MAYBE the A5 wants you to use a y splitter for the RCA jacks on the back? so the white and red both have cable going to them

run over to radioshack and pick up a cheapo one

somethin like this

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=185-226

IIRC audibility is around 80db @ 20hz, give or take my memory or a couple of db. If you aren't hearing 20hz and the driver is at Xmax then it's not loud enough. Not sure why vitod would be getting audible 20hz and not you. Usually corner loading will get you 6 - 10 dbs down low and from your graphs, it's not there. Check with ED.

MAYBE the A5 wants you to use a y splitter for the RCA jacks on the back? so the white and red both have cable going to them

run over to radioshack and pick up a cheapo one

somethin like this

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=185-226


Have it hooked up with a splitter.

The more I look at the response curve, the more I think that that corner sucks. The graphs just look too similar. There is a window up above the sub on the adjacent side. This really Sucks that I don't have any room to move the sub.

can you move the sub to a diff spot just temporarily and try to get a "true" response curve (whatever that means)

UPDATE: I moved the sub from mid wall to the front left center. Response is even better! Very deep and punchy! I was watching T3 and it was keeping up with the big boys. It's much happier there. This sub has very good output. Kind of surprised really. Currently it's set on 0' phase, crossover 80', volume 10 o clock.
If only I had that damn camera. :mad:

I wanted to see the build quality and since the sub is on it's side, woofer facing me, the logo is vertical. I removed the mounting screws and I adjusted the driver so that the logo is horizontal. While there, I took a look inside. It's very well made but.....no cross bracing. I'm guessing the box is strong enough because it's heavy.

UPDATE: I moved the sub from mid wall to the front left center. Response is even better! Very deep and punchy! I was watching T3 and it was keeping up with the big boys. It's much happier there. This sub has very good output. Kind of surprised really. Currently it's set on 0' phase, crossover 80', volume 10 o clock.
If only I had that damn camera. :mad:

I wanted to see the build quality and since the sub is on it's side, woofer facing me, the logo is vertical. I removed the mounting screws and I adjusted the driver so that the logo is horizontal. While there, I took a look inside. It's very well made but.....no cross bracing. I'm guessing the box is strong enough because it's heavy.

wow vitod that's all i needed to hear if the sub can hold up good on t3 it's worth the investment. which sub did u get again? anyhow enjoy it.

What you guys might want to do is pull your sub out into the middle of the room and do a NF (near-field) measurement with your meter about 2-3" away from the driver. Although not perfect, it'll give you a rough idea (after correction) of what the subs response is with introducing as little room-gain as possible.

wow vitod that's all i needed to hear if the sub can hold up good on t3 it's worth the investment. which sub did u get again? anyhow enjoy it.

A2-300

UPDATE: I moved the sub from mid wall to the front left center. Response is even better! Very deep and punchy! I was watching T3 and it was keeping up with the big boys. It's much happier there. This sub has very good output. Kind of surprised really. Currently it's set on 0' phase, crossover 80', volume 10 o clock.
If only I had that damn camera. :mad:

I wanted to see the build quality and since the sub is on it's side, woofer facing me, the logo is vertical. I removed the mounting screws and I adjusted the driver so that the logo is horizontal. While there, I took a look inside. It's very well made but.....no cross bracing. I'm guessing the box is strong enough because it's heavy.

So during this time you were testing it out, you had it on its side?
Have you tried placing it in a corner? Unfortuantly this is the only spot I will be able to put mine :( .

Here is a drawing of my setup and avaliable spots to place the sub.
I know that I should probably try all 3 spots, I was wondering if anyone had any input on where I should start. I am open to suggestions.

The more I look at the response curve, the more I think that that corner sucks. The graphs just look too similar. There is a window up above the sub on the adjacent side. This really Sucks that I don't have any room to move the sub.

I've got a BFD and I'll EQ it and repost.

So during this time you were testing it out, you had it on its side?
Have you tried placing it in a corner? Unfortuantly this is the only spot I will be able to put mine :( .

Here is a drawing of my setup and avaliable spots to place the sub.
I know that I should probably try all 3 spots, I was wondering if anyone had any input on where I should start. I am open to suggestions.

Yes, mid wall, because I was experimenting with placement. The front corners are now occupied by the Rpl 15" pro sub boxes I semi-DIYed :rolleyes: and they sound well there. The eD is on the front left center somewhat close to the 15".

Has anybody received or know of anyone that has the A2 250?
I think it may be wife-friendly enough in my living room to sneak into the surroundings.

I have been buiding my HT piece-by-piece and a "budget" 10" 200 WATT into the low 20 Hz region is what I've been hoping to find.

Does anybody have any thoughts on the Mirage S8s?

Thanx...

Has anybody received or know of anyone that has the A2 250?
I think it may be wife-friendly enough in my living room to sneak into the surroundings.

I have been buiding my HT piece-by-piece and a "budget" 10" 200 WATT into the low 20 Hz region is what I've been hoping to find.

Thanx...


This guy has one and seems to like it. http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=31636 There aren't too many reviews on these subs yet, but from the sound of it, the people who have them like 'em.

I've got a BFD and I'll EQ it and repost.

This is the sub after being EQ'd(first graph). The second graph is with both subs playing together(eD & H100)-Both subs calibrated to the same level stacked.

Thanks bittermelon - your P4000 should be a good sub for comparison.

Which model did you order, specifically?

I ordered the A2-300. Shipping was $65 to Bungcouver if any hosers on the left coast are interested in this subwoofer. We'll see what duties and extra charges UPS rape me with even though it's built in the US (NAFTA who?). I figure I'm well under a SVS PB10 shipped and if it gets me 20Hz at $235 (The Athena P4000 falls off around 25 Hz) then I'm at my goal. The worst it can be is a $235 buttshaker if I place it behind the couch. I'm encouraged in what tdamocles got in his room as my room is 12 X 22 X 10 high and I have a BFD to tame whatever peaks come out. The phase switch is nice as the Athena doesn't have this. I'll see how the EDi (Stealth - bad movie - good bass) works on it's own and together with the Athena. I have a nasty null at 80 Hz so I'll have to lug this thing around the room.

tdamocles, how much to you think the A2-300 weighs? I figure about 55 lbs if the shipping weight is 68.
Now the waiting game......

This is the sub after being EQ'd(first graph). The second graph is with both subs playing together(eD & H100)-Both subs calibrated to the same level stacked.Is that playing the tones at 75db? If so, you should now be getting the extention you are looking for.

Is that playing the tones at 75db? If so, you should now be getting the extention you are looking for.

Yes, that is playing the tones at 75db.


I would think that it would be close to 55lbs or so. The weight stated by UPS said the A5 was 106lbs.

I ordered the A2-300. Shipping was $65 to Bungcouver if any hosers on the left coast are interested in this subwoofer. We'll see what duties and extra charges UPS rape me with even though it's built in the US (NAFTA who?). I figure I'm well under a SVS PB10 shipped and if it gets me 20Hz at $235 (The Athena P4000 falls off around 25 Hz) then I'm at my goal. The worst it can be is a $235 buttshaker if I place it behind the couch. I'm encouraged in what tdamocles got in his room as my room is 12 X 22 X 10 high and I have a BFD to tame whatever peaks come out. The phase switch is nice as the Athena doesn't have this. I'll see how the EDi (Stealth - bad movie - good bass) works on it's own and together with the Athena. I have a nasty null at 80 Hz so I'll have to lug this thing around the room.

tdamocles, how much to you think the A2-300 weighs? I figure about 55 lbs if the shipping weight is 68.
Now the waiting game......

Hi everyone, just recently found this site.
I was going to get the A2-300, UPS quoted me around $50 Canadian brokerage on that model, plus GST and PST whether this will hold good or not is anyone's guess, fingers crossed that there is no duty. I don't know if they'll class it as manufactured in the USA or not?
After all that I changed my mind and decided to go for the smaller A2-250, and ordered it 28th November, $53 shipped to Montreal, plus whatever.
At the moment it's in woodshop, so with any luck it could be ready for shipping by the end of the week.

Hi everyone, just recently found this site.
I was going to get the A2-300, UPS quoted me around $50 Canadian brokerage on that model, plus GST and PST whether this will hold good or not is anyone's guess, fingers crossed that there is no duty. I don't know if they'll class it as manufactured in the USA or not?
After all that I changed my mind and decided to go for the smaller A2-250, and ordered it 28th November, $53 shipped to Montreal, plus whatever.
At the moment it's in woodshop, so with any luck it could be ready for shipping by the end of the week.

Let me be the first to say "Welcome" to the AVS site! :D

I'm interested in hearing what the overall cost will be (shipping, duty etc) to us in Canada.

I've familiar with e-designs stellar rep in the car audio business and I'm keeping a careful eye on this thread.

Please keep us posted and include pic!

Let me be the first to say "Welcome" to the AVS site! :D

I'm interested in hearing what the overall cost will be (shipping, duty etc) to us in Canada.

I've familiar with e-designs stellar rep in the car audio business and I'm keeping a careful eye on this thread.

Please keep us posted and include pic!

Cheers for the welcome.

I'll let you all know the full cost when it arrives, as for pictures I don't even own a digital camera, lol. I'm not an audiophile, this is my first subwoofer actually. I couldn't afford to go HDTV so I decided to upgrade from stereo to 5.0 first and then add a subwoofer. I listened to a Reel Acoustics RSW-810, which I was tempted to buy however, I baulked at paying C$299 for an 8" sub. I just carried on reading reviews, lurking in forums and stumbled across this thread by accident and decided to throw my lot in with this baby :-)

Okay guys/gals, I took a test with the subs in the center of my room and the results are as follows. The meter was 2.5 feet, on the floor pointing up, from the rear(ported side) of both the subs. The eD sub is the first graph and the H100 is the second. The blue line is the level it was tested at. Just shows you that my corner doesn't increase the bass, just sucks it out. I'd be better off if I put the subs in the middle of the floor. It still looks like the room is affecting the sound in the middle of the room. The H100 looks like it's no slouch. Just for giggles I have added my old HTD.

maybe i just dont know what to "really" look for in frequency response charts but seems kind of disappointing that the a5-300 is hitting 20hz around the same db that the h100 is

Just shows you that my corner doesn't increase the bass, just sucks it out.

Levels are just higher because you're measuring closer to the sub. 2.5ft vs listening position.

im gonna email elemental designs and tell them to do some measurements because a lot of people are on the wall right now and we need some measurements from their room just for reference

maybe i just dont know what to "really" look for in frequency response charts but seems kind of disappointing that the a5-300 is hitting 20hz around the same db that the h100 is

I think the H100 is just a sleeper.

Levels are just higher because you're measuring closer to the sub. 2.5ft vs listening position.

Maybe so but I think a good corner load should be better. Maybe I'm not understanding your statement but even if I go back another few feet 'all' the levels should lower accordingly. I originally did it 3 inches away but the port of the h100 was on lower side of the back of the sub which skewed the results a little.

Looks like to me that the corner the sub is inhabiting excites higher low bass frequencies(between 30-60hz) and the only way to tame that is to EQ.

I think the lesson that I'm learning here is that room acoustics can suck the fun out of LFE.

I think the H100 is just a sleeper.

