New <$300 sub choices from Elemental Designs...

[Willd]

Well things have settled down now. The subs haven't been <$300 for a while, but the folks who own them seem to be pleased.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/index.php?cPath=2_41

[Sdiver2489]

Lol they look like bricks! :)

[mynym]

Nice post Wild!

Here is there entire lineup of HT subs --> http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/index.php?cPath=2_41

Although I've never heard any of these, judging from their huge following in the car audio scene I am sure these will be a big hit.

Now the big question. Can the A3 outperform the PB10?

[billybob_jcv]

I hope they sound good, 'cause even for a sub they are fuuugly!

ALL of their single-driver subs can do 18-100 hz +/-3dB? The dual-driver can do 10-100 hz +/-3dB? I'm a cynical skeptic - I'd like to see the test results...

[mikeinnj]

OH MY GOD!!
I've got two of their 10" subs loaded in a sealed enclosure in my car running 200w RMS each and they are unbelievable, very musical, they hit hard, are not boomy and shake the crap out of my car! Watch some of the videos for their subs and midbass drivers on their site. They can handle some SERIOUS excursion.

I was JUST about to plop down ~$220 for the BIC H-100, but screw that! I wanna try out this new A2-250! As for looks, Do Not Care. This puppy goes down to 18Hz and has more wattage than the H-100. Sign me up!

[Willd]

I was JUST about to plop down ~$220 for the BIC H-100, but screw that! I wanna try out this new A2-250! As for looks, Do Not Care. This puppy goes down to 18Hz and has more wattage than the H-100.

Exactly. The 250 does have a smaller driver though.

[Exocer]

Yeah at this price it makes stiff competition for the H-100 as far as specs go. It does have a lower tune than the H-100 so that definitely means more extension. As far as output? We'll need some tests to confirm.

Im unsure if the A2-250 uses the 10 or 12" driver though.

[mynym]

I'd go with the A2-300. It uses a 12" and is louder than the more expensive (by $115) A3-250. Cheaper shipping too.

I believe their XMAX ratings are rather conservative juding from the videos on their website. Insane XMAX.

[Willd]

believe their XMAX ratings are rather conservative juding from the videos on their website. Insane XMAX.

They're just being honest by posting the linear xmax. I am sure the xmech is a decent bit higher.

But yeah, I'd choose the A2-300 as well.

[sjetski71]

Wow,

Why couldn't these have been around a few months ago, before i purchased these two darn subwoofers i have now :(

Thanks for posting these OP ( thanks for the buyers remorse as well ! lol j/k )

[ninefivezero]

I'd love to see some reviews of these, anyone find any? My god they are ugly though...

[mikeinnj]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to go for the A2-300 over the 250. Just looking at the difference in the enclosure sizes, the weight, and the driver size definitly warrant the extra $35.

EDIT:
Here's an excursion video of the 12" driver found in the A2-300.. VERY SWEET!
13Kv.2 (http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/13kv2_video.php)

[mynym]

Technically speaking you could replace the 200 watt amp that comes with the A2-300 and replace it with a beefier bash 500 or 350 and it would still be under the drivers RMS.

[XylerB]

Actually, they totally do custom jobs so if you want, you can ask them for just the enclosure and sub and have it cut to the specs of the Bash amp if you really want, but they actually make their own amps now and you can upgrade it if you really want.

[mikeinnj]

That's what I love about eD, they're still a small enough outfit to cater to the individual. Check out their forums, they've got a dual 18" sub coming out very soon. The A7-900 I believe it's called. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 1000w RMS.

Here's a thread showcasing the size of the smaller A7-700 sub.
http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=31045

All I can say is, to hell with WAF! With subs like this, you can order a second empty enclosure and stick the ol' lady inside! ;)

[Dan Forsyth]

Well looks like I am going to order one of these babys. Is the a2-300 worth the 35 more over the a2-250?

[Willd]

Is the a2-300 worth the 35 more over the a2-250

I definitely think so, yes.

[Davidt1]

Yeah, the A2-300 looks very good. I might even look into the A3-300. I should have bought one when they offered free shipping a while back. By the way, I don't they their website does a very good job of showing the products. Some of these items could be improved:

There is little information of the amps they use.
Some of these subs have detachable power cords, but the specs don't tell you this.
The subs come in two colors but there pictures show only black.
There should be more pictures, especially of the back of the subs.

The price is nice. The only question is: how do their subs perform?

[vitod]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to go for the A2-300 over the 250. Just looking at the difference in the enclosure sizes, the weight, and the driver size definitly warrant the extra $35.

EDIT:
Here's an excursion video of the 12" driver found in the A2-300.. VERY SWEET!
13Kv.2 (http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/13kv2_video.php)


WOW!! :eek: That doesn't look like just 15.1mm Xmax. That bad boy was bouncing! :D

I actually took the plunge yesterday with the A2-300 for $270 shipped! Can't wait! ;)
I checked my construction update on eD and it's in the "wood shop". :cool:

[Jack Gilvey]

These look neat. I have to admit, seeing a 4" flared Precision Port on a $300 sub is pretty cool, even without knowing anything about its performance.
What's "room tuning"? Does that mean a 20Hz Fb?

[SightSeeker1]

WOW!! :eek: That doesn't look like just 15.1mm Xmax. That bad boy was bouncing! :D

I actually took the plunge yesterday with the A2-300 for $270 shipped! Can't wait! ;)
I checked my construction update on eD and it's in the "wood shop". :cool:


Cool. Looking forward to a review.

[vitod]

These look neat. I have to admit, seeing a 4" flared Precision Port on a $300 sub is pretty cool, even without knowing anything about its performance.
What's "room tuning"? Does that mean a 20Hz Fb?

I think it's their way of showing the sub is tuned to 20hz.

[CieJe]

I've been looking to build a similiar enclosure... for these prices maybe I'll just let some pros throw one together haha.

[vitod]

I've been looking to build a similiar enclosure... for these prices maybe I'll just let some pros throw one together haha.

I think for the amount in supplies and labor to DIY, it may come out the same. Maybe better off getting the subs at these very good prices along with the 3 year warranty!

[CieJe]

I think for the amount in supplies and labor to DIY, it may come out the same. Maybe better off getting the subs at these very good prices along with the 3 year warranty!

exactly. I mean, I was looking at more of a 15" ported design, like adire tempest or something, but after all is said and done... it'd be about the same $ and much more work of course than getting an A2 300...

[rnp614]

I couldnt resist and just dropped 270 for the A2-300 shipped to my door. I can't wait to see what a sub that goes below 20Hz actually sounds like in my home. The sub I currently use is the rocket tyke sub from the old AV123 sub/sat combo :D!!! I'm guessing that this may be a life-changing moment :p ;).

[vitod]

You have a infectious disease called "upgradetitis". I'm a victim. Signs are an uncontrollable desire of never being happy with your current gear. BASS, BASS, BASS, AND MORE BASS!
No known cure.

Thank goodness!! :D

[rnp614]

I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for a reason to add some bass to my system. I finally got that reason when I sold my X-LS to get some smaller Orb Speaks for my computer. They are going to get the tyke sub and the living room gets the ED sub! :D I really cant wait.

I really dont know what to expect.

[rnp614]

You have a infectious disease called "upgradetitis". I'm a victim. Signs are an uncontrollable desire of never being happy with your current gear. BASS, BASS, BASS, AND MORE BASS!
No known cure.

Thank goodness!! :D


But honestly, how could ANYONE be happy with just that tyke sub?!! ITS TOO TINY! :D

[CieJe]

I'll probably wait till a couple of you recieve your a2 300s to see how they perform first... they look REALLY well designed, and are definatelly priced well, so we'll see.

[Liaury]

...
The subs come in two colors but there pictures show only black....
I think the color option is just for the driver (silver or black).

I appreciate all the folks here taking the plunge. I have a tyke sub in a 15 x 20 room. I don't really know what the sub does. :)

Looking forward to your impressions.

[vitod]

I'll probably wait till a couple of you recieve your a2 300s to see how they perform first... they look REALLY well designed, and are definatelly priced well, so we'll see.

C'mon, this sale is not going to last forever. If we all thought that way, no one would get anything. :rolleyes: I never heared one but so what. I can tell that this is a very good sub. Their reputation is on the line. Their woofers are very well know and built in the car audio world. GO FOR IT!! :D :D

[CieJe]

yea... I want to but I'll be dropping ~$400 for the Wii + games etc this weekend; so I'll wait. It says that the discount deal is good till Dec. 1st. So lets get some reviews ;)

[new27]

If these subs are really class leaders they should ship a few to Craigsub, within a month
they'll have more orders than they can handle.

[vitod]

This should give an idea of the A2-300.

[mikeinnj]

Just put my order in for an A2-300!
Can't wait to see the A7-900 with two of these 18" subs in it!
http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/19ov2_video.php

Pretty crazy for such a large sub with that level of control!
And here's a video of the 10's that I've got in my car:
http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/9kv2_video.php

:cool:

[Willd]

I look forward to the impressions of those who have ordered. :)

[afviper]

I just ordered the A2-300. I ordered the BIC H-100 last night, but canceled my order this morning after reading this thread. The H-100 would have been $230, the A2-300 was $270, I think the extra $40 were well spent. The only thing I am worried about is Elemental Designs being able to produce this many subs this quickly. Just look at how many people have posted about ordering these subs, and thats just on this site. Who knows how many orders they are getting. This looks like a very promising company for the world of home theater subwoofers.

