Guys and Gals,

Now that I know that my second G90 is on its way and provided she doesn't show up damaged, Tim kindly offered up his Blendzilla solution for us to check out!

The closing date on my home is November 22nd, and was looking at Saturday December 9th to demo the Blendzilla for all to see!

Of course my new house will be in disarray because of the family and I just moving in so I'm going to consider it a PRE theater construction meet.

All who are interested please chime in and we'll keep tabs on the amount of attendee's. My new home is located in St. John, Indiana, and there are plenty of nice hotels just north if your looking to make a night of the meet.

I'm considering making my screen out of SMX accoustical material and will probably be projecting the stack/blend on a 10-11ft wide screen.

Let me know what you think!! :D

Cliff

Very nice!!!

How I would LOVE to be there!!! :mad:

Try 13ft wide in 2.35:1 and let me know what you think!

-Andres

hmmm, sure sounds like someone is trying to knock Art off his throne? :D

im starting to feel the pain already

hmmm, sure sounds like someone is trying to knock Art off his throne? :D

Yea ,and I hadn't even finished wiping ! :mad: :D Cliff, lets see if we can get Stewart to loan us the appropiate screen. I think 11' to 12' wide would be right don't you think ?

Art

Very nice!!!

How I would LOVE to be there!!! :mad:

Try 13ft wide in 2.35:1 and let me know what you think!

-Andres

I'd really like to do that, but since I wont be doing that aspect when my theater is done, I dont want to "hook" myself on that format considering all I do by wowing myself! :)

Cliff

hmmm, sure sounds like someone is trying to knock Art off his throne? :D

Absolutely not.

If it wasn't for Art, I wouldn't have done this. ;) :D


Cliffy

Yea ,and I hadn't even finished wiping ! :mad: :D Cliff, lets see if we can get Stewart to loan us the appropiate screen. I think 11' to 12' wide would be right don't you think ?

Art

That would be awesome big dog. How do I go about?????

Have you seen the SMX material? I emailed sandman today and asked for a sample.

Cliff

That would be awesome big dog. How do I go about?????

Have you seen the SMX material? I emailed sandman today and asked for a sample.

Cliff

Well since this is between CEDIA and CES perhaps they have something we can get.I'll see what I can do. Only a couple of contacts. The only new Steawrt I know of is the 1.3 without grain that Joe Kane discussed at CEDIA

Art

I'd love to come see it. Will be slick to see how this compares to Art's stack.

Put me down for a confirmed! My buddy and I would love to make the trip. Besides, it'll be nice to meet you in person. After all, you are one of my "video-dorks" as my wife calls all of us! :) It's funny that she never shy's away from boasting (every chance she gets) about the DIY theater that her "main video-dork" has put together. And now that I think of it, it's also funny that that is ALL she boasts about her "main video-dork". I guess I need to get back to the push ups and sit ups!


Mike

Congratulations on new house and a great housewarming party to get things started :)

Are you basically doing an in-home audition of Blendzilla? Or do you plan on stacking your G90s instead? I'm sure either way, you can't go wrong...

I've seen the Blendzilla unit in person, and it's got video-geek written all over it ;)

- Steve O.

Well since this is between CEDIA and CES perhaps they have something we can get.I'll see what I can do. Only a couple of contacts. The only new Steawrt I know of is the 1.3 without grain that Joe Kane discussed at CEDIA

Art

Excellent my friend. Your help is El-Mucho-Appreciated! :D

Cliffy

Put me down for a confirmed! My buddy and I would love to make the trip. Besides, it'll be nice to meet you in person. After all, you are one of my "video-dorks" as my wife calls all of us! :) It's funny that she never shy's away from boasting (every chance she gets) about the DIY theater that her "main video-dork" has put together. And now that I think of it, it's also funny that that is ALL she boasts about her "main video-dork". I guess I need to get back to the push ups and sit ups!


Mike

Exercise??? What's that? :D ;) :D ;)

Looking foward to you coming up Mike.

Cliff

Congratulations on new house and a great housewarming party to get things started :)

Are you basically doing an in-home audition of Blendzilla? Or do you plan on stacking your G90s instead? I'm sure either way, you can't go wrong...

I've seen the Blendzilla unit in person, and it's got video-geek written all over it ;)

- Steve O.

Thanks much Steve,

I'm going to be doing an in-home audition of the Zilla albeit it will take place in my unfinished basement, but, I will make sure the light control is of the utmost importance.

After the meet, construction will begin.....

Cliff

This sounds so much like my stack test at the local hotel conference room in January 2004 for me. It worked on Sunday I called the builder to demolish my old theater on Monday. It has been almost three years. I remember telling Ken as we were getting things together that this was perhaps the most exciting time of my life. I was going to get my dream theater that I had wanted for twenty five years ! I bet you must feel the same Cliff.

I'll see about a "Videodork" T Shirt for the event. :D

Art

This sounds so much like my stack test at the local hotel conference room in January 2004 for me. It worked on Sunday I called the builder to demolish my old theater on Monday. It has been almost three years. I remember telling Ken as we were getting things together that this was perhaps the most exciting time of my life. I was going to get my dream theater that I had wanted for twenty five years ! I bet you must feel the same Cliff.

I'll see about a "Videodork" T Shirt for the event. :D

Art

Art,

With all of the crap I've been dealing with this year it's been really difficult for me to be in a REALLY good mood. I'm hoping that improves dramatically soon...... :)

I am EXTREMELY excited about what I am going to have and cannot believe it's actually happening. You know how I felt day one of my visit to your place. My Jaw went through the floor of your theater and ended up in the bathroom on the first floor!

I've been ADDICTED ever since. :D

Not to mention, I made a kick ass friend to boot! :cool:

Cliffy

Of course, I'll be there to tweak the twins.


Ken Whitcomb

Of course, I'll be there to tweak the twins.


Ken Whitcomb

Um..... Gwedo was going to be visiting you if you told me you weren't. :D ;) :D ;)

Cliffy

Um..... Gwedo was going to be visiting you if you told me you weren't. :D ;) :D ;)

Cliffy

You know my uncle?

I would love to come see your NEW STUFF.

Walt

You know my uncle?

I would love to come see your NEW STUFF.

Walt

Looking foward to your visit Walt.

I was talking to Arli and we are going to at least try to have the theater framed out. It's gonna be a rough time trying to get it done, but I think we can get it accomplished.........

Cliff

Hi Cliff,

I'm new on this block, but I would suggest that if you have ANY regard for your wallet - don't see the BlendZilla. You know how it is, you get a HT idea in your head and the next minute you're massaging the finances to make room for the next "tweak." You're going to end up like Rip Van Winkle, wandering around Chicago with images of the BlendZilla playing on a loop in your head.

Seriously, though, when you take the Zilla for a spin, do try a 2.35 blend, for all of the reasons that Nick has stated. I went with a 120" wide 1.78 screen, because it fit my overall space, but if you're dedicating a room as an HT there is no reason not to go 2.35. There are some compelling bandwidth reasons, as well.

So everyone's running their G90s at 1080p60, and damn happy with the sharpness of the image, right? Because 1080p72 loses a little bit of sharpness?

For bandwidth, that's the difference between about 2200 (1920 plus a few for porches) by 1125 (1080 plus a few) by 60 or 72. So that's the difference between 148.5mhz (@60) and 178.2mhz (@72). Or put this way:

2200 x 1125 x 60 = 148.5mhz
2200 x 1125 x 72 = 178.2mhz

From what Clarence, Art and other G90 owners have indicated, the G90 starts to roll off the high frequency detail somewhere inbetween these two points in an unacceptable manner. Unacceptable might be too strong a word, though, so we'll just say that inbetween those two scan rates 3:2 judder becomes more acceptable than the high frequency roll-off / loss of sharpness.

With the Zilla, you could run 1440x1080p72 per projector on a ginormous 2.35 screen. That still gives you the ~4x3 aspect to fit the face of the tube, and a 2880 pixel wide unblended image-space to work with. At 1440x1080 in 2.35, the blending situation looks like this:

1080 x 2.35 = 2538 pixels, with no vertical scaling.
2880 - 2538 = 342 pixels for the blend zone.
342 / 2880 = ~12% overlap, which Tim has suggested is sufficient for the blend zone.

At 1440x1080x72hz, and assuming the same porches as the 1920x1080 scenario, the bandwith equation looks like this:

(1440+280) x 1125 x 72 = 138.3mhz.

So you're still coming in under the 148.5mhz point that most everyone else finds perfectly workable with the G90. Sports and HDTV in 1.78 stil runs in the unscaled 1920x1080 portion of the middle of the screen, but you gain the massive 2.35 presentation, and the screen masking would be easier to boot. I don't know if the Zilla can do this, but I can't imagine that Antorsae would have gone down this road if it wasn't feasable.

But I'm not sure if the Zilla does 1440x1080; Tim indicated that an update was in the works for 1080P. For now, I imagine that it works with PC resolutions and jumps from 1280x1024 to 1600x1200 per projector. At 60hz and 72hz for vertical refresh, this works out to a bandwidth (using the above assumptions) of:

(1600 + 280) x (1200 + 45) x 60 = 140.4mhz
(1600 + 280) x (1200 + 45) x 72 = 168.5mhz

I suppose you'd have to actually take a look and see if the added resolution at 1200p72 would be worth the softening versus the downscaling at 1024p72. This all assumes you give a hoot about these nits, but for 18K I sure wouldn't want to see either softening or judder in my picture.

One way or the other, really, you can't lose. Blend, stack, whatever. I would think the last word, and the one that would set your theater apart, would be the Zilla. With 2 G90s, I think it would be years before any digital comes along, at a comparable price, that would unseat your setup from the top of the HT pile.

Sorry for the unsolicited advice; I'm just vicariously thrilled to hear about what comes of this meet.

Um..... Gwedo was going to be visiting you if you told me you weren't. :D ;) :D ;)

Cliffy

"Gwedo?" Wasn't that the bounty hunter that caught Han Solo? :D
'Gwedo'... sheesh! Spelling like that woulda got me a smack, I tell ya! Despite being an outward harp, I've got guido blood... mom's maiden name is 'DiLoreto.'

:p

How far south of 80/94 is St. John (drive time wise?)

Hi Cliff,

I'm new on this block, but I would suggest that if you have ANY regard for your wallet - don't see the BlendZilla. You know how it is, you get a HT idea in your head and the next minute you're massaging the finances to make room for the next "tweak." You're going to end up like Rip Van Winkle, wandering around Chicago with images of the BlendZilla playing on a loop in your head.

Seriously, though, when you take the Zilla for a spin, do try a 2.35 blend, for all of the reasons that Nick has stated. I went with a 120" wide 1.78 screen, because it fit my overall space, but if you're dedicating a room as an HT there is no reason not to go 2.35. There are some compelling bandwidth reasons, as well.

So everyone's running their G90s at 1080p60, and damn happy with the sharpness of the image, right? Because 1080p72 loses a little bit of sharpness?

