View Full Version : Master list of LCD/PLASMA with 1:1 pixel mapping
bobn4burton 11-09-06, 10:03 AM OK...I hope this thread will get some activity. I think it would be VERY helpful to have a single list of LCD's and PLASMA's that support 1:1 pixel mapping. I know this is very important to me and a lot of other people here...so why not have the info in a single thread for quick access. I will update the thread as people list more sets. If anyone sees any incorrect information, post and I will update as necessary. It would also be nice to have the following information for each set:
Model number
Connection used for 1:1 mapping (DVI, HDMI, VGA)
Color Mapping
Any possible tricks to get it to work
PLASMA:
LG 50PG25, ??, ??, ??
LG 50PX1D, HDMI/DVI, ??, ??
LG 60PY3D, HDMI, ??, from Menu, go to Option > Input Label > set as “PC”
NEC 42XR4, HDMI, ??, ??
NEC 50XR5, HDMI, ??, ??
NEC 61XR3, HDMI, ??, ??
Panasonic 42PZ700U, HDMI, ??, Setting HD size2
Panasonic 42PZ77U, HDMI, ??, Setting HD size2
Panasonic 50PZ77U, HDMI, ??, Setting HD size2
Panasonic 9UK Series, DVI-Board or VGA or BNC or Component, ??, ??
Panasonic TH-50PZ750U, Component, ?HDMI?, ??, Picture settings/other settings/Size 2
Panasonic TH-50PZ77U, HDMI, ??, ??
Panasonic TH-42PX600U, VGA, ??, PC input
Panasonic TH-65PX600U, HDMI, 16-235, Size2 (way down on menu)
Pioneer PDP-4270HD, VGA, ??, Dot for Dot
Pioneer PDP-4280HD, VGA, ??, Dot for Dot
Pioneer PDP-5010FD, HDMI, ??, ??
Pioneer PDP-5070HD, VGA, ??, Dot for Dot
Pioneer PDP-6010FD, HDMI, ??, ??
Pioneer PDP-6070HD, VGA, ??, Dot for Dot
Pioneer Elite PRO-940HD, VGA, ??, Dot for Dot
Pioneer Elite PRO-1140HD, VGA, ??, Dot for Dot
Pioneer Elite PRO-1540HD, VGA, ??, Dot for Dot
Pioneer Pro-FHD1, HDMI, ??, Dot for Dot
Samsung FP-T5084, HDMI/VGA, ??, Just Scan
Samsung FP-T5884, HDMI/VGA, ??, Just Scan
Samsung FP-T6374, HDMI/VGA, ??, Just Scan
Samsung HP-T4254, VGA, ??, ??
Samsung HP-T4264, VGA, ??, ??
Samsung HP-T4234, VGA, ??, ??
Samsung HP-T5054, VGA, ??, ??
Samsung HP-T5064, VGA, ??, ??
Samsung HP-T5034, VGA, ??, ??
Vizio VP42, HDMI/VGA, ??, ??
LCD:
Hannspree XV 32, HDMI or VGA, ??, ??
JVC 46FN97, HDMI or Component, ??, Full Native aspect ratio
Mitsubishi LT-37131, DVI, ??, **There are a few lines of pixels that do not show on edges
Mitsubishi LT-37132, DVI, ??, **There are a few lines of pixels that do not show on edges
Mitsubishi LT-46131, DVI, ??, ??
Olevia 232V, HDMI, Tuner, VGA, ??, Push Aspect button on Remote until 1:1 or Menu > Screen > Aspect Ratio > Choose 1:1
Olevia 337H, VGA or S-video, ??, Press aspect button until you get to 1:1 option
Olevia 537H, VGA or HDMI or Component, ??, Press 'zoom' button until you get to 1:1 option
Olevia 542I, Tuner or Composite or S-Video or Component or VGA or HDMI, ??, Press 'zoom' button until you get to 1:1 option
Phillips 42PFL7422D, HDMI, ??, Select 'Unscaled' in format menu
Phillips 47PFL7422D, HDMI, ??, Select 'Unscaled' in format menu
Phillips 52PFL7422D, HDMI, ??, Select 'Unscaled' in format menu
Phillips 42PFL7432D, HDMI, ??, Select 'Unscaled' in format menu
Phillips 47PFL7432D, HDMI, ??, Select 'Unscaled' in format menu
Phillips 52PFL7432D, HDMI, ??, Select 'Unscaled' in format menu
Samsung LNS4095D, VGA, ??, ??
Samsung LNS4096D, VGA, ??, ??
Samsung LNS4695D, VGA, ??, ??
Samsung LNS4696D, VGA, ??, ??
Samsung LTP468W, DVI, ??, The timing must be "reduced blanking" - 138.63MHz instead of full blanking - 148.5 MHz
Samsung LNxxA550, HDMI, ??, ??
Samsung LNxxA650, HDMI, ??, ??
Samsung LNxxA750, HDMI, ??, ??
Sceptre X42GV/X42SV, DVI or VGA, 0-255, Select the 'DVI' Input from PC source menu
Sceptre X37SV, DVI or VGA, 0-255, Select the 'DVI' Input from PC source menu
Sharp Aquos 42D62U, HDMI or Component, ??, Dot by Dot mode
Sharp Aquos 46D62U, HDMI or Component, ??, Dot by Dot mode
Sharp Aquos 46D92U, DVI, ??, Dot by Dot mode
Sharp Aquos 52D62U, HDMI or Component, ??, Dot by Dot mode
Sharp LC-32D50U, DVI, ??, Dot by Dot Mode
Sharp LC-42PD7X, DVI, ??, Dot by Dot Mode, AV mode set to "PC", sharpness set to -10 (min)
Sharp LC-46XD1E, HDMI, ??, In "Wide modes" menu select "Underscan"
Sharp LC-52XD1E, HDMI, ??, In "Wide modes" menu select "Underscan"
Soniq QV320H, HDMI, ??, ??
Sony KDL-40V2500, HDMI or VGA or Component, both, ??
Sony KDL-46V2500, HDMI or VGA or Component, both, ??
Sony KDL-46V251L1, HDMI or VGA or Component, both, ??
Sony KDL-40W4100, HDMI or VGA or component, ??, Home->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Sony KDL-52V4100, HDMI or VGA, ??, Home->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Sony XBR2 40", HDMI or VGA, ??, Settings->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Sony XBR2 46", HDMI or VGA, ??, Settings->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Sony XBR2 52", HDMI or VGA, ??, Settings->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Sony XBR3 40", HDMI or VGA, ??, Settings->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Sony XBR3 46", HDMI or VGA, ??, Settings->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Sony XBR3 52", HDMI or VGA, ??, Settings->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Sony XBR4 40", HDMI or Component, ??, Settings->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Sony XBR4 46", HDMI or Component, ??, Settings->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Sony XBR4 52", HDMI or Component, ??, Settings->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Sony XBR5 40", HDMI or Component, ??, Settings->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Sony XBR5 46", HDMI or Component, ??, Settings->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Sony XBR5 52", HDMI or Component, ??, Settings->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Toshiba HL196, ??, ??, one-to-one
Toshiba LX196, ??, ??, one-to-one
Toshiba 'Regza' series, HDMI, ??, 'Native Mode'
Vizio GV42LF ??, ??, ??
Vizio VU42LF ??, ??, ??
Vizio GV47L 47", HDMI, 0-255, No special setting needed...
Vizio GV52LF 52", HDMI, 0-255, No special setting needed...
Westinghouse LVM-47w1, DVI or HDMI or VGA, 0-255 (VGA & DVI) and 16-235 (HDMI), ??