[vitod]

Looks like they can handle it...I hope. :rolleyes:

[Liaury]

Just put my order in for an A2-300!
Can't wait to see the A7-900 with two of these 18" subs in it!
http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/19ov2_video.php

Pretty crazy for such a large sub with that level of control!
And here's a video of the 10's that I've got in my car:
http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/9kv2_video.php

:cool:Do you think these videos are within the driver's realistic performance envelope?

I would kill anyone who tries to run my sub to those excursions. :mad:

[Echomalinois]

I really wish there were better pics of this on there web page. It's cheaper then a PB10 and goes lower then by H100. Man, Why did I have to read this post?

[mastarecoil]

I have used eD subs before in car audio, liked them a lot. Much bigger fan of ID personally, but they even overlap a few parts. If anyone is ever interesting in buying their subs, by the way, you can buy a hell of a lot cheaper than off their website if you look around (try car audio sites).

What kind of finish is on these. Its hard to tell. Is this like that spray on truck bed lining?

[vitod]

Do you think these videos are within the driver's realistic performance envelope?

I would kill anyone who tries to run my sub to those excursions. :mad:

:confused: It's only a demo to show the drivers limits. Those constant excursion runs would be rare in real world HT scenarios. To me, it shows a very high quality driver.

[mikeinnj]

The coating is a bit like the spray on bed lining, although, I don't think it's as thick. It's definitly a spray-on though. Great for durability. This is good since this sub is going at the foot of my bed and it may get kicked around during my sleep or if I rest something on it, I don't want it getting damaged. I don't need a 5 coat laquer finish for my room, just one more dust magnet.

[Liaury]

...What kind of finish is on these. Its hard to tell. Is this like that spray on truck bed lining? The "truck bed lining" is the description used by some of the owners on their forum.

[ninefivezero]

I just ordered the A2-300. I ordered the BIC H-100 last night, but canceled my order this morning after reading this thread. The H-100 would have been $230, the A2-300 was $270, I think the extra $40 were well spent.

Come on, you should have kept the H-100 on order and done a head to head comparison thread! ;)

[Sdiver2489]

:confused: It's only a demo to show the drivers limits. Those constant excursion runs would be rare in real world HT scenarios. To me, it shows a very high quality driver.

I actually agree. I think its more an attempt to impress based on the "oooo wow factor" rather than a quality factor. I mean, its nice that they show some QC but this really doesn't prove anything other than that the driver won't tear itself apart when operating at that excursion level for a minute...which I would expect most drivers on the market to do.

[rnp614]

I have used eD subs before in car audio, liked them a lot. Much bigger fan of ID personally, but they even overlap a few parts. If anyone is ever interesting in buying their subs, by the way, you can buy a hell of a lot cheaper than off their website if you look around (try car audio sites).

What kind of finish is on these. Its hard to tell. Is this like that spray on truck bed lining?


Yeah it seems really similar to that stuff..some kind of mix of the finish ascend acoustics uses and truck bed lining.

[Buckeyefan]

:confused: It's only a demo to show the drivers limits. Those constant excursion runs would be rare in real world HT scenarios. To me, it shows a very high quality driver.

Vitod - you are either an employee of eD, or a really geeked up fanboy. Relax. With some better photos, and a few reviews here, people may start ordering these products.

WOTW does a fine workout on most 12" drivers in a HT subwoofer. Subwoofers are meant to handle this type of excursion. One simply needs to feed it the proper frequency.

I think the best thing eD can do right now is to send out a few demo's to some experienced forum members for reviews. They're still pretty new in the home audio world, and the past several months haven't shown they've caught on yet.

There's no doubt their cabinetmaking appears top notch. They just need to update the website's photos, and submit their products to go head to head with the HSU's and SVS's of the world.

[Willd]

Vitod - you are either an employee of eD, or a really geeked up fanboy. Relax.

And you're obviously not considering that those driver videos are of low frequency test tones/sine waves at high volume....

[Davidt1]

I think the color option is just for the driver (silver or black).

I appreciate all the folks here taking the plunge. I have a tyke sub in a 15 x 20 room. I don't really know what the sub does. :)

Looking forward to your impressions.


You are right. Those are cone colors. It says so right there on the website. Yeah, the their subs are pretty ugly, but if they perform well, then I can live with that. There are some reviews on their forum. Read them with a fair mount of skepticism though.

[vitod]

Vitod - you are either an employee of eD, or a really geeked up fanboy. Relax. With some better photos, and a few reviews here, people may start ordering these products.

FYI, I'm 40 yrs, own 2 SVS tubes, currently modifying 2 pro boxes to accomodate 2 SS Rpl 15 D4 drivers, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=751113 and ordered the A2-300. Use to own, JBL, Velo, and various other subs I can't remember. I'm excited because I know how their subs perform in car audio. Seen and heared them. That doesn't mean I know how they sound for HT, but I have a very good idea. And their attention to quality is top notch. I've praised many other companies. Doesn't make me a "geek"," fanboy". You on the other hand, are very rude. I will not stoop to your level and name call you. I suggest, if you have NOTHING good to contribute to fellow members but name calling, you shouldn't post.

[vitod]

Update on the black V3's. http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/elementaldesigns_v3subwoofer.php For me, they look better.

Here's another link. http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/ednews/home/blog.php?id=38

[mastarecoil]

Who cares what color the cone is, you cant see it.

[Liaury]

Who cares what color the cone is, you cant see it.Well...you have a choice anyway.

[vitod]

Who cares what color the cone is, you cant see it.

Yes you can if your positioning the sub on it's side clearing the port and amp.

Instead of giving pot shots, be a contributing, informative member.

[mastarecoil]

Dont get your panties all up in a twist.

[stereojunkie]

Nice pics, I noticed that the amps on the two AS-300 were a bit different, I wonder if one is a newer model? Good stuff here, the one's who have ordered, I can't wait to hear members thoughts on these babies.

[gotchaforce]

WOW, for months i was limited to $300 and kept on wondering if i should really just go ahead and buy the BICH100, and the _WEEK_ my budget increases to $600 of course elemental comes out with a subwoofer that IMO blows away the h100 in every way possible (besides looks i guess). Amazing enclosure, amazing driver, nice amp, nice price, no dealing with ebay sellers and "best offer"... man

so...

can the A2-300 subwoofer really reach below 20hz!?!

someone buy it and post up a frequency chart puhleeeeeeze

[mastarecoil]

I just emailed asking if I could buy an A2-300 without an amp, hoping I could drop in my own Bash 300 for a little extra kick, but thats a no go. They said they would do it, but the cost of removing the amp (like they had to put it in in the first place) would make the price the exact same.

[afviper]

What I find strange is in the specs for all of their subwoofers the frequency response is 18-100Hz +/-3dB. I would expect there to be a difference between the little A2-250, and huge A7-600 in terms of frequency response. They must have done their own testing of the subs, but the specs don't seem right.

[CieJe]

WOW, for months i was limited to $300 and kept on wondering if i should really just go ahead and buy the BICH100, and the _WEEK_ my budget increases to $600 of course elemental comes out with a subwoofer that IMO blows away the h100 in every way possible (besides looks i guess). Amazing enclosure, amazing driver, nice amp, nice price, no dealing with ebay sellers and "best offer"... man

so...

can the A2-300 subwoofer really reach below 20hz!?!

someone buy it and post up a frequency chart puhleeeeeeze

yea, I hope so as well. claiming 18Hz-100Hz with only -/+ 3dB difference from I guess their average 114.8dB rating... sounds pretty nice.

[CieJe]

What I find strange is in the specs for all of their subwoofers the frequency response is 18-100Hz +/-3dB. I would expect there to be a difference between the little A2-250, and huge A7-600 in terms of frequency response. They must have done their own testing of the subs, but the specs don't seem right.

yea, but they all differ in average dB output. So to me, if they're fairly accurate, just means good design.

[vitod]

I just checked the status of my A2-300 and it's still in the woodshop. :(

[vitod]

Nice pics, I noticed that the amps on the two AS-300 were a bit different, I wonder if one is a newer model? Good stuff here, the one's who have ordered, I can't wait to hear members thoughts on these babies.

It looks like one is A2-300 with the 200w amp and the other A5-300 with the 500w amp.

[mastarecoil]

Would an A2-300 go well with Insignias front and back?

[gotchaforce]

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/index.php?cPath=2_41


on this page it has a picture of a clearly cube subwoofer for the A2-300 and lists these specs:
Model : A2 - 300 Subwoofer
Subwoofer Driver Size : 12"
Power : 200W - Dimensions : 20" H x 18" W x 20"D
Frequency Response : 18-100Hz - Weight : 68lb

but when you click on the A2-300 it clearly has a "shoebox" shape

and has these dimensions
Width 18.00""
Height 17.75""
Depth 20.00""

can someone please explain which it is??

[mastarecoil]

Maybe the difference is with and without spikes?

[vitod]

Very good point. I THINK it should be the cube style because the A2-250 has the shoebox design based on the pic. http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/ednews/home/blog.php?id=38 The pic with the 3 subs show a larger one on the left. That should be a 300 design.

