Official SVS Owners/Support Thread.

[Big Bri]

If this thread already exists, please disregard. I looked, but couldn't find it.

I recently purchased a PB Plus/2, and have been itching to share my experience so far. Here's my 5.1 set-up:

Denon AVR 5803 (Purchased Used)
Panasonic BD-55 Blu-ray Player (Analog 5.1 Outputs)
Samsung 5687 DLP
GR Research A/V3S x 3
GR Research A/V1RS x 2
SVS PB Plus/2
PURE AV Power conditioner

Listening area is 14x17x8 living room with one 8' opening to kitchen/dining area, and one opening to hallway, laminate floor with large area rug, SVS position is RF corner next to ent center (very limited in where I could put it), listening position is center of 14' wall across from TV, Not an ideal HT room, but could be worse.

Settings:

All speakers set to 75 db, with SVS running hot at about 82 db
SVS Gain at 1/4, 20 hz tune (one port plug), used the included 3M rubber feet
LFE pre-out on Denon is -5.0 db

Listening is 90/10 Movies to Music


After more research than I care to get into, I settled on the Velodyne HGS 15x and the SVS PB Plus/2. I actually ordered the Velodyne, but it was discontinued. I had decided on the Velodyne mostly because of the smaller size and the positive experience a relative of mine has had with his. The SVS and the Velodyne seemed to be close in performance based on what I had read, but
the size of the SVS was scaring me off. WAF. She's been very patient with my hobby. After the Velodyne fell through, I decided to order the SVS rather than looking elsewhere for the Velodyne. Got the size past the wife by telling her it was a lot cheaper than the Velo. I'VE NEVER LOOKED BACK!

Support from SVS before, during, and after the sale has been outstanding. It was shipped fast, and arrived on it's own pallet, very well packaged. The manual and set-up were a snap. I have since contacted SVS a couple times with questions and comments, and they always reply quickly and seem very interested in my impression of their product. Not to mention the money I saved by going with the SVS.

It's performance so far has been excellent. I had a Klipsch KSW 15 prior to the SVS, and let me tell you, this thing blows it away, and the Klipsch was no slouch. From the sock explosion in Monsters Inc. to the Tripods in WOTW, I'm lovin my new toy.

Sorry if this was a puff piece, and again, I hope an owners thread doesn't already exist. If so, let me have it, if not, lets hear about your SVS!

[G-star]

If this thread already exists, please disregard. I looked, but couldn't find it.

it did once, but got removed. all things SVS tend to provoke strong reactions, and a while back threads were getting derailed/deleted left and right. maybe this one will stick around???

glad you're enjoying your new sub...certainly a step up from that klipsch. :cool:

[Big Bri]

it did once, but got removed. all things SVS tend to provoke strong reactions, and a while back threads were getting derailed/deleted left and right. maybe this one will stick around???

glad you're enjoying your new sub...certainly a step up from that klipsch. :cool:


Not surprising. Subwoofers seem to inspire rabid devotion, more than any other component that I've seen.

I'm not a basher. I have a feeling that I could have been happy with a number of subs that I researched. We're very fortunate that we have access to such wonderful technology and performance from many different companies. Lets all just enjoy our hobby, and the chance to share with others who have this bug. God knows, I've looked long and hard for people in my life who share my level of interest in HT, and haven't had much luck.

[Willd]

it did once, but got removed. all things SVS tend to provoke strong reactions, and a while back threads were getting derailed/deleted left and right. maybe this one will stick around???

glad you're enjoying your new sub...certainly a step up from that klipsch. :cool:

Hell, SVS owners practically own the entire subwoofer section themselves. :p

[Big Bri]

Considering changing my PB Plus/2 tune to 16 hz from 20 hz. Please see my initial post for my set-up and let me know what you think. Any thoughts/observations from current PB Plus/2 owners would be great!

Whoever started this thread rocks!

[Ron Temple]

Considering changing my PB Plus/2 tune to 16 hz from 20 hz. Please see my initial post for my set-up and let me know what you think. Any thoughts/observations from current PB Plus/2 owners would be great!

Whoever started this thread rocks!Supposed to have a flatter curve...try it, you won't lose anything in that room. Personally prefer the 20hz tune, more mid-bass pop and dynamics to my ear.

[ransac]

Considering changing my PB Plus/2 tune to 16 hz from 20 hz. Please see my initial post for my set-up and let me know what you think. Any thoughts/observations from current PB Plus/2 owners would be great!

Whoever started this thread rocks!
I have mine at 20Hz also. I tried 16Hz for a while, but went back. Can't put my finger on the difference, but I like the 20 better. Perhaps when I get EQ'ed, I will try 16 again. But like Ron said, try it, it only takes a few seconds to put it back.

If you want to talk just SVS and not get the negative comments, try the Home Theater Spot forum. They have one just for SVS.

[Big Bri]

I've been swapping emails with Tom at SVS. As always, I get fast, helpful replies. Just wanted some additional owner input.

[owinmoney]

is there a significant difference b/w the 20-39 PCI and the PB 12/NSD? Room is approx 22x14x7, give or take a foot or two on either side. space or looks are not a concern.

[Ron Temple]

is there a significant difference b/w the 20-39 PCI and the PB 12/NSD? Room is approx 22x14x7, give or take a foot or two on either side. space or looks are not a concern.Not really...though the old PB12 was tuned to 22hz and the new one will be 18hz.

[Big Bri]

Did some playing around with my PB Plus/2 settings this morning. I was running it in the 20 hz tune, and decided to give the 16 hz a try. I found that I needed to bump up my LFE out on my AVR from -3.0 db to -1.0 db after watching some familiar bass scenes, (WOTW, Matrix Revolutions, Monsters Inc., Episode II, Nemo). There was definately an increase in impact down low, but I felt that the middle frequencies were slightly understated by comparison, even though it was very subtle. Not to mention the higher impact low stuff seemed to find some unwanted resonances in my house. I don't have an EQ, and my listening space, (See beginning of thread), is less than ideal. Needless to say, I went back to the 20hz setting. Glad I tried it.

[WolfsBane]

Any specs available on the 3 new SVS subs coming out? The are supposed to be tuned down a little lower. Wondering how flat the PB12-NSD will be in the 18hz to 80hz range.

[Big Bri]

Should be pretty flat if their past products are any indication.

[jvgillow]

Today was the official announcement of the new PB12-NSD subwoofer:

http://svsound.com/news-news.cfm

Looks like the price might be going up after the preorder period.

[markeetaux]

What would you guys consider the better upgrade? Buying a third PB12-Plus/2 sub or
upgrading the existing four 12.2 drivers with the new Plus 12.3 series? I'm 50/50 on
movies/ music dvd's.

[ransac]

What would you guys consider the better upgrade? Buying a third PB12-Plus/2 sub or
upgrading the existing four 12.2 drivers with the new Plus 12.3 series? I'm 50/50 on
movies/ music dvd's.

This was discussed once before. IIRC, adding a third won't get you much more than having two. You would have to add two to get significant additional headroom. Since it looks like the .3 drivers are getting about 2dB more headroom, that would seem to be the better way to go.

[ransac]

SVS is also offering the RS SPL meter or the Avia DVD (a $40 value) free with the PB12-NSD preorders.

[screxer]

Wow! Surprised this has lasted this long....I started an SVS owner's thread a few month's back only to watch it vanish within a couple of days because it contained the letters that shouldn't be uttered together on this forum it seems. Anyways....I currently have a PB10-ISD that I have been really happy with, but I just got back from Reno after having hit a jackpot on a slot machine so I decided to upgrade to the PB12-Plus/2...can't wait! Can't beat buying a new SVS for essentially $2 (that's how much I put in the slot machine....haha!)

[DrPainMD]

Wow! Surprised this has lasted this long....I started an SVS owner's thread a few month's back only to watch it vanish within a couple of days because it contained the letters that shouldn't be uttered together on this forum it seems.

why would they delete them?

[screxer]

Got me.....but there was a rampage of deletions a few months back and they all revolved around posts with the three dreaded letters...SVS. Anyways....don't want this to stray off topic and get onto the politics I disagree with on this site so I'll just leave it at that.

[DrPainMD]

Got me.....but there was a rampage of deletions a few months back and they all revolved around posts with the three dreaded letters...SVS. Anyways....don't want this to stray off topic and get onto the politics I disagree with on this site so I'll just leave it at that.

That's funny, on SVS site they link to AVS, guess no back scratching going on?

[Ron Stimpson]

Well maybe because I haven't opened my big mouth yet ;^)

PS WRT the above question about dual v. triple subs, I'd have to agree with Ransac. You'll probably be best off starting with a woofer-ectomy inserting the 12.3 woofers (speaking strictly on a price/performance ratio for the upgrade). If that's still not "enough" then start to consider the tri-sub approach. Phase optimization will be key, so co-location of two, much less three subs might be considered if you aren't. Smooth response from more than one point source of deep bass can get really tricky, though we're working on ways to make that easier.

Screxer, that's pretty funny, and perhaps a first for us. I say stick it to the man and enjoy a better sub indeed ;^) The PB10-ISD was/is a very good sub, but get ready for a shock. The Plus/2 is a whole different animal. My advice is to stop gambling immediately however. You know, quit while you are ahead ;^)

PS Yes, leave politics and back door shenanigans out of this respectful and non-controversial support thread. Every forum, every brand of gear has its personality, and crosses to bear. We don't scratch backs, nor even have time to scratch asses any more. We build good stuff, we sell it, we support it. Now and again, we talk about it. That's pretty much our lives.

We'll do our best to pop in periodically, blog style and police up whatever questions with our famously pithy responses when we can. E-mail is always best for quickest and pithiest replies however. With as much work as we have stacked up, just getting to check the weather is often a click too far in a given day.

rons@svsound.com (really easy questions)
tomv@svsound.com (really hard questions)

Just go to the website for the ones that are neither easy or hard I guess ;^o)

Cheers,

Ron
SVS

[Big Bri]

Thanks for the post Ron. I hope this thread has a successful run. Still finding new ways to enjoy my PB Plus/2. Purchased the long awaited Pink Floyd Pulse DVD. Great sound, including a high bit rate DD recording. Check out "Sorrow" on Disc 1, deep, wonderful bass! I friggin love Pink Floyd! SVS is OK too. LOL

Keep up the good posts!

