Ok, so the problems have started to pop-up.

PLEASE, if you vote on this poll, specify what you chose and what panel you have in the thread below.

I've got a 40" XBR2. It fails on the VGA. It works on component -- but I picked fails-both, because we have no actual 1080p content on the system for component cables. DVDs won't upscale on component, HD-DVDs won't play 1080p on component, component is basically useless for anything except 1080p games... of which there are none. I'd call that a colossal fail.

Praying for a patch, but doubting one's coming given this is a Sony set...

Well i'm pretty upset with the whole situation. I own a SXRD A2000 and it only accepts 1080P thru HDMI. So of course I tried setting the 360 to 1080P thru component anyways and of course it didn't take it. I haven't tried VGA yet, but i'm hearing my TV won't take 1080P thru VGA either. So I guess the only way I can play 1080P is if I get a PS3 (and I don't want one). So unfortunately this update is useless for me. I spent over three grand on a 1080P TV and microsoft won't let me use it.....AAHHHHHHH!!!!! :(

I've got a 42" Westy and it work fine over VGA. It took maybe 2 seconds to auto calibrate (66H X 59V) when I initially changed it. Now I am enjoying my 1080P set with a 1080P input!!! About time!!

By the way, Thanks to Microsoft for giving me a free upconvert DVD player!! Good thing I didnt buy one.

I watched a movie and it was still outputting 1080P so all is good with the Westy and VGA!

BTW,
I didnt try component and I dont think Im going to.

Well i'm pretty upset with the whole situation. I own a SXRD A2000 and it only accepts 1080P thru HDMI. So of course I tried setting the 360 to 1080P thru component anyways and of course it didn't take it. I haven't tried VGA yet, but i'm hearing my TV won't take 1080P thru VGA either. So I guess the only way I can play 1080P is if I get a PS3 (and I don't want one). So unfortunately this update is useless for me. I spent over three grand on a 1080P TV and microsoft won't let me use it.....AAHHHHHHH!!!!! :(

Microsoft please listen to your fans! It makes sense!!

Todd Holmdahl: Xbox 360 will support HD component video output, which is compatible with nearly every HD-ready TV on the market today. We’re poised to hit the sweet spot of the HD market at launch and as the market matures, and we will provide an HDMI for our customers when it makes sense. The reality is, you don’t need HDMI for HD gaming.

Well i'm pretty upset with the whole situation. I own a SXRD A2000 and it only accepts 1080P thru HDMI. So of course I tried setting the 360 to 1080P thru component anyways and of course it didn't take it. I haven't tried VGA yet, but i'm hearing my TV won't take 1080P thru VGA either. So I guess the only way I can play 1080P is if I get a PS3 (and I don't want one). So unfortunately this update is useless for me. I spent over three grand on a 1080P TV and microsoft won't let me use it.....AAHHHHHHH!!!!! :(

Yes I think MS should have the HDMI, but with your TV, Sony has some blame in this also. They could have made it 1080P over VGA, but choose not to. MS never said 1080P at first. I didn't want to spend all that money on a 1080P last year, so I went with the 50A10 which is 720P and I have no regrets. It's just the gamble we all take when buying new technology.........

I have a Mits 52628.....it only accepts 1080p over IEEE 1394, so until the 360 has a FireWire cable, I'm SOL with 1080p....

MS is not responsible for you not having 1080P, your sets manufacturer is.

Would it be nice if every 360 had an HDMI port? Not as nice as it would be for every PS3 to have HD DVD so we could have the best looking movies possible on it. Nor as as nice as it would be for the Wii to offer 720P.

No product has everything, so buy them all :)

Has anyone tried it with a Dell 2407? I have my 360 hooked via component and wanted to know if that will work with 1080p or should I go purchase a VGA cable. Didn't have enough time this morning to check it out.

Damn all I have read is how Sony got some people on the VGA input. When I was trying to make a decision a HDTV it was between the A2000 and the HLS. I'm so glad I went with the HLS. Some poeple posted in the A2000 thread that even with the VGA input that they couldn't resive the image to fit the screen and were stuck with the black border. Man that sucks and its surely Sony is to blame. I kinda think they did it on purpose.

Damn all I have read is how Sony got some people on the VGA input. When I was trying to make a decision a HDTV it was between the A2000 and the HLS. I'm so glad I went with the HLS. Some poeple posted in the A2000 thread that even with the VGA input that they couldn't resive the image to fit the screen and were stuck with the black border. Man that sucks and its surely Sony is to blame. I kinda think they did it on purpose.