I wish someone from eD would chime in.

[Liaury]

They've had some "typos" on the page. I actually e-mailed them to let them know that the A2-250 had 12" woofer size listed and A2-300 as the model name in their general spec area. They made the corrections today. Best to call them to clarify before buying.

[gotchaforce]

im definitely waiting for the site to iron out some of its specs before i buy anything

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?cPath=2_41&products_id=103

this is the main thing im looking at

i would love to see this vs a pb12NSD

[vitod]

im definitely waiting for the site to iron out some of its specs before i buy anything

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?cPath=2_41&products_id=103

this is the main thing im looking at

i would love to see this vs a pb12NSD

Here's a thought. With the sale on the A2-300, why not get 2 ($540 shipped) for the price of one A5-300 ($550) shipped? Not bad... ;)

[gotchaforce]

i honestly dunno if i have the room for two of those

also do you really think the output will be better than the A5?? the specs page have a high excursion rate, i bet the A5 can push huge amounts of air when it wants to

i wish i was in the situation of "$300 and below", i mean wow, the A2-300 i think is the CLEAR winner in this situation and simply cannot be beat below $300.

i gotta say i think the pb10 is de-crowned, i mean $450... free shipping no tax (afaik), 12" driver, 300w amp, amazing enclosure

[Davidt1]

i honestly dunno if i have the room for two of those

also do you really think the output will be better than the A5?? the specs page have a high excursion rate, i bet the A5 can push huge amounts of air when it wants to

i wish i was in the situation of "$300 and below", i mean wow, the A2-300 i think is the CLEAR winner in this situation and simply cannot be beat below $300.

i gotta say i think the pb10 is de-crowned, i mean $450... free shipping no tax (afaik), 12" driver, 300w amp, amazing enclosure

The pb10 de-crowned? It's possible only if the performance of the A3-300 holds up in an a/b. At 100lb the A3-300 is a little monster for sure.

[goobernoodles]

Well, I chatted with an eD tech online, and the picture on the A2-300 page is indeed incorrect. The photo posted in this thread before showing an unfinished sub was the a2-300.

So to make it clear, THIS is the A2-300:

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/icixnation/images/38_819.jpg

"Gives you a idea on size.

After some more testing this weekend the A2-300 actually had just about everyone in the office Saturday night. People 2 blocks away probably thought there was a concert going on.

A2-300 is just unfair really. Surpassed my expectations that's for sure. Working on the web site supporting information / specifications now. We were shooting for Friday but got a snag on some things in the office.

That's business. Re-adapt and move forward."

ALSO!

I asked the guy whether he believes they are going to be overwhelmed with orders, and he said absolutely not. He said that the building of the sub itself is very quick, however the coating of the sub is what takes time. They take 3-4 days to put layers on.

He said that the turnaround time is usually 10 days.

I think I'm going to have to splurge on this instead of the BIC H100... :D :D

[mynym]

They list a Black v.3 and a Silver v.2. Are these versions of the drivers with the black driver being newer or ?

[Willd]

They list a Black v.3 and a Silver v.2. Are these versions of the drivers with the black driver being newer or ?

Just use the online chat to ask questions. They are very responsive, so you'll get an answer quickly.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/index.php (check the top right where it says Ed Live Support)

[gotchaforce]

Well, I chatted with an eD tech online, and the picture on the A2-300 page is indeed incorrect. The photo posted in this thread before showing an unfinished sub was the a2-300.

So to make it clear, THIS is the A2-300:

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/icixnation/images/38_819.jpg

"Gives you a idea on size.

After some more testing this weekend the A2-300 actually had just about everyone in the office Saturday night. People 2 blocks away probably thought there was a concert going on.

A2-300 is just unfair really. Surpassed my expectations that's for sure. Working on the web site supporting information / specifications now. We were shooting for Friday but got a snag on some things in the office.

That's business. Re-adapt and move forward."

ALSO!

I asked the guy whether he believes they are going to be overwhelmed with orders, and he said absolutely not. He said that the building of the sub itself is very quick, however the coating of the sub is what takes time. They take 3-4 days to put layers on.

He said that the turnaround time is usually 10 days.

I think I'm going to have to splurge on this instead of the BIC H100... :D :D

WOW

amazing.. $250 for that sub, friggin nuts.

[Looneybomber]

What's "room tuning"? Does that mean a 20Hz Fb?
If you model their other drivers in WinISD with the enclosure volume they use, you will see they use room gain in order to produce their claimed 18-100hz -3db. Anechoic it's usually closer to 35hz. I have yet to model their low end drivers as I honestly do not care how they'll perform since I have one of their 18's and might order a second.


They list a Black v.3 and a Silver v.2. Are these versions of the drivers with the black driver being newer or ?
The only difference between the 2nd version (.v2) and the 3rd version (.v3) is the color of the cone. Everything else is exactly the same, even T/S parameters.

[rnp614]

If you model their other drivers in WinISD with the enclosure volume they use, you will see they use room gain in order to produce their claimed 18-100hz -3db. Anechoic it's usually closer to 35hz. I have yet to model their low end drivers as I honestly do not care how they'll perform since I have one of their 18's and might order a second.


Arent most measurements in-room response? When is an anechoic measurement really that useful? :confused:

[Looneybomber]

Arent most measurements in-room response? When is an anechoic measurement really that useful? :confused:
When you have large rooms opening into other rooms with flexible walls and lots of cheap single pane windows...much like I have. You can count on just a few db's of room gain then instead of the 10-12db's a lot of people like to use.

[vitod]

[QUOTE= I think I'm going to have to splurge on this instead of the BIC H100... :D :D[/QUOTE]

Y' think? ;) ;)

[bsheldon]

looney, thanks for adding some real data into the conversation.

Yes anechoic is typically what most of the more recognized manufacturers list. This is the true output of the sub without environmental assistance. It is really the only way to have true comparisons outside of having two subs in the same room. For example, I could have a sub that goes down to 30 hz anechoic in a tiny well treated room and get gain down to around 20hz. Also, I can have a sub that goes down to 25hz anechoic in a very large open room that only gains 1-2hz extension. Does this mean that the first sub has better extension? Of course not. If we switched the rooms we would find drastic differences between the extension of the two subs. Anechoic is a control type measurement that is a standard that should be used. From my above example you can see why it is important.

[billybob_jcv]

I think a mfr using in-room FR is pretty misleading. I know that getting +/- 3 dB in my sub-unfriendly room would be very difficult for any sub. It seems to me they are making two BIG assumptions - that they get the benefit of room gain on extension, AND they also have a room that isn't going to cause nasty nulls & peaks anywhere else in the FR. How realistic is that for someone shopping for a budget sub? If I had the money to implement a bunch of really good room treatments - I probably wouldn't be looking for a $300 sub!

It's hard enough to compare sub specs when mfrs try to use consistent measurement techniques - using in-room makes it even harder to use their specs.

[rnp614]

I think a mfr using in-room FR is pretty misleading. I know that getting +/- 3 dB in my sub-unfriendly room would be very difficult for any sub. It seems to me they are making two BIG assumptions - that they get the benefit of room gain on extension, AND they also have a room that isn't going to cause nasty nulls & peaks anywhere else in the FR. How realistic is that for someone shopping for a budget sub? If I had the money to implement a bunch of really good room treatments - I probably wouldn't be looking for a $300 sub!

It's hard enough to compare sub specs when mfrs try to use consistent measurement techniques - using in-room makes it even harder to use their specs.

Yeah, I'd be worried about this having purchased the A2-300, but I think I'll have really good response in my rather tight room.

We'll just have to wait and see I suppose. :p

[craigsub]

ED specifies their subwoofers @ - 3 dB @ 18 Hz on its own and @ -3 dB @ 10 Hz in room. They also list average max in room output from 10 to 100 Hz. I am not sure why anyone has a problem with this ... other companies post in room max SPL levels, and they do so without aspersions being cast.

It would be interesting to compare the A7-600 model against a PB12-Plus/2.

And, in an amazing coincidence, we have a Plus/2 here... :cool:

[Davidt1]

ED specifies their subwoofers @ - 3 dB @ 18 Hz on its own and @ -3 dB @ 10 Hz in room. They also list average max in room output from 10 to 100 Hz. I am not sure why anyone has a problem with this ... other companies post in room max SPL levels, and they do so without aspersions being cast.

It would be interesting to compare the A7-600 model against a PB12-Plus/2.

And, in an amazing coincidence, we have a Plus/2 here... :cool:

A lot of people are dying to know more about this company's subs. You would do everyone a huge favor with a comparision. :)

[gotchaforce]

i thought i posted this but apparently not:

should i go with two A2-300's, or one A5-300???

will the two 10" in the a2-300 beat out one A5-300 with a 500w amp and high excursion

[rnp614]

i thought i posted this but apparently not:

should i go with two A2-300's, or one A5-300???

will the two 10" in the a2-300 beat out one A5-300 with a 500w amp and high excursion

doesnt the A2-300 have the 12" driver?

[goobernoodles]

doesnt the A2-300 have the 12" driver?
Yeah. The A2-300 is a 12" driver with a 200 watt amp.

