Now that x-men 3 has dts-hd how do you access it? Is it possible with the Samsung BR player?

No player currently out can decode DTS-HD MA and the only player to officially promise that it will is the Panasonic with a FW update that hopefully arrives soon. Its not known but speculated that the Samsung & Philips will not support Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA with their current players. Its unknown exactly what the Sony BDP-S1 does as all documentation on it is very vague. Pioneer has never officially said if their player would support DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD although for $1500MSRP it better in my opinion. Hope that helps and its the main reason I own a Panasonic. Great PQ, SQ and the only player to officially support the advanced audio codecs with its first generation player. (Not even Toshiba can say they support both advanced audio codecs with their first generation player)

You can only get the 1.5Mbps DTS bistream off the disc via optical/coaxial out. You have to wait until Samsung or Panasonic gets the audio codec upgrade, or otherwise update your prepro/receiver.

At least you're getting DTS on BD rather than being stuck to SD video and DD on DVD.


fuad

1.5mbps DTS is good enough for me on the Sammy, those maxed DTS tracks on the Lionsgate releases are wonderful ;)

-Gary

1.5mbps DTS is good enough for me till I can decode DTS HD MA then I'll be happier. ;)

Pioneer has made official comments stating that they will NOT support advanced audio codecs with their new player several times. The Sony player will extract the core 5.1 signal but will not do advanced audio either. The PS3 will support Dolby TrueHD but it is unknown what it will support for DTS. Panasonic has mentioned that they will support both advanced audio codecs in early 2007 with a firmware update.

The PS3 will support Dolby TrueHD but it is unknown what it will support for DTS.

In my opinion Sony would be wise to add 5.1 DTS-HD MA capabilities for the PS3. It seems like Microsoft wants to fight Sony with firmware updgrades to the 360, but having next gen audio decoding/output capabilities is something the 360 currently cannot physically do.

I'm actually kind of surprised they haven't already added it. With Fox pushing to release some big action titles with DTS-HD MA near the launch of the PS3, you would think in return the PS3 would provide a player to show off these fancy new titles.

In fact, as far as both formats go (HD DVD and Blu-ray), I'm really confused as to why all this internal decoding stuff is getting added later by firmware upgrades instead of being available from day one (with the fancy logo on the front of the box). Weren't these formats capable of launching late last year/ early this year? Did they not know what the studios had planned to use for audio tracks on their releases this year?

They won't add anything more to the PS3 as its in production. If they added DTS-HD MA support it would of just delayed the machine even more.

Adding DTS HDMA to the PS3 is like adding a baby in a car full of people. Feh. :D

However, Sony is not going to be worried about that just yet because there's really no need. The 360 can't even output TrueHD. SCE can decide to do that later with a firmware upgrade.

I believe that adding decoding capabilities add costs to the manufacturer. So until SCE can make some money off the PS3, the DTS HDMA decoding capability can wait.


fuad

Well, with Fox leading the way with more than 5.1 channels of lossless audio then I suggest we get full 8 channel decoding of these audio formats PRONTO!

Dan

PS3 needs DTS Master or TrueHD? wow people are hyping and thinking way too much of a video game unit

Johnny six pack is gonna want to listen to DTS Master/True HD on his 10,000$ audio rig?, along with his 27" RCA tv? oh brother :confused:

PS3 and advanced audio = oxymoron

-Gary

PS3 needs DTS Master or TrueHD? wow people are hyping and thinking way too much of a video game unit

Johnny six pack is gonna want to listen to DTS Master/True HD on his 10,000$ audio rig?, along with his 27" RCA tv? oh brother :confused:

PS3 and advanced audio = oxymoron

-Gary
Well, I am an audiophile who's excited about the in-game audio features that the PS3 provides. Up until now, I've always preferred PC gaming due to the ability to get uncompressed game audio via 7.1 analog, as the other recent consoles resort to 5.1 DD compression. With the PS3, gamers get 7.1 uncompressed LPCM gaming audio.

My point in the context of this thread is that there are, and will be, gamers who appreciate lossless decoding for the PS3's playback of Blu-Ray movies. Also, there is currently nothing indicating that its video playback will be noticeably worse than standalone players. That said, I am a bit skeptical.

