thanks for the wisdom. very logical. Sounds like I am working thought the same thought process. I can afford either but would rather afford the lesser. I have more or less decided on the JVC but will give them each another look. I think your right about the upgraditis though.

regards,

also thanks to "briandx" for your input

I am in the same boat. Waiting for one more year for a "much better" 1080P projector, by then 1080 pj technology has reach its maturity compare to one year ago.

As rule of thumb, up grade your Pj at about 2 years time frame, that way you will get significant quality upgrade and save cost at the same time. That of course also depend on your bank account, rush and your wife approval. :p

And how offen you visit this forum !

Hi, i have TW1000 only few days and i found a strange problem i never read mentioned here. At least in combination with my dvd player(denon1910) i cant change the aspect setting in 1080i or 720p in tw1000s menu. It allows only the Normal setting. Therefore i can watch 4:3 movies only in 480p mode. How you watch 4:3 movies witn tw1000 from HD-DVD or Blue ray? Somebody watched Casablanca or Robin Hood HD on him? still this pj is huge step up compared to my former Hitachi TX100(contrast and blacks are from another world to TX100, and all the LCD artefacts are simly gone)

Another point to consider:

After holding out for over a year I purchased a Samsung 1200 BluRay player.

After hooking it up, setting the output to 1080p, and watching selected scenes from "Corpse Bride" all I can say is Wow! :eek:

It's only now that I can see the true resolving power of the Epson.

For those considering waiting: 2007 has been a landmark as far as price/performance ratios of 1080p projectors. In fact, i think this ratio has at least doubled from just a year ago.

I think that those who wait until 2008 will see a 10-20% drop in price, better CR, perhaps brighter, too. The overall increase in price/performance will be a lot smaller.

Of course i could be wrong! :rolleyes:

I think that those who wait until 2008 will see a 10-20% drop in price, better CR, perhaps brighter, too. The overall increase in price/performance will be a lot smaller.
I wonder if it's about time to start wondering if LCD is on its last legs. The D6 panel improvement was lackluster, and without DI technology these would be non-starters (IMO). Where does Epson and LCD tech go from here for the next-gen panels?

I wonder if it's about time to start wondering if LCD is on its last legs. The D6 panel improvement was lackluster, and without DI technology these would be non-starters (IMO). Where does Epson and LCD tech go from here for the next-gen panels?

I would hope they improve the iris. Less noisy and less visible. Also the fan noise could be dampened.

You do have a good point though about the panels. We will have to wait and see if they can pull another rabbit out of there hats? Sorry no pun intended :rolleyes: .

With the new PS3 1.8 firmware upgrade, which allowed 1080p24 ouput. I can finally confirm for sure that the EpsonTW-1000/Cinema 1080 definitely supports 1080p24 :)

I picked up my Epson Pro 1080p last night and after an hour or so had it hanging from my ceiling. I am very delighted. This projector is very quiet; at least for me compared to my Infocus 7200 and its high pitched color wheel whine.

The colors are so vibrant and the blacks are very dark (compared to the 7200 again--my frame of reference). Nice menu system. Lots of options for tweaking. I bought a Monoprice HDMI switcher (5x1) and have everything running to the pj via hdmi. Very cool. I watched a little bit of Blu-ray (Dreamgirls) through my PS3. Stunning. Once you get a taste for the HD discs it is hard to go back to SD.

I purchased a Toshiba HD-XA2 from Amazon to do HD discs and SD upconversion. Great price combined with the Planet Earth HD-dvds.

I am going to get everything tweaked, get all my questions answered and then get off these forums for a few years. Seriously, this is a dangerous place. Three months ago, I had no intention on upgrading...then I started hanging around here. It cost me! But I'm glad.

With the new PS3 1.8 firmware upgrade, which allowed 1080p24 ouput. I can finally confirm for sure that the EpsonTW-1000/Cinema 1080 definitely supports 1080p24 :)Ok, that's step one. The bigger question is that does the projector display the image with a frequency multiple of 24Hz i.e. is the 3:2 judder noticeably reduced?

Sorry to disagree with some of the folks here, but the demise of LCD has been greatly exaggerated IMHO. The DI issue is overblown, as unless you are in a near perfect dark environment, the BL /CR ratio of the Epson is more than satisfying.

I'll tell you this: I've owned front projection equipment for over 10 years. I've also seen 100+ front projection systems in homes and stores. The picture I saw last night watching POTC II on Blu Ray using my Epson was the best picture I have ever seen, bar none, on ANY system.

With the new PS3 1.8 firmware upgrade, which allowed 1080p24 ouput. I can finally confirm for sure that the EpsonTW-1000/Cinema 1080 definitely supports 1080p24 :)

i concur with ronaldlim too. My TW1000 also shows similar settings:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=851667&page=2 (in german)

briandx,
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I am floored by how great the picture is on this pj. I just can't believe I live in an age where I have a 110" image that looks this good. Freakin' amazing. I will not be nitpicking its weaknesses (I'm not even sure what they are). The blacks look black to me, btw.