Westinghouse LVM-42w2, DVI or HDMI or VGA, ??, ??
Westinghouse LVM-37w3, DVI or HDMI or VGA, ??, ??
Westinghouse W4207, DVI or HDMI, ??, ??
PROJECTOR:
BenQ W5000, ??, ??, 1:1 mapping does not work with firmware 1.08
BenQ W20000, ??, ??, 1:1 mapping does not work with firmware 1.08
Sharp XVZ21000, ??, ??, ??
Marantz VP15S1, ??, ??, ??
There is already similar topic listed here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=329951
Also you missed Westy 37w3 and the fact that Westinghouse will accept 1080p on HDMI, DVI, VGA and component.
yungintl 11-09-06, 10:19 PM what is 1:1 pixel mapping
bobn4burton 11-09-06, 11:02 PM There is already similar topic listed here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=329951
Also you missed Westy 37w3 and the fact that Westinghouse will accept 1080p on HDMI, DVI, VGA and component.
Thanks...I'll add the 37w3 to the list. However...I'd like to keep this list strictly focused on 1:1 pixel mapping capabilities. The 37w3 doesn't have 1:1 pixel mapping on the component input does it?
bobn4burton 11-09-06, 11:06 PM what is 1:1 pixel mapping
This means that the TV will accept its native resolution from an input and NOT touch the signal in any way (no scaling, overscan, etc). So this is most beneficial to people that have their PC's hooked up to the TV.
Daniel L 11-09-06, 11:32 PM The Sony 40", 46", 52" XBR2 and XBR3 all support 1:1 pixel mapping through their HDMI/VGA inputs.
Settings -> Screen -> Display Area -> Full Pixel
Sharp Aquos 42D62U/46D62U/52D62U support 1:1 pixel mapping through their HDMI input. -> Dot by Dot mode
bobn4burton 11-10-06, 12:00 AM Thanks Daniel...
I think this list can be a pretty good resource for people if we can get a lot of input and a good thorough list going.
The Pioneer elite 1140HD can but I'm not sure thru which connections.
The NEC models can (I think thru HDMI).
Remember 1:1 pixel mapping is only HALF the battle... You also want the color space to match.
PC's put out R,G,B in a 0-255 range, where black =0 and white=255.
Video devices, PVRS, DVDs, etc output a smaller range where black = 16 and white = 235.
Unless the sets inputs match the device outputs you will get a washed out picture or a image with crushed blacks and blown whites. Adjusting contrast and brightness may or may not help.
Ideally sets should allow the user to set the range, but most are hard coded.
You don't say it, but are you focused on 1080 sets?
Reportedly the Samsung LNS4095D\LNS4096D\LNS4695D\LNS4696D will do 1:1 over VGA.
There are rumors of a service fix for 1:1 over HDMI.
cjmac97 11-10-06, 08:49 AM Pioneer Pro-FHD1. 1:1 pixel mapping, called "Dot for Dot", over HDMI. Don't use any other inputs so haven't tried it. No trick to get it to work other than a 1080 line source.
bobn4burton 11-10-06, 09:25 AM Remember 1:1 pixel mapping is only HALF the battle... You also want the color space to match.
Good point...I'll add this as another parameter for each set.
You don't say it, but are you focused on 1080 sets?
No...any resolution is fine as long as it accepts a 1:1 pixel mapping.
bobn4burton 11-10-06, 09:36 AM The Pioneer elite 1140HD can but I'm not sure thru which connections.
The NEC models can (I think thru HDMI).
Do you have a model number(s)?
For the record the Westy 47" 1080p offers 1:1 on VGA, HDMI, and both DVI's.
VGA 0-255
DVI 0-255
HDMI 16-235 with some green clipping.
If you hook up a 16-235 source to VGA or DVI you can use contrast and brightness to get a decent image. If you hook a PC up to the HDMI you'll get clipping.
16-235 sources: XBOX 360, Dish/Bell HD PVR
0-255 Source: PC
This is a great value set at the sale prices BB offered recently, not perfect but a great value.
rantanamo 11-10-06, 01:52 PM So is all this is is a 1:1 setting? If so, the Olevia 537H definitely has it. Its a 768p set. When watching a 720p source cycling through the zoom settings will get you to 1:1 as one of the choices. Upon choosing, the picture shrinks with black bars all around, which would make sense as 720p is less pixels than 768p. Can do this setting for other sources, including vga.
bobn4burton 11-11-06, 07:27 PM Just a quick bump to keep the model numbers coming in. We just getting started on building this list.
The NEC models are 50XR5 over DVI, the 42XR4 over DVI, and the 61XR3 over DVI.
bobn4burton 11-12-06, 08:31 PM Thanks.
Keep models rolling in. Let's get this list as thorough as possible.
steelyken 11-12-06, 09:33 PM Olevia 537H also supports 1:1 over component. I can confirm this as I am watching the screen in this mode as I type now.
bobn4burton 11-12-06, 11:00 PM Olevia 537H also supports 1:1 over component. I can confirm this as I am watching the screen in this mode as I type now.
Really? Interesting, I didn't realize you could get 1:1 via component. So there's no overscan or anything? I'll update the list.
bobn4burton 11-16-06, 10:00 AM Bump for more models...
bobn4burton 11-20-06, 04:28 PM Any more interest? I'd really like to keep this list growing...
Sharp Aquos 46D62U can do Dot by Dot over component as well. I've tested with my XBox360 at 1080p and is how I currently run my set.
meister 11-20-06, 04:50 PM The sony V2500 series 40" and 46" LCD's both support 1:1 though HDMI, there are also settings to adjust the colorspace as needed
The Panasonic 9UK over their DVI board.
bobn4burton 11-20-06, 10:17 PM List updated...
Robonaut 11-21-06, 07:51 AM Maybe we should ask the mods to make this a sticky?
I would think that a lot of people are interested in this info...
bobn4burton 11-21-06, 09:16 AM Robonaut,
I personally think that this would be a GREAT resource and sticky for a lot of people if we can get a decent size list going. So far I've actually had pretty good responses...so I'm hoping that the list will continue to grow.
Reportedly the Samsung LNS4095D\LNS4096D\LNS4695D\LNS4696D will do 1:1 over VGA.
There are rumors of a service fix for 1:1 over HDMI.
any info on this?
rantanamo 11-21-06, 11:13 AM Olevia 537H also supports 1:1 over component. I can confirm this as I am watching the screen in this mode as I type now.
1:1 for VGA and HDMI as well.
dizzy0113 12-13-06, 10:33 PM Reportedly the Samsung LNS4095D\LNS4096D\LNS4695D\LNS4696D will do 1:1 over VGA.
There are rumors of a service fix for 1:1 over HDMI.
Also, would be interested in this, I just started looking at the Samsung LNS4096D after first looking at the Sharp LC-37D90U
http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1718,00.html
The sharp actually includes a DVI-I input (in addition to the 2 HDMIs) for connecting the computer and does 1:1. I see the Samsung has the Analog PC input which Im sure does 1:1, but I know on my 19" I can tell the difference between analog and DVI. So why would I want to use a D-sub analog or whatever its called from my video card instead of DVI-I (Actually my new video card has 2 DVI-I outputs and no analog).
bobn4burton 12-13-06, 10:48 PM Just a friendly bump!
I'm surprised the list is so small.
fjtorres 12-25-06, 07:04 PM I'm surprsied the list is so small.
You shouldn't be; overscan is just one of many ways in which Hd quality is subverted to accomodate lazy/sloppy/cheapskate broadcasters.
