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NewOrlnsDukie

06-29-07, 01:15 PM

well, a few pages back some of you may have read my saga about my 16-46PC+, in which I had ordered a 16-46 PC+, but they sent me a 16-46 PCi by accident.

They caught the mistake themselves and then sent me the actual 16-46PC+ I had ordered. I had been curious about whether or not duals w/ the PCi and the PC+ would work. So I asked if I could try running them as duals for a while. They were nice enough to oblige.

As for my results -- I could certainly feel the increased headroom w/ the duals, but there were a few problems:

1) I think the PCi they sent me may have been defective. I had calibrated it w/ the spl meter using Avia and test tones CD (I didn't even calibrate it hot and did all of the appropriate spl corrections), and, after calibration, I had occasional severe problems w/ all kinds of horrible unnatural noises coming from the sub (particualrly on sequences like those in WOTW and even the DTS opening at the beginning of movies). It was so bad that I pretty much had to leave the gain essentially at zero.

2) The 16-46+ really put it to shame. Granted, a large part of that may have related to #1.

3) I asked them how much they would want for it, and they quoted me $584, which would be 60 off retail (not including shipping, of course). Given the circumstances, not that much of a discount.

With all those things in mind, I ended up shipping it back.

I wanted to post this for 2 reasons -

1) I want to say that the SVS people, particularly Erik K, were very responsive and flexible.

2) was there something I was doing wrong w/ the PCi? The sound it was emitting was painful to hear. Is this the aforementioned 'chuffing?'

Oh, and this 16-46+ is incredible. Now I gotta decide whether or not to pull the trigger on a second one for my 4600 cubic foot room. :D

HagardProduction

06-29-07, 02:08 PM

MonkeyGoD

06-29-07, 09:23 PM

I read somewhere that there will be a PS3 deal with 5 free bluray movies, so you might wanna look into that.

ransac

06-29-07, 10:42 PM

I think you will be quite satisfied with the PB12-NSD. Use the saved cash to buy more toys. After all, isn't that what it's all about?

HagardProduction

06-29-07, 11:42 PM

I think you will be quite satisfied with the PB12-NSD. Use the saved cash to buy more toys. After all, isn't that what it's all about?

True...I guess if I need more bass later down the road I could get another PB12-NSD

gvg45

06-30-07, 02:59 AM

Need some help form you SVS owners...

I'm about to buy a SVS 5.1 system with the scs for mains and the PB12-NSD for the sub.

The thing I need help with...I currently own an A2 HD DVD player and I want to go format neutral and get a PS3 this monday or should I use that money from the PS3 to upgrade my PB12-NSD to the PB12-Plus and use the leftover money for more HD DVDs?

Thanks alot,
Gman

P.S. Im coming from a $130 5.1 pc speaker system

My suggestion, buy the PB12+ and you wont want to upgrade in a few months. Do it right the first time. Otherwise you end up spending more in the long run.

Also the added time it will take you to save up again so you can buy the PS3, there may be a price drop. Maybe around Christmas time.

Ed Mullen

06-30-07, 09:58 AM

NewOrlnsDukie

06-30-07, 09:20 PM

We took a close look at your 16-46PCi that was shipped back and determined it had taken a hard knock in shipping and the woofer had been damaged. It clearly wasn't performing up to snuff - granted the PCi is a few ticks behind the PC+ in overall performance, but it's no slouch and certainly shouldn't have made any of the strange noises you were hearing.

In fact I had that exact subwoofer shipped to my house after it was returned to SVS and I replaced the woofer yesterday and ran it through a complete set of tests/measurements and it performed flawlessly.

If you want to discuss a 2nd 16-46PC+, please contact me at sales@svsound.com and we'll working something out. :)

Ed --

I am SO glad you stopped by to comment. I was afraid I had done something wrong (though I did everything as you guys recommend in your instructions) on setup. I had serious trouble believing that was 'normal' for a 600 dollar sub. Thank you so much for validating my concerns. I feared I had done something totally horrible.

And please express my thanks to Erik K for his help. I'm sure I wasted a whole lot of bandwidth w/ all of our correspondences, but I am very thankful that he was able to respond even after midnight on the issues that arose (though I never mention the strange noise issue because, frankly, I was afraid I had screwed it up, or wasn't aware of how things work in high-end subs).

I would be very interested in getting another 16-46+ if the price is right. I am absolutely in love w/ the one I have. I'm sitting here watching The Guardian on StarzHD, and the sub is almost making this otherwise-craptacular movie worth watching all on its own.

Once I stop playing around w/ my new iphone (lovin' it:D) and I get my new Onkyo 875 delivered (godwilling that will be next month), I'll shoot you an email. 2 of these would put me in eternal bliss.

So don't forget about me. ;)

MonkeyGoD

06-30-07, 10:04 PM

Ed --

I am SO glad you stopped by to comment. I was afraid I had done something wrong (though I did everything as you guys recommend in your instructions) on setup. I had serious trouble believing that was 'normal' for a 600 dollar sub. Thank you so much for validating my concerns. I feared I had done something totally horrible.

And please express my thanks to Erik K for his help. I'm sure I wasted a whole lot of bandwidth w/ all of our correspondences, but I am very thankful that he was able to respond even after midnight on the issues that arose (though I never mention the strange noise issue because, frankly, I was afraid I had screwed it up, or wasn't aware of how things work in high-end subs).

I would be very interested in getting another 16-46+ if the price is right. I am absolutely in love w/ the one I have. I'm sitting here watching The Guardian on StarzHD, and the sub is almost making this otherwise-craptacular movie worth watching all on its own.

Once I stop playing around w/ my new iphone (lovin' it:D) and I get my new Onkyo 875 delivered (godwilling that will be next month), I'll shoot you an email. 2 of these would put me in eternal bliss.

So don't forget about me. ;)

Same thing happened to me. Upon replacement of the new woofer that SVS sent me (for my 20-39pci) i saw what the damaged was. The basket that held the spider and voicecoil in place was completely dislodged from the metal frame and was bouncing around. Granted it still 'worked' but with voice coil misaligned and the basket jumping around, it was very ineffiicent and it made disturbing clanky clipping sounds during moderate sound passages.

Apparently, the superglue/adhesive they used to keep the basket in place to the speaker frame was no match for UPS shipping...

Ed Mullen

07-01-07, 06:37 AM

Ed --

I am SO glad you stopped by to comment. I was afraid I had done something wrong (though I did everything as you guys recommend in your instructions) on setup. I had serious trouble believing that was 'normal' for a 600 dollar sub. Thank you so much for validating my concerns. I feared I had done something totally horrible.

And please express my thanks to Erik K for his help. I'm sure I wasted a whole lot of bandwidth w/ all of our correspondences, but I am very thankful that he was able to respond even after midnight on the issues that arose (though I never mention the strange noise issue because, frankly, I was afraid I had screwed it up, or wasn't aware of how things work in high-end subs).

I would be very interested in getting another 16-46+ if the price is right. I am absolutely in love w/ the one I have. I'm sitting here watching The Guardian on StarzHD, and the sub is almost making this otherwise-craptacular movie worth watching all on its own.

Once I stop playing around w/ my new iphone (lovin' it:D) and I get my new Onkyo 875 delivered (godwilling that will be next month), I'll shoot you an email. 2 of these would put me in eternal bliss.

So don't forget about me. ;)

Please contact me in Sales to discuss this further - even if you delay the purchase for a while, I want to establish some correspondence. Thanks!

Ed Mullen

07-01-07, 06:43 AM

Same thing happened to me. Upon replacement of the new woofer that SVS sent me (for my 20-39pci) i saw what the damaged was. The basket that held the spider and voicecoil in place was completely dislodged from the metal frame and was bouncing around. Granted it still 'worked' but with voice coil misaligned and the basket jumping around, it was very ineffiicent and it made disturbing clanky clipping sounds during moderate sound passages.

Apparently, the superglue/adhesive they used to keep the basket in place to the speaker frame was no match for UPS shipping...

Yes, this is exactly what was wrong with NewOrlnsDukie's 16-46PCi. No matter how rugged we build the woofer and how well we package the sub, UPS sometimes manages to ruin one. It doesn't happen often, but when it does the sub can make some God-awful sounds when fired-up. After I replaced the woofer in his 16-46PCi, it ran like a champ and tested out perfectly.

antman27

07-05-07, 09:13 AM

MonkeyGoD

07-05-07, 09:40 AM

OK just an update of my system
Denon 3805 AVR
Denon 3910 DVD/CD
Velodyne SMS-1
Furman PLH15 Power center
SA 8300 HD Cablebox
Samsung HLN507W DLP TV
Paradigm Studio 40's V.3 with Signature Tweeter upgrades
Paradigm CC V.2
Paradigm Cinema 90's V.3
2 SVS SB12Plus Subs

I have to do a bit tweaking with phase but it sounds great!!
Anyone have any sugestions on Phase with 2 subs ?

If your subs are both facing the same direction, you shouldnt need to adjust your phase at all. Since the subs are on the front stage, i would leave them both at zero.

Warpdrv

07-05-07, 11:10 AM

OK just an update of my system

I have to do a bit tweaking with phase but it sounds great!!
Anyone have any sugestions on Phase with 2 subs ?

Maybe its me, and I remember this pic from before... but did you ever pull those Studio 40's out to the front and out from the side of the TV, and maybe toe them in a bit..?
Im pretty much sure someone suggested this to you before....

Oh and the best way to Phase your subs, is with the Onscreen sweeps with the SMS... just run it and adjust the phase on the subs on the fly and see how it looks with your changes... Instant results tweeking on the fly...... works great..

Then when your done with the subs phase, go to the phase settings on the SMS and do the incrimental phase adjustments, and hit the test button... you can't miss.

seagul

07-05-07, 06:53 PM

Howdy, im looking to get an svs and the 25-31 psi is the one that is screaming out to me. I was looking in the b stock and noticed a 25-31 but it doesn't say if its psi or what. Does anyone know if it is?

Macfan424

07-05-07, 07:01 PM

It is the CS, a passive subwoofer which is the same as a PCi, but without a built-in amplifier. It's a great deal for someone who already has a spare amp, or prefers to use an external one.

seagul

07-05-07, 07:03 PM

Well dang I really want the 25-31 with an amp guess ill just have to wait for one of those to come on ebay, the most I can afford to pay is $550

iSSues

07-05-07, 07:06 PM

Anyone every herd a pb-plus/2 in a small room?

Macfan424

07-05-07, 07:12 PM

Well dang I really want the 25-31 with an amp guess ill just have to wait for one of those to come on ebay, the most I can afford to pay is $550:confused: That's the price of a 25-31 PCi from SVS. :confused:

Otherwise, keep checking SVS B-Stock. PCi's turn up from time to time, but they don't last long.

seagul

07-05-07, 07:23 PM

yes but when shipping is included it comes out to quite a bit more.

ggunnell

07-05-07, 07:47 PM

. . .I have to do a bit tweaking with phase but it sounds great!! Anyone have any sugestions on Phase with 2 subs ?

I also have two SB12Plus's and an SMS-1 -- what Warp recommends (and I did play around with, Warp) is an interesting side effect of varying the phase of two subs in order to reduce standing waves in your room. That's not the same thing as correct phase timing. You have to set correct timing first, then deal with your rooms standing wave pattern through EQ and treatments. Or through relocating your sub(s), in which case you then retime and reEQ :)

Since your SB12Plus's are close enough to being co-located with your mains to be considered as such (IMO you'll get more even bass if you pull them away from the wall and even up their grills with the front of your equipment stand), and you are sitting (I assume) more or less equidistant from the subs, you should need no relative phase adjustment between the subs -- both their phase controls should be left at zero.

