Laminate Screens Showcase

[wbassett]

The main thread is starting to get too big to easily find certain things. I try to make links on the first post to any major events or findings, but not everyone checks the first post that often so sometimes things get over looked.

There have been a lot of requests for a separate thread showing actual screens and setups. This is an excellent idea and a way for people to show their pride and what they have done.

I would like to keep this thread to just showcases and the people posting screen showcases can field questions from others as to what went into their setup, how well they like the screen, what projector they use-- things of that nature. I ask though that if there are specific questions about the laminates itself, testing, or overall comments or questions that relate to the development of them as a screen and not directly to those showing their Home Theater setups be asked in the main laminate thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=708240). It's too hard to keep two threads in sync with the technical items and answering questions, and something could get over looked. There is no other reason than that for making this request.

I also ask that we keep this showcase just to laminates. It doesn't matter if it's Wilsonart, Pionite, Formica... I have no vested interest in one particular brand, but seeing that there are a multitude of threads devoted to screen shots and HT setups for other methods, anyone with setups other than laminates have plenty of threads to post their shots in.

Here is one to start, and there are many nice examples--this is just one. It also shows that laminates are not just for budget screens and people that can't afford a commercial screen-- most that are going with the laminates chose them for their durability as well as their performance and they could very well have went with a commercial screen. Other's may have initially decided to go this route as a temporary solution after spending a lot of money on a projector, and then discovered this is a very nice and simple solution.

So anyone that answered up to the role call (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8675842&&#post8675842), feel free to post your images here. Anyone that didn't answer up but wants to show their creation and give their impressions, feel free to post and tell us all what you think.

Was finally able to have the wife take some pictures of our theater. We finished the project about a month ago and went with the DW screen after reading this thread. As I mentioned in my previous posts, I mounted the laminate to a frame I built and hung it on the wall, overlapping the cut edge of the velvet on the wall.

Looking into theater from wine room.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f42/tracytramonte/Basementpix114.jpg

Entering theater.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f42/tracytramonte/Basementpix112.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f42/tracytramonte/Basementpix111.jpg

Love our Coater Studios from Serge at HTAuthority! (looking back from screen)
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f42/tracytramonte/Basementpix107.jpg

DW laminate 110" screen mounted on frame and hung on wall (overlapping black velvet)
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f42/tracytramonte/Basementpix104.jpg

Theater with some of our mood lighting on. :D
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f42/tracytramonte/Basementpix101.jpg
(puck is taking some more pictures and when he has those ready he said he will post them here, at that time I will remove this from the first post. I just wanted a nice example to start off with and puck certainly has a nice setup.)

[puck16]

It's great to see the laminate screen get some recognition. I learned the idea to use laminate on this forum and I'm excited to have Bill show my theater to it's members. I took a couple of screen shots while watching football yesterday. It's the HD Sunday Ticket broadcast. The PJ is a Sharp XR-10X and the screen is Wilsonart DW mounted on a frame made of 1x4 Poplar.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f42/tracytramonte/Halloweenpartyatdaycareplusscree-1.jpg

(this shot has the headrest of one of the theater seats in the way)
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f42/tracytramonte/Halloweenpartyatdaycareplusscreensh.jpg

[oman321]

wbassett, thanks for getting this thread going. I've been looking forward to it.

puck16 those pics looks great, was your room totally dark when you took those or did you have some of the lights on? If you did, which ones, sconces, recessed, lounge room?

Your screen is recessed a fair amount and in the last pic that wbassett pasted over you only have the sconces and rope lighting on and it seems that the screen area is notably darker and would allow for some good mood lighting if need be.

Let's see some more pics from other Laminate users out there setup and screenshots.

[puck16]

My room was dark for the two shots I took. However, most of the time we use the theater we have the sconces and rope lights on a low setting. I attribute this to two reasons- 1. the Sharp XR-10X's ability to perform with ambient light and 2. the recessed nature of our screen setup. PQ is still great even with moderate ambient light, however it's best when the room is completely dark.

~puck

[Clarence]

My XBox360 HD-DVD player arrived yesterday, so I took a few pictures with my Wilsonart DW laminate screen.

Screen size: 108" x 61" (9 feet wide 16:9)
Projector: Sony G90 CRT at 1080P

All lights on in my HT... 3 rows of recessed lights, plus 4 sconces:
http://crtforum.com/img/wilsonart10.jpg

All lights on except for the 2 recessed lights in front of the screen:
http://crtforum.com/img/wilsonart11.jpg

[wbassett]

Two whoohoos... nice theater setup Clarence, I think this is the first time I saw more than just the screen.

Second whoohoo... you got the HD DVD add on, very nice toy :) (and toy was said as a good thing!)

[Clarence]

I made a calibration HD-DVD and perfected the aspect ratio tonight...

MI:2 at over 9' wide :eek:

http://crtforum.com/img/mi2-1.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/mi2-2.jpg

[Sdallnct]

wbassett,

I curious about your set up: do you have good site lines from the 2nd row of seating? I have 2 rows of seating and I'm a little concerned about making my screen so big the 2nd row would not be able to see the bottom of the the screen. Yet your screen goes very low and it doesn't look like you have that much more clearence then I do from the 1st/2nd rows.
Just curious how it works for you.

[Sdallnct]

clarence, those are some incredible screen shots. What color laminate are you using?

edit: Ok I'm dumb...I was so impressed with the pic's I didn't notice you said DW.

[Person99]

clarence, those are some incredible screen shots. What color laminate are you using?

The magic is his PJ, not the laminate. ;)

[Clarence]

The magic is his PJ, not the laminate. ;)I agree with Dave. There's a lot of truth to that. I think this G90 would look good shining on a brown lunch bag. :)

Here are some images from my previous Kilz2 "screen"... painted drywall that I never intended to use as a screen, I just primed my wall during construction and it took me another year to get around to building a better screen.

