Staw_man, you should be able to rip the CD layer just as you would with a regular CD. There are some folks who have had trouble with their computer recognizing the CD layer of a hybrid SACD, but I believe this is the exception rather than the rule. My personal experience is that I've never had a problem with this scenario - eg. the 76 - 82 set.

konoyaro-

Thank you for clearing this up for me. Since you have done this with disks from the other Genesis sets I have confidence that I can make it work with this set.

I am now firmly onboard for the SACD version of this box set when it finally gets released!

good lord...

http://www.genesis-music.com/news/news.php?uid=386

I know he's a prog nerd, but why is Jeremy "Top Gear" Clarkson writing about Genesis in the liner notes? Or has this already occurred in the other sets and I was too stupid to notice?

I'll also note that I've yet to hear a thing from AZN about whether or not the pre-order is indeed SACD as listed on their site...

I noticed that Amazon now says Oct 5 as release date.

larry

I noticed that Amazon now says Oct 5 as release date. larry

They have a few different entries for the set and all have different release dates. The official Genesis site is saying Nov 11th release in the USA (a day earlier elsehwere) so I suspect all the dates on 'zon will eventually be adjusted to 11/11.

Ah, remembrance day... apt.

Just sitting here watching the Rome show... Man, this should really be on BD. Sigh...

Ah, remembrance day... apt.

Just sitting here watching the Rome show... Man, this should really be on BD. Sigh...

If you have PladiaHD (formerly MHD) you can watch it (most of it) in HD. While its nice to see it in HD it makes the fact that they didn't print it on BD that much worse.
Joe

heh, I googled "PladiaHD" and I got, well, this thread as the only reference...:)

At least, we're agreed that it should have been released on BD...

heh, I googled "PladiaHD" and I got, well, this thread as the only reference...:)

At least, we're agreed that it should have been released on BD...

I think he meant "Palladia HD", it's the old MTV renamed.

http://www.palladia.tv/

Amazon, says the Lamb and Selling England are going to be released on Sept. 30th. Is this the correct release dates for these seperate SACD's?

^ The name of the channel is actually Palladia (http://www.palladia.tv/). It used to be called MHD until last month. They used to replay it a lot, but I don't see it on the website's upcoming schedule.

:edit: Wow, so much activity in this normally slow thread. :p

Amazon, says the Lamb and Selling England are going to be released on Sept. 30th. Is this the correct release dates for these seperate SACD's?

Not according to the official ste - all releases, box or separates, are Nov. 11th.

Crap-o:
http://www.amazon.ca/Genesis-1970-1975-SACD-NTSC-DVD/dp/B00104WHLA/

"Currently Unavailable"

My grand plan of doing a .CA preorder seems to have failed... I've now pre-ordered the same ASIN (for more money) from .com (B00104WHLA), hoping that it's the NTSC version...

Meh.

According to SA-CD.net this is the link to the official NTSC copy.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001CBW1B2/

MNSACD

yeah, that's the =other= ASIN (referenced above...)

Still no confirmation about which one is PAL vs NTSC, but both B001CBW1B2 and B00104WHLA point to being SACDs. Oh, you might want to edit your post, you included sa-cd.net's AZN link goodness as a suffix.

ok. well again, according to sacd.net this is the ntsc version. see post from site admin.

http://www.sa-cd.net/showthread/30619//y?page=first

MNSACD

- got an updated shipping notice from AZNl.com on the "cheaper" of the two sets, still says "hybrid SACD". At this point, for $100 I don't care if it's PAL

- Just (finally) got through the final disc of the Genesis: Live in Rome set... What a MAGNIFICENT doc, truly far, far better than I was expecting. This set demands to be on Blu, as mentioned above, but it cannot be missed for any fan of the band, period. It's simply leagues better than almost any other concert doc of this ilk. Plus, the show's pretty damn good as well...

ps. http://www.genesis-news.com/forum/upcoming-releases-sacds-dvds/1217-boxset-1970-1975-lamb-slides.html

Well, that's super nerdy... for any who have seen the Musical Box show (or, you lucky bastards, who saw the real thing in '75), an enjoyable thing if the rumour is true.

Man, I want this thing so bad... :)

Shark,
I recorded "Rome" off of MHD and was really disappointed (at least AQ). Everybody/instrument was completely over-compressed and felt completely isolated. There didn't seem to be any energy in the music. Now this might have to do with the enormous crowd howmany?) and being a technical nightmare. The two highlights for me was what seemed like an off-the-cuff Daryl guitar solo (what, a Genesis improtu solo, can't be) and Phil's tamborine dance to himself in the video feed.

I saw the Musical Box perform The Lamb a few years back at a small theatre. As far as I am concerned, that was second only to a 1975 show. Which I never saw.

DTS mix isn't superamazing, but gotz to be better than broadcast by a mile... The show's a hell of a lot of fun, and, honestly, I think the doc is better than the show...:)

Shark,
I recorded "Rome" off of MHD and was really disappointed (at least AQ). Everybody/instrument was completely over-compressed and felt completely isolated. There didn't seem to be any energy in the music. Now this might have to do with the enormous crowd howmany?) and being a technical nightmare. The two highlights for me was what seemed like an off-the-cuff Daryl guitar solo (what, a Genesis improtu solo, can't be) and Phil's tamborine dance to himself in the video feed.

I saw the Musical Box perform The Lamb a few years back at a small theatre. As far as I am concerned, that was second only to a 1975 show. Which I never saw.

I believe the crowd was estimated at 500,000.

...and they didn't pay.

But they -did- (at least the ones near the front) knew the words to Carpet Crawlers...:)

Nick Davis did a great job on the remix, sounds great

...you got yours already?

Nick Davis did a great job on the remix, sounds great

Are you referring to the 1970-1975 SACD box set? You have it already?

So where are people ordering the NTSC-SACD version of 1970-75? I bought the previous 2 sets from hmv.co.jp, but you need to buy 3 items to get the 25% sale. amazon.co.jp looks about $20 more assuming shipping is the same for both. And I want to be really sure it's the NTSC version.

I did have a pre-order at amazon for the NTSC-SACD up until a few days ago but as I have only recently gotten all of my hardware ducks in a row where I can finally playback all formats at their optimum levels and have been buying everything I can in the SACD & DVD Hi-Rez & surround formats that I can I decided to downgrade to the US versions DVD 5.1/CD.

I already have the Genesis "Wind and Wuthering: thru ABACAB on the DVD/CD and am satisfied with them and besides I enjoy the onscreen artwork and animation that you get with them (...not to mention they are a whole lot cheaper!). I may pick up the SACD versions at a later date if and when they get a little cheaper but for right now I think the US DVD version will do just fine for me.

Cool. And, FYI, that little thing next to the period key is a comma...:)

At least he had a paragraph break.:D

I ordered mine from hmv.co.jp and also got Slowhand and Invisible touch. I have no idea how much it is actually going ot cost, but it seemed like it was the same amount with the 2 other SACD as without, so....

Anyone else worried that it is less than 1 month to go until the release? This is the first time it has been this close.

Question: With this purchase, is your Genesis collection complete?

...well, a set of the live albums in 5.1 would be super nice, no?

...well, a set of the live albums in 5.1 would be super nice, no?

.... and I still hold out a sliver of hope that there will be some kind of official release of archive tapes. There are too many songs that were performed live that have never made it onto an official release. How about starting with Rainbow '73 :):)

Just got a shipping update from 'zon.com that the set won't ship until Nov. 14th. I did a pre-buy of the cheaper listing for the SACD set, so the cynic in me thinks they will keep delaying it until everyone cancels their order - hope I'm wrong, particularly since there are two SACD sets almost $100 apart in price (although I suppose it could be NTSC vs. PAL).

my friend, double check the new ASIN number and price... I had the preorder for B00104WHLA as well (the cheaper of the AZN sets, PAL we assume).

The system let me know about the change, but (check it) =bounced= my order to be for the other ASIN (B001EO2UJK), the Rhino Records, non-SACD version. Soooo, while my pre-order still said SACD, the product it linked to, and the price it showed, was for the Rhino set.

Pathetically, that means I'm having to order the =expensive= set, which is now running about twice as much, just to enjoy SACD sound.

I suck.

Given the plunge of our dollar, I've now ordered from AZN.ca (with taxes it's actually now cheaper for me to ship from .CA)

So, for the record, this is my =third= pre-order of this set.

While B00104WHLA is still on the site, unlike the other two pre-orders it's showing "Temporarily out of stock." for status, rather than shipping on Nov.

ps: On the .CA site, WHLA has an amusing status:

"Currently unavailable.
We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock."

my friend, double check the new ASIN number and price... I had the preorder for B00104WHLA as well (the cheaper of the AZN sets, PAL we assume).

The system let me know about the change, but (check it) =bounced= my order to be for the other ASIN (B001EO2UJK), the Rhino Records, non-SACD version. Soooo, while my pre-order still said SACD, the product it linked to, and the price it showed, was for the Rhino set.

Pathetically, that means I'm having to order the =expensive= set, which is now running about twice as much, just to enjoy SACD sound.

I suck.

Given the plunge of our dollar, I've now ordered from AZN.ca (with taxes it's actually now cheaper for me to ship from .CA)

So, for the record, this is my =third= pre-order of this set.

While B00104WHLA is still on the site, unlike the other two pre-orders it's showing "Temporarily out of stock." for status, rather than shipping on Nov. I ordered it from wherehouse.com, if they send the wrong thing then I will go to hmv.jp.co

My wife bought me the box-set of the 1976-1982 era from the UK--I'm in Canada. I didn't realize that it not only included the SACD's, but also DVD-Audio disks. What format to most people think is the best for these songs, SACD or DTS on the DVD-Audio disks?

they're not DVD-A, "just" plain ol' DVD... no lossless MLP.

The one we're all vying for (and many of us already have) is the EMI version from the UK or Hong Kong, with the DVD and SACD. The Rhino version from US/Canada has the same DVD that you've got, but -not- the SACD.

So, yeah, we're spending hundreds more on a set that includes lossless surround in addition to the lossy surround on the DVDs.

We =allll= suck. :)

my friend, double check the new ASIN number and price... I had the preorder for B00104WHLA as well (the cheaper of the AZN sets, PAL we assume).

Thanks for the heads-up. I think I'm getting screwed here too as the preordered now links to a set that no longer says Hybrid SACD (B001E02UJK).

Edit - Moaned and groaned to AZN who say they will honor the current CD set price on the SACD set (B001CBW1B2) since the orginal copy on the set I preordered said 'SACD'. We'll see, but if so, the CD set is now at $110 - sweet! Might want to call them and complain also!

I ordered it from wherehouse.com, if they send the wrong thing then I will go to hmv.jp.co

Thanks for the suggestion of wherehouse.com. Great price and it appears to be the SACD version because it shows the correct list price for the SACD box. The only thing I'm unsure of is whether I'd be getting PAL or NTSC. Since the label is "EMD Int'l" I'm assuming it's PAL.

(I still have a preorder at HMV jp for the NTSC set, but that's a lot of extra dough even with the discount.)

ah, my friend, you gave me courage... after 45 minutes on the phone, not letting them back down, I got it for the price of the CDs as well. Sadly, there's some dumb "Import Fees Deposit" that's new, but it's still a crapload cheaper... :)

ah, my friend, you gave me courage... after 45 minutes on the phone, not letting them back down, I got it for the price of the CDs as well. Sadly, there's some dumb "Import Fees Deposit" that's new, but it's still a crapload cheaper... :)

That good! $110 instead of $230, down over 50% - sort of like all my investments!

Now let's hope they actually get them and ship out on/around Nov. 11th (this part didn't work all that well for the first two sets).

It's getting close....I can't wait to cook the 70-75 SACD releases in my oven :D ;)

...after the mental anguish of waiting I've almost given up on holding them to that deadline...

Still, I got my prog rocks off last night at the Zappa show... Front row center, access to the Soundcheck... amazing, intimate venue with good sound... so, so good....

Wha Happened?
Has anybody heard anything about this boxset delay? I just received an email from HMV.CO.JP that was shipping the rest of order (and not the boxset), even though I had selected to have all three selections shipped together (after the last delay).

Release date is pretty firm at Nov. 11th. I would actually be surprised at this point if there was another delay. Whether our favorite retailer actually gets copies to ship on Nov. 11th is another story.

My order is currently saying delivery to me on Nov. 14th. We'll see.

Wha Happened?
Has anybody heard anything about this boxset delay? I just received an email from HMV.CO.JP that was shipping the rest of order (and not the boxset), even though I had selected to have all three selections shipped together (after the last delay).

I received the same e-mail and I'm thoroughly confused. I asked them to ship everything at once as well. I'm gonna be really unhappy if they ship the two additional discs I purchased to get the discount and then cancel the boxset from my order. Can't figure why they would do this. Perhaps they are looking for some capital due to the current financial crisis or perhaps someone decided it was time to clear out the warehouse. Either way I'm really nervous now. I'm also not happy that if they do send the box I will get hit with international shipping charges twice!