For bandwidth, that's the difference between about 2200 (1920 plus a few for porches) by 1125 (1080 plus a few) by 60 or 72. So that's the difference between 148.5mhz (@60) and 178.2mhz (@72). Or put this way:

2200 x 1125 x 60 = 148.5mhz
2200 x 1125 x 72 = 178.2mhz

From what Clarence, Art and other G90 owners have indicated, the G90 starts to roll off the high frequency detail somewhere inbetween these two points in an unacceptable manner. Unacceptable might be too strong a word, though, so we'll just say that inbetween those two scan rates 3:2 judder becomes more acceptable than the high frequency roll-off / loss of sharpness.

With the Zilla, you could run 1440x1080p72 per projector on a ginormous 2.35 screen. That still gives you the ~4x3 aspect to fit the face of the tube, and a 2880 pixel wide unblended image-space to work with. At 1440x1080 in 2.35, the blending situation looks like this:

1080 x 2.35 = 2538 pixels, with no vertical scaling.
2880 - 2538 = 342 pixels for the blend zone.
342 / 2880 = ~12% overlap, which Tim has suggested is sufficient for the blend zone.

At 1440x1080x72hz, and assuming the same porches as the 1920x1080 scenario, the bandwith equation looks like this:

(1440+280) x 1125 x 72 = 138.3mhz.

So you're still coming in under the 148.5mhz point that most everyone else finds perfectly workable with the G90. Sports and HDTV in 1.78 stil runs in the unscaled 1920x1080 portion of the middle of the screen, but you gain the massive 2.35 presentation, and the screen masking would be easier to boot. I don't know if the Zilla can do this, but I can't imagine that Antorsae would have gone down this road if it wasn't feasable.

But I'm not sure if the Zilla does 1440x1080; Tim indicated that an update was in the works for 1080P. For now, I imagine that it works with PC resolutions and jumps from 1280x1024 to 1600x1200 per projector. At 60hz and 72hz for vertical refresh, this works out to a bandwidth (using the above assumptions) of:

(1600 + 280) x (1200 + 45) x 60 = 140.4mhz
(1600 + 280) x (1200 + 45) x 72 = 168.5mhz

I suppose you'd have to actually take a look and see if the added resolution at 1200p72 would be worth the softening versus the downscaling at 1024p72. This all assumes you give a hoot about these nits, but for 18K I sure wouldn't want to see either softening or judder in my picture.

One way or the other, really, you can't lose. Blend, stack, whatever. I would think the last word, and the one that would set your theater apart, would be the Zilla. With 2 G90s, I think it would be years before any digital comes along, at a comparable price, that would unseat your setup from the top of the HT pile.

Sorry for the unsolicited advice; I'm just vicariously thrilled to hear about what comes of this meet.

Excellent post !Lots of great information there.

Art

One way or the other, really, you can't lose. Blend, stack, whatever. I would think the last word, and the one that would set your theater apart, would be the Zilla. With 2 G90s, I think it would be years before any digital comes along, at a comparable price, that would unseat your setup from the top of the HT pile.

Sorry for the unsolicited advice; I'm just vicariously thrilled to hear about what comes of this meet.

Yes, I agree with Art, Great Post!!!! :D

Thanks much for the info. I do however do MUCH more than just 2:35 movies and my room will be roughly 14ft wide hence my extreme wants for good ol' 16:9.

Maybe if they came out with a 2:35:1 ratio XBOX 360, I'd be game! :cool:

My hopes for the meet will be both projectors mounted to a temp location on the ceiling projecting 1600X1200 4:3. That is gonna be one SHARP picture!

.....and yes, I agree, if it's THAT good, I'm gonna probably be selling drugs on the corner to try and finance it. :p :D :p ;)

Cliff

"Gwedo?" Wasn't that the bounty hunter that caught Han Solo? :D
'Gwedo'... sheesh! Spelling like that woulda got me a smack, I tell ya! Despite being an outward harp, I've got guido blood... mom's maiden name is 'DiLoreto.'

:p

How far south of 80/94 is St. John (drive time wise?)

Damn that AVS spell check!!!!!!!! :D ;) :D ;)

My new crib is roughly 20-30 minutes at the MOST from Indianapolis Blvd and 80/94.

Cliff

.....and yes, I agree, if it's THAT good, I'm gonna probably be selling drugs on the corner to try and finance it. :p :D :p ;)

Cliff

Cliff,
I'd never recommend anything against the law but I hope you're prepared to hit the streets ! :D

Art

Speaking of drugs...
Be prepared to share whatever you've been smokin, thinking that you'll be able to hang TWO G90s two weeks after moving in to a new house, with Thanks Giving in the way.

I don't know about your wife, but all the women I've ever known would quickly point out that PMS has precedent as "justifiable homicide / temporary insanity!" :D

I may try to invent some pretext of visiting Detroit and swinging down there with an audiophile buddy of mine... Don't count me as a "confirmed" tho.

Count me in. If you need some equipment moving or lifting help, let me know.

MIKE

Mike ,
If getting something to the ceiling is the task, I pick you to be on my team ! :) To control G90s to a ceiiling mount realistically requires five guys but only for about 30 seconds.

Art

I would certainly stick with the SmX Screen, the Stewart will set you back thousands and thousands you can put elsewhere. Hundreds of folks have them now and I am doing a 14' 2.35:1 replacing a Stewart StudioTek 130 (non Perf). The SmX looks sizzling next to the Stewart. Alan Gouger now owns a SmX screen and has tried the Stewarts and Vutecs and all the other over priced perf screens. Check out his review here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8502024#post8502024

I am sure Ruben will send you a big chunk of this screen material to show at your meet, it will introduce what may be the finest AT screen available for CRTs ( or any PJ for that matter) at a pricepoint anyone can handle, SmX has Masking solutions and framing in the works, PM me if you want his contact info

I would certainly stick with the SmX Screen, the Stewart will set you back thousands and thousands you can put elsewhere. Hundreds of folks have them now and I am doing a 14' 2.35:1 replacing a Stewart StudioTek 130 (non Perf). The SmX looks sizzling next to the Stewart. Alan Gouger now owns a SmX screen and has tried the Stewarts and Vutecs and all the other over priced perf screens. Check out his review here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8502024#post8502024

I am sure Ruben will send you a big chunk of this screen material to show at your meet, it will introduce what may be the finest AT screen available for CRTs ( or any PJ for that matter) at a pricepoint anyone can handle, SmX has Masking solutions and framing in the works, PM me if you want his contact info

Mark,

Yep. I made my way through that incredibly LONG and FUN filled thread today and as well PM'd Alan about the choice to go with SMX. I think I'm going to go that route.

Not to mention as well, 30 day money back guarantee if I don't like it!

Cliff

Cliff,
I'd never recommend anything against the law but I hope you're prepared to hit the streets ! :D

Art

Yep. I can see it now......

Maybe my wife can wiggle her ass around too to help raise some dough!!! :)

Cliff

Count me in. If you need some equipment moving or lifting help, let me know.

MIKE

You got it Mike. I just might take you up on that! :D

Cliff

You can count me in... I would really like to see this Blendzilla... :)

I have no idea if it would be needed, but I could bring my JohnHWman engineered DVI card if you want. Just let me know if it is needed.


Mike

You can count me in... I would really like to see this Blendzilla... :)

You got it William! It's gonna be time to start tallying soon. :)

Cliff

checked out cliffs basement today. boy i got some work to do. nice house though.. working on plans now for this room. damn ac ducts its like you always have to move something.

Saw, hammer, screwgun, bigger hammer, swearing, band-aid. beer. Not always in that order...

checked out cliffs basement today. boy i got some work to do. nice house though.. working on plans now for this room. damn ac ducts its like you always have to move something.

Dude, just so you know, you are BEYOND, WAY BEYOND the meaning of a true friend. Everything you have done for me is priceless.......

Is this thing going to be a Mini Imax in the end result or what????

I AM SO DAMN EXCITED RIGHT NOW!!!!! :D :D :D :D

I haven't stopped thinking about it since I left today. ;) :cool: ;) :cool:

Cliffy

Here is the list so far:

Art Sonneborn
Ken Whitcomb
Bomrat
siropa
Mike (dochlywd)
Walt (aspec2)
Mike (skylooker1)
William Seaward
Possibly John Gannon and Gang, and FO SHO,
My Hottie Wife......

Who's next?????? :D

Cliff

Whos next?

oooh, me, me me..pick me!


Cliff, yours was the first properly setup CRT I ever saw. It's been downhill ever since :D. I'm off work Monday and Tuesday that week. I can move those days to Thurdsday and Friday to give me plenty of time to get up there for this meet. I'll let you know.

Cliff I'd be honored to attend, I passed on stacking for now but maybe this will push me over the edge :-) as I said never say never I might still go that way once the room is done.

oooh, me, me me..pick me!


Cliff, yours was the first properly setup CRT I ever saw. It's been downhill ever since :D. I'm off work Monday and Tuesday that week. I can move those days to Thurdsday and Friday to give me plenty of time to get up there for this meet. I'll let you know.

ONLY and I mean ONLY if you promise to have Cocktail or two with me! :)

Just kidding. :D

I would be more than honored if you would take the time to come James. :D

Cliff

Cliff I'd be honored to attend, I passed on stacking for now but maybe this will push me over the edge :-) as I said never say never I might still go that way once the room is done.

You are now officially FOR WARNED Don.

Guys, this will be the BEES KNEES FO SHO. :D :D :D :D

Cliff

My motive for coming to the meet has just changed. After seeing the list above......

Screw the blend! I'm coming to see the hottie wife!

:D :D :D

Mike

ONLY and I mean ONLY if you promise to have Cocktail or two with me! :)

Just kidding. :D

I would be more than honored if you would take the time to come James. :D

Cliff

I'll have a rum and coke...without the rum:D.

Cliff
I would like to see Blendzilla.

Blaine (Raster II)

You got it Blaine.

Maybe we can finally watch a bit of the Bikini Destinations DVHS. :^)

Cliff

I think it's about time for another visit...

Count me in!

I have miles to burn, but I might try to thumb a ride from O'Hare if any of you guys are heading from that direction.

I think it's about time for another visit...

Count me in!

I have miles to burn, but I might try to thumb a ride from O'Hare if any of you guys are heading from that direction.

OH HELL YEAH!!! :D ;) :D ;)

You won't be thumbing a damn thing big dog......... ;)

I'm sitting here watching the Bears on my Mits....

WE ARE going to the Superbowl this year. :)

Al though I do wish you were coming to the finished product, I am thrilled that you are coming.

Can't wait!!!! :cool:

Cliff

Will Tim be there to help setup BlendZilla?

Just curious what gain you will be using... I want to see if Blending really is limited to 1.0 or if 1.3 could be used.

Gino,
Where did you get the information that 1.3 shouldn't be used for blending ?

Gino,
Where did you get the information that 1.3 shouldn't be used for blending ?