This is Kilz2:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8386/g90cliff58cz.png

http://crtforum.com/img/hdp-eye.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/hdp-iceage2.jpg

There's very little about screen quality that you can really discern from a non-comparative screenshot. Hotspotting shows up well... does the light fade excessively at the edges with a bright glare in the middle? Despite some attempts to convince us otherwise, you can't really tell much about contrast, black levels, or ambient light handling.

But the screenshots on the first page of the main laminate thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=708240) show the improvement of Kilz2 vs Wilsonart DW laminate:

http://crtforum.com/img/wilsonart2.jpg

[Sdallnct]

While I agree that the PJ makes "the" difference, you can obviously slightly change the image depending on the screen. And my amature guess would be, the better the PJ the easier it is to see the differences in screens.

I have an HD70 on order (I know, not in the same league as a CRT), but based on reading, etc, I think I'm going to build a new screen out of Fasion Grey. Luckily I'm in Dallas and just got off the phone with the local distributor and they do stock it, so I can go in any time to pick up.

[Ericglo]

The magic is his PJ, not the laminate. ;)

That is just mean.:) Stop looking down on the digital world.:)


I have an HD70 on order (I know, not in the same league as a CRT), but based on reading, etc, I think I'm going to build a new screen out of Fasion Grey. Luckily I'm in Dallas and just got off the phone with the local distributor and they do stock it, so I can go in any time to pick up.

You could have a Barco 808 for $750. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=735786) It is located right there in Dallas. I have heard that there is a Barco owner or two in Dallas that could help with the set up.:)

If you get the Fashion Grey, then maybe you could take it to Person's place and compare it with his screen. It should provide for an interesting comparison.

[Sdallnct]

Oh no, no CRT for me. While I would love to "play with one" the only reason I got the ok for build a theater room to begin with was that once all set up, it would be very easy for the family to use. I travel a lot for work and just want it to work for the family. It's just got to work and be low or no maintenance.

[neekos]

I agree with Dave. There's a lot of truth to that. I think this G90 would look good shining on a brown lunch bag. :)

Here are some images from my previous Kilz2 "screen"... painted drywall that I never intended to use as a screen, I just primed my wall during construction and it took me another year to get around to building a better screen.

This is Kilz2:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8386/g90cliff58cz.png

http://crtforum.com/img/hdp-eye.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/hdp-iceage2.jpg

There's very little about screen quality that you can really discern from a non-comparative screenshot. Hotspotting shows up well... does the light fade excessively at the edges with a bright glare in the middle? Despite some attempts to convince us otherwise, you can't really tell much about contrast, black levels, or ambient light handling.

But the screenshots on the first page of the main laminate thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=708240) show the improvement of Kilz2 vs Wilsonart DW laminate:

http://crtforum.com/img/wilsonart2.jpg


Clarence:

which part is the DW and which is the Kilz2 on the last screen shot?

[Clarence]

which part is the DW and which is the Kilz2 on the last screen shot?Same as described when posted in the main laminate thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8247958&&#post8247958

Kilz2 on top
DW laminate on bottom

[neekos]

Thanks guys.

That's pretty impressive.

[Sdallnct]

Seriously...I can't stop looking at that Bruce Willis screen shot. That very well may be the best screen shot I have ever seen.

I know, I know, screen shots should be taken with a grain of salt. "Only to give a general idea", "good for comparison if everything else is the same", etc. But that is just a terrific pic!

[demoman99]

After some heavy reading in the DIY screen section, I finally opted to make myself a laminate screen out of DW. I just want to thank all the pioneers of all the diff. mediums for the wealth of info shared here.

My screen turned out great, and I am more than happy with the picture quality.

I thought I might share my particular application....i needed a screen that hinged down from the ceiling, due to the fact that I don't have an acceptable wall to hang it on, and it needed to be somewhat in the middle of the room.

After much thought, I decided it needed to be both rigid and light. The screen size i decided on is 98" x 54". I ended up doing a sandwich lamination consisting of wilsonart DW, then a sheet of honeycombed cardboard picked up from a packing supply house (I chose 1/2", but it is avail. up to 1" thick, I believe), with just a perimeter wood frame 1/2" thick to stiffen up the edges of the screen. on the back side, I used uncolored laminate--it's basically formica, but without the color layer. It is much lighter, thinner, yet very strong.

So overall, my screen is approx. 9/16" thick, surprisingly rigid, and very light. the sandwich is all glued together with contact adhesive.

Just a note-- it occurs to me that if someone were interested in building a curved screen, this could be done fairly easily by jigging up the components during the glueup process.

Thanks again for all the R and D shared here.

Paul

[skijunkie]

I thought I might share my particular application....i needed a screen that hinged down from the ceiling, due to the fact that I don't have an acceptable wall to hang it on, and it needed to be somewhat in the middle of the room.
Paul

Paul, can you share some pictures of how your hinged screen works? I am in the same position where my screen hangs away from the wall. I've been pondering how to swing it up and store it on the ceiling but have yet to try anything. For now I have been taking it down and storing it in another room.

[skijunkie]

I've finally updated my site with finished pictures of the screen I built using designer white. I also added some picture of it in action.

Check them out here:
http://home.austin.rr.com/karnfamily

I'm very happy with the result of the designer white laminate.

[Clarence]

I've finally updated my site with finished pictures of the screen I built using designer white. I also added some picture of it in action.

Check them out here:
http://home.austin.rr.com/karnfamily

http://home.austin.rr.com/karnfamily/Img_3325.jpg

I'm very happy with the result of the designer white laminate.Nice!

[neekos]

very nice !

[Kosty]

After some heavy reading in the DIY screen section, I finally opted to make myself a laminate screen out of DW. I just want to thank all the pioneers of all the diff. mediums for the wealth of info shared here.

My screen turned out great, and I am more than happy with the picture quality.

I thought I might share my particular application....i needed a screen that hinged down from the ceiling, due to the fact that I don't have an acceptable wall to hang it on, and it needed to be somewhat in the middle of the room.

