairly clean..Not a whole lot difference really...Like I said nes/snes look great on my tv for some reason..Also this is upconverted to 720p.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/snesvga.jpg

N64 composites-I am using a 3mp camera and the camera does no justice on how crappy this looks..The jaggies on Mario and the area looks really blocky and isnt enjoyable at all...I know I couldnt stand to play it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/n64composite.jpg

N64 VGA-A LOT cleaner looking not as blocky and not as many jaggies...The picture isnt as blurry...I really liked the look of it...The downfall was that I couldnt get it to fill the whole screen but perhaps once again thats a good thing...Of course this is due to the software as other working software will let it take up the whole screen..If anybody has any suggestions of a good tv tuner player that would be great. ..I think the detal on the castle is definately enhanced by the vga output..But it could be me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/n64vga.jpg

Overall I think its hit or miss on the consoles, I think I might keep them hooked up via VGA and play a few more games and see how I like it...Hope this helps you out.

I've got everything from pre-2600 Atari systems to current gen consoles hooked up to a Samsung 51" DLP. IMO, the early stuff looks pretty good - it's around the SNES generation that things start to go bad. The early systems used very simple sprites - or even just blocks. On an HDTV, they look like simple sprites or blocks - just bigger.

The 8 and 16 bit systems used more complex sprites. Watching on a 19-24" slightly blurry TV, you could believe these things were Luke Skywalker, Joe Montana or whatever. But on a big, clear screen, they look like a big ugly blocks of dots. Kinda like standing too close to a pointillism painting. The games are still playable and a lot of fun - they just look better on smaller screens.

fanerman, This sounds great! I am willing to try to replace the Hard drive, as I have opened up many consoles before to refurbish them. So it is mostly just software mods? I too hope this is okay to talk about :confused:

When you say scaling the resolutions, do you mean you can play the games in 720p or 1080i? Or is it the same as scaling the resolutions on a PC emulator?

Any links you could give me would be great!

Thank's! :)

When I modded my xbox a few months ago, I followed this site (http://www.productwiki.com/microsoft_xbox/article/how_to_go_from_xbox_to_xbox_media_center_in_30_minutes.html) pretty much exactly. It's not too bad. You may have to do some reading though. Xbox Media Center is a good dashboard to use because it lets you launch lots of other programs (ie, emulators) easily, and is totally awesome by itself.

My main resource was xbox scene (http://www.xbox-scene.com/). The forums are pretty useful and it would be worthwhile to make an account, just read first before you ask questions. One caveat is that some tutorials may be out-of-date.

Replace the hard drive was a little trickier than modding the xbox, but it was still pretty easy. Just lots of steps. Still, there's plenty of info at xbox scene.

I think the emulators (all of them can scale, I think) scale the same way they would on a computer. Most emulators are just ports of a PC version. They give you options to play at 720p/1080i. I'm fairly certain they scale the image, but I've never tried it because my TV can do 480i/p so I just leave it at that and it looks good.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.

My genesis looks great on my sony e50a10, as does my neo-geo (but it has component :D ). havent tried the nes or snes or others yet.

I also want to add that emulations sucks ass bigtime compared to playing the real thing.
I have been nothing but disappointed by emulation, both on a modded xbox and on my computers.
Plus you're stealing if that matters to you..

spinksjinx, thank's so much for the pics!

I think the Super Mario world pic through composite actually looks fairly decent, although, I see what you mean with the lettering, it looks like red especially has some artifact. I hook up my SNES to my current TV with s-video. Would this look even better? I know S-video looks better than composite on a my SDTV, but I am not sure with an HDTV. It is kind of Hard to see the difference with the VGA, It looks a little smoother in the lettering, but also kind of blurrier overall.

With the Super Mario 64 pics, I can definitely see the difference. The composite makes it look really jaggy especially on the edges of the railing and bridge and around Mario. The VGA looks to have smoothed the jaggies out. I also Use S-video for N64 on my current set, and am curious if this would make a difference on a HDTV compared to composite.

Thank you, these pics helped a great deal! It gives me an idea of how these two systems would look on a HDTV with different hook up methods.

fanerman, Thank's for the links! this sounds like it will be a cool project! I will be sure to PM you if I need more help :cool:

With the Super Mario 64 pics, I can definitely see the difference. The composite makes it look really jaggy especially on the edges of the railing and bridge and around Mario. The VGA looks to have smoothed the jaggies out. I also Use S-video for N64 on my current set, and am curious if this would make a difference on a HDTV compared to composite.



I think the jaggies are there because the image is stretched. Try posting a screenshot of the game in 4:3. Games look even crappier in fat-people-vision than TV does.

I've certainly had no complaints on my 4:3 display at 800x600.

RassilonZero, I didn't know that Neo-Geo has component, again I learn something new! The e50a10 is a LCD RP correct? What kind of hook up do you use for your Genesis?

I agree that using the real thing thing is better than emulation. I much prefer owning an original copy of the game as I am also a game collector and nothing beats the feeling of using the correct controller. I have really only used emulators for older games that were never released in the U.S. and originally only had Japanese text. I usually import these games or buy them on ebay just to add them to my collection. I tried playing Seiken Densetsu 3 ( sequel to Secret of Mana never released in U.S. ) with a translation book, but it took forever just to read one sentence! This is where emulation has come in handy for me, as a translated version of the game is available to play.

