Since SED has been dead for so long there's nothing to post but OT.

Okay, SED is certainly quiet lately. Will it come back to life? I certainly hope so. If it does, will I be able to afford one? Probably not.

In any case, for those of you who are interested in the technology rather than just annoying each other, here's a link to an in-depth paper that was presented at Asia Display 2007.

SED vs FED (http://www.sed-tv-reviews.com/technical-comparison-between-sed-tv-and-fed-tv.html)

OK the linked presentation is by the same Texas company?

Or is it just a coincidence that the authors of the study are from Texas?

It's not Nano Proprietary?

The company which wrote the SED vs FED paper is Applied Nanotech, Inc. (http://www.appliednanotech.net/) and is a subsidary of Nano Propreitary, Inc (http://www.nano-proprietary.com/). Also one of the authors of that paper (Dr. Zvi Yaniv) is both the COO of Nano Propreitary and the CEO of Applied Nanotech. For anyone curious here is some information (http://www.nano-proprietary.com/About/BoardOfDirectors.asp) on the people behind the two companies that was on their website.

I figured it was something like that.

Instead of hyping SED, they should be explaining how they bungled the prospects for SED coming out sooner with their greed.

SED was not coming out, regardless. Canon was looking for a way to save face, and drop the project. Save face, is very important, in their culture. Look at the backpeddleing that went on long before the case was decided. They kept backing away from one prior statement after another. They announced that it was going to be very expensive. Then they announced that they were only going to make them for business usage, and not consumer models.

Finally, when they suspended operations, they admitted that they had not even developed the technology that would permit them to mass produce the product. So even had they won the court case, or settled, they admitted that they still had not figured out how to manufacture the product. If you can't do that, you are not in the game.

Okay, SED is certainly quiet lately. Will it come back to life? I certainly hope so. If it does, will I be able to afford one? Probably not.

In any case, for those of you who are interested in the technology rather than just annoying each other, here's a link to an in-depth paper that was presented at Asia Display 2007.

SED vs FED (http://www.sed-tv-reviews.com/technical-comparison-between-sed-tv-and-fed-tv.html)

Thank you for posting that.

By reading about SED and even FED, you will have to agree with me, SED is so vastly superior to what we have today. The 8g doesn't quench my thirst for this technology. SED, if it gets to the market, will blow everything away, there is nothing like it.

SED may not be dead after all. Stay tuned. Sources are talking.

SED may not be dead after all. Stay tuned. Sources are talking.

Now that's just mean.......;)

SED may not be dead after all. Stay tuned. Sources are talking.

Why isn't this man some where paying homage to his god Kuro instead making mockery of such as great technology like SED.

Why isn't this man some where paying homage to his god Kuro instead making mockery of such as great technology like SED.Auditor, old buddy old pal... I was just thinking of you & the many outrageous posts you have a proclivity to make. Guess what? I bought a 150FD too! :)

The SED insiders are playing it close to the vest, and still have not made any recent revelations on what they are going to do. That is usually a clear sign that something is in the works. Stay tuned.

Can these insiders and their minions produce a 60" consumer display? How much will it cost? What is the time frame, between now & never? :D

By the time a teeny tiny 50" SED monitor hits the market, Pioneer will be selling 3rd, 4th, 5th? generation 70" - 80" Kuro Elite PDPs for less. :)

SED technology always looked great on paper... but will never become reality in the consumer's home. ;)

Can these insiders and their minions produce a 60" consumer display? How much will it cost? What is the time frame, between now & never? :D

By the time a teeny tiny 50" SED monitor hits the market, Pioneer will be selling 3rd, 4th, 5th? generation 70" - 80" Kuro Elite PDPs for less. :)

SED technology always looked great on paper... but will never become reality in the consumer's home. ;)

As long as the Kuro is a PDP it will always be an inferior display techology to SED, I don't care how many generations it goes through. You can't make a horse a superior form of transportation than a car no matter how many times you dress it up.:(

Kuro is the car. SED is the dead horse that only the deluded keep flogging.:)

The problems with current display technologies would be a thing of the past when SED comes to the market.

While listening to a CNET Review of the 5080 Kuro, the review gave the set high marks, however it failed in comparison to other flat panel in the area of color accurary.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/pioneer-pdp-5080hd/4505-6482_7-32476901.html?ar=o&tag=pdtl-list

You see, little pet peeves and display technology annoyance will never be mentioned again with a display technology like SED.:)

Kuro is the car. SED is the dead horse that only the deluded keep flogging.:)


No, the Kuro is the end of advancement and civilization as we know it. The word Kuro means the end of times, go read about in the bible.:D

You see, little pet peeves and display technology annoyance will never be mentioned again with a display technology like SED.:)

You can't make comments like that. You have no idea what will happen when/if it is actually comes out. It might end up being plagued with problems/issues. Until something is actually manufactured comments like this really show why so many people riddicule you/SED. I for one truly hope it does, and if it does, I will be in line (assuming I don't have to mortgage the house). However, until it comes out, we will never know.

I,like many saw the SED set pictures and got very excited.This was definitely going to be my new set upgrade from my five year old 433cmx.But it never showed up and Im getting old so next year I will happily buy a 9g Pioneer kuro elite and enjoy.If in a few months the SED shows up with better pq and is affordable I will consider it.If not I will get the kuro unless another manufacturer comes out with something better.Its all about the best pq for the lowest price point.Who cares if its a SED,Kuro,Olead,Panny or something not named yet.There is no more discussion needed.

I'm very hopeful that when I can finally buy a flying car, that the kids will have 2 little SED screens on the back of the headrests. They love inky blacks as much as the next kid, and you can never be sure of the bias lighting when traveling.

I'm very hopeful that when I can finally buy a flying car, that the kids will have 2 little SED screens on the back of the headrests..
Here's Auddi and his family, getting ready to watch some SED :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFbuulDiM_U&mode=related&search=

As long as the Kuro is a PDP it will always be an inferior display techology to SED, I don't care how many generations it goes through.If the insiders actually build a 60" SED TV or monitor someday, IYO... how much will it cost?

SED may not be dead after all. Stay tuned. Sources are talking.

Anything? Or was this just wishful thinking on your part? What "sources" are you talking about?

I'm genuinely interested if there is going to ever be any movement on this technology, but it sure doesn't seem that way.

Canon has not said anything in months, and they have not done a demo at any of the 2007 electronics shows around the world.

Who knows what they are up to now. Perhaps their grand plan is to just wait it out until every other flat panel technology now available, and others that are due to come along, have run their course, and then they will have the field all to their selves with their "perfect SED".
What the hell, if Canon sat out the TV business since it first started until now, they can always wait another sixty years or more before prematurely jumping in.;)

Sony spinoff plans high-end FED monitors for 2009 (http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/10/04/fed/index.php)
4 October 2007

A company spun off from Sony is developing a line of monitors based on FED (field emission display) technology, which offers faster response times, consumes less power, and produces warmer, more realistic images than is possible with other flat-panel technologies.

Field Emission Technologies plans to ship a line of high-end professional FED video monitors in 2009, said Norihito Nishimoto, a spokesman for the new company. The monitors will be offered in a range of sizes up to 32 inches, he said.

The company showed off several 20-inch FED prototypes at the Ceatec exhibition in Chiba, Japan.

Sony once pinned its hopes for flat-panel televisions on FED technology.