[gotchaforce]

oh i thought they screwed up the listing on the website.. alright, well then man, i really dunno what to do

edit: man elemental really needs a web team that actually updates their stuff.. its been a couple of days now and they havent edited the simple html on the subwoofers with wrong specs

[kaosmoon]

Hey guys,

My name is Ben. I come from the land of Elemental Designs. Or at least a room in the building at the moment :)

Sorry for the delay here. Things have been a wee bit busy at the shop and I just got back into town today. We've been following this thread but a lot of the questions have come through e-mail and have been answered through there.

As far as the web site goes as of Thursday most of it should be functioning properly. If you find anything that looks out of place let us know immediately at tech@edesignaudio.com. We do our web work primarily all in house between sales and tech calls. It keeps overhead down and really is a big reason we can keep pricing this low. I just skimmed over some more of it and we will continue to fix anything that may pop up and add explanations as possible.

should i go with two A2-300's, or one A5-300???

will the two 10" in the a2-300 beat out one A5-300 with a 500w amp and high excursion

Two of the A2-300's will have every advantage in output over the A5-300 possible. The only major difference is that your looking at obviously is the size of the enclosures. Cone area really is king.

If you've got enough interest in this drop me a email at bmilne@edesignaudio.com and as soon as the new box shows up for the LMS computer we'll run through some tests and give you some real data to show the comparisons between the products in room in whatever configuration your looking for. It just might take us a few days to run the tests.

Here is a picture of the A5-300 next to a A2-300. Keep in mind this is a pre-paint prototype A2-300 piece and obviously looks a little scruffy but the size is correct.

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/icixnation/images/38_831.jpg

As far as the naming structure goes.

A2 / A3 / A5 / A7 are the series.
A2 = 200w
A3 = 300w
A5 = 500w
A7 = 1000w+

Driver designations follow the size.
250 = 10"
300 = 12"

Where it gets a little tricky is the larger / off sizes.
600 = 2 12" drivers
700 = 2 15" drivers
900 = 2 18" drivers

All the measurements on the web site are listed as a in room measurement. They are not anechoic. We are working on updating the 'how' part of the measurement this week for the website. We base our car audio products FR on in car performance so we stayed to that course with the HT products measuring them in room.

I can't stress this enough but if you see something you'd like done differently we can manufacture a product specifically for you. If your looking for different drivers / different amplifiers or have some you'd already like to use. We can likely accommodate that and build it directly into the product.

We really don't mind doing custom products. We list what we feel will be the most popular ones and mix in custom requests with those orders as they come in.

I apologize for how long it took me to get this information online. If you have any specific questions please do not hesitate to drop me a e-mail at bmilne@edesignaudio.com. I'll be in production and in the warehouse helping the guys out today to keep up so it's very likely that will be the best way to get ahold of me. While we are busy it's nothing we can't handle and it's a good kind of busy. We just need to allocate people into the right places to make sure we aren't falling behind.

I also saw spikes mentioned. Spikes are on every single one of the powered subwoofer cabinets. We are working on getting more production pictures online today and tomorrow. A2-300 pics will be online today and we'll be populating the A2-250 page more as well.

Comparing the size of the A2-300 and A2-250 here are some right of paint that are in assembly / QC / QA right now that are shipping today.

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/icixnation/images/38_825.jpg

A2-250 being the one on the left. A2-300 being the one on the right. The A2-300 is obviously quite a bit larger in size but if you can fit it, the output alone is worth the extra few dollars imo.

Thanks for the opportunity to share this information with you and all the interest in our products. We're amazed with the level of openness the HT world is receiving these. It's making everyone here very excited to get the full range products shipping as well.

[rnp614]

Scheisse!! I'm going to have THAT in my little living room!???!! :D

Whooppeeee! :p

Cant wait for that A2-300 to get here. I hope my PJ arrives about the same day.

[Sdiver2489]

Hey guys,

My name is Ben. I come from the land of Elemental Designs. Or at least a room in the building at the moment :)

Sorry for the delay here. Things have been a wee bit busy at the shop and I just got back into town today. We've been following this thread but a lot of the questions have come through e-mail and have been answered through there.

As far as the web site goes as of Thursday most of it should be functioning properly. If you find anything that looks out of place let us know immediately at tech@edesignaudio.com. We do our web work primarily all in house between sales and tech calls. It keeps overhead down and really is a big reason we can keep pricing this low. I just skimmed over some more of it and we will continue to fix anything that may pop up and add explanations as possible.



Two of the A2-300's will have every advantage in output over the A5-300 possible. The only major difference is that your looking at obviously is the size of the enclosures. Cone area really is king.

If you've got enough interest in this drop me a email at bmilne@edesignaudio.com and as soon as the new box shows up for the LMS computer we'll run through some tests and give you some real data to show the comparisons between the products in room in whatever configuration your looking for. It just might take us a few days to run the tests.

Here is a picture of the A5-300 next to a A2-300. Keep in mind this is a pre-paint prototype A2-300 piece and obviously looks a little scruffy but the size is correct.

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/icixnation/images/38_831.jpg



I like the SMB3 :)

[ninefivezero]

Haha, I saw the NES game as well :p

kaosmoon, thanks for dropping by and contributing to the forum, it is always nice to see the builders answering our questions.

Any chance of boxes in different finishes instead of just the textured black? I did see the part about you don't mind doing custom work, which would always be an option, but do you plan on offering it as a stock option (ala-SVS, etc)?

[kaosmoon]

ninefive,

Models are stocked once they are listed on the website as a production item. Currently the A2-Series specifically sold about a entire months stock in about 4 days. There were a couple of A3/A5 items that shipped today that just came right out of inventory for example. That's ok. We just increase production on that model. Just takes a week or so to accomodate that and continue to expand the operation to handle the workload.

Currently in terms of speed black is the only option. The entire paint room is set up for coating items and getting them in and out of there. Other colors would be a option but aren't as appealing as a texture. A wood grain or veneer could be used as a custom request but currently isn't something we are planning to do in the immediate future. A satin black on the HT subwoofer cabinets will likely be released around the turn of the year to match the satin black finish on the towers / MTM's / bookshelf speakers.

Right now we've got so much product going into the woodshop and going directly into the paint room for the exact same finish we don't want to complicate the process before we've really begun correctly catering to demand of that product. The full range stuff isn't even shipping yet and we're keeping very busy.

The NES did come out a week ago or so :) The magical power pad managed to stay out of those pictures though!

[JEFFREY GTS]

Man, just when I thought that I had my mind set in what to buy. Very very interested in what people think of the A2-300 sub. That seems like one mean sub for only $235! Put me down for two if these things perform good.

[gotchaforce]

A satin black on the HT subwoofer cabinets will likely be released around the turn of the year to match the satin black finish on the towers / MTM's / bookshelf speakers.

Right now we've got so much product going into the woodshop and going directly into the paint room for the exact same finish we don't want to complicate the process before we've really begun correctly catering to demand of that product. The full range stuff isn't even shipping yet and we're keeping very busy.


see, just when i was about to order an A2-300 (then another once i rearrange my room so i can fit it), you guys say youre doing vinyl??

i gotta say i would dig the vinyl more than the "truckbed" texture :o

[rnp614]

see, just when i was about to order an A2-300 (then another once i rearrange my room so i can fit it), you guys say youre doing vinyl??

i gotta say i would dig the vinyl more than the "truckbed" texture :o

Yeah, Satin Black would be nice to have too but I dont think it will be worth the price premium. At the intro price of 235 I think its way too hard to pass up for me at least.

[tdamocles]

I've taken the plunge and ordered the A5-300....Right now I own a BIC H100 which is no slouch with a BFD EQ. All specs seem to be enticing....Hopes this pans out....The A5 outweighs the H100 threefold!

[gotchaforce]

Yeah, Satin Black would be nice to have too but I dont think it will be worth the price premium. At the intro price of 235 I think its way too hard to pass up for me at least.

whats the price gonna be once the vinyl comes out??? if its that much more ill have to buy two A2-300s right now!!! :D

[SightSeeker1]

There is vinyl for sale on Parts Express you all can use. That stuff is easy to put on although you would have to do some sanding of the box first to get it smooth. Maybe they would skip painting it for people.

[alexlindeman]

whats the price gonna be once the vinyl comes out??? if its that much more ill have to buy two A2-300s right now!!! :D

My name is Alex, I work for Elemental Designs.

At the current time we are very efficient at the painting process, to do the vinyl it will take more time and materials that we dont stock at this time. While I cannot quote a price on the vinyl. It will be more be more.

We probably wont do a vinyl A2-300 until a customer requests it be done.

Alex

[escaflo]

Why oh why do I have to stay in Australia where I can only see but not buy????!!
Arggh..

Is there any chance of getting this sub in Australia?

[alexlindeman]

Why oh why do I have to stay in Australia where I can only see but not buy????!!
Arggh..

Is there any chance of getting this sub in Australia?


Hop onto our website and shoot us an email.

We would be more than happy to help.

[edluv1]

I took the plunge and ordered an A2-300. The $235 price is only good until Dec 1st.

[icehawk_OS]

I know ED's rep from car audio so I expect these to be pretty good subs particularly in the price range. The A5 looks appealing to me price-wise. Didn't even know ED did home audio... would have considered them for my mains.

Can you provide some info on the amp's features (ie, does it have phase, etc) please? Any plans on a sealed box?

I'd think doing a DIY finish on these wouldn't be too hard, sounds like you could probably order it that way from ED too.