NewNameGuy, Thank's for the info! I can imagine that on on a big screen you could make out every pixel of a 16-bit sprite and that it would make it look ugly. This kind of sucks!

GreenMonkey, fat-people-vision :D I like that term! If I get a wide screen TV I would definitely play these games in the 4:3 pillar box as I don't like the way the stretched image looks. I am still debating on getting a 4:3 VS 16:9. I know most people will say to go with 16:9 but I do play a ton of old 4:3 games.

RassilonZero, I didn't know that Neo-Geo has component, again I learn something new! The e50a10 is a LCD RP correct? What kind of hook up do you use for your Genesis?

They dont. The neo-geo can output RGB though, and in europe i believe you can get an SCART cable.
I built a consolized 2-slot MVS (arcade board) with an RGB->NTSC encoder that outputs composite, s-video and component, and it looks stunning.

Yea, the TV is a 3LCD RPTV. I use composite for the genesis, as thats the best you can get without modifying it. And since i have a CDX (the tiny genesis+segaCD combo), there isnt really much room for a custom video converter.
It looks surprisingly good though. I dragged my genesis, neo-geo and PS2 into circuit city and spent a few hours playing em on several TVs before making my decision :D

spinksjinx, thank's so much for the pics!

I think the Super Mario world pic through composite actually looks fairly decent, although, I see what you mean with the lettering, it looks like red especially has some artifact. I hook up my SNES to my current TV with s-video. Would this look even better? I know S-video looks better than composite on a my SDTV, but I am not sure with an HDTV. It is kind of Hard to see the difference with the VGA, It looks a little smoother in the lettering, but also kind of blurrier overall.

With the Super Mario 64 pics, I can definitely see the difference. The composite makes it look really jaggy especially on the edges of the railing and bridge and around Mario. The VGA looks to have smoothed the jaggies out. I also Use S-video for N64 on my current set, and am curious if this would make a difference on a HDTV compared to composite.

Thank you, these pics helped a great deal! It gives me an idea of how these two systems would look on a HDTV with different hook up methods.


No problem thats what the forums are here for glad I could help you out to a degree.

The changes was definately more noticeable in the n64 it seems consoles from those eras (ps1/n64/DC) all look like crap via composites but the older gens look fine....Looking over it now though the bridge is where you can see the refined detail the most via VGA.

I think the jaggies are there because the image is stretched. Try posting a screenshot of the game in 4:3. Games look even crappier in fat-people-vision than TV does.

I've certainly had no complaints on my 4:3 display at 800x600.

The image through composites is not stretched and is set at its native format of 4:3

*edit*

I just tried out WCW Mayhem and via composites it is jaggie and blocks galore...Im talking the ring ropes looks like chunks of blocks...Conncect it via VGA and they are smooth. :D

I am glad I tried this out its sparking my interest back into my n64.

I actually found I can't do Sega Genesis on my Infocus X1. I spent like $10 on a Model 1 composite cable for the Genesis. Only to find out that the bottom half of the picture was screwed up - hard to describe.

I actually was going to toss the Genesis, thinking it was broken. I bought a JVC X'eye on ebay only to find it had the same problem.

Some extensive googling found that it's a problem with specifically the X1 and the Genesis. Dunno. The only other way I could hook it up would be the old way, via RF through my VCR : no thanks. I hooked it up to my 27" SDTV instead.



The image through composites is not stretched and is set at its native format of 4:3



Oops, guess I was looking at the WS screenshots.

I have no complaints with my s-video consoles (Dreamcast, SNES, PS2, PS1) - svid looks great! NES is tolerable minus the color bleeding. Never got to see Genesis since it's incompatible with my X1.

No n64 to talk about, though - the few n64 games I wanted were mostly supplanted by superior GC games - Mario Kart, Zelda GC collector disk, etc. The only n64 game I really wanted to play was Star Fox 64, since Star Fox Assault sucked.

RassilonZero, I should probably also bring a few of my systems into the store to test them on different TVs. The arcade board idea sounds interesting!

spinksjinx, I am glad that this has once again sparked interest in your N64!

GreenMonkey, That sucks that The Genesis does not work with your set up, I am glad you mentioned this though, so that if the same happens to me, I know it isn't my Genesis. Thank's for the feedback on the S-video consoles! This is mostly what I use for my systems on my current TV along with a switcher since my TV only has one S-video input. Yes, most of the best N64 games were ported to other platforms.

I would like to keep this thread going. Does anyone else have older systems hooked up to their HDTVs? How are they looking? I would love to see some more pics! :)

I would like to keep this thread going. Does anyone else have older systems hooked up to their HDTVs? How are they looking? I would love to see some more pics! :)


I've got my DC/Genesis/Nes all hooked up at the moment...

Since my 360 is being sent out for repairs I have been on a huge Snes kick...I busted that out and played me some Super Star Wars last night...Great stuff!

Their is a flea market about 10 miles from where I am right now and I am going to check and see if they got any old cool games...I am not a big RPG fan but I was looking up and did some research on Earthbound and that is my number 1 game to get right now...So hopefully I will find some luck, I might retire my 360 if I can find that game...

