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kmillard92
10-27-06, 07:54 PM
Hey everyone, (It's my first post so sorry if I break any rules)

My friend is very wealthy. (Lucky guy!) He's in the market for a ney TV, and wants the best money can buy. Here's some restrictions...



less than $10,000 ( I know that this is the <$25,000 forum, but you guys would probably know better than the regular users)



less than 60"


Thanks!
-Kenny

QQQ
10-28-06, 12:09 AM
Mr friend said to tell your friend that he'll likely get better answers if you post this question in the plasma TV and perhaps rear projection TV forums. He said that it's a mistake to assume that people in this forum know more about TV's.

p.s. My friend also asked to have your friend get his story straight - if your friend has a 10K limit, than he does not want the best that money can buy, he wants the best that 10K can buy ;) :).

Adz523
10-28-06, 07:19 AM
Hey everyone, (It's my first post so sorry if I break any rules)

My friend is very wealthy. (Lucky guy!) He's in the market for a ney TV, and wants the best money can buy. Here's some restrictions...



less than $10,000 ( I know that this is the <$25,000 forum, but you guys would probably know better than the regular users)



less than 60"


Thanks!
-Kenny



The new Pioneer Elite 1080p Plasma is one to consider on that list.

FrantzM
10-28-06, 09:34 PM
The new Pioneer Elite 1080p Plasma is one to consider on that list.

I support that motion .. I have not yet seen a better Plasma

JohnDW
10-29-06, 11:23 PM
perhaps you haven't seen the latest 9tyh generation Panasonic plasmas , the TH-65PX600u and its 103" brethren - both 1080p ?

CINERAMAX
10-30-06, 09:04 AM
I support that motion .. I have not yet seen a better Plasma

You have not seen the Fujitsu AVIAMOs 50 & 65. It is to die.

LMCid
10-30-06, 05:06 PM
Mr friend said to tell your friend that he'll likely get better answers if you post this question in the plasma TV and perhaps rear projection TV forums. He said that it's a mistake to assume that people in this forum know more about TV's.

p.s. My friend also asked to have your friend get his story straight - if your friend has a 10K limit, than he does not want the best that money can buy, he wants the best that 10K can buy ;) :).

Just wanted to quote what I consider to be an excelent response. Somehow you were able to express (much better than I could) my feelings when I read the original post.

Regards to all

PS: CINERAMAX, I think I still owe you a picture of the place in Torrimar where Home Theater was originally created... Do you still remember the address?

Free
10-30-06, 06:13 PM
I put in my vote for the Mitsubishi Diamond line RPTV. Convince him to go with the 65", and get the WD65831.

It is the best image, I have seen, of any display, and I have 4 Plasma's including Panasonic, Pioneer and Fujitsu, as well as a 3Chip 720p projector and a 1080p single chip projector.

It is not only the best bang for the buck, but has a spectacular image. If you don't need the slim profile of a plasma, I would go with the Mitsubishi, and if he doesn't have room for the 65" version, they make a smaller one.

CINERAMAX
10-30-06, 07:12 PM
PS: CINERAMAX, I think I still owe you a picture of the place in Torrimar where Home Theater was originally created... Do you still remember the address?

Hi LMCid: 8-9 Ram. de are., was looking for it just the other day on google earth , id be the left window. Happy pilgrimage! :D

Adz523
10-30-06, 08:24 PM
These all great choices. I'd still go with the Elite 1080p - its the first Plasma I've seen that looks 3D like with a hi-def cable feed.

LMCid
10-30-06, 09:21 PM
Hi LMCid: 8-9 Ram. de are., was looking for it just the other day on google earth , id be the left window. Happy pilgrimage! :D

I will bring some candles along with my Nikon, the map sure helps however I am confused about the 8-9???... Do I need to find and follow a new star in the sky? Do you mean 89???

CINERAMAX
10-30-06, 09:36 PM
LOL!

