EDIT
12-19-08
There has been a new development. :eek:
There is now a self-extracting rar of the ISO that clocks in at only 202 MB!
Say thank you to jarrod1937 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/member.php?u=7662758). He has offered to host the file own his own bandwidth for a time.

My connection is no good right now (crappy line noise), but if someone would be kind enough to grab the rar and start a new torrent that would be great. Here is a link to jarrod1937's file: http://jarrodchristman.com/AudioTestDVDv2.exe

-The link to the old (803 MB) torrent is right here (http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3666592/AudioTestDVDv2).



Thank you swithey, 80211mdr, J. L., and blown65 for the help in getting this out there. ;)

EDIT: The FTP option is no longer available, sorry. You can go to http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download to download the free ImgBurn program to burn the iso for you though. Please skip on down to the next section, unless you just want to learn a little about FTP file transfers.

FTP-How-To (the free way)
First PM Zip(AUS) or Nada(USA), and ask to gain access to the ftp site location and pass codes. Remember to thank them. ;)
Please keep the username and password he gives you to yourself. It is a free service to you and that is the only rule. Please remember it.
Next download this program FileZilla (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=21558&package_id=15149) Pick the latest .exe
This is what it looks like.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m69/soho54/filezilla.gif
All you have to do is enter the address, username, and password you got from swithey and then hit Quickconnect.
Now the Local Site on the left is where on your computer you want the files saved to. The Remote Site is the FTP server.
First go into the ImgBurn folder to get a program (SetupImgBurn_2.1.0.0.exe)to burn the DVD .iso Click the ".." file to go back out a level, to get back to the main menu. You should now be able to move around and download whatever you choose to from the site. :D

Once you are ready to burn the .iso, start the ImgBurn program
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m69/soho54/ImgBurn.gif
It is pretty straight forward, and you should have no problems. In the Source box, click the folder icon with the magnifying glass and find the .iso you want to burn. Now just place a DVD in your burner, and click the big disk picture that lights up. That's it, you're done.

The LFE calibration is for a sub good to at least 100hz. If your sub naturally rolls-off earlier than that, you use a lower LFE xover point, you don't have LFE and sub xover points on your AVR, or you don't use it's xover bypass use the 2.0 Sub cal. Trust me.

You are a saint Soho! This will be extremely valuable in making sure my sub is set up properly.

A little more...

I'm looking at Dolby Digital 448 Kbps, 48,000 Hz, 5.1 Surround. I don't have any DTS encoders. :( Now the question is where do you want the LFE lowpass? 180, 120, 116(DTS), or 80hz? There is also a no lowpass option. I'm thinking 120hz, but it lists it as Pro/film with 80hz as consumer/DVD.

One other thing, are 5 sec sine wave tones good? Do you want them shorter or longer?

They can be on a loop with 3 sec of silence, or just repeat 3 or 4 times and then end.

What else should be on here?

Dunno about the lowpass


I'd prefer a longer sine wave..maybe 10 seconds?

I'm curious as to why you'd have the tones at -20db and the sweeps at -10db. Why not have them both at 0 or -1db? Also test tones around 10sec would be great!

One of the disks I have has sine waves at 3 different levels, 0, -5 and -10db for 30secs each. Pink noise is 60secs and it has a sweep from 1-180hz where each second equals the frequency...It's stereo though since it's an old CD and not a DVD.

Cool Soho! I think the LFE channel with no lowpass would be the most valuable. I think DD movies use a 120 Hz lowpass when recording but DVD-A and SACD don't have any standards and may not use any filter. For testing purposes, it would be good to see what your gear does with a full-range signal on the LFE channel. Most cut it off above the XO frequency you set but you never know what the various equipment mfrs are going to do.

I'm curious as to why you'd have the tones at -20db and the sweeps at -10db. Why not have them both at 0 or -1db? Also test tones around 10sec would be great! I started this as a bass management test disk only. The thought was to have all tones and PN play back at 85db with sweeps at 95db for improved lowend audibility.

10sec tones it is. Now should they loop with a 3sec pause, or just play once?

I think the LFE channel with no lowpass would be the most valuable. No lowpass it is.

a sweep from 1-180hz where each second equals the frequency I can do things like this, but I am worried about the destuction it will cause. :D

Hey Soho54. What you doing is great. I been working on somethimg like this. Then I remember this site http://www.realmofexcursion.com I downloaded alot of these and put together a test cd.

This is what I have done so far, and are available for all channels:

Sine waves- 5sec and 10sec tones with a 3sec pause. this repeats 4 times.
1-20hz in 1 hz increments 25-120hz in 5 hz increments -20db

Pink Noise- 30sec tones looped In 300-2000hz, 20-80hz, and 10-20,000hz bands -20db

Sweeps- In 10sec and 30sec-Both Forward and Reverse Individual Sweeps
10-80hz, 10-200hz, 10-20,000hz, 20-200hz, 20-20,000hz, 30-300hz -10db

I can do multi channel tests and phase inversions. What kind of stuff like that do you guys want to see?
I am going to add some 0db content for those who crave it. ;)

This is what I have done so far, and are available for all channels:

Sine waves- 5sec and 10sec tones with a 3sec pause. this repeats 4 times.
1-20hz in 1 hz increments 25-120hz in 5 hz increments -20db

Pink Noise- 30sec tones looped In 300-2000hz, 20-80hz, and 10-20,000hz bands -20db

Sweeps- In 10sec and 30sec Forward and Reverse Individual Sweeps
10-80hz, 10-200hz, 10-20,000hz, 20-200hz, 20-20,000hz, 30-300hz -10db

I can do multi channel tests and phase inversions. What kind of stuff like that do you guys want to see?


Pink noise: Mains-center, mains-suround, surround-rear, mains-rear, mains-LFE

In phase/ out of phase: Mains-center, mains-suround, surround-rear, mains-rear, mains-LFE

crackyflipside, the full calibration suite with extras. No problem. :)

It'd be cool if you could include Brittany Murphy somehow. And Pink. Yeah, that'd be a disc to have.

Jack Gilvey, Easter Eggs. No problem. :D ;)

This menu is getting to be a nightmare. :rolleyes: It's going to take a month at this rate.

I think I'm going to drop the 5 second tones, and only have the 10sec ones. Any objections? That should free up a week or so. :D

I found another sine generator for sub 10hz sweeps, but it puts an edge on the wave. I don't like it. I'll leave one on there though. ;)

Anyone have any copyright free (bass heavy) music or sound effects that can be added for giggles. I have tons of space to waste. This DVD could fit on a CD. :rolleyes:

Here is the menu system so far. This is as deep as the levels on the DVD go. The norm seems to be about 5, this is 7. The wave is playing in the last pic, at -20db. The 5.1 section will be similar.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m69/soho54/Test%20DVD/menu1.gif http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m69/soho54/Test%20DVD/menu2.gif http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m69/soho54/Test%20DVD/menu3.gif http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m69/soho54/Test%20DVD/menu4.gif http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m69/soho54/Test%20DVD/menu5.gif
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m69/soho54/Test%20DVD/menu6.gif http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m69/soho54/Test%20DVD/menu7.gif

If you need help, I have a program that can generate ANY audio you could imagine up to
192000 sample rate (stereo) 32-bit

It can also generate Pink noise, and two others I have never heard of (white noise and brown noise)

Also generate any pefect sine waves or sweeps you can imagine, but just in 2-channel.

If you need help, I have a program that can generate ANY audio you could imagine The one I am using can only do sweeps to 10hz. I have tried a few different programs that could dive below 10hz, but none of them created a perfect sine wave. I'm trying to stay with true sine waves, with out the harshness you get from the car audio forum tones. A 48000/16or 24bit/mono sweep from 1hz to 80hz over a 30sec period would be great. ;)

Pink, white, and brown noise I have covered. White noise is random with a flat spectral density, pink has a 3db/octave roll off as frequency increases, and brown rolls off at 6db/octave. White noise is that crap noise an old CRT tv made when it was showing "snow." :D

cracky I forgot to say, "Thank you for the offer and help. :) "

Sure thing, what level do you want it recorded at -20db or -30???

Anywhere between -20db and -5db. I'll adjust it in the final mix to -10db and 0db. Just make it a strong signal with no clipping, and it will do fine. Thanks.

The part that is taking up all my time is doing the menu layout. This is going to be menu driven and there is going to be around 6245 screens at last count, and I have already cut 4000 pages out for the v1.0 release. :eek: I am going for easy of use, not design. I don't know who came up with the DVD menu system, but it sucks.

I'm almost through with the 2.0 section. Once that section it is done I'll start some non-computer testing. Then when the bugs are gone I'll finnish the 5.1 section and distribute. The only problem is the wife is already starting to complain about my time on the computer, so I'm going to have to turn it down a notch.

Right On! Looking forward to it.

. The only problem is the wife is already starting to complain about my time on the computer, so I'm going to have to turn it down a notch.


