Please post all 1080P questions/compatability issues here.

If you are having problems... please post them here! We're starting to see way too many 1080P threads popping up.

All new 1080P "problem" threads created after this one will be deleted.

Thanks,

Kyser

Well, I've already posted extensively today on this subject. However, I might as well jump in if we are going to have one thread going. I've got a Samsung LN S4695D 1080p LCD TV. So far, 1080p via VGA is not working. I get a "mode not supported" prompt on my TV and can't even see the 360's dashboard to make any adjustments. Component cables work fine with 1080p, but you don't get the benefit of upconverted DVDs via component. Samsung has advised me to test the VGA input with a PC. I'll do that when I get home tonight.

I've been reading that owners of Sony sets are not getting 1080p over component or VGA.

I have a 46XBR3, plan on getting 360 for GOW, and this 1080p business is starting to worry me.

Can anyone else confirm Microsoft's inability to output 1080p on a SONY set?

Well, I've already posted extensively today on this subject. However, I might as well jump in if we are going to have one thread going. I've got a Samsung LN S4695D 1080p LCD TV. So far, 1080p via VGA is not working. I get a "mode not supported" prompt on my TV and can't even see the 360's dashboard to make any adjustments. Component cables work fine with 1080p, but you don't get the benefit of upconverted DVDs via component. Samsung has advised me to test the VGA input with a PC. I'll do that when I get home tonight.
Are you KIDDING me? This is the first I've heard of a Sammy set having problems also. Anyone else?

If this becomes a problem with other sets, MS really needs to start working on a fix, sooner than later. This could turn into a pretty embarassing situation.

I wonder what the issue is with Sony sets? Maybe the problem isn't on MS's end... There could also be user setting issue's with various sets. Double-check everything!

Regardless, I'm sure it is just a matter of time before it gets fixed. This is the first day of the update after all...

Do any of the displays actually state that they do 1080P over VGA and/or component?

Do any of the displays actually state that they do 1080P over VGA and/or component?

The XBR2/3 does not support 1080p over component. They state that in the manual... but they have 1920x1080 as a supported resolution for VGA. 1920x1080 has been done via PC using the VGA port, so to me it looks like something slightly out of range with the 360... it does /display/ something, but it isn't the whole screen.

To preface I am using a vga cable to achieve 1080p on my Samsung LN-S4695. 1080p seems to be working great for games and all the content on my 360's hard drive, unlike the gentleman above. The upscaled 720p trailers look great. Unfortunately, when I try to stream 1080p WMV's from my PC, the xbox automatically pillarboxes the feed and I get horizontal compression. It is definitely not the files, as they are 16:9 1080p and display properly on my computer monitor. For reference, I am using HD WMV found on Microsoft's website. Any ideas or fixes for this problem?

40" XBVR2 here. VGA doesn't work.

Given I already preordered the HD-DVD drive and some discs to go with it, this is disappointing. Fortunately I can just connect the thing by component (since 1080i is roughly the same as 1080p when viewing 24fps movies) but I won't get 1080 games and I won't get upscaled DVDs if I do that.

I'm hoping MS will issue a patch. This is a very high quality set and I am not returning it to the store just because the 360 isn't producing a standard VGA signal (since it's been confirmed a PC connects at that rez just fine).

To preface I am using a vga cable to achieve 1080p on my Samsung LN-S4695. 1080p seems to be working great for games and all the content on my 360's hard drive, unlike the gentleman above. The upscaled 720p trailers look great. Unfortunately, when I try to stream 1080p WMV's from my PC, the xbox automatically pillarboxes the feed and I get horizontal compression. It is definitely not the files, as they are 16:9 1080p and display properly on my computer monitor. For reference, I am using HD WMV found on Microsoft's website. Any ideas or fixes for this problem?

Actually most of the 1080p videos on the Microsoft WMV showcase site are not full 1080p, they are anamorphic. It means they are encoded at 1440x1080 and streched during playback to 1920x1080. The pillars you see could be a bug in the Xbox360 video player. Can you try with known true 1920x1080 WMV?

Nate

To recap all of mine...Sony VPL-VW50 Pearl projector.

1080i works fine on component.
Up to 1280x768 works fine on VGA although washed out.
1920x1280 on VGA only gives a 1024x768 screen and very dark.
1080p on component does not work.

Sony manual states that 1080p will not work on component.
Sony manual does state that it will take a 1920x1080 fV:60Hz.
This is tested and works from a PC.
Tried all of the input variables including Computer, Component, and RGB I believe it was. Only 'computer' outputs a display. I am using the 'Microsoft' branded VGA cable directly to the projector.

If you are bothered by Microsoft's lack of HDMI support (which I personally am), might I suggest you politely contact Microsoft's Xbox360 hardware support and politely let them know of this fact.

Microsoft Xbox360 Hardware Support
http://support.xbox.com/eform.aspx?...ts&locale=en-us

Microsoft is company that listens to its customers. The more of us that clamor for HDMI support, the sooner it will arrive. Please tell Microsoft politely that VGA and component 1080p support does not work for a large number of popular 1080p TVs. The Xbox 360 is the only mass-market device I can think of that outputs 1080p over component while lacking HDMI. Many people complained about the original Xbox's large controllers, and they came out with a smaller version. Microsoft thought about skipping Xbox compatibility with the Xbox 360, but when people complained they came up with a partial emulator solution. Microsoft does listen, just make sure to contact them so that they will hear you. I already contacted Microsoft support about this awhile ago.

Be clear on this, this is NOT Sony's fault (or JVC). Many 1080p TVs do not accept 1080p over component, and VGA support for computers is not usually the primary application. Microsoft needs to address this issue, not TV manufacturers.

The impatience of people over a "slight" increase in resolution. You can expect that if there is a real problem on MS's part that it will be addressed in a patch. Did everyone really expect that this would work for every display in the world without any issues?

Luckily a lot of displays/projectors accept 1080P over Component, it seems that many Sony displays do not. Give it some time guys... it's not like you're missing out on everything entirely.

Actually most of the 1080p videos on the Microsoft WMV showcase site are not full 1080p, they are anamorphic. It means they are encoded at 1440x1080 and streched during playback to 1920x1080. The pillars you see could be a bug in the Xbox360 video player. Can you try with known true 1920x1080 WMV?

Nate

I'd love to. Any suggestions as to where I can find such a file?

I'd love to. Any suggestions as to where I can find such a file?

At the bottom half of this page are several clips that claim 1920x1080 WMV-HD: http://www.hd-channel.com/535457979d0979003/index.html#53545797ab0ac9930 (german site)

The impatience of people over a "slight" increase in resolution. You can expect that if there is a real problem on MS's part that it will be addressed in a patch. Did everyone really expect that this would work for every display in the world without any issues?

Luckily a lot of displays/projectors accept 1080P over Component, it seems that many Sony displays do not. Give it some time guys... it's not like you're missing out on everything entirely.


Agree 100% give it some time

Unfortunately "time" is not something that all of us can afford - I'm currently still in my 30 day return window, but knowing how notorious Microsoft is for delaying updates/patches, I'd at least appreciate a word that it's being worked or that they are aware of the problem.

I didn't expect it to work with "every display in the world," but with one of the two or three most popular name brand's flagship line? Uh, yeah, I kind of figured that would be checked before they released this update.

Story has been posted on Kotaku (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/1080p/rumor-something-fishy-with-360s-1080p-211414.php), so hopefully that will get someone's attention.

Samsung LNS4695D 46" 1080p LCD

1080p via component -- WORKS!!!
1080p via VGA -- WORKS!!

Woo Hoo.

But I did learn that this set does not accept 720p via VGA.

I have my 360 in the family room connected at 720p via VGA to my 61" Samsung HLN model DLP.

I also have it connected to the 1080p Sammy LCD in the bedroom via component at 1080i. I liked it this way as the 360 remembers the settings for each connection type it was last connected to. So, I never had to adjust them. When it was connected VGA to the DLP, it remembered 720p. When I connected it to the LCD via component, it knew 1080i.

So, I pick up a second VGA cable for the LCD. Quickly grab the updated 360 and take it to the bedroom for 1080p. Component was set to 1080p and the set quickly synched. VGA on the other hand was tricky as it remembered its 720p setting from the VGA connection to the DLP in the family room. The LCD was saying "mode not supported". I could not see the dashboard.

So, I took the 360 back to the family room. Set the settings to the lowest setting via VGA and took it back to the bedroom. Once reconnected to the LCD at its lowest setting, I could then get in the dashboard. Updated to 1920 X 1080 and the LCD synched right up.

Glad it works!

But, for anyone that is using VGA on multiple displays now, make sure that before you move it, to use a resolution that is acceptable by both displays before re-connecting it.

It is a bit of a p.i.a., but it works non the less.

Looks great btw.

Later

Samsung LNS4695D 46" 1080p LCD

1080p via component -- WORKS!!!
1080p via VGA -- WORKS!!

Woo Hoo.

But I did learn that this set does not accept 720p via VGA.

I have my 360 in the family room connected at 720p via VGA to my 61" Samsung HLN model DLP.

I also have it connected to the 1080p Sammy LCD in the bedroom via component at 1080i. I liked it this way as the 360 remembers the settings for each connection type it was last connected to. So, I never had to adjust them. When it was connected VGA to the DLP, it remembered 720p. When I connected it to the LCD via component, it knew 1080i.

So, I pick up a second VGA cable for the LCD. Quickly grab the updated 360 and take it to the bedroom for 1080p. Component was set to 1080p and the set quickly synched. VGA on the other hand was tricky as it remembered its 720p setting from the VGA connection to the DLP in the family room. The LCD was saying "mode not supported". I could not see the dashboard.

So, I took the 360 back to the family room. Set the settings to the lowest setting via VGA and took it back to the bedroom. Once reconnected to the LCD at its lowest setting, I could then get in the dashboard. Updated to 1920 X 1080 and the LCD synched right up.

Glad it works!

But, for anyone that is using VGA on multiple displays now, make sure that before you move it, to use a resolution that is acceptable by both displays before re-connecting it.

It is a bit of a p.i.a., but it works non the less.

Looks great btw.

Later

Cool. I'm tempted to exchange my XBR2 for a 4095D if we don't hear anything about this in the next week or two - how bad is motion blur and overscanning?

My Samsung HL-S5087W DLP works in 1080p mode via the VGA connection. I'm sure it works on the component connection too, but I switched to VGA since Microsoft (via Major Nelson) is saying that DVD upscaling will only work over the VGA cable.

The only issue I have is that the image is pulled in about a 1/4" from all sides. I've not seen that happen on either the S-VHS or Component inputs on my TV. I've no idea about either of the HDMI inputs, as I don't have any HDMI devices at the moment. Hopefully there's some way I can adjust the picture to fill the frame.

jeff, use the p.size button on the remote and you can adjust it to get rid off the borders

Cool. I'm tempted to exchange my XBR2 for a 4095D if we don't hear anything about this in the next week or two - how bad is motion blur and overscanning?


Have not really played with it (too many trick or treaters), just made sure it worked. :D

Dashboard looks great though. Did not notice any overscan.

Later

1080P over VGA on the Westinghouse LVM-37W1 works perfectly, though I did have to re-autosync.

I currently have a Sony GDM-W900 monitor which I have connected to my 360 using the VGA cable. When I attempt to enable the 1920x1080 resolution mode, the screen goes black as if it were unable to support the resolution. I've double checked the monitor specifications and tested the resolution using my PC, and it should work.

Might this be related to the other Sony 1080p problems going on, and does anyone have any advice as to how I could go about solving this? Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks,
Tommy

I tried 1080p via component in my LVM-37W3 westy and the colors look wash out and it shows some color shading between blue & green especially in motion. will get VGA cables tomorrow.

Sharp Aquos 37D790U

Component: 1080p works fine
DVI: Have to use a VGA adapter, every rez works EXCEPT 1080p. Which is odd because a pc sending a 1080p analog signal works fine. Something is def up with the way MS is throwing out this signal.

1080p over component or VGA isn't working for the HP MD5880n, although component is apparently supported on the HDTV

jeff, use the p.size button on the remote and you can adjust it to get rid off the borders

D'oh! I have been using my Harmony XBox360 remove for so long I forgot about the P.Size button on the Samsung remove. Thanks for reminding me!

I own a Samsung HL-6168W. 1080p, 720p work fine over VGA for games and DVD's.

Samsung LNS4695D 46" 1080p LCD

1080p via component -- WORKS!!!
1080p via VGA -- WORKS!!

Woo Hoo.

But I did learn that this set does not accept 720p via VGA.

I have my 360 in the family room connected at 720p via VGA to my 61" Samsung HLN model DLP.

I also have it connected to the 1080p Sammy LCD in the bedroom via component at 1080i. I liked it this way as the 360 remembers the settings for each connection type it was last connected to. So, I never had to adjust them. When it was connected VGA to the DLP, it remembered 720p. When I connected it to the LCD via component, it knew 1080i.

So, I pick up a second VGA cable for the LCD. Quickly grab the updated 360 and take it to the bedroom for 1080p. Component was set to 1080p and the set quickly synched. VGA on the other hand was tricky as it remembered its 720p setting from the VGA connection to the DLP in the family room. The LCD was saying "mode not supported". I could not see the dashboard.

So, I took the 360 back to the family room. Set the settings to the lowest setting via VGA and took it back to the bedroom. Once reconnected to the LCD at its lowest setting, I could then get in the dashboard. Updated to 1920 X 1080 and the LCD synched right up.

Glad it works!

But, for anyone that is using VGA on multiple displays now, make sure that before you move it, to use a resolution that is acceptable by both displays before re-connecting it.

It is a bit of a p.i.a., but it works non the less.

Looks great btw.

