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rnp614

12-19-06, 03:52 PM

When the price was raised to $300 it had free shipping, as it does now. So the difference between the intro price and the current price isn't as big. It cost me $270 to get the A2-300 with shipping included. The price for the PB10 including shipping would be $482, the A2-300 is still a lot lower in price at $350.

But, the A2-300 is not close to competing with the PB10 since it is so new. Maybe in a few months after some pro reviews come in it would be able to compete with the PB10 at an even higher price.

Seems like some more shady business practice here....I doubt I'll be buying any more eD products if they keep this sort of thing up.

JEFFREY GTS

12-19-06, 03:58 PM

Seems like some more shady business practice here....I doubt I'll be buying any more eD products if they keep this sort of thing up.

Yeah, with two proven companies like SVS and HSU, I am sticking with one of them. The $100 price increase this quick is pretty ridiculous. Good luck with your one month wait for an unproven product.

vitod

12-19-06, 04:07 PM

Yeah, with two proven companies like SVS and HSU, I am sticking with one of them. The $100 price increase this quick is pretty ridiculous. Good luck with your one month wait for an unproven product.

They bit more than they can chew. Rooky mistake. I agree, the price increase is unjustified but the sub performs very well.

Here's from their blog. http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/ednews/home/blog.php?id=52

JEFFREY GTS

12-19-06, 04:13 PM

fordfisher

12-19-06, 04:13 PM

I was waiting to see more definitive tests before I order an a2-300. Its kind of sad that this website no doubt boosted their sales exponentialy and now they are way backordered so they raise the prices. i mean that was quick. its just gonna bite the hand that feeds them. I'm going to now research other subs in that price range. Whereas otherwise I was only waiting on reviews before i placed my order. I wonder if the coupon for avs members will still work.

rnp614

12-19-06, 04:20 PM

Good to hear that you are enjoying your sub. I have just read that there are some people having problems with their subs. I think the QC on ED's part is not up to par. I would be pissed if I paid for a sub, had to wait a month to get it and it ended up being defective. And going back to ED's decision to up the price on them again, just because they have received a lot of orders, well it seem a little greedy. Granted, companies are here to make money and they should but that would be like SVS or HSU hiking up prices on their new stuff just because people are buying it.

Yeah. Even though I've enjoyed the product this far, I would not pay a penny over the 270 I paid (shipped) for it JUST because of the fact that their business practices are extremely substandard.

What a joke. I should've plunked down the money for a HSU.

vitod

12-19-06, 04:24 PM

This would be a good time for eD to chime in to salvage some dignity from all of this. C'mon guys.

JEFFREY GTS

12-19-06, 04:29 PM

Yeah. Even though I've enjoyed the product this far, I would not pay a penny over the 270 I paid (shipped) for it JUST because of the fact that their business practices are extremely substandard.

What a joke. I should've plunked down the money for a HSU.

That's exactly what I was thinking. For $235 it seemed to be a good value. At $350, I wouldn't think twice about it or even consider it. For $299 you can get a Premier Acoustic sub, whic is a very, very nice sub. For $119 more than the ED you can step up to the new HSU VTF-3 MK2 which would most likely smoke the ED sub. I had to see it with my own eyes and visited ED's website, I laughed out loud when I saw the $350 price next to the A2-300 sub. What a JOKE. That thing was $235 2 1/2 weeks ago.

rnp614

12-19-06, 04:31 PM

Yeah, I looked at the blog and I see they mentioned the price increase there...BUT I still dont think that was the proper way to deal with the situation of having too many orders. I think this is just going to piss off more customers because anyone buying now at 350 is going to have to wait longer than those who got in on the 300 deal.

jvgillow

12-19-06, 04:38 PM

The price increase will curtail orders somewhat, which is exactly what they wanted so that they can catch up on production. If you want fewer people to buy your stuff, you don't stop taking orders, you raise the price and let supply/demand work things out instead. If some people are upset with the increase because they were sitting on the fence, well just wait long enough and maybe the price will come back down after the demand drops.

vitod

12-19-06, 04:59 PM

JEFFREY GTS

12-19-06, 05:03 PM

JEFFREY GTS

12-19-06, 05:07 PM

They lost a potential customer with their mistake. It seems they have made a few bad moves. Not planning for the demand, jacking up the prices because of it, having QC issues. You know, I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, with the QC and back orders but when they jacked the price up by 50%, that was the last straw. SVS and HSU have stellar service, a stellar product and a stellar price. I am sticking with them.

vitod

12-19-06, 05:10 PM

Your right. There's no defense. Such a shame.

DjarumBlack

12-19-06, 05:14 PM

Not really. Its actually a smart one. And businesses do it all the time, especially private small ones.

Dj

DjarumBlack

12-19-06, 05:21 PM

I've been following this thread since its infancy. I'm not really looking for a new sub, but I was curious. I don't know anything about them, but it seems they are "trying" to make a good product, which is more than I can say for a lot of companies. Secondly, their product(not saying anything toward HSU or SVS because I have no idea of their business model) is hand made, hand built. I am sure there are a bunch of well made subs that aren't, but thats not the case here. In my experiences, anything hand made or hand built takes time. Now they may have underestimated the time that it takes to make these, but then again, any business venturing somewhere that it has never been before is going to have problems. So, I believe the bottom line here is this, if you want a good sub at a good value that is handmade, be patient. If not, look somewhere else.

Dj

vitod

12-19-06, 05:23 PM

The sub business is a totally different animal. There's tons of competition. You have to make a mark so future clients are made based on previous ones feedback. We're not talking about only the back order. If it were just that, then fine. But to raise prices so dramatically, so soon, is just bad. SVS hasn't raised prices for 7 years and finally there's an increase. But it doesn't matter because SVS built their business on REPUTATION and of course the product and customer service. HSU has brand new designs and didn't raise prices till next year! Again, great planning and rep.

Chris Schempp

12-19-06, 05:39 PM

I have to disagree. I have a business and every time I promote a sale, I PREPARE for the demand. My promotion tells when it starts and when it ends. If demand far exceeds more than predicted, then that's my problem. Not my customers. I have to swallow it and continue.

Guys, just as mentioned in our blog:

A2-250 and A2-300 price went up to 300 and 350 from 250 and 300. We felt currently this was a necessary evil to level off production. Stretching from initially undervaluing the product probably a little to gain more attention we just didn`t expect so much attention. We`ll keep knocking through production day to day and filling orders as each one comes and goes.

We could just take the product off of the web site completely, but we've chosen to still leave it for sale.

We had no way of knowing how those subs would sell. People had posted the A5-300/A3-300 on here a month or more before we even introduced the A2 series. The most that was posted about those was, oh, maybe I'll think about that sometime.

Then we introduced the A2-series and at the initial price point demand flew through the roof. Even after the initial sale ended, with the various discounts available, sales simply did not slow down.

We did have a pre-built inventory of these items for the expected quantity of the sale. Maybe expecting to have a few of them go to people after being built, which would have been at most about 10 business days until shipment. Then interest exceeded our expectations ten fold. Unfortunately, we can't simply expand our facilities overnight, nor can we have someone here at all hours of the day working on getting subs built.

When people work too much they start getting tired and their ability to make a quality product declines. If all we wanted to do was to get these out to customers as quickly as possible, we'd have no problem keeping up with the demand, until they all got returned because they were a sub-par product.

We really are working as hard as we can as fast as we can to get these subs out to people.

mikeinnj

12-19-06, 05:52 PM

As long as build quality does not suffer and overall QC stays good, I give eD my support. There are a few instances of QC issues. Hopefully that does not become the trend. I do not think it will though, it's a small company. They probably only have a couple guys on QC so the complaints about QC have probably already been relayed to them by their boss. It's not like this is a huge corporation with a giant hierarchy of people where cases and complaints go unheard and untended for.

As for me, I'm waiting for me A2-300. Should be shipping out anyday now.

vitod

12-19-06, 05:59 PM

Chris, as you know, I was one of the first to jump and get your sub. The price was right and found the sub to be an awesome value. I talked about the sub many times almost to the point of "selling" them. Now this.

I hope you know what your doing Chris. Truly I do. ;)

Replacement

12-19-06, 06:29 PM

I hooked up my A2-300 and the auto on/off doesn't work. Any ideas on how to get it to work? I don't want to manually switch on and off my sub.

Pics will follow after I get it set up correctly.

afviper

12-19-06, 06:39 PM

What do you mean auto on/off does not work? Does it not turn the subwoofer on when in auto and a signal is sent to it? Also, what color is the light when in auto, with a signal, and without?

David James

12-19-06, 07:04 PM

Regarding raising the price because of the demand.

I'm sorry, this is just a dumb idea. Demand outstripping supply is a good thing for the
vendor. Don't screw your potential customers by raising the price. You have a supply issue. Fair enough. This is a good story to tell, but you have to be open and honest. Make it clear on your web site about the delays (and why), If you take phone orders, be honest with the callers as well. Tell them there will be delays, try and provide an accurate estimate of the delay. If the customer doesn't want to wait, they won't. If they do, you will have a satisfied customer. When you take the order, keep them updated on the progress, again be upfront and honest about delays or even possible delays.

Unless of course you just need to make more money, in which case.....never mind. ;)

77Pat

12-19-06, 07:05 PM

I was considering this subwoofer at $270, but at $350 I would look more towards the hsu stf-2 that is on sale for 20% off and clearing out, or the new vtf-1 that is at the intro price, although I understand why they needed to raise the price.

Replacement

12-19-06, 07:16 PM

1. What do you mean auto on/off does not work?
2. Does it not turn the subwoofer on when in auto and a signal is sent to it?
3. Also, what color is the light when in auto, with a signal, and without?

1. I have to turn the sub on manually.
2. It does not turn on or off with the reciever.
3. The light is red when in auto until I switch it from on then back to auto, then it is green. With a signal it has to be switched on manually for it to turn from red to green. Without it is red.

Ron Temple

12-19-06, 07:53 PM

1. I have to turn the sub on manually.
2. It does not turn on or off with the reciever.
3. The light is red when in auto until I switch it from on then back to auto, then it is green. With a signal it has to be switched on manually for it to turn from red to green. Without it is red.Just a thought...

Bump your receiver trim up a couple of dbs to send a stronger signal to the sub (lower the gain on the sub)

Try a y splitter if the sub has both a l & r input to increase the signal from the receiver

Broadcast HD/5.1 signals sometimes aren't hot enough to keep the sub on due to the differing dialnorm formulas each network/show uses. Some are hotter than other's...you may have to flip the on switch on if you want to the sub during these broadcasts.

If none of the above work, you need a new amp...I'm sure they'll swap one out.

gotchaforce

12-19-06, 08:07 PM

Which HSU did you get?

VTF2-MK3

it scares me to say the least. I doubt the A5-300 could touch this thing in terms of output at 15-35hz. Its just nuts. I havent cranked it AT ALL. Im going to burn it in for a week then after that i hope i dont blow out my windows.

Replacement

12-19-06, 10:03 PM

Just a thought...

1. Bump your receiver trim up a couple of dbs to send a stronger signal to the sub (lower the gain on the sub)

2. Try a y splitter if the sub has both a l & r input to increase the signal from the receiver

3. Broadcast HD/5.1 signals sometimes aren't hot enough to keep the sub on due to the differing dialnorm formulas each network/show uses. Some are hotter than other's...you may have to flip the on switch on if you want to the sub during these broadcasts.

If none of the above work, you need a new amp...I'm sure they'll swap one out.

1. I tried that, no dice.
2. I tried that, it made the sub louder when on but it did not turn on the amp automatically.
3. I tried cd's, tv and radio, nothing works.

I tried to contact ED before I posted this problem here, they already left for the day. Looks like I'll have to get a hold of them tomorrow.

