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confidenceman 11-04-07, 10:52 AM I'm trying to play DIABLO (the PS1 game) on the PS3 80g and a 52xbr4. The PS3 is on HDMI 1 and I've set a PS2 on the S video connection to the 52xbr4. The game stalls on both machines at the same spot? I ran the PS2 to a regular tv and the game ran fine.
I put the game on another PS3 60g and a 46xbr3 and the game ran flawlessly.
The 52xbr4 seems to be the common problem, are there settings I should change?Much more likely the game disc than your TV. You could try hooking up your PS2 or PS3 to a different TV to be sure.
Edit: Oops. Just re-read your post. I still think it's probably your disc, though. Check for scratches. Clean it as best you can. Older discs can be really finicky. My PS1 copy of FF8 is finicky in the same way.
confidenceman 11-04-07, 11:29 AM I am uing an HDMI/DVI cable fine for upconversion of SD DVD's and for the 720P games. I use component for BD and the 1080i games perfectly.
I have a problem - when setting the RGB to "full" rather than limited I get a green glow around bright areas, moreso prevalent when the bright area is beside a dark area. It is unwatchable. When using limited, I lose a lot of colour depth and the picture is a little washed out, but better than watching upconverted content at 480P.
Any suggestions?I'm somewhat confused by your question. Is the problem occuring for your upconverted content (over HDMI-to-DVI)? Also, your DVI connection should be able to give you all the resolutions you want (720p/1080i), so I'm not sure why you're using component (an audio issue?).
It's possible that your TV (if it's older) is having problems with HDCP compliance. This can affect DVI connectibility.
In any event, the difference between the RGB settings (full/limited) doesn't affect your resolution, only color range. So I'm not sure what the "content at 480p" refers to in your post.
dutchca 11-05-07, 10:15 PM I'm somewhat confused by your question. Is the problem occuring for your upconverted content (over HDMI-to-DVI)? Also, your DVI connection should be able to give you all the resolutions you want (720p/1080i), so I'm not sure why you're using component (an audio issue?).
It's possible that your TV (if it's older) is having problems with HDCP compliance. This can affect DVI connectibility.
In any event, the difference between the RGB settings (full/limited) doesn't affect your resolution, only color range. So I'm not sure what the "content at 480p" refers to in your post.
The problem occurs with all content sent through the DVI/HDMI cable with RGB set to full. For me this is mostly upconverted DVD's and 720P games.
I use component with Blu-Ray and 1080i games as that input is calibrated and I don't have the issue with setting RGB to full or limited as that is not an option over component. My colours are more vibrant and contrast is better over component. That is why I use it, rather than the DVI/HDMI route.
I have also tried a second DVI/HDMI cable and the issue persits, so I know it is either the PS3, or the input on the TV. Most likely the latter.
It's not an HDCP issue, but good thought.
I see your point about the resolutions, but I just use a properly calibrated input for different material. I must use HDMI/DVI for upconverted material as the component route goes only as high as 480P with SD DVD's and PS3 games encoded with only 720P. I use component for Blu-Ray (1080i) and for the PS3 games that support 1080i and have no problems with the green hue.
Hopefully that clears things up.
Any further suggestions?
splinters 11-06-07, 04:07 PM The problem occurs with all content sent through the DVI/HDMI cable with RGB set to full. For me this is mostly upconverted DVD's and 720P games.
I use component with Blu-Ray and 1080i games as that input is calibrated and I don't have the issue with setting RGB to full or limited as that is not an option over component. My colours are more vibrant and contrast is better over component. That is why I use it, rather than the DVI/HDMI route.
I have also tried a second DVI/HDMI cable and the issue persits, so I know it is either the PS3, or the input on the TV. Most likely the latter.
It's not an HDCP issue, but good thought.
I see your point about the resolutions, but I just use a properly calibrated input for different material. I must use HDMI/DVI for upconverted material as the component route goes only as high as 480P with SD DVD's and PS3 games encoded with only 720P. I use component for Blu-Ray (1080i) and for the PS3 games that support 1080i and have no problems with the green hue.
Hopefully that clears things up.
Any further suggestions?
I'm curious what your result is with YPbPr instead of RGB, will that work on a DVI input?
If your running into problems with HDCP you can look for the user "moome" in the for sale threads for possible solutions as well.
Good luck!
-Splints
confidenceman 11-07-07, 01:59 AM The problem occurs with all content sent through the DVI/HDMI cable with RGB set to full. For me this is mostly upconverted DVD's and 720P games.
I use component with Blu-Ray and 1080i games as that input is calibrated and I don't have the issue with setting RGB to full or limited as that is not an option over component. My colours are more vibrant and contrast is better over component. That is why I use it, rather than the DVI/HDMI route.
I have also tried a second DVI/HDMI cable and the issue persits, so I know it is either the PS3, or the input on the TV. Most likely the latter.
It's not an HDCP issue, but good thought.
I see your point about the resolutions, but I just use a properly calibrated input for different material. I must use HDMI/DVI for upconverted material as the component route goes only as high as 480P with SD DVD's and PS3 games encoded with only 720P. I use component for Blu-Ray (1080i) and for the PS3 games that support 1080i and have no problems with the green hue.
Hopefully that clears things up.
Any further suggestions?This is a bit of a longshot, but if you're switching between video outputs on your PS3 a bunch, you may need to hard reset your PS3, possibly even factory reset the PS3. It may be having issues with the initial HDMI handshake. Before turning the PS3 back on, be sure to disconnect component and HDMI/DVI. Reconnect the HDMI/DVI only and have the PS3 do its auto-detect for the connection type once you boot it back up. Ideally, you should only need this single connection.
Auditor_Kevin 11-07-07, 08:01 PM Hey All,
I'm about to purchase a PS3, but I need to get my cable situation in order first. My TV is a Sony Grand Wega III 50" LCD rear projection. I thought it had an HDMI port in back but it actually has a funky looking DVI port.
I already ordered this:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024004&p_id=2504&seq=1&format=2
So now I guess I need a HDMI to DVI adapter? It looks like there's all kinds of DVI couplers too, and when I went to monoprice I didn't see any that matched exactly. I could post a picture of my DVI port, but I'm hoping you resident experts will know what I'm talking about and point me in the right direction.
Thanks in advance for any assistance!
Kevin
edited to add TV model number: KF-50WE610
Auditor_Kevin 11-08-07, 11:57 AM Just to update everything in case someone in the future searches this never-ending thread for my model number TV for basic information:
I ordered the following DVI>HDMI adapter from monoprice thanks to the recommendation of a fellow AVSer via a PM:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
I wanted to follow up with this in the original HDMI thread I posted in but that thread was locked. I get why it was locked, it's just a little frustrating to see the thread that was helping me out a great deal get shut down in lieu of posting in a 200 page thread where only other people with issues (not necessarily answers) go. No need to reply to that last part, like I said - I get it. :D
splinters 11-08-07, 12:58 PM With DVI ports, make sure they support HDCP or else the HDMI to DVI converter won't do squat for you. Good luck!
-Splints
Auditor_Kevin 11-08-07, 01:38 PM Uh oh. Another wrinkle in the plot that is my attempting to set up a gaming console. :D
Can you tell by looking at the adapter I bought (link is above) if it supports HDCP? I don't even know what that means, but I'll look it up.
Bookerman (AVS name) has the same TV as me and bought the same cable and adapter and they worked for him, so I'm thinking I won't have any issues.
Whodathunk this could be so complicated!
pollux13 11-11-07, 11:30 AM PS3 flickering screen when playing games at 720p
First off, let me provide the details of my setup.
60GB PS3 (latest firmware 1.92)
32" Sharp LC-32D42U Aquos LCD HDTV (supports 480p, 720p, & 1080i)
Onkyo TX-SR505 Digital Receiver
I currently view PS3 video output (games & video) using the HDMI pass-through feature of my receiver--my PS3 is connected to my receiver via HDMI cable while the receiver is connected to the TV through HDMI cable as well. Sound is output via toslink/optical directly to the receiver.
DVDs, Blu-Ray discs, and video files play at 1080i just fine. The problem I'm having deals with playing video games at 720p, which is what most default to because they don't seem to support 1080i. The video display starts to flicker every 1-3 seconds between a black screen and a partial signal of whatever game I'm trying to play at the time. The games that i've tried so far are actual game discs of Virtua Fighter 5 and NBA College Hoops 2K7 as well as game demos of Ninja Gaiden, Gran Turismo, Folklore, Resistance, and Stranglehold. What's interesting is that the game demo of Super Puzzle Fighter HD doesn't provide any problems because it displays at 1080i.
What I did to isolate the problem is by doing a System Restore. This reset video and sound to output solely through HDMI. Playing game discs was just fine through this setting--no flickering screen and what not. Once I set the Sound Settings to optical/toslink, the problem began to re-occur. I tried another set-up with PS3 to TV via HDMI for video and PS3 to receiver via toslink/optical for audio and got the same flickering/digital snow problem.
Can anyone shed some light on this issue and how it can be resolved? Thanks in advance.
I have the same setting with the same problem
60GB PS3 (latest firmware 2.0)
32" Sharp LC-32D42U Aquos LCD HDTV
an old xbox receiver
HDMI video and audio works fine into TV but no 5.1 sound on this setting :(
I can understand the limitation of PS3 of not being able to output both HDMI and optical in the same time (my xbox360 does that without any problems) but I'm very frustrated by the fact I can't use the optical out in the games due to image flickering.
My system behavior is that if I change the sound setting in the PS3 menu from HDMI to optical out the TV will start flickering for games and demos (BD play will work though).
I was thinking to get an Onkyo 605 to extract the sound from HDMI but reading these notes it made me to believe that this won't work either ?
Are there any known workarounds ? I can still try to return my TV (Costco) and try a newer model ... Did anyone tried different Aquos models?
- found that the flicker is applicable only if 5.1 or DTS is enabled. If in the PS3 optical out config DTS or 5.1 is not enabeled (only standard stereo is) the HDMI display will work OK ...
I tried initially with 5.1 DD disable and DTS enabled and worked for few games but once I tried to play Nascar demo that has DTS output I realized that only Linear PCM 2Ch. 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz works ...
augmental 11-13-07, 11:22 AM I have a Pioneer 5070 and I have my new 40 GB PS3 connected via HDMI. I let the system automatically detect the video settings and have been running at 1080i. The problem that I am having is when the system switches from 1080i in the XMB to 720p for a game, most of the time the screen just goes black and I can't do anything / see anything onscreen. Has anybody else had a problem with the switch from 1080i resolution to 720p causing a black screen?
Thanks for any info. I looked through the threads but couldn't find anything that was directly related.
splinters 11-13-07, 07:34 PM I have a Pioneer 5070 and I have my new 40 GB PS3 connected via HDMI. I let the system automatically detect the video settings and have been running at 1080i. The problem that I am having is when the system switches from 1080i in the XMB to 720p for a game, most of the time the screen just goes black and I can't do anything / see anything onscreen. Has anybody else had a problem with the switch from 1080i resolution to 720p causing a black screen?
Thanks for any info. I looked through the threads but couldn't find anything that was directly related.
If your tv can't support 720p, you might want to manually de-select this feature and it will output 480p for you. A lot of users have complained about older tv's not being fully supported by the ps3 and it sounds like you may be one of those people.
Good luck!
-Splints
NeONGeneSAr 11-13-07, 10:50 PM I have a Pioneer 5070 and I have my new 40 GB PS3 connected via HDMI. I let the system automatically detect the video settings and have been running at 1080i. The problem that I am having is when the system switches from 1080i in the XMB to 720p for a game, most of the time the screen just goes black and I can't do anything / see anything onscreen. Has anybody else had a problem with the switch from 1080i resolution to 720p causing a black screen?
Thanks for any info. I looked through the threads but couldn't find anything that was directly related.
If your tv can't support 720p, you might want to manually de-select this feature and it will output 480p for you. A lot of users have complained about older tv's not being fully supported by the ps3 and it sounds like you may be one of those people.
Good luck!
-Splints
augmental: FYI, double-posting is frowned upon. Anyway, I have a Pio 5070 and 60GB PS3 connected via HDMI, have the PS3 automatically detect video settings, and have not/do not experience this problem. I went through the motions trying to replicate the problem: XMB @ 1080i then selected a 720p game from XMB (Splinter Cell disc, Guitar Hero III disc, and TimeShift downloaded demo). Sure, the screen goes black for a few seconds but the game loads right up afterwards (normal).
so when you say the screen "goes black," I assume it's staying black? what about sound?
Are you able to play 720p games at all? (Don't select the game from the XMB. Set-up your PS3 to start discs automatically upon disc insert or when powered "on" if the disc is already inside.)
Find another source (STB, DVD player) to input a 720p signal into the Pio and check if it displays the picture correctly. If it does, the problem lies within the 40GB PS3. If the Pio doesn't display the 720p source, then the problem is the plasma. :(
Splinters: If augmental's plasma supports 1080i (as he stated above), why wouldn't it support 720p? why even suggest he opt for the 480p route? I haven't heard of a plasma display with the following signal support: 480? yes! 720? no! 1080? yes!
It wouldn't make any sense that a plasma would accept/display a 480i/p and 1080i signal but not a 720p signal. BTW, the Pio 5070 accepts 480i/p, 720p, and 1080i/p signals.
augmental 11-14-07, 05:57 PM First, sorry about the double post!! :)
Second, my PS3 / Pioneer are not having the issue anymore!! Kinda strange but it seems like there was a handshaking issue the first day and now whether I have it in 1080i or 720p it doesn't matter everything is loading fine (games / Blu-ray). Maybe it is because I also have my Xbox 360 connected to that input (input 1) but it is via the Component? I have the PS3 in there via HDMI and switched the input 1 to HDMI but I left the 360 component cables plugged in. Since you have the Pio you know what I mean.
Did the TV get confused for awhile? LOL...I am not really sure.
Thanks for the responses.
splinters 11-15-07, 06:27 PM Splinters: If augmental's plasma supports 1080i (as he stated above), why wouldn't it support 720p? why even suggest he opt for the 480p route? I haven't heard of a plasma display with the following signal support: 480? yes! 720? no! 1080? yes!
It wouldn't make any sense that a plasma would accept/display a 480i/p and 1080i signal but not a 720p signal. BTW, the Pio 5070 accepts 480i/p, 720p, and 1080i/p signals.
I didn't know the 5070 very well, so I took an assumption that 720p may not be a supported resolution on his tv. I would agree that newer plasma screens would support 720p, but given that I didn't know, I did want to make the possibility known to him that some of the 1080i HDTV sets previously didn't support 720p, and therefore the ps3 had to output 480p in those cases.
But I stand corrected. 720p should work in this case. Glad it worked out for all involved.
-Splints
smartbo 11-17-07, 01:31 AM Hello!
I have recently started having a problem with my ps3, and I was hoping some wise heads around these parts might be able to help me.
I have a philips 23pf5320 HDTV, which has one HD component and one DVI-HDCP input. For months (march to a couple of weeks ago), I was happily running my PS3 (European, 60Gig) through the DVI-input. This encompassed (I believe) firmwares 1.6 to ~1.7x (I didn't always update promptly).
Then on the day of the 1.9FW I downloaded it, installed it, played a bit of something left the room for a few moments, came back to find a blank screen. Confused I tried changing the channel etc to no avail. Not too worried I turned off my ps3. Trning it back on gave no picture. My TV didn't even seem to notice there was an input. I consulted the internet and did the press-the-power-button-for-5-seconds-until-you-hear-a-second-beep trick, but no luck there.
Grrr!
Then I plugged in my trusty composite cables, did that same sort of startup and Hoorah! my ps3 lives, albeit in 480i. Now, I go to display options and switch manually to HDMI, but still no luck. On the 'DVI' channel just a black screen. I try all possible combinations of plugging this in first, then turning that on, etc., but still nothing. Disgruntled, I unplug my 360 from the HD component input, put in the ps3 and I can switch to playing in HD this way fine.
I buy a new HDMI cable, in the vain hope that this will help. (It didn't.) I download FW2.00 when it comes. (Still nothing.)
Does anyone have any idea what the problem may be? A defective ps3? A defective TV? A FW-induced issue?
This has got me very upset :confused:, and I really don't want to return my ps3 because the 60Gig is getting scarce, but I really love the BC of the 60Gig. In fact, I NEED it.
Any solutions, other than constantly swapping my component cables at the back of my TV?
Any help is appreciated...I'd really like my ps3 fit and ready for R&C and Uncharted! :D
Link to my answer in the other thread. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12243722#post12243722
fishingham 11-21-07, 09:55 AM I can say the Samsung HL-S5087W has no issues whatsoever with video over HDMI..... Audio on the PS3 is all screwed up. It will only support 2-channel audio over HDMI at this point as far as I can tell. It really sucks, Sony goes on and on about HD and Surround sound, and yet the POS only supports 2 channel over HDMI. I have yet to be able to get a game working in any sort of multi-channel sound.
Any help on the audio issues would be much appreciated.
I have the HL-S6187 which is similar, just a different screen size. If you are running the HDMI to the TV and then trying to take the optical from there to an AV receiver you will only get 2 channel sound as the HDMI in the TV will only support 2 channel sound. If you feed the HDMI signal from the PS3 to your AV receiver and from there to the TV, your receiver will play the multi channel sound of the games or Blu-ray discs just fine - set the audio to LPCM via HDMI and you would want to set the audio to HDMI under the BD/DVD section of Setup. If you are using the optical audio out of the PS3 directly to your AV receiver, then of course be sure to set the audio to Optical, and you may want to set it for bitstream as well - that one depends upon what you are all playing and your preferences.
Hope this helps...
ckemp29 11-22-07, 09:46 AM I just got my new Sharp LC-52D64U yesterday and hooked up my ps3 60g unit, which I had been playing via composite and I cant get any picture on the HDMI or component. I have done the latest 2.01 update buy that did not help. Help me guys, this sucks!!!
confidenceman 11-22-07, 02:18 PM I just got my new Sharp LC-52D64U yesterday and hooked up my ps3 60g unit, which I had been playing via composite and I cant get any picture on the HDMI or component. I have done the latest 2.01 update buy that did not help. Help me guys, this sucks!!!It's because your PS3 still thinks you're running it via composite! Turn the PS3 off. Then hold down the on button for a while. Keep holding it down after it turns on until you hear a second beep. This should get the PS3 to automatically look for its new connection type.
ckemp29 11-22-07, 09:40 PM I did that. I have tried everything that I have read. I am a home theater installer so I know how to set up a ps3. I am going to take it to my friend to cetermin if in fact it is the ps3.
andydumi 11-22-07, 11:49 PM I did that. I have tried everything that I have read. I am a home theater installer so I know how to set up a ps3. I am going to take it to my friend to determine if in fact it is the ps3.