Later


Hallelujah!!! This was my exact situation! I have a Westy LCD in the bedroom. I moved the 360 in there and tested the VGA. It worked; no problem. I set the resolution down from 1280 x 720 to 640 x 480. I moved the 360 back to my Samsung 1080p TV and the VGA worked. All I had to do was up the resolution back to 1920 x 1080 and .......Whoomp! There it is! Thanks for the tidbit. It was a P.I.A but I am just glad it works.

To gather them into one place... I was wrong on the Sony Pearl. They do only accept 1920x1080 through HDMI.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jrseau55
Agreed. It's definitely short-sightedness on Microsoft's part not to offer HDMI when they have claimed that the Xbox 360 is already capable of supporting digital video output. Why limit the choices? Anyway, looking at the Pearl manual more carefully, it clearly states in there that it will only accept the 1920 X 1080 via the HDMI connections. Bah!



WOW... page 64/65 of the manual. Input A computer signal only goes to 1280x768 which is what I have found.

Man I read page 61 where it states acceptable computer signals Maximum Res 1920x1080 fV:60Hz. But you are right, they are talking computer signal through HDMI and not VGA.

Well, there is my answer. Back to 1080i component for me

Sony A2000 isn't accepting 1080P through component. I don't own the VGA cable, but from what I read throughout many forums, VGA is pretty ugly.

On the back panel, and keep in mind this TV is fully 1080P capable, next to the component, it states 480i/480p/720p/1080i. That's it. Notice how 1080P is missing. Perhaps it doesn't work at all over component?

I have 480p and 1080i issues. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=744036)

Sony A2000 isn't accepting 1080P through component. I don't own the VGA cable, but from what I read throughout many forums, VGA is pretty ugly.

On the back panel, and keep in mind this TV is fully 1080P capable, next to the component, it states 480i/480p/720p/1080i. That's it. Notice how 1080P is missing. Perhaps it doesn't work at all over component?


Well it is missing because it tells you in the manuel that the only way you can get 1080P is through HDMI. Your scaler in your display is doing the exact same thing as the scaler that was updated to the 360. I personally don't think you are missing much if anything at all.

I just got off the phone with Microsoft. Sounds like they are well aware of the 1080p issues. I felt like the guy in the commercial getting the "That is a problem and we are working on it" response. They said to give them a couple of days to resolve this, but that it will be fixed. I am one of the XBR2 owners who jumped on the HD DVD add-on bandwagon. At least MS doesn't appear to be passing the buck. Time will tell.

Samsung HLS5687W here, 1080p works over component as previously mentioned and I am getting a VGA cable early next week, so I'll post about that as well. Honestly, I'm not impressed with the 1080p. On my tv, it looks like the 720p signal to me.

The biggest difference is in the actual dashboard itself. I was currently running in 1080i and the text in the dashboard was nice and sharp, however, if I switch it to 720p or 1080p, the text becomes a little blurry. My thinking is that my TV is doing a better job of de-interlacing the 1080i signal than it does letting the 360 deinterlace or downscale to 720p. Anybody else have this same situation?

1080p over VGA & Component not working for HP MD5880n & MD6550n HDTV's!

I Emailed HP CEO Mark Hurd & suggest you HP owners of this TV model do the same, hopefully something can be done say via a Firmware update. I had an issue a fe wmonths back with my original HP TV & was getting no where with customer service, I found the web page to contact Mark Hurd (HP CEO) & I got a response within 2 days & everything was resolved, so it does work to Email.

Here's the web page link, , once @ the page, just scroll down, fill in the info & send email.
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/email/hurd/index.html

I also suggest you call into HP customer support & alert them to this issue.

the HP's are advertised as NOT compatible with 1080p @ 60Hz over component and VGA, only 24 + 30 fps. i believe that's the reason why it doesn't seem to be working for us, and have a feeling that may be true for some other brands as well.

i'm going to wait and see before i start spamming HP's CEO. however, bothering microsoft for an HDMI connection sooner rather than later sounds like a good idea... their current strategy makes no sense, the Xbox needs an HDMI connection if they are to be taken seriously as a modern HD device, let alone serving up 1080p video.

I can vouch for 1080p over VGA on the Samsung hl-s6187w. I think the vga looks a lot better and like the upscaling of DVD's. I also found Transcoded divx unwatchable on the components, on vga it looks ok. I am happy.

I can vouch for 1080p over VGA on the Samsung hl-s6187w. I think the vga looks a lot better and like the upscaling of DVD's. I also found Transcoded divx unwatchable on the components, on vga it looks ok. I am happy.

Is the 1080p over VGA sharp? Is it noticeably better than 1080i?

This is getting ridiculous :rolleyes:

the HP's are advertised as NOT compatible with 1080p @ 60Hz over component and VGA, only 24 + 30 fps. i believe that's the reason why it doesn't seem to be working for us, and have a feeling that may be true for some other brands as well.

I have the HP MD5880n and I can confirm that it does NOT work over Component. I have not tried VGA because this TV does not support 1080p over VGA (sucks).

I have opened up a ticket with HP and Microsoft. Apparently everyone is aware of the problem, and I'm glad to see that other people are having similar issues. Well, not "glad", but with more voices, we all have a better chance of getting a quick response.


PS: phantom I didn't realize you posted here! Or perhaps I have a bad case of deja'vu. :)

The impatience of people over a "slight" increase in resolution.

Please. What about those without VGA that would also like upscaling of SD DVD's. What about higher-res audio for HD-DVD's? What about the benefits of few D/A , A/D conversions?

You're not giving the problem proper emphasis here...

Please. What about those without VGA that would also like upscaling of SD DVD's. What about higher-res audio for HD-DVD's? What about the benefits of few D/A , A/D conversions?

You're not giving the problem proper emphasis here...

It's a $200.00 add on... don't expect perfection!
Buy a stand alone player if you want the best...

It is really that simple.
If they manage HDMI in the future... consider it a gift.

Kyser

It's a $200.00 add on... don't expect perfection!
Buy a stand alone player if you want the best...

It is really that simple.
If they manage HDMI in the future... consider it a gift.

Kyser

I agree. Go for the upcoming Toshiba A2 if you want a solid HD-DVD player. If you want a cheap alternative, the Xbox 360 HD-DVD will be just that. Personally, I want HDMI to eliminate deinterlacing artifacts on upscaled 360 games (and native 1080p games if they ever ship any). There are plenty of other options for upscaling DVD players, and HD-DVD players. There is currently only one system that plays Xbox 360 games.

It's a $200.00 add on... don't expect perfection!
Buy a stand alone player if you want the best...

It is really that simple.
If they manage HDMI in the future... consider it a gift.

Kyser
I agree with the sentiment that there is an impatience to get a slightly better resolution amongst the press and hardcore videophiles.

However, that being said, if they claim to give 1080p, then they had better make a good way of providing that 1080p. Video via VGA for TV sets has always been "tweaky" at best, and broken at its worst. The problem is that the VGA input has always seemed to be an afterthought for TV manufacturers. I'm glad that there is a thread here on the subject, but I also agree with the other poster that the problem is more than just not getting full 1080p *RIGHT NOW*.

As for the stand alone player...... I have yet to hear of a HD-DVD (or Blu-Ray for that matter) that subscribes to the full specs of the format. So I don't see how that suggestion would be a solution to the issue at hand.

It's a $200.00 add on... don't expect perfection!
Buy a stand alone player if you want the best...

It is really that simple.
If they manage HDMI in the future... consider it a gift.

It's a $200 add-on because a lot of the "guts" that we'd need are already in our $300-$400 360's that we paid for. It's not like I can just bring the HD-DVD add-on player home and use that by itself.

There's no reason to expect/accept that much of an "inferior product" here.

If they are going to crow about having 1080p, they need to provide it the way the majority of people are able to accept it. MS has dropped the ball by overlooking HDMI...there's not much else that needs to be said about it.

However, that being said, if they claim to give 1080p, then they had better make a good way of providing that 1080p. Video via VGA for TV sets has always been "tweaky" at best, and broken at its worst.

But... 1080P over Component is working great for most and certainly everyone has Component?

Gaming is what the 360 is all about... there is now 1080P gaming (upscaled at the moment) via Component and VGA. Give them time to work on tweaking VGA and upscaling for an add-on (HD DVD) that isn't even out yet.

But... 1080P over Component is working great for most and certainly everyone has Component?

It is? (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=4007)

It's a $200 add-on because a lot of the "guts" that we'd need are already in our $300-$400 360's that we paid for. There's no reason to expect that much of an "inferior product" here. If they are going to crow about having 1080p, they need to provide it the way the majority of people are able to accept it. MS has dropped the ball by overlooking HDMI...there's not much else that needs to be said about it.I agree with this sentiment. However, to play devil's advocate, the 360's A/V output is analog. From what I can gather, the HDMI specs require a non-analog translation. That would be the most likely culprit of why there is no HDMI cable currently available. But... I could be wrong. :)

But... 1080P over Component is working great for most and certainly everyone has Component?
No offense intended, but I'm going to have to call the "NO" card (the polite version of the card ;) ) on that one. Microsoft itself has said that almost all sets they tested didn't have 1080p over component. That's why they're basically telling their users that in order to get 1080p they need to have the VGA cable.

1080P over VGA on the Westinghouse LVM-37W1 works perfectly, though I did have to re-autosync.

Hmm, mine is not working. But what is the "autosync" you speak of. I get gibberish (lines all over) and cannot make out the dashboard (with VGA and Component). And the LVM-37W1 should do 1080P over component.

What did you do to make it work? Something is not kosher about how the 360 is sending out the signal I think.

Also, what firmware is your Westy? Maybe thats an issue. Thanks for your response.

D

No offense intended, but I'm going to have to call the "NO" card (the polite version of the card ;) ) on that one. Microsoft itself has said that almost all sets they tested didn't have 1080p over component. That's why they're basically telling their users that in order to get 1080p they need to have the VGA cable.

Do you have a source for this MS quote?

Most people I know have 1080P working via Component or VGA. I do. Of course, I'm talking about projectors and non Sony displays.

Still, provide a link please...

Thanks,

Mike

It is? (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=4007)

Please! That poll is a joke. Half the people picked "Don't own a 1080p TV, I just want a button to push"

And the rest is close to 50/50

And do people who are having zero issues come here looking for help and vote in that poll? Nope. I haven't even voted in it...

Sorry... a poll of that size means very little. 42 people... please. 26 of which are fine with VGA or Component.

All I'm saying is give it time! Anyone who thinks that it should have been perfect for every display upon release is seriously misguided.

Do you have a source for this MS quote?
Certainly:

http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2006/10/15/Show-198-The-one-about-1080p-and-Family-Settings.aspx

You'll have to listen to the show, but its in there. :)

Certainly:

http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2006/10/15/Show-198-The-one-about-1080p-and-Family-Settings.aspx

You'll have to listen to the show, but its in there. :)

Edit: Fine, I'll listen to it...

Like I've said... give it time. It seems to be working great for many via VGA and/or Component. I'm sure they'll work it out for everyone else. Give it time.

360's 1080p works fine on my PC monitor via VGA (Sony FW900 CRT).

After playing a few games I cant tell any differance in quality vs. the previous mode I used to run (1360x768). but then again there arent any true 1080p games out yet.

Here's a pic , my camera caused the bright horizontal line at the bottom of the screen.

No offense intended, but I'm going to have to call the "NO" card (the polite version of the card ;) ) on that one. Microsoft itself has said that almost all sets they tested didn't have 1080p over component. That's why they're basically telling their users that in order to get 1080p they need to have the VGA cable.
WOW! They didn't really say that at all. They said that they even found TV's that claimed that they wouldn't do 1080P over Component and they did!

They did say that VGA was a safe bet though... I'll give you that.

Like I said though, they couldn't possibly test it for every display.

Besides, there are so many early adopters of HDTV's that don't have HDMI. I say start with them... and they have. VGA is for everyone else, now we just have to work the kinks out.

Again guys... we're lucky to get any of this.

I have the XBR1 LCOS and the 1080p thru component does NOT work...I know its not a Real 1080p TV, but I think the 1080p setting should work anyway(just not being "True" 1080p)

I don't know if this is the right thread to ask but for those that do have the component and VGA connections working, lets hear some serious details. Can we get some detailed feedback on PQ & SQ for those who may possibly still be on the fence concerning A2 or Xbox Add-on. Pics would also be nice. If this thread is problem related only then I apologize. I need to make a quick decision on A1, A2 or Xbox.

Thanks

Andre

It's a $200.00 add on... don't expect perfection!


2 out of 3 of my points have nothing to do with the add-on. It's strictly a wider connection problem which ALSO impacts the add-on.

...even MORE reason why lack of HDMI is such a problem...

WOW! They didn't really say that at all. They said that they even found TV's that claimed that they wouldn't do 1080P over Component and they did!

They did say that VGA was a safe bet though... I'll give you that.

Like I said though, they couldn't possibly test it for every display.

There's a simple solution to the problem of not being able to test it with every display: Allow color correction/screen position/frequency to be dealt with by the user in software. That's what pretty much every PC video card maker out there does.

2 out of 3 of my points have nothing to do with the add-on. It's strictly a wider connection problem which ALSO impacts the add-on.

...even MORE reason why lack of HDMI is such a problem...
Not for me and many others... Did you know that most HDTV's in homes right NOW don't have HDMI? They project that by 2009 slightly more than half will have HDMI.

This reminds me of the shortages and everyone screaming at MS during the 360 launch. Same thing is about to happen in the PS3 forum..

Give things time and they will work out. Just don't "count" on HDMI. If it was a "given" it would have been on the system at launch.

WOW! They didn't really say that at all. They said that they even found TV's that claimed that they wouldn't do 1080P over Component and they did!

They did say that VGA was a safe bet though... I'll give you that.

Like I said though, they couldn't possibly test it for every display.

Besides, there are so many early adopters of HDTV's that don't have HDMI. I say start with them... and they have. VGA is for everyone else, now we just have to work the kinks out.