[gotchaforce]

My name is Alex, I work for Elemental Designs.

At the current time we are very efficient at the painting process, to do the vinyl it will take more time and materials that we dont stock at this time. While I cannot quote a price on the vinyl. It will be more be more.

We probably wont do a vinyl A2-300 until a customer requests it be done.

Alex

really, its not that much of a bother, as long as they shake sh!# up :D

[vitod]

Just received noticed from eD that my A2-300 is coming Nov 27...can't wait! :D

[Looneybomber]

A lot of people are dying to know more about this company's subs. You would do everyone a huge favor with a comparision. :)
I've been breaking in one of their 18's. It had some growing pains, but it's doing much better now. I believe their drivers should be good to go, though it would be nice to see how the whole package works together as compared with SVS. From what I've seen, SVS's subs don't lack deep bass extention, but do lack in headroom once the volume starts getting loud.

Could be a good fight eh?

[wje]

There is vinyl for sale on Parts Express you all can use. That stuff is easy to put on although you would have to do some sanding of the box first to get it smooth. Maybe they would skip painting it for people.
The vinyl veneer can be a pain to work with when it comes to the rounded corners. The rounded edges are easy to handle with the veneer - but, the corners. #$%!~ !!!!

[JEFFREY GTS]

So has anyone received their A2-300?

[vitod]

Should be getting mine this Monday. Fingers crossed. :rolleyes:

[goobernoodles]

Should be getting mine this Monday. Fingers crossed. :rolleyes:I'm sure you will, but let us know what you think of it ASAP. I'm planning on ordering one the second I get paid on the 30th. :D

[Echomalinois]

Can't wait to hear what people think of them. I want one just want to make sure it will be a step up.

[JEFFREY GTS]

Me too. I am way geeked up about these right now, hope I am not expecting too much from a $235 sub.

[tdamocles]

see, just when i was about to order an A2-300 (then another once i rearrange my room so i can fit it), you guys say youre doing vinyl??

i gotta say i would dig the vinyl more than the "truckbed" texture :o


Enough of the talk.....Go for it! Think quickly....Act swiftly!

[vitod]

Latest news and check out their prototype ported monster! :eek:
http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/ednews/home/blog.php?id=41

[steve nn]

After sitting down and crunching a few numbers between the single and dual driver A7---A5 offerings, I'm impressed with what I see initially anyway. These are rough calculations, but the dual 12" driver A7 comes in at around 8 cubes versus the 3 cube single driver A5 while retaining the same tune. The power supply doubles from the A5 to the A7 also. This in itself is a good thing when considering a dual driver option over it's counterpart single driver option. I guess what I'm trying to convey is if a guy plans on collocating, the A7 doesn't seem to be held back with going with a higher tune, less proportionate watts and of course the all important consideration of enclosure size. It's a good thing!..that's a very straight forward aproach that could translate out to a 6dB gain in headroom.

Did I see a dual 15" and 18" option being slated? Criminy!.. if I were in the market, or not into DIY, this would definitely be worth taking a look at. Heck for that matter as competitive as pricing is getting, it seems as though the $??ish range and below becoming all the more attractive.
Latest news and check out their prototype ported monster!
EDIT> Take a look at the baffle Vito, it appears to be three layered 3/4.

[wje]

EDIT> Take a look at the baffle Vito, it appears to be three layered 3/4.
I guess they call that an "excursion buffer". :D

[TR013]

I don't mean to hijack this thread...
But I am a noobie to HT. I just purchaced and Sony A2000 TV, and bought 4 Mirage omnistas on close out online for about $79 each along with a omni v2 CC.
And after reading through this thread I am impressed with the positive feedback so far, but have no idea what the spec# mean. So I am wondering will this sub work well with my speaker choices in a room that is 16 x19 (the ceiling vaults from 8 to 12ft).
Also system will be used HT 80% music 20%. I dont even have a AV receiver yet but I'm leaning to the Elite vsx80txv.
Thank in advance for any help

[gotchaforce]

alright i emailed em for a frequency response from two A2-300s and they aint responding, gonna try again... but i think i might just have to dive head first into this deal and pick two up (even though i have NO ROOM!)

[bamafamily]

Man!!! Just when my old Velo FSR12 is on its last legs...
Was gonna just get it fixed, but someone pointed me here...
I am assuming that the A2-300 would handle 2400 cu ft with 3 room leakage??
Looking at 95% HT use

Wonder what the backlog is looking like??? Was looking at the PB10NSD, but for $192 less and a 12" vs 10" driver. (although a 200W vs 300W amp)....no reviews on the ED yet but the SVS's established reputation gives it a nod there..

tough one.....

[wje]

alright i emailed em for a frequency response from two A2-300s and they aint responding, gonna try again... but i think i might just have to dive head first into this deal and pick two up (even though i have NO ROOM!)
I thought I did read somewhere that they were closing down for two days due to the holiday. Plus, I imagine that they're cutting MDF like there's no tomorrow as they get established.

[gotchaforce]

I thought I did read somewhere that they were closing down for two days due to the holiday. Plus, I imagine that they're cutting MDF like there's no tomorrow as they get established.

i emailed them last weekend asking a couple of questions and for a FR chart and they replied back, but they just answered my questions.. im not sure if they do not have the equipment to measure it or whats happening

[vitod]

Did everyone has a good Thanksgiving?

I understand the worry many have about these subs. I'm one of them. :rolleyes: But I look at it this way: IMO, a company that has an impeccable rep in car audio, yes I know, car audio, is not going to throw a low performing piece of junk in order to make an impact in the HT world. That's suicide! Make sense?
Someone has to be first to get these subs. Someone. Also, we're not breaking the bank either. For $270 shipped, we're getting a proven driver in a well built box. SVS, HSU, etc, all started the same way. Someone HAD to get these subs first. Correct? And no, I have no affiliation with eD or being paid in any way. I'm an adverage joe like anyone else with a great love in HT trying to make this as logical as possible. Anyway, I'm getting mine Monday

[bamafamily]

I wonder what the backlog/leadtime is on the A2-300??
I would jump on one right this second, but not if I have to wait 4 weeks to get it..
(just cant do without a sub that long) ;-)

[vitod]

It took me 1 week from time of order to confirmed shipment. That's pretty fast from builidng a box from scratch. Why not contact them and get an idea?

[bamafamily]

It took me 1 week from time of order to confirmed shipment. That's pretty fast from builidng a box from scratch. Why not contact them and get an idea?

Thats pretty good I guess..LOL I am used to in stock items...
I am just hesitant to pull the trigger without some independent reviews..
I know your getting yours on Monday....Can I hold out??? hmmm

BTW..what method of shipment are they using?? UPS ground??thx
Mark

[vitod]

You said you can't wait too long for a sub but you'll wait till I give my review? By the time I set it up and find the placement, it may take weeks. Why not just go for it and get the sub soon? :rolleyes: Even the most incredible subs have pros and cons. What sub do you have now that's making you so worried to get the eD? :confused:

[bamafamily]

You said you can't wait too long for a sub but you'll wait till I give my review? By the time I set it up and find the placement, it may take weeks. Why not just go for it and get the sub soon? :rolleyes: Even the most incredible subs have pros and cons. What sub do you have now that's making you so worried to get the eD? :confused:

ahh..you make a good point...
My Velodyne FSR12 has given up the ghost..
I would like another sub quickly, but knowing I will have the new sub for at least 3 years and most likely longer, I want to make the right choice upfront...
I guess I can always resell it if it dosen't work out....

thx for the input....
M

[wje]

It took me 1 week from time of order to confirmed shipment. That's pretty fast from builidng a box from scratch. Why not contact them and get an idea?
I thought I read somewhere that it was a 10-day process from the time of ordering until the order ships.

[bamafamily]

I thought I read somewhere that it was a 10-day process from the time of ordering until the order ships.

Yeah..just didnt know if that still held true with all the orderes they are probably getting......

[vitod]

I thought I read somewhere that it was a 10-day process from the time of ordering until the order ships.

I ordered on 11/14 and shipped on 11/21, at my door 11/27. :D

[JEFFREY GTS]

I ordered on 11/14 and shipped on 11/21, at my door 11/27. :D


Okay then, expecting a review from you on the 27th! :)

[vitod]

Read post #130. ;)

Here's a better look of the 13k.v2 driver. Ebay # 5864350345

[vitod]

Side note: eD has a 3 year warranty on these subs. :D

[bamafamily]

With a downfiring sub, do I still need to orient like a front firing sub??
i.e. my current Velo is in a corner and points outward at a 45' angle.
The A3-200 is bigger, and I wondered if I had to point it out that way as well...
(WAF coming into play)
Thinking of trying to relocate closer to my HT setup instead of 15' away in the corner...
Guess I will have to re-situate and see where it sounds the best..
thx
Mark

[vitod]

With a downfiring sub, do I still need to orient like a front firing sub??
i.e. my current Velo is in a corner and points outward at a 45' angle.
The A3-200 is bigger, and I wondered if I had to point it out that way as well...
(WAF coming into play)
Thinking of trying to relocate closer to my HT setup instead of 15' away in the corner...
Guess I will have to re-situate and see where it sounds the best..
thx
Mark

Yes, you have to play with location.