I believe it was on purpose, of course, they think everyone with a sony 1080P tv is going to have to buy a PS3 now for 1080P...but im not going for it. I don't want the PS3 or a Blu-ray player (I like HD-DVD). Sorry Sony you make a sweet TV, but stop trying to be a monopoly.

Neither works. Sony Pearl.

doesnt work at all with both on Sony XBR2 60"

1st post ever in the Xbox Area.

I JUST bought a Sony 46XBR3 for the sole purpose of 1080p via HDMI from PS3, and 1080p via VGA from Xbox 360. Haven't gotten a 360 yet, but I was going to when Gears of War comes out.

All this news of 1080p via VGA not working is starting to really get frustrating. Dammit!

thank god i chose the samsung 4095d and not the 40xbr2.... phew....

I've got a 40" XBR2. It fails on the VGA. It works on component -- but I picked fails-both, because we have no actual 1080p content on the system for component cables. DVDs won't upscale on component, HD-DVDs won't play 1080p on component, component is basically useless for anything except 1080p games... of which there are none. I'd call that a colossal fail.

Praying for a patch, but doubting one's coming given this is a Sony set...

Okay, so you connected via component as well. So when you press 'display' on your TV, it says 1080p? Just curious, I want to play games on 1080p; HD DVD 1080p playback would be nice. But games in 1080p is what I need! If component works, then thank you. For now.....

MS is not responsible for you not having 1080P, your sets manufacturer is.

Except we don't know for sure if that is the issue or not. Unless Sony is outright lying (which admittely is a possibility), the XBR2/3 should be fine with what the 360 outputs at 1080p.

I don't know. What I do know is the Sony set has been out for months, and the dashboard update has been out for about 12 hours. I hope someone isn't silly enough to suggest that MS didn't test the 1080p functionality with multiple sets/brands.

I only use VGA with both my 360's so that is all I have tried and will use. It works fine on my 1080P Samsung DLP(HLR6168) and my Gateway 1680x1050P(21" widescreen) monitor at 1080P.

Except we don't know for sure if that is the issue or not. Unless Sony is outright lying (which admittely is a possibility), the XBR2/3 should be fine with what the 360 outputs at 1080p.

I don't know. What I do know is the Sony set has been out for months, and the dashboard update has been out for about 12 hours. I hope someone isn't silly enough to suggest that MS didn't test the 1080p functionality with multiple sets/brands.


That is where I am at. You can't tell me that they didn't know about this. There are only so many 1080p sets to test it on. And if they tested with any of the Sony's they would have seen the issue. Has REALLY turned me off from Microsoft and the 360. I was getting ready to jump on the HD-DVD bandwagon. This just gives me a bad taste in my mouth.

That is where I am at. You can't tell me that they didn't know about this. There are only so many 1080p sets to test it on. And if they tested with any of the Sony's they would have seen the issue. Has REALLY turned me off from Microsoft and the 360. I was getting ready to jump on the HD-DVD bandwagon. This just gives me a bad taste in my mouth.

I'm with you on that, brotha!

Has anyone with a sony verified that their tv's WILL actually accept 1080p over VGA or component? That will be a crucial point is determining if the Xbox is at fault or the tv. Samsung owner's so far seem to be doing ok (with 1 exception reported so far by JBran24). Remember also that 1080p over component is for games only, not DVD's or HD-DVD's.

Samsung HLS6187. Everything works like a dream. I was late for work because I couldn't pull myself away from the DVD up conversion quality through VGA.

honestly can one of you sit down in front of two tvs the same brand, settings and tell which picture was 1080p and which was 1080i ? i highly doubt it

I was going to buy an SXRD set until I found out it won't do 1080p over VGA. So instead I bought their 46" project LCD Grand WEGA TV. It isn't 1080p, but it sure is beautiful. I'll worry about 1080p in a couple years when all the TV's have been in competition for a while.

VGA works on a westinghouse 37w1, haven't tried component as the 37w1 doesn't accept 1080p via that anyways. I have found that WMV videos that are 1080p are only playing in a 4:3 form, and I can't get the TV to stretch the image, even by going to a fill mode. Others are reporting this same issue.

can i get 1080p with my samsung hl-r5668w thru vga?