Again guys... we're lucky to get any of this.

My TV only accepts 1080p over HDMI. Granted, it is not a 1080p display (Pioneer 6070) but it does accept the 1080p signal via HDMI which I wanted so my TV would downscale it. Plus, I have tried VGA and it does not look good on my TV, to soft. Old JVC progressive scan DVD player looked better and games were not even close. So VGA is out for me. Just wanted a device that can output HDMI. I also disagree when you say it is a $200 player. It is not, sorry to be mean but I hate people keep saying that. It is the same price as the Toshiba and the new Toshiba coming out. You HAVE to have the 360 also, which puts the price at or ABOVE a Toshiba.

Well it seems to work fine on my Samsung HLN-5668W through the VGA. I set it to 1920X1080 and it came up just fine. The image isnt vastly improved but it does look a little better than 720p. I do notice that the minimal amount of lag that existed before is now completely gone. I guess taking that last bit of conversion the TV had to do to get from 720p to 1080p helped.

As far as people with Sony TVs having problems is concerned, it has been mentioned on another message board I go to that the problem may be related to the way the Xbox synchs the signal. It has been suggested that the Xbox may be doing synch on green. One of the members of that message board stated that their Sony manual states that the TV does not support synch on green. If that is the case then the problem could be simple. Microsoft should be able to change the way the signal synchs up. Since Sony owners have no problem with 720p over VGA it is likely that the 720p signal is not using synch on green. Microsoft would then only need to change the 1920X1080 signal to synch the way the 1280X720 signal does. Of course I have no idea if there are other factors involved but hopefully thats all there is to it.

You HAVE to have the 360 also, which puts the price at or ABOVE a Toshiba.
Fine. If you're going to make that comparison... how many 360 games does the Toshiba play? :rolleyes:

Seriously guys....

Fine. If you're going to make that comparison... how many 360 games does the Toshiba play? :rolleyes:

Seriously guys....

Totally agree. It was just that some people are saying it is a $200 player, you shouldn't expect a lot from it, if you want more go buy a standalone. Well this player costs more then a standalone since it goes with the 360. Because of that, I was expecting it to be more feature rich. That is all.

I am buying it, I do love the 360, a LOT! Will probably buy the PS3 also since I am such a rabbid gamer. I hope it does HDMI for its blu-ray better then Microsoft's HD-DVD. Oh well, guess we have to live with what we are getting on this player.

As far as people with Sony TVs having problems is concerned, it has been mentioned on another message board I go to that the problem may be related to the way the Xbox synchs the signal. It has been suggested that the Xbox may be doing synch on green. One of the members of that message board stated that their Sony manual states that the TV does not support synch on green. If that is the case then the problem could be simple. Microsoft should be able to change the way the signal synchs up. Since Sony owners have no problem with 720p over VGA it is likely that the 720p signal is not using synch on green. Microsoft would then only need to change the 1920X1080 signal to synch the way the 1280X720 signal does. Of course I have no idea if there are other factors involved but hopefully thats all there is to it.

Not likely... I did my own initial investigation, and the source of the problem is the horizontal frequency.

The XBR2 is looking for a: 1920x1080, 60Hz Vert, 67.5kHz Hor
The 360 is providing: 1920x1080, 60Hz Vert, 66.9kHz Hor

That is 500-600Hz off of what it is expecting. My guess is that the Sony is picky about the horizontal frequency, more than the Samsungs are (since the Samsung is expecting a horizontal frequency noticably lower than what the 360 is providing as well).

Totally agree. It was just that some people are saying it is a $200 player, you shouldn't expect a lot from it, if you want more go buy a standalone. Well this player costs more then a standalone since it goes with the 360. Because of that, I was expecting it to be more feature rich. That is all.

I am buying it, I do love the 360, a LOT! Will probably buy the PS3 also since I am such a rabbid gamer. I hope it does HDMI for its blu-ray better then Microsoft's HD-DVD. Oh well, guess we have to live with what we are getting on this player.

I look at it differently. When I picked up the 360 on launch day I did not expect to eventually use it as a HD DVD player. I bought it for gaming...

Now I see a $200.00 window into the HD DVD world and I'm going to take it. We don't even know how the whole HD DVD/Blu Ray thing is going to turn out...

I see it as a cheaper alternative over buying a $500 stand alone player. If HD DVD ends up dying... I'll have only lost $200.00

I bought the 360 for gaming and I'll still be using it for that purpose win or lose.

Not likely... I did my own initial investigation, and the source of the problem is the horizontal frequency.

The XBR2 is looking for a: 1920x1080, 60Hz Vert, 67.5kHz Hor
The 360 is providing: 1920x1080, 60Hz Vert, 66.9kHz Hor

That is 500-600Hz off of what it is expecting. My guess is that the Sony is picky about the horizontal frequency, more than the Samsungs are (since the Samsung is expecting a horizontal frequency noticably lower than what the 360 is providing as well).

I read the manual for your TV and it does look like you are right. The manual for my TV lists the Horizontal Frequency at 66.6. That would explain why it works on mine. The interesting thing is that according to my manual my TV is using VESA timings for all resolutions 800X600 and above. This includes 1920X1080. The manual for your TV states that at 1920X1080 it is using EIA standard timings instead of VESA. Microsoft probably stuck to VESA timings and that is why Sony TVs are not working. Microsoft probably could fix this but by doing so may break support for TVs that are already working. The only other thing they could do is to allow you to individually set the Horizontal and Vertical frequencies. I dont know if they want to do this though due to the risk of people causing damage to their TVs/monitors if they select the wrong frequency.

I have the XBR1 LCOS and the 1080p thru component does NOT work...I know its not a Real 1080p TV, but I think the 1080p setting should work anyway(just not being "True" 1080p)

I have this tv and don't see where in the manual it says it supports a 1080p signal. This is not a true 1080p tv. it upconverts to 1080p. This is a feature, not a problem.

I read the manual for your TV and it does look like you are right. The manual for my TV lists the Horizontal Frequency at 66.6. That would explain why it works on mine. The interesting thing is that according to my manual my TV is using VESA timings for all resolutions 800X600 and above. This includes 1920X1080. The manual for your TV states that at 1920X1080 it is using EIA standard timings instead of VESA. Microsoft probably stuck to VESA timings and that is why Sony TVs are not working. Microsoft probably could fix this but by doing so may break support for TVs that are already working. The only other thing they could do is to allow you to individually set the Horizontal and Vertical frequencies. I dont know if they want to do this though due to the risk of people causing damage to their TVs/monitors if they select the wrong frequency.

For PC support, panels with VGA or DVI will usually support DDC as well. From what I can tell from the behavior of the XBR2 (I will investigate this further as I am not 100% certain just yet), it does support DDC. Using DDC when available would get MS out of this mess without hosing people's TVs. ;)

so, does the new resolution(1080p) show up as 1920x1080 when you connect using VGA cables? If so, it works for my 24" Dell Monitor, just have to adjust screen. Before only would show resolutions up to 1280x 1024.

so, does the new resolution(1080p) show up as 1920x1080 when you connect using VGA cables? If so, it works for my 24" Dell Monitor, just have to adjust screen. Before only would show resolutions up to 1280x 1024.

Yes...

Cool. I'm tempted to exchange my XBR2 for a 4095D if we don't hear anything about this in the next week or two - how bad is motion blur and overscanning?

I have the Sammy 4095D, and I do not notice any motion blur or overscanning. Also, I hooked up the 360 with VGA and my tv said "mode not supported." I had to set the resolution blindly and just listen to the effects the 360 makes to know where I was going. Took a couple of tries and once I set the correct rez it automatically popped up on my tv. But as others have said in the past, the colors through vga look muted. I have yet to decide if I like vga over component just for 1080p for movies.

Not likely... I did my own initial investigation, and the source of the problem is the horizontal frequency.

The XBR2 is looking for a: 1920x1080, 60Hz Vert, 67.5kHz Hor
The 360 is providing: 1920x1080, 60Hz Vert, 66.9kHz Hor

That is 500-600Hz off of what it is expecting. My guess is that the Sony is picky about the horizontal frequency, more than the Samsungs are (since the Samsung is expecting a horizontal frequency noticably lower than what the 360 is providing as well).
Thank you very much Mr. Krevnik. How do you perform these tests?

I have the Sammy 4095D, and I do not notice any motion blur or overscanning. Also, I hooked up the 360 with VGA and my tv said "mode not supported." I had to set the resolution blindly and just listen to the effects the 360 makes to know where I was going. Took a couple of tries and once I set the correct rez it automatically popped up on my tv. But as others have said in the past, the colors through vga look muted. I have yet to decide if I like vga over component just for 1080p for movies.

you don't notice overscan? is that just a simple observation or did you actually do a test to see if there's overscan? we all know samsungs have like 5% overscan, but i'm sure to see if you actually were able to circumvent that somehow ... someway... doubt it though

Not likely... I did my own initial investigation, and the source of the problem is the horizontal frequency.

The XBR2 is looking for a: 1920x1080, 60Hz Vert, 67.5kHz Hor
The 360 is providing: 1920x1080, 60Hz Vert, 66.9kHz Hor

That is 500-600Hz off of what it is expecting. My guess is that the Sony is picky about the horizontal frequency, more than the Samsungs are (since the Samsung is expecting a horizontal frequency noticably lower than what the 360 is providing as well).


Hmm I wonder what the the freq are for my 37D90U aquos, analog 1080p through a vga/dvi work fine coming from a pc. However the 360 is not working. Checked my manual and can't find any info on it. Anyone know were else to look?

Thank you very much Mr. Krevnik. How do you perform these tests?

The Sony frequencies came straight from the XBR2/3 manual for my set. As for the frequencies that the 360 is outputting, well, for that you just need equipment floating around that can do the job. Plenty of higher end monitors will display the horizontal frequency as well... so if you are seeing the same frequency on two different brands of monitor, it is a pretty good estimate there.

Of course, when you still have old equipment sitting around from your electronics tenure in college, you tend to use that to measure. ;)

Hmm I wonder what the the freq are for my 37D90U aquos, analog 1080p through a vga/dvi work fine coming from a pc. However the 360 is not working. Checked my manual and can't find any info on it. Anyone know were else to look?

Look on page 71 of the manual available from sharpusa.com. The D90U only accepts ****x768 via VGA for 16:9-ish. It can take up to 1600x1200 4:3 signals. It doesn't support any form of 1920x1080 over VGA. Seems it has a DVI port? Well, it is interesting, since the DVI port supports analog and digital DVI, but only ****x768 or lower works over analog DVI. Sorry, it it doesn't take 1080p over component, then you are entirely sunk for 1080p on the 360 unless they decide to make an HDMI cable in the future. :(

Not likely... I did my own initial investigation, and the source of the problem is the horizontal frequency.

The XBR2 is looking for a: 1920x1080, 60Hz Vert, 67.5kHz Hor
The 360 is providing: 1920x1080, 60Hz Vert, 66.9kHz Hor

That is 500-600Hz off of what it is expecting. My guess is that the Sony is picky about the horizontal frequency, more than the Samsungs are (since the Samsung is expecting a horizontal frequency noticably lower than what the 360 is providing as well).

Somebody with a PC and something like Powerstrip could check a range of horizontal frequencies to see if the Sony is really that picky. On another forum a poster said he was outputting 1920x1080 @ 60 Hz/65 kHz to his XBR2 from a PC, and it displayed with no problem.

2 out of 3 of my points have nothing to do with the add-on. It's strictly a wider connection problem which ALSO impacts the add-on.

...even MORE reason why lack of HDMI is such a problem...

Meh. Even if it had HDMI everyone would be bitching about HDMI handshaking errors instead of 1080p support on their TV (which is where the problem lies). But at least you'd have a way to get out loseless audio...

Somebody with a PC and something like Powerstrip could check a range of horizontal frequencies to see if the Sony is really that picky. On another forum a poster said he was outputting 1920x1080 @ 60 Hz/65 kHz to his XBR2 from a PC, and it displayed with no problem.

I can probably confirm that. I just haven't done a full run-up with all the tools in my kit on the Sony side yet. I have just tinkered with the 360 side to see what it is doing and compared it to what Sony has written in the manual.

For all we know, it could be that it isn't that the frequency has to be in a specific range, but a specific multiple... But that said, I have tools similar to Powerstrip, and I can confirm if the Sony has DDC working correctly as well.

I have a Sharp Aquos LC-46D62U and I get 1080p over component! :D

Look on page 71 of the manual available from sharpusa.com. The D90U only accepts ****x768 via VGA for 16:9-ish. It can take up to 1600x1200 4:3 signals. It doesn't support any form of 1920x1080 over VGA. Seems it has a DVI port? Well, it is interesting, since the DVI port supports analog and digital DVI, but only ****x768 or lower works over analog DVI. Sorry, it it doesn't take 1080p over component, then you are entirely sunk for 1080p on the 360 unless they decide to make an HDMI cable in the future. :(

Don't go by that manual, its useless. It does take 1080p over component, and it does take 1080p over DVI. The 1080p analog has been tested using a pc and it works fine, I believe the sharp is having the same problem that the sony's are having with the 360 giving it a freq the set does not like.

Take a look at this thread it shows the 1080p DVI analog...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8796825&posted=1#post8796825

I have a Sharp Aquos LC-46D62U and I get 1080p over component! :D

Lucky you. I bought that the 1st day it came out. A week later, with all the banding issues, I had to return it.

It's good to know that 1080p works for you over component. Still waiting for MS to allow 1080p to work over VGA for my Sony 46XBR3

Lucky you. I bought that the 1st day it came out. A week later, with all the banding issues, I had to return it.

It's good to know that 1080p works for you over component. Still waiting for MS to allow 1080p to work over VGA for my Sony 46XBR3

:confused: How is this a M$ problem? Isn't sony the one who chose not to support sync on green or composite sync on that tv?