In this case, CE manufacturers are afraid of consumers getting a bad feed, seeing garbage, and blaming it on the set. So they make overscan a default, even for HD display modes, which are not supposed to need. Once they make overscan a default, doing 1-to-1 becomes an extra cost item that only savvy consumers know to look for even though more and more sources are appeareaing (XBOX, PS3, HD-DVD, BD-ROM, video streaming boxes, etc) that benefit from 1-to-1 display.
One reason a list like this is useful; the more consumers ask for it, the more sets will have it.
This means that the TV will accept its native resolution from an input and NOT touch the signal in any way (no scaling, overscan, etc). So this is most beneficial to people that have their PC's hooked up to the TV.
Does pixel mapping only work with signals at the native resolution?
fjtorres 12-25-06, 07:14 PM Toshiba HL196 and LX196 both have 1-to-1 modes for 1080 video.
Does pixel mapping only work with signals at the native resolution?
Did some searching and found that the Olevia will pixel map at lower resolutions than native.
Larry Hutchinson 12-26-06, 03:24 PM Panasonic TH-65PX600U 1920x1080 plasma.
HDMI
Size2 (drill down a far as you can go in the menus.)
Color via RGB appears to be 16-235.
Picture here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8609427&&#post8609427).
bobn4burton 12-26-06, 11:02 PM Panasonic TH-65PX600U 1920x1080 plasma.
HDMI
Size2 (drill down a far as you can go in the menus.)
Color via RGB appears to be 16-235.
Picture here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8609427&&#post8609427).
Wow...that is one sweet TV. Wish I could afford that bad boy.
bobn4burton 12-26-06, 11:23 PM Toshiba HL196 and LX196 both have 1-to-1 modes for 1080 video.
Do you know which inputs can be used to obtain the 1:1 pixel mapping?
bobn4burton 12-26-06, 11:25 PM Did some searching and found that the Olevia will pixel map at lower resolutions than native.
I'm not sure this is what we are looking for here. When we are talking about 1:1 pixel mapping, then we are talking about feeding the TV the native resolution which will be displayed without the TV manipulating the signal (scaling, overscan, etc).
Explain further if I am missing what you are trying to say?
I'm not sure this is what we are looking for here. When we are talking about 1:1 pixel mapping, then we are talking about feeding the TV the native resolution which will be displayed without the TV manipulating the signal (scaling, overscan, etc).
Explain further if I am missing what you are trying to say?
I just ordered a Syntax which has a native resolution of 1366x768. My laptop does not have that resolution. I plan on sending a signal from the laptop that is closest to but still under the native resolution and put the tv in "1 to 1" mode. The TV will not alter the signal, but it won't be the native resolution either.
bobn4burton 12-27-06, 04:45 PM I just ordered a Syntax which has a native resolution of 1366x768. My laptop does not have that resolution. I plan on sending a signal from the laptop that is closest to but still under the native resolution and put the tv in "1 to 1" mode. The TV will not alter the signal, but it won't be the native resolution either.
So what your saying is that you'll actually get a perfect 1:1 pixel mapping, however there will be some black (unused) bars on the TV? I understand now.
Give me some specifics on the TV and I'll add it to the list.
Sony KDL-40V2500, HDMI, both, ??
Sony KDL-46V2500, HDMI, both, ??
Sony KDL-46V251L1, HDMI, both, ??
All these TV's also support full pixel 1:1 for 1080i over component and with the right video card and some powerstrip tweaking will do 1:1 over VGA. The Xbox 360 also will do 1:1 over VGA.
anytime you are using 1:1 over VGA a "unsupported display" message has to be cleared with the menu key but it is 1:1
bobn4burton 12-27-06, 06:53 PM Sony KDL-40V2500, HDMI, both, ??
Sony KDL-46V2500, HDMI, both, ??
Sony KDL-46V251L1, HDMI, both, ??
All these TV's also support full pixel 1:1 for 1080i over component and with the right video card and some powerstrip tweaking will do 1:1 over VGA. The Xbox 360 also will do 1:1 over VGA.
anytime you are using 1:1 over VGA a "unsupported display" message has to be cleared with the menu key but it is 1:1
Thanks, list updated...
tdavis21484 12-27-06, 11:10 PM The NEC models are 50XR5 over DVI, the 42XR4 over DVI, and the 61XR3 over DVI.
The XR5 and XR4 don't have DVI - they have HDMI.
bobn4burton 12-28-06, 12:13 AM The XR5 and XR4 don't have DVI - they have HDMI.
Thanks, fixed entries in list...
Sending a 1366x768 signal to the Panny appears to yield 1:1 via DVI with default settings. Confirmed by sending the 1pixel wide checkerboard, vertical and horizontal test patterns of the VP30. This is with the horizontal/vertical pos/size of the 9UK at 0 (default) It doesn't seem like anything needs to be done if you leave the 9UK's overscan settings at 0. Once I stray even one tick off the 0's the test patterns show that there is no longer a 1:1 map anymore. Unfortunately, if you want to use wobble it's nice to set overscan in the display so you don't see the flashing borders as the screen moves around. I tried for a brief time messing w/ the format settings in the VP30 but didn't make any progress in attaining 1:1 other than at default settings. There's a lot of settings for vertical and horizontal adjustments and basically I have no idea how they relate to adjusting the screen in matching up with the display once you start using overscan. :confused:
So what your saying is that you'll actually get a perfect 1:1 pixel mapping, however there will be some black (unused) bars on the TV? I understand now.
Give me some specifics on the TV and I'll add it to the list.
Olevia 337H
1:1 appears to be supported for all sources. Could only test with VGA and S-video so far. Accessed with the Aspect button and displays as "1:1".
Accepts any resolution up to 1366x768. Blacks bars on lower resolutions.
bobn4burton 12-31-06, 04:21 PM Interesting...
I'm surprised that it'll 1:1 pixel map sources like S-video by just displaying the used pixels. Cool option to have however.
suzook11 01-01-07, 04:20 PM panasonic 509uk using vga gives 1:1
You don't say it, but are you focused on 1080 sets?
Reportedly the Samsung LNS4095D\LNS4096D\LNS4695D\LNS4696D will do 1:1 over VGA.
There are rumors of a service fix for 1:1 over HDMI.
This is taken from others' experiences over at the slickdeals forums
"It will do 1:1 DVI->HDMI if you set your refresh rate @ 60hz"
2 people have both said this, no one has disputed it yet, can anyone with this tv confirm this, im about to buy it and wanted to make sure.
Olevia 542i support 1:1 mapping on all sources - Tuner, Composite, S-Video, Component, VGA, and HDMI.
Panasonic 9UK using RGB mode over BNC/Component connectors works as well.
Destructo-Bot 01-16-07, 01:04 AM Westy 37w3 (and probably the other models) does not have a dot to dot mode!
bobn4burton 01-16-07, 01:16 AM Westy 37w3 (and probably the other models) does not have a dot to dot mode!
So you're saying the Westy 37w3 does NOT have 1:1 pixel mapping? I thought the Westies did...
Markarian421 01-16-07, 02:06 AM The Mitsubishi LT-37131 and LT-37132 do 1:1 over DVI->DVI, but they drop a small number of pixels on some of the edges. The DVI input is said (by the manual) to be for PCs only, not video sources. The HDMI inputs don't appear to do 1:1.
bobn4burton 01-16-07, 09:16 AM The Mitsubishi LT-37131 and LT-37132 do 1:1 over DVI->DVI, but they drop a small number of pixels on some of the edges. The DVI input is said (by the manual) to be for PCs only, not video sources. The HDMI inputs don't appear to do 1:1.
