hrokling this whole thread explains your issue... try a device other than your xbox 360 @ 1080p. If it works then your projector is one of the many devices that the 360 won't 1080p via vga...

Noob question... sorry, but can someone confirm if the KDL-46XBR2 the same model as the KDL46X2000? I live in Australia and the Sony aus website doesn't mention any xbr models, so I'm confused. Have been searching and reading through these pages for days, and have had most of my questions answered... so thanks!

Am just trying to work out if the KDL46X2000 will display xbox360 at 1080p with the vga cable. If the KDL-46XBR2 IS the same model as the KDL46X2000 then I understand that it will do this.


I ended up answering my own question after another day of research. So for anyone else who is interested, the XBR models are american version, AND are slightly different than those in Australia (have 3 HDMI instead of 2 in aussie version). Sony Australia have advised that 1080p via VGA for X-Box 360 is NOT supported by the Australian model (KDL46X2000). If anyone finds out different PLEASE let me know!

Hey All,

I just bought a Samsung LN-S4695D 46" 1080p LCD. I cannot for the life of me get my computer to work on this. I get an "unsupported Mode" pop up. This is over the VGA connector. The Xbox 360 works flawlessly over the VGA.

When I use a DVI to HDMI on my computer to my TV, it sorta works. I know this is unsupported. The scaling is slightly wrong. When I go into the VGA, the boot process on my computer works fine. Scalling is perfect, but once it hits the desktop, I get an unsupported mode. I have my computer set to 1920x1080 @ 60ghz. I was under the impression this should be working fine. I am unable to get any resolution at all working on my computer to the TV. any idea's?

Nevermind, I figured it out. 1080p works fine over VGA for my TV. I called samsung to verify this. Came home tonight and upped the res on my xbox to 1080p and it worked flawlessly. Then connected via VNC through my laptop to the computer connect to my TV, changed it to 1080P size and it came right up. I did change my VGA cable for a higher gauge one. that might have done the trick. Working perfectly now. Thanks anyway

I ended up answering my own question after another day of research. So for anyone else who is interested, the XBR models are american version, AND are slightly different than those in Australia (have 3 HDMI instead of 2 in aussie version). Sony Australia have advised that 1080p via VGA for X-Box 360 is NOT supported by the Australian model (KDL46X2000). If anyone finds out different PLEASE let me know!Go to www.avforums.com for info on the non-US models. The Euro "W" is comparable to our Sony V2500 and is known to work w/ the 1080p VGA from the Xbox 360 (I go there to confirm stuff that works on our US model). You may want to consider that model. I think the Euro "X" came out before our US XBR2/3's and it may not support 1080p VGA (the "W" and V2500 aren't supposed to either, but it works). Anyway, there's a very extensive thread at that link -- they'll know.

rconn2 - Can't thankyou enough for the reply! Was heading out tomorrow to buy the X2000, and would really prefer 1080p via VGA. Unfortunatley it looks as though you can't buy the W version in Australia, so I may have to buy the X after all...

I can't believe how many models are not brought into Aus... may as well make a 4000" HD panel out of a kangaroo and some VB cans!

poohead: you're welcome! www.avforums.com is a great site (as is avsforum).

what's the success rate with the cheaper aftermarket vga cable kits? i'd like to save a few bones, but you certainly get what you pay for when it comes to cabling. anyone have experience with these?
btw: Westy LVM-37W3 is not supposed to support 1080p via component, but it does, albeit a little foggy. stick with VGA.

Do you have a source for this MS quote?

Most people I know have 1080P working via Component or VGA. I do. Of course, I'm talking about projectors and non Sony displays.

Still, provide a link please...

Thanks,

Mike

that quote was actually most of the sets we tested DID accept 1080p even if the manufacturer didn't put it on the specs, but it was ALWAYS accepted through vga so vga is the safe route.

I seem to have my 360 overscanning on my NEC 9PG Xtra. Works fine from my MacBook, but the Xbox 'wraps' on at least one side, depending on the 'positioning'. It happens with both the VGA, and Component cables. It makes it kinda hard to watch 1080p videos. 1080i is fine, but I can only get that with my component cable.

happy to confirm that 1080p over MS VGA works for the westy LVM-37W3. "washed out" (correctable) and randomly needs to autocal for a few seconds when the 360 boots, but it looks terrific vs. component. oh, and there's significant overscan, easily corrected in the PC menu.

1080p over MS VGA cable doesn't work with the Sharp 92U series. Works fine up to 1360x768 but get invalid signal on the TV @ 1080.

1080p over MS VGA cable works GREAT with SONY 40XBR2.

No 1080p over component on the LG 47LB1DA and the TV does indeed support it.

does the 52xbr2 support 1080p over component, or just the 52xbr3?

Getting my Samsung HLR5678W today. I'll post my results later. Wish me luck!! Come on 1080p through VGA!!!

UPDATE: 1080p works like a charm. Dashboard and gameplay. All I can say is.... WOW!!!

just got the sammy 61 in 687 series. 1080P over vga is GREAT however i only notice a very slight difference from 1080i wiuth crackdown and NFS carbon.

Nevermind, I figured it out. 1080p works fine over VGA for my TV. I called samsung to verify this. Came home tonight and upped the res on my xbox to 1080p and it worked flawlessly. Then connected via VNC through my laptop to the computer connect to my TV, changed it to 1080P size and it came right up. I did change my VGA cable for a higher gauge one. that might have done the trick. Working perfectly now. Thanks anyway

Have you tried it over component? I have the Sammy 4095 and it works perfectly. I tried it with VGA, and I believe the component is hands down a crisper and more vibrant picture.

Looking at all of these problems, I'm glad I got the Sammy.

Just FYI I have the sharp aquos 1080p LCD and have had no problems connecting 1080p via componant cables, it works great and looks even better.

Any idea if the Sharp Aquos 42D62U will do 1080p with the VGA connection?
My TV is due to arrive on Friday this coming week and I have ordered the VGA cable for my 360.

Cheers
Whit


******** Never Mind this post. After doing more reading about this Model it has 2 HDMI's but no VGA! That sucks. I guess no Upconverting DVD's for me thru the XBox... DAMMIT! *********

I have my xbox 360 connected via component outputting @1080p on my Sharp Aquos 52 d62u. Honestly I see no difference in interlace and progressive (1080I vs 1080P) at the moment

i'm purchasing a mitsu wd-73832. do i use component which takes 1080i and let the tv "progress" it to 1080p or should i use the vga on the xbox to the vga on my tv. the tv manual says the vga supports 1920x1080. i think i have to pick in the tv's menu if the signal is analog or digital for the vga plug in.

I have my 360 hooked up to my 4674 Sammy DLP via component since launch day. It is a 46" 720p display. I don't use my 360 for DVD playback, just games and occassional videos on marketplace.

Is there any reason to hook up the VGA on my TV and go 1080p? In my mind, I think the difference would be nominal if any. Seems to me since games are 720p and my tv is the same, there wouldn't be anything to gain.

Thanks!

I switched back to Component from VGA recently and I like the picture much better. Luckily my TV receives 1080p via component. I get 1080p signal for games but of course HD DVDs are 1080i via 360 component (which TV de-interlaces). my TV is a progressive display...and it displays the same sharpness for 1080i that it does for 1080p. I can't notice the difference really. I sit pretty close to the set too (so it looks huge! lol).

Any word on a possible fix for the Sony SXRD VGA issue. I have the cable and with VGA it looks like crap. The adjustment settings are very limited with the SXRD over VGA. Should I just take the cable back? I hate to waste $39.99 on a cable that doesn't do it's job. Thanks.

mchuckp, go to the video settings in your tv and pick 720p. then go to the video settings in the 360 dashboard and enable only 720p. disable the other resolutions. no reason to change cables since your tv isn't capable of displaying 1080p.

this is a major reason I've been holding off on buying the 360
last I heard MS is supposed to coming out with a new HDMI version with a smaller 65nm core

any updates?

do they make a DVI adaptor, not vga to DVI but straight from 360 to DVI?...I only have a DVI port on my Mits

I try to put 1080p on the settings of my XBOX360 to display 1080p on my LCD KDL-XBR3, but whenever I do that, the screen becomes fuzzy before going back to 1080i, any clues on that?