PS3 needs DTS Master or TrueHD? wow people are hyping and thinking way too much of a video game unit

Johnny six pack is gonna want to listen to DTS Master/True HD on his 10,000$ audio rig?, along with his 27" RCA tv? oh brother :confused:

PS3 and advanced audio = oxymoron

-Gary

Why the negativity? Sony seems to think it's a good idea so far... they already have the TrueHD part. They're releasing games with 7.1 Lossless PCM. They have HDMI ports on both PS3 versions.

Who says a majority of PS3 owners are going to be Johnny Six Packs???? I'm guessing Sony's target audience is probably aged 20 - 35, and this group spends alot of money on stuff like home theater/ speakers.

In fact, by your reasoning, why even include the Blu-ray movie playing capability at all????... why is Microsoft releasing an HD DVD add-on????... why is Microsoft applying firmware upgrades to allow 1080p output capability???... why any of this stuff if these machines are just for little 13 year olds playing the PS3 in their bedroom or for regular Joes playing it on his "27 inch RCA tv"??

Adding DTS-HD MA decoding really shouldn't even be all that difficult, costly, or time-consuming for Sony anyways. It seems like a good idea to add it to me at least, especially if Sony is looking for more ways to differentiate the PS3 from the Xbox360 and justify the price difference/ tout technological superiority.

doesn't ps3 support dts hd??

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7822/ps3hardware20nl1.jpg

doesn't ps3 support dts hd?? That's the new DTS logo. The PS3 doesn't have a DTS-HD logo.

gotcha. I'm pretty sure in the future there will be firmware to decode that, i think the cell is powerful enough to.

Using an HDMI connection to my AV Receiver wont help with the Samsung, correct? The codec is not there so it cant be chagned to PCM to pass over HDMI. Can someone verify this for me since I have been considering getting a Sammy on the cheap cheap soon.
-Evangelo2

PS3 has DTS HD logo, not Master Audio logo.

PS3 has DTS HD logo, not Master Audio logo.
No, it's the standard DTS logo. The DTS-HD and DTS-HD MA logos are shown below:

http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dts-on-bluray-and-hddvd.php

"You can only get the 1.5Mbps DTS bistream off the disc via optical/coaxial out."

What's the bit rate for hdmi audio out?

I am sure I am in the minority but a technology that can have 50 gb storage there is no excuse not to use lpcm on the discs. There is more than adequate storage. This is a rip off imo by Fox and their cronies. This is just another time consumers are asked to bend over and take it. Blah Humbug!

In early 2007, once you pick up a receiver that supports TrueHD and DTS-MA, you won't have to worry about what your player can encode and decode. As long as it's equipped with HDMI 1.3 it will pass through the advanced codecs.
"You can only get the 1.5Mbps DTS bistream off the disc via optical/coaxial out."
What's the bit rate for hdmi audio out?
Up to 24.5Mbps for BD to a maximum resolution of 96/24 7.1 or 192/24 5.1

You can only get the 1.5Mbps DTS bistream off the disc via optical/coaxial out. You have to wait until Samsung or Panasonic gets the audio codec upgrade, or otherwise update your prepro/receiver.

At least you're getting DTS on BD rather than being stuck to SD video and DD on DVD.


fuad

So what am I actually getting out of the analog ouputs on the Sammy BDP1000 (w/latest firmware)?

When I switch between the DD5.1 Track and the DTS HD track on a movie, DTS HD sounds significantly better than the DD5.1 track (enough so to lead me to believe it was a lossless track when I first heard it). Well, it's apparently not lossless, but if it's also not 1.5Mbps, then what is it?

--
Bryce

If you use LPCM, you don't have to worry about licensing to Dolby or DTS either.

However, if space becomes an issue then a lossless encode might save you that extra few GB's of space and still allow for a 24 bit depth and high sampling rates.

You know how much studios are itching to use BD50 for extras more than anything.

Dan

So what am I actually getting out of the analog ouputs on the Sammy BDP1000 (w/latest firmware)?

Sorry but there has been so many posts regarding the bitrate you'd be getting out of the Samsung.