For those with TW1000 and PS3, may i know what are your final PS3 settings with the latest firmware:

1) BD/DVD HDMI Output: "Automatic", "YCbCr", or "RGB"?
2) RGB: "Limited", or "Full"?
3) Super White: "On", or "Off"

Thanks

For those with TW1000 and PS3, may i know what are your final PS3 settings with the latest firmware:

1) BD/DVD HDMI Output: "Automatic", "YCbCr", or "RGB"?
2) RGB: "Limited", or "Full"?
3) Super White: "On", or "Off"

Thanks
I have the same exact questions for my PS3 with the TW1000.

I'm not sure if these are maximized settings but here is what I have on the PS3:

1) BD/ DVD HDMI output is Automatic
2) RGB if Full
3) Super White is on.

Question I have is to utilize the new PS3 setting of RGB over HDMI to full, do I need to turn Super White off on the TW1000 which allows for the "HDMI Video Range" to be changed to expanded? I get too bright of a picture when set to expanded and the colors all look washed out (even when turning the brightness down significantly). However, when I switch the range to "normal" it looks identical to "Super White On."

Any advise guys? What can I do to make sure with the latest PS3 update my PJ is utilizing the new settings available to get WTW and BTB picture?

Hi guys I am new to posting on this forum but have been reading the stuff on here for a long time now. It has helped me with a lot of decisions I had to make. I am looking to upgrade my bedroom to with a projector (Still in college and live with parents so it is the only room I can kind of turn into my theater room. I don’t know much about projectors. I have done a lot of reading on here and have decided on getting the Epson Home 1080.

The question I have is I will be sitting about 10 or 11 feet away from the screen, what would be a good size for that distance? I was thinking around 96"? And also what brand screen would people recommend buying. I have done a lot of research on screens but I would like to hear some recommendations from people who have the Epson.

Also my room will be light controlled I have no light coming in. I have my window covered so that no light will be coming in at all. All of my walls and ceiling are a regular white color. I was thinking of maybe painting the walls a darker color like a dark blue or black. Or should i just paint the wall with the screen on it? I mostly watch sports and play Xbox360 and watch movies (SD,HD, and Blu-ray). Just letting you guys know mostly what it will be hooked up for.

Thanks guys for all your help.
Andy

I have the same exact questions for my PS3 with the TW1000.

I'm not sure if these are maximized settings but here is what I have on the PS3:

1) BD/ DVD HDMI output is Automatic
2) RGB if Full
3) Super White is on.

Question I have is to utilize the new PS3 setting of RGB over HDMI to full, do I need to turn Super White off on the TW1000 which allows for the "HDMI Video Range" to be changed to expanded? I get too bright of a picture when set to expanded and the colors all look washed out (even when turning the brightness down significantly). However, when I switch the range to "normal" it looks identical to "Super White On."

Any advise guys? What can I do to make sure with the latest PS3 update my PJ is utilizing the new settings available to get WTW and BTB picture?

I would set the HDMI video range on the Epson to Normal rather than Expanded if you are using the projector to watch TV, DVD, HD-DVD or Blu-ray. Expanded is for connection to a PC. The video levels for a PC is different and the picture would look 'washed out" if you select Expanded to watch DVD or HD movies.

I also would not use Epson Super White. It is really just a gimmick that sets the maximun white level lower. It would be much better to set the white level yourself by using the "contrast" setting.

I have my HDMI video range set to EPSON Super White because I found the whites lose detail when I had it set to Normal in the HDMI Range setting on video that has a lot of bright detail (i.e. daylight window backgrounds, white baseball uniforms (see the pinstipes better), etc.). What I don't like about EPSON Super White, it also darkens the rest of the picture slightly. So depending on the movie orr TV show I switch them back and forth. I have brightness set to zero and contrast set at +15 with the low lamp setting. Using the EPSON Pro 1080 with a Stewart Firehawk G3 screen.

I picked up my Epson Pro 1080p last night and after an hour or so had it hanging from my ceiling. I am very delighted. This projector is very quiet; at least for me compared to my Infocus 7200 and its high pitched color wheel whine.

The colors are so vibrant and the blacks are very dark (compared to the 7200 again--my frame of reference). Nice menu system. Lots of options for tweaking. I bought a Monoprice HDMI switcher (5x1) and have everything running to the pj via hdmi. Very cool. I watched a little bit of Blu-ray (Dreamgirls) through my PS3. Stunning. Once you get a taste for the HD discs it is hard to go back to SD.

I purchased a Toshiba HD-XA2 from Amazon to do HD discs and SD upconversion. Great price combined with the Planet Earth HD-dvds.

I am going to get everything tweaked, get all my questions answered and then get off these forums for a few years. Seriously, this is a dangerous place. Three months ago, I had no intention on upgrading...then I started hanging around here. It cost me! But I'm glad.

I currently have the Infocus 5700, which just died (won't turn on), requiring a $550 flat-fee repair. As my lamp has about 900 hours on it I guess I will have to replace that too in the near future. So I am thinking of getting the Epson Home 1080p. As you have had the Epson now for a couple of days: anything about the Infocus you liked better?

