I found it on sale on amazon for $22 and though it was worth the gamble. I could always file a complaint to get my money back if it was a fraud. I recieved it today and was pleasently surprised. Its 10 times better than the Criterion version which I own and compared it with, its also a lot better than the Fifth Element. Not sure why it wasnt released, Iam very happy with it and Super glad I took the risk.

On a scale of 1-10, 10 being MI:3 or Brothers Grimm, I give this a 6.5 or 7, considering the source print is flawed and it wasnt remastered. I would give the Fifth Element a 4 or 5 out of 10


Whoever likes this movie should periodically check amazon & ebay to get this awesome movie.

this was pulled for rights reasons or some such, is this the Directors cut? if so I will have to grab it

-Gary

I'm confused. How can these be available, unless this is a copy from the distribution chain b4 they pulled it. It never made it to retail, being pulled b4 the release date. So where can these come from?

ss9001

Any chance you could post pictures edo (of the cover as well as the movie playing on your HD set-up)?

Well it was supposed to be released on 6/27 but was delayed, then is was supposed to be released on 8/15 and it was sent to all the review sites like Hi-Def digest and DVDtown. On 8/14 it was announced that it was delayed again but has never been reannounced, because FOX took over MGM distribution.

I checked ebay, half.com and amazon every day for the last 3 months because I knew it was out there somewhere, and last week was the first time I actually saw it for sale.

Its the 102 min edition of the film.

I WILL POST PICS IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES

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I only have a camera phone with me at the moment so it really wont do the screen shots any justice but if you still want screenshots from my camera phone just tell me.

Cool, thanks! You got a collector's item right there if this movie gets re-mastered and re-released with the more desirable Unrated edition; should have bought two (one to watch and another to eBay at a later date).

That IS cool.
I'll wait for the unrated, however...

Damn lucky...!

Isn't this the same Robocop disc that got the worst pic quality reveiw ever for Blu-Ray? I was waiting for the Fox re-release in hopes of them fixing the pic quality. Interesting.

Isn't this the same Robocop disc that got the worst pic quality reveiw ever for Blu-Ray? I was waiting for the Fox re-release in hopes of them fixing the pic quality. Interesting.
It was pulled at the last minute for distributing conflicts... but of course, some people took that as being pulled because of a poor transfer.

I seriously doubt this looking bad

I noted one review saying massive macroblocking and pixelization, "just like Memento" was mentioned

WTF! :(

Crack must be getting stronger these days because there is no such instance of anything like that on the Memento release, which I have went over with a fine tooth comb in my Sammy as it is a favorite movie of mine, no macroblocking whatsoever, details are plenty and film grain is intact and sharp

I know **** HDTV and macroblocking, downrezzing and artifacts and I hate it(Directv for example), BR is so far from this **** it is being compared to that it is sickening to read these reviews

these reviews are frankly insulting and are so far off base that it is embarassing :mad:

BR is good, miles above **** :rolleyes:

-Gary

I seriously doubt this looking bad

I noted one review saying massive macroblocking and pixelization, "just like Memento" was mentioned

WTF! :(

Crack must be getting stronger these days because there is no such instance of anything like that on the Memento release, which I have went over with a fine tooth comb in my Sammy as it is a favorite movie of mine, no macroblocking whatsoever, details are plenty and film grain is intact and sharp

I know **** HDTV and macroblocking, downrezzing and artifacts and I hate it(Directv for example), BR is so far from this **** it is being compared to that it is sickening to read these reviews

these reviews are frankly insulting and are so far off base that it is embarassing :mad:

BR is good, miles above **** :rolleyes:

-Gary

I agree. There are ALOT of reviews for BD that are really out of line or make no sense. I found that highdefdigest.com is the place I tend to agree with the most. Dvdtalk is usually WAY off the mark on BD reviews as well. Their review of Tears of The Sun blew any credibility they had with me. Have you seen Brothers Grimm yet Gary?

I seriously doubt this looking bad

I noted one review saying massive macroblocking and pixelization, "just like Memento" was mentioned

With all due respect, you haven't seen the disc. It does have severe noise and pixelation problems. I would equate it to the original Highlander DVD, it's that bad. It also has a horrible color transfer that oversaturates all the colors to cartoon levels (flesh tones are frequently bright orange or red). The authoring of this disc was totally incompetent.

I have not seen Memento and can't comment on that disc.