It is generally accepted in the industry, 1.0 works best.

It is generally accepted in the industry, 1.0 works best.

For blending specifically ?

Art

For blending specifically ?

Art


That is exactly what some more experienced people told me; higher gains make the blend zone harder to conceal. My 107" wide Luxus Deluxe is 1.0 Snowmatte.

That is exactly what some more experienced people told me; higher gains make the blend zone harder to conceal. My 107" wide Luxus Deluxe is 1.0 Snowmatte.


Great ! Thanks Tim. :)

Art

Gino,
Where did you get the information that 1.3 shouldn't be used for blending ?

Art, I was speaking with Mark Robinson, director of manufacturing for Stewart. He says that Snomatte 1.0 is the most appropriate fabric for blending.

Anything with higher gain, will give away the blend in intensity, if you move a few degrees off axis. Color shift, due to the short throw and varying proximity of the individual tubes, also mandates the snomatte. Any screen that would improve the blend, would necessarily be rear projection fabric, and well below unity gain. I frankly do not see a way to improve on Snomatte. Also stay clear of curved screens.

I CANT WAIT!!! I AM SO EXCITED!! :^)

Cliffy

Art, I was speaking with Mark Robinson, director of manufacturing for Stewart. He says that Snomatte 1.0 is the most appropriate fabric for blending.

Anything with higher gain, will give away the blend in intensity, if you move a few degrees off axis. Color shift, due to the short throw and varying proximity of the individual tubes, also mandates the snomatte. Any screen that would improve the blend, would necessarily be rear projection fabric, and well below unity gain. I frankly do not see a way to improve on Snomatte. Also stay clear of curved screens.

Got it ! :)

Art

Got it ! :)

Art

Hmmmm..... something in the works Art????? :D

Cliffy

I was just trying to make sure I had my blended 12' wide screen done before your demo in December. I wasn't sure about the screen material however.




























































Just kdding , I was just indicating my understanding.

I was just trying to make sure I had my blended 12' wide screen done before your demo in December. I wasn't sure about the screen material however.

Just kdding , I was just indicating my understanding.

I'm looking foward to your opinion after it's all said and done and hopefully, it will be on that 12ft screen you are envisioning. :D ;)

Cliff

Hi,

With regards to screen gain and blending, I think the issue is more off-axis response rather than unity gain. It just so happens that the high-gain screens tend to exhibit steep gain curves on-axis but go down very quickly off-axis, which is bad when you throw light from two different projectors at different indicent angles.

Take a look at the off-axis gain of this screen:

http://www.mdicinema.com/images/products/graph_northview10.gif

It's almost constant!

Either I am a very forward-looking or just plain lucky as the above is my existing 160" wide screen! :cool:

Regards!

Wow! 160" wide???

You sir ARE TRULY addicted! :^)

Cliff

Wow! 160" wide???

You sir ARE TRULY addicted! :^)

Cliff

I know, I know, but... look who's talking... the organizer of the G90 blend rig showoff... posting at like 5:00AM your time ??? :) :eek:

I know, I know, but... look who's talking... the organizer of the G90 blend rig showoff... posting at like 5:00AM your time ??? :) :eek:

LOL. I'm on the road working and always have a hard time sleeping in hotels. At 4AM, the eyes were open...... :mad:

I'm killing the time reading the HT construction threads......

Great stuff in there!!!

Cliffy

Updated list guys:

Art Sonneborn
Ken Whitcomb
Bomrat
siropa
Mike (dochlywd)
Walt (aspec2)
Mike (skylooker1)
William Seaward
James McClellan
Don Kellog
yborstrip
Clarence
Casey Mershon
and FO SHO, My Hottie Wife......

Does anybody have a recommendation for CHEAP blackout cloth??

Cliff

Ask your Hottie Wife to watch for the 40% off coupons at Jo-Ann. I think my 48x87 screen cost me about $12 for BO.

But if you need monster-sized BO for your mega-screen, check out Rose Brand (http://www.rosebrand.com/A_Com/showdetl.cfm?&DID=6&Product_ID=3060&CatID=1&ObjectGroup_ID=134#) -- 110" wide, $15/yd.

Ask your Hottie Wife to watch for the 40% off coupons at Jo-Ann. I think my 48x87 screen cost me about $12 for BO.

But if you need monster-sized BO for your mega-screen, check out Rose Brand (http://www.rosebrand.com/A_Com/showdetl.cfm?&DID=6&Product_ID=3060&CatID=1&ObjectGroup_ID=134#) -- 110" wide, $15/yd.

Actually Gary, what I'm looking for is black cloth that I can surround the area with from ceiling to floor for complete light control.

Thanks for the tip on the Jo-Ann fabrics coupons.

Cliff

I pick up black velvet on ebay all the time. Pretty cheap there. You can get polyester velvetine type and the all cotton type. I went with the heavy furniture grade cotton, man is this stuff heavy and really black!
But, this type was not cheap!!

I pick up black velvet on ebay all the time. Pretty cheap there. You can get polyester velvetine type and the all cotton type. I went with the heavy furniture grade cotton, man is this stuff heavy and really black!
But, this type was not cheap!!

Found some thanks!!! It was CHEAP!!! :D

Just what I was looking for as it will probably go in the garbage after the meet!

Cliff

Guys!


Those tuning in late may not be familiar with edge blending; our DVX processor permits us to switch, transcode, scale, and deinterlace up to eight signal sources, then render two "halves" of these images with soft edge overlap for one huge seamless image that uses the most possible phosphor of the tubes of two CRT projectors; resulting in a big crisp display of 1.78 and 2.35 sources:


left sixty percent

http://i12.tinypic.com/48pwjt3.jpg


right sixty percent

http://i12.tinypic.com/2dka5gh.jpg


and if it is aligned well we get this

http://i12.tinypic.com/29w3988.jpg


And this is the system that Cliff will be demoing.

To cool.......

Can't wait.........

Cliffy

Drool...

Tim... instead of the a boring wheather screenshot to showoff the Zilla you might as well post some more tempting one :D :D :D

Tim... instead of the a boring wheather screenshot to showoff the Zilla you might as well post some more tempting one :D :D :D

Don't worry big dog, I'll take care of that at the meet. ;) :D

Cliff

Cliff... do you mind taking a picture of an all white screen, and also a horizontal grey scale (test pattern included in the DVX) ... I'd like to see how well you get the blend... cheers!

Will do Gino. I'm sure Clarence and I both will be taking LOT's of screenshots...... :^)

Cliff

Gotta throw this one in........

Any digital owners out there want to compare this setup????

Boy would I love to see a comparison.........

Cliff

jr.high there in st. john.

cant make the meet as im out in northern california now but i will be sooo close right before xmas.

gah!!!

i fly into ohare and then pick-up my dad in hobart and then drive to indianapolis to meet with my wife and kids at her parents house.

so close and yet so far.

Tim:

Is it required that both G90's have new tubes for the blend, or can thier be different hours on the tubes?

Tim:

Is it required that both G90's have new tubes for the blend, or can thier be different hours on the tubes?


Guys!

I have Marquees, one with 2000 hour tubes and the other with 6000 hr tubes, and aside from all white scenes one cannot see a difference.

Updated list guys:

Art Sonneborn
Ken Whitcomb
Bomrat
siropa
Mike (dochlywd)
Walt (aspec2)
Mike (skylooker1)
William Seaward
James McClellan
Don Kellog
yborstrip
Clarence
Casey Mershon
and FO SHO, My Hottie Wife......

Does anybody have a recommendation for CHEAP blackout cloth??

Cliff


Anybody else want to sign on board here? Should be huge!

What is the Date has it been set? and that's KELLOGG :) frost flakes haha

Don should be enough... :) Cliff ,I just want you to know that as of now Angela will be coming with me to your place.

Art

Don should be enough... :) Cliff ,I just want you to know that as of now Angela will be coming with me to your place.

Art

Sweet big dog. :D

If your staying at a hotel, you want the Hampton Inn in Munster. I will check and see if there is something closer to me.

List updated:

Art Sonneborn and his Hottie Wife, I mean, Angela :D :D
Ken Whitcomb
Bomrat
siropa
Mike (dochlywd)
Walt (aspec2)
Mike (skylooker1)
William Seaward
James McClellan
Don KELLOGG :)
yborstrip
Clarence
Casey Mershon
and FO SHO, My Hottie Wife......

Cliffy

Guys!

How about the playoff game huh?

The glow on the walls is fluorescent lights from the kitchen, forty feet away, one does not need a pitch black room for this on a 107" wide screen.....

http://i11.tinypic.com/2ilipud.jpg

The black cubes just under the screen are two BagEnd Infra18 subwoofers. I have a third one still boxed but I am afraid to plug it in........hehehe.....

http://i11.tinypic.com/2u3yzpt.jpg

http://i11.tinypic.com/2daljjo.jpg

http://i11.tinypic.com/3z0xb1i.jpg

BlendZilla.........there is no substitute........oh crap, the Porsche attorneys are on line 2..... :-)

Wow.

HOLY **** is that thing CRANKING out some light! :cool:

Too bad it's Marquee's only running at 1024P. :rolleyes:

It's also Too Bad that you aren't coming to witness what will probably be the BEST CRT projected image ever!!!!!!! ;)

1600X1200P PER projector and I'm shooting for 72hz. :D

I don't think that the cooperation from Stewart is going to work out Tim so I have commited myself to using the 1.16 gain SMX Weaved Acoustic Screen. I hope that it will be ok in regards to the blend zone, but the gain is so minimal that we should be ok.

This is going to be too damn cool, even though it will take place in an unfinished basement, I still plan to make it comfortable. ;) :)

Cliff

Wow look at those pics.. Theirrrrrrrrrrrr Great :)

Cliff - can you confirm the date and place again? I might be able to pull this one off... :rolleyes:

Cliff - can you confirm the date and place again? I might be able to pull this one off... :rolleyes:

Are you serious or joking?? That would be awesome if you were there.

Saturday December 9th at my new home in St. John, Indiana.

We will have JUST moved in so the house will be in disarray, but drink will be plenty. :D

Cliff

I don't think that the cooperation from Stewart is going to work out Tim so I have commited myself to using the 1.16 gain SMX Weaved Acoustic Screen. I hope that it will be ok in regards to the blend zone, but the gain is so minimal that we should be ok.


Cliff
The SmX has a perfect off axis performance so this should help if I am understanding the problem with blending on a gain screen correctly. You can go 80 degrees off axis and it looks the same.

