I had a fellow forum member contact me about the compatability of John's and Moome's DVI cards for Sony. I'm aware that there's been a lot of discussion about this, but I'm not sure if they will work or not.

Any one know for sure?

If it has an IFB slot it will.

Dave

Some D50s definitely DON'T have IFB slots? That seems to be the debate. Does anyone have a photo of the back of a D50 that doesn't have IFB slots?

Same here - I'd like to pick up one of John's DVI cards for my D50 but I'm not sure what John meant when he asked if the pj had an IFB slot - John mentioned in his mail that it's where the IFB-40 is at. My D50 has two slots in the back - the one with the wide "A input" board and a narrower slot with the "B input" board. The "b input" board says "MKII" above it.

Thanks!

Check this post out: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8531218&&#post8531218

On the D50, if you want to add an IFB card, you must remove the IFB 40 card and use that slot. The latest D50's, called D50 HTU's didn't have IFB 40 cards, so you couldn't connect a switcher to them. Instead, they installed an IFB 12A card.

It's actually no different than on a G70, if you want to install an IFB 12A card you must remove the IFB 40 card and use that slot.

If I understand you correctly, both the older and newer version D50s have an IFB slot. The only difference is whether an IFB 40 or IFB-12 card is installed in that slot. Is that correct Bruce? Some people have stated that some D50s do not have an IFB slot period.

If I understand you correctly, both the older and newer version D50s have an IFB slot. The only difference is whether an IFB 40 or IFB-12 card is installed in that slot. Is that correct Bruce? Some people have stated that some D50s do not have an IFB slot period.

They ALL have an IFB slot, but if it's an HTU they installed an IFB-12A card but it has NO IFB-40 card.

So the answer is YES, the only difference is whether an IFB 40 or IFB-12 card is installed. :)

my locally D50Q have IFB2 slot, and 50HTU only have two RGBHV input

An IFB slot w/illd o it

my locally D50Q have IFB2 slot, and 50HTU only have two RGBHV input

If you remove the second RGBHV input on the HTU you have an IFB slot.

Bruce,

There's a lot of conflicting info floating around concerning the D50 and IFB slots. Two members on "John's DVI IFB card order list" cancelled their orders stating, "canceled due to no IFB slot in the HTU version" and "canceled due to no IFB slot in the HT version". The member that PM'd me says, "I called up SONY and asked a tech what type of boards the PJ have. He said they are QB boards not IFB."

Frankly, I find it unlikely that Sony would make that that big of change to an existing design. If the early D50s have an IBF slot(s), then I would think ALL D50s would have them. But, I've never even seen a D50, so what do I know.

Bruce,

There's a lot of conflicting info floating around concerning the D50 and IFB slots. Two members on "John's DVI IFB card order list" cancelled their orders stating, "canceled due to no IFB slot in the HTU version" and "canceled due to no IFB slot in the HT version". The member that PM'd me says, "I called up SONY and asked a tech what type of boards the PJ have. He said they are QB boards not IFB."

Frankly, I find it unlikely that Sony would make that that big of change to an existing design. If the early D50s have an IBF slot(s), then I would think ALL D50s would have them. But, I've never even seen a D50, so what do I know.

Although I've had very few D50-HTU projectors (I've had a lot of standard D50s), last year I had a brand new one I bought from a dealer in the midwest and the difference between that HTU and a standard D50 was that it was a much lighter gray or pearl like case and it had 2 RGBHV inputs, instead of the IFB-40 input. When I pulled out the SECOND RGBHV input, it was in a regular IFB slot, because the buyer wanted to use a PC-1221 switcher, so I replaced the RGBHV card with an IFB-40 card so he could connect the switcher.

Unless they made changes that I'm unaware of, it has the slot. :confused: I know that "some" D50s are marked "Mark II", but I've never had one of those.

If you have a 2nd RGB input that looks something like this (an IFB-12 card), you have an IFB slot:

http://www.dallas-music.com/Ebay/IFB-12-1.jpg

http://www.dallas-music.com/Ebay/IFB-12-2.jpg

If you have an input that looks like one of these (IFB-40), you have an IFB slot:

http://www.hickorytech.net/~bretto/ifb402.jpg

If you have a blank cover the size of the 2nd photo, there's probably an IFB slot behind it.

Someone needs to come up with a photo of the back of a D50 that DOESN'T have an IFB slot. Until then, I'm very skeptical that such a D50 exist. I think the problem is, some of you D50 owners are not clear on what an IFB slot is. You're missing out on getting a DVI card for nothing.