One other thing, it makes a humming noise when the sub gain is turned up more than 1/3 of the way. What do you make of that? My cheapo sub with the same connection does not do this.

Willd

12-19-06, 10:23 PM

My cheapo sub with the same connection does not do this.

Does your cheapo sub's power cable have a ground?

Replacement

12-20-06, 01:05 AM

Does your cheapo sub's power cable have a ground?
No

tdamocles

12-20-06, 05:43 AM

VTF2-MK3

I doubt the A5-300 could touch this thing in terms of output at 15-35hz. Its just nuts. I havent cranked it AT ALL.

Without having both to test, can you really make this assumption? Right off the bat you have a 250 watt deficit. I guess it could happen.....

Willd

12-20-06, 07:00 AM

No

Thats probably why the eD sub has a hum, because its probably a ground loop hum. Your other sub doesn't have a ground loop problem because it doesn't have a ground.

vitod

12-20-06, 08:30 AM

Thats probably why the eD sub has a hum, because its probably a ground loop hum. Your other sub doesn't have a ground loop problem because it doesn't have a ground.

The eD sub doesn't have a ground either.

Sounds like a defective amp.

DjarumBlack

12-20-06, 11:08 AM

Guys, just as mentioned in our blog:

We could just take the product off of the web site completely, but we've chosen to still leave it for sale.

We had no way of knowing how those subs would sell. People had posted the A5-300/A3-300 on here a month or more before we even introduced the A2 series. The most that was posted about those was, oh, maybe I'll think about that sometime.

Then we introduced the A2-series and at the initial price point demand flew through the roof. Even after the initial sale ended, with the various discounts available, sales simply did not slow down.

We did have a pre-built inventory of these items for the expected quantity of the sale. Maybe expecting to have a few of them go to people after being built, which would have been at most about 10 business days until shipment. Then interest exceeded our expectations ten fold. Unfortunately, we can't simply expand our facilities overnight, nor can we have someone here at all hours of the day working on getting subs built.

When people work too much they start getting tired and their ability to make a quality product declines. If all we wanted to do was to get these out to customers as quickly as possible, we'd have no problem keeping up with the demand, until they all got returned because they were a sub-par product.

We really are working as hard as we can as fast as we can to get these subs out to people.

I say kudos to you. With the company I work for and in our business, we are very quick to get orders out without any real QC being done. For our company, its always about the bottom line. Of course, this type of tactic comes and haunts us in the end because we have increased customer service issues because of the poor QC. I have no control over how fast we push things out with the company I work for.

So, I believe your philosphy here is right. Take the time to make the product right. I would hope that everyone who has ordered one would rather have it delayed and done right than have it earlier and have problems.

Dj

Replacement

12-20-06, 11:18 AM

ED just contacted me about the auto turn on. It seems that I did not turn the volume up loud enough for it to turn on :o . With me being a newbie to subs I did not know I had to turn the volume up, with my old sub it turned on at very low volume levels.

JEFFREY GTS

12-20-06, 11:31 AM

I say kudos to you. With the company I work for and in our business, we are very quick to get orders out without any real QC being done. For our company, its always about the bottom line. Of course, this type of tactic comes and haunts us in the end because we have increased customer service issues because of the poor QC. I have no control over how fast we push things out with the company I work for.

So, I believe your philosphy here is right. Take the time to make the product right. I would hope that everyone who has ordered one would rather have it delayed and done right than have it earlier and have problems.

Dj

Have you not read the numerous complaints on these subs?
IMO a kudos is warranted on quality products being shipped out. It seems that I keep reading more and more problems on a daily basis. So they are taking their time and still not getting it right. I am telling you guys. If you want to spend $300 on a sub, get a Premier Acoustic PA 12. Those things are great for the price. I had two of them but decided to graduate to the big leagues and spent $600 on an SVS.

It's really sad that from what I have seen so far, that ED hasn't delivered on what looked to be promising. I was all excited when I firtst heard about this sub, I even started the first thread about it over at hometheaterforum. Oh well, like I said, I am in the SVS, HSU camp now. Still waititng on more reviews of the new VTF-3MK3 to decide whether I am keeping my PB12 NSD or returning it.

Replacement

12-20-06, 11:56 AM

The pics I took are too big. How do I resize them?

fordfisher

12-20-06, 12:04 PM

Dear eD
another way to tackle the problem of too many orders is to tell the customers when they order that there will be minumum waiting period. I know of a company that makes handmade chairs that is almost two years behind. People still line up because they know its a great product for the price. I realize HT enthusiast wont wait two years but myself I didnt order because Im not in that big of a hurry. four or five weeks is totally doable to me, its taken months to build my HT. So raise your prices 10% make a few extra bucks and this crowd that is eagerly anticipating your product will hang around. You'll be backed up for what, a year? before your new production areas are completed. Then, ramp up production, catch up with orders and your growing business. Its a win win.
But now, jack up prices alienate those who thought about giving your product a try and lose lots of business down the road.
Honestly, I thought I could live with a HT sub that had the finish of a 'hidden in the trunk of my car, car audio sub' for a great price. as long as it performed. But not now.
To me the huge price increase spells one thing. Greed. But I guess that is the American way so I guess kudos are in order.
But remember, only a few years ago the way audio companies flourished was by magazine reviews and one neighbor seeing the awesome product the other neighbbor had just gotten. "great sub, I'm getting one of those" . But now the internet has huge impact on sales. For and against. This is a community, monsterous, like it or not. I feel small companies can live or die by their rep, and I hope your doing the right thing.
Sorry for the long post, I just really wanted that sub for under $300.00 :)

vitod

12-20-06, 12:07 PM

The pics I took are too big. How do I resize them?

You can select a smaller size on the camera or use the cameras software on your computer. It should have an "edit pictures".

goobernoodles

12-20-06, 12:14 PM

The pics I took are too big. How do I resize them?Open up the picture in Paint -> Image -> Attributes -> Change pixel size to something that keeps the proportions intact. If it's horizontal, 800x600 is probably a good size.

In regards to the price increase, although not as drastic as people are saying it is... Considering the original price was going to be 300 shipped. It is now 350 shipped. The price went from 260-270 on sale to 350. Its not THAT huge. However, it does put it in a rage closer to the 'big boys'.

However, the whole principle of raising prices to curb the onslaught of orders does not seem like a sound business decision in my eyes. Think of a Pizza shop. If they have a sale, or its a Friday night or something, and they get swamped with orders, they arn't going to raise prices. They tell you how long the wait will be, and you make your decision on if you want to wait.

I'm getting an itchy trigger finger on whether I should cancel my order or not, and go with the H100... After hearing all of these QC issues JUST ON THIS FORUM, I'm definately worried. We'll see...

goobernoodles

12-20-06, 12:15 PM

Oh, and make sure to save the picture as a .jpeg.

cdub998

12-20-06, 12:25 PM

Open up the picture in Paint -> Image -> Attributes -> Change pixel size to something that keeps the proportions intact. If it's horizontal, 800x600 is probably a good size.

In regards to the price increase, although not as drastic as people are saying it is... Considering the original price was going to be 300 shipped. It is now 350 shipped. The price went from 260-270 on sale to 350. Its not THAT huge. However, it does put it in a rage closer to the 'big boys'.

However, the whole principle of raising prices to curb the onslaught of orders does not seem like a sound business decision in my eyes. Think of a Pizza shop. If they have a sale, or its a Friday night or something, and they get swamped with orders, they arn't going to raise prices. They tell you how long the wait will be, and you make your decision on if you want to wait.

I'm getting an itchy trigger finger on whether I should cancel my order or not, and go with the H100... After hearing all of these QC issues JUST ON THIS FORUM, I'm definately worried. We'll see...

I am too. I was looking at the H100 also. Now I am worried. So first I have to wait a month for the sub, thn it may not work right. Sketchy

07tC

12-20-06, 12:34 PM

I totally love my eD car subs! Great performance and value. This thread makes me sad :(

gotchaforce

12-20-06, 01:12 PM

Open up the picture in Paint -> Image -> Attributes -> Change pixel size to something that keeps the proportions intact. If it's horizontal, 800x600 is probably a good size.

In regards to the price increase, although not as drastic as people are saying it is... Considering the original price was going to be 300 shipped. It is now 350 shipped. The price went from 260-270 on sale to 350. Its not THAT huge. However, it does put it in a rage closer to the 'big boys'.

However, the whole principle of raising prices to curb the onslaught of orders does not seem like a sound business decision in my eyes. Think of a Pizza shop. If they have a sale, or its a Friday night or something, and they get swamped with orders, they arn't going to raise prices. They tell you how long the wait will be, and you make your decision on if you want to wait.

I'm getting an itchy trigger finger on whether I should cancel my order or not, and go with the H100... After hearing all of these QC issues JUST ON THIS FORUM, I'm definately worried. We'll see...

well the only FQ response graphs we have show that the H100 is actually very close to the A5-300 and a better performer in some cases :rolleyes: I would just get the H100 if i were you guys..

tdamocles

12-20-06, 04:41 PM

well the only FQ response graphs we have show that the H100 is actually very close to the A5-300 and a better performer in some cases :rolleyes: I would just get the H100 if i were you guys..

Did you guys see the test with the pb12-nsd in the latest Sound and Vision? It did not look so great either. Would you not buy the pb12 because of this article? Look here (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/speakers/1932/test-bench-svs-sbs-01-home-theater-speaker-system.html). This sub is also rated to 20hz. At 20hz it is 13db down from 32hz----room acoustics.

goblueguy02

12-20-06, 05:12 PM

Open up the picture in Paint -> Image -> Attributes ->
I'm getting an itchy trigger finger on whether I should cancel my order or not, and go with the H100... After hearing all of these QC issues JUST ON THIS FORUM, I'm definately worried. We'll see...

I am curious as to what "all of these QC issues" are that people keep referring to. It seems to me that all of the posts repeating one another are creating the impression of a much bigger problem than actually exists, if any exists at all. I am relatively new to this forum and to HT in general, but have been monitoring this thread for some weeks now. My recollection (and I did not go back through everything to do this) is that we have had a report of one (allegedly) bad driver which ED agreed to replace. Other complaints/problems have been things like no stuffing in the A2-300, short amp cables, and things that, if the sub produces good sound, I could care less about.

Then we have had the "QC issues" that get mentioned, complained about, and repeated, that end up not being issues at all. For example, "my sub wont automatically turn on" - a problem that was posted about at least 3 times by the complaining member and repeated twice more by others, which ended up being nothing more than user error. Not faulting the user, that's why these forums are here to help each other learn, but you surely cant hold that against ED.

I realize I am sounding like an ED apologist here, which is not my intent at all. I've never owned an ED product and am still eagerly awaiting my A2-300 ordered on Nov. 28th, which has been "in the woodshop" since Dec 5th with no more news to me. Obviously there are things that need to be worked out. But lets not let all the boys crying wolf scare us away from a product when we have yet to see any accurately taken SPL meter readings (and you wont get them from me either, I'm not an HT pro by any stretch), nor any side by side comparisons.

If you dont want to buy the product, dont. But realize that newbies and people who know very little about HT check this forum every day and each time you post "there are problems with QC", you will be turning people off to the product. I personally prefer to wait until I have a valid reason before I attack a product.

Willd

12-20-06, 05:37 PM

Well said, goblueguy.

Willd

12-20-06, 05:40 PM

well the only FQ response graphs we have show that the H100 is actually very close to the A5-300 and a better performer in some cases :rolleyes: I would just get the H100 if i were you guys..

Are you kidding me?

Are you suggesting that small variations in the in-room FR of the two subs is enough to suggest that one is a better performer?

:rolleyes:

gotchaforce

12-20-06, 05:44 PM

Are you kidding me?