What do you mean by dropping a few pixels on the edges? Does it cut off a few pixel widths and then scale? Or just keep 1:1 mapping and put a couple pixel widths of black on the edges?
Markarian421 01-16-07, 11:43 AM It's 1:1, but under OS X using two different macs (one g4, one intel, different graphics chipsets) and the default settings, 2 rows of pixels on the left are not displayed, 6 rows on the right, and 5 on the bottom. The exception is the bottom row of visible pixels, which is a few pixels wider. I haven't used this monitor in XP a lot (on the intel mac) but when I quickly checked in XP it looked like it dropped 1 row from the top as well, although that could be a side effect of the way I displayed the test images. I have not found that this has any impact on using the computer with it, and the 6 on the right is probably the only thing I could pick out by eye without using a test pattern. I understand that on the 46" and some PCs there is also some problem of some of the missing lower rows flickering, but I haven't tested that myself so it's hearsay.
Destructo-Bot 01-16-07, 05:43 PM Let me clarify: the westy will not overscan native res unless you use fill mode. But it does not support 1:1 mode for non-native resolutions. All other resolutions are scaled to fit.
bobn4burton 01-16-07, 09:16 PM Let me clarify: the westy will not overscan native res unless you use fill mode. But it does not support 1:1 mode for non-native resolutions. All other resolutions are scaled to fit.
Ah...I see. This thread is mainly about 1:1 pixel mapping with Native resolution. So the 37w3 fits the bill.
My testing shows Vizio GV47L does 1:1 mapping only for HDMI 1080p. HDMI 1080i is overscanned. Another person confirmed it on the vizio thread.
RebelWax 01-21-07, 05:44 PM Has it been confirmed that the 1:1 pxel mapping issue has been addressed on the Samsung LN-S4096D through HDMI? I'm seriously considering this set or the Sony KDL-40V2500. Sony has the supposed "clouding" issues and Samsung has the overscan. This tv will mainly be used for xbox360 and ps3. Wish it wasn't so hard to buy a tv set :confused:
seether4113 01-21-07, 11:33 PM Has it been confirmed that the 1:1 pxel mapping issue has been addressed on the Samsung LN-S4096D through HDMI? I'm seriously considering this set or the Sony KDL-40V2500. Sony has the supposed "clouding" issues and Samsung has the overscan. This tv will mainly be used for xbox360 and ps3. Wish it wasn't so hard to buy a tv set :confused:
Some of the Sammies have the clouding as well. Not sure if its as widespread as the Sony's seem to be, or if they just arent quite as popular, leading to more complaining.
And no, i dont think the overscan has been addressed in North America yet, but I do believe I heard its addressed in firmware in Korea, so maybe theres still hope.
ataxic_dentist 01-21-07, 11:40 PM My Westinghouse W4207 has it w/ hdmi, dvi and I'm pretty sure component. Haven't tried VGA.
This is taken from others' experiences over at the slickdeals forums
"It will do 1:1 DVI->HDMI if you set your refresh rate @ 60hz"
2 people have both said this, no one has disputed it yet, can anyone with this tv confirm this, im about to buy it and wanted to make sure.
Well I finally got my 4095 and can now finally say if it does 1:1 or not. Through DVI it does NOT do 1:1 pixel mapping, there is an overscan and its pretty annoying, however, I was happy to find out that over VGA it DOES do 1:1 pixel mapping, and the picture is still really nice. So there you have it folks. I assume the 4096 does the same thing (along with 4695 and 4696)
buzzyboy 01-28-07, 09:15 AM Keeping the list alive.
lexx_kun 01-29-07, 05:03 PM I've determined that, for HTPC input atleast on a 1080p set, 1:1 pixel mapping isn't an issue. Here's my logic:
-graphics card can adjust the resolution (powerstrip or nvidia tools or ati tools) to eliminate the overscan. Yes, this introduces a bit of scaling, but:
-even without the perfect 1:1 mapping, the resultant image looks good from a viewing distance.
-generally, for 1080p, viewing distance is far enough that it's impossible to distinguish individual pixels
-generally, for 1080p, viewing distance is too far to use the setup as a nominal PC monitor comfortably.
-Unless you're watching bluray or hd-dvd, you're not outputting 1080p content from the PC to the display. For argument's sake let's assume you're putting out 480p-720p range material. With the scaling going on in software before the video signal is output at 1080p (or ~almost~ 1080p to get around overscan) having 1:1 pixel mapping doesn't matter: there's scaling going on already with the resizing.
-to be truthful, the colorspace problem (0-255 vs 16-235) affects image quality significantly more than not having 1:1
bobn4burton 01-30-07, 02:53 AM I've determined that, for HTPC input atleast on a 1080p set, 1:1 pixel mapping isn't an issue. Here's my logic:
-graphics card can adjust the resolution (powerstrip or nvidia tools or ati tools) to eliminate the overscan. Yes, this introduces a bit of scaling, but:
-even without the perfect 1:1 mapping, the resultant image looks good from a viewing distance.
-generally, for 1080p, viewing distance is far enough that it's impossible to distinguish individual pixels
-generally, for 1080p, viewing distance is too far to use the setup as a nominal PC monitor comfortably.
-Unless you're watching bluray or hd-dvd, you're not outputting 1080p content from the PC to the display. For argument's sake let's assume you're putting out 480p-720p range material. With the scaling going on in software before the video signal is output at 1080p (or ~almost~ 1080p to get around overscan) having 1:1 pixel mapping doesn't matter: there's scaling going on already with the resizing.
-to be truthful, the colorspace problem (0-255 vs 16-235) affects image quality significantly more than not having 1:1
Colorspace makes a huge difference. Although it can be accounted for fairly decently if you have good control over the contrast/brightness of your TV.
If you use the TV for any type of PC use (other than video) which uses standard size text...I still feel that 1:1 pixel mapping pretty important.
Also...if I'm going to go through the trouble of setting up my HTPC for the best image quality as I can get...I don't really like the idea of the TV scaling that image and messing up the image I just spent a lot of time tweaking. Probably anal and maybe not even noticeable. But it just bugs me all the same.
lexx_kun 01-30-07, 03:19 AM Mmm, it bugged me too...until I logged about 10 hours watching 720p & fansubbed anime from my PC on a KDS-55A2000 (hdmi, underscanned 1080p).
From the 8-10 feet distance, it looks great. And to be honest, I've yet to find an HDTV that does good double duty as a PC monitor. To be frank, a 20 to 24" LCD *monitor* serves far better.
nearly zer0 02-07-07, 01:02 PM This is taken from others' experiences over at the slickdeals forums
"It will do 1:1 DVI->HDMI if you set your refresh rate @ 60hz"
2 people have both said this, no one has disputed it yet, can anyone with this tv confirm this, im about to buy it and wanted to make sure.
lol, that was actually me on slickdeals. I own the 4095d set and this is a true statement for my setup. There is a problem i noticed however with small artifacts (i'm not sure what the a/v world calls these, but little video glitches of a few pixles or lines) with this setting.
On that note i just got off the phone with Samsung and they are working on a firmware update for this set that will allow "justscan" which is 1:1 pixel mapping over the HDMI. This is aparently going to be ready 3 weeks from now and will either be a file they can send you or it will require a tech to come out and flash your set.
Powerage 02-11-07, 09:47 AM On that note i just got off the phone with Samsung and they are working on a firmware update for this set that will allow "justscan" which is 1:1 pixel mapping over the HDMI. This is aparently going to be ready 3 weeks from now and will either be a file they can send you or it will require a tech to come out and flash your set.[/QUOTE]
Anyone happen to know the colorspace range 0-255 or 16-235 of the 4095d HDMI?