I have a Sony D50 HTM, with 2 RGB cards. The second, smaller card, I can pull out, but it is connected with wires and NOT the big white connector.

Will provide pictures to night. I have a Moome Card and cannot use it :mad:

Regards
Per
Denmark

I have a Sony D50 HTM, with 2 RGB cards. The second, smaller card, I can pull out, but it is connected with wires and NOT the big white connector.
Per is right Phil,

I had a french "CinetSon" forum member that ordered one of my IFB-DVI cards last year that couldn't use it because when he removed his second RGB input, he found the same situation. Since he can't pass on the first RGB input, he was not able to use his IFB-DVI card and ask for his money refund.

Here is a D50's back panel picture that show and IFB-40 card fitted inside a standard IFB slot size.

http://johnhwman.chez-alice.fr/Divers/D50-IFB40.jpg

John

Well heck. Sorry to hear that some D50 don't have IFB slots. That sucks!

Well heck. Sorry to hear that some D50 don't have IFB slots. That sucks!

That sure DOES SUCK!!! :(

Apparently Sony decided to save a few cents on some of the HTU's at some point and left out the IFB socket.

HOWEVER, that doesn't mean you can't use John's DVI card. If you're really serious about having the card on your projector and can handle a solderiing iron, you can always solder in an IFB socket to the existing wires they're using for the RGBHV card, OR , even just tack the wires on directly. :)

I have a Sony D50 HTM, with 2 RGB cards. The second, smaller card, I can pull out, but it is connected with wires and NOT the big white connector.

Will provide pictures to night. I have a Moome Card and cannot use it :mad:

Regards
Per
Denmark

You DO mean HTU and not HTM right? I've never seen an HTM designation.

Does your projector say "MK II" or Mark II"?

Per is right Phil,

I had a french "CinetSon" forum member that ordered one of my IFB-DVI cards last year that couldn't use it because when he removed his second RGB input, he found the same situation. Since he can't pass on the first RGB input, he was not able to use his IFB-DVI card and ask for his money refund.

Here is a D50's back panel picture that show and IFB-40 card fitted inside a standard IFB slot size.


John


John,

Just wondering, have you tried your card in the PC-1221 switcher? If it worked in there, then couldn't it be used as a universal DVI to RGBHV adapter, feeding the RGBHV out to any projector from the switcher?

The reason I ask is that I know you can't take an IFB-12A card in a PC-1221 and feed it a component signal and use it like a transcoder, because it's the projector handling the component signal.

Yes Bruce,

The IFB-DVI card fit the Sony 1270/1 switchers. Some of AVS Members ordered one of this card for that purpose. Since this card is delivering RGB H/V standard signal, there is no problem of transcoding signal (I know that YUV to RGB transcoder chip is inside PJ and not inside switcher Nor IFB-12 card).

John

Yes Bruce,

The IFB-DVI card fit the Sony 1270/1 switchers. Some of AVS Members ordered one of this card for that purpose. Since this card is delivering RGB H/V standard signal, there is no problem of transcoding signal (I know that YUV to RGB transcoder chip is inside PJ and not inside switcher Nor IFB-12 card).

John

That's great, it makes the card MUCH more versatile.....even if someone changed projectors. ;)

You DO mean HTU and not HTM right? I've never seen an HTM designation.

Does your projector say "MK II" or Mark II"?

Sorry for the long answer, techman707

It is a Sony VPH-D50HTM. Says so on the label. It has Serial nr. 20003** It do not say if it is mark I or II.

Here is the picture of IFB input card.

Sorry for the long answer, techman707

It is a Sony VPH-D50HTM. Says so on the label. It has Serial nr. 20003** It do not say if it is mark I or II.

Here is the picture of IFB input card.


I never saw an "HTM". :confused: Where are you. are you in the U.S.? If so, are you the original owner?

I assume it has the line doubler installed like on the HTU.

I live i Denmark.

It is supposed to be the only one sold from new in DK.
I am the second owner. It should have the original line doubler build in, according to the original owner. Though I have no idea on how to "turn it on" so to speak. I'm using a Yamakawa upscaling DVD or my HTPC, so realy no need for it. Is the line doubler any good?

I live i Denmark.

It is supposed to be the only one sold from new in DK.
I am the second owner. It should have the original line doubler build in, according to the original owner. Though I have no idea on how to "turn it on" so to speak. I'm using a Yamakawa upscaling DVD or my HTPC, so realy no need for it. Is the line doubler any good?


