ppps. Just thought of something - yes the UK version is PAL, but is it Region locked, or set to Region 0?

Do me a favour, anyone playing these on a player where they can set the region back and forth easily (ie., Oppo) - set it to Region 1, and see if they'll still play. This might make the decision easier if it's PAL, but Region 0.

I feel weird:

"Greetings from Amazon.co.uk,


We thought you would like to know that the following item has been sent
to:


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using Deutsche Post World Net.


Your order (received December 25,2008)
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Amazon.co.uk items (Sold by Amazon EU S.a.r.L.):


1 Genesis - 1970-1975: 1970-... £78.24 1 £78.24

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Not bad shark, DHL delivered at 78 pounds which is currently about 140 loonies, plus that insane Canada/Ontario GST/PST of 15%....only 160 loonies!

oh, right.... GST....

Good thing I won $300 yesterday at Niagara... Would have had more, but I got cocky against a guy who usually has nothing, and bet lots on trip 8s, he had the weasel straight.

But, I digress...

$21CDN in customs fees later, and I'm looking at a sealed version of the PAL release....

OH MY GOD I FINALLY HAVE IT.

Now, before I even open it, I'm calling AZN.com and ripping them a new one...:)

Glad you're finally in possession of it. :) Post your thoughts after giving some of the discs a quick run-through.

ZOMG.

"Looking for Someone..." just finished... I'm so f-in' happy to have this set... Time for being hypercritical is for later - at the moment, by DefTechs are buzzing with Moog Bass pedal glory, and PG sounds like he's 18 again...

Awesome fun.

Nice to see you finally got it. Everybody else's boxes already have dust on top. :) I think it was worth the wait.

larry

GWA-WAWWAAAAAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWAWAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Just listened to Supper's Ready really REALLY REAAAAALLLY fuking loud.... SIX SIX SIX IS NO LONGER ALONE! screaming from my system, bass pedals errupting from my DefTechs and Velodyne, meltron choir..... Prog freakin' bliss.


Yeah, I'm late to the party, but this shite here be fun stuff.... Compression? Can't tell when it's this loud...:)

Meanwhile, never really listened with lyrics in hand to "Get 'em out..." - that's a much weirder song than I gave it credit....

Was listening to Nursery Crime and thinking, "man, there's a lot more Phil in that mix", and then PG discussed it in the extras!

Yeah, totally, totally worth the wait... It may not be perfection sonically, but the surround mixes are (3 discs in) an assload of fun, and the interviews great (although, someone should be shot for the out-of-focus retardation for the Tony/Mike interviews)

GWA-WAWWAAAAAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWAWAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Just listened to Supper's Ready really REALLY REAAAAALLLY fuking loud.... SIX SIX SIX IS NO LONGER ALONE! screaming from my system, bass pedals errupting from my DefTechs and Velodyne, meltron choir..... Prog freakin' bliss.


Yeah, I'm late to the party, but this shite here be fun stuff.... Compression? Can't tell when it's this loud...:)

Meanwhile, never really listened with lyrics in hand to "Get 'em out..." - that's a much weirder song than I gave it credit....

Was listening to Nursery Crime and thinking, "man, there's a lot more Phil in that mix", and then PG discussed it in the extras!

Yeah, totally, totally worth the wait... It may not be perfection sonically, but the surround mixes are (3 discs in) an assload of fun, and the interviews great (although, someone should be shot for the out-of-focus retardation for the Tony/Mike interviews)


Your not alone dude. I just got my set this week and am digging it. I have always been a Peter Gabriel solo stuff fan and I am now just getting into this older stuff (I have always liked Nursery Crime and Foxtrot but all the others are new to me mostly). I plan on cranking it loud after the football game...enjoy!

GWA-WAWWAAAAAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWAWAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Just listened to Supper's Ready really REALLY REAAAAALLLY fuking loud.... SIX SIX SIX IS NO LONGER ALONE! screaming from my system, bass pedals errupting from my DefTechs and Velodyne, meltron choir..... Prog freakin' bliss.


s)

My favorite part is the video of them doing Suppers ready in convert. Yeah, the audio is in mono, but the pq is not bad and it is awesome watching Phil Colins singing with Peter Gabriel in the beginning and seeing PG wearing the flower and magog.With magog, it sounded like he had the mic inside the mask. Heck, I liked when they did "Musical Box " and peter was wearing the old man mask.
It is great to see Phil with long hair! He was at his best playing drums and giving supporting vocals to Peter. The videos confirm this.

I'm still looking for a SACD NTSC version, first it was too expensive, now I can't find one. Patience is a virtue -repeat until you believe it.

I'm still looking for a SACD NTSC version, first it was too expensive, now I can't find one. Patience is a virtue -repeat until you believe it.

Have you looked into whether your player can actually support PAL?

A lot of players handle it already.

I purchased the UK import versions with PAL discs and they play back just fine on my Denon DVD-2930ci into my Denon AVP-A1HDci.

No adjustments no nothing, they just play like any other NTSC disc does.

Easy question: Are the sets available in standard CD only (non SA-CD hybrid) also? Searching through some listing to buy but they are only listed as CD (not SA-CS) and DVD. Just skimmed through this thread but did not see CD only info. So is there in fact 2 sets available (SA-CD and standard CD only) of each set and if so how do you tell the difference?

Easy question: Are the sets available in standard CD only (non SA-CD hybrid) also? Searching through some listing to buy but they are only listed as CD (not SA-CS) and DVD. Just skimmed through this thread but did not see CD only info. So is there in fact 2 sets available (SA-CD and standard CD only) of each set and if so how do you tell the difference?

Yes. The CD/DVD box set is what Amazon US sent some of us even though we pre-ordered the SACD box set many moons ago when the Amazon listing was "correct" and specified SACD.

larry

I'm still looking for a SACD NTSC version, first it was too expensive, now I can't find one. Patience is a virtue -repeat until you believe it.
Check around. You can find new NTSC/PAL region free DVD players for $50 or less. If they aren't region free, many can be set to be region free quite easily. Search for Phillips DVD players. IIRC, the SACD/PAL set was quite a bit less $$$ than the advertised price of the SACD/NTSC box set. So, you may even save some $$$ even with getting a new DVD player instead of waiting/paying for the NTSC version. :)

larry

Yes. The CD/DVD box set is what Amazon US sent some of us even though we pre-ordered the SACD box set many moons ago when the Amazon listing was "correct" and specified SACD.

larry

This is vary confusing. I went to Amazon and it is offered from other venders a various price points for the 83-98 of $95, $137, $175, $213 and $230 (similar situation on Ebay). Are all of these SA-CD versions and if not how do you tell?

Also trying to find the SA-CD single disc (like Invisible Touch) results is a similar across he board pricing and confusion.

Is there an easy way to find and just buy the SA-CD's (couldn't care less about DVD's) at a reasonable price point?

This is vary confusing. I went to Amazon and it is offered from other venders a various price points for the 83-98 of $95, $137, $175, $213 and $230 (similar situation on Ebay). Are all of these SA-CD versions and if not how do you tell?

Also trying to find the SA-CD single disc (like Invisible Touch) results is a similar across he board pricing and confusion.

Is there an easy way to find and just buy the SA-CD's (couldn't care less about DVD's) at a reasonable price point?