Should I get a MS VGA cable?

this is a major reason I've been holding off on buying the 360
last I heard MS is supposed to coming out with a new HDMI version with a smaller 65nm core

any updates?No new updates that I've heard, but I consider this to be fairly likely. The 'rumor' pics and video have looked convincing thus far. Last I've heard is that the 'new' console will be coming in May.

do they make a DVI adaptor, not vga to DVI but straight from 360 to DVI?...I only have a DVI port on my MitsThere is no DVI adapter; if there were, no would be asking for HDMI either (HDMI is just DVI plus audio in the same cable). :)

Quick question for those who own the Samsungs with 1080p capability. I own a 1080p DLP [5687W model, black all the way around with the silver beveled speakers]. Many of the people who seem to own a samsung and post here keep talking about their VGA port, but I do not see one in the manual or on the back of the tv for that matter. What am I missing here? Do I need the VGA port in order to get 1080p HD movies on my tv or will component get it done? It seems odd that everyone keeps talking about VGA ports on their various samsungs yet my tv does not have one. Obviously I am not to savy in this area and would appreciate the help. Thanks.

The Samsung 5687 does have a VGA port... Look on the back panel below where it says PC IN. The thing with 15 holes in it is your VGA.

Put up with my ignorance for a second EricM407, the PC IN is the VGA port? Why is it not labeled VGA? [I actually do not know what VGA stands for] Secondly, what is the benefit of using the VGA instead of the component? Thanks for your help. Sorry, I am trying to learn about this stuff as I go.

Put up with my ignorance for a second EricM407, the PC IN is the VGA port? Why is it not labeled VGA? [I actually do not know what VGA stands for] Secondly, what is the benefit of using the VGA instead of the component? Thanks for your help. Sorry, I am trying to learn about this stuff as I go.

VGA is usully to play games on your computer monitor instead of regular TV, but in the case of the XBOX360 it is the only way to display 1080p on most TV's (The faults comes from MS ends, since it's not just 1 or 2 TV models)

Put up with my ignorance for a second EricM407, the PC IN is the VGA port? Why is it not labeled VGA?

Probably because a lot of people don't know what VGA stands for. But they know PC IN means they can plug the cord that comes from their PC in that hole, and that's what it's usually used for.

Secondly, what is the benefit of using the VGA instead of the component?

1080p movies. You can do 1080p games with component on a Samsung, but it'll drop down to 1080i for HD-DVD and 480p for DVD.

Put up with my ignorance for a second EricM407, the PC IN is the VGA port? Why is it not labeled VGA? [I actually do not know what VGA stands for] Secondly, what is the benefit of using the VGA instead of the component? Thanks for your help. Sorry, I am trying to learn about this stuff as I go.Since you mentioned it, VGA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA) = "Video Graphics Array" (or Video Graphics Adapter), but there are many names for this particular type of port (HD-15, DSUB 15, DE-15). Sometimes a quick Google Images search (http://images.google.com/images?q=vga&btnG=Search) can help to identify these things, but it's true that it probably shouldn't be that complicated in the first place.

I agree with the other comments here that using the VGA instead will give you the most out of your TV for more sources (in terms of resolution) vs using the component connection. But some people have complained that the VGA picture doesn't look as good (washed out, etc) compared to component, so, putting all the acronyms and digits aside, find the picture that looks best to you.

Hi all,
I have a problem with my 360 and 1080 resolution

Setup:
Xbox 360 updated via XboxLive!
Display: Samsung SyncMaster 244T (1920x1200 60Hz Native resolution)
Connection: VGA Cable by Microsoft

Problem: in 1080 mode the display crops the image to a strange 1400x1050 resolution, with the result that I see only a portion of the image (the right/up portion).

I sent more than one report to MS and Samsung, with no result.

I'm sure that my Samsung is ok on 1080p/i (I used it with the PC) and I hope this issue will be fixed, because I want to buy the HD-DVD and enjoy the full potential of my setup.

Thank you for any help.

Bye
Alan

1080p over MS VGA cable works GREAT with SONY 40XBR2.

Not true, doesn't work with me.

Not true, doesn't work with me.
You just started this other thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=822490) and said you're having problems with VGA/1080p on your XBR3. Then you posted here and implied that 1080p doesn't work on your XBR2. Do you have a XBR2 or a XBR3?

Not true, doesn't work with me.

I think there's a known problem with UK and Europe XBR2s/3s and 1080p from the 360. It does work on the US models.

[QUOTE=pixelate]No new updates that I've heard, but I consider this to be fairly likely. The 'rumor' pics and video have looked convincing thus far. Last I've heard is that the 'new' console will be coming in May.

Check out engadget's web site for the latest!!!

The Xbox 360 Elite

* The Elite will be limited quantities only; that may be as much or as little as a couple hundred thousand.
* The case, controller, and Live headset will all be black. It will have all new packaging.
* Elite will cost $479, and will be a 3rd SKU; it will be sold alongside Premium and Core packs.
* Eventually Elite hardware (in white plastics) will take the role of the Xbox Premium. That is to say, after the Elite is launched and sold out, future Xbox Premiums will have 120GB / HDMI.
* We do not yet know exactly when 120GB / HDMI will become the standard for Premium, but it is loosely estimated to be late summer or fall.
* Elite models run cooler than normal 360s, but they are not yet confirmed to have 65nm chips.
* Prices may remain the same with the 120GB / HDMI hardware upgrade in the Premium Xbox, but we may still see a price cut on the line when 65nm chips start shipping.
* The HD DVD drive will not be internal or bundled -- Microsoft never did or nor does not currently have plans to put an HD DVD drive in the 360.
* There are no current plans to integrate WiFi into the Elite or future Premiums (although that can always change).

I think there's a known problem with UK and Europe XBR2s/3s and 1080p from the 360. It does work on the US models.

Yeah mine is European. Oh well will I experience this problem with PS3?

[QUOTE=pixelate]No new updates that I've heard, but I consider this to be fairly likely. The 'rumor' pics and video have looked convincing thus far. Last I've heard is that the 'new' console will be coming in May.

Check out engadget's web site for the latest!!!

The Xbox 360 Elite

* The Elite will be limited quantities only; that may be as much or as little as a couple hundred thousand.
* The case, controller, and Live headset will all be black. It will have all new packaging.
* Elite will cost $479, and will be a 3rd SKU; it will be sold alongside Premium and Core packs.
* Eventually Elite hardware (in white plastics) will take the role of the Xbox Premium. That is to say, after the Elite is launched and sold out, future Xbox Premiums will have 120GB / HDMI.
* We do not yet know exactly when 120GB / HDMI will become the standard for Premium, but it is loosely estimated to be late summer or fall.
* Elite models run cooler than normal 360s, but they are not yet confirmed to have 65nm chips.
* Prices may remain the same with the 120GB / HDMI hardware upgrade in the Premium Xbox, but we may still see a price cut on the line when 65nm chips start shipping.
* The HD DVD drive will not be internal or bundled -- Microsoft never did or nor does not currently have plans to put an HD DVD drive in the 360.
* There are no current plans to integrate WiFi into the Elite or future Premiums (although that can always change).
Well that really screws us prior XBOX 360 owners. Thanks Bill. I should have bought a PS3.

Well that really screws us prior XBOX 360 owners. Thanks Bill. I should have bought a PS3.

What the heck does that mean? Did you seriously think that the current Xbox 360 would be the LAST Xbox? Have you heard of the previous Xbox? How about the PS2? And the PS1? DUH! Of course there's always new hardware! You don't think there's going to be a PS4?

Egads... I really hope I misunderstood your comment, in which case I will gladly apologize.

What the heck does that mean? Did you seriously think that the current Xbox 360 would be the LAST Xbox? Have you heard of the previous Xbox? How about the PS2? And the PS1? DUH! Of course there's always new hardware! You don't think there's going to be a PS4?

Egads... I really hope I misunderstood your comment, in which case I will gladly apologize.
Hey shitbird, I am just saying that I just bought the system and all of the sudden they are coming out with a better one right off the bat. Yes PS2 and then 5 years later PS3, which I don't see a big deal putting out a new system after a few years, but this is ******** to us who payed for a top of the line system and now have to pay again for a system that should be updated through updates to compensate for the problems we are having. They are screwing the consumer. Period.

1.5 years is hardly right away. They alwasy said they could add an HDMI out if the market wanted it. They said this before the 360 was released. Nothing new. I take my 360 with VGA out at 1080P any day for games over HDMI for games. Now for movies HDMI would be great especially if the advanced codecs can be decoded and transmitted as multichannel pcm over the HDMI. But I already have two(soon three) stand alone HD DVD players plus the add on with one of my 360 units.

1.5 years is hardly right away. They alwasy said they could add an HDMI out if the market wanted it. They said this before the 360 was released. Nothing new.