Because of your symmetrical setup, all you have to deal with is using the delay lines (distance settings) in your 3805 to 'time' the bass from the subs with your mains. This is easy with the Yamaha RX-V series, as once you have the sub distance setting called up on the screen you can increase or decrease the distance while bass music (or better, a test tone at or near your crossover frequency) is playing -- the peaks and nulls are easily heard, you're trying for maximum volume. Start with the actual distance to your subs and try increasing it (usually) -- in my system I'm running my SB12's about 11msec ahead of the rest of my system (that means I've got their distance setting about 11 feet longer than it actually is) but YMMV depending on your receiver, etc.

Edit: I'd forgotten about this concurrently ongoing thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=867791
A key point is kinda slipped in early -- in general one ends up having to 'early' the sub signal (unless you can violate the Temporal Prime Directive, that means you have to delay all the OTHER channels) -- but a sub phase control can only delay the sub signal even further. Phase controls are great when you have multiple subs requiring multiple timings.

Warpdrv

07-06-07, 08:44 AM

ggunnell, you are correct. I messed around with it quite a bit and came to the same conclusion. I have my subs set at 180 degrees from each other as they are on opposite sides of the room....

Macfan424

07-06-07, 11:17 AM

yes but when shipping is included it comes out to quite a bit more.$30-50 for most, depending upon where you live of course. Not much worse than sales tax. Maybe it's more outside of big cities, I only checked a couple on the West Coast to see the high end, because it is cheap to Chicago.

Anyway, as I said before, I'd keep an eye on SVS B stock. Shipping can be a real killer on ebay.

antman27

07-06-07, 04:59 PM

Because of your symmetrical setup, all you have to deal with is using the delay lines (distance settings) in your 3805 to 'time' the bass from the subs with your mains. This is easy with the Yamaha RX-V series, as once you have the sub distance setting called up on the screen you can increase or decrease the distance while bass music (or better, a test tone at or near your crossover frequency) is playing -- the peaks and nulls are easily heard, you're trying for maximum volume. Start with the actual distance to your subs and try increasing it (usually) -- in my system I'm running my SB12's about 11msec ahead of the rest of my system (that means I've got their distance setting about 11 feet longer than it actually is) but YMMV depending on your receiver, etc.

Edit: I'd forgotten about this concurrently ongoing thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=867791
A key point is kinda slipped in early -- in general one ends up having to 'early' the sub signal (unless you can violate the Temporal Prime Directive, that means you have to delay all the OTHER channels) -- but a sub phase control can only delay the sub signal even further. Phase controls are great when you have multiple subs requiring multiple timings.

With the denons auto set up it puts the fronts at 11 Ft and the subs at 26 Ft

swgiust

07-06-07, 05:26 PM

I have read that many auto set-up recievers will actually compinsate for the time it takes the subs amplifier to do its thing. This can lead to what looks like an incorrect sub distance, but it is actually right.

ransac

07-06-07, 05:31 PM

With the denons auto set up it puts the fronts at 11 Ft and the subs at 26 FtMy 3805 sets the sub a little farther than it really is, but not close to 26'. My sub is about 3' from the mic and the delay time gets set to about 5.5'. In my previous HT, it was about 6' from the mic and would get set to 9.5'. I don't believe even 26' results in much of a signal delay to the other channels.

ggunnell

07-06-07, 05:45 PM

With the denons auto set up it puts the fronts at 11 Ft and the subs at 26 Ft
So you are 'earlying' your SB12s about 15 msec (speed of roughly 1130 feet per second 70 degrees F sealevel -- very roughly 1 foot per millisecond) -- I'm earlying mine 11 msec -- pretty close :)

Jarin

07-07-07, 01:46 AM

I'm curious if anyone in this thread has any experiences/thoughts regarding the Velodyne SMS-1? I'm thinking of testing one out with my PB-12-NSD/2.

J

Warpdrv

07-07-07, 08:58 AM

They are priceless, and although a touch on the expensive, I think they are worth it...

Solidified the bass in my somewhat difficult room... excellent for multiple subs..

Sherardp

07-07-07, 09:48 AM

I just bought one to go with my dual SVS PB12 Plus 2 setup. I agree, its definitely worth the investment when using multiple subs.

Macfan424

07-07-07, 09:59 AM

swgiust

07-07-07, 10:45 AM

SMS-1 highly recomended.

AnthemAVM

07-07-07, 11:16 AM

I am currently using a JL F113, ans when I get back from vacation am going to put it up for sale, and buy two plus\2 for my room.

Warpdrv

07-07-07, 12:23 PM

Hey Anthem, Why are you selling the F113 & why don't you pre order Dual Ultra 13's... SVS is claiming almost the same output as a Plus/2, but the better drivers and the lower tuning ability to me would call that a winner..

Don't get me wrong, I love my Plus/2 and my Plus together in my huge room, but I will be More then likely upgrading to dual Ultra 13's. I have other intension's for those Plus subs in my house... Just pulled the trigger on a Hot tub, so it won't be until next year... :(

ransac

07-07-07, 01:43 PM

I am currently using a JL F113, ans when I get back from vacation am going to put it up for sale, and buy two plus\2 for my room.
Are you sure that is a wise decision with you living so close to major fault lines and a nuclear power plant? :)

Why are you making this change? I have a +/2, but I did a listening test with a Velo DD18 and an F113. I found the DD and the Fathom had superior SQ to the +/2 but my +/2 hit harder. Of course, that should be expected given the price difference. The impact issue could have been the way the subs were calibrated as I did not set up the DD or the Fathom. Or it could have been room response as these were in a different house.

I agree with Warp. If I were in the market today, the new Ultra would be my preference over the +/2. But that is based purely on conjecture. If it lives up to SVS claims, it should be close to the Fathom in SQ and hit as hard as the +/2. But, the +/2 in Gloss Black has a nice price right now.

Sherardp

07-07-07, 02:42 PM

Are you sure that is a wise decision with you living so close to major fault lines and a nuclear power plant? :)

I found the DD and the Fathom had superior SQ to the +/2 but my +/2 hit harder.
I agree with Warp. If I were in the market today, the new Ultra would be my preference over the +/2.

I heard that the Fathom was an awesome sub, there was one time I wanted to get rid of my first SVS PB12 Plus 2 and go for the Fathom. I ended up saving the coin and adding another SVS and going with the SMS-1 to smooth everything out. Wish I could get my hands on the Fathom, I heard nothing but good things.

gvg45

07-07-07, 03:13 PM

I am currently using a JL F113, ans when I get back from vacation am going to put it up for sale, and buy two plus\2 for my room.
Wow, that was quick. I remember you selling your plus\2 to buy the JL.

ribbit

07-07-07, 08:56 PM

I agree with Warp. If I were in the market today, the new Ultra would be my preference over the +/2. But that is based purely on conjecture. If it lives up to SVS claims, it should be close to the Fathom in SQ and hit as hard as the +/2. But, the +/2 in Gloss Black has a nice price right now.

ransac, I have a DD18, but I have ordered dual units of the unit "that shall not be named on AVS" ... I ordered them because I'm still looking for the kick in the chest performance for HT.

for music, the DD18 is perfect, but for HT, I'm curious with what you mean to be "hits harder" ... I've also tried an Axiom EP500, it still doesn't get me where I want.

do you have your plus/2's calibrated flat? or have you measured the response? is it peaked somewhere? what frequency?

OvalNut

07-07-07, 09:12 PM

Hey ribbit,

For what it's worth, I have a current PC Ultra, calibrated with an 8db house curve, and I am quite happy with how it hits hard, though not as hard in the chest as a Servo15v2 which kicked like a pi$$ed off mule when I demoed one a couple years ago.

I too have ordered a new sub not to be named on AVS. With this new sub I am primarily looking to get extension into the lowest teens, perhaps even single digits. I will report my findings/impressions once I have some time to work with it.

Tim

ribbit

07-07-07, 09:18 PM

ovalnut, with an 8db house curve, do you mean the low end has an 8db boost? up to what frequency does it flatten again?

OvalNut

07-07-07, 09:29 PM

The 8db house curve I run goes up 8db from 80hz to 30hz, then levels out below 30hz.

Tim

AnthemAVM

07-07-07, 09:59 PM

Jarin

07-08-07, 12:58 AM

I'll join Warpdrv and Sherardp in praise of the SMS-1. For me, it made almost as much of an improvement as the sub itself. Terrific enhancement of sound quality with a single sub, invaluable with two.
Sounds like good reviews. Looks like I'll be ordering one Monday. Thanks for the feedback.

J

ransac

07-08-07, 01:00 AM

ransac, I have a DD18, but I have ordered dual units of the unit "that shall not be named on AVS" ... I ordered them because I'm still looking for the kick in the chest performance for HT.

for music, the DD18 is perfect, but for HT, I'm curious with what you mean to be "hits harder" ... I've also tried an Axiom EP500, it still doesn't get me where I want.

do you have your plus/2's calibrated flat? or have you measured the response? is it peaked somewhere? what frequency?When I say the +/2 hit harder, I did mean it had a more visceral impact. Because I was hearing the DD and the F113 on someone elses system, I wasn't in control of the settings. So, I can't confirm the lesser impact was due to the subs or the set up. I posted my comments in my own thread, but it appears that thread has faded into the archives, somewhere. I do run my sub hot, but I like it that way. I calibrate flat then adjust to taste. Once in a while, I will recalibrate and then tweak over time. I also change the tune of the sub on occasion. I do this to keep from getting board with the tone. IIRC, REW showed I had a nasty null at 37Hz and 68Hz.

I just moved from a home where my HT was in the living room that was opened to the rest of the house. With all doors closed, I still had over 8,800cf. Sub was about 6' from the LP. I now have the sub in a closed, 1300cf room directly behind the couch. Unfortunately, setting up the HT is not high up on the Honey Do list. This move has had so much work involved that the Honey Do list has turned into a Do It or You're Dead list. Tensions are running deep.

Anyway, when I get things up and running and recalibrated, I will post my impressions of my +/2 in a small space. I hope I don't hurt myself. :)

ribbit

07-08-07, 06:22 AM

thanks ransac. will wait for your update

ribbit

07-08-07, 06:22 AM

The 8db house curve I run goes up 8db from 80hz to 30hz, then levels out below 30hz.

Tim

thanks ovalnut ... will try to move my boost from 30-50 to about 80hz

LeonardoP

07-08-07, 12:23 PM

Of course the SVS Ultra's suprasses the F113s in output. Can you believe two of the Ultra 13's for the same price as the F113? Really no comparision. A product clearly built on hype cannot last for long. Things change rather quickly as new products come on line that are better and at a better price point!

Warpdrv

07-08-07, 01:54 PM

I have been thinking about the new 13 from SVS, but know that the plus/2 hit hard in my room and was a good fit. While the JL is better for music, I enjoy the bass from my S5.4. We will see how quickly I can sell the JL and maybe by the time I get home SVS will know more about shipping of the new.

A buddy of mine stated that SVS sent an email out to him, that the PC-Ultra13's would be shipping by the last week of July, and the Boxes would be early Aug... does that mean the first week or the second I don't know...

Just throwing that out there for what its worth. So to jump on the savings, its still in pre-order time, as well as returning customers, get an additional 5% off.

I eventually, depending on reviews of the Ultra 13 (which Im sure will be great) will be moving the Plus/2 and Plus I have in my great room, and replacing them with Dual Ultra Boxes.