MitsuDude 02-11-07, 01:53 PM The Mitsu 46131 does 1:1 over DVI.
bobn4burton 02-12-07, 02:54 AM The Mitsu 46131 does 1:1 over DVI.
added to list...
kevin_barr 03-02-07, 05:05 PM the reason I chose the Sony XBR2 is because of how fantastic the PC input is. 1920 x 1080p on a DB15 analog PC cable, with NONE of the over scanning (true 1:1 pixel mapping) or limited contrast issue (black is set to 0 out of 255 instead of 15 which i think is the normal HDMI lowest black) of other PC/TV combos displays. This is still pretty rare, even with the latest big LCDs. Even the tiniest fonts are sharp enough to make your eyes bleed, and the separation of dark greys is almost as good as a plasma...
So when people in this thread give up on the Sony because of the possible clouding issue (which I do not have), are they recommending other models with this good of a PC input?
These Pioneer's will provide Dot by Dot in PC mode using a VGA cable except for XGA signals:
Pioneer PDP-4270HD, PDP-5070HD, PDP-6070HD
Pioneer Elite PRO-940HD, PRO-1140HD, PRO-1540HD
bobn4burton 03-07-07, 11:52 PM These Pioneer's will provide Dot by Dot in PC mode using a VGA cable except for XGA signals:
Pioneer PDP-4270HD, PDP-5070HD, PDP-6070HD
Pioneer Elite PRO-940HD, PRO-1140HD, PRO-1540HD
added...
Thanks. By the way you now have the 1140 listed twice.
bobn4burton 03-08-07, 01:26 AM Thanks. By the way you now have the 1140 listed twice.
Oops...missed that! Fixed.
Janizary 03-30-07, 02:10 PM Anyone know about 1:1 on the Sony KLV-40U100M monitor?
is there anyway to get 1:1 pixel mapping if your tv does not support it? there is no documentation on my 1080p panel supporting it ethier way, but i have to downscale to fit it into the tv, so i'm guessing it doesn't naturally support 1:1 pixel mapping.
cheers
ZippyBongHits 05-06-07, 11:45 PM All these Samsung plasma models do 1:1 over the VGA input. HP-T4254/4264/4234/5054/5064/5034.
paradigm20s 05-07-07, 12:20 AM Not sure if it matters for the list but I dont think any of the 50" and 60" pioneers( Pioneer PDP-5070HD, PDP-6070HD
Pioneer Elite PRO-940HD, PRO-1140HD, PRO-1540HD)on the list will do 1:1 pixel mapping at their native resolutions. They all leave unused rows of pixels at max resolution. They will do 1:1 with lower resolutions and put a border around the image. These sets do not accept their native resolution in any input form I believe. The exception would be the Fhd-1 and I am not sure about the smaller sets. This could be of some importance to some people as leaving unused rows of pixels or borders for long periods of time might not be all that good for your plasma.
bobn4burton 05-07-07, 02:35 PM All these Samsung plasma models do 1:1 over the VGA input. HP-T4254/4264/4234/5054/5064/5034.
Added to the list...
RobertR1 05-07-07, 03:06 PM Not sure if it matters for the list but I dont think any of the 50" and 60" pioneers( Pioneer PDP-5070HD, PDP-6070HD
Pioneer Elite PRO-940HD, PRO-1140HD, PRO-1540HD)on the list will do 1:1 pixel mapping at their native resolutions. They all leave unused rows of pixels at max resolution. They will do 1:1 with lower resolutions and put a border around the image. These sets do not accept their native resolution in any input form I believe. The exception would be the Fhd-1 and I am not sure about the smaller sets. This could be of some importance to some people as leaving unused rows of pixels or borders for long periods of time might not be all that good for your plasma.
http://www.clevelandplasma.com/cms_files/File/PDP-6070.pdf
According to this, it does.
No, according to the spec sheet it does "Dot by Dot" for PC (same as 1:1), but it does not state that it will do 1:1 with a 1365 X 768 resolution. What paradigm20s is talking about is that it only does 1:1 with a 1360 X 768 resolution - which is still acceptable for me. The "missing" 5 columns do not bother me.
While all Pioneers will display 1:1, the PRO-FHD1 is the only Pioneer which will do 1:1 at it's full native resolution of 1920 X 1080.
alexno1 05-08-07, 12:18 AM I set my computer to 1920x 1080 and tested my Sony KDL-40V2500 with DVI/HDMI cable
Settings -> Screen -> Display Area -> Full Pixel
I kept getting blank screen? did I do anything wrong or does the KDL-40V2500 doesnt support that 1:1 at 1080p?
Welcome to the forum alexno1.
For your question you should find a thread that deals with your tv, you will get better help that way. If you can't find a thread specific to that display, start a new thread. This thread is intended to list tv's that support 1:1, not for troubleshooting.
creemail 06-23-07, 11:37 PM PLASMA:
Panasonic HP-T4254, VGA, ??, ??
Panasonic HP-T4264, VGA, ??, ??
Panasonic HP-T4234, VGA, ??, ??
Panasonic HP-T5054, VGA, ??, ??
Panasonic HP-T5064, VGA, ??, ??
Panasonic HP-T5034, VGA, ??, ??
LCD:
Great job on releasing this info to the forum. However, I have never heard of the Panasonic models before. Although I under that these are Samsung model numbers. Correct?
Chris
MountAVision.com
bobn4burton 06-25-07, 01:44 AM Great job on releasing this info to the forum. However, I have never heard of the Panasonic models before. Although I under that these are Samsung model numbers. Correct?
Chris
MountAVision.com
Oops... not sure how I messed that one up. Fixed in the list...
Can anyone tell me if the Panasonic TH-58PX60U Plasma display will do 1:1 mapping over HDMI? My purpose is for use with a video processor and I am trying to determine if this plasma will support 1:1 mapping based on the settings I can drive from a DVDO VP20.
Best Regards,
Rob
lexx_kun 07-03-07, 04:29 PM 60U won't do 1:1. 600U will.
60U won't do 1:1. 600U will.
I had researched the differences between the 60U and 600U and this one NEVER came up. That is a significant difference. Did you get this confirmed directly from Panasonic? Do you know if it will accept 1:1 mapping over HDMI or is it only with the VGA input?
Rob
Sharp LC-32d50u.
PC hooked up via DVI, running 1360x768 with Dot by Dot Mode.
bobn4burton 08-21-07, 12:14 AM Added to list...
jmallory 08-21-07, 07:00 AM LG 50" Plasma 50PX1D 1360x768 (Velocity Micro Cinemagix Grand Theatre with Nvidia 8800 Series card, latest drivers) over the HDMI/DVI input
magnetx 08-21-07, 12:03 PM hi,
any help would be appreciated on this matter..
thans in advance..
Nick Burns 08-22-07, 11:44 PM What? No DLPs?
Both Sharp LC-52XD1E and LC-46XD1E support "dot-for-dot" 1080p by manual setting.
In "Wide modes" menu select "Underscan"
(If "Full" is selected, the image is croped)
The default is Full.
I tested on EXT 6 terminal (HDMI)
Extract from the manual:
Full: Display with the Overscan image. Crop all sides of
screen.
Underscan: Display with the underscan image.
(Display with the High-Definition image compressed
optimally. Noise may appear on the edge of the screen
with some programmes.)