Here is a good place to start. Follow this link, it will have links to Amazon, CDuniverse, etc for the individual titles. Good luck.

http://sa-cd.net/search/genesis

MNSACD

Thank god for the collapse of the British pound (well, only for a purely selfish reason). With the current exchange rate, I managed to snag the 70-75 box set for under 130$ Canadian--delivered (crossing my fingers about import tax/duties--I didn't pay any on the 76-82 boxed set from Germany last year). Considering the nearly 300$ Canadian it appears to cost from a NA source, I think I got a bargain. Looking forward to SEBTP and LLDoB, in particular, in all its MCH glory.

Check around. You can find new NTSC/PAL region free DVD players for $50 or less. If they aren't region free, many can be set to be region free quite easily. Search for Phillips DVD players. IIRC, the SACD/PAL set was quite a bit less $$$ than the advertised price of the SACD/NTSC box set. So, you may even save some $$$ even with getting a new DVD player instead of waiting/paying for the NTSC version. :)

larry

My present DVD player does not support PAL, but I am on the Oppo BD eaarly apoption list - and it does. I was also thinking if I got NTSC it might hold it's resle value (of course I will never sell it so that is totally illogical). Of course if it sounds as bad as 76-82 maybe I will:(

My present DVD player does not support PAL, but I am on the Oppo BD eaarly apoption list - and it does. I was also thinking if I got NTSC it might hold it's resle value (of course I will never sell it so that is totally illogical). Of course if it sounds as bad as 76-82 maybe I will:(
Who's selling the SACD/NTSC set? I didn't see it on Amazon US.


larry

Who's selling the SACD/NTSC set? I didn't see it on Amazon US.


larry

Elusive disk has it on preorder for 229.00 and hmv japan (there site is down right know so I don't know their pre order price).

You can get the PAL version for $117.00 USD + minor shipping cost from Amazon.co.uk. That leaves about $100 for DVD player that can play PAL discs. Piece of cake. Next week or so you could be enjoying it. :) You could even wait till the BDP-83 if you want, but you could still be listening to the discs.

larry

You can get the PAL version for $117.00 USD + minor shipping cost from Amazon.co.uk. That leaves about $100 for DVD player that can play PAL discs. Piece of cake. Next week or so you could be enjoying it. :) You could even wait till the BDP-83 if you want, but you could still be listening to the discs.

larry

no region coding on the PAL discs?

I play the PAL discs in my computer and they play fine (with anydvd).

no region coding on the PAL discs?

They should be region free.

larry

You can get the PAL version for $117.00 USD + minor shipping cost from Amazon.co.uk. That leaves about $100 for DVD player that can play PAL discs. Piece of cake. Next week or so you could be enjoying it. :) You could even wait till the BDP-83 if you want, but you could still be listening to the discs.

larry

OK I give up and will buy the PAL version. Applying the savings towards the OPPO. I am tired of waiting!!

enjoy, and, yeah, provided that the stories about the '83 being PAL compatible but Region locked, these discs will, hypothetically, play nice.

And, yes, I'm talking about Oppo and Region free capabilities. PFFttt...

OK I give up and will buy the PAL version. Applying the savings towards the OPPO. I am tired of waiting!!

Yay!! :)

larry

enjoy, and, yeah, provided that the stories about the '83 being PAL compatible but Region locked, these discs will, hypothetically, play nice.

And, yes, I'm talking about Oppo and Region free capabilities. PFFttt...
IIRC, all Oppos can be made region free, and the '83 should be no different for the SD part. BD is another story.

larry

IIRC, all Oppos can be made region free, and the '83 should be no different for the SD part. BD is another story.

larry

actually it can't be made region free. that's been pretty much flogged to death (to the point of banning conversation) in the 83 anticipation thread.

but it will play PAL, so if the genesis dvds are region free, they will play. that's why i asked about region free a few days ago. this oppo looks like a good player.

IIRC, all Oppos can be made region free, and the '83 should be no different for the SD part. BD is another story.

larry

Pooper, you're late to the party... heh.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1096503&highlight=oppo+rant


And, yeah, "flogging to death..." in a thread that lasted all of FIVE DAYS before it got shut down as being "useless"... That's a microsecond in AVS time usually spent in beating a subject to death, no? :)

Pooper, you're late to the party... heh.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1096503&highlight=oppo+rant


And, yeah, "flogging to death..." in a thread that lasted all of FIVE DAYS before it got shut down as being "useless"... That's a microsecond in AVS time usually spent in beating a subject to death, no? :)Ok, my mistake. I thought it was for BD region, not SD - assuming the player could differentiate. Although if the same chipset is decoding BD and SD then it makes sense. Carry on... :) I use two different players for BD and SD so it doesn't matter to me and thus pay less attention to region stuff on BD threads.

larry

Just got my 83-98 set and the DVD's are NTSC (not that it maters too much). I thought the NTSC's came with CDs and only the PAL's had SA-CD? Can anyone list all the sets that are available? This must be the most confusing sets put out.

Just got my 83-98 set and the DVD's are NTSC (not that it maters too much). I thought the NTSC's came with CDs and only the PAL's had SA-CD? Can anyone list all the sets that are available? This must be the most confusing sets put out.

There are a multitude of versions - well three, AFAIK:

NTSC DVD + CD (North America)
NTSC DVD + SACD (Japan)
PAL DVD + SACD (Europe/UK)

You seem to have acquired the Japanese release.

Again, AFAIK,

shinksma

There are a multitude of versions - well three, AFAIK:

NTSC DVD + CD (North America)
NTSC DVD + SACD (Japan)
PAL DVD + SACD (Europe/UK)

You seem to have acquired the Japanese release.

Again, AFAIK,

shinksma
Thanks,
It seems strange that there is not a single Japanese letter/mark/or any identifier of any kind including even a sticker to be found on the set.:confused:

Thanks,
It seems strange that there is not a single Japanese letter/mark/or any identifier of any kind including even a sticker to be found on the set.:confused:
Where did you place your order?

Where did you place your order?

CD Universe, why do they have access to another NTSC set?

CD Universe, why do they have access to another NTSC set? I don't know. I thought perhaps you ordered from reseller of Japanese releases.

I ordered the PAL version from the UK because of the good exchange rate and because my SD DVD player does PAL (natively to my PJ and converted to NTSC to my small monitor).

Also another thing slightly strange is the discs came in a standard type CD case and not a SA-CD type case. Maybe it's because SA-CD cases aren't available wit a 2 disc flip holder.:confused: Are all of the sets in standard CD cases?

Also another thing slightly strange is the discs came in a standard type CD case and not a SA-CD type case. Maybe it's because SA-CD cases aren't available wit a 2 disc flip holder.:confused: Are all of the sets in standard CD cases?
Yes, as are many others (including about a quarter of my 130 plus collection).

Yes, as are many others (including about a quarter of my 130 plus collection).

I have about 30 to 40 SA-CD's and I believe the Geneses discs are the first I have not to come in a SA-CD case.

Now I would love to have Phil Collins on SA-CD.

I have about 30 to 40 SA-CD's and I believe the Geneses discs are the first I have not to come in a SA-CD case.