[WolfsBane]

Glad to see this thread started. long overdue, IMO.

[Cowboy420]

Thanks for the post Ron. I hope this thread has a successful run. Still finding new ways to enjoy my PB Plus/2. Purchased the long awaited Pink Floyd Pulse DVD. Great sound, including a high bit rate DD recording. Check out "Sorrow" on Disc 1, deep, wonderful bass! I friggin love Pink Floyd! SVS is OK too. LOL

Keep up the good posts!
Pulse is the first thing I put in when I hooked up my PB10 last week...What a great DVD..!!!

[sjsrocks]

When I put in Pink Floyd Pulse, I have to play along with my 20-39+.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k108/sjsrockssteve/P6150126.jpg

[screxer]

Ron, thanks for the post...glad my situation was a first!!! haha! I don't know many other people that win big gambling and then turn around and buy a speaker...much less a speaker you can only get internet direct! Honestly, I have no complaints about the PB10 whatsoever....it's probably fine for the room I'm in, but I've turned into a bassaholic and since it really isn't my money I'm spending, what better way to spend it then to go overkill with an SVS?! haha! I'm eagerly anticipating getting the pallet (wow, that sounds scary in and of itself..haha!) and can't wait to lug the beast into my room and get it all calibrated....I'm sure I'll be experiencing movies once again, just like I did when I went from a Velodyne to the PB10.

P.S. I rarely gamble....this was really the only time I've ever won at a casino (good enough reason not to gamble huh? haha!) I just go to Reno every year for Hot August Nights and this year I came home well ahead :-) I did stick to my budget though so I could come home with all the winnings to put towards the new beast that will be sitting in the corner soon.

[frogpond1]

Hmmm...odd I would never think that as nice as the SVS guys are there would be politics and thread deletions here. As I posted elswhere recently I took the plunge and transformed the lr into a HT. The SVS guys have been there to answer my questions and listen to me spout how good everything is. Of course unlike many here the whole thing is budget, well sort of. I think the total is around 3300, pretty good for entry level.

SVS SBS 5.1
Denon 2106
Sanyo Z4
Oppo 971 DVD player

So by last Fri everything had arrived but my friend with all the video and audio calibration tools wasn't coming until Sun. What was I to do? Couldn't wait and set everything up and rocked the house, literally. Now I was wishing I didn't have to work just stay home and watch movies all day. Sun rolls around and everything gets calibrated. Wow! Now I see why people calibrate everything as all the nuances and sublte crap could really be heard. Watched the opening of Master and Commander, holy $%#@ I thought I was going to blown to smithereens! Same with the opening of Saving Private Ryan. The 5.1 system may only have the PB10 but damn is it good! These two along with Jurasic Park should be added to the list of recommended bass watching movies!!

[Big Bri]

I actually just recommended the SVS 5.1 system to a friend. He also has a limited budget. I'm glad to hear its a performer. He was considering the Bose system. Enough said on that.

[Big Bri]

When I put in Pink Floyd Pulse, I have to play along with my 20-29+.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k108/sjsrockssteve/P6150126.jpg

Cool!

Do you have that SVS coupled with your guitar set-up? Don't think I've seen that before, but why not.

[sjsrocks]

No I have it set up to.
Marantz SR-8500
Paradigm 60
Paradimg 570
Paradigm 20
SVS 20-39+

[Big Bri]

Very nice.

[dvdguru]

Ok, I've been a videophile for most of my life and am now catching up on the audio side. I've been thinking about preordering that new PB12-NSD that comes out in september. Are there advantages for it being front firing? Here's my setup. All paradigm cc570, studio 60's, 4 of the adp470's for rear and side surrounds. The sub is a paradigm ps1000 10" sub I got back in 2000 which I would imagine isn't enough now, correct? The prepro is the outlaw 990 with the 7125 7 channel amp.

It's a decent size livingroom with vaulted ceilings that opens to the dining room and it doesn't seem to do it for me anymore. Back when I was into car audio people would say "if you want tighter bass stay with a 10" sub as the bass will get mushy with a 12" or 15" sub. Has that changed? Will I get deep bass AND tight bass when needed? I want accurate bass and for it to totally compliment the great paradigms as well in the low and midrange bass sections.

Any advice would be great and thanks in advance!

[Willd]

Back when I was into car audio people would say "if you want tighter bass stay with a 10" sub as the bass will get mushy with a 12" or 15" sub. Has that changed?

Those guys were talking out of their ass. That simply isn't true.

I think the new PB12-NSD would be a good upgrade for you.

[dvdguru]

Well, just preordered that new front firing 12" sub that comes out in September at SVS :) Now the waiting begins lol

[Big Bri]

Congrats on the purchase. Interested to hear how it sounds in your space. Great thing is, with SVS return policy, your not stuck with something if it doesn't fit in your system.

[dvdguru]

Thanks, yeah I'll report back with my findings on it. I've searched avs for comments on this sub and found a few but the search engine doesn't seem to find them very well. I seem to find comments just by checking the different svs thread instead of searching for the model#.

[bsheldon]

well it won't find the part number as it is a "new" product. just do a search for "svs pb12" or something similar--it will lead you to the dozens of threads that compared and talked about various SVS subs specifically the--pb12-isd, pb12-isd/v these are the previous generation to the pb12-nsd performance will be comparable with probably a slight edge to the new one you just preordered with its new driver. Let us know how she sounds when you get her. I am sure you are going to shocked at the difference between it and the 10 paradigm you currently have--even as good as it is, the svs will embarass it. good luck.

[KRiS1]

Count me in.

Placed an order for the new PB12-NSD last week.

[mschiff]

I joined the club too. I just placed my order for the PB-12NSD today.

-- Martin

[dvdguru]

Just changed my order from the new pb12NSD to the PB12plus/2 :) I didn't want to wait on the other sub and this one should really sound much better in my livingroom. Now the wait for delivery begins...

[ransac]

Just changed my order from the new pb12NSD to the PB12plus/2 :) I didn't want to wait on the other sub and this one should really sound much better in my livingroom. Now the wait for delivery begins...
Make sure you get tracking information. Someone needs to be there when it is delivered. Also have a strong-backed person to help you move it. It is 140lbs. Or have two people to move it for you. It's much more enjoyable if you don't have to move it yourself. Trust me, I know.

[G-force]

Yes! I received my dual PB12+/2's today. Got them all hooked up just in time to leave for work:(. I'm really looking foward to calibrating them later. I'll have updates with pictures to come.

[ransac]

Yes! I received my dual PB12+/2's today. Got them all hooked up just in time to leave for work:(. I'm really looking foward to calibrating them later. I'll have updates with pictures to come.
Real potential to scare the hell out of you. Have fun.

[Ron Temple]

Yes! I received my dual PB12+/2's today. Got them all hooked up just in time to leave for work:(. I'm really looking foward to calibrating them later. I'll have updates with pictures to come.Congrats...looking forward to your review...25-31 to dual /2s... :D

[Cvetan1]

I guess I'll check in and brag too, since this is the owners thread.

2 PC-Ultra's

4 Polk Rti8's and a Csi3(Nothing to brag about, but does sound pretty good temporary)

Can't wait to hear about the higher end tower speakers that SVS plans to launch later this year, maybe I'll upgrade to those?

Mike

[screxer]

I now have my Plus/2 in Rosewood :D I've had it for about a week or so and it is simply amazing. I didn't think I'd find something that would wow me like the PB10 did when I made the jump from a Velodyne DPS10. Well, this Plus/2 has wowed me. I've watched some scenes from WOTW and Pearl Harbor in both 20hz and 16hz modes...found that 20hz is what I prefer. A bit more "oomph". In addition, where the PB10 was great, this is literally an earthquake in a box (albeit a fairly large box..haha!) I live in earthquake country so I know what it feels like when an earthquake starts (went through the 7.1 in '89 and hope to never experience another like it)....I set the Plus/2 where I had previously had the PB10 (about 1/3) and ran the EZset on the H/K 635....when the tone hit for the sub, it made adrenalin kick in because it literally felt like the beginning of an earthquake...I wasn't expecting it and it was a little unnerving...haha! Needless to say, 1/3 was way too high for calibration on this beast, I've since turned it back to about 1/4 (85db) and still kills any other sub I've owned...simply stunning finish with amazing sound quality. Seeing and hearing this makes me realize that $1500 is a steal for a sub of this quality. As a PB10 and Plus/2 owner, I can attest to SVS quality and attention to detail....of the limited number of subs I've heard, nothing compares. Great job SVS! Never thought I'd experience true house shaking bass....it began with the PB10, but the Plus/2 is more than adequate in that regard....those that are deathly afraid of earthquakes, beware....haha!

[omegaGray]

I now have my Plus/2 in Rosewood :D I've had it for about a week or so and it is simply amazing. I didn't think I'd find something that would wow me like the PB10 did when I made the jump from a Velodyne DPS10. Well, this Plus/2 has wowed me. I've watched some scenes from WOTW and Pearl Harbor in both 20hz and 16hz modes...found that 20hz is what I prefer. A bit more "oomph". In addition, where the PB10 was great, this is literally an earthquake in a box (albeit a fairly large box..haha!) I live in earthquake country so I know what it feels like when an earthquake starts (went through the 7.1 in '89 and hope to never experience another like it)....I set the Plus/2 where I had previously had the PB10 (about 1/3) and ran the EZset on the H/K 635....when the tone hit for the sub, it made adrenalin kick in because it literally felt like the beginning of an earthquake...I wasn't expecting it and it was a little unnerving...haha! Needless to say, 1/3 was way too high for calibration on this beast, I've since turned it back to about 1/4 (85db) and still kills any other sub I've owned...simply stunning finish with amazing sound quality. Seeing and hearing this makes me realize that $1500 is a steal for a sub of this quality. As a PB10 and Plus/2 owner, I can attest to SVS quality and attention to detail....of the limited number of subs I've heard, nothing compares. Great job SVS! Never thought I'd experience true house shaking bass....it began with the PB10, but the Plus/2 is more than adequate in that regard....those that are deathly afraid of earthquakes, beware....haha!

