i have a samsung ln-4095d and was wondering is the vga would help the pichture, i would also like to add thr HD DVD add on. i dont know much about vga and wanted some opinions... also ive looked for them and cant find them anywhere does anyone know where to get them?

The VGA gives me a sharper image, plus parts of the screen are not cut off (such as the HUD in GRAW). However, you wont get the vibrant, punchy colors that you get when using component.

I've calibrated both component and VGA xbox 360 output with my set, and they both pop nicely with vibrant colors and a great image. A lot of people say that xbox 360 VGA suffers from washed out colors, but it must be something specific to certain television models.

I switched back to component on my Sceptre lcd because I got tired of the washed out blacks. If you use VGA, your blacks will be grey. The muted colors are there, but did not bother me much...

VGA does provide a cleaner more artifact free image, though.

My advice, VGA is a waste of money unless you want to attach your 360 to a PC monitor that does not have component.

I switched back to component on my Sceptre lcd because I got tired of the washed out blacks. If you use VGA, your blacks will be grey. The muted colors are there, but did not bother me much...

VGA does provide a cleaner more artifact free image, though.

My advice, VGA is a waste of money unless you want to attach your 360 to a PC monitor that does not have component.


I have the Sceptre 42 inch. Have you calibrated yours with Avia or DVE or similar? I'm just not seeing the difference after calibration.

I have an HP LC3700N LCD.

I went to the VGA and luckily my TV allows me to adjust my colors on PC input. Just so you know, though, I just got the HD-DVD add-on and I'm having a heck of a time getting my colors calibrated through the VGA connection.

I'm finding that jacking up my RGB colors and saturation is causing HD-DVD movies to have more of what I can only describe as vibrant graininess. I can get rid of it, but at the cost of teh nice saturated colors and crisp image.

Hopefully I'll either figure something out or I may end up giong back to component. I do have to say that my GoW looks awesome with the calibrated VGA colors.

I have the Sceptre 42 inch. Have you calibrated yours with Avia or DVE or similar? I'm just not seeing the difference after calibration.

rpete,

I'm a newb here so could you enlighten me as to what exaclty Avia and DVE are, which is better for calibration, and where I can find them?

Thanks,
j

i guess i should just wait and hope they come out with some type of hdmi input... does the hd dvd drive just stay connected through the component cables i already have?
the only reason it sounds so enticing is because i keep reading people saying that it really improves gears of war

i guess i should just wait and hope they come out with some type of hdmi input... does the hd dvd drive just stay connected through the component cables i already have?
the only reason it sounds so enticing is because i keep reading people saying that it really improves gears of war


Yes it plugs into the 360 via USB and outputs via components....

VGA improved my picture in Gears to dark and smeary via components.

I switched back to component on my Sceptre lcd because I got tired of the washed out blacks. If you use VGA, your blacks will be grey. The muted colors are there, but did not bother me much...

VGA does provide a cleaner more artifact free image, though.

My advice, VGA is a waste of money unless you want to attach your 360 to a PC monitor that does not have component.


not at all true. with vga, my blacks are quite nice. nice vibrant colors too. to be honest, it doesn't look any different from component to me on my set, but at the very least it frees up another 1080p component connection for me...

Why does it seems like 90% of the people that buy the VGA cable have no idea where to find the calibration menu for their display? I can assure you that the colors are just as colorful and the blacks are just as black as component. (For my set, all I had to do was drop the green gain down a bit to get vibrant and natural colors on HD-DVD.)

The benefits of the VGA cable are a much sharper image, no color bleeding, and almost no overscan. Whether those improvements are worth $40 to you is what's important. (It certainly was for me because my component inputs had a ground looping issue that going to VGA eliminated.)

:)

Umm... PC RGB probably means VGA. Is it the same connector? Or is it a trio of b-n-c's?

Xhonzi

Umm... PC RGB probably means VGA. Is it the same connector? Or is it a trio of b-n-c's?