I received the same e-mail and I'm thoroughly confused. I asked them to ship everything at once as well. I'm gonna be really unhappy if they ship the two additional discs I purchased to get the discount and then cancel the boxset from my order. Can't figure why they would do this. Perhaps they are looking for some capital due to the current financial crisis or perhaps someone decided it was time to clear out the warehouse. Either way I'm really nervous now. I'm also not happy that if they do send the box I will get hit with international shipping charges twice!

I ordered from HMV Japan, also, and I have three other discs in my order. Didn't get the e-mail you guys are getting, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

...given the strength of the yen, aren't you guys getting hosed versus buying it from azn.com?

Getting hosed is waiting for a Lamb SACD for 5 years, with so many delays.

I didn't bother doing the conversion, so I don't how much this is costing me. I just wanted to make sure it was SACD with NTSC. They also offered 25% off if I ordered 2 more SACDs. So who knows, just give them to me.

damn, have I been waiting that long? :)

It doesn't seem real... All this for a few discs in surround...

This BETTER be good... heh

EIL dot Com

$148.48 Genesis 1970-1975 SACD/ PAL DVD (No Region Listed)
$7.59 Standard Airmail shipping & Insurance

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=445292

the same price applies to the 1976-1972 box.

Cheers,

...one week to go, hypothetically... Longest it's ever been without a change in date.

Anyone know whether the Oppo DV-980h can handle PAL disks? If so, is there any reason that I would want the NTSC version of the SACD boxset given its much higher price?

Thanks.

yes it can, no reason other than having it play on other NTSC players... The SACD is, of course, not region coded.

I've got a 980 myself, and play many PAL titles on it...

Anyone out there have their order cancelled for the individual discs? I had the individual discs Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, Selling England By the Pound, and Foxtrot on order from several different places and they have all cancelled the order at some point. Seems like only the complete box set is the ordering option right now. Has anyone else had a similar situation? They have always had the individual discs available for sale alongside of the complete box set.
Regards
Simon :confused:

hrm, that sucks... although, I guess if mine ship you can come over and listen, given your login...:)

Anyone out there have their order cancelled for the individual discs? I had the individual discs Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, Selling England By the Pound, and Foxtrot on order from several different places and they have all cancelled the order at some point. Seems like only the complete box set is the ordering option right now. Has anyone else had a similar situation? They have always had the individual discs available for sale alongside of the complete box set.
Regards
Simon :confused:I got email from HMV that said the individual discs were being released in Jan, maybe that's why the orders were cancelled?

Boxed set delayed until June 31st--hasn't anybody heard?

that's not funny. nor, it seems with a cursory search, accurate.

Got a source for that?

" The countdown to the 1970-1975 Box Set continues apace! We are now down to 15 days to the UK release date! "

http://www.genesis-music.com/news/

I had ordered all the individual discs from CD-WOW and they were all cancelled this morning.

The box set is not available in Australia, and one result of the recent financial mess is that the Oz dollar is down, so buying the box is now about 40% more expensive for me than before the crash :-(

I AM NOT HAPPY

Hello
The 1970-1975 SACD/DVD box set shipped to me from amazon.uk today.The wait is over!:D

Regards

that's not funny. nor, it seems with a cursory search, accurate.

Got a source for that?

" The countdown to the 1970-1975 Box Set continues apace! We are now down to 15 days to the UK release date! "

http://www.genesis-music.com/news/
The clue is in the date--there is no "June 31st". It was meant as a bit of a spoof of all the other delays. I would have thought, by now, we'd all have a sense of humour about it. Oh well.

ah. I'm a moron. And born in June. :)

Amazon put a hold on my card for the SACD box set. I purchased the listing that was $94.49 that now links to the CD/DVD version. So I called and explained that the link had changed and that I don't want to send the wrong "product" back because of their mistake. She assured me I would be getting the SACD import version and made two notes about it in my account...toes and fingers still crossed!

Interestingly, AZN.COM now shows 12/23 for the release date of the SACD box set (or at least the one linked to my order). Hopefully this just means that the first wave of sets have all been spoken for!

Edit - AZN.COM really sucks. Set now delayed until late-December - I'm going elsewhere for this and future purchases.

"We're writing about the order you placed on October 23 2008 21:29 PDT (Order# XXX-XXXXXXX). Unfortunately, the release date for the item(s) listed below has changed, and we need to provide you with a new delivery estimate based on the new release date:

Genesis "Genesis 1970-1975" [Audio CD]
Estimated arrival date: 12/24/2008"


f-me...

ps. http://www.genesisbox3.com/

that makes me forlorn. Peeps in Germany already have the set, fwiw.

Maybe, just maybe, this is AZN being precautious as EMI's keeping their orders for UK citizens first, and it'll ship sooner. However, I'm no longer anywhere near confident that -any- of the sources of the EMI listing for North America will ship out on time.

Hopefully the wait is almost over:

Items shipping soon:
Delivery estimate: November 14, 2008

* 1 of: Genesis 1970-1975 [Box set] [Original recording remastered] [SACD] [Import]


Has anybody read a any review of the discs?

larry

uh, did you read the notes above yours? yours shipping from AZN? when did you preorder?

AZN.COM really chaps my a$$! Did the same crap to me on the first two sets - and I had my preorder in on this one ages ago! Of course, the cynic in me thinks it has something to do with the fact that they had agreed to sell me the SACD set for the CD price!

'Let's keep delaying and delaying (snicker) until he blows a gasket and orders the set somewhere else' - conspiracy theory anyone?

I figure I'll place another order at a more relaible place (elusivedisc) and see what happens. Certainly hope this in an AZN.COM problem and not a USA problem.

Has anybody read a any review of the discs?

larry

Larry - cursory review of it in record collector online.

The December date's for the NTSC version the PAL one's still coming out this week.[that's the one i'm getting by this Friday or thereabouts]

again, where are you reading that? Hey, happy for you if it's true, but rumour control without source might be helpful for, well, Ca1ore and I... :)

That December date's for the NTSC version the PAL one's still coming out this week.[that's the one i'm getting]

The NTSC North American version? According to HMV Japan my NTSC Japanese version was dispatched (or "despatched" as it's spelled on their website) today November 9th. (In Japan it's already November 10th.) I have a tracking number and it should reach me by the end of this week if not sooner.

...given the strength of the yen, aren't you guys getting hosed versus buying it from azn.com?

Well, we may have gotten hosed, but we'll have the box this year. Whereas it sounds like you're getting hosed with the delay and won't have the box until next year--if you're lucky. ;)

Seriously, sorry that Amazon is screwing you over. The box came to $164 for me getting it from HMV Japan because I used the 25% off deal. (Bought the Beatles cartoons on DVD (been looking for it for years) and a rare CD. The killer is the $36 in shipping fees, but what can you do?

Just got an e-mail from HMV . My NTSC set is on the way. Even with the relative strength of the Yen it comes to less than $200 and I will have it in my hands very soon. My experience is that shipping from HMV Japan is actually faster than Amazon standard shipping in most cases. Probably would have cost about $25 less a year ago, but is that really a big deal? Will finally have the set, will be in NTSC so I never have to worry about compatibility and I don't have to play games with Amazon. Well worth it!!!!

That December date's for the NTSC version the PAL one's still coming out this week.[that's the one i'm getting]

I don't think that is correct. Acoording to the genesis website, the only version of the set that is delayed is the LP one.

I thnk the problem is azn.com - they are good for mass-market stuff but not so good for enthusiast stuff.

Mine has also shipped from HMV Japan. Looking forward to hearing it...

-Rob

Here's quite a positive review from a guy in the Netherlands regarding the SACD version in 2-ch:

http://www.sa-cd.net/showtitle/5031

Larry - cursory review of it in record collector online. Thanks. Although I never read so much that says so little. :)

larry

Received my shipment notice from hmv.co.jp as well.

Catalogue Number:
W5196872

Here's quite a positive review from a guy in the Netherlands regarding the SACD version in 2-ch:

http://www.sa-cd.net/showtitle/5031

I missed that earlier, thanks. Sounds promising.

larry

You guys sound as giddy as school boys on Christmas eve. ....And I am right there with you.

Thanks. Although I never read so much that says so little. :)

larry

Yeah, sorry, gave you the link before I actually got around to looking for myself. Pretty useless!

...just to taunt me, I received the "IT'S OUT NOW!" email from genesis-web.co.uk.... Heck, maybe I'll win the Vinyl set, that might make up for this wait...

...just to taunt me, I received the "IT'S OUT NOW!" email from genesis-web.co.uk.... Heck, maybe I'll win the Vinyl set, that might make up for this wait...

Just out of curiosity, have you called azn.com to complain? I did and got pretty snitty - customer service guy told me none of the SACD sets would be available in NA until late-December. So I said I was ordering it elsewhere and if it arrived shortly they owed me the difference in a gift certificate!! He told me to call back if that happened. We'll see! What a cluster!

...just to taunt me, I received the "IT'S OUT NOW!" email from genesis-web.co.uk.... Heck, maybe I'll win the Vinyl set, that might make up for this wait...
They're re-doing this on vinyl as well? I wouldn't mind the "Lamb" in needledrop format.

..frankly, at this point I'm just hoping that the Canadian dollar recoups a bit before the new Year, so it'll be technically even cheaper... :)

Ca1ore, PM me and let me know where you're getting it from...

..frankly, at this point I'm just hoping that the Canadian dollar recoups a bit before the new Year, so it'll be technically even cheaper... :)

Ca1ore, PM me and let me know where you're getting it from...

PM sent!

BTW, amidst all this gnashing of teeth (or maybe just my teeth) is a bit of good news. Presales of this Gabriel box have apparently been so good that the band are at least exploring the possibility of a fourth box set of all the live albums.

Wouldn't THAT be nice - particularly if they included the handful of songs played live that have never surfaced on an official release.

ooooooh.


oooooooooooooooooh....

:)

(ps. got a link?)

PM sent!

BTW, amidst all this gnashing of teeth (or maybe just my teeth) is a bit of good news. Presales of this Gabriel box have apparently been so good that the band are at least exploring the possibility of a fourth box set of all the live albums.

Wouldn't THAT be nice - particularly if they included the handful of songs played live that have never surfaced on an official release. The more music the better! :) My 1970-1975 box set will be in my hands tomorrow! I may work from home tomorrow.... :)

larry

Just out of curiosity, have you called azn.com to complain? I did and got pretty snitty - customer service guy told me none of the SACD sets would be available in NA until late-December. So I said I was ordering it elsewhere and if it arrived shortly they owed me the difference in a gift certificate!! He told me to call back if that happened. We'll see! What a cluster! Who's azn.com? (is it really amazon?) Anyways I just checked wherehouse.com and it now says Dec 23 release date! I also looked at rhino's website and it looks like they are shipping the US cd version.

Well, we may have gotten hosed, but we'll have the box this year. Whereas it sounds like you're getting hosed with the delay and won't have the box until next year--if you're lucky. ;)

Seriously, sorry that Amazon is screwing you over. The box came to $164 for me getting it from HMV Japan because I used the 25% off deal. (Bought the Beatles cartoons on DVD (been looking for it for years) and a rare CD. The killer is the $36 in shipping fees, but what can you do? I thought you had to buy 3 items to get the 25% off... Did the Beatles cartoons count?

Who's azn.com? (is it really amazon?) Anyways I just checked wherehouse.com and it now says Dec 23 release date! I also looked at rhino's website and it looks like they are shipping the US cd version.

Yeah, looks like it is not an amazon problem rather not enough of either the NTSC or PAL set were made. Apparently demand oustripping supply. Had the same problem with both of the earlier sets!

I thought you had to buy 3 items to get the 25% off... Did the Beatles cartoons count?

It's a combination of three import CD/DVDs. The Genesis box counts as one. The Beatle cartoons are from Europe, so that was another. Finally, I picked up a European Tom Waits live CD for my third choice.

There's a link at the web site that lists all the eligible 25% off items.

(A lot of the import CD/DVDs are from the US so buying those isn't really a smart plan since you can buy them here at a much cheaper price.)

(Edit--I see that the Beatle toons and Waits CD now have a shipping wait of 2-4 weeks. I placed my order for everything back in October, so it all shipped together on November 10th. Of course, you could have them make separate shipments, but you'll get hit with multiple shipping costs.)

It's a combination of three import CD/DVDs. The Genesis box counts as one. The Beatle cartoons are from Europe, so that was another. Finally, I picked up a European Tom Waits live CD for my third choice.

There's a link at the web site that lists all the eligible 25% off items.

(A lot of the import CD/DVDs are from the US so buying those isn't really a smart plan since you can buy them here at a much cheaper price.)

(Edit--I see that the Beatle toons and Waits CD now have a shipping wait of 2-4 weeks. I placed my order for everything back in October, so it all shipped together on November 10th. Of course, you could have them make separate shipments, but you'll get hit with multiple shipping costs.)The Beatles toons are NTSC? thanks for the info!

The Beatles toons are NTSC? thanks for the info!

That remains to be seen. I'd suspect that they could be PAL since the item is of European origin. (I've got an OPPO player so that's no problem for me.) And don't get too excited about this release: it's only nine cartoons--not an entire season. (And it looks to be just the song portion from the cartoons.)