After much thought, I decided it needed to be both rigid and light. The screen size i decided on is 98" x 54". I ended up doing a sandwich lamination consisting of wilsonart DW, then a sheet of honeycombed cardboard picked up from a packing supply house (I chose 1/2", but it is avail. up to 1" thick, I believe), with just a perimeter wood frame 1/2" thick to stiffen up the edges of the screen. on the back side, I used uncolored laminate--it's basically formica, but without the color layer. It is much lighter, thinner, yet very strong.

So overall, my screen is approx. 9/16" thick, surprisingly rigid, and very light. the sandwich is all glued together with contact adhesive.

Just a note-- it occurs to me that if someone were interested in building a curved screen, this could be done fairly easily by jigging up the components during the glueup process.

Thanks again for all the R and D shared here.

Paul thats a great mounting idea , honeycombed cardboard. that should be place in the main thread.

Any pics? How much did it cost?

[Paints]

Wow! I'm blown away. Has anyone tried this screen with the AX100? I had better re-read this and the other thread to find out where they bought the material and for how much.

[demoman99]

"thats a great mounting idea , honeycombed cardboard. that should be place in the main thread.

Any pics? How much did it cost?"

Hi Kosty and Ski junky.

I paid about the same as everyone for an 60" X 120" sheet of DW-- about 75$ from a supplier to the trades here in Portland Or. The cardboard was surprisingly expensive, about $35 for an 8' X 4' sheet 1/2" thick. Just to be clear, this isn't corrugated cardboard, but honeycombed. For my application, i figured it was worth it. It too was from a trade supplier, and they had a $50 minimum order...so I had to toss in a roll of craft paper that I didn't need and will last me forever.

Since there seems to be some interest....I started by cutting out the wood pieces that are the hard edges of the finished panel. I used 1/2" X 3" hardwood that I ran through a sander to get exactly the same thickness as the honeycombed panel. Then I cut my main sheet of DW to about 1/4" oversize in both H and W and layed it out on a very flat work table. I sprayed it with 3M contact adh, and also sprayed one side of the wood frame pieces, then attaced the frame. I had my two outside frame pieces extend beyond the top edge of the screen by 9", which is how far off my 7'6" ceiling the finished screen hangs.

Then I sprayed one side of the card board. Since the void within the wood frame pieces is taller than 48" (the height of the honeycomb cardboard), I cut some little 2"X4" strips out of the cardboard left over from the width cut, which I layed in every 12" or so to span from the bottom edge of the honeycomb panel to the top edge of the lower horizontal frame piece. Sounds complicated....basically, there is a 4" section near the bottom of my screen that is more or less hollow, but still has 1/2" material every 12" or so.

Last, I put on a layer of basic formica 'lining'....i'm not sure what it is called, but it is used to stabilize laminated surfaces on the back side of a finished surface, so that a laminated panel will not warp. It is much cheaper than finished laminate (not sure the price, I got it from a cab. maker friend....he said it was around $10/sheet). I used two sheets, seemed vertically in the middle of the screen, because this matl. is only avail in 4 X 8 sheets. Incidentally, this matl. is about 1/2 the weight of the DW, just as strong tensily, and has kind of a dull brown/rust color.

I then used a small router/laminate trimmer to flush out the laminate on both sides to the wood frame.

The whole thing was simpler than it sounds. But then again, I have access to a huge flat table, laminating tools, big table saw, thickness sander, etc. And, I am a wood worker and cabinet maker by trade.

I was going to edge cap the 1/2" edge of the finished panel with laminate, but in the end just spray painted it black, which looks nice and unobtrusive.

I also constructed a velvet border using a 1/2" plywood base. I made it in 4 pieces (the sides are full height by 3" wide, and the top and bottom pieces butt in to these. All 4 pieces are individually mounted with heavy duty self-stick velcro from Home Depot (they only had their heavy duty velcro in big rolls at $27--gulp, i have a lot left over). I wanted them removable and separate so that I could change out the top and bottom if I decided to get fancy with 2.35/1 ratio....

Last, I used hinges to mount it to the ceiling. The hinges I used have a 4" butt hinge (similar to a front door hinge) for one half of the hinge, and a narrow triangular leg for the other hinge that I through bolted to the 9" legs coming up from the top edge of my screen).

I'm still trying to figure out some way to neatly and securely latch it to the ceiling.

I'm happy. when you enter the home theater area (basically a daylight basement family room), you don't see the screen at all when it is hinged up to the ceiling as there is a beam that comes across the room, and the screen is hinged behind that.

I'm all about multi-use spaces! (although the truly dedicated HT's that I've seen in my lurking here are very, very sweet.)

Another slight issue that I have is that the screen does not hang perfectly vertical....it cants back away from the PJ an inch or so at the bottom, due to the offset of the hinge. I'm going to have to figure a way to get it canting <toward> the PJ an inch or so.

One last reason that I chose to do the honeycomb sandwich thing is because I want to be able to take it outside, and the double laminate veneer makes for a strong, stiff, flat, and moisture resistant panel. I don't know how much it weighs exactly....there is probably 20 lbs of laminate, 3 lbs of honeycomb, and maybe 8 lbs of wood frame....I can easily carry it by just gripping the top edge with both hands.

I haven't taken any pictures, but I hope to be getting the rest of the room in order this weekend....i still need to mount speakers, run cables, figure out my new Onkyo 674, get IR repeater stuff set up....when the room is less of a jumble, I'll snap a few and share.

Paul

[Clarence]

I was impressed by the PQ of the Hulk on HDDVD, so I thought I'd add some screenshots to the laminate showcase...

http://crtforum.com/img/hulk03.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/hulk05.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/hulk06.jpg

[tat2boy]

[QUOTE=Clarence]I was impressed by the PQ of the Hulk on HDDVD, so I thought I'd add some screenshots to the laminate showcase...QUOTE]

Which one's the Hulk in the last pic? Just kidding! Awesome pics! Wish my cheapy 4805 could show that kind of image... Oh well maybe in the future I can invest in a better projector.

[Sdallnct]

Nice pic's!

[Mike4AU]

Mech, good job. Where did you get your rope lights?

[Howlett]

Here are some pics of mine. It is DW 114" diagonal. My picture taking skills are not very good, so I don't have any with a projected image. The ones I did take looked horrible.