I got my hands on one of these today for calibration. I was anxious to spend some time with it as it seems like it has some fairly sophisticated calibration tools and I wanted to see if they worked as advertised. They do.

Contrast/Lumens
I didn't get a chance to measure ANSI contrast, but the On/Off contrast was 1008/1 with auto iris off and 3300/1 with it on. The light ouput depends upon the Color Mode that you run it in. All readings are in the High Brightness mode.

Color Mode Lumens
Theater Black 2: 281
Theater Black 1: 314
Theater: 317
Natural: 314
Livingroom: 502
Dynamic: 896

The color was not even remotely accurate on either Livingroom or Dynamic. The only difference between the remaining Modes (except Theater Black 2) was that they invoked different user settings. Theater Black 2 had a lower black level, but less light output as well. I settled on Theater Black 1. Although the fan noise is higher, I think that for all but those with very high gain screens that the High brightness mode will be best.

User Settings
Tint: 0
Color: 0
Skin Tone: 3
Color Temp: 6500K
Sharpness: -3
Brightness: High

The Skin Tone adjustment is an unusual feature. It seems to affect the amount of green in the image. A setting of 3 seems to offer about the most neutral image.

Color performance
If there was ever a projector that benefited from professional calibration, then this is it. In the Advanced menu, the RGB Gains and Offsets allow you to dial in an almost perfect gray scale, but it takes some work. The default settings are not anywhere near close to accurate.



Could you post or pm me your calibration settings to use as a reference. I realize the each pj is different but would give some of us a good jumping off point.

Thanks !!!

I'd like your settings too. Please PM me if you would. Thanks.

Please don't just PM the settings - post them here for all of our benefit.

I had a 5700, which died after 3.5 years and with 900 hours on the lamp, and I just got the Epson Home 1080. Don't expect to be wowed: the picture is smoother and brighter, but not better with standard DVDs. Cannot say anything about HD - I am holding off until the format war is decided and I watch TV on a Westinghouse 42"

My setup: 12 feet throw distance, Momitsu V880, 88" Carada Classic Cinema White screen, totally light controlled room with Ralph Lauren taupe paint with black sand in it. Theater Black 2 and lamp set at bright.

One Of my favorite DVDs is Moulin Rouge. The setup on the DVD has a section that allows a quick calibration. The black level is set by making a drop shadow behind the letters THX just disappear into the background. I noticed that the drop shadow is not even visible with the Epson! Does this mean that the Infocus 5700 has better black levels than the Epson?

One Of my favorite DVDs is Moulin Rouge. The setup on the DVD has a section that allows a quick calibration. The black level is set by making a drop shadow behind the letters THX just disappear into the background. I noticed that the drop shadow is not even visible with the Epson! Does this mean that the Infocus 5700 has better black levels than the Epson?I believe the Epson doesn't pass BTB.

I believe the Epson doesn't pass BTB. Does this mean I lose shadow detail?

Does this mean I lose shadow detail?

No, it means it is more difficult to calibrate. Most sources don't have BTB signal in them, and even if they did, it's not visible once properly calibrated. Just use a disc or THX optimizer to calibrate your brightness and contrast and you should be ok.

I have no problem getting BTB on mine. Using HDMI on the XA2, I have both the player and pj set to expanded range (settings menu on the Epson) and get the drop shadow on the THX optimizer.

I have no problem getting BTB on mine. Using HDMI on the XA2, I have both the player and pj set to expanded range (settings menu on the Epson) and get the drop shadow on the THX optimizer.

Thanks - you were right! I changed the range and there it was. (not that I understand what BTB really means...)

I'm going to go out on a limb here. I have the new Epson HC1080 and have been a DLP fan for many years. I still have one that I will keep thank you! That said, I will have to say that this projector so blow aways any of the competition at virtually any price that I truly think DLP is the one that has to worry, not LCD. The C2Fine LCD chip trio is incredible. I never even use the auto iris. Colors are to die for. Black level is inky black and shadow detail is superb (the most detail I have ever seen). Now, take that for what it's worth. But, those who have been astounded by this projector know that Epson has really found something with their current C6 generation LCD configuration. It makes even the 2001 (animorphic) DVD look incredible (and that I have never seen). It shows fantastical skin tone on every problematic DVD I push at it. So, I am one happy camper and no bit of skepticism from anyone can vere me from this nirvana. To the nay-sayers I say go fish! ;)

Has it been 100% confirmed that this projector supports 1080p24 on HDMI yet? It still seems like its a bit iffy.