With all due respect, you haven't seen the disc. It does have severe noise and pixelation problems. I would equate it to the original Highlander DVD, it's that bad. It also has a horrible color transfer that oversaturates all the colors to cartoon levels (flesh tones are frequently bright orange or red). The authoring of this disc was totally incompetent.

I have not seen Memento and can't comment on that disc.

All of the reviews I read about Robocop are about the same as what Josh says.

this was pulled for rights reasons or some such, is this the Directors cut? if so I will have to grab it

-Gary
From everything Ive read this was pulled for being miserably bad PQ. "holy crap in a can" was the opinion of one reviewer.


http://www.hdnowonline.com/Bluray_Reviews.html


Reviews of Blu-Ray movies

Here are a selection of the Blu-Ray reviews, to give you an idea of why the format has taken such intense criticism since it’s launch.

RoboCop on Bluray – Joshua Zyber, DVD Talk (note that this release has been yanked by MGM and they have also moved their home distribution from Sony to Fox) - “Holy crap in a can, this disc looks horrible! I've written a couple of previous Blu-ray reviews where I'd called certain discs the worst High Definition image I'd ever seen, thinking HD couldn't possibly get any worse, but here Sony just keeps lowering the bar for the format. The RoboCop Blu-ray is U-G-L-Y. …The problems with this disc all stem from the video transfer and the Blu-ray authoring. RoboCop is not supposed to look like this. No movie is supposed to look like this. …they oversharpened it with artificial edge enhancement and pumped up the colors way beyond their photographic intentions. As a result, colors are oversaturated throughout the film; flesh tones are frequently orange or red and look unnatural. Metallic silvers are often shaded deep blue. It looks ridiculous, like a cartoon version of the movie. The contrast range is also distorted, with black levels that crush shadow detail and whites clipped on the high end. The edge enhancement is liberally applied and halos are visible all over the place. The Blu-ray image would be considered reasonably sharp by DVD standards but rarely has the detail or depth of good High Definition. …Sadly, the awful color transfer is just the beginning. The Blu-ray authoring for RoboCop is a compression nightmare. I almost cannot believe how incompetent the work done here is. This is by far the worst digital compression I've ever seen on any High Definition format, and in fact it's been years since I've seen even a regular DVD this bad. Do you remember that notorious original DVD release of Highlander? That's what this looks like. Yes, it's really that bad! This is VCD-quality hackwork. Numerous scenes throughout the film are swarming with compression noise and gigantic pixelation blocks. These cannot be confused with film grain; they're purely digital artifacts, and they're obscene. …his Blu-ray release is an embarrassment. The people responsible for it should hang their heads in shame and never work in the industry again. …The results are underwhelming. The track sounds very much like an artificial 5.1 mix, with hollow ambience and gimmicky directional steering. Fidelity is shrill and bass is weak. It sounds OK in general, but color me unimpressed. The PCM track offers little to no audible improvement over the DD 5.1. Since PCM eats up a huge chunk of disc space, this wasteful audio format is largely responsible for the terrible video quality we get on discs like RoboCop. Shame on you again, Sony.”

I agree. There are ALOT of reviews for BD that are really out of line or make no sense. I found that highdefdigest.com is the place I tend to agree with the most.

Ok, here (http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/robocop.html) is their review for Robocop-

The Video: Sizing Up the Picture

From the review-
'I was quite excited to see 'RoboCop' make its debut on a high-def format. Even the best of the myriad of previous DVD releases left me a bit disappointed, as all were minted from dated, dirty prints and just did not reflect the level of care and concern needed to craft a great remaster. Alas, this first-ever Blu-ray release continues 'RoboCop's losing streak, with a genuinely poor visual presentation whose flaws are only exacerbated by the high resolution of HD. And even more of a bummer, Sony doesn't even include the unrated director's cut of the film -- only the 102-minute R-rated version (not that the film isn't bloody enough).

The most recent DVD release of 'RoboCop' came from MGM, and this Blu-ray transfer looks as if it was sourced from the same master. Though I am more than content that a film from 1987 would look grainy, there is a fair amount of dirt and blemishes on the print as well. (Faring the worst are any effects shots involving mattes or stop-motion animation -- they look pretty dreadful.) Colors suffer from a dated and inconsistent appearance -- oversaturated and plugged up one moment, faded the next. Fleshtones are also often wildly inaccurate, with some scenes appearing so out-of-whack that the faces of actors looked like they were drawn with red crayon. Detail is also poor, with the image flat and two-dimensional throughout. Shadow delineation is even worse, with darker areas falling off into black and little fine detail visible. Some edge enhancement appears to have been liberally applied as well, with slight halos visible around sharply-contrasted objects. '

I found it on sale on amazon for $22 ..... I recieved it today and was pleasently surprised.