Ramirez de arellano 8-9 is de number. Regards.

daed1
11-04-06, 12:43 PM
Hey everyone, (It's my first post so sorry if I break any rules)

My friend is very wealthy. (Lucky guy!) He's in the market for a ney TV, and wants the best money can buy. Here's some restrictions...



less than $10,000 ( I know that this is the <$25,000 forum, but you guys would probably know better than the regular users)



less than 60"


Thanks!
-Kenny

the best tv money can buy for under $10000? are you joking?

seriously, though, the best for that price and size range (assuming he wants a plasma- my personal choice for less than 60) would be the 1080 PE

hust
11-04-06, 12:52 PM
You have not seen the Fujitsu AVIAMOs 50 & 65. It is to die.

i agree

Pete
11-05-06, 03:16 PM
One more for the short list and, it would appear, the only LCD candidate listed so far...

Syntax-Olevia 747i: HQV Realta processing, D6500 calibration out of the box, multiple HDMI ins, Dual Combo Tuners, RS232, Detachable Speakers, and Discrete IR.

CINERAMAX
11-05-06, 05:07 PM
Sorry Peter but no lcd should be allowed, unless of course it is LED backlit. The colorimetry problem with LCD discualifies it for me, even the AVIAMO 37 is not worth it.

Pete
11-05-06, 06:43 PM
A number of CEDIA goers that saw the Olevia 747i said it looked like a Plasma -- good contrast, excellent color. 1080p LCD at its best is now real competition for Plasma ...which is why it is gaining in market share.

CINERAMAX
11-05-06, 06:48 PM
No LCD except the LED backlits will compete with the image of the Fujitsu AVIAMO, it is a physical impossibility. A number of CEDIA attendees also liked the PEARL, go figure.

QQQ
11-05-06, 07:01 PM
A number of CEDIA goers that saw the Olevia 747i said it looked like a Plasma -- good contrast, excellent color. 1080p LCD at its best is now real competition for Plasma ...which is why it is gaining in market share.
If you enter a market you previously owned 0% of, it's hard not to be gaining in market share :). LCD has made some very real strides in the last few years. I am not convinvced it can compete with plasma yet, comparing apples to apples (same resolution to same resolution), at least I have not see one yet that can, but we shall see. In fairness, I have not seen the model you mention.

FrantzM
11-05-06, 11:44 PM
Hi

I have not yet seen the Fujitsu sets, Peter (CINERAMAX) mentioned but IMHO, the Elite PR)-1-FHD is one of the best display I have seen and this out of the box....

eric.exe
11-06-06, 12:37 AM
Hi

I have not yet seen the Fujitsu sets, Peter (CINERAMAX) mentioned but IMHO, the Elite PR)-1-FHD is one of the best display I have seen and this out of the box....

It comes pre-ISF calibrated.

els
11-06-06, 03:47 AM
i received my mitsubishi diamond wd-73831 yesterday, and i am quite impressed. after turning the contrast down, and doing my personal calibration effort, the picture is stunning. i have also seen the 65 inch model. this model accepts 1080p at the hdmi inputs. i am looking forward to getting a 100+ hours on the unit so that i can get it calibrated with an isf tech.

i cannot say best, because this is always in the eye of the beholder.

oztech
11-06-06, 02:21 PM
The new Pioneer Elite 1080p Plasma is one to consider on that list.
best i have seen so far.

Pete
11-07-06, 06:29 PM
If you enter a market you previously owned 0% of, it's hard not to be gaining in market share :). LCD has made some very real strides in the last few years. I am not convinvced it can compete with plasma yet, comparing apples to apples (same resolution to same resolution), at least I have not see one yet that can, but we shall see. In fairness, I have not seen the model you mention.

The model I mentioned received Perfect Vision Editors' Choice, so it must have some merit. When I was talking about LCD gaining in market share, I was alluding to the fact that the technology now outsells plasma and is pulling away. With the exception of a few high-end offerings, Plasma is rapidly becoming the stuff of entry-level week-end circulars. I don't want to dredge up the old debate about which technology is better. I'm just saying that there are some noteworthy high-performance LCD products that are worthy of consideration, the 747i being one.

Alimentall
11-07-06, 11:39 PM
A number of CEDIA goers that saw the Olevia 747i said it looked like a Plasma -- good contrast, excellent color. 1080p LCD at its best is now real competition for Plasma ...which is why it is gaining in market share.