Now I would love to have Phil Collins on SA-CD.
At one time, it was contemplated (as were DVD-A releases in North America) but, like so many great plans for MCH audio, it ain't gonna happen. Best you can hope for is a judicious application of Dolby PLII (music mode) or some other matrix system. I've yet to find a satisfactory setting on mine, but I'm hoping my next receiver/pre-pro will have a sufficiently sophisticated system (I've read good things about Logic7 but I've yet to get a chance to really try it out).

Ah well.

As for the regular cases with SACD, my LSO Live releases, some Telarc, most of my Sony/Columbia (jazz and pop), the two Genesis box sets I have (I'll get around to the third one later this year) and some others that escape me at the moment, are in regular cases. I even have one SACD that is in a DVD-A case (Ray Charles duets).

The order is in (SACD with PAL) with Amazon UK, only 109 US including shipping:D!! Now the waiting begins.

My 70-75 box set arrived a few minutes ago (31$ in duties and taxes :( ). "See" y'all next month. ;)

"See" y'all next month. ;)2 weeks, tops. :)

2 weeks, tops. :)You don't have young children, do you.

(haven't started listening yet--getting enough time to listen to one album uninterrupted is a challenge)

Thought you'd find this amusing, just got this email:

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http://rover.ebay.com/ar/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?mpt=1697860370&adtype=1&size=1x1&type=3&campid=5336055023&toolid=10001 http://www.amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com&tag5336055023-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325)I had left the NTSC version in my pre-order list for the hell of it... And now, at long last, the horse has been beaten to death... ;)

ps. Yeah, that =was= the NTSC version of the discs... then, suddenly, became the PAL version, then the Vinyl version. Crazypants, indeed.

Quick observation--MCH SACD version of Supper's Ready--AWESOME!!!!!

Now back to the listening session.

The order is in (SACD with PAL) with Amazon UK, only 109 US including shipping:D!! Now the waiting begins.

Did you ever get this ? Just placed an order w amazon uk as well ($101 shipped). Curious if it ever arrived....

Glad that you like it. I have been quite satisfied with the collection and owe Nick Davis an apology. I'm sure that the sound could be improved on with more range between highs and lows, but these aging ears don't hear low as well as they used to and I'm OK with this release at this time. Needless to say, mileage will vary with other listeners. The only minor bit that still rankles is one of the liner note write-ups to one of the albums where some moron took a gratuitous swipe at Van Der "f'ing" Generator in his lame attempt to prove his superior love for Genesis.

Now I am as much a dedicated fan of the Gabriel-era Genesis as anyone, but there was no call to disrespect VdGG here. There are many imitators of the Genesis sound, including the eerily-similar tribute band Musical Box, but AFAIK there has been only one VdGG with its never duplicated and unique sound. I can only dream of the day that Steven Wilson or someone as talented as him takes on the early VdGG repertoire and remasters this in SACD or DVD-A 5.1 surround sound.

The Musical Box is a tribute band--one that has Genesis' full blessing as they frequently lend them props so they can recreate (in meticulous detail) an historical tour of Genesis. They'll be playing in Montreal very soon doing the Trick of the Tail tour.

....actually, my head took a bit of a spin when during the interview Phil talked about seeing Musical Box and reflecting upon his own drumming back in the day, forlorn that his technique has been allowed to lapse as he stepped in front of the kit.

Between this, and the fabulous behind-the-stage doc on the Live DVD from the last tour, you really get a sense that he's become more open and honest about his (diminishing) drum skills from his peak, and his reflection upon that. It's easy to hyperbolise him as a pop drummer and artist, but difficult to overestimate his playing on the Lamb in particular...He's just simply rediculous on that record, so "tasty"...

But, yeah. Can you imagine sitting beside Phil at a Musical Box show?!

Nice to know they're back, I thought they already had their last show... New singer?

And, yeah, not so much "eerily similar" as "freakishly acurate"... :)

I wonder who pissed on VDerGG... Might have been me... Clearly I should have pissed on, I dunno, Gong? Camel? Utopia?

So...much... prog....

btw, don't think I mentioned this... BBC did a great, multipart doc on the history of various types of music (Dance, Pop, and, yeah, Prog!) Inevitably, during any paltry history of rock, you've got the obligatory shot of the "Emerson... Lake... Palmerl" semi trailers emblazonned with the names of the "prog supergroup" as they ramble towards the Montreal Olympic Stadium. Then you see some noodling by Keith, and smash cut to disgruntled Punks walking the streets of London who play "real" music.

Idiotic and simplified, but so be it.

What's -great- is that in this latest doc, they again use the helicopter shot of the trucks, but keep cutting back to some truly awesomely comical footage of Wakeman in full wizard regalia, playing a lego-brick like construction of polyphonic synthesis bliss, wiggly wiggling in cape and pointy hat.

In the prog doc, Wakeman (like Phil) comes across as self efacing and completely grounded. He's a great interview of late, and has droped much of his pompousness. Well worth checking out, for fans of, you know, music. :)

Did you ever get this ? Just placed an order w amazon uk as well ($101 shipped). Curious if it ever arrived....

Yes, it took a long time but well wall packed and arrived in perfect condition. I'm thrilled with SEBTP I think I've listened to it a dozen times. I am disappointed with TLLDOB, compression or just poorly engineered I don't know. There seems to be little dynamic range. The mix is nice just sounds bad:(

....actually, my head took a bit of a spin when during the interview Phil talked about seeing Musical Box and reflecting upon his own drumming back in the day, forlorn that his technique has been allowed to lapse as he stepped in front of the kit.

Between this, and the fabulous behind-the-stage doc on the Live DVD from the last tour, you really get a sense that he's become more open and honest about his (diminishing) drum skills from his peak, and his reflection upon that. It's easy to hyperbolise him as a pop drummer and artist, but difficult to overestimate his playing on the Lamb in particular...He's just simply rediculous on that record, so "tasty"...

But, yeah. Can you imagine sitting beside Phil at a Musical Box show?!

:)In large part, though, such a decline has been self-imposed. To maintain his level of playing as high as it was would demand a level of dedication to continual playing that he has not shown. This is not a criticism, but rather an observation about "you can't have it all". He has made his choices and reached a far wider audience, in my opinion, than if he'd focused on being "the world's best drummer" (however one wants to define that). I don't think it would be beyond his ability to recapture that level of proficiency, but it doesn't appear that he has the ambition to do so. However, IF the ever-elusive full reunion were to come to pass, I think he'd go to great lengths to recapture as much as he could (he's even sat in with one tribute band for a piece, if I recall correctly, so he might even sit down with the Musical Box drummer for some rehearsing IF a full-reunion event ever happened).

As for The Musical Box--if I recall correctly from their website, they have two singers on this tour. I've never seen them (and I'm not in town when they come by this time around, so I'll still miss them), so I don't know if this is new for them (two singers).

For fans of Phil's drumming try Brand X. His drumming is unreal!! Hope that is not too off topic;).

For fans of Phil's drumming try Brand X. His drumming is unreal!! Hope that is not too off topic;).
Been meaning to pick up those albums for ages. Just ordered the first one (if I like it, I'll get some more).

The Musical Box is a tribute band--one that has Genesis' full blessing as they frequently lend them props so they can recreate (in meticulous detail) an historical tour of Genesis. They'll be playing in Montreal very soon doing the Trick of the Tail tour.