Tell her this is for the greater good of humanity :D

Anyone have any copyright free (bass heavy) music or sound effects that can be added for giggles
Some, I repeat - some - of these (http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/mall/artikel.asp?ProgramID=2446&Artikel=740607) are pretty good. Others are extremely boring. The car chase is good, and there is one that explains surround sound by using a bunch of examples (like guys playing tennis in your surround channels) that is good too - I forget what the title of that one is. There is also a calibration file which can be played in DTS - useful for making sure your DTS LFE is as it should be, as some older receivers didn't properly boost the DTS LFE by 10db.

When I get home I can take a look at the ones I have and let you for sure which are the good ones. Or you can just try them all for yourself if you want. That will take some time to dl and burn them though.

almstsobur, thanks for the interest.

SteveCallas, thanks I'll check them out. :D

Ok, the 1-80hz sweep is done and I saved it as a windows PCM wav file.

PM me with your email.

Do you need any other sines?

PM sent.

There is a list somewhere in this thread of what I have done already. Please feel free to send anything you see missing.



This is being done for everyone who wants it, so if anyone can think of something they would like to see on the disk please speak up.

Sent the email a while ago I just didn't get any response.

If you need any other sines just ask me.

I just got home, and tested the wave. It was great. Perfect form, and only a little db wabble at 1-3hz. :D

Can you do logarithmic sweeps instead of linear ones?
Log sweeps from 1-60, 1-80, 1-120hz would be great.

If you can only do linear another one at 1-40hz would be great. Thanks, this really helps fill in my bottom end testing. :D

SteveCallas, these 5.1 clips seem to be a .wav rip from a digital output jack. The horror. :eek: From what I can tell they only work while playing in a DVD player hooked up to a receiver, with the appropriate decoder onboard, through a digital connection(toslink/coax) correct?

People using analog cables are out of luck, correct?

I can't find the tennis one.

FWIW, warble tones can be useful. If the warble is fast enough, they can reduce/prevent the influence of resonances in your room from affecting your readings. I've also found them helpful for doing relatively quick measurements of a broad range: since they cover a practically infinite number of frequencies between the upper and lower limits of the warble, you can take fewer readings and still feel like you've got the entire spectrum covered (or take the same number and feel like you've measured more completely).

Darin, I'm not familiar with the usage of warble tones. Care to give a primmer? ;)

I don't even remember what program I used to generate them. It's NOT NCH, because I just looked there. But basically you set a bottom frequency, an upper frequency, and a sweep rate, and it sweeps up and down between those too points at the rate you specify. Hmmmm, now that I think about it, I don't think I found a free program that could generate them, so I think I may have done them manually... a sweep down, a sweep up, insert one to the end of the other, then cut/paste it onto itself repeatedly. I dunno now, but I sure seem to have some vague memory of doing that.

Anyway, if you want to at least hear some, you can download the ones I generated here (http://home.comcast.net/~consumes/bass/test_tones.zip). They are MP3s, which may not be as "pure" as you're looking for, but at least you can play with them. I probably have the unadulterated wavs somewhere.

The tracks with the "-" in between two numbers are the warbles... the bottom number being the bottom frequency, and the upper one the top frequency. Looks like they span 1/4 octave (it's been a while since I did these). When taking measurements using single frequency tones, I used 1/12th octave spaced tones (also in that zip). But I also wanted to take some full spectrum measurements, and 1/12th oct tones would have taken forever. Using the 1/4 octave warbles go a lot faster, but since they are sweeps, they cover "every" frequency. :)

I get it. ;)
I checked them out. They are fine looking waves, no distortion at all. These are cut and pasted tracks. What spacing would you suggest for the disk?


About the "pure" thing.
MP3'ed sine waves are fine. The problem is a lot of the available digital sine generators don't factor in enough points and create a stepped wave. I find the added harmonics distracting, and anoying. They sound like some one running sine waves though a TR-808 or something. :D

I chose the generator I have becouse it produces almost perfect analog wave forms, but it only sweeps to 10hz. Actually the program isn't really a sine generator, but with a big enough hammer... I want everything on the disk to be of the same quality and tone. I don't want one sweep to be perfectly smooth and the next to sound like something from a trip hop track. :p

Everyone has there own idiosyncrasies. ;)

What spacing would you suggest for the disk?
Generally I try to get the tracks as short as possible to reduce the heat and stress on the drivers when testing at high levels... just long enough to get a good reading, which also helps to make the whole process go quickly (so the previously mentioned 10 sec preferences are a bit long for my taste ;) ). As far as spacing, I just make the pauses just long enough to be able to write down the reading... I think I've used three seconds in the past.

(so the previously mentioned 10 sec preferences are a bit long for my taste ) I wanted 3sec, but said 5sec and everyone still wanted 10sec. Where were you? ;) Also all I have is single tone tracks. None of that hurry up right it down, crap I missed one stuff. :D

As for pause time, I meant it more like how large of an octave span should each warble cover. 1/4 or 1/3 may work here.

SteveCallas, these 5.1 clips seem to be a .wav rip from a digital output jack. The horror. From what I can tell they only work while playing in a DVD player hooked up to a receiver, with the appropriate decoder onboard, through a digital connection(toslink/coax) correct?
They are legitimate DD and DTS tracks, so they will only work on a system that is able to decode a DD or DTS stream. If tried to be read as PCM, it will probably be screeching noises.

I can't find the tennis one.
I think it's the one called Pontus Enhorning Presents.

I never meant to imply they were not DD and DTS tracks. Just that they are not the actual ac3 dts tracks unprotected. They are the bit stream recorded from the digital out from a dvd player/computer. Put it in a wav editor and check it out. Audio 1's and 0's. :D

When you put it in your DVD player/computer it plays it as a PCM wave, and you have to output the stream over a digital connection. When the receiver receives the signal it sees it as a DD or DTS bit stream and decodes it as such.

These will not play through the DVD player/computer's 5.1 analog or RCA outs. This is all I was getting at. I checked it out later on last night.

This is why there will be no hi-quality soundtrack allowed over the non-secure digital outs with the new formats. Way to easy to circumvent and make perfect bit for bit copies, and anyone can do it. ;)

The "horror" bit was an MPAA joke, didn't pan out I guess. :rolleyes:

They are the bit stream recorded from the digital out from a dvd player/computer. Put it in a wav editor and check it out. Audio 1's and 0's.

When you put it in your DVD player/computer it plays it as a PCM wave, and you have to output the stream over a digital connection. When the receiver receives the signal it sees it as a DD or DTS bit stream and decodes it as such.
Ok, I gotcha.

Looking over that site kinda makes you wonder why we don't have DTS 5.1 radio broadcasts here in the US.

How can I get this!!!???????????

so where is the .iso for this?

Sorry, still a WIP. :)

can you PM me it as an attachement......or straight email me this...

I'd love to use it to set up my system

Working on the log sweeps and linear sweep, you want all these 30 seconds long?

less talk, more links to finished .iso or .mds file ;) :p :D

crackyflipside, yeah still 30sec. Unless you want something special, then just add it in. ;)

ssabripo, what no bin/cue? :D

ssabripo, what no bin/cue? :D
shhhhhhhhhh........... ;)

still trying to tweak my PC (look under e6300):
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8213/conroe1aq1.png
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52518&stc=1&d=1162492868

I dont wanna add unnecessary things unless absolutely needed :D ......... .iso or .mds will do...LOL

Just sent all the wavs you asked for. Might take a while for it to show up.

Anything else you need, just ask me!

And to echo what everyone else is saying... Hurry up! :p



Edit: I effed up the email, re-sending them individually.

Yes, all tests are available on the LFE channel.
Do you mean they are encoded in an LFE channel or that they are bass managed to the subwoofer channel. Because there is a big difference.

Do you mean they are encoded in an LFE channel or that they are bass managed to the subwoofer channel. Because there is a big difference. It means what it says. They are encoded in full Dolby Digital 5.1 (maybe EX, I haven't decided yet).

I plan on throwing up a few .ac3 waves this weekend to help tide people over. :) It will only be a sweep on each of the FR, C, and LFE channels, and maybe a few tones to keep the size manageable. :D

EDIT: Please continue to the next post. :o

I'm a little irritated this morning, sorry. Yes, all tests will be on each individual 5.1 channel. There will be full 1hz to 20,000hz sweeps on the LFE channel. That is why it is taking so long to finish. If you add in the stereo stuff, I'm having to do everything +8 times. :D

Don't sweat it too much, it'll be worth it in the end :D

Just checked the by lines on my storage space, and I would exceed my bandwidth before the weekend was up. Does anyone know a good, cheap, storage/distribution avenue? :rolleyes: This is for the waves, I have other plans fot the iso. ;)

Just checked the by lines on my storage space, and I would exceed my bandwidth before the weekend was up. Does anyone know a good, cheap, storage/distribution avenue? :rolleyes: This is for the waves, I have other plans fot the iso. ;)Dreamhost.com (http://dreamhost.com/hosting.html) with the MAX97 (http://underscorebleach.net/jotsheet/2006/01/dreamhost-promo-code-discount) promo code? Unless you are exceeding 66GB/day...