Hmmm... went through the Whittier quake while fairly new to CA, and for the next two years, when the 240 lb body-builder in the townhouse next door ran up the stairs that shared a wall with our place, we clenched... If it has that type of impact, I'll have to consider it.

[screxer]

It definetely does it in my room, which is about 15 feet long, 10 feet wide, and 8 feet high.

[Big Bri]

Hey everybody. Glad to see this thread take off! Had an impressive performance last night. Flight of the Phoenix! Hadn't seen it before. Great movie with some great bass. Good soundtrack too, might actually pick that up. My PB Plus/2 is beginning to reveal some vibrations in my room. Gonna need to track them down in the near future.

Just checking in. Keep up the great posts!

[EdForsythe]

Anyone have experience with the SVS SBS-01 bookshelf speakers?

[ThomasV555]

I was wondering why Ilkka's tests of the new 12.3 drivers appears to look worse than previous drivers.

I am not saying his graphs are the "truth," but he's the only one that's publicly tried and shown his results.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/subwoofer-tests/996-svs-pb12-plus-2-20-hz-plus-12-3-a.html

Also, notice how the THD skyrockets at 110 db and not 115 db. That's weird. Personally, 105 DB is good enough for me and that seems to be the ceiling.

Does everyone's SVS look like it has layers or different sections like in the picture?
Kind of like a cake.

"It's a cake! I know! Thank you! Thank you very, very much."
"There's a hole in this cake!"

[ThomasV555]

I think I killed it. :cool:
Baby never even got to open its eyes.

[metalsaber]

New SVS owner as of yesterday. Absolutely love my PB10.

I have the gain set at 9 o'clock position and my Yamaha receiver set to -17db.

My speakers are pushing out 75db while my sub is doing about 65db. Don't be fool about it being that much lower, it sounds absolutely great.

[WolfsBane]

Has anyone else received shipment notice for the new PB12-NSD? It is my understanding they started shipping yesterday....

[DrPainMD]

I'm still waiting for their Auth reseller in CANADA....WOOT NO DUTY!! aka "border fees :)

[Ron Stimpson]

Dr. Pain,

Actually an announcement about that is coming very soon, thanks for the interest. Our goal will be stable prices, enhanced accessability, and simpler/lower shipping costs. We've been working on procedures for world-market presence for over a year now and frankly Canada was the toughest case to make from a business standpoint (sales have been quite good there over the years right from the US after all). We think the right combination of conditions exist, finally. We've been in intense discussions with a well-established web-direct reseller with a good track record of providing good service to his customers and expect this to bear fruit around the end of the month.

PS there is actually no "duty" now on most SVS products AFAIK, we ship north all the time (heck our amps actually come from there now). There are some pesky "border fees" that amount to a similar thing, and we're well aware of that small, but pervasive, added cost.

Ron
SVS

[DrPainMD]

Dr. Pain,

Actually an announcement about that is coming very soon, thanks for the interest. Our goal will be stable prices, enhanced accessability, and simpler/lower shipping costs. We've been working on procedures for world-market presence for over a year now and frankly Canada was the toughest case to make from a business standpoint (sales have been quite good there over the years right from the US after all). We think the right combination of conditions exist, finally. We've been in intense discussions with a well-established web-direct reseller with a good track record of providing good service to his customers and expect this to bear fruit around the end of the month.

PS there is actually no "duty" now on most SVS products AFAIK, we ship north all the time (heck our amps actually come from there now). There are some pesky "border fees" that amount to a similar thing, and we're well aware of that small, but pervasive, added cost.

Ron
SVS

duty or border fees, all the same to me

[r:o:b]

New SVS ower. Got my pc+2039 a few days ago. 12.3 driver!!

Yay me!

[berty52]

PC Ultra here, shaking the house. ;)

Bertrand

[Art Sonneborn]

Enjoying very much my four PB12plus/2s

http://www.artsonneborn.com/assets/images/db_images/db_SVS_01w2.jpg

http://www.artsonneborn.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Fronts_02a1.jpg

Art

[Cakehomme]

Actually there are NO DUTY or Border charges at all. I got my Plus 2 to Ottawa Ontario last week and all that is required is the 7% and 7% gst and pst that we pay on all things here.

Sadly mine is still sitting in the garage in it's crate waiting for me to move. I don't imagine I'll take advantage of the 45 day money back garuntee based on the stellar reviews I've found all over the web.

Shipping was super fast too.

Cheers.


Dr. Pain,

Actually an announcement about that is coming very soon, thanks for the interest. Our goal will be stable prices, enhanced accessability, and simpler/lower shipping costs. We've been working on procedures for world-market presence for over a year now and frankly Canada was the toughest case to make from a business standpoint (sales have been quite good there over the years right from the US after all). We think the right combination of conditions exist, finally. We've been in intense discussions with a well-established web-direct reseller with a good track record of providing good service to his customers and expect this to bear fruit around the end of the month.

PS there is actually no "duty" now on most SVS products AFAIK, we ship north all the time (heck our amps actually come from there now). There are some pesky "border fees" that amount to a similar thing, and we're well aware of that small, but pervasive, added cost.

Ron
SVS

[Mitch G]

In the spirit of the OP, I thought I would add my experience.

I took delivery of my 25-31 PC+ this past Thursday, did a basic SPL-based calibration on Friday, and checked out a few movies this past weekend. "Darla Tapping" in Nemo was very nice as was the "23-19" in Monsters, Inc. I also watched Black Hawk down and even at rather low listening levels (it was late), I got complaints from my son who was trying to go to sleep. :)
But, one of the big surprises came about today when I got to spend some quality time listening to music. I was surprised at how much I was missing with my previous sub. There was so much more definition and detail in the lower frequencies. In a couple of cases, I heard stuff (good stuff) I hadn't heard before. In the rest of the cases, it just sounded better.
Of course one never knows how much of this is psychosomatic vs. a real measureable improvement. But, I'm pretty sure some of it is for real. :)

My system consists of Paradigm Atoms for sats and surrounds and a CC-170 for the center - not exactly high end, but not a complete slouch, either. The PC+ replaces a Paradigm PDR-10.

The PDR-10 was capable of shaking my furniture during bassy scenes (e.g. WotW, Star Wars II, etc.), but a while back, I started having a feeling that something was missing in both movies and music.

The system was originally put together about 2.5 years ago, but about 9 months ago I started thinking about replacing the sub. I did some research at that time, but decided I was going to hold off for a while. Then, for various reasons, a few weeks ago I finally decided I was going to pull the trigger and get a new sub.

So, I resumed my research and kept finding myself looking at the SVS subs - especially the cylinders. I really like the small foot print, the relatively lower price and weight when compared to their box-brethren, and since the sub would be placed in a corner behind the TV, I knew I could fit/hide a 25-31 size cylinder without too much trouble. But, I decided I wouldn't be able to hide a 20-39 or larger cylinder behind there.

That said, I was also digging what I read about the PB-10 NSD sub and it would fit fine as well. Add to that the reasonable price and I thought that would actually be the route I would take.

So, I emailed SVS and after exchanging several emails with Erik (who, incredibly, would respond to emails on weekends - Sundays included) in which I described my room size (~4500-5000 cu. ft - family room with connected dining/kitchen area - stupid open floor plans :)), and the sort of levels I sometimes get to listen at (85/95dB music/movies when the family's not around), he clearly thought I needed at least the PB12-NSD or PCi. But, he also suggested that I save my pennies and get a Plus-series sub.

At that point, I thought I would get a 25-31 PCi - which is the sub that I had always been attracted to - figuring it would still be a big step up from the PDR-10. But, then I pondered this a bit more and after reading a few hundred more posts :) I decided that I should see if I could swing the money for a 25-31 PC+. Besides the 12.3 driver, I also liked the idea that it would let me play with lower frequency settings using the port blockers. Well, after poking around the bank accounts, I decided I could find the extra $225 I needed for a 25-31 PC+.

But, I also decided that I would sit tight and see if a B-Stock 25-31 PC+ showed up - this would save me another $50. So, I wrote a Perl script to check the SVS website a few times a day for one to show up on the B-stock page and lo and behold one popped up after only about a week of waiting. I immediately bought it and as you can see I'm very happy I did.

Next steps consist of an Avia calibration and a RoomEQWizard analysis. And, if necessary and funds allow, I'll introduce a BFD into the picture.

I hope this helps another future shopper in their journey,



Mitch

[jvgillow]

...I wrote a Perl script to check the SVS website a few times a day for one to show up on the B-stock page and lo and behold one popped up after only about a week of waiting.

Hey that's a good idea for those who are trying to nab any B-stock models. Of course I've heard they don't always put them on the web site quickly so calling SVS is the best way to check.

Who's going to make a perl script that dials their number several times a day with a prerecorded message? "Do you have any <insert> model subs in B-stock? Press 1 for yes, press 2 for no." OK so SVS might not like that idea very much :)

[micah3sixty]

Guess it's about time I joined this thread being a new owner of a 'real' subwoofer, the SVS PB10. My previous subs were two Onkyo HTIB subs (an 8" and a 10") and a Yamaha dual 8". I thought these subs were great for the price but I was ignorant to what else was out there. I was about to get the Bic H100 but when I went to the b-stock page at SVS one day and saw the PB10-NSD, I couldn't resist and snached it up. My first thoughts after getting it was that it wasn't as loud or as hard hitting. After proper calibration and location, I realized that I was hearing clean, untampered bass for the first time where as my previous subs had a large gain in the 50-80 hz range that was not true to the signal bass. Now I understand what real 20hz bass is all about after watching WOTW, Master and Commander, Incredibles and other bass-happy movies. I can see myself wanting to upgrade to a NSD/2 or Plus/2 someday hungry for more, but for now the PB10 fits the need and get's me where I haven't been before.