Yep, I don't think it can be called a sleeper though when quite a few people in past compaired it against various subs and the general feeling is it can't be beat till you get to the SVS price point.

The H100 is outstanding at it's price point, don't really know why people are disappointed that the ED sub is about equal to an H100. It's great to see that there are now some good choices in the $200 range.

The H100 is outstanding at it's price point, don't really know why people are disappointed that the ED sub is about equal to an H100.

We don't know that they are equal. The in-room FR being similar does not provide enough evidence to support such a claim.

We don't know that they are equal. The in-room FR being similar does not provide enough evidence to support such a claim.

True, my moneys on the Bic, time will tell though.

tdamocles HAS A A5-300! that is a $550 sub!! this is not the A3-200!!!

this is MORE than an SVSPB10

i would expect these results from a polk subwoofer of the same price but not from an ED sub with 500 watts and a 120lb enclosure

tdamocles HAS A A5-300! that is a $550 sub!! this is not the A3-200!!!

this is MORE than an SVSPB10

i would expect these results from a polk subwoofer of the same price but not from an ED sub with 500 watts and a 120lb enclosure
Those numbers do not tell you much at all. If you want to look at wattage, you also have to look at the overall efficiency of the driver and enclosure. Wattage alone means very little. All things being equal....500 watts gets you 3dB more output than 250 watts.

Those numbers do not tell you much at all. If you want to look at wattage, you also have to look at the overall efficiency of the driver and enclosure. Wattage alone means very little. All things being equal....500 watts gets you 3dB more output than 250 watts.

yes i know watts are not everything (the H100 only 150w yet performs incredibly well), im just saying this is a heavy duty amp, a nice driver, and a premium enclosure... there has to be something wrong.

yes i know watts are not everything (the H100 only 150w yet performs incredibly well), im just saying this is a heavy duty amp, a nice driver, and a premium enclosure... there has to be something wrong.

tdamocles isn't measuring the maximum output on a GP, but simply the in-room FR.

There is nothing wrong here IMO. Had the h100 surpass the eD sub in max spl THEN and only THEN would something be wrong with the picture. The graph simply shows the FR of the sub in it's current location in relation to where the tests were being taken...thats all.

Two similarly tuned subs showing a similar in-room Fr aside from max spl isn't really a shocker.

Hopefully someone with some knowledge (which excludes me) can do some GP measurements and possibly max output numbers too. New adopters, don't get discouraged...rooms are pretty tricky.

There is nothing wrong here IMO. Had the h100 surpass the eD sub in max spl THEN and only THEN would something be wrong with the picture. The graph simply shows the FR of the sub in it's current location in relation to where the tests were being taken...thats all.

Two similarly tuned subs showing a similar in-room Fr aside from max spl isn't really a shocker.

the graphs (if labeled correctly) show an H100 hitting 15hz and only dropping 12 decibels (from 20hz), the A5-300 drops more than 20 decibels once it hits 15hz (from 20hz)

just seems weird to me

There are not too many retail subs that you can buy out there for $550 with 500 watts that reach 20hz so I think it isn't a bad deal. Like Mr. Ron Temple says - We need a GP test to show what is really up... I'm thinking that even if I got something like a pb12 it would have done the same in that corner...

tdamocles isn't measuring the maximum output on a GP, but simply the in-room FR.

exactly. It appears to me that he is measuring the rooms FR not the FR of the actual driver.


Try measuring the output ot 90db reference instead of 75db.

Here's the E-Mail I just received from Ben @ Elemental Designs. Looks like they are going to have discounts for AVS members only. I believe it runs from now until January 1.

Have at it........

Rob

Rob,

Here are the coupons you requested for the AVS guys.

A2 – Series – 10% Off : AVSA2
A3 – Series - 15% Off : AVSA3
A5 – Series – 15% Off : AVSA5
A7 – Series – 15% Off : AVSA7

The A7-700 will go on the web site sometime likely late tomorrow afternoon which will also be included in this. We are finishing that information up today to go online tomorrow.

As far as custom requests go for primered boxes or just plain different designs. If people let us know one by one their requirements we can work on their projects no problem.

Here's the E-Mail I just received from Ben @ Elemental Designs. Looks like they are going to have discounts for AVS members only. I believe it runs from now until January 1.

Have at it........

Rob
Cool. For any others who were waiting on more reviews before making a purchase, I noticed that on their site, they have free UPS ground shipping on their subs. Between the coupon and the free shipping, the prices are very competitive with the sale/introductory prices that ran up until this past weekend.

I'm not affiliated with this company, just watching the product like so many others here. :)

I couldn't pass up the AVS member coupon which is the same exact price I paid the first time. :D Now, I'll have a duel eD's! :p Thanks eD and highside!

I saw M I 3 last night and sounded very good. Punchy and loud! I truly believe it's a great bang for the buck!

There are not too many retail subs that you can buy out there for $550 with 500 watts that reach 20hz so I think it isn't a bad deal. Like Mr. Ron Temple says - We need a GP test to show what is really up... I'm thinking that even if I got something like a pb12 it would have done the same in that corner...

I hope that's the case for ED's sake!

Anyone else see the A7-700 on the eD blog?

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/gallery/267_large.jpg

Pretty big, and that's just the dual 15s. Then coming soon, the A7-900, which is dual 18s!

Still waiting for my A2-300... Still under construction...

Wow that's a lot of subwoofer for $1360 delivered after discount.

Wow that's a lot of subwoofer for $1360 delivered after discount.

Indeed. :cool:

Holy smokes!

That dude is likely a "little person" of some kind, or at least "altitude challenged".

What is the WAF rating on that sub?

I think the other objects in the room rule out the "little person" theory ;)

That's a helluva alot of sub. I'd be interested in seeing a version of it in that vertical positioning with grills over the drivers and ports/amp.

Can anyone comment on the strength/linearity of the drivers used?

Tim

Well after watching a bit of Harry Potter 4 with the sub I have to say it makes quite a low end impact. This thing has some PUNCH and some major rumble during this movie. I havent had a chance to really calibrate it to fit in my situation, but so far its been a great experience for me. Just my 2 cents.

What is the WAF rating on that sub?

Negative 11 billion! ... approximately :D .

How come the ED discounts are not up in the "Power Buy" section?

That A7 looks a bit like the Velo you see in Sterophile magazine ads. I keep telling my wife we would win the bass war with our neighbors quite handily with it :D

Well, the new A7-700 with dual 15" is up! ;) 127db in room! :eek: :eek:

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?cPath=2_41&products_id=408

ordered an a5-300.. $200 cheaper than a HSU STF-3 at max extension, think ill just pocket the $200.

You ruined my prank!


Ok, now it's fixed.

Can anyone say if these subs operate or sound any good yet? Are they a real value?
Tight or ported (air) sounding? Anything to go on? Thanks.

Anyone else see the A7-700 on the eD blog?

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/gallery/267_large.jpg

Pretty big, and that's just the dual 15s. Then coming soon, the A7-900, which is dual 18s!

Still waiting for my A2-300... Still under construction...

Whoa, it looks so much smaller than I had pictured it. Then again, I have a DTS-20 so everything else looks small. :D

Wow , I should have started a post here in august when I got the I believe to be the second A5-300, (it didnt really have a name then) .

It really did need about 20 or so hours to loosen up a bit.


Heres a size pic against my old JBL at the time

http://www.flickr.com/photos/oppy/206829362/

Wow , I should have started a post here in august when I got the I believe to be the second A5-300, (it didnt really have a name then) .

It really did need about 20 or so hours to loosen up a bit.

Heres a size pic against my old JBL at the time

http://www.flickr.com/photos/oppy/206829362/

Did this one have bracing inside? I see that the newer ones on the ED web site have it.

I would hate to have those cracks on the finished product, although I don't think that I'll have a problem with the A2-300 I had ordered...we'll see soon enough ;) it should be here next week sometime.

Did this one have bracing inside? I see that the newer ones on the ED web site have it.

I would hate to have those cracks on the finished product, although I don't think that I'll have a problem with the A2-300 I had ordered...we'll see soon enough ;) it should be here next week sometime.

That is constructed the same as the current A5-300's.

The cracks in the MDF there are partially due to the fact that it was extremely humid at the time that was built. Without the primer/paint to lock out moisture, the rounded over surface of the box acted like a sponge...and random expansion can lead to the small cracks in the edge.

Good news is that with 1.5" of wood all around and 2.25" on the bottom, small cracks in the outer layers edge don't cause an issue in sound as there's no way air is escaping from them. Also, when the boxes are painted immediately after being sanded and rounded over, there are zero issues like that.

I'd wager that if a bare cabinet was shipped now, it would not end up with the small cracks due to the fact that it is now freezing out here in Iowa, very much so not humid.

That is constructed the same as the current A5-300's.


I read a post earlier in this thread and someone said that the A2-300's didn't have the extra bracing that the other models had.

I read a post earlier in this thread and someone said that the A2-300's didn't have the extra bracing that the other models had.

That is correct, the A2-300's don't have the bracing.

However, I thought your question was directed towards LawrenceJ as you quoted his post in yours. He purchased the A5-300 which does have the 1.5" thick walls and skeletal bracing. His A5-300 was built the exact same way the A5-300's that are shipping now were built :)

Oops, I miss read the A5-300, I thought that it said A2-300 :o .

Those tiny ass cracks are covered with 3 coats of kilz oil primer now :)



Can't say one bad thing about the sub other than my wife thinks its to big :D

Here are some shots of the new full range speakers upclose.

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=32057

Didnt eD say they are making their own amps?

I just saw the picture of the 200watt amp in their A2-350 or whatever the one is that uses the 200 watt amp, and it looks EXACTALLY like an amp I bought from MCM a while back. They definitally are not making them themselves, they are just ordering them out of the same chinese cataloghouse.

Didnt eD say they are making their own amps?

I just saw the picture of the 200watt amp in their A2-350 or whatever the one is that uses the 200 watt amp, and it looks EXACTALLY like an amp I bought from MCM a while back. They definitally are not making them themselves, they are just ordering them out of the same chinese cataloghouse.

Considering all of the sketchy things that eD has done in the car audio world, it wouldn't suprise me...

Didnt eD say they are making their own amps?

I just saw the picture of the 200watt amp in their A2-350 or whatever the one is that uses the 200 watt amp, and it looks EXACTALLY like an amp I bought from MCM a while back. They definitally are not making them themselves, they are just ordering them out of the same chinese cataloghouse.

They have mentioned about making there own but I don't think that has happened yet. Give it some time.....

Considering all of the sketchy things that eD has done in the car audio world, it wouldn't suprise me...

This is a BOLD statement....Could you enlighten us a little here? Sketchy?

I just ordered the A7-600... with the coupon and free shipping.. $935 out the door!

I just ordered the A7-600... with the coupon and free shipping.. $935 out the door!

LOL....Will you use this as your casket at the time of your demise?

I think the other objects in the room rule out the "little person" theory
No no.. I think it's quite possible what we're seeing here is a little person with the available funds to have all his surroundings shrunken down :)
I just ordered the A7-600... with the coupon and free shipping.. $935 out the door!
What other subs have you had in the past for comparison sake? Congrats!