Whoever likes this movie should periodically check amazon & ebay to get this awesome movie.

This really confuses me about Amazon. I ordered Robocop (Blu-ray) from Amazon on July 20, 2006 and just checked the status of my order which now states:

Items not yet shipped:
Delivery estimate: December 12, 2006
• 1 of: Robocop [Blu-ray]
Sold by: Amazon.com

Why would they sell it like that when they have people who already have pre-orders in?

Paul

it was amazon marketplace, an independent seller selling stuff on amazon.

Ah! Thanks for the clarification. :cool:

this was pulled because of the film switching from Sony to Fox with the MGM catalog transfer, there was a press release that Fox would release it soon

yes I wish I did own it so I could comment, I was merely stating that reading all these BR reviews is a total waste of time as they are way off base and if it applied to everything else why not Robocop? :) this disc could be total ****, but the OP said it wasn't

I read some of those same type reviews for Memento and others like Silent Hill, both of which are great, I tought Silent Hill was a stellar release in fact

more bad reviews are Species, Terminator and Total Recall, all of which are beyond great

TK I don't have Grimm yet, I will eventually get around to grabbing it though, I hear it is good :D

-Gary

Ok, here (http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/robocop.html) is their review for Robocop-

The Video: Sizing Up the Picture

From the review-
'I was quite excited to see 'RoboCop' make its debut on a high-def format. Even the best of the myriad of previous DVD releases left me a bit disappointed, as all were minted from dated, dirty prints and just did not reflect the level of care and concern needed to craft a great remaster. Alas, this first-ever Blu-ray release continues 'RoboCop's losing streak, with a genuinely poor visual presentation whose flaws are only exacerbated by the high resolution of HD. And even more of a bummer, Sony doesn't even include the unrated director's cut of the film -- only the 102-minute R-rated version (not that the film isn't bloody enough).

The most recent DVD release of 'RoboCop' came from MGM, and this Blu-ray transfer looks as if it was sourced from the same master. Though I am more than content that a film from 1987 would look grainy, there is a fair amount of dirt and blemishes on the print as well. (Faring the worst are any effects shots involving mattes or stop-motion animation -- they look pretty dreadful.) Colors suffer from a dated and inconsistent appearance -- oversaturated and plugged up one moment, faded the next. Fleshtones are also often wildly inaccurate, with some scenes appearing so out-of-whack that the faces of actors looked like they were drawn with red crayon. Detail is also poor, with the image flat and two-dimensional throughout. Shadow delineation is even worse, with darker areas falling off into black and little fine detail visible. Some edge enhancement appears to have been liberally applied as well, with slight halos visible around sharply-contrasted objects. '


I'm just saying that alot of dvdtalks BD reviews are debatable in my opinion. Not ALL of them. I just tend to agree more with another websites opinion. As I stated in the beginning of this post...I referred to this title as having a really botched transfer. I am in no way saying that it is a good looking title. I know how bad Highlander looks and coincidentally that was the first disc I bought on DVD that made me wince in pain. So anything being even remotely referred to as looking like Highlander can't be good. ;)

As bad as Highlander was (and it was total crap), I'd have to say that Fox Lorber in general is even worse.

I'm impressed that somebody has managed to achieve these levels of crapness with an HD disc.

At best this is a collector's item. Since it was pulled from release before being sold, it should not be taken to be an indication of Blu-Ray, Sony, MGM, the movie itself, or anything else in terms of quality.

I suggest we wait until we have real product in hand. There will be plenty of time to comment then.

IF I find it Im gonna slip in into the Sammy at BB since its so good. LOL

yes I wish I did own it so I could comment, I was merely stating that reading all these BR reviews is a total waste of time as they are way off base and if it applied to everything else why not Robocop? :) this disc could be total ****, but the OP said it wasn't

I read some of those same type reviews for Memento and others like Silent Hill, both of which are great, I tought Silent Hill was a stellar release in fact

Gary, I'm not trying to call you out or anything (I enjoy your posts and have nothing negative to say about you), but you are the one who said there weren't any jaggies on any of Warner's 1080i-mastered discs when many other people (myself included) see them clear as day. You also admitted to preferring dirt and grit on the disc source elements because they remind you of ratty film prints, and don't seem to be overly bothered by compression artifacts and digital noise.