Xhonzi
Well it looks like the same type, just that the cc site says in the specs that it doesnt have a vga. Also I think it might not be possible for my tv sxrd a2000 to do 1080i over vga. It is kind of hard to find this out since the owners thread is over 200 pages of people mostly talking about green globs. lol
thanks for the reply.

Hello, i am not sure where to find the information i am looking for so i thought i would ask. I have been searching the forums with no success. Does anyone know how to connect a Nvidia GeForce 7800 GS to a projector through a component cable? i have purchased the cable from VGA to component but i am not getting a signal through. Is there something else i need to configure? Thanks for the help or direction.

I bought the VGA cable to free up my component connection for my PS2 (need to finish FFXII) and Wii (whenever those damned cables become available). I went to hook it up and couldn't figure out where to plug the Red/White audio cables. I'm looking to use the TV as my audio output device and from glancing at the manual, it looks like the only input I can use for audio using VGA is what looks like the cable you would plug into a computer sound card. Am I correct in thinking that this is the only plug in the TV that will match the audio and VGA video on the same input? If so, I guess I just go to Radio Shack and get some RCA to stereo plug adapter... How do you guys with this TV handle your audio?

--Brian

I bought the VGA cable to free up my component connection for my PS2 (need to finish FFXII) and Wii (whenever those damned cables become available). I went to hook it up and couldn't figure out where to plug the Red/White audio cables. I'm looking to use the TV as my audio output device and from glancing at the manual, it looks like the only input I can use for audio using VGA is what looks like the cable you would plug into a computer sound card. Am I correct in thinking that this is the only plug in the TV that will match the audio and VGA video on the same input? If so, I guess I just go to Radio Shack and get some RCA to stereo plug adapter... How do you guys with this TV handle your audio?

--Brian

The Microsoft VGA cable comes with an RCA to mini plug adapter for just this purpose. I don't know whether the third party VGA suppliers do this as well.

The Microsoft VGA cable comes with an RCA to mini plug adapter for just this purpose. I don't know whether the third party VGA suppliers do this as well.

Holy hell... I must have torn open the box and ripped the cable out so fast I didn't even see this thing. I'll have to look again when I get home. Without you telling me, I never would have known!

Holy hell... I must have torn open the box and ripped the cable out so fast I didn't even see this thing. I'll have to look again when I get home. Without you telling me, I never would have known!

Its in a neon green plastic bag.
Miniplug to RCA audio on one side and a VGA gender-changer on the other.

I have been doing an A/B comparison of VGA vs Component on my new 32" 1360x768 Sceptre. There is no doubt that it looks better on component. I can get the colors to match, but the picture just looks much sharper on component with this TV. I have a theory that the TV scales the picture to 1366x768 because I can't see the 6 columns (maybe 3 on each side) if I did have 1:1 pixel.

At first I just assumed VGA was better. DVD's looked awesome, but HD-DVD's just didn't have that POP I was getting on my plasma (using component). Now I connected the component cables and it was immediately sharper and the colors much more vibrant. I switched back to VGA and played around with the saturation and colors until it looked similar. Still, it wasn't as sharp. The letters were obviously not as sharp on the words "xbox live". I swtiched back to component, played King Kong in HD-DVD and was can honestly say that POP was back.

Maybe it depends on the TV, but I'm staying with component.

It does depend on the tv. This was discussed before, but it works perfect if your tv has a PC and AV mode over your analog inputs (or even dvi). My Sharp Aquos is connected via a vga to dvi adapter, and I have the option of using an analog pc or analog av setting. The PC lets you pick the native res via the 360 dash, and the AV only works at HDTV res (1280x720 and 1920x1080). The AV setting is where its at though. I keep the color, but gain the sharpness.

i purchased a 1080p tv... is it true you cant get 1080p through component but only the vga?