My Setup:
Onkyo HT-R530 7.1 receiver
Panasonic AE900u projected onto a 76" screen
Advent Heritage H500 towers (L/R), Center, H200 (rear L/R) and H100 (back L/R)
SVS PB10-NSD

Room size is 17 x 14 x 8, opened to the kitchen and hall totalling about 3800 cubic feet (more if bedroom doors are opened).

[Schwingding]

Just ordered a new PB12-plus from Eric. Should be quite a jump from the Velodyne Minivee (which will now go in Mrs. Schwingding's TV room)

[Twigman]

I have had the PB12-NSD/2 for about 2 months now and it is without question the greatest audio purchase I have ever made. It just kills.

[jvgillow]

In a few days I should be receiving a used CS-Ultra (from vitod), which will bring my total up to 2. Then there's a whole new round of positioning and calibration to find out what works best with a dual sub configuration. I'll probably end up with one in each front corner instead of colocating but only if that yields improved response linearity. My EP2500 will finally have to drive that other channel that's been sitting idle for months :)

[Cakehomme]

Hey Ron,

If this Canadian reseller offers a reduced bottom line for Canadian buyers why not throw me a free gift to make me feel better for buying one before the savings!

[cyannkillspetey]

I am looking to get a sub from SVS, I just cant make up my mind. I just purchased the Rti 12's from polk alond with the matching enter and surrounds. I wasnt to impressed with thier subs. I have heard many good things about SVS, I am just torn with making a choice to go with either the PB12 SNB/2, the PB12 ultra (I just cant swing the PBultra/2) , or the PC-ultra. Any info guys?

[ransac]

I am looking to get a sub from SVS, I just cant make up my mind. I just purchased the Rti 12's from polk alond with the matching enter and surrounds. I wasnt to impressed with thier subs. I have heard many good things about SVS, I am just torn with making a choice to go with either the PB12 SNB/2, the PB12 ultra (I just cant swing the PBultra/2) , or the PC-ultra. Any info guys?
If you have a large space to fill, go with any /2 or dual subs. If your space is 3000 cubic feet or smaller, go with any single (unless you want the dual anyway). If floor space is at a premium, look at the cylinders (unless you want cylinders anyway). If HT is your thing, work up the product line from the bottom to the top and when your budget won't allow anymore, stop and buy.

[Big Bri]

Just contact SVS, and tell them about your budget, space, and listening habits. They'll give you very honest advice, and won't try to oversell you. I ended up with a PB Plus/2. See first post in the thread.

[mschiff]

I just found out that my PB12-NSD has been shipped and is due to be delivered on Friday, just in time for the weekend.

I know what I'm going to be doing this weekend. :D

- -Martin

[suniil]

I've PC+ 25-31, see here (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3176480&postcount=11) and awaiting shipment of SB12 Plus

[WolfsBane]

Finally received my PB12-NSD late this afternoon.... ;)

[darthbrooklyn]

I just ordered a PB10... I cant wait...... :D :D :D

[darthbrooklyn]

I just got the PB10 yesterday... Something needs tweaking though i think.... The Depth Charge scene in U571 almost knocked the pictures off the walls but the "asteroid blast" scene in Attack of the clones seemed a little lacking.... anyone have any thoughts?

[WolfsBane]

What are your room dimensions, and how is your sub set up on your receiver?

[darthbrooklyn]

My living room is approx 18' long by 13' Wide... I have all speakers set to small , Sub vol on receiver set at 0db, and the sub gain at 9 o'clock.

[WolfsBane]

Sounds about right. You may have some phase issues or nulls in your room. If you have an SPL meter and the AVIA disk, you may want to do a sub tone sweep and check to see if the placement of your sub in your room is giving you issues. A couple of feet sometimes makes a huge difference on how linear your frequency response can be.

[darthbrooklyn]

My SVS is currently in the front left corner of my room. While playing test tones, there is greater bass in other parts of the room instead of the dead middle of the room where the listening position is. The only problem is the size of the sub.. I really dont have any other place to put it. Are there any other options? How about this? With the Sub in the front left corner, should the driver be facing any specific direction?

[DrPainMD]

My SVS is currently in the front left corner of my room. While playing test tones, there is greater bass in other parts of the room instead of the dead middle of the room where the listening position is. The only problem is the size of the sub.. I really dont have any other place to put it. Are there any other options? How about this? With the Sub in the front left corner, should the driver be facing any specific direction?

try this tip: http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/setup/loudspeakers/crawlingforbasssubwooferpl.php

[darthbrooklyn]

try this tip: http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/setup/loudspeakers/crawlingforbasssubwooferpl.php


Ive done this , but i really have no other place to put the sub beacause its so large.... How about the direction the front firing woofer is placed? Would that make a difference? Woofer pointing toward the back of the room, pointing toward the other side of the room, pointing toward the front of the room?

[Macfan424]

My SVS is currently in the front left corner of my room. While playing test tones, there is greater bass in other parts of the room instead of the dead middle of the room where the listening position is. The only problem is the size of the sub.. I really dont have any other place to put it. Are there any other options? How about this? With the Sub in the front left corner, should the driver be facing any specific direction?
That's pretty common, actually.

Not much you can do other than installing bass traps, which is not a realistic option for many of us. The direction the woofer faces should have no noticeable effect, although it doesn't cost anything to experiment.

I have pretty much the same situation, and settled for calibrating to my seating position and living with the anomalies elsewhere. You might try contacting SVS to see if they have any suggestions. They are very helpful, although I doubt there is much to be done in this case, given your placement limitations (which I share).

[WolfsBane]

That, indeed, seems to be the problem. The issue does not appear to be the sub... but rather the room. I would suspect that even if you had the room for it, moving the sub may only partially solve your present issue. If financially feasable, and if you have enough room, I would look into some bass traps or other viable room treatment.

[darthbrooklyn]

Yeah, unfortunately the bass would sound best if i had it placed right in front of the entrance to my apartment.. I dont think the wife would appreciate having to climb over it to enter and leave the house...hahahaha

[WolfsBane]

Well... mine has made her first comment of "concern" this week. Was watching War of the Worlds, and the whole house was shaking. Not nearly as bad, though, as when I was running the AVIA tone sweeps on the sub. My puppies dissapeared to hide upstairs. Had to go and comfort them for half an hour... :rolleyes:

[Macfan424]

...My puppies dissapeared to hide upstairs. Had to go and comfort them for half an hour... :rolleyes:
:D Since I got my SVS 16-46 PC+, my dog trots out of the room every time he sees me crack open a DVD!

[darthray]

:D Since I got my SVS 16-46 PC+, my dog trots out of the room every time he sees me crack open a DVD!

My Cat beg to get in the Theatre. And usally fall asleep on the couch on the second row. :eek:

Ray

[bsheldon]

Darth, do try spinning the sub so that the woofer fires in different directions. It can make a night and day difference. In my old apartment, I was extremely limited on placement options with my old sub, really the only thing I could do was spin it 180 degree, it made a huge difference in my seated position. My current sub, pb12+/2, being the huge monstrocity that it is, I only have one location that it can go. I have done some calibration on it, and did it with the ports firing into the room and then spun it so the ports fire against the wall (ie spinning 180 degrees) and there was a very noticeable difference. I went from +/- 7db's to +/- 4db's from 100hz to 20hz, just by spinning the sub. Also, if you can't totally change the location, try just a few inches one way or another if at all possible--it can make a big difference as well. Again, in my old apartment, the sweet spot in the room was almost night and day difference from the rest, and it was only about a 12" cubed area, that just happened to be about 6" behind my head in my recliner--could never quite get perfect. The point is, just a few inches SOMETIMES can make a world of difference. There are about 10,000 variables that go into how bass will sound from a sub in your home--it is a lot of experimenting and keeping your fingers crossed. One way to take a lot of luck out of the equation is to get a BFD or similar EQ to help with room issues if placement options are exhuasted. Best of luck with your new baby and in your search to get the most out of it.

[darthbrooklyn]

Thanks for the advice guys.. Going to try spinning it with some low Hz sweeps this afternoon after the wife leaves.. He he

[WolfsBane]

If you have pets, make sure they are not in the room. They seem to hate the high level tone sweeps for the subs.

[Big Bri]

Just did a routine calibration of my speaker levels, and found that I had to knock my LFE pre-out on my AVR down from -3.0 db to -5.0 db. My PB Plus/2 has been up and running a couple months now. I initially set it up to run about 5.0 db hot over the rest of my speakers, and I guess over the last couple months its broken in quite a bit. Just an FYI for those of you who haven't calibrated in a while. I expected it to brake in, just not that significantly.

[r:o:b]

i actually called svs asking about brake in period. THey told me there isnt one, just to run the sub a little quiter than normal untill you get adjusted to it...

[gmoney80]

i love my 20-39 pci fantastic value, best subs in the business, but now looking for bigger and deeper i will probably buy and ultra. can't wait to try one of those bad boys out

[tvsurfer]

I have one of those Kill-A-Watt deals to measure power consumption and measured my SVS sub at 18 watts a normal levels and ~26 watts at full tilt reference levels...double-checked it even. I thought something was wrong with the meter, but my receiver was pulling 76-125 watts, my PC 150 watts at idle, Sony laptop - 47 watts so I think the meter is ok. Could the SVS be this efficient?

[cschang]

what kind of material was playing through the sub when you took the measurements?

[Buckeyefan]

Keep in mind, that meter is reading consumption, and not amplifier output. Also keep in mind that is a class D amp, which doesn't generate a lot of heat. They run 90% efficient, where a class A/B amp as in your receiver is roughly 50% efficient.

A large, ported box should be extremely efficient, espeically with a BASH amp.

Try your meter on a hair dryer on high, an iron heated up, and toaster oven heated up. Also try it on a simple lamp with a 100 watt bulb.

Report back if you don't mind. ;)

[tvsurfer]

I played Tupac Shakur "Hail Mary" lots of ~20Hz bass. I totally forgot about the benefits of a BASH amp so I guess these result really aren't a surprise.