This TV is some 3 year old, but I decided to post anyways:
Samsung LTP468W does support "1 for 1" on DVI port only when supplied with 1080p. However, the timing must be "reduced blanking" - 138.63MHz instead of the standard CE format with full blanking - 148.5 MHz
HDMI port supports max 1080i and does overscan (crop all sides) when supplied with 1080i or 720p
The natural resolution of this set is 1920x1080, and when supplied with 720p it overscans (both HDMI and DVI)
When I try to feed 1080p over HDMI port, it is scaled to 1280x1024 and no cropping...
bobn4burton 09-17-07, 05:38 PM list updated...
Hal900x 09-22-07, 03:58 PM The entire new Regza line supports it..."Native Mode"
bobn4burton 09-22-07, 08:15 PM The entire new Regza line supports it..."Native Mode"
Sorry, I'm not familiar with the 'Regza' line. What brand? LCD/PLASMA?
regza line is from toshiba. great post btw, im in the market for a tv that'll double up as a decent monitor.
All XXPFL7422D and XXPFL7432D models (1080p LCD) from Philips where XX = 42,47 or 52 do 1:1 pixel mapping, HDMI input, select "Unscaled" in Format menu.
bobn4burton 09-26-07, 12:52 AM All XXPFL7422D and XXPFL7432D models (1080p LCD) from Philips where XX = 42,47 or 52 do 1:1 pixel mapping, HDMI input, select "Unscaled" in Format menu.
Added to the list, thanks!
poraxan 10-04-07, 02:44 PM The entire new Regza line supports it..."Native Mode"Looking at the Toshiba Regza manual for the 177 model, it only supports it through HDMI. Using the PC input maxes you out at 1024 x 768, well short of the 1920 x 1080.
tower101 10-04-07, 03:58 PM You can add a Panasonic 50PZ77U, 1080 over HDMI, setting HD size2. That would go for the 42PZ77u, 50pz700u and the 42pz700u as well.
HailTheHD 10-05-07, 12:02 PM For me when I use full pixel for my XBOX 360 Elite hooked up to my KDL-52XBR2 via HDMI, the edges look a look a little rough. Like the picture is under scanned.
joewagner501 10-08-07, 11:19 AM Just a quick thought. Do these TVs offer the ability to enter the BIOS as well? Or do you not see the post screen of the HTPCs?
lexx_kun 10-08-07, 02:49 PM Typically a PC's behavior will be to output video (lower than VGA res i think) to all outputs at boot time. The vast majority of current-day TVs will be able to handle displaying such a signal. So yes, you should be able to use an HDTV as a display to muck around in your PC's BIOS.
joewagner501 10-08-07, 05:20 PM You would think that is the case but sadly it isn't. Which is why I asked. My old DLP didn't show the post and my new TV will show it on the DVI input but not the HDMI.
bobn4burton 10-09-07, 12:56 AM List update...
michael1996 10-09-07, 09:55 PM Does Westinghouse TX Series ( TX-42F430S, TX-47F430S ) support it?
thanks
dizzy0113 10-10-07, 12:12 PM Sharp Aquos 46D92U DVI connection - Dot by Dot mode 1920 x 1080p
I also have read in other forums that the Sharp Aquos 46D64U works in dot by dot over HDMI, but I went with the 92U instead which Im using right now to type on the forum :)
lexx_kun 10-10-07, 04:03 PM In answer to a previous question asking about DLPs:
DLP, SXRD, D-ILA, and RP-LCD:
Rear projection technologies generally cannot do "dot for dot". They typically don't use software overscanning, but the image they throw is typically 2-5% larger than the boundaries of the glass frame it hits. So they DO "dot for dot" but those dots are hidden behind the edges of the frame.
Note: this limitation does not exist with front projectors, only RPTV sets.
bobn4burton 10-15-07, 12:46 PM small list update...
Hal900x 10-15-07, 03:37 PM Panasonic TH-50PZ750U
Currently using Component, although should work for HDMI as well
Picture settings/other settings/Size 2
Note: 1:1 on this set only applies to it's native rez (1080p). You cannot get it to display, say, a 1280x720 window in the middle of your screen. You can only remove the 5% overscan of a 1080p signal. So I would put this and most other Panny sets in the "sort of" category.
bobn4burton 10-21-07, 01:15 AM Note: 1:1 on this set only applies to it's native rez (1080p). You cannot get it to display, say, a 1280x720 window in the middle of your screen. You can only remove the 5% overscan of a 1080p signal. So I would put this and most other Panny sets in the "sort of" category.
I think we have pretty much assumed this with the current list. Added your set to the list...thanks!
I am able to get 1:1 for 1360x768 on VGA and HDMI with my Pioneer PDP-5080HD with a small black line down the side of the screen. I do wish there was a way to input a custom resolution though of 1365x768 or 1368x768 but it does not seem like the Pioneer will accept it. Any other plasma owners using this resolution? Should I be worried about that black line? You can not see it unless your face is literally inches from the screen.
EscapeVelocity 10-21-07, 01:16 PM Vizio GV42LF and VU42LF 480 and 1080, 1x1 pixel mapping, no overscan, I believe.
bobn4burton 10-28-07, 01:24 AM Vizio GV42LF and VU42LF 480 and 1080, 1x1 pixel mapping, no overscan, I believe.
Is that using vga or HDMI or both?
Model number
Connection used for 1:1 mapping (DVI, HDMI, VGA)
Color Mapping
Any possible tricks to get it to work
Samsung
FP-T5084, HDMI/VGA, Just Scan
FP-T5884, HDMI/VGA, Just Scan
FP-T6374, HDMI/VGA, Just Scan
geharvey 11-26-07, 07:26 PM I have owned Olevia LT37HVE LCD for several years connected to Comcast Motorola cable box. No problem with component connection, but DVI connection results in horizontal overscan lines along top of screen on some [but not all] channels. I was told by Olevia tech it was common to sets which could be used as computer monitor. Apparently it is not an issue with satellite. Can eliminate by zooming but that's not ideal viewing, so I just use component.
I am considering purchase of Panasonic 50 inch plasma monitor [I think it's the TH-50PHD9UK model] and installing HDMI module. Still using Comcast.
Does anyone know whether overscan would still be an issue on this Panasonic monitor?
Thanks
bplewis24 11-27-07, 02:51 AM You can add the XBR4/5 lineup to this list. As far as I know the 40-52" models support it on 1080i/p source material. I don't know if the 32" model supports it, and I would doubt it since it's a 720p native resolution TV. Works on both component and HDMI.
Home->Settings->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Brandon
bobn4burton 12-03-07, 11:55 PM List updated....
SpiderX1016 12-09-07, 02:59 PM My Olevia 232v has 1:1 just like the other Olevia LCDs, Push Aspect button on Remote until 1:1 or Menu > Screen > Aspect Ratio > Choose 1:1
chrisherbert 12-12-07, 02:11 PM Vizio VP42 Plasma supports pixel mapping over VGA and HDMI
My JVC 46FN97 1080p does 1:1 with 1080i sources from tuner, HDMI and component inputs using the Full Native aspect ratio. I believe there are other 1080p models which also have that aspect ratio option.
bobn4burton 12-13-07, 09:32 AM Another list update...
chrisherbert 12-13-07, 11:23 AM Hannspree XV 32 LCD will do pixel mapping over VGA and HDMI
spincut 12-13-07, 05:27 PM why do you have the Pioneer 4270 listed but not the 4280?
krosselle 12-13-07, 11:06 PM Panasonic
TH-42PX600U
PC Input (VGA) - 1024x768 1:1 pixel mapping
I could not get 1:1 pixel mapping on the HDMI ports. This may be due to the EDID reporting only 1280x720@60Hz and 1920x1080@60Hz as valid discrete timings. Besides I'd like to use the dang thing instead of playing with PowerStrip all day long ;)
P.S. Doing the 1:1 pixel mapping test cause the display to hum noticeable... using a black background causes blessed silence.