The audio from analog out you're getting from the Samsung when you choose DTS HDMA on a BD with the DTS HDMA is the 1.5 Mbps audio decoded. BD standards mandate players to be able to decode Dolby Digital and DTS.

Sorry for the confusion.


fuad

So what am I actually getting out of the analog ouputs on the Sammy BDP1000 (w/latest firmware)? Current Blu-ray titles use 16/48 LPCM (4.6 Mpbs) for their lossless track, with one or two exceptions. On a BD25 disk, there isn't really space for >16/48 LPCM, particularly when MPEG-2 is used for video.

FOX is able to offer 24/48 on select BD25 disks because they are using the combination of AVC (MPEG-4) and DTS-HD MA, which is far more efficient than LPCM. FOX's 24/48 DTS-HD MA tracks require just slightly more capacity than Sony's 16/48 LPCM tracks.

"Lossless" should be used for "lossless compressed" formats like MLP, Dolby TrueHD (an offshoot of MLP), and DTS Master Audio that pack the LPCM into a smaller space. The LPCM tracks on Blu-Ray are "uncompressed" or "raw."

Just picking nits. :D

Dan

PS3 needs DTS Master or TrueHD? wow people are hyping and thinking way too much of a video game unit

Johnny six pack is gonna want to listen to DTS Master/True HD on his 10,000$ audio rig?, along with his 27" RCA tv? oh brother :confused:

PS3 and advanced audio = oxymoron

-Gary

LOL - Are you saying that a $10,000 audio system is equivalent to a 27" tube? Snob! :p

The PS3 support DTS-HD upto 5.1 over HDMI:
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/audiooutput.html

The PS3 support DTS-HD upto 5.1 over HDMI:
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/audiooutput.htmlIt isn't clear to me that it actually outputs the DTS-HD and doesn't just extract the DTS portion. It seems to imply that it can send 5.1 Linear PCM from this, but it just isn't clear to me. I hope the bottom image that only shows PCM for 2 channel is just missing some options that will be there for 5.1 and 7.1 LPCM.

--Darin

It isn't clear to me that it actually outputs the DTS-HD and doesn't just extract the DTS portion. It seems to imply that it can send 5.1 Linear PCM from this, but it just isn't clear to me. I hope the bottom image that only shows PCM for 2 channel is just missing some options that will be there for 5.1 and 7.2 LPCM.

--Darin


Hopefully there is a "specification" page in the owners manual and gets down to the technicalities. Until then, we have this......

No WMA support either.

"Lossless" should be used for "lossless compressed" formats like MLP, Dolby TrueHD (an offshoot of MLP), and DTS Master Audio that pack the LPCM into a smaller space. The LPCM tracks on Blu-Ray are "uncompressed" or "raw."Maybe this isn't technically correct in one way of doing it, but to me, if a person asks how many discs have lossless audio, I think including all discs where there is no loss from the particular master used should be included in that list. So, LPCM tracks would count in the number I would give somebody. To me, the lossless that comes from codecs that compress is just a subset off all the choices that aren't lossy, and LPCM isn't lossy. Maybe we need to come up with a term like "non-lossy" if "lossless" is reserved. :)

--Darin

Maybe this isn't technically correct in one way of doing it, but to me, if a person asks how many discs have lossless audio, I think including all discs where there is no loss from the particular master used should be included in that list. So, LPCM tracks would count in the number I would give somebody. To me, the lossless that comes from codecs that compress is just a subset off all the choices that aren't lossy, and LPCM isn't lossy. Maybe we need to come up with a term like "non-lossy" if "lossless" is reserved. :)

--Darin
How are we going to finish the AVS dictionary with all this confusion in semantics? :mad:

It isn't clear to me that it actually outputs the DTS-HD and doesn't just extract the DTS portion. It seems to imply that it can send 5.1 Linear PCM from this, but it just isn't clear to me. I hope the bottom image that only shows PCM for 2 channel is just missing some options that will be there for 5.1 and 7.1 LPCM.