This is my first sub. I was looking at the SVS Plus/2 but this is $400 cheaper and similar specifications. My living room +dining + kitchen is 4400 cubic feet so I needed dual.

Can someone here give a comparative review of any of this companies subs vs another good brand/model to give us an idea of sound quality? Thanks.

Can someone here give a comparative review of any of this companies subs vs another good brand/model to give us an idea of sound quality? Thanks.

I am looking for that too, 11 pages of talk about the subs and no real answer to if these are the real deal or just hype.
I am specifically interested in thoughts on the A2-300.

They have mentioned about making there own but I don't think that has happened yet. Give it some time.....



This is a BOLD statement....Could you enlighten us a little here? Sketchy?

Gladly. How about running preorders where they charge your credit card months in advanced so that they can have enough money to go into production. Not to mention that practically every preorder they have ever done has not been on time and some have not even come to fruition. Selling flawed drivers and not heeding buildhouse recommendations that their designs were flawed. The newest fiasco involves eD claiming that tangband stole their design of the "sq10", when pretty much everyone in the car audio world knows that it is the other way around. To make matters worse, Ben runs the ICIX forum like a nazi and anyone who tries to post anything questioning eD's business practices in anyway will get their thread deleted and will be banned. And to be honest, all of this stuff is just scratching the surface, if you look into eD's history you will find even more tales of lies, deceit, and scandal.

Sorry about splitting up my posts, but I just joined and have some links to other forums that detail some of eD's "sketchy" practices, but I cannot post links until I have 5 posts.

I am looking for that too, 11 pages of talk about the subs and no real answer to if these are the real deal or just hype.
I am specifically interested in thoughts on the A2-300.

Hey Jeff, I dont have an SPL meter. Any movies in particular you'd like me to try out and see how the sub responds? I dont really know how else to help you guys figure out if these are as good as you hoped.

If I have any of the movies you guys suggest, I'll try em.

Sorry about splitting up my posts, but I just joined and have some links to other forums that detail some of eD's "sketchy" practices, but I cannot post links until I have 5 posts.

Well so far I havent been disappointed by the sub in any way. Its been able to dig deep and keep up. I watched beerfest last week and theres a point where a guy lets out a HUGE belch that lasts and lasts and the sub just rattled the entire apartment no problem. No need for bass shakers :D

To be perfectly honest, the reason why the amp situation doesn't suprise me, is because eD is the king of rebadging products and calling them their own. I already mentioned the tangband situation with their "sq10", there component sets are rebadged CDT component sets, and some have even claimed that older versions of their eDead sound deadener was rebadged Peel 'n' Seel roofing material. Even with their subwoofer lines, there is some question of what happened between eD and Image Dynamics. As I said early, none of these situations would probably seem that bad, except that whenever anyone asks a question about them on ICIX, their thread gets deleted and their account gets banned.

Well so far I havent been disappointed by the sub in any way. Its been able to dig deep and keep up. I watched beerfest last week and theres a point where a guy lets out a HUGE belch that lasts and lasts and the sub just rattled the entire apartment no problem. No need for bass shakers :D

The fortunate thing is that at least recently, there products have been pretty solid and very competitive pricing. It is just that at least in the car audio world, many people refuse to deal with Ben and eD, because they have been screwed too many times in the past. I just wanted to give you guys a heads up of who you are dealing with.

As promised, this thread (http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61209&highlight=eD+HC) explains a lot of the initial controversy that started surrounding eD a few years ago. Unfortunately the controversy has only continued to grow, and if you search on any major car audio forum you will uncover countless other threads that explain other aspects of eD's disreputable practices.

what is this amp controversy?

As promised, this thread (http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61209&highlight=eD+HC) explains a lot of the initial controversy that started surrounding eD a few years ago. Unfortunately the controversy has only continued to grow, and if you search on any major car audio forum you will uncover countless other threads that explain other aspects of eD's disreputable practices.

I'm not going to lie, seeing that build quality issue with the previous car drivers scares me quite a bit. :(

what is this amp controversy?

Which one? If you are referring to the one that was just brought up about their plate amps being rebadged amps out of a chinese catalog, I will admit that I have no room to speak on that. As I said early, it just seems like something they would do, but I cannot say if they actually are. But you could be reffering to the nine.1 preorder fiasco...

have people asked them directly about this? What was the damned response?

And for the record, I would be lying if I wasn't tempted to get one of these eD subs myself. Ever since I have been in college without a car, I have really been out of the car audio seen and have started getting into home audio. I joined this forum to research home audio subwoofers.

have people asked them directly about this? What was the damned response?

Like I said, you don't get one, you get banned...

so howd you find out about the amp situation if they deleted it?

so howd you find out about the amp situation if they deleted it?

nine.1 or these plate amps?

plate amps. Now I'm just worried about the product in my living room! :D

plate amps. Now I'm just worried about the product in my living room! :D

If it sounds good don't worry about. There is just not enough proof at this point to substantiate a claim that they didn't design these and no one mentioned anything about the quality of the amp being sub-standard. Of course, if they are buying them from a catalog, I wouldn't be the least bit suprised.

mdsimon2, i appreciate your warnings, but heres the way you could 100% prove this. Make an account on the icix forums, post the thread that will get deleted, and you banned. Tell us at what time youre going to do this so we can be witness to it. I dont think its that much to ask for some very big claims.

mdsimon2, i appreciate your warnings, but heres the way you could 100% prove this. Make an account on the icix forums, post the thread that will get deleted, and you banned. Tell us at what time youre going to do this so we can be witness to it. I dont think its that much to ask for some very big claims.

It is common knowledge in the car audio world that Ben runs ICIX like a nazi, but if you insist, I will make a thread about the sq10 situation and lets see what happens. I should have it up in the eD car audio forum in a few minutes.

Actually I was just looking through the "Ben Milne Love Parade" on carstereos.org (for those that don't know it is a 200 page thread devoted to people's bad experiences with Ben), and other people have already been IP banned for talking about the SQ10 situation. Unfortunately, if you want read about it, you have to be a member of carstereos.org to have access to the thread...

mdsimon2, i appreciate your warnings, but heres the way you could 100% prove this. Make an account on the icix forums, post the thread that will get deleted, and you banned. Tell us at what time youre going to do this so we can be witness to it. I dont think its that much to ask for some very big claims.

Everything about that speaker that we will disclose has already been discussed several times on ICIX.

Here is the original development thread:

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17696

The first release thread after retooling:

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=26967

And our pre-production sale thread:

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=31523

All SQ10's started shipping on Thursday, December 7th and are a 100% in stock same day shipping item if you wanted to pick one up.

Well that thread lasted about 15-min before being closed. Yes their right to do so but found nothing in the starters post to be attacking or troll bashing. ED fans come to the thread and one even acuses the stater of the thread as a troll.

I didn't even get to post the below as they shut it down before it could be posted.

From the ED thread:
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nice troll post.
no biters here mang.

Troll post, huh..!

Seems he asked a few questions HERE at ED's forum regarding a ED-product that he obviously has heard things about, true or not. He also did this in a polite way and asked Ben the owner to respond to help clear up what might be crap or not & possibly info correct or not floating around on other forums etc.

Trolls usually bash a product (who evers) and regardless of the truth (they will refuse to belive it). They certainly would not come here to ED and politly ask for real answers from the "source".

I see no attack or troll bashing here in the thread starters post.!

Regards
Geoff ¥
===>

While some info is certainly on site regarding the questions asked about the SQ10, it is far from being defined clear info regarding the questions asked in the thread that was so quickly closed. Only info they prefer to release/post, their right I guess. While ED product problems have lessened massively in the last year & 1/2 or so, this likely cannot not help people to have great confidence in ED's stuff.

I own many ED drivers etc with NO problems with anything to date and have always been treated very well. Be clear on this please.!

This just makes ED look kinda bad to me and certainly ~{may or may not be deserved given todays current ED shipping products}~.

Ok, done...
Cheers
Geoff ¥

Well that thread lasted about 15-min before being closed. Yes their right to do so but found nothing in the starters post to be attacking or troll bashing. ED fans come to the thread and one even acuses the stater of the thread as a troll.

I didn't even get to post the below as they shut it down before it could be posted.

From the ED thread:
==>


Troll post, huh..!

Seems he asked a few questions HERE at ED's forum regarding a ED-product that he obviously has heard things about, true or not. He also did this in a polite way and asked Ben the owner to respond to help clear up what might be crap or not & possibly info correct or not floating around on other forums etc.

Trolls usually bash a product (who evers) and regardless of the truth (they will refuse to belive it). They certainly would not come here to ED and politly ask for real answers from the "source".

I see no attack or troll bashing here in the thread starters post.!

Regards
Geoff ¥
===>

While some info is certainly on site regarding the questions asked about the SQ10, it is far from being defined clear info regarding the questions asked in the thread that was so quickly closed. Only info they prefer to release/post, their right I guess. While ED product problems have lessened massively in the last year & 1/2 or so, this likely cannot not help people to have great confidence in ED's stuff.

I own many ED drivers etc with NO problems with anything to date and have always been treated very well. Be clear on this please.!

This just makes ED look kinda bad to me and certainly ~{may or may not be deserved given todays current ED shipping products}~.

Ok, done...
Cheers
Geoff ¥

Yep, that's what seems to happen far to often. I really want to ask Ben about some comments that Dan Wiggins has made. Dan said that he has had the drawings for the motor and the majority of parts for that driver in his possesion for at least 16 months, but I by the time I was going to post my account was warned and the thread was locked. Oh, well it really only hurts their image.

Yep, that's what seems to happen far to often. I really want to ask Ben about some comments that Dan Wiggins has made. Dan said that he has had the drawings for the motor and the majority of parts for that driver in his possesion for at least 16 months, but I by the time I was going to post my account was warned and the thread was locked. Oh, well it really only hurts their image.

We are a privately held company. Some things should not be discussed in a public forum. People asking us to disclose names of partners/tooling facilities, will not be answered. As mentioned earlier, everything that is going to be stated publicly about the origins of the SQ10 by eD already has been. I can understand that some people want more knowledge about the inner workings of a company, but it's kind of like asking Coca-Cola for the recipe. You will not get an answer that allows you to reproduce the product.

Also, people generally look at it as trolling when a first post comes across in an accusatory manor. Especially when that post was started as a dare to prove that you will be banned in a thread on another forum where you were attempting to steer people away from the company.

Well that thread lasted about 15-min before being closed. Yes their right to do so but found nothing in the starters post to be attacking or troll bashing. ED fans come to the thread and one even acuses the stater of the thread as a troll.

I didn't even get to post the below as they shut it down before it could be posted.

From the ED thread:
==>


Troll post, huh..!

Seems he asked a few questions HERE at ED's forum regarding a ED-product that he obviously has heard things about, true or not. He also did this in a polite way and asked Ben the owner to respond to help clear up what might be crap or not & possibly info correct or not floating around on other forums etc.

Trolls usually bash a product (who evers) and regardless of the truth (they will refuse to belive it). They certainly would not come here to ED and politly ask for real answers from the "source".

I see no attack or troll bashing here in the thread starters post.!