MS was implying in interviews (like the one from IGN that's been quoted on this forum about a gajillion times) as late as last fall that "the platform" was flexible enough to support digital video output in the future. A lot of people interpreted that to mean MS could come out with a cable that could be plugged into existing 360s, not that MS would come out with a new 360.

Hey shitbird, I am just saying that I just bought the system and all of the sudden they are coming out with a better one right off the bat. Yes PS2 and then 5 years later PS3, which I don't see a big deal putting out a new system after a few years, but this is ******** to us who payed for a top of the line system and now have to pay again for a system that should be updated through updates to compensate for the problems we are having. They are screwing the consumer. Period.

You crack me up. :) The day before the PS3 shipped was Sony still shipping PS2s? And what is the problem you're having? Lack of HDMI? Lack of black plastic? Did you think that was going to be fixed in software. Buy a clue, buddy.

Hey shitbird, I am just saying that I just bought the system and all of the sudden they are coming out with a better one right off the bat. Yes PS2 and then 5 years later PS3, which I don't see a big deal putting out a new system after a few years, but this is ******** to us who payed for a top of the line system and now have to pay again for a system that should be updated through updates to compensate for the problems we are having. They are screwing the consumer. Period.That's ridiculous, I'm sorry. You bought a console that had 20 GB of storage and no HDMI, and you knew it. If these features were that important to you, any small amount of research (especially if you made this purchase recently) would have told you that a) there was a good chance of an HDMI 360 system being released later and b) the PS3 already has HDMI and more flexibility with hard disk storage.

You paid for a top of the line system almost 1.5 years into its life. Microsoft is providing MORE options now. If they're doing it at a quicker pace than console manufacturers have in the past (say PS2 -> slim PS2), that's not exactly something to fault them for... yeesh.

This is an excellent post I copied from another forum, credit to "Twisted Symphony"


For those of you keeping track at home
The NES 2: http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/34/200px-NES2.jpg
-Featured a redesigned controller, a more reliable cartridge slot, and lower power consumption.

The SNES 2: http://img.search.com/thumb/7/7e/Snes2_sys.jpg/200px-Snes2_sys.jpg
-smaller form factor case, lower power consumption, was also capable of rgb output while others were not

The Genesis 2/The Genesis 3: http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/genesis3.jpg
The core genesis had 2 major revisions, each time reducing the form factor, lowering the cost, the heat, and the power consumption, as well as a newly designed controller each time, and smaller wall warts. IIRC the Genesis 3 also offered rgb output while the older ones didn't

The CDX: http://www.gamecritics.com/feature/report/segaexodus/image03.jpg
-A Genesis with an integrated Sega CD unit, also featured the same controller as the genesis 3, as well as an LCD screen to display the track number of CDs when used without a TV.

The Neptune: http://www.the-nextlevel.com/features/cge/sega_neptunet.jpg
-A Genesis with an integrated Sega 32X unit, also featured another completely new controller

The Hi-Saturn: http://nfggames.com/games/hisaturn/hisatclosed2.jpg
-Included the ability to play back VCDs among other things. Multiple versions were made, some even included an LCD screen remote and AV outputs (without an adapter).

The PSOne: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/rip_psone.jpg
-Smaller form factor, more reliable CD drive, lower noise, lower power consumption, also had an optional LCD screen as well as an optional VCD player. Also allows for component video output while older version didn't.

The Q: http://www.cf-network.com/cfan/IMG/jpg/q_20front.jpg
-A Gamcube with DVD playback, component video output, and a remote, redesigned case too with lots of added features

The PS2 (SCPH-39001N):
-looked just like the old PS2s but included progressive scan support and an integrated IR receiver for the remote, and and improved DVD drive. also came bundled with the network adapter when it was first released.

The Slim PS2: http://games.kikizo.com/media/pstwo/06c.jpg
-smaller form factor, integrated Modem, Network adapter, and IR receiver, lower noise, lower heat, and lower power consumption.

The PSX: http://money.cnn.com/2003/05/28/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/psx.jpg
-A PS2 with a built in hard drive and video capture for TiVo like functionality, built in modem, network and ir receiver as well as a DVD burner. it included a special remote as well as a special controller

Nearly every major console in existence has had a major redesign of some form or another the only ones that I can think of that didn't were the N64, Dreacast, and Xbox, but the N64 had the 64DD add on (in japan), the Dreamcast was just too short lived and the Xbox was replaced too quickly. Though they did all have limited edition versions with special cases for an extra cost."

You can clearly see that this is not new to consoles, just a bit sooner than we are used to. The emergence of this new 360 in no way diminishes the original, its not like your TV will stop working because it knows there is a new 360 with HDMI out there somewhere...

Is there only one different model for the XBOX?

Has anyone tried the 1080p over VGA for Mitsubishi DLP's? Any compatibility issues?

I have been using my 360 over component and running at 1080p with no problems on my Samsung 4695D. I am really interested in how my Sammy would output over VGA because I was interested in using the dvd upconverting of the 360. I realize that there has been a dashboard update to remedy most problems with the VGA output.

I find it funny that the only people that defend MS on the HDMI issue, for the majority have sets that can accept 1080p through component or VGA. If they were owners of the other sets it would be a different story.

This is my take on this.


This is an excellent post I copied from another forum, credit to "Twisted Symphony"


For those of you keeping track at home
The NES 2: http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/34/200px-NES2.jpg
This unit was released 8years later.
The SNES 2: http://img.search.com/thumb/7/7e/Snes2_sys.jpg/200px-Snes2_sys.jpg
Released 6 years later.

The Genesis 2/The Genesis 3: http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/genesis3.jpg
Genesis 2 released 5 years later.

The CDX:
The Neptune:
The Hi-Saturn:

These consoles are not apples to apples, with what we are talking about.

The PSOne: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/rip_psone.jpg
Released 5 years later.

The Q: http://www.cf-network.com/cfan/IMG/jpg/q_20front.jpg
This wasn't even released in the US.

.
The Slim PS2: http://games.kikizo.com/media/pstwo/06c.jpg
Released 4 years later.

The PSX: http://money.cnn.com/2003/05/28/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/psx.jpg
4 years.

Nearly every major console in existence has had a major redesign of some form or another the only ones that I can think of that didn't were the N64, Dreacast, and Xbox, but the N64 had the 64DD add on (in japan), the Dreamcast was just too short lived and the Xbox was replaced too quickly. Though they did all have limited edition versions with special cases for an extra cost."

You can clearly see that this is not new to consoles, just a bit sooner than we are used to. The emergence of this new 360 in no way diminishes the original, its not like your TV will stop working because it knows there is a new 360 with HDMI out there somewhere...

This is my take on this.

So just because your 360 (and mine) don't have HDMI, then you don't want anybody else to have it? I don't get that logic.

So just because your 360 (and mine) don't have HDMI, then you don't want anybody else to have it? I don't get that logic.
I never mentioned anything of the sort.

People are saying that the console has been out sooooooo long and a major hardware update this late into the game is not a big deal. Well, it's not very late and those examples don't hold water. I know it's not like the revision came out 91 days after launch, but it's also not 4 years.

I never mentioned anything of the sort.

People are saying that the console has been out sooooooo long and a major hardware update this late into the game is not a big deal. Well, it's not very late and those examples don't hold water. I know it's not like the revision came out 91 days after launch, but it's also not 4 years.

I stand corrected. Sorry for lumping you in with the illogical haters.

People are saying that the console has been out sooooooo long and a major hardware update this late into the game is not a big deal. Well, it's not very late and those examples don't hold water. I know it's not like the revision came out 91 days after launch, but it's also not 4 years.Sorry, I'm still putting you in the illogical haters group.

Every console generation is a bit different, and these latest ones seem to be throwing everything out the window as far as precedent is concerned. But I don't think anyone should be surprised-- the "next gen" machines are just specialized gaming PCs, and with that territory comes quicker hardware revisions (same reason the PS3 was delayed). We are not dealing with cartridges and Game Genies anymore.

I guess I still just don't understand what you would rather have happen. I think the 360's made a big impact since its launch, and I know I've enjoyed the hell out of mine. But that only happened because they didn't wait to do HDMI with it-- something most of their market doesn't care about. Now they can do it and they're releasing it the only way they can- a new SKU. I will never understand early adopters and their misplaced sense of entitlement. It's completely the other way around.

I find it funny that the only people that defend MS on the HDMI issue, for the majority have sets that can accept 1080p through component or VGA. If they were owners of the other sets it would be a different story.Nope, I personally own a 1080p TV that will not display the 360's full resolution through anything but HDMI. Am I frustrated that I haven't been able to get it to work with my TV? Hells yes. Would I like to have an HDMI Elite for free because I'm an early adopter? Sure. Does that make any sense whatsoever? Not really.