[stereojunkie]

3 year warranty plus a I think a 30 day trial period.

[gotchaforce]

vitod did you get your sub!?!?! pics and reviews and such!!!! :) :)

[gotchaforce]

alright guys i think im goin for the A5-300, just dont got the room for two A2-300s!

[Pinstripe]

^

Stack them!

[erider99]

Anyone know if these power supplies have an auto mode for power? It seems like a good feature to me and I see it on the HSU subs for example.

[dabu]

Now Im all excited / on the eD bandwagon.

So it seems there is an advantage to going with dual subs, especially when they are so inexpensive! My room is huge, 30 x 30 x 13ft. Would I be better off with 2 higher powered 10 inchers, or 2 lower powered 12s?

My preference would be to keep the bass in the room as much as possible for the sake of my neighbors, if that makes a difference.

Also, is driving 2 subs off a single LFE port a big deal? Do I just split the signal out to the 2 subs from my reciever (onkyo 674)?

cheers

dabu

[JEFFREY GTS]

Now Im all excited / on the eD bandwagon.

So it seems there is an advantage to going with dual subs, especially when they are so inexpensive! My room is huge, 30 x 30 x 13ft. Would I be better off with 2 higher powered 10 inchers, or 2 lower powered 12s?

My preference would be to keep the bass in the room as much as possible for the sake of my neighbors, if that makes a difference.

Also, is driving 2 subs off a single LFE port a big deal? Do I just split the signal out to the 2 subs from my reciever (onkyo 674)?

cheers

dabu

I am going with two 12's. At $235 a piece it is a no brainer. I think the 10's are $200 a piece. Worth the extra money for more cone area and a larger box and with you having that big of a room, the bigger the woofer and the box the better.

And yes, it is real simple just get a y splitter cable plug it in to the back of your receiver and send one line to one sub and one to the other.

[TJEli]

Does anyone have one in their possesion yet? I am looking forward to some pics and reviews.

-Eli

[JEFFREY GTS]

Does anyone have one in their possesion yet? I am looking forward to some pics and reviews.

-Eli

I second that, I am waiting in anticipation to see pics and read some reviews. I am ordering a sub this week and am very interested in this specific sub.

[tdamocles]

I ordered on 11/14 and shipped on 11/21, at my door 11/27. :D


How's the sub vitod? How is it performing?

[goobernoodles]

Patience.

However, I have to admit - I've been checking this thread the entire day. ...as I'm sure a lot of others are as well.

[Replacement]

Patience.

However, I have to admit - I've been checking this thread the entire day. ...as I'm sure a lot of others are as well.


Same here.
All I need is a good review and I'll be putting my order in to them :D

[JEFFREY GTS]

Patience.

However, I have to admit - I've been checking this thread the entire day. ...as I'm sure a lot of others are as well.

You know us home theater junkies. Not very patient. We want to know about the newest thing right away.

[ninefivezero]

Hey, I'm a music junkie, and I'm checking this thread every day too ;)

[JEFFREY GTS]

Hey, I'm a music junkie, and I'm checking this thread every day too ;)

Oh yeah. And those people too. Sorry, didn't mean to discriminate. :rolleyes:

[stereojunkie]

Did someone call for me.....oh my mistake that was a call for music junkie :)
Vitod, was anticipating arrival on one of these today, he will have to post some intial thoughts, many of us have been eyeing this thread real close. I remember when svs got started, their subs were tossed around on the forums and the rest was history, I hope the same thing is true for ED.

[jvgillow]

Besides we forum posters love the fact that ED requires one less keystroke than HSU or SVS to type :D

[tdamocles]

The drama...the suspense.........Drum roll please......

[Geoff L]

Information that some might be curious about regarding the Plate Amps used and their feature sets, along with the ED "based" HT-drivers used.

Amps now used:
http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=29783
These Plate Amps (I belive) can be purchased for ones own DIY project/s also.

HT-Sub Driver/s
http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22972
These ED-drivers "cannot be purchased" for DIY use.

Head up:
If something has changed further with the plate amps or the HT-drivers, at least to my knowledge it has not been posted or updated anywhere at ED's website, or their forum that I've seen.

A few more home sub models ~{such as what this thread is about}~ have been introduced.

Regards ¥

[blueenergy]

I have been trying to get clarification from eD on the actual specs for the A2-300. There is quite a big typo on the construction of the A2 series boxes. The product page (http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?cPath=2_41&products_id=407) describes bracing and double walls but that is for the A3 series and up.

Here is the reply that I got in an email.

While the internal volume is identical, the A2-300 has only single thickness walls with a triple thickness bottom, and no internal bracing.
This is why the A2-300 is cheaper.

Also I did find one happy new owner of a A2-250 (http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=31636) on eD forum.

[JEFFREY GTS]

Still nothing?

[alexlindeman]

We shipped out quite a few yesterday, and will be shipping out quite a few today as well.

Its really neat seeing these things come together, and go out the door. I really cant wait for some reviews to come in.

[Replacement]

I couldn't wait any longer, today at 12:30pm I placed an order for the A2-300 :D . I asked them how long it will take to get the Minneapolis, MN and they said I should have it 2 weeks from now (I went with ground shipping). The total with shipping was $260.xx.

I can't wait.
Now lets see some reviews for those that have one already!

Eric

[gooddog768]

I just emailed eD about what kind of dampening material they use in the A2-300 enclosure and their response was that they don't use any.

The a2-300 does not use any form of dampening materials. If you are interested in adding some type of material, we would be happy to accommodate.


Don't most subwoofers in this price range and up use some form of dampening material? I found some pictures of the H100 and it looks to be lined with fiberglass.

[vitod]

I received mine and would you know it, I don't have my camera. But I can say that priliminary resultes are good. Nice deep rumble bass and loud. The driver extends really nice without any distortion at 15mm Xmax. It's doing a great job. ;^)

[JEFFREY GTS]

I received mine and would you know it, I don't have my camera. But I can say that priliminary resultes are good. Nice deep rumble bass and loud. The driver extends really nice without any distortion at 15mm Xmax. It's doing a great job. ;^)

Can't wait for a more in depth review.

[XylerB]

I think he means, "cant wait for a more in depth review, So please do it now!"

[Echomalinois]

So does it extend bellow 20hz?

[Replacement]

I just emailed eD about what kind of dampening material they use in the A2-300 enclosure and their response was that they don't use any.

The a2-300 does not use any form of dampening materials. If you are interested in adding some type of material, we would be happy to accommodate.

Don't most sub woofers in this price range and up use some form of dampening material? I found some pictures of the H100 and it looks to be lined with fiberglass.


I am kind of a noob and have a few questions.

Should I be asking for this to be done to mine?
What will this do for SQ?
If it is fiberglass and a ported box won't the fiberglass particles float out of the box and go into the room? If so that can't be good to breathe.
Also should I be doing some internal bracing the sub box when it comes home?

Eric

[Willd]

What will this do for SQ?

Most likely the difference would be minute or unnoticeable.

it is fiberglass and a ported box won't the fiberglass particles float out of the box and go into the room? If so that can't be good to breathe.

No.

[vitod]

I am kind of a noob and have a few questions.

Should I be asking for this to be done to mine?
What will this do for SQ?
If it is fiberglass and a ported box won't the fiberglass particles float out of the box and go into the room? If so that can't be good to breathe.
Also should I be doing some internal bracing the sub box when it comes home?

Eric

You have much better chance of getting lung cancer by everyday air than fiberglass exposure. You'll be a PowerBall winner before fiberglass. :D

UPDATE: I put in a 30 and 20hz sine wave and I'm happy to say that this thing is impressive! The driver is flying like a mad dog but no bottoming. I put the crossover on 80hz at half power. Very nice! ;) SQ is still deep and fills MY room. Please remember, these results are based of my placement and room response. Very happy so far. I'll be trying, with caution, below 20hz soon.

[Highside]

Well hurry up and give us the rest of the scoop. :D :D

Quit yackin on the PC and get to the LOW LOW stuff and report back.... :p :p :D

Rob

[vitod]

Well hurry up and give us the rest of the scoop. :D :D

Quit yackin on the PC and get to the LOW LOW stuff and report back.... :p :p :D

Rob

Your funny. ;)

One major gripe is the finish. It's a bumpy, truck lining texture. Wish it were vinyl. I'll take pics ASAP.

[XylerB]

I decided to go all out and pick up 5 of their 5T5 speakers and a A2-300. Total was 667.00 shipped, the sub ended up being 199.99! because you get 15% off for HT packages. My plan is that once I get a new 7.1 receiver ill pickup a 2.1 system comprising of a pair of their towers and a 2nd sub.

[Darin]

Don't most subwoofers in this price range and up use some form of dampening material?
Perhaps, but personally I think the value of it is limited with a ported sub. That stuff is acoustically transparent at the frequencies we're dealing with here. I did use it on the last sub I built, but honestly, I felt like it was likely wasted effort the entire time I was doing it. Stuffing, like you'd do with a sealed box, is an entirely different subject. But I really doubt you'd miss the lining in a ported box. In fact, I've seen suggestions against it, though I've also seen proponents of it.

[bamafamily]

Well..I could not wait either, so I went with the tried and true SVS PB10...

Good luck to all of you on your new box.....