Still working on it guys. I got a little side tracked in this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=744601&page=6&pp=30) about the LFE channels true bandwidth. Some of you might find it interesting. The good thing is that I am confident the SQ of the DVD will be up to snuff now. I've learned how to tweak the programs a little more to work together better, and have ended up with about +/-.2db DD tracks (when accounting for the encoders line mode profile) when compared to the wave originals. :p

I just want to add that I'd like to get a copy of this disc when its ready. I'd be happy to mail you a SASE with a blank DVD in it - perhaps thats the best/most economical distribution system.

I'd be happy to mail you a SASE with a blank DVD in it - perhaps thats the best/most economical distribution system. That might work. ;)

I have the entire menu system up and running now. The entire 2.0 side is up and running. I have all of the 5.1 sounds ready, I just have to create a video file an hour or so long, add them to it, and then divide it up into chapters. Then throw the correct chapter numbers into the menu and wham'o done. :D

My wife is going to be out of town this weekend, so hopefully I can get a lot done. Unless my sonotube shows up tomorrow. (where is the darn devil grin? :rolleyes: )

b i t t o r r e n t is my vote. Snail mail = stone age

I agree with Caldor. BT would be great.

I am psyched to see this development going on, I would love to see the final result. One comment, though, any thoughts on making it 7.1 instead of 5.1? Just wondering if that overly complicates things.

David

Thanks for all the hard work. Can't wait to try the finished product.

I am psyched to see this development going on, I would love to see the final result. One comment, though, any thoughts on making it 7.1 instead of 5.1? Just wondering if that overly complicates things.

David

I read somewhere there is no DVDs that have REAL 7.1 audio, all the changes are done with your processor.

Now HD-DVD on the other hand, can have some ridiculous number of channels of audio (like 14 if I recall correctly)

I am psyched to see this development going on, I would love to see the final result. One comment, though, any thoughts on making it 7.1 instead of 5.1? Just wondering if that overly complicates things.

David

DVD-A is not a 7.1 format. I believe this is specifically in DVD-A. Maybe I missed something, however.

EDIT: Oh, yeah. I definitely "missed something". :(

I read somewhere there is no DVDs that have REAL 7.1 audio, all the changes are done with your processor.

Right. There is only 6.1 actually on the disc.

Also, unless it is DTS-ES Discrete, the sixth channel is encoded (matrixed) into the two surrounds of a 5.1 channel recording. DTS-ES Discrete (vs Matrix) has a sixth channel, as I understand it (which is not well).

Sorry, I've been trying to stay away from the forum during these troubled times. There is way to much ego being thrown around right now. :rolleyes:

The disk is only going to be 5.1. I have the capability to go EX (6.1 matrixed), but it is not entirely supported by my other software. Six channels are bad enough, two more and I might go insane.

Once I finish this disk, if anyone wants to donate a grand for new software I would have no problem adding the extra channels to the disk. ;) :D

Bitt0rrent, huh? Is there anywhere left that is open to everyone? I left that scene a year or so ago when you had to start joining the tracker sites. I am also not sure if this will generate the swarm necessary for decent speeds.

I'm anxiously waiting for this to be completed Soho.... just waiting to download the .iso or .mds, and I'm good to go! ;)

Usenet as an alternative

Usenet as an alternative

Yeah, newsgroups would also be great for distribution.

I would definitely agree with newsgroups or BT - I think BT would work. Most broadband connections offer 20 - 30 kbps upload speeds - these are slow for a whole DVD - but if theres ~10 people then it wouldn't be so bad. I know I wouldn't mind leaving my connection open while I'm at work all day.

Usenet, man I haven't messed with that in 12 years. :D
I'm not knocking it I just thought there was a file size limit?
It was only used for, um.. "picture" trading back in the day. ;)
Would I have to split it up into 40 pieces?
I wonder what kind of newsgroup limitations my current ISP has, never looked.
Can you post a gig or so file?

BT gets my vote. I always leave uTorrent open.

Usenet, man I haven't messed with that in 12 years. :D
I'm not knocking it I just thought there was a file size limit?
It was only used for, um.. "picture" trading back in the day. ;)
Would I have to split it up into 40 pieces?
I wonder what kind of newsgroup limitations my current ISP has, never looked.
Can you post a gig or so file?

Well from all the large files I dload, it's usually like 50mb per .rar file limit so yeah you would have to split it alot.

I just checked out my ISP's newsgroup section. I would have been perfect 10 years ago. It would take several days just to upload it. I would have to look into buying a premium account for this.

BT is at the top of the list.

How do you guys feel about FTP?


Tom Danley, has OK'd the use of his fireworks wave on the disk. This will show all of your weak links in a hurry, and kill a few drivers if you don't watch out. ;)

Hey Soho.

This is the same Kingpin from htguide.

Just thought I would give you well deserved props for spending alot of time and resources on this. :cool:
From a week of reading a thread on here with enough bashing and negativity to last me a lifetime it's nice to see there are still people who do things just for the sake of helping others.

Cheers brother.(insert a smiley with a beer in his hand here)

Mike

How do you guys feel about FTP?


I would love that method.

About a week ago, I picked up a 3.8GB DVD iso of Fedora Core 6 for x86_64 off a Stanford University ftp sever in ~1 hour and 10 minutes (~950 kiloBYTES per second, average). Long live university file hosts. :D

My vote goes to Newsgroups for sure! things have changed a lot from years past! ;)

I download all my SW and games and Music from it....it's a beautiful thing! If you need help, I can show you! just need to use winRAR to rar and split the file, get some PAR files for it, make an NZB to track them, and post them up....viola!

as a second alternative, you can put it on an FTP server and just PM the login/PW to those interested.

What is the standard for warble tones? I'm assuming it's a sine wave, but by how much does the frequency modulate, and at what frequency does the modulation take place?

i can also help with win rar splitting - send me a note if you need any help or if you don't have winrar

mercedes.partsman AT gmail.com

What is the standard for warble tones? I'm assuming it's a sine wave, but by how much does the frequency modulate, and at what frequency does the modulation take place?


Bueller?

The DVD demos that have been coming out of another AVS thread have been doing fine going FTP. It takes a couple hours but it's consistent.

FTPFTW

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=575236

My first choice is BT as well. If you do FTP, will you please provide the md5 signature for the file in the same directory?

I have been downloading ISO’s for a while….and would say that the best ways I have found are FTP and bit torrent.
If you could put it up on a ftp site......then the people who downloaded it could seed it on bit torrent....that would give you 2 ways to distribute.
I have been doing this with other files. I have a computer that stays online 24/7..so not really a problem for me.

Just my .02

Later
RayJr

Just checked the by lines on my storage space, and I would exceed my bandwidth before the weekend was up. Does anyone know a good, cheap, storage/distribution avenue? :rolleyes: This is for the waves, I have other plans fot the iso. ;)
I will be happy to make my FTP site a host for your DVD. Just PM me and we can work out the details. It is on a large pipe -- so no bandwidth restrictions :)

Just chiming in to say that Swithey's FTP is indeed incredibly fast. I've downloaded many gigabytes from him at a very high rate of speed in the past week or so ;)

so wait, is it ready? I thought soho54 said only the 2-channel stuff was ready, and that he is still working on the 5.1 stuff? :confused:

so wait, is it ready? That would be no. The 5.1 stuff is still not done. All of the 5.1 content is created, it's just taking awhile to get it sorted out and onto a disk. The 2.0 part has already seen play time on my system. :D

I will be happy to make my FTP site a host for your DVD. I thank you for the offer. I will definitely take you up on it. ;)

I've downloaded many gigabytes from him Me too. :D

Things are still moving forward. A few things have slowed down my progress here lately though.

I found that the limitations for icons and menu pages are different for the full screen and wide screen formats, the hard way. :rolleyes: The disk has been re-done in a full screen ratio. That was not fun.

I also spent some time on a few other projects that had been sitting around undone for too long. :o

The corporation I work for is in the process of changing ownership right now, so I am swamped at work right now. I'm pulling crazy hours holding my little ,Inc. together. I trying to keep the fuel moving while re-filing the mountains of paperwork to keep it all by-the-book with about 10 different levels of state(s), local and federal bureaucracy. While keeping the sharks in check.

Anywho, I just wanted to let everyone know this project is still chugging along.

( I really need to finish, because Avia can't do anything I want it to with my new dual subs.)

we are patiently awaiting! :)

bump... ;-)

While you wait.

Another toy to play with.

Bink Audio Test CD
http://binkster.net/extras.shtml

I'd love this. When will it be done? Thanks

bump... ;-)

ok......"Jim"
Jimbo....
The "Jimster"....
"Jim crack corn, and I don't care"....