Im not sure the gain numbers on the SmX are pure science or if there is such a thing, two differnet people can come up with two different results and have, one said 0 gain and the other guy said 1.16, regardless, it looks darn good up against a Stewart Studiotek 130 without perfs. We had people that knew nothing about screens or could care less pick their favorite and it was about 50/50 with most saying " is there a difference?"

heres a pic with the SmX hanging in front of the Stewart the way we tested and we had black fabric behind the SmX to duplicate the open black space behind

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/GoBigRed/P2160776.jpg


heres a couple videos of the original material before it was improved with a tighter weave (much better results) but they give you an idea of how good it performs, remember its shot with a camcorder so the results have bloomed whites that appear blue, this is the nature of this camera not Stewart or SmX, it also had troubles focusing sometimes but what can you expect shooting a 14' screen

www.mediamax.com/gobigred/Hosted/shear2.wmv

www.mediamax.com/gobigred/Hosted/shearweave.wmv

www.mediamax.com/gobigred/Hosted/screenshots.wmv

www.mediamax.com/gobigred/Hosted/X360andstuff.wmv

My new home is located in St. John, Indiana

Wow, wish I could make it both to see this and my old stomping grounds. I lived in Merrillville for a couple years while in High School.

Dave

HOLY **** is that thing CRANKING out some light! :cool:

..... is going to be too damn cool, even though it will take place in an unfinished basement, I still plan to make it comfortable. ;) :)

Cliff

I expect that the rating of 240 ANSI of one M9500 is about doubled to the 480 ANSI range, and I did not exceed 50 on the contrast to have it...... :-)


http://i11.tinypic.com/2u3yzpt.jpg

http://i11.tinypic.com/2daljjo.jpg

http://i11.tinypic.com/3z0xb1i.jpg

The SmX has a perfect off axis performance so this should help if I am understanding the problem with blending on a gain screen correctly. You can go 80 degrees off axis and it looks the same.

Im not sure the gain numbers on the SmX are pure science or if there is such a thing, two differnet people can come up with two different results and have, one said 0 gain and the other guy said 1.16, regardless, it looks darn good up against a Stewart Studiotek 130 without perfs. We had people that knew nothing about screens or could care less pick their favorite and it was about 50/50 with most saying " is there a difference?"

heres a pic with the SmX hanging in front of the Stewart the way we tested and we had black fabric behind the SmX to duplicate the open black space behind

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/GoBigRed/P2160776.jpg


heres a couple videos of the original material before it was improved with a tighter weave (much better results) but they give you an idea of how good it performs, remember its shot with a camcorder so the results have bloomed whites that appear blue, this is the nature of this camera not Stewart or SmX, it also had troubles focusing sometimes but what can you expect shooting a 14' screen

www.mediamax.com/gobigred/Hosted/shear2.wmv

www.mediamax.com/gobigred/Hosted/shearweave.wmv

www.mediamax.com/gobigred/Hosted/screenshots.wmv

www.mediamax.com/gobigred/Hosted/X360andstuff.wmv

Mark,

That is one hell of a theater you have there. I remember following your thread. :D

SMX I truly feel is the material of choice for my stack when I do it and I think it will make for a GREAT example for the Blendzilla meet.

Thanks much for the info!

Cliff

Wow, wish I could make it both to see this and my old stomping grounds. I lived in Merrillville for a couple years while in High School.

Dave

Dave,

It would be nice if you could make it! Much has changed in the area.

Although the conditions surrounding the screen at the meet will not be ideal, I think it will be ignored once the demo's start. ;)

Cliff

I expect that the rating of 240 ANSI of one M9500 is about doubled to the 480 ANSI range, and I did not exceed 50 on the contrast to have it...... :-)

Quit bragging Tim. :D :D :D :D

Cliffy

I wasnt aware DVX could do 1600x1200 @ 72?? Did I miss a firmware update Tim? I thought at that resolution it was limited to 60Hz?

You could try 1400x1050@72 though

Cliff, try all 1024p, 1050p, 1200p... I found that I couldnt really see a difference with any of these... also, will you have an external video processor also? I find using the VP50 to the DVX really improves on PQ

I wasnt aware DVX could do 1600x1200 @ 72?? Did I miss a firmware update Tim? I thought at that resolution it was limited to 60Hz?

You could try 1400x1050@72 though

Cliff, try all 1024p, 1050p, 1200p... I found that I couldnt really see a difference with any of these... also, will you have an external video processor also? I find using the VP50 to the DVX really improves on PQ

Gino,

I was under the impression that it will do 1600X1200@72hz per projector? I guess Tim will have to chime in on this one. If not, I can stick to 60hz. Anything under 1200P at 4:3 on a G90 will reveal visible scanlines on a 12ft wide screen hence me wanting to use the G90's "sweet spot".

Cliff

Ok guys

I have been a bit MIA from a few forums lately.... heck I didnt even make it to the last HEMI GTG either.... and now just catching this thread.... :mad:


COUNT ME IN.....

I was the only person from here to actualy make it out to arts demo at the hotel when Ken set up the G90's side by side :eek:

Ok guys

I have been a bit MIA from a few forums lately.... heck I didnt even make it to the last HEMI GTG either.... and now just catching this thread.... :mad:


COUNT ME IN.....

I was the only person from here to actualy make it out to arts demo at the hotel when Ken set up the G90's side by side :eek:

Most excellent Sandbagger. Looking foward to meeting you........

Cliff

Guys!

Here is what the controlware allows one to click on:

1280 x 1024 at 50 60 72 and 75 hz refresh

1400 x 1050 the same

1600 x 1200 at 50 or 60 hz

1920 x 1080 at 50 or 59 hz, not sure if blend capable need to try some stuff

1600X1200@60hz per projector it is then my friend........

Maybe I'll try 1050P as well.......

Cliff

I'd go with 1280x1024 @ 72 Hz for NTSC film-sourced material.

If the DiVentix does not support IVTC for HD sources, use an external processor to do that and feed the 1080p24, 1080p48 or 1080p72 signal into the DiVentix for blending only.

that's what I'm doing now :)

Guys!

No baseball last night but the football looked excellent!!!!!


http://i14.tinypic.com/2vs2pvt.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/2m6n9zs.jpg



Giants over Dallas.....

The two new tubes came in last for the 8500 (thanks Tim). I've been way too busy to get them in the unit, but can't wait..:)

This is one setup I'm really looking forward to doing a screenshot session of..:cool:

Got ruby?

The two new tubes came in last for the 8500 (thanks Tim). I've been way too busy to get them in the unit, but can't wait..:)

This is one setup I'm really looking forward to doing a screenshot session of..:cool:

Got ruby?

So Mike, you really should fly out with Clarence when he comes for the meet. You really need to get your hands on a G90 so that you can see first hand why he is KING. :D ;) :D ;)

Cliffy

Guys!

No baseball last night but the football looked excellent!!!!!


http://i14.tinypic.com/2vs2pvt.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/2m6n9zs.jpg



Giants over Dallas.....

Tim,

Those screen shots are amazing! You would think that your watching a d!g$%#l!! :D

Cliff

Tad disappointing to hear that Gino is getting his best results when using processing from VP-50 prior the DVX 8022. What is going on with that?

Yes... you would think for paying that sort of money I shouldnt need one... well you dont NEED one, but there is a definite increase in PQ when I add the VP50 in the loop

There were many questions a few months ago about how DiVentix did de-interlacing, but not many answers. Sounds like the VP50 simply does it better, which is not too surprising as it's the state of the art. The better Crystalio, Lumagen, Optoma or Vantage processors would probably do a good job too. An expensive hardware blender can't keep up with those sorts of developments.

That's why I think switching/de-interlacing/scaling/noise reduction/picture control etc should be kept in the VP, and splitting and blending just left to the blender.

If the DiVentix is just bobbing or scaling 1080i video (like the VP30 for example) then it may not give you a better picture than say, a VP50 driving a stacked pair.

Nick

There were many questions a few months ago about how DiVentix did de-interlacing, but not many answers. Sounds like the VP50 simply does it better, which is not too surprising as it's the state of the art. The better Crystalio, Lumagen, Optoma or Vantage processors would probably do a good job too. An expensive hardware blender can't keep up with those sorts of developments.

That's why I think switching/de-interlacing/scaling/noise reduction/picture control etc should be kept in the VP, and splitting and blending just left to the blender.

If the DiVentix is just bobbing or scaling 1080i video (like the VP30 for example) then it may not give you a better picture than say, a VP50 driving a stacked pair.

Nick

Nick

We asked Analogue to tell us a bit about their technology and they declined. Multi-box systems are quite cumbersome so a one-box solution running one firmware controlled by one PC is the friendliest solution in my opinion. 480i sources have their inherent limits so if some other scaler handles that better then so be it. My base DVD player here is an HTPC and looks fabulous for that use so I cannot grumble about Gino's setup!

One comparison I will be able to make though is between the deinterlacing between the DVX and VP50. Once my projectors are back up and running (Tim - do you have those 2/4/6 pole magnets for me?), I'll be able to hookup the XA1 at 1080i60 direct to DVX, and also compare it to 1080i60 deinterlaced to 1080p60 by the VP50.

Nick

We asked Analogue to tell us a bit about their technology and they declined. Multi-box systems are quite cumbersome so a one-box solution running one firmware controlled by one PC is the friendliest solution in my opinion. 480i sources have their inherent limits so if some other scaler handles that better then so be it. My base DVD player here is an HTPC and looks fabulous for that use so I cannot grumble about Gino's setup!

Tim,

What is your suggestion for me at this point with things getting closer?

I REALLY DONT want to run the G90's at 1024P. They will spit that up, eat it again, and then crap it on the floor. It's really not the optimal resolution for a G90.

If I run 1200P in 4:3, the picture will be the bomb. Albeit, there will be scanlines, it will not be NEARLY as bad if 176 lines of information were taken out of the equation.

Can we do this and the deinterlacing be within spec of what the demanding videophiles coming to the meet will expect or do I need to put the VP50 in the mix........ ????????

Cliff

One comparison I will be able to make though is between the deinterlacing between the DVX and VP50. Once my projectors are back up and running (Tim - do you have those 2/4/6 pole magnets for me?), I'll be able to hookup the XA1 at 1080i60 direct to DVX, and also compare it to 1080i60 deinterlaced to 1080p60 by the VP50.


Why 1080p60? The VP50 will output 1080p48 (dunno about 72).

Yes, I can try 1080p48 too... it wont do 72Hz though

Yes... you would think for paying that sort of money I shouldnt need one... well you dont NEED one, but there is a definite increase in PQ when I add the VP50 in the loop

Gino - do you see that increase on PQ when using HD-DVD? I would suspect that if you output 1080p24 to the DVX and then output 72 Hz to the PJs there is no deinterlacing in the equation.

Where do you get the 1080p24 to the dvx from?? The HD-SDI mod firmware hack isnt available yet... the VP50 is how I'd input 1080p24/48/60 to the DVX

As soon as my boards come back, I'm really interested to see how 1080i60 via HDSDI direct to the DVX compares to first being deinterlaced by the VP50 to 1080p48/60 then to DVX

I thought the Toshiba HD-DVD player supports it. Looks like it doesn't.

Even if it doesn't today, it is just a question of time that 2nd gen HD-DVD and BR players supports native 1080p24 output assuming the movies are encoded in 1080p24 too.

BAH!!!!! You guy's and your 1080P/24......