I am happy with what I have now, but I know that Dual 13's will put it to shame, as well as the SQ improvement with the New & improved driver, not to mention the Lower tuning capabilities.

RMK!

07-08-07, 09:33 PM

When I say the +/2 hit harder, I did mean it had a more visceral impact. Because I was hearing the DD and the F113 on someone elses system, I wasn't in control of the settings. So, I can't confirm the lesser impact was due to the subs or the set up. I posted my comments in my own thread, but it appears that thread has faded into the archives, somewhere. I do run my sub hot, but I like it that way. I calibrate flat then adjust to taste. Once in a while, I will recalibrate and then tweak over time. I also change the tune of the sub on occasion. I do this to keep from getting board with the tone. IIRC, REW showed I had a nasty null at 37Hz and 68Hz.

I just moved from a home where my HT was in the living room that was opened to the rest of the house. With all doors closed, I still had over 8,800cf. Sub was about 6' from the LP. I now have the sub in a closed, 1300cf room directly behind the couch. Unfortunately, setting up the HT is not high up on the Honey Do list. This move has had so much work involved that the Honey Do list has turned into a Do It or You're Dead list. Tensions are running deep.

Anyway, when I get things up and running and recalibrated, I will post my impressions of my +/2 in a small space. I hope I don't hurt myself. :)

Since I am the someone of "someone else's system" I thought I'd chime in. When Randy visited and we did an informal listening test (BTW Randy congrats on the house :) ) I had the subs level matched to my speakers. I prefer to run them this way but have experimented with running them "hot" and it is kinda fun for movies. :D

Babel_Fish

07-09-07, 11:57 AM

A buddy of mine stated that SVS sent an email out to him, that the PC-Ultra13's would be shipping by the last week of July, and the Boxes would be early Aug... does that mean the first week or the second I don't know...

Looks like they are now stating even longer..

"Pre-order now! Shipping starts Mid-August 2007" (http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-pb13ultra.cfm)

swgiust

07-09-07, 12:08 PM

I am going to try this, any comments??

Set the Ultra to 16hz with 2 plugs and the Plus to 20 hz and one plug.

Doesnt this take into account the strengths of each sub, Ultra going lower
and the Plus going higher??

Any comments or thoughts?

Got my plus/2 last week and really have not been around to give it a good workout.

ransac

07-09-07, 01:16 PM

Since I am the someone of "someone else's system" I thought I'd chime in. When Randy visited and we did an informal listening test (BTW Randy congrats on the house :) ) I had the subs level matched to my speakers. I prefer to run them this way but have experimented with running them "hot" and it is kinda fun for movies. :DThanks Rob. I wasn't trying say the DD18 or the F113 couldn't shake things up as much or more than the +/2. I should have been more emphatic about the way I run my system hot and that when you are used to that, when you hear a system that is calibrated flat, the bass seems to lack impact. It has been stated on this forum many times that you first have to give a new sub or sound system time and get acclimated to what you are hearing before you make adjustments or judgements.

Now, as I get older and start to approach Rob's age, I too will change my listening preferences and go more for SQ and less for plaster realignment. By then, they should have a solid state, 3" cube, 110db, subsonic woofer that costs $12. I guess we should get the Chinese working on that. :)

RMK!

07-09-07, 01:39 PM

Thanks Rob. I wasn't trying say the DD18 or the F113 couldn't shake things up as much or more than the +/2. I should have been more emphatic about the way I run my system hot and that when you are used to that, when you hear a system that is calibrated flat, the bass seems to lack impact. It has been stated on this forum many times that you first have to give a new sub or sound system time and get acclimated to what you are hearing before you make adjustments or judgements.

Now, as I get older and start to approach Rob's age, I too will change my listening preferences and go more for SQ and less for plaster realignment. By then, they should have a solid state, 3" cube, 110db, subsonic woofer that costs $12. I guess we should get the Chinese working on that. :)

I'm older than you? Just goes to show looks can be deceiving. :p

I just got a new SSP and watched Harsh Times with the F113's running 6db HOT :eek: You would have loved it Randy. Turned my house into a low rider. :cool:

ransac

07-09-07, 03:12 PM

I'm older than you? Just goes to show looks can be deceiving. :p

I just got a new SSP and watched Harsh Times with the F113's running 6db HOT :eek: You would have loved it Randy. Turned my house into a low rider. :cool:The years have just been kinder to you. Must be the thinner atmosphere at 6'5" versus 5'10".

I understand you also replaced you MAs. So you have almost a completely different system than before. Starting to sound like a sick addition. :)

I haven't calibrated or played with placement yet, but my HT is now on the second floor. Before it was on the first floor with a concrete slab foundation. Of the little I have played in my new digs, I have found I don't care for the sound with the sub running hot. Maybe it's the fact that the floor now shakes which may be causing more things to rattle as well as a slower response/decay time. Still a lot to do before making a final judgement.

iSSues

07-09-07, 10:15 PM

Quick question. Everyone with the PB+,PB/2 and the NSD/2. When it got to your house did they help you take it in your house? Do you have stairs,ect...? Thanks

ransac

07-10-07, 12:39 AM

Quick question. Everyone with the PB+,PB/2 and the NSD/2. When it got to your house did they help you take it in your house? Do you have stairs,ect...? ThanksThe driver would have taken my +/2 into the house, but I had him leave it at the front door so I could uncrate it. I then used a dolly to move it into the house. During that move, I suffered a heart attack and spent 4 days in the hospital. My neighbors finished placing the sub for me. Though I don't recommend you use this tactic to get your neighbors to help you.

The heart attack was not the fault of the sub. Two people can easily move a +/2, but stairs will be a little more difficult. If you have a hand truck, that would make thing a little easier.

If you're young and healthy, don't worry about moving these. If you're not young or healthy, buy a six pack of Corona and invite a couple of friends over to help you.

Warpdrv

07-10-07, 01:00 AM

Quick question. Everyone with the PB+,PB/2 and the NSD/2. When it got to your house did they help you take it in your house? Do you have stairs,ect...? Thanks

I have found that most of the time the driver will help you... A $10 bill will go pretty far. I have only had one guy say "I AM NOT ALLOWED IN THE HOUSE" either way, these are big unwieldy Items... Even just a Plus (single driver) was more then I could handle alone.. My Plus/2 was even more of a Pain in the A$$.

Best advice is just to have someone there to help you... Most guys are thrilled to help with a big nasty Sub like a Plus/2. If you have hard wood floors get a nice big bath towel to put it on and slide it around... works awesome..

Tweakophyte

07-10-07, 07:57 AM

Looks like they are now stating even longer..

"Pre-order now! Shipping starts Mid-August 2007" (http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-pb13ultra.cfm)

It looks like the box subs will be mid-Aug while the cylinder subs are still late-July. I am not sure of what the website has said, but I do remember it being stated the PCs were going to ship before the PBs did.

Of course, that does not make the wait any easier.
:)

mlowie

07-10-07, 08:19 PM

Quick question. Everyone with the PB+,PB/2 and the NSD/2. When it got to your house did they help you take it in your house? Do you have stairs,ect...? Thanks
As my driver came up to my door with my +/2 strapped to his hand truck, I politely asked him to just leave it strapped to the handtruck and bring it just inside my front door which he was more than happy to do. I uncrated it in my dining room and used the bathtowel technique to slide across the tile floor into my HT. The wife did assist with the uncrating and was surprisingly helpful in the moving process.

antman27

07-10-07, 08:45 PM

As my driver came up to my door with my +/2 strapped to his hand truck, I politely asked him to just leave it strapped to the handtruck and bring it just inside my front door which he was more than happy to do. I uncrated it in my dining room and used the bathtowel technique to slide across the tile floor into my HT. The wife did assist with the uncrating and was surprisingly helpful in the moving process.
Sounds like someone needs to buy flowers
As I unpacked my SB12+ My daughter jumped in and its her new Story box for anyone with Kids that likes Pinkie Dinkie Doo you will know what a story box is !

gvg45

07-10-07, 08:58 PM

The wife did assist with the uncrating and was surprisingly helpful in the moving process.
Sounds like you have a keeper! ;) :D

DrPainMD

07-10-07, 09:20 PM

Sounds like you have a keeper! ;) :D
the sub or the wife ;) :cool: :D :) :rolleyes:

goofy11

07-11-07, 01:29 PM

I just posted a survey to get an idea of how many SVS owners have had problems with their subs. I'm sure I just got a lemon, but I'm intersted to know what the general reliablitity is of SVS products. Please take a second to answer the survey question:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=873614

Babel_Fish

07-11-07, 04:06 PM

Just got this from SVS.. guess the delay is official.. 1 more month to add to my wait :(

"Dear PB13-Ultra Customer,

We have has a short extension in the shipping of some items needed to complete our first production runs of the cutting-edge PB13-Ultra subwoofer you recently ordered from us. This will result in a slight change to our expected shipping dates for you. While we hoped to sneak out the first few before the end of July, it seems as though mid-late August will be closer to reality; or about a 30 day delay from what we predicted some months ago.

...

Best regards from all of us at SVSound"

Fargus777

07-11-07, 05:39 PM

just got the same e mail, I wonder if the delay is just on the box's and not the Cylinders

Babel_Fish

07-11-07, 05:57 PM

why? did you order a cylinder?? :)

Fargus777

07-11-07, 06:05 PM

no, but I was thinking about changing my preorder to a cylinder. The wife likes the idea of putting it behind the tv so she can keep her end table where its at! : ) She shockingly said she likes the look of the cylinder. I figured she would think it was ugly and never agree to having it.

Southern

07-11-07, 09:23 PM

Sounds like you have a keeper! ;) :D

My SVS +2 arrived the other day and had it been any bigger my wife would have used it as my coffin. :eek:

duwdu

07-12-07, 08:05 AM

My SVS +2 arrived the other day and had it been any bigger my wife would have used it as my coffin. :eek:
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!! :D :D :D ... all you would have needed to have taken with you in the coffin would have been a couple of super-bass movies and a few SACD's/DVD-A's...

But since you survived, bet you are enjoying your +2 here on earth :cool: :D

Southern

07-12-07, 08:28 AM

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!! :D :D :D ... all you would have needed to have taken with you in the coffin would have been a couple of super-bass movies and a few SACD's/DVD-A's...

But since you survived, bet you are enjoying your +2 here on earth :cool: :D

Put in Predator last night since the wife wasn't home and it felt like Arnold and his men were gunning down my family room. :D

I am very impressed with the dynamic range, I don't need it turned up very loud to get the explosions to feel realistic. My HT system puts the movie theater to shame.

Captain Crunch

07-13-07, 09:51 PM

My SVS +2 arrived the other day and had it been any bigger my wife would have used it as my coffin. :eek:

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/dirtbox/pics/muttley.gif
Now that's just funny!

iSSues

07-13-07, 10:27 PM

For everyone who has the PB12+. Can you give me your input on it. If you have pic's or reviews that would be great.

HagardProduction

07-17-07, 11:23 PM

I just joined the SVS club today and I have to say I love it.

I received my 5.1 SVS system with the PB12-NSD as my sub...I haven't gotten a chance to watch a full movie yet but, I demoed the War of the Worlds Lightning scene and it was awesome! I demoed it 5x tonight and everytime it left me with a huge smile stuck to my face and everyone else who watched it loved it. Tomorrow night I'm gonna watch Pirates on Blu-ray, I can't wait! A huge thanks to Ed for answering all my questions and hooking me up.

-Greg

Ed Mullen

07-18-07, 07:32 AM

Hi Greg:

Glad everything arrived in perfect condition and is exceeding your expectations. Thanks for the kind words and enjoy your new system to the fullest! As always, you have liftetime support from SVS, so don't hesitate to drop us an email anytime.