:D :p

God, I love that commercial!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqeMZh1WJs4

We are in the home stretch.

I just burned the first completed beta disk. :D

Now I have to go through and make sure everything is in the right place, and is at the right SPL. This will take a few more ( wifeless ) days. Then all I have to do is fix the errors (with several hundred options there is bound to be a few) and render the final cut.

Two weeks maybe? :o

I might need to go ahead and hit up swithey. :D

Hurrah! You rule, man.

This is why it is taking so long.

The beta disk worked fine on my computer last night. I get home today ready to toss it into the DVD player, and it doesn't work. There is no way to get to the menu. :confused: It just starts off with a 20-200hz FL sweep, you can skip through about 8 other tests and that is it. :mad:

I went through and double checked all the settings and tweaked a few, and I'm in the process of burning another right now.

Wonderful.

Hope I screwed the burn up last night, and haven't found another menu limit. :rolleyes:

I´d like to contribute to this in some way. If you put this on BT ill commit to upload a minimum of 20Gb in the first week.

It is confirmed. I hit another limit. :mad:

I'm going to have to go back to the 2.0 side and cut some menu levels to make room for all the rest of the 5.1 goodies.

The good news is I found another way to add the stereo stuff, so I'll only have to cut menu levels not content. :) The bad is that this pushes the completion date out again. :(


One thing I haven't asked about yet, DD levels. Avia and DVE are encoded with a -27db dialnorm setting. This means -20db from the DVD should play as 81db not 85db. This also means that DTS and non(+4)dialnorm DD DVDs are 4db hot. (109db peaks)

I have encoded everything at -31db (dialnorm off/+4), so that -20db is 85db and 0db is 105db.

This is the way I want it. If any of you would prefer a -27 dialnorm option let me know. ASAP

soho54: How is work coming along? Any ETA?

It is confirmed. I hit another limit. :mad:

I'm going to have to go back to the 2.0 side and cut some menu levels to make room for all the rest of the 5.1 goodies.

The good news is I found another way to add the stereo stuff, so I'll only have to cut menu levels not content. :) The bad is that this pushes the completion date out again. :(


One thing I haven't asked about yet, DD levels. Avia and DVE are encoded with a -27db dialnorm setting. This means -20db from the DVD should play as 81db not 85db. This also means that DTS and non(+4)dialnorm DD DVDs are 4db hot. (109db peaks)

I have encoded everything at -31db (dialnorm off/+4), so that -20db is 85db and 0db is 105db.

This is the way I want it. If any of you would prefer a -27 dialnorm option let me know. ASAP
Could you explain in more detail how the dialnorm setting is used by DD decoders to us ignoramuses? I was under the impression that this only comes in to play when the decoder is creating a 2.0 downmix from a 5.1 source, but I could very well be mistaken. Or was it something to do with dynamic range compression in night mode? Please explain!

ETA? I'd rather not stick my foot in my mouth again. :p

Dialnorm? Hmmm...
Dialogue Normalization, Dynamic Range Control, and Downmixing are all separate DD metadata influenced parameters. They can influence one another, but Dialnorm is not effected by anything else. When engaging a Downmix DRC is affected, but not Dialnorm.

Dialnorm is supposed to be used normalize average volume from program to program. In movies this is mostly the dialogue, in say broadcast TV it is the average A-weighted loudness. IE, the loudness of people talking on a DD track in Click should be the same as Half Baked, or an HD NFL game. (notice the highlighted words.)

Dialnorm is indicated by a number from -31db to 0db at the encoder level. This number is chosen by where the average levels are at on a sound track. Bare with me a minute. Now the highest "volume" coded on a DD track is 0db. When played on say, the center channel you should get 105db on an SPL meter at your seat. This means -31db on the track plays back at 74db. A disk with a dialnorm of -31db has nothing done to it. (the ARV will say +4db, I'll get to this in a minute.) Now lets say you have a track with a normalized level of -21db. The DD decoder (AVR) will "turn down" everything by -10db to match the loudness to the chosen -31db level.

Now Dolby set the the default levels for home equipment as -27db. This is why you get +4db on you AVR with a -31db dialnorm, and nothing indicated at -27db. They wanted the option of boosting a track if one needed it. This is going to screw a few brains, but nothing is being done to the signal when it says +4db, and at anything other than than that the volume is being decreased. This is why it is said that DTS is 4db hotter than DD. It really isn't. Most DD disks are just retarded a few dbs by default.

This is why I am going with -31db. This will set the correct max setting for DD and DTS. It's really no big deal, just preference. :)

Disclaimer-This is not gospel, just something I threw together off the top of my head at work. Check out Dolbys site for the real run down.

As long as you document your levels, your preference makes sense. We are just looking forward to testing your work out.

Thanks for the dialnorm explanation. I "get it" now. :)

soho54: As long as you some day will release this im happy. Ive got the behringer waiting for you disc. Oh, and thank you for creating this.

I'm eagerly awaiting this. Any progress to advise us on?

I'm really sorry this is taking way longer than expected.

Every time I make headway, I have to go backwards are do it all over again. Between work and the wife's "you spend to much time on the computer" kick the last few months my actual window to work on the project has really almost closed.

That said, I do have an almost completed demo going now. The problem last month was that I have had to go back and pretty much start over. I had to change the default DVD disk audio codec, and redo how the 2.0 side accessed it's audio to get everything to work together on a stand alone DVD player. (It works great on any computer, but nothing else will play it correctly as it was.) Unfortunately this means that all the audio is now trans coding to the wrong levels. :rolleyes: It doesn't make sense and shouldn't be happening, but it is. I am now going back through the waves and tweaking them to the same levels across the entire disk with the ac3 files as the base. Once I get the samples on the demo correct all that is left is correcting all the other waves and inserting them back into their correct places.

Once again, I'm very sorry for the wait. I really wanted to be done in Jan. Now March has shown up. :(

I for one, appreciate your effort and understand how hard it is to balance our complicated lives. Keep after it, and good luck.

soho,

It is your house that my lovely wife has been going to when she gets pissed at me for being on the computer. I believe that there is a gene which only wives have that rings some bell or other in their head whenever their hubbies start dabbling in some hobby or other.

Little do we know that computers, fishing rods, skis, golf clubs and the like are just another woman to our wives.

Looking forward to the five channel test tones.

We are all patiently awaiting the finished product. Keep up the good work. I am sure it will be worth the wait and a valuable tool for all of us.

Little do we know that computers, fishing rods, skis, golf clubs and the like are just another woman to our wives. As insane as this sounds it is exactly correct. :(

A couple of years ago I would have laughed this off as a joke. I few years married is a real eye opener. :eek: The funny thing is you can never convince them that there is no competition between them and whatever it is at the moment. :rolleyes:

Update

OK, as of right now my wife has a buisness trip scheduled starting on March 19th lasting 20 days. This means I get unlimited computer time, and this project is first on the list. :rolleyes: ;)

Wow! this is amazing! I'm a little confused about how I will be able to get this when it's complete, but I'm guessing the details will be hashed out when it actually comes down to time.

Wow! this is amazing! I'm a little confused about how I will be able to get this when it's complete, but I'm guessing the details will be hashed out when it actually comes down to time.

Bittorent downloads, regular download in parts, paying Soho a few bills to mail a copy to you.

Wow! this is amazing! I'm a little confused about how I will be able to get this when it's complete, but I'm guessing the details will be hashed out when it actually comes down to time.
I plan to host it on my FTP site for everyone to download :)

I'd be willing to PayPal Donate him for a copy.

Gladly make a donation as well.

Soho, could your wife take mine along, I need some speaker building time.

sweet deal. Thanks for the info. I'm not even sure I know what an FTP site is, and how to get to one though...

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From FTPplanet.com
"What is FTP?
FTP (File Transfer Protocol) is the simplest and most secure way to exchange files over the Internet. Whether you know it or not, you most likely use FTP all the time.
The most common use for FTP is to download files from the Internet. Because of this, FTP is the backbone of the MP3 music craze, and vital to most online auction and game enthusiasts. In addition, the ability to transfer files back-and-forth makes FTP essential for anyone creating a Web page, amateurs and professionals alike.

When downloading a file from the Internet you're actually transferring the file to your computer from another computer over the Internet. This is why the T (transfer) is in FTP. You may not know where the computer is that the file is coming from but you most likely know it's URL or Internet address.

An FTP address looks a lot like an HTTP, or Website, address except it uses the prefix ftp:// instead of http://."

sweet. i can't wait!

I'd be willing to PayPal Donate him for a copy.
Ditto...

Almost there guys.

I am having trouble getting everything to play well together on one disk in a regular DVD player. Once I get several hundred menus and audio clips on the disk it won't play in a stand alone player. Of course a computer will play it just fine. Same old song.