Have you tried any other HDMI sources on that input on the TV? Call Sony as a last resort, they will walk you through it.
ckemp29 11-23-07, 03:29 PM My HD DVR played fine thru the same HDMI cable and thru both inputs. Yet to try another TV.
gabe151 11-23-07, 08:17 PM I have a quick question that has me pulling my hair out. I have a Sony 60" Hi-def Rear projection with 1080p. PS3 hooked up and plays games through HDMI fine. Cablebox and DVD all play fine via HDMI. But Blu-ray discs are not playing thru HDMI at all---just a black screen and remote stops working unless I eject the disc. When I hook up PS3 direct to TV via HDMI, the Blu-ray will play at 1080p just fine. My receiver is the HK247 and is capable of passing through 1080p (and its doing that on games just fine but not Blu-Ray). Any ideas?
socowolf 11-26-07, 05:31 PM I'm looking for the solution, and this thread comes closer than anything else I have found online... I hope someone here can help or point me in the right direction.
I have a PS3, and a Sony XBR 70 inch.
Whenever I play either a BluRay movie or a PS3 game that displays a lot of white on the screen the screen blinks until the scene finishes.
(Just picked up Assassin's Creed and if you've seen the game you know this makes it impossible to play because there's tons of almost all white scenes.)
OK, so connectivity -- the PS3 is connected through my Onkyo amp with Monster Cable Y/Pr/Pb component cable video (not HDMI cable).
Yes, I've tried connecting directly to the Sony TV with the same results.
This weekend, I was visiting family for Thanksgiving and we played PS3 Assassin's Creed on their 37" Toshiba with no problems at all (no blinking). Component connection.
We also connected the PS3 to our 42" Toshiba and had no "blinking when white" issues. Also, component connection.
So, by deduction, the issue seems to be in the Sony 70" TV somehow.
I've consulted every forum I could find, even worked with support for both PS3 in the beginning and had a Tech come out and check the TV but nobody is providing any solution for this problem. And it's not clearly defined on any forum I could find.
Like I said, this was the closest I have found - even though this thread is HDMI specific and my issue is Component Video.
I'm sure someone will suggest I go to HDMI instead of component, but I would need a new amp for that route and I'm not ready for that yet, since my Onkyo is still in perfect condition.
Also, remember the PS3 and game/movie worked fine via Component on two other TV's (no blinking while white screen issuesu) so logically it should work on my XBR70 also. Unless there's something in the bigger TV's that I am unaware of. And that's why I'm here.
Just looking for some help, feedback, suggestions. Thanks in advance.
Lee
baddlord777 11-28-07, 11:25 AM I am new to this board..so bare with me. I have a 3 year old XBR42 Sony..it only have DVI and component cables...whats the best way to achieve the best color/res etc. w/ the PS3 ? It does not have DMI on the back of the tv...?
I am new to this board..so bare with me. I have a 3 year old XBR42 Sony..it only have DVI and component cables...whats the best way to achieve the best color/res etc. w/ the PS3 ? It does not have DMI on the back of the tv...?
You can use an HDMI to DVI cable which can be purchased for $10 to $20 from monoprice and other cable suppliers or you can use the proprietary Sony component cables which will cost about $20 I think unless you have an unused set from a PS2. Either option should work as well as the other.
Gatorfan123 11-29-07, 12:07 PM I have a Sony 34XBR800, and I can not get the PS3 to work with the HDMI-to DVI cable. The TV is HDCP compliant. Not sure what the problem. The TV supports all resolutions, except 1080p.
It does work using the component cables.
confidenceman 11-29-07, 01:29 PM OK, so connectivity -- the PS3 is connected through my Onkyo amp with Monster Cable Y/Pr/Pb component cable video (not HDMI cable).I'm sure you've thought of the following possibilities, but just in case you haven't:
1) Double check all your PS3 settings.
2) It could be a bad cable. And for God's sake, don't get another Monster cable!
3) Buy an HDMI cable (~$10 from monoprice) and try a direct PS3 -> TV connection. It could be a bad component connection on your TV or AVR. If you have something else you can check the component connection against, try that.
splinters 12-01-07, 12:52 AM I have a Sony 34XBR800, and I can not get the PS3 to work with the HDMI-to DVI cable. The TV is HDCP compliant. Not sure what the problem. The TV supports all resolutions, except 1080p.
It does work using the component cables.
Do you have another HDMI-HDCP source to test the cable and connection with? It could be your TV or cable until you can eliminate them as clean.
-Splints
Gatorfan123 12-01-07, 09:39 AM I can use my cable cox (which I presume is HDCP, but I am not sure) with the HDMI-DVI cable. I also I can use an upconverting DVD player. (The PS3 is my only hi-def dvd player in the house.)
So I believe it is something with my TV. I read on another forum about entering the service menu changing a setting, but that seemed a little to risky for me.
I have Sony 60"XBR2 that I primarily use, so it hasn't bother me to much about not getting it to work on the 34" tv.
splinters 12-01-07, 05:53 PM I can use my cable cox (which I presume is HDCP, but I am not sure) with the HDMI-DVI cable. I also I can use an upconverting DVD player. (The PS3 is my only hi-def dvd player in the house.)
So I believe it is something with my TV. I read on another forum about entering the service menu changing a setting, but that seemed a little to risky for me.
I have Sony 60"XBR2 that I primarily use, so it hasn't bother me to much about not getting it to work on the 34" tv.
I believe your cable box is probably using HDCP from all the HDMI problems I hear with cable boxes. I don't think the upconverting DVD player has it since there is not HDCP encryption requirement on dvd's.
Oh well, I would recommend using the component since 1080i and 1080p is pretty minor on a <40" screen. Games will still output on 1080p on component, just not blu-ray's.
-Splints
Gatorfan123 12-03-07, 10:22 AM Okay, I didn't realize that the games will stay at 1080p on component.
Thanks,
Gatorfan
NoviDave 12-03-07, 12:01 PM OK, I have an older rpt capable of 1080i. Toshiba 50HX81. This set only has two component inputs, no HDMI or DVI. Will a PS3 play well using component? My son really wants one but I really don't want to replace the tv. Can you help an old man out?
I have spent hours troubleshooting my PS3. I use HDMI straight to a Optoma HD 70 projector with optical audio to a receiver. Last weekend I moved the PS3 and receiver and now I can not get a picture. I have held the power button, reformatted the hard drive, updated the firmware to v.2.01, and nothing. The only picture I can get is through the component yellow out to a little analog tv.
HELP ME get my HD back!!! Thanks in advance to all those who reply.
confidenceman 12-04-07, 05:16 AM OK, I have an older rpt capable of 1080i. Toshiba 50HX81. This set only has two component inputs, no HDMI or DVI. Will a PS3 play well using component? My son really wants one but I really don't want to replace the tv. Can you help an old man out?Not sure how old your son is or what he's hoping for. I'll assume this is as much for you as it is for him. ;)
The component connections will serve you fine. You'll get slightly decreased PQ, and you won't be able to upscale DVDs, but otherwise component's fine. Your PS3 will be able to scale Blu-rays to 1080i no problem. If you have an AVR with optical in, you can run digital audio from your PS3, also.
The bigger issue, though, as others on this forum can attest, is that the TV is 1080i. If a game doesn't support 1080i, the PS3 will output it as 480p. It won't upscale a 720p image to 1080i unless the developers include that feature themselves. More and more developers are taking note and providing this output resolution, but some aren't. All the biggest games out right now will do 1080i fine (Ratchet & Clank, Assassin's Creed, Uncharted, CoD4); hopefully, this trend continues.
It will play wonderfully, it just might not look as good as it could for some of the older games (Resistance, for example).
have spent hours troubleshooting my PS3. I use HDMI straight to a Optoma HD 70 projector with optical audio to a receiver. Last weekend I moved the PS3 and receiver and now I can not get a picture. I have held the power button, reformatted the hard drive, updated the firmware to v.2.01, and nothing. The only picture I can get is through the component yellow out to a little analog tv.
HELP ME get my HD back!!! Thanks in advance to all those who reply.You're going to have to be a lot more specific than that. When you say "move," do you mean you took it somewhere else and hooked it up, then brought it back and tried to hook it back up? Or do you just mean you moved it from one shelf to another?
You say that you can get component to a little analog TV. Will component work with your projector (if it has component inputs)? Have you tried other HMDI cables? Does your projector have other HDMI inputs you can try? Did you connect the PS3 via component before or after you moved your setup? It's very possible it may still be configured for component.
Repeating this process can't hurt: power everything down again. Do the display output reset on the PS3 again (holding down the power button until you hear the second beep). Power up the display.
I moved from one side of the room to the other. The projector is on the ceiling and the component cord is too short. There is only one HDMI input on the projector and it works when connected to the cable box. I have also tried the display reset multiple times without success.
Hope this helps clarify the situation for additional troubleshooting thoughts.
Gatorfan123 12-04-07, 09:55 AM I moved from one side of the room to the other. The projector is on the ceiling and the component cord is too short. There is only one HDMI input on the projector and it works when connected to the cable box. I have also tried the display reset multiple times without success.
Hope this helps clarify the situation for additional troubleshooting thoughts.
Have you tried this?
Hook up the PS3 via composite cable (yellow) and the HDMI cable to the projector at the same time.
On the setup, change the output to HDMI and see if this triggers the HDMI output.
Yes. The only to see the PS3 menu is to hook it via yellow cable. When I change the display settings to HDMI it goes blank. 30 seconds later it defaults back.
confidenceman 12-04-07, 12:26 PM I'll assume then that you've tried using the same HDMI cable that works for your cable box? If you have, then it sounds like you're awfully close to having to send the console in. Your final order of business is to try hooking it up to a different display via HDMI (at a friends' place or something).
seaners 12-05-07, 12:47 PM I currently have a 50" Panny Plasma and I'm looking into purchasing a PS3 for gaming and Blu-Ray. My question for everyone who's gaming on plasma is, how is it? Is it worth it?
splinters 12-05-07, 06:27 PM I currently have a 50" Panny Plasma and I'm looking into purchasing a PS3 for gaming and Blu-Ray. My question for everyone who's gaming on plasma is, how is it? Is it worth it?
Gaming on plasma should work just fine, there are minor differences between LCD, Plasma, and RPTVs for gaming, but there shouldn't be any additional lag or picture quality loss that should hold you back. Buy and be happy. :)
-Splints
splinters 12-05-07, 06:31 PM Yes. The only to see the PS3 menu is to hook it via yellow cable. When I change the display settings to HDMI it goes blank. 30 seconds later it defaults back.
I would second the check on the HDMI cable, if any of the connectors get damaged the video will not work at all. If you can validate the cable as working, then you will need to talk to Sony support since it sounds like the ps3 is having problems with HDMI out.
Good luck!
-Splints
Pooty G 12-06-07, 03:59 AM Hey guys I have a question that I cannot for the life of me find the answer to.
When I hook up my PS3 (it's a refurbished 60GB system) via HDMI to my 32" LG LCD HDTV (32ld7d) it does not show a picture. Not anything.
Now here's the weird part. When I plug in the HDMI cable to the TV it lets me select HDMI 1 or 2 depending on the port that I have it plugged in to, but the letters are grey, unlike all the others that are white when plugged in. When I unplug the HDMI cable then I can no longer select it period.
Anyways short and simple I'm not getting a picture when I plug the PS3 into my HDTV via HDMI. I have the latest firmware. Yes my TV is HDCP compliant or w/e. This is really pissing me off.
Thanks for the help in advance.
Hey guys I have a question that I cannot for the life of me find the answer to.
When I hook up my PS3 (it's a refurbished 60GB system) via HDMI to my 32" LG LCD HDTV (32ld7d) it does not show a picture. Not anything.
Now here's the weird part. When I plug in the HDMI cable to the TV it lets me select HDMI 1 or 2 depending on the port that I have it plugged in to, but the letters are grey, unlike all the others that are white when plugged in. When I unplug the HDMI cable then I can no longer select it period.
Anyways short and simple I'm not getting a picture when I plug the PS3 into my HDTV via HDMI. I have the latest firmware. Yes my TV is HDCP compliant or w/e. This is really pissing me off.
Thanks for the help in advance.
When you turn the PS3 on keep you finger on the power button an extra five seconds or so till you hear more beeps. This will have the PS3 autodect the resolution of your TV and it should ask you if you want to keep this resolution (it will display highest available). Sounds like this is whats happening with your TV. Mine didn't show anything on screen when I first plugged it in either till I did this.
I posted this in another topic, but I thought I would seek your opinions as well.
Ok, I am sure this question has been answered a million times in many forms but I hope you will bear with me and answer my specific questions.
My Son has his PS3 connected into our current home theater system. We have been taking advantage of its Blu-Ray capabilities and are enjoying the picture quality. My question is about updating my current Sony ES receiver. The receiver is about 9 years old supports DD5.1 and DTS. The PS3 is connected via optical cable. I have been looking at the Pioneer 92TXH and wwould use the HDMI connection. I have an NHT 5.1 system (I do not plan on upgrading to 7.1 in the near future) I also have a JVC 63" 1080p TV and a Comcast HD DVR.
Will I be able to take advantage of all of the audio formats available on Blu-Ray discs or is it true the PS3 does not output some of them?
Will I notice better sound via HDMI than with my current Sony ES receiver?
Also will I be able to take advantage of the PS3s ability to play SACDs with this receiver?
Audio quality is important to me, but I also have a dedicated 2 channel audio system.
Any other receiver opinions are also welcomed.
Thanks in advance for your responses.
confidenceman 12-06-07, 12:25 PM My Son has his PS3 connected into our current home theater system. We have been taking advantage of its Blu-Ray capabilities and are enjoying the picture quality. My question is about updating my current Sony ES receiver. The receiver is about 9 years old supports DD5.1 and DTS. The PS3 is connected via optical cable. I have been looking at the Pioneer 92TXH and wwould use the HDMI connection. I have an NHT 5.1 system (I do not plan on upgrading to 7.1 in the near future) I also have a JVC 63" 1080p TV and a Comcast HD DVR.
Will I be able to take advantage of all of the audio formats available on Blu-Ray discs or is it true the PS3 does not output some of them?
Will I notice better sound via HDMI than with my current Sony ES receiver?
Also will I be able to take advantage of the PS3s ability to play SACDs with this receiver?
Audio quality is important to me, but I also have a dedicated 2 channel audio system.
Any other receiver opinions are also welcomed.
Thanks in advance for your responses.I don't own the Pioneer myself, but I've heard good things about it. Some here prefer the comparable Onkyo and Denon models.
The PS3 has a broad range of supported audio formats and carries the potential to expand that support through firmware. But you'll need HDMI to take advantage of all of the available formats. Everyone around these here parts is crossing their fingers waiting for DTS-MA.
SACD is a 5.1 format, so it should be no problem on the old Sony receiver (and definitely no problem on your possible new one).
The primary difference between optical and HDMI is the supported formats. HDMI can pass greater amounts of digital information than optical, so the array of formats increases with HDMI. There's nothing inherently inferior in the sound quality of optical, but it won't be able to pass the newer, higher bandwidth, lossless (compressed) formats. So, indirectly HDMI is "better."
Hope some of that helps.
SACD is a 5.1 format, so it should be no problem on the old Sony receiver (and definitely no problem on your possible new one).
I understand I can only get SACD 5.1 with HDMI, is this correct?
Pooty G 12-06-07, 06:37 PM When you turn the PS3 on keep you finger on the power button an extra five seconds or so till you hear more beeps. This will have the PS3 autodect the resolution of your TV and it should ask you if you want to keep this resolution (it will display highest available). Sounds like this is whats happening with your TV. Mine didn't show anything on screen when I first plugged it in either till I did this.
I tried that a long time ago and it didn't work :(
confidenceman 12-06-07, 07:07 PM SACD is a 5.1 format, so it should be no problem on the old Sony receiver (and definitely no problem on your possible new one).
I understand I can only get SACD 5.1 with HDMI, is this correct?I believe there's some sort of odd compression or format re-encoding that happens over optical with the SACD format, but I'm not too sure of the precise technical differences. Some are claiming true 5.1, others are saying it's only simulated. Check this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=936895
Using a Hitachi 51S700 with hdmi to DVI adapter from a 40GB unit. No display issues, but watching Spidey 3 seemed to yield a bit of a soft picture. The one game we played had no video dropouts. I did notice the TV flashing a 720P message, as the game started. Since the TV can take that signal, all worked fine.
snakeoiler 12-09-07, 07:31 PM I have ps3 and a 42" lx177 i notice that the highest i can get the only game i own right now. Madden 07 football it only say 720p, it is hooked up using a sony hdmi cable. spider man 3 br does do 1080p. What games do full 1080p or is a setting on my ps3 or tv. i currently have the ps3 set to auoto on video out put and it says 1080p. Thanks for the help
splinters 12-09-07, 11:36 PM I have ps3 and a 42" lx177 i notice that the highest i can get the only game i own right now. Madden 07 football it only say 720p, it is hooked up using a sony hdmi cable. spider man 3 br does do 1080p. What games do full 1080p or is a setting on my ps3 or tv. i currently have the ps3 set to auoto on video out put and it says 1080p. Thanks for the help
wow, uhmm I think your asking if all games and movies are 1080p or not. If you have a different question, re-phrase and we'll see what we can do.
Most movies on Blu-Ray are 1080p, there are a few 1080i, but most are 1080p.
Games have a variety of resolutions including 720p, 1080i, 1080p and your tv plays whatever resolution the game supports. There is also a scenario where a few games that are 720p only and there are a few HDTV's that's are 1080i or 480p only, which means that the 720p game defaults back to 480p. But this is specific to TV's with 1080i and no 720p.
Hope that helps.