Not to stray too far from the topic, but it was only after I saw The Musical Box perform TLLDOB that I began to appreciate how much Collins contributed to the singing on that album. Until then I had recognized his superb skills as a drummer but dismissed his singing as an excuse to skip, for example, the track More Fool Me on SEBTP. With the multichannel SACDs I can more clearly hear his supporting vocals, which nicely compliment Gabriel's brilliant vocalizing. Great stuff!

Not to stray too far from the topic, but it was only after I saw The Musical Box perform TLLDOB that I began to appreciate how much Collins contributed to the singing on that album. Until then I had recognized his superb skills as a drummer but dismissed his singing as an excuse to skip, for example, the track More Fool Me on SEBTP. With the multichannel SACDs I can more clearly hear his supporting vocals, which nicely compliment Gabriel's brilliant vocalizing. Great stuff!
Do you mean you'd never heard More Fool Me before seeing The Musical Box perform or that you didn't like it the first time you'd heard it. There's some great "jangly" guitar stuff on that track that I've always liked (and it stands out in MCH SACD quite nicely). Anyway, back to the boxed set.

and, yeah, Brand X ain't off topic by any means... A bit noodly, to be sure, but some decent stuff there...

Certainly it comes across that he realizes he's made a Faustian bargain in becoming the singer as opposed to the drummer, but the fact that he's willing to entertain that regret publically is refreshing. I don't hear, for example, Stevie Wonder begging forgiveness for the 1980s.

Still, I don't want to drag this too far... my point is simply that the interviews, as always are frank and enjoyable.

huh. The MB is playing Moncton and not Toronto. Meh.

"On July 21, 2008, the band's official web site was updated to confirm that a "Trick of the Tail" tour, based upon the tours first performed in 1976, was happening. On September 16, 2008 it was announced that the role of Phil Collins will be played by Denis Gagné (as a singer) as well as Marc Laflamme (as a drummer). Gregg Bendian (who played the role of Collins on their recent tours) will now be playing the part of Bill Bruford on drums. The rest of the band remains the same. The site states that the band worked hard with Genesis and others involved with the original 1976 production to recreate the show as much as possible. The band started the tour in Europe on the 27th of September 2008, playing a total of 27 shows. It is the first time that they have performed music from after the Peter Gabriel era."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Musical_Box_(band)

awesome. so, so nerdy. :)

Then there's this tidbit:
"In addition the band was granted full access to the original album master tapes so they could correctly reproduce the sound live on stage, even though Genesis themselves did not do this."

sweet.

The Lamb in MCH--great stuff. More to go.

Yes, it took a long time but well wall packed and arrived in perfect condition. I'm thrilled with SEBTP I think I've listened to it a dozen times. I am disappointed with TLLDOB, compression or just poorly engineered I don't know. There seems to be little dynamic range. The mix is nice just sounds bad:(

Finally found this Genesis discussion..after much delay and frustration from Elusive Disc (not there fault as the said no SACD's of the Peter G.stuff was beeing sent to USA.

I have found a great source in Japan. to purchase each album separatly, they are expensive...$67.00 for LLDOB..however they come with the orig. full fold out cardboard and liner notes...just like the orig. album in 1975.

Bill W. If the LLDOB does not sound good...can't wait to hear the others. I thought the clarity and depth was amazing..the LFE rattled the house! I'll admit, the rear channels are not in play as much as others..ie Trick of the Tail...however the emotion I feel listening to this is uncomrehendable..especially for my wife :)

Martin

Did you ever get this ? Just placed an order w amazon uk as well ($101 shipped). Curious if it ever arrived....

I received an email today stating my order has been dispatched with April 1st as an estimated shipping date. I had a price similar to this one, $108 shipped. It does not seem like they are taking any more orders for this now......seems like a good deal to me even though It's PAL, NTSC seems hard to come by and much more money as well..

Actually, It's April delivery date via via Deutsche Post World Net (whatever that is), so even better

I received an email today stating my order has been dispatched with April 1st as an estimated shipping date. I had a price similar to this one, $108 shipped. It does not seem like they are taking any more orders for this now......seems like a good deal to me even though It's PAL, NTSC seems hard to come by and much more money as well..

Actually, It's April delivery date via via Deutsche Post World Net (whatever that is), so even better

Mine just showed up yesterday. Took about 10 days or so to get here (East Coast). Think we both paid a reasonable price for this set compared to some of the other prices I've seen.

ah, the blessed collapse of the British pound...:)

enjoying the discs?

ah, the blessed collapse of the British pound...:)

enjoying the discs?

Absolutely. Only have been able to give them a quick perusal (will spend more time with them over the weekend). I've bought all the recent SACD's, and (at least initially) am most impressed with this set out of the 3.

Would be nice if we could get a final set of the live albums in SACD, but I really doubt it. I still give my vinyl Seconds Out discs a spin once in a while.....

Absolutely. Only have been able to give them a quick perusal (will spend more time with them over the weekend). I've bought all the recent SACD's, and (at least initially) am most impressed with this set out of the 3.

Would be nice if we could get a final set of the live albums in SACD, but I really doubt it. I still give my vinyl Seconds Out discs a spin once in a while.....

You will very pleased to know that the live albums are being worked on right now by Nick Davis for 5.1 surround. He is mostly done with all the live albums except for "Live" as the multi-tracks cannot be located as of yet. No release date set yet.

http://www.genesis-music.com/members/community/mboard/index.php?topic=22290.0


MNSACD

You will very pleased to know that the live albums are being worked on right now by Nick Davis for 5.1 surround. He is mostly done with all the live albums except for "Live" as the multi-tracks cannot be located as of yet. No release date set yet.

http://www.genesis-music.com/members/community/mboard/index.php?topic=22290.0


MNSACD

Where do I place my pre-order?! :-)

You will very pleased to know that the live albums are being worked on right now by Nick Davis for 5.1 surround. He is mostly done with all the live albums except for "Live" as the multi-tracks cannot be located as of yet. No release date set yet.

http://www.genesis-music.com/members/community/mboard/index.php?topic=22290.0


MNSACD

It would be beyond wonderful if the updated "Live" included Supper's Ready; along with Peter's Old Michael intro (as well as the story that preceded Get'em Out by Friday).

While I am at it, perhaps I'll wish for the moon. :p

oh, that is happy news indeed... hadn't heard that yet (lot's clamouring for it, but never thought it'd happen...)

It would be beyond wonderful if the updated "Live" included Supper's Ready; along with Peter's Old Michael intro (as well as the story that preceded Get'em Out by Friday).

Agreed, although my own personal priority for an 'extras' disc would be that handful of songs that were played live but have never been released oficially (including a PG version of Cinema Show).

Here is the latest from Nick Davis.....they found the "Live" multi-tracks.

"good news!!- we have found the 'live' multi-tracks.
so will be mixing this at the end of april.
very happy."



MNSACD

Excellent news indeed.

Agreed, although my own personal priority for an 'extras' disc would be that handful of songs that were played live but have never been released oficially (including a PG version of Cinema Show).

I can't argue with that. The live version of Epping Forest from the Rainbow show also comes to mind.

Absolutely. Only have been able to give them a quick perusal (will spend more time with them over the weekend).