James

[rastan]

I was pretty much dead set on purchasing Carada's Classic Cinema White screen when I read the laminate thread. I figured for $72 it was worth a try. So I bought the WilsonArt Designer White screen and put it up affixing the 3 Carada samples I had from Top to Bottom, High Contrast Grey, Classic Cinema White, and Brilliant White on top of the laminate. Now, as I don't have my Panasonic PT-AX100U yet, I used a Toshiba DLP projector from work running off of my laptop to do some testing. As you can see the laminate is almost an exact match for the Classic White. While I think Carada makes the best screen available for the money, this laminate alternative is an incredible value! I'll post my final pics when I have everything setup and calibrated properly.

http://www.angscastle.com/theaterimages/toshiba_dlp_800x600_lotrbckgrnd.jpg

http://www.angscastle.com/theaterimages/toshiba_dlp_800x600_gollum.jpg

http://www.angscastle.com/theaterimages/toshiba_dlp_800x600_curious3.jpg

http://www.angscastle.com/theaterimages/toshiba_dlp_800x600_china2.jpg

[SixkillerNYC]

Here's a quick shot of my 116" DW screen.

http://www.vecci.net/images/theater/pic00002.jpg

[Paints]

What type of projector are you using sixkillerNYC?

[Clarence]

What type of projector are you using sixkillerNYC?looks like a Mitsubishi HC3000 DLP

[RnB180]

mech, can you label the images of which have the lights on and which dont?

[Ericglo]

Interesting shot, rastan. I can't see a difference between the Carada white and DW.

[mlbrand]

Rastan,

Nice comparison, it makes me want to try the DW laminate even more. It looks just as good as the Carada material. :D

I have to say that I am surprised and even skeptical that the Carada Brilliant White material isn't brighter than the Carada Cinema White, as the Brilliant White has a 1.4 gain vs. the Cinema White's 1.0 gain. Is this due to the photo limitations, or maybe the position of the Carada pieces on your screen? :confused:

[rastan]

The Brilliant White is definitely a little brighter, unfortunately, the pics I took seem to all have darker areas in that quadrant. I took the pics with a Canon PowerShot s410 with no flash and very little ambient light in the room.

Here's another pic I took where this is more visible:

http://www.angscastle.com/theaterimages/toshiba_dlp_800x600_curious2.jpg

As soon as I complete my construction, I try taking some more pics.

[SixkillerNYC]

looks like a Mitsubishi HC3000 DLP

You can tell that from the picture? :)

Yes, it's a Mits 3000.

[Clarence]

I already posted these in the HD-DVD sub-forum (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9489089&&#post9489089), but they belong in the Laminate Showcase too:
The "Ant Bully" HD-DVD finally came in the mail today. I ordered it before Christmas.

G90 CRT projector at 1080p, 9.5' wide screen (Wilsonart Designer White laminate), HD-A1 HD-DVD player:

http://crtforum.com/img/antbully1.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/antbully2.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/antbully3.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/antbully4.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/antbully5.jpg

[KingCreole]

Freakin' wow, Clarence!

That PJ you have is unreal! Those last 2 shots are unbelievable. :eek:

[wbassett]

Clarence is just a sick individual ;) He buys a $10 digital camera too that takes better screenies than $200-300 camera's lol

[Ericglo]

I know to borrow a marketing phrase "Its the mirr...G90!", but I can't get even get close with my $300 camera.:)

[mech]

WOW! Nice Clarence! Looks like I may need to get into the HD-DVD thing.

mech

[FremontRich]

Terrific shots, Clarence. I also have a DW screen, although only a 92", so I can look forward to getting my 1080p projector when I retire my HC3000!

[tlniec]

If only it were possible to shrink a Sony G90 to the size of a Mitsu HD1000U, I might be able to get approval to go the CRT route. :-)

[Clarence]

If only it were possible to shrink a Sony G90 to the size of a Mitsu HD1000U, I might be able to get approval to go the CRT route. :-)CRT is worth the weight ;)

Plus, this projector has been doing 1080P since before most of you guys knew how to spell HDTV. It has over 8,500 hours on it, still the original tubes, and hardly any visible wear... several more years of top-notch performance. No bulbs to buy. No rainbows. No screendoor effect. Deep blacks, incredible contrast.

Here's the other HD-DVD I pre-ordered back in October which finally arrived last night: the James Taylor Musicares tribute concert. I posted these screenshots in my HD-DVD review (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=773244)...

Wilsonart "Designer White" laminate (108" x 61")
(HD-A1 into Lumagen for 1080P to G90 CRT at 9' wide)...

http://crtforum.com/img/jt1.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/jt2.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/jt3.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/jt4.jpg

[SbWillie]

anybody here used both a laminate and a Doable screen?

[rastan]

These CRT images are just beautiful. It's too bad all development seems to be going to fixed pixel technology. Hopefully that development will someday in the next decade bring us image quality comparable to what good CRT's could do in the last decade!

[Ericglo]

I won't belabor this, but VDC is still developing and producing FP CRTs. One of the guys (Scott(tse)) is a member of AVS. That being said, 9" CRTs can do 1080p and some 8" CRTs can do 1080p as well. Since there is no HT source greater than 1080p, there is no need for higher resolutions. Of course, a VDC 9500 will do 2048x1536.:)

[kevivoe]

How do you ever get to 2.35:1 aspect ratio with the G90?
How do you ever get to 1000 lumens output with the G90?

[Clarence]

How do you ever get to 2.35:1 aspect ratio with the G90?
How do you ever get to 1000 lumens output with the G90?I don't want to go off topic in this thread, but CRT projectors will allow any aspect ratio.

In this example, I can change the aspect ratio by changing the height of the raster on the phosphor face. This is called constant width.

http://crtforum.com/img/aspect-235.gif http://crtforum.com/img/aspect-178-cw.gif

CRTs are not fixed pixel devices... they form the image using scan lines. You can adjust the height and width of the raster, you can also adjust the number of lines that are used inside of that height (the vertical resolution), and you can control how fast those lines are being drawn (e.g., 30 Hz or 60 Hz or 72 Hz or 120 Hz or any frequency in between).