-Splints
confidenceman 12-10-07, 12:20 AM I have ps3 and a 42" lx177 i notice that the highest i can get the only game i own right now. Madden 07 football it only say 720p, it is hooked up using a sony hdmi cable. spider man 3 br does do 1080p. What games do full 1080p or is a setting on my ps3 or tv. i currently have the ps3 set to auoto on video out put and it says 1080p. Thanks for the helpIt sounds like you're asking whether Madden '07 will output 1080p. The answer is no.
Most games (both PS3 and 360 games) are native at around 720p. Some will output up to 1080i/p, but are still native at lower resolutions (like Ratchet & Clank).
Regardless, don't sweat it when your display tells you a game is "only" 720p. All is well.
snakeoiler 12-10-07, 12:25 AM wow, uhmm I think your asking if all games and movies are 1080p or not. If you have a different question, re-phrase and we'll see what we can do.
Most movies on Blu-Ray are 1080p, there are a few 1080i, but most are 1080p.
Games have a variety of resolutions including 720p, 1080i, 1080p and your tv plays whatever resolution the game supports. There is also a scenario where a few games that are 720p only and there are a few HDTV's that's are 1080i or 480p only, which means that the 720p game defaults back to 480p. But this is specific to TV's with 1080i and no 720p.
Hope that helps.
-Splints
Thanks i went to gamestop and the guy told me not all ps3 games are like you say. some do 1080p but mostly they do 720p. Hopefully that will change i should have bought an xbox as they have so many that do 1080p. i bought the ps3 since i own the 2 others before and with the free blu rays disc its a good deal. oh well thanks for the info.
confidenceman 12-10-07, 12:49 AM i should have bought an xbox as they have so many that do 1080p. Not true. 360 can scale games to 1080p, but pretty much all of them are still somewhere around 720p native.
When you play a 720p game on your PS3, your TV is telling you the source material is 720p. However, what you're seeing is actually a 1080p image since your TV has to upscale the source in order to display it at the display's resolution (1080p).
The 720p games on PS3 are still showing up on your display as 1080p since your TV is scaling the image anyway. It doesn't matter whether it's the console or the TV that upscales the image to 1080p; that doesn't change the fact that all HD games are still primarily 720p native.
splinters 12-10-07, 03:21 AM Thanks i went to gamestop and the guy told me not all ps3 games are like you say. some do 1080p but mostly they do 720p. Hopefully that will change i should have bought an xbox as they have so many that do 1080p. i bought the ps3 since i own the 2 others before and with the free blu rays disc its a good deal. oh well thanks for the info.
You can check the supported resolutions on the back of each game box. 720p games can still look damn good (see Resistance:FoM). Your tv will scale the 720p signal to your screen so at the end of the day the resolution between the ps3 at 720p vs. 360 at 720p->1080p will be about the same.
I doubt this will convince you about the virtues of the ps3, but all I can really offer is that you give some of the 1080p demos a chance and see what you think. Both systems are very capable, I just think the ps3 is better integrated (BD drive and HDMI output standard) and has fewer system problems than the 360.
-Splints
JackBau3r 12-11-07, 12:01 AM Okay, I bought my first BR movie, Superbad, today for my PS3, and I really can't see the picture clarity that I'd expect with an HDTV LCD and a BR player. I mean don't get me wrong, the picture quality is better than your standard dvd, but I really don't see a huge jump. Maybe I have the settings wrong? Could someone clue me in on what I settings I should have?
Before I start, my HDTV LCD is the same one you see that the 360 kiosks use: Sammy LNR238:
-Should video output format be auto, RGB or Y/Pb/Pr/Cr?
-Should RGB full range be set to limited or full?
-What does cinema conversion mean and should I have it on or off?
-DVD upscaler or is that for normal dvds?
-What is BD1080p 24hz output (HDMI) mean? Should I have it auto, on, or off?
-Should sharpness on my TV setting be at 0 or 100?
confidenceman 12-11-07, 12:59 AM I don't know the specifics of your display, but if you're not seeing a big difference between Blu-ray and standard def DVD, there's probably something going on with your display.
The best way to check your PS3 settings is to try each different setting on your own display. But here're my initial thoughts:
-Should video output format be auto, RGB or Y/Pb/Pr/Cr?No HDMI? If not, then component should be your first choice (Y/Pb/Pr/Cr). Set to "auto," the console should choose the best setting. But if you want HD, you have to have your PS3 running through at least component. If you've got a recent HDTV, you could probably make the jump to HDMI, though.
-Should RGB full range be set to limited or full?Depends on your display. If your blacks are looking washed out, then change this setting.
-What does cinema conversion mean and should I have it on or off?I think this only applies to standard def DVDs. I think this is the progressive scan conversion.
-DVD upscaler or is that for normal dvds?Yes.
-What is BD1080p 24hz output (HDMI) mean? Should I have it auto, on, or off?If your display can do it, this is a to replicate the full film experience. The 24hz setting replicates for home theater the standard framerate of film via projector. But your display must also have this as a setting.
-Should sharpness on my TV setting be at 0 or 100?Depends on a huge number of factors that are impossible to list here. Everyone's TV and viewing conditions and viewing preferences are different. Getting ahold of a calibration DVD may help you, but even then, your own preferences might differ from technical standards. Displays also have different optimum settings from source to source.
Overall, I'd guess that your disappointment is probably a result of your display. Spend some time in the display forums and see if you can find some useful calibration information.
JackBau3r 12-11-07, 08:18 AM I was there aleady. One person replied so far, but we'll see, and yes. I do have an HDMI cable. So should it be RGB or Y/Pb/Pr/Cr? Maybe it's just that my LCD is already outdated? I mean, MS and Samsung were touting the LCD when the first 360 kiosks hit the stores.
To me the bigger difference between DVD and BD (or HD DVD) is the sound rather than the picture. The picture is better but the sound is over the top better than DVD.
Turd Furgeson 12-11-07, 08:51 PM I recently purchased a starlogic 24" HDCP compliant dvi computer monitor form amazon. I had issues where when I would output at 1080p I would start to get what looked like static in the picture until it consumed the whole frame. I tried holding the power button down to have the ps3 auto detect the settings and the issue persisted. IT does not happen in 720p so I thought it might be a bandwith issue with my cheap meritline.com cables. So I ordered the 24 AWG HDMI to DVI Cable from monoprice. I set it all up again an held down the power button to have the ps3 detect the monitor, and I'm still having the issues. So I think that rules out the cable.
Do you guys think this is a ps3 issue or a monitor issue?
The monitor works fine with my macbook outputting at 1920x1200.
confidenceman 12-12-07, 03:12 AM I was there aleady. One person replied so far, but we'll see, and yes. I do have an HDMI cable. So should it be RGB or Y/Pb/Pr/Cr? Maybe it's just that my LCD is already outdated? I mean, MS and Samsung were touting the LCD when the first 360 kiosks hit the stores.If it helps, I have mine set to "automatic," but I'd try all three settings. I'm sure you have already, and didn't notice a difference. Again, I'm guessing you probably just need to tweak your display's settings.
Alternately, it could be that you honestly don't notice the difference. The PS3 does a great job of upscaling standard def DVDs. If it's a good transfer, it ends up looking great on an HD display. I was just watching The Good German today and I was stunned at how crisp and sharp that movie looks in upscaled standard def.
For me, the most obvious visual difference isn't just visual clarity and sharpness. There's an overall sense of "vividness" and "depth" that isn't there in standard def movies. It may be that you're just not sensitive to the differences. If you're feeling ambitious, go to a store and ask them to run a comparison between standard def DVD and Blu-ray on a PS3 running to an HDTV . See if you can tell the difference there.
lamdaddy 12-12-07, 01:10 PM Hi, new to the board. Just received the 9.8 the other day and I love it. Im having a problem with my PS3 not syncing with the 9.8, though.
My setup includes the Integra 9.8, Rotel RMB 1075, Oppo HD971, Toshiba A2, Scientific Atlantic 8300 HD DVR, Optoma HD70, and the 80gb PS3. Everything is connected via HDMI, including audio for all sources. Everything is working well except the PS3. I can get it to play, but only after switching inputs a few times. Otherwise, the Integra will cycle like its trying to sync up, but wont. The Integra does not display "No Signal", which at least would tell me something.
For example, I turn on the system switch to the PS3s input and the PS3 main menu system is present. However, once I choose to play a bluray disc or video game, it seems the resolution changes, my projector displays the "no signal" message and the Integra looks like its trying to sync, but never does....untill I switch inputs a few times it will eventually show the movie or whatever. And if I stop the movie or it ends, I get the same thing happen on the way back to the main PS3 menu. Actually, I have to switch to my sacd/cd player input which is connected by the multi-analog inputs. Its very annoying and I've yet to hear of anyone else having this problem.
If any one has any ideas, please let me know.
Thanks, Steve
confidenceman 12-12-07, 06:21 PM Hi, new to the board. Just received the 9.8 the other day and I love it. Im having a problem with my PS3 not syncing with the 9.8, though.As I'm sure you recognize, this sounds like a classic HDMI handshake issue.
I'm sure you've tried it already, but just in case you haven't, be sure to try other HDMI connections and cables.
Also, be sure to try bypassing your integra and go straight to the display via HDMI. My hunch is that this is not a PS3 issue.
I've seen a few mentions elsewhere in the forums of people having handshake issues with that particular model. Not sure if it's common, but I'm pretty sure I've seen issues mentioned. Do a forum search and see if you can track down some solutions floating around in the AV sections here.
EDIT: Here's a page with some relevant discussion about the exact issues you're having:
http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12413581&highlight=handshake#post12413581
kevin1333 12-12-07, 09:33 PM Has anyone tried the ps3 with the Phillips 42pfl7432d/37 with a HDMI connection?
Also I have an older surround receiver (Harmon Kardon AVR40) will this be a problem since it has no HDMI connection ?
Thanks, any info will help.
Slow down technology...your passing my by!!!
confidenceman 12-12-07, 11:13 PM Has anyone tried the ps3 with the Phillips 42pfl7432d/37 with a HDMI connection?
Also I have an older surround receiver (Harmon Kardon AVR40) will this be a problem since it has no HDMI connection ?
Thanks, any info will help.
Slow down technology...your passing my by!!!Depends on what you mean by "problem" and what you're trying to do with it.
kevin1333 12-13-07, 04:09 PM I just want to be able to have surround sound while viewing hi-def with either the ps3 or just the tv through a hi-def cable dvr
kevin1333 12-13-07, 04:14 PM 1 other question, as far as hdmi cables go, do I need one that says 1.3 or will any cable produce the same signals ?
Thanks again,
splinters 12-13-07, 05:17 PM Kevin1333,
Surround sound is available at Dolby Digital on up and that is a requirement on all BD content. Your cable provide is a bit hit or miss, but you can get at least DD in 5.1. The big arguments you see here on AVS are more about lossless audio formats vs. lossy audio formats. If your AVR can support LPCM on HDMI (aka HDMI 1.1), you should be pretty set already unless you have both high end speakers and AVR to go along with your PS3.
As for cables, get the ones on monoprice, you won't need the super thick ones unless your getting 30+ feet cables. HDMI 1.1 should be just fine. The 1.3 will be helpful if your going for a future-proof setup with HDMI 1.3 components all around for deep color (not supported on any HDM format currently) and bitstream of lossless audio (Dolby TruHD and DTS-HD-MA).
Hope that helps.
-Splints
lamdaddy 12-13-07, 06:20 PM Confidence, Thanks for the reply! Ill keep searching!
kevin1333 12-13-07, 06:46 PM Splints,
Thanks for the info, this sheds some light on my situation. It has been a very long time since I 've upgraded any of my equipment and all of the new formats, connections and lingo has got me somewhat confused. I just purchased the new Phillips LCD (and love it )but have yet tried to hook my old receiver or anything else through it. I was just hoping I wasn't going to have to upgrade everything else at this time.
Thanks Again,
bugmenot55 12-14-07, 11:59 PM i just got my PStriple and i have a Sony KP-51WS510. can i use a HDMI-to-DVI cable for the picture?
what about the sound? DVI doesn't do sound right?
i need to know this as well because i own this tv and i ordered a dvi-hdmi cable. I later found out that most tv's over 3 years old cannot recieve picture through the dvi inuput because of HDCP encoding. Does anyone have this tv and a working ps3 hi-def connection??
This tv is like 4 years old so i want to make sure i can still play my ps3 games using the dvi out for video and seperate rca/analog out for audio. That is the setup i want. I really hope i dont have to order a component cable to play in hi-def.
Schelfs 12-15-07, 10:22 AM Yes, I have a PS3 and a Sharp Aqueos 46inch LC 46D46U, which I just hooked up last night. The picture looked great and the Blu-Ray movies played fine except for the letterboxing black bars ontop and below the screen when the movie played. I went through the PS3 settings but I couldn't get them to disappear. The black bars went away for some of the previews but they always came back during the movie itself. I don't remember the TVs in the store having this problem. What gives?
like.no.other. 12-15-07, 10:55 AM Yes, I have a PS3 and a Sharp Aqueos 46inch LC 46D46U, which I just hooked up last night. The picture looked great and the Blu-Ray movies played fine except for the letterboxing black bars ontop and below the screen when the movie played. I went through the PS3 settings but I couldn't get them to disappear. The black bars went away for some of the previews but they always came back during the movie itself. I don't remember the TVs in the store having this problem. What gives?
You have to learn about aspect ratio. Movies are filmed wider than your TV so
it puts out black bars on the top and the bottom to preserve the natural image.
Your TV is 1.78:1 wide while most of the big blockbuster films are 2.35:1. Some
films are shot 1.85:1 and will fill up your screen depending if they decide to
put a widescreen enhancement on so it fills the 1.78:1 screen instead of putting
small black bars at the bottom and at the top. PlayStation 3 games and most
of the HD channel shows are filmed a native 1.78:1 so it fills your widescreen
up instantly.
If you want to learn more, go to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_%28image%29
Schelfs 12-15-07, 11:04 AM Thanks for your reply. I assume that there's nothing to be done about this? I would hate to do something like downconverting the PS3 output signal to a 720p/i to get a full screen picture on the TV.
like.no.other. 12-15-07, 11:12 AM Thanks for your reply. I assume that there's nothing to be done about this? I would hate to do something like downconverting the PS3 output signal to a 720p/i to get a full screen picture on the TV.
Whatever resolution it is set on, it is still going to be with letterbox on it unless
you apply a Zoom on the image. I don't recall Blu-Ray having a full screen
version of the movies. You have to get used to it or if it bothers you that much,
go into a 2.35:1 CIH setup which will cost you more.
confidenceman 12-15-07, 11:25 AM Yes, I have a PS3 and a Sharp Aqueos 46inch LC 46D46U, which I just hooked up last night. The picture looked great and the Blu-Ray movies played fine except for the letterboxing black bars ontop and below the screen when the movie played. I went through the PS3 settings but I couldn't get them to disappear. The black bars went away for some of the previews but they always came back during the movie itself. I don't remember the TVs in the store having this problem. What gives?Why do you want a hi-def player that distorts the original image? Isn't the whole point of having a hi-def player being able to see a movie in as close to its original format as possible?
Learn to love the black bars. They tell you that you're getting an image closer to the original film print!
I don't mean to sound like a snobbish boob, but to many of us this is like saying: "You know, this new Ferrari is great and all, but I prefer the way my Ford Taurus drives. Can't you just switch out the transmissions?" :D
eddie187 12-16-07, 07:06 PM hi guys i have a Sony kds-a2020 I'm running hdmi thought the ps3. when i try setting the ps3 resolution to 1080p the screen start to blink the crazy but it's fine on 1080i any solutions.
confidenceman 12-16-07, 08:10 PM hi guys i have a Sony kds-a2020 I'm running hdmi thought the ps3. when i try setting the ps3 resolution to 1080p the screen start to blink the crazy but it's fine on 1080i any solutions.There's a bunch of suggestions to be found elsewhere in this thread. Put that forum search tool to use!
Standard troubleshooting includes (in this order):
-Check display settings on PS3 XMB.
-Reset auto-setup on PS3 by holding down power button until second beep when you turn it on.
-Try different HDMI connections.
-Try different HDMI devices using same cable and input.
-Try different HDMI cable.
-I'm not familiar enough with your display to know what might be happening on that end, but there's probably more troubleshooting options there. Check in the HD-display forums.
-Call Sony.
EDIT: I just reread your post. Judging by your wording, it sounds like you had to force the PS3 to display 1080p. That means that it didn't detect 1080p automatically. If the reset trick doesn't work for you, then it's probably something on your display's end.
eddie187 12-16-07, 11:31 PM i did find the problem it was faulty hdmi cable.
Travisimo 12-20-07, 11:34 AM I think I'm just SOL, but I thought I'd post here to ask the experts! :-)
I have a 60gb PS3 and have been using it with my 50" RCA DLP via HDMI. Works great. No problems.
But now that I have a few other HDMI devices, I bought a 4x1 HDMI switcher from Monoprice (the HS-41A0 model). Upon hooking up all of my devices to the switcher, it appears that everything is working EXCEPT my PS3 (go figure). I have the Xbox 360 Elite and my Toshiba HD-A1 hooked up and they work without issue. However, no matter which port I use to hook up the PS3, it doesn't seem to detect the HDMI signal at all (TV shows no signal, black screen).
Currently, I've tried the following:
1) Tried all 4 ports on the HDMI switcher.
2) Tried a couple of different HDMI cables.
3) Tried resetting my PS3 by holding down power button.
4) Tried different resolutions in the PS3's HDMI settings (my tv is 720p so I tried both 720p and 1080i).
5) Tried powering down the switcher and units several times.
None of this has worked. However, if I remove the switcher from the equation and plug my PS3 directly into my TV via HDMI, it works perfectly (and my TV only has 1 HDMI port).
Am I just out of luck? Should I try to return the switcher and get a different model (like the 5x1 one) or would I probably get the same results? As it stands, the switcher is doing me no good as I will still have to unplug and switch HDMI cables every time I play my PS3, etc.
Thanks for any help or suggestions you can give.
splinters 12-20-07, 12:52 PM Sounds like your HDMI switcher is causing issues. I wonder if the monoprice switcher is HDCP friendly or not. I would assume so, but HDCP handshaking does tend to pop up a lot on HDMI connections. Do you have the option of having the ps3 go directly to the tv and use another HDMI input for the devices that do work on the switch?