I'm going to go out on a limb here. I have the new Epson HC1080 and have been a DLP fan for many years. I still have one that I will keep thank you! That said, I will have to say that this projector so blow aways any of the competition at virtually any price that I truly think DLP is the one that has to worry, not LCD. The C2Fine LCD chip trio is incredible. I never even use the auto iris. Colors are to die for. Black level is inky black and shadow detail is superb (the most detail I have ever seen). Now, take that for what it's worth. But, those who have been astounded by this projector know that Epson has really found something with their current C6 generation LCD configuration. It makes even the 2001 (animorphic) DVD look incredible (and that I have never seen). It shows fantastical skin tone on every problematic DVD I push at it. So, I am one happy camper and no bit of skepticism from anyone can vere me from this nirvana. To the nay-sayers I say go fish! ;)

Just out of curiosity.... what DLP units have you owned?

I have not had the opportunity to see this unit in person (it was not shown publicly at CES) so I am interested as I have only owned DLP also... BenQ 8700+, InFocus 7210, & Mits HD1000U; all 720p models.

cjr1: I have been outputting 1080p/24 via my Samsung 1200 BluRay player and everything works just fine. In fact, I truly see a difference in motion judder when 24fps is turned on.

A second level tech at Samsung told me that 24fps capability is transmitted via HDMI from the projector to the player. If the video display does not support it, this option is "greyed out" on the player.

Regards,
Brian

cjr1: I have been outputting 1080p/24 via my Samsung 1200 BluRay player and everything works just fine. In fact, I truly see a difference in motion judder when 24fps is turned on.

A second level tech at Samsung told me that 24fps capability is transmitted via HDMI from the projector to the player. If the video display does not support it, this option is "greyed out" on the player.

Regards,
Brian

Thanks for the info. I think this projector will work our fine for me then. Just wanted to clarify the 24fps.

Hello have a problem of PS3 and 1,80 indicates however 23,90Hz! Have still easy bucking! Ask for assistance

I admit I blamed badly aligned lcd panels when I first saw color shifts in the pj´s internal ´pattern´image. More than the panels, it´s the optics and lens shift that cause it, and problems in focus too.

Here´s the best case set up for my unit when it stands on its own feet: adjust zoom to throw biggest image possible, lens shift downwards to the max, then left to the max.
This gives practically no chromatic aberration anywhere with vertical lines, horizontal lines are spot on at extreme left, and about 1,5 pixels worth off at extreme right (pink above, green below). Focus is very good everywhere.

Worst case set up is about opposite to the best, and gives good vertical alignment in the center, but at least 1,5 pixels off at both sides. Horizontal lines get almost 1 pixel more off everywhere. Focus, when sharp in the center, gets fuzzy to the sides.

There may be some effects to hot-spotting and picture geometry, but in my case all that was insignificant compared to less color fringing and better sharpness! Differences of this order may well be worth the effort.

Sorry to disagree with some of the folks here, but the demise of LCD has been greatly exaggerated IMHO. The DI issue is overblown, as unless you are in a near perfect dark environment, the BL /CR ratio of the Epson is more than satisfying.

I'll tell you this: I've owned front projection equipment for over 10 years. I've also seen 100+ front projection systems in homes and stores. The picture I saw last night watching POTC II on Blu Ray using my Epson was the best picture I have ever seen, bar none, on ANY system.

briandx
are you still happy with the epson over the mits? some are saying they think the iris is less visible now on the mits? what are your thoughts

My understanding, at least with HDMI, is that while it accepts 1080p/24 it will only display at 1080p/60.

Can anyone else confirm this?

Every review and thread i've found fails to mention whether the Epson can actually display 1080p/24 rather than just being compatible.

Can anyone else confirm this?

Every review and thread i've found fails to mention whether the Epson can actually display 1080p/24 rather than just being compatible.The unit I'm testing shows 24fps for both input and output. Tested with Panasonic BD-P1200 and Sony BDP-S1 Blu-ray players.

When I go to the input signal part of the menu it shows 1080p/24. Sorry if this is a dumb question - how do you test the output?

When I go to the input signal part of the menu it shows 1080p/24. Sorry if this is a dumb question - how do you test the output?Sorry, I was going by what my Sony Blu-ray player is reporting (thought it was the projector). Per their Web site...

"Next, there’s a proprietary lamp that provides consistent light from corner to corner, using the least amount of power, while 1080Perfect™ video processing offers full HD 1080p performance with 24fps and HDMI 1.3 compatibility."

I'm presuming the "compatibility" is for HDMI not 24fps. Are you thinking the Info screen isn't showing what is being output? All of the other projectors I have used have shown what is being displayed. I haven't done enough testing between the two settings to say one way or the other.

I assumed the info screen was showing the input rather than output - it shows 720p when being fed 360 games.

Having switched between 1080p/24 and 1080p/60 with various Blu-ray movies I can't see a difference in pans or with rolling credits - judder that was noticeable at 1080p/60 still seems to be there at 24. It'd be nice to get some form of clarification either way - if only to save me upgrading my receiver to one that passes 1080p/24 for no reason.

What would be the point of accepting a 24fps signal if you can't display it? It seems like there are no sources out there that only do 24fps, so wouldn't it make more sense to not support it at all?

That's what I thought - it makes no sense.

However, Epson HK just sent me this reply:

'Please be informed that the native resolution is 1080p and for TW1000 there
is no distinction among variations of frame rates.'