Are you suggesting that small variations in the in-room FR of the two subs is enough to suggest that one is a better performer?

:rolleyes:

honestly i take the FR graphs from this thread with a grain of salt (or a grain of atom), my main criticism is elemental design doesnt seem to want to give us any measurements..

vitod

12-20-06, 05:44 PM

Latest news. http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/ednews/home/blog.php?id=53

Willd

12-20-06, 05:46 PM

honestly i take the FR graphs from this thread with a grain of salt (or a grain of atom), my main criticism is elemental design doesnt seem to want to give us any measurements..

Then where did you come up with that statement?

Willd

12-20-06, 05:54 PM

To me the huge price increase spells one thing. Greed. But I guess that is the American way so I guess kudos are in order.

Greed? You think eD raised the prices out of Greed?

Yeah, thats why they had the price so low in the first place. They were sooo greedy. Lets ignore the fact that they are struggling to keep up with the orders they have had.

Like one of the eD folks said, they could either raise the price or stop selling them for a while altogether. This isn't rocket science folks.

If anything, this is another example of consumers wanting everything yesterday, and in perfect condition. (granted this is still taking a really long time...) If that isn't the case, then they deem the product/company sub-par and move on. If I had known that all of this would've happened I probably wouldn't have made this thread.

Seems like most of you folks are not giving eD a chance. They just began this whole HT thing and they understand that they completely underestimated how many orders they would get. At least give them a chance to recover from this onslaught of orders.

gotchaforce

12-20-06, 05:55 PM

Then where did you come up with that statement?

it was mainly a sarcastic statement that from what we have right now the h-100 should easily outperform the a2-300, but what we have right now is inaccurate, and it would help if there were some measurements.

gotchaforce

12-20-06, 05:57 PM

Greed? You think eD raised the prices out of Greed?

Yeah, thats why they had the price so low in the first place. They were sooo greedy. Lets ignore the fact that they are struggling to keep up with the orders they have had.

Like one of the eD folks said, they could either raise the price or stop selling them for a while altogether. This isn't rocket science folks.

If anything, this is another example of consumers wanting everything yesterday, and in perfect condition. (granted this is still taking a really long time...) If that isn't the case, then they deem the product/company sub-par and move on. If I had known that all of this would've happened I probably wouldn't have made this thread.

Seems like most of you folks are not giving eD a chance. They just began this whole HT thing and they understand that they completely underestimated how many orders they would get. At least give them a chance to recover from this onslaught of orders.

i dont see anyone else in the thread that believes that the reason for the price raising was because of greed, so not sure why you replied to it

Willd

12-20-06, 06:16 PM

it was mainly a sarcastic statement that from what we have right now the h-100 should easily outperform the a2-300, but what we have right now is inaccurate, and it would help if there were some measurements.

Right, but my point is that we don't even have anything right now that suggest the h-100 "easily outperforms" the a2-300.

gotchaforce

12-20-06, 06:17 PM

Right, but my point is that we don't even have anything right now that suggest the h-100 "easily outperforms" the a2-300.

im mainly referencing the FR graphs posted by one member who had his h100 stacked on top of his a5-300

Willd

12-20-06, 06:22 PM

i dont see anyone else in the thread that believes that the reason for the price raising was because of greed, so not sure why you replied to it

What? Did you miss the pat where I was quoting somone who posted exactly that in this thread?

Here is the post, and I'll quote the part I replied to.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9225310&&#post9225310

But now, jack up prices alienate those who thought about giving your product a try and lose lots of business down the road.
Honestly, I thought I could live with a HT sub that had the finish of a 'hidden in the trunk of my car, car audio sub' for a great price. as long as it performed. But not now.
To me the huge price increase spells one thing. Greed. But I guess that is the American way so I guess kudos are in order.

Willd

12-20-06, 06:23 PM

im mainly referencing the FR graphs posted by one member who had his h100 stacked on top of his a5-300

Sure, and those are hardly evidence of one sub clearly outperforming the other.

gotchaforce

12-20-06, 07:37 PM

Sure, and those are hardly evidence of one sub clearly outperforming the other.

yes i already stated that up several posts

what im saying is we have nothing in terms of measurement for the a2-300, so just get the h100 instead of waiting 5 weeks.

gotchaforce

12-20-06, 07:40 PM

What? Did you miss the pat where I was quoting somone who posted exactly that in this thread?

Here is the post, and I'll quote the part I replied to.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9225310&&#post9225310

yes you were quoting someone, the rest of us never even mentioned anything about greed and understand its not about that, we just said it was unwise decision. Just seems a bit silly to address one opinion, and then address it as if it was everyones opinion who thought it was unwise to jack up the price.

mainemanx

12-20-06, 08:55 PM

Why does this forum attract so _expletive deleted_ many lawyers... or wannabe lawyers?

Willd

12-20-06, 08:57 PM

yes you were quoting someone, the rest of us never even mentioned anything about greed and understand its not about that, we just said it was unwise decision. Just seems a bit silly to address one opinion, and then address it as if it was everyones opinion who thought it was unwise to jack up the price.

Where did you get the idea that I was addressing everyone and not just the person I quoted? I never mentioned everyone else, and by quoting the poster directly, I was obviously talking to him.

You need help.

Willd

12-20-06, 08:57 PM

yes i already stated that up several posts

what im saying is we have nothing in terms of measurement for the a2-300, so just get the h100 instead of waiting 5 weeks.

...

fordfisher

12-20-06, 10:46 PM

fordfisher

12-20-06, 10:49 PM

actually I think that is a 52% increase I apologize again, this time for my math skills.

gotchaforce

12-20-06, 11:36 PM

Why does this forum attract so _expletive deleted_ many lawyers... or wannabe lawyers?

hey if i was a lawyer i would be in the $20,000+ forum right now not even talking to you guys :D

also i have "argue flashes" (like hot flashes) that last several hours long, now i really dont even care to post in this thread anymore

ill be back to this thread in a week or so :o

goobernoodles

12-21-06, 12:07 AM

also i have "argue flashes" (like hot flashes) that last several hours long, now i really dont even care to post in this thread anymore

ill be back to this thread in a week or so :oWe forgive you. ;)

wje

12-21-06, 12:57 AM

hey, listen, settle down, Im sorry for the reference to greed. I know everyone wants the American dream. eD is just out after their share. I just thought going from intro price of 230 to 350 a 48% increase in what, about a month? was excessive. It really is none of my business what eD does with pricing. I thought at under 300 the a2-300 was an exceptional deal if it performed well. now at 350 it may be more in line with other subs out there especially considering the finish. I might still buy the a2-300 after further reviews from some of you audiophiles. I am just going to have to wait to see how it performs and then compare it to other subs that might fit my individual needs. :) :)
Welcome to supply and demand. I'm sure that by having to add over-time for employees working longer days, getting additional electrical capacity in their shop, etc. had quite a bit to do with the price increases. We can't expect companies to survive by selling their goods at give-away prices.

I'm sure eD will quickly realize that to become more profitable, the cabinets will have to be made in another county where the labor is much cheaper. Other than SVS (that I'm aware of) most other companies have "off-shored" much of their manufacturing process.

Replacement

12-21-06, 02:37 AM

Here is some feedback from the time I had played it.
I had about 1/2 hour to play around with the sub today and only got to play music on it.

I tried some Bob Marley first, it seemed to play the notes fairly well and clean.

I then played some Pantera, it was not as "tight" or "punchy" as the dual 10" subs I had in my car but definitely hit lower and held the whole note without fading.

Then I tried some rap, 3 6 Mafia and Too Short, Holy Sh*t :D this thing can really hit the lows and sound good doing it. It shook my whole living room floor and most of the rest of the 2nd level. :eek:

So far I really like how it preforms and would recommend it.
I'm hoping to view Van Helsing within the next couple of days and will give my unprofessional opinion on how well it preforms.

Ok, here are some pics finally. I took them as soon as it came out of the box. If anyone would like to see some specific pics without opening the unit up let me know and I'll try to take some.

Size comparison with the bottom pieces of the spikes. The coating/paint seems very durable.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b85/House28/Resize1.jpg

Back and side view, I can not see the dust on there without using the cameras flash.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b85/House28/Resize2.jpg

Closer pic of the Amp, it says 300 watts of power consumption on it but the A2-300 is supposed to be 200 watts. Can some one explain this one to me?
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b85/House28/Resize3.jpg

Here is a shot of the sub with spikes on, I put a quarter next to the spike for size reference.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b85/House28/Resize4.jpg

Manic1!

12-21-06, 03:02 AM

QC problems are nothing new for ED. I would also not trust any reviews on ICIX.

Willd

12-21-06, 07:17 AM

Closer pic of the Amp, it says 300 watts of power consumption on it but the A2-300 is supposed to be 200 watts. Can some one explain this one to me?

I believe the 200W rating is for true RMS but it is capable of close to 300W peak.

Willd

12-21-06, 07:18 AM

hey if i was a lawyer i would be in the $20,000+ forum right now not even talking to you guys :D

also i have "argue flashes" (like hot flashes) that last several hours long, now i really dont even care to post in this thread anymore

ill be back to this thread in a week or so :o

Nice cop-out.

You were definitely on the losing end anyways. :p

Take some time to cool off during the holidays.

cdub998

12-21-06, 07:29 AM

So has anyone received this thing yet that can give us a real review. I am patiently waiting for mine.

jontherev

12-21-06, 09:38 AM

I've read this whole thread and now it's becoming quite humorous. I think the only valid complaint so far is the wait time (with no notification of said wait) and being charged upfront. And maybe the cosmetics (subjective). The one sub that seemed to have an issue I believe was quickly handled by eD. Remember, they have a 3 year warranty.

Everything else I read seems to be by people who are just p!$$ed off because no professional reviews have come out yet and they therefore missed the boat. That to me doesn't sound like an eD issue. Everyone on this forum had a great oppurtunity to get these subs at bargain basement prices and now it's gone...and so the whining commences. If you hadn't required a professional review and/or expected other forum members to do research and testing just to build up your confidence level, then you would have pulled the trigger like I and apparently many others did. Bottom line...it's your own fault you missed the great prices, NOT eD's for raising them before the reviews came out. Time will tell whether it was a good decision on their part. I suspect the very slight increase will not effect sales significantly if reviews are pretty good. Also, it's only a $45 increase over the last price because you can still use the coupon code (I assume?). Sorry for the rant, but I can't stand it anymore. Some people are really over-reacting imho. I agree with the recent poster who mentioned how many newbies that read this could be easily turned off by all of the paranoid posters, and that's why I felt like chiming in. Believe me, if my sub arrives next month and there are issues with it, I will definitely chime back in with my complaints. Until then, the sky has not yet fallen.

wje

12-21-06, 10:20 AM

If you hadn't required a professional review and/or expected other forum members to do research and testing just to build up your confidence level, then you would have pulled the trigger like I and apparently many others did.
It think it will take some time for some truly "professional" reviews. After all, when SVS hit the streets, there were a lot of impressed owners - and a lot of people who bought the subs on those comments. But, it did take some time to get the reviews flowing in the pipeline.

fordfisher

12-21-06, 10:49 AM

Also, it's only a $45 increase over the last price because you can still use the coupon code (I assume?).

I agree that the deal is still a deal if we can use the coupon code. Has anyone ordered lately and used the code. BTW I cant find the coupon code in the search. What page was it on?

cdub998

12-21-06, 11:45 AM

I agree that the deal is still a deal if we can use the coupon code. Has anyone ordered lately and used the code. BTW I cant find the coupon code in the search. What page was it on?

Its just avsand whatever model... ex for the a2 series avsa2, I used one the day before the prices went up and they emailed me saying they arent sure when the codes will expire.