-Splints
andydumi 12-20-07, 12:57 PM Sounds like your switcher is not HDCP friendly. I would browse around for advice on one that definitely works with the PS3.
Travisimo 12-20-07, 02:28 PM Sounds like your switcher is not HDCP friendly. I would browse around for advice on one that definitely works with the PS3.
It shows the PS3 right on the box for the HDMI switcher, so I'm certain it's *supposed* to work with the PS3. However, you guys are probably right in that it's a HDCP or handshaking issue.
I'll probably return it for something else, but what else should I try? I could try a different model HDMI switcher that Monoprice has (others have reported no problems with Monoprice switchers and the PS3).
Other than Monoprice, are there any other ~4 port switchers in the $50 range?
andydumi 12-20-07, 03:06 PM This 5 port one seems to work just fine with PS3s.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=2777&seq=1&format=4#feedback
Also, change the cables for the PS3, see if maybe a higher quality cable would do a better job with the current one before you change the whole switch. From the testing they did it seems the quality of the cable makes a difference for some devices.
dewdrop 12-23-07, 03:53 AM I think I'm just SOL, but I thought I'd post here to ask the experts! :-)
I have a 60gb PS3 and have been using it with my 50" RCA DLP via HDMI. Works great. No problems.
But now that I have a few other HDMI devices, I bought a 4x1 HDMI switcher from Monoprice (the HS-41A0 model). Upon hooking up all of my devices to the switcher, it appears that everything is working EXCEPT my PS3 (go figure). I have the Xbox 360 Elite and my Toshiba HD-A1 hooked up and they work without issue. However, no matter which port I use to hook up the PS3, it doesn't seem to detect the HDMI signal at all (TV shows no signal, black screen).
Currently, I've tried the following:
1) Tried all 4 ports on the HDMI switcher.
2) Tried a couple of different HDMI cables.
3) Tried resetting my PS3 by holding down power button.
4) Tried different resolutions in the PS3's HDMI settings (my tv is 720p so I tried both 720p and 1080i).
5) Tried powering down the switcher and units several times.
None of this has worked. However, if I remove the switcher from the equation and plug my PS3 directly into my TV via HDMI, it works perfectly (and my TV only has 1 HDMI port).
Am I just out of luck? Should I try to return the switcher and get a different model (like the 5x1 one) or would I probably get the same results? As it stands, the switcher is doing me no good as I will still have to unplug and switch HDMI cables every time I play my PS3, etc.
Thanks for any help or suggestions you can give.
I have the same issue as well! And it is a 4x1 model. Its so frustrating, I thought I read somewhere that this model is compatible with PS3. Or it this our lousy luck?
Satummoo 12-23-07, 11:04 PM How do I know if I have the problem?
When I turn on the system or somtimes play a game. The screen with go black and my tv will so "invalid input", then flicker black, then show a fuzzy cable screen (snow flakes?), then play the game normal. The entire process lasts about 3-5 seconds then everything is fine. Should I be concerened? It's sort of an annoyance and have thought about switching to component.
Is this the "handshake" problem?
EDIT: OK I do have the problem and now it pops. It's really annoying. I'm going to buy the official ps2 component cables from TRU for 8.00
Travisimo 12-24-07, 12:53 PM I have the same issue as well! And it is a 4x1 model. Its so frustrating, I thought I read somewhere that this model is compatible with PS3. Or it this our lousy luck?
I thought so as well. Monoprice offered to replace my 4x1 with a 5x1 so I sent the 4x1 back. I will report back when I get the 5x1 but I really doubt at this point that it will work either. Not sure what is going on but it definitely has the be the switch since the PS3 -> TV via HDMI directly works like a charm.
llanelwy 12-27-07, 04:18 PM one you can add to the list
Samsung DLP HL-N5065wx works great no problems using HDMI to DVI cable
ratcheer 12-29-07, 11:49 AM I guess I am lucky. I never expected to have any issues, so I just naively bought a Panasonic TH-50PZ700U plasma TV and an 80 GB PS3. Hooked them together with a cheap HDMI cable, set the PS3 to 1080p, and everything works perfectly.
Tim
Has anyone tried the PS3 with the Sharp Aquos 62U TVs? Only saw one guy post on the Official thread in the Displays forum but he was using components not HDMI
i have the Sharp Aquos LC-37D62U connected via HDMI. no problems here.
darthrsg 01-01-08, 07:16 PM Is there a thread where people post their PS3 settings and display type? There is a thread like that in the Xbox area. Very helpful info.
darthrsg 01-01-08, 07:20 PM Set-up your PS3 to start discs automatically upon disc insert or when powered "on" if the disc is already inside.)
I am stupid how do I do this? I would like to boot into XMB. Thanks.
Hi guys,
I posted this over on the KDS-60A3000 board, but this may be a better place for it. I have two questions that are probably answered somewhere on this thread, but who's got time to search.....
I just bought a KDS-60A3000 and hooked up my PS3 via HDMI and found that while my Standard DVDs are shown in 1080p by the PS3, games like NHL 08, Call of Duty 4, and Assasins Creed are all downgraded to 720p. Is there a way to configure the PS3 to upscale the image and only output 1080i or convert it to 1080p?
Also, this may apply only the KDS owners, when I scan the HDMI ports via the menu on the TV for HDMI devices, the PS3 is never found....any ideas why?
Thanks!
confidenceman 01-02-08, 03:33 PM I am stupid how do I do this? I would like to boot into XMB. Thanks.There's a setting in your PS3's XMB settings menu. Something like "Play disc on start-up." Simply click on "off."
I just bought a KDS-60A3000 and hooked up my PS3 via HDMI and found that while my Standard DVDs are shown in 1080p by the PS3, games like NHL 08, Call of Duty 4, and Assasins Creed are all downgraded to 720p. Is there a way to configure the PS3 to upscale the image and only output 1080i or convert it to 1080p?No. PS3 upscales DVDs, but not PS3 games. Scaling is determined by individual game developers. Those games are not "downgraded," they're simply natively rendered at 720p. If your display is native 1080p, then your display will upscale those 720p games to 1080p.
Also, this may apply only the KDS owners, when I scan the HDMI ports via the menu on the TV for HDMI devices, the PS3 is never found....any ideas why?Not sure. How are you displaying it if your TV can't detect it?
hkaydin 01-05-08, 06:57 PM Hello Guys,
I have Panasonnic 42PY70 plasma and 40 GB PS3. Connected over HDMI cable (HAMA). Even if my TV support 1080p, I could get only 1080i. I tried to update PS3 but no change in resolution. Please help...!!! Should I buy Sony LCD?
Thanks,
confidenceman 01-05-08, 07:08 PM I have Panasonnic 42PY70 plasma and 40 GB PS3. Connected over HDMI cable (HAMA). Even if my TV support 1080p, I could get only 1080i. I tried to update PS3 but no change in resolution. Please help...!!! Should I buy Sony LCD?What are you trying to display?
If you're trying to get a particular game to display at 1080p, that will completely depend on whether or not that particular game supports 1080p.
If you're trying to view a DVD or Blu-ray at 1080p, then something's off. Double-check your display settings in the XMB. Force 1080p output (uncheck the other supported resolutions) and see what happens.
hkaydin 01-06-08, 04:07 AM I am just setting display output in PS3. No DVD/Game or BlueRay. I could not set 1080p output in Videoutput settings and I am sure my plasma accepts 1080p signals.
I am tried PS3 at computer shop also on Sony, we can congiure 1080p output to Sony also. But, something stupid with my plasma.
genfuyung 01-07-08, 03:26 AM For the love of god maybe I will get an answere here. I just got a PS3 last night and its been a nightmare ever since. I have the PS3 hooked up to my samsung 5265f via hdmi for video. Set to 1080p. For audio I have an optical cord run from my ps3 to my receiver. For some reason my screen flickers. The image doest dissapear it just gets skewed for a second. This happens ALL THE TIME. During dvds, blu rays, games and while in the main menu. How do I fix this? Id like to keep the PS3 but for 500 bucks Ill return it if this isnt a fixable issue.
Here is a vid showing my EXACT ISSUE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLiQQRd3ryU
genfuyung 01-07-08, 04:03 AM Could this be happening because I dont have a 1.3a cable?
confidenceman 01-07-08, 04:18 AM I am just setting display output in PS3. No DVD/Game or BlueRay. I could not set 1080p output in Videoutput settings and I am sure my plasma accepts 1080p signals.Try the auto-detect reset. Turn off your PS3. Turn it back on by holding down the power button until it beeps a second time. This will reset its display auto-detect function. Otherwise, is it possible there's a setting that needs to be messed with on you display?
Could this be happening because I dont have a 1.3a cable?Not a 1.3a issue. But it could very well be a bad cable. Try a different cable and see what happens.
If you still get the same issue, then you need to start more elaborate troubleshooting (for example, hooking up your PS3 via HDMI to a different display; checking other HDMI equipment using the same cable and display connection; etc.).
genfuyung 01-07-08, 04:39 AM Try the auto-detect reset. Turn off your PS3. Turn it back on by holding down the power button until it beeps a second time. This will reset its display auto-detect function. Otherwise, is it possible there's a setting that needs to be messed with on you display?
Not a 1.3a issue. But it could very well be a bad cable. Try a different cable and see what happens.
If you still get the same issue, then you need to start more elaborate troubleshooting (for example, hooking up your PS3 via HDMI to a different display; checking other HDMI equipment using the same cable and display connection; etc.).
I have tried 2 different cables (both of which work perfectly with other devices) and plugged them into all 3 hdmi ports on my tv(which have been tested with my hdmi cable box and xbox 360 and work fine). I appreciate any help. I dont have any other tvs to test the system out on. Did u see the video I posted? That doesnt mean anything specific?
For the moment Ive switched the output to 1080i and the bouncing seems to have stopped. If this is the only way to stop it from bouncing then I will be returning this for my 500. I dont know why 1080i would stop the bouncing. Everything else connected to my TV runs at 1080p.
confidenceman 01-07-08, 11:39 AM I have tried 2 different cables (both of which work perfectly with other devices) and plugged them into all 3 hdmi ports on my tv(which have been tested with my hdmi cable box and xbox 360 and work fine).Not an issue I immediately recognize, no. Your next step is to check your PS3 and HDMI cable on another display (friends' house or store).
genfuyung 01-07-08, 02:46 PM Not an issue I immediately recognize, no. Your next step is to check your PS3 and HDMI cable on another display (friends' house or store).
Well thanks for lookin into it for me. Ive posted on some other forums so maybe Ill find a fix. If its not compatible with my tv ill just return it and stick with hd dvd.
stone93 01-07-08, 03:30 PM anyone have any issues with the sonyxbr970 crt? I'm using hdmi with 1080i output and although only really noticeable on the browser and in the ps store and sometimes in the xmb, it cuts out a little of the top and the left of the screen.
boltsfan21 01-08-08, 11:15 AM My PS3 is hooked up via hdmi to a Mitsubishi WD-65733. There is constant flashing which is really annoying. The odd thing is I only get the flashing on the menu screen and while playing a regular DVD. There is no flashing when I play a game or a Blu Ray disc. The flashing is so bad I really can't do anything on the menu screen since it's flashing to a black screen. Anyone have any idea why it's doing this? My friend brought his brand new PS3 over to try out and it does the same thing. I've tried using 3 different hdmi cables and it still flashes. I don't think it's the cable since I've tried them all on my HD-DVD player with no problems. Could this possibly be an issue with my tv?
andydumi 01-08-08, 11:31 AM It seems to be a TV issue if multiple PS3s and cables result in the same issue.
Call your TV manufacturer and see if they have any advice, or updates.
Have mine set up with a Panasonic th50pz77. Setup was a snap and works flawlessly.
Buddy C 01-08-08, 01:07 PM My PS3 is hooked up via hdmi to a Mitsubishi WD-65733. There is constant flashing which is really annoying. The odd thing is I only get the flashing on the menu screen and while playing a regular DVD. There is no flashing when I play a game or a Blu Ray disc. The flashing is so bad I really can't do anything on the menu screen since it's flashing to a black screen. Anyone have any idea why it's doing this? My friend brought his brand new PS3 over to try out and it does the same thing. I've tried using 3 different hdmi cables and it still flashes. I don't think it's the cable since I've tried them all on my HD-DVD player with no problems. Could this possibly be an issue with my tv?
I have the CC version Mitsubishi WD-Y657, and have no issues via HDMI with the PS3. The menu screen looks fine and regular DVDs look grand.
bdwright77 01-10-08, 02:57 PM I need some help here gentlemen. I have the Samsung LNT 4661 1080p television. The PS3 detects 1080p resolution for the TV and does fine on blu-ray.
However, when playing COD4, and pressing info on the Sammy for the rez stats, it is being displayed in 720p. What gives?
andydumi 01-10-08, 04:04 PM What gives is that the PS3 detects all the available modes your TV supports, which include 720p and 1080p. Since the game is 720p, the PS3 outputs it as such. For 1080p games, it outputs 1080p, for 720p, 720p. There is no upscaling by the PS3.
bdwright77 01-10-08, 04:53 PM What gives is that the PS3 detects all the available modes your TV supports, which include 720p and 1080p. Since the game is 720p, the PS3 outputs it as such. For 1080p games, it outputs 1080p, for 720p, 720p. There is no upscaling by the PS3.
Well then why would the box indicate that the game is output in 1080p?
splinters 01-10-08, 05:28 PM Well then why would the box indicate that the game is output in 1080p?
This sounds like the resolution is not being properly detected still. I've seen 1080p on COD4 on a friend's tv and it looks great. I would recommend manually selecting the resolutions and see if that helps.
-Splints
bdwright77 01-10-08, 09:36 PM This sounds like the resolution is not being properly detected still. I've seen 1080p on COD4 on a friend's tv and it looks great. I would recommend manually selecting the resolutions and see if that helps.
-Splints
Thanks Splints. I have forced it as well, but my concern is this:
Which component would be improperly detecting the resolution:
1. PS3 is not outputing correctly
2. TV is not detecting signal correctly
3. AVR (Sony STR DG1000) is not passing the correct signal
FYI - I dont believe it is 3 because other resolutions work. Nonetheless, I will hook up the PS3 directly to the TV to see if I spy any changes.
andydumi 01-11-08, 12:38 PM The game is designed in 720p and is simply upscaled to 1080p. So the default game res is 720p on 1080p Tvs. The 1080p mode was made partly to prevent issues with those people who have 1080i tvs but do not receive 720p.
So the way to get 1080p in COD4 is to disable 720p as an option in your PS3 settings. BUt other games only output 720p, so then turn it back on for those...
I found that the difference in COD4 between 720 and 1080 is minimal, if any, so I left it at 720.
confidenceman 01-11-08, 12:56 PM Well then why would the box indicate that the game is output in 1080p?By "box" do you mean the game box? Or are you talking about the PS3? If you're talking about the game box, then it just lists supported resolutions, but it's still native at something around 720p.
If you're talking about the PS3, it just lists the highest supported resolution, but you can change the individual supported resolutions if you go into "manual" setup in your display settings.
Or by "box" are you talking about your display? Is your display telling you it's receiving a 1080p signal? If so, that means the PS3 is not set up to output any 720p signals (which you should change).
But regardless, nothing is "improperly detecting the resolution."
I think we've got a few threads elsewhere dedicated to this 720p v. 1080p thing.
But to clarify: if you've got a 1080p native set, the image will have to be scaled to 1080p no matter what. If you leave the PS3 display settings alone, it will output 720p and your TV will scale it to 1080p. If you force 1080p in the PS3, your TV does no scaling, or sometimes minimal scaling.
So this issue comes down to whether you think the PS3 does a better job of scaling than your display. If you want your display to scale, let the PS3 output what it wants. If you want the PS3 to scale, force 1080p by unchecking the other resolutions.
bdwright77 01-11-08, 03:21 PM Thanks guys for the responses. Andydumi, I see what you are saying. Confidenceman, I was refering to the game's box, but thanks for the thorough response.
The funny thing is though, guys, that when I unchecked 720p and 1080i on the PS3 and continued to play the game, my TV was still displaying in 720p, and it did not look like 480p scaled to 720p by the TV. Other games are displayed in 1080p as indicated on their game boxes (i.e. Ninja Gaiden).
How do you determine the native resolution of your TV? Any further suggestions of what might be the reason behind my experience would be appreciated, but as Andydumi noted, I guess the difference b/t COD4 in 720 and 1080 is small enough where I can get over it.
confidenceman 01-11-08, 04:48 PM The funny thing is though, guys, that when I unchecked 720p and 1080i on the PS3 and continued to play the game, my TV was still displaying in 720p, and it did not look like 480p scaled to 720p by the TV. Other games are displayed in 1080p as indicated on their game boxes (i.e. Ninja Gaiden). There's no way your PS3 is outputting 720p if it's unchecked. My guess is that your AVR is upscaling the image before it reaches your TV. Are you connecting everything via HDMI for video? If so, does your AVR upscale over HDMI? If you're running component (PS3 to AVR), then most newer AVR's can upscale that (which would mean you're seeing a 480p PS3 image upscaled to 720p by your AVR and then upscaled again by your TV to 1080p).
Is your display telling you it's receiving a 720p image or is that just your best guess? If you're just guessing, then it's because your TV is upscaling a 480p image to 1080p which can look pretty good.
Also, you say you unchecked 720p and 1080i, but what about 1080p? If you only unchecked 720p and 1080i, then you're probably forcing 1080p output, which of course looks quite good, and can be indistinguishable from a native 720p image.
How do you determine the native resolution of your TV? Any further suggestions of what might be the reason behind my experience would be appreciated, but as Andydumi noted, I guess the difference b/t COD4 in 720 and 1080 is small enough where I can get over it.Your manual should clearly document your display's native resolution. From a very quick google search, I'm pretty sure your display is native 1080p.
bdwright77 01-11-08, 05:16 PM All good questions, and a great observation. The PS3 is running through my AVR to the TV all by HDMI. So, yes, I am guessing that it is indeed being upscaled by the AVR, as I have it set up to do.
However, I know for sure that it is being displayed in 720p because, when hitting info on the samusung TV, it displays the rez stats and it comes up as 720p.