Silent Hill is a very uneven disc. Certain sections look great, many others are soft and flat. There's a lot of noise throughout, edge enhancement is present in several noticeable places, the contrast range has been compressed on both the high and low ends (milky blacks and dull whites), and all of the scenes outside of Silent Hill have weirdly oversaturated colors. "Stellar" is not a word I would ever use to describe it.

My point to this is that I think you just have different standards for what constitutes "good" picture quality than, well, certainly I do. I believe that every movie should be presented at its best possible quality, as if we were watching a pristine print just struck off the best internegative. Dirt is unacceptable, unless it's embedded in old optical compositing processes and unremovable. Digital noise, compression artifacts, and edge enhancement are always unacceptable. Artificially manipulated colors and contrasts are unacceptable unless it's clear that they're part of the filmmakers' intentions (which is not clear in the case of Silent Hill, and is certainly not correct for Robocop).

If you're enjoying every single thing you see on Blu-ray, more power to you. I'm glad you're getting the most out of your purchase. I personally feel that we should press the studios to always provide us the best possible quality that they can, and saying that a mediocre disc is "good enough" just encourages complacency.

My $.02. I hope you don't take this the wrong way, because it wasn't intended as argumentative.

FWIW, there was a review of Robocop at the time that included some pictures. In the pictures, there is blue sky that is full of big blobs of varying blue colors. It was terrible.

FWIW, there was a review of Robocop at the time that included some pictures. In the pictures, there is blue sky that is full of big blobs of varying blue colors. It was terrible.

Yes, that was my review.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=23110

Unfortunately, the picture isn't large enough to really show the extent of the problem.

I believe that every movie should be presented at its best possible quality, as if we were watching a pristine print just struck off the best internegative. Dirt is unacceptable, unless it's embedded in old optical compositing processes and unremovable. Digital noise, compression artifacts, and edge enhancement are always unacceptable. Artificially manipulated colors and contrasts are unacceptable unless it's clear that they're part of the filmmakers' intentions.

I personally feel that we should press the studios to always provide us the best possible quality that they can, and saying that mediocre disc is "good enough" just encourages complacency.


Couldn't say it better myself... :)

Well, if Fox is releasing it then it will at least have a lossless audio track. So far all of the MGM titles will include DTS Master Audio. Hopefully, they re-do the transfer too.

The Sony/MGM RoboCop disc has PCM audio. Due to limitations in the original source and the failures of MGM's gimmicky 5.1 remix, it doesn't offer any audible improvement over the standard Dolby Digital track to my ears.

Just got my copy of Robocop on Blu-Ray. Going to watch it tonight.

I can't believe people are still finding this disc. I'm tempted to find one just for collector's sake.

Same here... I love the movie also... but it would be a good collectors item...

more bad reviews are Species, Terminator and Total Recall, all of which are beyond great

-Gary


If you think Total Recall is "Beyond Great", then there are problems here.

Just got my copy of Robocop on Blu-Ray. Going to watch it tonight.


Spizz! How did it look?

:)

Despite what was said in this thread I was quite happy with it compared to my DVD version.

Cool, mate!
You've got a nifty and rare collectable there!

;) d

Anyone want to take some snap shots I am rather interested! Thanks in advanced if anyone does.

hey guys

I just realized that my pics on my old post dont work anymore (not sure why) so I am gonna repost them with new screenshots so you guys can see what the robocop blu-ray looks like.

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After seeing the unrated cut, I could never watch the rated version again.

What are the additions to the unrated cut? Thanks.

The oversaturation is a pet peeve of mine. Anyone who saw the original film in any form knows that the Robosuit is silver in the first movie. Maybe whomever supervised the transfer didn't know that.

What are the additions to the unrated cut? Thanks.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093870/alternateversions

imperfect as it may be, it is a HELL of a cool collector's item.

Just thought I'd resurrect this thread since the upcoming(?) Fox Blu-ray is causing much discussion.

I'd still love to find the Sony edition...

Also I like how it actually features a few solid supplements, unlike the Fox BD. Plus the PCM track could have made a cool comparison to the DTS-HD MA on the Fox...

Plus the PCM track could have made a cool comparison to the DTS-HD MA on the Fox...Unless you can decode it it's going to be mighty hard to compare to the PCM track...

Unless you can decode it it's going to be mighty hard to compare to the PCM track...
"Eventually";)