I take this to mean it doesn't display 1080p/24.

OK, let's try to end this debate and conjecture right now! :rolleyes:

First, the display menu option for 24fps on my Samsung 1200 is available (not greyed out). According to Samsung, if the receiving unit cannot display 24fps, the HDMI will tell the BluRay player this, and grey out the option.

Also, when I am watching a BD with the option turned, the PJ display shows a frequency of 23.97. Note that when the 24fps option is off on the 1200, the frequency is 59.97.

I think this clearly illustrates that 24fps is available on the Epson via HDMI.

Brian

Isn't being compatible with 1080p/24 and displaying it two different things?

There are various 720p projectors that accept 1080p/24 from a Blu-ray player, and show the frequency as 23.97 just as it does with the TW1000, they aren't displaying it though.

I've been toggling between 1080p/60 and 1080p/24 with various Blu-rays and haven't noticed any difference with the TW1000 - scenes with judder have judder (to my eyes anyways) at both settings.

OK, let's try to end this debate and conjecture right now! :rolleyes:

First, the display menu option for 24fps on my Samsung 1200 is available (not greyed out). According to Samsung, if the receiving unit cannot display 24fps, the HDMI will tell the BluRay player this, and grey out the option.

Also, when I am watching a BD with the option turned, the PJ display shows a frequency of 23.97. Note that when the 24fps option is off on the 1200, the frequency is 59.97.

I think this clearly illustrates that 24fps is available on the Epson via HDMI.

Brian

One of the first things I noticed when I watched the waterfalls on BARAKA with the Epson connected via HDMI: no judder, which I believe means that it displays 24fps...

I just read Shane Buetners's Epson review and he said it accepted 24fps BUT displayed at 60fps.
Presumably it frame rate converted internally up from 24 to 60.
He said this information came from Epson themselves (they always ask that these days).
He & Thomas Norton are some of the most reliable sources, for me.
The rest of the review was very positive indeed, though.
He didn't say anything about motion judder.

Nick

Have you got a link to that review, welwynnick?

Some form of confirmation would be nice.


I purchased the TW1000 as I wanted a pj to last 4 years or so and it seemed as future proof as anything else on the market at a very decent price - HDMI 1.3, 1080p etc. But I do notice judder and it does bother me.

The Pearl and JVC have this feature, and soon every pj under the sun will - it's a bit of a kick in the teeth if the TW1000 doesn't.

The display menu of the PJ shows what it is displaying, period. Every front PJ I have owned / auditioned has worked this way.

If it didn't, then you could not trust the display when it says 1125 lines of resolution.

It's pretty simple if you stop and think about it for a sec.

I thought it was the input menu - not the display.

No, it is the display menu.

So when i'm playing Wii games it displays 480p and doesn't upscale the signal to 1080p?

I just got this email from Epson HK:

'Dear xxxxx xxxxxx,

Thank you for your email.

Please be informed that the TW1000 takes 1080p/24 signals and converts to 1080p/60 for projection.

Best regards,

EPSON Technical Support
E-mail: techsupp@ehk.epson.com.hk'

Sorry, review is here:
http://www.ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/607epsonprocin/
The Epson will accept 1080p/24 sources, but according to Epson only displays at 1080p/60. Displays that can output 1080p/24 signals at 48Hz, 72Hz or 96Hz can provide a subtly smoother image by eliminating the "judder" associated with the 3/2 pulldown required to output film's 24p native images at 60Hz. This was otherwise a very positive review, and is making my choice even more difficult. My short list is getting bigger. I was going to get a Mits, but Shane's comments were pretty harsh. The Epson sounds like it, too, has effective video processing, but now the BenQ appeals for punch and brightness, and the Optoma for that and a processor that could be used with a separate display. Very confused now. They're all good, but each has a slightly different balance of attributes and drawbacks. There's nothing perfect.

Nick

I guess it comes down to how subtle the improvement 1080p24 gives is.

I'm very impressed with the TW1000 (my model actually broke, but Epson have superb support and a new one is on its way, no questions asked), but afaik it's the only 1080p model that doesn't support this feature. I've read that even some (cheap) 720p lcds support this feature - obviously downscaling to 720p/48, but judder free nonetheless.

tbh this all leaves me a little :confused: - rather an oversight on Epson's part it seems.

My $.02 as a 4 month Epson owner - I think the Buettner's review was about as dead-on as any I've read.

The main shortcoming of the Epson is its relative sharpness, but even then the picture is way sharper than my last PJ (Sony VPH-50). However, I think this review explodes the main myth that RS1 zealots would have you believe, that the overall CR and BL of this projector is poor as compared to the RS1 and other units. In fact, for real-world viewing conditions it should satisfy even the most discriminating owner.

Although I agree that the DI is seamless, I can hear it working on low lamp mode. Also, I much prefer the Mitsu 5000's motor-driven lens shift, zoom and focus. These settings on the Epson tend to drift a bit over time; once a month I spend 2 minutes re-setting everything.