In 2004, Makoto Kogure, then president of Sony’s television group predicted FED televisions were just around the corner.

“Technology-wise, with no business or investment issues, in two years it’s easy [to produce a commercial FED],” said Kogure, who is now Sony’s corporate executive in charge of product quality and safety.

But slow development and advances in other display technologies led Sony to ditch FED technology in favor of LCD and OLED (organic light-emitting display) screens. Sony unveiled the world’s first OLED television this week, an 11-inch model that will go on sale in Japan this December for ¥200,000 (US$1,740.50).

FED technology is similar in some ways to older CRT (cathode ray tube) technology: phosphorous dots are bombarded by streams of electrons that cause the dots to become illuminated. But unlike CRTs, which use electrons beamed from a single source and deflected to cover the entire screen, FED uses an array of emitters directly opposite the color pixels.

In addition to consuming less power and producing better colors than LCDs, FED also supports faster frame rates. At Ceatec, Field Emission Technologies showed off an FED display running at a rate of 240 frames per second — twice the number that can be handled by the latest models in Sony’s Bravia line of LCD televisions.

In December 2006, Sony spun off its FED research group as Field Emission Technologies, and sold a stake to TechGate Investment Inc.’s Technology Carve-Out Fund. The fund now holds 64.5 percent of the company.

Field Emission Technologies claims FED screens can be produced more cheaply than LCDs because they do not require a backlight. In addition, FED screens can use the same driver as an LCD.

The only problem is that Field Emission Technologies does not have a production line for its displays, and startup costs for a line will initially drive up prices, Nishimoto said. He declined to comment on the company’s plans to build a production line.

With Toshiba moving to OLED (http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/13/30-inch-oled-tv-from-toshiba-in-2009/) for 2009, things must seem very lonely at Canon's SED development team. If anybody is still there, that is.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/06/sed-and-fed-tvs-might-be-getting-cheaper/

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/06/sed-and-fed-tvs-might-be-getting-cheaper/

Always keep the dream alive:D

Canon shovels the dirt over SED corpse.

http://www.displaydaily.com/index.php



SED ends, Not with a Bang but a Whimper
November 15th, 2007

Yesterday, Daniel den Engelsen (of Southeast University, Nanjing, and ABINFO, Brazil, among other affiliations) delivered a closely reasoned, highly entertaining, and exceedingly well-informed presentation at LatinDisplay 2007 here. His topic? "The Temptation of FEDs." His conclusion? That although several aspects of FEDs are tempting in principle, all who yielded to those temptations over the last 25 years failed to produce a commercially viable display and lost a lot of money - and that pattern is unlikely to change. Daan worked on FEDs at Philips and knows whereof he speaks.

Ken Werner
Senior Analyst and Editor

Before, during, and after Daan’s talk there was lively speculation about the fate of Canon’s SED program. Unknown to most of the people engaged in those discussions, Canon had just made an announcement that probably marks the end of its SED program.

In a November 13th press release issued in Tokyo, Canon announced that its Board of Directors had agreed to acquire a majority interest of Tokki Corporation and make Tokki a consolidated subsidiary of Canon. One of Tokki’s businesses is the development, design, manufacturing and marketing of production equipment for organic LED displays (as well as thin-film solar panels).

The press release quotes Canon’s global corporation plan, launched in 2006, which says that, in addition to "securing the overwhelming number one position worldwide in all current core businesses, Canon is focusing on the launching of display operations as a new business. As one of the initiatives in these efforts, the company is diligently working to develop organic LED elements and process technologies targeting the application of an organic LED display product."
HDTV Expert

Tokki has lost money for the last three years, and is "in financially challenging circumstances," according to Canon. But Canon thinks that adding Tokki to the corporate stable will allow Canon to significantly speed up development of OLED displays, and create synergy with Canon subsidiary Canon ANELVA, which manufactures vacuum and thin-film processing equipment.

Tokki has agreed to Canon’s tender offer, and the two companies signed a capital alliance agreement on the 13th.

In past discussions of displays by Canon, it was SED that was front and center. In Wednesday’s release, SED wasn’t even mentioned. Talk about going out with a whimper. But this whimper is long overdue.

As far as OLEDs are concerned, at least we know it’s possible to make them in quantity, unlike SEDs. Whether Canon can make and sell a competitive product remains to be seen, but we can be sure Canon Chairman and CEO Fujio Mitarai will not be satisfied with making 2-inch cell-phone displays. His dream for SEDs was to include them in Canon-branded TV sets. The display technology may have changed, but I will bet you a martini to a peanut that Mitarai-san’s dream of a Canon TV has not.

Good job, Nano Proprietary.

Good job, Nano Proprietary.

Unfortunately the world is not ready for perfection:(

Good job, Nano Proprietary.

They were penny wise but pound foolish.

Unfortunately the world is not ready for perfection:(


If Canon produces an OLED display product, that would be a bit better than their last try at perfection :p

- Rich

If Canon produces an OLED display product, that would be a bit better than their last try at perfection :p

- Rich

The good thing about OLED is that the patent is not owned by a backwards little company in Texas, otherwise Sony, Canon and Samsung would be headed towards the court room.

It doesn't make good business sense that the Nano company would hang a patented technology that could be bringing in a royalty. Granted, Toshiba/Canon tried to play fast and slick, but the Nano people won renegotiation of the patent license. They couldn't sit down and negotiate a new license contract with Canon and Toshiba at a royalty rate that would yield a market viable product? One might even go so far as to suggest that "someone" received under-the-table encouragement from "someone else" to scratch that possibility. Stockholders in any of the three companies might want to know.


The Green movement is increasingly successful (it's become mainstream) in attacking stubborn greedy businesses that defile our health and environment. What sort of a "movement" would it take to attack the obstruction of superior innovative technology?




cablenest

It doesn't make good business sense that the Nano company would hang a patented technology that could be bringing in a royalty. Granted, Toshiba/Canon tried to play fast and slick, but the Nano people won renegotiation of the patent license. They couldn't sit down and negotiate a new license contract with Canon and Toshiba at a royalty rate that would yield a market viable product? One might even go so far as to suggest that "someone" received under-the-table encouragement from "someone else" to scratch that possibility. Stockholders in any of the three companies might want to know.


The Green movement is increasingly successful (it's become mainstream) in attacking stubborn greedy businesses that defile our health and environment. What sort of a "movement" would it take to attack the obstruction of superior innovative technology?




cablenest

I hear you.

Remember, there is company out that claimed they had a SED killer:rolleyes:

I hear you.

Remember, there is company out that claimed they had a SED killer:rolleyes:

You are right, SED was not murdered. It committed suicide :p

- Rich

You are right, SED was not murdered. It committed suicide :p

- Rich

And you're happy about it:(

And you're happy about it:(

Nope, not really. But I was never an apostle, so I have moved on ;)

- Rich

Nope, not really. But I was never an apostle, so I have moved on ;)

- Rich

what have you moved on to?

what have you moved on to?

My next display will be a 70+ inch plasma what has the black levels equal to or better than the current Pioneer. I promised my wife to keep a display at least 3 years.

I would like a projector for movies but that fails the WAF.

- Rich

What other prospects does NPI have for their precious patents?

You can't ask for a better product than consumer electronics these days, as a way of getting patent royalties on their supposed IP.

What will probably happen is some other display tech will come along and become a huge hit. Then NPI will sue for patent infringement.

