So far, so good. I'm going to put up a detailed analysis and side-by-side pictures in the TWC NYC thread.

For those that lived through the early days of Nav, could you ever have imagined that someone would be as happy as G1 to get gatored?

G1, now join the group, find something you don't like, and start bitchin!

For those that lived through the early days of Nav, could you ever have imagined that someone would be as happy as G1 to get gatored?

G1, now join the group, find something you don't like, and start bitchin!

Yea,

Talk about a roller coaster ride of emotions for G1 during these last 16 hours or so! This is really a rare story of problem with cable for over a day and than everything works out great at the end!

Damn! G1 went from like the feelings that Nick has about Navigator to the feelings that Nextoo had about Navigator in less than 24 hours! LOL! (If you don't remember Nextoo, he was the guy that was always defending Navigator on the forum about 2 years ago, even in those early releases!) LOL!

Hey!!! Direct TV could use G1's first 8 hours or so for a promotional ad against cable using what G1 went through with Navigator! ("WTF is wrong with this POS box?") And TWC could use these last 8 hours that G1 had when he got Navigator and was so happy!!! ("It's here!!!!! It's here!!!! I've got Navigator!!!!!")

G1, You've just became a spokesperson for BOTH companies!!!

Jack

Hey,

I want to correct my software diagnostics version: It is

SA-8300 HD (MDN) running 2.4.4-15 (not-16) as previously reported. I checked my diagnostics channel in Milwaukee. The build is from November 2008.

I don't know if we will be getting-16 next or-19. My guess is -19.

Jack

I never touched the splitter.

I just left my box unplugged for like 16 hours, and before plugging it back in, I removed the HDMI cable.

It took an hour exactly, but it booted up.

From what you've said, isn't it the removal of the HDMI cable that finally did the trick?

From what you've said, isn't it the removal of the HDMI cable that finally did the trick?

It's possible. I'll never know for sure.

G1 is your version of navigator very common ? don't believe i have ever heard of that version or is it a new version ? I mean the atlas and the pyramid thing or is that what new yorkers get during an final upgrade.I'm oblivious to the many versions out there.

G1 is your version of navigator very common ? don't believe i have ever heard of that version or is it a new version ? I mean the atlas and the pyramid thing or is that what new yorkers get during an final upgrade.I'm oblivious to the many versions out there.

Abyss,

This is what I know and have read about the MDN Navigator versions.

I am from Wisconsin, and I get the Atlas-Pyramid thing when it gives the software version as well. (On the diagnostics channel, which varies by division.) For me it is 2.4.4-15. Several divisions now have 2.4.4-16. Many divisions of California run 2.4.4-14.

The Carolina's got a new 2.4.4-19. Whatever our next version is, I want it to fix that little annoying bug that I have sometimes with CC that I talked about above.

Some divisions used to have a Navigator feedback form when it first came out. (Can you imagine all the complaints back than? Holy crap!) But now, most sites don't have the feedback form anymore. I wish their was a way to contact Navigator's engineering department to submit new feature requests and report bugs.

Jack

So did g1 get keyword search like you were refering to satch ? I noticed there was A keyboard search is that what you wanted or is that again something else ? I'll relocate to Carolina for the latest version !!!! Was stationed in fort Jackson South Carolina besides it's beauty i knew there was something also i liked about the Carolina's.

So did g1 get keyword search like you were referring to satch ? I noticed there was A keyboard search is that what you wanted or is that again something else ?

Not yet,

The latest version for MDN is 2.4.4-19, which has bug fixes. NYC is getting the most used stable build of 2.4.4-16. I have 2.4.4-15 On version 2.4.4-19 (just released in the Carolinas) there is no keyword search. However, I read this is a top priority for Navigator for both MDN and ODN.

Jack

So did g1 get keyword search like you were refering to satch ? I noticed there was A keyboard search is that what you wanted or is that again something else ? I'll relocate to Carolina for the latest version !!!! Was stationed in fort Jackson South Carolina besides it's beauty i knew there was something also i liked about the Carolina's.

I've never heard "Fort Jackson" and "beauty" mentioned in the same sentence before, lol.

I have no info on the MDN updates here as I have ODN only and my friend with MDN is out of town this week.

Does anyone have an idea what the roll-out schedule is in South Carolina? I still have SARA on my 8300. Thanks!:)

Not yet,

The latest version for MDN is 2.4.4-19, which has bug fixes. NYC is getting the most used stable build of 2.4.4-16. I have 2.4.4-15 On version 2.4.4-19 (just released in the Carolinas) there is no keyword search. However, I read this is a top priority for Navigator for both MDN and ODN.

Jack


i'm in the charlotte area
it's 2.4.6-19
i just checked it again
no keyword search

I'm also in Charlotte, but my 8300HD is still version 2.4.4-14.

Does anyone have an idea what the roll-out schedule is in South Carolina? I still have SARA on my 8300. Thanks!:)

In Greensboro NC here and Navigator is suspose to launch either this weekend or early next week according to my Time Warner office here. ( For whatever thats worth) They have announced launch dates twice before and we have yet to see Navigator.

In Greensboro NC here and Navigator is suspose to launch either this weekend or early next week according to my Time Warner office here. ( For whatever thats worth) They have announced launch dates twice before and we have yet to see Navigator.

I hope you get it soon CW,

Isn't this like the 5th time your division has "Cried Wolf" about Navigator? Hopefully the 6th time will be the charm!

Jack

Does anyone still use Navigator's PIP feature? The very early editions of Navigator would freeze the picture when PIP was activated with HDMI cable. One downside is that there is only one size for PIP with Navigator AFAIK. There were two sizes with Passport.

Speaking of HDMI cable, are the techs FINALLY doing new HD TV Navigator installs with HDMI cable instead of component to insure best PQ?

Jack

In Greensboro NC here and Navigator is suspose to launch either this weekend or early next week according to my Time Warner office here. ( For whatever thats worth) They have announced launch dates twice before and we have yet to see Navigator.

Thanks Crazywoody. The wait continues..

I hope you get it soon CW,

Isn't this like the 5th time your division has "Cried Wolf" about Navigator? Hopefully the 6th time will be the charm!

Jack

The nice thing is the wife and I are heading to our beach cabin this evening. I will get to play with Navigator there all weekend. Maybe it will be here when we return. Who knows? WOODY

Does anyone still use Navigator's PIP feature? The very early editions of Navigator would freeze the picture when PIP was activated with HDMI cable. One downside is that there is only one size for PIP with Navigator AFAIK. There were two sizes with Passport.

Speaking of HDMI cable, are the techs FINALLY doing new HD TV Navigator installs with HDMI cable instead of component to insure best PQ?

Jack

PiP works great on the 3090 w/ ODN... widescreen PiP windows that are out at the corners, not pushed into the 4:3 box. Only one window size, though. Never had any PiP issues (freezing, etc) with the 8300HDC/ODN, either.

I picked up all the boxes I've had - Pio Voyager HD, SA8300HDC & Sammie 3090(x2) - at the TW office and didn't get ANY cables, but when my daughter's 8300HDC was installed in Greensboro they only came with a composite cable... which was no big deal since she only has a hand-me-down 27" Sony CRT anyway.

I just hope your time warner carolina division doesn't blow up your hopes and then continue to dash them all summer long like the cny division does woody !!!!

Holy Crap ... I just checked out G1's comparison photos and initial review of Navigator. It looks great and with any luck we will see it here in CNY sooner than later. My only question is will it support eSATA? If we get a good stable version of Navigator it will keep me from going with Tivo. I'm currently waiting on Tivo to produce a two way capable box that will do PPV and VOD. If they release that before Nav, then I might just take that route. However, I like having a TWC box in the event of failure. I can simply swap it out at the local office at no cost! The other variable is that out local town is in talks with Verizon for FiOS service, but my guess is that would be years away from fruition. G1, please keep us up to date on your Navigator experience.

Ben have you had any recent correspondence with Time Warner Cable regional spokesperson Jeff Unaitis. I know you stay in contact with him from time to time . I read some of your past emails to him you seem to get answers out of him ...lol ! :cool:

Not recently - I've been busy with so many projects lately and haven't really had a reason to contact him. They delivered BIG TIME with our HD line up here and have done a good job overall with the product. A good, stable working version of Navigator would be the icing on the cake. I'm actually quite happy that I didn't jump ship and go with DirecTV now. As I stated, I only hope that TWC deploys a Navigator version with eSATA support. They 160GB internal drive is worthless now that we have 100+ actual HD channels. Even TWC must understand that when they offer just about every channel as an HD alternate that 20 hours isn't nearly enough recording space.

I firmly believe that TWC will rollout Navigator with little or no fanfare here as they do with HD content. I'm certain they will put something in your bill or send an email alert about it, but that's it. I'm also hoping that once they switch over, they do a complete channel re-alignment. Right now, the channels are all over the place and I'd like to see some consistency between analog, HD and VOD versions of the same channels.

Your right about all the channels being all over the dartboard . I called jeff once and left a brief message... but he is to busy for the likes of me.... i figured not to rub him the wrong way ....at least he knows i am one for the navigator deployment. It only takes one person to make a bump in the road you know!;)

I just hope your time warner carolina division doesn't blow up your hopes and then continue to dash them all summer long like the cny division does woody !!!!

Your right about that. They said a flyer about Navigator would be in ths months bill. Heck I have not even gotton this months bill yet. Woody

Your right about that. They said a flyer about Navigator would be in ths months bill. Heck I have not even gotton this months bill yet. Woody

Havent seen my bill yet for this month either....strange indeed

Maybe that's a good sign about your bill being late kind of a last minute prep stating you will be getting navigator in the highly anticipated weeks....LET'S HOPE IN YOUR CASE !

Not recently - I've been busy with so many projects lately and haven't really had a reason to contact him. They delivered BIG TIME with our HD line up here and have done a good job overall with the product. A good, stable working version of Navigator would be the icing on the cake. I'm actually quite happy that I didn't jump ship and go with DirecTV now. As I stated, I only hope that TWC deploys a Navigator version with eSATA support. They 160GB internal drive is worthless now that we have 100+ actual HD channels. Even TWC must understand that when they offer just about every channel as an HD alternate that 20 hours isn't nearly enough recording space.

I firmly believe that TWC will rollout Navigator with little or no fanfare here as they do with HD content. I'm certain they will put something in your bill or send an email alert about it, but that's it. I'm also hoping that once they switch over, they do a complete channel re-alignment. Right now, the channels are all over the place and I'd like to see some consistency between analog, HD and VOD versions of the same channels.

The good thing is that CNY is going to deploy 320 GB DVR boxes. TWC San Diego/Desert Cities is still beta testing the Samsung SMT-H3270 HD-DVR with a 320 GB HDD.

320GB is a step in the right direction, but still way too small when you take into account that we have over 100 HD channels. 500GB should be the minimum. Now, I don't care if the put 20GB drives in them so long as they have eSATA support. I added a 1TB drive and make good use of it. I have at least 100 archived recordings.

Except they'll probably deploy a version of Navigator with broken eSATA support.

Except they'll probably deploy a version of Navigator with broken eSATA support.

I fully expect it! I'll get my SA8300 updated to Nav and lose everything. I really want to give Nav a solid run. I'm even up to swapping the internal drive out with a 1TB if Nav proves to be worthy. Other option is do what I'm currently doing - waiting out Tivo on the release of a box with two way support for VOD and PPV.

I'm also in Charlotte, but my 8300HD is still version 2.4.4-14.

actually I'm in Salisbury,.which has a slightly different channel lineup. also whenever someone from charlotte proper reports a new test channel, I never have it

MDN 2.4.6-19

Maybe I missed it in previous versions but:

single frame foward & back if now available: pause, then ->> or -<<

MDN 2.4.6-19

Maybe a missed it in previous versions but:

single frame foward & back if now available: pause, then ->> or -<<

FF and RVRSE? Have they removed that function during pause in favor of frame control?

For those in CNY who are interested:

From Jeff Unaitis:

Hi Ben:

As you note, we're currently testing the MDN guide on new trial Samsung boxes, but in employees' homes only. (I'm fortunate to be one of those testers.). Based on the successful results of this test and resolution of identified issues, we'll launch this for all capable customer boxes as soon as possible with the goal of later this year.

As for the lineup, I appreciate your suggestion. However, our Digital headend in East Syracuse serves more than 30 cable systems in Central and Northern NY -- all with different analog Standard lineups. However, our Digital and HD lineup is purposefully consistent across all of those locations. We can't change the digital channel locations, system by system, to align as you suggest without creating an additional 30 new lineups. For technical, marketing and Customer Care reasons (and since the new guide offers many new cool search features), we will continue to offer just the one dig/HD lineup. We can't change the analog lineups due to broadcaster-requested positions as well as current and enforceable agreements with our cable network partners...not to mention that for most customers who have had our service for years, any change to that existing Standard lineup is just as likely to create confusion and unhappiness.

I'm pleased you're satisfied with our 100+ HD choices.