It works on my HLR6168 so it should work on your HLR5668 since they are the same model just different sizes.

great! i will buy one today and try it out.
thanks.

1080p works fine for me over component, have not had a chance to try over VGA yet but will tonight when I get home. I'm currently using a TEAC LCD3735A 1920x1080 LCD.

That is where I am at. You can't tell me that they didn't know about this. There are only so many 1080p sets to test it on. And if they tested with any of the Sony's they would have seen the issue. Has REALLY turned me off from Microsoft and the 360. I was getting ready to jump on the HD-DVD bandwagon. This just gives me a bad taste in my mouth.

This doesn't mean that it's Microsoft's fault. They could have tested the 360 with all the Sony sets. If the tv doesn't accept a 1080p signal via component or has underscan via VGA that's the TV's manufacterer's fault. The 360 is outputting the 1920x1080 resolution signal Microsoft said it would on the outputs Microsoft said it would.

There apparently are some TV companies that got it right with the VGA input. Sony didn't. But the problem with even having a 1080p issue is that it really only applies to a very, very, small market. Very few people own a 1080p set. Even less who own that 1080p set also own a 360.

At this point, just be happy you are in the few that even have the option to enjoy 720p/1080i HD.

Vga at 1080p on my Mitts 65831 looks washed out.

Does not work on component.

This doesn't mean that it's Microsoft's fault. They could have tested the 360 with all the Sony sets. If the tv doesn't accept a 1080p signal via component or has underscan via VGA that's the TV's manufacterer's fault. The 360 is outputting the 1920x1080 resolution signal Microsoft said it would on the outputs Microsoft said it would.

There apparently are some TV companies that got it right with the VGA input. Sony didn't. But the problem with even having a 1080p issue is that it really only applies to a very, very, small market. Very few people own a 1080p set. Even less who own that 1080p set also own a 360.

At this point, just be happy you are in the few that even have the option to enjoy 720p/1080i HD.

Well said! I have a Sony and It's not MS fault that Sony's only except 1080P via HDMI. I'm more pissed at Sony then MS.

:mad:

No go on my MD5880 HP DLP tv, it is suppose to be able to handle 1080p over component but doesn't. I've tried both inputs also, Component 1 and Component 2, haven't tried VGA because I don't have the cable for it.

Well said! I have a Sony and It's not MS fault that Sony's only except 1080P via HDMI. I'm more pissed at Sony then MS.

Chris, check out the owner's thread for the XBR2/3. 1080p over VGA from HTPC has been confirmed.

The fact that 1080p over VGA from Xbox360 (with update) doesn't work seems a bit strange, don't you think?

Given this information about 1080p over VGA from HTPC, can you still say it's Sony's fault? Just curious.

Chris, check out the owner's thread for the XBR2/3. 1080p over VGA from HTPC has been confirmed.

The fact that 1080p over VGA from Xbox360 (with update) doesn't work seems a bit strange, don't you think?

Given this information about 1080p over VGA from HTPC, can you still say it's Sony's fault? Just curious.

QFT. I think most of us either were or are now cognizant of the fact that 1080p is not going to fly on an XBR2/3 via component.

Where Microsoft seems to have made an error is in the VGA department. Other devices work fine at 1080p via that input, so it would appear the ball is in Microsoft's court at this point.

QFT. I think most of us either were or are now cognizant of the fact that 1080p is not going to fly on an XBR2/3 via component.

Where Microsoft seems to have made an error is in the VGA department. Other devices work fine at 1080p via that input, so it would appear the ball is in Microsoft's court at this point.

TV Casualty, now I remember where I've seen your name before. D62u! I bought it when it came out. HORRIBLE banding issues, beautiful picture. Oh well, 46XBR3 for me.

Just curious, what was QFT mean? Noobie noobie = me

VGA works on a westinghouse 37w1, haven't tried component as the 37w1 doesn't accept 1080p via that anyways. I have found that WMV videos that are 1080p are only playing in a 4:3 form, and I can't get the TV to stretch the image, even by going to a fill mode. Others are reporting this same issue.

Hi dfmcki,


does 1080p (vga) look better than 1080i (component) consider it is only 37".
does it look wash out?

I use a labtop to upscale dvd to 1080p to westy, and it look okay.