Those are all good suggestions to test, but I borrowed the Kill-A-Watt from a buddy and already gave it back so no more testing. The box did say 0.2% accuracy. I tried it on my brother's color laser printer while printing: 850 watts max. My 50" LG plasma takes 49 watts turned off (!) and 450 watts while on.

[Kipp Jones]

Its not watts you want to be concerned about, its amps that you want to pay attention to.

[hdmi4ever]

Keep in mind, that meter is reading consumption, and not amplifier output.No matter how efficient the amp is, it can't output more power than it takes in!

[Kipp Jones]

PB2+ owner here. Just upgraded my drivers to the 12.3, wow!!! If you have not upgraded, go for it....Art????????????

Here is my gear.

[DrPainMD]

the little trash can .... is that the pci model?

[Kipp Jones]

LOL, its for the fireplace ashes.

[hdmi4ever]

Upon further reading, it seems the low wattage used by your subwoofer (and receiver) at reference levels is probably accurate and is due to the exponential nature of sound. With sound, the power has an exponential relationship to the perceived volume, such that the difference between 2 watts and 20 watts is perceived as the same as 20 watts vs. 200 watts.

Maybe your system only has capacity for a 20% increase in perceived volume before you max it, but that last 20% would require a multiple of the power that you were using at reference levels.

[DrPainMD]

LOL, its for the fireplace ashes.

There's a store near me which sells fireplace equipment, and they have a sign outside and it says "We Kick Ash".

[Pradeep]

I was thinking more of a chunder bucket :)

[tvsurfer]

I probably could have turned it up louder, but it was already rattling the walls. The 20x14 room gave out before the sub (corner loaded) so maybe I wasn't maxing it out as I thought, explaining the low consumption. I just bought a kill-a-watt of my own from ebay so now I can test at my own pace.

[ransac]

What you are reading is the RMS wattage use. Since an audio signal, especially to a sub, is more not there than it is there, your average power useage is very low. If you want to see how much it can draw, run a 20Hz sine wave at full volume. Then you should see power consumption close to the full capability of the amp

[ThomasV555]

PB2+ owner here. Just upgraded my drivers to the 12.3, wow!!! If you have not upgraded, go for it....Art????????????

Here is my gear.

Kipp,
That sub blends in very nicely. No wires either, near-field well done.
Do you use it as an end-table for drinks and stuff?

[billybob_jcv]

Kipp, I noticed you have your center on the floor under your screen. How's the vocals from that set-up?

[Kipp Jones]

Kipp,
That sub blends in very nicely. No wires either, near-field well done.
Do you use it as an end-table for drinks and stuff?

Thanks. My goal was an uncluttered appearance. I do not use it for anything other than a sub. It hides nice behind the couch considering its size.

[Kipp Jones]

Kipp, I noticed you have your center on the floor under your screen. How's the vocals from that set-up?

Actually very well. That is a Klipsch RC-7. I actually plan on mounting it to the wall but have been too busy to get to that. Soon.

[BTT917]

Its not watts you want to be concerned about, its amps that you want to pay attention to.Wouldn't they be directly related, as long as the comparisons are done at the same voltage?

[ameyers]

PB2+ owner here. Just upgraded my drivers to the 12.3, wow!!! If you have not upgraded, go for it....Art????????????

Here is my gear.

How does SVS handle the upgrade and how much is it? Thanks for the info!

[jvgillow]

It's $169 per woofer, and you have to switch out the drivers yourself. All you should need is a drill with a philips screwdriver bit, or even a hand screwdriver if you are very patient.

[ransac]

I don't know if they still do, but in the beginning, SVS even provided the bit.

[ssabripo]

Well ladies...it's official...the Ultra is gone!! :o
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Ok, time to look into a replacement!!! will the following contenders please rise:

http://www.tcsounds.com/TC_pics/drivers/lms-5400/5400_00m.jpg
http://www.tcsounds.com/TC_pics/drivers/tc-5200/5200_00m.jpg
http://www.adireaudio.com/Mobile/T15D2v3%20Rear_small.jpg

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ps- see that little nice SVS sign on the wall? person with the biggest bid gets it!! LOL

[jvgillow]

A dark shadow falls over Shervin's theater room as he laughs with diabolical insanity. The walls shake with fierce intensity as the SVS placard in the background falls to the ground.

[ssabripo]

A dark shadow falls over Shervin's theater room as he laughs with diabolical insanity. The walls shake with fierce intensity as the SVS placard in the background falls to the ground.
"...run biatches, run!!!" http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/runaway.gif

[ransac]

Time to revoke Sherv's access to this thread.

[ssabripo]

Time to revoke Sherv's access to this thread.
NEVAR!!! http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/nono.gif

I'm have been awarded an honorary SVS degree from Ron Stimpson and Tom Vodhanel for "lifetime achievement" and "contributions to objective/subjective impressions" in the arena of ported subwoofers! http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/kekekegay.gif


http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/naughty.gif

[jvgillow]

I just realized nobody had posted a link to this yet in the owner's thread. The map was started a while back and is a nice tool if you are trying to locate nearby SVS owners:

http://www.frappr.com/svsowners

[ssabripo]

I just realized nobody had posted a link to this yet in the owner's thread. The map was started a while back and is a nice tool if you are trying to locate nearby SVS owners:

http://www.frappr.com/svsowners
and guess who started it?!! :D

[Capa]

I just got 2 PB+/2 with the new 12.3 drivers. I had bought a used 16-46PC+ with 12.1 driver but never even set it up(was way too small for the area I need to pressurize)

PM me if anyone wants to talk about it, I'm thinking of asking 725 or so(I also have an extra 12.1 driver I was going to include with it that the previous owner sent to me).

[slybasil]

any svs owners in the Orange County, Calif? who would be willing to let someone listen to there sub? thinking about geting PB12-plus 2. Having a hard time making that leap blind. Would rather hear it play first. PM me if you have an SVS I could listen to.

[Kipp Jones]

Go ahead and get the PB12+2. If you are not happy with it (which is highly unlikely) you can return it. Why not demo in your own home???

[DrPainMD]

Dr. Pain,

Actually an announcement about that is coming very soon, thanks for the interest. Our goal will be stable prices, enhanced accessability, and simpler/lower shipping costs. We've been working on procedures for world-market presence for over a year now and frankly Canada was the toughest case to make from a business standpoint (sales have been quite good there over the years right from the US after all). We think the right combination of conditions exist, finally. We've been in intense discussions with a well-established web-direct reseller with a good track record of providing good service to his customers and expect this to bear fruit around the end of the month.

PS there is actually no "duty" now on most SVS products AFAIK, we ship north all the time (heck our amps actually come from there now). There are some pesky "border fees" that amount to a similar thing, and we're well aware of that small, but pervasive, added cost.

Ron
SVS


Got a email from Ron today about that^:

We’ll be announcing that around the first of October or so. Sales will transition around 15 OCT to the Dealer (SVS won’t be shipping directly unless there is some exceptional issue). We expect shipping from Canada ( Toronto to be precise) first week to mid-November. Prices should be fairly stable (though most if not all SVS prices are due for a hike soon, we haven’t done it in 7 years!). Shipping, returns and repair parts should be all much easier for people however.

More soon.

Ron
SVS

I've seen this on Crutchfield:

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-BTAJUQM1Nap/app/secure/signup/CanadaSubscribe.aspx


To our Canadian friends

Great news! Crutchfield is coming to Canada.

For over 32 years, millions of people in the United States have relied on Crutchfield for their consumer electronics needs. We have built our business on two foundations—outstanding service and in-depth information. Crutchfield has won numerous awards for service excellence as well as awards for our website and catalogs.

Our goal is to provide Canadians with this same outstanding level of service and information. As you can imagine, it is virtually impossible to quickly replicate a business in Canada that has taken us almost a third of century to build in the U.S. If we tried, our service quality could be seriously compromised. So, we will start with a limited assortment of product warehoused in a single facility in the Province of Ontario. Hopefully, within a relatively short period of time, we will be able to add our full line of consumer electronics.

Hopefully by late-October, you should be able to order from a respectable assortment of televisions both online and over our toll-free phone lines. Naturally, our Canadian customers will benefit from a full range of Crutchfield’s respected customer support services.

Wonder if they are the ones who are going to be the Auth resellers?

[Brian27]

Hello all, I am a pretty recent owner of a svspb12plus/2 :D and had a question I posted in the sub forum but not answerd yet so I figured I would just ask in this thread to others who own mine or other svs subs. Ok, here's my question, I also have a small 10in. Velodyne sub that I got years ago at circuit city, a CHT-10, and the lowest frequency response with it is 28hz and I was wondering if any of you would use it with the svspb12+2 tuned to 20hz? :confused: My room is 19ft by 16ft w/opening to dining/kitchen area which makes it around 4000cubic ft. I also have the Velodyne SMS-1 eq to flatten out my freq. response which leaves me to ask this question...The SMS-1 has a subsonic filter just like the pb12+2 has and I dont know if I should by-pass the filter on the svs or set the sms-1 filter to the lowest it has which is 15hz and a 6db slope? :confused: I can adjust the slope on the sms-1 higher such as 24db slope. I could also set the sms-1 to the same subsonic filter as the svs but I'm just not sure what to do...any suggestions? :confused:

Thanks for your help!
Brian

[F355FTS]

Whoo Hooo. Just got my very first sub. SVS 20-39 pc plus.

Even got it as a B stock and saved a few bucks.

I guess good things come to those who wait.

[mschiff]

Last night my wife and I watched "Lucky # Sleven" on our HT. I recently replaced a Velodyne CHT-12 with a new SVS PB12-NSD. During the movie (it has a surprisingly good LFE track), she asked "is that our speakers shaking the house?" :D And indeed it was.