-- Jeff Unaitis

I contacted him earlier today and received this reply within a few hours. I get his point about channel alignment and hopefully TWC can add a feature to the software to allow for guide customization to account for this. Good news is that it is being tested and with new hardware. I asked if I could get my hands on one and that's why he specified employees only.

I fully expect it! I'll get my SA8300 updated to Nav and lose everything. I really want to give Nav a solid run. I'm even up to swapping the internal drive out with a 1TB if Nav proves to be worthy. Other option is do what I'm currently doing - waiting out Tivo on the release of a box with two way support for VOD and PPV.

Tivo might eventually work out a deal with TWC to provide a Tivo guide for existing boxes. Probably not compatible with the 8300 boxes. Just the Samsungs and the like. It might work on the 8300HDC but it would be slow and horrible.

For technical, marketing and Customer Care reasons (and since the new guide offers many new cool search features)

you should have asked him what those many "new" features were. I still haven't found any "new" search features since they started advertising Nav.

Just big holes where Passport search features used to be.

you should have asked him what those many "new" features were. I still haven't found any "new" search features since they started advertising Nav.

Just big holes where Passport search features used to be.

I currently have an ongoing dialog with him. Keep in mind he is VP of Public Relations and is coming from SARA to whatever revision of Navigator he is "testing". So, to him Navigator is probably a big step up from SARA. Mr. Unaitis has always been a straight shooter with me and I respect the fact that he takes the time to answer or check into rather technical issues when I contact him. I'm not going to pester him about features, but I did specifically mention eSATA support being my primary reason for wanting to get in on testing a box for them.

The big thing here is that our headend can obviously support both SARA and Navigator at this point seeing as how boxes running Nav are in use as I type. I'm betting the main concern is to get a stable version of Navigator deployed that handles SDV and work out the kinks as they go. Time will tell and I'm just glad it's at least being used within the division. That's a big step in the right direction. Historically, our division has been good about testing before launching a new product. It's the reason Multi Room DVR was scrubbed. I'm thinking they won't dump a total flop version of Nav upon us.

TWC San Diego is taking it's time testing the new Samsung boxes. We have SDV on both SD and HD channels. TWC San Diego is migrating the digital channels to SDV to free up bandwidth for more HD channels.

Well, we have a pretty substantial line up due mainly to SDV so I'm certain they need to know that it's going to work. We have an analog line up 70+ channels deep with 100+ HD channels on the the network now coupled with others in the digital tier. This is being done and the HD resolution is holding soling. I've yet to notice any significant compression artifacts or pixelation and they have to be cramming the bandwidth right now.

Our division is adding more Asian SD channels since there are a lot of Asian people here in San Diego. Of course we'll get more HD channels via SDV. There are about 10 new channels that will be added and they'll probably add some more later in the year.

I think with jeff saying testing has been succesful .I do believe it will be that much quicker for a deploy....i know all the csr's i have talked to from what they had stated ....thought it was going rather well. It might be some certain feature(s) that has sent testing the software into a longer stage . Maybe Time Warner central ny will have a nice little surprise in store for us ben after there many months of research ! To be continued........

Hey GI,

Sorry about your box! That sucks!

GI one last thing you could do to save your box, (or at least try to save your box.) When you go to bed tonight, turn off the TV and unplug the box leaving it unplugged overnight. (In an effort to save this, unplug any ESATA drives that you have connected.) Leave the box unplugged for all night.

In the morning, turn your TV back on and your box, leaving the ESATA unplugged if you have one. Wait one final 30 minutes for the box to boot and Navigator to appear. This happened to a few people that I know who got their box stuck in a "boot up loop" and it fixed it. There could be some strange issue where:

1.) Because of the ESATA drive models being different for different people, some may be having problems with the conversion with ESATA drives connected while others may not. The first task is to try to get Navigator to boot up without an ESATA connection to see if that works. Sucks, I know, but if you get a new ODN (C-box) it's likely that ESATA may not work anyway. The new boxes are ODN. The Navigator downloads are the MDN versions.

2.) Tomorrow if you have plugged the box back in with any optional external drive disconnected and Navigator comes on within 30 minutes and works good, you can cancel that appointment. You'll have to than decide whether or not you want to reconnect the ESATA drive. I'd lean towards not doing it because if the box booted without it, maybe the ESATA drive was the problem.

3.) Tomorrow if you plug the box back in and after turning on your TV, it is still stuck in the loop, you can either keep your service appointment or go to a service center and trade in your box for a new one. This will be an ODN model with Navigator already on it so the MDN download will not apply to you.

4.) At the service center, ask for a new Samsung box I would say. They will either give you that or a new SA-HDC model.

Let us know what happens.

Jack

in los angeles the same sort of thing happened to me with a software update. the firmware crashed my 8300-hd, and an external that had 750gb recordings from the last 8 months. because the recordings are encrypted once you get a new box u have to reformat your external. sorry to hear about your problems. i have found that the only box that works perfect with an external hd is the 8300-hd. i had a few 8300-hdc and nothing but problems wit them and an external hd.

San Diego seems to be having SDV problems today. Mostly on the SD channels.

A place where it's hot, dry, and where SDV doesn't work.

I've seen something like that somewhere before? Did I inspire that? ;):D:D

I've seen something like that somewhere before? Did I inspire that? ;):D:D

Yep you did inspire me to do that. TWC San Diego is moving a good percentage of digital channels to SDV. Even SD channels are being moved to SDV. Then again they're also using it for new Ethnic channels which don't have very high subscriber rates.

I've seen something like that somewhere before? Did I inspire that? ;):D:D

Even a few ADS channels are SDV. Not all of them are but some of the most popular analog channels are SDV on digital boxes. TWC San Diego has deployed all digital boxes. I have no idea if my 3260 has an analog tuner in it. I don't think it has one.

Yep you did inspire me to do that. TWC San Diego is moving a good percentage of digital channels to SDV. Even SD channels are being moved to SDV. Then again they're also using it for new Ethnic channels which don't have very high subscriber rates.

So is that what I can look forward to? The same great SDV quality on my SD channels too? Great! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

So is that what I can look forward to? The same great SDV quality on my SD channels too? Great! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

A couple of Digital packs are SDV. The East coast premiums are SDV. All new channels on TWC San Diego are all SDV. A few Digital simulcast channels are now SDV. I think the most of the Variety and choice channels are now SDV. The first SD SDV channels were the Sports and Spanish packs. Then came the HD channels. I don't think all of them are SDV but a good majority of them are.

So is that what I can look forward to? The same great SDV quality on my SD channels too? Great! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yep. If they start doing that then they're desperate. SDV has been good to us :rolleyes: but it can have problems :(. We've had a few SDV outages but they seem to fix them asap. We have a good management team and we're getting WGN America HD which is great people like you. Start Over was implemented this year and it seems to work ok. I think it'll happen to you this year or maybe next year. Then again TWC Ohio wants to have 100 HD channels by the end of this year. Maybe it will happen in San Diego but I dont see that likely. Having 100 HD channels would make TWC more competitive to U-verse and DBS.

UDCP TV owners get an antiquated SA 3100HD thats been defeatured. It does HD and SDV of course. It doesn't support VOD and a IPG.

I just wish i knew if time warner central ny will make us wait for navigator when they deploy the samsung's ? Or will they grant us an update to tide us over until there done with the sammie's ? I believe the sammie's could take a great deal longer i could be wrong.:o

nick: Our area already has a small handful of SD channels on SDV. I believe Chiller MAY be as it came in to our lineup around that timeframe. But I do know there are SD channels in the lineup. Just don't know what exactly.

That brings up a good point vchat... i wonder why chiller never decided finalize there move to the hd format ?They use to sprout the hd logo for awhile then bammm!!! it was gone. Sorry to get off topic but that has always bothered me about that channel !!!!

That brings up a good point vchat... i wonder why chiller never decided finalize there move to the hd format ?They use to sprout the hd logo for awhile then bammm!!! it was gone. Sorry to get off topic but that has always bothered me about that channel !!!!

Damn!

So Chiller is not comming to TWC in HD, or is just delayed for TWC in HD, or other systems as well aren't getting Chiller in HD?

Jack

All right, one more nitpick about Navigator...the software can't accurately rewind. On Passport, I could easily rewind and then press play and I would be where I want to be.

On MDN, however, I press rewind, let it rewind past where I want to be, press play, and...I'm where I was BEFORE I pressed rewind! WHAT? Try again, press rewind, this time go even further past where I want to be, press play...I'm still where I was before I pressed rewind! I have to rewind REEEEAAAALLLLY far to see stuff in the past!

TWC San Diego is getting Weather Channel HD. I wonder if they'll get the new HD star equipment so they can do LOT8's in HD.

There are no HD stars currently. It's still in development. The only remote similarity is some major metro areas like NYC (which may be the only place right now, dunno) which get specialized feeds from the weather channel with a different variation of the satellite locals localized down to the NYC region.

All right, one more nitpick about Navigator...the software can't accurately rewind. On Passport, I could easily rewind and then press play and I would be where I want to be.

On MDN, however, I press rewind, let it rewind past where I want to be, press play, and...I'm where I was BEFORE I pressed rewind! WHAT? Try again, press rewind, this time go even further past where I want to be, press play...I'm still where I was before I pressed rewind! I have to rewind REEEEAAAALLLLY far to see stuff in the past!

Oh yea G1!

They need a software update to improve the accuracy of RR and FF BIG TIME! If you think just regular FF and RR is inaccurate, try it on VOD! It is aweful!!!

Are the ODN or Samsung boxes any more accurate on DVR RR and FF?

A slight workaround, and this is gonna sound stupid because this is an area where Navigator IS stupid. When you are FF'ing go like about 4-5 seconds ahead of where you would normally stop on Passport. When you hit Play, you'll be a little closer to where you wanted to be. Does this sound right? I call this "Trying to stop on a dot that keeps moving." It sucks! All you can do is practice on a channel or Free VOD that isn't a big deal and get the hang of the FF-Play-and-RR sequences. Regular channels are more accurate than VOD by a long shot!

A big plus is that the Navigator VOD menus look better than Passport and load faster.

Jack

Satch: There's a couple misconceptions here. #1: The VOD issue is gonna be the same on any system. Navigator, Passport, SARA, etc.. Reason being is the box is not actually doing the playback functions but rather the VOD headend. It's as if they had a VCR or DVD player for each customer set up at their headend and the STB acted as a tunnel for the remote control commands to go back over the cable line to that device. In all essence that is exactly what is going on really. Just slightly more complex. (This is why those who are able to view other people's VOD programs through ClearQAM will also be seeing fast forwards, rewinds, and pauses. It all happens remotely and the VOD server is just sending the final output to you) So there is an expected delay. Again, this happens on every system and not just Navigator.

As far as the recorded show playback FF/RW function: I can't remember exactly how Passport's system functioned but Navigator's technique seems to be fairly intuitive once you get used to it. Especially if you are going 3x FF through commercials (FF to a little bit into the show after commercials and hit play and it'll pop back just a hair before the show comes back).

I should also add that those areas with TWC-HD are going to get the nationwide 'satellite locals' (which customers of DirecTV and Dish get in place of the *Star localized local on the 8's) and no bottom-of-the-screen local conditions bar. At least not until the HD *Star's are finished and distributed. This one is an unknown. I haven't even seen any recent news on this in the usual circles.

There are no HD stars currently. It's still in development. The only remote similarity is some major metro areas like NYC (which may be the only place right now, dunno) which get specialized feeds from the weather channel with a different variation of the satellite locals localized down to the NYC region.

There is an HD Star that was beta tested in NYC. Weather Channel wants to deploy it later this year to early next year. It will co exist with the Intellistar on the SD Feed.

Oh yea G1!

They need a software update to improve the accuracy of RR and FF BIG TIME! If you think just regular FF and RR is inaccurate, try it on VOD! It is aweful!!!

Are the ODN or Samsung boxes any more accurate on DVR RR and FF?

A slight workaround, and this is gonna sound stupid because this is an area where Navigator IS stupid. When you are FF'ing go like about 4-5 seconds ahead of where you would normally stop on Passport. When you hit Play, you'll be a little closer to where you wanted to be. Does this sound right? I call this "Trying to stop on a dot that keeps moving." It sucks! All you can do is practice on a channel or Free VOD that isn't a big deal and get the hang of the FF-Play-and-RR sequences. Regular channels are more accurate than VOD by a long shot!

A big plus is that the Navigator VOD menus look better than Passport and load faster.

Jack

Sammy is MUCH worse.

Damn!

So Chiller is not comming to TWC in HD, or is just delayed for TWC in HD, or other systems as well aren't getting Chiller in HD?

Jack

This represents another reason why I so hate Crime Warner. We were supposed to get this channel last December. Then "postponed indefinitely." Why couldn't they have simply told us the channel hasn't even launched?

TWC San Diego is getting Weather Channel HD. I wonder if they'll get the new HD star equipment so they can do LOT8's in HD.