Mark

[tdamocles]

You have much better chance of getting lung cancer by everyday air than fiberglass exposure. You'll be a PowerBall winner before fiberglass. :D

UPDATE: I put in a 30 and 20hz sine wave and I'm happy to say that this thing is impressive! The driver is flying like a mad dog but no bottoming. I put the crossover on 80hz at half power. Very nice! ;) SQ is still deep and fills MY room. Please remember, these results are based of my placement and room response. Very happy so far. I'll be trying, with caution, below 20hz soon.


Can it reach lower than 20hz? How big is your room and is it placed in a corner?

[mikeinnj]

Here's some good production shots of the sub to keep us entertained until the reviews...

http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/ednews/home/blog.php?id=43

I actually like the coating since I may use it as sort of an end table next to my recliner and bed. The extra protection is nice since I know I won't have to worry about putting drinks and crap on it and leaving a ring. The finish is very rugged looking and functional. As long as it does not affect SQ, I'm all for it!

[goobernoodles]

Here's some good production shots of the sub to keep us entertained until the reviews...

http://edesignaudio.com/edv2/ednews/home/blog.php?id=43

I actually like the coating since I may use it as sort of an end table next to my recliner and bed. The extra protection is nice since I know I won't have to worry about putting drinks and crap on it and leaving a ring. The finish is very rugged looking and functional. As long as it does not affect SQ, I'm all for it!Thanks.

Yeah, I also am fine with the finish. I tend to get my things a bit dirty..

[TR013]

Just got confirmation from ED, that my a-250 sub was shipped and should arrive by 12/4. This is the first sub I ever purchased but for the price I figured I'd give it a shot. I'm kinda questioning wherther I should have just went with the A2-300 already but the dimensions of the 300 had me worried about the WAF. Anyway...I'm pairing this sub up with 4 Omnistat in a family room and don't really need to rock the house.
My question(s) to the more knowledgable people on this board is, putting this sub in a 16 x19 room with a full brick fireplace on one wall with a big picture window on another and a half wall opening into the kitchen, will this sub get lost or what kind of performace to expect with Brickwalls and windows and openings? Do the soundwaves reflect off brick? dissapte through windows, get lost with the opening to the kitchen. I am thinking of placing the sub behind the TV which happens to be in the corner against the fireplace.

[Highside]

I have been in contact with Ben from Elemental and he gave the OK to mention our discussion but I'm not sure if I would be breaking forum rules by showing some upcoming deals that ED will offer AVS only members after our discussions today.

The folks at Elemental appear to really want to work with the Home Theater crowd and are willing to work some "magic" to get the name "Elemental Designs" out to the public.

If you want the bulk of the E-Mail correspondence, them PM me for it.

Moderators, If this post is against forum rules/guidelines then feel free to edit or delete it.

Rob

EDIT: I should mention that I have zero affiliation with these guys as well as live 1500 mile from there shop. (I own a measley Polk Audio PSW-10 right now and want to upgrade like the rest of you)

[Highside]

I should also ask that the PM that I may send to anyone not just be sent around randomly.

The correspondance that I had with ED went very well and I wouldn't want to mess that up with rumors and such flying around.

Thanks All

[XylerB]

Was just talking to an eD tech, hows this for scary.... A7-900 will be 45" deep x 26" wide x 22.5" tall + 2" for the spikes. Thats dual 18" subs I believe 1k watts.

[jvgillow]

The eD forums say the A7-700 model will be around $1500 delivered, any idea what the cost for that A7-900 beast is going to be?

[XylerB]

Dont quote me on this, but I couldnt see it being more than a 300-400 hundred more? I wonder if they could offer this with 2 1k watt amps, 1 for each sub :P That of course would be a tiny bit more hahaha.

but then again, the tech told me they use a A7-700 and it filled their 10k sq. ft warehouse with bass pretty nicely. Cant imagine that or something even bigger in a house...

[Highside]

Since I have been literally slammed with PMs (more today than I've received in 6 mo.) I will let everyone know that the upcoming "gossip" so to speak is that ED will not neccesarily be giving any better deals than they are now. :(

What has been discussed is expanding the discount to other items. It won't be as much, but it will allow those of us that wanted something other that the A2 to give it a go.

Hopefully those that are on the fence (myself included) will get off and run to the bank. If they go through with it, I bet some on here will be very surprised.

Wait till Monday and we'll see what comes up......

Rob

VITOD: Where's that review?????????? :eek:

[gotchaforce]

Alright i gotta make up my decision within 24 hours..

HSU STF3 w/ max extension feature VS eD A5-300

dont worry about the price difference all im worried about is which one sound better, cuz i honestly dont know :(

[conqur]

i'm waiting on a review form an owner of the a2-300. i'm selling my poilk psw10 sub to a friend so i can get the a2-300 after chrsitmas. so hurry with that review.

[vitod]

Can it reach lower than 20hz? How big is your room and is it placed in a corner?

I haven't done any below 20hz yet and it's not on a corner. This sub is currently mid wall. But so far very impressive. The next time I'm going to test a corner.

[vitod]

i'm waiting on a review form an owner of the a2-300. i'm selling my poilk psw10 sub to a friend so i can get the a2-300 after chrsitmas. so hurry with that review.

Go to page 6 and find my quick review.

[afviper]

Vitod, do you have any other subwoofers you could compare the A2-300 to? Also, did you notice any decrease in sound between 30Hz, and 20Hz?

[JEFFREY GTS]

Go to page 6 and find my quick review.

Lets get a more in depth review. Accuracy,is it tight, is it boomy, is it clean, does it play all differnt types of music and notes, does it play fast, does it bottom out, does it distort, is there any port noise, does it play loud and with authority?
I am very interested in how this sub performs as I have about $600 to play with right now for a sub purchase and would buy two of them.

[JEFFREY GTS]

Does ED have a return policy?

[goobernoodles]

Well, I'm gave eD the benifit of the doubt and ordered an a2-300 today.

Can't wait. :D

[Chris Schempp]

Does ED have a return policy?

We do have a 30 day return policy from the day the item is received.

[JEFFREY GTS]

We do have a 30 day return policy from the day the item is received.

I see a sub faceoff in my near future. :)

[SightSeeker1]

Not if someone doesn't say anything about it besides it's impressive. :) I don't even want one but I keep checking the thread to see if this thing is any good.

Lets hear some dB readings at 50, 40, 30, 20, 18, 15Hz!!!!

[JEFFREY GTS]

Not if someone doesn't say anything about it besides it's impressive. :) I don't even want one but I keep checking the thread to see if this thing is any good.

Lets hear some dB readings at 50, 40, 30, 20, 18, 15Hz!!!!

I actually have two PA subs coming in either tomorrow or Monday. I am going to purchase an ED as well and compare the two.

And yes, some db numbers would be nice.

[rnp614]

Not if someone doesn't say anything about it besides it's impressive. :) I don't even want one but I keep checking the thread to see if this thing is any good.

Lets hear some dB readings at 50, 40, 30, 20, 18, 15Hz!!!!

AGREED!

[cschang]

Lets get a more in depth review. Accuracy,is it tight, is it boomy, is it clean, does it play all differnt types of music and notes, does it play fast, does it bottom out, does it distort, is there any port noise, does it play loud and with authority?
I am very interested in how this sub performs as I have about $600 to play with right now for a sub purchase and would buy two of them.
Also include other subs you have heard in the same space.

[XylerB]

Well Vitod mentioned before that he has 2 SVS subs and has owned various other subs over the course of many years. He is also the one thats stating that its "very impressive" so far. However, he hasnt stated that by "very impressive" that it out performs the other subs. What is everyone wanting to hear? I you wanting to here DB measurements from a RTA 1 meter in front of the port or what? Maybe eD can arrange something?

[JEFFREY GTS]

However, he hasnt stated that by "very impressive" that it out performs the other subs. What is everyone wanting to hear?

This is what I am wanting to hear about. Lets get a more in depth review. Accuracy,is it tight, is it boomy, is it clean, does it play all differnt types of music and notes, does it play fast, does it bottom out, does it distort, is there any port noise, does it play loud and with authority?
I am very interested in how this sub performs as I have about $600 to play with right now for a sub purchase and would buy two of them.

[vitod]

This is what I am wanting to hear about. Lets get a more in depth review. Accuracy,is it tight, is it boomy, is it clean, does it play all differnt types of music and notes, does it play fast, does it bottom out, does it distort, is there any port noise, does it play loud and with authority?
I am very interested in how this sub performs as I have about $600 to play with right now for a sub purchase and would buy two of them.

Jeff, you posted the same statement twice. :rolleyes:

Everybody, I'm not a super tech wizard with all these measuring tools to give an intense review. That stuff belongs to Craig. I'm a adverage guy with a love for HT. I just got this thing only 3 days ago and some are not satisfied with the brief review I posted. Was it better if I had said nothing at all? So far I like what I see and hear. I still have to play with various locations, movies, music, sine waves below 20hz, etc. Some here just what instant answers without contributing anything themselves except criticism. If your not happy, then buy one and give us YOUR review! I'd love to see YOUR thoughts!

[vitod]

Well Vitod mentioned before that he has 2 SVS subs and has owned various other subs over the course of many years. He is also the one thats stating that its "very impressive" so far. However, he hasnt stated that by "very impressive" that it out performs the other subs. What is everyone wanting to hear? I you wanting to here DB measurements from a RTA 1 meter in front of the port or what? Maybe eD can arrange something?