I am not a big RPG fan but I was looking up and did some research on Earthbound and that is my number 1 game to get right now...So hopefully I will find some luck, I might retire my 360 if I can find that game...

Might be tough.. I think Earthbound is a rare collector's item that fetches big bucks on ebay.

spinksjinx, Sorry to hear your 360 is busted, that sucks! Mine has been okay so far, knock on wood, but every time I turn it on I can't help but think it will crap out. It gets hot as hell!

SNES is my favorite system ever! The Super Star Wars series is great! Earthbound is very hard to find at any flea market, pawn shop or used game store. Your best bet is to get it on ebay or half.com I got mine on ebay about a year ago and it is actually a pretty good game. Although I am a RPG fan :)

Might be tough.. I think Earthbound is a rare collector's item that fetches big bucks on ebay.

I've got a prized copy mint in the box with the player's guide and stickers and everything. Picked it up about 7 years ago for $70. These days it'd go for around $100 - $200 on eBay, though the cartridge alone can be had for a fraction of that (around $50). Heck, I saw the box go for $50+. :eek:

My advice? Get a Wii when it comes out and buy it as a Virtual Console title for $8. That way it's cheap AND it'll look great on your TV.

Tybee gives a good point. Earthbound should be available for the Wii's virtual console since it is a first party Nintendo developed title.

It is rumored to be on the list of 30 initial titles that will be available in the VC at launch. If not, it's inevitable that it will come out soon, as Nintendo has promised 10 new VC games each month.

Since my 360 is being sent out for repairs I have been on a huge Snes kick...I busted that out and played me some Super Star Wars last night...Great stuff! Super Star Wars Games = Too Danm Hard. One of the few times emulation (and save states) beat the real thing.

PS - Anyone know if the VC games are going to have any enhanced features - save states - auto fires - etc?

Super Star Wars Games = Too Danm Hard. One of the few times emulation (and save states) beat the real thing.

PS - Anyone know if the VC games are going to have any enhanced features - save states - auto fires - etc?

No one knows yet. A lot of people are hoping for leader boards, saves, and God willing, online play, but Nintendo hasn't said what the games will or will not include, nor released a complete list of VC titles that will be available at launch.

My prediction? Early VC releases will just be faithful ports of the originals with little added functionality. But within six months to a year, as Nintendo develops the Wii's online presence, expect to see more robust feature sets on classic titles, possibly including updates for VC titles already released.

I'd like to see them learn from the mistakes of Xbox Live Arcade. But who knows?

Thank's for the info guys, I am really looking forward to the Wii and it's virtual console, but Maybe a separate thread should be started about this.

I would like to hear more about how older game systems look on HDTVs and some pics if possible.

I would go the VC route but nothing beats the physical item of a game of that magnitude!..I could just emulate it on my pc if I wanted it via VC... Besides I HIGHLY doubt that game will make it onto the VC. Id expect FF3/Chrono Trigger before Earthbound (which sucked IMO)...But I love the snes controller and aside from work I have a light schedule this semester at the university so I figure I could get some good gaming in as that wont be the cause come January.

Unfortunately Nintendo has stated time and time again the Mother/Earthbound series would never make it stateside...Which sucks...

Im not an RPG fan because of its constant correlation w/ the sci-fi genre...But Earthbound takes a page from 50s cheesy sci-fi spoofs (ed wood anyone) and the 60s...Plus its on Earth so I am all for that...

Level99-I will try and throw some NES composites/vga pics up today..Not a guarantee but I might if I have some free time...Can probably do some Dreamcasts one as well.

spinksjinx, I totally agree that nothing beats owning the physical game. I collect games as well as play them. I make sure to keep all original boxes and manuals and keep them as mint as possible.

It does suck that Nintendo decided not to release the other Mother games here, I really wanted to try Mother 3 for Gameboy advance.

My favorite genre is RPG, I prefer them to be Fantasy style ( Wizards, Dragons, Knights, Castles Etc.) but like them in any setting. Final Fantasy 3 for SNES is actually my favorite game of all time. Of course, I play and love many other genres as well, there's no way I could just play RPG after RPG, I need to have lots of variety. And of course everyone is entitled to there own opinion, my brother hates RPGs and my wife, who doesn't play many games but likes to watch, thinks they are boring as hell! Different stokes for different folks :D

I actually just watched Ed Wood again the other day, Great movie!

I would love to see some NES and Dreamcast pics!

Anyone else have any pics they could post? Any game on any older system will do ;)

It does suck that Nintendo decided not to release the other Mother games here, I really wanted to try Mother 3 for Gameboy advance.

My favorite genre is RPG, I prefer them to be Fantasy style ( Wizards, Dragons, Knights, Castles Etc.) but like them in any setting. Final Fantasy 3 for SNES is actually my favorite game of all time. Of course, I play and love many other genres as well, there's no way I could just play RPG after RPG, I need to have lots of variety. And of course everyone is entitled to there own opinion, my brother hates RPGs and my wife, who doesn't play many games but likes to watch, thinks they are boring as hell! Different stokes for different folks :D

I hope you own a DS. FF3 (well, FF3 in Japan) has been completely redone and is being released on the DS, the first time the game is being released Stateside. Meanwhile, FFV and FFVI (aka your beloved FF3) are being released for GameBoy Advance.