There are lots of tutorials online, like this one:
http://easymamecab.mameworld.net/html/monitor2.htm

But the main difference between CRT projectors and CRT monitors or CRT TVs is that a CRT projector uses 3 tubes... red, green, and blue... the 3 primary images are converged to form the picture on the screen.

[CMRA]

I agree with Dave. There's a lot of truth to that. I think this G90 would look good shining on a brown lunch bag. :)

]

I was about to say. Drop dead gorgeous screenies, Clarence.

[phisch]

The Brilliant White is definitely a little brighter, unfortunately, the pics I took seem to all have darker areas in that quadrant. I took the pics with a Canon PowerShot s410 with no flash and very little ambient light in the room.

In addition to being a little brighter, the Carada BW material has a smaller, smoother texture than the DW laminate. I have both materials and I can notice the difference. This might be a factor for those using a 1080p projector. See post 2226 of this thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=813550&page=75&pp=30

BTW great screen shots Clarence.

[Clarence]

Same setup (Sony G90 CRT projector on a 5x12 sheet of Wilsonart DW)...

http://crtforum.com/img/cars09.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/cars06.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/cars10.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/cars03.jpg

[SbWillie]

2006 best screen pic winner on AVS:

Clarence again!

SWEET! IF mine gets 2/3's as good I'll be happy!

[Dungwader]

Well here is my contribution. I am still figuring out this camera and I think a tripod would help a lot but alas I do not possess one.

Projector: Mits HD1000
Screen: Fasion Grey
Speakers: Infinity Primus
Center: C25
Fronts: 360
Rears: 150
Sub: none (live in an apartment)
Reciever: Onkyo TXSR674

Current setup of room:

http://home.comcast.net/~tkowens1/RoomAfterPainting.JPG

Some DVD images:

http://home.comcast.net/~tkowens1/LOTR2.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tkowens1/SinCity2.JPG

BluRay Images:

http://home.comcast.net/~tkowens1/The_Fifth_Element.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tkowens1/The_Fifth_Element_2.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tkowens1/The_Corpse_Bride.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tkowens1/MI3.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tkowens1/Blackhawk_Down.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tkowens1/Kingdom_Of_Heaven_2.JPG

[dmxsoulja3]

Looks good man!

[Dungwader]

Looks good man!

Sorry it took me a while to get those up. I hope it helps you in your decision!

[Barnacules]

Someone should do a side-by-side comparison of Blackout Cloth vs. Laminate. I just got some BOC today and put it up against my BEHR Silverscreen painted wall and was amazed by the results.

I just started a new thread to show my experience with Blackout Cloth. I just got started today so I will be building the screen tonight.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10644760#post10644760

[Clarence]

Some more pictures for the Laminate Screen Showcase to get this thread back on topic...

This first one shows off my HT instead of just the Wilsonart screen ;)
... you can see the glare off the chair rail on the left side,
the glare off my projector on the top,
the crown molding on the right-side,
and my Berkline chairs on the bottom...

http://crtforum.com/img/hedge6.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/hedge4.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/hedge5.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/cars03.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/cars10.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/matrix2-4.jpg

[tradewinds]

Dude...you are using a CRT G90. We just cannot compete with that quality PQ.

[rastan]

Awesome Clarence! I'll post some pics of my theater/DW when it is completed at the end of this month. I hope my pics turn out half as good!

[tamboo]

here's my 10x5 dw screen. pj is mits 1000 low lamp.
i'll post some images with no ambient light when i come
up with something more impressive. more details over at
the laminate screens and testing thread. cheers!
http://www.freeimagehost.eu/image/66486a396380

[ktaillon]

Clarence,

What type of camera did you use to take the screenies?

Thanks for the great pics....

[Clarence]

It's a Canon S80 (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons80/) point and shoot digicam.

Tripod. ISO 50. Flash off. Self-timer delay to mitigate camera shake from pressing the shutter button (and to occasionally walk up next to the screen to get in the picture).

No photoshop sharpening. No enhancements... just crop and resize.

[tamboo]

here's a few sd images from the dw cave.
not bad for a rinky dink setup. i'm surprised
how viewable the dw is in ambient light,
i was expecting much worse. a big shout out to clarence
for motivating us with those awesome images.

http://www.freeimagehost.eu/image/bd0b69400129

[jwervel16]

Has anybody posted shots of Fashion Grey in both dark and ambient light environments? Perhaps side by side compared to the DW? I'm trying to decide between the two. I have decent light control, but I'd really like the best blacks I can get. Any help is appreciated!

[rocko1290]

here's my 10x5 dw screen. pj is mits 1000 low lamp.
i'll post some images with no ambient light when i come
up with something more impressive. more details over at
the laminate screens and testing thread. cheers!
http://www.freeimagehost.eu/image/66486a396380How did you display the image on your PJ and TV at the same time?

[tamboo]

How did you display the image on your PJ and TV at the same time?
tv hooked up through coax out
pj through hdmi

[CMRA]

Absolutely super.

Clarence, you are killin' me with those phenomenal screenies. Your photo skills are truly TOP flight.

Per request, any 'Pirates' shots to share? Thanks. CMRA

[Tmac30]

If I used this laminate would I have to build a frame around the material or just throw it on the wall and project? I am sure a frame would look alot better but just curious if I could go that route. Thanks.