I wanted to like the Olevia, but didn't. No matter the source, it looked little better than a typical LCD and had lots of artifacting that really surprised me. The less expensive NuVision LCDs looked better to me, no competition. I was looking to pick up Olevia, but ended up becoming a NuVision dealer instead. That being said, they're still budget TVs and the Sim2 was clearly the best LCD I saw at CEDIA (not claiming I saw everything, however). I stared at it for a good 15 minutes trying to figure out whether it was LCD or plasma and finally had to ask. I usually have no problem telling one from the other.

Pete
11-08-06, 05:12 PM
John,

If you based your judgement on the Olevia 747i that was on display at the Olevia booth, I agree with your assessment. There was, however, a 747i that was properly set up at their national distributor's booth (TAG), and that is the one that had an arresting plasma-like picture. I also heard that it soundly trounced a comparabe Sony at an evening shoot-out -- I think it was a Silicon Optics event.

Alimentall
11-08-06, 05:17 PM
Yep, it was at the Olevia booth. Off air and Blu-ray both looked fairly bad. But then, with most of this stuff, it's simply the associated gear, so I don't want to smear them. I just was very surprised by this. I mean, how could they not know it looked bad? Sim2's display was excellent.

QQQ
11-08-06, 11:06 PM
The model I mentioned received Perfect Vision Editors' Choice, so it must have some merit. When I was talking about LCD gaining in market share, I was alluding to the fact that the technology now outsells plasma and is pulling away. With the exception of a few high-end offerings, Plasma is rapidly becoming the stuff of entry-level week-end circulars. I don't want to dredge up the old debate about which technology is better. I'm just saying that there are some noteworthy high-performance LCD products that are worthy of consideration, the 747i being one.
The technology has always outsold plasmas because it comes in all sizes from 13" and up. Plasma is the 42" market and up. 42" and up (FLAT panels ONLY) I don't believe LCD outsells plasma but if you can point me to a reference that says otherwise I'd like to read it.

FrantzM
11-09-06, 01:28 AM
Hi

We should not shy away from debate of which Technology is better. At this point in time plasma is better. The best LCD almost "look" like plasma they are not yet as good as the best plasmas... I promise I will look at the Fujitsu AVIAMO but aren't they over 10 K.. The original post mentioned a MSRP <= 10 K...

I was not a fan of plasma until recently when I started noticing plasmas doing certain things other technologies would not. For example I am not sure any other display technology reproduces bright scenes with the realism of plasma and No! It is not just a function of the sheer amount of foot-lamberts...

QQQ
11-09-06, 02:46 AM
For example I am not sure any other display technology reproduces bright scenes with the realism of plasma and No! It is not just a function of the sheer amount of foot-lamberts...
Is it a secret?

hitssquad
11-09-06, 06:20 AM
this is the <$25,000 forumNo, this is the >$19,999 forum.

lastxbr960
11-09-06, 06:35 AM
I would say one of the new pioneer/panasonic plasmas (1080P), along with a Sony xbr960 tube set (arguably among the best black levels/color accuracy/saturation) if you can still find one, it has one of the best HD and SD images I have seen and both can be had for under $10000 street.

This way you have perhaps the best Consumer CRT Picture ever under $10 grand (some would say best display)
and The best Consumer Plasma Picture ever under $10 grand
(some would say best display)
with viewing angles, contrast, response time, 3d clarity and color accuracy that leaves LCD (non led) and most other technology behind.
Then when SED comes out, you can ask this question again, lol :D

Then get them both ISF calibrated ( a must!), and a good sound system.

Then feed it An Full HD diet like a HDDVD/Blueray player-HD Cab/Sat with an HDDVR or Tivo Series3 and a DVHS for archiving till hddvd and blueray recorders come out.

SD/ED will look good too. :)

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6661274-1.html?tag=cnetfd.mt
good luck

Pete
11-09-06, 10:23 AM
The technology has always outsold plasmas because it comes in all sizes from 13" and up. Plasma is the 42" market and up. 42" and up (FLAT panels ONLY) I don't believe LCD outsells plasma but if you can point me to a reference that says otherwise I'd like to read it.