Regards
Geoff ¥
===>

While some info is certainly on site regarding the questions asked about the SQ10, it is far from being defined clear info regarding the questions asked in the thread that was so quickly closed. Only info they prefer to release/post, their right I guess. While ED product problems have lessened massively in the last year & 1/2 or so, this likely cannot not help people to have great confidence in ED's stuff.

I own many ED drivers etc with NO problems with anything to date and have always been treated very well. Be clear on this please.!

This just makes ED look kinda bad to me and certainly ~{may or may not be deserved given todays current ED shipping products}~.

Ok, done...
Cheers
Geoff ¥


Geoff,

As I'm sure you are aware the internet is a very small place.

Before that thread even existed I was aware it would be started because of a post earlier in this thread by gotchaforce:

"mdsimon2, i appreciate your warnings, but heres the way you could 100% prove this. Make an account on the icix forums, post the thread that will get deleted, and you banned. Tell us at what time youre going to do this so we can be witness to it. I dont think its that much to ask for some very big claims."

Please understand, when a person joins a forum to try and push people away from a product, then joins that companies forum to start questioning them on a product that's already been discussed and when he knows that no further information will be given about said product in a public forum, most people would consider that trolling.

A thread, started with the intention of getting the OP banned and the thread deleted doesn't look like much other than someone trolling.

The SQ10 is already shipping(1.5 weeks BEFORE the other product in question) and has nothing to do with our HT lineup.

Now please, let's leave this thread to people who want to discuss our HT lineup, hopefully more people will chime in with reviews of the products.

Chris

Geoff,

As I'm sure you are aware the internet is a very small place.

Before that thread even existed I was aware it would be started because of a post earlier in this thread by gotchaforce:

"mdsimon2, i appreciate your warnings, but heres the way you could 100% prove this. Make an account on the icix forums, post the thread that will get deleted, and you banned. Tell us at what time youre going to do this so we can be witness to it. I dont think its that much to ask for some very big claims."

Please understand, when a person joins a forum to try and push people away from a product, then joins that companies forum to start questioning them on a product that's already been discussed and when he knows that no further information will be given about said product in a public forum, most people would consider that trolling.

A thread, started with the intention of getting the OP banned and the thread deleted doesn't look like much other than someone trolling.

The SQ10 is already shipping(1.5 weeks BEFORE the other product in question) and has nothing to do with our HT lineup.

Now please, let's leave this thread to people who want to discuss our HT lineup, hopefully more people will chime in with reviews of the products.

Chris

If you had read my posts, you would have seen that I joined this forum not to push people away from eD, but to research subwoofers for my dorm room. I am pretty sure that I also mentioned that I was even tempted to purchase an eD sub. I have used eD products in the past in my car and have been pleased with some and disgusted by others.

Geoff,

As I'm sure you are aware the internet is a very small place.

Before that thread even existed I was aware it would be started because of a post earlier in this thread by gotchaforce:

"mdsimon2, i appreciate your warnings, but heres the way you could 100% prove this. Make an account on the icix forums, post the thread that will get deleted, and you banned. Tell us at what time youre going to do this so we can be witness to it. I dont think its that much to ask for some very big claims."

Please understand, when a person joins a forum to try and push people away from a product, then joins that companies forum to start questioning them on a product that's already been discussed and when he knows that no further information will be given about said product in a public forum, most people would consider that trolling.

A thread, started with the intention of getting the OP banned and the thread deleted doesn't look like much other than someone trolling.

The SQ10 is already shipping(1.5 weeks BEFORE the other product in question) and has nothing to do with our HT lineup.

Now please, let's leave this thread to people who want to discuss our HT lineup, hopefully more people will chime in with reviews of the products.

Chris

Any response to the plate amp accusation?

If you had read my posts, you would have seen that I joined this forum not to push people away from eD, but to research subwoofers for my dorm room. I am pretty sure that I also mentioned that I was even tempted to purchase an eD sub. I have used eD products in the past in my car and have been pleased with some and disgusted by others.


I did notice you mention that.

However, as you stated you were splitting up posts in order to more quickly get enough so that you could link people to a thread which was created simply as a source of hatred towards Ben, I think you can see how someone might think differently.

Please, shoot me an e-mail if you've had any unresolved issues with any eD products in the past. cschempp AT edesignaudio DOT com is my e-mail address, please drop me a line and let me know if we can assist you in any way.

Any response to the plate amp accusation?

that is what i thought mdsimon was going to ask about... and that is still what im concerned about

You guys are making me worried about the $270 purchase I made...

Now please, let's leave this thread to people who want to discuss our HT lineup, hopefully more people will chime in with reviews of the products.


Currently HSU, SVS & AV123 are arguably the models for a successfull internet direct speaker company. All three of those companies have one thing in common besides their well made products.

They are extremely open in their dealings with their customer base.

You might want to remember that this is a forum full of potential customers. So far the vibe I'm getting from those within the company doesn't raise my interest level in potentially giving them my money.

You guys are making me worried about the $270 purchase I made...

I too made a $270 purchase and I am not worried about it, this is my first purchase from ED and from what I have been reading about their HT the people who own it like their purchases very much. My sub should be here sometime next week and will have more feedback then.

Keep in mind the A2-300 has a 3 year warranty.

Guys, I don't know ED, I'm interested in their HT product. Someone did start taking subtle shots, then not so subtle. They've replied in a business like manner with reasonable responses. Since no one is having any QC issues with the amps or the few units received, what are you worried about. Enjoy your sub, test it and tell others your experience. I want to read about this sub...someone test it, compare it to something and post.

Currently HSU, SVS & AV123 are arguably the models for a successfull internet direct speaker company. All three of those companies have one thing in common besides their well made products.

They are extremely open in their dealings with their customer base.

You might want to remember that this is a forum full of potential customers. So far the vibe I'm getting from those within the company doesn't raise my interest level in potentially giving them my money.

How open? I tried to get t/s parameters from them(SVS) for an older subwoofer and they would not give it up. They said they would help build an enclosure but I never got a reply back when I asked. They can't give all their info away.
This sounds like the OCZ ram fiasco a few years back but they came back strong and they are one of the best ram companies out there with great customer service.

From the looks of it the H100 looks like it has the same amp as the smaller HSU.
Does that mean that the HSU is junk?

Look, the latest review of the pb12-nsd in Sound & Vision didn't make it look as impressive since it was an in-room measurement.

This is my first sub. I was looking at the SVS Plus/2 but this is $400 cheaper and similar specifications. My living room +dining + kitchen is 4400 cubic feet so I needed dual.
Thanks! I'm really in no position to pick one up myself considering the room full I already have or had, but I admit being very tempted.. even though it would be just to get a good fix on the situation.

How open? I tried to get t/s parameters from them(SVS) for an older subwoofer and they would not give it up. They said they would help build an enclosure but I never got a reply back when I asked. They can't give all their info away.
This sounds like the OCZ ram fiasco a few years back but they came back strong and they are one of the best ram companies out there with great customer service.

From the looks of it the H100 looks like it has the same amp as the smaller HSU. Does that mean that the HSU is junk?

No, Dr HSU was consluted and played a role in the design on the H-100 which so looking at it from the oposite side it means the H-100 is that much better for it.

Thanks! I'm really in no position to pick one up myself considering the room full I already have or had, but I admit being very tempted.. even though it would be just to get a good fix on the situation.C'mon Steve, you can do it... :p

No, Dr HSU was consluted and played a role in the design on the H-100 which so looking at it from the oposite side it means the H-100 is that much better for it.

You got a good point... I'm looking at it the wrong way..

Recieved the A2-300 this week. The quality of the paint job is questionable. My unit should not have been sent out in this condition. I will leave it at that for now, I will contact edesign next week.

Recieved the A2-300 this week. The quality of the paint job is questionable. My unit should not have been sent out in this condition. I will leave it at that for now, I will contact edesign next week.

Oh man you gotta photobucket or upload some pics of it! Whats messed up? Mine had a few white specs on it but a little sharpie time cleared that up. The rugged finish has grown on me. I'm not afraid of using the sub as an end-table! :p

wat was wrong w/the paint job?nyc

Oh man you gotta photobucket or upload some pics of it! Whats messed up? Mine had a few white specs on it but a little sharpie time cleared that up. The rugged finish has grown on me. I'm not afraid of using the sub as an end-table! :p


u got any pics..how does it hold up as far as movies?

I just want to throw my two cents into this conversation.

I've ordered several car audio products from ED in the past, and have been nothing but pleased with both the product and customer service.

And would like to add I'm still eagerly awaiting my a5-300 to get here :)

u got any pics..how does it hold up as far as movies?

No pics as of yet as this sub is tucked away basically out of sight. Right now I'm watching the first Pirates of the Caribbean and its thundering quite nicely.

I guess it was just a matter of time before this happened...

The whole 'You can't trust eD' is a pretty common thing over at soundillusions.net/carstereo.org. If you question their motivation, you get banned on their site, but they talk for hours and hours about eD and their motivation.

It's really quite funny, and rather petty.

I've been into car audio for some years. Maybe 3 years ago, I ordered a new sub that eD did that had a flat cone and sold for under $100. I used the hell out of that thing for at least 1.5 years until one day my car was totalled in an accident and the voice coil popped out of the channel in the magnet (not very technical, but it paints a pic, right). I tried to stick it back in, but it must have bent the cardboard part a bit and it made scratching noises.

So, I stuck the sub in the corner for a few months until I remembered eD had a 3 year warranty. So, seeing that it'd been over a year, but under 2, I called them up and told them the story. They said they'd be more than happy to take a look at it, and would I mind shipping it back to them.

So, I did, and they said they were going to replace it with a newer driver, the one in the a2-300 (13kv2). I now drove a truck every day, so i told them that wouldn't work for me, but i wanted to get their more expensive 10 incher. They said no problem, and i ended up with that sub for like $35 above/beyond my warranty replacement.

I've been using that sub w/o issue for over a year now (and I'm not kind on the subs in car audio...I like em blasting!).

More recently, within the last year, they had a blowout sale on b stock items, specifically the 13kv2 (same driver in the a2-300 again). They were like $50 shipped because they were trying to get rid of them.

Anyway, I ordered one and it came bent. It was actually UPS' fault, but I talked to eD and they had UPS pick it back up and a few days later I had a non-b stock 13kv2 sitting at my door. I built a box for my cousin and gave it to him for his birthday and it's been wanging ever since. And I believe that warranty is transferable.


So, now, enter the home sub world. They released their new subs at a great deal, and all they are is basically a plate amp (which anyone can get for cheap...thanks parts express!), boxes that from my view (and all the building pictures I've seen) look to be put together very well, and an already proven driver.

My only complain was here:

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=32013

And please note that I didn't get banned, accused of being a troll, or whatever. The problem got fixed, is what happened.

Anyway, I'm in the same boat as others, waiting to see the a2-300, and wondering if i made a good decision buying a sub I have to wait like 3 more weeks for, and then seeing such good reviews on the Cadence and the BIC subs, and wondering if I wouldn't be served better going with one of those, since they're basically the same price.

But, eD hasn't let me down with a product yet, so I think I'm going to stick out the wait.

Just had to add that, since the crap-talkers like to pick on eD so much. :)

You get all kinds of naysayers everywhere....I've even seen on some forums of people grouping the BIC acoustech speakers with white van speakers.