Blah blah blah......... :D

I could care less. I've been watching .ts files tonight, one after another on my Samsung 1200P LCD's at 1200P/60, and I am STUNNED. Nuff said......

I CANT WAIT for this meet. The G90's WILL SING LIKE NO OTHER FP device in HT.

Forget about the damn DI, the refresh rate, and the so called "optimal" way to watch a movie.

The people at the meet will speak for what they see and all will be known...... :D

Oh boy is it getting good! :)

Cliffy

You really don't notice the judder?

Cliffy, if only you could see what my Ultra's are now capable of, with the DVX, VP50 and XA1

You really don't notice the judder?

Why would I Mark? These files are not encoded as such when it comes to custom refresh.

Isn't it true as well that HD DVD and Blue Ray are encoded in 1080P60? I don't notice "jutter" on HD DVD either........

Cliff

Cliffy, if only you could see what my Ultra's are now capable of, with the DVX, VP50 and XA1

Gino, I'm only yapping at the mouth about my G90's. I cant help it. :D

I'm sure your picture is REFERENCE. That's a hell of a combination you have there. :) :cool: ;)

Cliff

The people at the meet will speak for what they see and all will be known...... :D



And they will go forth , and they will be fruitful and mutiply................ no wait that's something else. :o :D

Art

I think it's the G90 stacks that are going forth and multiplying. Do you feel like a granddad, Art?? :D

I think it's the G90 stacks that are going forth and multiplying. Do you feel like a granddad, Art?? :D

Well if all the G90s weren't enough, the way my knees felt when I got out of bed this morning sealed it ! :eek: :D


Art

And they will go forth , and they will be fruitful and mutiply................ no wait that's something else. :o :D

Art

:D :eek: :D :eek:

Cliffy

Why would I Mark? These files are not encoded as such when it comes to custom refresh.

Isn't it true as well that HD DVD and Blue Ray are encoded in 1080P60? I don't notice "jutter" on HD DVD either........

Cliff

TS files are flagged as 1920x1080i at 60hz. But a simple Inverse Telecine using the unofficial Dscaler 1080i decoder will extract the 23.976fps base rate out of them. Use that decoder in the PC and they are magically 23.976fps, instead of 29.976 fps.

Film is still shot at 24fps. Video (other than DVHS) does not duplicate frames in encoding, it uses repeat field flags to tell the player to reconstruct the 60hz rate, but you can ignore these flags and detect the cadence.

I'm not 100% certain about HD-DVD and BD but I'm reasonably certain they are encoded at 1080p 24fps and the cadence is established by flags again.

Flags can and should be ignored when you have a mulitsync capable projector (and scaler/PC).

That's why Cliffy ;)

Guys!


Monday night football saw New England take Minnesota........


http://i11.tinypic.com/2ykjne1.jpg


http://i12.tinypic.com/2nu6q06.jpg

Guys!


Monday night football saw New England take Minnesota........


http://i11.tinypic.com/2ykjne1.jpg


http://i12.tinypic.com/2nu6q06.jpg

Who won?

Why would I Mark? These files are not encoded as such when it comes to custom refresh.

Isn't it true as well that HD DVD and Blue Ray are encoded in 1080P60? I don't notice "jutter" on HD DVD either........

Cliff

If the source is video, then no judder. If the source is film, there is no way to play it back at 60 Hz without judder because the odd number frames are visible for 50% more time than the even number frames. Ain't no way to get rid of judder at 60 Hz.

Dave

Yep, and the reason* I haven't pulled the trigger on a HD-A1 (cheap on ebay now), is it only offers a 60hz output. The judder is obvious, it drives me nuts.

I wish someone would hack the firmware and add custom res's like a momitsu. 1080i 72hz would be awesome. I already have one HD-DVD disc, and a step down transformer, and a Moome convertor on loan. Just want 72hz...

* And I'm buying some XG LC boards, a Moome ISS card, a holiday to Queensland (not as far north as Gino), and I want an oscilloscope.

I already have enough HD that I can play back without judder.

Why dont you make the trip up a little further Mark? I reckon it would be worth your while :)

Why dont you make the trip up a little further Mark? I reckon it would be worth your while :)

Mark... beware!!! :eek: Look what happened to me... I made a trip to Tim's and ended up with the Blendzilla, and four Marquees... :eek: :D :eek: :D

Ahh, you just wait till you have a couple of kids....reality hits hard.

Even getting from Currumbin to Seaworld is going to be a major military manoeuver....

I'm already there (just one, though)... Gino might want to show The Incredibles or a similar kid friendly movie... which also happens to be in HD and represents a reference in PQ :)

Umm, ahh, it's 1500 kilometres from where I'll be to Gino's.

If I was going to Cairns, yep, absolutely I'd drop in. But 1500k's? That's like Spain to umm, Russia (?).

It's a big place you know.

Mark... beware!!! :eek: Look what happened to me... I made a trip to Tim's and ended up with the Blendzilla, and four Marquees... :eek: :D :eek: :D

LOL! :D How is my little gem doing by the way????

Are you still thinking about coming?

Cliff

The 9000LC is resting next to the other big boys... on the floor :mad: My HT is not still finished so I cannot move the PJs in yet... This wait is killing me!

To be honest I have no idea on what to do with the 9000LC and the 9500LC... Convert the 9000LC into a 9500LC and blend them for 16/9? :o

I would really like to go. I will know for sure in the next two weeks.

Umm, ahh, it's 1500 kilometres from where I'll be to Gino's.

If I was going to Cairns, yep, absolutely I'd drop in. But 1500k's? That's like Spain to umm, Russia (?).

It's a big place you know.

Wow... when Gino said "a little further" he really meant much more...

The 9000LC is resting next to the other big boys... on the floor :mad: My HT is not still finished so I cannot move the PJs in yet... This wait is killing me!

To be honest I have no idea on what to do with the 9000LC and the 9500LC... Convert the 9000LC into a 9500LC and blend them for 16/9? :o

I would really like to go. I will know for sure in the next two weeks.

Well hopefully you will come. It would be awesome. :)

Make sure if you do come, that you pm me your coctail of choice! ;)

As far as the extra PJ's, well, why not a QUAD BLEND on a 18ft wide screen? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Cliffy

Umm, ahh, it's 1500 kilometres from where I'll be to Gino's.

If I was going to Cairns, yep, absolutely I'd drop in. But 1500k's? That's like Spain to umm, Russia (?).



That's no excuse... you call yourself an enthusiast or what? :p A mate of mine from Sydney is currently on his 4 day drive up here... I think he is half way now... will be here in 2 days. That'd be getting close to 2700k's!

Gino

When the going gets tough, the tough start driving! How many expected at your house? Pix! Pix! Pix!

Fair go, Pasey and I once drove from Melbourne to Newcastle then back to Sydney in 1 day to pick up 2 Xtras. Then drove back to Melbourne the next day. About a 2500k weekend. :)

But we didn't have families along for the ride...

I just got off the phone with Ruben (SMX).

What a SERIOUS KICK ASS guy he is. It is so nice to meet people in AVS that are on my level in so many ways.

Showcasing his material at my meet is going to be JUST as IMPORTANT as the BLEND in regards to all of the GOOD THINGS I HAVE READ about the screen material he designed.

This is a HUGE COMPLIMENT to what he has accomplished. His material is a "woven" screen that has a 1.16 actual measured gain with NO COLOR SHIFT or HOTSPOTTING. It will be a perfect compliment to the G90's at 12ft wide.

Hell of a guy that has done a hell of a lot of work to be able to make a DIY material that not only matches but surpasses what the best screen companies have to offer right now at a MUCH smaller price point.

What a GREAT TIME TO BE IN HOME THEATER.

This meet is going to be BEYOND bad ass.

I am ordering the replacement tube for one of my G90's tomorrow from VDC which I am extremely pissed off about right now. The price of 9" tubes has gone UP once again to around 1300 bucks.

In my opinion, VDC is getting to the point of RAPE and driving the casual CRT home theater CRT user out of the market. Charging these kind of prices for replacement CRT's is going to drive CRT into the ground. What a shame.......

Brenda told me today that they are charging 250 bucks for a damn C ELEMENT!!! WTF???? :eek:

I've known about this for a while now, but to actually hear it from the horse's mouth is extremely disturbing. 250 bucks for a piece of plastic? What pricks.......

I keep thinking more and more about what will light up that 12ft wide SMX material the day of the meet and I get more and more GIDDY. This will be the bomb.

I might not have a finished theater and the environment might not be "ideal" but damn will it be close and WOW, 2 G90'sa blended on a 12ft wide screen at 1600X1200 A PIECE. WOW, and again WOW. SMOKIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will update the list soon and will close it as well soon as I only have so much room to acommodate.

Jump in NOW if you plan to participate......... :)

Cliffy

Cliffy

Pencil in John Gannon as a likely attendee, he is going to do everything he can to get there.

Cliffy

Pencil in John Gannon as a likely attendee, he is going to do everything he can to get there.

You got it Tim.

Cliff

Cliff,
I hate to see you this excited. It could get ugly. Trust me with you in this state I'll be watching my back. :D

Art

Here's a screenshot for you... Ive worked on the magnetics so things are sharper than ever... have a look at the text

btw, I originally tried 1200p60, then compared to 1024p72... didnt see any scanlines on either setting, nor notice any loss in pq

[Aeon Flux HDDVD] (http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=2037)

Nice screenshot Gino.

How wide is that screen, BTW?

That's still my 121" wide 1.92 screen, the new 156" wide 2.40 screen will be here next week, but wont be able to set that up until 2 weeks later, as I'm on holiday :)

Cliff,
I hate to see you this excited. It could get ugly. Trust me with you in this state I'll be watching my back. :D

Art

You Mr. Sonneborn, do not have to watch your back.

I will say though, that others around me that have brought my LIFE to this point right now should be.

You will understand after we talk............

As far as the anticipation that I have for what is coming, I am EXTATIC. :D

Guess what else BIG DOG?

There is a JEWEL coming to my meet as well. :eek: :D :eek: :D

Cliffy

Cliff

Here's a screenshot for you... Ive worked on the magnetics so things are sharper than ever... have a look at the text

btw, I originally tried 1200p60, then compared to 1024p72... didnt see any scanlines on either setting, nor notice any loss in pq

[Aeon Flux HDDVD] (http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=2037)

That image has some SERIOUS punch Gino. Very, very, very nice.......... :)

I bought V for V on HD DVD today and am watching it on my Mitsubishi 65813 9" CRT RP.

This transfer is SPECATACULAR. No film grain like in Mission IMP 3 and the BLACKS ARE TO DIE FOR.

There are scenes in this movie where ON OFF CONTRAST for CRT is absolutely KILLER.

This will be showcased at the meet FO SHO. :cool:

Cliff

Cliff,
I am very tempted to come to your meet. I have my company Christmas party the night before so I do not know what kind of shape I would be in. I saw earlier in the thread you asked if anyone would want to bring their digital by to compare. I would bring my Pearl but I do not want to put your G90s to shame. :p :p :p

Congrats on the new home. What time on the 9th???