Even larger size plasmas are predicted to be overtaken by LCD. Sony and Toshiba are dropping plasma in favor of LCD.

http://www.cepro.com/magazine/article/16289.html

R Harkness
11-09-06, 01:17 PM
Even larger size plasmas are predicted to be overtaken by LCD. Sony and Toshiba are dropping plasma in favor of LCD.

http://www.cepro.com/magazine/article/16289.html

Sony and Toshiba were never really in the plasma game like the main plasma manufacturers, e.g. Matsushita, Pioneer, LG, etc. Sony came to the game late, and never really developed it's own plasma manufacturing plants, having to use other people's designs, and never really being able to compete with companies like Matshushita in the plasma market. Instead, Sony decided to concentrate on building it's own LCDs to compete, and it's hardly surprising to see Sony hail LCD as the future, from a company that was always behind in plasma, couldn't compete, and has put it's eggs in another basket.

BTW, that article says neither technology, plasma or lcd, need fear it's future, or slumping sales.

QQQ
11-09-06, 04:32 PM
Even larger size plasmas are predicted to be overtaken by LCD. Sony and Toshiba are dropping plasma in favor of LCD.

http://www.cepro.com/magazine/article/16289.html
Yes, the LCD industry has been predicting that for years now. Maybe it will happen.

CINERAMAX
11-22-06, 04:12 PM
Yes, the LCD industry has been predicting that for years now. Maybe it will happen.

How about this prediction?

" the market will leave SONY behind for it's refusal to ADHERE to HIGH MTF display devices (ie. single chip plasma, 3 chip dlp)."

jScottmsc
12-01-06, 06:27 PM
How about this prediction?

" the market will leave SONY behind for it's refusal to ADHERE to HIGH MTF display devices (ie. single chip plasma, 3 chip dlp)."


Single Chip Plasma???

<$10k <60" I would go with
Pioneer PRO-FHD1 Elite® 50'' 1080p PureVision® Plasma Monitor

CINERAMAX
12-01-06, 06:51 PM
YES SINGLE CHIP PLASMA. And the fact that you are not aware of how this fujitsu exclusive operates is the reason for your recommendation, because if you knew you'd be talking Fujitsu. It is a very clever implementation of a powerful serial microprocessor. By working within a single 60 hz cycle (subfield domain) rather than other plasmas who operate across a 60 hz cycle they are able to do random access control functions for the plasma mechanics of pulse and discharge, this is done in conjunction with the scaler functions accessing processing steps as randomly as optimumly necessary. This gives the Fujitsu (and to a much smaller extent some hitachis which shared IP with Fujitsu) unprcednted control of the phophor pulse and discharge pulses, this yields a very linear colorimetry and the punch and 3 dimensionality that makes Fujitsu what it is. If you do not believe me see the AVIAMO.

CINERAMAX
12-01-06, 06:53 PM
This is taught in class by Trainer Dave who hangs out here.

FrantzM
12-01-06, 08:17 PM
Hi

CINERAMAX has me really interested in the Fujitsu.. I acquired one, a year or so, not the AVIAMO. My Fujitsu is a very good Plasma but, ,but.... I have seen the Pioneer again and damn!!!!! This is one hell of a display, one of the best displays I have seen in a long while... I am ready to pull the trigger on it.. I will however try to view the Fujitsu AVIAM0 50" and see what it gives .. for now the Pioneer PRO FHD1 is at the top of my list...

CINERAMAX
12-01-06, 08:29 PM
Go to CES Frantz, the aviamo is much more 3-d. 50 is a small constraint in which to pack 1920 x 1080 pixels. The pioneer is soft in comparison to the aviamo.

chrislee
12-03-06, 03:33 PM
I'm thinking up getting a new 1080p plasma for Xmas. About a budget of, 10k, but it's replacing a 55" Pioneer HD555? RPTV. I need the room to get the tv on the wall for better sondstaging and depth from my 2 ch. audio. So I'd like to get a 65" plasma if possible.