F355FTS

07-18-07, 03:24 PM

Just thought id say I am enjoying my 20-39 + with the 12.3 driver for about 6 months now. Only sub i have ever owned and i am thinking its all i need.

Calibration is very important. wish there would have been a little more info about calibrating in the owners manual.

I still feel its not quit calibrated right, but sure does sound good :)

ggunnell

07-18-07, 07:37 PM

F355FTS, what calibration info would you like to see added to the SVS manual?

One grey area to me is how far a sub manufacturer should go to cover external devices. Advanced calibration, involving a calibrated mic, software and or hardware, is hard to cover in the necessary detail since it's all other manufacturer's stuff -- perhaps the best that could be done here is a mention of some applicable products and or a few web links to sources of information?

mark090852

07-23-07, 09:44 AM

Has anyone who preordered a PC-13 Ultra heard from SVS that they are starting to ship? It's gotta be getting close. :)

Fargus777

07-23-07, 06:15 PM

Wow, I didn't think anyone actually posted in here anymore! : )

I was told as early as this week when I called them a week ago. Who knows if thats how its going to be.

mark090852

07-23-07, 08:17 PM

Wow, I didn't think anyone actually posted in here anymore! : )

I was told as early as this week when I called them a week ago. Who knows if thats how its going to be.

I hope you're right. I've got my room all ready and waiting for it. Sub cable is run....just needs something to plug into.

AnthemAVM

07-23-07, 10:52 PM

I heard that it is still about 3 to 4 weeks away.

Fargus777

07-23-07, 10:57 PM

I know the boxes are that long away, I was under the impression that the cylinders were just about ready.

AnthemAVM

07-23-07, 11:06 PM

What is the advantage of the cylinder over the box?

Bill3508

07-23-07, 11:27 PM

What is the advantage of the cylinder over the box?

Placement. Much smaller footprint on the ground compared to a huge box. Although some don't like the water heater look. I'm anxious for my PB13 to get here.

Bill3508

blahblah123

07-24-07, 02:23 AM

Hey guys,

I have a $1500 budget (as stated in other threads) and am trying to gather some opinions on SVS speakers vs. Deftech speakers. If I go with the deftech speakers I will be getting 4 pm1000's, hopefully a pc2000, a prosub1000, and maybe 2 other rears a little later on. Now I've been recommended SVS a couple times on this forum but I cannot audition them obviously so can some of you give me some input on the difference in sound quality between deftech and SVS speakers (preferrable ones in the same price range).

Also, on the SVS website i see that the PB12-NSD is out of stock and backordered until mid august. So can maybe some of you recommend a SVS set up that stays around my budget but includes a sub that will sound awesome that isn't the PB12. If you can also please compare to deftech speakers as thats the only reference point I have as of now.

Edit: my room size is about 13 x 14 but I may be moving the system to a larger living room later so feel free to utilize the entire budget if you werent going to already

mark090852

07-24-07, 07:07 PM

What is the advantage of the cylinder over the box?

Yes, what Bill said. Our HT room is too small and already filled with furniture so there is no room to place a large box sub and still keep the room aesthetically pleasing to my wife (and myself). We have a back corner in that room that the cylinder sub will fill nicely.

BroncoSport

07-24-07, 10:51 PM

And for people like me who is going to be hiding all of my speakers, the new PC13ultra will fit perfectly behind one of my proscenium wall (although admitingly I designed for placing a cylinder sub behind them from the start..... :)

Anyway. common SVS... send the dang sub already. I know I havent got the room ready yet, but.... so what. I know that I dont "technically" need it yet...BUT I WANT IT NOW!!!! I will be hooking it up in the current LR and "trying it out" :)

Bill3508

07-24-07, 11:58 PM

I think the PC13's are about to be shipped according to a couple post over at Audioholics. One person is supossed to get his Monday. He's going to post pics so you might check in over there.

Bill3508

ggunnell

07-25-07, 10:47 AM

. . .I have a $1500 budget (as stated in other threads) and am trying to gather some opinions on SVS speakers vs. Deftech speakers. . . . maybe some of you recommend a SVS set up that stays around my budget but includes a sub that will sound awesome that isn't the PB12. If you can also please compare to deftech speakers as thats the only reference point I have as of now.

Blahblah, the Official Manufacturer threads are just for that manufacturer's product support. You need to have your Def Tech vs SVS discussion in another thread. On the backordered PB12s -- mid-August is just a few weeks away ;)

ggunnell

07-25-07, 11:25 AM

Per Ron, photographs were to be posted on the SVS site and each preorder customer was to be contacted by email prior to actual shipping. This was in late June when the target start of shipping was late July. On the photography, Ron may have just meant the box subs -- hopefully we all know what a 16-46 cylinder looks like :)

Until such photos appear and folks start receiving emails . . . let's encourage SVS, who undoubtedly would like to generate some cash flow as much as we would like to receive their subs, not to get in too much of a hurry in assembly or shipping.
Parts do occasionally fail, but a 60 lb driver would be a real female dog to replace ;)

Babel_Fish

07-25-07, 12:06 PM

As much as I would love my Ultra13 now, I would rather wait and get a stable product (or something that was stable but got damaged in shipping because the crates didn't meet standard). But if they do ship now... I won't complain :)

ggunnell

07-25-07, 03:11 PM

Bill above was kind enough to point me to Audioholics instead of the Spot, for the following post: http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=286744&postcount=75
So I guess the cylinders are shipping -- anyone else get an email?

icrnk

07-26-07, 10:07 AM

rockemsockem

07-26-07, 11:16 AM

If anyone in the Indianapolis area is interested in hearing the SB12-Plus, SVS has provided me one to audition, as well as a pair of SBS-01's. I will have a few friends over this Sunday afternoon if anyone wants to join in.

Nothing big, just listening to some tunes.

PM me for details.

DreamCatcher

07-26-07, 11:24 AM

My Ultra13 is on the way!
Should be here Tuesday.
Shipping weight 114lbs :eek:

dc

Babel_Fish

07-26-07, 11:28 AM

oh man!!! When are the PB's coming out??!?!! :( I want mine really bad!!!!! lol

mojomike

07-26-07, 11:30 AM

Mine should be in Monday. I checked the UPS tracking it shows that it's already on it's way. I don't have a spl meter or avia disc but was planning on buying a spl meter this weekend. Can I still use the meter without an Avia disc and if so how. Do I use the THX setup available on some of the DVDs or is there something else I can probably pic up locally?

You probably can use the THX setup on some DVD's like some of the Star War DVD's. Do you have a surround sound receiver or pre-amp? They usually have test tone generators built in. Also, on this site you can download all kinds of different test tones which you can then burn to disc:

http://www.realmofexcursion.com/

icrnk

07-26-07, 12:43 PM

I have a Pioneer VSX-516 and I don't think this budget model has test tones. I don't have any Star Wars but I think I've seen the THX setup on Pixar and Dreamworks DVDs. I'll try the link you included; thanks.

You probably can use the THX setup on some DVD's like some of the Star War DVD's. Do you have a surround sound receiver or pre-amp? They usually have test tone generators built in. Also, on this site you can download all kinds of different test tones which you can then burn to disc:

http://www.realmofexcursion.com/

Macfan424

07-26-07, 01:02 PM

ggunnell

07-26-07, 05:26 PM

. . . I don't have a spl meter or avia disc but was planning on buying a spl meter this weekend. Can I still use the meter without an Avia disc and if so how. . . .

If you don't want to download test tones, the car audio scene has many CD's -- here is one such: http://www.pandisc.com/catquery.cfm?productID=PD-8897

drrick

07-29-07, 11:21 PM

Hey guys! I just wanted to drop a note in here to say that I've joined the SVS family. I got an SVS PB-10 NSD almost two weeks ago (off of eBay, sorry--it was a great deal though!), and I think I've finally got it dialed in to where I like it. I had a Velodyne CHT-8, which was pretty decent, especially for a first subwoofer, but it was way too small for my room, and was only rated to around 30 Hz. I was able to get it to around 28 Hz in room, but I really wanted some extra punch, and the ability to feel some subsonic frequencies.

I have to say that the PB-10 is great! I've gotten an almost perfectly flat response in room to about 17Hz (about -3dB at 15-16 Hz) and a great blend with the rest of my speakers (I never thought the variable phase would be a useful feature, but it makes a big difference!) I've been enjoying the extra slam that it's been able to do on movies, but tonight I played some of my CD's with good, complex bass lines and sounds, and man, this sub does a great job. I have some really good headphones and a self-built amp, and I didn't know if I'd ever be able to get the kind of tight bass I get in my headphones with a sub, but this sub gives me the same tight bass with the added benefit of being able to feel it too. I've read all about how great SVS subs are, and I'm glad to finally be able to experience it for myself. I'm enjoying going back through my CD's and DVD's to hear them again. Thanks for making a great product SVS!

icrnk

07-30-07, 06:04 PM

http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/138041/

I didn't get a SPL Meter yet but does anyone have some general setups?

I have the pioneer receiver set at 80 for the crossover. Have the gain on the SVS about 1/4. Phase is at 0. Not sure what to do with the Parametric EQ.

What should the SW (subwoofer) level be set at as I go through the test tones? Range is from -10 thru +10.

Fargus777

07-30-07, 06:08 PM

drool...

Im still waiting for the PB's to ship!

Ron Temple

07-30-07, 06:43 PM

icrnk

07-30-07, 06:49 PM

Start at -5...if it sounds a bit boomy, try a different placement...you really need a meter.

Yeah, I guess I do. I'll get one soon. I'll try -5 but that seems really low. Even 0 sounded low; not boomy at all.

thebeatles67

07-30-07, 09:28 PM

I pulled the trigger again last night. This time its the rosenut PBUltra 13. previously owned a PB12Ultra/2--sold it during the divorce. Can't wait to mate it up with my newly acquired PSB Platinum set up.

bgillyjcu

07-30-07, 11:06 PM

I'll be watching 300 tomorrow with an audience....lets hope the 16-46+ shakes the hell of out us!

Hopefully sooner rather than later I can afford to add a 2nd 16-46+ to the mix!!!

art vandalay

07-31-07, 04:44 PM

ggunnell

07-31-07, 06:46 PM

Art, if you can see the circuit board through the woofer hole with a flashlight, the terminals where the wires attach are marked like "SPKR+" and SPKR-" I think.

BroncoSport

07-31-07, 07:06 PM

ooooh, oooooh, ooooh.... somebody got an email today about a certain Ultra13 sub that I will be getting delivered on Friday. yipee! Although the theater is far from done and the rest of the already purchased audio gear is sitting in the bedroom, I WILL BE HOOKING IT UP... at least for a trial run inthe upstairs living room! :)

just rubbing it in...
Scott

Captain Crunch

07-31-07, 09:49 PM

AnthemAVM

07-31-07, 10:06 PM

BroncoSport

07-31-07, 10:21 PM

cylinder. The boxes are still delayed till mid August.. I believe

DreamCatcher

08-01-07, 01:06 AM

Don't tell anybody, moderators look away, but my SVS Ultra13 arrived today.
I've only had time to get it unboxed, placed in it's new home, calibrated, EQ using it's built in EQ system and listen to a few of my reference movie/music tracks.
(Darla scene, WOTW scenes, Massive Attack - Angel and Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms)
How can I put this...... RIDICULOUS
The ease at which this beast puts out bass is RIDICULOUS.

dc

ribbit

08-01-07, 01:28 AM

what were your previous subs dreamcatcher?