Suddenly she understood why I "needed" the new subwoofer. ;)

-- Martin

[Ron Temple]

Looked for the other thread...seems to be missing. Anyway, popped in the 12.3 vs. the 12.2 this morning. As Kipp said, there's appreciable improvement to SQ in the mid and upper bass. It's not night and day, but it's not subtle either. I'll re-calibrate tonight, but I sure like what I've heard so far. I will run some comparative numbers. I don't expect huge differences vs. the 12.2 in output, but it's obvious to me the 12.3 is an improvement.

[Kipp Jones]

Ron,
That thread is missing along with the SB-12+ and PB12 thread??? Are you pleased with the upgrade?

[avsrebel]

How soon on the new Ultra drivers?
I've read next year. I've also read they'll be ~14" drivers.

I'm looking to upgrade my subs in the future, and I was leaning toward PB12+/2 with the 12.3 drivers at minimum. My room is 2400 cu ft. I don't know if I should wait.... I like to hit over 120 db across the lower band in general and over 100 db @ 20Hz :D. I'm guessing I'll need more.

[lhard77]

Woohoo, I just received tracking information from SVS. My new 25-31PCi(22hz tuned) will be here Tuesday!!! Looks like this will be a long weekend, filled with anticipation. I just cannot wait to join the rest of you as proud SVS owners!


Lane

[Ron Temple]

Kipp, I just put in a couple of pieces of music that I'm totally familiar with. Immediately noticed more detail and I'm probably 1 or 2db louder too. I'll calibrate tonight. Sure I'm pleased. SQ wise it does not seem like a small difference. It's immediately apparent which is what I wanted. I'm pretty much echoing everyone else that's done this, so no surprise. I don't think I've seen one post on 5 forums from anyone claiming it isn't a bump.

Nice to be reassured though :cool:

[Chaosphere482]

Does anyone know if they are replacing the PC Ultra with the new woofers? I hope not for my sake because I just got a PCU! Either way, the current PCU is more than sufficient for me.

[Ron Temple]

Does anyone know if they are replacing the PC Ultra with the new woofers? I hope not for my sake because I just got a PCU! Either way, the current PCU is more than sufficient for me.TV said they are ~ 95% done on the new Ultra, but it takes awhile to get from 95 to 99.5%...when they feel it's ready. Word is that it will feature a new nearly 14" driver. What that does to the amp/enclosure, I don't know. Enjoy your new PCU, it's still the best they make.

[KJ43]

My new PB12-NSD just arrived today along with the AVIA/SPL Meter bundle and I set it up on the Auralex Gramma I bought the other day.

Umm....this thing is HUGE! lmao! I did check the measurements when I bought it, but guess I just blew it off in my mind.

I had to set this behind the couch underneath a table. My couch is out in the open about 5 feet from the wall behind it. I don't really have any options in the house we are currently living in with the furniture that we have as far as location.

I just set my speaker levels with Avia. I haven't messed with the phase setting really as I was doing this all by myself so I left it set at auto.

I just watched some scenes from The Fellowship of the Ring - The Ring Drop scene and the Moria sequence. Wow! When the Watcher in the Water pulls the entrance apart you can really feel the impacts.

My dog however is not completely thrilled and I find that there are a lot of "rattly" things including the glass in the old window panes of the house I live in. :D

[Ron Temple]

Here are the corrected numbers for the 12.3 driver, corner loaded, calibrated to 79db @ -10, probably about +7 hot. I tried to load the spreadsheet, but I'm having some issues zipping the sucker.

125hz - 78.2db
111hz - 95.25db
100hz - 89.3db
90hz - 96.4db
80hz - 96.5db
75hz - 97.6db
70hz - 97.7db
65hz - 97.8db
60hz - 97.9db
55hz - 101db
50hz - 93.3db
45hz - 97.7db
40hz - 104db
35hz - 110.5db
30hz - 109.4db
27.5hz - 108.7db
25hz - 107.4db
22hz - 106.4db
20hz - 106.2db

uncorrected
18hz - 96db
16hz - 92db

IIRC the numbers I ran for the 12.2 were not nearly as flat with a 14db suckout from 45 - 60hz, so I'm pretty happy. I'll turn the gain down tonight and re-calibrate to 75. Lot's of room gain huh?

Room's 18x14x7.5 with a 5' opening into another 5000cube. 20-39+ is corner loaded on the other side of the opening.

[bhchan]

this thread looks like it's surviving well (YAY!)

I've been a proud SVS owner for ... at least a year now. Got the PB12-Ultra (single driver) and have been very unhappy with the way the sub puts cracks in my drywall and tiles. :P
I recently found another hairline fracture at the top of my staircase. *grumble*

I'm still surprised my neighbors haven't come knocking on the door complaining. Then again, they probably can't localize it. (thank goodness)

In summary. A very satisfied owner of a very well built sub that fit very well in my budget. So happy I plagarized a certain well known author for my sig. :D

[b curry]

Has anyone received or listened to the new SB-12+?

[nethomas]

I am the happy owner of a Pair of CS-Ultras and a K1 amp with a BFD. I am probably not supposed to do this here, but I have to go to a smaller(as in not as tall) sub and therefore I am selling the whole rig. If anyone is interested let me know via PM. I LOVE the sound of these babies, but moving to smaller digs and wife says they have to go and get smaller!! Thanks

[ssabripo]

any of you folks interested in my SVS sign? PM me if you are...

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[jbone]

any of you folks interested in my SVS sign? PM me if you are...

How much for the bunny? :)

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2420930840037002257yUJhtK

[DrPainMD]

How much for the bunny? :)

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2420930840037002257yUJhtK

I think that's a panda

[ssabripo]

How much for the bunny? :)

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2420930840037002257yUJhtK
LOL...dont mess with my Panda son!! do you wanna get shot?! :D :p

[Avliner]

Have been a PB10 -ISD owner for almost a year and tell you what, I'm pretty much enjoying the amazing bass this baby throws out, with ease & authority.

Cheers / Avliner.

[lhard77]

Hi everyone, I have officially become an SVS owner. I got my 25-31PCi back on Tuesday.

My first impression was.... wow this thing is huge. I mean, I bought the smallest cylinder they have and wow. I even checked the dimensions on their site repeatedly before it got here, and I was still shocked! My wife actually commented at the look on my face as I unboxed the monster.

My second impression after everything is hooked up was, WOW! The sub is still huge, but the sound is unreal. I never expected my house to shake with a <$600 sub. The SVS is awesome. My first impression was before I actually used avia/spl meter to set it up properly. After the set-up I am just simply blown away.

A good word for SVS:

I was really concerned about price and everyone kept telling me that the PCPlus was the better way to go, but Tom@SVS suggested the PCi. What an experience to have an owner of a company tell you the "cheaper sub" is the way to go! So far he was right.

Thanks for all of the SVS talk on this forum. I can honestly say I didn't have a clue about subwoofers before I used this forum. I was absolutely led in the right direction by everyone.

Lane

[ransac]

How does it compare with the Aperion? Depth, SQ, SPL?

[lhard77]

Good to hear from you Randy.

The SVS has the Aperion beat hands down in depth and SPL. If you aren't pushing the Aperion too hard the sound quality is great, just as the SVS. But, you might remember I have a really large room so I am pushing the sub really hard. In my room the SVS is absolutely better. It really shocked me that Tom recommended the PCi(over the PC+, and my budget), but he was right. The PCi does not have the port noise that the Aperion had in my room even at higher volumes. The SVS absoutely rocks the house on movies. Although I don't think it(SVS 25-31PCi) is as good with music as the Aperion S-12, but my main use is HT.

Lane

[DrPainMD]

they sell in Canada Now

[Kipp Jones]

any of you folks interested in my SVS sign? PM me if you are...

http://thumb17.webshots.net/t/59/159/3/24/51/2363324510037002257douYBd_th.jpg (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2363324510037002257douYBd)http://thumb17.webshots.net/t/36/36/5/76/36/2186576360037002257RvzhtM_th.jpg (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2186576360037002257RvzhtM)


I'll send ya $10 bucks for it.

[dubphotek]

Greetings from another 20-39 PC–Plus owner. Like most other owners of this brand I absolutely love this sub. My 19-mo-old daughter and I give it big hugs on a regular basis.

[ssabripo]

I'll send ya $10 bucks for it.
already sold man...sorry.

and HELL NO, I wouldn't sell it for $10!! are you crazy?! :eek: After I commited to someone here, I've gotten $50-$60 offers.

[jvgillow]

After I commited to someone here, I've gotten $50-$60 offers.

Those people may contact me with their $50-$60 offer and next week I will have Shervin's SVS sign ready for shipping...





Just kidding. :)

[GodURmyall]

After 12 years of a basic Kenwood stereo system, I'm finally taking the plunge into home theater. Granted, the budget requires a piece-by-piece plunge, but at least it's happening! I've put all the pieces together except the subwoofer, and it HAS to be an SVS sub, so don't try and change my mind. ;-)

However, I'm a bit stuck on which sub to get. My inclination is toward the PB12-NSD, but here's my situation:

My wife and I use the system for 95% tv/movies, 4% video games and 1% music. Granted, those numbers may change with a new setup, but that's accurate for us now. We have a 15-month old daughter and another child due in February, so we won't be listening at earth-shattering volumes very often, but maybe only on rare occasions. Including shipping, we're about $400 away from purchasing a new PB12-NSD, but we're hoping to sell the old stereo for half of that and get the rest of the money for Christmas from our family. We've been saving for over 3 years for a surround system, so we know how to be patient.

My first question is about which sub would be best for us. I've read through plenty of reviews, opinions and every other thought (mostly here at avsforum.com), but I wanted to ask people for some honest recommendations. (BTW, the fronts are Athena F2.2s, a C1.2 in the center and two S.5s for surround).

My second question is about placement of the sub. I know, I'll probably have to try it out in different locations, but I would at least like to go into it with some sort of basic idea about the whole process. I've included a rough map of our room layout. I tried to make it as accurate as possible and I hope it's not too confusing. I've also numbered the wife's preferred locations for the subwoofer, although I'm willing to stick it just about anywhere within reason. Please note, the bedroom on the LEFT is our room (so nobody will be sleeping in there during movies). The rooms at the top are the baby rooms. One is DIRECTLY behind the entertainment center wall and the other is directly behind the 16'3" wall. Spot #3 has a nice bright floor lamp in that corner which we'd hate to move, but I'm still open to suggestions.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k271/GodURmyall/HTsetup-1.jpg

My third question is about the $599 price tag for the PB12-NSD. Is that an introductory price for just a limited time? Do we need to bite the bullet and grab one now (i.e. ask for our Christmas money a bit early?) or will this price continue into January of 2007?