[Clarence]

Per request, any 'Pirates' shots to share?I don't have blu-ray yet. Only HD DVD and HD cable. But here's one that I took when PotC2 was on cable...

http://crtforum.com/img/poc-c.jpg

Has anybody posted shots of Fashion Grey in both dark and ambient light environments? Perhaps side by side compared to the DW? I'm trying to decide between the two. I have decent light control, but I'd really like the best blacks I can get. Any help is appreciated!This thread is a gallery. As described in the first post, all laminate questions should be asked (and have probably already been answered) in the main laminate thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8159667&&#post8159667

If I used this laminate would I have to build a frame around the material or just throw it on the wall and project? I am sure a frame would look alot better but just curious if I could go that route. Thanks.This thread is a gallery. As described in the first post, all laminate questions should be asked (and have probably already been answered) in the main laminate thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8159667&&#post8159667

[Dungwader]

Resized Pirates shots:

Bluray at 720p (MitsHD1000) on untreated FG

http://home.comcast.net/~tkowens1/PotC2-1.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tkowens1/PotC2-2.JPG

[tradewinds]

wow...speak about 3D clarity...and this is looking at it from a laptop. Well done.

[rocko1290]

So how noticeable is the difference between 720p and 1080p with a projection big screen?

[jimwhite]

So how noticeable is the difference between 720p and 1080p with a projection big screen?
Talk about Off Topic :eek:

[FremontRich]

Yes and no. :p

I have been thinking about the ramifications of people moving to 1080p and there is a relevance to all the DIY screens. The higher the pixel density the smaller a pixel is, therefore the relationship between pixel size and screen texture density has changed. If the screen surface in question had a marginally acceptable texture density for 720p then it may not be acceptable for 1080p.

We have no control over the texture on the FG but it is relevant to the picture quality that may be produced with a 1080p image.


Well, I have a Mitsubishi HC3000 and a 92" DW screen. Has anyone switched from a 720p projector to a 1080p projector and noticed any degradation of image due to texture of their screen?

[rastan]

I have no experience to speak of on this, but Clarence's images speak for themselves. He's using a Sony G90 high resolution CRT (read-NO fixed pixels) projector on a DW screen and I have yet to see any better screen shots than his. His projector is capable of displaying 2500x2000 and 1080p is 1920x1080 I believe.

[SbWillie]

Now that I finally looked up the price of that proj. no wonder his picks are so good!

[mech]

Now that I finally looked up the price of that proj. no wonder his picks are so good!
Yep, excellent screen + excellent pj = excellent pictures!

mech

[mech]

I think Dungwader's screen shots look pretty darn good too!
Yep. I forgot to re-add mine when I cleaned up my photobucket account. I'll just put up a couple. FG with poly - Mitsu HC3000

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o149/smechman/Testing/P2050290.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o149/smechman/Testing/P2050295.jpg

mech

[SbWillie]

yep the first one would almost make someone duck!

[Dungwader]

I think Dungwader's screen shots look pretty darn good too!

Thank you! :D

I've been debating retaking the shots in my first picture post. The Pirates shots were taken with the ISO settings Clarence stated in a post. I also found a mini-ladder to set the camera upon to eliminate any blur introduced from my hands. So I was actually able to increase the exposeure which probably helped them come out a little better the second time around.

[CMRA]

Yep, excellent screen + excellent pj = excellent pictures!

mech

Don't underestimate the camera and shooter. Right, Clarence?

[rocko1290]

so really how do projector's PQ compare to TV's such as the new Samsung DLP's?

[mikecoscia]

Can you even buy CRT projectors still?

[prof55]

Can you even buy CRT projectors still?

Absolutely! They're not for everybody, but if you want a bullet-proof industrial strength projector, and no worries about bulb life, they're great! Take a look here: CRT Projectors (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=-1&f=16)

Garry

[mtucker]

84" diagonal Do-able laminate/board from Home Depot.
Panasonic PT-AX100

http://www.mattleah.net/pictures/AV/housewives1.jpg

http://www.mattleah.net/pictures/AV/pirates1.jpg

http://www.mattleah.net/pictures/AV/Tonight_show.jpg


Matt

[stubeeef]

Not meaning to spam, but here are some pix I posted in the laminate thread-it was suggested I post them here. I will delete them from the laminate thread too.
These shots are via an Oppo 981hd, 480p widescreen zoomed to fit the 16:9 110" DW laminate. Proj is an Epson HC1080, and in the theater black 2 (lowest) brightness.
Cabinets on the right are STILL waiting to be finished, Lowes is ordering the countertops for the 4th (not a typo) time. Maybe sometime this fall it will get finished.
I have on my serious paint clothes and face! :p I hate painting.
Entire back wall is cotton black velvet, speakers are SVS SCS-01Ms up front. Lamintate is mounted boarderless with ropelite behind (doesn't look great shining on the velvet-don't use it now).
Chairs are temps from my office in the room next door, will get something this fall that works for us.
http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/4831/2409844890099220075S600x600Q85.jpg (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2409844890099220075OADpPh)
http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/5873/2966832390099220075S600x600Q85.jpg (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2966832390099220075qiLFjS)
http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/3673/2691169120099220075S600x600Q85.jpg (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2691169120099220075LqiExh)
http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/3642/2473293350099220075S600x600Q85.jpg (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2473293350099220075aXpMRY)
http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/6470/2933580890099220075S600x600Q85.jpg (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2933580890099220075xeYvLS)

[KingCreole]

Finally did it. :)

Thanks to everyone, especially wbasset and mech, for the ideas!

Link is to a thread in the PJ under 3000 section:

Post 446 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11174756#post11174756)

PS: Not ideally mounted right now. It's screwed to the wall directly using anchors and screws. I plan to add some black trim to it which will also cover-up the screws.

[cynical2]

Finally did it. :)

Thanks to everyone, especially wbasset and mech, for the ideas!

Link is to a thread in the PJ under 3000 section:

Post 446 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11174756#post11174756)

PS: Not ideally mounted right now. It's screwed to the wall directly using anchors and screws. I plan to add some black trim to it which will also cover-up the screws.

Good for you! Are your pics still up?


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[KingCreole]

Strange.....can you try:

http://public.fotki.com/KingCreole/benq-w500-fashiongray/

[KingCreole]

Tried accessing it from another machine, no problems. Are you still not able to access?

[prof55]

Works for me, and looks great!

[KingCreole]

Works for me, and looks great!

Excellent! Thanks prof55.

[cynical2]

Tried accessing it from another machine, no problems. Are you still not able to access?