(I don't want to hi-jack this thread "too far" away from the Genesis discussion, so I'll post my take on them here along with my thoughts on the Genesis box when I get them this week.)

happy for the hijaak, I actually spent time yesterday on HMV.co.jp looking to see what three things I'd want... The Waits thing sounds verrry tempting...:)

I ordered my box set from amazon.co.uk instead of HMV Japan. I figure I saved close to 90 $ (84 pounds versus 20000 Yens) - (156 CAD $ versus 246 CAD $), and the discs seem to be SACD + DVD. I should receive the discs on Nov. 20th. Can`t just wait.

Details for the box set from amazon.co.uk
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00104WHLA

I ordered my box set from amazon.co.uk instead of HMV Japan. I figure I saved close to 90 $ (84 pounds versus 20000 Yens) - (156 CAD $ versus 246 CAD $), and the discs seem to be SACD + DVD. I should receive the discs on Nov. 20th. Can`t just wait.

Details for the box set from amazon.co.uk
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00104WHLA

I believe that's for the PAL version. The trick is finding a decent price on the SACD/NTSC box.

...yeah, that's actually more (in CDN) than the PAL version was on AZN.

Then again, AZN dropped the PAL version entirely (.com/.ca)

I'm trying to buy the SACD/NTSC box set. Do any sellers actually have it? Did I screw up by not pre-ordering? HMV lists the set as "FOR ORDER" with an estimated date for dispatch as 2-7 days. Is that japanese for backordered?

I gotta admit, fan that I am, that I am hesitant to spend $200 here. (However, I don't see the individual titles for sale, either.) I do not understand why the PAL version is cheaper, and I am angry over the absence of SACD on the Rhino release(s). I wonder if the price will go down if the set becomes easier to get. Which brings up another point: What is the deal with the December 23, 2008, release date at Wherehouse.com? They list the set at $161.69.

Has anyone actually gotten the box set anywhere but HMV? I've never ordered from them, but they seem to be trusted.

Thanks for any information. You people seem to be both well-informed and helpful.

I'm trying to buy the SACD/NTSC box set. Do any sellers actually have it? Did I screw up by not pre-ordering? HMV lists the set as "FOR ORDER" with an estimated date for dispatch as 2-7 days. Is that japanese for backordered?

I gotta admit, fan that I am, that I am hesitant to spend $200 here. (However, I don't see the individual titles for sale, either.) I do not understand why the PAL version is cheaper, and I am angry over the absence of SACD on the Rhino release(s). I wonder if the price will go down if the set becomes easier to get. Which brings up another point: What is the deal with the December 23, 2008, release date at Wherehouse.com? They list the set at $161.69.

Has anyone actually gotten the box set anywhere but HMV? I've never ordered from them, but they seem to be trusted.

Thanks for any information. You people seem to be both well-informed and helpful.

Not sure anyone knows the answers to your questions. Clearly some people are getting their sets, but others (like myself) have had orders delayed until late-December (and would anyone be surprised if delayed further than that). I no longer subscribe to the Genesis members website, but my suspision would be that the early demand for the SACD set has taken EMI by surprise and they didn't make enough.

In some places the PAL version is cheaper, but in others it is the same price as the NTSC version. Both are considered 'imports' to the USA, so you will pay a premium. If the prior two sets are any indication, the price for this set will settle at around $150 - but that requires waiting a bit!

The set designed for the USA is CD, not SACD, and is quite a bit cheaper. Rhino's rationale for no SACD is simply market dynamics - they simply figure there aren't enough consumers here to justify the effort. Those consumers that do exist will chase down the imports.

Amazon put a hold on my card for the SACD box set. I purchased the listing that was $94.49 that now links to the CD/DVD version. So I called and explained that the link had changed and that I don't want to send the wrong "product" back because of their mistake. She assured me I would be getting the SACD import version and made two notes about it in my account...toes and fingers still crossed!I'm in the same boat. My order text says SACD but the link goes to CD boxset. There is this link which when I go there says I ordered it in August, which I did. http://www.amazon.com/Genesis-1970-1975/dp/B00104WHLA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1226502073&sr=1-2

Did you get your discs yet? I should know later today. Given the prices, I bet it's not SACD and given the luck I've been having lately I see myself having to return something in my future... :)

larry

If you -do- get the discs and they're from EMI (not Rhino) then you're a lucky guy... Surf up, pooper (man, that sounds weird) and you'll see the same thing happened to both Ca1ore and me... We changed our orders to the NTSC SACD set, and now are waiting 'till Dec.

FWIW, the same thing happened to me last time from Acoustic Sounds, they sent the Rhino instead of the SACD set. They quickly fixed the issue, but I got dinged twice for import duties, alas.

All this, of course, would be MUCH simpler if bloody Rhino did the right thing in the first place!!!

...and as the song and dance begins, the children play at home with needles; needles and pins....

I was on pins and needles, but received my 1970-75 SACD/NTSC set tonight from Amazon Jp.

My quick review based on the 2-ch SACD is that the remastering of these discs is suberb, revolutionary compared to the original releases. In a nutshell, it's akin to a sonic veil being lifted off the original recordings. The music is extended, fuller, sounds almost live and pulls you right into the context.

The bass extension is much improved in Trespass, Nursery Cryme, and Foxtrot. Mike's work really comes through and Phil's drum work in NC and Fox reveal exceptionally clear cymbal strikes and hi-hat notes that I didn't notice before.

Steve's work in Foxtrot is way detailed, amazing in Can Utility. I haven't listened to Supper's Ready yet....saving that for the weekend :)

Selling England....wot can I say....went straight to Dancing, then to Cinema Show and was blown away. It's totally a new CD sonically, not compressed at all, just beautifully laid out and balanced in DSD.

The Lamb SACD....delivers in spades Real. I want to listen to it some more before I comment. And then want to try the DVD-A 5.1 versions :-)

Later....

^^^^ Excellent!

larry

...and as the song and dance begins, the children play at home with needles; needles and pins....

I was on pins and needles, but received my 1970-75 SACD/NTSC set tonight from Amazon Jp.

My quick review based on the 2-ch SACD is that the remastering of these discs is suberb, revolutionary compared to the original releases. In a nutshell, it's akin to a sonic veil being lifted off the original recordings. The music is extended, fuller, sounds almost live and pulls you right into the context.

The bass extension is much improved in Trespass, Nursery Cryme, and Foxtrot. Mike's work really comes through and Phil's drum work in NC and Fox reveal exceptionally clear cymbal strikes and hi-hat notes that I didn't notice before.

Steve's work in Foxtrot is way detailed, amazing in Can Utility. I haven't listened to Supper's Ready yet....saving that for the weekend :)

Selling England....wot can I say....went straight to Dancing, then to Cinema Show and was blown away. It's totally a new CD sonically, not compressed at all, just beautifully laid out and balanced in DSD.

The Lamb SACD....delivers in spades Real. I want to listen to it some more before I comment. And then want to try the DVD-A 5.1 versions :-)

Later....

Any sign of compression ?

uppacreek,

Congrats! And thanks for the early impressions!

(Amazon Japan has always been somewhat slow in getting things to me, but they really went into overdrive for you. Where are you located?)

I'm in Singapore :)

No sign of outright compression locomo, like present in the 1976 box set...however, Pete's vocals in Lamb SACD are slightly abrasive, but recall, LAMB was originally like that in LP, so perhaps the remaster was meant to recreate.

The Lamb SACD....delivers in spades Real. I want to listen to it some more before I comment. And then want to try the DVD-A 5.1 versions :-)

Later....

That's "Rael". Rael.

(*cough*)

That's "Rael". Rael.

(*cough*)

:D thx for the correction, takes a rael fan to point that out.

sharkshark, you from TO or Burlington?

My Amazon pre-order from August arrived today... This is what I ordered (cut and pasted from the site):

1 of: Genesis: 1970-1975 [Original recording remastered] [SACD] [Import]
Sold by: Amazon.com, LLC

:mad::mad::mad:[B]I received a NON-SACD, NON-IMPORT, RHINO CD/DVD set. :mad::mad::mad:

Amazon is truly terrible lately... What the hell is going on there recently?

:mad: I'm VERY disappointed!!! :mad:

If you -do- get the discs and they're from EMI (not Rhino) then you're a lucky guy... Surf up, pooper (man, that sounds weird) and you'll see the same thing happened to both Ca1ore and me... We changed our orders to the NTSC SACD set, and now are waiting 'till Dec.

FWIW, the same thing happened to me last time from Acoustic Sounds, they sent the Rhino instead of the SACD set. They quickly fixed the issue, but I got dinged twice for import duties, alas.

All this, of course, would be MUCH simpler if bloody Rhino did the right thing in the first place!!!Got the Rhino set. Just finished printing return label. I ordered the SACD set from Caiman (and it appears it was the only one they had or had listed on Amazon).

larry

My Amazon pre-order from August arrived today... This is what I ordered (cut and pasted from the site):

1 of: Genesis: 1970-1975 [Original recording remastered] [SACD] [Import]
Sold by: Amazon.com, LLC

:mad::mad::mad:[B]I received a NON-SACD, NON-IMPORT, RHINO CD/DVD set. :mad::mad::mad:

Amazon is truly terrible lately... What the hell is going on there recently?

:mad: I'm VERY disappointed!!! :mad:Exact same thing for me. I guess they'll be getting quite a few returns. :) I buy lots of things from Amazon and their resellers, rarely have a problem.

larry

...and as the song and dance begins, the children play at home with needles; needles and pins....

I was on pins and needles, but received my 1970-75 SACD/NTSC set tonight from Amazon Jp.

My quick review based on the 2-ch SACD is that the remastering of these discs is suberb, revolutionary compared to the original releases. In a nutshell, it's akin to a sonic veil being lifted off the original recordings. The music is extended, fuller, sounds almost live and pulls you right into the context.

The bass extension is much improved in Trespass, Nursery Cryme, and Foxtrot. Mike's work really comes through and Phil's drum work in NC and Fox reveal exceptionally clear cymbal strikes and hi-hat notes that I didn't notice before.

Steve's work in Foxtrot is way detailed, amazing in Can Utility. I haven't listened to Supper's Ready yet....saving that for the weekend :)

Selling England....wot can I say....went straight to Dancing, then to Cinema Show and was blown away. It's totally a new CD sonically, not compressed at all, just beautifully laid out and balanced in DSD.

The Lamb SACD....delivers in spades Real. I want to listen to it some more before I comment. And then want to try the DVD-A 5.1 versions :-)

Later....

Could I ask any of you who have received this set to lie and say that it really sucks - lots of compression, muddy dynamics and poor channel separation! At least until after Christmas when mine will be arriving (hopefully) :D.

Got the Rhino set. Just finished printing return label. I ordered the SACD set from Caiman (and it appears it was the only one they had or had listed on Amazon).

larry

What a pain! I have ordered the set through amazon uk from a reseller called Sister Ray Ltd. Got both the prior sets from them ultimately (after similar dalliances with amazon us) and, at least for now, they are showing shipping out to me 11/12.

I'm afraid I also bought the set from Amazon that was advertised as "SACD" and "IMPORT". It hasn't shown up yet, but I'm now positive it will be the CD/DVD set rather than the SACD set.

Question....Will the SACD 5.1 audio be different (or better, I suppose I should say) than the 5.1 audio on the DVD? I have the SACD version of the first box set with all the compression, and I have to say that when I listen to it on my 5.1 system, I always put on the DVD rather than the SACD. Am I missing something?

Someone posted a review of the 2-channel SACD and raved about how clear and superior it is to the regular version. I imagine that I'll only play the audio cd's in the car. When I'm home and using my good system I'd listen to the DVD. Are the mixes or sound quality different on the SACD than the 5.1 DVD?

Thanks for any input,
Dave

well, let's remove aesthetics from the equation - comparing the SACDs to the DVD m/c mixes on the other box sets proves that there's a -difference-. Better? Well, I think so... I feel it sounds, fuller, and (most importantly) reduces some of the harshness of the highend that the DVD seems to have.

For me, it's worth it, a wonderful mix of psychology and neurosis, with a dash of a minor audiophile that loves the sound of Genesis blaring from my system.

There's a =radical= difference between 2ch and m/ch, naturally, but the difference between good DVD compressed 5.1 and SACD is subtle, but there if you choose to listen for it.

It also, again, completely depends on your SACD setup. For example, I've got a Sony ES, and with those DACs every disc is supremely bright on my system. Using HDMI>DSD or PCM into my Integra via an Oppo 980 I find a much more pleasing sound on my system. Go figger.

Uppacreek, yeah, I'm in Toronto. Riverdale, if you'd like specifics...:)

And Ca1ore, I was thinking the same thing!!! Still, at least I let -you- know to revise your order... Would it not be worse to have received the Rhino set, only to have to send it back and wait =again=?

I'm just sayin... :)

Thanks, Sharkshark.

FWIW, My system consists of a Harmon Kardon 745 receiver, a Denon 3910 DVD, Boston Acoustic VR-3 fronts, a VR-12 center, four small Boston surrounds and two Velodyne 12" subs. I'm not really enough of an audiophile to know how the DAC's in the Denon compares to the Sony.