I have determined it is a fatal software error (no a user error), and there is no getting around it. The program craps out when it hits a random number of titles to menu pages once you get over a hundred or so, and defaults to one master title. :confused: I have two lite DVDs (2.0pcm & 5.1 DD) ready to go to get past this obstacle, but the disk format and menu system is well $#!+. I do not want to release these. :(

I tried to start over in Adobe Encore last weekend, but it is a nightmare. You have to switch between Encore, Premiere, and Photoshop constantly to do anything. Major pain in the @$$. If I wanted this much aggravation I would have sourced a used copy of Scenarist. :rolleyes:

As it stands I have the crappy ones ready, but I am in the process of downloading the new DVD Architech 4.0 right now. I am hoping there is a fix for my problem in the newest version. My DVD A 2.0 that came with Vegas 5.0 is getting a little long in the tooth anyways. :p

Maybe the wife won't scrutinize the budget when she gets back. ;) :D

Everyone cross your fingers. :o

YES!

Thank you, who ever it was that crossed your fingers. :D

The new version can import the old projects, and I have a use to be "non-working" demo playing through my stand alone player as I type. :) Looks like I will get to have everything on one disk, and finish it this weekend after all. :eek:

Now to get back to work.

NICE! send the link as soon as ready....woot! :D

NICE! send the link as soon as ready....woot! :D

Yeah we should also start a torrent as well as the FTP for the DVD, I would seed for a few weeks.

I'm voting for FTP. I still have nothing good to say about torrents except I'm sure they would work well if we were still in the 14.4 modem era.

I have a server with a 1+ tb/month limit & lots of bandwidth. I would be willing to provide a http or ftp mirror. PM me and I'll set you up!

I have a server with a 1+ tb/month limit & lots of bandwidth. I would be willing to provide a http or ftp mirror. PM me and I'll set you up!
NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool:

I'm voting for FTP. I still have nothing good to say about torrents except I'm sure they would work well if we were still in the 14.4 modem era.
Actually bitorrent is far better now than it was then, namely because of the increased speeds. At home we get 2 mb/s up, and 15 down. You get a bunch of people with speeds like this and your downloads will easily exceed 500kb/s for everyone. This way, it doesn't cost anyone any extra money.

However, since people are offering their spare bandwidth, FTP ftw.

My wife came home a day early, so I have to do the Easter thing today after all. :rolleyes:

With that said I finished getting all the info on the DVD yesterday. I am happy to say it is running smooth, and faster than before. :) Now I just have to do a total run through on it to make sure all of the nav buttons are correct. No big deal.

Once that is done I'm going to overnight a copy to swithey an maybe 80211mdr ( I haven't talked with him yet. ;) ), and they will set it free.

Now if there is anything special you might need, to test out your setup please let me know quickly, and I will see what I can do. I want this to be in swithey's hands before next weekend. Other than a few of you, you guys have been very quiet in this area, so don't blame me when what you need isn't on there. :p :D

Last call...

Whenever the .iso gets out I will also make a torrent and post it here. I have a dedicated seed machine with a ~120 kilobyte/sec upload and I can seed for months if needed.

I'm getting itchy for this dvd. Really looking forward to putting my crappy rca 10" thru it's paces and possibly blow it for an excuse for a new diy sub.

What a day. :mad:

I'm coming home, and about an hour away from home some kid t-bones my new car while I was cruising down 82. :eek: :mad:

An hour later I'm watching my car being towed away, and getting into a POS loaner. :(

Then three miles from my house I have a flat with the POS. If that isn't bad enough there was only a spare tire. No tire iron. No jack. :mad:

The last hour home cost me a new car, $40 to fill the POS up (there was suppose to be gas in it, but the needle had failed,) a good shirt, and four hours of my life. What an evening. :(

Sorry, had to vent. I'm going to bed now.

Damn, what a sh!tty day. Sorry man!

Lawyer. I am sure your neck hurts.

Sorry to hear about that. Will your insurance cover it?

Whenever the .iso gets out I will make a torrent and post it here. I have a dedicated seed machine with a ~120 kilobyte/sec upload and I can seed for months if needed.
dude...could you also make an FTP/HTTP mirror for us non-t0rr3nt users? that would be greatly appreciated man! :)

dude...could you also make an FTP/HTTP mirror for us non-t0rr3nt users? that would be greatly appreciated man! :)
Already in the works :D

I have no idea what an internet torrent is. I only know about the kind with torrent ial rain.

torrenting something like this is far easier, faster, and more productive than an ftp. if people need help knowing how to grab a torrent I'm sure some people can jump in and give a heads up howto

Just do it both, FTP and Torrents! JEEEZ!

Just do it both, FTP and Torrents! JEEEZ!
Yeah, that makes it easiest probably. That way us cool geeks can torrent it up :D

Let's stay civil guys. ;)

First it will travel by UPS/FedEx
Next an ftp will be set up first to get it out.
Then a torrent will emerge.
After that who knows? What ever distribution method you guys come up with.

At this point it could still turn out to suck to all of you, and all this talk is for naught. :p

At this point it could still turn out to suck to all of you, and all this talk is for naught. :p


Then we want our money back.... :p

NO REFUNDS.

I"m going to have to put you on "the list" now. :mad:

:D ;)

OK, I have the release candidate playing on my system right now.

I have to admit that I want to put more on it, but I'm ready to be done with it for awhile. It only runs 850meg on the DVD right now, but it is around 2gigs before the DVD conversion. I need another gig of ram before I can do anymore. :rolleyes:

I'm shipping out the first copy tomorrow. :)

I have went over everything, but please post anything weird you find. It should be 100%, but there was a lot of ground to cover for just one guy. Just post it here and I'll get a corrected copy out. I am also willing to do a second version later on in the year, if you guys find something lacking from the disk.

A few notes:
-Most everything is recorded at -20dB or -10dB per channel. If it is a special case it will say so. To keep the "oh $#!T" moments to a minimum. ;)
-The PCM half is recorded as is. This means that it is going to be 4dB lower than the DD parts on some receivers. Thank Dolby and Dialnorm.
-This disk is recorded at full 100% levels. This means it will be 4dB higher than say Avia.
-The LFE channel is recorded as is. -20dB is 95dB not 85dB.
side note: Avia doesn't use LFE to set the LFE levels, I am getting a clash there with my setup. FYI

Time for LOST. :D

Thanks soho for putting the blood, sweat and tears into this, look forward to the download when it is out. Time for Lost :) .

Woohoo! Can't wait to grab a copy!

It will be out just in time when i'm finishing my sono. SWEET.

THnx for all you hard work.

Excellent news! So, who will be the first to put this on ftp/torrent? :*)

Excellent news! So, who will be the first to put this on ftp/torrent? :*)
I will be hosting the file on my FTP server. However, PLEASE DO NOT PM me with status. I will post here as soon as I get it loaded on the site.

I'm looking forward to the DVD myself!

I realize its free... but you guys are torturing us... get'er done for crying out loud.. ;)

The DVD is done, and is in the hands UPS. ;)

swithey should (hopefully) receive it sometime Monday. When he has time he will run the DVD through Ultra ISO or something and place it on his Demo Disk FTP site. Then he will let everyone know it is up, and will give out the info on how to access it.

Once swithey has done this I will create a post to tell anyone who has no idea how to use FTP the wheres and hows.

80211mdr is then going to create a torrent after he downloads the DVD from swithey, and will post a link here.


I'm still baffled by the response here though. Why do you guys even want this thing? Are the LFE sweeps that cool?

yes they are... but...

I'm out tomorrow an all weekend -- so the earliest I'll have it on the site is Monday. I'll do my best to get posted in the AM. Thanks for creating this monster, soho54!

It is the pop it in the DVD player convenience and a known recording level etc. that makes it so appealing. I have downloaded test tones and can play them right off my computer through my Series 3 TiVo. How good they are, what level they are recorded at etc. is a complete unknown.

And then you have a whole bunch of other goodies going too. Great Job SoHo. (can I say Ho? Will I get fired) Oh No its So Ho.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to having all the sweeps and pink noise for each individual channel without having to haul my computer out and hook up to the receiver. I appreciate the work you've gone to - I hope you get as much use out of it as we will.

It is greatly appreciated that you did all this work. I'm sure I'll enjoy this. And thanks for putting it on an ftp site. Torrents? Ha.

The Audio Test DVD v2 is now on the FTP Site.

If you've already downloaded the HT Demo DVDs from my site before, the same login will work. There is a new directory called "Audio Test DVD" with the ISO file inside.

If you need a login ID, please PM me and I'll get you everything you need. Please do not publish the login info anywhere as I need to control bandwidth, access, etc.

soho54 -- great job on the DVD. It look and works perfectly!

Sweetness. Thank you.

soho54 -- great job on the DVD. It look and works perfectly! Thank you, and thank you for putting it out there.

I have been playing with it all weekend at my friends houses. The mains to sub 5.1 phase check seems to only work on my Stereo setup. :confused: This is the only hitch I have found.