I might just need to get a scaler to get all my old systems connected up to my projector :-)

Tybee, Yes I have a DS lite and cant wait to add the real Final Fantasy 3 to my game collection! I previously only tried this on a NES emulator , but could not get all the way through because it kept crashing. I like the way they remade it with 3D graphics! Kind of reminds me of the graphics in FFIX or Tactics.

I also plan on getting the GBA versions of V & VI, even though I already have my SNES FF3(VI) and Final Fantasy Anthology for PS1 :)

romantcnj, if you get a scaler, let me know how it turns out!

Wow just wow I just tried out WCW revenge outputting vga onto my lcd set and look at this!...No jaggies and crisp and clear!!! I cant believe how great this looks...It is better than it ever looked several years ago!..The blur in the bottom is my camera not the game.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0679.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0678.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0677.jpg

Im probably going to try out my genesis later this week or something....

Super Mario NES via VGA

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0681-1.jpg

This one wouldnt go to widescreen and kept its native format unlike the n64 Revenge...Which impressed me because even at widescreen the wrestling title still looked stellar. This one doesnt look to shabby. As stated in previous post I will do some Genesis titles tonight...Got any suggestion of games?

Awesome! More pics! Thank's spinksjinx! WCW Revenge does look excellent! Super Mario Bros looks great too, as good as I have ever seen it! They look much better than I would have ever imagined.

For Genesis, It would be cool to see any of the Sonic the Hedgehog games or Ecco the Dolphin or Beyond Oasis if you have them. Also, any of the old Madden's or other sports titles would be cool for variety.

Thank's spinksjinx! You have given me a great idea of how these old games will look.

Awesome! More pics! Thank's spinksjinx! WCW Revenge does look excellent! Super Mario Bros looks great too, as good as I have ever seen it! They look much better than I would have ever imagined.

For Genesis, It would be cool to see any of the Sonic the Hedgehog games or Ecco the Dolphin or Beyond Oasis if you have them. Also, any of the old Madden's or other sports titles would be cool for variety.

Thank's spinksjinx! You have given me a great idea of how these old games will look.

Im going to try my best and get my Genesis going tonight...I have all of the Sonic titles so that shouldnt be an issue...Same goes for Ecco....Madden isnt a problem I think I have 95 stored away.

If their is any other titles from n64/nes/genesis at this point just ask I recently found a huge box of my old games that were lost in the move plus my nephew has gobs and my g/f has a few...So getting the major titles probably wont be that hard....

Revenge has still given the best results...I was amazed to see the quality.....

More to come later tonight.

spinksjinx,

that original mario from nes looks like the only pic in 4:3. The ones from the previous page looked like widescreen and then stretched from widescreen to 2.35:1. Is it a bad camera angle or were the mario64 pictures truly in 4:3?

someone earlier mentioned getting a scaler. i have a DVDO line doubler/deinterlacer from my crt projector days (8" Barco on a 72" 4:3 screen) that i used a while ago on a previous pj (84" 4:3 screen) that didn't do a very good job on the video games. the denon 2807 takes an SD source, deinterlaces it, and outputs 480p over HDMI. it looks better than the DVDO iscan did and i'm projecting onto a 110" diagonal 16:9 screen with a 720p pj. i'm not stretching the picture though.

spinksjinx,

that original mario from nes looks like the only pic in 4:3. The ones from the previous page looked like widescreen and then stretched from widescreen to 2.35:1. Is it a bad camera angle or were the mario64 pictures truly in 4:3?

someone earlier mentioned getting a scaler. i have a DVDO line doubler/deinterlacer from my crt projector days (8" Barco on a 72" 4:3 screen) that i used a while ago on a previous pj (84" 4:3 screen) that didn't do a very good job on the video games. the denon 2807 takes an SD source, deinterlaces it, and outputs 480p over HDMI. it looks better than the DVDO iscan did and i'm projecting onto a 110" diagonal 16:9 screen with a 720p pj. i'm not stretching the picture though.


Yeah I said I couldnt get the Mario (nes) to go widescreen but the n64 had no problem doing so.

The first Snes photo is 4:3 through composites the second Snes photo is a widescreen image. As was the first n64 super mario 4:3 and 2nd being widescreen.

Personally I would disregard those photos of VGA conversion because I was using a crappy program which wouldnt let me fill the screen or give it a native resolution....WCW revenge is being outputted to 720p via my HTPC to my lcd set and it filled the whole screen the Super Mario Bros. NES title is 4:3 it wouldnt fill the screen instead it remained at its native size.

Id also be willing to redo the shots from my previous posts outputting to VGA in widescreen or native format...They would probably look a hell of a lot better since I got the bugs worked out and running smooth now.

Awesome! More pics! Thank's spinksjinx! WCW Revenge does look excellent! Super Mario Bros looks great too, as good as I have ever seen it! They look much better than I would have ever imagined.

For Genesis, It would be cool to see any of the Sonic the Hedgehog games or Ecco the Dolphin or Beyond Oasis if you have them. Also, any of the old Madden's or other sports titles would be cool for variety.