That reminds me of a funny... in NYC, we do have Weather Channel HD... but in the listings, it's called "TWC HD."

....As far as the recorded show playback FF/RW function: I can't remember exactly how Passport's system functioned but Navigator's technique seems to be fairly intuitive once you get used to it. Especially if you are going 3x FF through commercials (FF to a little bit into the show after commercials and hit play and it'll pop back just a hair before the show comes back).

C'mon guys. All you have to do is hit PAUSE instead of PLAY where you want to stop. Then hit PLAY. It works even better if you wait 1 or 2 seconds before hitting PLAY.

Yes, it should work with one-click, but IMO this is no biggie.

All right, one more nitpick about Navigator...the software can't accurately rewind. On Passport, I could easily rewind and then press play and I would be where I want to be.

On MDN, however, I press rewind, let it rewind past where I want to be, press play, and...I'm where I was BEFORE I pressed rewind! WHAT? Try again, press rewind, this time go even further past where I want to be, press play...I'm still where I was before I pressed rewind! I have to rewind REEEEAAAALLLLY far to see stuff in the past!

Oh boy, that really sucks.

Did you try any of the usual voodoo, like a cold boot?

What about FF? What I'm used to is doing FF for the commercials... by the time I hit PLAY, it's well into the actual program, BUT it tends to start REALLY close to the real start by actually playing frrom about 15-20 seconds or so before the time I hit play.

When you are FF'ing go like about 4-5 seconds ahead of where you would normally stop on Passport. When you hit Play, you'll be a little closer to where you wanted to be. Does this sound right? I call this "Trying to stop on a dot that keeps moving." It sucks! All you can do is practice on a channel or Free VOD that isn't a big deal and get the hang of the FF-Play-and-RR sequences. Regular channels are more accurate than VOD by a long shot!

A big plus is that the Navigator VOD menus look better than Passport and load faster.

Jack

Sounds like what I just posted about... I think it's a lot more than 4-5 seconds, though. Actually, I always found that "feature" to be fabulous... when you're FFing at 3X, it's mighty hard to stop on a dime, not surprising you hit play almost 15-20 seconds into the real part of the program. I kinda always thought of it as a hysteresis effect.

a 20-30 sec. skip back is is almost a nessesity for 2 or 3x FF. but totally unnessasary for a Rew. function. its one of my anoyances with navigator when i first got it, but you will get used to it. the pause then play trick works for Rew. on MDN boxes (at least for the version i have.)
the pause then play trick doesnt work on ODN samsung boxes. it still jumps back, or forward on my version. Jcalabra and i had some discussion concernng FF/Rew back when we first got our sammys. seems ODN works off the release of the button while MDN works off the push of the button. this combined with the sammys sporatic frame rate was really iritating me. it still sucks but over time i have gotten sorta used to it sucking.

So is that what I can look forward to? The same great SDV quality on my SD channels too? Great! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Our division seems to take SDV seriously since the SDV channels aren't broken all the time. There are however random SDV problems but those are usually fixed asap.

Yet another SDV outage again. I like SDV only when it works. When it doesn't it drives me crazy.

CH. 55 (TLC) is broken. This is the ADS feed.

Yet another SDV outage again. I like SDV only when it works. When it doesn't it drives me crazy.

CH. 55 (TLC) is broken. This is the ADS feed.

Is that TLC HD or SD? I cringe at the thought of the analog versions of the HD SDV channels going SDV as well. At least when the HD channels don't work I can watch analog.

C'mon guys. All you have to do is hit PAUSE instead of PLAY where you want to stop. Then hit PLAY. It works even better if you wait 1 or 2 seconds before hitting PLAY.

Yes, it should work with one-click, but IMO this is no biggie.

Breaking familiar transport control found across almost every device? Yeah that's a biggie.

When you add steps to any function that previously worked without issue it's a step back, but when you force users to change from behaviour that everyone has grown familiar with since the VCR appeared ... well that's indicative of the idiocy involved in Navigator development.

Is that TLC HD or SD? I cringe at the thought of the analog versions of the HD SDV channels going SDV as well. At least when the HD channels don't work I can watch analog.

The ADS feed of TLC is having issues while the analog feed is ok. There might be sdv issues here. Nearly every premium movie channel is SDV. Even the ADS feeds are now going SDV. Travel Channel here is definitely SDV. This is the ADS feed which can only be accessed by a cable box. CableCards and SDTV's without a box get the analog feeds. Then again a ton of Digital SD channels went SDV in our division. They too can have issues.

Is that TLC HD or SD? I cringe at the thought of the analog versions of the HD SDV channels going SDV as well. At least when the HD channels don't work I can watch analog.Most cable systems have what is called a "digital simulcast" of the analog basic and extended basic channels; digital encodings of all of those channels at about 3 Mbps, packed 10 to a QAM carrier (10 channels in the bandwidth required for one analog one). When you tune the channel with a leased cable box, that's what you're getting. The true analog channels are for people with legacy equipment lacking a digital tuner; more and more cable systems are chucking the analog versions to go all digital.

That would be the case normally mike. But we have some crazy people running the joint here in NEO. In my area of the state in legacy territory we have digital simulcasts of all 2-99 channels even the public access channels. But in areas like Cleveland and even where nick lives, they are left with the analog channels on their boxes. But we're all in the same TWC footprint though.

Well, if you don't have a digital simulcast, you're not going to get analog channels presented as Switched Digital Video :).

One reason why the cable providers create the simulcast is so that they can use cheaper digital-only devices like the Explorer 8240HD(C).

TWC Cleveland is using digital only STB's so they would have to be using ADS.

Another plus on MDN: On the program guide, if a program that has ended is displayed on the screen with the other programs, the ended program is displayed in italics. On Passport, these was no such differential, and I would often select a show that had already ended at an unusual time.

Also, for the first time in a long time, I had a chance to play around with some Cablevision SARA equipment in upstate New York.

Dear god that crap is slow. Even on an 8300HD!

Another minus of MDN: when it is :25 or :55 and you are in the IPG, the default grid is still for the show that is almost over. Also, selecting the "next" show(starting in 5 minutes or less) still brings up the "Record options list". Passport didn't do this, and ODN behaves like Passport with these issues.

Bright House Networks in Tampa is now deploying the Samsung SMT-H3090 with the 320 GB HDD.

Nope... there is a menu selection in the password protected diagnostics page (same place you need to access to activate AC3 over HDMI):

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d142/jcalabria/SMT-H3090/SMT-H3090_Diags17.jpg

Option 08 restores factory settings and wipes out the currently loaded copy of ODN, forcing a download from headend on reboot.

One thing I noticed last night that I would like to caution everyone about... Option 09 activates a Factory Test mode, which doesn't seem to do much (it looks like it is trying to communicate with a specific IP address that is not there). However, when Factory Test mode is enabled, Option 08 changes to "Factory Defaults Reset w/ HDD Erase"... so be careful to read the entry for Option 08 before using it!
Do you know how to enable AC3 over HDMI, I have had to revert to component because it apparently is disabled on my H3090?

Do you know how to enable AC3 over HDMI, I have had to revert to component because it apparently is disabled on my H3090?

Here you go:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16580518#post16580518
Its on the same diag screen you posted... option 14.

You could also take the video over HDMI and the AC3 audio over optical or coax. That will work with the AC3 option set either way.

Yet another SDV outage again. I like SDV only when it works. When it doesn't it drives me crazy.

FINALLY some real benefit from living in a BIG market. We probably have little to no need for SDV! We have the proverbial 100+ HD channels and probably some bandwidth left for another half dozen channels. AND we still have something like 30 analog channels that could become another close to 100 HD channels.

Wonder if woody has been gator-aded yet ? If he has it at his cabin he might not be going home ....ever !!!! lol!!!

Hey All,
Looking for help. I just got the new Navigator software pushed to my 8300HD. I'm able to record series for some shows but not all of shows. For instance, there is no option for recording all the Yankee games on YESHD. Am I missing something? Is there a workaround?

Hey All,
Looking for help. I just got the new Navigator software pushed to my 8300HD. I'm able to record series for some shows but not all of shows. For instance, there is no option for recording all the Yankee games on YESHD. Am I missing something? Is there a workaround?

Does Time Warner still show it in the guide as MLB Baseball? That is a major complaint from many people. They have no way to specify what games (by team) they want to record. It's the same for NFL football and NHL Hockey.

Wonder if woody has been gator-aded yet ? If he has it at his cabin he might not be going home ....ever !!!! lol!!!

LOL@Abyss!!!

Yea!!! CW will be there not only all summer but for the winter as well. (He'll get blankets and a heater) and friends will be like, 'Woody, you're missed back home, are you going back anytime soon?" And Woody will be like, "WHAT!!??? and leave Navigator!!!!???"

He'll get Roadrunner up there and post to the board saying, "I've moved up here!!! Navigator inspired me to live here!!!"

Jack

BenJF3
They call it Yankees Baseball of something similar now, which is fine. In fact I was happy with the way the series recording was working under the passport operating system. I also really miss the skip 15 minute option.

BenJF3
They call it Yankees Baseball of something similar now, which is fine. In fact I was happy with the way the series recording was working under the passport operating system. I also really miss the skip 15 minute option.

Doesn't the skip advance if you hold down the FF button? It used to, but I have not used this feature for a long time.

Jack

I also really miss the skip 15 minute option.

Navigator has this.

In Cleveland, OH a bunch of SD channels are going SDV. There are some variety, sports, premium, and spanish channels going SDV. nickdawg ain't going to like this.

Yet another SDV outage again. I like SDV only when it works. When it doesn't it drives me crazy.

CH. 55 (TLC) is broken. This is the ADS feed.

What happens when you have an SDV outage and how do you tell if a channel is on SDV or not?

Roy

Newbie. Avoided Navigator as long as was possible. Anyone notice this: Search function doesn't actually work fully. I searched for a title (Doctor Who) for next week. It listed one episode on syfy on the 24th. If you scroll through the guide to the 26th on BBC America, Doctor Who is on multiple times.

So not only did they take away the search by displayed title and keyword, the search function doesnt accurate report all episodes?

Sorry to post with just a complaint but its very frustrating.

Thanks for info in advance.

What happens when you have an SDV outage and how do you tell if a channel is on SDV or not?

Roy

The channel goes down and is replaced with "This channel is currently unavailable. Please try again later."

Sometimes it happens as soon as you tune in and other times it happens while you are watching something.
:mad:

That's one way to tell if a channel is SDV, otherwise you have to go into the diagnostics and look for the "SDB" channel indicator.

Found a bug in ODN where if you rewind in the buffer it will eventually reset and you end up missing the end of the show. Does anybody get this. I'm on ODN v3.1.1_3.

Newbie. Avoided Navigator as long as was possible. Anyone notice this: Search function doesn't actually work fully. I searched for a title (Doctor Who) for next week. It listed one episode on syfy on the 24th. If you scroll through the guide to the 26th on BBC America, Doctor Who is on multiple times.

So not only did they take away the search by displayed title and keyword, the search function doesn't accurate report all episodes?

Sorry to post with just a complaint but its very frustrating.

Thanks for info in advance.

We do know that TWC is working on improving Search functionality of Navigator. Keyword Search is currently being tested and is scheduled to be a top priority release for both MDN and ODN Navigator boxes.

There may be some little bugs that may need tweaking because of the deployment being so new in some areas. (i.e Start Over.) Call your division's offices about things like Keyword Search or other improvements that you would like to see in the IPG. Ask the CSR to forward those requests to your local TWC engineering department so that your suggestions can be noted. The largest number of requested features get top priority in future software updates, so let them know what's going on with Navigator and the features YOU want to see. Let TWC know what you like about Navigator, don't like, areas that are just OK, but could be improved. Be specific.

Jack

We do know that TWC is working on improving Search functionality of Navigator. Keyword Search is currently being tested and is scheduled to be a top priority release for both MDN and ODN Navigator boxes.

There may be some little bugs that may need tweaking because of the deployment being so new in some areas. (i.e Start Over.) Call your division's offices about things like Keyword Search or other improvements that you would like to see in the IPG. Ask the CSR to forward those requests to your local TWC engineering department so that your suggestions can be noted. The largest number of requested features get top priority in future software updates, so let them know what's going on with Navigator and the features YOU want to see. Let TWC know what you like about Navigator, don't like, areas that are just OK, but could be improved. Be specific.

Jack

That all sounds really nice, but I'm not even going to try to waste my time with this. More likely than not I'd be talking WAY over the head of the CSR. They're morons. Absolute morons. They cannot even do basic math!!!

http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/50894507.html

Blueprint for losing cable customers
By Bob Dyer
Beacon Journal columnist

POSTED: 06:42 p.m. EDT, Jul 15, 2009

And the award for Worst Customer Service in the History of Capitalism goes to . . .

Time Warner Cable!

Seriously. Can this company do anything right?

Well, OK, the technicians in the field are excellent — almost universally competent and friendly, and at times quite creative. But most of the people back in the office don't have a clue.

