I have a Dwin HD-500 CRT projector and I am trying to connect my Toshiba A1 HD-DVD player to the unit. I recently had an LD-5 line doubler attached to the projector which had component input & an RGBS pass-through. However, the Toshiba has only HDMI or component output. I can't use the component input on the LD-5 because it attempts to scale the HD image, which doesn't work. I can't use my DVI to VGA converter (like I always did for upscaling DVD / Dishnet HD receiver) because the Toshiba won't recognize the converter as an HDMI input.

So I am trying to figure out what type of scaler, if any, I can buy to enablethe Toshiba to work with my projector. Does anyone have any suggestions? I've contacted Dwin but got nowhere. I know all the smart techies on this forum are the ones to ask. Anyone?

It sounds like you will need either an hdcp stripper -->vga adapter or a component to vga transcoder. You would then run 720p or 1080i directly into the 500. Moome, Dtrovision? and a french? guy all sell hdcp strippers. You can find the Dtrovision hdcp (first production run only) here and on ebay. A transcoder can be found for less.

I can't use my DVI to VGA converter (like I always did for upscaling DVD / Dishnet HD receiver) because the Toshiba won't recognize the converter as an HDMI input.

Which DVI to VGA is this?

So I am trying to figure out what type of scaler, if any, I can buy to enablethe Toshiba to work with my projector.

Well, you could buy an expensive scaler, or just buy Kim's tcoder and run it component:
http://www.crescendo-systems.com/rev_transcoder.html

Dave

So long as you run native you can use a Dwin Transcanner 2, which if you can find used should be pretty cheap. Now I luv my Lumagen VisionPro HDP with my Dwin HD-700, but that's likely more than you wanna spend. One of the lesseer Lumagen models, so long as it has component input, should work fine, too.

So long as you run native you can use a Dwin Transcanner 2, which if you can find used should be pretty cheap. Now I luv my Lumagen VisionPro HDP with my Dwin HD-700, but that's likely more than you wanna spend. One of the lesseer Lumagen models, so long as it has component input, should work fine, too.

The only lesser model than the HDP which takes HD component input and transcodes it is the Vision DVI which is still about 7 times as much as Kim's if you are only going to use if for transcoding.

Dave

So long as you run native you can use a Dwin Transcanner 2, which if you can find used should be pretty cheap. Now I luv my Lumagen VisionPro HDP with my Dwin HD-700, but that's likely more than you wanna spend. One of the lesseer Lumagen models, so long as it has component input, should work fine, too.


Thanks for everyone's input. A transcanner 2 sounds like a good bet, if it will accomplish my needs. There is a transvision 3 on ebay for $799, but it only has DVI output. I need a scaler that has BNC outputs for my projector and also has a DVI / HDMI input. Is the Transcanner 2 what I need? If so, where are some places to find a used one? I keep searching ebay but haven't seen any.

Thanks again for the help.

Thanks for everyone's input. A transcanner 2 sounds like a good bet, if it will accomplish my needs. There is a transvision 3 on ebay for $799, but it only has DVI output. I need a scaler that has BNC outputs for my projector and also has a DVI / HDMI input. Is the Transcanner 2 what I need? If so, where are some places to find a used one? I keep searching ebay but haven't seen any.

Thanks again for the help.

Woops. The Transcanner 2 does not do DVI or HDMI. Frankly, with a CRT projector like our Dwins, my experience is you will get a better picture with no HDMI problems using component, anyway.

Woops. The Transcanner 2 does not do DVI or HDMI. Frankly, with a CRT projector like our Dwins, my experience is you will get a better picture with no HDMI problems using component, anyway.


Yes, but my problem is that I can't use a hi-def signal through component since the scaler will try to scale the image. Or am I wrong in this assumption? When I had the LD-5 line doubler I tried using an upconverted image through component and it garbled the picture. Is there a way to use an HD-DVD player through component and treat the input like a pass-through?

I had a Transcanner 2 for 3+ years. I recall that it auto senses whether the signal was
720p or 1080i, in which case it passed the signal through without processing; and if the signal was 480i, it applied scaling to the signal.

It sounds like you will need either an hdcp stripper -->vga adapter or a component to vga transcoder. You would then run 720p or 1080i directly into the 500. Moome, Dtrovision? and a french? guy all sell hdcp strippers. You can find the Dtrovision hdcp (first production run only) here and on ebay. A transcoder can be found for less.


Not to sure what these items are. I have a DVI to VGA converter that I once used to adapt my up-converting DVD player to the projector through the RGBS pass-through. The Toshiba won't work this way, however, as it failed to recognize the converter. Of course, I had an HDMI to DVI adapter before the converter - so I was going HDMI out, DVI adapter, DVI to RGB converter, then into the scaler's RGBS by-pass. I guess that was just too much for the Toshiba to handle.