Still, that doesn't explain why the game would not play in 1080p when the settings are correct on all components, or when 720p / 1080i are deselected on the PS3. COD4, like other games, should play in 1080p as advertised. This is just frustrating.
confidenceman 01-11-08, 05:28 PM All good questions, and a great observation. The PS3 is running through my AVR to the TV all by HDMI. So, yes, I am guessing that it is indeed being upscaled by the AVR, as I have it set up to do.
However, I know for sure that it is being displayed in 720p because, when hitting info on the samusung TV, it displays the rez stats and it comes up as 720p.
Still, that doesn't explain why the game would not play in 1080p when the settings are correct on all components, or when 720p / 1080i are deselected on the PS3. COD4, like other games, should play in 1080p as advertised. This is just frustrating.Ok. I'm pretty sure I know what's happening. This is an AVR issue. Your PS3 is putting out a 480p image, and your AVR is scaling it to 720p. Your TV is then telling you it's getting a "720p" image, but it's actually getting an original 480p image that's been scaled by your AVR to 720p, which your TV then scales again to 1080p.
For some reason, the way your PS3 and AVR are communicating is telling your PS3 that if 720p and 1080i aren't options, then it wants to put out 480p instead of 1080p. (By the way, in your PS3 display settings menu, is "1080p" showing up as a resolution option? If not, then this would tell me that your PS3 doesn't recognize your AVR's ability to pass that resolution.)
As an example, my AVR will scale content to 720p as well (only over component, though). But I don't have a choice about whether that content is upscaled or downscaled; all content will be scaled to 720p regardless. There may be something similar happening with your setup. The PS3 recognizes 720p as the only available display option, and responds accordingly. When you remove the 720p output option, the PS3 outputs 480p instead.
Needless to say, this is not an ideal situation.
I'm not sure if you ended up trying a direct connection between the PS3 and your TV, but based on what you've said, I think you'll discover that the problem "disappears." However, I'm sure you don't want this as a permanent solution.
You should start focusing on the details of your AVR's scaling abilities. See if there's a way to specify when it scales and when it doesn't. For PS3 games (and for CoD4, in particular), you don't want it to do any scaling since this is what I think is causing the problems. If I were you, I'd set up my AVR for direct video passthrough and leave scaling to my other devices (PS3 and TV).
Try this and see what happens.
bdwright77 01-11-08, 05:33 PM Great advice...I will try all of the above suggestions and get back to you on the results.
Thanks for the continued help!
aaron_perugini 01-12-08, 11:05 AM Hello! First time poster!
I have a Sony LCD 37inch HDTV the KDL-37P3020 and a PS3 60gb, I brought a Monster HDMI cable that gives me 10.2Gbps.
Now the problem is that I cant get my PS3 to connect to my HDTV.
The TV doesnt even acknowledge the PS3 in the HDMI sources menu on the TV settings.
Ive tried all kinds of solutions but nothing seems to have worked, ive applied on the Sony website for some help but I have to wait ages for feedback.
I was hoping some of you "Hi-tech wizards" could help me solve the problem and start watching some Blu-ray disc's and enjoying the high definition scene everyone has been raving about.
Thank you!!!
andydumi 01-12-08, 11:57 AM Hello! First time poster!
I have a Sony LCD 37inch HDTV the KDL-37P3020 and a PS3 60gb, I brought a Monster HDMI cable that gives me 10.2Gbps.
Now the problem is that I cant get my PS3 to connect to my HDTV.
The TV doesnt even acknowledge the PS3 in the HDMI sources menu on the TV settings.
Ive tried all kinds of solutions but nothing seems to have worked, ive applied on the Sony website for some help but I have to wait ages for feedback.
I was hoping some of you "Hi-tech wizards" could help me solve the problem and start watching some Blu-ray disc's and enjoying the high definition scene everyone has been raving about.
Thank you!!!
Have you gone through the setup process of the PS3?
Turn on your TV to the correct PS3 HDMI input. Turn off your PS3. Turn on your PS3 by holding down the power button (on the front) and continue holding it once it comes on for 5 seconds or so until you hear the beeps. Then see what happens and let us know.
aaron_perugini 01-12-08, 11:59 AM Have you gone through the setup process of the PS3?
Turn on your TV to the correct PS3 HDMI input. Turn off your PS3. Turn on your PS3 by holding down the power button (on the front) and continue holding it once it comes on for 5 seconds or so until you hear the beeps. Then see what happens and let us know.
Ive done all that, the PS3 actually at the start when it turns on tells me that there is a HMDI source available and do i want to switch high definition, if I press yes the screen just goes black.
andydumi 01-12-08, 12:26 PM Hit no, then manually go into the Video settings and set 720p output. See if that works (your TV may have issues accepting 1080p). Or call Sony, they should be able to help right away.
aaron_perugini 01-12-08, 12:28 PM Hit no, then manually go into the Video settings and set 720p output. See if that works (your TV may have issues accepting 1080p). Or call Sony, they should be able to help right away.
It wont let me accept HDMI on the settings because the screen goes blank.
I am using a skart lead at the moment and that only goes to 420
andydumi 01-12-08, 01:18 PM Remove all video and audio cables other than HDMI when you try it. Only plug in the HDMI cable between the TV and the PS3 and try it.
Also, are you routing sound through a receiver or straight to TV?
dogdoctor 01-12-08, 01:30 PM Ive done all that, the PS3 actually at the start when it turns on tells me that there is a HMDI source available and do i want to switch high definition, if I press yes the screen just goes black.If I read this carefully. When you first start the PS3 it tells you it has an HDMI source available? What input on the TV are you seeing this? Because if you select yes, then the screen goes blank, it should. Now you need to change the TV to display the HDMI input. The image goes black because the TV is still set to receive images on the prior input, and now the PS3 is sending images over HDMI and you must change the TV accordingly to view the HDMI. The TV doesn't do this for you.
aaron_perugini 01-12-08, 02:47 PM that sounds like it makes sense....i'll try it and get back to you
aaron_perugini 01-12-08, 02:51 PM I just want to say...you the man
dogdoctor 01-12-08, 04:17 PM I bought a Monster HDMI cable that gives me 10.2Gbps.Now if I really was the man I would have caught this earlier and have also told you to pack up the monster cable, head to monoprice.com and buy an HDMI for under $20 shipped, and then go buy yourself some games or movies with the extra money you just got back for returning a way overpriced HDMI cable. Just tell yourself its all marketing, marketing man.
aaron_perugini 01-12-08, 05:54 PM the only plus is that I have a life time warrenty, so if it ever breaks I get a new one
bdwright77 01-12-08, 06:23 PM Dogdoctor. I say the exact same thing all the time because in my research, I have heard this from multiple sources.
What baffles me is the fact that my buddy who works at Mgnolia in BB will swear up and down that Monster is worth the money, even when he is in my home hangin out. I tell him, you have an hdmi cable that works, or one that doesnt, other than that there is no difference.
But I digress, back to the subject at hand.
dogdoctor 01-13-08, 01:07 AM the only plus is that I have a life time warrenty, so if it ever breaks I get a new oneHey keep if you want to, but you could by a cable at monoprice likely 5 times or more if it continued braking too and you would still likely be ahead of the cost of the Monster cable. And seriously do these things "break" under normal circumstances? I doubt it. Like I said to each his own, but me personally I would be watching movies or playing Drake's Fortune with the cost of that cable. Enjoy the PS3 and your new found HDMI input.;)
guidoverduci 01-13-08, 07:36 PM Hi
I have a problem with 1080p. I just got a ps3 and hooked it up to my lnt5265f via hdmi. But for some reason I can't manually select the 1080p box when setting up the ps3. The automatic setup doesn't work either. So I only have up to the 1080i box checked... any ideas?
I have a mitsu hc4900 pj and the ps3.. The ps3 is running HDMI to my Harmden karden av146 avr then to the PJ... audio is hooked up from the ps3 to the avr via optical.. No problems here getting 1080p
SoIcanSearch 01-16-08, 03:40 PM I apologize if this has already been asked/answered or if this is in the wrong thread, but does anyone know about HDMI lipsync issues for the PS3 and Onkyo TX-SR605? I was about to jump on the TX-SR605 but read that the workaround for the lipsync issue fixes EITHER gaming OR blu-ray playback but not both. Does here anyone know if this is true or if there is a workaround that fixes both?
seaners 01-25-08, 09:27 AM Questions for 50PZ700U owners using a PS3 for Blu Ray:
I recently purchased a PS3 and connected it to the Panny via HDMI. During initial setup the PS3 detected 1080P as the native resolution. Perfect, right? Exactly what I wanted! The problem is as I was watching Terminator 3 I hit the "recall" button and noticed that the resolution was at 1080i, not 1080P. I was under the impression that because the PS3 detected 1080P as the native resolution it would automatically display Blu-Ray movies in a 1080P format. Any ideas or suggestions would really help as I value this forums opinion. Thank you for your help!
maximuslcd 01-25-08, 02:54 PM I have a quick question here:
I have an x box 360 and have the res set to 1080p, my lcd is 1080p and I realize that alot of the games are upscaled but ALL of my games/movies are put out in 1080p.
I am in the market for a ps3 for blu ray and a few games...am I going to have a problem achieving 1080p ALL the time with the ps3? My Tv is a sharp aquos lc52d62u 1080p lcd? I dont want to buy this thing if its only going to be 720 most of the time.
Thanks
mrtucanos 01-25-08, 10:23 PM I just got my 52LBX and am having trouble hooking up my PS3 with HDMI. Does anyone know of this issue and how to fix it.
mrtucanos 01-25-08, 10:25 PM I just got my 52LBX and am having trouble hooking up my PS3 with HDMI. Does anyone know of this issue and how to fix it. Just keeps saying NO SIGNAL.
andydumi 01-28-08, 11:14 AM I have a quick question here:
I have an x box 360 and have the res set to 1080p, my lcd is 1080p and I realize that alot of the games are upscaled but ALL of my games/movies are put out in 1080p.
I am in the market for a ps3 for blu ray and a few games...am I going to have a problem achieving 1080p ALL the time with the ps3? My Tv is a sharp aquos lc52d62u 1080p lcd? I dont want to buy this thing if its only going to be 720 most of the time.
Thanks
Right now, your X360 is upscaling most stuff to 1080p. With the PS3, some stuff (some games) will be in 720p (native) and your TV will upscale it. So really, as long as its not native 1080p, its getting upscaled by either TV or something else, and there is little if any difference based on which device does it.
I just got my 52LBX and am having trouble hooking up my PS3 with HDMI. Does anyone know of this issue and how to fix it.
Did you turn on the TV, then turn the PS3 on by holding the power button for 5 seconds until you get 2 beeps? Also, only use the HDMI cable to connect them, some people plug in all sorts of cables and then dont realize which they are watching.
dgburns 01-28-08, 11:41 AM Questions for 50PZ700U owners using a PS3 for Blu Ray:
I recently purchased a PS3 and connected it to the Panny via HDMI. During initial setup the PS3 detected 1080P as the native resolution. Perfect, right? Exactly what I wanted! The problem is as I was watching Terminator 3 I hit the "recall" button and noticed that the resolution was at 1080i, not 1080P. I was under the impression that because the PS3 detected 1080P as the native resolution it would automatically display Blu-Ray movies in a 1080P format. Any ideas or suggestions would really help as I value this forums opinion. Thank you for your help!
Hi. I believe that movie was incorrectly encoded to be 1080i when 1080p was desired and is on the packaging. Supposedly a disc replacement program will be offered to replace 1080i discs with 1080p discs once they get them pressed. Soooo, I don't think it's your set. It's the disc.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1293 "Warner Home Video has confirmed that due to an apparent production error, the video on this Blu-ray edition of 'T3' is encoded at 1080i (not 1080p as labeled on the box art)."
splinters 01-28-08, 01:28 PM I just got my 52LBX and am having trouble hooking up my PS3 with HDMI. Does anyone know of this issue and how to fix it. Just keeps saying NO SIGNAL.
One other thing is to hook up the composite cable that came with the ps3 (yellow video cable) and use that to get to the xmb menu and then go to the display settings to re-configure for HDMI. The factory reset mentioned above with the double beeps also works.
-Splints
msarwer 01-28-08, 07:47 PM I've hooked up my PS3 to my Samsung LN-S4095D. Works great until I run it at 1080P. At 1080P, I running into alot of shimmering and flickering.
The shimmering and flickering isn't as noticeable when something is moving on the screen, like a game or movie.
But once the screen is filled with static images that's when you'll notice the problems. Is this a PS3 problem.. or is this my TV?
I just got a PS3 (80gb) with 2.10 system software. I have this hooked up to my Sammy lns-4095D via HDMI. I see a lot of flickering, shivering at 1080P also. It is most noticeable on XMB screen with the default theme. The screen is fine at 720P but not at 1080P. I have the latest firmware loaded on the TV that allows me to do 1:1 mapping on 1080P "justscan". I have tried different HDMI cable and both the HDMI ports on the TV.
Edit: The screen also looks fine @ 1080i . The info shows the XMB screen to be running at 1080i @ 60hertz.
Spent a long time reading several threads and sites. Please help with some information if any of you guys faced this issue. I just need to know "yay" or "nay" for a fix.
splinters 01-29-08, 07:06 PM I just got a PS3 (80gb) with 2.10 system software. I have this hooked up to my Sammy lns-4095D via HDMI. I see a lot of flickering, shivering at 1080P also. It is most noticeable on XMB screen with the default theme. The screen is fine at 720P but not at 1080P. I have the latest firmware loaded on the TV that allows me to do 1:1 mapping on 1080P "justscan". I have tried different HDMI cable and both the HDMI ports on the TV.
Edit: The screen also looks fine @ 1080i . The info shows the XMB screen to be running at 1080i @ 60hertz.
Spent a long time reading several threads and sites. Please help with some information if any of you guys faced this issue. I just need to know "yay" or "nay" for a fix.
Sounds like you have a tv or ps3 problem. Return the ps3 and get a new one to see if that is the problem. If that doesn't fix it, probably get ahold of Samsung to see what's wrong.
-Splints
dougfunnie 01-30-08, 05:29 PM For all those with a Samsung LCD: Do you guys have game mode "on" or "off" when you are using the PS3?
THanks!
msarwer 01-30-08, 05:36 PM For all those with a Samsung LCD: Do you guys have game mode "on" or "off" when you are using the PS3?
THanks!
Game mode is off.
I have PS3 RGB set to "Full" (putting in to "Limited" doesn't make difference on the grain) and "Yb .. White" set to Off.
Here is my latest post about this issue in the LN-S4095 owner forum.
OFFICIAL Samsung LN-S4095/4695/4096/4696 Owners Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12978493#post12978493)
dougfunnie 01-30-08, 05:43 PM Game mode is off.
I have PS3 RGB set to "Full" (putting in to "Limited" doesn't make difference on the grain) and "Yb .. White" set to Off.
Here is my latest post about this issue in the LN-S4095 owner forum.
OFFICIAL Samsung LN-S4095/4695/4096/4696 Owners Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12978493#post12978493)
Is the consensus among samsung owners to turn game mode "off" while playing the PS3? or is it just a matter of personal preference?
I noticed that when I have it on, the image comes alive and is more vibrant.
Strecker25 01-30-08, 09:52 PM I have a philips lcd 42" with all 3 hdmi inputs being used
#1 = HD set top box
#2 = HD home theater PC
#3 = PS3
if the ps3 is plugged in (even off) HDCP does not function correctly on the HTPC or the STB. The HTPC cannot play back bluray or HDVD without losing its handshake and the STB can only play audio. If i switch the ps3 on and leave it on even though its not playing anything it seems to complete the link and all is fine. Anyone have an idea whats going on here?
Shin CZ 01-31-08, 03:46 AM Okay, I recently shipped out my old Samsung LNT-4066F (up to date 1037 fw, 1005 hw) to a friend of mine who purchased it off me.
He recently purchased an 80gb PS3 and updated it to 2.10.
Via Component, he can output in 480p/720p/1080i/1080p. No problems whatsoever.
Via HDMI, he can get 480p/720p/1080i no problem. While trying to output at 1080p, he gets the 'Mode Not Supported' screen. This is for all HDMI inputs on the TV.
Thing is, I have had the TV for 8 months, and I had ABSOLUTELY no issues having my 60gb ps3 output at 1080p via HDMI.
He told me his newer 360 (via HDMI) can output at 1080p with no issues, with the same cables he's been attempting on the ps3. This is for all HDMI inputs.
I have a 360 Elite and when I had the TV, I also had no issues with the 360 outputting at 1080p via HDMI.
So:
All HDMI inputs output at 1080p for the 360 with no issues.
All HDMI inputs output at 1080p 24hz/60hz with the ps3 60gb (when I had it). No issues.
All HDMI inputs CAN'T output at 1080p with the ps3 80gb.
I had a ridiculously overpriced HDMI cable that I bought at Best Buy ($100+ don't ask, I was an idiot). I also used the Microsoft HDMI cable that came with the Elite, which also worked fine on the ps3 with the TV.
My guess is that something is wrong with his ps3 itself. Perhaps it's limited to the 80gb model? Like i mentioned, I had no issues with the 60gb and that tv.
Help?
confidenceman 01-31-08, 05:50 AM Via HDMI, he can get 480p/720p/1080i no problem. While trying to output at 1080p, he gets the 'Mode Not Supported' screen. This is for all HDMI inputs on the TV.Since I've never seen it myself, where/when's the "mode not supported" screen coming up? What is he doing/watching/playing exactly to get that screen?
Just in case, there's also the "duh" solution of doing the auto-detect reset on the ps3 (turning on the console by holding down the power button until it beeps a second time).
Shin CZ 01-31-08, 02:39 PM He sets the ps3 to 720p or 1080i and goes to the display settings. As soon as he tries to check in 1080p and confirms, it blacks out with the message.
He's tried the auto-detect, and still gets the message.
His friend is coming over with a 60gb with his own HDMI cable and see if it works on the set, which it should. If so, something is definitely wrong with the 80gb ps3 trying to show up on the 4066.
mensign01 01-31-08, 04:42 PM How do you get the PS3 output settings to save? When I check or uncheck the resolution choices it doesn't give the option to save...it only gives the option to exit that menu without saving...
confidenceman 01-31-08, 05:11 PM He sets the ps3 to 720p or 1080i and goes to the display settings. As soon as he tries to check in 1080p and confirms, it blacks out with the message.