Nope, I personally own a 1080p TV that will not display the 360's full resolution through anything but HDMI. Am I frustrated that I haven't been able to get it to work with my TV? Hells yes. Would I like to have an HDMI Elite for free because I'm an early adopter? Sure. Does that make any sense whatsoever? Not really.
I feel the same way. I have no problem trading in or keeping my 360 and getting the new one. My wife on the other hand may have one. I do feel a little cheated. MS (to me) made it seem that the current 360 was flexible enough to do HDMI if need be. That apparently is not the case. I know people will say MS never said that, but it is all about perspective.

Cheers! :)

I do feel a little cheated. MS (to me) made it seem that the current 360 was flexible enough to do HDMI if need be. That apparently is not the case. I know people will say MS never said that, but it is all about perspective.I'll definitely agree with you there, they have said that they would keep looking at HDMI as a possibility for the future, and made it sound like something that could be added on to current consoles. That's one place where I wish they could have been more forthcoming.

I even found this interview (http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=79458) from last August with a "Microsoft hardware manager":

Penello addressed concerns over the Xbox 360's analog-only video output, and confirmed that there are "currently" no plans for the Xbox 360 to add HDMI or DVI support. "There's nothing about the Xbox 360 that says it can't support HDMI," Penello told us. "We just didn't design it that way." Penello even took a jab at the HDMI format itself, saying that "HDMI isn't finished...even one of the PS3 SKUs doesn't have it."

On the other hand, Penello was careful not to rule anything out: "one day we might add it in," he offered, referring to HDMI support. But Penello lashed out at criticisms that the Xbox 360's component and VGA outputs are inferior, saying that "the people who are the most impassioned are the ones who know the least about it." When it comes to the different between component and HDMI video, Penello said, "the reality is, for any normal HD owner, the difference [between the formats] is nonexistent."

Ugh. Maybe I should stop reading about this stuff... :mad:

But that's business. It's his job to make whatever their current game plan is sound like the most logical thing in the world. I'm not going to tear myself up about it.

Theoretically would it be possible to have an HDMI upconverting audio receiver take the component video signals of an older Xbox 360 and convert it into a 1080P compatible signal for the TV?

This would help all those who would rather spend $500+ on a new receiver than on the new Xbox.

I know that this has been covered thousands of times, but I figured I would post here than rather start my own thread.

I recently switched from component to VGA on my Xbox 360 on my Samsung HL-S5078W 50" 1080p DLP HDTV. So far, I love it! I have the resolution switched to 1920x1080 in the dashboard as well.

After I switched, I noticed a very uniform 1/2" or so black frame around the picture no matter what I am doing...gaming, watching HD DVDs, etc. Is this normal? I thought the resolution on my TV was in fact 1920x1080 so in theory shouldn't everything the Xbox 360 plays fill the screen? Am I missing something? I would be more than happy to supply a pic as well if need be.

Thanks for your help!

Can anyone tell me how they have the audio connected from there hd-dvd player to either TV or Reciever. IS there optical out?


also picture quality for Samsung HLR's using 1080p over VGA and are there any 1080p HD-DVD's or does it upconvert 1080i?


Trying to figure if its worth all the trouble to get 1080P since vga is my only option with this display.

with the VGA cable you have an optical out port.

this is how you will get the 360 sound to your receiver. there is no seperate audio for HDDVD, all data from the drive is transferred to the 360 for processing.

Any update on this? Can VGA only do Reduced Blanking? Is 60hz vertical frequency and 66.9 khz horizontal frequency ( ANSI/SMPTE 1080p60 1:1 is 67.5 khz h-freq) the best the 360 can do because of a hardware limitation? That would really suck if true! I tried calling MS and they said if I wanted "perfect" 1080p that I need to wait for the Xbox 360 Elite with HDMI. Just like when an Xbox 1 game didn't work quite right, Monkey Ball Deluxe. At the time the ratio was 1.5:1 not 16:9! MS told me, "The Xbox 360 isn't an Xbox. If you want an Xbox don't use the Xbox 360, buy an Xbox". Way to go MS! The way MS handles loyal original buyers really troubles me and makes me very hesitant to buy another system from them, such as the Xbox 720 or whatever they'll call it.


Just about each thread and post you make we keep getting just more of insight into your intentions. :rolleyes:

I know that this has been covered thousands of times, but I figured I would post here than rather start my own thread.

I recently switched from component to VGA on my Xbox 360 on my Samsung HL-S5078W 50" 1080p DLP HDTV. So far, I love it! I have the resolution switched to 1920x1080 in the dashboard as well.

After I switched, I noticed a very uniform 1/2" or so black frame around the picture no matter what I am doing...gaming, watching HD DVDs, etc. Is this normal? I thought the resolution on my TV was in fact 1920x1080 so in theory shouldn't everything the Xbox 360 plays fill the screen? Am I missing something? I would be more than happy to supply a pic as well if need be.

Thanks for your help!
Anyone?

Anyone?
No problem, your TV set automatically sets the image at 92% of full when using the PC input. Just hit the "p. size" button on your remote, you can then expand and center the image just like a computer monitor.

No problem, your TV set automatically sets the image at 92% of full when using the PC input. Just hit the "p. size" button on your remote, you can then expand and center the image just like a computer monitor.
Thank you! I will try that tonight when I get home.

I just talked to XBOX support and the guy told me that they have tested the VGA cables in their office and they don't support 1080p (I asked him three times and he said he was sure). That doesn't make sense if MS claims it does and some of you have had success with 1080p over VGA.

Anyway, he assured me that the XBOX 360 HDMI cable would be be available April 29th. He claimed that the XBOX Elite cable would be compatible with the original 360's.

If that is true that is fantastic news!

PS: I have a 360 manufactured on Sept. 2006 with an HD DVD drive, updated through XBOX live and connected to my Panasonic PT-AE1000U through the VGA cable. The best resolution I can get is 1360X768. The 1080p goes blank for 10 seconds and boots me out.

I just talked to XBOX support and the guy told me that they have tested the VGA cables in their office and they don't support 1080p (I asked him three times and he said he was sure). That doesn't make sense if MS claims it does and some of you have had success with 1080p over VGA.

Anyway, he assured me that the XBOX 360 HDMI cable would be be available April 29th. He claimed that the XBOX Elite cable would be compatible with the original 360's.

If that is true that is fantastic news!

PS: I have a 360 manufactured on Sept. 2006 with an HD DVD drive, updated through XBOX live and connected to my Panasonic PT-AE1000U through the VGA cable. The best resolution I can get is 1360X768. The 1080p goes blank for 10 seconds and boots me out.
I think you misunderstood what he said. The Elite will most definitely have a standard 360 A/V output, and a stand alone HDMI output. SO yes, the component A/V cable will be compatible, but obviously the HDMI cable will not be....here is a pic of the back of the new Elite.

http://i5.tinypic.com/2i1cj1l.jpg

Not all TV's will accept 1080p through the VGA, but a good # of them will.

I just talked to XBOX support and the guy told me that they have tested the VGA cables in their office and they don't support 1080p (I asked him three times and he said he was sure). That doesn't make sense if MS claims it does and some of you have had success with 1080p over VGA.

Anyway, he assured me that the XBOX 360 HDMI cable would be be available April 29th. He claimed that the XBOX Elite cable would be compatible with the original 360's.

If that is true that is fantastic news!

PS: I have a 360 manufactured on Sept. 2006 with an HD DVD drive, updated through XBOX live and connected to my Panasonic PT-AE1000U through the VGA cable. The best resolution I can get is 1360X768. The 1080p goes blank for 10 seconds and boots me out.


Look in your manual. That projector doesn't accept 1080P over the VGA input. The max resolution it accepts is lower. The MS VGA cable for the 360 has no problem with 1080P. I have two 360s from 2005, one from the first sale date. The are both outputting 1920x1080P over VGA to two of my displays with no problems.

257TONY, I did not misunderstand him. I asked him several times to confirm that a new cable for the 360 elite would work with the old 360's and he said yes. He was probaly just misinformed, he did seem clueless.

I had not seen the pictures and it seems unlikely after seeing them that there will be a cable that works with our old machines. He did tell me numerous times though that there would be. How can MS have people spreading such seemingly bogus information? Really nice!

AARONWT, The PTAE1000U supports a few 1920 X 1080 resolutions through PC (VGA) input. 24 fps is the only one that looked like it is not be supported. It supports 1080p at 50&60 fps.