DreamCatcher

08-01-07, 01:54 AM

what were your previous subs dreamcatcher?
You name it.........
SVS Ultra
HSU HO w/Turbo
JL Audio f113
SVS Ultra/2
and almost everything in between.
So far I'd say the Ultra13 gives me the quality output of the f113,
with higher output,
and deeper output,
than all of the above.
I've only had a half day, actually a couple of hours to play with it.
But so far, RIDICULOUS

dc

ribbit

08-01-07, 02:13 AM

thanks DC ...

mojomike

08-01-07, 08:40 AM

You name it.........
SVS Ultra
HSU HO w/Turbo
JL Audio f113
SVS Ultra/2
and almost everything in between.
So far I'd say the Ultra13 gives me the quality output of the f113,
with higher output,
and deeper output,
than all of the above.
I've only had a half day, actually a couple of hours to play with it.
But so far, RIDICULOUS

dc

That sounds exciting, he says anxiously awaiting the PB... :D

Ed Mullen

08-01-07, 09:27 AM

Could anyone help me by telling me which is the + wire inside my pb10-nsd? Is it the one with writing on it and the long stripe/line? I just got a replacement driver and i forgot which wire is which. :(

The wire with the white stripe and the writing is the positive amp lead.

The positive terminal on the woofer is marked red and also has a polarity mark.

ribbit

08-01-07, 10:08 AM

That sounds exciting, he says anxiously awaiting the PB... :D

hehe ... wait til you see what I'm waiting for ...

Bill3508

08-01-07, 10:45 AM

getech

08-01-07, 11:55 AM

You name it.........
SVS Ultra
HSU HO w/Turbo
JL Audio f113
SVS Ultra/2
and almost everything in between.
So far I'd say the Ultra13 gives me the quality output of the f113,
with higher output,
and deeper output,
than all of the above.
I've only had a half day, actually a couple of hours to play with it.
But so far, RIDICULOUS

dc
Congrat's on getting one of the first SVS Ultra 13's! Would you say it beats the F113 in overall performance? Looks like the cost / value ratio is rather skewed in SVS's corner.

AnthemAVM

08-01-07, 12:52 PM

I don't think the Ultra was ever made to compete with the F113, but to hear this, that is exciting

DrPainMD

08-01-07, 01:16 PM

Exclamation New SVS Ultra - Please Take it elsewhere
Hello...

Because AVS is not about post marketing, we ask that all the hype and what have you be taken elsewhere on the new SVS Ultra sub that will be out some time in the future.

This site is first and foremost for support...Not pre-sales on products.

SVS should have their own forum site for their products and I would be happy to help them with it if needed. However, we can not allow for the continued direct marketing here on AVS as it again has gone further than it should. (We have no thread to step in for some time...but I am sorry to say it seems we needed to again.)

Thank you kindly.

So since there out now, does this mean you can start threads about them and they won't get deleted?

bgillyjcu

08-01-07, 02:36 PM

yes....we can talk about it now because its out and the speculation is over...

now we need someone who has one to do some testing and tell us about their thoughts...

DrPainMD

08-01-07, 02:40 PM

yes....we can talk about it now because its out and the speculation is over...

now we need someone who has one to do some testing and tell us about their thoughts...

I dare you to start one :D

DreamCatcher

08-01-07, 03:58 PM

Please post some pics if you can?

Bill3508
OK here's a few pics......

Jakeman02

08-01-07, 04:09 PM

It might be the pic but it looks friggin HUGE. I use to have a 20-39 + and it looks like it would dwarf it.

DreamCatcher

08-01-07, 04:12 PM

Congrat's on getting one of the first SVS Ultra 13's! Would you say it beats the F113 in overall performance? Looks like the cost / value ratio is rather skewed in SVS's corner.
Can't really say yet..... but,
It definately beats the f113 in low bass extension.
My f113 rolled off rather rapidly below 20hz.
The Ultra13 has no such roll off, in fact it's flat from 20hz to 15hz with no ports plugged, based on my SMS-1's graph.

DreamCatcher

08-01-07, 04:16 PM

It might be the pic but it looks friggin HUGE. I use to have a 20-39 + and it looks like it would dwarf it.
That was the first thing I said when I got it out of the box,
this thing is friggin huge!
It definately dwarfs the old Ultra.

dc

imromo24

08-01-07, 04:24 PM

I dare you to start one :D
I think that whole thing is just silly, but your right. My friend is having his preorder filled very shortly and can't wait. Glad someone got one so "we can talk about it"

Spezzy

08-01-07, 05:46 PM

OK here's a few pics......
Looks pretty cool.
I'm going to buy the tube I think.
The box looks better to me in my opinion, but with the tube being only 16" around that fits my size needs perfectly.
It does have all the features of the box though right?
EDIT:
Have another question.
Will it be enough for me SQ wise and SPL wise? My room is 800cu ft or so. I'm used to extremely high SPL's while DJ'ing, would be great to have that in my HT/Studio as well at extremely low frequencies.
Otherwise, I guess I'll get a Dual 18" JBL. Can't think of anything else.

Bill3508

08-01-07, 11:05 PM

Looks pretty cool.
I'm going to buy the tube I think.
The box looks better to me in my opinion, but with the tube being only 16" around that fits my size needs perfectly.
It does have all the features of the box though right?
EDIT:
Have another question.
Will it be enough for me SQ wise and SPL wise? My room is 800cu ft or so. I'm used to extremely high SPL's while DJ'ing, would be great to have that in my HT/Studio as well at extremely low frequencies.
Otherwise, I guess I'll get a Dual 18" JBL. Can't think of anything else.

800 cu feet, I would think it would be plenty. Same features as the box, just not as pretty imho. Speed up the next two weeks. Hooah.

Bill3508

DrPainMD

08-01-07, 11:16 PM

I think that whole thing is just silly, but your right. My friend is having his preorder filled very shortly and can't wait. Glad someone got one so "we can talk about it"

yes very silly , and cant wait to hear peoples impressions

bgillyjcu

08-01-07, 11:31 PM

so now....16-46+ vs a PC-13...

Same sizes...different drivers and tuning point...

I wonder how the stack up...

Spezzy

08-01-07, 11:33 PM

so now....16-46+ vs a PC-13...

Same sizes...different drivers and tuning point...

I wonder how the stack up...

I thought the new Ultra was alot taller than the older ones no?

bgillyjcu

08-01-07, 11:54 PM

no...the new ultra is the same exact size as a 16-46+

its really a 20-46ULTRA if you think about it..

Spezzy

08-01-07, 11:59 PM

no...the new ultra is the same exact size as a 16-46+

its really a 20-46ULTRA if you think about it..

Oh, thanks.

bgillyjcu

08-02-07, 12:03 AM

Oh, thanks.

No problem....both subs are 16in diameter by 46in tall.

The larger woofer in the ULTRA makes the tuning point 20HZ....rather than the 16hz tuning point with the smaller 12inch PC+ woofer...

I have a 16-46+ right now and Love it.....I just wonder if I'd love DUAL 16-46+ or a 16-46+ and a PC-ultra better....

mojomike

08-02-07, 12:13 AM

I think what causes the higher tuning even more than the woofer is the three 3.5" ports in the 13Ultra which would have to use up more internal space than the 3" ports in the "Plus".

bgillyjcu

08-02-07, 12:17 AM

well the ports and the woofer size and the woofer magnet volume displacement all have something to do with it. I know I wasn't 100% right for the reasoning....and I'm still not 100% technically right, but we all get the idea here... :)

Damn I want to hear one of these bad boys!

mojomike

08-02-07, 12:35 AM

Don't you live fairly close to the SVS office/factory?

DreamCatcher

08-02-07, 12:50 AM

I thought the new Ultra was alot taller than the older ones no?
Yes the new Ultra is taller than the old Ultra, quite a bit taller.

dc

imromo24

08-02-07, 08:59 AM

Confirmation email sent! Should be "Ultra" loud bass playing real soon...

icrnk

08-02-07, 10:31 AM

I know my setup will be different when I calibrate with an spl meter this weekend, but I was curious as to what you have your gain set at?
I haven't calibrated yet but have mine at a little over 1/4.

Can't really say yet..... but,
It definately beats the f113 in low bass extension.
My f113 rolled off rather rapidly below 20hz.
The Ultra13 has no such roll off, in fact it's flat from 20hz to 15hz with no ports plugged, based on my SMS-1's graph.

DreamCatcher

08-02-07, 11:02 AM

I know my setup will be different when I calibrate with an spl meter this weekend, but I was curious as to what you have your gain set at?
I haven't calibrated yet but have mine at a little over 1/4.
I have mine set a little higher, a little over 1/3, all ports open.
But it shouldn't make a difference once everything is calibrated, etc....

dc

bgillyjcu

08-02-07, 11:47 AM

I asked Ron on another forum about the pc-ultra vs 16-46+. He had both in his office in CO so i figured he as a good person to ask about them...

he responded..."I didn't do them A/B but in the short time I had the new PC-Ultra I would note less subsonic overtones, but the headroom, the HEADROOM on the PC-Ultra is not to be believed. With some of the deepest/loudest music bass I've ever heard on popular music, it was simply effortless. Coming from one of the founders at SVS, that's should tell you something.

Hit's pushing the 120dB range (C-weighted, Fast, no compensation) that surely would have put the PC+ to the stops, just kept rolling with seemingly no strain. It's a small reasonably closed room in my downtown office, but trust me, I've bottomed PC+ subs in there before (sure, it was at very high SPLs, but my ears weren't bleeding). Like I said, with the new PC-Ultra, I gave up before the sub did, and this wasn't even the final amp."

Dear god this thing must be amazing...

I can only imagine what the PB=13 will do since they are saying it is going to be even better than the pc-ultra....

hmmm...a 16-46+ tuned to 12hz along with a PB-13 running native could be a deadly combination of SUBSONIC POWER with headroom galore.... :)

imromo24

08-02-07, 12:42 PM

All due respect to those affected...but Did somebody in Minnesota get a preorder delivered yesterday?

goneten

08-02-07, 07:25 PM

I have a question directed to Ron or Tom. I believe that you are in the process of expanding to South African shores ? If so then that is great news indeed.

Do you have any more information concerning this ? I would like to get another SVS PB10 ISD but I believe that you are not shipping as of yet. Please give me an indication if you can because I don't want to wait forever. :)

Thanks.

--Regards,

Something_Soft

08-03-07, 04:33 AM

rockemsockem

08-03-07, 05:52 AM

Hello. I am currently buying up a new home theater. I pre ordered the pb13 after hearing the original ultra, and now I'm deciding whether or not to preorder on the upcoming speaker line. My main question is this. What will be the main difference between your mid line and your large line? I would hate to buy the mid line only to find out shortly after that the large line would have fit my needs and taste more.

That's something you need to email directly to the company at sales@svsound.com.

They can't talk about unreleased products on this forum, plus they don't have time to check it often.

That said, if you have the budget, you always want to look at the most expensive speakers you can afford IMO. But sometimes you don't always get boatloads more in performance.

Look at Paradigm for example with their Studio series, and Signature series. Alot of people would argue that the Sigs are just Studio speakers with better finishes, and even though they have better components, they don't sound alot better.

On the other hand, look at Dynaudio, you wouldn't be looking at the Audience lineup, if you can afford the Contour series. :rolleyes:

You have to decide, are you after value from your system, or do you want cost no object, balls to the wall performance. Just remember, the more you spend on speakers, the more you will have to spend on electronics to drive them.