XylerB

12-21-06, 12:45 PM

Im not sure if this is intentional or not, but if you buy a package deal, say a set of bookshelf speakers and a sub, you can get the 15% package discount, and the coupon still works for another 10% off the sub.

rickneuropa

12-21-06, 04:11 PM

I also will put my 2cents in.
I have purchased many eD car audio products, and have been nothing but impressed with both the price, and quality of the products! They put a smile on my face, whenever I get in my car, and the Beatles Love DVD hits a low note!! I like to feel my hair move from my eD flat cone! :p
I was excited when I found out they were getting into the HT game! I own a 10 year old Polk Audio RM set with a 8" sub, and have been wanting to get something beefier for a while now. As well as replace the satellites. I am looking forward to going to Newton, as I am also a fellow Iowan, and demoing thier HT products.
I see everyone on here are business gurus!!! Love to read how a perfect company should be run....comical!
Everyone at eD are great people to deal with! I for one, have not run into any issues with the subs and amps that I've purchased from them. They are well built, and went above my expectations. Give them a break with all the whining that I am reading on the thread. You sound like a bunch of spoiled brats wanting your toys now, or your telling dad!!! Maybe, being from Iowa, I am more forgiving, and understanding of underestimation of product demand. Or maybe it's because I know these people are classy folks who would never intentionally steer a person wrong. Be patient, and your patience will be rewarded! If you find it's not your cup of tea, well, that is what the 30 day money back trial period is for! How can you go wrong?
I enjoy the few reviews I have been reading. Replacement had a nice quick one with some confirmation that they can go deep and loud. Keep the reviews coming as they show up on doorsteps! I will post my own thoughts when I get to play with them at their shop....

tdamocles

12-21-06, 05:41 PM

I've had my A5-300 for a while here and I must say it rocks! I've tested the FR 'of my room' in a previous post and I'd like to comment on the sound. Now this is my own personal opinion of the A5.
You guys must remember that I have an eq to take the peaks out of the response. I have the response flattened so the acoustics don't play havoc with the sound. The sub is calibrated 12db louder than the mains (I know - a little over calibrated).
I don't listen to much music but it sounds tight and transparent to me. I listen to music to the likes of Soundgarden and Audioslave which sounds great.
I mostly watch movies and it pounds! I've downloaded the LFE demos to test and it does quite well without any port noise. Two demos that come to mind are the Finding Nemo aquarium scene and The Haunting scene. Both play without any port noise and these scenes are very demanding(remember - 12db higher than the mains).
In comparison, I'm almost sure the BIC h100 would have no chance in the headroom department. Also I think the H100 has more of a 'speaker in a box sound.' Don't get me wrong, the H100 sounds great with good value for the price.
Here's my review (and a sucky one it is) and I hope it helps someone!

wje

12-21-06, 05:51 PM

Maybe, being from Iowa, I am more forgiving, and understanding of underestimation of product demand.
Actually, I thought the mid-west people were more pragmatic and less forgiving.

Manic1!

12-21-06, 06:23 PM

rickneuropa

12-21-06, 07:59 PM

As much as Flat and cone are an oxymoran....to me, it's more of a discriptive term of the best looking sub I've ever seen! :)

rickneuropa

12-21-06, 08:01 PM

wje......you must not have traveled or met anyone from Iowa before! :)

wje

12-21-06, 08:24 PM

wje......you must not have traveled or met anyone from Iowa before! :)
Oh, I've traveled. I've also lived next to your state. :)

vitod

12-21-06, 08:41 PM

What does the word flat cone mean to you?

Flat cone.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/slide51k/sq10_logo.gif

Manic1!

12-21-06, 10:07 PM

As much as Flat and cone are an oxymoran....to me, it's more of a discriptive term of the best looking sub I've ever seen! :)

It also had lots of problems that ED would not admit too and what about the amps stuck in asia and pre orders that lasted for ever?

Manic1!

12-21-06, 10:09 PM

Flat cone.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/slide51k/sq10_logo.gif

Do these come with an aluminum backing? :o :rolleyes:

causeofhim

12-22-06, 12:49 AM

Quick question:
I have one of these comming. What cables do I need to order to hook it up to my Panny XR57?

Dom C

12-22-06, 04:01 AM

Flat cone.

Heres one of the original flat cones.

h**p://w*w.icixsound.c*m/vb/icixnation/images/38_691.j*g
...tt.........w................o............................ .............p

Fill in the asterisks, I still can't post photos or links.

savagebee

12-22-06, 06:48 AM

It also had lots of problems that ED would not admit too and what about the amps stuck in asia and pre orders that lasted for ever?
sorry.. but the old 15a flatcone thing was how long ago?

rickneuropa

12-22-06, 10:18 AM

I have to post a few times before I can post a pict.....here is #4

rickneuropa

12-22-06, 10:19 AM

#5!!

rickneuropa

12-22-06, 10:20 AM

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/534000-534999/534429_4_full.jpg

Here is my flat cone eD sub....love the weave look of the kevlar....

causeofhim

12-22-06, 10:27 AM

Quick question:
I have one of these comming. What cables do I need to order to hook it up to my Panny XR57?
?

Geoff L

12-22-06, 10:56 AM

cuseofhim:

Use a Single rca-cable from Pani receivers sub out to rca subwoofer amps R or L sub in.
You can use a Y-adapter on the end of the single rca cable to feed both the R & L subwoofer amps line in's if you like. This can help the auto turn circuit on the sub amp to work better in some cases.
You don't need to use a monster cable or the over priced liked cable, any decent cable works fine.

Hope that helps....

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/icixnation/images/38_691.jpg
http://www.edesignaudio.com./gallery/data/500/1snapshot2.jpg

vitod

12-22-06, 11:12 AM

Very nice! Wish eD could've made something like that.....maybe?

Geoff L

12-22-06, 12:44 PM

Very nice! Wish eD could've made something like that.....maybe?

I'm sure ED is looking to maximize spl and extension with their current HT-subwoofer offerings. Specs for drivers are also different than the drivers used in pictured subs.

More candy using ED Flat Cone drivers.
All pics of the subs posted are Sealed subs built by private flat cone owners or companies.

Type Twelve Audio Subwoofers

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0025-med.JPG
http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0024-med.JPG http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0021-med.JPG
http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0012-med.JPG

More pic's:

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0019-med.JPG

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0020-med.JPG

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0026-med.JPG

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0030-med.JPG

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0032-med.JPG

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0033-med.JPG

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0035-med.JPG

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0014-med.JPG

rickneuropa

12-22-06, 01:09 PM

Those are sweet looking HT sub enclosures!!!! But anyone else have this vision of their wives bent over taking clothes out of one, and transferring into the other??? These should be dubbed, the Neptune Subs!!!

afviper

12-22-06, 01:23 PM

Here is a previous post about a problem I had with the A2-300:

While reading this keep in mind I have zero experience with subwoofers, other than small HTIB, and computer subs.

I am having a problem with some unwanted noise that I have been trying to analyze with the help of ED support. After a couple days of using the sub I started hearing a noise the was similar to metal rattling, it was the loudest at the port, and the amp, and was muffled, but still audible at the driver. I contacted ED support with my problem and asked if it would void the warranty if I took the amp, and driver out to inspect for loose hardware, they said it would be fine. I took the amp out, didn't find anything loose, same with the driver. Contacted ED again, I was told to remove the driver and listen to it out of the box to try to find out where the sound was coming from. Now it sounded like the sound was coming from the driver, although it didn't sound anything like the sound coming out of the port, it sounded like a card stuck in a bicycles spokes, only muffled a lot.

It seems like this is a problem with the driver, not sure if War Of The Worlds killed it, or if this is a defective driver. I am waiting for the reply from ED, and will keep you guys posted on any developments.

ED sent me the replacement driver, I hooked it up but it did not fix the problem. I am having the same rattling sound as before. I guess the problem must be the amp, or it might be the port not being secure, I will have to investigate further.

On a positive note ED customer service has been great, they answered all of my questions with fast email responses. The driver got to my place quickly, in perfect condition, and the shipping was paid both ways.

rickneuropa

12-22-06, 01:27 PM

Have you tried to listen for the rattle? Take your hand, and hold the amp against the enclosure, to see if it goes away? Make sure the seal on the sub is good. Did you shake the enclosure around when you had the sub out of it, to listen to any loose items? Make sure nothing around the sub enclosure like furniture is what your hearing? I've had that happen to me.

afviper

12-22-06, 01:33 PM

cdub998

12-22-06, 01:37 PM

Try to move the port. It may not be secured.

allsop4now

12-22-06, 01:44 PM

On a positive note ED customer service has been great, they answered all of my questions with fast email responses. The driver got to my place quickly, in perfect condition, and the shipping was paid both ways.

I think it is important that public credit is given to companies that have good after-sale support* Too often ID companies are very problematic when there is a problem of some sort with the product after the sale/delivery, and the reason for that is because it cost quite a bit of money to have a decent after-sale support.

* I am not associated with ED in any way, just in case you wonder. Actually, since I live in Sweden, I doubt I will buy anything from them at all due to extra costs/taxes
of importing.

Replacement

12-22-06, 02:06 PM

Here is a previous post about a problem I had with the A2-300:

ED sent me the replacement driver, I hooked it up but it did not fix the problem. I am having the same rattling sound as before. I guess the problem must be the amp, or it might be the port not being secure, I will have to investigate further.

On a positive note ED customer service has been great, they answered all of my questions with fast email responses. The driver got to my place quickly, in perfect condition, and the shipping was paid both ways.

Can you stick your hand into the port? What I have noticed is that the speaker wire (I think it is the speaker wire, I haven't opened the unit up) is Very close to touching the port. It maybe touching your port and vibrating during operation and causing this noise you are talking about. I have had something similar happen with my car subs, I ended up shorting up the wire. (just a thought)

vitod

12-22-06, 02:31 PM

Peppery John

12-22-06, 04:47 PM

Parts and fit myself.

Actually he would've sent me an amp out but as they can't send one out until Monday anyway and he hasn't really decided whether it's the amp or speaker that's at fault, I said we'll leave it over the weekend and phone first thing Monday.

I've checked it direct from DVD with an analog signal and the speaker is pumping well, the only way I can describe it is as a thumping crackly tick.
Set up in the normal manner it won't seem to accept a digital signal unless the volume is at maximum and then it's not very loud at all.
The last test which eD suggested, was to directly connect the speaker wires from my receiver to the inline of the sub, which produced nothing apart from one pump of the speaker when I switched it on and one pump when I switched it off.
Lastly I took the back off to look for loose connections and there were none.

Just received my replacement amp, fitted and it's working fine. :D

h1tman

12-22-06, 05:02 PM

Just received my replacement amp, fitted and it's working fine. :D

PJ,

How was the customer service?

rickneuropa

12-22-06, 05:54 PM

PJ,
Great to hear, now get to work listening, so you can give us a long review of your observations with your new Sub!:) Please!

Peppery John

12-22-06, 05:59 PM

PJ,

How was the customer service?

It's very good actually. No problems with them at all, they posted it Monday and I received it mid Friday afternoon. I just have to return the faulty amp, no charges.

Peppery John

12-22-06, 11:24 PM

PJ,
Great to hear, now get to work listening, so you can give us a long review of your observations with your new Sub!:) Please!

Lol, I'm not your man to review this, strictly amateur. I think the neighbours would kill me, living in a ground floor duplex with neighbours on all sides and this is just the A2-250. God knows what the A2-300 would do. I did think of getting the 300, but it was a tad to big for placing and it's not a large room by any means, the measurement being 12'x14' with a 9' ceiling, plus wooden floors. We were watching a bit of Underworld: Evolution tonight in 5.1 and the Missus was terrified that we might get visited by the Police. Anyway had to turn the sound down, the house was certainly rocking. Not my type of film really, at the moment I'll watch anything in 5.1, it's still a great novelty, being my first subwoofer.