:confused: How is this a M$ problem? Isn't sony the one who chose not to support sync on green or composite sync on that tv?

MS should support 1080p via VGA to any TV that has VGA.

Sony isn't the only one that's having problems accepting a VGA 1080p signal from a 360.

They shoulda just friggin done an HDMI output from the get go.

"1080p is impossible" right? Hmm...

"HDMI when we need it" right? Need it now, MS, u fools.

I'm sure they'll fix the bug soon. I hope.

I have the XBR1 LCOS and the 1080p thru component does NOT work...I know its not a Real 1080p TV, but I think the 1080p setting should work anyway(just not being "True" 1080p)


Your display is a real 1080P display it just can't recieve a 1080P signal which is what was advertised when it came out. I find it suprising some will say who bought these models like myself that feel like you losing out on somthing especially given the PQ I get from my 360 now with components. I would bet my display that you are not missing out on anything with this update. It simply comes down to your displays scaler or the 360. I betting on the display(my XBR1 60") to look better then the scaler in the 360. The only change is your giving the job of the 360 to upscale vs the display. Guess what. You have been gaming in 1080P the whole time. But if you really feel like you are missing out on somthing then sale it and get the newer models or get any brand that is 1080P.

My TV only accepts 1080p over HDMI. Granted, it is not a 1080p display (Pioneer 6070) but it does accept the 1080p signal via HDMI which I wanted so my TV would downscale it. Plus, I have tried VGA and it does not look good on my TV, to soft. Old JVC progressive scan DVD player looked better and games were not even close. So VGA is out for me. Just wanted a device that can output HDMI. I also disagree when you say it is a $200 player. It is not, sorry to be mean but I hate people keep saying that. It is the same price as the Toshiba and the new Toshiba coming out. You HAVE to have the 360 also, which puts the price at or ABOVE a Toshiba.


Do u have a link to this display because that is the first display I ever hear that isn't 1080P but can accept 1080P via HDMI.

Another HP MD5880 owner here - and 1080p isn't working over VGA or component - I also tested a PC hooked up over VGA just to be sure, and no 1080p. I've talked to both Microsoft and HP on the phone about it.

The guy from HP was an idiot. He told me though it should work over Component and VGA and that my xbox must be the problem. HP owners - I posted more details in the owners thread for this TV.

The guy from MS confirmed to me that lots of people are having 1080p problems. He mentioned timing issues. Besides the 2 support requests I had him file (1080p and an issue with streaming from media player 11 - screw video I can't even get music anymore) he also filled out an official support request for me for a digital output from the 360 - DVI or HDMI, I don't care which.

i have a mitsu wdy57 and i cant get 1080p through component, my manuel says that it can only display up to 1080i and the tv has no vga input, so im stuck. i was gonna buy the hd dvd add on but i dont know if im going to now. the only way i can get 1080p is hdmi or firewire. it sucks i was looking forward to the 1080p signal to. any one know if the hd dvd player will play in 1080i

ps 1st post sorry for the rant and nice meeting you guys

Digimate DGL37 37" LCD here.
Tested 1920x1080 with VGA on PC, works great.
Tested 1920x1080 with VGA on Xbox 360, BLACK SCREEN with INVALID MODE .

Lets hope they figure this one out.

i have a mitsu wdy57 and i cant get 1080p through component, my manuel says that it can only display up to 1080i and the tv has no vga input, so im stuck. i was gonna buy the hd dvd add on but i dont know if im going to now. the only way i can get 1080p is hdmi or firewire. it sucks i was looking forward to the 1080p signal to. any one know if the hd dvd player will play in 1080i

ps 1st post sorry for the rant and nice meeting you guys


These are the funny post to me. How some of you are just now looking at your manuels and don't know what your actual display is capable of doing. I wonder what you all were focused on at the time you purchased these displays to begin with.

Why don't you actually try it out before assuming that just because you can only recieve 1080P only through HDMI, you might be surprised with the quality of your picture with HD-DVD hooked up. Really IMO you should already know by now how good the scaler is in your display to take the 1080I from the 360 and give you the picture you are getting. Regardless you are gaming and watching in 1080P because of the displays native res.

hdmi is the future when it comes to hooking items up, when i purchased the 360 i had intended on purcharsing the hd dvd and knowing that almost all items that produce a 1080 p signal uses an hdmi connection (at least anything new trying to make an hd picture), so when it came to purchasing a tv all i cared about at the time in terms of signal was 1080p with hdmi. i feel ignorant now but who would of thought that a "next generation" machine would use old analog signal vs current digital signal


ps chill out, were all just here to figure out how to solve problems not make more if you want to flame please go to a web site for children and let the adults make conversation

hdmi is the future when it comes to hooking items up, when i purchased the 360 i had intended on purcharsing the hd dvd and knowing that almost all items that produce a 1080 p signal uses an hdmi connection (at least anything new trying to make an hd picture), so when it came to purchasing a tv all i cared about at the time in terms of signal was 1080p with hdmi. i feel ignorant now but who would of thought that a "next generation" machine would use old analog signal vs current digital signal


ps chill out, were all just here to figure out how to solve problems not make more if you want to flame please go to a web site for children and let the adults make conversation


Not flaming but it doesn't make sense with you saying you were looking forward to 1080P with the HD-DVD drive when you didn''t know from the get go your display doesn't accept 1080P. The 360 has been out for a year. Your post makes is sound like you just got this news or somthing. Your alternative is to just get a stand alone HD-DVD player, PS3 or actually try out the add-on and actually see how good the quality is before saying the situation sucks. Thats what happens alot especially when things haven't been tested to begin with alot of people complain and find out the situation isn't as bad as they thought. You don't know yet if you really are missing HDMI to get the best picture for the add-on until you hook it up honestly. Thats the point.


Welcome to AVS glad to have you.

:confused: How is this a M$ problem? Isn't sony the one who chose not to support sync on green or composite sync on that tv?

It's Sony's problem that their standard VGA input doesn't except a non-standard VGA output that claims to be VGA? Interesting...

:confused: How is this a M$ problem? Isn't sony the one who chose not to support sync on green or composite sync on that tv?

It's Sony's problem that their standard VGA input doesn't except a non-standard VGA output that claims to be VGA? Interesting...

It also is not confirmed that sync on green is the issue or causes any issues at all. Sony is not the only tv/display that is having issues either. Regardless of what is going on it is quite apparent that only the Sammys were tested for this update. MS should have tried out a range of monitors and tvs that were 1080p capable.

Toshiba 56MX195 - no 1080p over component or over VGA. VGA colors still washed out. The TV does not state that this is even supported, but it was worth a shot.

Additionally, wasn't upscaling over component on DVD's suppose to be included? My DVD's are still 480p.

Do u have a link to this display because that is the first display I ever hear that isn't 1080P but can accept 1080P via HDMI.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/product/details/0,,2076_310069733_311066753,00.html

You can also view the manual on-line from this link. It also states on that page: Ability to accept1080p/24Hz via HDMI® & Component

However, I can't get component to work, when I try via the Xbox 360 the screen stays dark and the 360 switches back to 720. I am assuming it is the 24hz piece, but don't know as I am unclear on how all that works.

It also is not confirmed that sync on green is the issue or causes any issues at all. Sony is not the only tv/display that is having issues either. Regardless of what is going on it is quite apparent that only the Sammys were tested for this update. MS should have tried out a range of monitors and tvs that were 1080p capable.

Yes I think alot of sites/people are just pointing out the Sony TV's as a reference. Sharp also is having problems among others. Consumer reports gave the Sharp LC-37D90U high ratings and is among the best they have ever tested. I point this out as its considered a great display and a lot of people may own or consider owning it. If there is a bug in the 360 1080p VGA output it needs to be addressed with this TV also.

Toshiba 56MX195 - no 1080p over component or over VGA. VGA colors still washed out. The TV does not state that this is even supported, but it was worth a shot.

Additionally, wasn't upscaling over component on DVD's suppose to be included? My DVD's are still 480p.

No. Upscaling DVD's over component violates CSS encryption. Even stand alone upscaling DVD's are forbidden from doing it.

I can probably confirm that. I just haven't done a full run-up with all the tools in my kit on the Sony side yet. I have just tinkered with the 360 side to see what it is doing and compared it to what Sony has written in the manual.

For all we know, it could be that it isn't that the frequency has to be in a specific range, but a specific multiple... But that said, I have tools similar to Powerstrip, and I can confirm if the Sony has DDC working correctly as well.

Well, seems that my Windows toolset doesn't like Vista, and I have to re-register the Mac apps I use that work well. However, I am definitely starting to wonder what happened.

Sony's panel is communicating what it supports through DDC just fine. Both on Vista and OS X. What I did find is that the timings the 360 is using over VGA don't actually conform to any known standard. Not VESA, and not any others that I can dig up. So while there is still investigation to do, the problem does appear to be out-of-spec timings (other than resolution and vertical frequency) that panels are not liking, and either not being able to support DDC, or choosing to not implement the software end of it.

Edit: As an aside, it could also be a bug somewhere, even if it supports DDC, which creates incorrect timings. These timings, which don't conform to a standard, will not work on panels that are more strict regarding the standards than others.

I give you a big internet cookie krevnik. Now if I can only get in touch with a 360 engineer....

Took this from the VGA settings thread...

I noticed the washed out look when I first hooked the VGA cable to my tv (Westinghouse 37w3). I found something called auto adjust in the tv menus and after selecting it the picture changed and now the colors are just as good as component. The auto adjust does some sort of resynching I think, maybe other tvs have a function like this. Hope that helps someone .

I'm assuming everyone here has tried this? Might be useful...

Auto-adjust on a Westinghouse doesn't do anything to the color. Maybe that guy hit his reset button and put his color controls back to default at the same time he was messing with it.

I'll be getting my Samsung 244t 24" LCD tomorrow so I will post 1080p results ;)

Yes I think alot of sites/people are just pointing out the Sony TV's as a reference. Sharp also is having problems among others. Consumer reports gave the Sharp LC-37D90U high ratings and is among the best they have ever tested. I point this out as its considered a great display and a lot of people may own or consider owning it. If there is a bug in the 360 1080p VGA output it needs to be addressed with this TV also.


Yup thats the set I own and am having vga problems with. Component works, but need to save that for the Wii. VGA looks better on this set also.

hey everyone i have a problem i have the xbox 360 and when i go to the dashboard and set it to 1080p it goes black with lines on it. The tv has a native 1080p so it should work and i dont know if its that i need the VGA cable or not bc im using the componet now. I have the SONY - KDS-R60XBR1 tv now. Need some help thanks!

Read the thread and look around, sony sets are not working with the 1080p update.

Auto-adjust on a Westinghouse doesn't do anything to the color. Maybe that guy hit his reset button and put his color controls back to default at the same time he was messing with it.

It so happens that I am "that guy" lol. I can confirm that first I tried to mess with the color controls (they began at default), and no matter what I did nothing fixed the overbright saturated look. So I returned them to default, did auto adjust and the colors switched to looking like they did with component, but then reset to being incorrect. So it appeared the auto adjust changes were not sticking. I turned my tv off and on, did auto adjust, and then the settings stuck. Then I proceeded to tweak color values.

Short story: the color controls didn't help as significantly as auto adjust did. I think auto adjust had something to do with choosing the correct RGB/PC/Video (unsure of the term) color scheme.

Hmm, mine is not working. But what is the "autosync" you speak of. I get gibberish (lines all over) and cannot make out the dashboard (with VGA and Component). And the LVM-37W1 should do 1080P over component.

What did you do to make it work? Something is not kosher about how the 360 is sending out the signal I think.

Also, what firmware is your Westy? Maybe thats an issue. Thanks for your response.

D

I have firmware 1.05: VGA 1080p works like a charm.
I did nothing special : Plug it in, turn it on, switch to 1080p, watch the image center itself and move on.
(I have the MS-branded cable.)
Had to recalibrate the port because the color characteristics are waaay different from the other ports. Biggest difference is saturation; had to go up from 50 to 80-ish. Video looks sharp and rich; only incrementally better on WMVs than 1080i, but the upscaling on DVDs is very, very good. Again, incrementally better than my Samsung upscaling player but waaay less finicky; the 360 plays every disk I throw at it while the Samsung doesn't like home-burned stuff from the DVD recorder.
Bye-bye Samsung.
(Also, the component ports must've been overscanning a lot; Oblivion menu panels are noticeably smaller and the dashboard has lots of free space around the blades.)

Is sony ever goin to fix it, or is it microsofts problem

hey everyone i have a problem i have the xbox 360 and when i go to the dashboard and set it to 1080p it goes black with lines on it. The tv has a native 1080p so it should work and i dont know if its that i need the VGA cable or not bc im using the componet now. I have the SONY - KDS-R60XBR1 tv now. Need some help thanks!


Well this post clearly shows when you bought this display you either didn't get the correct answers or didn't research enough. The Xbr1 cannot accept 1080P on any of its inputs. The New A2000 50, 55, 60 and the KDS-R60XBR2 and 70" model recieve 1080p through their HDMI connection.

It was never advertised as having the 1080P connection. If someone told you that whenever you had purchased the display then someone lied to you. Plus the manuel weill even tell you the resolutions it accepts.

Well this post clearly shows when you bought this display you either didn't get the correct answers or didn't research enough. The Xbr1 cannot accept 1080P on any of its inputs. The New A2000 50, 55, 60 and the KDS-R60XBR2 and 70" model recieve 1080p through their HDMI connection.

It was never advertised as having the 1080P connection. If someone told you that whenever you had purchased the display then someone lied to you. Plus the manuel weill even tell you the resolutions it accepts.

Too add to this, the only Sonys that accept 1080p over vga is 40 and 46 inch versions of the xbr2 as well as the xbr3.
What about the v2500?

Is sony ever goin to fix it, or is it microsofts problemYou act like this has ben a problem for months...