Anyway, I'm in the same boat as others, waiting to see the a2-300, and wondering if i made a good decision buying a sub I have to wait like 3 more weeks for, and then seeing such good reviews on the Cadence and the BIC subs, and wondering if I wouldn't be served better going with one of those, since they're basically the same price.


I'm in the exact same boat as you. My sub has been under construction since 11/30, I didn't realize that they are such a small company. But I understand that they would be overwhelmed with orders (the specs, the price). Although the wife is wondering where my $270 went to, I just tell her "patience...patience..." :-)

Brian,

That's funny. My wife actually bought mine for me. How's that for WAF? ;)

Does anyone have any of their home theater subs at home that can compare it to any other brand, and comment on it in detail? I have never seen a thread like this before on AVS...

Sound quality comparison? Thanks.

Geoff,

As I'm sure you are aware the internet is a very small place.
........

Now please, let's leave this thread to people who want to discuss our HT lineup, hopefully more people will chime in with reviews of the products.

Chris

I'd love to, but I'm patiently waiting for it to arrive :) When it does arrive, I have a BFD, REW, Digital RS SPL, new cal files and a ton of movies waiting for it.

Like most ppl here, this looks very promising and all the back talk isn't important. I just want the sub and I'll test it, and report back so others can form an opinion on it based on another enthusiast's experience with it.

What's so tempting about this sub is the spec's on paper make it look so promising: decent amp - doesn't matter where or who makes it as long as it's decent quality. (As for if it's made in China, what electronics isn't? pretty much of the amps you can get your hands on for DIY are manufactured in China), 12" driver, and large enclosure that looks well constructed judging from the pictures on their site...possibly making it close to performance to the watermark for subs under 500, SVS PB10 but at a substantial smaller cost.

The room is 12' X 23' X 8', Pioneer 1015, Paradigm Monitor 11's, cc370 and comparing it to an Athena P4000. The Athena tapers off at around 25 Hz, so I'm hoping that the A2-300 will go 5 Hz deeper flat, but we'll see. If I have time, I may lug it over to my friend's house who has a Servo 15 just for kicks.

In terms of what's happening in the auto world, doesn't really concern me. Only the performance this sub and my experience with the company if I have problems. And I'll let people know how everything goes. Since I ordered on Nov 30th, I've been checking on the site for any updates on my sub.....just can't stand the waiting...I'm going to call tomorrow and see what's the ETA......

Is this an AUTO SOUND thread? This is becoming a ridiculous. Is it safe to say that this is just a dirt cheap, POS sub? Why not just buy a Cerwin Vega and forget all this?
I'm out - good luck with the bargain basement. What an ignorant thread...

ace5000, I have been building a HT for over 4 months now. I am new to this site. I will have about $10,000 into it which I know isnt much comared to many on this sight but I want to first of all comment on how much knoledge I have gained. Most of these threads are awesome I really appreciate people sharing what they have done and when I am finished I will post some pics and share in return.
That said, I have a budget. A great deal of my money has gone into greek columns, tile flooring, ceiling, projector ect. If I can save $2-400 on a quality low priced sub. I AM INTERESTED. I have read this entire thread and would be very dissapointed if even one member quite posting replies because someone was disgruntled with this thread. If you dont like it, just dont read it. Is it that difficult?
Now, other members please continue to report back on this sub there are a lot of us more quiet folks reading and waiting to make an informed decision. thanx again.

Ordered My A2-250 28th November and it's been shipped, scheduled for delivery Wednesday 13th December.

I ordered my A2-300 on the 28th of November. I contacted ED today to see when I should be expecting it. When I ordered it they said it would be about 2 weeks which would be this Wednesday. Today they said that I should have it within the next 2 weeks :eek: . I was hoping to have it this week :( , or at least before Christmas.

I know that they have had quite a few orders of the A2-300 come in, but hearing that it will be another 2 weeks (Twice as long as expected) it came to quite a shock to me. (My wife is more upset about this than I am). I guess it will be a while before I can give my opinion on the sub :( .

I ordered my A2-300 on the 28th of November. I contacted ED today to see when I should be expecting it. When I ordered it they said it would be about 2 weeks which would be this Wednesday. Today they said that I should have it within the next 2 weeks :eek: . I was hoping to have it this week :( , or at least before Christmas.

I know that they have had quite a few orders of the A2-300 come in, but hearing that it will be another 2 weeks (Twice as long as expected) it came to quite a shock to me. (My wife is more upset about this than I am). I guess it will be a while before I can give my opinion on the sub :( .Crap. I ordered mine the 30th... I was told two weeks as well.. :(

I shot them an email last night, we'll see if I get the same reply.

What a nightmare this sounds like. I am starting to assume that this sub is not all it is cracked up to be and the service seems to be lacking as well. I am glad that I went the route I did. I have had two Premier Acoustic subs for exactly one week now and couldn't be happier. I am going to post a review and some pics soon.

I called ED and they told me that I would have my sub in 10 days if I ordered one now. It seems they are misquoting time frames on when people will be getting their subs. If you are back logged 4 weeks, just tell people that. What also concerns me is because they are currently in high demand, they might be trying to rush these out and the quality might be sub par because of it.

Ha ha. LOL. I just saw that "sub par" pun intended. :)

Well, I talked to Ben over the weekend about an A6-700 and he said it would be 4-5 weeks but they are scheduling overtime so it could be done a lot sooner. I don't think they are purposely giving wrong shipping times.

What a nightmare this sounds like. I am starting to assume that this sub is not all it is cracked up to be and the service seems to be lacking as well. I am glad that I went the route I did. I have had two Premier Acoustic subs for exactly one week now and couldn't be happier. I am going to post a review and some pics soon.

I called ED and they told me that I would have my sub in 10 days if I ordered one now. It seems they are misquoting time frames on when people will be getting their subs. If you are back logged 4 weeks, just tell people that. What also concerns me is because they are currently in high demand, they might be trying to rush these out and the quality might be sub par because of it.

Ha ha. LOL. I just saw that "sub par" pun intended. :)

Jeff,

If we were rushing items out the door, there would be no back log.

Unfortunately we were not expecting quite the response we received for these items and our pre-built inventory quickly flew out the door. We are currently working to get them built and out to customers as quickly as possible, but not so fast that the quality of the item goes down. If anyone is wondering when their specific sub is going to ship, please shoot me an e-mail or give us a call. We'll do our best to get you the most accurate estimate possible.

Also, as far as the initial estimates go, we weren't trying to mislead anyone, those were our best estimates with our previous knowledge of how long it took to get these out. Of course, when production increases 10 fold, our old estimates got kicked to the curb.

Chris

Jeff,

If we were rushing items out the door, there would be no back log.

Unfortunately we were not expecting quite the response we received for these items and our pre-built inventory quickly flew out the door. We are currently working to get them built and out to customers as quickly as possible, but not so fast that the quality of the item goes down. If anyone is wondering when their specific sub is going to ship, please shoot me an e-mail or give us a call. We'll do our best to get you the most accurate estimate possible.

Also, as far as the initial estimates go, we weren't trying to mislead anyone, those were our best estimates with our previous knowledge of how long it took to get these out. Of course, when production increases 10 fold, our old estimates got kicked to the curb.

Chris


My assumptions were based upon some of the reviews that I have read. Some have said that there have been some problems with the box, some fit and finish type of stuff.

My assumptions were based upon some of the reviews that I have read. Some have said that there have been some problems with the box, some fit and finish type of stuff.

Jeff, what about the positive reviews? You seem bent on focusing on minor complaints where eD can solve. So far the complaints have been cosmetic.
I'm happy your sub purchases were satisfing but so are eD owners. I'm one of them. eD has a 30 day return policy, 3 year warranty. Do your subs have this policy/warranty? I don't know. I'm asking.

Order one and wait. THEN compare to your current subs and THEN make a fair assessment. eD is in it's HT infancy. So was SVS. SVS expanded to accomodate the demand.
My sample has done a great job so far. It slams with authority. So good, I ordered another one. IMO, it's a steal.
Curious, may I ask what you spent?

Jeff, what about the positive reviews? You seem bent on focusing on minor complaints where eD can solve. So far the complaints have been cosmetic.
I'm happy your sub purchases were satisfing but so are eD owners. I'm one of them. eD has a 30 day return policy, 3 year warranty. Do your subs have this policy/warranty? I don't know. I'm asking.

Order one and wait. THEN compare to your current subs and THEN make a fair assessment. eD is in it's HT infancy. So was SVS. SVS expanded to accomodate the demand.
My sample has done a great job so far. It slams with authority. So good, I ordered another one. IMO, it's a steal.
Curious, may I ask what you spent?

I haven't really heard a positive review yet. I have heard that it slams and rumbles with authority. IMO, that really isn't a review. And when making that assesment, what subs are you comparing it too? I am not being negative, I just want to know if it is a good sub. It might be a steal at $235 or $300 or whatever they are charging for it now but can it compete with some of the stuff being offered from HSU,Outlaw, SVS, Premier Acoustic, Bic? I am willing to pay a couple of extra hundred dollars if it is worth it. Believe me, I have high hopes for ED, I started a thread about them over at hometheaterforum.com. I just hope they can deliver.

Also, I wish I could order one but I am not going to order one until there are a lot more reviews up on it. I would love to do an ED and Premier Acoustic comparison. but am already ordering either an SVS or HSU to do a comparison with.

I haven't really heard a positive review yet. I have heard that it slams and rumbles with authority. IMO, that really isn't a review. And when making that assesment, what subs are you comparing it too? I am not being negative, I just want to know if it is a good sub. It might be a steal at $235 or $300 or whatever they are charging for it now but can it compete with some of the stuff being offered from HSU,Outlaw, SVS, Premier Acoustic, Bic? I am willing to pay a couple of extra hundred dollars if it is worth it. Believe me, I have high hopes for ED, I started a thread about them over at hometheaterforum.com. I just hope they can deliver.

Also, I wish I could order one but I am not going to order one until there are a lot more reviews up on it. I would love to do an ED and Premier Acoustic comparison. but am already ordering either an SVS or HSU to do a comparison with.

Hi Jefff,

The reviews I'm talkng about are priliminary results. It competes very well with the big boys. And yes, it's a good sub. I would compare it to a SVS PB12 NSD sound quality with slightly less power. And that's not bad at all. ;)

Hi Jefff,

The reviews I'm talkng about are priliminary results. It competes very well with the big boys. And yes, it's a good sub. I would compare it to a SVS PB12 NSD sound quality with slightly less power. And that's not bad at all. ;)

Will someone that has the A2-300 be willing to give a more in depth review? Maybe post some pics?
And comparing it to the PB12 NSD, that is a pretty bold statement. Very promising though. :)

ace5000, I have been building a HT for over 4 months now. I am new to this site. I will have about $10,000 into it which I know isnt much comared to many on this sight but I want to first of all comment on how much knoledge I have gained. Most of these threads are awesome I really appreciate people sharing what they have done and when I am finished I will post some pics and share in return.
That said, I have a budget. A great deal of my money has gone into greek columns, tile flooring, ceiling, projector ect. If I can save $2-400 on a quality low priced sub. I AM INTERESTED. I have read this entire thread and would be very dissapointed if even one member quite posting replies because someone was disgruntled with this thread. If you dont like it, just dont read it. Is it that difficult?
Now, other members please continue to report back on this sub there are a lot of us more quiet folks reading and waiting to make an informed decision. thanx again.