However, overall this is a great unit, and for the price I'm glad I bought it.

Had my Mitsu 5000 not had horizontal banding issues and was not $1500 more expensive than my Epson, I would still have it. But no regrets here...

So when i'm playing Wii games it displays 480p and doesn't upscale the signal to 1080p?

Epson TW1000 is a fixed-pixel LCD projector with the native resolution of 1920 x 1080. No matter what resolution that you input to it, the resolution of the picture given by it will be 1920 x 1080; that is, the projector has internal scaler.

I thought as much.

I was mainly asking because a few posters above were suggesting the signal menu shows what is being displayed, which doesn't apear to be the case here.

I'll echo the comments above having come from an HS-51. Brightness and black levels are great with this pj. The only 2 issues I have with the Epson are the iris noise and mine has pretty bad color uniformity at the longest throw. They are sending a replacement unit and I'll report back. Sharpness is way better than my previous projector with HD material and about the same or slightly better with SD material. I believe a lot of the sharpness differences has to do with processing and the Mits is much better in this regard when sending the pj 1080i or other material. XA2 with 1080p out pretty much levels the playing field.

Cheers.

I have a geomtry question about this projector and I am hoping someone can help. I am getting a slight bow in the picture on the bottom of the screen that is not on the top. It is worse on the right side than the left. I have leveled the projector and it seems like it is near perfect and the screen seems level also. Is there anything I may be overlooking here? Or something I should be checking out? Anyone else having similar issues?

I tested a unit and all four sides were perfectly straight.

I also just read the review in UltimateAV

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/607epsonprocin/

and I respect that magazine and Shane Buettner greatly. I find the review quite fair, and accurate, except for one, HUGE aspect of it, and a second I will speak of later, both of which have me greatly concerned. I have to say that I completely at a loss to explain the biggest issue. From the day the first Cinema Pro 1080P started being reviewed and right through the the Cinema Home 1080P's release, commentary was almost centered on this projector being the brightest, and often by quite a margin, all of the sub $10k 1080P units.

Note this quote from projectorreviews.com from their recent review of the "Home"

"The Home Cinema 1080p's strengths that earn in our award, focus primarily on: Brightness (the brightest of the 1080p LCD projectors by a significant margin, and, important to many, the 1080p projector that produces the brightest image in it's brightest mode"

Now we have the review from Shane and UltimateAV stating "Compared to the better, and to be fair, more expensive 1080p projectors I've seen the Epson's image is noticeably softer and while the blacks are excellent the light output is noticeably dim. " That is followed later by "However, I can't downplay that its primary shortcoming- that soft image- is one that might well hold the trump card for many potential buyers."


Now I have seen the most of the 1080P contenders demoed many times (excepting the RS1, which, frankly, I can't afford anyway). Certainly, the Pearl and Epson I have seen the most as they were my two finalists. If the Epson is dimmer than the Pearl, and the Pearl is sharper than the Epson, then apparently pigs are flying too! That's about as believable. Surely, the Pearl has better contrast, but to say it's both brighter and sharper than the Epson should be a mistake only Stevie Wonder could make!

Again, please note earlier when I led off this post announcing my respect for this reviewer and UltimateAV. I have to "believe" they saw what they claim. My real concern now is whether Epson has compromised the standards of recent production in order to meet the much lower price points such that the performance is truly suffering to this degree.

Any other possible explanation???



John

Some people make the mistake of not setting the output scaling to 100% for the projector which compromises the sharpness. Whilst I don't know if this was the case, it may be.

The TW1000 is plenty sharp. This is a none issue.

As for brightness levels - maybe the reviewer was comparing best modes. The TW1000 can be very bright on light cannon settings, but on best mode, while bright enough, seems to be at a very similar level to most 1080p offerings. The Pearl i've seen was certainly conparable to my TW1000 in brightness when the lights were off and we were tweaking for the best possible image.

I think the two issues can be explained this way.

Brightness - Once calibrated the projector's light output drops further than most projectors (a very large percentage). Sure it's bright uncalibrated but if you want the best image from default settings it takes the biggest hit. Leaving you with a dimmer image than many of the other projectors such as the Pearl. It maintains more of its original brightness once calibrated.

Sharpness - The 3 LCD panels’ convergence goes a long way in determining how sharp the image looks and the lack of ANSI CR makes the image appear a little less sharp.

I saw both of the above when I tested a unit. Once calibrated with a brand new bulb it was barely bright enough for a 110” diagonal FireHawk. The convergence was off enough that sharpness suffers certainly to a degree. How much is hard to tell since I haven’t tested multiple units of the same projector.

I think the two issues can be explained this way.

Brightness - Once calibrated the projector's light output drops further than most projectors (a very large percentage). Sure it's bright uncalibrated but if you want the best image from default settings it takes the biggest hit. Leaving you with a dimmer image than many of the other projectors such as the Pearl. It maintains more of its original brightness once calibrated.

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We explained the huge drop in light output in our special TW1000 review. It has to do with the bad spectrum of the E-Torl lamp...

www.cine4home.de

There you can find calibrated lumens & contrast also...