Thank's spinksjinx! You have given me a great idea of how these old games will look.


Sonic 2-Looks great in my mind the colors are really vivid good stuff.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0682.jpg

Madden 98-Looks like crap just like it did when it was released :D ...Doesnt look jaggy or anything but the game just flat out sucks in terms of visuals...The colors arent washed out though...If you played any of these games you know its a pain to watch.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0684.jpg

Ecco-The blur is in the camera from the game being in movement...I was doing a dash into the rocks...Screen tearing at the bottom...Looked good but did notice a bit of tearing when I would jump in and out of water...I am not sure if its the game or my pc but I never saw anything like that on Sonic and it is far more fast paced.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0683.jpg


Since I've got everything under control and in working order I have no issues in giving these shots (provided I have or know someone who has the game)....So I hope these help you out, they are a widescreen image although it was pretty full on the top and on the sides I noticed a bout 1/2" was left black under the picture. This is noticeable in Sonic 2 photo...The only console so far to give me a precise 1366x768 widescreen stretch was the n64...But my HTPC is set to 720p so thats probably why its not giving the full resolution although none of the game footage is missing and cropped.

spinksjinx, Thank's for the Genesis pics! Sonic 2 looks Great! Madden 98 does look just as crappy as ever but no worse. I can tell Ecco looks nice even though it's blurry and I can see the screen tearing.

As for other games I would like to see, I could go on and on, as I have a huge collection of classics. I guess for NES I would like to see any Castlevania, Metroid , Legend of Zelda and Final Fantasy. On N64 it would be cool to see either of the Zeldas, Goldeneye, and either Conker's bad fur day or one of the Banjo Kazooie games. I would also really like to see a PS1 game as well, either played on an original PS1 or a PS2, if you have any.

Of course, I don't want you to feel obligated to do this, you have already been beyond helpful, so if you feel you don't want to post more pics, don't worry about it. :)

spinksjinx, Thank's for the Genesis pics! Sonic 2 looks Great! Madden 98 does look just as crappy as ever but no worse. I can tell Ecco looks nice even though it's blurry and I can see the screen tearing.

As for other games I would like to see, I could go on and on, as I have a huge collection of classics. I guess for NES I would like to see any Castlevania, Metroid , Legend of Zelda and Final Fantasy. On N64 it would be cool to see either of the Zeldas, Goldeneye, and either Conker's bad fur day or one of the Banjo Kazooie games. I would also really like to see a PS1 game as well, either played on an original PS1 or a PS2, if you have any.

Of course, I don't want you to feel obligated to do this, you have already been beyond helpful, so if you feel you don't want to post more pics, don't worry about it. :)

I dont have Final Fantasy for NES but I do have Metroid and a few Zeldas...I can throw those up on their later today not a problem...I dont have Conkers for the n64 but I do have OoT and Goldeneye....I can do those as well without a hassle...

If you want to give me a few days I can get my ps1 hooked up and do the photos to those as well..

But the n64/nes ones can do no problem at all...Expect those later tonight.

Here I got my ps1 hooked up...

This is Gran Turismo 2...I tried this out real quick, I have to head out to school right now but I can do more games later for the ps1....The Zelda/metroid titles will come tonight....I can get some FF7 screens up if you want those....Any particular title for the ps1????

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0691.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0690.jpg

Any particular title for the ps1????

Whatever your fair heart desires, we're thankful for the favor of you posting these shots for our amusement! Post what pleases you more.

Whatever your fair heart desires, we're thankful for the favor of you posting these shots for our amusement! Post what pleases you more.


I've got a shelf full of ps1 games :D Im going to throw up some FF7/Tenchu 1 and Tekken 3 and maybe Resident Evil...Still unsure to many to decide.

But anyways here is some n64/Nes ones....I tried GoldenEye out but for some reason the camera was taking nothing but blurry shots so I am going to try it tomorrow morning when their is some daylight around instead...But here is some Zelda/Metroid from nes/n64

Metroid-Disregard the flash every picture looks distorted without it and I thought it was better to be seen with a flash in the middle with fine detail elsewhere rather than blurry all around, another decent title.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0731.jpg

Zelda 1 NES-Same comment for Metroid good stuff

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0722.jpg


Zelda 2-I think these ones look great, almost as good as the Sonic photos
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0724.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0723.jpg

Ocarina of Time-Camera doesnt do this justice
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0714.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0721.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/spinksjinx/DSCF0719.jpg


Enjoy!

Thank's once again for the pics spinksjinx! All are looking good!

As for PS1 games I would like to see, you already named some of them, Final Fantasy 7, any Resident Evil title, Tekken. FF8 & 9 and Silent hill would be cool as well, if you have them.

Just like dad1153 said, post anything that you enjoy and pleases you the most, you are truly doing us a favor and it is greatly appreciated.