The listed resolutions are at the Panasonic site:
ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/pub/Panasonic/Drivers/PBTS/brochures/S_PT-AE1000U.pdf

What are the specifications of the 360's VGA output? I had heard 1920X1080, 60Hz Vertical, 66.9 Horizontal, 24 fps. Is that accurate? If so then the PTAE1000U can handle it I guess.

Hopefully the spring update allows for different 1080p outputs.

Like you said, I would not trust an MS customer service rep's tech knowledge. He was probably referring to the standard AV cable, since the Elite uses a regular old HDMI cable (included!)

I had to call MS back today while setting up a friends 360 and I asked the CSR. He says no to the HDMI cable for the old 360's but yes to VGA 1080p support.

I told him what a co-worker told me last night. Then I asked him if knowledge of the product and/or brains was a prerequisite to work there and he laughed.

Oh well too bad, maybe a cable or better 1080p firmware will come in the future.

Any idea if the sony sxrd a502000 line will finally play nice with the new hdmi output from the elite to finally allow 1080p?

Any idea if the sony sxrd a502000 line will finally play nice with the new hdmi output from the elite to finally allow 1080p?

It should. I have an XBR2 and I am going to get an elite for this sole reason.

I know that this has been covered thousands of times, but I figured I would post here than rather start my own thread.

I recently switched from component to VGA on my Xbox 360 on my Samsung HL-S5078W 50" 1080p DLP HDTV. So far, I love it! I have the resolution switched to 1920x1080 in the dashboard as well.

After I switched, I noticed a very uniform 1/2" or so black frame around the picture no matter what I am doing...gaming, watching HD DVDs, etc. Is this normal? I thought the resolution on my TV was in fact 1920x1080 so in theory shouldn't everything the Xbox 360 plays fill the screen? Am I missing something? I would be more than happy to supply a pic as well if need be.

Thanks for your help!
No problem, your TV set automatically sets the image at 92% of full when using the PC input. Just hit the "p. size" button on your remote, you can then expand and center the image just like a computer monitor.
Thanks...that worked perfectly! Had to stretch the image six or seven times (it centers it automatically) and now it takes up the entire screen!

You are welcome! Glad I could help out a fellow Sammy/Xbox owner.

Thanks...that worked perfectly! Had to stretch the image six or seven times (it centers it automatically) and now it takes up the entire screen!


OK so I just got the VGA cable and tried to hook this up.

I have a quick question. I also have the black line around the Xbox picture. I hit the p.size button and nothing happens????

Also on the, picture options.... Digital NR - OFF
DNIe - Off is greyed out and the Digital NR is "stuck" to ON

OK so I just got the VGA cable and tried to hook this up.

I have a quick question. I also have the black line around the Xbox picture. I hit the p.size button and nothing happens????

Also on the, picture options.... Digital NR - OFF
DNIe - Off is greyed out and the Digital NR is "stuck" to ON
You have to hit the button below the P SIZE text then move over to the right two slots (IIRC) and then hit up a few times. Let me know if that works.

I also have the black bars around the 1 1/2"'s through VGA to my Panasonic PT-Ae1000U projector. Any ideas?

Hopefully the spring update fixes all of these 1080p over VGA problems! Does anyone have any insight? I heard there would be a PC/TV setting that would help.

I donwloaded the spring update hoping I could do 1080p over vga to my Sony VPL-VW50 (pearl) projector. No luck. I get the option for 1920 x 1080 but the display is really out of proportion and extremely dark. Other vga resolutions display properly. I was hoping I was just overlooking something in my projector settings but running through the projector menu did not resolve the issue. I'm also wondering if the cable is bad.

Anyone else get 1080p over VGA with the spring update with this same projector?

I guess I'll have to look into the elite with HDMI if there is no resolution (no pun intended) to 1920x1080 over vga for my projector.

I'm curious if anyone has tried the Sony SXRD XBR2 at 1080P over VGA with the latest spring dashboard update.

I donwloaded the spring update hoping I could do 1080p over vga to my Sony VPL-VW50 (pearl) projector. No luck. I get the option for 1920 x 1080 but the display is really out of proportion and extremely dark. Other vga resolutions display properly. I was hoping I was just overlooking something in my projector settings but running through the projector menu did not resolve the issue. I'm also wondering if the cable is bad.

Anyone else get 1080p over VGA with the spring update with this same projector?

I guess I'll have to look into the elite with HDMI if there is no resolution (no pun intended) to 1920x1080 over vga for my projector.
I thought it's just mine, but I've exactly same problem as your on my Marquee 9500LC 9" CRT front projector. :mad:

I'm curious if anyone has tried the Sony SXRD XBR2 at 1080P over VGA with the latest spring dashboard update.

My projector is 3 SXRD panels- same as the XBR2. I would imagine they are essentially the same guts- just different ways of outputting the image (front projection vs rear projection). So if anyone was successful with XBR2 - I'm interested as well.

I donwloaded the spring update hoping I could do 1080p over vga to my Sony VPL-VW50 (pearl) projector. No luck. I get the option for 1920 x 1080 but the display is really out of proportion and extremely dark. Other vga resolutions display properly. I was hoping I was just overlooking something in my projector settings but running through the projector menu did not resolve the issue. I'm also wondering if the cable is bad.

Anyone else get 1080p over VGA with the spring update with this same projector?

I guess I'll have to look into the elite with HDMI if there is no resolution (no pun intended) to 1920x1080 over vga for my projector.

The Pearl doesn't accept 1080p over VGA or component. HDMI only. :(

Just an FYI...
I purchased the PC cable for the 360 and hooked it up to my Sammy DLP and the picture is more crisp and colors are stronger. Worth it IMO.

The Pearl doesn't accept 1080p over VGA or component. HDMI only. :(

Well that would be the problem then wouldn't it. :) Thanks...I must have misread some other info here. Looks like the Elite will be my next purchase.

Did a quick search but couldn't find the answer. Does the Epson 1080 projector accept 1080P via component? Or is 1080P regulated to the VGA and HDMI only. I want to use component because of the distance between my projector and 360 and I don't want to throw down $500 bucks for the Elite when my current 360 works perfectly.

Most display devices (tv's, projectors) are currently only displaying true 1080p over HDMI. They are then upconverting any other inputs (component, etc.) up to 1080p if your setup to do that.
My 2 cents

I'm trying to get full screen 1920x1080 VGA working on my Mitsu WD-52631. Now it accepts it over VGA analog even though it says it only accepts 1920x1080 with VGA digital in the instruction booklet, but pressing the format button does not expand it to full size so I have a 2" border around the screen. I'm loving the increased PQ over component and even when I used the 360 on a 22" lcd monitor, but the border is bugging me. What options do I have to expand it to full size versus actually buying an Elite (which I don't want to do)?

I'm curious if anyone has tried the Sony SXRD XBR2 at 1080P over VGA with the latest spring dashboard update.

My nephew just got the 60" Sony and I have the 50". We both have the 360. He was telling me today that you can't get 1080p using VGA with the Sony. You need to use the HDMI to get 1080p. It's a problem with the Sony, not the 360, even with the spring update. Some brands of tv's will allow you to get 1080p through VGA.

My nephew just got the 60" Sony and I have the 50". We both have the 360. He was telling me today that you can't get 1080p using VGA with the Sony. You need to use the HDMI to get 1080p. It's a problem with the Sony, not the 360, even with the spring update. Some brands of tv's will allow you to get 1080p through VGA.

You can technically get 1080p via VGA on the Sony, but the picture doesn't fill the entire screen so I don't consider it usable.

Lag issue using Samsung TX-S2782H for X-Box 360 gaming

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Hello, this is my first time posting on this forum.
I am not a techie so please be as clear as possible when replying.

I have purchased 34 Samsung TX-S2782H HDTVs to use in gaming tournaments along with Sony Playsation PS-3's and Xbox 360's. Picture quality is perfect...no geometry problems as reported by many on this site.
However, the gamers are reporting serious lag issues. For example, Guitar Hero players are measuring 113 millisecond lag time. Gears of War players are experiencing lag issues as well.
I am severely confused because this TV is a CRT and should not have any lag. Some of the games are networked using a Linkysis switchport (Gears of War), but other games (Guitar Hero) have the console plugged directly into the CRT.
We are using HDMI cables as well as component cables and the lag problem is reported in all scenarios. SOMETHING DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT!!