Hooray for speaking up......I just didn't want to be the one to be hated.

Will someone that has the A2-300 be willing to give a more in depth review? Maybe post some pics?
And comparing it to the PB12 NSD, that is a pretty bold statement. Very promising though. :)

Well, that's what I hear. Or my room works magical wonders on subs. :o

I'll post some pics. Finally have my camera. :D

Will someone that has the A2-300 be willing to give a more in depth review? Maybe post some pics?
And comparing it to the PB12 NSD, that is a pretty bold statement. Very promising though. :)

I agree, this is a bold statement given that in general, you get what you pay for, especially at these price points. However, the comparison is indeed true, then this is very good for the consumer.

With that said, I would love to hear some blind listening tests between the A2-300 and PB12 NSD followed by some measurements.

Well, that's what I hear. Or my room works magical wonders on subs. :o

I'll post some pics. Finally have my camera. :D

Well come on now! What are you waiting for? :)

I agree, this is a bold statement given that in general, you get what you pay for, especially at these price points. However, the comparison is indeed true, then this is very good for the consumer.

With that said, I would love to hear some blind listening tests between the A2-300 and PB12 NSD followed by some measurements.

No doubt. That would be a sweet test.
And that is coorect, in general, you get what you pay for at these price ranges but I have two Premier Acoustic PA 12 subs right now that I have had for about a week and beleive me, they don't sound or look like they are $299 subs. Not even close. When I pulled them out of the box, I was thinking to myself that it felt and looked like a $1000 sub. Now I have never owned a $1000 sub but have owned plenty of $699 subs and below and it is the best sub I have owned to date. Still want to compare it to one of the big dogs though, so I will be having an HSU STF-3 shipped to me on Friday.

Put an order in on Nov. 28, was told to allow 5 days for manufacture and approx 5 days for shipping. Followed up on order today, and now they are saying to expect my order in the 1st week of January. This was supposed to be a Christmas gift to my son. I don't know how you folks feel, but I feel very mislead. If I could find something different in the $300.00 price point I would cancel my order!

It really sucks to be eD at this time (around the holiday season)....Everyone must have everything yesterday...Such a small company with lots to do....

Buy your son a H-100 ive owned two and they are very strong performers, really its the only other strong option I really see, many subs have been compared to the H-100 in its price range but the H-100 always comes out on top.

I think Hsu Research's announcement about a new lineup will steal the limelight from eD's subs unless we get some solid reviews and pictures from all angles of the eD's A2-300 and A2-500. Man, the more I wait to buy, the better it gets. Now I gotta see how Hsu's new lineup stacks up in this price vs performance mad competition.

Buy your son a H-100 ive owned two and they are very strong performers, really its the only other strong option I really see, many subs have been compared to the H-100 in its price range but the H-100 always comes out on top.

If you mean the Bic H-100, I just looked it up and it looks like a gr8 alternative on paper. I think I will look at some reviews.

Buy your son a H-100 ive owned two and they are very strong performers, really its the only other strong option I really see, many subs have been compared to the H-100 in its price range but the H-100 always comes out on top.

If you mean the Bic H-100, I just looked it up and it looks like a gr8 alternative on paper. I think I will look at some reviews

Well, I'm a little miffed that I'll have to wait until January to receive my sub, but I'll give them a try anyways. They really should put something on their website letting consumers know that they are currently out of stock and are building them as they receive orders, and also give the estimated ship date. It's the professional thing to do imo. Honestly, had I known they would charge my account immediately and not even let me know to expect to see the sub for 1 month, I would have ordered a sub elsewhere. I called them yesterday because I was concerned it would arrive during my holiday travels. They were very courteous and let me know it would probably not ship until after the new year, and explained the whys. I will not cancel my order and I will give them the benefit of the doubt...I just would've appreciated honesty and communication upfront without having to dig for it myself. A simple note on their products page (not buried in fine print somewhere) would be quite helpful.

It would also be nice if they included some free sub cables (or do they already include those?) or something as a 'thank you' to those of us who have to wait 1 month or more for a product we already paid for. Again, I want to stress that the person I spoke to was very nice and answered on the 3rd ring. The first person I spoke to was able to pull up all of my information and also tell me everything I needed to know. I don't like being put on hold, routed to 5 different people or having to navigate through a phone system, so I appreciated this. I think people in the same position as me have a minor bone to pick for the reasons I gave above, but certainly not enough to demonize the company. The sky is not falling.

Luckily, I'll be in Marseille drinking as much wine and eating as much cheese as I can fit in my stomach, so I won't even be around most of this time to even miss the sub. :D

Good luck guys. I hope it works out for you and I hope the end product is worth the wait. I however am jumping on the HSU bandwagon. With the brand new products they just came out with at the price they are selling, I really see nothing that competes with them.

I was fortunate enough to get my first one before the "craze". :D Now, who knows when my second will come. :rolleyes: But it's worth the wait.

I was fortunate enough to get my first one before the "craze". :D Now, who knows when my second will come. :rolleyes: But it's worth the wait.How's that camera workin? :p

Ok, pics!

One more.

Vitod, why did you place it on its side and not keep it firing down?

Thanks for the pics.

I have read a good portion of this thread as it has me interested in whether this sub would be a good recommendation to friends. I currently own an SVS PB10. While I would like to believe these new subs from eD are the answer to have SVS/HSU quality for under $300-400, my reasoning tells me different. SVS is one of the premier subwoofers mfr for Price vs Performance and while striving to keep prices lower than the competition, are having to raise prices marginally starting Jan 2007. When we can see/read actual performance specs from eD in a blind test against some equivelantly sized SVS/HSU subs, then the hype can be either confirmed as just that, or become a reality of SVS/HSU performance for less than $300-$400. I'd love to be proven wrong as I alway value lower prices for equal performance. So take this as an additional invite to eD owners to get with your SVS/HSU friends and do some blind testing along with test tones, bass heavy movies and of course an SPL meter.

Vitod, why did you place it on its side and not keep it firing down?

Why not? It doesn't effect performance and it looks great! :cool: Many SVS owners have done that to their 2 woofer boxes.

So take this as an additional invite to eD owners to get with your SVS/HSU friends and do some blind testing along with test tones, bass heavy movies and of course an SPL meter.

Amen to that.

Also, I'd love to see pictures of the actual driver out of the box to see how well it is constructed etc. Anyone dare to venture there?

Why not? It doesn't effect performance and it looks great! :cool: Many SVS owners have done that to their 2 woofer boxes.

I don't know why not :p

I am pretty new to a lot of this HT stuff, so far all my info is either self taught or from this forum.

I always thought that the down firing and front firing (correct terms ?) subwoofers would sound different. I have only had 1 HT subwoofer (it came in an $299 Onkyo 5.1 surround sound speaker package from CC 4 years ago ) and it is nothing special, so I haven't done any comparisons of my own.

So basically just asking if there was a sound difference at all between them.

Also, I'd love to see pictures of the actual driver out of the box to see how well it is constructed etc. Anyone dare to venture there?

As mentioned on their website, they use the 13kv.2 driver:
http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/gallery/106_large.jpg

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/gallery/225_large.jpg

Have a peak at their excursion video: http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/13kv2_video.php

I don't know why not :p

I am pretty new to a lot of this HT stuff, so far all my info is either self taught or from this forum.

I always thought that the down firing and front firing (correct terms ?) subwoofers would sound different. I have only had 1 HT subwoofer (it came in an $299 Onkyo 5.1 surround sound speaker package from CC 4 years ago ) and it is nothing special, so I haven't done any comparisons of my own.

So basically just asking if there was a sound difference at all between them.

Now you know. :D I should've explained it better than to say "why not". :rolleyes: I've taken SVS tubes and lay them down behind the sofa. As long as the ports aren't interfered, it's all good.

Buy your son a H-100 ive owned two and they are very strong performers, really its the only other strong option I really see, many subs have been compared to the H-100 in its price range but the H-100 always comes out on top.

I ordered the Bic H100. I have looked around on the net but could not determine the kind of connection(s) he will need with this sub. I am pretty sure that his Onkyo has a single LFE output.

The H100 will work with RCA input. You can use a spare RCA cable lying around or just get a cheap sub cable.

Demo video on their 15" driver. http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/ednews/home/blog.php?id=49

Their drivers are pretty nice looking with decent excursion. If they meet or get close to the performance of SVS/HSU subs, definately worth the price. I looked at their largest HT sub with dual 15" and that thing is HUGE. If I ever need a coffe table sub, that would be the one. I bet my whole house would start shaking with that monster. http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?products_id=408

Their drivers are pretty nice looking with decent excursion. If they meet or get close to the performance of SVS/HSU subs, definately worth the price. I looked at their largest HT sub with dual 15" and that thing is HUGE. If I ever need a coffe table sub, that would be the one. I bet my whole house would start shaking with that monster. http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?products_id=408

We played some Burnout: Revenge on the 360 w/ that thing hooked up.

Painful is a good way to put it :)

Chris, have you taken some in room measurements of the A2-300? ;) Many here are sceptics and need some numbers.

Chris, have you taken some in room measurements of the A2-300? ;) Many here are sceptics and need some numbers.

I'd love to see responce tables/charts similar to what svsound.com has for their subwoofers, both anechoic and in room freq responses please.

Put an order in on Nov. 28, was told to allow 5 days for manufacture and approx 5 days for shipping. Followed up on order today, and now they are saying to expect my order in the 1st week of January. This was supposed to be a Christmas gift to my son. I don't know how you folks feel, but I feel very mislead. If I could find something different in the $300.00 price point I would cancel my order!

Well then, I put my order in December 8th, looks like I may not get it till the middle of January. Looks like no parties at my house until that comes...

Their drivers are pretty nice looking with decent excursion. If they meet or get close to the performance of SVS/HSU subs, definately worth the price. I looked at their largest HT sub with dual 15" and that thing is HUGE. If I ever need a coffe table sub, that would be the one. I bet my whole house would start shaking with that monster. http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?products_id=408

Like Chris said.. Burnout on the 360 was pretty insane, When you blow up the car in a crashbreaker. The whole room pulses, during the inward explosion, then just a loud blast...it looked like it was snowing for a little while, with the drop ceiling tiles falling apart.

We also have a dual 18" in the works, but that doesnt get started until A2-300 production is done. :)

Just received notice that my box is in production.

I love the look of the sub on its side. Next year when I move I'll definitely do the same! :)

There's an A2-250 review on the icixsound board, thread 32250. I can't post links yet. Still no measurements though.

Let me be the first to say "Welcome" to the AVS site! :D

I'm interested in hearing what the overall cost will be (shipping, duty etc) to us in Canada.

I've familiar with e-designs stellar rep in the car audio business and I'm keeping a careful eye on this thread.

Please keep us posted and include pic!

Received it today off UPS and paid $68 Canadian on delivery. The A2-250 sub was $200, (prices have gone up since I ordered) plus $53 shipping, so with the exchange rate it works out around $360 Canadian.

