At the http://www.blu-ray.org/ website there is a picture of a $7000 Denon BRD-1
Blu-Ray Disc Player.

Is this for real or is it a paintshop fake?

Alex

At the http://www.blu-ray.org/ website there is a picture of a $7000 Denon BRD-1
Blu-Ray Disc Player.

Is this for real or is it a paintshop fake?

Alex


that picture is fake. I know a doctored picture when I see one.

That could be a fake, but it also has some very interesting logos on the front side-- DTHD, DTS-HD, THX-- and it has the BD logo in two places. It could be real. But $7000???

Considering the prices of some of their DVD players $7000 doesn't entirely surprise me. Asuming this turns out to be valid, of course...

Yeah the $7000 price tag kinda stopped me. You could buy one of each of the announced BD players and probably get a PS3 60GB off the 'bay for less than that. Heck, you could get one of each of the BD players AND the HDDVD Recorder Standalone imported from Japan for close to that price (or one of the announced BD Recorder standalones)

Denon is a BD company, right ???

I think Denon is part of both formats in partnership with Marantz. I forget the name of the joint company, something like DM Holdings.

Denon is a BD company, right ???
D&M Holdings (who owns the Denon and Marantz brands) is a member of the HD DVD promotion group and the Blu-ray Disc Association.

Looks like a HTPC case.

At the http://www.blu-ray.org/ website there is a picture of a $7000 Denon BRD-1
Blu-Ray Disc Player.

Is this for real or is it a paintshop fake?

Alex

This is totally fake :eek:

Okie dokie... My folks own a DVD-5910CI (http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3127.asp), which is available (or was available...) in silver.

This purported player is a mock of the silver version of Denon's DVD-5910. Second problem is the price. While Denon has sold some high end, expensive stuff, they have never priced a player anywhere near $7000.

Further, Denon is one of the many companies who has pledged neutrality. They have not formally or informally announced any player for either format, which is giveaway number three...

I find it quite convenient and very odd that "blu-ray.org" is the only place on the planet that has any knowledge of this device.

I'll believe it when I see it from CES next January, and / or when Denon makes their own press release.

Philips Electronics is one of the main shareholders of D&M (http://www.dm-holdings.com/) (Denon & Marantz).

Denon is Hitachi. So following the trail will lead to the realformat.

The only way this could be a real picture is if it is a prototype. For starters, the DTS-HD logo is wrong.

Philips Electronics is one of the main shareholders of D&M (http://www.dm-holdings.com/) (Denon & Marantz).

Not anymore.

Denon is Hitachi. So following the trail will lead to the realformat.

Incorrect.

Denon is D&M which was formed when Denon sold off to a (I believe Chinese) company and then bought Marantz from Philips. They aslo bought what was left of Sonic Blue (replay TV).

Not anymore.
:confused: That's not the information given on their web site (http://www.dm-holdings.com/eng/index.html).
Main shareholders:

RHJ International SA/NV
Koninklijke Philips Electronics N.V.
Bank of New York GCM Client Accounts EISG
State Street Bank and Trust Company 505019
Japan Trustee Services Bank, Ltd. (Trust account)
Nordea Bank Denmark US Collective Client Account
Credit Suisse Luxemburg SU Depositary Bank
Jack Liu Stock Option Account
Trust & Custody Services Bank, Ltd. (Trust account)
The Master Trust Bank of Japan, Ltd. (Trust account)

http://www.dm-holdings.com/eng/about/index.html

At the http://www.blu-ray.org/ website there is a picture of a $7000 Denon BRD-1
Blu-Ray Disc Player.

Is this for real or is it a paintshop fake?

Alex
At $7000, does it really matter whether it's fake or real??

Maybe it's a Sunshine BD player with Sony guts!

Yep - that's a fake picture.

It's not even well done - there are tons of square edges where they "cut and pasted" the front panel to make the unit bigger...

So the consensus is that its definitely a fake!

I thought so...but i just had to ask the question.


Although every player Blu-Ray Player announced so far except for the Samsung seems fake....after so many delays and false starts i wonder when i am going to see the mythical Pioneer, Sony and Panasonic Blu-Ray players....I hate this waiting game!!

Okie dokie... My folks own a DVD-5910CI (http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3127.asp), which is available (or was available...) in silver.

This purported player is a mock of the silver version of Denon's DVD-5910. Second problem is the price. While Denon has sold some high end, expensive stuff, they have never priced a player anywhere near $7000.

Further, Denon is one of the many companies who has pledged neutrality. They have not formally or informally announced any player for either format, which is giveaway number three...