you cant fill the full screen using VGA if your TV supports a higher resolution......
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[QUOTE=jocktheglide]you cant fill the full screen using VGA if your TV supports a higher resolution......
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im not sure i know what you mean...
i have a 1080p tv and plan on adding the hd drive, does this make a difference

[QUOTE=jocktheglide]you cant fill the full screen using VGA if your TV supports a higher resolution......
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im not sure i know what you mean...
i have a 1080p tv and plan on adding the hd drive, does this make a difference

cause ithought 1080p wasnt possible through component

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cause ithought 1080p wasnt possible through component

360 1080P is possible over component, just most TVs do not accept 1080P over component. If your TV will accept a 1080P signal over component than the xbox360 will send it just fine.

I was wondering the 15 pin hdvga Xbox use's is the same as 14 pin svga computers have. Any 1 know what the extra pin is for by the way? I have a svga cable in my wall and was wondering if i need to change it to a 15 pin. Thanks Jesse

I have a Mitsu WD-73831 and I had run my xbox thru components until I get my VGA cable, which was about 2 hours? There is a was a noticable difference in color, clarity, and what now when changing to the VGA and it was for the WORSE. To say things looked wrong was an understatement, blacks were gray, reds were pinkish, and it got worse down the line. First thing I did after that was recalibrate for that input. The HD-DVD looks by far nicer after my calibrations, blacks are back to black and reds are vibrant as ever. There is no way I would go back to the components, in my eyes it is that much better looking with the VGA hook up. It did take some time to get everything right though, but it was well worth it.

ok, everyone keep saying 1080p over component works. i thought i would clarify.


yes, if your tv supports it, GAMES will be in 1080p. not dvd's and not hd-dvd. you need VGA to upscale reg DVD's and you need VGA to get HD-DVD in 1080p.

that being said. i prefer VGA for games too, WITH MY SET (yours may be different) i get darker blacks via VGA and this is important because i have an LCD. with calibration i can match the colors WITHOUT the oversaturation i see on component (some peoples eyes think this oversaturation is "great color") and with that said, it's personal preference.

i personally love the dvd upconversion (even though i own the oppo) and i like the darker blacks and more natural color.

i think it would be impossible to take all the advice from a forum, and pick from there. hell if you go to best buy you can buy the vga cable, and if you dont like it, take it back, tell them it looks like crap, and you'll get your money back.

and for god sakes, stay away from psyclone and mad catz cables, whatever route you choose.

yes, if your tv supports it, GAMES will be in 1080p. not dvd's and not hd-dvd. you need VGA to upscale reg DVD's and you need VGA to get HD-DVD in 1080p.



True, but not entirely accurate. Most games for the Xbox 360 were created for 720p maximum resolution. Some newer games are expecting to go to 1080p, but right now, the majority of the library is 720p.

So, setting your Xbox to 1080p will work fine, it will upscale your games to fit on your 1080p screen (and 1080i for that matter), but just remember, not all games are actually 1080i/p, they're just upscaled that way.

good luck, I have yet to decided VGA or component, i don't want to waste the $50 or whatever the cables costs, I'm at component and i love it, If i buy the HD-DVD player, maybe I'll upgrade, but my TV only has one VGA input, and my PC is currently hooked up to it, so I have lots of wiring issues i'll have to figure out if i go with the HD-DVD (maybe i'll wait for the 'new/rumored' 360 with the HDMI outputs..)

yes, if your tv supports it, GAMES will be in 1080p. not dvd's and not hd-dvd. you need VGA to upscale reg DVD's and you need VGA to get HD-DVD in 1080p.

i think it would be impossible to take all the advice from a forum, and pick from there. hell if you go to best buy you can buy the vga cable, and if you dont like it, take it back, tell them it looks like crap, and you'll get your money back.

and for god sakes, stay away from psyclone and mad catz cables, whatever route you choose.

I think this needs to be stickied. This question gets asked about one a week. Everyone just needs to realize VGA seems to be a big "YMMV".