KC, works fine for me now through original link. Server must have been down briefyl. Looks awesome! Congrats!

[KingCreole]

Added some pics with some serious ambient light: (pics 6 and on).

Link (http://public.fotki.com/KingCreole/benq-w500-fashiongray/)

Not bad, eh?

[mech]

Excellent screen KC! Welcome to the Laminate club! The FG does great in ambient light doesn't it?!?!? :D

mech

[rastan]

I finally got my Panasonic PT-AX100U. Here are some preliminary screen shots without calibration using "Cinema 1" and a Philips 5982 (Changing this soon with a Toshiba HD-A2) with very little ambient light. Also, my DW screen is not laying perfectly flat (pays to do it right the first time) so when I get a chance I'll take it back down and mount it properly.

Also, I had a little trouble taking these pictures without a tripod and you can see some of them are not perfectly focused. The "Freeze text" or the "Pause sign" reveal how good the image is (both of these show up perfectly crisp in real life).

Screen Captures Photo Gallery (http://www.angscastle.com/theaterimages/screen_captures_08012007.htm)

[bguzman]

I've had my 5X8 sheet of DW since Christmas and last weekend finally stuck it to the wall and framed it. The frame is 1"X4" MDF rapped in velvet from Joanne's. My room is 15'X17'. I have a Sim2 Domino 30H shelf mounted 13.5' away from a 106' diagonal screen. I still have to paint the room a dark flat color, approved by my better half, and I think I will put some kind of black fabric on the screenwall and about six feet out on the ceiling, or paint it flat black, but I hear that is a pain to keep clean. I am pleased with the outcome and am going to make some kind of masks for 2.35:1 movies. I should have that done by New Years. Oh well.

bguzman

[BigDaddyJ]

Hey everyone,

I put up a 49X115 2.35:1 DW screen a couple weeks ago and finally got around to taking some pictures of it in action. i post more details of the screen construction in the other laminate thread.

I'm using a PT-AX100-U and a HD-A2 HD-DVD player.

Serenity with the lights on

http://bigdaddyj.fastmail.us/Theater/Serenity%201%20Lights%20On.jpg

And the lights off

http://bigdaddyj.fastmail.us/Theater/Serenity%201%20Lights%20Off.jpg

And some more Serenity,

http://bigdaddyj.fastmail.us/Theater/Serenity%202.jpg

http://bigdaddyj.fastmail.us/Theater/Serenity%203.jpg

http://bigdaddyj.fastmail.us/Theater/Serenity%204.jpg

http://bigdaddyj.fastmail.us/Theater/Serenity%205.jpg

http://bigdaddyj.fastmail.us/Theater/Serenity%206.jpg

And one from Unforgiven

http://bigdaddyj.fastmail.us/Theater/Unforgiven%201.jpg

I'll post some more when I get some time.

Jay.

[Clarence]

Excellent pictures Jay. Perfect exposures. Great room.

[BigDaddyJ]

Excellent pictures Jay. Perfect exposures. Great room.

Thanks Clarence I really appreciate that! Could I ask you a quick off topic question? I noticed in the construction thread in you signature that you second row of seats is on a 9" riser. Does that work well for? I don't have very high ceilings in the theater but would like to get some more seating in there and 9" is about the highest I would want to go. Of course I've noticed I don't do much work in there now that I can watch movies;)

Thanks again!

[tlassen]

I'm still new to this home theater projector thing and I know my pic-taking abilities aren't the best, but I'd thought I'd share some of my pics with you guys. Feel free to ask any questions or share any tips and advice :)

Mitsubishi HD1000 on a 87" Wilsonart Fashion Grey laminate screen. All shots taken from 10' away with some cheap digital camera. Note: black levels don't look nearly this great in real-life. Capturing the image on camera then looking at them on a PC monitor makes them look better than they really are.

Also, a question for anyone: now that I've got my projector ceiling-mounted, I'm seeing what's been called the "sparklie" effect when viewing white areas on the screen. This wasn't noticeable when the projector was sitting at seating levels on a shelf (when I took this pics). I'm assuming it's the screen's reflective properties, but it's driving me crazy. Does sitting farther back help (I can't because of room size), is there some sort of topcoat I can paint to eliminate/smooth them out, or anything else? Thanks for any help :)

[mech]

Behr Clear Matte Poly located near the faux finishes at Home Depot.

mech

[tlassen]

Thanks Mech! :)

[mech]

No problem! Nice screen!

mech

[TR11]

whats the color code for the fashion grey screen.

I just ordered a DW screen btw. Should be here by next week. 120", HD80

[tlassen]

Fashion Grey D381-60

[mauitime]

I'm not to good at screen shots but I put my camera (Z6 Minolta) on night mode and they turned out pretty nice. The PJ is the Acer PH530, feed is from Charter Moxi box via component, screen is DW 125".
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d163/mauitime/PICT0038.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d163/mauitime/PICT0039.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d163/mauitime/PICT0040.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d163/mauitime/PICT0041.jpg

[tlniec]

Here are some pics of my recently completed HT/Family Room build (there are some more in my gallery here). Mitsubishi HC1500 projecting onto 106" WilsonArt Fashion Gray screen.

http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/501/IMG_0106.JPG
Screen wall from afar...
http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/501/IMG_0114.JPG
And in the dark...
http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/501/IMG_01191.JPG
The obligatory Halo3 screenshot (that's me with the flamethrower :) )...
http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/501/IMG_0125.JPG
And a closer look at the screen...

Someday, I'll try to find some webspace and upload the full-rez versions of these (as opposed to the 1/4-sized ones you see here).

[gbrnole]

tlniec-

that's one awesome looking setup! your wall color looks so much like mine it's uncanny (mine are laura ashley pale gold II)

just out of curiosity, what in-wall speakers did you elect to use and how do they sound in such a large space?

[ukap44]

Tlniec, looks good. What did you use for screen border and what size is the border?

[ukap44]

Tlniec, What made you decide to use the fashion grey and not the designer white?