Geman only, you need a translator


Best regards,
Ekkehart

We explained the huge drop in light output in our special TW1000 review. It has to do with the bad spectrum of the E-Torl lamp...I have already read the review. Very well done as usual.

Cine4home, I read your review and as usual was great, filled with technical details that others just don't cover. The only thing I have some question on is the color uniformity or shading.

The unit I have currently has very bad shading with a red tint on the left and blue/green on the right. This is when used at the longest throw. At a shorter throw, the shading is much better and barely noticeable. From your lumen measurements it appears you were near the shorter throw. I am wondering if you had a chance to look at this when set up for the longest throw.

I also noticed that the red flaring on the Epson lens depends a lot on focus and lens shift and can be minimized. The Epson lens is not as good as most others and I am concerned they cut corners on this. I have a 2nd unit inbound to test for shading and will report back.

Also, it may be possible with your tuning using dynamic or living room setting to improve upon the contrast and light output. Once again, great job!

Much thanks!

Some people make the mistake of not setting the output scaling to 100% for the projector which compromises the sharpness. Whilst I don't know if this was the case, it may be.

When you set the projector scaling to 100% is it normal to get the small black bars on the top and bottom for some sources? I do notice a huge increase in sharpness when it is at 100%.

One possible reason for the disparity in brightness measurements is that total light output varys considerably with zoom position. Some reviewers take this into account, but UAV don't appear to. However they DO take accurate contrast measurements with a screen very close to the PJ, so that white and black levels are much higher, and black can be measured much more accurately. I would have thought this would be a good opportunity to check brightness vs zoom position as well. Just a suggestion, guys...

Nick

I hope in the spirit of the PS3 firmware upgrade that now allows for BD playback at 24p, could we at least expect Epson to do a firmware update for the PJ to accept 24p?

I hope in the spirit of the PS3 firmware upgrade that now allows for BD playback at 24p, could we at least expect Epson to do a firmware update for the PJ to accept 24p?
It does accept 24 fps. It just unfortunately 3:2s it into 60. I imagine getting 24,48, or 92 output would require a hardware update.

It does accept 24 fps. It just unfortunately 3:2s it into 60. I imagine getting 24,48, or 92 output would require a hardware update.

Sorry, I should have rephrased that to state output 24 fps instead of 3:2 to 60.

I thought it was the input menu - not the display.

So when it shows 72Hz that means that the incoming signal is 72Hz but it is still displaying it at 60Hz? That has not been my understanding for monitor/display refresh rates...

Which screen, and most importantly what size, would be best for this projector, if viewing from 18ft away?

Any reason not to go for a 110inch screen.

It does accept 24 fps. It just unfortunately 3:2s it into 60. I imagine getting 24,48, or 92 output would require a hardware update.

I'm not sure a hardware update would be needed to output a multiple of 24 ... unless they are using a chipset where 60hz is hardwired instead being configurable by firmware.

Will it give an update of Epson for the 24p rendition?

Is there which new? 24p expenditure? Thanks

Is there which new? 24p expenditure? Thanks

Huh??? :confused:

For those of you with external scalers going to their Epson projectors, I would like you to try two things to possibly fix the 24p problem. First, try 24p over analog and see if the Epson still applies 3:2 pulldown. If it does, try setting the scaler to output in multiples of 24, like 48 or 72, and see if the Epson still converts the signal to 60 hz.

If I play Blu-ray or HDDVD, why is the signal at Menu-Information recognized as 1125P not 1080P?

Have I done anything wrong with the setting at Epson?

Any explanation? :eek:

If I play Blu-ray or HDDVD, why is the signal at Menu-Information recognized as 1025P not 1080P?

Have I done anything wrong with the setting at Epson?

Any explanation? :eek:

Don't worry about it. there is nothing wrong. 1125p is just another name for 1080p, they are exactly the same thing. Just like 525p is just the same as 480p. Unfortunately, Epson uses resolution naming scheme that confuses a lot of people.

Regarding brightness, I provided numbers for the various modes in the report of my calibration of this PJ.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10187266&&#post10187266

The brightest mode is almost 3 times brighter than the calibrated mode. Unfortunately, in that mode the color is not remotely accurate.

Don't worry about it. there is nothing wrong. 1125p is just another name for 1080p, they are exactly the same thing. Just like 525p is just the same as 480p. Unfortunately, Epson uses resolution naming scheme that confuses a lot of people.

Hi Roland,
It is possible that Epson refer this 1125P as 1080P video in PAL version ???

Is PAL HDTV in Progressive Scan even available ? :p

Hi Roland,
It is possible that Epson refer this 1125P as 1080P video in PAL version ???

Is PAL HDTV in Progressive Scan even available ? :p

No, Full HD resolution is 1080p(1125p) and is the same in both NTSC or PAL part of the world, unlike SD video, which is 480i/p(525i/p) for NTSC and 576i/p(625i/p) for PAL

No, Full HD resolution is 1080p(1125p) and is the same in both NTSC or PAL part of the world, unlike SD video, which is 480i/p(525i/p) for NTSC and 576i/p(625i/p) for PAL

Danke schoen Roland, you are most helpful in this thread as always. :)

Hello,

24p goes with pana 1000? Will the Epson times be able to do that?