That's about all they have left, is to become a patent troll.

Nano better have other products, non display products, ready to move on. Or they may not be long for this world.

My next display will be a 70+ inch plasma what has the black levels equal to or better than the current Pioneer. I promised my wife to keep a display at least 3 years.

I would like a projector for movies but that fails the WAF.

- Rich

So who makes a 70+ inch plasma with equal to or better blacks than the current Pioneers? Or are you referring to some unannounced future product? At that size I'm sure it'll be well over $10k.

So who makes a 70+ inch plasma with equal to or better blacks than the current Pioneers? Or are you referring to some unannounced future product? At that size I'm sure it'll be well over $10k.

I do not know, but whoever does that for <$10K has my money.
I think we will see some at CES though (speculation).

- Rich

black levels equal to or better than the current Pioneer

Let me guess, you mean Kuro?

I do not know, but whoever does that for <$10K has my money.
I think we will see some at CES though (speculation).

- Rich

Let me guess, you mean Kuro?

Yes. Equal or better than the Kuro.

- Rich

Plasmas are gradually losing market share to LCD.

How much longer will Pioneer and Panasonic continue to push plasmas?

Do they have some alternative in the pipelines? Haven't heard about either company looking at OLED for example.

As long as people have brains there will always be a minute small minority of individuals which are willing to spend the money to buy superirority.

If Plasma does fail there will be another techology that will capitalize on LCDs shortcomings even if 99% of the world is content with them.

Why of the big electronic companies like Sony and Samsung so afraid of SED?

If Sony jumped into SED they would dominate the display technology universe. They are dropping RPTV for flat panel LCD. Having the foresight, they long ago dropped plasma. So now that leaves them LCD. Why not SED?

Sony haven't had a great product since the Trinitron. SED would bring them back. It would destroy all other flat panel LCD's and plasmas. They could corner the market. They could have the mass market display of choice, LCD, and the high performance display technology for videophiles and the professional world.

At first I thought the Kuro would set display technology back for years. But if you really look at, if folks are spending megabucks for an outdated technology, that opens or a door way for the introduction of a new and vastly superior technology like SED. I believe there is a market for high perfomance displays, the Kuro have at least proven that.

Memo to Sony:

Please take a hard look at SED. SED would return to Sony to its former glory and the best display manufacturer in the world.

Sony is producing OLED displays.
There is no reason to believe that they are necessarily inferiror to SED.

- Rich

Sony is also demonstrating a FED 19inch panel, and they are aiming to have it on the market in 2009.

I started a thread on it, back some time ago. I do not understand why OLED is getting so much attention, while Sony is already showing a larger FED display. Read all about it here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=951041

Wasn't Sony also investing in something called GLV or something like that?

It may not have been a flat-panel display.

Looks like they didn't do much with SXRD this year.

As pointed out by the previous two posters - Sony is producing OLED displays and is probably the most likely candidate to bring a FED to market. But both of these technologies are still years away. LCD and PDPs will continue to get better and cheaper. So - whether people will pay a premium at that point to buy something that may only be marginally better is an open question - and if they don't, then there may never be a market big enough to get to the economies of scale that could allow for the new technologies to really compete.

I guess at best - OLED and FED will be available for super premiums to very high end videophiles until sometime close to the year 2015 - so I wouldn't spend any time worrying about it now and enjoy the incredible sets that Pioneer, Sony, Panasonic and Samsung are producing right now.

Wasn't Sony also investing in something called GLV or something like that?

It may not have been a flat-panel display.

Looks like they didn't do much with SXRD this year.

Sony recently announced that they are getting out of the Rear Projection market. They are going to sell off the current inventory, and concentrate on Flat panel development and marketing.

It will be interesting to see if Dark chip 4 makes much of a difference in DLP blacks.

Make the LEDs with more light output and with Dark chip 4 DLP might be half way decent.

It might make sense in a 70+ application because LCD and Plasma will continue to cost out the wazoo in sizes that big.

How exactly did SED technology all of a sudden die? It was in development since 1986! I don't understand what went wrong. Couldn't they ramp up production with reasonable costs? Couldn't they correct something that was wrong with the prototype seen at CES? Why did everything just fall apart?

How exactly did SED technology all of a sudden die? It was in development since 1986! I don't understand what went wrong. Couldn't they ramp up production with reasonable costs? Couldn't they correct something that was wrong with the prototype seen at CES? Why did everything just fall apart?

Canon announced that they were suspending SED R&D "Indefinitely". They lost a small patent infringement lawsuit, but also said that they had not developed the production technology that would let them mass produce the panels at a reasonable production cost.

I think Canon just used the minor lawsuit loss as a way to save face, very important in their culture, and really were not able to mass produce a viable product.

At a fairly recent technology seminar they stated that they were investing in OLED and did not even mention one word about SED, so it looks like Canon just wants to let it die a quiet death. Like I said; looks like they failed, and are trying to save face.

I think that the CIA determined that if SED did come to fruition that Auditor55 might take over the world so they stopped it.

That's too bad about SXRD then.

Looks like we're stuck with LCD, which is a step back in PQ.

How exactly did SED technology all of a sudden die? It was in development since 1986! I don't understand what went wrong. Couldn't they ramp up production with reasonable costs? Couldn't they correct something that was wrong with the prototype seen at CES? Why did everything just fall apart?

As said many times, it was SED suicide. :eek:

Canon signed a partnership agreement, today with Panasonic and Hitachi display, to develop OLED displays, initially for cell phones and other small form factors. Sony announced the availabilitiy of OLED 11" in the US, today. Price is about what my wife's 1971 auto Pinto ran Christmas of 1971. Articles from the experts peg 2015 before OLED will be competitive with LCD in larger form factor. Canon reps are spreading the NNPP is on the way to bankruptcy rumor. FED contains technologies held in Nano's patent portfolio. Who knows?(maybe need to call Mark Cranston).:D

It would be interesting to see who, if anyone (& I'm sure it'll be someone), bids on/buys those FED/SED patent rights. Funny if Canon doesn't even bid on them. I doubt that particular technology is going anywhere with anyone. Assuming, of course, that Nano really is going down the tubes. Or maybe they'll just sell off part of their portfolio to survive.

I doubt that particular technology is going anywhere with anyone.

That means we're stuck with plasma and lCD:eek:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=ayVYAOUI.ul0&refer=japan
Canon to Develop SED TVs Using Own Technology, Asahi Reports

By Patrick Rial

Dec. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Canon Inc. plans to develop surface-conduction electron-emitter display, or SED, televisions using its own technology, the Asahi newspaper reported, without saying where it obtained the information.

Canon has been involved in a patent dispute with U.S.- based Nano-Proprietary Inc., which prevented the Japanese company from putting SED flat-panel televisions on the market in 2007 as originally planned, the newspaper said today.

The company has started the development of a new electron- emitting technology that should be more stable than Nano- Proprietary's, the Asahi said. Canon now aims to mass produce the televisions, according to the report.

That means we're stuck with plasma and lCD:eek:

Its too bad SED never made it, Good thing OLED is already being sold in japan already and the panels look great. OLED flat panals are super expensive but wow, they do produce a picture that looks even more promising than SED, so maybe its a good thing SED died, Looks like OLED is the furture.

OLED will always be too micr small and will always cost 10 trillion dollars--it even has less chance of making it than SED did.

In Japan they can sell 1-inch TVs--that doesn't work in America!