Have my own little quest in pointing this one out. Perusal actually means to look over something carefully. For some reason it's always used in a sentence meaning the opposite.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/perusal

Man, for all the bad grammar on this site, I wouldn't blame you for setting me to ignore on this one. ^_^;

Have my own little quest in pointing this one out. Perusal actually means to look over something carefully. For some reason it's always used in a sentence meaning the opposite.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/perusal

Man, for all the bad grammar on this site, I wouldn't blame you for setting me to ignore on this one. ^_^;


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/perusal

1 a: to examine or consider with attention and in detail : study b: to look over or through in a casual or cursory manner

I can't argue with that. The live version of Epping Forest from the Rainbow show also comes to mind.

YES!!!! My own personal Genesis holy grail has long been the release of a FULL version of the Rainbow '73 show. We got a big chunk of it on the first Archive set, but notable omissions are CS and EF. Not sure why - perhaps a view by the band that the recording/performance quality not up to scratch? Also would love the proper encores from the Lamb show!

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/perusal

1 a: to examine or consider with attention and in detail : study b: to look over or through in a casual or cursory manner

Gotta love the English language. Two definitions which mean pretty much the opposite of each other.

Gotta love the English language. Two definitions which mean pretty much the opposite of each other.

Are you saying we live in a Land of Confusion? :D

It would be beyond wonderful if the updated "Live" included Supper's Ready; along with Peter's Old Michael intro (as well as the story that preceded Get'em Out by Friday).

While I am at it, perhaps I'll wish for the moon. :p

If recent hints on the Genesis site prove accurate, you may get your moon after all. Cryptic comments from Nick Davis suggest the live set may include a full version of the legendary Rainbow '73 show (my personal 'holy grail' live recording) as well as selected tracks from the almost equally legendary Shrine '75 Lamb show (which appeared as a not-quite-full show on Archive 1) - all in glorious 5.1 (although not confirmed if SACD or DTS 24/96).

WOW!!!

If recent hints on the Genesis site prove accurate, you may get your moon after all. Cryptic comments from Nick Davis suggest the live set may include a full version of the legendary Rainbow '73 show (my personal 'holy grail' live recording) as well as selected tracks from the almost equally legendary Shrine '75 Lamb show (which appeared as a not-quite-full show on Archive 1) - all in glorious 5.1 (although not confirmed if SACD or DTS 24/96).

WOW!!!

I just saw Nick's cryptic message.........funny. I hope they also have some additional tracks from the Wind and Wuthering and Trick of The Tail tours that did not make Seconds Out. It sounds like the release will be sometime this year from another post I saw from the site admin......the big question is will they be SACD? I hope so.

MNSACD

I just saw Nick's cryptic message.........funny. I hope they also have some additional tracks from the Wind and Wuthering and Trick of The Tail tours that did not make Seconds Out. It sounds like the release will be sometime this year from another post I saw from the site admin......the big question is will they be SACD? I hope so. MNSACD

News section on the site suggests TWO live sets released later THIS year - don't know yet what the distinction will be nor whether SACD or not (hopefully yes).

Agree with you on W&W/TotT. It would be nice to get things like 11 th Earl, Mouse's Night and Inside/Out.

Looking most promising though!

If recent hints on the Genesis site prove accurate, you may get your moon after all. Cryptic comments from Nick Davis suggest the live set may include a full version of the legendary Rainbow '73 show (my personal 'holy grail' live recording) as well as selected tracks from the almost equally legendary Shrine '75 Lamb show (which appeared as a not-quite-full show on Archive 1) - all in glorious 5.1 (although not confirmed if SACD or DTS 24/96).

WOW!!!

For me, the key improvements would be Pete's original voice only and a live it. A cherry on top would be the live slideshow they had on the tour while you're listening to the show. :)

When he redoes Seconds Out, hopefully he mixes Steve back up. :)

For me, the key improvements would be Pete's original voice only and a live it. A cherry on top would be the live slideshow they had on the tour while you're listening to the show. :)

When he redoes Seconds Out, hopefully he mixes Steve back up. :)

I think we will get the over-dubs again (although they never really bothered me). Perhaps a live IT as other multi-tracks have been found in recent years apparently.

Nick Davis was asked about Steve's guitar in SO and stated that Steve has approved the new mix - whatever that ends up meaning?

First sign of the live box.... Sept 14....but no mention of SACD :mad:

We shall wait and see....

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail.asp?site=mail%250Amagart&SKU=3610073


MNSACD

I thought I got lucky the other day when I found the "1970-1975 Box Set" SACD + NTSC on amazon.ca for $120 plus shipping.

I jumped on it, with expected delivery of June 8 - 12.

Got the email today that my cc has been refunded,

"Reason for refund: Item out of stock"

Bummer.

Nick Davis has just confirmed on the Genesis forums that the new Genesis Live 1972-2007 Boxset will not have SACD.......just CD and DVD. Also, not all of the albums will be available in 5.1 but he did not confirm which ones. Major bummer for me. :(:mad:

MNSACD

meh... that in the "pay for use" forums?

idiotic. ah, well... I'll still probably buy it...sigh. :)

Nick Davis has just confirmed on the Genesis forums that the new Genesis Live 1972-2007 Boxset will not have SACD.......just CD and DVD. Also, not all of the albums will be available in 5.1 but he did not confirm which ones. Major bummer for me. :(:mad: MNSACD

Lack of SACD is not really all that surprising given the state of the format. Significant portions of the set lacking 5.1 would be most surprising.

I thought I got lucky the other day when I found the "1970-1975 Box Set" SACD + NTSC on amazon.ca for $120 plus shipping.

I jumped on it, with expected delivery of June 8 - 12.

Got the email today that my cc has been refunded,

"Reason for refund: Item out of stock"

Bummer.

Likely a mistake and it was either the PAL set or standard CD/DVD set that was mislisted. At this point, that would have been a great deal. I did manage to buy the SACD/PAL DVD and CD/NTSC DVD sets for a combined $175 recently. A roundabout way to get what I wanted.

Chris

Hey All,
Is it just me or is the Lamb the weakest link in this box set? It is a shame because I think the Lamb is one of the greatest Rock albums of all time. It seems to me that the best re-mixes are the Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot. It just sounds like the Lamb mix is all over the place?

If "Seconds Out" isn't remastered multichannel then I'll feel like a lifelong love affair has run its course. I'm down with Peter Gabriel, and down with Phil Collins, but to me the heart of Genesis roared on "SO".

Hey All,
Is it just me or is the Lamb the weakest link in this box set? It is a shame because I think the Lamb is one of the greatest Rock albums of all time. It seems to me that the best re-mixes are the Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot. It just sounds like the Lamb mix is all over the place?

It's funny, I thought that too when I first started listening to the set, but I changed my mind over time. Keep in mind, also, that the Lamb was the first of all the remasted albums to be mixed into 5.1 - so perhaps there was some learning curve for Nick Davis.

Hey All,
Is it just me or is the Lamb the weakest link in this box set? It is a shame because I think the Lamb is one of the greatest Rock albums of all time. It seems to me that the best re-mixes are the Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot. It just sounds like the Lamb mix is all over the place?

I tend to agree. However I haven't listened to these discs a lot yet, but my first impression is that most of the discs are pretty good. I bought Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering and thought they were much too bright and haven't listened to them a 2nd time. I don't think Lamb is terrible, but a bit harsh particularly in the vocals at times.

If "Seconds Out" isn't remastered multichannel then I'll feel like a lifelong love affair has run its course. I'm down with Peter Gabriel, and down with Phil Collins, but to me the heart of Genesis roared on "SO".