Good luck in building your system.

homeaudio4fun

08-04-07, 04:33 PM

IM NOW PART OF THE FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just bought a pb-10 today, oh happy day happy day.

Spezzy

08-04-07, 11:06 PM

Owners of the PC Ultra, what are your thoughts on sound quality? I really want one, but it's going to take a bit to convince my parents to let me buy one (even though it's my money :() Also, what kind of SPLs are you guys getting at 10-18hz?
Thanks :D

lienly

08-05-07, 07:27 AM

y, SVS provides not only first class performance, but service! :D
it's really HUGE! 1/4 of stand piano size! :eek: much bigger than I expected.
sure, won't regret to get such monster! great performance with attractive $! :p

plan to get new ultra13 to home....... :rolleyes:

The SVS and the Velodyne seemed to be close in performance based on what I had read, but the size of the SVS was scaring me off. Got the size past the wife by telling her it was a lot cheaper than the Velo.

Support from SVS before, during, and after the sale has been outstanding. It was shipped fast, and arrived on it's own pallet, very well packaged. The manual and set-up were a snap. I have since contacted SVS a couple times with questions and comments, and they always reply quickly and seem very interested in my impression of their product. Not to mention the money I saved by going with the SVS.

It's performance so far has been excellent.
lets hear about your SVS!

Something_Soft

08-06-07, 12:52 AM

That's something you need to email directly to the company at sales@svsound.co.

They can't talk about unreleased products on this forum, plus they don't have time to check it often.

That said, if you have the budget, you always want to look at the most expensive speakers you can afford IMO. But sometimes you don't always get boatloads more in performance.

Look at Paradigm for example with their Studio series, and Signature series. Alot of people would argue that the Sigs are just Studio speakers with better finishes, and even though they have better components, they don't sound alot better.

On the other hand, look at Dynaudio, you wouldn't be looking at the Audience lineup, if you can afford the Contour series. :rolleyes:

You have to decide, are you after value from your system, or do you want cost no object, balls to the wall performance. Just remember, the more you spend on speakers, the more you will have to spend on electronics to drive them.

Good luck in building your system.

I sent them an email, thanks for the help. Hopefully they will disclose some sort of information in the next month or so. I'm sure that I'm not the only person in this dilemma.

imromo24

08-06-07, 11:32 AM

Got the ultra running this weekend! Well packaged and in great condition upon delivery. Sound is excellent just as expected, shakes your seat. This is not just a boom that fills the room with bass, it is a whole theater shaker!

We had a slight issue when hooking up the old plus to the low level output of the ultras amp, mistakingly did not unlug the plus before removing the low level input and possibly blew the fuse by doing so. The fuse on the ultra did not look blown, but the amp would not respond until the fuse was replaced. Be very careful that all equipment is off when plugging and unplugging the inputs.

Confirmation of spl was the wife calling (cell phone) in basement from 2 floors up asking if we were almost done with the demos because "its loud up here"

tehfoiler

08-08-07, 04:54 PM

jhan1000

08-08-07, 05:18 PM

I have a question (I've skimmed through about 20 pages, but honestly I can't read 64 pages, it's just too long, so I apologize if this has been answered) on the comparison of the NSD-12 and the NSD-12/2. I normally listen to 70% music / 30% movies/tv and I'm wondering if there was a large appreciable benefit to getting the 12/2 over the 12. I like my music loud, and I'm a huge bass junkie.

I tried searching for a comparision but couldn't find one. I'd appreciate any opinions on this.

You gain additional headroom (~6db) with the NSD-12/2 driver over the NSD-12, which matters more for dynamic home theater passages. For music, I would think that a single should suffice. Have you asked the good folks at SVS what they think? They offer great advice, and won't sell more than you need.

Ron Temple

08-08-07, 05:29 PM

We had a slight issue when hooking up the old plus to the low level output of the ultras amp, mistakingly did not unlug the plus before removing the low level input and possibly blew the fuse by doing so. The fuse on the ultra did not look blown, but the amp would not respond until the fuse was replaced. Be very careful that all equipment is off when plugging and unplugging the inputs.

I think someone already addressed this, but don't hook the 2nd Plus via the low level output on the Ultra. You should Y out of the sub pre out on your AVR/pre-pro. There is no signal degradation. Your Plus will come back alive (with the new fuse).

MLKstudios

08-08-07, 08:30 PM

MLKstudios

08-08-07, 08:45 PM

Nevermind, I found the phase section on the Avia.

Ed Mullen

08-09-07, 08:33 AM

I have a question (I've skimmed through about 20 pages, but honestly I can't read 64 pages, it's just too long, so I apologize if this has been answered) on the comparison of the NSD-12 and the NSD-12/2. I normally listen to 70% music / 30% movies/tv and I'm wondering if there was a large appreciable benefit to getting the 12/2 over the 12. I like my music loud, and I'm a huge bass junkie.

I tried searching for a comparision but couldn't find one. I'd appreciate any opinions on this.

The PB12-NSD and the PB12-NSD/2 in the 20 Hz tune have about the same max output capability at 20 Hz. At 25 Hz and above, the NSD/2 is worth about dual PB12-NSD, posting a ~ 6 dB advantage.

If you are a bass junkie and crave a lot of slam/impact, the NSD/2 is definitely a much stronger subwoofer than the PB12-NSD on nearly all bassy passages.

Ed Mullen

08-09-07, 08:39 AM

Today I became an owner of the 20-39 PC+ and it BOOMS very well. I was freaked out when this huge box arrived, but it fits a nook I have nicely. Now it's time to calibrate it.

I'm a little confused on where the phase setting should go (0-180). My old one had a switch and this has a continuous dial. Any clues as to how to set it will be appreciated.

With a single subwoofer, it's often easiest to set the phase dial to 0 degrees and fine tune phase with the subwoofer control feature in your AVR.

The goal is to match the relative phase response of the front stage speakers and the subwoofer over the crossover bandwidth to avoid a dip in the response from cancellation.

This is best accomplished by actually measuring the combined FR of the speakers and subwoofer over the XO bandwidth and adjusting the subwoofer distance until you get the smoothest FR with the least amount of cancellation. If you contact me at sales@svsound.com I can give you the tools and guidance to perform this test.

Failing that, the best subwoofer distance often ends up being a few feet longer than actual (you'll often note auto-set-up AVRs setting the subwoofer distance longer than actual too).

You can also try the Avia phasing section, but some people find it hard to tell the difference between the two tones.

imromo24

08-09-07, 09:06 AM

I think someone already addressed this, but don't hook the 2nd Plus via the low level output on the Ultra. You should Y out of the sub pre out on your AVR/pre-pro. There is no signal degradation. Your Plus will come back alive (with the new fuse).
That is correct, in fact I read that a while back about the Y splitter but I was new to the ultra (my pb10 didn't have outputs) so I thought, hmm, maybe the low level outputs can be used in place of the splitter (I don't read manuals until something goes wrong ;) ) But even still, the manual doesn't stress the importance of not using those outputs for a second sub IMO.

Ed Mullen

08-09-07, 10:06 AM

That is correct, in fact I read that a while back about the Y splitter but I was new to the ultra (my pb10 didn't have outputs) so I thought, hmm, maybe the low level outputs can be used in place of the splitter (I don't read manuals until something goes wrong ;) ) But even still, the manual doesn't stress the importance of not using those outputs for a second sub IMO.

The new Ultra amp has high pass bypass switches for RCA and XLR line-level outputs, so you can daisy chain another subwoofer without signal loss. Or you can use a Y splitter of the AVR sub pre-out.

Babel_Fish

08-09-07, 10:55 AM

oh man... its almost mid august... any news on when the pb13s are coming out :( I'm dieing to get mine :) Is it that they will ship mid august and get to us at the end of august or will they ship soon and get to us in mid august?? Any info???

imromo24

08-09-07, 10:56 AM

The new Ultra amp has high pass bypass switches for RCA and XLR line-level outputs, so you can daisy chain another subwoofer without signal loss. Or you can use a Y splitter of the AVR sub pre-out.
Hmmm, that is interesting then...what is the position that the switch needs to be in to daisy chain another sub (for the RCA)? The ultra is out of my hands now (was a friends)...but for future reference, I remember the option being "Low level output high pass filter (or something) ON/OFF. I am going to copy and paste this to the new Ultra thread for them over there...

Also, how about adding that to the manual (or did I miss it)?

thanks for your help!

Ed Mullen

08-09-07, 01:32 PM

Hmmm, that is interesting then...what is the position that the switch needs to be in to daisy chain another sub (for the RCA)? The ultra is out of my hands now (was a friends)...but for future reference, I remember the option being "Low level output high pass filter (or something) ON/OFF. I am going to copy and paste this to the new Ultra thread for them over there...

Also, how about adding that to the manual (or did I miss it)?

thanks for your help!

It's on page 7 in the OM where we discuss hooking up multiple subs. The high pass bypass needs to be set to Off in order to daisy-chain multiple subwoofers.

If the high pass is not bypassed, the connected subwoofer will be high passed (12 dB/octave at 80 Hz), and its performance will suffer accordingly.

imromo24

08-09-07, 03:47 PM

Thanks!

And Ill have some green eggs and ham ( sounds like dr. suess "If the high pass is not bypassed, the connected subwoofer will be high passed")

mojomike

08-09-07, 03:52 PM

If the high pass is not bypassed, the connected subwoofer will be high passed (12 dB/octave at 80 Hz), and its performance will suffer accordingly.

...thus turning your second subwoofer into a mid-range driver. :eek:

mauly

08-09-07, 05:21 PM

will I see much of a difference from PB10 NSD or the PB12 NSD? I'm a proud owner of the PB10 NSD but was thinking of upgrading to the PB12 NSD.. any thoughts on this?

mojomike

08-09-07, 05:45 PM

will I see much of a difference from PB10 NSD or the PB12 NSD? I'm a proud owner of the PB10 NSD but was thinking of upgrading to the PB12 NSD.. any thoughts on this?

You should see a pretty good difference in overall output, rather than in extension. You might want to consider the possibilty of a second PB10 instead of replacing it with a PB12 if you have the space.

mauly

08-09-07, 06:49 PM

You should see a pretty good difference in overall output, rather than in extension. You might want to consider the possibilty of a second PB10 instead of replacing it with a PB12 if you have the space.

Thanks, im actually giving my PB10 to my older brother so i wont be able to add to it.. i was just thinking of going with the SBS 5.1 package with the PB12 NSD woofer as im in $1300 budget with speakers and sub..

mojomike

08-09-07, 07:31 PM

If you liked your PB10, you will like your PB12 even more.

mauly

08-09-07, 07:40 PM

If you liked your PB10, you will like your PB12 even more.

Thats all i need to hear! thanks Mike! :p :D

gvg45

08-09-07, 08:00 PM

will I see much of a difference from PB10 NSD or the PB12 NSD? I'm a proud owner of the PB10 NSD but was thinking of upgrading to the PB12 NSD.. any thoughts on this?
Looks like you have been bitten....by the upgrade bug. :) Why dont you just opt for the new Ultra? It'll save you money in the long run. ;)

mauly

08-09-07, 08:23 PM

:D :cool: i cant do that =( im trying to really limit myself... plus I think ill wait till I get my Dedicated room for that. which will be a while! :(

imromo24

08-09-07, 10:09 PM

I just hooked up a pb10 with a Y splitter and a PCplus and it is phenominal, highly recommended (will need some calibrating, like I put the AVR XO at 150hz and then put the plus XO at 70 hz) sounds great.