Not only do the phone jockeys torpedo the efforts of the techs, but also some of these people couldn't figure out routine paperwork if you gave them a full-time tutor.

I base this not on a couple of bad experiences, but on years of consistently horrid service, as well as a never-ending flow of complaints from readers. I could write a column every week just from unsolicited tales of woe from TWC customers.

Heck, just last week, Beacon Journal consumer columnist Betty Lin-Fisher recounted her own horror story about her efforts to pin down Time Warner's pricing, which apparently requires customers to haggle as if they're dealing with a sidewalk vendor in Tijuana.

Cable companies have been such a popular public target for so long that complaining about them is almost a cliche. The Taliban gets better PR. But this particular company has truly distinguished itself.

That's one of the reasons I finally decided to yank out my cable and put a dish on my roof.

The same day DirecTV arrived — on time, on a rainy Saturday in May — I called TWC and talked to a nice man named Ken. I told Ken I wanted to nuke his TV service but keep his Road Runner Internet service, at least for the moment. Ken said the changes would take effect that Monday.

But Ken forgot to mention anything to the billing folks. So the TV bills kept coming.

When the first bill asked me to pay for another month of TV in advance, I deducted the TV amount and wrote a check for the Internet amount, figuring there might be some lag time with the billing department. But when I got the next bill — reiterating the previous charges and charging me for another month of TV — I picked up the phone and ventured where so many fear to tread.

The first three times I called, TWC's computer system was down. The fourth time was a charm, so I punched up the billing department and spelled out my issue to Michael.

The situation was too much for him to handle — apparently, nobody had ever canceled cable TV before — so Michael passed me along to Alicia (just guessing on the spelling) in ''customer service.''

Alicia acknowledged having a record of my cancellation call, and agreed to adjust the bill. But then the real fun began.

How long did it take Alicia to figure out how much I owed? Precisely 28 minutes and 41 seconds.

And she still didn't get it right.

We're not talking about plotting a trajectory to hook the space shuttle up with the space station. We're talking basic math.

TWC charges a month in advance. I had been erroneously billed for two months, plus a few days of the month in which I canceled.

Her first calculation: I owed $89.98.

Wrong. I owed only for a month's worth of Road Runner — about $43 if you have your own modem.

I explained why she was wrong, and urged her to try again. She did. Wrong again. And again. And again.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

After more than 20 minutes of this, she agreed to consult her boss, who was in the midst of another call but gave her the go-ahead via e-mail to make a special adjustment.

Alicia came back on the line and said I now had a negative balance of $33.02, which would show up as a credit on my next bill.

Well, that wasn't right, either. But if she was trying to force money on me, I wasn't going to spend another half-hour trying to talk her out of it.

A few days later, I wrote a check for the amount I actually owed — knowing full well I'll probably have to phone again when the next bill arrives.

Callers to TWC's toll-free number hear a message saying the upcoming conversation might be taped ''for training purposes.'' Well, I sincerely hope they taped this one.

Not that it will make any difference.

Bob Dyer can be reached at 330-996-3580 or bdyer@thebeaconjournal.com.

The channel goes down and is replaced with "This channel is currently unavailable. Please try again later."

Sometimes it happens as soon as you tune in and other times it happens while you are watching something.
:mad:

That's one way to tell if a channel is SDV, otherwise you have to go into the diagnostics and look for the "SDB" channel indicator.


What pisses me off is that I can get a channel on the STB in my main living room, but I get the
"This channel is currently unavailable. Please try again later." message for the same channel in another room when both are on at the same time.

A channel should be able to be viewed on more than one STB in the same home at the same time.

This afternoon I plan on switching the outside cable connection for the bad room with the cable connection that goes into my "office" to see if that helps.

Well guys I got back late last night. Still SARA on my tv here. Had a wonderful 3 days playing with Navigator. Love the new colors first time I had seen them. Last time I was at coast Navigator was all blue but the new colors are excellent. After playing with Navigator for 3 days I am reminded how much SARA sucks. My box at the coast is a pioneer non dvr box but it is very very fast. I do not understand why people claim Navigator is so slow.Love the on demand graphics much better than SARA or Passport. No Navigator here in Greensboro yet. Don;t know whats up with that afer what they told me. Have not received my Time Warner bill yet-strange indeed.Well guess I will suffer SARA a bit longer until I can get back to the coast. WOODY

a pioneer non dvr box but it is very very fast. I do not understand why people claim Navigator is so slow.

:eek: Never heard anybody say the Pioneers were fast running Navigator, lol.

Mine was like molasses when they first added Mystro/MDN to it. How are the guide loads? At least initially, Mystro didn't use the OOB Davic tuner to load guide info, so video was always inturrupted to load the guide info on the single tuner boxes. Maybe they have made changes to optimize the way it runs on the older single tuner boxes.

I have never felt that ODN was slow on either the 8300HDC or 3090 DVRs, though.

:eek: Never heard anybody say the Pioneers were fast running Navigator, lol.

Mine was like molasses when they first added Mystro/MDN to it. How are the guide loads? At least initially, Mystro didn't use the OOB Davic tuner to load guide info, so video was always inturrupted to load the guide info on the single tuner boxes. Maybe they have made changes to optimize the way it runs on the older single tuner boxes.

I have never felt that ODN was slow on either the 8300HDC or 3090 DVRs, though.

Ours is a newer pioneer box. We had not been down to the coast for couple of months and Navigator had been updated. It is not as fast as Sara is on our 8300 but still a lot and I mean a lot faster than it used to be. Is it perfect NO. But is now very useable. WOODY

Ours is a newer pioneer box. We had not been down to the coast for couple of months and Navigator had been updated. It is not as fast as Sara is on our 8300 but still a lot and I mean a lot faster than it used to be. Woody

Must have made some changes besides the color scheme.

Maybe good things are happening for you woody without the nagging presence of a bill. Got mine a few days ago and as usual no mention of navigator on there anywhere.:( Headend's say later this year... how much later ? the closer it gets to christmas are chances will dwindle for deployment in 2009 .... time warner don't work well around the holidays and don't like eleventh hour decision's !!!!!!!!!!!! i think now there just nitpicking with the testing.

BenJF3
They call it Yankees Baseball of something similar now, which is fine. In fact I was happy with the way the series recording was working under the passport operating system. I also really miss the skip 15 minute option.

I thought there was a 10 min skip thing in ODN/MDN???

I thought there was a 10 min skip thing in ODN/MDN???

There certainly is on ODN (15 min).

I tried searching but couldn't find anything. Did they ever fix slumpey826's problem with the box always defaulting to hdmi for audio. I know he got a different samsung box, but is there a fix for the scientific atlanta?

Checked last night - the 15 minute skip if you hold FF for 3-4 seconds does work - thanks guys. Now if I can figure out how to get the Yankees' series to record I'll be happy.

TWC San Diego has now deployed the Samsung SMT-H3260. No word if the 3270 has been deployed.

Is 3260 series better then 8300 hdc's for navigator ? I know there has been some debate as to which runs better overall. I was heavily wanting a samsung when available but now i'm thinking maybe i'll hang on to SA 8300HDC .:confused:

Maybe good things are happening for you woody without the nagging presence of a bill. Got mine a few days ago and as usual no mention of navigator on there anywhere.:( Headend's say later this year... how much later ? the closer it gets to christmas are chances will dwindle for deployment in 2009 .... time warner don't work well around the holidays and don't like eleventh hour decision's !!!!!!!!!!!! i think now there just nitpicking with the testing.

One more day has passed and no Time Warner bill today. If it does not come tomorrow I think I will call them.Also no sign of Navigator yet. WOODY

You can look at this way no bill no worries ....lol ! I have a huge feeling in the coming weeks you will wake up and you'll have it...My division i think i will contact stephen king via email .....i think he may just have his next horror novel !!!! ("Nightmares and mystro dreams " ):eek:THE PLOT : Cable subscribers in the sara areas becomes obsessed with mystro and will go to any links to get it!!!! LMFAO

Is 3260 series better then 8300 hdc's for navigator ? I know there has been some debate as to which runs better overall. I was heavily wanting a samsung when available but now i'm thinking maybe i'll hang on to SA 8300HDC .:confused:

FYI... 3260 is not a DVR. 3090 or the newer 3270 would be the equivalants to the 8300HDC DVR.

Oh so that wouldn't be any good to me then i want the dvr optioning. Okay thanks for clearing that up .So should i stick with 8300 hdc or the 3090...3270 for navigator when all the pieces fall into place ?

Oh so that wouldn't be any good to me then i want the dvr optioning. Okay thanks for clearing that up .So should i stick with 8300 hdc or the 3090...3270 for navigator when all the pieces fall into place ?

If you need the DVR... yep.

The 3260 is a fast box. One person a local hd forum here says its much better than his Pace box.

Must have made some changes besides the color scheme.


That's great if they made the Pioneer boxes faster, oh man did they need it!

Jack

hdtvfan, any news on the Torrance area and Samsungs??

hdtvfan, any news on the Torrance area and Samsungs??

I'm no longer a beta tester of the 3260. That box has now been deployed so it's final. I just happened to have it before anybody else did. As for Torrance, Navigator was supposedly deployed on non DVR boxes. I don't work for TWC but SoCal has it on non DVR boxes. DVR's will probably the last boxes to get Navigator. As for the Samsung boxes I think SoCal could very well deploy the Samsung 32xx since San Diego and LA are somewhat related. They work together on box testing and stuff like that. I do know that Dessi Ochoa is the technical support director for TWC. She works with TWC in LA. That part of TWC also works with San Diego. Hope this helps.

Can we infer that they will be doing all Passport Systems first and than SARA?

Jack

Thank you hdtvfan...still got the 8300HD with Passport here. No Navigator yet, but about half the time I turn it on in the afternoon, its on the default 0 channel, so I know they are updating out there and sending a reset, just haven't got it yet.

What pisses me off is that I can get a channel on the STB in my main living room, but I get the
"This channel is currently unavailable. Please try again later." message for the same channel in another room when both are on at the same time.


Tonight I found out what happens when the channel drops out in the middle of a recording. The box tries to resume recording but instead all you get are two entries in the program list (one marked with a constant REC icon) and the second one is blank and just brings up "This program is currently unavailable."

So even if TWC manage to make Navigator bug free and 100% reliable, it's completely useless if the channels are not there because the network infrastructure is completely unreliable.

Thank you hdtvfan...still got the 8300HD with Passport here. No Navigator yet, but about half the time I turn it on in the afternoon, its on the default 0 channel, so I know they are updating out there and sending a reset, just haven't got it yet.

You'll get it eventually. Probably by the end of this month or next month.

Tonight I found out what happens when the channel drops out in the middle of a recording. The box tries to resume recording but instead all you get are two entries in the program list (one marked with a constant REC icon) and the second one is blank and just brings up "This program is currently unavailable."

So even if TWC manage to make Navigator bug free and 100% reliable, it's completely useless if the channels are not there because the network infrastructure is completely unreliable.

The "Channel Not Available" message in the record log may not have anything to do with SDV... the same message is noted on the Sammies when they miss all the FOX and CBS recordings here in Charlotte... those are definitely not SDV.

I don't usually watch CSI or CSI:NY, but I had decided to use them as a "filler" during the summer... They have been on my DVR schedule all summer and neither has recorded even once... always with the "Channel Not Available" in the log.

On the other hand, I have never had the slightest bit of trouble getting reliable recording on SDV channels such as USA (Burn Notice, Royal Pains, In Plain Sight, House) and TLC (American Chopper).

The "Channel Not Available" message in the record log may not have anything to do with SDV... the same message is noted on the Sammies when they miss all the FOX and CBS recordings here in Charlotte... those are definitely not SDV.

It wasn't in the recording log, it came up in a dialog box when attempting to play the second part of the recording.

I was recording Syfy HD and that's an SDV channel here. It wouldn't be the first time the channel has blanked out.

It wasn't in the recording log, it came up in a dialog box when attempting to play the second part of the recording.

I was recording Syfy HD and that's an SDV channel here. It wouldn't be the first time the channel has blanked out.

Sorry... I misread it and thought both messages were in the program list.

Anyway... I wish that my non-SDV recordings were as reliable as the SDV channels, lol. I hope we get an ODN upgrade to at least 3.1.1_3 here before the fall season starts so maybe I have a chance of recording something reliably on FOX and CBS.

No longer getting the "This channel is currently unavailable. Please try again later." message.

Okay, I switched the cables outside the house and nothing changed. So I started playing with the cables inside the house. Started by replacing the TWC splitter with one I had, still no change. Ran a cable from my Maganvox 2160 DVR (boosting the signal) to the STB, still no change. Took the splitter away completely and ran the cable from the wall into only the STB. Worked, but that left my other equipment without a feed. Took a cheap little two-way splitter and connected it directly to the line coming into the house, one connection went to the cable box and the other to the TWC splitter. Everything works great now. Seems that the signal strength is wonky. It could be the heat of summer messing with it since everything had worked fine for many months.