That said, since I (and everyone else. of course) has been waiting so long for this set, I'll listen to what I'm getting, then go out and buy the Lamb SACD individually when it becomes available and see if I can hear a difference.

If anyone else wants to weigh in with their thoughts on the subject of SACD - 5.1 DVD differences, I would of course be interested in hearing them.

Thanks again.

All I can say is Wow !
Well I can say a couple more things.
I received the set today from HMV. It is the SACD/NTSC set. I put on The Lamb and the multi-channel sound and mix has me discovering sounds and lyrics, that I heard a thousand times before over the 35+ years, with new clarity. Prepare your sub, it is going to get a workout. On Back In N.Y.C. I thought I was going to shake the windows loose.
This is the third set I ordered from HMV and I don't know how it gets here so fast. My set left Japan on Monday and it was here today, with a holiday in between.
I will give a further review once I listen and watch more of the set.

My Amazon pre-order from August arrived today... This is what I ordered (cut and pasted from the site):

1 of: Genesis: 1970-1975 [Original recording remastered] [SACD] [Import]
Sold by: Amazon.com, LLC

:mad::mad::mad:[B]I received a NON-SACD, NON-IMPORT, RHINO CD/DVD set. :mad::mad::mad:

Amazon is truly terrible lately... What the hell is going on there recently?

:mad: I'm VERY disappointed!!! :mad:

Sorry to hear this, but I guess Amazon wasn't exactly going to make it easy for you on an item that they would be losing a good chunk of money on. If you can get them to agree to the SACD box you pre-ordered at the original price you pre-ordered it at, prepare for a long wait as they shuffle availability dates.

(I've had some great experiences with Amazon, but I know that when a price is just "too good," then they'll find some way to stall you out of it and then if that doesn't work, cancel your order. As a matter of fact this happened with an earlier Genesis SACD box set that I (and many others) ordered from them last year. Got an unbelievable price on the set and then waited and waited and waited until they finally sent me (and many others) cancellation notices. See this thread for more details:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=924230

Of course, the price on that set was "too good to be true," but you may have a chance on your set since the price difference isn't that drastic. Good luck!)

To Keyes88,

Did you listen to the multi channel mix on the SACD disc or the DVD's 5.1 mix?

I wonder if you wouldn't mind listening to the same song on both and post any comments about how similar (or different) they are.

Thanks,
Dave

To Keyes88,

Did you listen to the multi channel mix on the SACD disc or the DVD's 5.1 mix?

I wonder if you wouldn't mind listening to the same song on both and post any comments about how similar (or different) they are.

Thanks,
Dave

I listened to both the SACD mix and the DTS 5.1 mix (with the original video screens on).
To my ears I like the SACD mix better. Not only does it sound clearer and warmer but I like the separation of the channels better. I'll be more precise when I can relax and sit back and enjoy the set. Listening when I come home from work and before I go to bed doesn't leave me much time to be objective.
I am in the camp of liking the multi-channel mixes of the SACD's. The DTS mix is good but I just can't explain why I like the SACD better. I haven't listened to the Dolby Digital mix or the standard mix yet.
It will take a while before I can listen to the whole set and discover my likes and dislikes of the mix just like the previous sets. I like most of what Nick has accomplished with this catalog.

What a pain! I have ordered the set through amazon uk from a reseller called Sister Ray Ltd. Got both the prior sets from them ultimately (after similar dalliances with amazon us) and, at least for now, they are showing shipping out to me 11/12.

$$?

FWIW, My system consists of a Harmon Kardon 745 receiver, a Denon 3910 DVD, Boston Acoustic VR-3 fronts, a VR-12 center, four small Boston surrounds and two Velodyne 12" subs. I'm not really enough of an audiophile to know how the DAC's in the Denon compares to the Sony.

...if you were local I'd lend you my other sets... :)

A decent setup, I had HK for about 5 models before I sold my AVR7200 to a friend to go with the speakers I sold him, and went with separates...

The Denon will sound different than the Sony, and it's a very decent player... Again, I've no doubt that you'll hear a difference (volume corrected, naturally), it's whether or not for you the difference is better, and, if so, how much better on your setup to justify the price.

Hi resolution is an ineffable pursuit, especially as the codecs have improved with new versions of the compression algorhythms (forgetting new codecs, just getting better at DD/DTS encoding).

With the SACD/DVD box, it's really nice to have both worlds...

I've been waiting long for this box set and love these albums but can't seem to spend over $200 for the SACD version. Especially after getting the 6 album Doors set for 60 odd bucks (and it included high-res!). Granted I'm a penny pincher somewhat... but I do own over 100 SACD/DVD-A titles before I even get to the DTS only stuff...

So, after some research it looks I can get it from the same place I got the Doors set (Buy) for 114 for the US version (non-SACD hybrid).... and hey, I'm going to get their credit card for an instant $30 savings on the order, LOL. (and then never use it again). $84 bucks vs... $200+? I simply have to draw the line. It's a personal decision, no offense to those that can squeak out the cash for the real deal.

Ultimately I'm a fan of 5.1/multichannel audio before being a fan of high-res. My system isn't even worthy by some peoples standards likely (Pioneer DV-563A player w/firmware update, Pioneer VSX-D711 Receiver, Advent AS2 fronts, Venturi Center, Audiovox LS rears (waaay budget but still sounds good to my ears) and 12" KLH powered sub. My only regret is not having 4 of the Advent speakers (rears matched and with more bass ooomph).

I typically find DTS mixes more bass heavy than their SACD counterparts but almost always hand adjust the knob on my sub to my liking when I put any album on. I have many DTS surround mixes on disc that I really like. Certainly I would rather own the SACD version if cost weren't an issue (for example the Depeche Mode discs I have are the US version). There is compression even in DTS at 96/24 and if you listen closely you can tell the difference with an SACD... even on a system with mid to low components. Of course, DTS vs. Redbook is night and day too so I'll just focus on that for now!

Just checked and it's "In Stock" and with free shipping....

Don't let my rant distract, I'm really excited about this set and should have it next week!

$$?

Approx 100 pounds sterling which, at current exchange rates, is in the $150 range - not bad, if I actually get it!

Now Amazon.com has a pre-order for the SACD boxset, $230.98, for Dec 23 release date. Today I ordered the current boxset from a Amazon.co.uk reseller about $125.00 USD w/shipping (actually the reseller is in the states :) ).

larry

-positive- it's the SACD/NTSC? Or you getting Pal?

This is confusing:
SA-CD.NET lists the catalog numbers thus:
5196832 (PAL), 5196872 (NTSC)

Amazon.jp - $207 says the SACD set is from the US but as usual they don't list the f*cking catalog number but they're own ASIN number so who knows.
HMV.jp - $177 lists this as a UK import and does list the NTSC catalog number
Amazon.uk - $125 again lists their own worthless f*cking ASIN so who knows.
I'm assuming it is PAL
Amazon.ca lists this for $245 cdn, please:rolleyes:

Larry, I guess you'll find out for sure.:D

-positive- it's the SACD/NTSC? Or you getting Pal?
PAL or NTSC works for me, I can play both. I just want the SACDs now. :)

larry

Just a warning to all....

The earlier box sets were both very compressed.

Some people loved this "modern sound", others (like me) were very sad to find that it was unlistenable.

Not surprisingly, those who loved the sound of the earlier boxes love the sound of this new set as well.

Reading the early comments on the new box set on the Steve Hoffmann forum suggests that this new set IS COMPRESSED, but perhaps not as badly as the earlier boxes.

The big question for me is: How many of those who hated the sound of the earlier boxes will like, or be able to put up with, the sound of this one?

Cheers,
Michael

Now Amazon.com has a pre-order for the SACD boxset, $230.98, for Dec 23 release date. Today I ordered the current boxset from a Amazon.co.uk reseller about $125.00 USD w/shipping (actually the reseller is in the states :) ).

larry

Let us know what you get shipment confirmation. I ordered yesterday from another UK amazon reseller and have yet to hear anything back.

...Michael, you ever hear of anyone at the Hoffman site liking =anything=? :)

Hello All,
FYI, You can get the Box set SACD PAL version from Steve Hackettes record lable Camino. My Box was shipped Tuesday from the UK total price wtih shipping $168.00. I have been waiting 5 years for this I cant wait! I am trying to figure out what cd I should listen to first!

Hello All,
FYI, You can get the Box set SACD PAL version from Steve Hackettes record lable Camino.

My SACD player will only play PAL discs when they are Region 0. What region are the PAL discs in your 1970-1975 box set.

Cheers,

Milt99,

you can add to your list, EIL.com still has the 1970-1975 box listed for $150 plus $8 for shipping.

I didn't order it yet becasue cutomer service can't confirm the region of the PAL DVDs. My DV-48AV won't play PAL DVDs unless they are Region 0.

Cheers,

My SACD player will only play PAL discs when they are Region 0. What region are the PAL discs in your 1970-1975 box set.

Cheers,

I will let you know when I get it. The PAL is only for the Video portion of the box set. I have an oppo for that. I bought the set for the music not the video.

My SACD player will only play PAL discs when they are Region 0. What region are the PAL discs in your 1970-1975 box set.

Cheers,
Form Camino's website,
PAL (European) picture format (All Region).

hey, cool..is it just me, or are the sets from Camino autographed by Hacket? Preorders only?

Let us know what you get shipment confirmation. I ordered yesterday from another UK amazon reseller and have yet to hear anything back. You have the details from my PM and I just checked status now and it says it has been "dispatched" and I got notified via email also.

larry

My copy came to the house yesterday(HMV.jp), but I had to wait until today to pick it up. I started with Tresspass on MCH. I was home alone with an active 8 month old, so my focus was not completely on the recording. My initial reaction was that I rediscovered Tresspass. It is not my favorite album, but it certainly has its moments.

The surround mix is sublte, which is very suitable for the most understated Genesis album (imo). The sonics really stand out and the original mix is BLOWN AWAY. Peters voice has so much more character to it, thanks to being alone in the center channel. The best sound is the 12 string guitar, as the warmth and beauty of its sound comes through clearly. The piano has so much more depth. And the bass has so much more fullness to it, it sounds wonderful. Two things I noticed during the album. I heard Mayhew's bass drum a lot more that the cd, and Ant's guitar work during the slow part of the Knife.

I did a quick A-B comparison of the stereo SACD to the Remastered CD. I listened to Looking for Someone, line by line, jumping back and forth. It's as like the veil was taken off the recording. The first line, the CD has harsh compression noise on Peter's voice, while the SACD is very smooth. The guitar and bass really show significant improvement.

I didn't notice the compression harshness as ssen the 75-82 set. But this recording may be their most dynamic album, and as I said before, imo, their most subtle/understated album. But I didn't give it a full volume test for reasons stated before.

If the others are as good as this one, it is worth the money, ten fold.

My "US" version shipped today. $96 out the door for me. I might have gone for the $168 PAL version (SACD) HeffeMusic listed above if I'd seen it. The only consolation for me is that I'll likely never hear the SACD mixes I'll be missing.

I'll enjoy the DTS versions (unless they are horrible) and give away my older Genesis cd's to someone I know who is a big Gabriel fan but never got the Genesis stuff. I might get the set as soon as tomorrow! For me NC or FT will be first. I'll save Lamb for the right moment when I can fully commit to the experience.

I wonder if the Redbook layer will be a noticeable difference from the 90's remaster series...

Did anyone else get their order from wherehouse.com cancelled? Originally it just showed a 12/23 date and I wrote them to ask why and then they said it was discontinued and a similar item with a 12/23 date release date is now listed. They say they only sell NA releases so it would be NTSC. But they still show 2 SACD items when you search for "genesis 1970". One for 12/23 for $162 and the other temp out of stock for $124. I gotta believe one is a PAL but who knows?

It seems coincidental that my order was cancelled at the same time I got a reply from their email? I wonder if they cancelled since I complained that others were receiving it?

I still have a long ways to go, but so far I've spent more than a few hours with the 70-75 box set SACD. The voyage of discovery I'm experiencing with this set is completely refreshing. Even though I've listened to these recordings many many times, the box set rekindles memories of when I first heard these progressive tracks on LP, wonderful.

The disc that stands out most sonically IMO is SEBTP. In both 2-ch and M/C SACD, the new disc blows the original CD away. My preferred track is Cinema Show which takes on an almost live soundstage in SACD. Imaging and dynamics are almost on par with the Seconds Out remastered live version, and that says a lot.

Trespass, NC and FT all benefit from the new remastering to DSD. I've cycled through most of the tracks on each of these discs, but not all yet, I'll get there soon enough. Suppers Ready tomorrow....

If there could be a disappointment with the set, it's the Lamb. The SACD version is superb, but if I could nit-pik, and I am nit-piking, I definitely noticed some compression in a few tracks. The extended dynamic range of the SACD is fantastic, but at times it's too pushed and not smooth. Hard to say, but like the 76-82 box set, which people say is worse, I don't mind the sound so I guess I'm in that camp that doesn't mind the compression. I say it's the quality of my audio system that compensates, but others will say that's nonsense, so to each is own.