TIPS:
1) Although the TV supports 1024x768 @60/70/75/85Hz, use 60Hz. Try the others and see why.
2) Disable ClearType fonts in both XP and IE7, otherwise you'll think you broke something and that everyone who recommends 1:1 pixel mapping for read-ability is cross-eyed.
2a) Make the Font Size 'Large' in XP, and the Text Size 'Larger' in IE7
3) Remember 720p is 1280x720, so if you are using this for a HTPC and video viewing, 1:1 pixel mapping and 1024x768 may not be the best viewing resolution.
4) Hook your HTPC up with both VGA and HDMI (clone mode). Switch between the two based on what you are doing, VGA/Web browsing and HDMI/Movie viewing. On my Radeon 3850, I use 'Scale image to full panel size' on the HDMI connection, which sends a 1920x1080@60Hz (1080p) signal to the television. The 42PX600U does not show a true 1080p picture (I believe it is downscaled to 720p, but the Panasonic reps can't tell me for sure), but it stills looks great.
bobn4burton 12-13-07, 11:16 PM why do you have the Pioneer 4270 listed but not the 4280?
I don't have time to research every model out there...so I am relying solely on the feedback from users in this thread. From your reply I assume the 4280 is also capable of 1:1 pixel mapping? I added it to the list.
bobn4burton 12-13-07, 11:19 PM I could not get 1:1 pixel mapping on the HDMI ports. This may be due to the EDID reporting only 1280x720@60Hz and 1920x1080@60Hz as valid discrete timings. Besides I'd like to use the dang thing instead of playing with PowerStrip all day long ;)
Not sure how similar the 42 is to the 65, but a previous user said 1:1 mapping was possible by selecing the "size2" option???? Not sure what or where that option is located, but I guess you could look into it if you wanted.
spincut 12-17-07, 11:09 AM I don't have time to research every model out there...so I am relying solely on the feedback from users in this thread. From your reply I assume the 4280 is also capable of 1:1 pixel mapping? I added it to the list.
well it's the next gen model, if you confirmed 4270 has it then i dont know why they would remove it the next generation.
Although i'm told it does have the feature over HDMI it apparently degrades picture quality, i dont think 1080p tv's have that caveat
albiemanmike 12-20-07, 10:29 PM Have not read every page but with DVI to HDMI on my Panasonic TH-50PZ77U it displayed the 1920 X 1080 output from the Radeon 9550 without a hiccup. No other way to test as the 77U only has HDMI for possible PC input unless you have a video card that can output over component which i do not.
SpiderX1016 12-21-07, 07:27 PM My Olevia 232v has 1:1 just like the other Olevia LCDs, Push Aspect button on Remote until 1:1 or Menu > Screen > Aspect Ratio > Choose 1:1
and it works on HDMI, Tuner, Didn't test anything else but I'm pretty sure VGA would have it.
Barry928 12-22-07, 09:09 AM To 1:1 pixel map this panel use an HDMI input.
- from Menu, go to Option > Input Label > set as “PC”
I know this sounds strange but changing the label to “PC” actually switches the internal scaler into bypass mode. Verified with a Lumagen HDQ 1 pixel horizontal and vertical test pattern at 1080p/60.
bobn4burton 01-14-08, 11:47 PM List updated...
smokenz 01-17-08, 01:32 PM Haven't seen it listed here, but found out in other places.
Pioneer 5080HD supports it with VGA and HDMI. VGA use the PC Input.
For HDMI, within the HDMI input menu go to Option, HDMI Input, change Video to PC. This will do 1:1 map emulation with 720p/1080i/1080p sent from a PS3. Haven't tried 480p on it. It also recognizes if the signal is 60hz or 24hz sent from a bluray in this mode.
bobn4burton 01-20-08, 07:35 PM This will do 1:1 map emulation with 720p/1080i/1080p sent from a PS3.
I believe the 5080HD is a 1366x768 plasma panel. It is not possible to have 1:1 pixel mapping with either 1080i or 1080p video input. Please refer to the first post and make sure you understand exactly what "1:1 pixel mapping" means relevant to the context of this thread...
This set may do 1366x768 1:1 pixel mapping, if so let me know and I'll add it to the list. It's also possible to do lower resolution (anything lower than 1366x768) 1:1 pixel mapping...however, for a set do 1:1 pixel mapping for any resolution lower than its native resolution, you will see black bars around your image/picture.
smokenz 01-21-08, 02:42 AM I believe the 5080HD is a 1366x768 plasma panel. It is not possible to have 1:1 pixel mapping with either 1080i or 1080p video input. Please refer to the first post and make sure you understand exactly what "1:1 pixel mapping" means relevant to the context of this thread...
This set may do 1366x768 1:1 pixel mapping, if so let me know and I'll add it to the list. It's also possible to do lower resolution (anything lower than 1366x768) 1:1 pixel mapping...however, for a set do 1:1 pixel mapping for any resolution lower than its native resolution, you will see black bars around your image/picture.
I know what 1:1 pixel mapping is and the proper way is as you say if it did 1366x768 to match the pixels.
You should also have a section that perhaps talks about overscanning for the TV's. That is more important for TV's I think, because 1:1 pixel mapping with 1080p video was set up so you could get a 0% overscan when feeding the TV a 1080p HD movie.
This was always a good feature to me because what you notice is alot of content you have on your set is being overscanned and you miss some detail around the edges. If you get a 0% overscan feature, which in theory is an emulation of 1:1 pixel mapping, that is perfect for movie and game lovers.
I can put some pictures up to show the difference it makes with games etc.
Remember 1:1 pixel mapping is only HALF the battle... You also want the color space to match.
PC's put out R,G,B in a 0-255 range, where black =0 and white=255.
Video devices, PVRS, DVDs, etc output a smaller range where black = 16 and white = 235.
Very good point. Another part of the battle is image "enhancement". A lot of displays run filters (eg. edge enhancement, contrast filters) which lower image quality.
Ideally what HTPC users want are large LCD monitors.. No messing with the input, no speakers, no tuners etc.
The best way to get this (currently) is to use the RGB input, which is still treated like a PC source in most cases.
But yes, 1:1 pixel mapping is one of the larger stepping stones to better image quality.
coltsfreak18 01-29-08, 04:20 PM the pioneer 5010, 6010, 110, 150 (not sure about the 720p models like the 5080). They are in dot-by-dot. I dont know which imputs it can do it over
Piter_neo 02-18-08, 09:58 AM I have very important question.
Can I achieve 1:1 pixel mapping by hdmi on e.g. PS3 or X360? I mean, can I have perfect 1280x720 on lcd with 1366x768 resolution, so I'll get picture with black frame, black stripes on sides and top/bottom?
I managed to get my Soniq 32" LCD (QV320H) working with 1:1 over HDMI.
Using an nVidia 8600GTS, I unticked "Treat as HDTV" and added a custom resolution of 1360x768. (Everything else left as default)
The pixel mapping was 100% perfect, although there is a 6-pixel column running along the RHS of the screen (Where the 6 'missing' pixels are duplicates of the values at column 1360)
Also, there is unforunately still some slight edge enhancement being done to the image. This can be minimised by centering the 'Sharpness' slider in the menu (I set to 10 out of 20, though maybe 9 is best - it's hard to say)
bobn4burton 02-26-08, 12:58 AM Small list update and bump...