No sooner did I ask and BAM, Navigatored last night. Dare I say, so far I'm pretty impressed with the 5 mins. I played with it before work. VERY fast on my 8300HD box, colors look great, as was already said On Demand looks great too. Version I have is 2.4.4-16. I had tons of "unknown" recordings show up in the recorded list and it said the box was 82% full, I just deleted em' and I'm all good now. I'll play with it during lunch and see what else I see...

2.4.4-16 that version seems to be the choice version for the upgrade is that a really stable release ? I see that number in my sleep.:D now slick can change his signature to " CRIME WARNER MYSTRO 2.4.4-16 "

Is 3260 series better then 8300 hdc's for navigator ? I know there has been some debate as to which runs better overall. I was heavily wanting a samsung when available but now i'm thinking maybe i'll hang on to SA 8300HDC .:confused:

Apples to oranges... the 3260 is not a DVR AFAIK.

The Sammy DVR is the 3090... there's supposed to be a later model, 3270 I believe, but that has not been deployed anywhere (we have heard some may be beta testing it in SD).

Apples to oranges... the 3260 is not a DVR AFAIK.

The Sammy DVR is the 3090... there's supposed to be a later model, 3270 I believe, but that has not been deployed anywhere (we have heard some may be beta testing it in SD).Don't be such a smartass :)--there are both Sammy 3260 and 3270 DVR models.

now slick can change his signature to " CRIME WARNER MYSTRO 2.4.4-16 "

Done... ;)

Don't be such a smartass :)--there are both Sammy 3260 and 3270 DVR models.

Huh? I never said or implied anything like that, so I did NOT deserve a snarky comment like that.

that looks pretty snappy slick!!!! i have sara so i don't bother with a signature j/k !

No sooner did I ask and BAM, Navigatored last night. Dare I say, so far I'm pretty impressed with the 5 mins. I played with it before work. VERY fast on my 8300HD box, colors look great, as was already said On Demand looks great too. Version I have is 2.4.4-16. I had tons of "unknown" recordings show up in the recorded list and it said the box was 82% full, I just deleted em' and I'm all good now. I'll play with it during lunch and see what else I see...


Any other South Bay cities get the update..

Huh? I never said or implied anything like that, so I did NOT deserve a snarky comment like that.I apologize--it appears that I'm being the smartass. You're correct; the Sammy 3260 is not a DVR.

Woke up this morning and I too am no longer Passport...RIP wonderful working system. One thing I love is I can unplug my phone so that the ringers are silent and with the new CallerID onscreen I can see who is calling without the annoying ringer. I only do this on the weekend. I do have a few questions and observations:

On Passport I could silence the harddrive at night by turning off my cable box in the bedroom now the option is no longer there so that there is a slight noise. Hopefully I can sleep through it..

I also could completely turn off the display at night ...not anymore..so I just put electrical tape over the offending display light and problem solved.

Is there some way to FF in increments. We used to be able to go 15 minutes now the FF only has the <1..<2...<3 option..so slow..

update:if you hold down the FF it does go 15 minutes...woo hoo...

Love the interface but I miss the old search...I am ok with the new search but it is slower...

Love the list of HD stations so that you can be choosy very cool

It is quicker than everyone said I have the SA8300HD...maybe the HDC is slower..

When the change over happened I retained all my recordings and settings..it was very trouble free...

Love the percentage of recording time left. That is very helpful

So far so good...this weekend I expect to watch all my stuff...phone unplugged...woo hoo....fingers crossed this will continue to work for me..

The 3260 still has the please wait screen when loading the guide data. I think thats a Navigator quirk on all non DVR boxes. It has a SATA port and possibly 2 tuners. Though the 2nd one is probably disabled. It uses the same software as the 3270. No eSATA btw.

The 3260 still has the please wait screen when loading the guide data. I think thats a Navigator quirk on all non DVR boxes. It has a SATA port and possibly 2 tuners. Though the 2nd one is probably disabled. It uses the same software as the 3270. No eSATA btw.I wonder what the SATA port is about? Perhaps it can dynamically become a DVR with the addition of an external drive; with OCAP, that's a definite design possibility. (Actually, my television can do it, but it requires an AV/HDD, an AV/C device (AV/C was a scheme for firewire control of AV devices which has been pretty much abandoned by OEMs, but Mitsubishi, maker of my panel, was a staunch proponent of it and the similar-but-more-powerful HAVi system).

The SATA port is inside the box. The Diag screen says it's authorized to do a DVR. Then again I have a 8300HDC. It was probably a cost cutting measure. There is no eSATA port AFAIK but there is a SATA port. I don't think it's a working SATA port though.

My Charlotte 8300 has a setting to group all your favorite channels together in the guide. I use favorites for the kids stations to make it easier for them to find their shows and not have to memorize channels or accidentally stumble on shows they shouldn't see. What is annoying is that the favorite button in Passport used to jump from on Fav to the next in the guide and not change the channel like Mystro.


Any update or Fix..

Cool Feature
;)

Played with it at lunch today...very nice so far. Like the transparent info box overlays, like how all the menu's fade in and out, shaking phone when CID banner pops up, pretty polished overall. Now we just need a native 16x9 guide and we all might be pretty happy, well that and keyword search, reliable recordings, etc... ;)

Also in the diag. pages, at the end of my version number I also have "(pyramid" showing and on another screen it said something about SDV with "yes" next to it, so I'm assuming we have some SDV channels which I wasn't aware of.

llabine: yeah, no option to spin down the hard drive when off, can't turn off the display either.

Played with it at lunch today...very nice so far. Like the transparent info box overlays, like how all the menu's fade in and out, shaking phone when CID banner pops up, pretty polished overall. Now we just need a native 16x9 guide and we all might be pretty happy, well that and keyword search, reliable recordings, etc... ;)

Also in the diag. pages, at the end of my version number I also have "(pyramid" showing and on another screen it said something about SDV with "yes" next to it, so I'm assuming we have some SDV channels which I wasn't aware of.

llabine: yeah, no option to spin down the hard drive when off, can't turn off the display either.

IIRC, you can "force" the hard drive to stop making noise by tuning both tuners to an On Demand channel, which can't be recorded.

Or, simply ignore the noise. I haven't noticed it for years now. It's just ambient.

Played with it at lunch today...very nice so far. Like the transparent info box overlays, like how all the menu's fade in and out, shaking phone when CID banner pops up, pretty polished overall. Now we just need a native 16x9 guide and we all might be pretty happy, well that and keyword search, reliable recordings, etc... ;)

Also in the diag. pages, at the end of my version number I also have "(pyramid" showing and on another screen it said something about SDV with "yes" next to it, so I'm assuming we have some SDV channels which I wasn't aware of.

llabine: yeah, no option to spin down the hard drive when off, can't turn off the display either.

Native 16:9 guide won't happen on the 8300 platform. The 8300 boxes can only render 4:3 graphics at 640x480. Hope this helps.

Yeah, I forgot to say that in my post...just on the new Samsungs...

Played with it at lunch today...very nice so far. Like the transparent info box overlays, like how all the menu's fade in and out

is there transparency support in ODN now or is it still just MDN?

is there transparency support in ODN now or is it still just MDN?

Nope. Only MDN has the obnoxious fading menus. ODN(3.1.1_3 and the other version) have menus that are instant appear. Comparing the two, I prefer the instant appear over the fading/transparency.

FYI, I'll bet it is that fading/transparency junk that is crippling the Pioneer boxes. Remember the graphics Passport used compared to MDN.

i have a standalone high def box that seems to have a buggy older version of navigator compared to the newest release that my dvr just got today (Torrance, CA) and it's a ton more polished than before.

IIRC, you can "force" the hard drive to stop making noise by tuning both tuners to an On Demand channel, which can't be recorded.

Or, simply ignore the noise. I haven't noticed it for years now. It's just ambient.

This is probably a dumb question but how do you tune both tuners to On demand channel? does one of them have to be recording or does going to one of the the OD channels then switching to a second OD channel and leaving it there do it?

This is probably a dumb question but how do you tune both tuners to On demand channel? does one of them have to be recording or does going to one of the the OD channels then switching to a second OD channel and leaving it there do it?I doubt that you really need to deal with the second tuner since Navigator doesn't buffer it. But to answer your question, you have control of both tuners if you turn on PIP.

I have heard the new Navigator Samsung boxes are the quietest. However, I can't even hear my SA-8300HD box as it is.

Jack

I doubt that you really need to deal with the second tuner since Navigator doesn't buffer it. But to answer your question, you have control of both tuners if you turn on PIP.

thank you

I apologize--it appears that I'm being the smartass. You're correct; the Sammy 3260 is not a DVR.

Thank you...

On Passport I could silence the harddrive at night by turning off my cable box in the bedroom now the option is no longer there so that there is a slight noise.

I seem to recall that some divisions actually had a pref in "their" Passport to turn off the drives buffering. My market, no such luck. Turning the box "off" did NOT stop both tuners from constantly buffering. We had to tune each tuner to a VOD channel that doesn't buffer to actually silence the HDD.

So, as I am about to get MDNed, is there a pref in MDN to shut down the buffering when the box is "off?"

llabine: yeah, no option to spin down the hard drive when off, can't turn off the display either.

Bummer. Perhaps try a trick... tune both "tuners" to a VOD channel that doesn't buffer.

I seem to recall that some divisions actually had a pref in "their" Passport to turn off the drives buffering. My market, no such luck. Turning the box "off" did NOT stop both tuners from constantly buffering. We had to tune each tuner to a VOD channel that doesn't buffer to actually silence the HDD.

So, as I am about to get MDNed, is there a pref in MDN to shut down the buffering when the box is "off?"

Navigator only buffers the channel you are currently watching, so by default you will have your preference. I suppose this could be set differently in a non-SDV system, but since it appears that you are using the same ODN & MDN versions as elsewhere, I doubt it.

Also... even when I know it's recording, I cannot ever hear the hard drive in the Sammie... very quiet drive in there.

Any other South Bay cities get the update..My SA8300HDs just got updated to Navigator in El Segundo a few days ago (same network as Torrance/Gardena/Hawthorne) and i immediately had a problem......

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16874265&highlight=#post16874265

I doubt that you really need to deal with the second tuner since Navigator doesn't buffer it. But to answer your question, you have control of both tuners if you turn on PIP.

With Passport you could hit the Swap button without PIP on and swap tuners. I think you can do that with Navigator (will find out soon) but I hear the second is not being buffered anyway :( /Dan

Got up Wednesday (7/22) to Navigator on my former Passport DVR. The non-DVR got done a month ago. Already started my "must have" list for TWC complaint. So far 2 things and third I will surely be adding (all well discussed on this board).

1 - Keyword search needed,

2 - Manual recording needed (going to be gone on vacation a couple weeks and need to set-up a recording beyond the guide time - I also like to pre set-up a month worth of PBS from their mailed schedule),

3 - Need to still check, but if the second tuner does not buffer I will not be happy (love to watch 2 things at once via buffers and swap button - guess would need to record one or both).

/Dan

Oh - MDN 2.4.4-16

Things are sure busy in cali !!!!! :D The swamp is definately full of gators !!

Things are sure busy in cali !!!!! :D The swamp is definately full of gators !!

LOL@Abyss,

I hope you get gaters in your part of New York Soon!!! If not, maybe Crazy Woody will invite you up to his "Gatered cabin!!!" hahahaha

It sounds like they are converting the Passport boxes first and than SARA.

Jack

lol....I'm ready to hitchhike to rte 81 get a ride with a trucker to the carolina's and look woody up and have him demonstrate what a guide supposed to look like at his cabin . Are there many passport customers out there ?

I seem to recall that some divisions actually had a pref in "their" Passport to turn off the drives buffering. My market, no such luck. Turning the box "off" did NOT stop both tuners from constantly buffering. We had to tune each tuner to a VOD channel that doesn't buffer to actually silence the HDD.

So, as I am about to get MDNed, is there a pref in MDN to shut down the buffering when the box is "off?"

Riverside Guy I figured a way to get silence from the boxes...I have 2 DVR's in my bedroom...I connected them both to a power strip...they are the only thing plugged into the strip...I turn off the power strip and silence...in the morning I turn it back on and it boots quickly and I am good to go for the day...I never record anything past 11pm ....after that if I want to watch stuff I just watch it on an input without a cable box...I usually watch the main HD channels so I have solved that problem...it also took care of the display because it is now black....black and silent...ahhhh...

Lamp timer?