One fantastic feature of the Lamb DVD-A disc is the video exhibition. As you listen to the tracks in DTS (or DD) 5.1, the on screen video cycles through pictures of 1970's NY that coincide with Pete's lyrics. It's cool to see the pictures of 70's cars in downtown NY and the scenes of people mulling about back then.

And then there's the Melody French TV 1974 video of Gen doing IKWIL and SR....audio/video quality is atrocious but who cares....I loved watching it :)

*jealous*

Great review, cheers. Those slides were the ones referenced above, 'borrowed' back from the Musical Box so-called tribute band...

I could make a joke about "You knowwwwwww what you like..." regarding sound quality, but, well, that'd be lost on some...;)

Those slides were the ones referenced above, 'borrowed' back from the Musical Box so-called tribute band...
OIC, thanks

I could make a joke about "You knowwwwwww what you like..." regarding sound quality, but, well, that'd be lost on some...;)
:D

Received my box from HMV Japan yesterday and I'll just briefly add my two cents:

I jumped around and listened to a little bit from each SACD with the emphasis on the multi-channel mixes. Very nice stuff. I can't compare it to the other Genesis boxes since I don't own them and have no interest in buying them since my interest in Genesis dropped after Gabriel left the group, but what I've sampled thus far has left me with no buyer's remorse. (I sprang for the most expensive box with the NTSC discs.)

(Since there were some questions about two other items in my order:

"Tom Waits In Concert"--Not much info on the package, but it says it was "recorded on World Tour 1977." If not for the bar code on the back, I'd called this a bootleg disc, but the sound is very good. Waits and his three man band run through seventeen songs.

"The Beatles Cartoons"--The box says "Most Clips Taken From The Original Film Rolls!" (Whatever that means.) There are 10 eight-minute cartoons which merely look okay. I can't say that any restoration work was done on them, but the animation is so simplistic that it probably wouldn't improve them all that much. The sound is a harsh mono concoction. Yes, you get two genuine Beatle songs in each cartoon, but you also get some of the worst British accents done by American actors in the rest of the cartoon. The DVD has a short insert (with several misspellings) explaining how the cartoons to be.)

And now back to that wonderful new Genesis box set...

Did anyone have any luck convincing Amazon that they pre-ordered the SACD and instead received the standard CD/DVD Package ? Just back from a business trip and waiting for me was a box from Amazon. Sure enough, even though I ordered the SACD, I received the CD/DVD version instead. Anyone have any luck, or should I simply just ship it back and start looking elsewhere ?

Today I listened to two versions of "Trespass"--the SACD and the DTS--both multi-channel mixes. If I did not have the SACD disc, I would find the DTS version acceptable, but being able to compare them both, I can easily hear how superior the SACD disc is.

Did anyone have any luck convincing Amazon that they pre-ordered the SACD and instead received the standard CD/DVD Package ? Just back from a business trip and waiting for me was a box from Amazon. Sure enough, even though I ordered the SACD, I received the CD/DVD version instead. Anyone have any luck, or should I simply just ship it back and start looking elsewhere ?

Thanks to sharkshark, I was aware prior to shipment that amazon was likely to get the CD and SACD set mixed up, so I had called them ahead of time to make sure they understood they 'owed' me the SACD set. That worked fine, except now they are delayed on that set until christmas - even though other outlets are now shipping. The cynic in me thinks amazon will just keep delaying the set rather than send it to me for the CD price.

Did anyone else get their order from wherehouse.com cancelled? Originally it just showed a 12/23 date and I wrote them to ask why and then they said it was discontinued and a similar item with a 12/23 date release date is now listed. They say they only sell NA releases so it would be NTSC. But they still show 2 SACD items when you search for "genesis 1970". One for 12/23 for $162 and the other temp out of stock for $124. I gotta believe one is a PAL but who knows?

It seems coincidental that my order was cancelled at the same time I got a reply from their email? I wonder if they cancelled since I complained that others were receiving it? I did get a second mail that just said they cancelled my order, although they still show 2 items in the listing. I decided to go with HMV to ensure I got the right one and hopefully in a couple weeks.

Today I listened to two versions of "Trespass"--the SACD and the DTS--both multi-channel mixes. If I did not have the SACD disc, I would find the DTS version acceptable, but being able to compare them both, I can easily hear how superior the SACD disc is.

I completely agree, the M/Ch SACD mixes are excellent and I've found that this holds true for all five discs. And I'm not normally a fan of M/Ch! PG makes reference in an interview on the bonus disc that rather than tone down the mix to the surround channels to cater for those whose rear speakers don't adequately match the fronts, they decided to do 5.1 "properly" and utilize the full potential of the format. It works beautifully, the transition of instruments from front to back and back to front is subtle yet very immersive in SACD M/Ch.

oh my god I want this set already... I've got to stop reading this thread.
sigh...

ps. That Gabriel quote TOTALLY makes me happy... and jealous. and happy.

:)

ok, now it's following me:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:j9fuxz9kldae

Who wants to write to STE and correct him that they are DVD discs, not DVD-Audio?

What a great idea this (former) format war was, huh?

Be happy....be very happy....you're gonna love this box set. I've stopped listening to the discs in 2-ch SACD with my Ayre since the M/Ch SACD via my Oppo 980 is phenomenal. For example, think of the many crescendos that build during Fountain of Salmacis. In M/Ch SACD the sound starts softly in the front with Tony's keyboards, builds up in 2-ch when the drums and bass come in and then transitions and migrates to the surrounds just prior to the apex. It's wonderful! I'd say you should have a good set of full range surround speakers to get the full impact. Also, I've found the bass extension in SACD is cleaner and more defined relative to the DTS version on DVD.

it's stupid, but the track I most love (irrationally) on Lamb, and one I've wanted on m/c forever now, is "The Grand Parade..."

Lifeless packaging, indeed, but I'm a total sucker for crescendo, and I freakin' LOVE Phil and Pete on that track...

On a related note, I love the hell of of "Skating Away" by Tull... I've got the quad mix of War Child and it's pretty sublime. Heck, even "You Can't Always Get What you Want" or "Hey Jude" has similar, slow build structures, but, well, so does "Wonderwall". :)

Ah, fageddaboutit... Bring me my damn set!!!!

If I did not have the SACD disc, I would find the DTS version acceptable

That's good news for me. I'm dying with anticipation, my Standard US edition is being delivered today. Too bad I'm stuck here at work!

I know that SACD quality will blow away the DTS but am still banking the DTS will blow away the Redbook Remasters from a few years ago..

Over the weekend I played Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme from the Remasters to prep myself....

On a related note, I love the hell of of "Skating Away" by Tull... I've got the quad mix of War Child and it's pretty sublime.




sharkshark,

I'm also a huge Jethro Tull fan and have always been interested in hearing their stuff in 5.1 Surround. After reading your post I "Googled" Warchild in 5.1 and am currently downloading it as a bit torrent file. Is that how you obtained it or did you have a Quad LP? If you got it via the bit torrent route, allow me to ask a newbie question, which is...I would assume when the file download is finished I'll have to burn it onto a DVD rather than a CD to hear the 5.1....yes?

Thanks for the idea first and the answer to this question second.

On a related note, I love the hell of of "Skating Away" by Tull... I've got the quad mix of War Child and it's pretty sublime.

I would assume when the file download is finished I'll have to burn it onto a DVD rather than a CD to hear the 5.1....yes?

Thanks for the idea first and the answer to this question second.

maybe I can answer. It would depend how the person authored the disc. There are quad transfers I've seen offered up as dts cd's, flac, dvd's with dolby digital or dts, and some even author it as a dvd-audio disc.

yeah, that... :)

DTS-CD are "lossy", DVD-A are "lossless" compressed...it all depends, naturally, on the largesse of the person who created the file.

Alas, I don't have CD4 playback from the original vinyl...

Enjoy it! While you're at it, try and track down Quadrophenia CD4 for me, please? Let alone Joni's "Hissing..." album, haven't been able to track that down either alas...

ps. Hot Butter's "Popcorn" is superwicked in Quad. :)

pps. BRING ME MY SET!!!

WOW!! Really. Ok, let me go back... I get home from work, no box... sadness. Look online still says up for today... UPS delivers up til' 7:30. Ok... take the kids to cub scouts, leave note by door expecting to come home to nothing. But then, the box!

So far my only regret is that buydotcom dropped the price $20 since I ordered it (listing for $94 for the us version now).

OK back to the real topic. Yes, I bought the non-SACD set. I listened to Foxtrot last night (older CD release labled "Definitive Remaster" (LOL)). So I broke out Foxtrot first. I started by playing the first 2 min of Watcher from the "Definitive Remaster" to do an A/B comparison to the new CD included. I had to go back and make it an A/B/A to make sure I was hearing it right. OMG even the new "CD" mix blows away the "Definitive". It's so obvious it's almost painful. It sounded so good, Phil's fills coming out like never before, but I still stopped at 2 min to put in the DVD. Elevate to another level altogether with the multichannel DTS mix. As I listened to the CD the other day I wondered if it would sound "dated" still in the surround mix. Not only does it sound completely more modern in the CD mix it is pure delight in 5.1. Every song just sounds incredible. Watcher is "heavier" than ever and just a monster. You can hear everything clearly like never before. I have some of this on vinyl and look forward to doing some comparisons there as well soon. This BLOWS doors off of the 2 post Gabriel albums I got (Duke and Trick though I do like Trick alot). I hear peaks and builds in the music, seems to have plenty of dynamics. I'm sure it's compressed compared to it's SACD twin but still.... the 96/24 DTS is bliss to me now. Suppers Ready is coming on now... have to go and close my eyes for a few. I can't wait to hear more. Buy this in any form if you like these albums... really this is worth all the wait IMHO.

-Randall

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genesis-1970-1975-6dvd/dp/B00104WHLA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1227029015&sr=1-1

Is this it? Will this get me the full high bitrate lossless 5.1 mix?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genesis-1970-1975-6dvd/dp/B00104WHLA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1227029015&sr=1-1

Is this it? Will this get me the full high bitrate lossless 5.1 mix?

Yup, if you have a SACD player... Plus, it's the PAL version for the companion disc...

Yup, if you have a SACD player... Plus, it's the PAL version for the companion disc...Yup, I have a SACD player. The music content is the same between PAL and NTSC? Is just the DVD video that is accelerated to 25fps?

Ahhh! My SACD set has finally arrived. Cannot wait to give it a listen.

Ahhh! My SACD set has finally arrived. Cannot wait to give it a listen.

With so many people having Amazon screw up their orders, I forget--where did you buy it from again? PAL or NTSC?

And, of course, we want to hear your thoughts on the box set...

With so many people having Amazon screw up their orders, I forget--where did you buy it from again? PAL or NTSC?

And, of course, we want to hear your thoughts on the box set...

Got the SACD/PAL set though amazon in the UK. I can play both NTSC/PAL - and don't really care about the video side of the set anyhow! Got a good price given the current exchange rates.

Cannot wait to play these discs!

You might care about the DVD side of the set when you see what they did with Lamb. It's more than just slides and totally compliments the music!

I've now played all but the bonus disc and each is really amazing compared to prior mixes. The surround mixes are all done very well without being gimicky. These albums have never sounded this good before and they are some of my personal favorites.

I watched the video extras last night. I hadn't seen the VH1 archive before and the videos of WOTS and TMB brought back nice memories of seeing them do the songs live and gave me goose bumps. Today I'll be firing up the tubes and listening to the SACDs.

larry

Listened to Trespass last night - an excellent, if underappreciated album - and if it is any indication, this is the best sounding set. I suppose these early albums have always been my favorites, showcasing a band at the peak of it creative prowess, thus biasing my view a bit, but WOW!

I hear very little of the compression that detracted somewhat from the earlier sets, and the surround mix is done quite tastefully and effectively. Peter Gabriels voice has never been clearer and you can hear things that were never apparent in earlier incarnations of these recordings - including, funnily enough, Tony Banks backing vocals which come through quite clearly and distinctly in places.

The bass is awesome - particularly on White Mountain (one of my personal faves) and The Knife. I have spent both time and cash over the years trying to get world-class bass out of my surround sound system to the point where seven subs are required to fully smooth out the lumpy bass response in my room. It is on recordings like this that the investment is borne out - fabulous!

I look forward to going through 'Cryme tonight.

What a shame that more people havn't been able or willing to appreciate the incredible experience of hi-rez surround sound music, and that more bands/record labels haven't had the courage and vision to release more recordings like this. Sigh!

So far I'm quite happy. I'm half-way through Foxtrot after listening to Trespass and Nursery Cryme. The sound gets better with each disc most likey due to the quality of the masters as tech progressed 30 some odd years ago. I'm listening to 2ch SACD. This is the best this music has sounded (recorded).

larry

...wait a minute, seven subs?

PM if you want, but what are you running? I'm the idiot with 6 (sorta... DefTech 7100sc fronts, 3000 for center, PM900 sides and a Velodyne 15" for LFE... all in a 12x15 room!)

SEVEN? :)

So happy you guys are grooving on these tunes!!!