I find it quite convenient and very odd that "blu-ray.org" is the only place on the planet that has any knowledge of this device.

I'll believe it when I see it from CES next January, and / or when Denon makes their own press release.

I agree with you this is too expensive to be true. I would put the pricing of a first Denon BD player at around 2000$

Denon is Hitachi.
NO, it's not. Better check your source again.

that picture is fake. I know a doctored picture when I see one.
What are the clues you see?

Samsung : $1000
Denon : $7000
Krell : $49,999

Sony BD movies : priceless ;)

What are the clues you see?

Not so much clues....but....

The face looks 'very' similar to the Denon 5910ci SD DVD player.
Buttons in identical locations, for the most part. The blu-ray, dts-hd,
etc. logos can easily be photoshopped.

I doubt Denon would manufacture a BD or HD-DVD player
with the same 'look' as their SD player line, IMO.

I don't believe Denon has confirmed any support for either
hi def format at this time.

There is NO way any initial offering will be 7 grand, IMO.

Not so much clues....but....

The face looks 'very' similar to the Denon 5910ci SD DVD player.
Buttons in identical locations, for the most part. The blu-ray, dts-hd,
etc. logos can easily be photoshopped.

I doubt Denon would manufacture a BD or HD-DVD player
with the same 'look' as their SD player line, IMO.

I don't believe Denon has confirmed any support for either
hi def format at this time.

There is NO way any initial offering will be 7 grand, IMO.
Your last point tops my list, but I'm not so sure that they wouldn't base it on already designed metal. The image is not of sufficient resolution for me to spot "flaws," but perhaps that's by design.

And. . why would they lie? :)

That thing is gigantic.

At the http://www.blu-ray.org/ website there is a picture of a $7000 Denon BRD-1
Blu-Ray Disc Player.

Is this for real or is it a paintshop fake?

Alex
I have very good (indirect) sources within Denon. The word is that this is totally bogus, they supposedly have no idea how such a picture got on the web, and they're going to demand it gets pulled. Denon hasn't committed to BR or HD yet, and an announcement like this (even if has some basis in fact) could mess up their relationships with the opposing camp and delay them from getting the tech specs for it should they be interested in supporting the other camp.

Does Denon still use Panny internals for its SD-DVD players? I thought at one point Denon DVD Players were just rebadged Panny's with some extras thrown in. (and about triple the price)

I find it amazing that the Mods leave this thread open. Its obviously a fake.

I find it amazing that the Mods leave this thread open. Its obviously a fake.

Well, then you've answered the OP's question... 'Is this real?'

So is there any new info on a BR/HD DVD player from Denon?

Has the picture been yanked? I just went there and saw nothing mentioning a Denon BD player...photochopped or otherwise.

Hopefully we'll see something from Denon soon preferrably a hybrid player although if they made a BR player I'd probably consider it.

Someone asked earlier about using the 5910 chasis for the blu-ray player. This is deffinitly something that they would do. They've done it before and there are currently doing it again. I am a Denon rep and can't reveal any "inside info" There are some awsome products coming from Denon from late July to late November. Just wait and see!!!!!!

No Denon is not Hitachi, as many argued about earlier. This is copy and pasted from dm-holdings website--

About D&M Holdings Inc.
D&M Holdings Inc. (TSE I: 6735) is based in Kawasaki, Japan and owns the Denon, Marantz, McIntosh Laboratory, Boston Acoustics, Snell Acoustics, D&M Professional, Denon DJ, ReplayTV® and Escient® brands. Denon, Marantz, McIntosh and D&M Professional are global industry leaders in the specialist home theater, audio/video consumer electronics or professional audio markets, with a strong and long-standing heritage of manufacturing and marketing high-performance audio and video components. Boston Acoustics, with its signature The Boston Sound, is a leader in premium loudspeakers for home and audio markets. Snell is a super premium speaker brand. The ReplayTV and Escient brands represent award-winning technologies in digital home entertainment. Additional information is available at dm-holdings website.

Denon and Marantz are registered trademarks of D&M Holdings Inc.; McIntosh is a registered trademark of McIntosh Laboratory, Inc.; Boston Acoustics is a registered trademark of Boston Acoustics, Inc. and ReplayTV and Escient are registered trademarks of Digital Networks North America, Inc.

I know beatboy's artistry when I see it!

Someone asked earlier about using the 5910 chasis for the blu-ray player. This is deffinitly something that they would do. They've done it before and there are currently doing it again. I am a Denon rep and can't reveal any "inside info" There are some awsome products coming from Denon from late July to late November. Just wait and see!!!!!!