I spoke to my Time Warner office today. What I was told was that Navigator was ready for launch but they were waiting to receive their supply of Samsung boxes. They have given me so many storys I do not know what to belive. However 2 months ago most of the CSR's had not even heard of Navigator. So I guess some improvement is there. I now get a different delay story every call but at least they do not seem as brain dead as they used to be. Will keep all of you posted as this thing called Navigator developes here in Greensboro. WOODY

With Passport you could hit the Swap button without PIP on and swap tuners. I think you can do that with Navigator (will find out soon) but I hear the second is not being buffered anyway :( /DanOn my newly-Navigator'd 4-year-old 8300HD, when i first turn on my TV the SWAP key initially won't swap tuners like it did on Passport, and i do have to activate PIP in order to swap tuners. But after i swap tuners and close the PIP window, from then on the SWAP key does swap tuners without activating PIP, and both tuners are buffered. I always leave the DVR turned on (with the current channel being displayed on the front panel) so i don't know if that's why i can swap tuners without PIP after the initial PIP activation. I just tried it again and both tuners are buffering, and i'm swapping between tuners without using PIP.

One thing i just discovered that i haven't seen mentioned yet (although i haven't been watching this thread that close) is the buffer resets when a new show begins so at 6:05pm the buffer only goes back to 6:00 even though i've had that channel on since say 5:30. With Passport, i had up to a one hour buffer at all times whether a new show started or not.

Edit - OK i don't know what's going on with this wacky Navigator but this morning i turned the TV on and two scheduled recordings are in progress as planned, so i hit the SWAP key and surprisingly it swapped to the other tuner despite me NOT activating PIP first. But last night while i was recording two shows at the same time when i tried to activate PIP or tried to just swap tuners i got a message that both tuners are busy and i'd have to stop recording if i wanted to swap tuners.

I spoke to my Time Warner office today. What I was told was that Navigator was ready for launch but they were waiting to receive their supply of Samsung boxes. They have given me so many storys I do not know what to belive. However 2 months ago most of the CSR's had not even heard of Navigator. So I guess some improvement is there. I now get a diffent delay story every call but at least they do not seem as brain dead as they used to be. Will keep all of you posted as this thing called Navigator developes here in Greensboro. WOODY

Keep us posted CW!!! I'll bet you're thinking! "OK, one more week and than I go back to my Gatored cabin till I get word it's installed here!"

Jack

I hope you get gaters in your part of New York Soon!!! If not, maybe Crazy Woody will invite you up to his "Gatered cabin!!!" hahahaha

Jack

woody left the beach cabin too soon. i think gator was trying to follow him home to greensboro but got side tracked:D
http://www.news14.com/content/local_news/coastal/612343/alligator-swims-up--scares-beach-goers/Default.aspx

Hey guys,
I looked but I can't seem to find anything about it in search. I used to be able to get a diagnostic page which gave me the cable signal levels, by doing the vol+, vol-, mail icon, followed by chan+ all on the STB. This does not work anymore, I can only get the 14 page diagnostics by using the remote select button followed by arrow down. So is there any other way to find signal levels the way I used to through the diagnostcs?

Navigator 3.1.1_SP1

Hey guys,
I looked but I can't seem to find anything about it in search. I used to be able to get a diagnostic page which gave me the cable signal levels, by doing the vol+, vol-, mail icon, followed by chan+ all on the STB. This does not work anymore, I can only get the 14 page diagnostics by using the remote select button followed by arrow down. So is there any other way to find signal levels the way I used to through the diagnostcs?

Navigator 3.1.1_SP1

For all ODN boxes press Vol+ and info on the box. That gives you the signal levels.

Keep us posted CW!!! I'll bet you're thinking! "OK, one more week and than I go back to my Gatored cabin till I get word it's installed here!"

Jack

Going back to the cabin next weekend Jack. Navigator here I come. LOL WOODY

3 - Need to still check, but if the second tuner does not buffer I will not be happy (love to watch 2 things at once via buffers and swap button - guess would need to record one or both).

/Dan

Oh - MDN 2.4.4-16

My condolences... I'm in the any day now category!

Part of the issue with needing to actually record stuff to overcome this feature downgrade is with the puny HDDs they use, you're not going to really be able to take advantage near as much as if you had 2 functioning buffers.

On my newly-Navigator'd 4-year-old 8300HD, when i first turn on my TV the SWAP key initially won't swap tuners like it did on Passport, and i do have to activate PIP in order to swap tuners. But after i swap tuners and close the PIP window, from then on the SWAP key does swap tuners without activating PIP, and both tuners are buffered. I always leave the DVR turned on (with the current channel being displayed on the front panel) so i don't know if that's why i can swap tuners without PIP after the initial PIP activation. I just tried it again and both tuners are buffering, and i'm swapping between tuners without using PIP.

One thing i just discovered that i haven't seen mentioned yet (although i haven't been watching this thread that close) is the buffer resets when a new show begins so at 6:05pm the buffer only goes back to 6:00 even though i've had that channel on since say 5:30. With Passport, i had up to a one hour buffer at all times whether a new show started or not.

So that makes 2 downgrades, no second buffer and the primary buffer only goes with the current show.

Do have a Q tho... I have mine set to show the channel when "on" but the time when "off." Can I still do that w/MDN?

@ riverside any word about when you are getting upgraded in the big apple ? Have you gotten the " FLYER " ? :D

What version(s) are these ? anyone know just by looking at it ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbZk56cyEKA&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRXd7PyZadE&feature=related

Going back to the cabin next weekend Jack. Navigator here I come. LOL WOODY

Hahahahaha!!! CW's now a Navigator ADDICT!!! The only reason that he's going back to the cabin is because it has a "gator!"

Jack

Lol!!! I am sure to be one by the end of the year !

What version(s) are these ? anyone know just by looking at it ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbZk56cyEKA&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRXd7PyZadE&feature=related

I had the sound down for both videos so I don't know what was said in the presentation. In the first URL, it's definitely a new Navigator version. Could not tell by the pics what version (ODN) or (MDN.) But the On-Demand channels menu is the one that you will get. (HOPEFULLY WITHOUT THE VOD Movie Delays) We used to get that on VOD about a year ago, but it works very well now.

In the second URL, it's an older model of Navigator. I can tell by the all blue menus. You definitely won't be getting this version. I don't know what divisions still have this old version. I would presume very very few, or it is a video that is at least a year old.

Jack

Lol!!! I am sure to be one by the end of the year !

Hey Abyss,

You and CW could be TWC spokespersons on a commercial for Navigator!! LOL!

Jack

sounds good ....i'm always wearing a baseball cap maybe i can be the next MIKE Omalley !!!!

Do have a Q tho... I have mine set to show the channel when "on" but the time when "off." Can I still do that w/MDN?
Yes, just set "channel always" and when turned off you get the time. I actually like this. With Passport I don't remember this combo but I had mine set to turn off when turned off. Apparently Navigator never shuts off fully. Haven't listened yet. /Dan

@ riverside any word about when you are getting upgraded in the big apple ? Have you gotten the " FLYER " ? :D

AFAIK, nobody in Brooklyn and Queens got anything, flyers or calls... and they have all been 'gatored.

For the past few days, every time I add further days schedules, they wipe them out within hours. Virtually guaranteeing none of my series settings will be maintained.

Yes, just set "channel always" and when turned off you get the time. I actually like this. With Passport I don't remember this combo but I had mine set to turn off when turned off. Apparently Navigator never shuts off fully. Haven't listened yet. /Dan

Yes, it was a "always show channel number" that gave me what I want... not the most instructive wording, eh?

On my newly-Navigator'd 4-year-old 8300HD, when i first turn on my TV the SWAP key initially won't swap tuners like it did on Passport, and i do have to activate PIP in order to swap tuners. But after i swap tuners and close the PIP window, from then on the SWAP key does swap tuners without activating PIP, and both tuners are buffered. I always leave the DVR turned on (with the current channel being displayed on the front panel) so i don't know if that's why i can swap tuners without PIP after the initial PIP activation. I just tried it again and both tuners are buffering, and i'm swapping between tuners without using PIP.


It works differently on Nav.

You don't need to press SWAP to switch tuners now. Whenever you change channel it will start buffering the new channel plus the channel you were previously on. Two channels are always buffering. To "swap" between them you can hit LAST.

So the way this screws you up is that on Passport changing channels had no effect on the second tuner unless you switched over first. You could buffer one channel, swap over and flip till your fingers fell off and it wouldn't affect the buffered channel. Now, flipping more than one channel will wipe out the first buffer.

The reason it won't swap on startup is because on power off both buffers get wiped. When it powers up again it doesn't activate the second buffer until you've changed to another channel.

The buffer behaviour also has some quirks and annoyances which I've had trouble predicting. I've found that you can be watching a channel as a recording starts up and it will erase the buffer for that channel even though you haven't changed it.

It works differently on Nav.

You don't need to press SWAP to switch tuners now. Whenever you change channel it will start buffering the new channel plus the channel you were previously on. Two channels are always buffering. To "swap" between them you can hit LAST.
However, if you keep the PIP screen “open” then the buffer will stay on that screen and be lost on the “big screen” but if you don’t have the PIP screen open then that non seen screen is the one changing and losing its buffer—when changing channels. :rolleyes::confused:;)

However, if you keep the PIP screen “open” then the buffer will stay on that screen and be lost on the “big screen” but if you don’t have the PIP screen open then that non seen screen is the one changing and losing its buffer—when changing channels. :rolleyes::confused:;)

You are basically locking that channel to the tuner. Usually it will replace the buffer on the previous channel if you flip too much but since the PiP window is open it doesn't have that temporary channel buffer to wipe.

So in that way it still works exactly like Passport. Since Passport would wipe the buffer of the main screen channel every time you flip and retain the visible PiP channel.

Most people probably won't even notice the change in tuner buffer behavior since it's probably only users like us who even did the swap trick to buffer two channels. Everyone else probably didn't even realize that pressing SWAP without the PiP open would switch tuners anyway.

Most people probably won't even notice the change in tuner buffer behavior since it's probably only users like us who even did the swap trick to buffer two channels. Everyone else probably didn't even realize that pressing SWAP without the PiP open would switch tuners anyway.;) You got that right. I used to manipulate Passport’s two tuners like a championship ping pong player serves and returns curves. :cool: I could glide through two “shows”, sans commercials, like a gold medal giant slalom skier flies through the gates. :cool:
Not anymore. :mad:
Navigator stinks. Fios is on my horizon.

;) You got that right. I used to manipulate Passport’s two tuners like a championship ping pong player serves and returns curves. :cool: I could glide through two “shows”, sans commercials, like a gold medal giant slalom skier flies through the gates. :cool:


Same here. I used the buffer trick all the time. If I was waiting for something interesting in a show to come up I used to have it buffering in the background while I flipped around on the main screen. Or I would have a show buffering in the background while I finished watching something else and then just flip over and rewind. That way I didn't have to record it.

I've lost count of how many times I've wiped a channel buffer now because I forgot the two channel rule.

It works differently on Nav.

You don't need to press SWAP to switch tuners now. Whenever you change channel it will start buffering the new channel plus the channel you were previously on. Two channels are always buffering. To "swap" between them you can hit LAST.
Great, the logic makes sense now. I noticed tonight and was going to comment that when you first turn the box on, both tuners seem to start on the same channel and therefore the swap just turns on the banner without a change. Once you change channels (or PIP and change channels) you are good with 2 buffers. Getting my list of have to have back and want back stuff for complaining. My brother was complaining about no current time on the banner and I said write down the complaints and I will let him know who to send them to. /Dan

I've been Navigatored and now I have NO VCR Timers and cannot record two programs when not home because I have no way to get my box to change channels when I am not there. Is there any way to get TWC to give me back Passport ?

I've been Navigatored and now I have NO VCR Timers and cannot record two programs when not home because I have no way to get my box to change channels when I am not there. Is there any way to get TWC to give me back Passport ?

You're stuck and TWC will never go back to passport. Why don't you call them since they do sometimes add new features if you complain about them enough.

Meh...I had a negative experience with Start Over tonight. Saw The Terminator was airing on Starz HD, but it was already about 30 minutes in. I got the Start Over option, so I activated it. Thought it was HILARIOUS that you can't fast forward on a paid movie channel, despite there being no commercials.

Anyway, I was watching and having a good time until about halfway through the movie, when the picture and sound suddenly froze, and went into an endless two second loop. I rewound back a few seconds, then pressed play, and ended up at the very start of the movie. Can't fast forward, so I said eff it, and went back to live TV.

You're stuck and TWC will never go back to passport. Why don't you call them since they do sometimes add new features if you complain about them enough.

Does anyone know if there is a manufacturer who makes a remote that is programmable and has an IR Blaster feature ? I guess I'm trying to revisit the early days of the Gemstar VCR Plus.

Could I rig a Netbook to an IR blaster and run GB-PVR just to work the channel controls on the Cable Box ?

TIA

Does anyone know if there is a manufacturer who makes a remote that is programmable and has an IR Blaster feature ? I guess I'm trying to revisit the early days of the Gemstar VCR Plus.


Why don't you just split the signal and use the STB for digital channels and the VCR for basic cable? Then you can just have the VCR switch inputs as long as you leave the STB on the channel you want to record.

VCR is more dead than Passport is at this stage. TWC want you to rent a DVR and adding VCR features is probably the last thing on their (very long) list of things to fix about Nav.