Music wise, I think I'm going to have to reassess my music collection now :eek: I've just dug The Beatles White Album out, on tape too and just realised there is loads of hidden base there that I've missed out on all these years of just listening to stereo :) I'd better get it downloaded onto a CD now.

I'm very pleased indeed to have got in at the introductory $200 price level too. :D

Manic1!

12-22-06, 11:26 PM

I'm sure ED is looking to maximize spl and extension with their current HT-subwoofer offerings. Specs for drivers are also different than the drivers used in pictured subs.

More candy using ED Flat Cone drivers.
All pics of the subs posted are Sealed subs built by private flat cone owners or companies.

Type Twelve Audio Subwoofers

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0025-med.JPG
http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0024-med.JPG http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0021-med.JPG
http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0012-med.JPG

More pic's:

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0019-med.JPG

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0020-med.JPG

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0026-med.JPG

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0030-med.JPG

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0032-med.JPG

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0033-med.JPG

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0035-med.JPG

http://www.edesignaudio.com/gallery/data/504/2DSCF0014-med.JPG

Were are the pics of the cone separation???

rickneuropa

12-23-06, 12:40 AM

PJ,
Do yourself a favor, and order the new Beatles "Love" CD+DVD. And play the DVD on your system.........you can thank me later....listen to I am the Walrus, and tell me how you like the bass in the break just before "sitting in an english garden..." You'll absolutly love Hey Jude sounding like it was recorded yesterday, and in 5.1!!!

Geoff L

12-23-06, 01:40 AM

Were are the pics of the cone separation???

There aways will be the few that have a problem with one of XYZ companies product. Those few are pissed for whatever reason legit or not and speak of it most any chance they get.
A thousand other positive product experiences ~{get set aside}~ because others just hearing about XYZ'z products get transfixed on/about those few who bought a product and where not happy for whatever reason, again legit or not..

Be clear, I'm no ED fan boy.
Just that we have used a number of their drivers for home DIY subs over the last 3-years & never had a problem. This includes the posted pic's of the older Flat Cone Drivers. And yes, we have destroyed some ED woofers pushing them well beyond their limits in some HT designs. No fault of the ED drivers for sure.

So can we stop the little ED bash blips and get back to what this thread is about. The HT-subwoofers ED is building/selling now and let the owners of these subs speak for themselves. To this point any "problems", and there seems to be all of two I belive, have been addressed quickly by ED's customer service.

If their HT-subs are ~{a poor value and or they don't take care of customer problems/issues promptly}~ it will surely come out & very quickly here.

Kapesh

causeofhim

12-23-06, 01:45 AM

There aways will be the few that have a problem with one of XYZ companies product. Those few are pissed for whatever reason legit or not and speak of it most any chance they get.
A thousand other positive product experiences ~{get set aside}~ because others just hearing about XYZ'z products get transfixed on/about those few who bought a product and where not happy for whatever reason, again legit or not..

Be clear, I'm no ED fan boy.
Just that we have used a number of their drivers for home DIY subs over the last 3-years & never had a problem. This includes the posted pic's of the older Flat Cone Drivers. And yes, we have destroyed some ED woofers pushing them well beyond their limits in some HT designs. No fault of the ED drivers for sure.

So can we stop the little ED bash blips and get back to what this thread is about. The HT-subwoofers ED is building/selling now and let the owners of these subs speak for themselves. To this point any "problems", and there seems to be all of two I belive, have been addressed quickly by ED's customer service.

If their HT-subs are ~{a poor value and or they don't take care of customer problems/issues promptly}~ it will surely come out & very quickly here.

Kapesh

Well said!

Manic1!

12-23-06, 04:39 AM

savagebee

12-23-06, 05:16 AM

sure they had their problems.... a long time ago....

and they have learned from it.. thats the only thing that can be expected of them...

Ive had a bunch of other drivers and amps in the past (all car audio) and found ed several years ago... I decided to give them a shot and see what happened...

nothing but good things

I actually had an 18" driver and I thought it was damaged from shipping.... nope, I was wrong, but they sent me the new driver and when the tested it and found no problems, they asked (asked mind you, never demanded) if I would chip in $20 for shipping a 50 pound speaker... twice...

(the story is I had a bad wiring config to my vc's and never realized it... the sub was not performing very well, so I took it out and brougt it indoors to play around with it... after I set it on the table , covering the pole vent, I thought I had a misaligned vc... turns out I was just being stupid, but they had no problem with helping me out... now Ive got 2 of the 18"s as well as a comp set, and some amps.... get over the past.. the guys @ ed have learned from their problems, and they never want to have them again.. why do you think theyve been working on the 9.5 (2 different versions I believe) for so long now... they want it right the first time... no preorders, non bs.. just shipping when its in)

Im waiting on the 13av2 version for ht.. just might be the ticket...

anybody want a 13 inch sub with 40 mm of xmax...? I do :D

fordfisher

12-23-06, 03:01 PM

well, its only fair that after getting pretty heated over the price increase, I write back and let you know that I "pulled the trigger" and ordered a a2-300. Why? because of three things.(1) the sound reviews so far have been excellent for a lower priced sub. Even though none of the experts have given us definitive reviews opposed to other more high end subs. (2) the problems listed have been minor and service for those problems has been great. Before the internet we had to rely on feedback from ones we knew on new products. They either liked them, thumbs up or didnt, thumbs down. Now we have the internet and as informative as it is it does tend to exagerate problems. Some that have problems post these because they are understandably upset but the hundreds of satisfied customers usually quit even reading the threads let alone posting their positive remarks. (finally) A member here PMed me a couple of days ago about the prices. He told me to call eD and talk to them. I did this and couldnt believe how personable the guy talking to me was. They did give me a good discount being from AVSforum and he explained what a small company they truly are. He told me up front that there was a substantial wait. I appreciated that. i dont know how well you will do with pricing but I do think anyone considering another sub because of the price increase, as I was, should at least give them a call. You can always say no thanks. It appeared to me initially that their driving reason for price increase was greed but now that I have spoken to them I have changed my mind. give them a chance.

vitod

12-27-06, 10:23 AM

By any chance, did anyone get their sub? :rolleyes:

causeofhim

12-27-06, 12:03 PM

Nope. I haven't heard anything from them.

afviper

12-27-06, 12:42 PM

An update on the problem I have been having with the sub making strange noises. I took the amp out to try and find out if the noise was coming from the port, or amp. When the amp was out the noise dissapeared. I then thought that it could be the enclosure, so I started hitting it to get the noise, when I hit it on the side walls, especially the right side walls, and the back wall it made the exact noise.

Could somebody try to do that with their sub so I know if this is a defect, or just the way the subs are. You just need to give it a solid hit with the side of your fist, it doesn't have to be too hard, try different spots on the enclosure to see if you get any differences. I hope this isn't the result of the walls flexing due to lack of bracing.

XylerB

12-27-06, 01:06 PM

Mine is coming today, however I dont have the equipment to properly test it. Problem seems to be that all those WITH the equipment to test the subs dont need the subs, so they havent ordered one, haha.

OvalNut

12-27-06, 01:10 PM

I hope this isn't the result of the walls flexing due to lack of bracing.
That sounds likely unless there is a crack or defect in the joint where the walls meet.

Tim

rickneuropa

12-27-06, 01:42 PM

afviper,
sounds like you found your source, as they should be solid, and no sound when you rap on them! Call eD and let them know your findings.... et us know how it all turns out!

XylerB, Give us a review when you get yours hooked up, and dialed in!

causeofhim

12-27-06, 02:58 PM

Should this sub be placed directly on carpet or should a piece of 3/4" plywood be placed under the sub on the carpet?

jontherev

12-27-06, 03:40 PM

By any chance, did anyone get their sub? :rolleyes:

I placed my order on 12-06-06, and it's been in "Box under construction" status since 12-08-06. I'm beginning to wonder if I'll see my sub before Valentine's Day. Did anyone else order around the time I did and if so, what is your current status?

XylerB

12-27-06, 03:47 PM

Well, not trying to discourage, but I JUST received mine today and I placed my order on 11/28/06 :(

goobernoodles

12-27-06, 04:54 PM

I placed my order on 12-06-06, and it's been in "Box under construction" status since 12-08-06. I'm beginning to wonder if I'll see my sub before Valentine's Day. Did anyone else order around the time I did and if so, what is your current status?
Ordered mine on 11/30/06 and it is ...still... "Box Under Construction"

Yawn.

Driscollv2

12-27-06, 09:38 PM

Mine was ordered on 12-8 and obviously is still in box under construction. If I didn't feel like I was going to recieve good support or a good product, I would dump this order. But since I feel that for the price and quality of the product I am happy and willing to wait.

BrianDubau

12-28-06, 01:45 PM

Well, not trying to discourage, but I JUST received mine today and I placed my order on 11/28/06 :(

Actually, thats encouraging to me. I placed my order on 11/29/06, but mine still says Box Under Construction. So maybe they will magically ship them today or tomorrow.

cdub998

12-28-06, 01:51 PM

Well I emailed this morning for a status. Here is the deal. Mine was ordered on the 17th. Under construction as of the 18th. As of today it will be another 4-6 weeks before it ships. Damn thats a long time. I wonder if I should get a bic h100. I'm not sure if I want to wait till february.

zukii

12-28-06, 02:37 PM

WOW!! :eek: That doesn't look like just 15.1mm Xmax. That bad boy was bouncing! :D

I actually took the plunge yesterday with the A2-300 for $270 shipped! Can't wait! ;)
I checked my construction update on eD and it's in the "wood shop". :cool:

i can't find the 270.00 sub :(

cdub998

12-28-06, 02:40 PM

i can't find the 270.00 sub :(

They are not $270 any more. the price was raised to $350. from $300. There is an AVS discount and thats how we got $270.

melvin74

12-28-06, 03:07 PM

fordfisher

12-28-06, 06:48 PM

Besides some of the talk in the news section of their website talking about their delays is it posted anywhere else on their site?

I was looking at the product page for the A2-300 and you would think they would
warn people of the delay of the product before they finished ordering. I did not go through the whole process of the ordering so maybe its later in the checkout?

Dont order online, call them and ask for avs discount. they will explain everything. they are small personalized outfit that is growing. they are right now overwhelmed. if you want your sub by christmas its not going to happen. :) :)

cdub998

12-29-06, 10:15 AM

Well guys I just sent an email to cancel my order. I got the Bic h100 for $229 shipped. Couldn't pass that up. I hope all of you enjoy the sub.

PeterDragon

01-01-07, 03:20 PM

Well guys I just sent an email to cancel my order. I got the Bic h100 for $229 shipped. Couldn't pass that up. I hope all of you enjoy the sub.

mods, excuse me if this doesnt belong here, but I'm not seeing prices like that for the H-100; I'm seeing more like 280. if you arent supposed to post where, please send PM.

Buckeyefan

01-02-07, 10:26 PM

I have tried holding the amp to the enclosure, but it is already secured tightly. I am sure it is not the furniture around the sub, if I put my ear close to the port I can hear the noise coming directly from inside the sub. I have also held down all of the feet, they were also not the problem. I have not tried shaking wound the enclosure, but will try that next, although it won't be easy since it is big and heavy.