Seconds Out will apparently be remixed/remastered into 5.1 along with Genesis Live and Rainbow '73, although in DTS 24/96 not SACD. Three Sides Live (really 4 sides) and The Way We Walk have all been remixed and remastered, but only in 2.0 - although improved sound quality on 3SL and a reordered/supplemented TWWW will be nice too.

All apparently arriving Sept. 14th!

Is there a reason why Three Sides... and TWWW are 2.0 only? I know the latter is available as a concert DVD in 5.1, so perhaps they wish to avoid redundancy. Are we to infer that Three Sides... is also getting a video release (I used to have it on VHS ages ago--tape busted and no replacement was found) in 5.1?

Is there a reason why Three Sides... and TWWW are 2.0 only? I know the latter is available as a concert DVD in 5.1, so perhaps they wish to avoid redundancy. Are we to infer that Three Sides... is also getting a video release (I used to have it on VHS ages ago--tape busted and no replacement was found) in 5.1?

Well, from what I can infer from the various discussions on the Genesis forum:

1. Live over Europe was going to be in the set originally, but since it was no different than the version the band released last year, fan objections caused them to remove it from the set and just leave an empty slot.
2. TWWW has been remixed and reordered (and I believe a few additional tracks added) but will only appear as 2 channel.
3. 3SL has been remixed/remastered but will only appear as 2 channel.
4. There is the suggestion there will be a second live box set of videos. Presumably this will include the 5.1 versions of TSL, TWWW, Wembley, etc. No details, or even official confirmation, yet.

Live set is now slated for release in Europe on Sept. 14th and in the USA on Sept 30th. Apporx 60% of the set is in surround.

I live in NYC and recently ordered the 70-75 box set from Amazon UK with SACD and PAL DVD's .. it only cost me about $120 shipped. The SACD's sound amazing and with the new OPPO BD83 the videos play perfectly as well. Highly recommended.

...anybody snag the live release yet?

...anybody snag the live release yet?

Reports from the UK front are most encouraging. I've always preferred live-Genesis over studio-Genesis, so I think this is the set I'm most looking forward to. Now that there is no SACD confusion for Amazon, I thinking I'll have the box by late next week.

I also note there is a Genesis 'Movie box' for pre-order, wich rumor has it is the mid-November release of the video set.

better be good, mine just shipped from AZN. Caved on finding it cheaper than the US site, it's a good $30USD cheaper there than here. Meh.

Ca1ore, any further thoughts on yours?

It is good btw.

Ca1ore, any further thoughts on yours?

Yes, I've had it in heavy rotation for the past week and I'm very impressed. I was not so bothered by compression in the studio sets (although my listening was exclusively to the 5.1 versions which rumor had it were less problematic) and found them a big step up. I feel the same way with this live set. It is too bad Three Sides Live is not in 5.1, but if that is remedied in the movie box then so be it.

It is hard to believe much more could have been squeezed out of, what in some cases, are 35 year old multi-track tapes. Interestingly, I hear a few minor peformance flubs that I do not recall hearing before - this speaks either to better clarity in the mix or less overdubs, not sure.

There are, unfortunatley, a couple of tracking errors on the 2-channel Rhino versions of Seconds Out. Not on the EMi set however. These are pretty minor, and are not on the 5.1 version.

Overall, highly recommended.

There are, unfortunatley, a couple of tracking errors on the 2-channel Rhino versions of Seconds Out. Not on the EMi set however. These are pretty minor, and are not on the 5.1 version.

Hrm... Got a link speaking of this? I of course ordered the Rhino (it's a crapload cheaper)...

*****

Ah, crap... Just read about the errors on AZN... How the hell didn't I see that before... Ordering from the US, this is going to be a pain to return. Crap crap crap crap. Crap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seconds_Out

"*It has been reported that the US (Rhino Records) CD edition of the 2009 remastered "Seconds Out" has two minor glitches. At the end of the song Squonk on CD 1, the beginning of Carpet Crawlers can be heard. Then the track changes and the beginning of the song is heard again. The same thing occurs on CD 2 between Supper's Ready and Cinema Show. No such reports have surfaced regarding the UK (EMI) version."

Ah, crap... Just read about the errors on AZN... How the hell didn't I see that before... Ordering from the US, this is going to be a pain to return. Crap crap crap crap. Crap.

I'm not going to bother to return mine, and hope that Rhino makes good on a couple of replacement discs. I'm certainly not an expert, but since the EMI version does not have this problem presumably it was some kind of stamping/replication error.

I'm listening exclusively to the 5.1 version so, for now, not willing to drop the extra $40 for the EMI set.

Hrm... Got a link speaking of this? I of course ordered the Rhino (it's a crapload cheaper)...

*****

Ah, crap... Just read about the errors on AZN... How the hell didn't I see that before... Ordering from the US, this is going to be a pain to return. Crap crap crap crap. Crap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seconds_Out

"*It has been reported that the US (Rhino Records) CD edition of the 2009 remastered "Seconds Out" has two minor glitches. At the end of the song Squonk on CD 1, the beginning of Carpet Crawlers can be heard. Then the track changes and the beginning of the song is heard again. The same thing occurs on CD 2 between Supper's Ready and Cinema Show. No such reports have surfaced regarding the UK (EMI) version."


If you go to the Genesis forum site you will see that management has been made aware of the glitch and has spoken to Rhino. They have a phone number to call and e-mail at Rhino. They will be producing a fixed set of SO discs and will replace the defects. Dont know all the details yet but it's a start.

MNSACD

Ah, crap... Just read about the errors on AZN... How the hell didn't I see that before... Ordering from the US, this is going to be a pain to return. Crap crap crap crap. Crap.

Curiously, it does seem that not all the Rhino versions are affected - perhaps just the early run? Anecdotal reports on the Genesis website claim recent sets are fine, so perhaps you will be OK with yours.

My apologies if this has been addressed before, but are there any plans to release the individual live discs? I am only interested in the Gabriel period.

Supper's Ready sounds amazing in 5.1! The Foxtrot album in SACD is one of my favorite albums that I own.

My apologies if this has been addressed before, but are there any plans to release the individual live discs? I am only interested in the Gabriel period.

I'd expect to eventually see the regular live albums as individuals, but probably not the extras discs.

The Foxtrot album in SACD is one of my favorite albums that I own.Yeah, I'm pretty fond of the new, 5.1 Foxtrot, myself. Probably my favorite of that box, too.

got my discs today - haven't given a listen yet (waiting to do it in one sitting per disc), but can confirm that my Seconds Out barfs the same was as described. Rhino version shipped from AZN, for what it's worth...

BTW, these links to the Genesis forum, is this the paid one? You guys get access any way other than paying $30/year (ie, for buying all the damn SACDs? :) )

got my discs today - haven't given a listen yet (waiting to do it in one sitting per disc), but can confirm that my Seconds Out barfs the same was as described. Rhino version shipped from AZN, for what it's worth...

BTW, these links to the Genesis forum, is this the paid one? You guys get access any way other than paying $30/year (ie, for buying all the damn SACDs? :) )

I hate to be the bringer of bad news but these Live CDs sound horrible:(

I hate to be the bringer of bad news but these Live CDs sound horrible:(

Well that hasnt been the consensus at all..........even on the Hoffman Forums! I listened to SO and 3SL last week and thought they were pretty decent.