Finally, someone with a sense of reason. :cool:

[Highside]

Hey vitod,

Can we get Frequency..........awh never mind :D :D

What I would really like is your take on the "Monster Truck" finish. Is it as rough as a true truck bed liner or are we seeing an optical illusion and its not all that rough.

SVS uses something similar and their's is relatively smooth.

What can ya share :rolleyes:

Rob

[mynym]

It appears the black 130v.2's have no dust cap where as the silvers do.

Is there any sonic differences between the two?

What color is everyone getting?

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/gallery/228_large.jpg

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/gallery/61_large.jpg

[athos56]

Thought I'd give it a try, I got the silver. I live on a bottom floor apt, I'm hoping I rock the people above me :) . I'm waiting on my Onkyo 804 reciever and Polk CS2 center channel and this sub to complete my system :D :D

[Replacement]

"I'm waiting on my Onkyo 804 reciever"
I have the 803 with Klipsch reference speakers with an old weak sub, hopefully this sub will perform well with my setup. I'm sure you'll like the 804.


I went with black with the logo.

[afviper]

I went with the black cone, I think it looks a lot better than the silver. But, its not like its going to be visible in a downfiring sub, especially when the driver is recessed into the cabinet like these are.

[alexlindeman]

It appears the black 130v.2's have no dust cap where as the silvers do.

Is there any sonic differences between the two?

What color is everyone getting?




The speakers perform the same way. T/S parameters are no different. The moving mass is the same between the two.

[bittermelon]

This thread has the same feeling as a bunch of boys standing on a ledge. Everyone thinks it's cool to jump in, but no one is willing to go first. Once one goes and doesn't hit his head on a rock, then they all jump in. I ordered one today and I'll post frequency response charts. My current sub that I'll be comparing it to is an Athena P4000. I have a BFD so I'll try and post how it works raw and what I can manage with the BFD. It's coming up to Canada, so don't expect graphs next week. Mail by sled takes longer than that. Long time lurker, lifetime cheapskate, too good of a deal to pass up. I was saving my pennies for an SVS PB10, but this looks close on paper, but we'll see when it arrives. I'm primarily interested in it's performance with movies so I'll run the usual bass freaks tracks. (U571 depth charge, Finding Nemo tapping the tank, WOTW, etc).

[rnp614]

mine will be coming on monday but I wont have any measurements for you guys. No SPL meter here guys. Sorry! :D

[Willd]

Thanks bittermelon - your P4000 should be a good sub for comparison.

Which model did you order, specifically?

[Minjin]

Everyone is on edge waiting for a good review because the price jumps $65 after tomorrow. I know to alot of people on this forum, $65 is nothing, but to some, that amount makes or breaks a deal. But its only a deal if the product is worth it...

[tdamocles]

I received the A5-300 yesterday and did some comparsions with my H100. Both stacked in a corner, A5 on bottom. The graphs look so similar. I haven't really listened to all sorts of sources yet but I'm kinda lost with the results..... This is the H100 I paid $120 for.....

[gotchaforce]

I received the A5-300 yesterday and did some comparsions with my H100. Both stacked in a corner, A5 on bottom. The graphs look so similar. I haven't really listened to all sorts of sources yet but I'm kinda lost with the results..... This is the H100 I paid $120 for.....

:eek:

this cannot be right..

[XylerB]

What are you gains set too? Its totally possible to end up with very similiar curves, however the bass may not have that same punch, snap, etc.

[tdamocles]

What are you gains set too? Its totally possible to end up with very similiar curves, however the bass may not have that same punch, snap, etc.

I know the A5 takes less gain but at this time I cannot see where it is at since it is facing the wall. The H100 is a little less than half gain. I haven't listened to a variety of stuff yet to make detailed likes or dislikes. The only way I can get to 18-24hz at a respectable level is if I EQ the piss out of the frequency response. Actually I EQ'd both the H100 and eD the same so both reach to about 18hz. I hope we see more responses over the next few days with other owners.

[tdamocles]

:eek:

this cannot be right..

I think it is correct in my listening area. Checked it almost a dozen times. I'm wondering if it is room acoustics affecting both subs the same way? It is 9db less at 20hz than it is at 25hz. The only way to hear that is to have it blasting at 110dbs.

[rnp614]

I think it is correct in my listening area. Checked it almost a dozen times. I'm wondering if it is room acoustics affecting both subs the same way? It is 9db less at 20hz than it is at 25hz. The only way to hear that is to have it blasting at 110dbs.

Makes me wonder what kind of freaking room ED uses for their website measurements.

[Willd]

Makes me wonder what kind of freaking room ED uses for their website measurements.

In ED's defense, tdamocles' room should not be considered fully representative of the general in-room FR capability of these subs.

His room will be different from pretty much everyone else's.

[rnp614]

In ED's defense, tdamocles' room should not be considered fully representative of the general in-room FR capability of these subs.

His room will be different from pretty much everyone else's.

Yeah, until I hear my sub for myself, maybe I should flip my statement and say what the heck kinda room is this guy tdamocles living in!!! :D :p

[tdamocles]

In ED's defense, tdamocles' room should not be considered fully representative of the general in-room FR capability of these subs.

His room will be different from pretty much everyone else's.

You are probably correct but I did expect a little more low end out of the eD. It's hard to write this...the sub is built very well....sturdy, heavy.

[mikeinnj]

Also, don't forget to allow for a good break in period! :)
Any pics of the new A5?

[Replacement]

Also, don't forget to allow for a good break in period! :)


I asked them about breaking the sub in and this is what they said,
"There really isn't a break-in period necessary as all drivers are driven to xmax during QC"

[tdamocles]

Here is a disgusting sketch of the room.....

[gotchaforce]

Makes me wonder what kind of freaking room ED uses for their website measurements.

they say its 14' x 16'...

my room is 14' x 19'... hooboy i think i might be ordering the hsu tomorrow

[primetimeguy]

Here is a disgusting sketch of the room.....

Any port noise during your testing or listening?

[TJEli]

Here is a disgusting sketch of the room.....

Measure the response in you hallway.

-Eli

[vitod]

Hey vitod,

Can we get Frequency..........awh never mind :D :D

What I would really like is your take on the "Monster Truck" finish. Is it as rough as a true truck bed liner or are we seeing an optical illusion and its not all that rough.

SVS uses something similar and their's is relatively smooth.

What can ya share :rolleyes:

Rob

Hey Rob, it's on the rough side. You can't "push" the sub on carpet to other locations easily.
I'm so pissed that I don't have my camera! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[vitod]

Any port noise during your testing or listening?

My sample has a clanking sound around the amp. And no, I'm not bottoming the driver.

[athos56]

That doesn't sound good :(

[David James]

Any port noise during your testing or listening?
What does port noise sound like?

[Bailey151]

What does port noise sound like?
chuff.....chuff....chuff

Kind of a woofing noise from the port.

[Replacement]

I hope I don't regret my purchase... :(

[JEFFREY GTS]

You are probably correct but I did expect a little more low end out of the eD. It's hard to write this...the sub is built very well....sturdy, heavy.

What do you mean by it is very hard to write this?
Are you saying that you are not that impressed with it?

[vitod]

Guy's, let's not get crazy. I want to add that the sub is on it's side showing the driver. That may be the reason. Again, the sub is doing a great job so far. No port noise. And please, don't regret your purchase. You'll be happy.

[Replacement]

Guy's, let's not get crazy. I want to add that the sub is on it's side showing the driver. That may be the reason. Again, the sub is doing a great job so far. No port noise. And please, don't regret your purchase. You'll be happy.

I'll try to settle down, this wait is killing me :)


(Anyone see the South Park where Cartman is waiting for the Wii? I'm feeling the same way :rolleyes: .)

[JayDey]

I was thinking about purchasing one but I wish one of the professional guys reviewed the A2 300 with proper room & equipments. Till then I'll hold off my purchase. Or should I go with something already TriednTrue like HSU or SVS pb10.

[vitod]

Ok, I have a little case of amp vibration. I placed the sub woofer down, it's gone.

[David James]

I was thinking about purchasing one but I wish one of the professional guys reviewed the A2 300 with proper room & equipments. Till then I'll hold off my purchase. Or should I go with something already TriednTrue like HSU or SVS pb10.
Depends on your timeframe. I'm sure we will see lots of reviews of these subs over the next few months. Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't imagine buying one of these blind. If you have time, keeping watching and I'm sure you'll start seeing reviews. If you aren't able to wait, SVS and HSU are great companies with great products.

[Highside]

I think it is correct in my listening area. Checked it almost a dozen times. I'm wondering if it is room acoustics affecting both subs the same way? It is 9db less at 20hz than it is at 25hz. The only way to hear that is to have it blasting at 110dbs.


Have you tried moving the sub around the room. It may not like being put in the corner with another sub staked on it.

Try the crawling method (or just putting the sub in different locations) and see if it sound better, by ear, then re-run your tests with both subs. Not stacked.

Your graph shows a lot of dips/nulls so my thinking is that/those sub(s) don't like where they are at.

Rob

[wje]

Depends on your timeframe. I'm sure we will see lots of reviews of these subs over the next few months. Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't imagine buying one of these b