I currently have the A1 HD-DVD player hooked up to my 50" LCD TV through the HDMI - DVI adapter (my Sony TV only has a DVI input or component), but I would love to move it or get another unit for my home theater room. I just need to get the least expensive method to enable the unit to work with my projector.

I had a Transcanner 2 for 3+ years. I recall that it auto senses whether the signal was
720p or 1080i, in which case it passed the signal through without processing; and if the signal was 480i, it applied scaling to the signal.


That would be absolutely ideal if true. Where can I verify that? And more importantly, where do you suggest I search for a used unit for sale?

Thanks again to everyone trying to help me with this problem. I'm not that savvy in these technical areas.

Verified that the info you stated is accurate. Any suggestions where I can find a used Dwin transcanner 2?

Try audiogon.

It gets to a certain point where an xbox 360 hd dvd with vga output is cheaper than these super expensive scalers :(

Wont the Tosh HD-DVD limit component output to 480P? As I understand it, the only way to get ture HDTV res is to use the HDMI port, but that port wont talk to a CRT display. Im facing the same issue.

I think the xbox 360 with HD dvd player may be the answer?!

The Toshiba will output HDDVD's at 1080i via component but will only scale SD DVD's to 1080i via HDMI . If you want to scale SD to 1080i Moome's component to HDMI converter should do the trick but if don't care about SD and just want to send HDDVD's to the projector at 1080l use one of these .

http://www.crescendo-systems.com/rev_transcoder.html

In my case, I have a DVDO VP50, hooked R G B H V to my CRT projector (massive Hughes/jvc 360 @>6000 lumens max!). Id like to go full digital signal path as far as I can go, but if the quality of HD DVD is at 1080i over componet for HD movies, that should be a very nice source fo my DVDO to up scale to 1080p/60.

Do you know if it will deliver 480i over Y Pb Pr for SD dvd's? If so. that would be ideal for the VP50, as it perfers a 480i digital signal for SD stuff.

Id love to go HDMI digital video to the VP50, but wihtout a DHCP comptabile display device, Im not sure what my best options are.

Im kinda waiting to see how much a SD/HD SDI card for the VP50 will cost, and if the HDDVD or BLURAY can be SDI moded for both HD and SD disks.

For now tho, if 480i for SD over componet and 1080i for HD DVD over component will fly perfect with my VP50.

I will post a link to my AVS posting about my JVC projector where you can see photos.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8755434&&#post8755434

The correct link to the web site is:

http://bbs.flagnet.org

I have Steve's old Transcanner 2 which I bought from him a few years ago
(on this forum) I can't remember the price, I will look it up, but I think it was
between 1 and 1 1/2.
I now have the upgrade bug
tor
in Seattle

Unfortunately the market for the Dwin Transcanner 2 ain't much and although I sold it for $1200 more than 3 years ago, it ain't worth near that now. It is 2000 technology.

I'm glad to see Steve confirmed my recollection re price. IMHO TS2 and HDD500
really were/are meant for each other, which is why I briefly offered up my pair
at about 1/3 of the price that I paid for the package a few years ago.

After reading these posts last night, I became motivated and did 2 things -- researched market for TS2 and comparable products and found 2 items of possible interest on Videogon, a Faruodja NRS for 850 -- very similar all around for about 850, only problem is that it only has one set of component inputs (item number 1167101824) and one Transcanner 1 (one, not two) for 300 (item number 1167077318)

The other thing I did was "hit the basement" to see what I could do to improve my somewhat erratic and annoying PQ. Good news was that I managed to sharpen up the image from XBOX 360 considerably, by fiddling with the line output adjustment, raising it to the max of 1050 -- which really confused me, because I thought that the TS2 was only passing through the HD signal from the XBOX and that the only things I could adjust were brightness/contrast. Apparantly not so.

Other thing part 2 was to improve the picture from DVD player, after some reading here I thought I would try to use my DVD player's regular interlaced signal and use the TS2 to de-interlace/scale rather than feeding it the progressive signal. WOW! Big improvement.

So, to make a long story short I'm now less inclined to go for an impulsive upgrade and will instead pursue proper settings/calibration etc which are so important. The other thing I need to do is to try to move the XBOX away from
the rest of the equipment -- it gives off a ridiculous amount of heat -- can't be
good for all the other stuff.

thanks
tor

The TS2 only adjusts brightness and contrast for 1080i, 720p or 480p video input and that's a fact and my own experience. Its scales 480i NTSC and nothing else.

With so many newer model scalers out there its just not worth much and hardly ever sold. It does have nice # of various inputs and works nicely if someone just needs HD pass through and 480i scaling.

Its a good match for a Dwin projector - though I just luv my Lumagen
VisionPro HDP but it does much more and costs much more.

Thanks for the help folks. But I have been unable to find any Transcanner 2's available. I've checked ebay for months now, and have routinely done searches for one on the net. I have even contacted Dwin dealers throughout the country with no luck. So if anyone knows of any for sale, please drop me a PM or post in this thread. I appreciate the help.