MNSACD

Have you listned to SO in 5.1? The mix makes no sense at all. Chester Thompsons Drums come from the rear speakers? I cant get through a single tune with out turning it off. Terrible!

Have you listned to SO in 5.1? The mix makes no sense at all. Chester Thompsons Drums come from the rear speakers? I cant get through a single tune with out turning it off. Terrible!

I don't agree that the live discs sound terrible, nor do I find the drums to come disporportionately from the rear. Perhaps you need to check your settings? I've listened to the DTS 5.1 tracks and like them a lot.

Well everybody is entitled to their own opinions. My system has been calibrated several times using a Audysse mic. I have an all Paradigm Studio v.5 setup. What system are you listening to these on? Anyway you have to admit that Hackettes guitar solos are mixed way down on this disc.

Well everybody is entitled to their own opinions. My system has been calibrated several times using a Audysse mic. I have an all Paradigm Studio v.5 setup. What system are you listening to these on? Anyway you have to admit that Hackettes guitar solos are mixed way down on this disc.

Steve Hackett always seems to get short-changed, I agree, although I'd have to do a more careful comparison with the older SO mix to determine whether he is mixed lower this time around.

The reason I asked about settings was because it has been my experience that people tend to set their surround speakers far to high. I use a SPL meter to set all speaker positions - I have no experience with the 'Audysee' mic, but presumably it does something similar - and use my Meridian 861 processor to set proper speaker distances.

If you've done all that properly, then, as you rightly observe, it may simply be about personal preferences.

I am quite familiar with the Paradigm speakers you have and they are very nice - was certainly not 'picking on' your system. I myself use Genesis 201s as my main right and left, a modified Genesis 501 as a center, and Bohlender-Graebner Radia 520i speakers at five surround positions.

Steve Hackett always seems to get short-changed, I agree, although I'd have to do a more careful comparison with the older SO mix to determine whether he is mixed lower this time around.

The reason I asked about settings was because it has been my experience that people tend to set their surround speakers far to high. I use a SPL meter to set all speaker positions - I have no experience with the 'Audysee' mic, but presumably it does something similar - and use my Meridian 861 processor to set proper speaker distances.

If you've done all that properly, then, as you rightly observe, it may simply be about personal preferences.

I am quite familiar with the Paradigm speakers you have and they are very nice - was certainly not 'picking on' your system. I myself use Genesis 201s as my main right and left, a modified Genesis 501 as a center, and Bohlender-Graebner Radia 520i speakers at five surround positions.

Hello,
I did not think you were picking on my system:D: I guess when it comes down to it the original mix on SO was not that great to begin with. In those days I was more in tune with the content and not the sound. Today obviously the content is important but now I am much more into the sound. I do like what Nick Davis did with the 1970-74 Box Set. Hackett is definately out in the mix on those mixes!

My apologies if this has been addressed before, but are there any plans to release the individual live discs? I am only interested in the Gabriel period.
I got a prerelease email from HMV in Japan for the individual discs.

I got a prerelease email from HMV in Japan for the individual discs.

Yes, but I think it may just be for the CDs and not include the 5.1 DVD mixes?

Weird. Amazon has the three CD+DVD studio-album box sets on for ridiculously low prices. Clearing out old stock or just a pricing error (done three times)?

shinksma

typical...:)

I just got from AZN my copy of Live in Europe (it shipped later than the box) - slides right in... Seems, well, weird to get this set in bits and pieces.

Listening to the two live records, gotta say they fit well within expectations. Given the vagaries of live source material I'm not entirely convinced that an SACD upgrade would have yielded much more, but who's to say...

I would have liked 5.1 of the =full= Lamb concert from Archives 1, but, well, yeah...

Weird. Amazon has the three CD+DVD studio-album box sets on for ridiculously low prices. Clearing out old stock or just a pricing error (done three times)?

Damn! And I have a SACD+NTSC DVD of "Calling All Stations" coming in from Hong Kong.

I placed an order for 2 of the boxsets (already have one of them as SACD+DVDs) and it was under $28.00 shipped. I suppose I will still get the SACDs though.

Just ordered the 83-98 set (I have the other two on SACD). Having compared the SACD to the DVD DTS 96/24 tracks, on my system, the difference is subtle enough to warrant the compromise at 14$ for the boxset.

uh, holy crap...

I didn't realize how low the price went!


Obviously a pricing error that they'll correct before shipping... But, ordered the three for the hell for a friend... At least I'll be able to bitch to them and get a gift certificate out of it...:)

I already have the 70-75 and 76-82 box sets (one as SACDs, one as DVDs), so I ordered the 83-98 box, which I had been reluctant to purchase as that is my least favorite Genesis era. But for that price, I finally snapped.

I had been monitoring it ever since it came out (via saving in my Cart), mostly toggling between $99.99 and $89.99 (IIRC), waiting for it to dip (even $70 might have made me bite). So seeing that extremely low price show up when I checked my Cart was a pleasant surprise (while also raising suspicions). If Amazon tries to back out, well, oh well.

If anyone I knew cared about MCH music and also liked prog rock and lived nearby, I'd pick the trio up as a gift/bribe, but that isn't the case.

shinksma

well, retail price has gone back up, so we'll see how long this lasts...:)

There might be more hope this time as the set has been out for a while and it was a small window of opportunity (much like the occasional deals on Blu-ray that last a few hours from which I've profited on occasion).

Weird. Amazon has the three CD+DVD studio-album box sets on for ridiculously low prices. Clearing out old stock or just a pricing error (done three times)?

I held out on these boxes as long as I could, but for $13.99 I had to pick up the first two. Chronologically, that is; the Gabriel era and the "middle" era.

Amazon did not correct the pricing error before shipment! I ordered last Friday, and got them yesterday for $13.99 each.

So far, I've only listened to the Duke CD, but already I've noticed a number of instances where the compression removed much of the dynamics and subtlety. That beautiful harpsichord lick in "Heathaze" which is so quiet, almost a ghostly line, is now up front. The many instances where Tony plays the same thing on more than one keyboard but has one louder than the other, well now you get to hear them both at the same volume. The countermelodies that are supposed to be low in the mix are now up front. And so on.

On the one hand, it's great hearing a number of things I did not hear before. But the whole concept of some instruments being louder than others as an artistic decision seems lost here. Everything is pushed to ten.

I'm looking forward to checking out the 5.1 mixes, and especially the video extras, but I was primarily interested in the regular 2.0 CDs because that's what I listen to most of the time. If I'd paid $120 each for these boxes, I'd be disappointed, maybe even angry, but for $14 each, what the heck. A good deal for the extras, at least.

I just got an email from Amazon saying they were sending me the box set SOONER than their original estimate and no mention of changing the price.

ditto... :)

Have spun Duke three times altogether now, and have a few more observations.

I don't know how I missed this the first time, but tracks that are supposed to segue don't for me on the player I use most often, the one in my car. This is big minus. Instead of "Behind the Lines" flowing directly into "Duchess" and likewise into "Guide Vocal", there is a slight pause between tracks. This is on my car CD player, which otherwise has never had trouble reading anything from store-bought CDs to CD-Rs full of .mp3s. It may not do this on my home player, but I was really, really surprised that it did this in my car.