First impressions to my uneducated ear, bearing in mind that I'm still experimenting with it and need to try it in in a few locations yet. First I tried a couple of deep base CD's downloaded from the web, then a bit of JMJ Equinoxe, not very scientific, that's the best I can do for you. I was lucky enough to catch a couple of movies on TMN in 5.1, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, then War of the Worlds and the effects were quite impressive, it certainly shook the room up. At the moment it seems like the sub is more suited to movies than music but it's early days yet and it needs to be run in.

There's an A2-250 review on the icixsound board, thread 32250. I can't post links yet. Still no measurements though.

Here is the link for those interested:

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=32250

Received it today off UPS and paid $68 Canadian on delivery. The A2-250 sub was $200, (prices have gone up since I ordered) plus $53 shipping, so with the exchange rate it works out around $360 Canadian.

First impressions to my uneducated ear, bearing in mind that I'm still experimenting with it and need to try it in in a few locations yet. First I tried a couple of deep base CD's downloaded from the web, then a bit of JMJ Equinoxe, not very scientific, that's the best I can do for you. I was lucky enough to catch a couple of movies on TMN in 5.1, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, then War of the Worlds and the effects were quite impressive, it certainly shook the room up. At the moment it seems like the sub is more suited to movies than music but it's early days yet and it needs to be run in.

Wow, and this based on the 10" model! :D Enjoy!

It looks like that reviewer on the icixsound board for the A2-250 said that it sounded "muddy".
Vitod, would you say the same for the sub you received? I believe you have the A2-300 correct?

It looks like that reviewer on the icixsound board for the A2-250 said that it sounded "muddy".
Vitod, would you say the same for the sub you received? I believe you have the A2-300 correct?

No, I have the A2-250.

"Muddy", umm that's an interesting word lol. I don't how to describe it really, I'm comparing this to a Reel Acoustics RSW810.2 8" subwoofer and to my ear the RSW definitely sounded better musically, so if that's what muddy is, it is. As the guy in that review said, the finish will not be to everyone's taste and yes I think they should dump that finish pronto. No instruction manual which was annoying, I had to get in touch with eD and ask which was the the best input to use left or right, or if it would be better to split the signal, actually I was going to use the left, but they said use the right and that splitting the signal would make no difference whatsoever to performance. All simple stuff I know however, you want to get new gear fired up as quickly as possible and the lack of instructions prevented this.

All in all I'm happy with the subwoofer, but not delighted. I would advise anybody thinking of buying one to definitely audition first and not rely on anyone's say so.

It looks like that reviewer on the icixsound board for the A2-250 said that it sounded "muddy".
Vitod, would you say the same for the sub you received? I believe you have the A2-300 correct?

Not muddy at all. Since it's a 12", the driver handles the lows well. Love the excursion! :eek: Very good for HT.

Not muddy at all. Since it's a 12", the driver handles the lows well. Love the excursion! :eek: Very good for HT.

Have you tried it out on any music?
I will be doing 80/20 HT/Music and hope it performs well in the music category as well.

Didn't try with music yet. I'm almost 100% HT.

Just received notice that my box is in production.My box has been 'under construction' for the past 15 days...

-_-

Having used the A2-300 for some music I have to say it cant compare to the sealed Onix sub I used to have (ULW-10) but it holds its own with any kind of music I throw at it. I feel like any ported design is a bit more tilted towards output and HT, but just the same the A2-300 does the job just fine.

Where it really shines is in the HT side of things. My old Dayton 10" tiny had major port sound issues and really didnt do well with any sort of deep bass/high volume impact scenes. Extended periods of bass really didnt work with that sub. This A2-300 can handle it, and can do so for long amounts of time without huge amounts of distortion and THAT is what my HT was missing for so long. At 270 shipped I think I made a good decision, but thats just for me and my purposes. I say you guys with good rooms and measuring devices should give it a shot and see what this sub does for ya.

Anyone with a SPL meter and some downloaded test tones from, for example, Realtraps, and the downloaded spreadsheet from the Sticky at the top of the forum, can chart the sub's performance. It only takes about 10 minutes to find out about the sub and your location. Finding the best location for the best overall room response is what takes the time.

Anyone with a SPL meter and some downloaded test tones from, for example, Realtraps, and the downloaded spreadsheet from the Sticky at the top of the forum, can chart the sub's performance. It only takes about 10 minutes to find out about the sub and your location. Finding the best location for the best overall room response is what takes the time.

I thought the deal was to just put the sub in the listening position and then walk around and see where it sounded the best...and that's where the sub goes.

No?

I received my A2-300 about a week ago, and I got a sound meter today. I don't have a calibration disc yet so I can't give you any charts or graphs. I do have War Of The Worlds, from the listening position which is about 10 feet from the sub I got 100-105db during the emerging scene, this was with the receiver at -20, and the sub a little over 1/2 volume. When I put the meter less than 1 foot away from the sub I got 110-115 db.

Here are some pictures of what the sub looks like on the inside, there is no bracing, and no stuffing, but the walls are thick, and it is sturdy.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/AFviper/sub1.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/AFviper/sub2.jpg

Is it just me, or does it seem like that pebbled bed liner finish would really interfere with getting a good seal around the edges of the driver and the amp?

Also, I found this quote interesting:
"This A2-300 can handle it, and can do so for long amounts of time without huge amounts of distortion and THAT is what my HT was missing for so long. "

At the risk of sounding like an jerk for mentioning this, what we're really shooting for here is no audible distortion. I realize there is are tradeoffs to be made at this pricepoint, but it seems that cleaning up the edges where the driver and amp meet the box, along with even some minor insulation against the interior walls could go a long way toward minimizing some of that audible distortion alluded to above.

Or, I could be completely wrong.


Tim

Also, I found this quote interesting:
"This A2-300 can handle it, and can do so for long amounts of time without huge amounts of distortion and THAT is what my HT was missing for so long. "


Doesn't he mean that the sub doesn't output huge amounts of distortion? IE it's clean.

Is it just me, or does it seem like that pebbled bed liner finish would really interfere with getting a good seal around the edges of the driver and the amp?

Also, I found this quote interesting:
"This A2-300 can handle it, and can do so for long amounts of time without huge amounts of distortion and THAT is what my HT was missing for so long. "

At the risk of sounding like an jerk for mentioning this, what we're really shooting for here is no audible distortion. I realize there is are tradeoffs to be made at this pricepoint, but it seems that cleaning up the edges where the driver and amp meet the box, along with even some minor insulation against the interior walls could go a long way toward minimizing some of that audible distortion alluded to above.

Or, I could be completely wrong.


Tim

Well I said that mostly because the Dayton was NOT very good in the HT arena, it'd distort like mad with any deep/difficult scene. I'm new to the bass arena and so not having heard any of the amazing subs in the world I have no top-end to compare the eD to. All I can say is it sounds good so far and doesnt sound like its breaking much of a sweat to do it. Sorry, but when it comes to bass I've only had experience with lower end products (the Onix ULW-10 being the best of the bunch) and none of them were considered HT monsters (i.e. ULW-10 = music sub).

Doesn't he mean that the sub doesn't output huge amounts of distortion? IE it's clean.

This is what I was saying. I just didnt want to make an overstatement..

The distortion he was refering to was the 10" driver sub he had previously.

The distortion he was refering to was the 10" driver sub he had previously.

Yes.

arviper, weren't the amp cables annoying short? :rolleyes: I thought they were.

You are right, they were too short, they made it difficult removing the driver, and moving it around.

While reading this keep in mind I have zero experience with subwoofers, other than small HTIB, and computer subs.

I am having a problem with some unwanted noise that I have been trying to analyze with the help of ED support. After a couple days of using the sub I started hearing a noise the was similar to metal rattling, it was the loudest at the port, and the amp, and was muffled, but still audible at the driver. I contacted ED support with my problem and asked if it would void the warranty if I took the amp, and driver out to inspect for loose hardware, they said it would be fine. I took the amp out, didn't find anything loose, same with the driver. Contacted ED again, I was told to remove the driver and listen to it out of the box to try to find out where the sound was coming from. Now it sounded like the sound was coming from the driver, although it didn't sound anything like the sound coming out of the port, it sounded like a card stuck in a bicycles spokes, only muffled a lot.

It seems like this is a problem with the driver, not sure if War Of The Worlds killed it, or if this is a defective driver. I am waiting for the reply from ED, and will keep you guys posted on any developments.

You are right, they were too short, they made it difficult removing the driver, and moving it around.

While reading this keep in mind I have zero experience with subwoofers, other than small HTIB, and computer subs.

I am having a problem with some unwanted noise that I have been trying to analyze with the help of ED support. After a couple days of using the sub I started hearing a noise the was similar to metal rattling, it was the loudest at the port, and the amp, and was muffled, but still audible at the driver. I contacted ED support with my problem and asked if it would void the warranty if I took the amp, and driver out to inspect for loose hardware, they said it would be fine. I took the amp out, didn't find anything loose, same with the driver. Contacted ED again, I was told to remove the driver and listen to it out of the box to try to find out where the sound was coming from. Now it sounded like the sound was coming from the driver, although it didn't sound anything like the sound coming out of the port, it sounded like a card stuck in a bicycles spokes, only muffled a lot.

It seems like this is a problem with the driver, not sure if War Of The Worlds killed it, or if this is a defective driver. I am waiting for the reply from ED, and will keep you guys posted on any developments.

If you're sure that it isn't port noise then maybe it's the speaker wire inside flopping around under pressure?

I believe these drivers have a breather whole through the center of the voice coil. If this whole doesn't have a screen to keep it clear/clean, something could have fallen in there and could be bouncing against the dust cover. Even just a tiny piece of wood may be enough to make the muffled sound you hear. If that's the cause, eD would probably need to either replace the driver (preferred) or at least repair it for free.

I believe these drivers have a breather whole through the center of the voice coil. If this whole doesn't have a screen to keep it clear/clean, something could have fallen in there and could be bouncing against the dust cover. Even just a tiny piece of wood may be enough to make the muffled sound you hear. If that's the cause, eD would probably need to either replace the driver (preferred) or at least repair it for free.

That's an excellent point. There may have been wood particles still in the cabinet and entered the driver.
If the driver is disconnected, and shaken with the breather hole facing down, maybe the possible debris will fall out? :confused:

Also, try holding the driver while it's thumping, out of the box, turn it on it's side and then try turning it on the other sides.

Ok, that sounded stupid. basically, what I'm getting at is the vc might not be aligned right, and turning it on its side might clear up the noise.

If it does, I'd guess the driver needs to be replaced. Luckily eD is really good about their warranty policy...although it sucks to have problems with a brand new sub, I'll admit.

Also, try holding the driver while it's thumping, out of the box, turn it on it's side and then try turning it on the other sides.

Ok, that sounded stupid. basically, what I'm getting at is the vc might not be aligned right, and turning it on its side might clear up the noise.

If it does, I'd guess the driver needs to be replaced. Luckily eD is really good about their warranty policy...although it sucks to have problems with a brand new sub, I'll admit.

Yeah, nothings perfect. It may be defective. :(

That finish looks ugly - more pro audio than home audio IMO. I agree with others here that a normal painted finish or optional veneer would be better.

Is it me or does the inside have a ton of overspray???