He's tried the auto-detect, and still gets the message.
His friend is coming over with a 60gb with his own HDMI cable and see if it works on the set, which it should. If so, something is definitely wrong with the 80gb ps3 trying to show up on the 4066.That sounds like a message that the display is giving, not the PS3. The PS3 gives you a blank screen and you have to wait for the settings to time out. On my set (720p), when I force the PS3 to output 1080p, I get nothing. No message or anything. Check into your display's settings and menus.
How do you get the PS3 output settings to save? When I check or uncheck the resolution choices it doesn't give the option to save...it only gives the option to exit that menu without saving...After you check the supported resolutions, push right on your controller. That'll take you to the save options screen. Press the X button. Then you can back out of the menu.
Shin CZ 02-01-08, 12:33 AM That sounds like a message that the display is giving, not the PS3. The PS3 gives you a blank screen and you have to wait for the settings to time out. On my set (720p), when I force the PS3 to output 1080p, I get nothing. No message or anything. Check into your display's settings and menus.
It IS a message the TV is giving. It's the same type of message 720p tvs get when you try to check in the 1080p box and confirm.
I have had 3 Samsung TVs.
2353H (23" 720p/1080i)
4066F (40" 1080p, the one in question)
4071F (40" 1080p 120hz)
That particular 4066F NEVER gave me a problem having 1080p via HDMI. Now when my friend tries it, it says Mode Not Supported. He's doing the same thing I've always done.
confidenceman 02-01-08, 12:50 AM You should probably check in with the display folks over in the display forums. I don't think this is a PS3-specific issue.
Shin CZ 02-01-08, 01:11 AM I think it is as when I had the TV, it displayed 1080p just fine on my 60gb ps3. Now that I sent the TV to him, his 80gb ps3 isn't working with the TV. Keep in mind that the 360 through the same HDMI inputs accept 1080p with no problem.
In any case, I already asked, and no one has said anything helpful.
ratcheer 02-03-08, 10:20 AM My guess is that something is wrong with his ps3 itself. Perhaps it's limited to the 80gb model? Like i mentioned, I had no issues with the 60gb and that tv.
I am using an 80 GB PS3 with 2.10 software and 1080p output via HDMI. No problems, here.
Tim
blurayer 02-03-08, 03:31 PM new to the forum. Need some advice. Had a PS3 as blu ray player. When i played Broken Arrow ouput to my model is 42 A0 1Hitachi 42 inch plasma at 1080p, I need to set the sharpness to - 15, that is all the way down to the left. Even at this setting, the image has vertical faint black bars throughout the entire image screen like this
I I I I I I I I I
if the sharpness is at 0, its worse, the more I minus the sharpness, the better. But -15 is the max. at this setting the black bars are very faint, but still noticeable.
even with the PS3 at 1080I output, the bars are there.
Is it becos blu ray is too sharp, and the tv is also sharp, such that the net result is this displayed?
can someone please advise?
My PS3 is 80 GB with 2.10 latest software
confidenceman 02-03-08, 06:52 PM new to the forum. Need some advice. Had a PS3 as blu ray player. When i played Broken Arrow ouput to my model is 42 A0 1Hitachi 42 inch plasma at 1080p, I need to set the sharpness to - 15, that is all the way down to the left. Even at this setting, the image has vertical faint black bars throughout the entire image screen like this
I I I I I I I I I
if the sharpness is at 0, its worse, the more I minus the sharpness, the better. But -15 is the max. at this setting the black bars are very faint, but still noticeable.
even with the PS3 at 1080I output, the bars are there.
Is it becos blu ray is too sharp, and the tv is also sharp, such that the net result is this displayed?
can someone please advise?
My PS3 is 80 GB with 2.10 latest softwareYou may need to try changing the RGB setting in the XMB. If it's set to limited, change it to full; and vice versa.
rentech 02-07-08, 05:07 PM I just got a PS3 (80gb) with 2.10 system software. I have this hooked up to my Sammy lns-4095D via HDMI. I see a lot of flickering, shivering at 1080P also. It is most noticeable on XMB screen with the default theme. The screen is fine at 720P but not at 1080P. I have the latest firmware loaded on the TV that allows me to do 1:1 mapping on 1080P "justscan". I have tried different HDMI cable and both the HDMI ports on the TV.
Edit: The screen also looks fine @ 1080i . The info shows the XMB screen to be running at 1080i @ 60hertz.
Spent a long time reading several threads and sites. Please help with some information if any of you guys faced this issue. I just need to know "yay" or "nay" for a fix.
A relief to see someone has exactly the same problem as me, though that doesn't help either of us out. I have just purchased a brand new Panny HDTV and 40gb PS3. Like you, all works fine until I set the PS3 to auto or select 1080p my self in custom. The problem shows itself on the XMB screen. If I get a game to run (720p) all is fine. If I get a 1080p DVD to play, all is fine. If I return to the XMB the jumping and interference is still there. It looks like the TV is having difficulty in holding the signal though I don't under stand why it is OK once a game or DVD is playing.
My first thought was that it is down to the length of my HDMI cable (10m) though other posts in this thread seem to indicate that trying different cables has not rectified the problem. How long is the cable you are using? I'm about to order a short one to give it a go.
If you manage to sort the problem please post back. Brand new TV, brand new PS3 so I should be really happy, but this is putting a right downer on it
gbr1ryder 02-07-08, 09:21 PM Hey Everyone,
I'm experiencing some unusual picture when playing Warhawk. When I pan left/right right/left or any fast-paced action that happens during the game I see the middle to upper portion of the screen jutter. You see distinct lines and then that portion of the screen jutter. It doesn't interrupt the game, but you can see the flicker out of the corner of my eye and when I'm trying to find it it's there big time!
I have a Pioneer 5010 hooked up with a Monster 800 cable.
Here are some things I've done to try and remedy the situation:
hardwired instead of wireless connection,
change the tv to game mode with pure cinema to ADVANCED
changed settings in ps3 to see what happens
I'm curious to know if others out there have experienced this, even if you have a different television. The pioneer 5010 is almost top of the line so this is beginning to bug me! Please help!@
thanks!
rentech 02-14-08, 01:06 PM Replacing the cable with a 1m one has completley cured my problem. Trouble is amp is still 10m away from PS3:confused:. Guess it was a cable problem or output level of PS3 is not what it should be or sensitivity of TV is not as it should be. Have exchange the 10m cable for a 7m one of a higher quality so hopefully when that arrives I will have the answer.
New cable and all working fine. Even have the 7m cable back under the floor with the other cable run and all OK
chloenator 02-16-08, 05:17 PM I have a PS3, HDMI question. I purchased a home theater and have a Sony VPL-AW15 projector and a 106" screen. I have a HDMI cable running from PS3 to tuner and another HDMI cable running from tuner to the projector. Am I wasting my time with the HDMI and would get the same results with component cables since projector is 720? I swear I notice a little difference with the HDMI but can't say I notice much. Any thoughts or comments?
confidenceman 02-16-08, 08:36 PM I have a PS3, HDMI question. I purchased a home theater and have a Sony VPL-AW15 projector and a 106" screen. I have a HDMI cable running from PS3 to tuner and another HDMI cable running from tuner to the projector. Am I wasting my time with the HDMI and would get the same results with component cables since projector is 720? I swear I notice a little difference with the HDMI but can't say I notice much. Any thoughts or comments?In terms of straight-up PQ, it depends who you ask (translation: trust your own eyes). More importantly, you won't be able to upscale SD-DVDs without HDMI.
The much bigger benefit, though, is going to be in the audio department. Since you have an HDMI-capable AVR, I'm guessing it's also got some decent audio capabilities. This will be your biggest noticeable payoff in using HDMI. All that aside, it'd also mean a much "cleaner" setup. I.e., you wouldn't need a separate optical cable for audio if you use HDMI.
Convince you yet? ;)
sebadooo 02-16-08, 11:25 PM Did Sony ever fix compatibility for TVs that only display 480i/1080i? I have a CRT HDTV that will only show HD in 1080i. I refuse to buy a next-gen console that will display in 480 when their competition, Xbox 360 has a built in scaler.
Anyways, I am considering buying a PS3 for their baseball game, if and ONLY if I can play next-gen games in high definition.
If this is a game specific question, I will be buying their baseball game (The Show), and mostly Ubisoft titles, with the occasional 2k Sports title.
Thank you.
confidenceman 02-16-08, 11:40 PM Did Sony ever fix compatibility for TVs that only display 480i/1080i? I have a CRT HDTV that will only show HD in 1080i. I refuse to buy a next-gen console that will display in 480 when their competition, Xbox 360 has a built in scaler.Sorry, no direct fix. From what I understand, the PS3 has a fairly limited hardware scaler.
However, most developers are now including 1080i/p scaling options, so just about every game released since October of last year has included a 1080i option. I'd guess that most games from here on out also include the option, but there are no guarantees yet. You'd be in good shape for all new games, but you'd be SOL for older ones.
What needs to happen is for Sony to strongly encourage (or require) developers to include it as an option.
sebadooo 02-17-08, 02:22 AM Thanks for your quick reply. For better or worse am a "latest and greatest only" guy so I won't be revisiting any "old" titles, so I guess I'll be okay for sports titles. Thanks again.
joetoronto 02-18-08, 06:57 AM I have a PS3, HDMI question. I purchased a home theater and have a Sony VPL-AW15 projector and a 106" screen. I have a HDMI cable running from PS3 to tuner and another HDMI cable running from tuner to the projector. Am I wasting my time with the HDMI and would get the same results with component cables since projector is 720? I swear I notice a little difference with the HDMI but can't say I notice much. Any thoughts or comments?
while there IS a difference between component and HDMI, it's just a matter of preference, both look great though.
you won't lose any audio quality by going with component and an optical cable, by the way, all you'll lose is the ability to to upscale SD-DVDs, like confidenceman said.
Oreyeon 02-19-08, 10:53 AM Hello. I am having a problem and it is very frustrating. My setup that I have is a Dell XPS420 desktop with the 512MB 8800GT Nvidia Card. I have a Dell W2606c 26" LCD TV that is HDCP compliant. And I have my PS3.
First off, I bought a Hardware DVI Switch. It has a DVI Out for the monitor and two DVI In ports, one for my PC and one for my PS3. You switch between the two by pressing in the 1 or 2 buttons on the front of the unit. It's a hardware switch, so it just mechanically changes the signal location for displaying on the TV. It was working fine and dandy on my other PC with Windows XP, but since I got my XPS420, I've been having issues. With both my PC and PS3 on, I switch back and forth normally. If I switch to the PS3, the monitor detects the signal and I can play my PS3 in High Definition Glory. When I switch back to the PC, I get that 'Da-Ding" sound from windows, and the picture does not come back. It's like Windows is trying to find the monitor, but can't. I also noticed that if I'm on the PC side, and I switch to the PS3, I hear that "Da-Ding" sound in windows that is saying the monitor was unplugged. So what I'm assuming is happening is just that. The switchbox cuts the connection and Windows believes the monitor was unplugged. When I switch back, it detects the connection again, but doesn't initialize the display, and I'm stuck with a black screen, and having to blindly shut windows down and restart in order to get a picture back. And sometimes that doesn't even work. I did not have this problem on my previous PC. My question on this front would be, is there a way to trick windows into not detecting when the monitor is unplugged or plugged back in, so that the video signal is never de-initialized?
In my time in trying to figure this out, I also bought a SmartView DVI Selector, which is like the KVM Dvi Switchboxes. It's a microprocessor controlled switch. It reckognizes the signal from the PC just fine, but when I hook the PS3 up to it, it does not reckognize the video signal from the PS3. I just get a black screen. Why would it not see the PS3? Does the switch box also need to be HDCP compliant?
Thank you for any insight anyone here can offer me. This has me pulling my teeth out.
I recently hook up my Panasonic TH42PZ77U to my pc so I can use my TV as a monitor (DVI to hdmi). After I set this up, my ps3 display a black screen using hdmi to hdmi connection. I tried using the hold down the ps3 power button trick. It doesn't work. When I hook ps3 up with the cable come with ps3. It displayed that it detected hdmi device but when I select it. It give me a black screen. If anyone know how to fix this, please reply.
Thanks in advance!
Using: Samsung 4665 and a PS3 over HDMI
After being incredibly pleased with my PS3 as both a Blu-Ray and DVD player for the last month, I've started to experience some problems that I believe can be attributed to the upconversion, HDMI signal integrity, or a combination of the two. Suddenly, many DVDs seem to be displaying at a quality below even regular DVD image. I'm seeing a lot of pixelation and obvious digital compression artifacts. It's obvious enough for my wife to comment "It looks like we're watching it on the computer." Blu-Ray images remain unchanged, and some DVDs appear to be correctly upconverted and displayed. How can I diagnose this problem? Where can I find a description of what the image would look like if this were a problem with the HDMI signal being perceived as corrupted.
Maveri9720 02-25-08, 10:35 PM I've got a quick question:
I plan on buying a PS3 in alittle while here and I was looking ahead to my connections on the back of my Pioneer VSX-1014TX. I only have 2 optical in's and both are used. 1 is for my Tivo and the other is my 60" SXRD audio out, so I don't have an open slot to directly connect the PS3 to my receiver. If I connected the HDMI cable from the PS3 to my SXRD, will the digital content be passed out of the audio out of my SXRD and into my receiver in full DD? The SXRD's speakers are off.
Excuse my ignorance regarding HDMI. I have no experience with them b/c I have only used components, so I know little about them. I am assuming this will work, b/c I have my OTA antenna connected to my tv and I use the digital audio out from the SXRD to my receiver and I get full DD. I just wanted confirmation that I will get full DD passed through the tv connected with HDMI to my receiver over the digital audio out, before I spend the money on the PS3.
Thanks for the help.
confidenceman 02-26-08, 12:12 AM How can I diagnose this problem? Where can I find a description of what the image would look like if this were a problem with the HDMI signal being perceived as corrupted.If you have an upconverting DVD player, you could hook that up and compare images. But since you say that some DVDs appear to be upconverting without a hitch, I'm guessing that you're just watching DVDs with bad transfers. Even upconversion can't save a bad transfer. I was just watching the SD DVD version of Transformers. Terrible transfer. Really terrible.
If I connected the HDMI cable from the PS3 to my SXRD, will the digital content be passed out of the audio out of my SXRD and into my receiver in full DD? The SXRD's speakers are off.Probably not. Very few TVs can pass a digital audio signal (analog's no problem).
The reason your antenna works for DD is because it's an analog connection (coaxial presumably); no HDMI or optical involved (actually, this isn't quite right, since the actual tuner is in your TV, so the cable isn't really passing an "audio" signal as such). For example, you could hook up your PS3 to your TV via component, and then you could pass RCA audio out to your receiver since that's analog to analog. But then you'd miss some nice audio from your PS3.
My question, though, is why do you have both a Tivo and an OTA antenna connected? I'm sure you've got a good reason for it, but that's your immediate problem. But if you want to keep that set up (which you probably do), you can invest in a switcher for your optical connections. Something like this from monoprice, for example:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10423&cs_id=1042302&p_id=2946&seq=1&format=2
Not sure how well it works, but that's a cheap and easy solution.
Maveri9720 02-26-08, 12:53 AM My question, though, is why do you have both a Tivo and an OTA antenna connected? I'm sure you've got a good reason for it, but that's your immediate problem. But if you want to keep that set up (which you probably do), you can invest in a switcher for your optical connections. Something like this from monoprice, for example:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10423&cs_id=1042302&p_id=2946&seq=1&format=2
Not sure how well it works, but that's a cheap and easy solution.
Thanks for the reply. The reason I have it connected this way is b/c I don't have an HD Tivo. It's only an SD Tivo, so it's connected via S-video. No components. So, it won't pass the OTA HD through S-video, hence I have to route it straight to the tv. Let me know if I am missing something here though. I had looked at similar optical splitters and most had crappy reviews about poor quality and eventual failure, so I didn't want to go that route.
Guess that doesn't leave me with any options now.
Thanks for the help.
confidenceman 02-26-08, 06:45 AM I was just watching the SD DVD version of Transformers. Terrible transfer. Really terrible.After doing some research, now I'm beginning to wonder if something is up with my upconversion settings.:(
According to most reviews I've read of the SD-DVD version, this should be a great transfer. But it really looks like ass. I haven't had any issues with getting other SD-DVDs looking great. And I don't think it's the uber-processed effect used to give the movie a grainy effect. It's a total lack of clarity. And I'm getting a bunch of crazy artifacting, as well.
You may have just ruined my day, tk2k.
I forgot to try turning off the upconversion and looking at the image. I'm going to try that tonight. I'd like to see if the compression artifacts disappear.
Ward216 02-28-08, 09:54 PM First off, I bought a Hardware DVI Switch. It has a DVI Out for the monitor and two DVI In ports, one for my PC and one for my PS3...It was working fine and dandy on my other PC with Windows XP, but since I got my XPS420, I've been having issues...My question on this front would be, is there a way to trick windows into not detecting when the monitor is unplugged or plugged back in, so that the video signal is never de-initialized?
Go to your video card driver and disable any "Plug & Play" or "Auto Detect" monitor settings. Select 'Default' for your monitor type, at which point you'll have to manually set your desired resolution and refresh rates. You're correct in assuming the driver is detecting a disconnect. If you can't figure out how to disable this you'll need to call Dell for level 2 tech support.
Slickcat 03-03-08, 06:57 PM I have a wired issue. MY ps3 is connected to Onkyo TX-SR605. Everything worked liked a champ for a month. Recently I am noticing that from time to time my PS3 displays HDMI cable detected and i have to go through setting up my connection all over again. Could this be a TX-SR605 switching issue or the HDMI Cable itself.
Thanks a lot
splinters 03-03-08, 07:15 PM I haven't heard of this one before on my ps3, so I would guess this is an Onkyo 605 thing that is happening.
What happens if you plug your ps3 directly into the tv, does it continue to have the same error? That's one way to determine the source of the error.