No Denon is not Hitachi, as many argued about earlier. This is copy and pasted from dm-holdings website--

About D&M Holdings Inc.
D&M Holdings Inc. (TSE I: 6735) is based in Kawasaki, Japan and owns the Denon, Marantz, McIntosh Laboratory, Boston Acoustics, Snell Acoustics, D&M Professional, Denon DJ, ReplayTV® and Escient® brands. Denon, Marantz, McIntosh and D&M Professional are global industry leaders in the specialist home theater, audio/video consumer electronics or professional audio markets, with a strong and long-standing heritage of manufacturing and marketing high-performance audio and video components. Boston Acoustics, with its signature The Boston Sound, is a leader in premium loudspeakers for home and audio markets. Snell is a super premium speaker brand. The ReplayTV and Escient brands represent award-winning technologies in digital home entertainment. Additional information is available at dm-holdings website.

Denon and Marantz are registered trademarks of D&M Holdings Inc.; McIntosh is a registered trademark of McIntosh Laboratory, Inc.; Boston Acoustics is a registered trademark of Boston Acoustics, Inc. and ReplayTV and Escient are registered trademarks of Digital Networks North America, Inc.
I know I am not the only one who is anxious to hear about Denon Blu-Ray machine. Personally I would be happy for a 2930ci level player with Blu-Ray playback and advanced audio support.

Yep - that would be perfect 2930 level but I'd want it to support DTS HD and Dolby True HD.

I was hoping they might show off at least a prototype at the Hi End show in Munich where they showed off their new 4808, PrePro and Amp. For all I know they did show it but there was an NDA.

well a rep from Denon UK let slip that Denon are entering the BD market, but damed if i could pin him down on details, he then maintained the term, "what BD player"....

[QUOTE=kraigllevang]Someone asked earlier about using the 5910 chasis for the blu-ray player. This is deffinitly something that they would do. They've done it before and there are currently doing it again. I am a Denon rep and can't reveal any "inside info" There are some awsome products coming from Denon from late July to late November. Just wait and see!!!!!!

-- snip --

Kraig...thanks for the tipoff. I am sooooo anxious for a blu-ray version of the 3930ci. I just purchased a Blu-Ray Samsung 1200 which will go into the bedroom once a Denon model appears. Just in case you have any way of providing feedback to Denon...here's my wishlist:

1) Must have superb SACD capability (current 3930ci level DACSs).
2) Must support all resolutions, including PC resolutions (currently, the 3930ci again does this - many folks pump their DiDef material through a PC type monitor and need WXGA support).
3) Must include the very best sDVD scaler/deinterlacer (again 3930ci has it).
4) Hummmmmm...wirelessly hooking the player to the internet for automatic software/firmware downloads is an interesting concept. My new Samsung has a simplified version of this capability.

In other words...add Denon level quality Blu-Ray to the 3930ci and I will be on the list to buy one.

Many thanks for jumping in to this thread.

marcus

I have no insider data but I do have the following observation.

It makes NO SENSE for manufacturers like Denon to continue to sell expensive upscaling DVD players when game consoles are eating their lunch for high-end PQ. The latest PS3 firmware upgrade just makes it absurd for Denon to stay out of the nextgen market.

At this point, even if the format war ends soon, Denon will have lost all credibility and likely market share.

I have no insider data but I do have the following observation.

It makes NO SENSE for manufacturers like Denon to continue to sell expensive upscaling DVD players when game consoles are eating their lunch for high-end PQ. The latest PS3 firmware upgrade just makes it absurd for Denon to stay out of the nextgen market.

At this point, even if the format war ends soon, Denon will have lost all credibility and likely market share.
I disagree. Denon must be selling their upscaling models or they would not keep making them. Obviously, their high end models have never been the most popular models (sub-$100 players will always be the best sellers), but I'm sure they are making a profit on them. If you frequent the Standard DVD player forum, many people have the 2930 and 3930 models. And no, IMO the PS3 does not compare with the Denons for SD DVD PQ, even after the upgrade. That being said, I would love Denon to come out with a high def player (preferably a dual-format player).

I disagree. Denon must be selling their upscaling models or they would not keep making them. Obviously, their high end models have never been the most popular models (sub-$100 players will always be the best sellers), but I'm sure they are making a profit on them. If you frequent the Standard DVD player forum, many people have the 2930 and 3930 models. And no, IMO the PS3 does not compare with the Denons for SD DVD PQ, even after the upgrade. That being said, I would love Denon to come out with a high def player (preferably a dual-format player).If Denon came out with a full featured dual-format player...I'm there! :)

^^Agreed. Dual format with good upscaling and SACD/DVD-A, and I'm in as well. If they came out with a quality player that did all that, price I don't think would be an issue for many as they would know the player would be a quality product for years.