Patience....

Too add to this, the only Sonys that accept 1080p over vga is 40 and 46 inch versions of the xbr2 as well as the xbr3.
What about the v2500?
Sigh. I wish - that's the set I would have bought.

Sony crippled the VGA on the v2500. I can't remember what it's limited to, but I'm sure someone else has the actual resolution it can put it.

It so happens that I am "that guy" lol. I can confirm that first I tried to mess with the color controls (they began at default), and no matter what I did nothing fixed the overbright saturated look. So I returned them to default, did auto adjust and the colors switched to looking like they did with component, but then reset to being incorrect. So it appeared the auto adjust changes were not sticking. I turned my tv off and on, did auto adjust, and then the settings stuck. Then I proceeded to tweak color values.

That's odd, because auto-adjust doesn't do that on mine. In all the many posts in 1080p Westy threads in the flat panel section here nobody has every noted it doing that. And the description in the manual doesn't indicate that it does anything like that.

But if yours does, it must be repeatable. Maybe you could hit auto-adjust again a few times and tell us what you see.


I think auto adjust had something to do with choosing the correct RGB/PC/Video (unsure of the term) color scheme.

I think this (http://www.techmind.org/lcd/phasexplan.html) is probably a better explanation of the intended function of auto-adjust.

Not for me and many others... Did you know that most HDTV's in homes right NOW don't have HDMI? They project that by 2009 slightly more than half will have HDMI. (...) Give things time and they will work out. Just don't "count" on HDMI. If it was a "given" it would have been on the system at launch.That's a strange way of thinking. You're the chairman of a company and a whole bunch of people are screaming their heads off regarding a problem they're having. You investigate and find out the solution won't cost you much, if anything at all. We're not talking about an entirely new redesign, here. We're talking about a friggin' cable. A cable!!!! That's *it!*

They could still sell it for 2-3 times what its worth and they'd make a killing in sales, just like they did with the original X-Box' component cables. I worked for an EB way back then and can tell you the amount of people who bought that cable was astronomical.

I don't care what some people say. The bottom line is we're not asking for much at all. Either fix this problem via an update or release a cable. The end. The people who find nothing wrong with this are usually the people who have sets that accept 1080P via component or don't have a 1080P capable TV to begin with. Gee, I wonder why you're not unhappy with the situation. :rolleyes:

It's been a given ever since the launch. Even pre-launch interviews for the 360 had HDMI-related questions. M$ being the stingy company that it is wants to avoid needing to pay royalties for the HDMI standard. Makes perhaps business sense, but not when people buy your console at 500$ CDN and they don't get what they want because M$ is being too lazy.

That's a strange way of thinking. You're the chairman of a company and a whole bunch of people are screaming their heads off regarding a problem they're having. You investigate and find out the solution won't cost you much, if anything at all. We're not talking about an entirely new redesign, here. We're talking about a friggin' cable. A cable!!!! That's *it!*


Are you sure about that? Your logic is undeniable... unless an HDMI cable on current 360s is significantly more difficult than they're leading people to believe.

I don't care what some people say. The bottom line is we're not asking for much at all. Either fix this problem via an update or release a cable.

No problem, just give them time to fix it!
People screaming bloody murder over a couple of days without 1080P... This ISN'T the holy grail!

Relax...

No problem, just give them time to fix it!
People screaming bloody murder over a couple of days without 1080P... This ISN'T the holy grail!

Relax...
I know it isnt, I had to trade my grail for the 1080p tv....

I know it isnt, I had to trade my grail for the 1080p tv.... LOL! You were robbed!

Okay, let's get back on topic.

Thanks,

I have a westy ltv-32w6 and when I switch my 360 to 1080p the sides get cut off but it's not as dramatic as 4:3 anyone eles have this problem or is it just because my set is only 720p? Would it even benefit me visually to turn on 1080p because of my 720p res or does this update make certain games run at 1080p? Should I even bother with it or wait till I get a 1080p set? Peace out.

um, if your tv doesnt support 1080p then why are you using 1080p? Just a question. Just use 720p, its fine.

I just deleted the last post. Either post your results with 1080P or don't bother.

The MS bashing stops here...

um, if your tv doesnt support 1080p then why are you using 1080p? Just a question. Just use 720p, its fine.


I'm just wondering why it won't fill my screen reguardless if my tv is 720p shouldn't it still fill the screen. I also noticed that downloads are faster anyone eles think this? I'm also fine with 720p

WOW! They didn't really say that at all. They said that they even found TV's that claimed that they wouldn't do 1080P over Component and they did!

They did say that VGA was a safe bet though... I'll give you that.Yes, they said that there were some that had undocumented 1080p over component. However, they ALSO said that the confusion of who has it, and who doesn't is making them not officially say 1080p over component.

Like I said though, they couldn't possibly test it for every display.Agreed.

Besides, there are so many early adopters of HDTV's that don't have HDMI. I say start with them... and they have. VGA is for everyone else, now we just have to work the kinks out.Totally agree. And, unfortunately, there are many kinks in the VGA output to be worked out. I've read that there's funky things with how the 360 handles VGA. I've also heard that VGA on "normal" TV's produce the "funky" results. Either way something needs to be a bit clearer.

Thank gawd for AVS forum. :D

However, they ALSO said that the confusion of who has it, and who doesn't is making them not officially say 1080p over component.

I really don't know where you are getting some of this information? They have 1080P support listed for VGA and COMPONENT (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2006/1030-novemberupdate-completelist.htm) on xbox.com

Seems official enough to me.

Let's move on and see what happens. They'll figure things out and I'm sure we'll see a patch soon.

Kyser

I really don't know where you are getting some of this information? They have 1080P support listed for VGA and COMPONENT (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2006/1030-novemberupdate-completelist.htm) on xbox.com

Seems official enough to me.

Let's move on and see what happens. They'll figure things out and I'm sure we'll see a patch soon. I think you've missed the point, but yes, not worth dwelling on since we are in agreement that something needs to be tweaked. ;)

Nope, it's officially stated on their site. I think I got it.
A conversation between 2 people on a podcast can be taken many ways, seeing it in black and white on the official site speaks volumes.

Carry on,

Kyser

I have a Samsung 244t 24" monitor, upon selecting 1980x1080 in the dashboard, the monitor proceeds to show me a 1440x1050 resolution. :( :( WTF? Anyone else have this issue?

That's a strange way of thinking. You're the chairman of a company and a whole bunch of people are screaming their heads off regarding a problem they're having. You investigate and find out the solution won't cost you much, if anything at all. We're not talking about an entirely new redesign, here. We're talking about a friggin' cable. A cable!!!! That's *it!*

They could still sell it for 2-3 times what its worth and they'd make a killing in sales, just like they did with the original X-Box' component cables. I worked for an EB way back then and can tell you the amount of people who bought that cable was astronomical.

I don't care what some people say. The bottom line is we're not asking for much at all. Either fix this problem via an update or release a cable. The end. The people who find nothing wrong with this are usually the people who have sets that accept 1080P via component or don't have a 1080P capable TV to begin with. Gee, I wonder why you're not unhappy with the situation. :rolleyes:

It's been a given ever since the launch. Even pre-launch interviews for the 360 had HDMI-related questions. M$ being the stingy company that it is wants to avoid needing to pay royalties for the HDMI standard. Makes perhaps business sense, but not when people buy your console at 500$ CDN and they don't get what they want because M$ is being too lazy.

Even if they come out with an HDMI cable I won't use it becuase of lag in my TV on HDMI. The HLR6168 accepts the 1080P just fine on the VGA without lag. I'm sure if MS can do HDMI they will implement it at some point in the future. It's been a year since the release and they still only have 20GB drives. I would welcome a larger hard drive over the HDMI out personally.
Oh 1080P works fine over vga on my Gateway 21" monitor also. I don't know about component but I have no intention of ever trying that input.

I have a Samsung 244t 24" monitor, upon selecting 1980x1080 in the dashboard, the monitor proceeds to show me a 1440x1050 resolution. :( :( WTF? Anyone else have this issue?
The Acer 24" LCD also has this issue apparently. :( http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=481134

just got an email back from MS support... the gist of it:

I do apologize for the inconvenience. I understand that you have some question on why the Xbox 360 console does not support an HDMI high-definition AV connector.

The Xbox 360 supports HD component video output. HD component video is compatible with most HD-ready TVs that are available today. The Xbox 360 console is designed for the HD market that exists when Xbox 360 is released. We will include HDMI high definition AV connector if and when it makes sense. You do not need HDMI for HD gaming.
I love the "if and when it makes sense" line... same thing, verbatim, that the company has been saying to the press.

what is the point of doing the 1080p patch (something VERY few people will be able to utilize) and then acting like HDMI is just a crazy niche thing? I'm not under any illusions that this email support guy is giving me the inside info on HDMI for the xbox, but it's still frustrating to get this response.

on an slightly unrelated note-- one of our members posting in the HP specific thread was told by Microsoft that the Xbox's 1080p mode is running at 24 frames per second. My HP television, among others i'm sure, *IS* supposed to support 1080p through component at 24 fps, so if this information is correct, then it means there's a bug on one side of the TV + Xbox equation... my money's on Microsoft considering that several models of 1080p TV's don't seem to be working with it.

I can't wait to see the threads that pop up in the PS forum about why their HDMI is not working properly.

The Acer 24" LCD also has this issue apparently. :( http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=481134

How do we let MS know about this issue? I've been reading threads all over the net that 1080p over VGA is not working properly for the 24" LCD Monitors (Acer, Samsung, Sony, and Dell)

Guys, forget the HDMI! Unless MS announces an HDMI cable I don't want to hear about it. Let's deal with the issue of this thread... 1080P over VGA and Component. Stay on topic.

I'll be deleting all further HDMI discussions in this thread.

I have a Sharp Aquos LC-46D62U and I get 1080p over component! :D
Think you think you for posting that bit of info I have just ordered this same display and was getting worried that it would not work with my xbox 360.

So here's my story.

Samsung 50" Plasma hps-5053.

Get "Unsupported mode" message on screen when I restarted the Xbox. What sucks is I have the cables run through the wall, so no I have to go buy other cables to try and get this back to the original settings so I can see the 360.

Anyone else have this set with this problem?

anyone think the patch will let you chose between SRGB color space and NTSC?
I am told this will fix the wash out colors on many monitors and tv's

But... 1080P over Component is working great for most and certainly everyone has Component?

Gaming is what the 360 is all about... there is now 1080P gaming (upscaled at the moment) via Component and VGA. Give them time to work on tweaking VGA and upscaling for an add-on (HD DVD) that isn't even out yet.

If you explore the 1080P native displays, many of them do not actually support more than 1080i over component.

And with the VGA, MS appears to not have implemented this technology by standards and has resulted in displays that do support the world wide standards to malfunction with 1080P over vga.

The argument that the 360 is all about gaming is one that is perplexing given the HD-DVD add on, which does nothing for gaming at all. Nor is the media centre extender. Or the features such as USBKEY based video. Clearly what MS is doing, and also what Sony is doing with the PS3 is trying to own the living room with convergent media hubs.

Think you think you for posting that bit of info I have just ordered this same display and was getting worried that it would not work with my xbox 360.
Same - thanks for posting that about the Sharp. I just picked up a 46" Sammy in the meantime, but if Sharp can get their panels under control as far as the banding I may go back to the Sharp 46".

Agreed with Caldor as well - the 360 is not just a gaming machine.

So here's my story.

Samsung 50" Plasma hps-5053.

Get "Unsupported mode" message on screen when I restarted the Xbox. What sucks is I have the cables run through the wall, so no I have to go buy other cables to try and get this back to the original settings so I can see the 360.

Anyone else have this set with this problem?


The question is are you trying to do 1080P? If so why? Your display doesn't support it. The only Plasma that does thus far is the Pioneer model that came out just a bit ago. Why are you trying a signal that isn't supported by the display?

Well I emailed MS "customer service" about this disappointing issue (Samsung 244t and other LCD's not displaying 1080p properly over VGA, or at all) and here is what they said....

I just received my shiny Samsung 244t and 1920x1080 resolution DOES NOT WORK over VGA for the Xbox 360 :* Instead, a resolution of 1440x1050 is displayed when I select 1920x1080. Is the Xbox not sending the proper signal over VGA to the Monitor? Please help! Thanks!

Thank you for writing Xbox Customer Support!

Thank you for the inquiry. I understand that you have some questions on the resolution for the VGA cable. The Xbox 360 console can output VGA resolutions and corresponding screen formats according to the the following table:
Resolution Screen format
640x480 Normal/Wide
848x480 Wide
1024x768 Normal/Wide
1280x720 Wide
1280x768 Wide
1280x1024 Wide
1360x768 Wide

For further assistance, please don't hesitate to write back or call Xbox Phone Support at 1-800-4MYXBOX (1-800-469-9269) at your earliest convenience. We are open everyday from 9am to 12mn Central Time.

For more information about Xbox360, please visit http://www.xbox.com or http://www.xbox.com/360.

Sincerely,
Taynz
Xbox Customer Care Team

Ahh, thanks? It's all over the internet that many TV's and PC Monitors are not able to display 1080p over VGA properly. This is not isolated to this specific model number. Thanks MS!

I also emailed Samsung, and they responded with, "Thank you for contacting Samsung USA, please call 1-800-SAMSUNG for level 2 technical support regarding this issue."

Maybe Major Nelson can help? :(

I really don't know where you are getting some of this information? They have 1080P support listed for VGA and COMPONENT (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2006/1030-novemberupdate-completelist.htm) on xbox.com

Seems official enough to me.

Let's move on and see what happens. They'll figure things out and I'm sure we'll see a patch soon.

Kyser
That is not official in any way Kysersose.
The 1080p over component is only for games.
If you want 1080p movies you have to use the vga cable.
That is the official word from Microsoft.