-Splints
confidenceman 03-03-08, 07:27 PM @Slickcat:
My PS3 and Onkyo 605 have been working flawlessly together for as long as I've had them both (about five months). It's nothing that's "normal" between these two components. Something's up.
Try the basics first: different cable, different connection, double-checking PS3 and AVR settings, etc.
Then move on to other things: it's possible that something could be going on with your PS3 or your AVR. Check their HDMI connectivity against other devices. Hook up your PS3 directly to your display and see if you get a similar response. Likewise, check another HDMI device other than your PS3 in that same HDMI connection on your 605. I suppose it's also possible that something's up with your display, but that's less likely given what you've described.
HDMI can be finicky, but I haven't noticed any similar issues between my 605 and PS3 (*knock on wood*).
shane1v 03-03-08, 11:34 PM I got the Nyko 9' HDMI cable thats supposed to be for the PS3.
My friend said it needs to do 12bit-1080p output/throughput to get max resolution from the 1080p TV.
*Does this cable enable the PS3 to play bluray movies/games at full 1080p resolution?
SAVholic 03-07-08, 01:20 PM problem with: Vizio VO47L
There is no dialogue in BD movies but you can hear the sound "effects", anyone experience this prob. with the same TV? by the way my samsung DVD player works fine. Thanks in advance!
Huskerfan 03-07-08, 02:50 PM Slickcat,
Some AVR's only pass through 720p and if you have your PS3 settings to read 1080p or 1080i then your AVR won't pass the signal through. Some games are different. Some games are played in 720p, some in 1080p, some in 1080i. Likewise, HD programming is the same way. If this is the case you need to set up your ps3 to only accept a max of 720p. I'd read your 605 manual to see if this is the case.
dgburns 03-11-08, 08:26 AM I got the Nyko 9' HDMI cable thats supposed to be for the PS3.
My friend said it needs to do 12bit-1080p output/throughput to get max resolution from the 1080p TV.
*Does this cable enable the PS3 to play bluray movies/games at full 1080p resolution?
Shane,
Does your "friend" work on commission and sell Monster or other such ridiculous cables?
The Nyko is just fine.
splinters 03-11-08, 01:33 PM problem with: Vizio VO47L
There is no dialogue in BD movies but you can hear the sound "effects", anyone experience this prob. with the same TV? by the way my samsung DVD player works fine. Thanks in advance!
Sounds like your using tv speakers and your BD is setup in 5.1 or 7.1 mode. Go back into your ps3 audio settings and uncheck all 5.1 and 7.1 modes if your using tv speakers.
The reason being is that the tv will decode the front left and right channels, but doesn't add in the center channel since it's a 5.1/7.1 signal.
-Splints
My friend said it needs to do 12bit-1080p output/throughput to get max resolution from the 1080p TV.
all HDMI cables, certified from 1.0 up to 1.3b, can transport 24-bit 1080p video signals.
There is no dialogue in BD movies but you can hear the sound "effects" ...
most dialogue is sent through the center channel. first check the connections and the speaker itself.
smallzfsu 03-24-08, 09:43 AM OK, so I have read alot of forum posts and nothing seems particularly close to the problems Im seeing.
I have my PS3 40GB hooked up to my Aquos 52D64U through HDMI. I originally had the PS3 set to output sound from the optical port to my receiver. I can play games* and blu-ray no problem (more on the asterisk in a second) but when I try to play HD trailers from the Sony Store (specifically Wall-e, Dragon Wars, and Black Hawk Down 1080p trailers), I lose the HDMI connection. What I notice is that the Input/resolution indicator on my TV "flashes" alot when this problem occurs. For example, Ill see the Input (my TV labels them from the device) flash up as PS3 - 1080p and then theres no picture but the sound still comes out of the optical port to my receiver. Here is what I have already tried to resolve this:
1.) Turn off PS3 and hold down the I/O button for 5 seconds, hear second Beep. It then asks me on the screen if I want video and Audio through HDMI, and gives me 1080p as the optimal setting. Go to play the trailers again, boom loses video and audio (not through optical anymore at this point)
2.) Change HDMI cables (and effectively inputs, as they are connected to different HDMI ports) and repeat step 1. trailers still lose audio and video.
3.) Use new HDMI cable connected to third HDMI port, repeat step 1, still lose audio and video when playing the trailers.
4.) Set 1080i as the only supported resolution from the PS3 (uncheck all others except the default of 480p) repeat step 1, still lose audio and video when playing the trailers.
Now as to the asterisk above, I _did_ lose the video one time (i have had this setup since Friday 3/21/08 at 5PM) while playing Resistance: FOM as the scene went from one of the pre-recorded sections of a pre-level (introduction to the level and watching my character run around before I have control of him). When I gained control of the player, the video was lost.
Theres two thing I intend to try over the next day:
1.) Bring my PS3 to a friends house and hook it up over HDMi to his TV
2.) Im going to go home tonight and download the trailers again but in the lower resolution format and see if the same thing happens.
3.) Copy some movie files from a DVD to my PS3 HDD and play them at 1080p see if the problem persists.
Anyone else have suggestions and or seen this issue before?
smallzfsu 03-25-08, 09:11 AM So I went home, and downloaded the movies in 720p (WALLe and Black Hawk Down) and they played ok, HDMI signal was not lost. However, I brought the PS3 to my dads house and attempted to play them on his Sony Bravia @ 1080p and they cut out on me.
I also tried to play R:FOM again last night and the HDMI signal cut out in the exact same spot as it had previously.
I downloaded MLB 08: The Show Demo, and tried to play that, threw about 4 pitches and the HDMI cut out.
Should I return this PS3 and try to get another one? Does this sound broken, or am I configuring something wrong? Help please!
splinters 03-25-08, 07:10 PM So I went home, and downloaded the movies in 720p (WALLe and Black Hawk Down) and they played ok, HDMI signal was not lost. However, I brought the PS3 to my dads house and attempted to play them on his Sony Bravia @ 1080p and they cut out on me.
I also tried to play R:FOM again last night and the HDMI signal cut out in the exact same spot as it had previously.
I downloaded MLB 08: The Show Demo, and tried to play that, threw about 4 pitches and the HDMI cut out.
Should I return this PS3 and try to get another one? Does this sound broken, or am I configuring something wrong? Help please!
Try unplugging and plugging the HDMI connection after the video/audio cutout. If the signal returns, it is likely a HDCP handshake issue, and I'm not sure what will resolve it, but component cables may be one answer. Not ideal, but possible workarounds. I would return the ps3 if you still can and try and get another one if you can.
-Splints
Hey guys. Going to get a PS3 real soon here. Any issues with the PS3 and a Samsung LN-T3253H using HDMI?
splinters 03-26-08, 01:39 PM Hey guys. Going to get a PS3 real soon here. Any issues with the PS3 and a Samsung LN-T3253H using HDMI?
I don't know of any, but I doubt anyone here would know. I would go to the display section and put up a post there. I really doubt there would be that many issues. Even if there were, you could always return the ps3 if it doesn't work with your display.
-Splints
smallzfsu 03-27-08, 09:06 PM Try unplugging and plugging the HDMI connection after the video/audio cutout. If the signal returns, it is likely a HDCP handshake issue, and I'm not sure what will resolve it, but component cables may be one answer. Not ideal, but possible workarounds. I would return the ps3 if you still can and try and get another one if you can.
-Splints
Thanks, I definitely tried that, but guess what? Exchanged the PS3, everything works fine now. What a relief!
solideliquid 04-05-08, 06:23 PM I have the Samsung Slimfit CRT 1080i television. Since most games have been developed in 720p am I getting significantly reduced PQ on this set? Since the set converts 720p signal to 1080i.
confidenceman 04-05-08, 07:52 PM I have the Samsung Slimfit CRT 1080i television. Since most games have been developed in 720p am I getting significantly reduced PQ on this set? Since the set converts 720p signal to 1080i.Totally depends on the quality of the scaler in the set. I'd wager that it's nothing close to "significant," and is probably barely noticeable if at all. Also, too, more and more games are coming out with 1080i capability. Since your set can accept and scale a 720p signal to 1080i, you'll be totally covered.
ShrikeT 04-07-08, 04:06 PM So I understand that some games that are 720p native will output at 1080p if you uncheck the 720p option in the PS3s settings. For those of you with 1080p sets, how would you compare scaling it this way to just letting your TV handle the 720-->1080p conversion? This is a question for people with relatively high end sets, like an XBR2.
andydumi 04-07-08, 04:27 PM So I understand that some games that are 720p native will output at 1080p if you uncheck the 720p option in the PS3s settings. For those of you with 1080p sets, how would you compare scaling it this way to just letting your TV handle the 720-->1080p conversion? This is a question for people with relatively high end sets, like an XBR2.
I have a high end Samsung LCD.
I would say it depends by the game but overall the TV does a very good job 720p to 1080p (usually more antialiasing in 720p version of games) than 1080i to 1080p (1080i has less antialiasing).
I tried exactly what you describe to see in a number of games (Resistance, Warhawk, COD4, GT Prologue, Heavenly Sword) and the difference is minuscule, if any, and the performance advantage was almost always with having the game output at native 720p. After all it was designed and optimized as such.
I would say trust the developers and your TV manufacturer unless you own something very low end.
splinters 04-07-08, 05:00 PM So I understand that some games that are 720p native will output at 1080p if you uncheck the 720p option in the PS3s settings. For those of you with 1080p sets, how would you compare scaling it this way to just letting your TV handle the 720-->1080p conversion? This is a question for people with relatively high end sets, like an XBR2.
I output in the native resolution and let my video processor (DVDO VP50) take care of the upscaling and signal clean-up. This is very much a function of the TV as to let the ps3 or the tv do it. If your tv is a high-end unit for it's class, it probably can do a pretty good job, but lower-end tv's are a real crap-shoot in terms of upscaling quality and you'll have to determine visually which you prefer.
-Splints
tuckers 04-15-08, 09:21 PM I have a friend who has nearly the same PS3/HDTV setup as I do. He connects a PS3 with a DVI adapter to his Sony GWIII Wega TV. We use the 1080i resolution on the PS3 and optical audio out to a receiver.
He just bought a Sony AVR in order to take advantage of the new PS3 firmware release (2.30) high definition audio formats.
He connected his PS3 to the AVR with an HDMI cable. And uses a HDMI to DVI cable to connect to his Sony GWIII TV.
The video is passed through without a problem, but when the TV is connected, the PS3 stops sending the audio. There is a message on the PS3 that this connection is not supported. So connect the TV, no audio, disconnect, audio starts again.
So obviously the HDCP is blocking the audio. Is there a way to work around this? Or are we screwed by Sony for our all Sony HT system?
listerone 04-23-08, 11:52 AM Tuckers...I'm not 100% certain of the point you're making but I do know that DVI doesn't carry audio,whereas HDMI does.So you might want to run an optical cable to handle the audio.
splinters 04-23-08, 01:49 PM Listerone,
I think the optical cable defeats the whole purpose of HDMI, he wants the lossless codec support. Also, he is hooking this up correctly with HDMI between the ps3 and the AVR and then HDMI->DVI cable from the AVR to TV (where there is no audio being sent anyways).
The only suggestion I could offer is to replace both of those cables with known good working ones to see what happens.
-Splints
Ward216 04-28-08, 06:33 PM Tuckers - have him check to see that he has the Sony AVR set to audio setting: AMP (vs TV or AMP+TV). If this should fail know that this prob is not just with Sony products, but with the implementation of HDMI interconnectivity industry wide.
-Ward
tuckers 05-01-08, 01:16 AM An update.
My friend was told by a salesperson at Magnolia that this was a Sony only problem, and that another brand of AVR would work. So he returned it and bought a Pioneer Elite reciever and it works. He really likes the Pioneer.
flyerfox 05-02-08, 02:25 AM I've had my PS3 for almost 18 months now and initially i was able to play with HD. But around 5 months back, i wasnt able to connect my ps3 to the tv with my hdmi cable. i'll give more specs on my tv when i get back. but its pissing me off since i cant play using hd.
anyone encountered the same problem before?
splinters 05-02-08, 03:09 PM It might be more helpful to give more details about your connection and how long it worked before it started failing.
First thing I would try is to replace the HDMI cable and see if that helps. If not, try a different HDMI port on your tv (if you have one). Next thing to try is to find another HDMI source (dvd upconverter, another ps3, etc) and see if it works with the same cable. Hopefully you can isolate it down to either your ps3 (in which case get it fixed either via warranty or otherwise), your HDMI cable (obviously replace if broken), or your tv (call your tv manufacturer for repair options).
-Splints
fcorona76 05-02-08, 04:27 PM edit: somehow I posted in the wrong thread...
kisypher 05-03-08, 09:53 AM has anyone tried to hook the PS3 to this display via HDMI? I can get a picture with composite cable but nothing with HDMI. I know all my HDMI ports and cables are working because I tested them with the satellite receiver's HDMI outputs and all is well on that end. I turn the PS3 on (using composite cable with HDMI also plugged in) and it says an HDMI device is detected....so I choose the option to feed the signals through HDMI and switch the TV to the HDMI input and get nothing. Then after 30 seconds I will get a picture through the composite input again. Am i doing something wrong?
splinters 05-03-08, 05:35 PM One thing to try out is to hold down the ps3' power button till you hear a double beep sequence. Leave only the HDMI connection and start up your ps3. It should auto-detect the HDMI and work that way.
The other possibility is your ps3's HDMI port is damaged somehow and I would return that to store for an exchange.
-Splints
kisypher 05-04-08, 09:07 PM One thing to try out is to hold down the ps3' power button till you hear a double beep sequence. Leave only the HDMI connection and start up your ps3. It should auto-detect the HDMI and work that way.
The other possibility is your ps3's HDMI port is damaged somehow and I would return that to store for an exchange.
-Splints
Thanks for the tips....it was the HDMI port on the PS3. I bought a new PS3 and everything works just as it should.
sharpeman 05-06-08, 09:59 PM Had my PS3 hooked to my 46XBR2 via HDMI no issues. Just purchased a 52XBR4, hooked up PS3 via HDMI, issue with Rock band. As the notes are coming down there is a shuttering/shaking, which makes it hard for your eyes to follow the notes. Do I need to set something up on the new TV to accept the PS3? I read somewhere there are different HDMI cables available? With the XBR4, do I need a "high pseed" cable to carry 120 mhz, or should one of my "overpriced" Monster HDMI cables work? Or am I just missing something? BTW, hooked the PS3 back up to the XBR2, and all is good. Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks !!!
why is everyone so concerned that their tv isnt/wont play games at 1080p? i think there is a total of 10 games that actually can be played at 1080p.
I have just set up my PS3 to my HD LCD TV using a HDMI cable. I am attempting to get the sound to pipe thru my 2 channel surr sound sys and I get nothing. I purchased a dynex cable - I have db checked my setting on my PS3 already. Please can someone help the novice guy?
Lord Axl 06-04-08, 08:39 AM Sorry if I didn't read all the thread :rolleyes:
To Denon 4306 owners :
I read that this amp can passthrough 1080p with PS3 with hdmi,can 4306 also handle 24hz?Thanks a lot for your answers ;)
splinters 06-04-08, 02:00 PM Sorry if I didn't read all the thread :rolleyes:
To Denon 4306 owners :
I read that this amp can passthrough 1080p with PS3 with hdmi,can 4306 also handle 24hz?Thanks a lot for your answers ;)
Better to ask the AVR forums (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=90) about 24fps/hz. Look for the denon specific forums.
-Splints
I'm having a HDMI handshake issue with my several year old Sammy (HLR 720P Model-has a HDMI input port). It works fine when I output the PS3 HDMI audio/video to it, but when I select DD 5.1 in the PS3 optical output (for feeding to my receiver) - which I believe turns off the audio in HDMI, the TV starts to have issues (screen flashes ON and OFF). Seems like the Sammy does not like a HDMI signal that doesn't have both audio/video. Any resolution for this? May just go to component. Thanks. SJ
Baconbeard 06-14-08, 01:05 PM I am sure this has been addressed, but I have scanned most of this thread without much luck.
I have a Sony KDS60A2000 and hooked up my PS3 for the first time. When I first put in the Rambo BD, I got sound but no picture. I went in and changed the 1080P/24 output to "off" instead of automatic, and it seemed to work after that, but I am not sure why I had to do that.
Also, when I put in GTA IV, it won't play at 1080P, only 720P. Any ideas why?
splinters 06-14-08, 05:06 PM I'm having a HDMI handshake issue with my several year old Sammy (HLR 720P Model-has a HDMI input port). It works fine when I output the PS3 HDMI audio/video to it, but when I select DD 5.1 in the PS3 optical output (for feeding to my receiver) - which I believe turns off the audio in HDMI, the TV starts to have issues (screen flashes ON and OFF). Seems like the Sammy does not like a HDMI signal that doesn't have both audio/video. Any resolution for this? May just go to component. Thanks. SJ
Very odd, Check and see if you have the 24fps/hz selection on "on" or "automatic" and switch it to off and see if that helps. Since you have 720p tv, did you select 1080i or 1080p? That also could throw things off.
-Splints
splinters 06-14-08, 05:10 PM I am sure this has been addressed, but I have scanned most of this thread without much luck.
I have a Sony KDS60A2000 and hooked up my PS3 for the first time. When I first put in the Rambo BD, I got sound but no picture. I went in and changed the 1080P/24 output to "off" instead of automatic, and it seemed to work after that, but I am not sure why I had to do that.
Also, when I put in GTA IV, it won't play at 1080P, only 720P. Any ideas why?
Both of these are considered "normal". The 1080p/24 selection is for high-end displays that supports 24hz input. All tv's support 60hz inputs since that is what broadcast tv (cable, ota, dish, etc) shows. 24fps is what they show in the movie theaters so only certain displays supports 24fps.
GTA4 is native resolution is 720p. If you uncheck 720p as a supported resolution on your ps3. It will then upscale GTA4, but the view won't be that much better since it is meant to be a 720p game.
-Splints
Baconbeard 06-14-08, 06:55 PM Both of these are considered "normal". The 1080p/24 selection is for high-end displays that supports 24hz input. All tv's support 60hz inputs since that is what broadcast tv (cable, ota, dish, etc) shows. 24fps is what they show in the movie theaters so only certain displays supports 24fps.
