Hard Candy

[Airboss]

Watched Hard Candy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0424136/) along with The Proposition (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0421238/) last night and found Hard Candy to be the better of the two. It's starts out excellant but, sad to say, fizzles out towards the end.

"Using the idea of grown men using the Internet to meet and hook up with underage children, despite the possibility that they are communicating with someone who is not as they seem, “Hard Candy” opens on a meeting in a coffee shop between Jeff (Patrick Wilson), a photographer in his early 30's, and Hayley (Ellen Page), a girl who appears to be about 14 or so. This is their first face-to-face encounter after some chat-room flirting and after some slightly awkward banter, Jeff invites her back to his isolated house with the promise of a bootleg MP3 and the possibility of her modeling for him."


The actors did an excellant job with some very provocative material and it definately keep me entertained.

[JayF]

I've wanted to see this but missed it at the theater. Looks kind of similar in setup to movies like Extremities and Death & the Maiden... both of which I liked a lot. Thanks for the reminder that this is out on DVD.

[RockDawg]

I had hoped that Netflix would send this to me this week, but alas... it was not to be. I've read mixed reviews on it, but the average tends to be positive. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

[lonwolf615]

Was going to rent it this week thinking it was one of those obscure, offbeat thrillers I go for. but its apparently not as obscure as I thought.Hollywood, where I usually have no trouble getting new releases, was out of it by noon-they said they got 8 copies. Another place got 23 copies and they were all out too-and all 23 were reserved when they came back!

[FredProgGH]

I just think it's a shame that no one managed to think of that title back in the 70's- just imagine it:

"Pam Grier IS- Hard Candy!!! She'll break your jaw but she goes down easy!! An American International Pictures release."

:D

[PooperScooper]

I watched this last night. It kept me watching to see what happens. But after I saw what happens I'm not sure if it was worth it. There's a part of the movie that I had trouble watching and I would think most males of the species will react the same way. :) There were only 5 people in the movie and just the two main characters had more than a couple minutes. I guess my biggest criticism, IMO, was the plot was extremely contrived - not that other movie plots aren't - but there were just too many "yeah right, give me a break" moments/parts. On the other hand, the acting was quite good and the PQ was not bad. Worth a rent.

larry

[Chris Rein]

Watched this yesterday and I must say it was a great flick. The story was great, and the twists were pretty darn good too. I thought the acting on both parts was top-notch, and what's funny, the one who I thought MIGHT have a nice little acting part that seemed polished was Sandra Oh, but she was horrid in this one (for the record, I'm not a fan of hers).

I'm recommending this one to friends.

[thehun]

This has to be one of the more interesting movies I've seen in a while.
While the basic premise may seem simple, you soon find out that nothing as it seems. New comer Ellen Page plays the 14 year old girl,delivers a very mature and intelectual performance[reminds me of the young Jodie Foster], however sometimes you ask yourself if you know any teenager who talks like that.But clearly her character wasn't just an ordinary teen.This DVD features a pristine transfer, most of the film takes place indors and uses a lot of close ups, tightly framed shots, so lots of details on faces cloths objects etc. Colors are just perfect, so are skintones. Sound is mostly dialog, and it was rendered fine.
It has some extras but I haven't had the time to watch'em. While it is a rated R it's not a gory or bloddy movie, but it deals with adult subject matters, with a rather frank and sometimes shocking ways. Not for children, but I recommend it to everyone else. Should be out now.

[cwilson]

My wife liked it a lot, which is surprising, and a little frightening.

We're tiptoeing around the subject matter - which is pedophilia - but the movie is nothing like what you might expect.

[lonwolf615]

[QUOTE=cwilson]My wife liked it a lot, which is surprising, and a little frightening.

QUOTE]
Mine too...and my reaction to that was the same as yours..:)
Thought it was good, but nowheres near as shocking as the storyline would lead you to believe it could be...Not in the same league as Feed, for example..but its definately not boring. Great premise!

[Wytchone]

Worth watching but you really have suspend disbelief alot to enjoy it IMO.

Both actors did a decent job but I found the sound to be a bit soft for most of the movie.

[thehun]

Just noticed that Ellen Page was in X-Men 3 as well playing "Kitty" the girl who walks through walls.

[Shaded Dogfood]

Just watched it. The extras may be about as interesting as the film itself- it really goes into detail as to how a little indie film gets conceived, funded, filmed, pitched and marketed.