I just hooked up my SNES to my 42" Sony LCD...but I've got horrible scan lines. Is that because I've just got it going through coax? Should I just get a S-Video cable like this one (http://www.amazon.com/S-Video-Cable-SNES-Gamecube/dp/B000F0QPI6/sr=8-11/qid=1160284999/ref=pd_bbs_11/102-7392751-4980937?ie=UTF8&s=videogames)? Has anyone else experienced this or are using a coax connection where it works fine?

quank1half, while I still don't have an HDTV, I have heard that it is best to use the best connection the system is capable of using. The best the SNES has, at least the U.S. version, is S-Video. On my old standard Def Sony I use S-Video for my SNES and it makes a pretty big improvement in picture quality over coax. I would assume it would be the same for your LCD. I actually use the Monster brand S-Video cable that is made for the Gamecube. It works with SNES and N64 too because all three systems have the same A/V out.

I just hooked up my SNES to my 42" Sony LCD...but I've got horrible scan lines. Is that because I've just got it going through coax? Should I just get a S-Video cable like this one (http://www.amazon.com/S-Video-Cable-SNES-Gamecube/dp/B000F0QPI6/sr=8-11/qid=1160284999/ref=pd_bbs_11/102-7392751-4980937?ie=UTF8&s=videogames)? Has anyone else experienced this or are using a coax connection where it works fine?


I had my Genesis connected via Coaxial on my LCD set in the past and never had scan lines...

One of the first things I did after installing my projector was took hook up an old SNES to see how it looked. It was great :)

quank1half, while I still don't have an HDTV, I have heard that it is best to use the best connection the system is capable of using. The best the SNES has, at least the U.S. version, is S-Video. On my old standard Def Sony I use S-Video for my SNES and it makes a pretty big improvement in picture quality over coax. I would assume it would be the same for your LCD. I actually use the Monster brand S-Video cable that is made for the Gamecube. It works with SNES and N64 too because all three systems have the same A/V out.

Yeah, definitely use S-Video for the SNES and N64 (and component for the GameCube, if your unit supports it). You will see a HUGE improvement from composite to S-Video with these systems, ESPECIALLY if you're using an HD set (or even if you're not).

Here is the cable being discussed: http://www.monstercable.com/monstergame/gamecube/

I think you mean S-Video, not SVHS :)

I think you mean S-Video, not SVHS :)

You are correct, sir. Change made.

I went and got the S-Video connector for my TV and looks great now :)

Originally Posted by quank1half
I went and got the S-Video connector for my TV and looks great now :)

I'm glad to hear it worked out for you :)

I went and got the S-Video connector for my TV and looks great now :)
quank1half---is that an original snes you have working with s video or a newer one?thanks

I enjoyed this thread alot and sorry to see it die out.I have to ask,has anyone tried (or can try) any older systems through a dvdo iscan vp50??I've already paid for mine through Jason at avs but its taking a looooooong time.I'm wondering will it get rid of the jaggies on something like the snes on a jvc dila??

Does ANYONE have a newer smaller version of the snes working with s video cable?I tried the monster one for gamecube andits not working.I'm thinking it only works with the original snes?thanks!

Now I just need someone to make an HDTV lightgun that will plug into the original nintendo... heh... is it too much to ask to be able to play duck hunt again?

I enjoyed this thread alot and sorry to see it die out.I have to ask,has anyone tried (or can try) any older systems through a dvdo iscan vp50??I've already paid for mine through Jason at avs but its taking a looooooong time.I'm wondering will it get rid of the jaggies on something like the snes on a jvc dila??

Yeah, I was hoping the thread would continue longer too, but it did answer my original question pretty well.

I too have been interested in seeing what the iscan can do. If no one else answers your question, let me know how it works out for you once you get it :)

Does ANYONE have a newer smaller version of the snes working with s video cable?I tried the monster one for gamecube andits not working.I'm thinking it only works with the original snes?thanks!

I have the original version of the SNES. I did some research and the redesigned smaller SNES can only do coax. It can be modified to use an s-video cable (do a google search), but it would probably be easier to just buy an original SNES on ebay or a used game store. I have seen them go for as little as $20.00 on ebay.

Now I just need someone to make an HDTV lightgun that will plug into the original nintendo... heh... is it too much to ask to be able to play duck hunt again?

I didn't even know that the light gun would not work with an HDTV :( It would be awesome if someone made one that worked!

Level99

lol thats my luck.I already ordered an orig snes so i can use the svideo connection.I'll let you know what happens when i get my iscan vp50.I'm hoping it works wonders on the jaggies for the snes and the n64,xbox etc

I have the original version of the SNES. I did some research and the redesigned smaller SNES can only do coax. It can be modified to use an s-video cable (do a google search), but it would probably be easier to just buy an original SNES on ebay or a used game store. I have seen them go for as little as $20.00 on ebay.


the redesign snes only do coax?

it comes with composite cable(yellow video and right and left audio)

Level99

lol thats my luck.I already ordered an orig snes so i can use the svideo connection.I'll let you know what happens when i get my iscan vp50.I'm hoping it works wonders on the jaggies for the snes and the n64,xbox etc

Cool! The S-Video definitely makes a big difference! Yes, please keep me updated on the iscan vp50! Post some pics if you can!

the redesign snes only do coax?

it comes with composite cable(yellow video and right and left audio)

OOPS! Sorry, I didn't realize it also did composite :)

[QUOTE=Level99]Cool! The S-Video definitely makes a big difference! Yes, please keep me updated on the iscan vp50! Post some pics if you can![/QUOTE

So far its not looking any better with s video compared to composite.I hooked up an N64 and put in Donkey Kong.None of my controllers are here at the moment so i just let the game run through start up screens and some in game scenes.Its horrendous jaggies everywhere.
Back when i had a flat tube tv,jvc(can't remember the model #) with a 4 mega 10 bit 3d yc digital comb filter composie video was better becasue it did not bypass the internal tuner.I'm not sure how it works on hdtv's anyone???