That is not official in any way Kysersose.
The 1080p over component is only for games.
If you want 1080p movies you have to use the vga cable.
That is the official word from Microsoft.

I understand that...

I was talking about games. That's all we have to judge at the moment.

has any one tried a vga to dvi adaptor?

my connection is dvi-i which can accept anolog and digital feeds, i orderd one from cablesforless com but im wondering if anyone has tried it yet?

has any one tried a vga to dvi adaptor?

my connection is dvi-i which can accept anolog and digital feeds, i orderd one from cablesforless com but im wondering if anyone has tried it yet?I'm using a VGA to DVI adapter, and I'm getting good results.

has any one tried a vga to dvi adaptor?

my connection is dvi-i which can accept anolog and digital feeds, i orderd one from cablesforless com but im wondering if anyone has tried it yet?


Funny you mention cablesforless, ordered a 3.mm female to female stereo adapter (Too hook up my PC speakers to my 360 using the little y adapter they supply you). Only few places I saw that sold it and didnt know much about the site or if anyone orders from them.

Hi, has anyone tried 1080P on the BenQ DV3750?

i have a 1080p question can anyone explain to me how the 1080p in the xbox 360 works? i keep hearing the 1080p in the xbox 360 wont look as good as the 1080p for the PS3,can anyone confirm this for me? im sorta of a casual when it comes to tech.

BTW 1080p for games

i have a 1080p question can anyone explain to me how the 1080p in the xbox 360 works? i keep hearing the 1080p in the xbox 360 wont look as good as the 1080p for the PS3,can anyone confirm this for me? im sorta of a casual when it comes to tech.

BTW 1080p for games

Depends on the developer for the game. Most of the 1080p 360 games will be unconverted but I have not heard techincal specs from the ps3 games. I do not know if they are going to be native 1080p or upconverted 720p. I do know that pushing a game at 1080p is hard on the system and a few big titles that claimed 1080p can no longer do it.

SO i wonder if MS is going to patch the 360 VGA problems?

semi-good news everyone
I now know the MS has knowledge of this 1080p issue and is working on it. No timetable for a fix but at least they know about and are supposedly working on it. This info comes straight from Major Nelson's podcast.
I have used all of my MS contacts as well as Krevniks great information to get out what the probelm might be. Hopefully this info will expediate this issue.

I have a 60" XBR2 on order (hopefully arrives this week!). I have a Denon 2807 receiver hooked up to my projector (Z4) via HDMI. The 360 currently runs to the reciever via component and out to the projector via HDMI. Has anyone tried sending a 1080p signal via component to a Denon reciever and out to a Sony set? This might work for getting 1080p to the Sony via HDMI.

that would be interesting to find out. Stupid question, do any receiver have rgb/vga input and outputs?

semi-good news everyone
I now know the MS has knowledge of this 1080p issue and is working on it. No timetable for a fix but at least they know about and are supposedly working on it. This info comes straight from Major Nelson's podcast.
I have used all of my MS contacts as well as Krevniks great information to get out what the probelm might be. Hopefully this info will expediate this issue.
Excellent news!

Hi,
have a sony 1292 CRT projector but canot get the xbox 360 to run in 1080P with the VGA! screen scrambles and defaults back.
I'm running 1080p from my laptop via VGA and my centerstage via DVI without any problems.
Please help
Pete

I am currently running Xbox360 via Componant to my Yamaha RX-V2600, then HDMI out to my Sony XBR1 SXRD at 1081i (Tv upscales to 1080p) - As many have stated and should be apparent to fellow SXRD (XRB1) Owners, this set will not accept a 1080p signal in any flavor, nor will the Yamaha pass a 1080p signal (However, over in the 1600/2600 forum at least one dude got it to it!) I am also running a HTPC via DVI>HDMI into the SXRD directly at 1920x1080 @ 30hz (i) and the PQ for DVD's is outstanding.

Let me also remind those of you who forgot, you can "try" resolutions all day with the 360, unless you click OK it will assume the res did not display and revert, just like your PC's do. So saying you tried 1080p and now your stuck makes no sense to me...

I also agree that the scaler in my $4k+ TV is superior to the one in my $400 Xbox, so when HD-DVD comes I will not lament the 1080p issue.

Also, my opinion on why (perhaps) there is no HDMI cable... Just like the heads on your PC video card - Do you have DVI and VGA (D-Sub)? I do, so I can convert DVI to HDMI - Its digital thru and thru. Perhaps the Xbox (equivalent) is a VGA (D-Sub) head only (hence the VGA cable add-on!) and without a digital head on the card, HDMI would be a Analog to Digital conversion (such as what my Yamaha is doing for me). I'm sure someone smarter that I can explain why Analog to Digital is difficult/impossible or otherwise a P.I.T.A. for M$.

I for one am very happy with my experience and do not begrudge any of the brands involved.

My my, seems like almost veryone here who has a 720P native set is trying to get it to do 1080P.

Guy's only this years model's accapt 1080P input.

If you are unsure of what your set support's please read the manual or contact your manufacturer before you damage your set's.

The only tv's out there right now (as far as I know) that really take advantage of 1080P via component are the following Samsung HL-S:

1080P HL-S**67/78/79/87/88

**=screen size.

If I remember right not many set's do 1080P via VGA either, except for the Samsung's, and maybe the new Sony's...

Please research before you break your shiny set's!

Dresden

The sony xbr2 sxrd sets accept 1080p over HDMI.

The sony xbr2 sxrd sets accept 1080p over HDMI.


heh yes but not over component...

ATM Xbox 360 HDMI cables are vapourware. We can all smell them, but just can't find them. :)


Dresden

I just bought a Sony KDL-40V2500 1080p LCD, which is the cheaper version of the 40XBR2. Just hooked up the 360's VGA cable and was able to get 1080p with it. As another AVS poster said somewhere about the UK version of this TV, the TV does display a brief "Resolution not supported" message, but it will display the 1080p signal just fine. The menu shows it running at 1920x1080/60Hz.

Eh, not really much of a difference compared to 1080i component though. If I didn't need to free up a component input, I would feel the $40 VGA cable was a waste of money.

Oh well, regardless of whether I run VGA 1080p or component 1080i, the 360 looks amazing on this TV!

Eh, not really much of a difference compared to 1080i component though. If I didn't need to free up a component input, I would feel the $40 VGA cable was a waste of money.

Oh well, regardless of whether I run VGA 1080p or component 1080i, the 360 looks amazing on this TV!

Yah, it probably is, only reason to buy VGA cable is to view xbox 360 upscaled dvd's.


Dresden

I am currently running Xbox360 via Componant to my Yamaha RX-V2600, then HDMI out to my Sony XBR1 SXRD at 1081i (Tv upscales to 1080p) - As many have stated and should be apparent to fellow SXRD (XRB1) Owners, this set will not accept a 1080p signal in any flavor, nor will the Yamaha pass a 1080p signal (However, over in the 1600/2600 forum at least one dude got it to it!) I am also running a HTPC via DVI>HDMI into the SXRD directly at 1920x1080 @ 30hz (i) and the PQ for DVD's is outstanding.

Let me also remind those of you who forgot, you can "try" resolutions all day with the 360, unless you click OK it will assume the res did not display and revert, just like your PC's do. So saying you tried 1080p and now your stuck makes no sense to me...

I also agree that the scaler in my $4k+ TV is superior to the one in my $400 Xbox, so when HD-DVD comes I will not lament the 1080p issue.

Also, my opinion on why (perhaps) there is no HDMI cable... Just like the heads on your PC video card - Do you have DVI and VGA (D-Sub)? I do, so I can convert DVI to HDMI - Its digital thru and thru. Perhaps the Xbox (equivalent) is a VGA (D-Sub) head only (hence the VGA cable add-on!) and without a digital head on the card, HDMI would be a Analog to Digital conversion (such as what my Yamaha is doing for me). I'm sure someone smarter that I can explain why Analog to Digital is difficult/impossible or otherwise a P.I.T.A. for M$.

I for one am very happy with my experience and do not begrudge any of the brands involved.

I have been saying for a long time I am not concerned about my current XBR1 60" because I have always believed my scaler was goingto be better then the 360. My plan still is to pick up another Sony display the 70" XBR2 but more for the fact of the screen size and also I like the 3 HDMI input. I already know the PQ is good on it and with the 360, I can care less if they move to HDMI. If they do the cool but if I already get an outstanding picture with component now with the display it is paired with, then I don't see what concern I need to have with HDMI. All this concern about needing HDMI then I recommend to folks to wait until the prices come down on the HD-DVD players or get a BR and be satisfied that way. If anyone is in here saying they are getting a better picture with the 1080P 360, then I wonder about the quality of your display scaler then. Same discussion that it was about upconversion dvd players, some saw a better picture some didn't and it was based on different displays.

This may seem a little backwards but can I get 1080i over vga instead of 1080p? Don't get me wrong I love the fact I can get that resolution but I have an 8'' crt and I would like to run it at 1080i resolution and not push it so hard to run 1080p. I would have just used my component but in order to run a component into a rbghv input I need a $150 adapter, so I'm trying to save that money.

So if my television won't display an image after changing to 1080P settings in the 360 menu, that would mean my television cannot accept 1080P over component cables correct? I'm pretty sure I know that's the answer, but it helps to hear that I'm not driving myself crazy reading everything all over the place here. Thanks all.

So if my television won't display an image after changing to 1080P settings in the 360 menu, that would mean my television cannot accept 1080P over component cables correct? I'm pretty sure I know that's the answer, but it helps to hear that I'm not driving myself crazy reading everything all over the place here. Thanks all.


Your manual would have told you this before you tried.

Your manual would have told you this before you tried.

Not. Necessarily.
There are reports of some models that don't officially support 1080 via component but work just fine.

The process in checking out 1080p for the 360 is:
1- Does the display have a native 1080p resolution? There exist 720p and ED plasmas that accept 1080p signals and downscale them. They are relatively rare and a pointless exercise; 360 VGA supports all the common native resolutions so there is no need to resort to scaling games. Go native, folks.

2- Does the display claim to support 1080p/60 over any input? Again, a few rare sets support 1080p/30 or 1080p/24. The 360 doesn't. If the set supports 1080p/60 inputs over one type of port, it *might* support it over another. Or not.

3- If you only care about gaming, try component; if the display is 1080-native it just might work. If it doesn't, the 360 reverts to the previous resolution. Of course, running non-officially supported resolutions is at your own risk. So far, there are no reports of anybody damaging their sets, but...

4- If what you're looking for is DVD upscaling, *then* you need the VGA cable. But you don't necessarily need 1080p. The difference between upscaling to 720/768 and to 1080 is noticeable on some DVDs but not all of them.

5- A bit of common sense: all rumors of HDMI for 360 have priced it at well above the cost of the vga cable, approaching $100, list. Well, an HDMI-capable upscaling DVD player can be had for under $100. A two box solution might very well be cheaper than a digital solution from MS. And a lot less angsty.

6- The value of VGA output on 360 is native, 1-to-1 display mapping. It is more important to run native than to run at 1080. Of course, if the display is 1080-native, then you're golden.

Cheers.

Good explanation but how could you explain the fact that a multi sync CRT projector
like mine(NEC XG-110) can produce a fine 1080p picture fron an HTPC and nothing
but a very dark and garbeled picture from the 360 at 1080p?

Best regards,

Sylvain.

The only tv's out there right now (as far as I know) that really take advantage of 1080P via component are the following Samsung HL-S:

1080P HL-S**67/78/79/87/88

**=screen size.

If I remember right not many set's do 1080P via VGA either, except for the Samsung's, and maybe the new Sony's...

Please research before you break your shiny set's!

Dresden
The component issue is moot at this point, only 2-3 tvs that I know of support it anyways. Even the ones that do support it can only get the upscaled 1080p games, no 1080p movies for them.
The vga issue is where the problem lies. Because the the timing/non standard vga issue my 1080p xbr2 cannot get the 1080 signal. I understand that the tv scaler should be better than the xbox scaler, I agree. But my tv will not recognize the 1080 signal at all, and the only way to trutly take advantage of the hd-dvd player is to get a 1080p signal from the start. So now I have 2 options:
1-Pray that the hd-dvd player can output 1080i through component and that my tv can deinterlace to picture properly
2-MS fixes this "simple" vga issue.

(The below statement is not aimed at anyone in particular)
Is it really that hard to get something that works and not have to settle for something else?

(The below statement is not aimed at anyone in particular)
Is it really that hard to get something that works and not have to settle for something else?

Well, speaking as someone who has just spent the last 6 months on the tools team for Windows CE 6.0 (which just launched, woot), the turn-around time on a fix tends to be awhile. I would say that the moment you see a bug like this, the MINIMUM it tends to take is about 4 business days before you know if the fix worked. That assumes you have an environment to reproduce the bug, find and fix the bug within 24 hours, and have it ready to test the moment you are done fixing the bug, or the next morning, and a full test pass on the code takes at least 3 days, depending on the size of the product (in this case, the 360 display drivers).

That doesn't include the time for making the patch, and testing the patch to try to ensure it doesn't create new bugs or brick systems (hopefully). I just wanted the XBox team to recognize that there was an issue, and they were working on a patch that would address it. After that, we just need to be patient. The best they could probably hope to pull off is have it out by the time the PS3 launches.

Right, I was speaking in a general sense of just wanting things to work right. Not trying to imply the this process is a simple one and that MS should fixed it by now.

Anyone know about hooking up a vga with 1080i output? Or a cheap way to switch a component (rgb) signal to rgbhv?