It sounds like your problem is port chuffing. There is most likely excessive air coming out of your port faster than the port can handle, and it does mimic a rattling sound. This is normally an issue with design, building too much product into a box with too little port. I had a similar issue with the Cadence XSUB, which had a very powerful amp, decent driver, and small box that couldn't handle the air volume during WOTW. Try recreating the rattling, then stick your fist in the port to block the air flow and see if the rattling still occurs. It may get worse if you don't completely block the port, which is definitely port chuffing. Report back.

afviper

01-03-07, 01:23 PM

HiJon89

01-03-07, 01:26 PM

Well guys I just sent an email to cancel my order. I got the Bic h100 for $229 shipped. Couldn't pass that up. I hope all of you enjoy the sub.
Just cancelled mine too, got an SVS PB10 for $250 :)

mikeinnj

01-03-07, 02:20 PM

Dude, where the hell did you get that SVS for that price? ... Still waiting for my A2...

HiJon89

01-03-07, 04:00 PM

Dude, where the hell did you get that SVS for that price? ... Still waiting for my A2...
Gotta love the AVS for sale section :p

tdamocles

01-03-07, 05:09 PM

I already tried stuffing the port. I put a towel in the port, which sealed it well, the sound changed, but did not dissapear. I am pretty sure the problem is the enclosure not having enough bracing, although I can't be sure without comparing with another A2-300.

Can't believe that it is making noise because of no bracing. The H100 has no bracing and I swear that it is made out of 1/2" mdf.

rickneuropa

01-03-07, 06:01 PM

I don't think it's because of lack of bracing...more like the enclosure may not be sealed or one of the walls are loose, causing the noise, as the MDF is quite thick on these.

cdub998

01-03-07, 07:12 PM

Just cancelled mine too, got an SVS PB10 for $250 :)

Nice find.

vitod

01-04-07, 07:59 AM

Latest news. http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/ednews/home/blog.php?id=59

causeofhim

01-04-07, 10:14 AM

Chris Schempp

01-04-07, 10:56 AM

From their site:
"EHQS 8`s are surprisingly close to shipping regardless of the fact that we haven`t hardly released them yet. Hope to get that information online this week! Pretty cool little thing for 15 dollars :)"

Why are they spending time working on somthing that hasn't been released when their ordered and paid for HT subs are so far behind production?

The EHQS 8's have been designed for a year and a half roughly.

They aren't being built in the US.

Their production is doing nothing to slow down our building of cabinets.

Also, no one has actually paid for an HT sub until it's being cut and built. If it says "In Woodshop" on the order, then, and only then, has your card been charged. If it says "Box Under Construction" there was an authorization sent to the cc company, but it should have fallen off within a week. If not, call them and ask why.

Please understand, all available manpower is going into building, sanding, coating, and final assembly of the A2-300's. Unfortunately, we are a small company as has been mentioned before and we don't have unlimited resources to expand our facility to catch up on the initial order.

Trust me, I want to be out of this backlog of boxes more than any of the people that bought them. Nothing is quite as stressful as having about a hundred people asking you when they'll be getting their sub that isn't even being built yet.

In the last 3 days, 30 have been cut out on the CNC with about 10 of those assembled so far and ready for their sanding/roundover, 4 have been prepped for paint(That's the most we can fit in our current paintbooth and due to our current warehouse size, we can't expand it to accommodate more), 4 have been painted, and 4 have shipped.

rickneuropa

01-04-07, 11:13 AM

I think most consumers on here, are used to the stocked store mentality of instant gratification. With eD, it's like American Chopper. Each one is made with care, built to your specifications, and hand made for you...or maybe like Dell, but on a very small scale! I for one, like the exclusivity, the small ma and pa shop like building procedures, and knowlege that they are built individually with you in mind. Quality hand made products take time. Enjoy the anticipation, of recieving your products from them. I'm sure you will enjoy them once you get them. Sorry, sounding like a eD fanboy here...only because I know and use thier stuff. I hope eventualy they catch up on the subs and either Ear or Craig can get a hold of one, and give us their take on them against others!

Until then, has anyone gotten any of the HT speakers yet? The Towers look great! Those look like they are in stock! http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?cPath=2_42&products_id=96 At $500 a pair....someone has to try them out and give us a review!!!
http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/gallery/142_large.jpg

jontherev

01-04-07, 05:14 PM

Well, I just called for an update and was told it'd be another 4-6 weeks before I see my sub, ordered on Dec. 6. There are 28 boxes ahead of mine. :(

CupCak3

01-07-07, 12:58 AM

I kinda ordered an A3-300 sub out of semi-blind faith a couple days ago. I have some surrounds coming on Monday so I can give a quick a dirty sometime next week...

so has anyone actually recieved their speakers latey?

XylerB

01-07-07, 03:56 AM

I received a complete 7.1 setup and a A2-300, but unfortunately I only got a chance to watch a few parts of a few movies and then had to disconnect everything because we are painting downstairs. I liked what I heard so far, but of course this is my first setup in a new house and other than an old Velodyne sub my parents had I dont have much to compare it too. I also, havent listened to any music on the system yet. I will tell ya I had it cranked for War of the Worlds and my friend parked his car out on the street and got out of his car and heard the bass and the system is in the basement which is about 4ft in ground and 2.5ft above ground.

The fiance told me to never turn it up that loud again.... things were shaking on the counter, picture frames upstairs. She was afraid the cops were gonna be called, haha.

ace5000

01-07-07, 02:53 PM

LOL - still no credible reviews?

XylerB

01-07-07, 04:19 PM

Maybe we will get some info after CES, eD has a booth I believe. Not sure if they are taking home and car or just car.

alexlindeman

01-08-07, 03:02 PM

We dont actually have a booth at CES this year. But we are attending and making appointments if someone is interested in meeting us.

If you are interested in an appointment, please email le@edesignaudio.com

CupCak3

01-11-07, 07:18 PM

anyone w/ speakers lately? :)

goobernoodles

01-11-07, 07:45 PM

I should probably be receiving mine next week.

causeofhim

01-11-07, 10:43 PM

How do you know when you will be receiving yours?

epsilon72

01-12-07, 12:52 AM

EDIT:
Here's an excursion video of the 12" driver found in the A2-300.. VERY SWEET!
13Kv.2 (http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/13kv2_video.php)

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

WOW.

goblueguy02

01-15-07, 05:10 PM

Subliminal

01-15-07, 05:39 PM

I got bored of waiting. The whole delay thing is just a pain in the butt. Plus, I already had an amp and a driver sitting around, so...

Not quite finished, but pretty close. The dude at home depot sure made the project a lot easier by doing ALL of my cuts for me on their big saw gadget...

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f317/damontmorris/IMG_1999.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f317/damontmorris/IMG_1998.jpg

She still needs some work, but she's getting there. I brought it upstairs to let it sit while the glue dries, then I need to decide on a finish for it.

The sub was one I've had sitting around for a while, but it's never been used. It's an Elemental Designs 13Kv2.

The amp is one I bought from my cousin (actually, borrowed it, since I need to buy him another one ASAP...;)

The box..well, it's designed a little big to reach full excursion on the 240 watts available.

Now I just have to wait for the dang glue to dry before I can start playing with it. :(

new27

01-15-07, 07:04 PM

sounds like they may be a little hesitant for some reason to send out their products for review

Fnord

01-15-07, 07:14 PM

sounds like they may be a little hesitant for some reason to send out their products for review

I think it is more likely they just bit off more than they can chew for the moment and are struggling to meet demand.

I seriously doubt it's any more nefarious than that.

causeofhim

01-15-07, 08:09 PM

I seriously doubt it's any more nefarious than that.

Great word choice! Now we all have to learn a new word for the day. :D

mikeinnj

01-16-07, 01:40 AM

Has anyone received a sub recently? I ordered my A2-300 on 11/29/06 and last week was told mine would be going out in the next "week or so" - hopefully it's closer to a week than "or so" - I maintain that if it performs as advertised, it will have been worth the wait, especially at the early bird price.

For those of you who have had this thing for a few months now and had the chance to use it - still happy? Anyone really test it yet? Unfortunately I dont have any good sound testing equipment so I will be pretty worthless as far as reviews go for you true audiophiles.

I ordered mine in 11/29 also. I called the other day (Thursday) and was told that my sub was on the next pallet to go into paint on Friday. Paint takes 2-3 days and that it should ship out Wed-Thursday of this week. Hopefully yours was in the same pallet.

vitod

01-16-07, 08:16 AM

Anybody want my A2-300? I love it but I'm going with all 15's in my HT.

$300 shipped.

fordfisher

01-16-07, 04:39 PM

For those about to rock, and still waiting for their a2-300s. This is pretting encouraging.
http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/ednews/home/blog.php?id=65

I am stoked. Have you ever noticed that when you plan a great vacation the anticipation is half the fun. I just hope its a vacation worth waiting for. :D

One question, Vitod.
Would you order eD 15's?

vitod

01-16-07, 06:02 PM

[QUOTE=One question, Vitod.
Would you order eD 15's?[/QUOTE]

I already have 2 Rpl 15's waiting for a new home.....MINE! :D

I'm about to build 9cuft boxes for each of them.

Buckeyefan

01-16-07, 06:49 PM

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

WOW.

Nothing against ED, but most decent 12" drivers will hit that Xmax. Now this is excursion...

http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/JL/12w7.2.wmv

rickneuropa

01-16-07, 08:35 PM

For those waiting for thier subs, and wondering about eD as a company, check out a good article by the Des Moines register paper on this new company... http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007701150317

Dom C

01-17-07, 02:12 AM

I received my A5-500 and a 5.1 system a few weeks ago, but currently they are at home and I'm at school :(

I'll give a review to the best of my abilities, with lots of pictures next time I visit home.

Nothing against ED, but most decent 12" drivers will hit that Xmax. Now this is excursion...

http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/JL/12w7.2.wmv

Elemental Designs Av.2 prototype

http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/Elemental%20Designs/12a.1.wmv

Buckeyefan

01-17-07, 05:48 PM

Elemental Designs Av.2 prototype

http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/Elemental%20Designs/12a.1.wmv

Now that's more like it, but what's with that horrible wrinkle towards the top? Maybe need to redesign the surround?

CupCak3

01-17-07, 09:15 PM

I received my A5-500 and a 5.1 system a few weeks ago, but currently they are at home and I'm at school :(

I'll give a review to the best of my abilities, with lots of pictures next time I visit home.

Elemental Designs Av.2 prototype

http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/Elemental%20Designs/12a.1.wmv

I cannot wait to see!

any eta on the return home? :)

Chris Schempp

01-18-07, 10:42 AM

Now that's more like it, but what's with that horrible wrinkle towards the top? Maybe need to redesign the surround?

That's actually a normal occurance in a driver moving 3~4" peak to peak. It's accounted for when designing the surround and doesn't affect the speakers ability to reproduce sound.

causeofhim

01-18-07, 11:06 AM

I just called to get an idea when I will receive mine. My order went through on Dec. 12 and I was told there are about 50 in from of mine now. I was told that it would be at least another month and I could call back in a couple of weeks to get a better idea.

Oh well.

Dom C

01-18-07, 03:23 PM

I cannot wait to see!

any eta on the return home? :)
Not this weekend, but next. Hopefully.

vitod

01-23-07, 02:46 PM

eD has EXTENDED their warranty to 5 years! :D

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=33252

jontherev

01-23-07, 03:28 PM

eD has EXTENDED their warranty to 5 years! :D

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=33252

Sounds good, but will that effect those who ordered in December and still haven't received their sub? For example, I ordered mine for $270...is my price going to increase on Feb.1st? I would assume not, but will I get the bonus warranty at the old price? This wait is killing me. I feel almost like Cartman when he froze himself cuz he couldn't stand waiting 3 weeks for the nintendo wii. :D

vitod

01-23-07, 03:50 PM

I don't see why not. Email them.

goobernoodles

01-23-07, 04:00 PM

Well, I thought I was going to get mine last week... Didn't happen.