Hey I did not know you had a 65813. I used to have one, great CRT RPTV. Tweaked out, probably the best CRT RPTV of all time.

Hey I did not know you had a 65813. I used to have one, great CRT RPTV. Tweaked out, probably the best CRT RPTV of all time.

FO SHO. The Diamond CRT RP series has WOWED me since day one.

I watched the V for V HD DVD on it tonight and was literally STUNNED THROUGHOUT the entire movie. Black level and on off contrast are absolutely amazing. Just gourgeous. What a hell of a steal this movie was at 20 bucks........

Once again, what a great time to be in home theater. HD DVD rocks. :D

Cliff

Yes Cliff, V for Vendetta is indeed the blacks king in that there is lots of it and it is so fuucken clean. :D Another tremendous HDDVD/ VC-1 triumph ! I agree, what a great time to be alive if you are into this stuff. :)

Art

Updated list guys:

Art Sonneborn and his Hottie Wife, I mean, Angela
Ken Whitcomb
Bomrat
siropa
Mike (dochlywd)
Walt (aspec2)
Mike (skylooker1)
William Seaward
James McClellan
Don KELLOGG
yborstrip
Clarence (WE ARE GONNA SO PARTY)
Casey Mershon
Ryan from the Little Guys Home Theater
John Gannon (Tentative)
Kipp Jones (Tentative)
This Spainiard is talking of coming...... :D
THIS IS THE MYSTERY SLOT FOR A COOL DUDE IF HE COMES
and FO SHO, My Hottie Wife......

I got some good news tonight from Ryan at the LIttle Guys shop. Looks like a PEARL will be in house for the meet. I'm going to mask the screen appropriately to be able to house this latest digital from Sony. Should be interesting.

Cliffy

Cliff,
Good news on the Pearl.

HAHA!!! I get to stay up late tonight and most of you guys dont! :D

The core guys went over details tonight with me and I ordered my screen from Ruben. Keep on creepin' up time. I'm getting VERY excited!

2 G90's blended on a 12ft wide screen. YUMMY.........

Cliffy

Ahh I get to stay up late but that's because I'm on global time...

Can't wait to see the blend.. hell now you'll have the SMX material I was thinking about as a sub for a uber Stewart Screen.

Ahh I get to stay up late but that's because I'm on global time...

Can't wait to see the blend.. hell now you'll have the SMX material I was thinking about as a sub for a uber Stewart Screen.

Yep. I've heard nothing but PRAISE about this material Don. Sent you a PM.

Cliff

Guys!

We had a VIP visitor from Singapore yesterday; when he gets back and recovers from jet lag perhaps he will say a few words. :-)

I am planning on being there and may I be the first to say "Welcome To Indiana". I am an Illinois transplant myself. I have a dinner party at 5pm - what time would this start? Perhaps I can meet, greet view and run.

Guys and Gals,

Now that I know that my second G90 is on its way and provided she doesn't show up damaged, Tim kindly offered up his Blendzilla solution for us to check out!

Cliff

I am planning on being there and may I be the first to say "Welcome To Indiana". I am an Illinois transplant myself. I have a dinner party at 5pm - what time would this start? Perhaps I can meet, greet view and run.

How's it going Mike? Thanks for the Welcome! :D

I bet your stoked that you wont have to drive NEARLY as far when you come to my place from now on huh? Just so you know, I'm over in the Gates of St. John about 1 1/2 mile east of SR41 (wicker) and 231.

I havent set a start time yet, but the end time, well, is to be determined by how late we can stay up! :cool:

Talk to ya,

Cliff

How's it going Mike? Thanks for the Welcome! :D

I bet your stoked that you wont have to drive NEARLY as far when you come to my place from now on huh? Just so you know, I'm over in the Gates of St. John about 1 1/2 mile east of SR41 (wicker) and 231.

I havent set a start time yet, but the end time, well, is to be determined by how late we can stay up! :cool:

Talk to ya,

Cliff
You will be under 20 minutes from my place so it's a easy drive for sure.

Hi!

I'm the gentleman from Singapore, although no VIP (where did that come from? :) ). Thanks Tim, for giving me a brief demo on how the BLENDZILLA works and of course viewing DVD and Discovery HD channel. I did not have plenty of time and we watched Fifth Element Superbit.

That was easily the best picture I have seen so far! The good thing about having materials that I watch over and over again, is how easy it is to spot any differences. The details, both in highlights and lowlights (is there such a term?) are just incredible, with plenty of color punch. And we did not watched it in a darkened room! I can't imagine how it would look like in a darkened room.

The thing that I like about it is how it still retain that natural, analog look which I much prefer over the unnatural (to me) digital look. To me, that was just a lot more real. Granted, I'm not updated on latest development in digital so I might be wrong. But I know what my preferences are. :)

The thing that I like about it is how it still retain that natural, analog look which I much prefer over the unnatural (to me) digital look. To me, that was just a lot more real. Granted, I'm not updated on latest development in digital so I might be wrong. But I know what my preferences are. :)

Check Game........

Your explanation of that "natural, analogue look" is EXACTLY why I put my game in high gear and picked up a set of G90's. :D

Good luck on your journey into the ultimate display!!!!! :)

Cliff

Once again, updated list:

Art Sonneborn and his Hottie Wife, I mean, Angela
Ken Whitcomb
Bomrat (Props to this dude for rocking by my side and being one of my best FREINDS)
siropa
Mike (dochlywd)
Walt (aspec2)
Mike (skylooker1)
William Seaward
James McClellan
Don KELLOGG
yborstrip
mikecazz
Clarence (WE ARE GONNA SO PARTY)
Casey Mershon
Ryan from the Little Guys Home Theater
John Gannon (Tentative)
Kipp Jones and Scott (Tentative)
This Spainiard is talking of coming......
THIS IS THE MYSTERY SLOT FOR A COOL DUDE IF HE COMES
and FO SHO, My Hottie Wife......

Who is this MYSTERY SLOT FOR???

Looking foward to him showing up.

Got the SMX Material ordered, as well as my second G90 green tube replacement, black material to hopefully light control the area as much as possible, as well as many other little details that I'll just skip.

Bottom line:

2 G90's on a 12ft wide screen blended at 1600X1200 60hz per projector. That's 3200X2400 minus about 15% for the blend zone.

OH BOY OH BOY I CANT WAIT!!!!!!!! :D :eek: :D :eek:

Not to mention hanging with some of the best people I will EVER come across in my lifetime.

This is GOING TO BE DA BOMB! ;)

Cliffy

2 G90's on a 12ft wide screen blended at 1600X1200 60hz per projector. That's 3200X2400 minus about 15% for the blend zone.

Cliffy


Don't you mean 3200 minus 15% for the blend zone by 1200? ;)
C'MON! Somebody was gonna call you out on that one!

>3000 x 1200.... Now I need to get that super PC with two Nvidia 8800 in SLI...

If only Halo 2 PC was out... :(

>3000 x 1200.... Now I need to get that super PC with two Nvidia 8800 in SLI...

If only Halo 2 PC was out... :(

Big dog, should I officially add you to the list??

Cliff

Don't you mean 3200 minus 15% for the blend zone by 1200? ;)
C'MON! Somebody was gonna call you out on that one!

I know it's 1200 lines, but wouldn't it essentially be 2400 at 1200 per side minus 15% for the blend zone?????? :confused:

Cliffy

I know it's 1200 lines, but wouldn't it essentially be 2400 at 1200 per side minus 15% for the blend zone?????? :confused:

Blending (1600x1200) + (1600x1200) with a 15% overlap (240 pixels) will give you 2960x1200....

http://crtforum.com/img/2960x1200.png

Humm

some how I droped off the invite list???

its going to be a buisy weekend for me since the Excentric day at Bells Beer on friday and then 2 GTG in chicago on sat. yours and one for HT audio stuff too.

Blending (1600x1200) + (1600x1200) with a 15% overlap (240 pixels) will give you 2960x1200....

http://crtforum.com/img/2960x1200.png

Gotcha big dog. Looking at those G90's are making me drool! :)

Cliff

Humm

some how I droped off the invite list???

its going to be a buisy weekend for me since the Excentric day at Bells Beer on friday and then 2 GTG in chicago on sat. yours and one for HT audio stuff too.

SORRY ABOUT THAT KEVIN!!

Updated:

Art Sonneborn and his Hottie Wife, I mean, Angela
Ken Whitcomb
Bomrat (Props to this dude for rocking by my side and being one of my best FREINDS)
Mike (dochlywd)
Walt (aspec2)
Mike (skylooker1)
William Seaward
James McClellan
Don KELLOGG
yborstrip
mikecazz
Sandbagger (Kevin)
Clarence (WE ARE GONNA SO PARTY)
Casey Mershon
Ryan from the Little Guys Home Theater
John Gannon (Tentative)
Kipp Jones and Scott (Tentative)
This Spainiard is talking of coming......
THIS IS THE MYSTERY SLOT FOR A COOL DUDE IF HE COMES
and FO SHO, My Hottie Wife......

Cliffy

Looking foward to your visit Walt.

I was talking to Arli and we are going to at least try to have the theater framed out. It's gonna be a rough time trying to get it done, but I think we can get it accomplished.........

Cliff
I am good with a saw and hammer - let me know when you are going to need help.

Im going to send you my SmX screen since I am guessing your meet is fairly soon and this assures you will have time to make a frame and get everything calibrated in time, this stuff is in high demand and special made in quantity so Im donating to your cause, should go out tomorrow. Your getting 16' so you can have samples if folks want them at the meet. Ill PM tracking

Tim will have to tell us what exactly is up but the new 2007 Analog Way literature list a promising new array of high resolution outputs for the DVX-8022.

I know there has not been a hardware change so I guess this is just a matter of a software download??

I am good with a saw and hammer - let me know when you are going to need help.

You got it Mike. I'll take all the help I can get because I threw my back out and am waiting for results (looks like it's going to be a herniated disc).

PM me your number ok??

Talk to ya,

Cliff

Im going to send you my SmX screen since I am guessing your meet is fairly soon and this assures you will have time to make a frame and get everything calibrated in time, this stuff is in high demand and special made in quantity so Im donating to your cause, should go out tomorrow. Your getting 16' so you can have samples if folks want them at the meet. Ill PM tracking


Mark,

I'm a bit confused. I already worked this out with Ruben. Is there something I don't know???????