I figured it was from another country, because I've never seen an HTM here. :)

To turn on the line doubler, you go to the OPTION MENU, which is the last menu box and only appears when an option is installed. The entry is IDTV. Turn it ON and you can adjust the aperture for LOW, MED, and HIGH.

It happens to work very well on the D50. The list price of the doubler when the projector was new, if you didn;t get it in an HTU (or HTM if you have one), was $2995. ;)

It have the line doubler. Just checked it. I had seen the IDTV menu, but couldent figure out, what it was for.

Now I need to figure out how to get a DVI with HDCP input for it. Only option seems the Moome ext. dvi-rgbhv box.

Thanks
Per

It have the line doubler. Just checked it. I had seen the IDTV menu, but couldent figure out, what it was for.

Now I need to figure out how to get a DVI with HDCP input for it. Only option seems the Moome ext. dvi-rgbhv box.

Thanks
Per

Yes,, you can use the Moome external box, or, of you can get a Sony PC-1271 switcher, John said his card will work in that. That would be like having an external box AND a switcher. You don't have to use the 14 pin cable, you can use the 5 BNC connectors with ANY projector. ;)

I have enquired Curt for one of his 1270. Thinking it might be more exspensive to ship it to denmark than the cost of the switcher itself.

What is the difference of the 1270 and 1271?

I have enquired Curt for one of his 1270. Thinking it might be more exspensive to ship it to denmark than the cost of the switcher itself.

What is the difference of the 1270 and 1271?

I've only used PC-1271's myself, but if I recall, there is an important difference between the two, but I just can't remember what it is. :confused:

You should check with John, maybe he knows, since I specifically asked him abount the PC-1271, which he said worked with his card. :)

techman707,
Can you please tell me what the MKII is?
How does it differ from the plain D50?

techman707,
Can you please tell me what the MKII is?
How does it differ from the plain D50?======================= I've only seen a couple of them and they appeared identical to the D-50HTU, so it might be like the D-50HTM and made for sale in another country. :)

I have just recieved a Sony d50htu MKII. I have been looking at how to get the HDMI source into it and I can definately say that it does not have the IFB slot. It has a QB slot. I guess I will be picking up a pc-1271 switcher to get the Blue-Ray and the HD-DVD into the projector. I am typing this to help anyone in the future who has any questions about this CRT.

I've only used PC-1271's myself, but if I recall, there is an important difference between the two, but I just can't remember what it is. :confused:



The pc-1270M has a 25W powersupply and you can't use an ifb-3000 line doubler in it because of that.
8 normal ifb cards will work in it.
A pc-1271M has a 45W powersupply and is able to drive what ever cards you put in it ;)
I was lucky when I bought an US pc-1271 on 115V, inside on the powersupply board is a jumper for 240V use :cool:

André

techman707,

So do all regular D50's have the IFB slot for Moome's input card? And does this apply to the projector I purchased from you?

I've been wondering about upgrading to a DVI input on my VPH D50HTU .
Can someone tell me if the quality difference of a DVI input is worth the extra money ?
Will I really notice a visable difference in HD ?...thanx Brent /Vancouver

With my D50 I ran it at 1080i via component for most of my HD viewing and it looked great. I got a Moome card because I planned to upgrade to a G90 and wanted to have an HDMI 1080p input. Comparing the moome to component at 1080i on the D50 did show improvement with the gamma on the moome card, but I wouldnt say it was head and shoulders better than the standard component input.

I've been wondering about upgrading to a DVI input on my VPH D50HTU .
Can someone tell me if the quality difference of a DVI input is worth the extra money ?
Will I really notice a visable difference in HD ?...thanx Brent /Vancouver

Well, quality difference CAN be subjective and can also very from system to system. The short answer is this though....most people around here with CRT FP,s get the DVI cards to further future proof their PJ. Some HD material can only be viewed at "full resolution" using either HDMI/DVI. Installing one of the DVI cards will allow the viewing of these HD encypted signals in full HD glory and not down converted if using RGBHV/component.

If one happens to receive a "better" image from one of these cards in their system, well...that's just a bonus. :D Again, keeping it short, the equipment that is sending you your source material might just have a better DVI/HDMI input/output then it's component input/output. Thus giving you a better picture running digital. That's why I say it really comes down to ones system due to this, and other variables.