Anyways, I went on their online chat, chose sales... And the sales chat guy told me I should e-mail the sales@ed... guys. Kinda makes me wonder what exactly HE does. :rolleyes:

Anyways.. I'm waiting for a reply about that. I placed my orders for a Panasonic SA-XR55 and Onix X-LS's today.

Driscollv2

01-23-07, 05:11 PM

yeah is there any shipping updates for people who ordered?

mikeinnj

01-23-07, 05:27 PM

Waiting to find out when mine is going to ship. I was told Wed-Thurs of last week. Waiting on an email right now. I ordered on 11/29... this is getting stupid, if I had known it was going to take this long, I would have canceled and gotten the BIC. Oh well, I'll give it another week... :(

jontherev

01-23-07, 05:35 PM

yeah is there any shipping updates for people who ordered?
I called 2 days ago and was told to expect it in 3.5-4 weeks. It was ordered on 12-6-06. It's supposed to hit the woodshop probably early next week.

goobernoodles

01-23-07, 06:40 PM

Honestly, this is just getting ridiculous. I understand the first delay, and to be told 2 weeks after the new year began seemed reasonable.

Honestly, if there is another delay, I think we're entitled to either a partial refund or a free t shirt or something...

Jakeman02

01-23-07, 08:10 PM

I agree I've been following this thread since just after Thanksgiving when the promotional sale prices came out. At times it's gotten quite comical with delay after delay and charging or putting a hold on ccs 3 months or probably more before shipment.

I'm not saying ED isn't working hard to get these out, I have no proof of that eather way, but it's hard not to think their business practices leave alot to be desired.

new27

01-23-07, 09:24 PM

not good

wje

01-23-07, 11:41 PM

I'm quite sure similar growing pains were experienced with companies such as SVS when they got their start.

Jakeman02

01-24-07, 12:03 AM

I'm quite sure similar growing pains were experienced with companies such as SVS when they got their start.

I'm sure their were. I'm sure they were handled quite differently also.

vitod

01-24-07, 08:50 AM

Guy's, I mentioned before that I selling my A2-300. I have it and anyone wants it, you'll get it quick! ;)

I'm asking $300 shipped.

BTW, check out their prototypes for HT! :eek: Looks killer with good numbers.
http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/ednews/home/blog.php?id=67 Go to the bottom.

fordfisher

01-24-07, 09:39 AM

I'm sure their were. I'm sure they were handled quite differently also.

It is true that eD could handle their growth differently. They could sell out to a larger conglomerate who has plenty of roomand time for building or they could take out huge loans and fast track monster factory space. Then hire a bunch of part time help from ManPower. Both ways would way increase their delivery time. But both ways would jack prices or kill quality control or both.

I myself was a neighsayer only weeks ago but with the great price, I got what portends to be a great product for my HT. I still think the wait is worth it. When someone comments what great sound I have I can say, "yeah, its due in part to this bad boy, hand made in the midwest (USA) but you cant just order one up and have it overnighted for tomorrows main event. No, you'll probably have to go on a waiting list, probably 6-8 weeks."

anticipation, enjoy the wait. No, I dont work for eD. Cancel you order and buy Vitods.

goobernoodles

01-24-07, 02:39 PM

It is true that eD could handle their growth differently. They could sell out to a larger conglomerate who has plenty of roomand time for building or they could take out huge loans and fast track monster factory space. Then hire a bunch of part time help from ManPower. Both ways would way increase their delivery time. But both ways would jack prices or kill quality control or both.

I myself was a neighsayer only weeks ago but with the great price, I got what portends to be a great product for my HT. I still think the wait is worth it. When someone comments what great sound I have I can say, "yeah, its due in part to this bad boy, hand made in the midwest (USA) but you cant just order one up and have it overnighted for tomorrows main event. No, you'll probably have to go on a waiting list, probably 6-8 weeks."

anticipation, enjoy the wait. No, I dont work for eD. Cancel you order and buy Vitods.One of reasons I'm willing to wait, is that I have no other components here anyways. I do like to give people the benifit of the doubt though. It's just getting to the point where my patience is starting to wear thin. I can only hope the wait will pay off. :)

However, I'm receiving my XR55 tomorrow, and hopefully my X-LS's soon. I'm a happy camper. I'll just run my Insignia's till I get the Onix's.

causeofhim

01-25-07, 03:04 PM

I have everything ready to go now and no sub in sight. I was told it would be another month before they even have an idea of when it may be done. If I had any idea of this before placing my order, I never would have placed it. I understand that they have a lot of orders for a small company but they could have at least let people know on their site about the delay. I was never contacted by them telling me about the long delay. I had to contact them 6 weeks after my order to find out if any progress was made. :(

Well, to make a long story short, I cancelled my order today and will be ordering a BIC H-100.

Good luck to the rest of you.

BrianDubau

01-25-07, 07:20 PM

I'm in the exact situation as the above poster (causeofhim).

I ordered on 11/29. I emailed eD support on 1/2 to see the status and was told it would be 2-4 weeks. It's 1/25 and it's still "In Woodshop." I'm debating canceling the order, but I think they may have already charged my account. Either way, I guess I'll just wait it out and see if it ships by February.

goobernoodles

01-25-07, 07:50 PM

Well, I got an email back saying that my sub is scheduled to ship out on Wed.

Phew.

rickneuropa

01-26-07, 10:28 AM

Goobernoodle,
Give us a review of initial impressions when you get it, and a nice writeup when you have time to setup and calibrate and listen!:)

Driscollv2

01-26-07, 12:53 PM

Well, I got an email back saying that my sub is scheduled to ship out on Wed.

Phew.

when did you order yours again goober?

goobernoodles

01-26-07, 02:48 PM

I ordered mine on 11/30/06.

I'll give my impressions, but they should be taken with a grain of salt as my room is TINY, and one of the walls is angled. Also, I am by no means an audiophile, most of what I've learned has been within the past few months on this forum.

I can however compare the sound quality to the Logitech z-5500 sub, which the eD should absolutely destroy.

mikeinnj

01-26-07, 07:15 PM

Just got ship notification of my sub.
Ordered 11/29.
Can't wait. Scheduled for Thursday next week.

ace5000

01-28-07, 11:59 AM

Any reviews on these subs yet? This is getting hard to believe...

CupCak3

01-28-07, 02:06 PM

I was hoping Don C would come back with some impressions. He thought he’d be able to audition his new system this weekend :)

Right now I have two 5TCs and one 5T5 and I’ve been quite impressed thus far. I’m hesitant to make an “official” statement regarding these since they are running off of an old crap-o Technics receiver and have them placed on a plastic storage box in my office. I can’t wait to get some stands and a good receiver to hook these babies up. But that won’t happen until closer to summer when I buy a new TV. (I’d like the features of my TV and receiver to compliment each other) If the sub sounds anything like these speakers, I’ll be more than happy but I’d like hear some firsthand reviews from others. Since my order won’t be finished for at least another 1.5 months, I have enough time to cancel and get a HSU or SVS sub. But for the 350 or so price tag I paid for the A3-300, it will be hard to beat at the price point.

Dom C

01-28-07, 02:57 PM

CupCak3

01-28-07, 03:21 PM

Sorry fellas, something came up and I wasn't able to make it home this weekend :(

heh, no probs at all... any ETA on when you may be able to make it home again? :) I'm oh so tempted to get a set of a6-6t6's...

Also, what did you order in your 5.1 systems besides the a5-300?

Thanks!

Dom C

01-29-07, 12:34 AM

heh, no probs at all... any ETA on when you may be able to make it home again? :) I'm oh so tempted to get a set of a6-6t6's...

Also, what did you order in your 5.1 systems besides the a5-300?

Thanks!

A6-6t6 for the front and the A6-5t5 for the center channel and rears.

No eta at the moment :(

athos56

01-29-07, 02:34 AM

Just got ship notification of my sub.
Ordered 11/29.
Can't wait. Scheduled for Thursday next week.

I ordered mine the same day and they said that it would be the thursday after next :(

goobernoodles

01-29-07, 08:41 PM

I just got my shipping notification. I thought they were going to ship it out on Wednesday, however it turns out I'll get the sub on Thursday!

I'll have my sa-xr55, x-ls and eD a2-300 all by the weekend! :D

merlin2111

01-30-07, 12:02 AM

Dom C

01-30-07, 12:10 AM

i orderd a car audio sub and amp from them. i had the amp in 2 days and the sub in 6 months!!! and after i got it, it blew in a week. i wont be ordering from them again untill i see some good reviews and shipping times from these people. an amp isnt much good with out a sub. o ya did i mention that they charged me right away.... i dont know about these guys.

Sounds like you don't know about setting up an amp either ;)

Did you contact them about your problem?

One of my towers was damaged in shipping so they sent a replacement out very quickly. They even scheduled ups to pick up the damaged one from my house very quickly.

I can't comment on the product since I've logged about 10 minutes on the towers (initial impression was good) and the subwoofer got to my house after I left, but the customer service so far has been top notch.

DrSeuss

01-30-07, 10:03 AM

Ordered an A2-300 on 11/30. My account on the Elemental Designs website says it's still in the woodshop but I just recieved shipping notification that it should be here Thursday, 2/01. I waited because my past experience with ED car audio subs has been great.

goobernoodles

01-30-07, 12:35 PM

jontherev

01-30-07, 02:14 PM

I don't see why not. Email them.

In my experience, emailing them is not very effective. I emailed them on 1-23-07 politely asking if the new extended warranty would apply to my purchase. One week later, I still have received no response. Phoning them is much more effective in my experience. I just called for an update and was very disappointed. I called over a week ago and was told to expect it in 3.5-4 weeks. Now, it's scheduled to ship by 2-28 (maybe sooner?)! :eek: Apparently, we're supposed to get a pretty decent discount (how much remains to be seen) on future purchases due to this long wait. I was so shocked at the change in shipping that I forgot to ask about the extended warranty. Also, I was told that we should start receiving emails soon letting us know about our status.

This is just an FYI. Although I'm not very happy right now, if this sub performs well, all will be forgotten (at least by me!) in a few months.

It'd be nice to hear more from people who have received their subs and how (hopefully) good they are to make this wait go down better. :(

BrianDubau

01-30-07, 04:38 PM

Cool! Got my sub today, but I think I'm setting it up wrong.

I've got a Panny XR55 with the an RCA cable going from the receivers sub out to the A2-300's left input. I have to turn it about 75% volume on the sub to actually get some bass, but at that point it sounds terribly boomy. I'm got the sub setting on the receiver to 10 and the crossover at 80.

I hooked up my old sub (some really old Pioneer), and it sounds like it did before, which to me verifies the signal.

I know I'm missing something. Any idea on what I'm messing up?

vitod

01-30-07, 05:12 PM

new27

01-30-07, 06:20 PM

I just went with an hsu instead, this company sucks right now

Peppery John

01-30-07, 07:28 PM

rickneuropa

01-30-07, 10:31 PM

BrianDubau

01-31-07, 03:18 PM

Willd

01-31-07, 05:39 PM

Brian - do you have an spl meter? It sounds like you are turning it up too high for music because you might expect more bass where there shouldn't be that much?

Having to turn it to 75% with the XR55 on 10 doesn't sound right though. Talk to eD though, they should definitely help you out.

TJEli

01-31-07, 05:56 PM

Thanks vitod, Peppery-John, and rickneuropa.

My initial testing material was music. But when I switched to movies (Lotr), I was more than pleased. I guess I'll have to tweak it a bit to get a good sound for music.

You are use to a sub that has a large peak in the 50-60hz range that sounded "powerful" for music. Sounds like the ED is giving you a much more linear response. Its take a while to get use to.