I see the Fujitsu Aviamo raised alot of hairs, but the 65" isn't even avail, and it's 20k! Next down is the Pioneer PRO-FHD1 Elite® 50'' 1080p PureVision® Plasma Monitor, but it's only 50"/smaller than what I have, and is $8k. But it's 1080p with 1920 x 1080p Native Resolution)

The other Pioneeer elites arent' 1080p / High Definition Resolution (1365 x 768) Pioneer PRO1540HD Plasma HDTV TV 61" Flat Panel Elite Plasma TV Display for about $7.5k, or the Pioneeer Elite 6070hd for $6.5k? ( I dont need/want the built in tuners in the 6070HD as I have a HDTivo unit) But what't the use of upgrading to a non 1080p set??


Any other options for a great set that's 60-65"s large, 1080p 1920x1080p?

Thanks so much,
Chris

sorry for the changes, I hadn't realized the non 1080p of the two other Pioneer elites.

CINERAMAX
12-03-06, 04:19 PM
If you are going to look at the wxga models like the pioneer elites, then why not a Fujitsu 63" they list for 13k and are phenomenal. I just don't see getting a non Fujitsu plasma.

chrislee
12-03-06, 04:38 PM
Nice set Cineramax, but it has only one HDMI, I need two for HDTivo and Buray/HDDVD eventually.

CINERAMAX
12-03-06, 05:36 PM
You will need more than two eventually. That can be switched externally. This is the MOST 3-D wxga plasma out there I think the contrast ratio may have to do with it.

ddingle
12-03-06, 06:22 PM
We have been using NEC plasmas augmented by a Lumagen processor. After calibration I felt we the combination was tough to beat.
I am contemplating doing the same thing with the new Sony LCD 52" sets. We are just getting our first sample of the XBR next week. Add an HDP Lumagen and calibrate might make things interesting. Anyone had a chance to get a critical look at the new Sony's?
The new Elite is awesome,but not having to warn customers about "burn in" would be a relief!

Alimentall
12-03-06, 07:20 PM
I'm thinking up getting a new 1080p plasma for Xmas. About a budget of, 10k, but it's replacing a 55" Pioneer HD555? RPTV. I need the room to get the tv on the wall for better sondstaging and depth from my 2 ch. audio. So I'd like to get a 65" plasma if possible.


Ummmm, front projection?!? WAY better and bigger picture and for that price? It would be foolish to do anything else. The best plasmas are still mediocre compared to a PJ.

chrislee
12-04-06, 12:47 PM
Cineramax...switchers huh? Didin't know that. Sorry, but can you explain "MOST 3-D wxga " means to me? Not familiar with the term....Sorry to show my ignorance. ;)

Here's my viewing experience from yesterday shopping at Magnolias. Wow, firstoff, the Pioneer Pro FHD-1 is the most incred. set I've seen. Great resolution, and fantastic depth. The Panny TH-65PX600U was also really impressive considering it's size. My partner and I both agree, (looking thru a dvd shot in progress, thru the blu ray players into both the Pioneer and the Panny for an appx. fairness), that the Panny is a great set, and is about 85-90%...closer to 90% of the perfomance of the Pioneer. Not quiet the cleanliness of the pic, nor the depth perception. But darn, it's/the Panny is still a great set and I think I'm going to try to swing it at $9725 now. I know I can buy it $1500 or so less online...but I'm a bit scared to do that..you guys agree?

Anyway, Thanks for the heads up on both sets. We both agreed here, had Pioneer made this same set in a 65" model, we would've paid the difference...couldn't be much more than the price of the Panny. But we can't sit at the recommended 6ft distance for the Pioneer. But I don't think we'll be disappointed if we can get the Panny TH-65PX600U for $10Kish.

But if that 'wxga' is what's in the $13k Fujitsu 63", then I'll really need to redo the budget to see it the dollars are there or not...hehehe

Thanks again for the help and I hope this is also useful to Kenny as well.

Chris

Michael Grant
12-04-06, 01:47 PM
Ummmm, front projection?!? WAY better and bigger picture and for that price? It would be foolish to do anything else. The best plasmas are still mediocre compared to a PJ.True 'nuf, but it does place some demands on the room to get the best results. (i.e., light control)...