Canon want to make SED-TV with there own technology!? Does this mean that Canon needs 3-4 years to be ready to make mass produce? Or does that mean that I have 2008 my SEd-TV?

Canon want to make SED-TV with there own technology!? Does this mean that Canon needs 3-4 years to be ready to make mass produce? Or does that mean that I have 2008 my SEd-TV?

i take it you read the latest sed news right? well i too would want info lol man where is everyone!!!! but im almost too sure that it will not hapen this year as to see sed tv....

question in mind is will the quality still be as good?

oh and its been noted that sed is far superiour then any current or oled technology as far as picture quality wise ......

Hi Thanks for your fast answer! Many people said that SED-TV is dead! But i don´t believe that Canon throw away SEd-TV after so much invests!
What do you think about this message:?
http://www.oled-display.info/rd-ip-llc-developed-technology-for-reducing-manufacturing-costs-of-fed-tv-and-sed-televisions

OLED will always be too micr small and will always cost 10 trillion dollars--it even has less chance of making it than SED did.

In Japan they can sell 1-inch TVs--that doesn't work in America!

Don't they already have an OLED 11 inches going? Sure it costs about the same as a hi-end large plasma or LCD... but I hear the image is spectacular.

OLED is the future as far as I am concerned. Its what SED wish it could've been.

Here is a bit more information on the change to SED.

http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200801020026.html

"Nano-Proprietary's patent relates to a technology for a device that emits electrons to produce video images.

The U.S. company uses carbon to cover the layer on a piece of glass that emits electrons.

Canon, which found that the use of carbon can cause problems with reliability, has developed a technology that does not use carbon, the sources said."

Good one. Losing the law suit had nothing to do with Canon trying to drop the patented carbon approach. If it was causing such a reliability problem, why did Canon try to stick their Partner Toshiba with that defective patented technology?.

Good one. Losing the law suit had nothing to do with Canon trying to drop the patented carbon approach. If it was causing such a reliability problem, why did Canon try to stick their Partner Toshiba with that defective patented technology?.

$$$ :D

- Rich

Hi Thanks for your fast answer! Many people said that SED-TV is dead! But i don´t believe that Canon throw away SEd-TV after so much invests!
What do you think about this message:?
http://www.oled-display.info/rd-ip-llc-developed-technology-for-reducing-manufacturing-costs-of-fed-tv-and-sed-televisions

If you read between the lines, you can clearly see that SED still has life. Canon is not spending millions in attorney fees just drop SED, don't believe it.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that recent announcements of Canon developing its own emitter technology and Hitachi, Canon and Matsushita alliance, "that aims to reinforce their LCD panel businesses and technologies in general...[and]...accelerate the development of cutting-edge display technologies and to expand their scope of application" are connected. Perhaps Panasonic and Hitachi could serve a similar function as Toshiba in Canon's SED strategy. It might be a win-win situation for all involved, including consumers.

If you read between the lines, you can clearly see that SED still has life.

Where's Miracle Max when you need him?

Well if Canon has something up their sleeve maybe we'll see something at CES. That would be great news if so.

The real inside dirty little secret is to make OLED always snmaller than Flat panel LCDs that way you'll continue to force people to buy them no matter how inferior they are just to get a big picture!

OLED will always be too micr small and will always cost 10 trillion dollars--it even has less chance of making it than SED did.OLED has been mass produced for years so we at least know that mass production of it is possible while that has never been proven with SED. As for OLED currently being small and expensive that in my opinion still makes it far more realistic than SED which has not yet been released.


oh and its been noted that sed is far superiour then any current or oled technology as far as picture quality wise ......Why do you believe that SED is far superior to OLED?

SED has never been shown to be superior, much less far superior, to any other display technology. They've just been able to get people to buy into the marketing hype. AFTER samples have been independently tested, maybe they will be shown to be viable. The type of SED Canon is now working on doesn't even exist, yet some are saying it's the best! Right. They put on a good show, under controlled conditions, and that's it.

I suspect they will go back to the diamond film approach. Do not dismiss the emitter erosion problem- it's one of the things, perhaps the biggest thing, keeping SED and FED in general, off the market. And the technology seems to be inherently more expensive to manufacture. SED is dead, at least as far as consumer sets are concerned.

OLED needs to be scaled up, the lifetime increased and better manufacturing techniques developed. These are technological problems readily addressable. OLEDs get bigger every year. They are sold by the millions in mobiles and PDAs, etc. It is a maturing technology, far ahead of SED. I doubt SED will ever mature. It won't get the chance, it will cost too much. And OLED has been shown to folks that say it's "the best" just as some SED fans say about theres. But you can buy OLED.

As far as the posts above go, I'm with Johnny.

They've been talking about OLED and SED for about the same number of years.

Kodak, which holds the patents on OLED, thought by now there would be OLED sets.

It could just be that most manufacturers chose to delay development of OLED products while chasing the low-hanging fruit of plasma and LCD. There has been so much money invested in plasma and LCD manufacturing the past 5 years. Perhaps they haven't had the economic incentive or money left over to invest in new displays.

I believe we'll see Friday the 13th Part 13 before we'll see SED!

SED has never been shown to be superior, much less far superior, to any other display technology. They've just been able to get people to buy into the marketing hype. AFTER samples have been independently tested, maybe they will be shown to be viable. The type of SED Canon is now working on doesn't even exist, yet some are saying it's the best! Right. They put on a good show, under controlled conditions, and that's it.

I suspect they will go back to the diamond film approach. Do not dismiss the emitter erosion problem- it's one of the things, perhaps the biggest thing, keeping SED and FED in general, off the market. And the technology seems to be inherently more expensive to manufacture. SED is dead, at least as far as consumer sets are concerned.

OLED needs to be scaled up, the lifetime increased and better manufacturing techniques developed. These are technological problems readily addressable. OLEDs get bigger every year. They are sold by the millions in mobiles and PDAs, etc. It is a maturing technology, far ahead of SED. I doubt SED will ever mature. It won't get the chance, it will cost too much. And OLED has been shown to folks that say it's "the best" just as some SED fans say about theres. But you can buy OLED.

As far as the posts above go, I'm with Johnny.

Also I must agree with you. All SED is proven (barely at that) is that in some samples, independent non-mass produced samples (worthless to the consumer)... that it can be pretty impressive. But as everyone knows, even probably Pioneer w/ their Kuro and Samsung's Local Dimming series are guilty of this... their CEATEC prototypes to get "ooohs and ahs" for instance bare 75% resemblance to their mass produced siblings. I read in some review (hometheatermag) in which he saw the Pioneer Kuro literally fade into blackness on an all black screen like a CRT.

The mass produced Pios while more than impressive w/ on/off contrast ratio is not near that type of performance. Whether this be due to cost, life-span issues, and what not.

Also I must agree with you. All SED is proven (barely at that) is that in some samples, independent non-mass produced samples (worthless to the consumer)... that it can be pretty impressive. But as everyone knows, even probably Pioneer w/ their Kuro and Samsung's Local Dimming series are guilty of this... their CEATEC prototypes to get "ooohs and ahs" for instance bare 75% resemblance to their mass produced siblings. I read in some review (hometheatermag) in which he saw the Pioneer Kuro literally fade into blackness on an all black screen like a CRT.

The mass produced Pios while more than impressive w/ on/off contrast ratio is not near that type of performance. Whether this be due to cost, life-span issues, and what not.