My last question can probably wait for a bit, but I want to ask it so I don't forget. My receiver is an Onkyo TX-SR604 with the Audyssey2 setup feature. Is that enough to set up a subwoofer, or do I need the additional SPL meter and Avia disk?

Thanks in advance for your help. I know this is a lot of stuff all at once, but this first bite of my home theater sandwich is a big one for me and I'm extremely grateful for any assistance I get while scarfing the whole thing down. Thanks again.

<><
Cliff


[jvgillow]

SVS has mentioned the inevitability of price hikes once or twice here and on other forums, so I would expect the SVS prices to increase across the board next year.

Will it go up before Christmas? I don't think it would be a smart move, since places like HSU actually discount their models around the holiday (10% off IIRC). But if their supply costs keep going up then they don't have much choice.

[Macfan424]

GodURmyall, if you haven't done so already, I'd recommend you post your questions directly to SVS. They are extremely helpful and won't oversell (one of the reasons they have so many loyal customers). There are a lot of well informed people here, but no one better qualified to discuss SVS subs than the people who designed and build them.

[WolfsBane]

After 12 years of a basic Kenwood stereo system, I'm finally taking the plunge into home theater. Granted, the budget requires a piece-by-piece plunge, but at least it's happening! I've put all the pieces together except the subwoofer, and it HAS to be an SVS sub, so don't try and change my mind. ;-)

However, I'm a bit stuck on which sub to get. My inclination is toward the PB12-NSD, but here's my situation:

My wife and I use the system for 95% tv/movies, 4% video games and 1% music. Granted, those numbers may change with a new setup, but that's accurate for us now. We have a 15-month old daughter and another child due in February, so we won't be listening at earth-shattering volumes very often, but maybe only on rare occasions. Including shipping, we're about $400 away from purchasing a new PB12-NSD, but we're hoping to sell the old stereo for half of that and get the rest of the money for Christmas from our family. We've been saving for over 3 years for a surround system, so we know how to be patient.

My first question is about which sub would be best for us. I've read through plenty of reviews, opinions and every other thought (mostly here at avsforum.com), but I wanted to ask people for some honest recommendations. (BTW, the fronts are Athena F2.2s, a C1.2 in the center and two S.5s for surround).

My second question is about placement of the sub. I know, I'll probably have to try it out in different locations, but I would at least like to go into it with some sort of basic idea about the whole process. I've included a rough map of our room layout. I tried to make it as accurate as possible and I hope it's not too confusing. I've also numbered the wife's preferred locations for the subwoofer, although I'm willing to stick it just about anywhere within reason. Please note, the bedroom on the LEFT is our room (so nobody will be sleeping in there during movies). The rooms at the top are the baby rooms. One is DIRECTLY behind the entertainment center wall and the other is directly behind the 16'3" wall. Spot #3 has a nice bright floor lamp in that corner which we'd hate to move, but I'm still open to suggestions.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k271/GodURmyall/HTsetup-1.jpg

My third question is about the $599 price tag for the PB12-NSD. Is that an introductory price for just a limited time? Do we need to bite the bullet and grab one now (i.e. ask for our Christmas money a bit early?) or will this price continue into January of 2007?

My last question can probably wait for a bit, but I want to ask it so I don't forget. My receiver is an Onkyo TX-SR604 with the Audyssey2 setup feature. Is that enough to set up a subwoofer, or do I need the additional SPL meter and Avia disk?

Thanks in advance for your help. I know this is a lot of stuff all at once, but this first bite of my home theater sandwich is a big one for me and I'm extremely grateful for any assistance I get while scarfing the whole thing down. Thanks again.

<><
Cliff


The PB12-NSD will complement well with your front speakers, (specially the dual 8'' woofers on your athenas). The only concern that I would have is the size of the area that you are trying to provide LFR and LFE for. The size of the listening room by itself would not be a problem, if it wasn't for the fact that it is open to two other rooms. You will need to account for that. One solution would be near placement to the listening location. If your listening habits doesn't include reference level, though, the PB12-NSD should be fine. Prices will be going up in the near future, (cost of materials to manufacture the subs). There varying takes on auto setups, but for the most part, most pros and HT/AV followers have an unfavorable opinions of auto setups, and rely on an SPL meter and a reference disk with tones, such as AVIA for level calibrations and phase adjustments. Specially to set up the sub.

[JamesCurtis]

After my package was delayed two days, I will have a subwoofer when I come home from work tonight :). Now I just need to pick up a tripod and radioshack spl meter and i'll be rollin. I can't wait to get home!

[KJ43]

Enjoy yourself! I did that the other day when I got my first real subwoofer (PB12NSD).

Getting your speakers set up using the spl meter really makes a difference.

[darthbrooklyn]

Enjoy, I got mine a month ago... Make sure all your picture frames and anything less than 5lbs sitting on a shelf is secured tightly....

[max190]

After my package was delayed two days, I will have a subwoofer when I come home from work tonight :). Now I just need to pick up a tripod and radioshack spl meter and i'll be rollin. I can't wait to get home!

James,
Welcome to the madness, and congrats on the SVS. I have a pb10, and I love it.

Good luck,

[JamesCurtis]

Well, I got the sub in. One thing to mention -- WOW is it ever huge for a 10" sub housing. My roommate who is 6'4" can fit in that box all curled up, and he's no contortionist. The first thing I did when I got it (radio shack didn't end up having the spl meter on hand) was crank it up a little and play a couple scenes from war of the worlds. the person sitting on the couch in front of the port jumped a couple times because of the air coming out of the port startling him :). All in all this thing brings down the house, now I just need to get it all configured to see what it can really do :).

Also now I need the surround speakers to match. They did fine before, but man can I tell how sub-par they are now.

Another happy SVS customer - insert huge smile -

[G-star]

congrats on the purchase, now get that thing calibrated and find the best possible location for it. for the $$ you plunked down, you owe it to yourself to get the best performance you can out of it. it really is a monster performer for its size, welcome to a whole new world of bass. :D

[kiwishred]

It kind of surpises me that SVS used their Plus 12.3 driver in the SB-12. Presumably that driver is optimised for large ported enclosures. I thought the conventional wisdom was that you needed an entirely different driver design for a small sealed enclosure versus a large ported enclosure.

Seems to me there might be an awful lot of EQ going on. Now that is not necessarily a bad thing and I am certainly not trying to knock a product I have never heard. Just interested to hear other's thoughts on this. In fact, I may end up buying one of these. The specs certainly look good on balance but there don't seem to be any end-user reviews or comparisons on it yet.

Also, I am wondering what giving up that last 5 Hz (25 Hz for the SB12+ vs 20 Hz for a 20-39 PC+ based on the FR graphs) means in practice. Reason I can't tell is that my current sub rolls off at more like 30Hz. Well at least it used to when it was actually working....

Brent

[Jack Gilvey]

It kind of surpises me that SVS used their Plus 12.3 driver in the SB-12. Presumably that driver is optimised for large ported enclosures.
Tough to say without the parameters.

Seems to me there might be an awful lot of EQ going on.
Maybe. Tough to name a commercial sealed sub in which this isn't the case. How that effects anything is a guess at this point.

The specs certainly look good on balance but there don't seem to be any end-user reviews or comparisons on it yet.
Not surprizing as it's not shipping yet.

There has been much second-guessing, etc., about the design, so it'll be nice when actual performance results are posted.

[WolfsBane]

Seems to me there might be an awful lot of EQ going on. Now that is not necessarily a bad thing and I am certainly not trying to knock a product I have never heard. Just interested to hear other's thoughts on this. In fact, I may end up buying one of these. The specs certainly look good on balance but there don't seem to be any end-user reviews or comparisons on it yet.

Also, I am wondering what giving up that last 5 Hz (25 Hz for the SB12+ vs 20 Hz for a 20-39 PC+ based on the FR graphs) means in practice. Reason I can't tell is that my current sub rolls off at more like 30Hz. Well at least it used to when it was actually working....

Brent

Any small/sealed subwoofer design is going to be a compromise by it's very nature. Size and cabinet volume matters when it comes to conveying low frequencies linearly at a high level with reasonably low distortion. So equalization or other electronics enhancements are key.

In practice, it means that you are not going to hear or sense that little extra umph that many of today's DVD have encoded. But even if you did have that capability, the ported cylinder would be able to do so with linearity and authority, and at a higher level. The SB12+ is meant for a small to medium room. It is a fantastic sub, but it is not meant to do the things that a larger volumed and ported sub can do down low.

[se-riously]

Happy to report that I'm the new owner of a B-stock PB10-ISD. Don't know why it was B-stock. It was absolutely flawless, perfectly packaged, etc. I can only hope that the person who returned it purchased a bigger SVS! At first, I was worried that it wasn't an NSD, but since SVS says there's no audible difference, who am I to challenge? Anyway, I'm one happy camper.

[Nick250]

Tough to say without the parameters.


Maybe. Tough to name a commercial sealed sub in which this isn't the case. How that effects anything is a guess at this point.


Not surprizing as it's not shipping yet.

There has been much second-guessing, etc., about the design, so it'll be nice when actual performance results are posted.

There is a review of it at audioholics but they tested it only for music, not HT!

Nick

[Kipp Jones]

ScottADowns just sold his two PB10s and purchased an SVS PB12NSD/2.

Scott....comments??? I want to come by for a demo.

[kiwishred]

There is a review of it at audioholics but they tested it only for music, not HT!