One other thing, everyone please be careful with this thing. I have already ordered half a new IB for one of my friends. :( I forgot to factor in the distance (24ft) from the IB. Dayton IB drivers do not like to play 20-200 sweeps at 105dB levels(-10dB not the -.5dB stuff :eek: ) from that far away. :rallyes: :D

Sweet! I can't wait to get this tonight when I get home.

Excellent news. I will surely download this and try it out when I get home. Thanks Soho!

Thanks alot for all the work you put into this DVD Soho! Hopefully i'll be able to get a copy within a day or two :)

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The Disk is Done!
Updated the first post, with a HOW TO for those who might not know how to use the FTP server.

I will keep the FP updated.

Weird, im missing the "Audio Test Dvd" folder.......Everything else is there except for that. Unless its a different ip, I also tried refreshing and still the same.
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/9713/untitledvk7.th.jpg (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledvk7.jpg)

EDIT: Tried different IP, its there...

So if I use my RS SPL meter, and make sure that I have my speakers level matched (using 85dB as the mark) then what dB should I use to set my sub?

Willd-OK, go to 5.1-calibration. All Pink Noise is recorded at -20dB, so FL,FR,C,RR, and RL should be 85dB at your seat. The LFE is also -20dB, but the DD decoder adds 10dB so the LFE channel should play back at 95dB at your seat. I thought I added that to the disk?

You will need to use the 80 and 90 setting on the RS meter, or put your Master Volume at -10 and use 70-80. (this is what I normally do ;) )

In the 2.0 PCM section it is all calibrated to 85dB or 75dB, the 5.1 DD section is all pure -20dB.

Willd-OK, go to 5.1-calibration. All Pink Noise is recorded at -20dB, so FL,FR,C,RR, and RL should be 85dB at your seat. The LFE is also -20dB, but the DD decoder adds 10dB so the LFE channel should play back at 95dB at your seat. I thought I added that to the disk?

You will need to use the 80 and 90 setting on the RS meter, or put your Master Volume at -10 and use 70-80. (this is what I normally do ;) )

Yeah, you did put the 95dB bit in there. I just wanted to clarify. :)

Is this thing done yet.... I pmed Steve twice and twice his pm's were blank.

:confused:

Yeah, you did put the 95dB bit in there. I just wanted to clarify. You have me worried now. I knew it wasn't newbie friendly, but the disk might be a little more vague than I thought. :(

If anyone else has any questions please ask away. If I can help you out I will. ;)
I might need to come up with a manual or something.

Anybody who's downloaded it already please start a torrent so others on AVS can seed the file!

There is a torrent and at least one direct HTTP link still on the way. ;) :p

There is a torrent and at least one direct HTTP link still on the way. ;) :p

Sweet! Wait, is the torrent already up or is it on its way?

You have me worried now. I knew it wasn't newbie friendly, but the disk might be a little more vague than I thought. :(

If anyone else has any questions please ask away. If I can help you out I will. ;)
I might need to come up with a manual or something.

Nah, I was just over thinking the whole thing.

Thanks so much for this. Your effort is greatly appreciated. I'm downloading it right now. May have to wait till tomorrow to play it though. Don't want to wake up the kids.

One thing,

The Pink Noise used for the LFE levels calibration is centered around 40-200hz, with steep roll-offs. With the typical sub roll-off above 100hz this level should be a pretty accurate LFE calibration even with the RS meter, so don't add the usual 4-5dB most say to add with other disks. The meter will bounce a little, but that is the only way to do it with out over compressing the PN.

The other 5.1 Calibration PN is 300-2000hz.

The full 5.1 PN at -10dB in the Extras section is at least 10hz and up. I left the full range warning off for some reason. :( There was a whole PN section that disappeared at some point as well. :o

The LFE calibration is for a sub good to at least 100hz. If your sub naturally rolls-off earlier than that, you use a lower LFE xover point, you don't have LFE and sub xover points on your AVR, or you don't use it's xover bypass use the 2.0 Sub cal +4dB. Trust me.

Hey guys. I would have had the torrent up already, but my internet has been down for the past two days :mad: . My ISP is sending a guy out tommorrow AM, so hopefully I will have the torrent and http link up sometime before the weekend.

nvm, Ill have it on my http in a few

Ill try and get it on my T1 later.


HTTP link being held for a bit, torrent is the best way.


http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3666592/AudioTestDVDv2 Here is the torrent for it. It would be faster for everyone if ppl used this instead. I have my 1mb line at home and work running it right now. (both T1's)

Update

The DVD is out now, if you haven't noticed

The First Post has been updated with new downloading options, and I started a faq of sorts at the end about the usage of the disk and its quirks which I will expand upon as things pan out. ;)

Thanks a bunch guys... this thing is amazing..and well made.. I just popped it in... for a test drive ... made a few 40 hz sweeps... until the wife started screaming cause the plates upstairs in the kitchen started rattling....

I'll wait till she goes shopping....

nvm, Ill have it on my http in a few

Ill try and get it on my T1 later.


HTTP link being held for a bit, torrent is the best way.


http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3666592/AudioTestDVDv2 Here is the torrent for it. It would be faster for everyone if ppl used this instead. I have my 1mb line at home and work running it right now. (both T1's)

I already have the file complete, how can I seed it into this torrent?

I already have the file complete, how can I seed it into this torrent?

Tell your torrent program to save the file to the same location where it is already present on your hard drive. Then it should check the file to make sure it matches the torrent, and then it'll seed.

I did the same thing earlier.

anyone up to loading it to a http or ftp site? :)

ssabie check the first post. ;)

I will seed it but It won't connect :( even thopugh it has 5 seeders and 3 leaches, I have a 17 dwn and 2 up line so should be quick.

I will seed it but It won't connect :( even thopugh it has 5 seeders and 3 leaches, I have a 17 dwn and 2 up line so should be quick.

You need to make sure your firewall isn't preventing you from connecting.

http://portforward.com/

Tell your torrent program to save the file to the same location where it is already present on your hard drive. Then it should check the file to make sure it matches the torrent, and then it'll seed.

I did the same thing earlier.

Damn it wouldnt work for me. I'm using Azureus.

Edit: Got it to work! Have fun leeching and remember to seed!

I use bitlord and its pretty much install and go. IMO its the most user friendly one.

I'm back. Apparently the high winds on monday actually _disconnected_ the cable from the splitter on the telephone pole. In any case I'll have the http link up later today.

Here is the direct HTTP link:

http://annapolisesa.com/avs/dvd/AudioTestDVDv2.iso

I might have to shut it down if I go over my 1.2 tB limit. Have fun!

I've also put up a direct http link to help with the initial seeding.
I'll also need to watch as I have a 4.5 terabyte limit on bandwidth per month. I should be OK for a week or so. :cool: Download speed should be pretty decent as it is on a commercial ISP server.

Between the two html links and the torrent participants we should be fine. (I'm seeding the torrent too)

The link is here:

http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/downloads/AudioTestDVDv2.ISO Sorry, but the direct download is not in place any longer.

Joe L.

First, a big thank you to soho for spending so much time creating this.

On the other hand, has anyone been able to play this in PowerDVD 7.3? I only get 4 seconds of black screen without any menu options.

First, a big thank you to soho for spending so much time creating this.

On the other hand, has anyone been able to play this in PowerDVD 7.3? I only get 4 seconds of black screen without any menu options.it works in PowerDVD version 4.0 on my PC. Can't help you with the newer 7.3 version as I don't own anything newer than 4.0.

On the other hand, has anyone been able to play this in PowerDVD 7.3? It works with PowerDVD 4-5-6, in XP. I don't have a the newer version.

It should work in any DVD player. That is odd. :(

Am downloading on ftp as we speak, using FileZilla. All new stuff to me but everything so far has gone exactly as directed. I am humbled by the geniuses here.... :)

IT's awesome..I downloaded it yeseterday.. then I also stole a couple of he Demo DVD's.... :D


What speed are you downloaded at?

It stayed around 274 kb/s and took about 23 min. for the Audio Test DVD. I have a couple of free programs that I've (barely) used before that work well...DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink but I have to run out and buy some blank DVDs. I'm marveling at it right now but I am just getting started.
Oops, I forgot...I downloaded ImageBurn and will try that instead of Decrypter.

Is there a nice, printable table of contents in PDF or in the form of an amaray case jacket?

I'm looking forward to using this once I get my new receiver.

Thanks for all the effort! That is a nice bit of work. :)

Great job!

The DVD is done. See the FP for info.


Here's the thing, I need for someone to check the 2.0 Mono sweeps out for me. On my original there is no problem, but I have had someone mention a static like sound when playing them on a downloaded copy. These sweeps and the tones in that section are the only true mono wavs on the disk. I am hoping it is just his setup not handling them well.

I just want to make sure it wasn't a bad disk, I sent swithey. :o

I ran all the 2.0 Mono sweeps with no "static sound" problem. The "left" and "right" sweeps work perfectly. But when I selected the "both" option, only the left speaker worked. Anyone else have this happen?