Also, if you're looking for cheap 360 VGA cables check out Play-asia.com. I got mine from them for around $14 shipped and it works fine. It has an optical output as well. I didn't want to spend $40 on something that I wasn't sure would be an improvement.

OK, leave it to me to dumb it down here of course. So the VGA is the PC input in my Sammy DLP, right? And that doesn't come from the 360 or Add-on since I see no VGA output. So it transfers from my PC? Could someone go back to 6th grade here and tell me the concepts of the HD-DVD vga thing? Thanks for your patience! :confused:

And since it was mentioned the results vary with the sets, are Sammy DLP's in the good for VGA camp?

I have a Samsung DLP

OK, leave it to me to dumb it down here of course. So the VGA is the PC input in my Sammy DLP, right? And that doesn't come from the 360 or Add-on since I see no VGA output. So it transfers from my PC? Could someone go back to 6th grade here and tell me the concepts of the HD-DVD vga thing? Thanks for your patience! :confused:

The "PC" input on our TVs is the "VGA". It will plug into the back of your 360 where the component cables do. Power down the 360 between swapping out component and VGA. I tried to do a comparison while the 360 was running, and my 360 didn't like it! (blinking red lights lol)

And since it was mentioned the results vary with the sets, are Sammy DLP's in the good for VGA camp?

I used to think VGA looked better....but now I honestly like component a lot better. You still get games in 1080p. Movies via HD DVD on our TV's look just as sharp at 1080i as 1080p from the 360. Our TVs do a damn good job at de-interlacing.

Thanks for responding Talylar.

For those of you that use the VGA cable, how does the upscaling quality on DVDs compare to what else you may have available. I'm particularly interested to how it compares to the ever present Oppo.

If I could save myself from purchasing another "unit" and just buy a cable instead that would rock.

And since it was mentioned the results vary with the sets, are Sammy DLP's in the good for VGA camp?


I hooked up the vga to my sammy hlr4667 the other day and I was impressed with the PQ. I immediately noticed an increase in clarity/sharpness in the dashboard. When I played games I thought the contrast looked better to my eyes as well. The colors did seem slightlty less vibrant than component but with these sets you can adjust vga colors unlike some others. On top of that the cable also upconverts dvds to 720 and they look pretty good now. Not quite HD but better than before. So, thumbs up for vga on my set!

I don't see the VGA input in the back of the 360! What is my problem? :confused:
Thanks for responding as well Demon.

Ok, I see them. Are there different sizes of vga ports and cables? My PC input into my DLP is bigger than the little output vga port on the 360. Are some cables dual sized input/output connectors? My PC input into the set is almost as big as a DVI port?

Ok, I see them. Are there different sizes of vga ports and cables? My PC input into my DLP is bigger than the little output vga port on the 360.

I'm not sure what you're looking at on the back of your 360, but you only have one A/V output. The cables you buy will all have the same connector on the 360 end. It's the other end that will determine whether it's VGA, component, etc.

True, but not entirely accurate. Most games for the Xbox 360 were created for 720p maximum resolution. Some newer games are expecting to go to 1080p, but right now, the majority of the library is 720p.

So, setting your Xbox to 1080p will work fine, it will upscale your games to fit on your 1080p screen (and 1080i for that matter), but just remember, not all games are actually 1080i/p, they're just upscaled that way.

good luck, I have yet to decided VGA or component, i don't want to waste the $50 or whatever the cables costs, I'm at component and i love it, If i buy the HD-DVD player, maybe I'll upgrade, but my TV only has one VGA input, and my PC is currently hooked up to it, so I have lots of wiring issues i'll have to figure out if i go with the HD-DVD (maybe i'll wait for the 'new/rumored' 360 with the HDMI outputs..)
You can get a VGA switching box for next to nothing nowadays.........I use it for my 360 and Dreamcast on my Panny plasma.......works great.....cost me $8

You can get a VGA switching box for next to nothing nowadays.........I use it for my 360 and Dreamcast on my Panny plasma.......works great.....cost me $8