In the second URL, it's an older model of Navigator. I can tell by the all blue menus. You definitely won't be getting this version. I don't know what divisions still have this old version. I would presume very very few, or it is a video that is at least a year old.

Jack

i've still got the old blue/blue on a 3250Hd non DVR.

i've still got the old blue/blue on a 3250Hd non DVR.

My friend here in Charlotte with an 8300HD still has the old blue-on-blue MDN as well. A newer version of MDN is being beta tested here but apparently has not been rolled out to the masses yet.

A few people in Charlotte got MDN v2.4.6-19.

A few people in Charlotte got MDN v2.4.6-19.

Yes... I've heard that issues with Search, Favorites & Caller ID have been seen with it here and at other locations, including San Diego. Hey... that's why they beta test with limited rollouts. I'm just disappointed that Charlotte is behind on stable releases of both ODN and MDN. There are newer versions of both in wide use around the country... particularly ODN 3.1.1_3, which seems to play much nicer on the Samsungs than 3.1.0_11 does. We were the first to get the 3090 and still on older software.

San Diego is still at MDN v2.4.4-14. ODN wise were at v3.1.1_3.

A few people in Charlotte got MDN v2.4.6-19.

my 8300hd got 2.4.6-19 over aweek ago. i'm in salisbury which is part of the charlotte demographic area

is there some sort of "manual" for Mystro? I'm in Clearwater, Fl, just got the box and for the life of me, I cannot find in the guide how to select a different day, without manually scrolling.

is there some sort of "manual" for Mystro? I'm in Clearwater, Fl, just got the box and for the life of me, I cannot find in the guide how to select a different day, without manually scrolling.

The remote has [< Day] & [Day >] buttons... it's still scrolling but at least a day at a time instead of 1/2 hour at a time. Not too bad with only a week available anyway.

The remote has [< Day] & [Day >] buttons... it's still scrolling but at least a day at a time instead of 1/2 hour at a time. Not too bad with only a week available anyway.

and you can also select a number of days to skip on the number pad then press the right arrow beside the SEL button to jump that number of days up in the guide. still limited to a weeks worth of data though.

Yes... I've heard that issues with Search, Favorites & Caller ID have been seen with it here and at other locations, including San Diego. Hey... that's why they beta test with limited rollouts. I'm just disappointed that Charlotte is behind on stable releases of both ODN and MDN. There are newer versions of both in wide use around the country... particularly ODN 3.1.1_3, which seems to play much nicer on the Samsungs than 3.1.0_11 does. We were the first to get the 3090 and still on older software.

My SMT-H3260 HD-STB runs ODN v3.1.1_3 and it runs pretty well. I couldn't imagine it with ODN v3.1.0_11. The Software is much newer than the 3090's software. Software is v4.2.2.1 dated February 2009. This box is definitely newer than the 3090. I don't know when it was manufactured but it was probably 02/09. I think it has 64 MB of flash and maybe 256 mb of ram. I think the 3090 has 128 or something like that. Maybe it has more. It's probably unified ram. I don't know what the 3260 has.

Is there anyway to jump ahead when fast forwarding? Before while it was on fast forward, a push of the > button on the directional pad will jump ahead 15 minutes. now i have to use the fastforward 3x speed to move ahead, there's no more jump.

Is there anyway to jump ahead when fast forwarding? Before while it was on fast forward, a push of the > button on the directional pad will jump ahead 15 minutes. now i have to use the fastforward 3x speed to move ahead, there's no more jump.


Yes there is... Press and hold the FF button to jump ahead.

Note that it does not jump 15 minutes from your current location... it jumps to the next 15 minute mark of the program (i.e., the :15, :30 & :45 points in a 1 hour show).

wow, thanks for the help! how in the world did you ever figure out to pick a number and the hit the > button?
still, no online manual exists?

john....Here's a guide link that exist for navigator features hope this helps you out ....i printed it out for if or when we get navigator.:D:D:D:D:D


http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/1/1/FAQ/Documents/Navigator_QuickStartGuide.pdf

wow, thanks for the help! how in the world did you ever figure out to pick a number and the hit the > button?
still, no online manual exists?


its just one of those things i've always known. dont know if it was trial and error, i read it somewhere, or what. it has worked like that on all the boxes and software i have had. 3250HD, 8300HD, 3090. sara, passport, navigator. works like that on the original remote as well as the harmony.
glad to help.

cisco links for all scientific atlanta boxes
http://www.cisco.com/web/consumer/support/prod_tv_set_tops.html#~highdefinition,

Is there some company policy on Navigator, why TWC cannot release information on what is included in version updates? I don't think this should be such a secret. For example, web browsers like Firefox and IE when new versions come out, they talk about new features. TWC should do this as well with Navigator. How could it hurt by them providing press releases of the how and why as to what makes the update better?

Jack

Is there some company policy on Navigator, why TWC cannot release information on what is included in version updates? I don't think this should be such a secret. For example, web browsers like Firefox and IE when new versions come out, they talk about new features. TWC should do this as well with Navigator. How could it hurt by them providing press releases of the how and why as to what makes the update better?

Jack

It's probably to avoid putting anything in writing that franchising authorities can use against them... particularly since TWC doesn't update nationally in any uniform way. It's bad enough for a handful of us to compare notes here... but its another whole thing when the franchising authorities have things published in writing to determine if they've been slighted.

The buffer behaviour also has some quirks and annoyances which I've had trouble predicting. I've found that you can be watching a channel as a recording starts up and it will erase the buffer for that channel even though you haven't changed it.I have not tested when a recording starts up, but when watching a channle, the buffer indicator shows only the current program, but you can rewind past that and it jumps to the previous show. /Dan

john....Here's a guide link that exist for navigator features hope this helps you out ....i printed it out for if or when we get navigator.:D:D:D:D:D


http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/1/1/FAQ/Documents/Navigator_QuickStartGuide.pdfWe got that brochure in the mail about 1 month before the non-DVR machine got Navigator and 2 months before the DVR got hit. /Dan

So that makes 2 downgrades, no second buffer and the primary buffer only goes with the current show.
After playing around some neither of these are true. Second buffer active once you change channel (old channel and new channel buffered). If you channle again, previous and new channel buffered and first one stopped. Once you get the logic, makes sense. Also, after a new show starts, the indicated buffer resets to the new show start time, but you can rewind past that still (not expected since not shown). /Dan

After playing around some neither of these are true. Second buffer active once you change channel (old channel and new channel buffered). If you channle again, previous and new channel buffered and first one stopped. Once you get the logic, makes sense. Also, after a new show starts, the indicated buffer resets to the new show start time, but you can rewind past that still (not expected since not shown). /DanOkay, but how do you switch from one buffer to the other? In Passport, the SWAP key did that (with the PIP not displayed). It would also buffer the unviewed tuner for some hours before stopping.

Okay, but how do you switch from one buffer to the other? In Passport, the SWAP key did that (with the PIP not displayed). It would also buffer the unviewed tuner for some hours before stopping.

Probably like SARA - you need to bring PIP up, swap, then turn PIP off. You can just make a macro if you have a universal remote.

xnappo

What pisses me off is that I can get a channel on the STB in my main living room, but I get the
"This channel is currently unavailable. Please try again later." message for the same channel in another room when both are on at the same time.

A channel should be able to be viewed on more than one STB in the same home at the same time.

This afternoon I plan on switching the outside cable connection for the bad room with the cable connection that goes into my "office" to see if that helps.

This just started to happen to me. It happened on my SA8300HD (with eSATA HD) today on the Fox Sports North HD Channel and some other channels right below that one. My SA8300HDC was fine. Rebooted and the SA8300HD is now working normally besides all the normal irritations.

Okay, but how do you switch from one buffer to the other? In Passport, the SWAP key did that (with the PIP not displayed). It would also buffer the unviewed tuner for some hours before stopping.

See my earlier post. Just press SWAP, it works exactly the same once a second channel is viewed but it's unnecessary now since LAST does the same thing.

The second tuner is automatically used as soon as you view more than one channel. Each channel sits on it's own tuner and buffer. You watch channel A and it buffers, you flip to channel B - the second tuner and buffer become active, you flip again to channel C and that replaces channel A on the first tuner, flip again to channel D and that replaces channel B on the second tuner etc.

Okay, but how do you switch from one buffer to the other? In Passport, the SWAP key did that (with the PIP not displayed). It would also buffer the unviewed tuner for some hours before stopping.As noted above, swap works after you change channels. Also, LAST does the same thing. The logic makes sense (versus some others in Navigator). Last 2 channels viewed are in the tuners and buffered. If you go to a third channel, the first one drops off and the last two are now in the tuners. Of course, if a recording starts, it takes the other buffer. Buffer though still seems to be one hour each (which should be enough without using up too much HD space). /Dan

(Let's call the tuner that you're currently viewing the "front tuner" and the tuner that you aren't viewing the "back tuner"). Are you saying that if you tune a third channel when both tuners are buffering, it will tune it on the back tuner and then switch to displaying that tuner? If so, that doesn't make any sense to me. If I change the channel on the front tuner, it means that I don't want to watch that channel now, period, and I don't want it buffered. I'm certainly not saying that I want to dump what I'm buffering on the back tuner.

Let's say that I want to keep buffering the back tuner (so that when I go back to it the buffer's big enought that I can zap ads without catching up). At the same time I want to channel surf. This is something that I do from time to time, mostly while watching sports events, cause I hate watching sports with ad interruptions. If it works like I think that you're saying it works (and of course, I could be wrong :)), I'd have to keep swapping tuners to do this, which is clumsy and, for me at least, utterly counterintuitive.

(Let's call the tuner that you're currently viewing the "front tuner" and the tuner that you aren't viewing the "back tuner"). Are you saying that if you tune a third channel when both tuners are buffering, it will tune it on the back tuner and then switch to displaying that tuner? If so, that doesn't make any sense to me. If I change the channel on the front tuner, it means that I don't want to watch that channel now, period, and I don't want it buffered. I'm certainly not saying that I want to dump what I'm buffering on the back tuner.

Let's say that I want to keep buffering the back tuner (so that when I go back to it the buffer's big enought that I can zap ads without catching up). At the same time I want to channel surf. This is something that I do from time to time, mostly while watching sports events, cause I hate watching sports with ad interruptions. If it works like I think that you're saying it works (and of course, I could be wrong :)), I'd have to keep swapping tuners to do this, which is clumsy and, for me at least, utterly counterintuitive....And remember, if the PIP screen is open, all bets are off, regarding the above buffering description. :rolleyes: Navigator stinks.

I've been Navigatored and now I have NO VCR Timers and cannot record two programs when not home because I have no way to get my box to change channels when I am not there. Is there any way to get TWC to give me back Passport ?

Your cable box will still work the same way....I gave it a try....like before you find the show you want to record in the guide....when you push "select" choose the "timer reminder" option with the show that you want to record... it will be highlighted in purple with a little clock on the guide...I did this on my non-dvr cable box...the box changed channels....then I did it for multiple recordings...it changed every time...so it is just called something different but it still works...

Your cable box will still work the same way....I gave it a try....like before you find the show you want to record in the guide....when you push "select" choose the "timer reminder" option with the show that you want to record... it will be highlighted in purple with a little clock on the guide...I did this on my non-dvr cable box...the box changed channels....then I did it for multiple recordings...it changed every time...so it is just called something different but it still works...

On the DVR boxes it only pops up a reminder... no channel change.

Let's say that I want to keep buffering the back tuner (so that when I go back to it the buffer's big enought that I can zap ads without catching up). At the same time I want to channel surf. This is something that I do from time to time, mostly while watching sports events, cause I hate watching sports with ad interruptions. If it works like I think that you're saying it works (and of course, I could be wrong :)), I'd have to keep swapping tuners to do this, which is clumsy and, for me at least, utterly counterintuitive.

You can't. The buffer is lost when you flip. Every time you change the channel it switches tuners and creates a new buffer. The tuner swap is out of your control.

The only way to keep a channel buffer intact is to have the PiP window open because then the channel is in view so it's locked.

Say you are watching USA ...

Back tuner - HBO
Front Tuner - USA

Flip one channel to Fox and the box also flips tuners and it becomes:

Back tuner - USA (still buffering)
Front Tuner - Fox (new buffer deletes HBO)

Flip to ABC:

Back Tuner - Fox (still buffering)
Front Tuner - ABC (new buffer deletes USA)

etc.

In the TWC LA thread there is speculation that Navigator could come to Motorola boxes. TWC North Texas aka Dallas has Navigator pages. I could see ODN for the DCX and DCH boxes with a special version of MDN for the DCT boxes. Or it could all be the Moto boxes running the ported MDN. TWC wants to debut it asap but it might not be until the end of this year. Early 2010 seems likely.

Then again there is no specific timeframe for deploying Navigator on the Motorola boxes.

The only way to keep a channel buffer intact is to have the PiP window open because then the channel is in view so it's locked.That's our new mantra. :rolleyes: ;)

You can't. The buffer is lost when you flip. Every time you change the channel it switches tuners and creates a new buffer. The tuner swap is out of your control.