It's an earnest effort and sure to attract those with a purient bent, but as the old Scooper observes it's essentially a two-person show, and neither is terribly attractive. Patrick Wilson as the guy is naturally unattractive, but Ellen Page plays the girl as an annoying monologuer, and the long castration scene (which to no one's surprise comes to nothing) is a sort of grueling, overlong sequence that doesn't really build and ultimately just lays there and derails the picture. It's like spending the weekend with bickering people you don't particularly care for.

The filmmakers were proud that after an impressive series of showings at Sundance they made it clear to distributors they wouldn't cut a frame of it. Well it needed some trimming. It begins and ends well, but it's a really long middle, and Page's one-note performance once she gets to the house is like fingernails on a blackboard.

[Cliff Stephenson]

Just watched it. The extras may be about as interesting as the film itself- it really goes into detail as to how a little indie film gets conceived, funded, filmed, pitched and marketed.

Thanks, I created the docs on the disc and I'm always glad to hear that they were enjoyed and appriciated.

[Mcklein]

good movie indeed, its worth the time.

[spyder696969]

Liked this movie quite a bit. (Surprise, to those of you that know how brutally I rate films.) It was exactly what I thought it would be, right to the end. My favorite part is on the Bonus Materials, when one of the guys is saying that 50% loved it, 25% hated it, and 25% weren't sure what they thought of it. He was very proud to get srtong responses, rather than a simple, "Meh, take it or leave it." A bit hard to swallow, but much easier to believe than "Prison Break", if that helps. ;)

[DBNyack]

I just watched this last night, and found it to disturbingly good. Very surprising plot and ending. Picture quality was good to. Highly recommended.

[MTyson]

Mine too...and my reaction to that was the same as yours..:)
Thought it was good, but nowheres near as shocking as the storyline would lead you to believe it could be...Not in the same league as Feed, for example..but its definately not boring. Great premise!


I watched this one not long ago and enjoyed it quite a bit. Great acting, great premise and some good dialogue; it's a bit over the top, but that's where suspension of disbelief comes in. :cool:

I watched one of the extras and the writer (I believe) basically said Buffy The Vampire Slayer was one of his main inspirations for writing the lead female character. :D

[Beeswax]

wow maybe i'll check it out now!

[Grubert]

Just watched it on DVD.

I liked it a lot - script, acting and cinematograpy, especially the disappointment of watching Saw just a week before.

I think that movies like this one, or Hostel, are influenced by modern disturbing oriental movies by filmmakers such as Takashi Miike or Park Chan-wook.

I appreciated the ambivalence in the treatment of the characters. Most movies are designed for you to root for one of the characters. This one really plays with 'your loyalties.'

I watched one of the extras and the writer (I believe) basically said Buffy The Vampire Slayer was one of his main inspirations for writing the lead female character.

Actually the only major flaw I find with the movie is that the girl comes off as supersmart and superstrong, not to mention remarkably psycho - kind of Buffy meets the Audition girl meets Glenn Close from Fatal Attraction. :D

I created the docs on the disc and I'm always glad to hear that they were enjoyed and appriciated.

I was about to PM you to ask. Congratulations! I watched the documentaries and at the end, when I saw 'Directed by Cliff Stephenson' I went, WTF? Of course, the captions explaining the meaning of anamorphic and Super35 gave away that the extras had been put together by a fellow video geek. ;)

[JohnR_IN_LA]

Wow this was a GREAT movie.
The acting is superb ...

The DVD upconverted just fine ... quite a crisp DVD.
Ellen Page is the best female actor to emerge in the last couple years ...
The male actor, Patrick Wilson, arguably had a more difficult role, and pulls it off with expertise.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/07/06/hard_candy_wideweb__470x312,0.jpg

The subjects and solutions are disturbing. Guys will majorly cringe....

http://media.movieweb.com/galleries/3213/2308/lo/cod.jpg

Its a movie for people that love acting and drama, and don't mind it if a movie takes them to uncomforatable places.

Thanks for the recommend of this movie from the Juno thread.

[Jim McC]

I saw it last week, excellent movie.