Cliff

Im going to send you my SmX screen... this stuff is in high demand and special made in quantity so Im donating to your cause... Your getting 16' so you can have samples if folks want them at the meet.
I'm a bit confused. I already worked this out with Ruben. Is there something I don't know???????
Shhh... door prizes. :cool: ;)

probably a different deal, not sure but I thought it was this meet. nevermind

probably a different deal, not sure but I thought it was this meet. nevermind

Mark,

This must be related to DOOR PRIZES! :D

Anybody else out there that would like to sponsor for the meet?? Alan Gouger? Anyone? Bueller? :)

Cliffy

Kipp Jones and Scott (Tentative)

Cliffy

For the record, were not gay, just good friends who share an interest in HT. Scott is also my daughters Godfather, so show him respect!!! :p :p :p

For the record, were not gay, just good friends who share an interest in HT. Scott is also my daughters Godfather, so show him respect!!! :p :p :p

Duly noted Mr. Jones. :D

The wife and I went through the final walk through of the new house tonight and it's looking awesome. I close next wednesday and to be honest, I CANNOT WAIT!

The only thing that I will have to make rule for the meet is SHOES OFF in my STABBIN CABIN! :D

Also, be prepared for your car to get dirty. The place is a mess from all of the construction but I promise this:

Plenty of GREAT conversation with good people and some pretty kick ass booze. ;)

Cliffy

Duly noted Mr. Jones. :D

The wife and I went through the final walk through of the new house tonight and it's looking awesome. I close next wednesday and to be honest, I CANNOT WAIT!

The only thing that I will have to make rule for the meet is SHOES OFF in my STABBIN CABIN! :D

Also, be prepared for your car to get dirty. The place is a mess from all of the construction but I promise this:

Plenty of GREAT conversation with good people and some pretty kick ass booze. ;)

Cliffy
Congrats - I hope the building process went smooth and the closing is without event. Its so nice to have a brand new house, not to mention a blank canvas to build a theater in.

Congrats - I hope the building process went smooth and the closing is without event. Its so nice to have a brand new house, not to mention a blank canvas to build a theater in.

You got that right big dog. No doubt about it and thanks for the kind words.

I'm sitting here in front of my new monitors that I purchased to replace my 21" Trinitrons. They are the Samsung 20 inch 204B with a native rez of 1600X1200. I actually really like them a lot. The black isn't as good as CRT, but they throw a nice SHARP clearly detailed picture that for the price (I think I paid $219 each for them) ROCKS.

Dude I CANNOT stop thinking about this meet. We are going to have a BLAST. It's ashame that you have to jump in and out because from about 7PM and later, it's gonna be PARTY TIME. :D

I hope the mystery guest shows up. THAT WOULD BE DA BOMB!!!! :D

Cliffy

Guys,

The address for the meet is:

10393 Redwood Dr.
St. John, IN 46373

It's not on mapquest yet so I'm going to have to get another address that's in Mapquest and walk everyone in from there. I'll post EXACT directions and make it as easy as possible.

I cant wait until all of us are together. Saturday December 9th will be a day to remember for all of us.

Cliffy

Guys!

Cliffy's pal Arlan is expected here in Phoenix this week for a preview peek at BlendZilla, he is visiting family here in the area. Anyone similarly visiting here may call the day before and arrange to stop by, 480 368 7434 daytime.

http://i7.tinypic.com/44q79fn.jpg

Guys!

Cliffy's pal Arlan is expected here in Phoenix this week for a preview peek at BlendZilla, he is visiting family here in the area. Anyone similarly visiting here may call the day before and arrange to stop by, 480 368 7434 daytime.

http://i7.tinypic.com/44q79fn.jpg

Hopefully he can pick up some good tips!!! :D

Things are creeping up VERY quickly to the meet! I have a BAD FEELING that the picture is going to be THAT GOOD!

Cliffy

Cliffy

Did you start moving yet???

Hopefully he can pick up some good tips!!! :D

Things are creeping up VERY quickly to the meet! I have a BAD FEELING that the picture is going to be THAT GOOD!

Cliffy
I will have to get some screenshots of my new OTA HD project that I setup this weekend. My Optoma H78DC3 on the Carada 9' wide brilliant white screen was bright and shockingly clear.

It was a whole new experience vs. playing .ts files which may have come from compressed sources or upscaled sources.

Cliffy

Did you start moving yet???

Oh God did I ever Tim. Things are a complete disaster right now and my back is KILLING ME. I HATE MOVING. :mad:

Think happy thoughts Cliff, think happy thoughts.........

Cliff

I will have to get some screenshots of my new OTA HD project that I setup this weekend. My Optoma H78DC3 on the Carada 9' wide brilliant white screen was bright and shockingly clear.

It was a whole new experience vs. playing .ts files which may have come from compressed sources or upscaled sources.

Sorry I missed you Mike. It's been like lucifer in my face for the last 2 days.........

Cliffy

Cliff,
I think you need to visit one of those Tokyo health spas on the way over to my place. Easy off and on the interstate ........get very good deep rub boy. :D

Art

Cliff,
I think you need to visit one of those Tokyo health spas on the way over to my place. Easy off and on the interstate ........get very good deep rub boy. :D

Art

Don't tempt me big dog. ;) :D

I thought I would be happy moving this time but I am miserable. There is crap EVERYWHERE and I CANT FIND ANYTHING. It wouldn't be so bad if this wasn't my second move in 3 months. All of my stuff that I packed 3 months ago was on the POD and all the electronics over at my buddies house so I'm pulling from multiple directions. It's put my mind to complete mush.

I have a butt load of stuff in the basement right now that I have to have organized by Tuesday because the drywall and wood for the theater is being delivered. As well, construction of the "partly" completed theater for the meet begins next week also.

One thing that is putting a smile on my face right now though..........

I'm looking at 2 freshly retubed G90's and 2 SVS PB12 Plus/2's that have been sorely missed. :D

Cliffy

Updated:

Art Sonneborn and his wife Angela
Ken Whitcomb
Bomrat (Props to this dude for rocking by my side and being one of my best FREINDS)
Walt (aspec2)
Mike (skylooker1)
William Seaward
James McClellan
Don KELLOGG
yborstrip
mikecazz
Sandbagger (Kevin)
Clarence (WE ARE GONNA SO PARTY)
Casey Mershon
Ryan from the Little Guys Home Theater
John Gannon (Tentative)
Kipp Jones and Scott (Tentative)
This Spainiard is talking of coming...... (Antorsae) :^)
The mystery slot dude is backing out I think
and FO SHO, My Hottie Wife......

I picked up a PS3 today so we'll be doing both HD DVD and Blue Ray for the meet. Arli (bomrat) is out in pheonix this weekend and stopped by Tim's today to check out the Blendzilla. Looking foward to his opinion.......... :D

Hopefully the look on his face will be something like this: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Both of the G90's have been retubed now and the SMX Screen Material arrived as well. Once I get settled into the new house, we begin construction of the "make shift" theater for the meet. It's getting close.........

Cliffy

Guys!

Arli from Chicago dropped in for a visit with his pal Adam; Arli (aka Bomrat) is Cliffy's sidekick for setting up the Chicago meet coming Dec. 9th, so Arli was wanting to see some BlendZilla setup moves, we devoted about twenty minutes to setup. I will let Arli describe his impressions of an hour watching BlendZilla.......


http://i15.tinypic.com/4dceivk.jpg

Oh Yeah Baby, Broadband has Arrived. :cool:

I'm happier than a clam in s**t. :D

A pic of the new house at night:

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/6.jpg

View from the back of the new theater to the front of the basement:

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/3.jpg

The front wall of the theater will be in front of the furnace. Poses a bit of an issue for sound, but I think we can tame it........

Here is my make shift office:

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/2.jpg

Oh HELL YEAH!!!!!!!! :D Here are some of my PRIZE posessions:

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/4.jpg

My babies are tucked safely away for now but I couldn't resist pulling the 2nd one out tonight to test for operation after retubing the green. In front of the G90's are my Klipsch KLF30's with matching center channel and my SVS PB12/Plus 2's.

Yummy. :)

What is this lonely little minty Barco 1100 doing on my floor?

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/1.jpg

And LOW AND BEHOLD ONE OF THE ONLY WAYS YOUR G90 SHOULD LOOK WHILE YOUR SETTING HER UP: :D ;) :D ;)

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/5.jpg

I got most of my crap together now for now and will be SOLEY dedicating my time to the meet from tonight foward.....

Let's ROCK. :D :cool:

Cliffy

Cliff-

I think your new house may be haunted

Bottom window on right - looks like a Ghost CAT


http://www.stbh.org/cliff/blend/6.jpg

LOL. That's the dog wishing she was outside with me. :^)

Cliff

View from the back of the new theater to the front of the basement:

http://www.stbh.org/cliff/blend/3.jpg



Cliff, great house... thats what I call brand spanking new!

I happen to notice the plumbing on your basement ceiling which looks very unusual compared to the houses in my neck of the woods. Looks like they've got the main stack running horizontal to your far wall instead of straight down into the ground. Cliff does your basement have other floor drains or do they just run the water heater overflow straight into the concrete? Because if you don't have any floor drains, I bet your basement concrete is a whole lot more level than mine. Could be they are building houses a little different today than when my neighborhood that went up 20 years ago.

Anyway, sorry to be off topic but I just had to ask cause the plumbing looks so different to me.

Cliff, great house... thats what I call brand spanking new!

I happen to notice the plumbing on your basement ceiling which looks very unusual compared to the houses in my neck of the woods. Looks like they've got the main stack running horizontal to your far wall instead of straight down into the ground. Cliff does your basement have other floor drains or do they just run the water heater overflow straight into the concrete? Because if you don't have any floor drains, I bet your basement concrete is a whole lot more level than mine. Could be they are building houses a little different today than when my neighborhood that went up 20 years ago.

Anyway, sorry to be off topic but I just had to ask cause the plumbing looks so different to me.

Thanks big dog. :)

What you see is the drainage for all of the sinks, etc from up stairs which exits midwall out to the front. There is one drain in the floor for the HVAC and I believe that is it. Then in one corner I have the sump and another corner I have the ejector pump.

Cliff

Got a WHOLE LOT done today........

Here is Bomrat installing 220V in my equipment room to provide electrical for the theater:

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/17.jpg

We also built the side walls (well, I was just a helper):

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/12.jpg

Entrance to the equipment room:

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/15.jpg

Entrance to the theater:

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/16.jpg

Then I got this in the mail today: :D :p :D :p

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/8.jpg

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/10.jpg

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/11.jpg

BLENDZILLA!!!!!!!!!

Also, Skylooker1 has offered to come over tomorrow and help us out. IT IS EL MUCHO APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!! :D ;)

MUCH MUCH more to get done.........

Cliff

Everything's coming together quickly!

I wish I was closer... seeing the bare framing brings back such fond memories.

From the pics, the layout and scale looks similar to my HT... even the equipment closet.

Is Arli standing where the screen will be? You're doing an AT screen, but if you needed a couple of extra feet on the screen wall (especially for an extra-wide blended screen), it looks like you could fan out and widen the room once you got past that support pole. And then angle a little into the equipment room...

http://crtforum.com/img/cliff-ht01.gif

You must be very excited now Cliff, brings me back to when I first laid eyes on my BlendZilla! ;)

Everything's coming together quickly!

I wish I was closer... seeing the bare framing brings back such fond memories.