NateTTU

I believe that vga only does progressive scan so instead of 1080i it would be 720p. At least that's how it is for my XBR2

Hey fjtorres, thanks for the backup. I wouldn't have been asking if it was in the manual obviously, hence the question. I appreciate you taking the time for that, it was more helpful than some other people, as well as the manual.

just posted this on the xbr2 owner's thread.....

troubling news....I just called microsoft to see if anything new was being worked on about the 1080p issue through vga and he said that they are working on the update because it wasn't working on some consoles but he did not know about the 1080p issue through vga on sony televisions. You would think that they would update these xbox live techs with relevant issues! Thank God Gears of War is getting great reviews because Microsoft is starting to tick me off a bit!

just posted this on the xbr2 owner's thread.....

troubling news....I just called microsoft to see if anything new was being worked on about the 1080p issue through vga and he said that they are working on the update because it wasn't working on some consoles but he did not know about the 1080p issue through vga on sony televisions. You would think that they would update these xbox live techs with relevant issues! Thank God Gears of War is getting great reviews because Microsoft is starting to tick me off a bit!


I wouldn't necessarily blame MS for the lack of knowledge the person you spoke with had. In my experience customer service reps don't always have a vested interest in the company they work for and all the issues that arise. To them its just a paycheck and a stepping stone job to something else. Its quite possible this person did receive updated info regarding new issues possibly from a daily email from there manager. Maybe the person just briefed the memo or maybe they flat out didn't know or never read anything. I don't how MS runs its call centers but I can imagine that they being such a large company can get info out to there reps in an effort to be efficient. Now is the person receiving the info applying it is another story. Don't always blame the system for user error. ;)

I have a 60" XBR2 on order (hopefully arrives this week!). I have a Denon 2807 receiver hooked up to my projector (Z4) via HDMI. The 360 currently runs to the reciever via component and out to the projector via HDMI. Has anyone tried sending a 1080p signal via component to a Denon reciever and out to a Sony set? This might work for getting 1080p to the Sony via HDMI.

This is the setup I'm currently putting together and the exact suggestion/question I came to this thread to post.

I'd love to hear if anyone's been successful with this.

just posted this on the xbr2 owner's thread.....

troubling news....I just called microsoft to see if anything new was being worked on about the 1080p issue through vga and he said that they are working on the update because it wasn't working on some consoles but he did not know about the 1080p issue through vga on sony televisions. You would think that they would update these xbox live techs with relevant issues! Thank God Gears of War is getting great reviews because Microsoft is starting to tick me off a bit!

Microsoft XBox CSRs don't know a damn thing 9 times out of 10. I wouldn't worry because one guy who answered the phone didn't know what you were talking about.

That said, it'll be interesting to see what becomes of this "fix" Major Nelson said they are working on. I sure hope they don't hold it over to spring for their first "twice a year" update of '07. I don't think they'd be that dumb. Maybe they could put it in there as a "optional 1080p adjustment" link in the marketplace, similar to the optional Ipod support link. I don't know if they'd want to make it a forced update or not.

Yeah, listen to people like Major Nelson not some CSO.

More good news on the fix coming! (http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/11/06/major-nelson-fix-on-the-way-for-xbox-360-1080p-problems/)

Has anyone tried the 1080p output with a Mitsubishi TV? It says it doesn't accept 1080p over component.


Also I was looking into getting the VGA cable, but would the new mitsubishi dlps accept this? It has a PC-DVI input, but isn't this different than VGA microsoft makes?

Has anyone tried the 1080p output with a Mitsubishi TV? It says it doesn't accept 1080p over component.


Also I was looking into getting the VGA cable, but would the new mitsubishi dlps accept this? It has a PC-DVI input, but isn't this different than VGA microsoft makes?
vga to dvi works fine on the new mits, but really washed out. The tv is designed for pc color levels were the 360 sends out ntsc color levels. Picture looks like A$$.
stick with component until they come out with a fix for vga or a hdmi.

vga to dvi works fine on the new mits, but really washed out. The tv is designed for pc color levels were the 360 sends out ntsc color levels. Picture looks like A$$.
stick with component until they come out with a fix for vga or a hdmi.
thanks. So it seems people with these tvs will be stuck with 1080i or 720p until HDMI is out? Or will the component accept 1080p even though the manual says it won't?

OK time for me to weigh in as well. I have to say that spending $4k on a Sony LCD that can do 1080P via VGA and for MSFT to not have it work pisses me off. So I have a $200 brick of a HD DVD player. I have some pretty high contacts at MSFT and I plan to see where I can get on finding us an answer. But I would guess they are not really that concerned. We need to rattle their cage to get them moving. Keep calling them. Call each day. Send them emails. Post to sites etc. Keep the pressure on and we might get a resolution. If not this $200 brick goes back.

I hate to defend MS, but it's a brick? Really? Come on. You can play it at 1080i through component, and it should be much better than any HD cable or sat movie broadcast. When MS gets around to fixing their problem and you see it at 1080p, I bet anything the difference (if there is one) is going to underwhelm you.

I hate to defend MS, but it's a brick? Really? Come on. .

I understand that the brick comment is harsh but I am pissed. I am huge MS fan. I work with Redmond a lot and was with a meeting with Balmer a few weeks ago but how many 1080p sets are out there and they didnt test with a Sony? This reminds me of the Cobra Mustang a few years ago when the HP was over stated and Ford got sued and lost. The debate of 1080i vs. 1080p is a whole other discussion you are right I might not be able to tell the difference but I talked up the HD DVD to the wife and others. It gets here and then magic of 1080p HD DVD is not much different then the Oppo upscaled DVD. Again a stretch comment but I want what I pay for. I didnt pay for 1080i that is my Oppo.
Come on MS prove me wrong. I have friends in Redmond checking to see if they are doing anything. I will let you know.

Any chance this may work to get 1080p output from the Xbox 360 to the XBR2's HDMI input?

http://sewelldirect.com/gefen-component-vga-hdmi-adapter.asp

I'm struggling w/ the overscan through the VGA input. Is anyone here using a Mits TV, and can point me in the right direction on getting the screen location and dimensions correct?

Y2JDMBFAN ,

I couldn't get thank link to work

Try it now

calling ita brick...

chances are you wont even tell the difference between 1080i to 1080p unless u like to sit ontop of your set. lets be honest here if your set is 1080p and its recieving a 1080i signal it will upconvert to 1080p on the output side. does it matter if a DVD player does the progessive scan or the TV ? Not so much when you are talking about those kinds of resolutions. Most ppl will not even be capable of diserning a 720p picture against a 1080p picture unless you purchased a projector at well over 100+ " screen sitting semi close to it.

i have a 106" projector running 720p and it looks just as good as ANYTHING i have seen on a 1080p set. the biggest 1080p set i have watched was in the 50" range and was sony hooked up to a blu ray player. ih ave seen others running in different convigurations

again its just my opinion i am sure others disagree and 1080p sets put out gorgeous displays but dont feel bad when you do not notice a huge difference for the $ money u paid for it. its like people buying a 1080p westy when you could by a 720p aquos . hands down the sharp looks better then anything a westy has to offfer.

I'm using a VGA to DVI adapter, and I'm getting good results.

How is that possible? The VGA cable is analog and the DVI is digital. It seems like you would need an analog to digital converter.

eawil,

Can you get 1080p to work when using this adapter?

I understand that the brick comment is harsh but I am pissed. I am huge MS fan. I work with Redmond a lot and was with a meeting with Balmer a few weeks ago but how many 1080p sets are out there and they didnt test with a Sony? This reminds me of the Cobra Mustang a few years ago when the HP was over stated and Ford got sued and lost. The debate of 1080i vs. 1080p is a whole other discussion you are right I might not be able to tell the difference but I talked up the HD DVD to the wife and others. It gets here and then magic of 1080p HD DVD is not much different then the Oppo upscaled DVD. Again a stretch comment but I want what I pay for. I didnt pay for 1080i that is my Oppo.
Come on MS prove me wrong. I have friends in Redmond checking to see if they are doing anything. I will let you know.

If you can't see the differnce between an upscaled DVD on the Oppo and An HD DVD, your settings on your set are wrong or it just can't show enough resolution. I see a huge differnce between upscaled DVDs and HD DVDs. On an Oppo, A sony 975 DVD and a Denon 2200(going through a VP50 to upscale), none of them can compare to an HD DVD. The difference is so obvious between an upscaled DVD and an HD DVD. Even on the worst looking HD DVDs you can see the difference. There just isn't any detail on an SD DVD compared to an HD DVD.

I still do not understand why people keep saying "you cannot tell the difference, let the tv turn 1080i into 1080p, and it doesnt matter anyways". Those are just ignorant statements, why can I not complain about something that does NOT work as advertised. Its not like MS didnt push the 1080p issue and it was clearly released for the hd-dvd player. Lets just hope that MS can release an update for our tvs, as well as others, that way we can enjoy our overhyped 1080p. Thanks.

If you can't see the differnce between an upscaled DVD on the Oppo and An HD DVD, your settings on your set are wrong or it just can't show enough resolution.

It might be that I have setting issues. But I can tell you when I look at Grand Prix in DVD on the Oppo and Grand Prix on the HD-DVD there isnt really a difference . Now could be the movie, through I doubt it. In the end you are right my wife and others would never know the difference. But I know that I spent months looking for a TV that could do 1080p and would work with my 360 and all my other new compontents. So I want it to work like it should. I still say that there is no way MSFT doesnt have a Sony in their lab and there is no way that their production testing would have missed a brand like Sony. I am not saying they did it on purpose but they rushed this out for the PS3 launch and didnt do due diligence. I expect more. And I assume they are working on it. I will know more from my friend at MSFT today. Didnt mean to start a ruckus I just want it to work.

How is that possible? The VGA cable is analog and the DVI is digital. It seems like you would need an analog to digital converter.Nope, DVI can be analog as well.

Any news on a 1080p patch coming up?

Other than what we already know...

I have heard naaadddddaaaaa

I have not heard anything new, maybe time to get another round of calls into Microsoft to press the issue.

I havent heard anything either. Hope this doesnt fade away. Keep calling MSFT.

damm M$ so pissed off

damm M$ so pissed off
People who use the dollar sign make me think of this....

http://home.cfl.rr.com/emp/M$.gif

i have a XBR3 and have been holding off on doing the November 1080p download until MS updates the update. I do have the 360 connected via VGA, running at 720p.

My question is - can you use the HD DVD add-on over VGA by doing the November update and using the 720p resolution setting? How about 1080i on component?

Has anyone tried is and if so, how does the HD DVD perform?

Been skimming through the threads but I thought I'd ask the question point blank, lol - can the HD-DVD drive on the 360 display a 1080p signal on the Westy 1080p? I don't want to have to buy the VGA if I don't have to. Thanx for the help!!

http://gear.ign.com/articles/746/746074p1.html
some info here

http://gear.ign.com/articles/746/746074p1.html
some info here
Great info in that post, thanks!
Here is the highlight for all us with problems:
We contacted Microsoft representatives for their most up-to-date statement on the issue. They replied: Microsoft's goal is to be compatible with the largest percentage of HDTVs installed as possible. That is why we chose to support component and VGA in the first place, since they provide more choice and flexibility for our customers. Given the newness of 1080p support in HDTVs, manufacturers use a number of different specifications to accept a 1080p VGA image. Since we released the Fall Update, we have heard reports that 1080p output through VGA may not be compatible with all televisions that support a 1080p signal over VGA. We will continue to work with these manufacturers to determine which additional specifications are possible to support in the future.

FWIW, I have a Barco Graphics 1208s/2 CRT projector. This projector can display anything you feed it because it does not have a native resolution. The 66.6 KHz vertical scanrate of the Xbox 360 at 1920 x 1080 is almost halfway its specifications (the Barco accepts much higher resolutions) so it should do 1080p "with two fingers into its nose" :p

However, thanks to Microsoft's implementation of the 1080p signal, my Barco is having a hard time displaying this resolution. For instance, the front and back porches of the signal are very wide, making it impossible to see the left and right sides of the picture at once. Almost 15% is chopped off at the sides. I can use H-phase to shift the picture on the CRTs, so I can see how much actually is missing. But if I only use the slightest H-phase, the screen gets black and the Barco says "No signal". I've never had these problems before

I'd say that Microsoft's 1080p implementation is wrong indeed.

i have a XBR3 and have been holding off on doing the November 1080p download until MS updates the update. I do have the 360 connected via VGA, running at 720p.

My question is - can you use the HD DVD add-on over VGA by doing the November update and using the 720p resolution setting? How about 1080i on component?

Has anyone tried is and if so, how does the HD DVD perform?
Haven't tried it as I took back my XBR2, however, it should work at 720p. The only time I had trouble with the display was when I set it to 1080p.


Re: that MS quote (and big thanks to the guy from IGN for pushing for HDMI...the more major sites that mention that, the better)...it's annoying as hell that they start off their excuse by STILL parading around the idea that VGA and component only is the best solution because it is "more flexible."

TV,
what tv did you end up with?

I have a brand new Sony XBR2 70" television.

I ALSO have an XBOX 360 and the HD-DVD drive AND both component and vga cables for the 360.

I, like others, could not get the 360 to output a 1080p signal over the VGA cable that the TV liked... it would say "invalid input signal" even though I DID see part of the XBOX dashboard (cutoff and off center) in the background.

I reverted to using my component video connection, at 1080"i", and both games AND the HD-DVD player look superb via that connection. The TV reports that it is getting a 1080i signal when watching HD-DVDs and while playing games (incl. Gears of War).

oh, and, as an aside, I do get this same TV to take in a 1920x1080p signal over the HDMI port via my PC's high end graphics card and a DVI-HDMI adaptor, though I did notice a fair amount of overscan and slight geometry issues which I intend to correct once I get the HD-DVD version of DVE.

Great info in that post, thanks!
Here is the highlight for all us with problems:
We contacted Microsoft representatives for their most up-to-date statement on the issue. They replied: Microsoft's goal is to be compatible with the largest percentage of HDTVs installed as possible. That is why we chose to support component and VGA in the first place, since they provide more choice and flexibility for our customers. Given the newness of 1080p support in HDTVs, manufacturers use a number of different specifications to accept a 1080p VGA image. Since we released the Fall Update, we have heard reports that 1080p output through VGA may not be compatible with all televisions that support a 1080p signal over VGA. We will continue to work with these manufacturers to determine which additional specifications are possible to support in the future.