I didn't even know that the light gun would not work with an HDTV :( It would be awesome if someone made one that worked! The NES Lightgun uses very simple technology though should work with some, but not all HDTV's. And the issue is how the TV displays the image, so if it doesn't work with your TV, there's no way to build an "HD lightgun" that will solve the problem.

Oh, and yes, the smaller SNES uses composite just fine.

I don't think lightguns work with any projection TV like a DLP.

Lightgun tech depends on interlaced video. Lightguns will not work on any non-480i TV.

There's some guys that made an expensive lightgun that works on HDTVs using a tech kinda like the Wii sensor bar - it requires 2 sensors and triangulates using them. Dunno what the website is offhand.

Lightgun tech depends on interlaced video. Lightguns will not work on any non-480i TV.

There's some guys that made an expensive lightgun that works on HDTVs using a tech kinda like the Wii sensor bar - it requires 2 sensors and triangulates using them. Dunno what the website is offhand.

you are talking about the LCD Topgun.
http://www.hkems.com/m_main.htm
I have two of these, and they work with my hd rp crt, although there are some drawbacks.

the NES Zapper does not necessarily require interlaced video from what i understand. it does not use the timing of the crt gun for location, as the "traditional" light guns did. it uses high contrast blocks, hence the black and white flashing.

Lightgun tech depends on interlaced video. Lightguns will not work on any non-480i TV. Lightguns from the SNES -> PS2 era use the timing of a 480i signal to pinpoint where the gun is pointing. The NES zapper did not.

It still uses some very careful timing, which is why it won't work with all HDTV's. But it doesn't suffer from the same impossibility that GUNCON games face.

Lightguns from the SNES -> PS2 era use the timing of a 480i signal to pinpoint where the gun is pointing. The NES zapper did not.

It still uses some very careful timing, which is why it won't work with all HDTV's. But it doesn't suffer from the same impossibility that GUNCON games face.

I didn't know the NES gun might work!

I'm going to power up my NES & Zapper this week and see if it plays nice with my DLP projector :D

Ok i finally have my iscan vp50 and have my game systems hooked up.My tv is not calibrated yet and i only did some genreal settings with the vp50.

In game mode 1 on vp50,the snes and n64 using svideo and the vp50 outputting 1080P via hdmi.Definite improvement.Not any type of miracles but an overall general improvement which makes games ALOT more enjoyable.Alot less jagginess in the still backgrounds on say super marioworld as 1 example,less jaggies in moving characters,i do stress "less" here.

I didn't do an a/b comparison with the xbox but from memory it seems a good improvement.I put in super monkey ball deluxe and saw some ringing in the boards as you circle the board before you play but it seems like alot less ringing then i remember and again an overall general improvment.

Didn't try the gamecube or the ps2 yet.I screwed up the ps2 and switched the component outpt to rgb and i lost the siganl and cannot see the menu.If anyone knows how to reset the video output before i find my manual??thankyou

I'll see what i can do for pictures.I hate cameras.....I'll check with a relative and see if the sony mavica has a usb connection or else i'll have to buy a camera.Someone will have to post pics for me if anyones still interested in seeing the systems with the vp50?or else it'll never get done!

I don't know how much it helps but emulators have the ability to make games look good on sets that otherwise might not look good...

I second that. Emulators can render the graphics in the HDTV's native resolution and transmit them from the PC by DVI or VGA which means the games can look much sharper and higher-res than the original consoles graphics looked. You can also encode the original sounds into Dolby Digital if you have the hardware.

i have my old nintendo nes hooked up to my lc-37d42u using composite cable, and i am getting 1/4 second lag. i get the same with my ps2 over component cable.

this is because the nes is outputting 480i and the tv is upscaling it to 480p, introducing the lag.

my question is, isnt anyone else having this problem? interlace scaling lag should be on every hdtv since 480 is not a native resolution (unless you are running in a 'came mode' on the tv so it doesnt do upscaling). :(

i have my old nintendo nes hooked up to my lc-37d42u using composite cable, and i am getting 1/4 second lag. i get the same with my ps2 over component cable.

this is because the nes is outputting 480i and the tv is upscaling it to 480p, introducing the lag.

my question is, isnt anyone else having this problem? interlace scaling lag should be on every hdtv since 480 is not a native resolution (unless you are running in a 'came mode' on the tv so it doesnt do upscaling). :(Sorry to hear about that massive lag. Some TV's lag more than others. Here is a long thread about this issue: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=558125

My Sony KDLV26XBR1 lags about 2.5 frames (1/12th of a second) on 480i material, not too bad. I don't think it lags at all on 480p or 240p, and NES is 240p BTW, not 480i, although many sets don't understand that format and run it through the deinterlacer anyways thus introducing the lag - and some weird "vertical vibration" on scrolling plus "scan lines" when the console does fake transparency with sprite flickering. My XBR1 is nice enough to recognize it as proscan and not run it through the deinterlacer, which is very cool and avoids the lag and artifacting. All 8 and 16 bit consoles run 240p for practically all games BTW.