I also have a Sharp LC42PD7X (Australia) which may be the same unit as the 42D62U.
Perfect as a monitor over DVI-D. Set the WIDE mode to "dot for dot", AV mode to "PC" and sharpness to -10 (min).
No HDCP hassles either.
I have very important question.
Can I achieve 1:1 pixel mapping by hdmi on e.g. PS3 or X360? I mean, can I have perfect 1280x720 on lcd with 1366x768 resolution, so I'll get picture with black frame, black stripes on sides and top/bottom?
For any 720p source, it depends on the TV, as you have seen in this thread.
Specifically:
The Xbox360 supports 1360x768 over VGA, and should work properly on any 1366x768 TV listed here as "supporting 1:1 mapping" over the VGA input. I am not sure if it is capable of 136?x768 resolutions over HDMI, but I believe it is limited to the standards of 480i/p, 720p, and 1080i/p.
I do not think the PS3 supports anything other than the standards of 480i/p, 720p, and 1080i/p, so it will either be displayed scaled, or in a window on 136?x768 sets.
would be nice to expand this list to include projectors too.. even though i've never seen projectors with 136?x768 panels, they still have the same quality-reduction features found on most TVs.
bobn4burton 04-23-08, 04:40 PM would be nice to expand this list to include projectors too.. even though i've never seen projectors with 136?x768 panels, they still have the same quality-reduction features found on most TVs.
I'm open to adding projectors to the list. If anyone wants to reply with projector details...I'll add it to the list in the first post.
jarablue 04-28-08, 12:54 AM Do any of these sets below do 1:1? I would like to purchase this, this Wed. Any of you guys have an idea? I am looking to spend a max of 1k. I just have no idea how to find 1:1 info out. Thanks!
Well I copied my post from another forum...here it is....
Well I am about to click away 1k for this set as my desktop PC LCD, what do you guys think?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889210058
Seems everyone on newegg is giving it good reviews. My questions are...does this thing have 1:1 PM? And where can I find that info at?
I will be sitting 3ft from my display now. I was thinking of going with the sceptre 42 inch but I don't know. This thing looks sleek. What do you guys think?
My budget is max flat 1k, and these are the runner ups....
2nd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824112180
3rd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889253118 I really have no info on this one but it looks tasty...maybe a 2nd choicer as well...
4th: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889104087R Hmmm whats that you say? Perfect pixel? Does that somehow relate to kick ass desktop image? Hmmmm looks very tasty and sleek....
I'm open to adding projectors to the list. If anyone wants to reply with projector details...I'll add it to the list in the first post.
Well I can definately say my Panasonic AE-700 can *NOT* do 1:1.. <Shakes fist>
From what I've looked at (no first hand experience - this comes from manuals and user reports), the BenQ W5000/W20000 can (unless you're running 1.08 firmware), the Sharp XVZ21000 can and the Marantz VP15s1 can too.
bobn4burton 05-02-08, 02:13 AM Added spot for projectors...
Sony KDL-40W4100, HDMI or VGA or component, ??, Home->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
bobn4burton 05-13-08, 04:04 PM Sony KDL-40W4100, HDMI or VGA or component, ??, Home->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
Thanks...added to list. **and even in the correct format!! :D
ZBoomer 05-13-08, 05:16 PM Don't see it on your list, but the Pioneer PDP-5010FD and PDP-6010FD both do 1:1 mapping over HDMI.
MrCyberdude 05-21-08, 01:38 PM Benq G2400 24inch Widescreen LCD monitor, 1920x1200, 5ms, 16.7M, Brightness 250cd/㎡, Contrast Ratio 1000:1, D-sub/DVI-D/HDMI
has 1:1 pixel mapping available under its display menu option, tested in shop and worked.
Also Viewsonic vx2835wm 28inch Widescreen LCD monitor, 1920x1200, 3ms(grey to grey), 16.7M, Brightness 500cd/㎡, Contrast Ratio 800:1, D-sub, HDMI, Component(RGB) and Composite has 1:1 and i was quite happy with quality, price and size with it so i purchased it.
A very AMAZING and useful link for LCD monitors etc
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2049206
25.5": DoubleSight DS-263N, 1920x1200 (16:10)
Panel: WG H-IPS (LG.Philips LM260WU1); true 8-bit, 16.7M colors
Image Delay (rt+lag): <1 frame (thank you ToastyX of HardForum)
Specifications: DoubleSight DS-263N
HDCP Compliant: Yes
Notes: Quite possibly best value on the market. High quality H-IPS panel with good implementation. Good screen uniformity. Very similar to PX2611W but cheaper. Low input lag, good response! Scaling options (1:1, 4:3, fill) available. Some known to have A-TW polarizer.
Price: ~$700 USD
I'm Still Not sure this is the best place for this post, but as i couldn't find a better place here it is.
If there is a better place to post let me know or ask Mod to move.
cabinboyyo 07-20-08, 09:40 AM We are trying to find out about this unit and unless I missed it in the documentation, I just don't know. Since this will be used as a monitor also, 1:1 is critical to me. Thanks!
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14328969#post14328969
I don't see anything about the Samsung LNxxA550, 650, 750 series on the original list. From what I've read they all support the "Just Scan" feature which is essentially 1:1 pixel mapping. Am I misunderstanding something or do these TV's need to be added to the list?
bobn4burton 07-23-08, 01:42 AM I don't see anything about the Samsung LNxxA550, 650, 750 series on the original list. From what I've read they all support the "Just Scan" feature which is essentially 1:1 pixel mapping. Am I misunderstanding something or do these TV's need to be added to the list?
They need to be added...this list is by no means comprehensive. I'm just relying on the feedback from forum members to populate the list...
It is slowly growing though! :)
ExcelonGT 07-23-08, 10:08 AM thanks for this tip!!
it works on mitsubishi LT-46244
I was really starting to have buyers remorse when i found out there was overscan with my Vista Media Center. setting to PC mode fixed the problem
ExcelonGT 07-23-08, 10:09 AM To 1:1 pixel map this panel use an HDMI input.
- from Menu, go to Option > Input Label > set as “PC”
I know this sounds strange but changing the label to “PC” actually switches the internal scaler into bypass mode. Verified with a Lumagen HDQ 1 pixel horizontal and vertical test pattern at 1080p/60.
thanks for this tip!!
it works on mitsubishi LT-46244
I was really starting to have buyers remorse when i found out there was overscan with my Vista Media Center. setting to PC mode fixed the problem
Anyone know about the current Vizio XVT series (SV470XVT & SV420XVT) and if they do over hdmi? Thanks.
puppypilgrim 01-09-09, 02:36 PM 50 inch LG 50PG25 plasma TV with a native resolution of 1356x768.
I have a Dell media computer running GeForce 9300, Forceware 175.56 running Microsoft Windows Vista SP1 and DirectX 10. The default resolution chosen by the computer was 1280x720 (aspect ratio 1.78). This resulted in some video scaling and a small black border around the screen.
Using the Nvidia Control Panel > Display > Manage Custom Resolutions, I was able to create a custom resolution of 1360x768 (aspect ratio 1.78). You do lose 5 vertical columns of pixels in the process because 1365 and 1366 cannot be evenly divided by 8 whereas 1360/8 = 170.
I report that using Windows Media Center to view standard definition (480) DVDs results in near HD quality. You have to calibrate WMC to your display of course.
lyrebird 02-03-09, 01:41 PM edit:
Sony KDL-52V4100, HDMI or VGA, ??, Home->Screen->Display Area->Full Pixel
did not try component though.
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