--Darin
In a response I rceived from Scott Esterson at DTS they had said when the PS3 logo went on, which just shows DTS Digital Surround, the other logos were not finished yet.
From the review of X3 on HighDefDigest I saw this today.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/xmenlaststand.html
The silver lining is that Panasonic promises to have a firmware upgrade available soon that will enable DTS-HD, and the upcoming PlayStation 3 has also been announced as supporting DTS-HD decoding
:) Sweet!

Sorry for the stupid question...I'm an audio newbie. I just bought a PS3 and it's on its way to me. But with some of the Fox titles only offering DTS-HD as its English audio choice, and if I don't have any sort of DTS receiver and plan on plugging the PS3 into my HDTV via HDMI only and using the TV's speakers, will I be able to play these Fox discs? Will it automatically downconvert to 2.0 sound? Thanks for any answers.

Sorry for the stupid question...I'm an audio newbie. I just bought a PS3 and it's on its way to me. But with some of the Fox titles only offering DTS-HD as its English audio choice, and if I don't have any sort of DTS receiver and plan on plugging the PS3 into my HDTV via HDMI only and using the TV's speakers, will I be able to play these Fox discs? Will it automatically downconvert to 2.0 sound? Thanks for any answers.
Yes and Yes.

"You can only get the 1.5Mbps DTS bistream off the disc via optical/coaxial out."

What's the bit rate for hdmi audio out?

In my setup with «the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen» BD DVD that has a DTS HD 5.1 Master Lossless encoded audio, my PS3 is decoding internally only the core DTS @48 kHz/1,5 Mbps and sends it as LPCM 5.1 through the HDMI 1.3 towards my Denon AVR 4306 receiver (multi Ch in) without using at all the optical/discrete analog ports (disconnected anyways to prove it works). It is the same for any other DD source (French/spanish audio) on the DVD that are being decoded internally and sent as LPCM .

So if you have an HDMI enabled inputs A/V receiver you do not even need an optical/coaxial link and you will be able to enjoy "enhanced" (1,5 Mbps) 5.1 DTS which is better than plain DD anyways.

So if you have an HDMI enabled inputs A/V receiver you do not even need an optical/coaxial link and you will be able to enjoy "enhanced" (1,5 Mbps) 5.1 DTS which is better than plain DD anyways.

I am curious about this statement he made in the review of X3:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/xmenlaststand.html

where he says:

'The Last Stand' even gets the 6.1 channel treatment, plopping an extra center speaker of surround info behind your couch. That's the good news. The bad news is that in order to access a DTS-HD soundtrack, you either have to have a decoder built into your Blu-ray player, or in your A/V receiver. Unfortunately, as of this writing, neither of the two Blu-ray players on the market -- the Samsung BD-P1000 and Panasonic DMP-BD10 -- offer DTS-HD decoding. Nor are there any such receivers on the market.

He does not say it but his "good news/bad news" implies that you would NOT get 6.1 sound but only 5.1 sound.

I have a recently acquired Denon 987 (same as the 3807) 7.1 capable HDMI Receiver.

If I set my Samsung BD player to output Bitstream over the HDMI connection, the Denon shows 7 channels on the front display.
ie. 6.1 DTS

If I set the Samsung to output PCM over HDMI ,the Denon shows 6 channels on the front display.
ie. 5.1 DTS



Does the PS3 let you set whether to output PCM or Bitstream?
I am very curious to know if the PS3 would allow you to get the 6.1 soundtrack or not. The Samsung does.

The reason the Samsung puts out 5.1 LPCM is because it does not have a DTS-ES (or DTS-HD) decoder inside. Therefore, it cannot read the extension flag in order to pick up the discrete back channel. If you send it out through bitstream, a receiver with DTS-ES decoding will get you the back channel.

The PS3 lets you choose bitstream or decoding to LPCM internally. It does not contain code for DTS-HD or DTS Master Audio lossless yet (nor does any current Blu-Ray player). It will send regular DTS or DTS-ES bitstreams via HDMI or optical if you select bitstream to your receiver.

Dan

Just watched X3 on my PS3. Preamp said it was receiving DTS ES DISCRETE 6.1 48Khz. Sounded pretty damn good to me compared to the SD-DVD.