Samsumg support says that their CRTs (as with all CRTs) have lag measured in the microseconds which is a much shorter period than the milliseconds that LCD's have due to the refresh rate of an LCD (typically 6-12ms). Is this correct?

Has anyone a clue as to what the problem is? I thought that lag was only an issue with LCD's and plasma TV but not high def CRT's. Am I misinformed?

I'm told by the electricians at the hotel venue that the amperage running to the Samsungs and other components is sufficient. Is there a certain configuration that the Xbox 360, PS-3 or Samsung must be set to otherwise lag will be noticed? Please help!

Thank you.

Sounds like the TV's are doing some sort of scaling.

Originally Posted by 257Tony
No problem, your TV set automatically sets the image at 92% of full when using the PC input. Just hit the "p. size" button on your remote, you can then expand and center the image just like a computer monitor.
Thanks...that worked perfectly! Had to stretch the image six or seven times (it centers it automatically) and now it takes up the entire screen!

I had this problem and hit P.SIZE and got nothing. Turns out I was hitting the button ABOVE P.SIZE. Oops. I am still losing a small amount, but at least the screen is filled. Crazy.

Lag issue using Samsung TX-S2782H for X-Box 360 gaming

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Hello, this is my first time posting on this forum.
I am not a techie so please be as clear as possible when replying.

I have purchased 34 Samsung TX-S2782H HDTVs to use in gaming tournaments along with Sony Playsation PS-3's and Xbox 360's. Picture quality is perfect...no geometry problems as reported by many on this site.
However, the gamers are reporting serious lag issues. For example, Guitar Hero players are measuring 113 millisecond lag time. Gears of War players are experiencing lag issues as well.
I am severely confused because this TV is a CRT and should not have any lag. Some of the games are networked using a Linkysis switchport (Gears of War), but other games (Guitar Hero) have the console plugged directly into the CRT.
We are using HDMI cables as well as component cables and the lag problem is reported in all scenarios. SOMETHING DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT!!

Samsumg support says that their CRTs (as with all CRTs) have lag measured in the microseconds which is a much shorter period than the milliseconds that LCD's have due to the refresh rate of an LCD (typically 6-12ms). Is this correct?

Has anyone a clue as to what the problem is? I thought that lag was only an issue with LCD's and plasma TV but not high def CRT's. Am I misinformed?

I'm told by the electricians at the hotel venue that the amperage running to the Samsungs and other components is sufficient. Is there a certain configuration that the Xbox 360, PS-3 or Samsung must be set to otherwise lag will be noticed? Please help!

Thank you.

The TV still does some processing even though it is a CRT, and this is the obvious source of the problem. Turn off any option in the menu that appears to be a process. One thing that this TV advertises is the 3D-Y/C digital comb filter. See if you can disable that.

Here's a link to the manual (http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200606/20060615125333437_AA68-03782A-03Eng_0614_book.pdf) . Though I couldn't really find anything helpful there.

If there is nothing in the user menu, I would suggest entering the service menu. For my samsung, with the power off, it's Mute, 1, 8, 2, power. Be VERY careful though. Do NOT change anything without first writing down what it was and what the original setting was. Pressing the right arrow on the remote will activate any item, so be careful with that. You can only move between items with up and down. Menu is back a level. Once you are done, turn off the TV.

glyph, thanks for your information. I could not find a way to disable the digital comb filter via the user menu or service menu.......yzdeaner

that bites. Have you tried calling Samsung?

thelostone....i see black bars on all four sides of my picture when i have it set to 1080 on the dashboard. is there any way to change that? when i press p.mode, it doesn't change. it just stays on custom. have you had that problem?

go back a page and read the posts and you'll see the answer. Use the P.Size button.

ihave had zero issues with my 360 premium displayign 1080P via the OEM component cable to my HL-S6187W

you aren't getting 1080p, you're getting 1080i. According to everything I have read and heard from podcasts, you can only get 1080p on the 360 over VGA ( or the HDMI port on the new Elite.)

it says 1080P on the dashboard.

my 20" LCD supported 1080I, butnot 1080P. i could output 1080I from teh 360 adn it worked fine. once i tried 1080P it wodul say "mode not supported" on teh TV.

with my samsung, i set it to 1080P and it works perfectly

you aren't getting 1080p, you're getting 1080i. According to everything I have read and heard from podcasts, you can only get 1080p on the 360 over VGA ( or the HDMI port on the new Elite.)

That's not true for games. The HLS Samsungs support 1080p over component so games will be upconverted to 1080p but DVDs will only be 480p.

Can anyone come through with a link to any and all TVs known to work with the Xbox 360 at 1920x1080 on VGA?
I live in Japan and I have been eyeballing the Panasonic TH-50PZ700SK but I just found out it doesn't work contrary to what the sales person told me. (So, if it's a TV available in Japan that's much better for me!)

Help is GREATLY appreciated!

I just purchased the Sharp Aquos LC-32D62U and was wondering if anyone knows of any compatability issues with 1080p. I bought it mainly to play my 360 on and would definetely be dissapointed if the 1080p option doesn't work, as this was my primary motivation to buy the sharp over the 32 inch samsung. The samsung reportedly has a slight picture quality edge, but I really wanted 1080p offered by the sharp.

I was also wondering how the Sharp performs in general with the 360. I bought it online and it hasn't come yet, so I haven't had the chance to test it. I really hope there isn't any noticable lag between controller and TV. I don't want to have to go back to my 20 inch viewsonic monitor.

anyone know?

please help I just recently purchased a xbox 360 elite so when I hook it up HDMI it displays the option for 1080p but wont let me pick it it goes to 720p but when I hook up component it lets me pick and display 1080p also with VGA it lets me pick and display 1920x1080 so if my lcd is 1080p capable why won't it support 1080p via HDMI isn't that what it is for what is going on ??? The polaroid is 47''lcd moniter does that matter do I have any hope of ever seeing 1080p via HDMI
thanxs D :)

please help I just recently purchased a xbox 360 elite so when I hook it up HDMI it displays the option for 1080p but wont let me pick it it goes to 720p but when I hook up component it lets me pick and display 1080p also with VGA it lets me pick and display 1920x1080 so if my lcd is 1080p capable why won't it support 1080p via HDMI isn't that what it is for what is going on ??? The polaroid is 47''lcd moniter does that matter do I have any hope of ever seeing 1080p via HDMI
thanxs D :)


Your monitor might have an HDMI chipset that DOES NOT accept 1080P signals (the versions really mean little in terms of what you actually get when you buy the TV because most HDMI TVs sold right now are using the cheaper/older chipsets that are at or below the same feature level compared to what is on the Xbox 360 Elite) or it has a lower resolution that is not actually 1080I/P and therefore when queried by the HDMI connection, the digital handshake (the method used to communicate between the TV and device when connected) says it won't accept it so it doesn't let you use it. With component video, any modern display can take a 1080 signal and scrunch it down to the actual resolution of the set. HDMI avoids this with the digital handshake to maximize display quality and pixel efficiency. When HDMI first came out, none of the sets could do 1080P so a lot of the chipsets were cheaply designed because the TVs couldn't really use them but that has changed and the big TV makers are starting to use full 1.2 and some are even using 1.3 compliant chipsets.

When getting VGA output from the XBOX to the tv how does the audio get sent out? I have an Onkyo SR805 that does not have VGA but my samsung DLP does. I'm trying to figure out the best way to get the VGA output to the TV and the audio to the receiver.

Edit: Nevermind I found out I can connect a digital audio out to the base of the vga cable.

That's not true for games. The HLS Samsungs support 1080p over component so games will be upconverted to 1080p but DVDs will only be 480p.

I'm talking about the signal that comes out of the Xbox 360. Not what the TV does with it.

I'm talking about the signal that comes out of the Xbox 360. Not what the TV does with it.


I mentioned the HLS (what the original poster has) because he said he is getting 1080p through component. The HLS is one of the few TVs that can do 1080p over component. A TV is going to scale anything up to it's native resolution but the 360 can output 1080p over component for games, just not movies.

Edit: Here is the info on what the component cables can output directly from Xbox.com (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360componenthdcable/) :


High-definition gaming output of 720p, 1080i or 1080p

Progressive-scan DVD playback in 480p

I have a KDL-52XBR2 tv and I am using a monster VGA cable to connect my 360 to my tv. My black level is at expanded and resolution it at 1920 X 1080p. The picture appears to be underscanned like when i play games or when I am at the dashboard, on both sides of the screen i see a thin black line and a lot of distortion. When i play call of duty 3, in the beginning of the game i see a light colored distorted line on the right side of the screen. any ideas what the problem is? I also have the two small lines on each side when i watch a full widescreen HD DVD on my 360 HD DVD player.