From the pics, the layout and scale looks similar to my HT... even the equipment closet.

Is Arli standing where the screen will be? You're doing an AT screen, but if you needed a couple of extra feet on the screen wall (especially for an extra-wide blended screen), it looks like you could fan out and widen the room once you got past that support pole. And then angle a little into the equipment room...

http://crtforum.com/img/cliff-ht01.gif

NOW I AM GETTING EXCITED!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Finally I am in severe happy mode right now. I actually had a blast with Arli today framing. It's gonna move quick at this point.

He is standing in the back of the theater. The equipment room is in the back with the Seats. One thing Arli and I discussed today is how close to the door the Riser will be and looking at your pic is an awesome idea, but I don't want to intrude too much into the room next to the theater as it's small enough as it is at this point and I want to put a Pool Table in there along with a Popcorn Machine and a Kegerator. :^)

The screen is going to be WAY TOO BIG for the room, but hell, I don't care, as it will still be DA BOMB. The room for the meet will be about 14ft wide leaving about a foot on each side of the screen to the wall. I plan on putting up black fabric all around the screen and the walls next to it for light control.

I plan on making the room as dark as possible as to make the experience what it should be or at least close too. :^)

The On/Off CR is going to be through the roof dude. Were talking a MINIMUM of 11FL. Now that's what I'm talking about! :cool:

Cliffy

You must be very excited now Cliff, brings me back to when I first laid eyes on my BlendZilla! ;)

Yep, believe it or not, I actually foamed at the mouth and at the same time had a severe erection. :eek:

JUST KIDDING. :p

Cliffy

Lookin Good....
Plan's takin shape..

MIKE

Cliff,
is the 'zilla a loaner.....or have you made arrangements for it never to leave the basement?

Those speakers look ORSM!!!!
Dan

Who is setting it up for you and how much time have you allocated to setting it up?

Nice pics overclkr! I would love to see this when it's done.

Cliff,
is the 'zilla a loaner.....or have you made arrangements for it never to leave the basement?

Those speakers look ORSM!!!!
Dan

Thanks Dan. Those speakers are one of the BEST purchases I have ever made. I crank the hell out of them and they hold up like Champs. It takes a bit of equalization to get it just right, but the sound is awesome. One of the best speaker series Klipsch has ever made.

The SVS Subs are absolutely awesome. Another one of the BEST purchases I have ever made. :D

Mr. Blender is just for the meet and has to go back although I'm currently thinking of ways to cripple myself to the point of not being able to call UPS for pickup. :eek: :)

Cliff

Who is setting it up for you and how much time have you allocated to setting it up?

This is the point to where I keep giggling to myself HOPING that I with Ken and Clarence and Arli can get the job done in 2 days. ;)

Cliffy

Nice pics overclkr! I would love to see this when it's done.

Maybe you should ride on up with Clarence!! ;)

Thanks big dog. :D

Cliff

Well, sweden is little too far away. Would be nice to see. :)

Well, sweden is little too far away. Would be nice to see. :)

DUH!!!!! :eek:

I thought it was Virginia........ :(

Cliffy

This is the point to where I keep giggling to myself HOPING that I with Ken and Clarence and Arli can get the job done in 2 days. ;)
Cliffy

Well if I can be of assitance let me know. I've setup the Twins 4 times from scratch now. Just off the top of my head:

1. get rough positioning first and rough geometry/optical
2. configure BlendZilla, then in combination with the DVX and physically moving the projectors around, finalise the projector positioning parallel to the screen. This is to get your overlap right
3. once your setup, you can do your full magnetics alignment etc etc...
4. important to get linearity geometry right, this is key, then make minor adjustments to get the overlap geometry right
5. finish your convergence, adjust the blendzone SE curve, then finish colorimetry

With the lot of you I'm sure you can finish it in a day! Takes me less than that but I wouldnt go into as much depth as you guys would, and I'm sure you'll all be very excited to get it up and running, it will be a great motivator.

Well if I can be of assitance let me know. I've setup the Twins 4 times from scratch now. Just off the top of my head:

1. get rough positioning first and rough geometry/optical
2. configure BlendZilla, then in combination with the DVX and physically moving the projectors around, finalise the projector positioning parallel to the screen. This is to get your overlap right
3. once your setup, you can do your full magnetics alignment etc etc...
4. important to get linearity geometry right, this is key, then make minor adjustments to get the overlap geometry right
5. finish your convergence, adjust the blendzone SE curve, then finish colorimetry

With the lot of you I'm sure you can finish it in a day! Takes me less than that but I wouldnt go into as much depth as you guys would, and I'm sure you'll all be very excited to get it up and running, it will be a great motivator.

Keep an eye on the thread next wednesday Gino. We might need you! :)

Cliff

I know you like your SVSs, but that "Equipment Room" is screaming IB...

Cliffy

More PIX! More PIX! I want to see everything!!!!!!!!!

A 14 foot screen at 11 ft-L?

Better take your shades!

Nick :)

Man, we have been working our asses off..........

Here is the progress of the last couple of days:

View of the entrance
http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/27.jpg

Here is the entrance behind the screen
http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/26.jpg

Behind the screen
http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/19.jpg

Screen wall
http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/21.jpg

Installed tubing, ran Cables (Front Speakers, Subs)
http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/22.jpg

Electrical is in for the G90's (20 Amp Circuit), The Subs (20 Amp Circuit), The Equipment Room, and some lighting.
http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/23.jpg

Equipment Room
http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/29.jpg

Back of Theater
http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/20 (1).jpg

Screen wall looks great. Arli needs to do this full time. Heard the seats came in.

MIKE

Things are coming along very well but damn am I tired. We have been pumping big time.

Tomorrow, we are building the screen based on the SMX Material and mounting it to the wall. Then we are bringing in the G90's, a couple of sources, HTPC, and the Blendzilla to figure out throw distance.

We figured that it will take pretty much all of the room to accomodate the throw distance required to run a 12ft wide screen so the G90's will probably be literally above your heads. It was very close, but I think we are going to be able to pull it off.

They are going on the ceiling so we have to build a bracket to mount the G90's to and be able to get around the duct work so they will be sitting a bit low, but should be alright.

Ok, enough for tonight...... I'm going to bed..........

Cliffy

I'll have the ductwork on Monday. Are you going to route under the existing?


MIKE

Screen wall looks great. Arli needs to do this full time. Heard the seats came in.

MIKE

Pretty damn nice huh? I was jumping up and down on it and it would not budge. Perfectly level and strong as hell....... :)

Yep. Seats are here but I've only popped open the top of one of the boxes and glimpsed inside. Too many other things going on...... :(

Check your PM.

Cliff

I got something really cool in the mail today: :D :D :D :D


Incredibles is out on HDDVD??!!! :eek: I love that movie, where can I buy it?

Cliff,
I'm excited for you. Your theater will be the way to escape from that crap out there and not need that pesky drug rehab thing. :D

Art

Guys!

Cliffy and pals spent the afternoon mounting the screen fabric to the wooden aperture, and also learning the DVX controls, and are now determining the throw distance needed for each G90 to fill the height of the screen and the height of the tube phosphors without running off the edge, it came to about 120" of throw for the twelve foot screen width. This gives a throw ratio of about 0.84 for the largest image on 16:9 in the least throw distance. The image width will likely be pulled in some, this is very preliminary:

http://i14.tinypic.com/44i037k.jpg

Kill Me!!!

DAMN! I wish i could be there. I'd love to see what a REAL CRT(actually 2 of course) can do. Might jumpstart me on saving up for an upgrade, as I have been stuck in the Sony 127x realm for going on 5 years. Even if I could hitch a ride out there with someone closer thats attending, the date just doesn't work for me.... PLZ post alot of pics if you can of the event :D

Oh hell yeah today saw some Serious progress. Mike Cazz dropped by to find out he'd be here for a while....... :D

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/screen/19.jpg

Arli is holding up the screen frame that he built. I can't thank Arli enough for sticking by my side the way he has day after day plugging away. His craftsmanship scores an 11 out of 10. The dude is SMART AS HELL. :D

You ROCK ARLI. ;) :cool: ;) :cool:

We yanked out the SMX Material and laid it out on the floor and decided first to try and do a "wrap around" to the frame.

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/screen/22.jpg

That didn't work out so well so after a call to Ruben his suggestion was to fasten the screen to the frame on the front instead of wrapping around. We then decided well, let's just put it on the wall and fasten the screen that way since we are fastening it on the front.

WORKED OUT PERFECT. Check it:

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/screen/23.jpg

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/screen/25.jpg

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/screen/26.jpg

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/screen/33.jpg

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/screen/33.jpg

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/screen/32.jpg

And my Personal Favorite:

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/screen/27.jpg

All I have to say about this material with preliminary projection and overall quality is HOLY CRAP. This is BY FAR THE BEST SCREEN MATERIAL I have EVER seen. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

This screen is DA BOMB in EVERY WAY. I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL we post screenshots. I will let the results of the meet speek for themselves on this one. :D

Looking good Cliff! Question, are you putting a center channel behind the SmX screen for the show? If so, (as you may already know) the center brace is going to be in the way.

Ruben

Big thanks also goes to Mike Cazz for dropping by and wasting his entire day to help us. You DA MAN MIKE.

We hooked up the Zilla and got preliminary throw out the way after my G90's complained about sending 1200P to them but a quick call to Ken Whitcomb straightened out this one. You DA MAN as well Ken. :) :D ;)

Tim also fielded quite a few calls from me today and his patience has paid off. Thank's much Tim for the help big dog! :) :D

Thanks to Mike helping us, we also got this done today:

http://www.seriouspc.com/blend/screen/34.jpg

OH HELL YEAH BABY!!!!!!! THERE UP!!!!!!!!!

After the fourth attempt on the first G90 to get it to the ceiling, Arli looked and yelled "Can we take the ***king lenses off now!!!!!!!!!!"

Needless to say, after I abliged, we accomplished our goal. Even Mike was to the point of no return......... :D ;) :D ;)

More soon......

Cliffy

Looking good Cliff! Question, are you putting a center channel behind the SmX screen for the show? If so, (as you may already know) the center brace is going to be in the way.

Ruben

Yep Big Dog, it's coming out. No brace is even needed anywhere in the frame. The tension we are getting is AWESOME to say the least. My SVS PB12 Plus/2's are really gonna put this screen to the test and I'm looking foward to it.

The uniformity I'm seeing on the screen so far from the PJ's is OUTSTANDING and not only that but it has just ENOUGH punch to make it PERFECT.

I CANNOT WAIT to see flicks on this bad boy after the projectors are calibrated...... :)

Cliff

Cliff,
I'm excited for you. Your theater will be the way to escape from that crap out there and not need that pesky drug rehab thing. :D

Art

Get ready my Northern Bud....... it's coming..... ;)

I will have to say that you WILL be PLEASANTLY suprised. :D

So what kind of Wine should I buy for the meet Big Dog?

Cliffy