NickThanks Nick. The review doesn't seem to be in their search engine yet so it took me a little digginf around to find. Here is the link: http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/loudspeakers/SVSSB12Plusp1.php

Brent

[ScottaDowns]

Hope your happy with the PB10. The new PB12 plus/NSD is amazing. IM in the process of final wiring into the SBS 5.1 system as we speak. First rough impressions. AMAZING!!! Kipp I will call you today or Sunday for the Demo. Most likely Sunday.

[Big Bri]

Just wanted to pop in and say I'm glad this thread has lasted. Great posts, no bashing, just a bunch of folks who love their SVS's. Keep it up!

Just watched Kill Bill Vol 1 the other night, got it for my B-day. Not a whole lot down low, but definately hard hitting. DTS rocks.

[DrPainMD]

woot!

[DrPainMD]

Nevermind!

[bdz1]

I'm working on building out my home theater. I need a sub to complement an LSI 5-channel system. I'm sold on SVS but not sure which model. The room is big, about 3500-4000 cubic feet. It's pretty rectangular in shape with high ceilings. I will need to add a large throw rug since it's all hardwood with minimal furniture and no drapes. I'll probably make the theater sitting area only fill maybe 1/2 the length, just to sit close to the TV, so although it's a big room, I'll still be reasonably close to the subwoofer.

I'm trying to decide between the PB12-Plus and the PB12-Plus/2. I'll be using it mostly for music (classic rock, maybe metal), but I would love good performance for movies too.

Any thoughts? Thanks!

Brian

[tvsurfer]

Quick Update:
Ok, I got my Kill-A-Watt, fired up the old Denon test tones at reference levels (receiver at -4dB and SVS PB10-ISD near its limits) and this is what I got before I had to turn it down since it was really loud and my room was shaking apart.

16Hz - 26 watts max
32Hz - 30 watts max
64Hz - 56 watts max

btw, the sub seemed to be drawing about 0.4 amps. I guess I don't have to worry about the SVS jacking up my electric bill too much.

[billybob_jcv]

Bigger is always better! ;)

Send an email to SVS with your room dimensions and description, and they'll make a recommendation. My experience is that they won't oversell you - if they think the single driver will do it, they'll say so.

[cneely8]

Contact SVS, they should help you choose much better than we can.

[swgiust]

Just picked up HomeTheater magazine, the annual buyers guide. List hundreds of brands and items. Looked under subwoofers... no SVS listed?? I saw other internet only brands, Outlaw, Axiom, HSU.

For a sub company that has such a great following here, you would think they
would at least have a listing?

Any idea of whats going on??

[DrPainMD]

woot!

[---k---]

This forum isn't a good sample of the real world?

Probably politics.

[Randybes]

They probably just missed it. As I recall, SVS advertises in the magazine.

[Alan Gouger]

Please post all SVS related topics to this thread. Anything outside this thread may be moved to this thread.

Thank you.

[DrPainMD]

Well, I got the sub in. One thing to mention -- WOW is it ever huge for a 10" sub housing. My roommate who is 6'4" can fit in that box all curled up, and he's no contortionist. The first thing I did when I got it (radio shack didn't end up having the spl meter on hand) was crank it up a little and play a couple scenes from war of the worlds. the person sitting on the couch in front of the port jumped a couple times because of the air coming out of the port startling him :). All in all this thing brings down the house, now I just need to get it all configured to see what it can really do :).

Also now I need the surround speakers to match. They did fine before, but man can I tell how sub-par they are now.

Another happy SVS customer - insert huge smile -

Good to hear that your happy with it. Makes me think more about my future endeavors.

[Avliner]

Hi Curtis,

congrats on your new purchase; you'll not regret it at all!
I do have a PB10 also and I'm pretty much happy with it.

Let me just tell you what I've found at my new HT arrangement:

I placed the SW at BACK WALL, right besides a sofa and tell you what, will not remove it from there anymore. It makes the house rocks!

Enjoy the new baby the best you can; you just deserve it, don't ya?

Cheers / Avliner.

[G-star]

its nice to see that this thread survived and made it as a sticky. :)

i'm using a PB-10 ISD with an athena 5.0 speaker package and H/K AVR-235 receiver. i've had it for almost a year, and it still amazes me. i recently moved to a new house and am getting much flatter response and better performance from the sub in its new home, which is about 8" from a side wall, 18" from the corner, right next to a couch. bass now overall has a more tactile feel to it, i can only imagine what some of the higher end models can do. :eek:

[DrPainMD]

its nice to see that this thread survived and made it as a sticky. :)



yup

[Raindog314159]

I pulled the trigger on a 20-39 PCI yesterday. I'm kind of excited because this will be my first real sub, the only other one I have ever owned was a passive Kenwood which was included in a low end HTB setup.

My current room is 12x19x8 and I'm running JBL E90 fronts, EC35 center and E50 rears tied together with an Onkyo 603. Kind of lower end stuff but I'm happy with it. Hopefully the sub will add a new dimension to my movies and music.

Cheers
Mike

[Ron Temple]

It will definitely do that...congrats.

[Raindog314159]

Thanks Ron,

I purchased the Avia disc and SPL meter as well so I can get the best out of it. One of the folks I work with says that it's a waste of time but he also said that his Infinity HPS-1000 will blow any SVS out of the water. Time will tell I suppose.

[G-star]

Thanks Ron,

I purchased the Avia disc and SPL meter as well so I can get the best out of it. One of the folks I work with says that it's a waste of time but he also said that his Infinity HPS-1000 will blow any SVS out of the water. Time will tell I suppose.

HA!

invite him over after you've calibrated your system, and pop in war of the worlds. :cool:

calibration is essential, IMO. people spend thousands on this stuff and then don't take the time/effort to get it working to its full potential. :(

[cneely8]

>I purchased the Avia disc and SPL meter as well so I can get the best out of it. One of the folks I work with says that it's a waste of time <

Sounds like the real waste of time is talking to that friend at work.

Calibration is absolutely essential. Not just sub, but all speakers. Avia is a great choice. Also, specifically for sub, I recommend going to Realtraps.com and downloading the bass tones. Avia goes down to like 22 Hz, but the real traps tones start at 10 Hz, so you can really see what your sub is doing down low.

[Mitch G]

I would also like to put in a word for RoomEQWizard to calibrate the sub.
You need a soundcard and some cables and/or adapters, but it's a really nifty (free) tool for measuring sub response.
Once set up, it's makes for fast (and fun) measuring of your room's frequency response. I enjoyed running frequency sweeps at various places in my room and seeing how the response was different in different places.

I also did the whole BFD thing which was neat as well and definitely improved the sound quality in my room.


Mitch

[Avliner]

My current room is 12x19x8 and I'm running JBL E90 fronts, EC35 center and E50 rears tied together with an Onkyo 603. Kind of lower end stuff but I'm happy with it. Hopefully the sub will add a new dimension to my movies and music. Mike

Hi Mike,

don't underestimate the dark side of the force...

My speaker setup is quite similar to yours ( E-50 as mains L/R; EC-35 as C, + E-30's as S/SB, along with a PB10).
Even though the JBL's are considered to be "low end stuff" by some, they still have an impressive performance.
Add to this an SVS SW and will be on a different league though.

Once you got your system properly setup, you'll feel the difference and then you may invite your friend for a demo - or even better - tell him to bring his Infinity over for an A/B test (he'll see who's gonna be the winner though).

BTW, congrats & enjoy your system.

Cheers / Avliner.

[Raindog314159]

Thanks folks,

I'm going to try to wring every bit of performance from the JBL's and SVS. The only negative point is that I live on an island in a heavily snowbird laden area and the neighbors arrived just last week on either side of me. I'm not going to be very popular this year but the walls are rather thick so maybe it won't be so much of a problem.

I doubt the guy at work would bring his sub over for a comparison, the box is massive and probably weighs in excess of 150lbs. He's been trying to sell it for the last few weeks which is likely his reason for hyping it so much.

Cheers,
Mike

[Kipp Jones]

I just purchased an SVS 25-31 PC Plus, it arrived today. My other sub is a PB2+ (PB12 Plus/2). I wanted to know from other cylinder sub owners what to expect with the cylinder and what are some of the tweaks to really get the 25-31 PC Plus dialed in well. I have my PB2+ dialed in spot on and it performs very well.

The 25-31 PC Plus is for my wifes 5.1 setup. She liked the cylinder look over the box Velodyne we had so we upgraded. The cylinder does look great in place and takes up significantly less room on the floor even though it is much taller than the box sub it is replacing.

[Kipp Jones]

How many PB2+ (PB12Plus/2) owners have upgraded their drivers to the 12.3 version??? I did and am curious to what your experience was after the upgrade???

[antman27]

Hello all I am looking to upgrade my paradigm PDR8 to Either the SVS SB12-Plus Or a velo SPL1200R
I was hoping some SVS owners could help me make up my mind the velo is much more $$ but has a great room eq and a more powerful amp .
Anty thoughts

[Kipp Jones]

I have demoed the SB-12 and it is an excellent sub. If you are looking for a small sub with significant performance and great aesthetics, the SB-12 is the way to go. I demoed the velo but the ambient conditions were not the best so I cannot offer up a true opinion on the Velo.

[DrPainMD]

Kipp,

What can you tell me about the PB-10 and 25-31PCi.

I'm looking to buy one of them not sure which. This would be my first real sub, coming from a Advent 8inch sub, anything would be better.

Closed Room is 16x12x8 80%HT 20% Music

I can get the PB-10 for roughly $100 less than the 25-31.

I don't get close to reference levels when listening to movies(to loud for me). Looking for deep chest pounding bass with accurate sound.

Thanks

[Ron Temple]

Kipp,

What can you tell me about the PB-10 and 25-31PCi.

I'm looking to buy one of them not sure which. This would be my first real sub, coming from a Advent 8inch sub, anything would be better.

Closed Room is 16x12x8 80%HT 20% Music

I can get the PB-10 for roughly $100 less than the 25-31.

I don't get close to reference levels when listening to movies(to loud for me). Looking for deep chest pounding bass with accurate sound.

ThanksThe PB10 will be an excellent performer in that room. The 25-31 will have more output/headroom, but either sub will more than do the job for you. I've heard the PB10 in a slightly