The only way to keep a channel buffer intact is to have the PiP window open because then the channel is in view so it's locked.

Say you are watching USA ...

Back tuner - HBO
Front Tuner - USA

Flip one channel to Fox and the box also flips tuners and it becomes:

Back tuner - USA (still buffering)
Front Tuner - Fox (new buffer deletes HBO)

Flip to ABC:

Back Tuner - Fox (still buffering)
Front Tuner - ABC (new buffer deletes USA)

etc.

When you rewind Live TV then the buffer clears out within 5 to 6 minutes after the show ends.

Anyone else's SA 8300 box does this?

My box keeps powering the HD up, then all of a sudden it loudly clicks off. Does this about 3-4 times an hour. Consistently too.

All this happened after it switched to the new Navigator interface (which sucks compared to the last one)

Anyone else's SA 8300 box does this?

My box keeps powering the HD up, then all of a sudden it loudly clicks off. Does this about 3-4 times an hour. Consistently too.

All this happened after it switched to the new Navigator interface (which sucks compared to the last one)

I have not heard of that specific problem, but I would unplug the power to the box AND disconnect the HDMI or Component Cable for about 20 minutes. Than plug the cable back in first, and the box second. Allow a boot up with the TV off. After the correct time or channel number shows in the display, turn your box and TV back on. If the box was stuck in a software upgrade lock up loop, this might take care of it.

If it happens again, the HD is likely going bad, and you will need to get your box exchanged.

Jack

I guess I should first say that I am not in the camp where I feel I got "stuck with Navigator." i pushed and pushed for the new Samsung 3090. Howevahhh... I was told and thought i read here that the box is much faster than the 8300 and also saw posts saying the picture was "much better" For me, the box as far as channel changing goes, is slow. Some channels taking almost 10 sec. I thought that it might be having a hard time with all the resolutions so in the Settings/Display I set everything to be 1080i. Anyone else find any sure fire answers? Also, is there a online Navigator manual somewhere? I mean is everyone just "figuring" all this out?
I'm impressed if so!

I guess I should first say that I am not in the camp where I feel I got "stuck with Navigator." i pushed and pushed for the new Samsung 3090. Howevahhh... I was told and thought i read here that the box is much faster than the 8300 and also saw posts saying the picture was "much better" For me, the box as far as channel changing goes, is slow. Some channels taking almost 10 sec. I thought that it might be having a hard time with all the resolutions so in the Settings/Display I set everything to be 1080i. Anyone else find any sure fire answers? Also, is there a online Navigator manual somewhere? I mean is everyone just "figuring" all this out?
I'm impressed if so!

Hi John,

What box/model do you have now? If I read correctly, you wanted a Samsung 3090 but could not get one? What TWC division are you? 10 seconds for channel changes is S-L-O-W. The first thing that's coming to mind provided that you have a newer box (This is defined as any SA DVR above model 8000, any SA non-DVR at or above 3000) or a new Samsung box, would be poor signal strength and line problems. You should call TWC to get a service appointment and SPECIFICALLY ask that signal strength and your cable line from the poll drop be checked. That is where they would first look for problems, (or SHOULD first look for problems.)

If that checks out OK, than try another box, but have the signals and lines checked first. Make sure when the tech is there that you specifically SHOW him that 10 second pause in channel changing. Yes, something is wrong here.

Let us know what happens.

Jack

as I stated, it's the Samsung 3090 HD DVR. It's what I wanted. Ley me say that not all channels take that long, but the fastest switch is maybe 5 seconds.

(Let's call the tuner that you're currently viewing the "front tuner" and the tuner that you aren't viewing the "back tuner"). Are you saying that if you tune a third channel when both tuners are buffering, it will tune it on the back tuner and then switch to displaying that tuner? If so, that doesn't make any sense to me. If I change the channel on the front tuner, it means that I don't want to watch that channel now, period, and I don't want it buffered. I'm certainly not saying that I want to dump what I'm buffering on the back tuner.

Let's say that I want to keep buffering the back tuner (so that when I go back to it the buffer's big enought that I can zap ads without catching up). At the same time I want to channel surf. This is something that I do from time to time, mostly while watching sports events, cause I hate watching sports with ad interruptions. If it works like I think that you're saying it works (and of course, I could be wrong :)), I'd have to keep swapping tuners to do this, which is clumsy and, for me at least, utterly counterintuitive.You are correct. I guess I should have been more verbose when I said the logic makes sense. This makes sense for most (the average user) people that do not play buffer swap. They can always go back to the previous channel and go back in time. They are watching something and a long series of commercials or an uninteresting segment comes on, they can change channels and "LAST" back with buffer still active. Passport would not since the "back buffer" would not change. So, at least the logic makes sense (versus some other Navigator features). But, personally I prefer the Passport way of keeping the "back buffer" in place and only be changing the "front buffer" while changing channels. But, now that I got the logic I will work with it, which I cannot do with things like no 4X speed, time of show while moving through buffer, manual record, etc. I still need to check this buffer after new show starts stuff. I will not be happy if it is still not 1 hour. I have been able to buffer back past the beginning of a show, but now I see this only last 5 minutes or so. All I can say as a positive note is that we did not get Navigator 2 years ago when they first said we would. Leaving on vacation for a couple weeks and now cannot record something the day we get back because I cannot set-up a manual recording and of course it is not in the Guide yet. /Dan

as I stated, it's the Samsung 3090 HD DVR. It's what I wanted. Ley me say that not all channels take that long, but the fastest switch is maybe 5 seconds.

Thanks,

Another little silly thing that people often overlook. Can you hold down the right arrow key on your remote or the Page+/- button on your remote for about 10 seconds and get fast scrolling power-speed mode on the guide? If you cannot and the guide just stays at normal speed this may be do to low battery power that MIGHT be affecting your channel change delays. Get some new fresh batteries in there if that is the case. You should also try pressing SETTINGS on your remote, and set the Banner Duration speed to "Medium." or "Fast" The default speeds for the Channel Banner settings are:

Slow= About 5 Seconds

Medium= About 3 Seconds (This is where I set mine. I have an SA-8300HD)

Fast= About 1 Second

However, if you can scroll fast, but there is still 5 or more seconds in between channel changes I'd try my recommendations above, and if that doesn't work, call TWC requesting that a signal and line test be done by a tech stating that it takes about 5-10 seconds to change channels. Again, show the tech the slowness in changing channels when he is there so he can see it firsthand.

Jack

When other divisions got MDN v2.4.4-16, San Diego now has MDN v2.4.6-19. Not too many new features but I think nearest tune is going to be there.

I guess I should first say that I am not in the camp where I feel I got "stuck with Navigator." i pushed and pushed for the new Samsung 3090. Howevahhh... I was told and thought i read here that the box is much faster than the 8300 and also saw posts saying the picture was "much better" For me, the box as far as channel changing goes, is slow. Some channels taking almost 10 sec. I thought that it might be having a hard time with all the resolutions so in the Settings/Display I set everything to be 1080i. Anyone else find any sure fire answers? Also, is there a online Navigator manual somewhere? I mean is everyone just "figuring" all this out?
I'm impressed if so!

Are you saying that when the output resolution is locked at 1080i you are still experiencing the delay? If it is that is not typical behavior. I have found that if I set the output to a fixed resolution there is virtually no delay whatsoever... the box itself syncs up in about a 1/4 second or so.

However, for best PQ I do not like to let the box scale and then have to scale again (another whole discussion), so I have 480i, 720p & 1080i outputs all turned on so all sources are output native. If I connect the box directly to my Samsung TV and allow my TV to do all scaling, the HDMI resolution handshake delay (which i believe to be all in the TV) takes about 2 seconds when switching between channels of different resolutions, and is instantaneous if the two channels are same resolution.

If I have the HDMI feed running through my AVR (Onkyo 876 w/ Reon scaler), upscaling native inputs from the box to 1080p, the receiver is slower to sync up. Maybe not 10 seconds, but 5-6 secs between channels with differing resolutions... still instantaneous if channels are same res.

How did you have your SA box set up? All resolutions out or locked at 1080i?

as I stated, it's the Samsung 3090 HD DVR. It's what I wanted. Ley me say that not all channels take that long, but the fastest switch is maybe 5 seconds.

Not saying this is your issue, but the TV definitely plays a role here. My sister is one block from me, has the same services I do, same box., same software, everything the same EXCEPT she has a 40" Sony LCD and I have a 40" Samsung LCD, both bought the same year. All cable box settings are the same. Her TV is a lot slower changing channels than mine.

Not saying this is your issue, but the TV definitely plays a role here. My sister is one block from me, has the same services I do, same box., same software, everything the same EXCEPT she has a 40" Sony LCD and I have a 40" Samsung LCD, both bought the same year. All cable box settings are the same. Her TV is a lot slower changing channels than mine.But that doesn't rule out hardware problems with the box nor does it take into account that you might have different signal levels.

But that doesn't rule out hardware problems with the box nor does it take into account that you might have different signal levels.

Which is why I said "plays a role."

MDN v2.4.6-19 still has working eSATA.

Why does the buffer empty out if you FF or REW live tv. It's supposed to last 1 hour but it erases itself after 55 minutes.

MDN v2.4.6-19 still has working eSATA.

What about Nearest Tune? I also heard that the Favorites List is organized differently? And that "Sort By Favorites" is either gone or in some other location? Note that I am only talking about Navigator MDN v.2.4.6.-19

Jack

The HDC and Samsung boxes still use DAVIC as the OOB mechanism. DSG isn't activated on those boxes. All OCAP/tru2way compliant boxes still support legacy Motorola and SA OOB mechanisms. Motorola is SCTE 55-1 and SA is 55-2.

MDN v2.4.6-19 adds Frame Control and some enhancements to the favorites feature. Now you can press pause and play for 1 by 1 frame control. Just like ODN.

MDN v2.4.6-19 adds Frame Control and some enhancements to the favorites feature. Now you can press pause and play for 1 by 1 frame control. Just like ODN.

The frame-by-frame sounds cool. Is it still only a 3x advance? What about Nearest Tune? What new features did they add to favorites?

Reliability has been very good for me on MDN v2.4.4-15 here, so I would hope that each subsequent version upgrade would make the DVR even more reliable than previous versions.

It sounds like they might be working to get the reliability up to as good as Passport, than stuff like Keyword Search should be added.

That is strange that Nearest Tune first came out only on ODN. Because that sure doesn't sound like a "Big deal" to add to existing boxes.

At least TWC is not rushing this stuff out and is taking their time to make sure it works. I wonder if SARA users are going to get MDN 2.4.4-16 or 2.4.6-19?

Jack

You can see your favorites in the guide instead of having all the channels. I think SARA users will get 2.4.6-19. Greensboro delayed it since they were sent down a newer version. That and frame control were added. I don't think it has nearest tune. Keyword search will probably debut in ODN and then MDN later. Actually one guy in a San Diego HD forum had his 8300HD reboot within a day after this upgrade. Yet a guy in Charlotte says it fixes a few bugs.

You can see your favorites in the guide instead of having all the channels.

That's pretty cool,

I think that this was something that Ben wanted where he could just view the channels that he was interested in on the guide and nothing else. So if we are getting a Favorites Only feature, that is really going to help remove a lot of clutter. I personally don't mind seeing all the channels because I like to see what I currently don't have just to do comparisons.

I like the VOD screens way better than Passport and the VOD in Navigator is more reliable. But here are some things that could still be improved:

The Recording Log: Tells you when you deleted a show or that a show didn't record, but should provide more detail as to why a show did not record as planned. Here is a Parental Control Question as it relates to the Recording Log:

Let's say you set up parental control to block all Adult content, but a family member who has a PIN set up, overrides the block to watch Adult content. He/She records the content. If it is certified as "Blocked" by Parental Control, does the title appear or not in the Recording Log? If it does, parents may be concerned about young eyes viewing titles of content that they may not want them to see in the first place.

Than the same things that are still needed. Keyword Search and Manual Recording.

Jack

That's pretty cool,

I think that this was something that Ben wanted where he could just view the channels that he was interested in on the guide and nothing else. So if we are getting a Favorites Only feature, that is really going to help remove a lot of clutter. I personally don't mind seeing all the channels because I like to see what I currently don't have just to do comparisons.

I like the VOD screens way better than Passport and the VOD in Navigator is more reliable. But here are some things that could still be improved:

The Recording Log: Tells you when you deleted a show or that a show didn't record, but should provide more detail as to why a show did not record as planned. Here is a Parental Control Question as it relates to the Recording Log:

Let's say you set up parental control to block all Adult content, but a family member who has a PIN set up, overrides the block to watch Adult content. He/She records the content. If it is certified as "Blocked" by Parental Control, does the title appear or not in the Recording Log? If it does, parents may be concerned about young eyes viewing titles of content that they may not want them to see in the first place.

Than the same things that are still needed. Keyword Search and Manual Recording.

Jack

ODN already has this feature for quite some time.