[Rutgar]

Ellen Page holds this otherwise forgetable movie completely together. After seeing both Hard Candy and Juno, I think that Page is one of the finest young actresses to have come along in decades! She is so dry, sincere, witty, and shows wisdom far beyond her years all at the same time, that I just can't help but be impressed by her. As John said, Thanks for recommending this movie in the Juno thread.

[Airboss]

Ellen Page fans should check out the movie "The Tracey Fragments (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0801526/)" also.

My review (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1021857) on AVS.

[oink]

Finally got around to Hard Candy.


WOW!!!!!!!
If ever there was a suspense sleeper, this is it!:eek:
Reminded me of Psycho...for some reason.
Terrific writing.

Ellen Page is nothing short of incredible in this film.
Puts her Juno performance in the shade.

Do yourself a favor and see this film, if you haven't already...

[Rammitinski]

Saw it on IFC (I think it was).

Didn't think all that much of it by the time it was over. Didn't find Page's character very believable at all. I never saw Juno, but if she was supposedly a lot better in this, then Juno must've been extremely overrated, from all the hoopla I've ever heard about it.

Good premise - I just thought it could've been done better.

I certainly wouldn't pay to rent it.

[Rutgar]

Saw it on IFC (I think it was).

Didn't think all that much of it by the time it was over. Didn't find Page's character very believable at all. I never saw Juno, but if she was supposedly a lot better in this, then Juno must've been extremely overrated, from all the hoopla I've ever heard about it.

Good premise - I just thought it could've been done better.

I certainly wouldn't pay to rent it.

Juno is cuter. Page isn't such a sociopathic, a-moral, vigilante be-otch in Juno. ;)

[oink]

Juno is cuter. Page isn't such a sociopathic, a-moral, vigilante be-otch in Juno. ;)
Juno was cuter...no doubt about it.
I didn't realize EP had such range.
She could be a real star (with real talent).;)


Saw it on IFC (I think it was).
Good premise - I just thought it could've been done better.

Did IFC censor it in any way?
If they did, that would lessen the impact considerably.
There was some VERY intense stuff in it...

Another movie with a similar premise is Freeway with Reese Witherspoon and Keifer Sutherland.
An excellent movie, BTW.

[PooperScooper]

I can't remember if IFC censors or not. Been a long time since I watched IFC. The cable movie channel HD version was the same as the DVD.

larry

[Airboss]

I can't remember if IFC censors or not. Been a long time since I watched IFC. The cable movie channel HD version was the same as the DVD.

larry

I do not believe IFC censors. For a channel promoting Independent Film that would be kind of lame.

[PooperScooper]

I do not believe IFC censors. For a channel promoting Independent Film that would be kind of lame.

Very true. Although the only reason that leaves some doubt with me is that you don't have to explicitly pay extra for IFC like the other major cable movie channels that don't censor/edit, e.g. HBO, Showtime, etc. IFC may purposely not show some movies because of content. I want to say I don't recall nudity on IFC but I can't trust my memory longer that a few hours ago. :)

larry

[Airboss]

Very true. Although the only reason that leaves some doubt with me is that you don't have to explicitly pay extra for IFC like the other major cable movie channels that don't censor/edit, e.g. HBO, Showtime, etc. IFC may purposely not show some movies because of content. I want to say I don't recall nudity on IFC but I can't trust my memory longer that a few hours ago. :)

larry

From this article "The Very Independent IFC (http://www.allbusiness.com/media-telecommunications/movies-sound-recording/6320645-1.html)":

But the network has always had a reputation as an outpost of alternative content, a place uncluttered by ads where the Federal Communications Commission’s heavy hand has not yet intruded: Movies run uncut, nudity and swear words intact.

and

"Carroll hopes to expand distribution of its IFC Uncensored subscription VOD service that offers programs that have been banned or censored either in the U.S. or abroad."

Read the complete article, it's very interesting.

[PooperScooper]

Cool. It'd be nice if they did HD.

larry

[Rammitinski]

No, it didn't seem censored. It was very intense. It's just that intensity doesn't automatically make it a real good movie for me.

And yeah, IFC does show some nudity. Even full-frontal on occasion.

[Missions]

Don't click this link unless you want to see a major SPOILER in the film!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMXed9Nvjfo

[lonwolf615]

Juno was cuter...no doubt about it.
I didn't realize EP had such range.
She could be a real star (with real talent).;)



Did IFC censor it in any way?
If they did, that would lessen the impact considerably.
There was some VERY intense stuff in it...