Thanks.

Can someone please tell me if a standard xbox 360 can play 1080P Hd Dvd's with the addon drive.

Some people say only the elite does hd DVD @ 1080P

Can someone please confirm.

Steve

A standard XBOX 360 can play 1080P HD DVD's with the addon drive at 1080P but you need the xbox 360 VGA cable from microsoft or any other brands (Monster Cable etc.). If use component, you'll get 1080i max.

I recently bought the Samsung LN-T4061F hoping to connect my X360 thru VGA but it gives me a "Non Supported Mode." Samsung tech dpt states the X360 VGA cable output does not match the TV 1080p native resolution. :confused:

I was a bit frustrated since I really wanted to use the extra component input for something else.

Has anyone else here had the same problem with an LN-T model?

Any ideas or feecback would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Quick question: I have my 360 via vga to my HLS-5087w. I have it set to 1920x1080 and when I hit the p.size button it only has options for wide or 4:3, why not 16:9?

Anybody have there Xbox 360 connected via VGA cables, please list any thoughts good or bad, I have my Xbox 360 connected via component cables, but want 1080p and need VGA for that :mad: I forgot to add I have the 42HL167 TV Toshiba Regza LCD Full 1080p

I recently bought the Samsung LN-T4061F hoping to connect my X360 thru VGA but it gives me a "Non Supported Mode." Samsung tech dpt states the X360 VGA cable output does not match the TV 1080p native resolution. :confused:

I was a bit frustrated since I really wanted to use the extra component input for something else.

Has anyone else here had the same problem with an LN-T model?

Any ideas or feecback would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Just hit info on your remote or try switching inputs, the 61 series will take 1080p over any input including VGA

Hi:

Is anyone driving 1080P over HDMI into a Pioneer Elite PRO-1140HD?

A week ago, my Premium system started red-ringing, so I took it back to Best Buy and they let my upgrade to an XBox 360 Elite (just paid the diff). The Elite is connected, via HDMI, to the Pioneer Elite PRO-1140HD. I usually switch the signal through a Pioneer Elite VSX-84TXSi (with video conversion off), but I have this problem even if the XBox is directly connected to the display.

When I go into the display set-up on the XBox, the the option for 1080p is greyed out. If I connect the AV cable and use the component connections, the the option is available, but when I switch back to HDMI, it is greyed out again.

According to the Pioneer manual (pg 67), the display will support 1920x1080p@24Hz--is, perhaps, the frequency an issue?

Any thoughts?

Thanks

Question:

I have an 360 Elite and will soon be getting a 1080p TV.

When I select 1080p output in the dashboard, the 360 will take the 720p/60 signal and upscale it to 1080p/60, right? It's not upscaling to 1080i/30 and giving me 30fps, is it? If a game "supports" 1080i, that just means that the 360 will upscale to 1080i if you have 1080i-only inputs on your TV, right?

I play a lot of Halo 2 (and soon Halo 3) and want to make sure I'm getting the full 60fps frame rate. I don't want no 30fps.

I got a KDL-52XBR2 with a XBOX 360 connected through a MS component cable. 1080p is very blurry on my dashboard and 1080i is a lot cleaner. Also when I use full pixel (an option on my TV to eliminate over scan and see the whole 1080i/p image as it is), the picture is under scanned. I got a little black line on the right and a little ghost line on the left. If I don’t use full pixel and use the normal option, the picture is heavily over scanned. Any ideas?

Thanks.

if you use the p.size on the sammy, does that take away from the pixels by stretching the picture out?

Thanks to everyone contributing to these forums. I've learned so much from you. Now I'm hoping for some more specific help.

I just bought a Xbox 360 Elite and am trying to take advantage of its HDMI capabilities. I have an Onkyo TX-SR 803 receiver with 2 HDMI 1.1 inputs and 1 HDMI output. I also have a Westinghouse LCD HDTV (Model W2602) that supports up to 1080i and has a DVI input and VGA input but no HDMI input.

If I connect the system via Elite HDMI out-->Onkyo HDMI-->TV via HDMI-to-DVI cable, my only option under display settings is 480p (the others are greyed out and aren't selectable). If I connect the Elite directly to the TV via the HDMI-to-DVI cable, I have many more options. Instead of 480p, 1080, etc., it gives me resolutions like 1280x720, etc., which are available for me to select.

Can anyone explain why the x-box won't let me choose higher resolutions when connected through my receiver or a fix? I spoke to Onkyo and they confirmed that the 803 can pass through full 1080p. It seems like the x-box isn't recognizing my HDTV throught the receiver. I realize there are work-arounds for this problem, like using HDMI to TV and optical for sound to the receiver. But after spending more money on a receiver with HDMI switching and an Elite with HDMI, I'd like to take full advantage of them.

Thanks in advance,
Stephen

Im in the market for a 1080p set and wanted to know what everybody thinks is the absolute best TV to get for xbox360 gaming in 1080p with the old one. I'm not shelling out 500$ for the elite.
I'm getting a 60-65" tv, and it looks like the Sammy's are the consensus best from what I've read interms of 1080p support over component or VGA, but eventually, I'd also like to get the HD-DVD upgrade so i can watch those in 1080p... seems like i must use VGA for this.

So what should I get??
Looks like most of the Sammy's @best buy are the HLT series, and theres also the newer one w/ the LED light engine (no bulb replacements)

noob question, but will the non-Elite 360's output 1080p from the new 1080p games over component/VGA?
And does the component cable overscan issue only apply to 1080i/720p or does it happen with upconverted 1080p as well?

Not sure if anyone else has this issue or this model tv...my Sammy HLT5689s (led dlp) displays a snow flake effect with the 360 set to 1080p. No issues with any other settings. Also have never seen this effect on my aquos lcd or the sammy lcd.

Hopefully a firmware upgrade will resolve the issue.

Guys i have an sony kdl-40v2500. I have my xbox 360 connected via the VGA cables. When i set my xbox to 1920x1080, everything is fine. What really sucks is that the display on the tv is horrible its all foggy, and washed out. Ami doing something wrong. I wanna see my standard def dvds in 1080p. i was really hoping i wouldnt have to buy an upconverting dvd player.

Guys i have an sony kdl-40v2500. I have my xbox 360 connected via the VGA cables. When i set my xbox to 1920x1080, everything is fine. What really sucks is that the display on the tv is horrible its all foggy, and washed out. Ami doing something wrong. I wanna see my standard def dvds in 1080p. i was really hoping i wouldnt have to buy an upconverting dvd player.

I don't understand your question. In one sentence you said everything is fine, and then in the next you said it was foggy and washed out. What changed?

As far as being foggy and washed out, have you played with the settings? It could something as simple as brightness too high, etc.

Also, on most Sony's the VGA image doesn't fill the entire screen. I assume this isn't an issue for you?

Hi I have a quick question about 1080p on my t.v. I have a westinghouse TX47 and Have my 360 hooked up via component cables. I was just wondering why 1080i looks noticably better than 1080p, especially when viewing the dashboard? I was thinking its because the 360 sucks at upconverting then I keep hearing people say it works great. I'm confused. Just kinda ticks me off that I spent extra money for 1080p.

Hi I have a quick question about 1080p on my t.v. I have a westinghouse TX47 and Have my 360 hooked up via component cables. I was just wondering why 1080i looks noticably better than 1080p, especially when viewing the dashboard? I was thinking its because the 360 sucks at upconverting then I keep hearing people say it works great. I'm confused. Just kinda ticks me off that I spent extra money for 1080p.

You are still getting 1080p, its just that now your TV is doing the de-interlacing instead of the 360.

Hi all,

I recently aquired the Pioneer LX508D (the European equivalent to the 110FD or 5010) - this is the top-end FullHD 50" Pioneer plasma. When I hook it up to the X360 via component cable it defaults to 1080i. If I go to the display settings and choose 1080p my screen goes black. Is this likely because my Plasma can't take 1080p over component? There is nothing in the manual about whether it can or not.

Any guidance would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Petrov.

I have a Pioneer Elite 940hd plasma that can accept 1080p/24hz over HDMI and an Xbox Elite hooked up to it via HDMI. When I go to my Xbox Video settings the 1080p choice is grayed out and I cannot choose it - any ideas why?

I have a Pioneer Elite 940hd plasma that can accept 1080p/24hz over HDMI and an Xbox Elite hooked up to it via HDMI. When I go to my Xbox Video settings the 1080p choice is grayed out and I cannot choose it - any ideas why?