There is nothing on this planet as good as SED. Once again, SED as a technology is superior to best plasma in every single aspect of display technology. There isn't one area that any plasma beats SED, not one.

Thinner, lighter, faster response time, superior blacks (no crush), better colors, brighter (not dim like plasma), true whites (not creamed colored or egg shell), energy efficient, more flexible, no fill factor issues (ala plasma), no screen door, no dithering, color banding, floating blacks, etc. etc.

Its a travesty that we don't have SED in our living rooms by now.

SED has never been shown to be superior, much less far superior, to any other display technology

Please go read up on SED technology and tell me if this technology isn't vastly superior to LCD, DLP, Plasma, Lcos etc. I'm not talking about OLED because that is a new technology as well.

Those aforementioned technologies are joke in comparison to SED. If SED tv was available you would realize how much we've been "fleeced by investing those other second rate technologies.

There is nothing on this planet as good as SED..
Could you please be more specific…


When you say "this planet"



---which planet are you referring to?





http://www.iaaa.org/pulsar/pictures/mayjun02/ring-galaxy-j-tuccr.jpg

:p:D

He has never seen a SED panel. Please stop feeding the habitual troll.

Could you please be more specific…


When you say "this planet"



---which planet are you referring to?





http://www.iaaa.org/pulsar/pictures/mayjun02/ring-galaxy-j-tuccr.jpg

:p:D

Correction, there's nothing in the known universe better than SED:D

He has never seen a SED panel. Please stop feeding the habitual troll.

Attack the post not the poster:rolleyes:

He has never seen a SED panel. Please stop feeding the habitual troll.

Hey i was excited about SED but i think the push for SED is pretty much over. The demand in japan alone for OLED is huge. In one month of being on the market in japan sony completely sold out of the 11" OLED panal. This TV is no where to be found except Ebay and its sky high. Any company that invest in SED at this point is doomed. OLED is already on the market and doing very strong. You will see a huge surge come CES this year. Saying goodbye to SED and jumping on the OLED bandwagon. Oh no to mention the marketing for OLED is becoming impressive

If you read between the lines, you can clearly see that SED still has life. Canon is not spending millions in attorney fees just drop SED, don't believe it.As an attorney, I can tell you that you would be SHOCKED to find out how many millions of dollars companies waste on attorneys fees for useless reasons.

I've seen long, expensive court battles over lame trademarks like "Ceiling Fans & More"

It'll be years before anyone can buy >40" OLEDs. Add 2 more years until these sets become affordable. It looks like SED still has a 2-4 year window of opportunity to make a successful entry into display market.

As an attorney, I can tell you that you would be SHOCKED to find out how many millions of dollars companies waste on attorneys fees for useless reasons.

I've seen long, expensive court battles over lame trademarks like "Ceiling Fans & More"

As an attorney you would agree that they do it ulimately to win.

The biggest mistake Canon made was allowing that patent infringement case to be tried in the Eastern District of Texas. As an attorney you probably know that defendants basically have chance of prevailing in that district.

Hey i was excited about SED but i think the push for SED is pretty much over. The demand in japan alone for OLED is huge. In one month of being on the market in japan sony completely sold out of the 11" OLED panal. This TV is no where to be found except Ebay and its sky high. Any company that invest in SED at this point is doomed. OLED is already on the market and doing very strong. You will see a huge surge come CES this year. Saying goodbye to SED and jumping on the OLED bandwagon. Oh no to mention the marketing for OLED is becoming impressive

An 11 OLED set has no chance of making it in the lucrative U.S. market. They can keep those little microdisplay:) in Japan.

With SED they already introduced a 36 and 55 inch protoypes, so size is less of an issue with SED. They are ready for the U.S. market. It would not have been too long before 32 inch and 60+ inch SED sets would have been available.

Where is the word from Canon? One newspaper claimed that Canon is going to restart their SED development, but that newspaper did not even reveal where the got their information from.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=ayVYAOUI.ul0&refer=japan
Canon to Develop SED TVs Using Own Technology, Asahi Reports
By Patrick Rial
Dec. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Canon Inc. plans to develop surface-conduction electron-emitter display, or SED, televisions using its own technology, the Asahi newspaper reported, without saying where it obtained the information.

An 11 OLED set has no chance of making it in the lucrative U.S. market. They can keep those little microdisplay:) in Japan.

With SED they already introduced a 36 and 55 inch protoypes, so size is less of an issue with SED. They are ready for the U.S. market. It would not have been too long before 32 inch and 60+ inch SED sets would have been available.
OLED is producing and out preforming SED as of now and 11" OLED is just the start, and my point is they are already being sold. Samsung and sony are planning in 2008 to offer the first 20"-30" displays OLED in US. Checked out CES news its all ready happening. With the populairty of OLED you will see a larger demand for these sets. I would have loved SED to work out but its starting to look like OLED is already producing and out preforming SED

OLED and SED are both longshot jokes!

Canon makes a lot of promises. First it was SED, lately they have being talking up OLED and LCD.

Hey Canon, instead of always making promises, for a change, how about making some kind of a goddam TV. Any kind. So far, all you have done is talk up a storm, but never actually put a single Canon TV in any retail store. Put up or shut up.

OLED and SED are both longshot jokes!

Your joking right!!! OLED is already being produced and selling very very well. How is that a longshot? They wouldnt be selling it if it wasnt ready, thats a lawsuit just waiting to happen

Your joking right!!! OLED is already being produced and selling very very well. How is that a longshot? They wouldnt be selling it if it wasnt ready, thats a lawsuit just waiting to happen
I agree with Artwood. It's very easy to confuse announcements of prototypes with announcements of actual products scheduled for sale. Samsung, for example, will be showing 14" and 31" at CES08 but so what, these are prototypes so nobody will be able to buy them at Best Buy in 08 anyway. Same thing with SED. After years of announcements and many prototypes later we're still stuck with plasmas and LCDs. It's the same story every year. Samsung was already showing 40" OLED 2.5 years ago.
http://www.engadget.com/2005/05/20/samsungs-40-inch-oled-tv-pics/
Yes, it was stunning, but unfortunately that was also only a prototype. There's a clear pattern there.

There is nothing on this planet as good as SED. Once again, SED as a technology is superior to best plasma in every single aspect of display technology. There isn't one area that any plasma beats SED, not one.Considering we have never seen an SED made for consumers that is a pretty big statement to make and at minimum Plasma beats SED in terms of availability, cost, and size.


more flexible,Exactly how flexible is an SED display?


With SED they already introduced a 36 and 55 inch protoypes, so size is less of an issue with SED.I am not so sure about that but if you are interested in prototype displays Samsung is planning to show off a 31" OLED prototype at CES (http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140858-c,futuretechnology/article.html).

I agree with Artwood. It's very easy to confuse announcements of prototypes with announcements of actual products scheduled for sale. Samsung, for example, will be showing 14" and 31" at CES08 but so what, these are prototypes so nobody will be able to buy them at Best Buy in 08 anyway. Same thing with SED. After years of announcements and many prototypes later we're still stuck with plasmas and LCDs. It's the same story every year. Samsung was already showing 40" OLED 2.5 years ago.
http://www.engadget.com/2005/05/20/samsungs-40-inch-oled-tv-pics/
Yes, it was stunning, but unfortunately that was also only a prototype. There's a clear pattern there.