Fargus777

08-09-07, 11:40 PM

gvg45

08-10-07, 02:07 AM

:D :cool: i cant do that =( im trying to really limit myself... plus I think ill wait till I get my Dedicated room for that. which will be a while! :(
But just think, if you order a PB13 before they ship, you will save yourself $100. :cool:

mauly

08-10-07, 01:07 PM

don't temp me guys!!

imromo24

08-10-07, 01:58 PM

nudge nudge

Babel_Fish

08-10-07, 02:49 PM

I called SVS today and they said the PB13's could start shipping by late next week. He said they were shooting for early next week, but it would more likely be late next week. Either way, its exciting to be this close!

But that is only for the first shipment.. I wonder who will be in that first shipment :) And it also depends on what finish you had since those are done in batches..

I ordered mine on 5/14 and have glossy black.. anyone else? :)

SVS also mentioned that there might be a customer update coming out today.. not sure if that means an email or something on the website.. We will have to see :)

Babel_Fish

08-10-07, 02:53 PM

What is everyone doing in terms of Amperage?? Do you have a dedicated breaker for your sub?? my family room has two Breakers for the room.. each is only 15 amps.. I am going to upgrade them to 20 amps.. the HT will be on one breaker and the Sub will be on the other one.. Will those things draw so much power as to dim everything else in the room or should I be okay???

My setup
Paradigm Studio 100s,
Paradigm Studio CC690
Paradigm Studio ADP590 Surrounds
Paradigm Studio ADP590 Rears
SVS PB13-Ultra
Anthem A5
Denon 4308 (probably)

Thanks!!!

OvalNut

08-10-07, 05:16 PM

I have 3 separate 20 amp circuits:

- 1 for the TV and DVD player
- 1 for the receiver, DVR and subwoofer EQ
- 1 for the sub (that's actually the normal outlet circuit feeding the room, but the only other thing plugged into it is a floor lamp.)

If you go with 20 amp circuits you should be fine. I know that I've never had a problem.

Tim

swgiust

08-10-07, 05:19 PM

What is everyone doing in terms of Amperage?? Do you have a dedicated breaker for your sub?? my family room has two Breakers for the room.. each is only 15 amps.. I am going to upgrade them to 20 amps.. the HT will be on one breaker and the Sub will be on the other one.. Will those things draw so much power as to dim everything else in the room or should I be okay???

My setup
Paradigm Studio 100s, (SAME)
Paradigm Studio CC690 (SAME)
Paradigm Studio ADP590 Surrounds
Paradigm Studio ADP590 Rears
SVS PB13-Ultra (ULTRA/2 AND A PLUS/2)
Anthem A5 (7 OUTLAW M-200 MONOBLOCKS)
Denon 4308 (probably)

Thanks!!!
2 15 AMP CIRCUITS AND NEVER A PROBLEM

bsheldon

08-10-07, 06:27 PM

You will be fine with your 2 15 amp cicuits. don't arbitrarily switch out the breaker--the circuits as well as the receptacles are designed and rated for 15 amps. running more than that can be a fire hazard and if found by an ispector who actually knows anything about wiring may be a problem if you go to sell your house. now that is all sound and good advise, but in reality you shouldn't have any problems with 30amps worth of juice at your disposal. However if you do start tripping the breaker occasionally on demanding scenes, switching to a 20A breaker would work, not recommended, but you really don't have much to worry about from a safety standpoint. Assuming your home was built within the last 30 years or so you should be fine. Residential building codes are a bit overboard for safety reasons. technically and legally 14 guage wire is only to be used on 15Amp circuits and if you step up to 20Amps you need to step up to 12guage wire as well as swap your resi-grade receptacles to 20 commercial ones. However 14 guage wire will handle over 20 amps without any problems. the issue is the switch/receptacle boxes with multiple connections in a very tight space. This is again almost a non-issue if the circuits have multiple receptacles on them--splitting up the load on that cicuit, where each receptacle is only getting a portion of the load. If that is the case you can be Just fine by swapping out your 15's on your existing wire and receptacles. However, don't do it if they are dedicated receptacles--only one receptacle on the entire circuit. Again, not entirely correct, but if you do OCCASSIONALLY trip the 15's that means your normal load is well under that and only at peaks is it tripping you will be fine with switching the breakers. Remember that a breaker is really rated at 80% of what is says it is--a 20 amp breaker will trip if it encounters a sustained load over 16 amps. It will allow short-term peaks above that. So again if your load is split up to multiple receptacles--at least 3 you will be fine. But I would suggest you give the system a try on your 15's first--I bet you will be fine. I have my whole system with lighting ( I swapped out two 300W halogen torchieres for two 65Watt fluorescent ones) on a single 20 amp breaker. I have a Denon 3805 running 7 channels, a 300W projector, a 150W powered 10" sub (nearfield) and "the beast in the corner"--pb12+2. On that same circuit, I have an auxillary system I use for my outdoor speakers and ambiance whole house sound, as well as the obvious, DVD player and Digital Cable box. If you are only tripping occasionally try removing or re-routing lighting or other non-essential loads--Fans, clocks, fish tanks, etc to another cicuit before swapping your breaker every little bit helps. Maybe just a simple switch of your light bulbs to Compact Fluorescents might be enough to keep it from tripping--if it does occassionally. Again though, I am betting you will be fine. best of luck and enjoy what is going to be one heck of a nice system.

Big Bri

08-12-07, 02:01 PM

See first post in this thread for my system, all running on a dedicated 15 amp breaker. My PURE AV console has an amp indicator on it, and even at high volumes, I only reach around 3.0 amps.

Warpdrv

08-12-07, 02:07 PM

Real Pics page.....

links to other finishes below left...

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-pb13-ultra_rosenut.cfm

ribbit

08-12-07, 06:54 PM

so when will the metal grills of the PB13 ship? did SVS give a date?

Razorback_Fan

08-12-07, 11:14 PM

Babel_Fish

08-13-07, 12:02 AM

could your switch be bad? Just curious.. (like maybe it just keeps turning off on you)..

mojomike

08-13-07, 09:07 AM

Ed Mullen

08-13-07, 09:35 AM

This sounds like the "auto on" circuitry may not getting enough signal to trigger it. This can often be solved by boosting the output level on the receiver or pre-amp, and cutting the gain on the sub to compensate.

Correct - good advice. The auto-on circuit needs to exceed a certain voltage threshold to activiate, so increasing the AVR sub pre-out level and reducing the gain at the SVS to keep the overall calibration level the same, usually solves the problem.

Even with this tweak, sometimes long periods of dialogue without bass or low overall listening levels will send the sub into Standby mode. If this is the case, you may want to leave the subwoofer on 24/7 (which is what I do with all my subs).

Razorback_Fan

08-13-07, 10:29 AM

ransac

08-13-07, 02:10 PM

If I read you correctly, you are saying you have to push in on the bat (handle) of the auto on/on switch to get the sub to power up? If that is the case, then the switch is defective and needs to be replaced. That might be something I would attempt myself, but not something I would suggest others do. I would ask for a replacement amp instead of sending the whole sub back for repair. Replacing the amp is not a difficult process.

patnshan

08-13-07, 02:33 PM

Ok I've already sent back one sub so I'm hoping that what you are about to read is normal. This sub is less than 2 mths old. The problem is that in order for me to get the sub to work I have to push in the "switch" on the back. Is this normal......the sub will not work otherwise each time I want to listen to it I have to push in the switch. Please help I'm about to send this one back for a full refund and go with plan B.

Yep, bad switch. Physically having to hold the switch is not good. I am certain they will take care of this for you ASAP. Give them a call.

For the record, my SVS auto on works perfectly, even at low volumes. I have had problems with other subs in this regard.

Pat

Ed Mullen

08-13-07, 04:46 PM

I keep the switch on the sub in the "on" position. I've tried the auto on and the on settings and neither seem to matter. I have the AV receiver set correctly I believe. ANy advice before I give you guys a jingle?

Please email tech support along with a hyperlink to your post, and we'll take care of the problem right away.

Razorback_Fan

08-13-07, 05:12 PM

I sent the email prior to reading your post requesting the link in the email...sorry about that. Can you help me out? You should see an email from jlwilsonjr@gmail.com

Ed Mullen

08-13-07, 05:24 PM

I sent the email prior to reading your post requesting the link in the email...sorry about that. Can you help me out? You should see an email from jlwilsonjr@gmail.com

We have the email - thanks. We'll get you a new amp ASAP.

billymerritt

08-13-07, 05:29 PM

Spezzy

08-13-07, 05:46 PM

PB12+/2 for you Billy.

ransac

08-13-07, 07:51 PM

Brad, look at the last post on the previous page. It was from a Billy and that is who Spezzy was directing his responce to.

I know how much you want it to be, but it's not always about you Brad. ;)

Richard Mayer

08-13-07, 07:52 PM

bgillyjcu

08-13-07, 11:45 PM

Brad, look at the last post on the previous page. It was from a Billy and that is who Spezzy was directing his responce to.

I know how much you want it to be, but it's not always about you Brad. ;)

LOL

Ransac you got me.

I've just had so many people take my user name for my real name as billy that I just assume that they are talking to me. LOL

I know....assume makes an ASS out of U and ME.

I would like my HT to be all about me though :) Quad PB-13s stacked would do me quite well if I can find a rich girl to marry me ;)

ps....I took my post down since it was irrelevant. Always want to be helpful, not repetitive or dumb!

ransac

08-14-07, 12:17 AM

LOL

Ransac you got me.

I've just had so many people take my user name for my real name as billy that I just assume that they are talking to me. LOL

I know....assume makes an ASS out of U and ME.
No, just you. :p I can be an ass without making any assumptions.

Jtimmmy

08-15-07, 11:07 PM

Hi guys and gals,
Been reading avsforums for awhile looking for the best sub to get. Well finally I got my baby. I was going to get the svs PC ultra 13 but cost and WAF was in the way. So after much consultation with the wife and slow and careful manouvering I got the SVS 20-39 PC plus. I had an old Sony sub and that was my first and only sub. So I thought how much better could it be? Well holy sh**! My receiver's set at 0db and I have the sub up a little over a quarter on the dial and it's already rattling the place. And there's definitely stuff I've never hear before on in movies. Like LOTR all 3 of them, man it's awsome. Even music sounds better. What can I say, but I'm quite happy with my purchase so far, and wanted to let people that can understand what if feels like to have a good sub know. Next step is to get a SPL meter and calibrate it properly. I hear it makes quite a difference.
Now what should I do with the old Sony sub, is it worth will to run it along side the pc plus? Will it interfere with it or help it or do nothing at all? After calibration, is there anything else I should do to make sure I get the best sound possible? Thanks for all the posts here it's been a great help! Now I gotta go and buy the wife something ;)

ransac

08-15-07, 11:43 PM

I'd say move it to another system or dump it. You could try to blend it in to augment the upper bass, but it will take some work.

Jtimmmy

08-16-07, 01:32 AM

NismoZ

08-16-07, 08:26 AM

Get rid of the Sony or put it onto another system. The quality difference is not worth trying to mix them.

Glad to hear you like your PC+, I have the same one... Thinking about a 2nd for my big basement.

Babel_Fish

08-16-07, 08:39 AM

I have my svs sub set up to the right of the TV and right of the right of right front speaker.

Oh man thats confusing.. dont you have too many "right"s in that sentence??? I can't even tell you how many times I have had to re-read that.. lol

robbroy

08-16-07, 09:29 AM

I probably will get rid of it. I have my svs sub set up to the right of the TV and right of the right of right front speaker. I know you're not suppose to localize the subs frequencies, but I still find that I notice it a bit more from the right. I found it more with the old Sony sub though. Is this normal? Is it a calibration problem? I have my receiver set to small speakers. Thanks again.