Denon did not show anything in Munich and there was no NDA. Regarding the UK rep... wishful thinking. All I can say is this, sit tight you'll all get your answers early september. ;)

Good info - did you actually get to go to the show?

7,000.00!!! :eek:

^What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know about this long ago but i though it is fake too? 7000$ dang, if true this is lab prototype , nothing else.

Good info - did you actually get to go to the show?

Me? Yes, I go there every year if possible. Only missed 2 shows in the last 11 years (which includes the ones in Frankfurt).
I wasn't that impressed this year. Very few systems actually sounded good. Isophon was top-notch as expected. Nordost had a nice demo of the new Odin cables. And it was simply too hot in most rooms this year, very few had air conditioning running.

Not impressed? So can you give us your impression of the Denon? Frankly those brands you mentioned must be out of my price range, I've never heard of them. I went to CES a couple of years ago and heard some phenomenal sounding stuff that was comlpetely out of my price range but it was wonderful to hear.

Regarding the UK rep... wishful thinking. All I can say is this, sit tight you'll all get your answers early september. ;)


Please dont let it be a HD-DVD standalone, i'll have to buy it, but if it must have HD-DVD let it be a combo.

Nah, Blu-Ray only is what needed .. :) But like the guys said, it needs to be a mature complete solution with the advanced audio support.

I probably would have bought a player from any company by now if they had the latest DTS and latest DD formats but frankly there are only a few discs out that have the good stuff. I doubledipped on far too many DVDs to go from crappy conversion to DTS - not doing that again (although in a fashion I am since I will rebuy many DVDs when they come out in HD with DTS HD.

Denon...it appears to me...is still a leader in top quality AUDIO reproduction. So, if they release a Blu-Ray player similar in quality to the 3930ci...I'm sure the pq will be there. But...to add the top quality audio would be sublime. I bought a Sammy 1200 and the pq is there...but heck they don't even talk about the audio side in terms of what's goin on inside the machine.

Speaking of format wars...how about Audio? We now have two flavors of both DTS and Dolby, each with unique cable/receiver requirements (ie, hdmi 1.3). Add UNCOMPRESSED PCM via analog out and it's a wonder if there's any room on the disk for the dang picture.

marcus

Speaking of format wars...how about Audio? We now have two flavors of both DTS and Dolby, each with unique cable/receiver requirements (ie, hdmi 1.3). Add UNCOMPRESSED PCM via analog out and it's a wonder if there's any room on the disk for the dang picture. Are you saying that BD titles have good audio but bad video? Emphasis mine, by the way.


fuad

Denon...it appears to me...is still a leader in top quality AUDIO reproduction. So, if they release a Blu-Ray player similar in quality to the 3930ci...I'm sure the pq will be there. But...to add the top quality audio would be sublime. I bought a Sammy 1200 and the pq is there...but heck they don't even talk about the audio side in terms of what's goin on inside the machine.

Speaking of format wars...how about Audio? We now have two flavors of both DTS and Dolby, each with unique cable/receiver requirements (ie, hdmi 1.3). Add UNCOMPRESSED PCM via analog out and it's a wonder if there's any room on the disk for the dang picture.

marcus
50Gb discs give you plenty of room for both pristine video and uncompressed audio. There is no need to put all of the available types of advanced audio formats on the same discs. IMO, PCM plus one of the compressed formats is what is needed.

The real Denon BD Player please stand up...
http://usa.denon.com/DVD3800BDCI_Front_G.gif

DVD-3800BDCI

$1,999.00

Experience high definition the way only Denon can deliver it. This advanced Blu-ray/DVD/CD player features the Realta sxT2 HQV processor and HDMI 1.3a for exceptional video quality and Deep Color support, and the Denon D.D.S.C.-HD circuitry for the highest level of audio decoding so you get master-quality sound with exceptional dynamic range.

Shipping February

If you want more details here is the PDF on it;
http://usa.denon.com/DVD-3800BDCILit_1219.pdf

Is it two times better than the Pioneer 95?
All I know is 2K is not enough to buy you an ethernet port, still no SACD nor DVD-Audio, so it better have superfast load time, incredible image and audio output. I does have Burr Brown DAC's :D

let it be folks, we all know what the real denon BD players look like now and they will be out in less than a month.


Closing.