Another movie with a similar premise is Freeway with Reese Witherspoon and Keifer Sutherland.
An excellent movie, BTW.

Freeway is a MUCH better film, IMO.

[oink]

Freeway is a MUCH better film, IMO.

Agreed.:)
RW's best performance and KS is about as creepy as you can get.

[spyder696969]

If you liked Hard Candy because you love feeling overly disconcerted, try Funny Games.

[Airboss]

If you liked Hard Candy because you love feeling overly disconcerted, try Funny Games.

Re "Funny Games" see these two threads:

Funny Games 1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=991800&highlight=funny+games)

Funny Games US (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1043153)

[spyder696969]

Re "Funny Games" see these two threads:

Funny Games 1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=991800&highlight=funny+games)

Funny Games US (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1043153)

This movie should be getting much, much more press, as should Hard Candy. :confused:

It's funny...

Make a fairly average, been-there-done-that, cutesy flick that barely warms the heart and the world sings your praises.

OTOH, make a uniquely disturbing film that lingers inside the perpedicular spaces of the soul and the world barely makes a sound.

What stays with a person longer, Juno or Hard Candy? (Or even FG?)

[Aliens]

Watched this last night and agree with just about everyone here. Great performances by all - it had me squirming in my seat throughout. In part because of the subject matter and how it played on the moral issue and how it was handled in this movie, as well as the tension. Great little flick.

Now it’s on to Switzerland this afternoon for 7 days. Oh, life is so difficult. :D

[Airboss]

This movie should be getting much, much more press, as should Hard Candy. :confused:

It's funny...

Make a fairly average, been-there-done-that, cutesy flick that barely warms the heart and the world sings your praises.

OTOH, make a uniquely disturbing film that lingers inside the perpedicular spaces of the soul and the world barely makes a sound.

What stays with a person longer, Juno or Hard Candy? (Or even FG?)

Agree, I'd also add to the list of "What stays with a person longer...?" the very disturbing "Jack Ketchum's The Girl Next Door (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0830558/)" which is based upon actual events.

spyder, I guess you and I are the only ones who seem to appreciate FG, only a couple of post ref. said movie.

[spyder696969]

Agree, I'd also add to the list of "What stays with a person longer...?" the very disturbing "Jack Ketchum's The Girl Next Door (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0830558/)" which is based upon actual events.

spyder, I guess you and I are the only ones who seem to appreciate FG, only a couple of post ref. said movie.

Oh my...The Girl Next Door was brutal! :eek: The strange part is that with TGND it's the unthinkable events that happen ON camera that's profoundly disturbing, while nearly everything in Funny Games happens OFF camera, allowing the imagination to run rampant.

Sadly, I think most people are just looking for popcorn movies rather than something meaty and delicious. :(

[Airboss]

...., while nearly everything in Funny Games happens OFF camera, allowing the imagination to run rampant.

Very good point.

...., Sadly, I think most people are just looking for popcorn movies rather than something meaty and delicious. :(

Sad but true, another very good point.

[thedeskE]

Freeway is a MUCH better film, IMO.

Vote 3 - Little Red Riding Hood in Hell - Danny Elfman's score drives the nail nice and deep ;)

[JohnR_IN_LA]

My Walmart had lots of good 5 dollar movies in the bin (for once), including widescreen versions of Hard Candy in a nice case. As mentioned earlier, it upscales very well, and has excellent audio tracks.

I am just as impressed as the first time I saw this movie, its Ellen Page's best effort, she shows an impressive range of acting, as does Patrick Wilson!

[IrmoGamecoq]

Saw this last night on cable on-demand. Excellent flick and as others have said, it really plays with your loyalties quite a bit.

Got a question though, since there wasn't much discussion about the plot here:

We know that Ellen's character was "not what she seemed" but I really don't think she was actually 14 yo either. I say that because some posters were commenting on how hard it was to believe that her character was a young teenager based on her mannerisms and dialoge. Well, I don't think she was. I think she was an older kid that was just playing the part of the 14 yo, just as she was playing the part of "thonggrrrl" online. She was, like Buffy, an avenging angel. I'd like to know more about her backstory, and whether she actually knew the girl that was killed...or this is just what she "does."

Thought provoking flick with some definite squirmy moments.

[thehun]

Sad but true, another very good point.