Sony has gone past announcements and is already selling 11" OLED display in japan with huge success. They sold out within the first few weeks. From this point On OLED display will only get bigger and bigger. Bottom line OLED has surpassed SED and the gap is only going to get bigger.

Correction, there's nothing in the known universe better than SED:DWhat makes you think it ends there?

Another question: why can't this thread just die like SED:D?

He has never seen a SED panel. Please stop feeding the habitual troll.

Attack the post not the poster:rolleyes:

Ok fine, the content of all your posts is foolish, delusional and ridiculously tiresome. There, all better. :p

There is nothing on this planet as good as SED. Once again, SED as a technology is superior to best plasma in every single aspect of display technology. There isn't one area that any plasma beats SED, not one.

Thinner, lighter, faster response time, superior blacks (no crush), better colors, brighter (not dim like plasma), true whites (not creamed colored or egg shell), energy efficient, more flexible, no fill factor issues (ala plasma), no screen door, no dithering, color banding, floating blacks, etc. etc.

Its a travesty that we don't have SED in our living rooms by now.

Well that's been said plenty of times. I am just saying these 'facts' (I use that quite loosely) are based off of theoretics and SED samples that aren't even close to mass production yet. That's what's concerning. Re-read my post. Why the SED Rules choir sounded off I have no idea. It is not an attack on what SED is capable of. I am just stating that viewings of non-mass produced SED displays aren't necessarily 100 percent indicative to what you would get if Best Buy released them tomorrow. Its a trend that plenty have seen.

If I wanted to re-read how SED was going to revolutionize the future of displays I would've google'd up an old Gizmodo article on it. Because that's about as close as I am going to get to the awesomeness of SED.

Exactly how flexible is an SED display?



He keeps confusing SED w/ OLED. SED is no thinner or more 'flexible' than a Plasma or LCD. But I assume you know that Mr. Paul. :) Besides... getting thinner than this is hardly too much to get excited about.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_7160000/newsid_7164800?redirect=7164819.stm&news=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1&nbram=1&bbwm=1&asb=1

Its a plasma. O_O

He keeps confusing SED w/ OLED. SED is no thinner or more 'flexible' than a Plasma or LCD. But I assume you know that Mr. Paul. :)I have never heard of a flexible SED prototype being shown by a company so I was curious to know why Auditor55 thought it would be more flexible than LCD/Plasma. It is possible that between the optimism and absurd predictions that came from certain SED companies one of them said that it could be made flexible sometime in the future.


Besides... getting thinner than this is hardly too much to get excited about.Both LCD and Plasma are capable of getting pretty thin so I would agree with that for displays under 80" in size.

He keeps confusing SED w/ OLED. SED is no thinner or more 'flexible' than a Plasma or LCD. But I assume you know that Mr. Paul. :) Besides... getting thinner than this is hardly too much to get excited about.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_7160000/newsid_7164800?redirect=7164819.stm&news=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1&nbram=1&bbwm=1&asb=1

Its a plasma. O_O

I'm not confusing SED with OLED. OLED is super thin. SED is thinner and lighter than them energy sucking plasmas.

Oh yeah! I'm a plasma owner.

I have never heard of a flexible SED prototype being shown by a company so I was curious to know why Auditor55 thought it would be more flexible than LCD/Plasma. It is possible that between the optimism and absurd predictions that came from certain SED companies one of them said that it could be made flexible sometime in the future.


Both LCD and Plasma are capable of getting pretty thin so I would agree with that for displays under 80" in size.


I'm talking about the technology, SED. Much like LCD and OLED it can be used in cell phones. Also SED is the technology that will render the ultimate film-like picture quality (remember, tiny little crt's:)). The LCD and Kuro's still look somewhat digital to me.

WHy do you continue to argue about this. We all know Plasma, while good for today, is not the display technology of the future. Plasma is on its way out. I expect Pioneer to be bowing out of the plasma market soon. Panasonic might last a bit longer only because they have already jumped into the LCD market.

Anyway, SED and OLED is vastly superior to Plasma for the reasons I stated before. I prefer the SED direction because you already have prototypes in sizes that are more geared towards the American market. I don't care one bit and Japanese and European markets.

It is a travesty that we don't have SED sets. I'm starting to believe the Freemasons have something to do with that

You have never seen a SED display.

You have never seen a SED display.


How many times has this statement been posted about him??? The more I read on this forum the more I feel like I'm reading the same thing....

How many times has this statement been posted about him??? The more I read on this forum the more I feel like I'm reading the same thing....

Well, the way he raves on and on about SED, one would get the impression that he had actually seen one, but he has never, not even one of the earlier crude demo models. He is always telling people that he only trusts his own eyes, and that is why he can be so critical of the Pioneer Kuro line, and then he returns to regurgitating his same old vomit, over and over, about the SED that he has never even glimpsed in person.;)

"It is a travesty that we don't have SED sets. I'm starting to believe the Freemasons have something to do with that.."

I think you maybe on to something there...

The Freemasons developed the fake protoypes and had their Stepford clone, Mitt Romney, cast a spell on Satan, the brother of Jesus, to fool us all into thinking there ever was such a thing as SED.

This thread is only an illusion.

Thinner, lighter, faster response time, superior blacks (no crush), better colors, brighter (not dim like plasma), true whites (not creamed colored or egg shell), energy efficient, more flexible, no fill factor issues (ala plasma), no screen door, no dithering, color banding, floating blacks, etc. etc.Believe it or not SED is not the perfect display.

Thinner
- Shinoda demonstrated a 1mm thick plasma display (tube based)
- Pioneer has a 9mm thick prototype (cell or tube not confirmed)

Lighter
- Pioneer has a 40lb prototype

Brighter
- Since SED is a power on demand device it will probably use an ABL circuit just like plasma and CRT. You want full screen blinding whites you still need to go LCD IMO. What is the luminous efficiency of an SED anyways?

superior blacks
- New Pioneer prototype has zero background luminence meaning infinite contrast ratio.

response time
- SED phoshpor decay will be around 1.5ms (same as plasma and CRT) making response time irrelevant

And if you don't already reallize:

- SED is passive matrix meaning it will scan the image line by line causing flicker.
- SED uses phosphor just like a plasma and thus phosphor lag (color seperation) will occur

Well, the way he raves on and on about SED, one would get the impression that he had actually seen one, but he has never, not even one of the earlier crude demo models. He is always telling people that he only trusts his own eyes, and that is why he can be so critical of the Pioneer Kuro line, and then he returns to regurgitating his same old vomit, over and over, about the SED that he has never even glimpsed in person.;)

Well let's just say his 'vision' of what SED would have been would probably make him much more happy than a real product. That I can guarantee.

Believe it or not SED is not the perfect display.

Thinner
- Shinoda demonstrated a 1mm thick plasma display (tube based)
- Pioneer has a 9mm thick prototype (cell or tube not confirmed)

Lighter
- Pioneer has a 40lb prototype

Brighter
- Since SED is a power on demand device it will probably use an ABL circuit just like plasma and CRT. You want full screen blinding whites you still need to go LCD IMO. What is the luminous efficiency of an SED anyways?

superior blacks
- New Pioneer prototype has zero background luminence meaning infinite contrast ratio.

response time
- SED phoshpor decay will be around 1.5ms (same as plasma and CRT) making response time irrelevant

And if you don't already reallize:

- SED is passive matrix meaning it will scan the image line by line causing flicker.
- SED uses phosphor just like a plasma and thus phosphor lag (color seperation) will occur

OMG... we're actually stating facts now? :) Thanks xrox. Its crazy to see what's coming out so soon. I'm waiting for a teleportation device and an automatic shaver myself. OLED is a distant second. By the way... w/ 10 lumen tech also coming out... isn't power going to be an issue of the past as well? (as small as an issue it is for most people anyway?)