So how long we going to have to wait for "From Genesis to Revelation" to come out on SACD? :) I did listen to all the discs yesterday. Some songs "critically", others not so much because I was working. I'm not going to complain at all, I'm very happy. It was worth the wait.

larry

...wait a minute, seven subs?

PM if you want, but what are you running? I'm the idiot with 6 (sorta... DefTech 7100sc fronts, 3000 for center, PM900 sides and a Velodyne 15" for LFE... all in a 12x15 room!)

SEVEN? :)

So happy you guys are grooving on these tunes!!!

I know, does seem a bit obsessive-compulsive, but I have been on a multiple year 'odyssey' to get smooth extended bass out of a room that is less than acoustically ideal. Given the modes and lumps in my room, the only way to do this was to overload the room with multiple bass sources - many of them just running below 40 hz.

I am also a long time audiophile and have assembled a really state-of-the-art system (much of it bought second, or even third hand as a way to mitigate cost) that allows hi rez 5.1 music to shine.

I run Genesis 200s as my main right and left speakers, and even though they are flat down to 16 hz I get nothing close to that in my room so also run a pair of Genesis 928 subs that are actually placed behind me. My surrounds (five Bohlender-Graebner 520i speakers for sides, rears and rear center) are limited range so three more subs - a single 3-channel BagEnd for the rears and two sunfire d10 subs for the sides - augment their bass response.

Finally, I run two subs for the .1 LFE channel - a Martin-Logan Descent and a VMPS (along with a butt shaker in the couch).

I have been considering an eighth sub to augment the center channle - but that seemed to be overdoing things a bit :D, don't you think?

Ah well, back to THE SET!

Got through 'Cryme and Foxtrot last night and continue to be very pleased with the set. I see that grousing about compression has already started on other forums along with complaints that these new versions are not 'faithful' to the originals. Some have gone so far as to suggest that they sound like different songs - hyperbole of course!

I find the latter criticism, particularly, to be quite curious. I have been listening exclusively to the SACD 5.1 version, so clearly there are differences from the original 2-channel versions - but it's not like they are not recognizable or have new sounds added. My experience with hi-rez surround sound is that details previously obscured in the older 2-channel versions are quite apparent and can be surprising - 'don't recall hearing THAT before'. I also find with hi-rez 5.1 that it is much easier to hear the 'creak' of the instruments, with a much clearer sense of what was used to make a particular sound or sound-effect. Disconcerting to some, I suppose.

Interestingly, so far, Trespass remains my favorite - perhaps becasue the improvement wrought is so dramatic compared to older versions of the disc. Both 'Cryme and Foxtrot are fabulous, although, on the latter, I find Horizons to be a bit louder than i would have liked and a few bass-pedals seemed to be missing from Supper's Ready (although I may be mixing it up with the live version on Archive #1, will have to check).

My all-time favorite G album is Selling England by the Euro, so look forward to giving that a spin tonight.

Hello All,
I just got my SACD Box set last night. I was only able to listen to Nursery Cryme. WOW! what an experience! It feels like they removed a haze that was over the last remastered version. You can hear all the instruments so clearly. The interplay between Hackett and Banks playing unison lines is incredible. Hacketts solo on The fountin of samalicis sounds amazing. I cant wait to listen to all the other albums. Also the interviews with the band discussing track by track makes it that much better. :eek:

Ca1ore, that is quite an obnoxious setup, particularly with the inclusion of the "butt-kickers". I mean, really, have you coated your couch in plastic for the inevitable bowel release at 6hz?

Speaking of poo, I'll take the cautiously optimistic positivity in this thread over any whiny/bitching from Hoffman/et. al. any day... Yes, there may well be things to criticize, but, dammit, keep your old version if you're so pathetically needing to harp on the new ones!

The "they don't sound like the old version" argument is so horrifyingly redundant given the impetus for these releases....

And let me be the first to say it here - just WAIT until the Beatles catalogue update that's coming in 2009 shows up for some severely ridiculous hyperbole...

Got through 'Cryme and Foxtrot last night and continue to be very pleased with the set. I see that grousing about compression has already started on other forums along with complaints that these new versions are not 'faithful' to the originals. Some have gone so far as to suggest that they sound like different songs - hyperbole of course!

I find the latter criticism, particularly, to be quite curious. I have been listening exclusively to the SACD 5.1 version, so clearly there are differences from the original 2-channel versions - but it's not like they are not recognizable or have new sounds added. My experience with hi-rez surround sound is that details previously obscured in the older 2-channel versions are quite apparent and can be surprising - 'don't recall hearing THAT before'. I also find with hi-rez 5.1 that it is much easier to hear the 'creak' of the instruments, with a much clearer sense of what was used to make a particular sound or sound-effect. Disconcerting to some, I suppose.

Interestingly, so far, Trespass remains my favorite - perhaps becasue the improvement wrought is so dramatic compared to older versions of the disc. Both 'Cryme and Foxtrot are fabulous, although, on the latter, I find Horizons to be a bit louder than i would have liked and a few bass-pedals seemed to be missing from Supper's Ready (although I may be mixing it up with the live version on Archive #1, will have to check).

My all-time favorite G album is Selling England by the Euro, so look forward to giving that a spin tonight.
I listened to only 2ch and I do think the dynamics could have been better if you compare it to modern recordings, but I don't think that is the fault of the remaster, I believe it's just how the originals were done. There's nobody who can say factually that the new issues are more compressed than than any of the others unless they have access to the original tapes. There may be some slight extra compression during "loud" parts because most remasters tend to up the gain a tad to try and extract some extra detail. These discs certainly don't sound as bad as the first box set that came out. And, I too, heard things I never noticed before on some songs. Maybe when I have nothing better to do I'll A/B the CD versions with previous issues.

larry

Ca1ore, that is quite an obnoxious setup, particularly with the inclusion of the "butt-kickers". I mean, really, have you coated your couch in plastic for the inevitable bowel release at 6hz?


Best audio review quotation I ever read was for the Clark Synthesis Tactile Transducer where the reviewer called them 'the best bang for the butt' in home theater. LOL

..."penetrating", a word used when describing the caliber of the pithy review above, and the diagnosis noted on the Doctor's chart, describing just what action the "couch piston" performed during the audio sodomy that accidentally (but, sadly, inevitably) resulted from the playback of Peter Gabriel UP SACD, Track 6.





..Sorry, too soon?

And let me be the first to say it here - just WAIT until the Beatles catalogue update that's coming in 2009 shows up for some severely ridiculous hyperbole...

In Hi-Rez 5.1? Man, that would be too much to hope for as the Beatles Love album remains my favorite hirez 5.1 recording (at least for a few more days).

...dig in another thread here, I had a brief chat about this with Giles Martin and an Apple Records exec about this... Notably they told me nothing, but I -assure- you I pestered them for high res/5.1. All the Apple guy wanted to know if I had bought Help on DVD (had bought, and yet, stupidly, have yet to watch it ever...Maybe I should do that now!) :)

Anyhoo, here's a bet - we'll get rereleases of all the albums in Remastered CD. Europe -may- get SACD. I'd be pleasantly giddy if they did what Genesis has done, and gone the CD/DVD set route. Maybe they'll grant us comprehensive docs on each album, interviewing surving Beatles, as well as George Martin, the Studio 1 boys, etc.

So, it -has- been confirmed (in Uncut, among other places) that we'll get remasters. It's a far flung hope that we'll get 5.1 (or, hell, 7.1!). We can only dream...

I'll be surprised (well, shocked) if we're getting 5.1...

ps. Did you buy the doc on the making of Love? (wow, that sounds weird). Alas it's not BD, but it does the trick, a decent film
pps. Do you own this ( http://recordingthebeatles.com/)? If not, you HAVE to... Super, SUPER amazing book for any Beatles Nerd.
ppps. You want prog sickyness? I'm typing while I watch a Pink Floyd concert of Atom Heart Mother that played on San Francisco TV in 1970.

Hey All,
I have finished listening to all the SACDs (except Tresspass, and the unreleased songs). I think Nick Davis did a fantastic Job breathing new life into some of the greatest and most creative music of all time. I listened to the Lamb last night and you can tell that they recorded this album in a huge room. The sound stage is massive. There seems to be alot of room sound for ambiance. and some times it takes away from the clarity of the instruments. I think the Sonics on the older albums have a better overall tightness. If I had to pick my favorite SACD mix, it probably would be Nursey Cryme.

I'm halfway through Lamb .... thought SEBTP was terrific, but I must confess I found the first half of Lamb 'different' than I remember. Perhaps this is because the definitive Lamb for me has become the live version on Archive 1 and I have therefore not listened to the studio version in a number of years - perhaps it is just a poor memory.

Regardless, if there was a better and more creative run of five albums by ANY band in R&R history I've yet to find it!

I'm halfway through Lamb .... thought SEBTP was terrific, but I must confess I found the first half of Lamb 'different' than I remember. Perhaps this is because the definitive Lamb for me has become the live version on Archive 1 and I have therefore not listened to the studio version in a number of years - perhaps it is just a poor memory.

Regardless, if there was a better and more creative run of five albums by ANY band in R&R history I've yet to find it!

I definately agree with you in regards to the Lamb. There were times where I felt the mix was missing something? There were holes in the music. This is the only album out of the box set where I felt the songs took on a different overall feel?

I definately agree with you in regards to the Lamb. There were times where I felt the mix was missing something? There were holes in the music. This is the only album out of the box set where I felt the songs took on a different overall feel?

I am now through all the discs, and noticed a different feel to the Lamb really only on the first disc, not the second. Not sure if I would call it 'holes in the music', rather different sounds seemd to be emphasized. But, as I observed above, I have been listening to the live lamb in recent years so will have to go back to the old studio version to make a few comparisons.

Regardless, these new versions have a clarity that is far better than before and in SS allows you to hear sounds that were previously obscured in the mix. And in places, the power in the bass is really awesome.

I know both Tony B. and Mike R. tend to be somewhat self-effacing about their playing abilities, but collectively the band has never sounded better than on these new SACD versions. Collins' drums sound particularly good.

Also, other than Horizons kind of jumping out at me, the levels of compression seem less apparent than the other sets (lthough in both those prior sets I was not as bothered as others).

Hope these sell well enough to pursuade the powers-that-be to move forward with the live set!

I am now through all the discs, and noticed a different feel to the Lamb really only on the first disc, not the second. Not sure if I would call it 'holes in the music', rather different sounds seemd to be emphasized. But, as I observed above, I have been listening to the live lamb in recent years so will have to go back to the old studio version to make a few comparisons.

Regardless, these new versions have a clarity that is far better than before and in SS allows you to hear sounds that were previously obscured in the mix. And in places, the power in the bass is really awesome.

I know both Tony B. and Mike R. tend to be somewhat self-effacing about their playing abilities, but collectively the band has never sounded better than on these new SACD versions. Collins' drums sound particularly good.

Also, other than Horizons kind of jumping out at me, the levels of compression seem less apparent than the other sets (lthough in both those prior sets I was not as bothered as others).

Hope these sell well enough to pursuade the powers-that-be to move forward with the live set!
I totaly agree with you in regards to tne new level these mixes have brought out in these albums. Rutherfords bass definately shines. Do you notice that when he plays the bass pedals the bottom end gets a little to hot?

Well today I finally found the deal I can live with on this wonderful set. I purchased the Imported 7SACD/6DVD (PAL) Virgin set from a 100% feedback EBayer for the great price of $127.00. Here's how you can to. First go to MSN live.com search. Put in Genesis 1970-1975 look for yellow 25% cashback sticker for EBAY. Click on, go to Ebay, find the item. Unfortunately, I couldn't find one with free shipping. It must be buy it now and you must use Paypal. I found a box set that went for $190.00 shipped used the 10% EBay coupon for November for $18 bucks off down to $172 then applied the 25% MSN Live search cashback for another $45.00 off bringing the total to a cool $ 127.00 and change.

Check it out, I think the seller still has 2 available. From what I've read can't wait to hear Selling England with the accompanied slides on DVD.

Rutherfords bass definately shines. Do you notice that when he plays the bass pedals the bottom end gets a little to hot?

What do you mean by 'too hot' - too loud? Certainly some of the bass pedals come at you with some energy, although low bass can behave strangely so if your primary listening spot happens to be at a bass-reinforcing point in your room it can seem pretty loud. During those spots, try moving around you room a bit and you'll see how the energy levels can fluctuate between peaks and nulls. I've done this with friends of mine over the eyars and they are consistently amazed at how low bass loudness varies at different places in the room.

I purchased the Imported 7SACD/6DVD (PAL) Virgin set from a 100% feedback EBayer for the great price of $127.00.

That's a good price, but it may be possible to get it at the same price without going through all of the hoops. Zavvi.com http://www.zavvi.co.uk/productdetails.jsf;jsessionid=028D8E70626DB9AE8C45BD477CA31D 90.app13?code=879284&tab=3#productTabsContainer sells the box set for GBP 79. Add shipping to the US for an additional GBP 5 and factor in the current exchange rate and the price is virtually the same.

Nil,

Good Find. Hell, I was all over the web the last few days and never found that company in any searches. I must have missed it. Either way, considering what some have paid we both got a good deal here. ENJOY !!

...anybody hate theirs and want to send it to me?