Thanks for checking it out for me. I feel better now. :rolleyes:
when I selected the "both" option, only the left speaker worked. Anyone else have this happen? I have tested audio on different yamaha, sony, and onkyo AVRs with no problems. I have ran the dvd through several PCs, several sony, JVC, apex, no name dvd players, and my PS2&3 with no problems. :confused:

I wanted to be able to test AVRs out with the disk, but not in this way. The mono wav should be split up and sent to both Left and Right channels at full volume, so that it should be 6dB louder than a Left or Right sweep by itself. It should read as LPCM 2.0 768Kbps.

I discovered the problem is with my Pioneer DVD player or the Technics decoder that it's connected to. The 5.1 tests all work with this system. I tried the 2.0 sweeps on my upstairs Sony system and they work perfectly. Maybe it's time for a "downstairs system" upgrade. :rolleyes:

Thanks soho54,

Fantastic DVD!

I've been looking for LFE test tones for a long time, and when I find your thread the DVD is already released :)

This has allowed me to experiment with the mysterious LFE Crossover Frequency setting in my Denon 3806. Finding that it has no impact whatsoever on tones and sweeps in the LFE channel, leaving it even more mysterious (or useless).

Thanks also to the guys for hosting the iso.

This has allowed me to experiment with the mysterious LFE Crossover Frequency setting in my Denon 3806. Finding that it has no impact whatsoever on tones and sweeps in the LFE channel, leaving it even more mysterious (or useless).


ROFL :D

This has allowed me to experiment with the mysterious LFE Crossover Frequency setting in my Denon 3806. Finding that it has no impact whatsoever on tones and sweeps in the LFE channel, leaving it even more mysterious (or useless). LOL, this is great. :) This is exactly what I did this for. Now everyone can figure out exactly what their bass management really does. There is way to much mis-information out there, and I lot of the stuff that is taken as a known fact really isn't. Hopefully this disk will clear a little of it up. This is why I focused on the lower frequencies on all the DD channels. Now you can really figure out what your Sub and LFE xover is doing.

I expect a lot of people will find odd stuff like this, and Uklit's problem.

I need to change my comment about Powerdvd 7.3 not working. It does, but not when you mount the dvd image in daemon tools. I burnt it to a DVD-r and it now works perfectly.

I need to change my comment about Powerdvd 7.3 not working. It does, but not when you mount the dvd image in daemon tools. I burnt it to a DVD-r and it now works perfectly.
i mounted it with alcohol 120% and it works for me in vlc player, but in windows media player classic the audio is all screwed up, could be because of ffdshow though.
to the op, thanks for the dvd!

Hey,
I just got the DVD. Thanx to all that made it possible. Its a great test tool for any HT, big or small.

One question to all though. In 5.1 tests, when you test the levels and you have a choice of each chanel, when i go to LFE, i got no sound. The only way i get the sub to output is when I select MAINS or LEFT or RIGHT, only then the sub is mixed in that test. Any ideas on how i can isolate the sub to be on its own ( or is it possible?)

Im running the tests using Pioneer VSX1015 - sub out, Y spiltter to a powered sub L and R inputs.
Thnx

Hey,
I just got the DVD. Thanx to all that made it possible. Its a great test tool for any HT, big or small.

One question to all though. In 5.1 tests, when you test the levels and you have a choice of each chanel, when i go to LFE, i got no sound. The only way i get the sub to output is when I select MAINS or LEFT or RIGHT, only then the sub is mixed in that test. Any ideas on how i can isolate the sub to be on its own ( or is it possible?)

Im running the tests using Pioneer VSX1015 - sub out, Y spiltter to a powered sub L and R inputs.
Thnx
you sure your reciver is working at 5.1 during those test? it sounds like its running in stereo or dsp mode and simply mixing the lfe to the mains and the sub at the same time.

Any ideas on how i can isolate the sub to be on its own ( or is it possible?) The LFE tests are isolated, it sounds like a setup issue.

Make sure you have your sub settings on yes and not plus or off.
Make sure the LFE ATT setting is 0dB. (it's in the Other Setup section) Not -10dB or off.
Make sure you are listening in a standard Dolby Digital mode.

My copy works great on my HD-A1, no issues. I found out that my LFE subwoofers will move at 2Hz!! :eek: Then, using a radio shack SPL meter, I confirmed that my -3dB response was 19Hz; previous measurements with RoomEQ and the meter indicated this as well.

I'm going to purchase Buttkicker LFE transducers at some point, and now that this DVD is out we can create a +3dB cutoff point using an EQ and the test tones. I'll play the subsonic frequencies in 1Hz increments to blend the vibrations perfectly with my subwoofer's -3dB point.

Thanks for creating this DVD, and thanks for the people who are hosting the ISO!! :cool:

The LFE tests are isolated, it sounds like a setup issue.

Make sure you have your sub settings on yes and not plus or off.
Make sure the LFE ATT setting is 0dB. (it's in the Other Setup section) Not -10dB or off.
Make sure you are listening in a standard Dolby Digital mode.

Thanx, that was the issue. I had it at PLUS. Thanx.

Glad I could help. :D

My bad, Correction to my previous post. The LFE can be set to YES or PLUS. It will still work.

The problem was my LFE ATT was OFF, and it has to be 0dB.

Don't want to confuse N E 1.

My current sub, Old powered Kenwood 10" starts at 25dB, anything below is not audible. We will see how the DUI sono does. If I only had an amp :(

its comming :)

Thnx for you help and the DVD soho.

Shameless bump. ;)
It's done. See the FP for all the info.

Trying to download the torrent now but the speed is going slow. Can those that've downloaded please seed for me. Thanks!

Also, thanks to the creators and people who have spent time working on this DVD. :)

Sorry, I'm a little late.

Thank you, Capt. ;)

Soho, this is a super disc. Thanks much. Forgive if this has been asked.....Can I use the pink noise to set my EQ with a RTA? I.E., is it full range pink noise and is it "accurate". I have both DVE and Avia and have used both, but they are slightly different (mostly in the 200-500hz range).

That is a tough question.
Which PN tests are you wanting to try to use with the RTA?
All calibration PN tests are bandwidth limited. The 2.0 mains are 300-2200Hz, Sub 20-80Hz. The 5.1 speakers are 300-2200Hz, LFE 30-200Hz.

The only "full range" PN is in the 5.1 extras section. I just don't remember how this section ended up. It was redone several times, and I messed my audit trail up. :( In the comparison sections they are either 10Hz and up, or 50Hz and up. I am unsure of the final out come in the 5.1 at one time section. It is really full range, or 10Hz and up.

There was suppose to be a section with a full range signal on each channel by itself for RTA's, but it got left out of the finale draft somehow. All that is left is the Extra's comparison section. Sorry. :(

As for the accuracy, it is as accurate as random noise can be. Here is a pic of the FFT response of the original Full Range wave. I just added bandpass filters to create the wavs on the disk. I hope this is close enough. (Note- My PN doesn't sound like Avia's PN. They tweaked something there.) I used high intensity in my PN generation.

Hope this helps. Sorry about the pure RTA section again.

thanks for the dvd, finally got myself a new sound card and this helps so much. why is this thread not a sticky yet?!

thanks for the dvd, finally got myself a new sound card and this helps so much. why is this thread not a sticky yet?!

Mods only show up to this forum when someone complains or there is fighting. That's it.

There is an update in the works.

I'm adding 20-20K Pink Noise per channel for RTA users, and adding some different Dialnorm levels checks for a few who have asked.

Anyone find any quirks that need to be fixed? Any must have additions?

There is an update in the works.

I'm adding 20-20K Pink Noise per channel for RTA users, and adding some different Dialnorm levels checks for a few who have asked.

Anyone find any quirks that need to be fixed? Any must have additions?

It would be nice to have a readout on-screen of what frequency is being played when the sweeps are firing off. I don't know how difficult that would be, but it would be a nice addition.

It would be nice to have a readout on-screen of what frequency is being played when the sweeps are firing off. I don't know how difficult that would be, but it would be a nice addition. This is kind of in the works as well. It would put the update way off to include it, but if it's what eveyone wants I can hold back awhile.

It is just very labor intensive. I can only do about one sweep video a day, and I have to quit. Then it's a few days later before I feel like attempting it again. Let alone have the time. That is a crap load of frames to create manually, and audio sync. :(

Anyone with a lot of free time want to outsource? :D :D

Mods only show up to this forum when someone complains or there is fighting. That's it.

Made it a sticky.... :rolleyes:

Well since this is up top now :o , I want to add that I am trying to get the DVD levels checked by an outside source. Several avenues have went sour, but I have hopes another will pan out.

I could do it myself, but that isn't always a good idea. I'm going to try and get someone whose measurement skills, and honesty are unquestioned. ;) If this falls through I'll do it myself anyway. :D

20-20K Pink Noise per channel for RTA users, and adding some different Dialnorm levels checks- are coming.
Frequency indicator video on sweeps is possible, just takes awhile.