SED, OLED, or FED, I don't care which, just please give me a tv that doesn't suck already. It's a damn shame that tv manufacturers push this lcd/plasma crap on us and we have to live with it. You can't even buy a CRT anymore and if you did find one, like my 30" slimfit, it'd probably have f'ed geometry anyway. They don't make 'em like they used to.

SED, OLED, or FED, I don't care which, just please give me a tv that doesn't suck already. It's a damn shame that tv manufacturers push this lcd/plasma crap on us and we have to live with it. You can't even buy a CRT anymore and if you did find one, like my 30" slimfit, it'd probably have f'ed geometry anyway. They don't make 'em like they used to.

I'm with you. They don't make the TV I want yet.

but for now I could settle for a top of the line Pioneer :)

SED, OLED, or FED, I don't care which, just please give me a tv that doesn't suck already. It's a damn shame that tv manufacturers push this lcd/plasma crap on us and we have to live with it. You can't even buy a CRT anymore and if you did find one, like my 30" slimfit, it'd probably have f'ed geometry anyway. They don't make 'em like they used to.

These TVs do not suck. Its a market. You don't like it don't buy it :rolleyes:

- Rich

Oh wow an 11" TV!!! I am going to sell my 70" SXRD right now to upgrade!!!

I'm with you. They don't make the TV I want yet.

but for now I could settle for a top of the line Pioneer :)

I like how you put that, "settle" because that is what you would be doing.

Anyway, I would advise you get one now because I don't expect Pioneer to making plasmas much longer.

I like how you put that, "settle" because that is what you would be doing.

Anyway, I would advise you get one now because I don't expect Pioneer to making plasmas much longer.

Are they going SED? :rolleyes:

Believe it or not SED is not the perfect display.

Thinner
- Shinoda demonstrated a 1mm thick plasma display (tube based)
- Pioneer has a 9mm thick prototype (cell or tube not confirmed)

Lighter
- Pioneer has a 40lb prototype

Brighter
- Since SED is a power on demand device it will probably use an ABL circuit just like plasma and CRT. You want full screen blinding whites you still need to go LCD IMO. What is the luminous efficiency of an SED anyways?

superior blacks
- New Pioneer prototype has zero background luminence meaning infinite contrast ratio.

response time
- SED phoshpor decay will be around 1.5ms (same as plasma and CRT) making response time irrelevant

And if you don't already reallize:

- SED is passive matrix meaning it will scan the image line by line causing flicker.
- SED uses phosphor just like a plasma and thus phosphor lag (color seperation) will occur

ha!ha!ha!ha!

Please! We already know that SED is vastly superior to all others, we don't need your chart to tell us otherwise. Video display technololgy experts and engineers have already testified to that fact.

Are they going SED? :rolleyes:

That would be wise.

ha!ha!ha!ha!

Please! We already know that SED is vastly superior to all others, we don't need your chart to tell us otherwise. Video display technololgy experts and engineers have already testified to that fact.

Who's "we"?

Video display tech experts that are paid off by Canon? I don't think so. I believe those people are 'biased'. The only way I'd believe that statement is if we line up an LCD, OLED, Plasma, and SED display... blind-fold all display viewers, make them do an upside down handstand so the blood rushes to their heads to enhance vision, taking photographs w/ 3 different cameras (one from Canon, one from Sony, and one from Panasonic to be sure of no brand loyalties) as proof , make them spin around a few times, let the displays be ISF'd by people walking around Best Buy (because everybody seems to be an expert...), and then... the last part. Have the Dr. you quote all the time has to be there... dressed like Big Bird from Sesame Street... (his presence may sway viewers from believeing their own eyes...)

Then and only then... will SED prove its any better.

No independent "video display technology experts and engineers" have ever testified to any such thing. Because none have ever been allowed to examine and test any SED. Canon has never allowed one of their SED displays to ever be examined outside of their carefully controlled situations.

After seeing the Pioneer pitch black plasma, SED can be laid to rest properly.

ha!ha!ha!ha!

Please! We already know that SED is vastly superior to all others, we don't need your chart to tell us otherwise. Video display technololgy experts and engineers have already testified to that fact.

I haven't visited this thread in months. Since it's CES time, I figured I'd stop by to see if there is any news. Instead, it's just the same-old same-old. All the same rhetoric, repeated ad-nauseam.

This thread reminds me of the movie "Groundhog Day."

I haven't visited this thread in months. Since it's CES time, I figured I'd stop by to see if there is any news. Instead, it's just the same-old same-old. All the same rhetoric, repeated ad-nauseam.

This thread reminds me of the movie "Groundhog Day."

Except Groundhog Day was good.

Except Groundhog Day was good.

I lawled.

Oh wow an 11" TV!!! I am going to sell my 70" SXRD right now to upgrade!!!

Some of the The first LCD's cpu monitors were 11" so I think a 11" OLED TV is a good start for sony The screen are only going to get bigger from this point on. The same model sold out in japan within weeks, I know when they come to the US i will be purchasing one for my cpu, I hope DVI to HDMI cable will work for this set. I was looking at news for CES and also saw samsung already had a 31" OLED TV displaying a mind blowing picture, from what I read. Of course with any new technology Its probally going to be at least 1 more year before we start seeing 20"-40" OLED screens being sold and im sure they will be super expensive but million to 1 contrast ratio, Im already starting to save right now.

After seeing the Pioneer pitch black plasma, SED can be laid to rest properly.

You must love crushed blacks and dirty whites:eek:

No independent "video display technology experts and engineers" have ever testified to any such thing. Because none have ever been allowed to examine and test any SED. Canon has never allowed one of their SED displays to ever be examined outside of their carefully controlled situations.

There is a Kuro owner here who witnessed SED for himself. That man was unmercifully attacked when he stated that The Kuro is good but SED has no equal, period. There is nothing like SED.:D

Once again and I have said this many of times. While the Kuro is nice, it still a plasma. Plasma is not the future of display technology. SED is superior to place in every singles category of display technology.

The Kuro is not new technology so why is it even being discussed in this Forum? Why is the Kuro being discussed in the SED technology thread.

The Kuro cannot compare to SED technology, I mean its really laughable. Let the Kuro battle it out with Panasonic plasma, Samsung and Sony LCD's and other contemporary display technologies. The Kuro is not in the league with SED, OLED and other future display technologies.

Its not even fair fight to compare PDP with SED so stop deluding yourself. In fact, PDP is still not a reference display technology in the professional world, that honor still goes to CRT. SED would have been the natural replacement for CRT in the professional world, it would have been easily embraced by the segment of the market.

You must love crushed blacks and dirty whites:eek:

Dont your panny do that :confused:

Home Theater: Pioneer Extreme Contrast Plasma: Wow (http://blog.hometheatermag.com/ces2008/10707pioxtreme/)
I'm tempted to leave this Blog with only that one word: wow. Words are hard to come by. I've been doing this for some time now, and I can't recall the last time I was entranced in a demo, sitting forward in my seat, jaw agape. Pioneer's Extreme Contrast "Concept" plasma display demo was this and more. This might be the biggest potential sea change I've seen in any product category in my years in this industry.