Just noticed the English version of Cine4home's review has been posted. Thanks!

One quick question: Are all contrast ratio measurements "on/off" or are they from a mixed bright/dark scene? I assume they're not ansi. However the ansi numbers are probably similar to other current lcds anyway.

Hello,

24p goes with pana 1000? Will the Epson times be able to do that?

Nope. The TW1000 will accept 1080p/24 and convert it to 1080p/60 - which afaik makes it the only 1080p lcd pj that doesn't have this feature.

all people that have TW1000 and 1080p/24 possibility(mostly thrue PS3) say that with 24Hz the picture is fluid,with 60Hz is it not, if 24Hz would be converted to 60Hz it would be always the same. The aussie epson technicians that started this rumor know ****!

I had an TW1000. Feeding it 1080p/24 via the PS3 made no difference at all - scenes that suffered from judder at 1080p/60 looked exactly the same. These same scenes were smooth on my friends Pearl (and I imagine any other display that can properly display this signal).

Epson HK also confirmed that the TW1000 converts this signal to 1080p/60.

Epson which will make updates?

strange, at german forum beissamen.de at least 3 guys say, that they have perfectly fluid picture from the same source(PS3) with TW1000.

Is there which neuses because of the 24p?

I've made a lot of experiments trying to find out whether my TW1000 supports 1080/24 or not.

Yeah, it really supports, BUT....
it does NOT refresh at 24/48/72 etc Hz.
I tried it with PS3 (fw1.8) and from my PC setting 48HZ refresh rate.
Swithing on/off 24fps support from PS3 showed absolutely no judder elimination. :confused:

The only thing to make it project judder-free is to do the trick with speeding up media to 25fps using ReClock and setting the PJ to refresh at 50Hz, but it can be done only from PC. (can't post the link yet).

How could Epson do this, I mean all specs point at 1080@24 support but the real thing it supports but not refreshes.

I am very disappointed about that, because TW1000 is sharp, well black-balanced, rich colored and I like it very much.

God I wish the firmware (if such exists for projectors) to make it refresh at 24/48/72 Hz.

I did search this thread and the forum for over an hour with nothing substantial as far as an answer is concerned.

Does this projector support 1080p over component and/or VGA?

Thanks.

Troy

I couldn't get 1080p to work over component.

That's odd, I was able to get 1080p over both component and VGA from my Xbox 360 with this projector.

Thanks Seanraf. Is the picture over VGA distorted like mentioned in earlier parts of the thread?

Troy

Hello, I am very interested in purchasing a 1080p projector, and have found out that this Epson fits closest to my needs. Although I am really poised to buy one, I ask if there are any cheaper alternatives to this ?? Or is there any website I can find this projector for a cheaper price range ( 2300 - 2500 ) The cheapest i have found was on ebay for around 2600. I'll even go with refurbished if they are available. I am also interested in hooking this projector up to my HTPC, would this be possible ?? Thanks for everything.

Thanks Seanraf. Is the picture over VGA distorted like mentioned in earlier parts of the thread?

Troy

Not from the 360. Remember, the problems stated earlier in this thread were about the text output from a PC over VGA.

I have this projector, but no 1080P source yet...should I be worried about the 24fps thing?

Hi, :)

I can actually have a good deal with a brand new unit Epson TW-1000 (half price). :)
I own an "old" BenQ 8700 (Dlp 1280x720) and I'm planning to change it for a 1080p Lcd unit (my young daughter is starting to look anime movies and I don't want her to be bothered by dlp problems such like headaches...).

Do you think I will feel a big upgrade from my BenQ 8700 to this Epson TW1000, especially in sharpness and contrast ?

Thanks again. :)

Greetings,

New member here tryingt o figure out what happenned to my PJ. It has beenvery solid and impressive for me for the last 8 months or so until today i played around with the modes and changed it to dynamic.

Turned it off and back on, and i got an error saying auto-iris error, please call epson dealer.

I did some searching and see this error has been seen before. ANyone here witnessed this error? What should I do?

Is there a way I can get the thing to work with the error? maybe switch it back with a reset?

Thanks in advance, this seems like a great resource.

Greg

Greetings,

New member here tryingt o figure out what happenned to my PJ. It has beenvery solid and impressive for me for the last 8 months or so until today i played around with the modes and changed it to dynamic.

Turned it off and back on, and i got an error saying auto-iris error, please call epson dealer.

I did some searching and see this error has been seen before. ANyone here witnessed this error? What should I do?

Is there a way I can get the thing to work with the error? maybe switch it back with a reset?

Thanks in advance, this seems like a great resource.

Greg

Greg,

My Epson Pro Cinema 1080 just gave me the same message. Did you ever find out if there was a fix or will it need Epson repair?