Here is a helpful link to a page where a guy did some testing of many TV's in a store, and found several LG branded sets that lagged less than one frame (1/30th of a second). http://hdtvlag.googlepages.com/ Those LGs might be worth a look.

thanks gigabit. i have read just about all that google has to offer about the problem. not much to do about a solution unless its incorporated into the tv.

just got an email from sharp email tech support, they want me to call and open a support ticket. they seem to be done answering my questions via email. dunno where this will go.

EDIT: i meant "game mode" in my prevous post. typo.

Hey everyone! just thought I would drop in to say that I finally got my first HDTV (Sony XBR970) a few months ago and everything looks really awesome on it!

NES, SNES, Genesis all actually looks better to me on this tv than my old tv but they do have problems with "screen tearing" where every few seconds it seems to have to redraw the picture, however this is just a graphical annoyance as the games I played play fine with no noticeable lag. NES and Genesis are hooked up with composite and SNES with S-Video

N64 looks great as well hooked up with S-Video and does not have any of the screen tearing problems that the older systems have.

PS1 games actually look much better than I thought they would. I play them on my PS2 hooked up with component cables and sure you notice all the pixelation a lot more, but if you are not sitting to close to the screen they look fine, about the same as my old tv.

Of course XBOX 360 looks awesome, but this thread is about the classics!

I unfortunately don't have a working camera right now otherwise I would take some pics.

This is a great comparison of how Super Mario Bros. looks on the original NES, two emulators, and on the Wii's Virtual Console:

http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/2/14/7044

Almost makes the case for shelling out for those overpriced VC releases. ;)

This is a great comparison of how Super Mario Bros. looks on the original NES, two emulators, and on the Wii's Virtual Console:

http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/2/14/7044

Almost makes the case for shelling out for those overpriced VC releases. ;)
Thats cool! It definitely looks best that way! I still need to get a Wii, and I am sure that I will go crazy purchasing games for the virtual console when I do. You can never own too many copies of your favorites :D

This is a great comparison of how Super Mario Bros. looks on the original NES, two emulators, and on the Wii's Virtual Console:

http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/2/14/7044

Almost makes the case for shelling out for those overpriced VC releases. ;)

Except that the Generation NEX and FC Twin aren't emulators, but hardware units. There are PC emulators for NES that look just as good (and probably more accurate in some instances) than the Virtual Console. :)

Except that the Generation NEX and FC Twin aren't emulators, but hardware units. There are PC emulators for NES that look just as good (and probably more accurate in some instances) than the Virtual Console. :)

Okay, HARDWARE emulators... There. Ya happy now? ;)

Anyway, chances are, if you're playing with a Generation NEX, an FC Twin, or any of the myriad software emulators, you're playing ROMs, which is, as we all know, illegal. But VC prices being what they are, Nintendo sure doesn't make it easy to be good.

Okay, HARDWARE emulators... There. Ya happy now? ;)

Anyway, chances are, if you're playing with a Generation NEX, an FC Twin, or any of the myriad software emulators, you're playing ROMs, which is, as we all know, illegal. But VC prices being what they are, Nintendo sure doesn't make it easy to be good.

not quite... the FC and NEX are just 3rd party versions of the NES console, with the NES-board-on-a-chip design. sort of like how the new 80gig ps3 has software emulation of the ps2/ps1, rather than having the actual chips in there.

you still play real carts in these systems. nintendo let the patents expire on the NES and SNES, so they have 3rd party versions out.

not quite... the FC and NEX are just 3rd party versions of the NES console, with the NES-board-on-a-chip design.

^^^^^^^^^^^
thank you! :) Hate to nit-pick, but that's who I am!

I own several nintendo games 3 or 4 times over. If the Wii could output a digital signal I might consider VC, but until then I'll use superior (IMHO) PC emulation. Crystal clear, and in the case of N64 games you can swap textures with higher res ones. You can use filtering if you want, but most times I think it detracts from the experience.

And seeing as how many TVs short out seeing the Wii output 240p, the PC is the more elegant solution ATM. I play with a wireless 360 controller. Pretty cool.

Until you've played Mike Tyson's Punch Out on a 106 inch HD screen, you haven't lived! :)

I have a S-video cable for my SNES/N64. I haven't tried the N64 yet, but the SNES looks pretty good on my 42" plasma. There is some obvious pixelation but thats to be expected.

I wanna pick up a Wii soon though. Im curious to see how the same titles on the VC compare to the originals.

I also have an HDTV and I'm wondering if there are any pics (screenshots) on this forum or anywhere else on the internet. I haven't been able to find any. I'm interested in playing SNES, PS2, GC, and WII virtual console games. It would be nice to see examples of the quality before buying something so expensive.

My PS2 looks like absolute crap on my HDTV. Very VERY blocky.

VC games look fine albiet a bit stretched.

SNES looks VERY sharp (tested with StarFox and Mario RPG) with a simple composite hookup. May try S-Video later.

I don't have the GC hooked up anymore since I got a Wii.