Home Theater: More Love For Pioneer (http://blog.hometheatermag.com/ces2008/010808pioneer/)

The new Pioneer plasma concepts sound better than SED. When SED was big news the there wasn't any real competition in the digital display world when it came to black levels. The Kuros have changed that perception. I'm sure that SED was better than the current Kuros but it sounds like those concept Kuros are what SED wanted to be when it comes to contrast. Remember, SED did have a contrast rating which early on was 100K:1 then later it claimed 50k:1. So obviously these new concept Kuros are claiming something that SED cannot, ABSOLUTE black levels.

I was as excited as anyone else is about SED as I am a fan of the "picture" not of the technology. Seems to me that if SED can't deliver it's time to lay it to rest. Pioneer seems to be pushing technology forward quicker than the rest and they sure have my attention.

If you are a true lover of PQ, those 9mm 10 lumen absolute black Kuros have to have you salivating do they?

The new Pioneer plasma concepts sound better than SED. When SED was big news the there wasn't any real competition in the digital display world when it came to black levels. The Kuros have changed that perception. I'm sure that SED was better than the current Kuros but it sounds like those concept Kuros are what SED wanted to be when it comes to contrast. Remember, SED did have a contrast rating which early on was 100K:1 then later it claimed 50k:1. So obviously these new concept Kuros are claiming something that SED cannot, ABSOLUTE black levels.

I was as excited as anyone else is about SED as I am a fan of the "picture" not of the technology. Seems to me that if SED can't deliver it's time to lay it to rest. Pioneer seems to be pushing technology forward quicker than the rest and they sure have my attention.

If you are a true lover of PQ, those 9mm 10 lumen absolute black Kuros have to have you salivating do they?

I am dude. :) Hehe. A 9mm, 10 lumen, absolute black flat screen panel. Tha'tll be sick. 10 lumen allegedly produces a brighter white (not necessary in all situations but its a nice thing to have).

But I agree with Auditor55 in this one. We shouldn't be talking about the Kuro in this thread. This thread is reserved for displays that aren't coming out in the next 100 years.

Why didnt any companyies have any prototypes of SED, I saw plenty of news on OLED tv's which looked great and already being sold why no news on SED, Is SED already dead in the water?

... I mean its really laughable. ...

Yes, there's something really laughable here. Or sad. Really sad.

- - - -

blklacker- The answer to your question is YES.

The Pioneer kuro fans are like zombies that pop up on every thread. kuro - kuro - kuro...Ah, kinda like the way that Auditor55 regularly pops up in the SXRD RPTV threads with SED - SED - SED? Good old Auditor, he continually worships something that doesn't exist while relentlessly bashing just about everything that does exist (DLP, SXRD, D-ILA, Plasma, etc) in his usual negative way. ;)

Ah, kinda like the way that Auditor55 regularly pops up in the SXRD RPTV threads with SED - SED - SED? Good old Auditor, he continually worships something that doesn't exist while relentlessly bashing just about everything that does exist (DLP, SXRD, D-ILA, Plasma, etc) in his usual negative way. ;)

:D

I had high hopes for SED at one time. We were supposed to have it by now, IIRC. If you can't buy it, it doesn't matter how good the prototypes are/were. Superior tech doesn't do people much good if they can't use it. Hopefully OLED doesn't suffer the same fate if it is as good as the specs and "buzz" say it is.

larry

Canon announced that they were suspending SED R&D "Indefinitely". They lost a small patent infringement lawsuit, but also said that they had not developed the production technology that would let them mass produce the panels at a reasonable production cost.

I think Canon just used the minor lawsuit loss as a way to save face, very important in their culture, and really were not able to mass produce a viable product.

At a fairly recent technology seminar they stated that they were investing in OLED and did not even mention one word about SED, so it looks like Canon just wants to let it die a quiet death. Like I said; looks like they failed, and are trying to save face.

It wasn't just a small lawsuit it was a major road block. Companies like nano proprietary are just IP companies. Here is their web page of their litigation. http://www.nano-proprietary.com/About/Litigation.asp
They don't hold these patents to make products, they hold them to make money. It's part of a deeper problem with intellectual property. One that has hit many other companies besides canon.

Bottom line: SED has been cancelled, and Canon has never ever made a TV of any kind.
They are great at producing false promises and deadlines, but useless about delivering the product.

CES is showing a lot of great new developments in TV technology. Check them out if you are interested in real TVs, or just keep on posting on this thread if you want to live only in a fantasy world.

But can someone please answer these questions? Has Canon ever made a TV? Has Audi 55 ever seen a SED? I just can’t recall—maybe the answer can be posted-- for the billionth time.

just keep on posting on this thread if you want to live only in a fantasy world.

You keep posting in this thread.

There is a Kuro owner here who witnessed SED for himself. That man was unmercifully attacked when he stated that The Kuro is good but SED has no equal, period. There is nothing like SED.:D

Once again and I have said this many of times. While the Kuro is nice, it still a plasma. Plasma is not the future of display technology. SED is superior to place in every singles category of display technology.

The Kuro is not new technology so why is it even being discussed in this Forum? Why is the Kuro being discussed in the SED technology thread.

The Kuro cannot compare to SED technology, I mean its really laughable. Let the Kuro battle it out with Panasonic plasma, Samsung and Sony LCD's and other contemporary display technologies. The Kuro is not in the league with SED, OLED and other future display technologies.

Its not even fair fight to compare PDP with SED so stop deluding yourself. In fact, PDP is still not a reference display technology in the professional world, that honor still goes to CRT. SED would have been the natural replacement for CRT in the professional world, it would have been easily embraced by the segment of the market.

SED only exists in your head. SED is DEAD. This isn't 2005, this is 2008. SED was already supposed to have been here. Well it left and is long gone.

I was on here a long time ago and you were the fanboy that was all over SED, well its done and over. There is not going to be any SED for consumers, deal with it.

Don't you think if Sony and other companies thought there would be something good with SED they could go after it instead of OLED?

Wow, some thick heads rolling in this forum.

owch

To bad so sad for SED. Another CES has come without even a hint of SED. It was a pretty good concept, and an interesting theory, just couldn't be put into practice. Unfortunately it missed it's window of opportunity. Not a chance that it could catch up and be manufactured for less than it's competition. Sammy has an LCD with 500,000:1 contrast, Poineer is showing true black plasma, OLED has true black and vibrant colors, DLP is coming with frikin laser beams... What of SED? Hmmm... SED seems to have lost it's invitation to the party.

Cannon was smart enough to stop the hemorrhaging and go with something viable like LCD (to make some actual money) and OLED (to be able to compete in the future).

You keep posting in this thread.

Greenland is on a mission of mercy for the SED challenged. :D

But can someone please answer these questions? Has Canon ever made a TV? Has Audi 55 ever seen a SED? I just can’t recall—maybe the answer can be posted-- for the billionth time.

no.

no.:cool:

Look folks: Do you really believe that any normal sane person that has never seen SED would become an SED Worshiper and Evangelist for the technology?

Of course not! Anyone who doesn't believe that Auditor55 is connected in some way to SED and its financial profitability is naive.

my gosh: same stuff different day