[tlniec]

Thanks! Wall color is Mautz/Sherwin Williams "Kilim Beige." Speakers are Klipsch R-3650-W for left/center/right, SCR-2 in-ceiling surrounds, KSW-12 subwoofer. I had a firm budget to keep (hardly enough to do 5.1, I thought), and these speakers just squeaked in. I love the way they sound, and haven't had a problem with getting PLENTY of volume (that Klipsch efficiency helps). I have my subwoofer in the corner behind and to the right of the sectional, which is working pretty well -- I'm really surprised how hard it is to localize, when it's so close to the seating (must have it crossed over low enough, I guess).

[tlniec]

Oh, and I've exchanged PMs with ukap44, but for anyone else interested, I used MDF baseboard ripped to ~3" wide, wrapped in black velvet (Hancock "Madonna Velvet," a.k.a. Youngdo Triple Eagle).
I went with Fashion Gray instead of Designer White because I knew this would be a multipurpose space, and that I wouldn't always be able to have it totally dark. I find that this has worked out well when I have to keep a little bit of light on, or when some daylight bleeds in down the stairwell. But at night, with everything dark, there is LOTS of "pop" to the image... you'd never guess the screen was anything but white when there is an image projected on it.

[Kressilac]

I built my Designer White screen yesterday evening. Stayed up late putting together photos and a commentary of the entire process while I still had some of the issues I ran into fresh in my mind. You can find it here. (http://blogs.elysianonline.com/blogs/derek/pages/1432.aspx)

My entire theater is outlined in the threads under the Home Theater section of my blog. (http://blogs.elysianonline.com/blogs/derek/archive/tags/Home+Theater/default.aspx)

When I get the projector in and up and running later this month I'll post results.

[basementjack2]

Thanks for that post - I looked at the pictures - great information!

[v1rtu0s1ty]

I already posted these in the HD-DVD sub-forum (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9489089&&#post9489089), but they belong in the Laminate Showcase too:

Clarence,

That's the best screenshot I've seen! The picture quality and colors are phenomenal!!!

[Clarence]

http://crtforum.com/img/antbully1.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/antbully2.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/antbully3.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/antbully4.jpg

http://crtforum.com/img/antbully5.jpg
Clarence,

That's the best screenshot I've seen! The picture quality and colors are phenomenal!!!

Thanks. Those are with my old camera. I haven't looked at those screenshots in a while... I'd forgotten how nice they turned out.

These more recent screenshots are with my new camera:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12006206&postcount=675

I'm in Chicago this week. I brought my XTi with me and I'll be at Cliff's meet this weekend. His G90 stack is literally twice as good as my single G90, so I hope to take some great screenshots at his place. You should come to Cliff's meet... he's right across the Indiana state line.

[v1rtu0s1ty]

Thanks. Those are with my old camera. I haven't looked at those screenshots in a while... I'd forgotten how nice they turned out.

These more recent screenshots are with my new camera:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12006206&postcount=675

I'm in Chicago this week. I brought my XTi with me and I'll be at Cliff's meet this weekend. His G90 stack is literally twice as good as my single G90, so I hope to take some great screenshots at his place. You should come to Cliff's meet... he's right across the Indiana state line.

I saw your new screenshots and it's awesome!!! I love the texture of hippo's skin. I want to get a G90 too but it's so beyond my budget.

I'll check my schedule. I'll pm him too! Thanks.

[jdiehl]

I posted some pictures of my laminate screen in this thread that I had started (regarding doing a theater room in an unfinished basement):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=919134

I'll take some higher resolution screen-only pics for this thread later on.... perhaps from a HD DVD source, Transformers maybe?

[cordel]

IF you guys really want to have images like Clarence's, its very simple.

Step 1: go to www.sony.com
Step 2: pull out your visa/mastercard (with a 5000$ credit limit)
Step 3: Order the G90 CRT.

( maybe after my tax return ill have one w00t)
lol.

good work dude

[ruarmani]

Clarence, I must say that I am shocked by the images you posted. These are amazing pictures, I am sure you have heard a lot of it. But I am really surprised that the picture can be that great!

I am quite interested in laminate option, I want to build the screen. But I also have an option to buy Draper Cineparm HiDef Grey or White Matte material. Which option is a better one? Of course material is double expensive then laminate, but will I get that quality enhancement? Also, I would have to cut 106" down to 92" and I have been replied to that I'd rather not do it. So, I either have to use laminate or Cineperm 92" 1300. Went to Home Depot and wanted to get some test chips for Fashion Grey, but they did not have any, I can only order the whole sheet with no returns.

[Scott_R_K]

Oh, and I've exchanged PMs with ukap44, but for anyone else interested, I used MDF baseboard ripped to ~3" wide, wrapped in black velvet (Hancock "Madonna Velvet," a.k.a. Youngdo Triple Eagle).
I went with Fashion Gray instead of Designer White because I knew this would be a multipurpose space, and that I wouldn't always be able to have it totally dark. I find that this has worked out well when I have to keep a little bit of light on, or when some daylight bleeds in down the stairwell. But at night, with everything dark, there is LOTS of "pop" to the image... you'd never guess the screen was anything but white when there is an image projected on it.

Hello ,

I hope this Thread is still seeing some action .
I'm curious , did you have to "coat" your Fashion Gray Laminate or is it natural?

Thanks ,

Scott...................

[tlniec]

'Natural,' no coating has been applied.

[Scott_R_K]

'Natural,' no coating has been applied.

Thanks ! That's good news . I'd like to keep the whole process as simple as possible .

I see that everyone is ordering the sheets in standard sizes . Will WilsonArt or Home Depot not cut them to specific dimensions ?

Scott...................:confused:

[rastan]

No they will not cut them. However, it is very easy to score with a carpenters knife and then a "clean snap" will do it.

[Scott_R_K]

No they will not cut them. However, it is very easy to score with a carpenters knife and then a "clean snap" will do it.

Thanks Rastan ,

That's good news . I've been trying to think where I was going to unroll this thing and then run a circular saw along it all the time trying to keep the dust down . One long , slow , scribe and then...snap and I'm done . Cool !

Scott...............:D