Why is that sad? Not everyone is "entertained" by these type of movies despite the great craftsmanship by the filmmakers and actors, the subject matter may just prove to be too depressing or difficult to watch. Just because some people choose to spend their entertainment dollars differently then you, they shouldn't be ridiculed for that and assume that they simply have bad taste.

[Airboss]

Why is that sad? Not everyone is "entertained" by these type of movies despite the great craftsmanship by the filmmakers and actors, the subject matter may just prove to be too depressing or difficult to watch. Just because some people choose to spend their entertainment dollars differently then you, they shouldn't be ridiculed for that and assume that they simply have bad taste.

Not ridiculing anyone nor assuming that they have bad taste, please don't put words in my mouth.

I just find it sad that more "popcorn" movies are produced by Hollywood than thought provoking movies.

[Kal Rubinson]

Not ridiculing anyone nor assuming that they have bad taste, please don't put words in my mouth.

I just find it sad that more "popcorn" movies are produced by Hollywood than thought provoking movies.There are more people who like popcorn than there are those who want to think.

[Airboss]

There are more people who like popcorn than there are those who want to think.


You make an excellent point! :)

[Rammitinski]

The dumbing down of America. ;)

Seriously, it wasn't really that much better years ago (even though the movies were generally more "consistent" throughout - didn't have too many cooks spoiling the broth, which I think is the main problem with them nowadays), but I grew up when many more of the major motion pics were thought provoking, so it's just that much harder for someone like me to accept sometimes.

[oink]

There are more people who like popcorn than there are those who want to think.
Another sage observation by the Master of Audio...;):)

The dumbing down of America. ;)
I grew up when many more of the major motion pics were thought provoking, so it's just that much harder for someone like me to accept sometimes.
The sad truth...30 years of the Waste Land.

But things are looking up, it appears America has had enough...or at least, I hope beginning Nov. 5.

[Airboss]

But things are looking up, it appears America has had enough...or at least, I hope beginning Nov. 5.


I'm with you on that! ;)

[thehun]

Not ridiculing anyone nor assuming that they have bad taste, please don't put words in my mouth.

I just find it sad that more "popcorn" movies are produced by Hollywood than thought provoking movies.

Nice try, this is what you responded to:
Sadly, I think most people are just looking for popcorn movies rather than something meaty and delicious
with the line
Sad but true, another very good point.

This was clearly about what people seek as entertainment not what Hollywood has to offer.

[thehun]

Another sage observation by the Master of Audio...;):)


The sad truth...30 years of the Waste Land.

But things are looking up, it appears America has had enough...or at least, I hope beginning Nov. 5.

Why they're gonna cancel the Colbert Report? :D

[Airboss]

Nice try, this is what you responded to:

with the line

This was clearly about what people seek as entertainment not what Hollywood has to offer.

Geeez :rolleyes:

You were still putting words in my mouth. Show me in my post where the words "ridcule" or "bad taste" where used.

If you would like I will go into great detail explaining what I meant, but no where did you see me say anyone had bad taste. Also, how is spyder saying (and me agreeing with him) "it's sad that most people are just looking for popcorn movies" ridiculing anyone?

It is also true that Hollywood is not producing many thought provoking movies, unless perhaps you count "Balls of Fury" and the like as thought provoking.

[oink]

Why they're gonna cancel the Colbert Report? :D

Ha!:)
I tuned in tonite and apparently SC is trying give his support to Obama.
Needless to say, it very lukewarm...at best.:D

[thehun]

Geeez :rolleyes:

You were still putting words in my mouth. Show me in my post where the words "ridcule" or "bad taste" where used.

If you would like I will go into great detail explaining what I meant, but no where did you see me say anyone had bad taste. Also, how is spyder saying (and me agreeing with him) "it's sad that most people are just looking for popcorn movies" ridiculing anyone?

It is also true that Hollywood is not producing many thought provoking movies, unless perhaps you count "Balls of Fury" and the like as thought provoking.

Yes, please explain, but you're gonna have to do better then the last time and without the silly "smilies".

[Rutgar]

Umm... is this thread still about Hard Candy?

[IrmoGamecoq]

Umm... is this thread still about Hard Candy?

I think so, but I'm still wondering about the question I posted above in Spoiler text.

[Airboss]

Saw this last night on cable on-demand. Excellent flick and as others have said, it really plays with your loyalties quite a bit.