Have you connected to Xbox Live to get the latest console/dashboard update?

Petrov.

Have you connected to Xbox Live to get the latest console/dashboard update?

Petrov.

oh yea - did that long ago. Any other ideas?

oh yea - did that long ago. Any other ideas?

That's really weird - it must be an Xbox issue as the Xbox can't work out whether or not the TV/cable is fine or not. Working back from that, what could possibly stop an Elite with the latest dashboard being able to choose 1080p...? I honestly don't know. Have you tried calling Xbox support - I'm sure they'll be useless.

Petrov.

Have you tried calling Xbox support - I'm sure they'll be useless.

Petrov.

lmao - that's exactly why I've not bothered trying to call them. :)

Your TV only has a native resolution of 1024x768. It probably does not support 1080p/60, only 1080p/24. I'm pretty sure XBox 360 does not support 1080p/24 (yet). I'd leave it at 720p and be done with it. You won't get much out of it for anything over 720p.

Your TV only has a native resolution of 1024x768. It probably does not support 1080p/60, only 1080p/24. I'm pretty sure XBox 360 does not support 1080p/24 (yet). I'd leave it at 720p and be done with it. You won't get much out of it for anything over 720p.

i don't know what you're saying. if the tv is 1024x768, then how can it support 1080p/24?

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3424/350723122PRO-940HD.pdf

The Pio Pro-940HD literature states very clearly "Independent HDMI Inputs with the ability to accept a 1080p/24hz signal". I fully realize my TV is 720p and any image it is supplied will be rescaled to 1024 x 768 - but if it can accept a 1080p/24hz signal why can I not choose that option within the Xbox dashboard if the Xbox is connected via an HDMI cable directly to the TV? Does the Xbox pass a 1080/60 signal and not a 1080/24? I'm baffled.

Many HD DVD players can't output 1080p/24 either (only the latest 3rd Gen Toshiba players support it and a new firmware for 1080p/24 on 2nd Gen players just released yesterday).

1080p/24 is only good for movie playback, not games. You need as high as possible fps in games otherwise you will be owned easily. It is more involved to send 1080p/24 from HD-DVD disc to HDMI output.

I do hope Microsoft to release a 1080p/24 support for HD DVD playback. That will be a sweet gift for videophiles.

I can't seem to find any info on this anywhere. I have my elite connected via hdmi through a marantz sr8001 receiver. when I select 1080p on my elite, anytime I play games, watch movies on the hd dvd, the screen flickers on and off. I have called xbox many times, and there no help at all.I have tried different hdmi cables, re downloaded xbox updates, nothing seems to work. The best I can get without problems is 1080i. If I connect directly to my panasonic pt-ae1000u, my xbox "optimizes" still at 1080i, however if I force it to 1080p, it appears to work without problem.....Any suggestions.....PLEASE:)

How long is your HDMI cable to your front projector?

If I connect via the receiver I have tried both the 3 ft and the xbox hdmi cable to the receiver and then 6 and 14 foot to the projector at different times) If I connect directly to the projector, I have used a 10ft and the microsoft hdmi cable

1080p over HDMI requires more bandwidth and places higher demand on cables. I've heard many stories about PS3 won't pass 1080p until a right cable is used. That's why now I only buy HDMI certified category 2 cable (Cat2 for HDMI 1.3 and 1080p). That don't have to be expensive. HDMI cables longer than 9 feet are especially problematic. Qualities vary a lot.

You can check out Monoprice.com (forum sponser). They have Certified Cat 2 HDMI cables for reasonable price.

1080p over HDMI requires more bandwidth and places higher demand on cables. I've heard many stories about PS3 won't pass 1080p until a right cable is used. That's why now I only buy HDMI certified category 2 cable (Cat2 for HDMI 1.3 and 1080p). That don't have to be expensive. HDMI cables longer than 9 feet are especially problematic. Qualities vary a lot.

You can check out Monoprice.com (forum sponser). They have Certified Cat 2 HDMI cables for reasonable price.

Do you know if there are any national brands that are cat 2 certified? I would like to try this before shelling out more money...I have tried Monster, Fatcats, phillips, microsoft and psyclone

You can try Sony's own for PS3. It's about $50 and I heard works for every PS3 with 1080p problems.

Has anyone tried the 1080p over VGA for Mitsubishi DLP's? Any compatibility issues?

I have a 360 elite and I wanted to use the DVI port on the back of the TV because my 2 HDMI ports are currently occupied. 1080P over component is not supported on this TV.

Here's what i've run into. First if you use the Xbox VGA cable you'll need to get a gender changer to go from VGA to DVI. In your setup menu for the TV you'll need to make sure that your "pc connection" in the net command is set to DVI-A or else you won't get a picture on your TV when your xbox is connected. The bad news is that under this configuration you'll only get a max resolution of 720P.

The reason for this is that the signal as DVI-A and not DVI-D. DVI-A (DVI Analog) will only get you 720P res on the set; however, in order to get 1080P you'll need to get a digital signal to the DVI port (DVI-D). According to the manual you can get 1080P output through the DVI port but it has to be a digital signal and not analog.

I'll be trying HDMI to DVI and see if anything changes. From the cables that I've looked at so far, going HDMI to DVI will get me a DVI-D signal. Hopefully things will work out but i won't know how the dashboard, games or movies will respond until later.

You are still getting 1080p, its just that now your TV is doing the de-interlacing instead of the 360.

So apparently my TV is better at de-interlacing then my xbox. Then why did anyone care about the xbox supporting 1080p? I mean why didnt everyone just choose 1080i and be happy? Does westinghouse have an awesome scaling system or something?

You can try Sony's own for PS3. It's about $50 and I heard works for every PS3 with 1080p problems.

Do you know if there are any national brands that are cat 2 certified? I would like to try this before shelling out more money...I have tried Monster, Fatcats, phillips, microsoft and psyclone

Chaulk up one more that didn't seem to work...Any other suggestions? I really appreciate any given

Hi all,
I have a problem with my 360 and 1080 resolution

Setup:
Xbox 360 updated via XboxLive!
Display: Samsung SyncMaster 244T (1920x1200 60Hz Native resolution)
Connection: VGA Cable by Microsoft

Problem: in 1080 mode the display crops the image to a strange 1400x1050 resolution, with the result that I see only a portion of the image (the right/up portion).

I sent more than one report to MS and Samsung, with no result.

I'm sure that my Samsung is ok on 1080p/i (I used it with the PC) and I hope this issue will be fixed, because I want to buy the HD-DVD and enjoy the full potential of my setup.

Thank you for any help.

Bye
Alan

Anyone else have this problem or even better, a solution? I have this when running 1080p on my Electrohome 8000 CRT projector.

Thx,
Kerry

This has been a nightmare. I have had the cable company out here 5 times since install over a week ago. I have a brand new 2011 55 inch Sammy LED. I love the tv. No problems with DVD's or playing MPEGs from stick mem etc. I have had some issues with netflix, but not relating to 1080p.

This is my second cable box from the cable co. I not having as many issues with this second box .. but 1080p on some broadcasts is still not giving me full screen. I get the black horizontal lines above and below ... you know ... the kind you used to get on old sets when the broadcast was in wide screen? Are these considered pillar boxes (or does pillar box nomenclature only refer to the vertical?). Anyway, I have made every adjustment available ... changed psize from 16:9 ... to "screen size" etc ... checked all of the cable boxes toggles ... even removed the "auto pillar box" option from the cable box (which did actually work on one broadcast channel HBO HD.. but will not work with for e.g. TMC HD). Some signals do give me a whole screen on 1080... but others will give me the "wide screen" black horizontal bars top and bottom and I can't figure out why. Is it the cable head end? Is it the channel broadcast of the movie? When I change channels to an 1080p .. the cable box pauses as if it is trying to find a compatible signal .. not sure if that helps.

Also, for this TV, any 720p HD broadcasts either give me pillar boxes (vertical black bars) or a stretched image. Shouldn't a 1080p tv also be able to aggregate 720p signals? I mean, I could have bought a 720 tv for much cheaper .. .but I thought that buying a 1080p would allow me to watch both ... without sacrificing screen size .. or having to watch stretched images ... AND having to worry about the burn in issues that Samsung warns will occur if you watch pillar box on your screen.

I know this is a lot .. but I'm hoping someone can help cuz this is making me nutty. I'm exchanging the 55 6000 LED for another tomorrow ... but am willing to upgrade to a 6300 .. or 7000 ... or whatever ... if it will help.

BTW: Would this issue go away if I switched to satellight?

TIA,

KS