GTA4 is native resolution is 720p. If you uncheck 720p as a supported resolution on your ps3. It will then upscale GTA4, but the view won't be that much better since it is meant to be a 720p game.
-Splints
Thanks. How do you know what the native resolution for a game is?
Setup:
Phillips 42" 42PFL5332D/37 (2 HDMI ports)
Motorolla standard issue HD-DVR from Cox Communications
2 different HDMI cables
PS3, firmware 2.35
Ok, so for about 3 months everything was working perfectly. Then one day a few weeks ago, I go to turn on my PS3, and I get nothing but a scrambled picture on my TV (basically it's mostly snow, but sometimes it's different colored snow, some fragmented bytes, etc). The TV indicates what resolution it is receiving, and at this time it flops between "480i" and "VGA"...which seemed awfully odd to me.
So, I tried swapping ports on the tv, swapping hdmi cables, resetting the tv, resetting the video output on the ps3...everything I could think of. I tested my cable box on both ports on the TV, and it worked fine. I tested the cable box with both HDMI cables, and it worked fine. This led me to the conclusion that it is a problem with the ps3. So, I send it in for service, and they send me a new one (or refurbished, or mine with a clean harddrive).
I just got the ps3 back, and still no luck. I can connect the ps3 to the tv using composite cables (and probably component, but I haven't tried that yet). I've tried resetting everything I can think of, manually selecting each setting on both my TV and the ps3, and nothing. It still is (seemingly)trying to send a VGA signal through the hdmi port?!?
Any thoughts on what the problem is? Or more to the point, what the next trouble shooting step might be? My gut is telling me it's a handshake issue, but why did it creep up all of the sudden? It had been working fine for months.
Any tips would be appreciated.
splinters 06-17-08, 01:47 AM Thanks. How do you know what the native resolution for a game is?
hehe, google. :)
-Splints
splinters 06-17-08, 01:50 AM Setup:
Phillips 42" 42PFL5332D/37 (2 HDMI ports)
Motorolla standard issue HD-DVR from Cox Communications
2 different HDMI cables
PS3, firmware 2.35
Ok, so for about 3 months everything was working perfectly. Then one day a few weeks ago, I go to turn on my PS3, and I get nothing but a scrambled picture on my TV (basically it's mostly snow, but sometimes it's different colored snow, some fragmented bytes, etc). The TV indicates what resolution it is receiving, and at this time it flops between "480i" and "VGA"...which seemed awfully odd to me.
So, I tried swapping ports on the tv, swapping hdmi cables, resetting the tv, resetting the video output on the ps3...everything I could think of. I tested my cable box on both ports on the TV, and it worked fine. I tested the cable box with both HDMI cables, and it worked fine. This led me to the conclusion that it is a problem with the ps3. So, I send it in for service, and they send me a new one (or refurbished, or mine with a clean harddrive).
I just got the ps3 back, and still no luck. I can connect the ps3 to the tv using composite cables (and probably component, but I haven't tried that yet). I've tried resetting everything I can think of, manually selecting each setting on both my TV and the ps3, and nothing. It still is (seemingly)trying to send a VGA signal through the hdmi port?!?
Any thoughts on what the problem is? Or more to the point, what the next trouble shooting step might be? My gut is telling me it's a handshake issue, but why did it creep up all of the sudden? It had been working fine for months.
Any tips would be appreciated.
Well a HDCP handshake problem would be no signal, so something's happening. It sounds like a bad HDMI port from what your describing.
Did Sony say they found the problem and fixed something? Otherwise chances are they could have sent it back to you with "no problem found" hoping that things just clear up on their own.
If you haven't tried a factory reset, try that out, otherwise yeah call Sony Support and make sure they see the problem on their end.
-Splints
Well a HDCP handshake problem would be no signal, so something's happening. It sounds like a bad HDMI port from what your describing.
Did Sony say they found the problem and fixed something? Otherwise chances are they could have sent it back to you with "no problem found" hoping that things just clear up on their own.
If you haven't tried a factory reset, try that out, otherwise yeah call Sony Support and make sure they see the problem on their end.
-Splints
I believe the factory reset you are referring too is when you hold down the power button for X number of seconds and it turns on then off again, resetting various items? If that's the case, then yes I've tried that multiple times. If there is another reset i'm not familiar with, please elaborate.
Aside from that, I'm currently trying to get ahold of Sony (via email, can't call them right now) to see if I can get a record of what was found and/or done to my system. I have a feeling that they sent me a different machine though, meaning the problem would have to reside in two different PS3s, or it's not the PS3's fault (leaving the TV or the cables).
splinters 06-18-08, 01:12 AM That would be the factory reset. Good luck with Sony!
-Splints
mscappa 06-18-08, 04:53 PM I'm pushing 1080p out of the ps3 w/ hdmi into my 1140 and it looks pretty darn good. However, I noticed that I have a thin black border(1/4") on the sides when I play a normal dvd. They go away if I adjust the screen settings on the 1140 to stretch or zoom etc, but that looks like crap. Is their a setting i'm missing? What's ideal for watching movies/games on this pdp? has anyone experienced this? Can't recall if it happens on games or not, will have to check later tonight.
Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciated!
splinters 06-19-08, 01:42 PM What display settings are selected for your pioneer?
Also what upscaling setting do you have on the ps3? I would expect normal or off to evaluate what the normal view should be.
Also, are you viewing 16:9 content or 4:3?
-Splints
Doom878 06-20-08, 03:38 PM TV: Toshiba 62HM196
AVR: Sony CT-100
No issues yet. I've used a Philips HDMI cable from Wal-Mart that I used temporarily until my Monoprice cable came which has no issues as well. Should you have any questions please PM me as I will not be subscribing to this thread.
onepairofpant 06-21-08, 03:53 PM what settings you guys recommend for a older CRT RPTV set?
I have a older CRT RPTV set, its one of the best ones though, a Sony KP-57WV700 with DVI
Right now I have my PS3 hooked up with the Component cable and set it at 1080i (I figured the PS3's upscaler is better, tv's of this type only support 480i/p or 1080i anyways right?)
but I noticed I can use my HDMI -> DVI cable and run the audio through analog output, which is perfect for my set becuase my DVI input has analog input for it.
Also for my set, I know it doesn't support super whites, but RGB range should be full on the HDMI setting right?
You guys think I should just stick with with my current setup or I change it?
splinters 06-22-08, 02:47 AM The best video output would be HDMI->DVI cable and you can see what works, it's best to deliver digital output to the tv when you can. Component is a very good alternative if the HDMI->DVI cable doesn't work out.
As for superwhites and RGB range, this is best if you actually try it out and see what works best.
-Splints
vid33nyc1 06-22-08, 09:57 PM Anyone here have the PS3 hooked up to the Sony KD 34XBR970?About to buy a PS3 and want to know if there are any issues and what Resolution should i set the Ps3 at,720p or 1080i.Thanks
neurosis 06-23-08, 07:24 AM I'm having a HDMI handshake issue with my several year old Sammy (HLR 720P Model-has a HDMI input port). It works fine when I output the PS3 HDMI audio/video to it, but when I select DD 5.1 in the PS3 optical output (for feeding to my receiver) - which I believe turns off the audio in HDMI, the TV starts to have issues (screen flashes ON and OFF). Seems like the Sammy does not like a HDMI signal that doesn't have both audio/video. Any resolution for this? May just go to component. Thanks. SJ
Exact same problem here, but with a Sharp Aquos LC37D43U. Only thing that works for me is to use the TV to passthru audio (PS3 to TV w/ HDMI, then optical out of TV to receiver).
The problem is similar to the issue many Westinghouse owners have experienced, which I think was fixed w/ a firmware update.
Mongoos150 06-28-08, 05:23 PM Having a MAJOR issue. I've had my PS3 connected to my Samsung LN-S4095D for months via HDMI, no problems. I recently took it to a friend's house, using his HDMI cable to connect to his Samsung LCD (also 1080p), no problems.
Just came back home, and I am unable to see anything on HDMI. Even when re-setting the output settings (soft-resetting, holding button down until I hear two beeps). I can connect fine with an AV cable, but when changing the output to HDMI, I get no signal on my Samsung's HDMI input, however when I disconnect the cable, I get the message "Check cable connection."
This tells me the TV CAN see that something is connected, but I get no picture. I've re-booted both the TV and PS3 many many times. Once the picture came up on the PS3, but a few minutes later it reverted to "No signal." Is it possible this was an HDCP issue, and when I connected it with my friend's TV, using his HDMI cable (mine is monoprice, his is Monster), the HDCP settings were somehow tripped in the PS3? If so, why did it work that one time?
Mongoos150 06-29-08, 02:32 PM Bought a component cable today and same problem - "No Signal." Can anyone help me?!
splinters 06-30-08, 05:42 PM Have you tried the factory-reset? (Hold down the power button while the ps3 is in standby until you hear a multiple beep start-up)
If that doesn't work, call Sony.
-Splints
cheeweez777 07-07-08, 10:34 PM I just picked up a PS3 and hooked it up via HDMI to my Samsung LN-T4066F 1080P LCD. The PS3 refuses to recognize 1080p support. It only gives my up to 1080i. I get a "resolution not supported" type message. I have been running my XBOX360 HD-DVD in 1080p for some time with no trouble, and for kicks I even tried the PS3 Component cable and it was the same story-only 1080i. Any suggestions? This is driving me NUTS! Thanks in advance, guys!
kingpikey 07-10-08, 03:51 PM I've hooked up my PS3 to my Samsung LN-S4095D. Works great until I run it at 1080P. At 1080P, I running into alot of shimmering and flickering.
The shimmering and flickering isn't as noticeable when something is moving on the screen, like a game or movie.
But once the screen is filled with static images that's when you'll notice the problems. Is this a PS3 problem.. or is this my TV?
I'm getting the same problem with my new 40GB PS3 and 4095d. 1080p works, but I get this static / artifacting that is mainly noticeable on static images... text, non-moving lines... etc. 1080i works great, no problem. I've tried 4 different cables, and even hooked my PS3 up to my parents 50" Panasonic plasma, and 1080p works fine.
Is there any final answer on this? For the record I'm using firmware 2.41.
GoldenWheels 07-10-08, 04:15 PM I am having a HDMI issue myself, but in this case with a pass-through. (I did do a forum search for it, my apologies if this has been dealt with already.)
I recently purchased an Onkyo HT-S5100 HTIB. It has the HDMI pass-through feature. I got the thing home, and hooked both my DirecTV box and my PS3 up, through the HDMI pass through. Both worked splendidly, for several days. Games ran fine and dandy.
I popped in a Star Wars DVD about three days after hooking it up. Upon ejection of the disc, as the screen flashed and seemed to be switching from the non HD res of the disc to the 720 of my display, it went blank. Sound remained however, so I figured it was some sort of display issue. While the factory reset of the HDMI values seemed to do nothing, I was able to reconfigure the PS3 to HDMI manually by hooking up the included composites.
However after only about 10 minutes of GTA4, I lost picture again, and though I can fix it by my previous method, it is always a short term fix, and it flashed back to black.
After thinking about it for a while, I simply ran the PS3 right to the back of the TV as a double check...voila...works like a charm, no issues. So I assume it is a pass through issue with the Onkyo--however the passthrough worked flawlessly (had a good 6 hour GTA spree the first day) BEFORE the incident with the movie.
I am totally unfamiliar with pass throughs so maybe there is something obvious here I am missing. But the fact that the pass through worked so well originally (perhaps a fluke) until the movie incident makes me feel like it SHOULD work and something happened.
Any help is much appreciated. Part of the Onkyo purchase had to do with the simplicity of one button switches, and it really kills me that I am now have to do it the old way, as my TV has only one HDMI in. So I'm back to components. Sigh.
cheeweez777 07-10-08, 04:28 PM Well for those interested I believe I have resolved my issue. It appears the HDMI cable MUST be a 1.3a, as I am using one of those from the PS3 to my Denon AVR-987, but NOT from my Denon to TV. I went hard line to the TV with the 3ft. 1.3a cable and it recognized it right away (as opposed to when I went hard line with the older cable, it did not, which is what leaves me to believe it is old cable...). Off to the store to get a new HDMI cable. :D
splinters 07-10-08, 04:48 PM I am having a HDMI issue myself, but in this case with a pass-through. (I did do a forum search for it, my apologies if this has been dealt with already.)
I recently purchased an Onkyo HT-S5100 HTIB. It has the HDMI pass-through feature. I got the thing home, and hooked both my DirecTV box and my PS3 up, through the HDMI pass through. Both worked splendidly, for several days. Games ran fine and dandy.
I popped in a Star Wars DVD about three days after hooking it up. Upon ejection of the disc, as the screen flashed and seemed to be switching from the non HD res of the disc to the 720 of my display, it went blank. Sound remained however, so I figured it was some sort of display issue. While the factory reset of the HDMI values seemed to do nothing, I was able to reconfigure the PS3 to HDMI manually by hooking up the included composites.
However after only about 10 minutes of GTA4, I lost picture again, and though I can fix it by my previous method, it is always a short term fix, and it flashed back to black.
After thinking about it for a while, I simply ran the PS3 right to the back of the TV as a double check...voila...works like a charm, no issues. So I assume it is a pass through issue with the Onkyo--however the passthrough worked flawlessly (had a good 6 hour GTA spree the first day) BEFORE the incident with the movie.
I am totally unfamiliar with pass throughs so maybe there is something obvious here I am missing. But the fact that the pass through worked so well originally (perhaps a fluke) until the movie incident makes me feel like it SHOULD work and something happened.
Any help is much appreciated. Part of the Onkyo purchase had to do with the simplicity of one button switches, and it really kills me that I am now have to do it the old way, as my TV has only one HDMI in. So I'm back to components. Sigh.
Well first thing to do is to isolate the problem. Try plugging the ps3 directly to your tv and see if that shows the problem or not. Then swap to the other cable and see if that works as well.
If both works, than it is likely your AVR is having pass-through problems and you probably check with Onkyo support for what they can offer you.
If either of the cables that are connecting the ps3 directly to the tv show problems, replace the cable. (e.g. Monoprice if you didn't already know).
-Splints
GoldenWheels 07-10-08, 04:59 PM Well first thing to do is to isolate the problem. Try plugging the ps3 directly to your tv and see if that shows the problem or not. Then swap to the other cable and see if that works as well.
If both works, than it is likely your AVR is having pass-through problems and you probably check with Onkyo support for what they can offer you.
If either of the cables that are connecting the ps3 directly to the tv show problems, replace the cable. (e.g. Monoprice if you didn't already know).
-Splints
Thanks for the advice. I will do a lil cable switching/testing when I get home.
One thing your mention of the cords themselves reminded me of (which I hadn't really considered until now) was that my INs are two new Phillips ones i just purchased...cheapies, but they do work. My OUT to the TV however is an older Phoenix Gold that I had already. I know there are different versions of HDMI...could this be an issue as well? (perhaps I am reaching here...my Cable goes in with the Phillips and seems to have no issue sending out to the TV on the PG cord, at all...but perhaps PS3 is a different sort of beast?)
Probably another newb Q but why not...is there a distance max for HDMI cables? I thought I had read that somewhere, and between two six foot cables and the pass through maybe there is a signal issue?
splinters 07-10-08, 08:21 PM HDMI cables are usually pretty much good for all video and audio, but some poorly made cables can degenerate over time and cause problems.
Good cables can be found for cheap (e.g. Monoprice, Blue Jeans, etc), I'm not sure you need to get "HDMI 1.3a certified" or not, but if it makes you feel better, you can make those companies very happy.
-Splints
kingpikey 07-10-08, 08:22 PM I'm getting the same problem with my new 40GB PS3 and 4095d. 1080p works, but I get this static / artifacting that is mainly noticeable on static images... text, non-moving lines... etc. 1080i works great, no problem. I've tried 4 different cables, and even hooked my PS3 up to my parents 50" Panasonic plasma, and 1080p works fine.
Is there any final answer on this? For the record I'm using firmware 2.41.
Can anyone offer any insight? I've been googling this problem for 4-5 days now with no leads as to the true nature of my problem, much less a solution.
flabingo 07-12-08, 12:11 PM I am told that HDMI 1.3 must be catagory 2 for 1080P. Is there a way to identify what are my existing cables. I purchased 1.3 catagory 2 from Monoprice and I wonder if I should replace my exisitng cables so that all my connections from my DVR and PS3 to the receiver and back to the TV are all 1.3 catagory 2. There is another issue of 24AWG or 28AWG but I do not think that matters
60GB PS3 connected to a Sony KDL-52WL135 using a monoprice "1.3b" cable that was under $10 with good results. I've had it over a month now and PQ is excellent (no ghosting/streaking when using the gaming mode).
vid33nyc1 07-13-08, 02:17 PM 60GB PS3 connected to a Sony KDL-52WL135 using a monoprice "1.3b" cable that was under $10 with good results. I've had it over a month now and PQ is excellent (no ghosting/streaking when using the gaming mode).
Do you have a link?I havent seen 1.3b cables on monoprice.com before,only 1.3a.
Ward216 07-14-08, 05:56 AM ...There is another issue of 24AWG or 28AWG but I do not think that matters
Only if you need to bend the cable...:D
24awg in wall cables are very stiff. I run 28awg (25ft) to my projector at 1080p with no sparkles or drop outs.
Do you have a link?I havent seen 1.3b cables on monoprice.com before,only 1.3a.
I think that was a typo. A site search of Monoprice shows no 1.3b cables.
splinters 07-14-08, 12:55 PM HDMI 1.3b is just the latest testing spec, from the HDMI org:
http://hdmi.org/learningcenter/kb.aspx#112
Given monoprice's reputation, I wouldn't worry about 1.3b not being a cable available for purchase.
-Splints
Q. What is the difference between HDMI 1.3 and HDMI 1.3a, or 1.3b?
For consumers, there is no difference between HDMI version 1.3 and 1.3a or 1.3b. These minor revisions to the specification typically relate to manufacturing or testing issues and do not impact features or functionality. In addition, HDMI Licensing, LLC is actively working with manufacturers to reduce confusion for consumers by de-emphasizing version numbers and focusing instead on product features and functionality.
For Adopters, the latest HDMI Specification is v1.3a and the latest HDMI Compliance Test Specification (CTS) is 1.3b1.
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