Thx,
B

If you are bothered by Microsoft's lack of HDMI support (which I personally am), might I suggest you politely contact Microsoft's Xbox360 hardware support and politely let them know of this fact.

Microsoft Xbox360 Hardware Support
http://support.xbox.com/eform.aspx?productKey=xbox360hw&page=support_home_options_form_byemail&ct=eformts&locale=en-us

Microsoft is company that listens to its customers. The more of us that clamor for HDMI support, the sooner it will arrive. Please tell Microsoft politely that VGA and component 1080p support does not work for a large number of popular 1080p TVs. The Xbox 360 is the only mass-market device I can think of that outputs 1080p over component while lacking HDMI. Many people complained about the original Xbox's large controllers, and they came out with a smaller version. Microsoft thought about skipping Xbox compatibility with the Xbox 360, but when people complained they came up with a partial emulator solution. Microsoft does listen, just make sure to contact them so that they will hear you. I already contacted Microsoft support about this awhile ago.

Be clear on this, this is NOT Sony's fault (or JVC). Many 1080p TVs do not accept 1080p over component, and VGA support for computers is not usually the primary application. Microsoft needs to address this issue, not TV manufacturers.

Neither works. Sony Pearl.

Doesn't the pearl not take 1080p60 over VGA anyway (thought it was DVI and HDMI only)? It should take the 1080i60 via component and display at 1080p96 though with IVT, for HD DVD sourced material. I guess you are out of luck for SD DVD upscaling though. No 1080p60 over component doesn't surprise me either (not in the spec).

It sounds like you are in my boat, where I would be happy if 1080p24 via VGA is ultimately supported.

Well i'm pretty upset with the whole situation. I own a SXRD A2000 and it only accepts 1080P thru HDMI. So of course I tried setting the 360 to 1080P thru component anyways and of course it didn't take it. I haven't tried VGA yet, but i'm hearing my TV won't take 1080P thru VGA either. So I guess the only way I can play 1080P is if I get a PS3 (and I don't want one). So unfortunately this update is useless for me. I spent over three grand on a 1080P TV and microsoft won't let me use it.....AAHHHHHHH!!!!! :(


Dont be so disappointed...you werent gonna notice a difference anyways. Your TV isnt great because of the "P", its great because it displays 1080 at its full resolution, P or i. There is no upscaling involved. Im certainly no expert, but its almost disturbing how mis-informed people are on this whole topic.

Both VGA and Component work fine on Samsung 4095D. Both look great but I like the Component better.

Damn all I have read is how Sony got some people on the VGA input. When I was trying to make a decision a HDTV it was between the A2000 and the HLS. I'm so glad I went with the HLS. Some poeple posted in the A2000 thread that even with the VGA input that they couldn't resive the image to fit the screen and were stuck with the black border. Man that sucks and its surely Sony is to blame. I kinda think they did it on purpose.

We are in the same boat..i did my research about the A2000 in the same thread and i went ahead with the HLS.....it sucks for the people that are having problems tho, i would be mad too..

I have a mitsubishi, component doesnt work with 1080p, and vga, the colors looked washed out, we should all email microsoft for a HDMI cable. i already did :D we neeed HDMI!! YEY! cmon!

I have a mitsubishi, component doesnt work with 1080p, and vga, the colors looked washed out, we should all email microsoft for a HDMI cable. i already did :D we neeed HDMI!! YEY! cmon!

I've emailed them twice so far ;)

Chris, check out the owner's thread for the XBR2/3. 1080p over VGA from HTPC has been confirmed.

The fact that 1080p over VGA from Xbox360 (with update) doesn't work seems a bit strange, don't you think?

Given this information about 1080p over VGA from HTPC, can you still say it's Sony's fault? Just curious.


No need to be curious. The XBR2/3 doesn't accept 1080p24. It's apparent that Sony didn't do whatever Samsung did with its VGA input. Whatever that was done with RGB inputs, once again, other manufacterers got it right, Sony didn't.

Don't blame just Sony. Some Mitsubishi sets only accept 1080p via 1394. There's a fat chance that those owners are ever gonna get to utilize that anytime soon.

I've emailed them twice so far ;)

I also have emailed them twice. Petition Time!

I own the Samsung 5088W and all works perfectly! VGA color space does still suck though. I'm using Compo for my connection atm.

doesnt work on my HP5880 and its listed as accepting and displaying 1080p over component. I got nothin but a blank screen.