DanFrancis
12-04-06, 04:48 PM
Not necessarily-

If you're willing to make a slight compromise in picture quality (brightness uniformity, narrower viewing cone)- then DNP's Supernova screen actually does a pretty bang-up job in the fp vs plasma battle. Couple a Supernova with one of the newer 1080P projectors and you've got yourself quite the little video system- with upgradablilty, and nowhere near the cost of rear projection.

Dan

chrislee
12-04-06, 05:13 PM
Dan, our room is 12'x13'x9'H, is this too small to setup a fp and screen? What projector are the good ones in this price range? I also never wanted to deal with any fan noise. Nice to be educated at least about all my options. And Thanks.

Chris

DanFrancis
12-04-06, 05:54 PM
Those dimensions are fine for a screen in the 6-7 foot wide range (1.78:1). As far as good projectors are concerned; that's like asking what's a good car- you'll get as many answers as people you ask. It really depends on the budget. If you wanted to do a screen/projector for roughly the same money as a 61-63" plasma, then you're looking at a projector that tops out at $4k (the 84" Supernova has an MSRP of about 2400 with a black frame). In that price category: I'd have to say that you're looking at the Sony VPL-VW50 for 1080P, or perhaps either the Runco CL-420 or Samsung SP-H710AE for a 720P projector. All 3 of those are either listing, or streeting for around 4k.

BUT, if you have more to spend- then I'd say stick to Runco's Ultra line for better/more lens options (CL-810 Ultra for 720P, RS-1100 Ultra for 1080P). And, if you choose to go with their Cinewide option- you may even be able to get a DNP dealer to have a custom 2.35:1 Supernova made for you (at which point, it looks like you have the world's first cinemascope plasma).

There's lots of options out there for you....the hardest part is going to be finding the right dealer/installer to work with. CEDIA registered and certified companies are a good place to start, ask your friends whose done their work, and go see a company's installs if you can before you actually sign a check for their labor.

The products are easy to find/buy. Having those products installed well, and installed properly (not necessarily the same thing) is the true challenge.

Dan

PS- I've set-up several projection systems in rooms with close to those dimensions; most of the homes in my area are 80+ years old/historic district homes....all our rooms are that size practically :D

Michael Grant
12-04-06, 06:48 PM
Dan, I'm glad to hear that about the DNP Supernova. I will have to look at that option intently for my future home, as the dedicated home theater room is no longer, um, dedicated :) I hope you'll share more of your thoughts with the Flex model in particular (on the Screens forum of course) as you get experience with it.

Still, the subject of this thread is "The best TV money can buy..." Are the compromises one must endure even with the Supernova small enough to warrant its inclusion here? I mean, I honestly don't have the experience with these new screens, so all I know is what ambient does to my StudioTek + 720p DLP setup---and my case it makes me glad to have a plasma for backup.

DanFrancis
12-04-06, 08:50 PM
Well, that's where the prioriies of the individual (and the specific room design) come into play.

The major caveat of the Supernova route in my mind is the vastly smaller viewing cone as compared to an emissive display (somewhere on the order of 1/3rd the viewing angle)- this issue manifests itself as a lack of brightness uniformity as you move away from perpendicular to the screen. That can be a major issue in most "non--dedicated" rooms.

I'm not pushing the Supernova; in my mind it's just another tool that can be used for particuar scenarios, just like I consider the Screen Research screens a tool for particular applications- not a one size fits all. Front projection was mentioned, so I just brought up one particular way that could be implemented instead of an emissive display. It could be that the correct display for the OPs situation is actually a large RPTV of either the LCOS or DLP ilk.

I looked at the flex at CEDIA, and took a couple pictures- so if you're interested, PM me and I can forward them to you, Michael.

Dan

chrislee
12-04-06, 10:08 PM
Thanks for the information Dan. I'll look into those options, but Im a bit worried as I'm retired and do watch daytime tv. But it'd be nice! ;)

Cinermax, found a local dealer selling his store demo Fujitsu p63xha40us for $9500 and it looked real good. Then showed me Ronco SP 60 model, new at $13 with intern. processor. It looked even better. Got home to do more research, and WOW...both of these are only 1080i/1366X768 for both of them! I was really surprised as the Runco bettered the Fujitsu by 15-20%, nice colors, resolution and no pixel/stairstepping in either set. Buy boy, spending that kind of money on a non 1080P? Does that make sense to anyone??