Got a question though, since there wasn't much discussion about the plot here:

We know that Ellen's character was "not what she seemed" but I really don't think she was actually 14 yo either. I say that because some posters were commenting on how hard it was to believe that her character was a young teenager based on her mannerisms and dialoge. Well, I don't think she was. I think she was an older kid that was just playing the part of the 14 yo, just as she was playing the part of "thonggrrrl" online. She was, like Buffy, an avenging angel. I'd like to know more about her backstory, and whether she actually knew the girl that was killed...or this is just what she "does."

Thought provoking flick with some definite squirmy moments.

I think so, but I'm still wondering about the question I posted above in Spoiler text.

Despite some possibly trying to derail the discussion from "Hard Candy" to nonsense, yes it is still about "Hard Candy:.

To answer your spoiler question see the following:

From the draft script (which you can read here (http://www.horrorlair.com/movies/scripts/hard-candy-script.pdf)):

HAYLEY STARR, bright-eyed, fresh-scrubbed. Her althletic, slender frame is all of fourteen years old, but there's an intelligence and a daring in her eyes that feels much older.

From IMDB: Plot - A mature 14-year old girl meets a charming 32-year old photographer on the Internet. Suspecting that he is a pedophile, she goes to his home in an attempt to expose him.

When they were filming the scene where Hayley implies that everything Jeff thinks he knows about her is a lie, Producers asked if they could include a line where she states that she was actually 18 years old rather than 14.

Since this line was not included and the script has her listed as only being 14 years old I would believe she was 14. Every article I've read concerning "Hard Candy" indicates she was a mature 14 year old girl.

Both cast and crew members have denied that the costume choices for the character of Hayley were intended as a reference to the children's story 'Little Red Riding Hood.'

From Wikipedia: The idea for Hard Candy came from a news story on 20/20 producer David W. Higgins saw about young Japanese girls who would lure older businessmen to a location with the promise of meaningful conversation and would assault and mug the men with a gang of other girls once the men arrived. This led him to wonder, "What if the person you expect to be the predator is not who you expect it to be? What if it's the other person?" He then hired writer Brian Nelson to flesh out the idea.

Also read the Wikipedia listing here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Candy_(film)), it's interesting.

[Airboss]

Yes, please explain, but you're gonna have to do better then the last time and without the silly "smilies".

Ssince my response is a little long I have placed it between spoiler tags (to save space and also to allow only those who do not want to read it to skip it.

First the full dialog involved:
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spyder696969 - If you liked Hard Candy because you love feeling overly disconcerted, try Funny Games.

Airboss - Re "Funny Games" see these two threads: Funny Games 1 - Funny Games US

spyder696969 – Quote:
Originally Posted by Airboss
Re "Funny Games" see these two threads:

Funny Games 1

Funny Games US

This movie should be getting much, much more press, as should Hard Candy.

It's funny...

Make a fairly average, been-there-done-that, cutesy flick that barely warms the heart and the world sings your praises.

OTOH, make a uniquely disturbing film that lingers inside the perpedicular spaces of the soul and the world barely makes a sound.

What stays with a person longer, Juno or Hard Candy? (Or even FG?)

Airboss - Agree, I'd also add to the list of "What stays with a person longer...?" the very disturbing "Jack Ketchum's The Girl Next Door" which is based upon actual events.

spyder, I guess you and I are the only ones who seem to appreciate FG, only a couple of post ref. said movie.

spyder696969 - Oh my...The Girl Next Door was brutal! The strange part is that with TGND it's the unthinkable events that happen ON camera that's profoundly disturbing, while nearly everything in Funny Games happens OFF camera, allowing the imagination to run rampant.

Sadly, I think most people are just looking for popcorn movies rather than something meaty and delicious.

Airboss - Quote:
Originally Posted by spyder696969
...., while nearly everything in Funny Games happens OFF camera, allowing the imagination to run rampant.
Very good point.
Quote:
Originally Posted by spyder696969
...., Sadly, I think most people are just looking for popcorn movies rather than something meaty and delicious.

Sad but true, another very good point.

thehun - Quote:
Originally Posted by Airboss
Sad but true, another very good point.

Why is that sad? Not everyone is "entertained" by these type of movies despite the great craftsmanship by the filmmakers and actors, the subject matter may just prove to be too depressing or difficult to watch. Just because some people choose to spend their entertainment dollars differently then you, they shouldn't be ridiculed for that and assume that they simply have bad taste.