Hmmm... Maybe I am reading too much into this but that sounds a little less reassuring than "We are currently working on a fix."

They could now actually be saying that the problem might be resolved in future versions of XBOX.

Been skimming through the threads but I thought I'd ask the question point blank, lol - can the HD-DVD drive on the 360 display a 1080p signal on the Westy 1080p? I don't want to have to buy the VGA if I don't have to. Thanx for the help!!

Look for the official thread about your TV model in the flat panel display section. You should be able to find a discussion about the 360 and 1080p. Try the last 5-10 pages of the thread or so, some of those westy threads are quite long.

Many places did, and still do advertise the Sony KDS-R60XBR1 as a 1080p set. This is the set I purchased nearly a year ago, when 1080p first came to market. I found out much later that while it has the native resolution, it can not display 1080p. Retailers that are well known (Crutchfield, Best Buy, etc) are still selling the XBR1's as 1080p sets. It was kind of annoying not to be able to set my X360 to 1080p, but whatever. I saw a 1080p demo and an 1080i demo on the 70" XBR2 yesterday and could not notice a diff. at all (I was sitting 8-10 feet away, the same distance that my home st up is). Has anyone actually used their x360 HD-DVD player yet? Is it really worth the money considering each HD flick is $25-$30?

Many places did, and still do advertise the Sony KDS-R60XBR1 as a 1080p set. This is the set I purchased nearly a year ago, when 1080p first came to market. I found out much later that while it has the native resolution, it can not display 1080p. Retailers that are well known (Crutchfield, Best Buy, etc) are still selling the XBR1's as 1080p sets. It was kind of annoying not to be able to set my X360 to 1080p, but whatever. I saw a 1080p demo and an 1080i demo on the 70" XBR2 yesterday and could not notice a diff. at all (I was sitting 8-10 feet away, the same distance that my home st up is). Has anyone actually used their x360 HD-DVD player yet? Is it really worth the money considering each HD flick is $25-$30?

I have it and used it (over component at 1080i on my Sony 70" XBR2). The quality is fantastic, every bit as good or better than my cable HD (my only other real source to compare it to). There are plenty of reviews of it versus the XD-A1 and they are all very favorable. Everyone will note the lack of HDMI, but what can you do?

Also, the XBOX 360 breaks down and then remixes ALL outgoing audio as Dolby Digital, including DD-TrueHD and DTS, it does not appear possible to pass through this information from the 360. There was some comment I read on this from a Microsoft rep (when discussing how complex it was to get this to work) and he was basically making assurances that quality would be maintained and not to be alarmed when your receiver still says Dolby Digital.

Playing Batman Begins in HD-DVD, I did notice a difference between the regular DD track and the DD-THD track, but it may have had more to do with the apparent volume difference than any real difference.

The movies are certainly worth it if you have a big enough TV (over 40"). You can find good deals at by searching the net (I'd post a link, but as a new member, cannot; is it not allowed at all?). I ordered a few blu-ray and hd-dvds from them (PM me for who) recently and all prices were better or significantly better than from best buy, with no shipping charges at all.

What's the latest on 1080p fix. Hope it comes out within 3 weeks, that's when the 30 day return policy runs out.

What's the latest on 1080p fix. Hope it comes out within 3 weeks, that's when the 30 day return policy runs out.
MS failed me, my 30 days is up tomorrow. To top it all off I did not have a chance to get a ps3 to test it out with my tv either. I am just going to close my eyes and pray to teh av gods for help at this point. :o

MS failed me, my 30 days is up tomorrow. To top it all off I did not have a chance to get a ps3 to test it out with my tv either. I am just going to close my eyes and pray to teh av gods for help at this point. :o

Just return it and get your money back. These drives don't appear to be scarce as originally thought. You should be able to get another one if ( big IF ) MS releases a fix. That's what I plan to do. But with me it's the whole system including the console and VGA cable.

Is somebody having a problem with getting 1080p over vga on their HP MD6580n. I am!

Is somebody having a problem with getting 1080p over vga on their HP MD6580n. I am!

There are all kinds of issues with the 1080P over VGA. For most people, the image comes out looking severely faded on all kinds of displays.

Is somebody having a problem with getting 1080p over vga on their HP MD6580n. I am!

If its anything like the 5880 then it only does 1080p over component and hdmi.
I believe the vga only does 1280x1024 on the HP's

Just return it and get your money back. These drives don't appear to be scarce as originally thought. You should be able to get another one if ( big IF ) MS releases a fix. That's what I plan to do. But with me it's the whole system including the console and VGA cable.
Sorry to hear that. I am keeping both, I just want a fix. My 30 day return policy was regarding my tv.

There are all kinds of issues with the 1080P over VGA. For most people, the image comes out looking severely faded on all kinds of displays.

They need to calibrate the display for the source. I'm using a 21" Gateway and a 61" Sasmung. Both take 1920x1080P over the VGA and both pictures are close to looking like the HDMI picture from my A1.

If its anything like the 5880 then it only does 1080p over component and hdmi.
I believe the vga only does 1280x1024 on the HP'syep. Burger King-- your TV does not do 1080p over VGA.

Ok Stupid 1080p question of the day.

I just got my 360 and under the display options i swear it only showed 720p and 1080I.

Do i have to install an update for the 1080p option.

I currently have it hooked to a samsung HLS6187w via component. My VGA cable is on the way.

Ok Stupid 1080p question of the day.

I just got my 360 and under the display options i swear it only showed 720p and 1080I.

Do i have to install an update for the 1080p option.

I currently have it hooked to a samsung HLS6187w via component. My VGA cable is on the way.

Yes, the most recent update (released a couple weeks ago) enables the 1080p option in the settings, until then you will only see 1080i.

Ic so how do you go about downloading the 1080p update?

Can i burn it to a dvd or cd and install it? Or do i have to download it straight to the 360. I dont have my 360 hooked up to the internet. I guess i could bring it in to work and try downloading it.

I dont suppose it just automatically does it when you hook it into the internet?

You have to have an account with xbox live. You can sign up for a free account (named Silver) and still have access to the download. When you log into the account your xbox will notify you to download an update. It will download and install by itself, very easy.

My projector has a DVI input, but not a VGA. Could I use a 360 VGA cable, and then a VGA to DVI adapter? And also why doesn't 1080p work over componet? Or can it work, but some manufacturers just don't let it work?

It doesnt support 1080p at all unless you use vga, end of story.
The reason they do not support 1080p over component, for movies, is because of the copyright restrictions and ict flags used in hd-dvd movies (that are not being used 100% as of yet)

So would an adapter from VGA t DVI give me 1080p? Or do I just need to try it t see if my projector will accept the signal?

If I remember right not many set's do 1080P via VGA either, except for the Samsung's, and maybe the new Sony's...
DresdenThe Sony 1080p V2500's are reported to work with the Xbox 360's 1080p VGA. This is weird because the V2500's are not supposed to support 1080p over VGA, and it doesn't work with the XBR2/3's which do support 1080p.

So... has anyone figured out what it is about the Xbox 360's VGA that is causing the problem (and getting around restrictions for other sets)? I've read a lot of posts suggesting it's sending Sync on Green, but have never seen this confirmed.

There are adapters available for adding or removing Sync on Green, so there may be a relatively inexpensive hardware solution.

Since I have a V2500, I'm planning on getting a 360 (and if that works well with 1080p vga, also the HD-DVD add-on). But, if MS fixes the problem, it might break this unexpected 1080p vga bonus for us. Unless... we can figure out what's really going on. So... any EE's who can test the 360's signal and let us know what it's doing? Anyone come across anything?

I am so pissed at Micro$oft for being this retarded in sending out an update and not even testing it on the latest sony tv's. God damn idiots.

My projector has a DVI input, but not a VGA. Could I use a 360 VGA cable, and then a VGA to DVI adapter? And also why doesn't 1080p work over componet? Or can it work, but some manufacturers just don't let it work?


I would like to know the same thing.

Hi, I just want to ask how many of you are getting 1080p through VGA WITHOUT overscan.

The TV I have is a Sceptre NAGA 37". I'm getting quite a bit of horizontal overscan in 1080p VGA (almost no vertical overscan). Just because of this I've tested running one of my PCs through VGA (Radeon9800Pro), and behold, 0 overscan in 1920x1080.

It would seem rather perplexing that my PC and the 360 are producing different results on the same set, and if it's an issue with the 360 then it Microsoft should be notified. I'm more trustful of my PC than my 360, afterall.

Are you using straight VGA - or a DVI converter or component? I had this issue when hooking up my HTPC to me 51" CRT HDTV via DVI. Using component it was fine.

I'm using straight VGA. Xbox 360 is connected with Official Microsoft VGA cables, the PC just a regular VGA cable.

The PC basically produces a 1:1 pixel mapping, while the 360 does not.

And upon further investigation, I'm almost sure that the 360's horizontal overscan is due to a slightly horizontal stretch. I measured what I assumed to be a circle in one of the 360 games - measured width and height with ruler, and the width came out slightly wider. I don't know whether it's because of the 360 software issue or my TV, but at this moment I have no reason to suspect it's my TV.

If anyone could also provide some additional testing with their TVs I'd appreciate it =)

I dont know if this makes a difference, but on my 360 connector there is sd/hd switch which is easily ACCIDENTALLY switched to SD. Also check the 360 setup menus? Just throwing this out there, as it may pose a problem for me too very soon.

Just curious what info do you have that the Sony V2500's work through VGA. I have this tv and I have been waiting for an HDMI cable to come out because I have been afraid that the HD-DVD drive would'nt work...

well the HD-DVD drive is useless for me, i tested on the following with vga cable:

SONY XBR2 46" LCD TV, half the screen is hidden.
Dell 2407 24" LCD Monitor (lower left of monitor has weird horizontal stripes

i called XBOX support once again today, i got another woman she said they know about the problem and will relase some sort of "Adapter" to take care of the 1080p issue. lol

Anyone know anything about such a weird thing?

well the HD-DVD drive is useless for me, i tested on the following with vga cable:

SONY XBR2 46" LCD TV, half the screen is hidden.
Dell 2407 24" LCD Monitor (lower left of monitor has weird horizontal stripes

i called XBOX support once again today, i got another woman she said they know about the problem and will relase some sort of "Adapter" to take care of the 1080p issue. lol

Anyone know anything about such a weird thing?

I know what they might be planning in terms of a hardware fix but was sort of hoping they could handle it with a firmware patch.

I have a XBR3 and am running the 360 with HD DVD add-on on component at 1080i.

I am is miffed about the XBR / 1080p thing as anyone but there is no big downside as long as they fix it soon.

So far, the HD DVDs are mastered at 1080i and your TV has to do the dirty work of 1080p conversion - likewise the 360 games I think. This may change in the future though, at least with HD DVD and that is when it will matter.

I know what they might be planning in terms of a hardware fix but was sort of hoping they could handle it with a firmware patch.

I have a XBR3 and am running the 360 with HD DVD add-on on component at 1080i.

I am is miffed about the XBR / 1080p thing as anyone but there is no big downside as long as they fix it soon.

So far, the HD DVDs are mastered at 1080i and your TV has to do the dirty work of 1080p conversion - likewise the 360 games I think. This may change in the future though, at least with HD DVD and that is when it will matter.
If you know what they are planning help me out, because i'm so pissed at Microsoft i'm ready to return the Xbox and HD-DVD player, i want 1080p, not 1080i or 720p on my XBR2.

If you know what they are planning help me out, because i'm so pissed at Microsoft i'm ready to return the Xbox and HD-DVD player, i want 1080p, not 1080i or 720p on my XBR2.

"There are adapters available for adding or removing Sync on Green, so there may be a relatively inexpensive hardware solution."

"There are adapters available for adding or removing Sync on Green, so there may be a relatively inexpensive hardware solution."

Only if that's actually the problem. I don't think it is. I have a green-sync capable monitor with BNC connections that gets no sync if I disconnect H and V when hooked up to the 360's VGA output. However, it doesn't do 1920x1080, so maybe they used it for just that resolution. But I think that would be an almost inexplicably weird decision on their part.

Well my Samsung 244t 24" LCD Monitor is very capable of displaying 1080p through VGA, yet when I set the 360 to 1920x1080 it displays a window of 1440x1200. (WTF!)

I am just hoping MS fixes the VGA out issues.

I don't understand why Microsoft wouldn't come out and say what they have planed to do, if they don't fix this issue i want to return the xbox and hd-dvd drive, i'd rather just get the Toshiba for double the money.

Only if that's actually the problem. I don't think it is. I have a green-sync capable monitor with BNC connections that gets no sync if I disconnect H and V when hooked up to the 360's VGA output. However, it doesn't do 1920x1080, so maybe they used it for just that resolution. But I think that would be an almost inexplicably weird decision on their part.

True, but deciding not to go with HDMI was also inexplicably weird in my opinion. It is possible that the solution might involve both a dongle and a firmware patch.

Like you, I do not know for sure what is at the heart of the problem but do not think they did it as part of any sinister plan to get Sony. Incompatibility problems only serve to hurt the products involved and MS is taking more heat over this than Sony.

I just can't get too excited about the issue right now. There is no real advantage to having the 1080p at this point because there is no true 1080p media yet to use with it.

The HD DVD movies look great on the player at 1080i, converted to 1080p by my XBR3. As I understand it, the HD DVD add-on will never be used as the gaming drive because gamers who did not want the add-on would cry foul. MS may eventually have some native 1080p games to run inside the 360 but I have not seen any yet.

My real concern is that maybe they won't be able to fix the problem at all and that would really tick me off big time.