That is where I am at. You can't tell me that they didn't know about this. There are only so many 1080p sets to test it on. And if they tested with any of the Sony's they would have seen the issue. Has REALLY turned me off from Microsoft and the 360. I was getting ready to jump on the HD-DVD bandwagon. This just gives me a bad taste in my mouth.


Not sure why you think this is MS fault for your display.

both inputs work on my 42" westy, haven't had a chance to really look for a difference

Tried 1080p over component on my sony 50A10 no picture what gives?

Well i'm pretty upset with the whole situation. I own a SXRD A2000 and it only accepts 1080P thru HDMI. So of course I tried setting the 360 to 1080P thru component anyways and of course it didn't take it. I haven't tried VGA yet, but i'm hearing my TV won't take 1080P thru VGA either. So I guess the only way I can play 1080P is if I get a PS3 (and I don't want one). So unfortunately this update is useless for me. I spent over three grand on a 1080P TV and microsoft won't let me use it.....AAHHHHHHH!!!!! :(

Ummm, sounds to me like Sony and they 3k TV are the ones not letting you use it.

Cheers,

Richard

That is where I am at. You can't tell me that they didn't know about this. There are only so many 1080p sets to test it on. And if they tested with any of the Sony's they would have seen the issue. Has REALLY turned me off from Microsoft and the 360. I was getting ready to jump on the HD-DVD bandwagon. This just gives me a bad taste in my mouth.

Again it sure sounds like it is working for most people except those that own Sony's so it sure seems like the Xbox is outputing the signal, but the Sony's aren't interpreting it properly.

Cheers,

Richard

I've got a 40" XBR2. It fails on the VGA. It works on component -- but I picked fails-both, because we have no actual 1080p content on the system for component cables. DVDs won't upscale on component, HD-DVDs won't play 1080p on component, component is basically useless for anything except 1080p games... of which there are none. I'd call that a colossal fail.

God forbid progress happens outside of your timeline. Some people always have something to complain about.

Praying for a patch, but doubting one's coming given this is a Sony set...

Does anyone make you happy?

Dont be so disappointed...you werent gonna notice a difference anyways. Your TV isnt great because of the "P", its great because it displays 1080 at its full resolution, P or i. There is no upscaling involved. Im certainly no expert, but its almost disturbing how mis-informed people are on this whole topic.

+1

My Westy LVM37w1 does not work. It seems like some Westy's work but others don't (with both inputs checked..specifically vga). It works fine on PC 1080P.

Sigh.

D

Working great on my HL-S5687.

For me it came down to the Samsung HLS or the Sony A2000. I'm very happy with my decision!

Component and VGA doesn't work on my HP MD5880n (1080p). Confirmed by others as well.

TV: Westintghouse LVM-37W3

component: artifacts, color shades very brigth and washed out

VGA: solid, notice more detail in caracters, no complains

Tried 1080p over component on my sony 50A10 no picture what gives?

The Sony A10's are 720p, not 1080p.

Dont be so disappointed...you werent gonna notice a difference anyways. Your TV isnt great because of the "P", its great because it displays 1080 at its full resolution, P or i. There is no upscaling involved. Im certainly no expert, but its almost disturbing how mis-informed people are on this whole topic.


Well, it all depends on if his tv deinterlaces 1080i correctly. If it does, he shouldn't see a difference. If it doesn't deinterlace correctly, he could see a big difference.

Well, it all depends on if his tv deinterlaces 1080i correctly. If it does, he shouldn't see a difference. If it doesn't deinterlace correctly, he could see a big difference.

Well, its the Sony SXRD 55A2000 and I don't know the answer to that, whether it does it correctly or not. Can anyone with the A2000 answer this?

Sharp Aquos LC-46D62U owner chiming in. I get 1080p over component (looks fantastic), but DVD playback over component is still at 480p. That really bummed me out to see the input pop-up change to 480p from 1080p when inserting a DVD.

I have no VGA inputs on this panel. Depending on MS's followup, I may see about Xbox VGA>Component options.

The HD-WMV w/WMP11 is unfortunate as well, and I doubt they will ever support any other formats that currently play in WMP11 like HD Xvid...