I see eBay activity in your future.

As to the localization, if the Sony was making enough distortion, it could be audible. The other thing is your x-over. You say your speakers are set to small. What is the x-over set at? If it's over 80, it's quite possible you can localize the sub.

-Robb

swgiust

08-16-07, 03:18 PM

Putting a hamburger on top of a steak does not make the steak better.

The Sony, at best, is a piece of crap. Don't waste your time trying to integrate
it into your system.

Babel_Fish

08-16-07, 03:20 PM

Putting a hamburger on top of a steak does not make the steak better.

obviously you have never had one of my hamburgers then... or my steaks! :) lol and what if the hamburger was a steak burger?? food for thought :)

just move the sub to another room :) you can never have enough subs..

Jtimmmy

08-16-07, 04:55 PM

Hamburgers and steaks, I'm hungry again. I must say the difference between the Sony and the SVS is night and day. Can't say I've every heard such a difference. As for the x-over, I have a Denon AVR 2700 and the speakers are set to small, but I don't know what that frequency is at. Don't know where the manual is, I'll have to look for it. Anyone know? Also, I have a pair of B&W 601 bookshelfs for fronts. Is it good set them to large? I'll try tonight, so much to do, you gotta love it.

mojomike

08-16-07, 05:03 PM

You can try "large", but since you have bookshelf speakers, "small" is going to generally be better. Your SVS sub specializes in reproducing bass. Let it do what it does best.

NismoZ

08-16-07, 05:43 PM

Yes, set to small... I have big JBL Studio 120II, 12 inch speaker towers, and I was still recommended to set mine to small.

imromo24

08-16-07, 08:14 PM

I tried setting to large but it mostly seemed to be boomy or hollow? allowing the mains to handle some bass, I was reluctant but I finally run the speakers small and let the sub handle bass, but now I do have pb10 and 39plus so that really helps and XO at 100hz.

homeaudio4fun

08-16-07, 09:54 PM

Ive had my pb10 for about a week now and I am loving this thing, for such a small sub it packs a big punch. Now im on the lookout for a second one, anyone sees a used pb10 let me know im on the hunt.

Jtimmmy

08-16-07, 11:28 PM

Thanks for all the help, I think I'll play around a bit more and get a SPL meter and calibrate properly. Does anyone have a SVS centre channel speaker? And is it good? And is it better than an old Bose centre speaker?

OvalNut

08-16-07, 11:34 PM

... SVS centre channel speaker? And is it good? And is it better than an old Bose centre speaker? Yes. :)

Tim

gvg45

08-18-07, 09:20 PM

Could someone please explain the differences with the older 12" ISD drivers to the current NSD drivers please?

gvg45

08-18-07, 09:31 PM

Could someone please explain the differences with the older 12" ISD drivers to the current NSD drivers please?
NM, I found what I was looking for via the "search".:o

Looks to be a big difference with the 12".

Babel_Fish

08-18-07, 10:39 PM

So did anyone get tracking information for their Ultra13?? They were suppose to start shipping on friday..

kweezr

08-18-07, 10:58 PM

We're sending out notices that the last supply component needed for this week's first PB13-Ultra production run did not arrive as planned.

Subs will start flowing out now on Tuesday most probably. Still a good chance for some folks to see theirs next week (Oak and Rosenut customers first).

Sorry for that last bit of added delay, but it's a small one at least.

Ron Stimpson
SVS

No tracking here.

billymerritt

08-19-07, 09:14 AM

I have had the PB10-ISD for several years but wish I could get more lower bass without having to play at reference levels, I like about 10 to 15 db. below that. I may need something bigger as my room is about 2300 cu. ft. and have one open hall going to bedrooms, and another opening leading into kitchen. I set about 12 ft. from the PB10 and 20hz and above seems pretty good not great, and from 17hz to 22hz show only 72db. on my meter. I can put by ear up to the sub and hear it but don't do many any good where it's at and I can't move it because of space. Anyone give me a clue what SVS sub would get me down to the lower end so I could hear it without having to turn it up to reference level and blow my house apart.
Received email from SVS support recommending that I try to move the PB10 to get improved bass, and or use bass traps or use a BFD or Velodyne SMS-1. I decided on the Velodyne SMS-1 will try it out next week and see what I come up with. The folks at SVS are truly dedicated to helping you get the most out of you subwoofer and not trying to sell you something that you don't need. If I decide to upgrade later SVS will certainly be my number 1 pick.

lienly

08-19-07, 10:19 AM

you mean SCS01? y, its sound is good thou a bit sharper/higher!
not sure which Bose you compare with?

Does anyone have a SVS centre channel speaker? And is it good? And is it better than an old Bose centre speaker?

lienly

08-19-07, 10:20 AM

y, SVS service is world first class w/o doubt!:D
maybe you can wait SVS Audyssey EQ?:p

Received email from SVS support recommending that I try to move the PB10 to get improved bass, and or use bass traps or use a BFD or Velodyne SMS-1. I decided on the Velodyne SMS-1 will try it out next week and see what I come up with. The folks at SVS are truly dedicated to helping you get the most out of you subwoofer and not trying to sell you something that you don't need. If I decide to upgrade later SVS will certainly be my number 1 pick.

Jtimmmy

08-19-07, 11:53 PM

Comparing it to the Bose VS100 centre speaker.

Ed Mullen

08-20-07, 07:31 AM

Could someone please explain the differences with the older 12" ISD drivers to the current NSD drivers please?

The NSD woofer has more power handling, better thermal characteristics and heat dissipation under heavy load, a longer linear motor stroke, improved output, and lower distortion.

It's an obvious bump in performance if you push your ISD subwoofer to near its limits on a regular basis.

AnthemAVM

08-20-07, 10:07 AM

Hi fellow SVS fans.

I had a Plus/2 that I loved, but sold it for a JL F113, which just hasn't been a good mix for me.

So I am selling it, and have 2500 bucks, and am coming back to SVS, as I want a ported pair of subs, that will shake my room, and vibrate my bottom side, during movies.

so would you get two plus/2, which I know does well in my room, or get two Ultra 13 boxes?

Thanks for your input.

Michael

mojomike

08-20-07, 10:15 AM

Mike, the pair of Plus/2's may give a little more overall output above 25hz, but a pair of 13-Ultras will be stronger below 25hz and should take the edge as far as SQ goes. I'd go with the Ultras.

OvalNut

08-20-07, 10:55 AM

For the reasons mojo stated above, together with the SQ of the Ultra, I'd go with the Ultras too. It's just such a clean, sharp, deep visceral sound and feel.

To try offering a comparison regarding SQ, the only Plus sub I have heard was a 20-39 PC Plus I had with a 12.2 driver. It rocked and went deep, yet it had a bit of a coarser sound with notably more low end ring. If you tried to push it really low you'd lose some details and instead start hearing the room resonate. The sound of the Ultra doesn't just shake you, it goes through you.

That said, I'm sure a pair of Plus/2's is staggering.

Tim

MKtheater

08-20-07, 10:57 AM

Go for the ultra's.

getech

08-20-07, 10:57 AM

MKtheater

08-20-07, 11:15 AM

I have no doubt that the JL audio sounds great, but I would think the output is not as much as a plus/2 or ultra/2 which I think many believe it was. So when they get the jl audio in a large room they need 2 of them and that might be over budget. So, instead they can buy 2 SVS ultra subs for more output and still the same price as one jl audio, This is just a wild guess.

mojomike

08-20-07, 11:30 AM

I believe there may be some validity to the theory that in certain rooms, especially if they are large and/or open, the response characteristics of a good ported sub may work better than a good sealed sub when it comes to energizing the space.

Ryan48

08-20-07, 07:10 PM

I just ordered myself another PB12-NSD, cant wait to see what 2 of these can do in my room :D

Morningstar67

08-20-07, 07:49 PM

I now have heard from many out their that have wanted to trade out their JL F113 for something else. What are the reasons we are seeing this as of late?

I recently sold my F113 as well. While a very clean, precise, and musical sounding sub, I found it just wasn't loud and visceral enough for me. Esp when I compared it to my dad's sub, a VTF2.3. I had to admit to myself that I was shallow and cared more about output and extension than sound quality :o.

So now I'm in the market, and am considering the PB13, eDesigns A5-350, and the new Epik Tower. All are relatively new so I'm waiting for some user impressions before making a final decision.

Gary Murrell

08-20-07, 10:46 PM

so whos going to up the ante and beat my upcoming setup, I am going to have dual 16-46+'s in my 12x12 room, I'd love to hear from someone crazier :p :D

I have been wanting to buy some SVS's for 5 years and the first 16-46+ arrives Wed., can't wait, just waiting for another to pop up on B-stock to finish the setup

I am going from a past history of 100% sealed sub usage, these will be my first reflex units

thanks to Ed for helping me with my decision ;)

-Gary

ggunnell

08-20-07, 11:26 PM

Ryan48

08-20-07, 11:30 PM

My 2nd PB12-NSD will be here Wednesday, my room is 14x14, cant wait to see what 2 of these will do :D

Gary Murrell

08-21-07, 02:25 AM

Gary, although the PEQ on the plate amp will help with room resonances, you may still find you need some sort of external EQ, like a BFD or SMS-1, in a square room. If you can keep the 16-46s sort of near your mains and roughly equidistant from you, timing will be a lot easier.

As far as multiple SVS subs, I believe Frank M. who does not post here holds the record at eight 16-46s. I'm pleased that Ed helped you choose multiple low tuned subs even for a smaller room -- there's no substitute for large amounts radiating area for low distortion bass. IMO.

Don't wait too long to get that second 16-46 :)
thanks dude

thats good to hear, I knew of a few people with 3 or 4 16's but never heard of 8, I said that to get people to spill their crazy setups and it worked :)

Ed was great, he actually recommended the dual 16+'s over dual Ultras, not many companies talk you into lower priced options ;)

I am one step ahead ;), I have been using the SMS with my previous subs for about a year now, one of the biggest differences I have ever made second only to treating my entire room with Auralex goodies, easily worth 3x the price

with it I have a absolute ruler from around 29/30 to 80(my crossover) the problem was the 30 :(, the Atlantic System 270 subs I was using dropped off a cliff at around 30hz, they were sealed models and are fabulous for music, I am 100% HT so I figured it was time to change

Ryan, dual subs is one of the best things I ever did, I rather enjoy them placed in the front 2 corners, one back in the corner on the right and the other down the front end wall just a couple feet on the other side, I don't remember where I got that setup tip from but it just flat out worked, did wonders for my response before the SMS, you will enjoy those dual subs, no more localizable bass, just a nice even spread

-Gary

swgiust

08-21-07, 07:56 AM

Sorry Gary, A Ultra/2 and a Plus/2 in an 18x18 room wins! :D

As for the on going debate of dual plus/2's and Ultra's, I would have to
agree that the Ultra is going to be pretty tough to beat. BUT, that being
said there are options. If you already have a Plus/2 another might be a better choice than an Ultra.

I spent alot of time talking with Ron and Ed at SVS. I explained that I did not want to get rid of my Ultra/2 but wanted to add another sub. The perfect situation would of been another Ultra but they were gone. So I ended up with a Plus/2. The color and size is the same, the tuning is the same. The plus driver hits alittle harder up high and the Ultra driver digs alittle deeper,
so it makes a good mix. It did take some effort to get them set up right. I'm using an SMS-1. But I think I've got them pretty good.

Played the old favorites, U-571 depth charge and FLight of the Phoenix crash scene. The impact was felt, not just heard. Made my whole house shake!