I hear it's -terrible-, with compression ruining the sound! and DNR! And Edge Enhancement! I mean, it's CRAP, right?! SEND IT TO ME AMAZON....






sorry guys, just a moment of weakness that had me checking in on your fun...

Ok, let me get this straight:
there are two different sets of Genesis music, one is U.S., one is Europe.

The U.S. set is dts and dolby and along with inferior sound, has an inferior surround mix. It is cheaper than the european set.

The european set is in SACD and has better sound and better surround mix, but it comes with PAL video which I can't view on my U.S. region dvd player. In other words, I pay a premium for the set and pay for some stuff I'll never be able to enjoy. But, it is a better sounding set.

Is this right? If I am wrong, please set me straight as I want to buy something.

Ok, let me get this straight:
there are two different sets of Genesis music, one is U.S., one is Europe.

The U.S. set is dts and dolby and along with inferior sound, has an inferior surround mix. It is cheaper than the european set.

The european set is in SACD and has better sound and better surround mix, but it comes with PAL video which I can't view on my U.S. region dvd player. In other words, I pay a premium for the set and pay for some stuff I'll never be able to enjoy. But, it is a better sounding set.

Is this right? If I am wrong, please set me straight as I want to buy something.

Well, actually, there's kind of like three sets. The Asian/Japanese SACD/NTSC set which is the most expensive, BUT it has video which you can enjoy on your U.S. region DVD player.

The U.S. set is dts and dolby and along with inferior sound, has an inferior surround mix. It is cheaper than the european set.

The european set is in SACD and has better sound and better surround mix, but it comes with PAL video which I can't view on my U.S. region dvd player.

Not exactly! Differences are that on the audio side, the US version is regular redbook CD while the European version (and Asian version) also has hirez SACD. The surround mixes are the same.

I would suspect that most people would detect no difference, or only minimal difference, between the CD and SACD versions. Most of the difference is in the 5.1 mix.

If your player cannot do PAL and/or you do not consider yourself to be an obsessive-compulsive audiophile, save some $$ and get the US set; otherwise go SACD!

DaBreeze, I have used your excellent advice and ordered Genesis UK version SACDs containing set from I believe the same ebay seller as you did. After applying stackable 25% and 10% offs the price including the shipping is definitely lower comparing to zavvi dot co dot uk. Well, now this seller has only one set available. :p

Thanks again for so sweet advice. I am itching to put it in my SACD player and start enjoying.

I'm still loving the DTS mixes here on the US version of this set. Surely the SACD sounds better but the mixes are the same. These sound stunning even in DTS compared to any other prior mixes of these albums.

Well if you use the Oppo 980hd as the playback device it will play the PAL discs just fine.I don't have this set yet but my previous ones I own 2 of them were PAL, and I can see/hear the videos just like if they were NTSC.

Same goes for me (with first box set)--I have a Cambridge Audio 540D (v.1) which not only converts NTSC<>PAL (in each direction) but outputs each in its native form (which my PJ and monitor can each handle) so no issues about PAL discs. I believe many HDTVs (perhaps not all, but a significant portion of them) can accept a PAL signal directly, if one has a PAL capable player.

Wow, SEBTP has 1.5 hours of bonus video footage. Spotty video and sound in places but great for someone like me that never saw Genesis from that era before. Watching Gabriel is just great, you can really see the Bowie influence in his live persona.

The pal discs are region 0 and will play on any computer, and many
of the dvd players that can switch to pal mode. No region encoding
on the discs.

Well 2 of the CDs I ordered with the Genesis box from HMV never came in and they asked if I wanted to cancel those items. I was worried they would take back the 25% discount since I would no longer have 3 CDs in the order. But emailed them and they said I would still get the discount price.

Seems some have drunk the Kool-Aid. IMO and AFAIC:), the DTS of LLDOB (the only one I've heard from the 3rd box set) sounds just as bad as the first box set sounded (I didn't buy any of the 2nd box set). :rolleyes:

The slideshow is great, though.

Noob questions

I have the two-disc versions of A Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering that came out last year, and the second disc of each is supposedly SACD. I really only picked them up for the DVD video/concert footage, but I recently realized that my old Sony DVD/CD player has the SACD logo on the front. I'm pretty sure this means that it will play SACDs (duh), but I thought I read somewhere that you can't play SACD audio over optical or coax. The player is hooked up to my AVR via optical (with the video going directly to my TV via component) so I guess that means I'm not really listening to SACD sound.

Question 1: Since the player is older than HDMI, and it can't output SACD through optical or coax, does this mean that the only way to get true SACD is through the 5.1 analog outputs?

Question 2 (probably rhetorical): Since I recently upgraded my AVR to one which includes HDMI but no 5.1 analog inputs, did I just remove my only way to actually listen to SACDs?

Question 3: If the answers to both questions are "Yes", I'm kinda screwed, so can anyone think of a way to use the old AVR (with the 5.1 analog input) and feed a multichannel line-level signal to the new AVR?

Question 4 (definitely rhetorical): Why the hell doesn't my Blu-ray player, the one with HDMI output to my AVR, play SACDs? Wouldn't that be logical? (Sorry, I guess that's two questions).

Thanks in advance for any replies!

Noob questions

I have the two-disc versions of A Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering that came out last year, and the second disc of each is supposedly SACD. I really only picked them up for the DVD video/concert footage, but I recently realized that my old Sony DVD/CD player has the SACD logo on the front. I'm pretty sure this means that it will play SACDs (duh), but I thought I read somewhere that you can't play SACD audio over optical or coax. The player is hooked up to my AVR via optical (with the video going directly to my TV via component) so I guess that means I'm not really listening to SACD sound.

Question 1: Since the player is older than HDMI, and it can't output SACD through optical or coax, does this mean that the only way to get true SACD is through the 5.1 analog outputs?

Question 2 (probably rhetorical): Since I recently upgraded my AVR to one which includes HDMI but no 5.1 analog inputs, did I just remove my only way to actually listen to SACDs?

Question 3: If the answers to both questions are "Yes", I'm kinda screwed, so can anyone think of a way to use the old AVR (with the 5.1 analog input) and feed a multichannel line-level signal to the new AVR?

Question 4 (definitely rhetorical): Why the hell doesn't my Blu-ray player, the one with HDMI output to my AVR, play SACDs? Wouldn't that be logical? (Sorry, I guess that's two questions).

Thanks in advance for any replies!

Not sure but you may be able to get the SACD 2ch stereo output over a pair of analog stereo inputs. I assume your cd player can choose either the multichannel or 2ch SACD layers to play? and you would choose the sacd stereo.

#3- have no idea, I doubt it...

#4- I'm guessing because it's not in the BR standards and SACD is kind of dead. I think and old version of PS3 did sacd and they removed it from later models.

Seems some have drunk the Kool-Aid. IMO and AFAIC:), the DTS of LLDOB (the only one I've heard from the 3rd box set) sounds just as bad as the first box set sounded (I didn't buy any of the 2nd box set). :rolleyes:

The slideshow is great, though.

The other box sets just have weaker material IMHO, LOL.

Don't compare it to other albums..compare it to any mix you had of the Lamb album before. I have yet to pull out my Lamb on Vinyl to do an A/B but will. Likely I'll still be happy with the DTS. It blows away my older CD mix. Perhaps there is compression (I assume this is your complaint) in the SACD mix as well? Perhaps it's from the source tracks and not the mix? All valid questions. The vinyl should answer these for me (if it has less compression then the SACD would likely also). Maybe it's not perfect but is it better?(yes, IMHO). Some just don't like the new "mixes" which definitely change the sound of the music some.

I will say that on DTS only mixes like this I turn my subwoofer input down about 40-50%. The DTS mixes always seem bass-heavy compared to SACD and DVD-A where I leave it at 100% typically.

And lastly, I didn't drink the Kool-aid, I had an IPA to go with my Lamb. :D

Also, play Foxtrot... it's my favorite of the new mixes so far.

The other box sets just have weaker material IMHO, LOL.:D I can still be objective.


..compare it to any mix you had of the Lamb album before. I have yet to pull out my Lamb on Vinyl to do an A/B but will.It may not sound great, but I think my CD sounds better. I wish I still had my vinyl copy (and a way to play it). That's the way it's supposed to be heard.


Perhaps there is compression (I assume this is your complaint) in the SACD mix as well? Perhaps it's from the source tracks and not the mix? All valid questions. The vinyl should answer these for me (if it has less compression then the SACD would likely also). Maybe it's not perfect but is it better?(yes, IMHO). Some just don't like the new "mixes" which definitely change the sound of the music some.It's not just the compression. It's "tinny" as hell and has no character. Blandly digitized. And no, I don't care for all of the mixing choices, but they are innocuous compared to the sound.


I will say that on DTS only mixes like this I turn my subwoofer input down about 40-50%. The DTS mixes always seem bass-heavy compared to SACD and DVD-A where I leave it at 100% typically.Not this. More often than not, IMO, the bass is lacking. But when there is strong bass, it IS too strong. I turned my subwoofer off in my receiver (set my fronts to LARGE) just to see if the sub channel was off and if it sounded any different. Still sounded bad to me. Blech!


And lastly, I didn't drink the Kool-aid, I had an IPA to go with my Lamb. :DWell, I "experienced" this album on vinyl, locked in a dorm room under the influence of a heavy-duty dose of a mind-altering substance in college on several different occasions, so I consider myself to be pretty intimately familiar with it. This just doesn't do it for me. Hard to compete with that, I suppose. :eek:


Also, play Foxtrot... it's my favorite of the new mixes so far.Well, Lamb sure didn't entice me.



The grand parade of lifeless packaging.:rolleyes:

Question 1: Since the player is older than HDMI, and it can't output SACD through optical or coax, does this mean that the only way to get true SACD is through the 5.1 analog outputs?That's the only way to get multichannel SACD. As pointed out, you can still listen to the 2-channel hirez track with a standard 2-channel analog connection.


Question 2 (probably rhetorical): Since I recently upgraded my AVR to one which includes HDMI but no 5.1 analog inputs, did I just remove my only way to actually listen to SACDs?The multichannel tracks, yes. Unless you want to pull the old guy out and hook it up again.


Question 3: If the answers to both questions are "Yes", I'm kinda screwed, so can anyone think of a way to use the old AVR (with the 5.1 analog input) and feed a multichannel line-level signal to the new AVR?Nope. If the new AVR has no multichannel analog pre-ins, it's just not doable.


Question 4 (definitely rhetorical): Why the hell doesn't my Blu-ray player, the one with HDMI output to my AVR, play SACDs? Wouldn't that be logical? (Sorry, I guess that's two questions).If there is one available (I think there is), you could have (should have) bought a universal BR player. But expecting a standard BR player to do it is like expecting just any DVD player to be able to do it.

Sivadselim,

I wonder if you would feel the same way about the SACD versions. To my ears they sound better than the DTS versions. Any way for you to hear them? Got some fellow Genesis friends close by who are into SACD? You could buy them the SACD box set for a holiday present. :)

Orbert,

You could buy a OPPO DV-980H and connect it to your receiver with a single HDMI cable and get your multichannel SACD sound that way.

(Provided, of course, you don't mind spending about $170 to get that sound.)

Seems some have drunk the Kool-Aid. IMO and AFAIC:), the DTS of LLDOB (the only one I've heard from the 3rd box set) sounds just as bad as the first box set sounded (I didn't buy any of the 2nd box set). :rolleyes:

The slideshow is great, though.

Hello All,
IMO the Lamb SACD, is the weakest remix out of the 3 other (Collins, Hackett) era albums.
As far as DTS vs SACD, SACDs Sonics are far better than the DTS mix.
1. Nursery Cryme.
2. Foxtrot
3. Selling England
4. Lamb
5. Tress Pass.

Phil Tomaskovic and sivadselim, thanks for the detailed replies. Definitely makes sense.

Franchot, thanks for the suggestion. I've heard good things about the OPPO players for upconversion, but didn't realize that they supported DVD-A and SACD as well, and through HDMI to boot. $170 is a little steep, but not out of the question, and it's good to know that I at least have the option.

Franchot, thanks for the suggestion. I've heard good things about the OPPO players for upconversion, but didn't realize that they supported DVD-A and SACD as well, and through HDMI to boot. $170 is a little steep, but not out of the question, and it's good to know that I at least have the option.

Another option is Pioneer 48AV. It also plays SACD and DVD-A and has an HDMI output. Currently sells for $99 at Vanns.

Kool-Aid or no Kool-Aid, these albums sound great to me in SACD 5.1 - far better than the older CD versions. Low bass sounds about right to me, although bass notes in the 25/30hz. range can do funny things in certain systems given the vagaries of low bass peaks and nulls. These versions are anything but 'tinny' to my ears and PGs vocals in particular stand out.

I do agree that some of the mixing choices are curious - particularly the loss of some keyboard chord overlays.

I also like LLDOB the least - I would rate them Trespass, Foxtrot, Cryme, Selling England and then Lamb (but it is also my least favorite of the five albums).