Samsung HL-S5679W 56" LED DLP HDTV and Xbox 360:

1080p over Component looks and works great; 1080i wasn't bad either
1080p over VGA (just got a cable yesterday) looks and works great too; DVDs look great

VGA colors look as good as component which were great to begin with. To me, VGA may look every so slightly better than Component but not by much. Those with larger screens, especially front projectors should chime in here.

1080p over Component, VGA and HDMI working well on the HL-S5679W. I believe FireWire could do it too but only have 1080i source for it (of course everything is displayed at 1080p anyway).

Guys how about BenQ DV3750 ???

I don't have a 1080p television (coming soon!) but I do have a Dell 2405FPW 24" monitor that puts out 1920x1200 rez and it outputs 1080p over VGA from the 360.

The HD movies look great and the upscaled movies aren't too shabby either.

Is there anyone on here using the 24" Dell also?

I have a Sony KDS-R70XBR2 (the new 70" SXRD set). When using a Component cable, I can get 1080i, but not 1080p, which is expected, as Sony only supports 1080p via HDMI and VGA. When using a VGA cable, I can't get 1920x1080 and can get the lower res settings OK. When Set to 1920x1080, the image is chopped.

I understand that with the NEW update (12/4 ?) many Sony LCD sets are now working via VGA, but as of last night, I'm still SOL for 1080p.

FWIW,
-b

I have a Sony KDS-R70XBR2 (the new 70" SXRD set). When using a Component cable, I can get 1080i, but not 1080p, which is expected, as Sony only supports 1080p via HDMI and VGA. When using a VGA cable, I can't get 1920x1080 and can get the lower res settings OK. When Set to 1920x1080, the image is chopped.

I understand that with the NEW update (12/4 ?) many Sony LCD sets are now working via VGA, but as of last night, I'm still SOL for 1080p.

FWIW,
-b

when you get the lower res settings to work, do they expand to fill the screen? or do you get black borders at every res via vga? if it would pass the 720p correctly, at least we'd see it (360) doing some upconversion via the vga (not that this is necessarily better than letting the tv do all of the upconverting)

I have a Sammy HLS5087 and started using VGA recently (since I got the HD-DVD add on ) it works with both component and VGA. However, VGA is a lot crispier and vibrant. I haven't tried a DVD on the HD-DVD player to see if it's upscaling, I will try tonight.

I have a Sammy HLS5087 and started using VGA recently (since I got the HD-DVD add on ) it works with both component and VGA. However, VGA is a lot crispier and vibrant. I haven't tried a DVD on the HD-DVD player to see if it's upscaling, I will try tonight.

the 360 " upscales" from the regular drive, but it only works (upscales) via vga. it puts out 480 via comp for an sd disk.

when you get the lower res settings to work, do they expand to fill the screen? or do you get black borders at every res via vga? if it would pass the 720p correctly, at least we'd see it (360) doing some upconversion via the vga (not that this is necessarily better than letting the tv do all of the upconverting)
On this set, the VGA always displays 1:1, so the image is in the center of the screen w/ black borders. If I use 720p on component, the set will scale that.

On this set, the VGA always displays 1:1, so the image is in the center of the screen w/ black borders. If I use 720p on component, the set will scale that.

thanks, that's what i was looking for. now i'm just waiting for another member to run a 1080p vga test via htpc to see if it "can" fill the screen via vga.

I didn't vote yet because I plan on buying a VGA cable and an HD-DVD drive after Christmas, but on my Westinghouse 42w2, I have it hooked up on Component, and 1080p is buggy. I've only activated it with Saints Row (720p/1080i native game) and the image gets random flickering and lines through it. It's playable unless you view the map, then the screen goes completely garbled until you switch to another tab or leave that menu. Dashboard looks great in 1080p though. I run my 360 in 1080i mode still.

I'm using the Sony Bravia 46 " LCD - KDL46V251L1 from Costco which is the same as the retail model 2500. I have the 12' psychlone VGA cable and am running the 360 @ 1920X1080 resolution, the LCD reports "incompatable signal adjust your pc output" but after tweaking the phase back to 0 it works very well and the message goes away after you press a button.

My set is the Samsung HL-S5087 and I use VGA with it, haven't had any problems so far.

My set is the Samsung HL-S5087 and I use VGA with it, haven't had any problems so far.

Same here... same TV and I have a MS VGA cable. Just got the XBOX for Christmas and had it download the updates immediately. So I only used it a few minutes without that update. But that was on a different TV and just using S-Video for the initial setup (pre-Santa).