Thanks for the help folks. But I have been unable to find any Transcanner 2's available. I've checked ebay for months now, and have routinely done searches for one on the net. I have even contacted Dwin dealers throughout the country with no luck. So if anyone knows of any for sale, please drop me a PM or post in this thread. I appreciate the help.

Hello,

We have a transcanner 2 for sale. The transcanner 2 has a lot of the same processing characteristics of the old snell and wilcox units. 1200.00 seems to cheap as there are a ton of dwin 500 units and even some 700 units if they have not dropped there power supply :) that need to be upgraded, the transvision 3 is not the same and they seem to sell very cheap on ebay. I would sell you our transcanner 2 for 2000.00 shipped with a 30 day waranty for you to set up and make sure it is what you are after. The unit is near new and used on our old demo system.

BTW the T2 will do what you are after.

Thanks,

Tyler

Hello,

We have a transcanner 2 for sale. The transcanner 2 has a lot of the same processing characteristics of the old snell and wilcox units. 1200.00 seems to cheap as there are a ton of dwin 500 units and even some 700 units if they have not dropped there power supply :) that need to be upgraded, the transvision 3 is not the same and they seem to sell very cheap on ebay. I would sell you our transcanner 2 for 2000.00 shipped with a 30 day waranty for you to set up and make sure it is what you are after. The unit is near new and used on our old demo system.

BTW the T2 will do what you are after.

Thanks,

Tyler

HaHa! What a deal! :eek:

Well it is new, we are willing to let him demo it and we are shipping it. Plus go out and find one. Sounds pretty fair to me.

Tyler

No it is not fair. Forget that and get any of the newer scalers that are more capable off ebay for less.

The original poster of this thread should create a new post in the scaler forum to get reccomendations. There are many models that will do everything you need available well under 2k used and on ebay all the time. For that amount of money you can do a lot better than the transcanner. The TS would be worth around $500 at best.

Troy

No it is not fair. Forget that and get any of the newer scalers that are more capable off ebay for less.

The original poster of this thread should create a new post in the scaler forum to get reccomendations. There are many models that will do everything you need available well under 2k used and on ebay all the time. For that amount of money you can do a lot better than the transcanner. The TS would be worth around $500 at best.

Troy
I would be interested in this as well. I am currently working on 7 theater jobs that need revamping. Most of these are the G90 and Dwin set ups using the Transcanner. I have been unsuccesful in finding a quality solution. Keep in mind I can not buy off ebay and resale; or at least I will not.

Thanks,

Tyler

I sold my Transcanner 2 for $1200 3+ years ago and I was lucky to get that. With all the better scalers since and now for sale used, paying more than $700 - $800 for it in my opinion is no bargain.

Transcanners are dirt cheep now on that Bay place but I wouldnt waste time with one. Go with something like the new VP30 or VP 50 from Anchor Bay ( DVDO )

I just bought a left over old stock HD+ from my rep for a good price concidering what they retailed for.

The Lumigens are nice but I installed a Vision Pro a while ago and although it worked beautifully I really didnt like the way you have to connect to it. It uses all BNC connectors for comonent input and even S Video inputs and you have to use the breakout cables they supply. Too many connections in the input chain that other scalers dont require.

Ive been using the Anchor Bay units and not only do they work great, they are easy to hook up,look nice and have a very good menu system with a ton of adjustments!

Not if you get the proper BNC terminated cables in the first place.

Steve WTF are you talking about..I said it comes with the connection cables.....Yea I know your gonna say there not not true 75 ohm, thats not my point.

Besides this isnt a thread aout scalers so I dont want to derail this any more then it already is.

Vic, 75 ohm BNC connections are the best. Do you disagree? It ain't so hard to get good 75 ohm BNC cables for a good price. All things equal, a scaler/processor with BNCs will give better picture quality than if it has RCAs. Do you disagree?

No I totally agree BNC is the best connection and 75 Ohm is the Video standard in this industry for the last 40 years.

It just seems you have to point out that namly the DWIN didnt use 75 ohm cable internally andn the MINI cable "I" use isnt true 75 ohm and if I didnt spend a fortune on my equipemnt then it problaby aint true 75 ohm. Thats just not the fact!

Most AV equipment uses connectors and cables suitable for a very pleasing viewing experiance. I just dont like how you have to hook up to a Lumingen weather you have real 75 ohm meter tesed cables or not. Its more connections in a video chain then it needs to be. (makes the connection point longer then it needs to be )

Certain video signals will not look any better if its run with an RCA jack or a BNC or an Svideo connector if they all use 75 ohm connections. I do beleive hi end prrojectors should only have BNC inputs and not an HD-15 for RGB input as well as a scaler should have BNC's for its out puts Vs the HD-15 type outputs.

I also dont think its Necessary to have to use nothing but cabling made by Granite Audio to get a good picture and sound! Thats another story. I just got an education about them reading the Fish Story....Now I understand everything