I'm pretty disappointed after my weeks research, and viewing left me with no real winner for me.

NOte: I see what WXGA is now.

Michael Grant
12-05-06, 12:09 AM
Dan, thanks for the additional info! You do indeed have a PM.

avcat
01-07-07, 12:19 AM
You have not seen the Fujitsu AVIAMOs 50 & 65. It is to die.

2nd, own it, top notch IMO.

avcat
01-07-07, 12:23 AM
Nice set Cineramax, but it has only one HDMI, I need two for HDTivo and Buray/HDDVD eventually.

You kid right? You should not be picking the best display based on how many inputs it has. A display in this price range is going to be paired to an av reciever or switcher anyway, and that will provide you with all the inputs you want.

avcat
01-07-07, 12:28 AM
Thanks for the information Dan. I'll look into those options, but Im a bit worried as I'm retired and do watch daytime tv. But it'd be nice! ;)

Cinermax, found a local dealer selling his store demo Fujitsu p63xha40us for $9500 and it looked real good. Then showed me Ronco SP 60 model, new at $13 with intern. processor. It looked even better. Got home to do more research, and WOW...both of these are only 1080i/1366X768 for both of them! I was really surprised as the Runco bettered the Fujitsu by 15-20%, nice colors, resolution and no pixel/stairstepping in either set. Buy boy, spending that kind of money on a non 1080P? Does that make sense to anyone??

I'm pretty disappointed after my weeks research, and viewing left me with no real winner for me.

NOte: I see what WXGA is now.

The p63xha40us is the *previous* generation Fuji, so it's a terrible comparison. Take a look at the latest Fuji models, and btw, I don't know the details but I know that not all of the FUjis share the same glass and are not equal. I have the 50", which is using all of the best components. I think you should check the plasma area of the forum for much more details.

Btw, the new FUjis have the AVM-II processor, I believe theone you were looking at had version one of AVM, that would explain the difference, at least off the top of my head.

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The new category of ultimate-quality flat-screen home cinema displays is a seamless blend of art and technology, as envisioned by renowned Japanese artist and designer Shigeru Uchida.







Fujitsu will feature it's line of 51-series panels, shown in both silver
and high-gloss black bezels and include a high-definition Digital
Cable Ready? tuner and the Advanced Video Movement-II (AVM-II)
Digital Video Processor, offering discriminating home theater enthusiasts the easiest and most efficient way to enjoy today's ultimate quality
video performance from all sources.



42" ED
42" HD
50" HD
55" HD
63" HD

P42VHA51WS
P42XTA51US
P50XTA51US
P55XTA51US
P63XTA51US

$2,999
$4,999
$6,499
$8,999
$13,499


P42XTA51UB
P50XTA51UB
P55XTA51UB
P63XTA51UB


$4,999
$6,499
$8,999
$13,499






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Food will be available for breakfast and lunch.
Hors d'oeuvres and cocktails will be available during the evening hours of the event.

So sit back, Relax, and Enjoy!




We look forward to seeing you at the show!

You probably need to be a Fuji dealer to get in , but there it is the AVIAMO 65", the god of plasma.

GermanMafiae
01-07-07, 01:54 AM
*Hijack*

Alright, so the OP wants the best under 10,000. What about the best period? Is it this 13000 Fujistu, or are there more lurkers out there with 20+ 30+ 40+ price tags? Any 1440p tvs yet? Due date?

CINERAMAX
01-07-07, 02:57 AM
THE BEST IS THE aviamo 65" FOR 20 GRAND. No way around it, sorry.

When the Aviamo 103" comes out, then that will be the best, but Fujitsu has an absolutely irrevocable total superiority in plasma control technology, because their processor does video processing but much more in the area of "internal housekeeping functions" in the pulse and discharge mechanics (as it sees fit on a random basis) in subfield domain (<60hz cycle) .