There are some parts that aren't pushed to 10. The descant vocal in "Man of our Times" ("and in the beating of your heart, there is another beating heart") actually seems a bit quieter than I remember. There were a few other things I noticed, but I can't think of them right now. But it was my chief complaint before, and I wanted to note that it's not universally true.

The sound itself is incredibly crisp and clear. "Duke's Travels" is amazing. It was really a treat cranking this one up. The Moog pedals in "Duchess" and elsewhere were thick and full, but clear, not muddy like on the original CD. "Man of Our Times", "Cul-De-Sac" and other rocking songs sounded great as well.

Overall, it is a sonic improvement. And since not everything is louder as I'd first thought -- there are numerous licks which were quite obviously not pushed to full volume -- what we really have is just a new mix and cleaned-up sound. A new mix is not automatically bad, and it's not automatically good; it's just different. After listening to it for a few days and letting my ears adjust a bit, I'd say I like the sound overall. Sadly, this disc won't get much play, though. The tracking issue is a dealbreaker.

dude, forget 2ch, and whip out the 5.1 already...

I received my 83-98 box today. So it seems Amazon really did mean it this time with the pricing. Weird.

No time to listen to it tonight, and not really in the mood for "poppy" Genesis right now anyway. Perhaps on the weekend...

But for folks like Orbert who are not happy with the compression/limiting/whatever of the 2-CH mixes: how do you feel about the MCH mix? Do you feel the same, or does the additional space make for a better result? This issue has been discussed ad nauseum previously, but I thought I'd see what the new "fresh" perspective had to say...

shinksma

Hopefully I'll get a chance this weekend to spin some of the 5.1 discs. During the week, I only get a few hours a day free time, after the kids are in bed. And that, unfortunately, is not a good time to give the 5.1's a proper audition.

Yeah, I know there were plenty of posts when they first came out, so I'm pretty late to the party. But I figured if I was going to post in this thread to say I'd picked up one or more of the boxes, I might as well give my impression of what I've heard.

Am I the only one or has anyone else noticed that there are a few "missing" guitar licks on Misunderstanding in the new versions? It is the only case where I find the new mix inferior to the original (though it is a relative thing--it's not like I skip the song because of it).

Yeah, I know there were plenty of posts when they first came out, so I'm pretty late to the party. But I figured if I was going to post in this thread to say I'd picked up one or more of the boxes, I might as well give my impression of what I've heard.

Don't get me wrong - I encourage you to post your thoughts. Some fresh perspective is always welcome. I've only listened to the MCH mixes of the first two eras so far, and didn't find it to be as severe as the impression I got from the previous discussions, which may have been centered around the 2-ch mixes, but maybe I'm just more tolerant of the compression artifacts.

shinksma

So I've listened to "Genesis" and "Invisible Touch" from the 83-98 box set tonight (tonight, tonight, ahh ohhh). ;)

Maybe it's because they are 80's albums, but the DTS MCH mix doesn't seem overly compressed. Might be they were more compressed originally, or that I heard the songs so much way-back-when on FM radio (where some compression gets done by the station in transmission), and I think I only ever had them on vinyl, not CD (until now).

I did experience a few audio drop-outs while listening to Genesis (the DTS 96/24 tracks), using my Oppo 970 into an Onkyo 606 receiver bitstreamed via HDMI. I originally did not notice any of that on Invisible Touch, but I just replayed The Brazilian and got a drop-out (dunno why but I like that song the most from the album). I need to repeat with Genesis to see if it is a repeatable glitch, and if so, how to isolate it. The disks looks fine, visually.

If anyone has a hint or two, feel free to reply or PM, otherwise I won't pester this thread.

shinksma

My boxed set, according to Amazon, shipped earlier today at the low price. Just fyi.

Got it last night. Will tackle some MCH listening in the next couple of days. Looking forward to Home By the Sea/Second Home by the Sea in MCH.

I did experience a few audio drop-outs while listening to Genesis (the DTS 96/24 tracks), using my Oppo 970 into an Onkyo 606 receiver bitstreamed via HDMI. I originally did not notice any of that on Invisible Touch, but I just replayed The Brazilian and got a drop-out (dunno why but I like that song the most from the album). I need to repeat with Genesis to see if it is a repeatable glitch, and if so, how to isolate it. The disks looks fine, visually.

I suspect you will have found that the drop-outs are not repeatable. I've listened to these disc many times and noted no problems. Me thinks it is the scourge of HDMI. I have had more than my fair share of HDMI-related glitches lately. One thing I find can help (although it's a bit inconvenient) is to turn on a downstream HDMI-coupled device (like a scaler or TV) and in my case all the glitches go away.

I suspect you will have found that the drop-outs are not repeatable. I've listened to these disc many times and noted no problems. Me thinks it is the scourge of HDMI. I have had more than my fair share of HDMI-related glitches lately. One thing I find can help (although it's a bit inconvenient) is to turn on a downstream HDMI-coupled device (like a scaler or TV) and in my case all the glitches go away.

Indeed, they are not specifically repeatable. I do have my TV on when experiencing this, but thanks for that tip.

In the Oppo BDP-83 Owner's thread, Bob Pariseau had an excellent description of why HDMI re-handshakes might be at the root of problems like these. So I need to check all my cabling and re-seat the connectors just in case. Might be as simple as that.

shinksma

Hello all,
A while ago I posted a reply on this thread regarding the quality of these Genesis live 5.1 mixes. I said they were horrible. Well allow me to eat my words and take back what I said. I swapped out my rear speaker cables (Monster basic copper cables ) with some. 10 gauge Blue Jean cables on my Paradigm studio 10s. Seconds Out and The Rainbow concert sound amazing! The imaging of the instruments is amazing! I have not listened to the rest of the CD's but wow great stuff! Can you imagine this kind of remix in 5.1 for a concert like Yes's 1974 Relayer Tour:eek:

heh, from the way he spends his time I'm not sure you wish to eat Russel Crowe, or Cameron Crowe for that matter... Still, "eating crow" (sans extra "e") is certainly a refreshingly honest contribution to AVS, glad for your second listen.... And, most importantly, that you've found enjoyment in your setup!

heh, from the way he spends his time I'm not sure you wish to eat Russel Crowe, or Cameron Crowe for that matter... Still, "eating crow" (sans extra "e") is certainly a refreshingly honest contribution to AVS, glad for your second listen.... And, most importantly, that you've found enjoyment in your setup!
:D Spelling is not my strongest point!

Have been able to sample the non-SACD 83-98 box with a reasonable cross-section of tracks and I'm more than satisfied. Would it sound better on SACD? Judging from my comparisons of the DVDs and SACDs in the other two sets, I'd have to say yes, but not overwhelmingly so. Certainly not enough to pay ten to twenty times what I paid for the non-SACD box (14$). I don't regret getting the SACD sets for the other two as there was no way to anticipate such a fantastic price on the non-SACD sets when I bought the first two, but if I had not gotten any of them before the sale, I would be perfectly happy with the DVD set for all three. Moreover, I'd have happily "settled" for the non-SACD set for up to 75-80$ per box. The discrete MCH mixes matter a lot more to me than the extra audio quality (something I would not have said even 5 years ago--perhaps a sign of aging ears or a growing sense that wringing that extra smidgen of quality out of audio is no longer as important to me as it once was?).