Airboss - Not ridiculing anyone nor assuming that they have bad taste, please don't put words in my mouth.

I just find it sad that more "popcorn" movies are produced by Hollywood than thought provoking movies.

Kal Rubinson - Quote:
Originally Posted by Airboss
Not ridiculing anyone nor assuming that they have bad taste, please don't put words in my mouth.

I just find it sad that more "popcorn" movies are produced by Hollywood than thought provoking movies.

There are more people who like popcorn than there are those who want to think.

Airboss - Quote:
Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson
There are more people who like popcorn than there are those who want to think.
You make an excellent point!

thehun - Quote:
Originally Posted by Airboss
Not ridiculing anyone nor assuming that they have bad taste, please don't put words in my mouth.

I just find it sad that more "popcorn" movies are produced by Hollywood than thought provoking movies.

Nice try, this is what you responded to:
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Sadly, I think most people are just looking for popcorn movies rather than something meaty and delicious
with the line
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Sad but true, another very good point.

This was clearly about what people seek as entertainment not what Hollywood has to offer.

Airboss - Quote:
Originally Posted by thehun
Nice try, this is what you responded to:
with the line
This was clearly about what people seek as entertainment not what Hollywood has to offer.

Geeez

You were still putting words in my mouth. Show me in my post where the words "ridcule" or "bad taste" where used.

If you would like I will go into great detail explaining what I meant, but no where did you see me say anyone had bad taste. Also, how is spyder saying (and me agreeing with him) "it's sad that most people are just looking for popcorn movies" ridiculing anyone?

It is also true that Hollywood is not producing many thought provoking movies, unless perhaps you count "Balls of Fury" and the like as thought provoking.

thehun - Quote:
Originally Posted by Airboss
Geeez

You were still putting words in my mouth. Show me in my post where the words "ridcule" or "bad taste" where used.

If you would like I will go into great detail explaining what I meant, but no where did you see me say anyone had bad taste. Also, how is spyder saying (and me agreeing with him) "it's sad that most people are just looking for popcorn movies" ridiculing anyone?

It is also true that Hollywood is not producing many thought provoking movies, unless perhaps you count "Balls of Fury" and the like as thought provoking.

Yes, please explain, but you're gonna have to do better then the last time and without the silly "smilies".

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Response:

Above is the complete sequence of comments concerning the items in question. I ask you once again to show me where I used the words “ridicule” or stated anyone had “bad taste”. You cannot because I did not. You put those words in my mouth and owe me an apology for doing so.

spyder and I were talking about how a movie like “Funny Games” where the violence is off camera and one must think about and use your imagination as to ‘what is happening’.

spyder made the comment: “Sadly, I think most people are just looking for popcorn movies rather than something meaty and delicious.” and I replied “Sad but true, another very good point.”

My meaning was directed more toward Hollywood than an individual “I just find it sad that more "popcorn" movies are produced by Hollywood than thought provoking movies.” Which is a true statement. I feel if Hollywood would produce more thought provoking movies (which takes more effort/money on their part) you might find that more people would rather see “something meaty and delicious” rather than a popcorn movie.

Kal Rubinson stated “There are more people who like popcorn than there are those who want to think.”

and my reply to him was “You make an excellent point! ”

How is any of that ridiculing anyone or implying that others have bad taste. It is not! And what’s your problem with Smilies, do you have a phobia against them; there is nothing wrong adding a “Smilie”.

Obviously we have a difference of opinion (at least of interpretation as to what I have written). Since I wrote it I would think I am in a better position than you to explain what it meant. I have done so.

This still leaves the fact that you stated I said something which I did not say. I do not appreciate that and I’m sure you would not appreciate it if I did the same to you.

A simple apology would suffice and end the off topic discussion but it seems you have adapted the stance from “Thick as a Brick” of “I'll judge you all and make damn sure that no-one judges me.”

[thehun]

Airboss!

You just restated your already "lame excuse explanation" it didn't work at the first time so I'm not sure why you are bothering with this. Spyder were talking about the audience, not Hollywood, which you were agreeing with, simple is that. You came across as some kind of "elitist" on this, a type of person I have very little use for. There for there is no need to bloviate about this any longer.