-Eli

pittdog1

01-31-07, 10:14 PM

If you have your fronts selected as Large in the Panny, when playing 2-channel music your sub won't get much. When you play a DVD the separate LFE track will give you the bass from your sub. Select small fronts, then everything below 80 will be sent to the sub, even on 2-channel. With large fronts selected on 2-channel your panny won't cross the fronts at 80 as they are full bandwidth at Large, thus nothing to send to the sub.

BrianDubau

02-01-07, 07:40 PM

You guys are right, my ears really had to adjust. And after a couple of hours (and correct placement!!!), it really sounds great.

This probably sounds like an echo, but I can't give anyone a detailed review with an SPL meter, but I can try to answer questions or take pics if anyone is interested.

Thanks for the help guys.

mikeinnj

02-01-07, 10:38 PM

CupCak3

02-01-07, 10:54 PM

Got mine today, freakin awesome sub. I shook the basement door from two floors up and spider cracked the plaster down stairs. BTW, my sub's amp came with a standard IEC 3 prong removable AC power cord instead of a hardwired one. Nice touch! I've been running all sorts of crazy woofer cooker, Bass Mekanic stuff on this and have YET to get this thing to chuff or come close to bottoming out! Totally worth the wait!

ah good to hear... what size of room do you have your sub?

rickneuropa

02-02-07, 12:10 PM

Got mine today, freakin awesome sub. I shook the basement door from two floors up and spider cracked the plaster down stairs. BTW, my sub's amp came with a standard IEC 3 prong removable AC power cord instead of a hardwired one. Nice touch! I've been running all sorts of crazy woofer cooker, Bass Mekanic stuff on this and have YET to get this thing to chuff or come close to bottoming out! Totally worth the wait!

Mikennj, which model did you get? nevermind, I see it's an a2-300 Pictures? How about HT performance? What's your setup? Thanks for the quick review...helps those of us trying to decide on a sub!

goobernoodles

02-02-07, 01:48 PM

I got mine yesterday, and I've concluded that my room is indeed entirely way too small for this monster.

My sister, who just graduated college, is thankfully moving out within a week. She came upstairs and complained that all of the light fixtures on the first floor were rattling. This was with the sub on 75% gain, XR55 on -40, and the sub level on the receiver set to 5/20.

The only issue is not with the sub. It is with the house. 30Hz and below at a relatively low volume makes every door on the 2nd floor of this old house crap their collective pants. Reverb to the max.

I need to get an SPL meter and figure out how to calibrate this thing..

Does anyone else know the proper settings I should have on my receiver for an XR55/X-LS/A2-300? The X-LS's were attempting to play 20hz test tones... I don't think the crossover is setup correctly..

Willd

02-02-07, 02:16 PM

Hey Goober,

I have the XR55 as well. You need to go to the menu (multi control) and then scroll to Setup 2. Then you need to make sure you set your speakers to small. You also want to set the filter frequency to 80Hz (or 100, but I'd try 80 first).

mikeinnj

02-02-07, 02:58 PM

My A2-300 is hooked up in my 14'x9' room. Plaster textured walls, berber carpeting.
No SPL Meter or anything. Gain is at about 65%. So far I LOVE the finish, I'm using it as sort of an end table, next to my recliner.

My Setup:
Olevia 37" LCD 237V
Yamaha RX-V459 Xover @100Hz and Sub is at 50%
Velodyne CHT FrontRow speakers
eD A2-300 Xover @ 100Hz
Xbox360 w/ HD DVD Addon
Harmony 670 Remote

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/165/377705930_49f07a33ff.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/377705933_1090be5880.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/128/377705931_85bec4d6df.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/124/377705937_7ed50ddba1.jpg

goobernoodles

02-02-07, 03:18 PM

ace5000

02-03-07, 05:01 PM

Does anyone have anything to say about these Subs except they are "awesome"?

Jakeman02

02-03-07, 05:47 PM

Does anyone have anything to say about these Subs except they are "awesome"?

They take a long time to ship.

BrianDubau

02-04-07, 05:18 PM

They take a long time to ship.

An awesomely long time to ship.

CupCak3

02-04-07, 08:19 PM

my wife is going to freak when she see's how big the sub is :x

good thing i have another month until it comes :)

Driscollv2

02-05-07, 02:42 PM

For those who have recieved their sub's does the weight of 68 pounds live up with what ED days on there website?

goobernoodles

02-05-07, 05:22 PM

For those who have recieved their sub's does the weight of 68 pounds live up with what ED days on there website?I'd say so, but I have no way of weighing the thing. Not sure how I would balance it on a little bathroom scale... for that matter, if I ever did, I'd never be able to read the weight.

However, it is quite a solid sub.

Also - I have nothing besides my Logitech to compare it to, however, with that in mind, I can say that the eD is in a whole new league. It goes much deeper, tighter, cleaner, and with way more headroom than the logitech. Obviously, this is what is expected, however this is the best idea I can give you guys...

This is by far the best sub I've ever heard, however, I don't really have much to compare it to.

goobernoodles

02-05-07, 05:24 PM

Here's a few pictures of my setup, also.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7118/a2300ev8.jpg

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1738/setupcj4.jpg

rickneuropa

02-05-07, 05:41 PM

[QUOTE=goobernoodles]Here's a few pictures of my setup, also.

Are those eD bookshelfs?? Try weighing yourself while lifting the speaker on the bathroom scale, then yourself only...subtract! :)

goobernoodles

02-05-07, 05:45 PM

Good plan. I'll give it a shot.

And no, those are Onix X-LS's. Panny SA-XR55 also.

Willd

02-05-07, 05:55 PM

Man, the X-LS/XR-55/ED setup is a hell of a lot better than any logitech setup. Nice. ;)

How does your 55 do with no air room above it?

goobernoodles

02-05-07, 06:33 PM

Man, the X-LS/XR-55/ED setup is a hell of a lot better than any logitech setup. Nice. ;)

How does your 55 do with no air room above it?It never really got too hot to begin with, which is the only reason I put the EQ and CD player up there. I haven't noticed any heat issues. I'll definitely give it some breathing room in the summer, however.

And yes, this setup is worlds better. Music and movies alike are incredible.

CupCak3

02-05-07, 06:55 PM

goober: this is a bit off the eD topid but do you have your X-LS's crossed at the lowend? if not, if you turn them up on a song w/ alot of lowend base, can you hear them botteming out?

Thanks!

goobernoodles

02-05-07, 07:00 PM

goober: this is a bit off the eD topid but do you have your X-LS's crossed at the lowend? if not, if you turn them up on a song w/ alot of lowend base, can you hear them botteming out?

Thanks!
I have them crossed over at 80hz. It blends pretty nicely with the sub.

I was running them without a sub for a few days and if I'm remembering correctly, it took a lot (bass +10db) at like -25db on a song with a heavy beat to have them bottom out. They put out a decent amount of bass for bookshelves.

bholio

02-05-07, 08:42 PM

For those who have recieved their sub's does the weight of 68 pounds live up with what ED days on there website?
I just received one in the mail today from a AVS forum member (bought used). The DHL packing slip read 69 pounds, which includes the box and packing material. So yeah, its that heavy.

I'm in hot water with the wife because of the size (In hindsight, I should have gone with an STF-1). On a positive note, the rough finish makes it easier to carry.

goobernoodles

02-05-07, 08:52 PM

Now that I think about it, the UPS tracking info had the weight down as 70lbs, and there was only foam on the corners of the box, so not much weight there.

I will, however weigh myself and the sub tonight if I get a chance.

CupCak3

02-05-07, 09:09 PM

don't break the scale :D

CupCak3

02-05-07, 09:09 PM

I just received one in the mail today from a AVS forum member (bought used). The DHL packing slip read 69 pounds, which includes the box and packing material. So yeah, its that heavy.

I'm in hot water with the wife because of the size (In hindsight, I should have gone with an STF-1). On a positive note, the rough finish makes it easier to carry.

let us know you impressions when you get it hooked up :)

bholio

02-05-07, 09:13 PM

I ended up buying vitod's a2-300 that he mentioned in this thread. It showed up today. The eD is going in my family room where we watch TV and play xbox & nintendo. Just to make sure it worked properly, I hooked it up first in my living room in place of my SVS 16-46PCi.

After establishing that it worked, I fired up Room EQ Wizard and graphed the response of both subs. I first took a measurement with the SVS, the moved the SVS out of the room and put the eD in its exact spot. I then adjusted the sub volume control of the eD using Room EQ 'check level' function to match what I had the SVS set to. Then measured the eD.

Basically, I set the 2 subs as close to the same spot as I could. Of course, the SVS has an upward firing port about 4 feet off the ground, while the eD port is side firing about 10" from the ground, so close is relative. I put the mic on the couch where I could see it easily, and didn't move it between measurements or anything. I used the radio shack digital SPL meter plugged into my laptop. No calibration files or anything like that.

Basically, these numbers are only good for comparing these 2 subs in my room. Nothing here that you can use to determine how it will work in your room. But it is at least some measurement against a well known sub.

It appears that the eD runs similar to the SVS down until about the low 20s at which point it falls away quickly from the SVS which seems to benefit from a room-peak at about 18. Or, it could be upward firing port or something.

I do believe that I had the eD turned up a little louder then the SVS when checking the initial levels, just because I got of walking back and forth from the sub to the meter, and decided it was close enough at some point.

In the graph, the SVS is the purple line and the eD a2-300 is the blue-green.

Oh yeah. Most important thing. I did not have time or desire to give it a good listen after all of that. The eD is now in its proper room, and I'm still wokring on calibration in there. So, I have no listening impressions.

fordfisher

02-05-07, 10:41 PM

An awesomely long time to ship.

That is funny!!! :) :) :)

primetimeguy

02-05-07, 10:57 PM

bholio,

Thanks for someone finally showing some graphs, but wow do you have some room issues and/or EQ to work on. Are you trying for a house curve or is that just how things turned out?

rickneuropa

02-06-07, 12:48 AM

I ended up buying vitod's a2-300 that he mentioned in this thread. It showed up today. The eD is going in my family room where we watch TV and play xbox & nintendo. Just to make sure it worked properly, I hooked it up first in my living room in place of my SVS 16-46PCi.

After establishing that it worked, I fired up Home EQ Wizard and graphed the response of both subs. I first took a measurement with the SVS, the moved the SVS out of the room and put the eD in its exact spot. I then adjusted the sub volume control of the eD using Room EQ 'check level' function to match what I had the SVS set to. Then measured the eD.

Basically, I set the 2 subs as close to the same spot as I could. Of course, the SVS has an upward firing port about 4 feet off the ground, while the eD port is side firing about 10" from the ground, so close is relative. I put the mic on the couch where I could see it easily, and didn't move it between measurements or anything. I used the radio shack digital SPL meter plugged into my laptop. No calibration files or anything like that.

Basically, these numbers are only good for comparing these 2 subs in my room. Nothing here that you can use to determine how it will work in your room. But it is at least some measurement against a well known sub.

It appears that the eD runs similar to the SVS down until about the low 20s at which point it falls away quickly from the SVS which seems to benefit from a room-peak at about 18. Or, it could be upward firing port or something.

I do believe that I had the eD turned up a little louder then the SVS when checking the initial levels, just because I got of walking back and forth from the sub to the meter, and decided it was close enough at some point.

In the graph, the SVS is the purple line and the eD a2-300 is the blue-green.

Oh yeah. Most important thing. I did not have time or desire to give it a good listen after all of that. The eD is now in its proper room, and I'm still wokring on calibration in there. So, I have no listening impressions.

Thanks for all your hard work on the graph comparo! Really helps! for further comparison info:

eD a2-300:
12" Box sub
200 watts RMS
rated 18-100hz
$350

SVS 16-46P:
12" Cylinder sub
320 watts RMS
rated 16-100hz
$649

Bholio, give us a review once you get it dialed in with both music and HT....