That finish looks ugly - more pro audio than home audio IMO. I agree with others here that a normal painted finish or optional veneer would be better.

Is it me or does the inside have a ton of overspray???

It's an aquired taste. Not as bad as you think. Different. I got used to it.

As long the over spray doesn't effect performance, I don't care.

I am still surprised that they don't have any filler/dampening material. Usually a must to keep subs from sounding boomy and distorted. My SVS PB10 is probably 1/3 full of what looks like house insulation. Any other thoughts on this?

It's debateable. Some use them and some don't. The A2-300 doesn't sound boomy at all. But since you brought it up, I may experiment. I'll line the walls with some house insulation and hear the results. It's not going to happen anytime soon, so be patient. ;)

It's debateable. Some use them and some don't. The A2-300 doesn't sound boomy at all. But since you brought it up, I may experiment. I'll line the walls with some house insulation and hear the results. It's not going to happen anytime soon, so be patient. ;)

Be careful when you do that, you may end up with a fiberglass insulation canon :)

Yes, your right. Might go with polyfill instead.

You will want to line the interior walls with about 2" thick fiberglass batting rather than using any type of fill material for a ported sub.

All you're trying to do in this case is knock down any higher frequency mechanical rattles or box resonances, not affect the perfomance of the driver/port combination.


Tim

Be careful when you do that, you may end up with a fiberglass insulation canon :)

No.

Be careful when you do that, you may end up with a fiberglass insulation canon :)

Lol, I added fiberglass insulation to a yamaha subwoofer and that's what I got! Luckily, the speaker grill/cover also covered the port opening and kept the flying glass at bay. I'm letting my dad use that sub in his HT.

No.

Yes, I've had it come apart over time and shoot out the port. I use foam now instead.

Looks like there are some new finish options on the way! Looks like ED is trying to respond to the market feedback. Read more on thier Blog (http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/ednews/home/index.php)

Really p***ed off.

Took delivery of the A2-250 on Wednesday and it was working ok until this evening. I switched it on this evening and nothing unless I turn the volume up to maximum and then just a sort of muffled crackle. All the connections are ok and the green light is on, the only other thing I can think of is a problem with my AV receiver. Anyone got any ideas please?

Really p***ed off.

Took delivery of the A2-250 on Wednesday and it was working ok until this evening. I switched it on this evening and nothing unless I turn the volume up to maximum and then just a sort of muffled crackle. All the connections are ok and the green light is on, the only other thing I can think of is a problem with my AV receiver. Anyone got any ideas please?


John,

Try plugging the some cables straight from the source (IE dvd player or ipod) into your sub. This will gaurantee that there is a signal reaching the sub. IF it still does not work then you probably have a problem. A muffled crackle could be a blown Voice Coil (At least in my limited expierence).

Contact ED immediately. You are under warranty, they may be able to drop ship you a new sub quickly if the sub is the problem. Give them a chance to respond.

Thanks, I've tried putting putting the coax connection from the DVD directly to the sub, no signal getting through to the sub. I don't see how that would work without any amplification?

I think you're putting the DIGITAL output of the DVD player into the sub. That means you were sending it 1's and 0's. You gotta use one of the analog audio outputs on the DVD player (Red or White RCA Jack) to get any kind of a signal through. And as for amplification, all the amplification is done by the amp inside of the subwoofer.

Thanks, I've tried putting putting the coax connection from the DVD directly to the sub, no signal getting through to the sub. I don't see how that would work without any amplification?


I don't think the coax connection would work since it sends a digital signal. Connect the red and white rca's on the back of the dvd and plug them into the l and r connections on the amp. There should ve plenty of signal from the dvd player

Lol, the penny's dropped.
I'll try it with an analog signal in the morning now, it's too late to start messing on now and the wife's in bed . I'll get back later, thanks for the help so far.

Lol, the penny's dropped.
I'll try it with an analog signal in the morning now, it's too late to start messing on now and the wife's in bed . I'll get back later, thanks for the help so far.

Any news?

UPDATE on eD. :D
http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/ednews/home/blog.php?id=51

Any news?

Yes, tried it this morning with a direct connection from my DVD and it's making a loud thumping noise with a muffled crackle. I've rang eD and was lucky enough to catch somebody in. He thinks that it's probably the amp at fault or possibly the speaker, there nothing that can be done 'till Monday anyway, but whichever part is faulty they are going to ship one out to me. Meanwhile I'm going to have a look inside and check for loose connections.

You mean a whole new sub or parts?

You mean a whole new sub or parts?

Parts and fit myself.

Actually he would've sent me an amp out but as they can't send one out until Monday anyway and he hasn't really decided whether it's the amp or speaker that's at fault, I said we'll leave it over the weekend and phone first thing Monday.

I've checked it direct from DVD with an analog signal and the speaker is pumping well, the only way I can describe it is as a thumping crackly tick.
Set up in the normal manner it won't seem to accept a digital signal unless the volume is at maximum and then it's not very loud at all.
The last test which eD suggested, was to directly connect the speaker wires from my receiver to the inline of the sub, which produced nothing apart from one pump of the speaker when I switched it on and one pump when I switched it off.
Lastly I took the back off to look for loose connections and there were none.

Keep us updated. ;)

He thinks that it's probably the amp at fault or possibly the speaker
That narrows it down. ;)

Well I am taking the plunge as of today. I just put in my order for the a2-300. Now I have to go find a 50ft coaxial to run it to the back of my room.

Well I am taking the plunge as of today. I just put in my order for the a2-300. Now I have to go find a 50ft coaxial to run it to the back of my room.

Get ready to wait for a while. My order was put in 12/05/06 and it's still in 'box construction".

My order was placed on 11/28 and I was told last monday that he thought it was going to paint... Still shows "in woodshop" as of today. On another note, im picking up a Denon 3806 this week! Im currently running 5 of the eD MTM's, going to order a set of towers and another sub to finish off the system.

Get ready to wait for a while. My order was put in 12/05/06 and it's still in 'box construction".

I have a sub for now so no worries. I don't mind the wait.

Get ready to wait for a while. My order was put in 12/05/06 and it's still in 'box construction".

not to thrilled to hear that. I almost want to cancel this order due to the fact that I need a sub for my house at school. It's an almost necessity for our parties. Mine was placed on the 9th of december, but I go back to school Dec. 30th. In less I can get a dirt cheap replacement till then for cheap or cancel the order. IDK, tough decision.

I did some tests on the A2-300 with a sound meter, and Avia. The sound meter was about 8 inches from the cone, the sub gain was turned half up, the receiver was at -15:

70Hz: 119dB
60 118
50 118
40 119
35 116
33 116
30 114
28 112
26 111
24 110
22 111
20 115

I am not sure if I did this test correctly, if someone has a link to instructions of testing subwoofers it will help me.

If anyone has a link, or a file with test tones lower than 20hz those would also help. Something from 10hz to 150hz would be great.

This can generate any tone you want, save as WAV and burn to CD if you don't have a computer hooked up to your receiver.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

I have the tones, I am just trying to find a program so that I can create a menu for the tones before I burn it. I ended up with 31 test tones, searching for a frequency in there will be difficult and time consuming if all I have to go by is the track number. If I can create a simple text menu I can browse through things will be much simpler.

Sounds great. Please keep us updated.

Wow I sure am glad I bought in when I did. They raised the prices as of this morning to a2-250 is $300 and the a2-300 is $350 now. Got it just in time.

Gents,

If you don't know how to conduct a subwoofer test, please don't bother with posting figures. Just sit back and enjoy your subwoofer, and leave testing to the pros...For the benefit of everyone.

Gents,

If you don't know how to conduct a subwoofer test, please don't bother with posting figures. Just sit back and enjoy your subwoofer, and leave testing to the pros...For the benefit of everyone.

Getting some basic tests are fine untill a in-depth with graphs and charts come along. In the mean time, test away.

Taking measurments 8 inches away with an uncalibrated mic is pretty much pointless. But if it makes some feel better, then I agree, test away.

True, 8 " is too close. Should be a least at the listening position.

Another option, Rockem, would be to post a link to, or a description of, proper testing.

Then maybe someone can actually perform the tests that people have been asking for for 17 pages now.

Per Ed Mullen:

Setup: All objective tests were conducted outdoors away from any reflective structures, with the subwoofer sitting on the ground plane. The microphone was also placed on the ground plane, facing the active woofer at a distance of 2 meters from the width and depth center point of the cabinet.

Microphone would be a professional studio mic, doesn't have to be fancy, using a external soundcard like the M-Audio Mobile Pre USB, connected to a testing program such as TRueRTA or something similar.

TrueRTA for Dummies: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=572477

An indoor test is not as effective because it is a test of your room acoustics more than a test of the subwoofer itsself.

More Links:
http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=thread&frm_id=50&rid=5915&SQ=1151134720

http://www.dvdplaza.fi/forums/showthread.php?t=50458

I just got my tracking # for my A2-300 last night and it is supposed to be here today! As of last night it left Des Moines around 9:30pm and at 6:20am this morning it is just 2 cities away :D . I'll keep you all posted. I'll have pics and a not so pro review. This is my 2nd HT sub and I have no testing equiptment so you'll have to take it with a grain of salt.

Alright! :D Finally, shipping!

I'll start some pics.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/slide51k/Frontviewdirect.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/slide51k/Anglefrontshot.jpg

Got an email today from ED. Placed my order on December 9th.

"Unfortunately, this item will not be shipped in time for Christmas.

Current estimate on your order would be about 3~5 weeks out.

Sorry for any inconvenience."

That just plain sucks.

Per Ed Mullen:

Setup: All objective tests were conducted outdoors away from any reflective structures, with the subwoofer sitting on the ground plane. The microphone was also placed on the ground plane, facing the active woofer at a distance of 2 meters from the width and depth center point of the cabinet.

Microphone would be a professional studio mic, doesn't have to be fancy, using a external soundcard like the M-Audio Mobile Pre USB, connected to a testing program such as TRueRTA or something similar.

TrueRTA for Dummies: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=572477

An indoor test is not as effective because it is a test of your room acoustics more than a test of the subwoofer itsself.

More Links:
http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=thread&frm_id=50&rid=5915&SQ=1151134720

http://www.dvdplaza.fi/forums/showthread.php?t=50458

THANKS!
;)

Wow I sure am glad I bought in when I did. They raised the prices as of this morning to a2-250 is $300 and the a2-300 is $350 now. Got it just in time.

I saw that too. From an intro price of $230 for the A2-300 to $350 now is too dramatic and too soon. I think it may leave people to think twice before buying eD because their going into a more competitive price point where SVS, HSU come in mind. It'll cost $100 more to get the PB10 but it has an incredible rep and high resale. When the A2-300 cost $200 less, it was a much easier decision.

When the price was raised to $300 it had free shipping, as it does now. So the difference between the intro price and the current price isn't as big. It cost me $270 to get the A2-300 with shipping included. The price for the PB10 including shipping would be $482, the A2-300 is still a lot lower in price at $350.

But, the A2-300 is not close to competing with the PB10 since it is so new. Maybe in a few months after some pro reviews come in it would be able to compete with the PB10 at an even higher price.

Yes, I get your point. But making that decision for an eD is harder because the price in now closer, not the same, as the big boys.