I listened to Foxtrot and Nusery Cryme in 5.1 SACD and it sounded like they applied some noise reduction to remove the "back ground" hiss that's familiar on all the 2ch versions of the discs. I thought they sounded fine and I'm not a big fan of MCH music unless it was originally recorded in MCH or played live with "surround" speakers (Pink Floyd and ELP were the only concerts years ago that did this that I recall). The mixes were done tastefully and I enjoyed them.

larry

(Pink Floyd and ELP were the only concerts years ago that did this that I recall).
larryYes and Genesis both did quad tours. Tales of Topographic Oceans and the Seconds Out tours. I was standing by the back towers in Winterland for both. Both were great shows, but neither were up to (quad) par with PF or ELP.

I guess I'm going to have to spring for an SACD of one of these.

Yes and Genesis both did quad tours. Tales of Topographic Oceans and the Seconds Out tours. I was standing by the back towers in Winterland for both. Both were great shows, but neither were up to (quad) par with PF or ELP.
I saw the Tales tour, but don't remember the speaker config, same for the Relayer tour. Earlier tours weren't. Seconds Out isn't Genesis, is it? :) (I'm being wise ass).

larry

Got the Box Set Yesterday. Nothing short of fabulous. Beats the Definitive remasters hands down. Not a huge fan of Lamb Lies Down but after having seen The Musical Box perform the entire show with the slides it was especially enjoyable to watch them while listening in 96/24 DTS 5:1 in my own listening room. Loved Supper's Ready and really enyoyed revisiting Trespass in SACD mode. Very good mix and use of surrounds the ENTIRE SACD.

Overall, two words........BUY THIS !!

PS...My set is the UK VIRGIN Release.......ENJOY !

I saw the Tales tour, but don't remember the speaker config, same for the Relayer tour. Earlier tours weren't. Seconds Out isn't Genesis, is it? :) (I'm being wise ass).

larryTales definitely was, but as I recall, they only did a few front to back pans, nothing as immersive as PF or ELP. I can't remember the chronology of the Seconds Out tour. It wasn't called that. It didn't feature any new music, but had very interesting heavy fog effects, lasers and quad...at least in SF. I think it was after Wind and Wuthering or may be year after Trick. Whatever, it was probably my favorite Genesis show after LLDOB. Peter Gabriel Genesis was simply astounding and nothing like Bowie.

The Seconds Out album is material from the A Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering tours, so no, it wasn't called "Seconds Out" at the time.

Genesis established something of a pattern with their live albums. This was their second live album, and had the word "seconds" in the name. The third live album (Three Sides Live) has the word "three" in it. Then it gets even more meta. The fourth live set (The Way We Walk) has four words, which is a stretch until you notice that the first one is one word (Live), the second has two words, and the third has three words. Also, the first live was a single LP, the second was two LPs, the third was three LP sides, and the fourth, being released as two doubles (each with a four-word subtitle), was four LP sides total.

Yeah, I have too much free time.

The Seconds Out album is material from the A Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering tours, so no, it wasn't called "Seconds Out" at the time.

Genesis established something of a pattern with their live albums. This was their second live album, and had the word "seconds" in the name. The third live album (Three Sides Live) has the word "three" in it. Then it gets even more meta. The fourth live set (The Way We Walk) has four words, which is a stretch until you notice that the first one is one word (Live), the second has two words, and the third has three words. Also, the first live was a single LP, the second was two LPs, the third was three LP sides, and the fourth, being released as two doubles (each with a four-word subtitle), was four LP sides total.

Yeah, I have too much free time.Yep, but very good knowledge. As I recall, they didn't release new material that year, but toured and released the album at the same time, probably 77 or 78. I sort of dropped out in the 80s after the "Then there were 3" tour...a bit too poppish and I was raising kids at the time. 70's Genesis was seminal prog. I wish Gabriel had stayed a couple of more years, but Collins did yoeman work and eventually became more popular.

...as the only one it seems still holding out for AZN's Dec 23rd shipment, I thought I'd take a moment to say hi to all you bastards who already have their discs, have listened to them tonnes, and are already shelving them....

grrr.... :)

why do I still think this ain't gonna ship on time?

sharkshark,

Keep us updated. I want to see how this turns out. :D

yeah, not sure you've gotta worry about me keeping you guys posted... frankly, despite not knowing any of you personally, I feel you are the onlly guys that give a damn...

pathetic, but true.... :)

This title will be released on January 20, 2009.

This title will be released on January 20, 2009.

That's for the LP set, not the SACD set. Although amazon no longer say SACD in the description of the box set due out on 12/23 :eek:

... and are already shelving them....

grrr.... :)

why do I still think this ain't gonna ship on time?

No 'shelving' here, still in 'heavy rotation' - particularly Trespass and SEBTP.

That's for the LP set, not the SACD set. Although amazon no longer say SACD in the description of the box set due out on 12/23 :eek:

heh, you bastard...:) Just saw that as well...

Ah, we'll see... anybody dealt with AZN's return policies before, he asked, tongue in cheek?

The family was gone this weekend and I got a chance to listen at loud levels. The only SACD i listened to was SEBTP. The extra detail that is displayed by giving Peter the center channel is wonderful. There is so much more to his voice than can be heard in a stereo mix. And phil's subtle work on the drums comes through tenfold. I wasn't doing any critical listening as I was working around the house. But having this mix is worth the money.

heh, you bastard...:) Just saw that as well...

I'll have you know that I knew both of my parents .... I'm actually an a$$hole!

Just listening to Can-Utility .... nice!

Well, after dissing Lamb, I must say that I am enjoying these others. Foxtrot seems to be getting the most play.

That's for the LP set, not the SACD set. Although amazon no longer say SACD in the description of the box set due out on 12/23 :eek:


Your right.

I just ordered the SACD set from AMZ uk. The price is lower than ever right now.

oh, sweet.

"Shipment #1: Not Yet Shipped
Shipping estimate: December 23, 2008
Delivery estimate: December 24, 2008 (http://rover.ebay.com/ar/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?mpt=1297190138&adtype=1&size=1x1&type=3&campid=5336055023&toolid=10001 More about estimates (http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fexec%2Fobidos%2Ftg%2F browse%2F-%2F3043211%2Fpop-up&tag=5336055023-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325))""

and, on the product itself:

"This item has been discontinued by the manufacturer."

Your right.

I just ordered the SACD set from AMZ uk. The price is lower than ever right now.

PM me and let me know which one you chose (there are a couple options...)

Anybody else that finds the SACD version, particularly if there's one in Canada to avoid paying, erm, "extortionate prices" for this particular dreamgirl... PAL, NTSC, whatever at this point...

PM me and let me know which one you chose (there are a couple options...)

Anybody else that finds the SACD version, particularly if there's one in Canada to avoid paying, erm, "extortionate prices" for this particular dreamgirl... PAL, NTSC, whatever at this point...

Genesis - 1970-1975: 1970-1975/+6dvd [SACD] [Box set] [Enhanced] [Hybrid SACD]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00104WHLA

If I had to guess it is going to be NTSC. But PAL is OK for me. I own the first BOX in PAL format.

yeah, that's PAL.

I'm (retardedly) going to give it another month... Seems that the JP release has been super popular, and they may be running another run.

Given that it's at least a $100+ investment, and that with PAL I'd need a region free player long term (see Oppo BD thread for thoughts on that matter) then going NTSC might make more sense longer term, especially at the price my pre-order is locked in at.

Hell, I've got Motown Vol. 11A to work through for a bit...

From one "Phillip Cohen" on AZN...

"Despite what Amazon.com would have you believe, this item has not been discontinued by the manufacturer,though, to date, no internet or mail order dealer in the U.S.A. has been able to supply this to customers. The set is a British-manufactured EMI/Virgin label export edition containing 7 hybrid SACD's & 6 DVD-NTSC discs. It was intended for export to Southeast Asia. The only dealers known to have supplied this set to customers are dealers in Japan.
There have been some people on the internet who have hinted that Warner Music Group(who has the North American rights to the Genesis recordings) has interfered with attempts to import the UK export edition into the U.S.A.
The U.S.A. edition(while priced very low) is no bargain, because Warner Music Group refuses to include the SACD's in their edition.All editions of "Genesis 1970-1975" contain six Genesis albums in new stereo & surround mixes. The UK domestic edition(SACD + DVD-PAL) & the UK export edition(SACD + DVD-NTSC) give you the stereo mixes with better than CD fidelity(on SACD), while the U.S.A. edition gives you the stereo mixes on regular CD's. The Uk editions give you the surround mixes with better than CD sound(on SACD), while the U.S.A. edition gives you the surround mixes in lossy, data-reduced Dolby Digital. It's no wonder why American fans want the UK export edition.
While I'm specially equiped to play British PAL Format DVD's(as in the British domestic edition of "1970-1975"), I'm holding out for the British export edition, to have a matching set of 3, since I bought the two previous boxes("1976-1982" & "1983-1998") via the UK export editions.
Incidentally, don't let anyone claim that the UK export edition of "1970-1975" wasn't released. EMI/UK catalogue director Nigel Reeve has assured me(by e-mail) that both UK-manufactured editions(the SACD + DVD-PAL and the SACD + DVD-NTSC) were released simultaneously on the 11th of November.
The big question here is, for those of us who preordered the UK export edition before Amazon.com stopped accepting pre-orders, does Amazon.com intend to supply the item to us. Amazon.com should let the preorder customers know where we stand, instead of wasting our time.
UPDATE: I canceled my order with Amazon because they can't give a straightforward answer about whether they will or won't ever supply this product."

one source, but it does sound more and more probable that we're being toyed with...

Thanks for the update. I guess when it comes to music rights/sales the so called global economy is not so global anymore and gets bogged down by petty regional politics, and these geniuses wondering why music sales is in the toilet.

yeah, gave up and ordered from AZN.uk... not based on that one post, but just figured it'd give time for me to bitch at AZN.com... :

After dealing with AZN.com customer "support" 4x and never getting what at one point was literally promised to me by a supervisor, I canceled my order and purchased from AZN.uk. While I would have preferred SACD/NTSC, the PAL version from AZN.uk was priced right and finally having a chance to listen to The Lamb this morning made any regrets melt away.

yeah, gave up and ordered from AZN.uk... not based on that one post, but just figured it'd give time for me to bitch at AZN.com... :

After I ordered the set on AZN uk it went down in price 11 pounds on my invoice. Did this happen for you too? This was the tally...

Subtotal: £78.24
Delivery Charge: £3.08
Total: £81.32

CC was charged 120.31 dollars and a 2.41 dollar INTL Service fee. Eric

After I ordered the set on AZN uk it went down in price 11 pounds on my invoice. Did this happen for you too? This was the tally...

Subtotal: £78.24
Delivery Charge: £3.08
Total: £81.32

CC was charged 120.31 dollars and a 2.41 dollar INTL Service fee. Eric

Yeah, that's what I got too, which seemed abnormally low for shipping...

While I was doing the process, it seems it sold out (said when I started 1 copy left...) Now showing mid-Jan shipping, so my wait continues, and, in the mean time, I can see if US can ship me the NTSC version in that time...

The price goes down because the VAT is taken off of international orders.

good call... and, actually, good to know (first time from .co.uk for me)

I was referring to the shipping being abnormally low, however... we'll see.

yeah, gave up and ordered from AZN.uk... not based on that one post, but just figured it'd give time for me to bitch at AZN.com... :

:mad: What? I can believe you caved in. You were my hero. I thought you were going to take Amazon to court and get was rightfully yours...even if it took years and years.

(I've had strange buying experiences with Amazon in the past. Sometimes, they bend over backwards to get me the product I ordered and other times they have no idea what they're selling. (One time I ordered a rare, out-of-print DVD which is worth a lot of money from the Canadian Amazon which I figured they would never get back in stock. To my surprise, after six months they found one and sent it to me at 30% off the list price. On American Amazon, they kept pushing back the availability of a DVD and finally canceled the order because they said the vendor had discontinued the item. One week later, they had the item in stock and I ordered it again and received it.)

Good luck with your new order. I think I can safely say you will be listening to "Trespass" in 2009...or 2010.

again, to be fair, I now have =two= orders from Amazon, one .com, one .co.uk

And, remember, this is after being dropped by .ca, and cancelling from .jp

fun, fun stuff...:)

Was listening to Archives Vol 1 today while doing some boxing day SACD/DVD-A shopping (found Out of Our Heads and Gaucho for cheap-ish), and fondled the Rhino box at HMV for fun and giggles.

Also picked up How the West Was Won and the Stones' Singles collection in the last few weeks... Now, more then ever, I figure I should be grabbing every damn SACD/DVD-A that I want before they dry up completely, even those (Gaucho!) that I only kinda/sorta want.

Curious, what was that OOP DVD?

ps. Anybody find any of the Gabriel SACDs must-haves? I never bothered with the Remasters, as I (shockingly) rarerly listen to solo Gabriel. I've got the SACDs of Passion and Up (5.1, natch), and just recently found Shaking the Tree for giggles... Was only later I heard that the mixes/remastering on STT are inferior to the album tracks due to edited radio versions.

pps. OT even more, Iknow many have a hate on for the Oasis "What's the Story?" mix, but I've got a hankering... PM if you're getting rid of it...