Any other comments, suggestions?

Made it a sticky.... :rolleyes:


Crackyflipside: "Foot, this is mouth; mouth, this is foot." ::D

Glad to see this finally stickied where it belongs.

Not sure if it is discussed before on this thread, is there .torrent file for this download. Thanks!

I keep the first post updated. The torrent link is on there.

I forgot to add that to my last post.




Up to date info in first post. :)

What is the current status of the update?

This disc sounds awesome! Should I wait to download until I the update is released? soho54, do you have a versioning system for this disc? How do I know what version I am downloading? Did you ever get the levels checked by an independent?

I can't believe this thread just ended this way. I am all fired up! :)

Mike

Hi!
This is a cool DVD!
I'd suggest short (burst) tones at different frequencies for both room and woofer response testing. For example 50ms to 400ms tones as used by Siegfried Linkwitz on his site. :)

Regards,
Sladi

ok all, I have a very stupid question. How am I supposed to be checking my sub with this? I mean what am i supposed to do to fid out the performance of my sub? I built my own with help from people on this forum and I would really like to find out if i did a good job or not.. I have put he disc in and I get very slight woofer movement at 1hz but I know that dont mean squat. I just need some direction on what to do. all i have is a radio shack spl meter(with digital readout). Any help appreciated and thanks in advance!!!

ok all, I have a very stupid question. How am I supposed to be checking my sub with this? I mean what am i supposed to do to fid out the performance of my sub? I built my own with help from people on this forum and I would really like to find out if i did a good job or not.. I have put he disc in and I get very slight woofer movement at 1hz but I know that dont mean squat. I just need some direction on what to do. all i have is a radio shack spl meter(with digital readout). Any help appreciated and thanks in advance!!!With the aid of the test CD and your RS SPL meter you can chart the performance of your DIY sub.

As you discovered, it is as easy for the cone of your woofer to move back and forth 1 time per second (1Hz) than at
100 Hz. You may not have much gain through your amplifier at that low frequency, so the excursion may not be much, and as a result your SPL not too high as measured by your meter, although I doubt it goes that low anyways. Certainly you cannot hear anywhere near that low in frequency. For most, 20 Hz is about as low as we can hear unless the SPL is very high.

So, reduce the level to something on-scale on your SPL meter when playing a test tone somewhere around 150 Hz.
Going downward from there in frequency, measure the level from your sub for each test tone frequency in turn. Keep the RS meter in the same place for each measurement, change its scale as needed to measure the level as you proceed. (On most subs, and certainly on most meters the level will drop as you go really low in frequency.)

You will want to make two sets of measurements, one very close to the subwoofer's driver (near-field) and one from your listening position (far-field)

The far-field set of measurements show the effects of the room more, the near-field measurements show them less.

lastly, plot the measurements on either graph paper, or on a spreadsheet. A spreadsheet with corrections for the RS SPL meter is available here: http://home.comcast.net/~thomasw_2/FreqResp.xls

At the bottom of this page http://home.comcast.net/~thomasw-2/SubwooferSetupandEQpage4.html
are links to several other spreadsheets.

Joe L.

With the aid of the test CD and your RS SPL meter you can chart the performance of your DIY sub.

As you discovered, it is as easy for the cone of your woofer to move back and forth 1 time per second (1Hz) than at
100 Hz. You may not have much gain through your amplifier at that low frequency, so the excursion may not be much, and as a result your SPL not too high as measured by your meter, although I doubt it goes that low anyways. Certainly you cannot hear anywhere near that low in frequency. For most, 20 Hz is about as low as we can hear unless the SPL is very high.

So, reduce the level to something on-scale on your SPL meter when playing a test tone somewhere around 150 Hz.
Going downward from there in frequency, measure the level from your sub for each test tone frequency in turn. Keep the RS meter in the same place for each measurement, change its scale as needed to measure the level as you proceed. (On most subs, and certainly on most meters the level will drop as you go really low in frequency.)

You will want to make two sets of measurements, one very close to the subwoofer's driver (near-field) and one from your listening position (far-field)

The far-field set of measurements show the effects of the room more, the near-field measurements show them less.

lastly, plot the measurements on either graph paper, or on a spreadsheet. A spreadsheet with corrections for the RS SPL meter is available here: http://home.comcast.net/~thomasw_2/FreqResp.xls

At the bottom of this page http://home.comcast.net/~thomasw-2/SubwooferSetupandEQpage4.html
are links to several other spreadsheets.

Joe L.

Hi Joe,

I'm trying to follow the instructions you posted above. I'm a bit confused since I have never done this before. It will be my first time tonight once I have completed the iso download. I have an SPL meter. Should I set it to A or C waiting? Fast? And when plotting, do you guys play 1 tone such as 1hz while watching the spl meter? Then whatever you see on the spl meter, you put it manually on the excel spreadsheet?

Thanks.

Neil

Here is an update but I don't know what I am doing. :D

My yamaha's master volume was set at -16db and QSC gain knob at 24db. I chose the DD5.1 selection on the dvd. Then I selected LFE, then started with 15hz. Below are the values I saw on my Radio Shack set to Slow Response and C Weighting.

15Hz 71db
16Hz 74db
17Hz 79db
18Hz 80db
19Hz 81db
20Hz 86db
25Hz 90db
30Hz 91db
35Hz 86db

Then I saw another menu. It says, -.5db LFE. So I started with 20hz. Oh men, I got frightened badly, I thought my house is going to fall down. I quickly stop it because I felt I'm going to ruin my sub. I adjusted yamaha's master volume to -28db. I played that same scene again and it was still loud. Then next test showed -.5db 200hz-1hz. There was one tone there where my Radio Shack's needle wasn't enough at 90db. So I set it at 110db on radio shack. It continued playing from high tone to low tone. Then on one part of the tone, I saw the needle came up at 112db.

There is also a message there. Use at your own risk. I remember seeing it when using below 15hz. Why is it so? Sorry, I'm new to this.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Oh, how are my readings? Is it good/bad or just right on the spot?

v1rtu0s1ty, your readings look fine. A range of up to 60-80Hz would give you a better picture though.

There is a warning on any track that can kill a driver fast, if you are not sure what you are doing.

Any commercial sub I have owned had filters in place to keep most users pretty safe. With most DIY subs this isn't the case, so I added warnings so that people not as well versed in hertz would know not to go crazy with potential sub killers.

The trick is to try everything new at a low volume first. :D

v1rtu0s1ty, your readings look fine. A range of up to 60-80Hz would give you a better picture though.

There is a warning on any track that can kill a driver fast, if you are not sure what you are doing.

Any commercial sub I have owned had filters in place to keep most users pretty safe. With most DIY subs this isn't the case, so I added warnings so that people not as well versed in hertz would know not to go crazy with potential sub killers.

The trick is to try everything new at a low volume first. :D

Thanks. I have my CLIP FILTERS set to ON. This way, it can protect my drivers. Anyways, ThomasW adviced me not to do the test right now so as not to fry the drivers. He told me that I can do it again once I have my DIY sub become a real IB.

So if my CLIP FILTER wasn't ON, it could have killed it right?

I am having trouble burning the DVD,

I have downloaded the Torrent and the "link" from thread #1

both burn, but have trouble finalizing the disk using ImageBurn.(latest version)

I have tried two seperate DVD burners.

anyone else having problems?

Hi, I ran the DD5.1 Test and I was Unable to Get Pink Noise from the Both Rears and the Center Channel???? I then Tried my Recievers Test tones and the Same thing no noise in the Rears & Center Channel??

But when I play a 5.1 DVD-A the Rears and center channel works fine same thing with the 5.1 Movies ALL channels Work?? What is Going on is it the Test Disk or my System Screwy?? This is Wierd

I have a Sony STR-DE898 Reciever, Denon 1930ci DVD Player and a 5.1 Speaker setup w/HSU VTF-1 Sub??


EDIT: Also the Fireworks Sound clip does Not show up in my Player on my HT, But when I used my Computer it showed up??? the Computer is in a Seperate Room it is not a HTPC.

Great DIY test dvd! I LOVE IT and it worked great!!!

Did the username or password change? its been a while since I accessed the site but can no longer get in. can someone pm me if its changed in the last couple months.

great dvd for a newbie like me. i'm now thinking of upgrading my subw

Thanks for the DVD, I'll continue to seed it on The Pirate Bay.

Thanks for the Audio Test DVD!!! Will keep seeding as long as I can.

.

is piratebay down temporarily or is it down 'for good'? Is there
another torrent link?

The .iso file is 803mb and (out of consideration) I don't want to kill
that site.

I just checked and http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3666592/AudioTestDVDv2 is up.

I'm still seeding there by the way.

Is the FTP site still up or is a torrent the best current way to get the dvd? Thanks

Is the FTP site still up or is a torrent the best current way to get the dvd? Thanks


I don't know, but the torrent is still active and I'm still seeding it. You should be able to get it pretty quick.