Thanks for the solution offer, but i'm trying to use my tv and pioneer receiver to do all the switching necessary, i'd rather not have to manually switch anything (which is why i'm in the early stages of developing my own solid state, scalable, multi-format (hdmi/vga/component/coax etc) IR controlled switching device, much easier to design than i thought. ;)

I'm looking at the Mitsubishi WD-57831 and while it doesn't have a VGA connector, it does have a PC-DVI. Do you think I would have problems using the 360 VGA cable and connecting to the TV via a VGA-DVI adapter? The prospect of 1080p is very appealing, and if this would work then I'll likely jump on the deal ASAP (1080p PS3 via HDMI and 1080p 360 would be heaven).

Thanks!

I'm looking at the Mitsubishi WD-57831 and while it doesn't have a VGA connector, it does have a PC-DVI. Do you think I would have problems using the 360 VGA cable and connecting to the TV via a VGA-DVI adapter? The prospect of 1080p is very appealing, and if this would work then I'll likely jump on the deal ASAP (1080p PS3 via HDMI and 1080p 360 would be heaven).

Thanks!You will need an adapter which is not furnished but which is readily available -- VGA to DVI --- and you will need a pair of audio cables RCA-male to RCA-male.

LOL -- I just noticed your question was "will I have a problem" -- so the quick answer should be "No. No problem."

The instructions are to hook computers to PC-DVI regardless of the computer output. Even if the computer has an HDMI output, you are instructed to use an adapter to connect the HDMI output from the computer to the PC-DVI input on the television.

A Belkin cable assembly which would do what you want for the video is F2E4151x10 which costs about $48 MSRP. You can get an adapter such as F2E4162 which costs about $18 MSRP if you already have a cable to go from the VGA out to a monitor. But many monitors use captive cables, so you may not have one. The cable solution above is a nice way to do it and you can probably find a better price.

From Mitsubishi, you can download the owners manual (abt 11 MB).

I'm too newbie to be allowed to post the link. :confused: So, go to mitsubishi-tv

You will need a dot and a com after that and maybe a few "w"s ahead of it and then:

Click on "Support" and then click (probably twice) on "OWNER'S GUIDES"

On that page, select "Microdisplay Televisions" in column one; "2007" in column two; "WD-57831" in column three and then right-click and save target as on the link for the "WD-27831 Owner's Guide"

You could just open it, but you'll want to look at more things. Anyway, go to page 90 which shows the hookup you intend. The entire (short) chapter 7 which begins on page 87, may be of interest. It shows the various connections possible and the cabling required and then talks about how to set the computer output for various resolutions.

I'm about to buy a 57831 also having given my wife the "trust me" lecture last night and she said OK.

By the way, the guide you will see is the same for all three Diamond DLP sets (57", 65" and 73"). The xx731 sets have a slightly different guide, but the computer hookup is the same for them.

Good luck to us both! Hope we enjoy and have good luck. I'm buying from a local dealer who will deliver and set up. Lucky for me he's in a different county and will charge only the state tax.

i have a samsung ln-4095d and was wondering is the vga would help the pichture, i would also like to add thr HD DVD add on. i dont know much about vga and wanted some opinions... also ive looked for them and cant find them anywhere does anyone know where to get them?

I have this same TV, and have found VGA to be superior. With some tweaking it looks just as bright/vibrant as component, and much sharper. Just make sure you do the PC Auto Adjustment, when a game is running, so that it calibrates correctly, and you'll probably want ot play with the brightness contrast as well. But it looks amazing.

Hey Cadillac, thanks for the help :)

I just need to find the TV now, so I can really ramp up the discussions with my wife! I'm still in XBR1 "green blob" limbo, though I have a feeling she's beginning to bend. I'm just eager for the full 1080p, and the jack pack on the Mits WD-xx831 is too compelling to pass up (not to mention the better color uniformity on DLP's as well).

Thanks again!

I have a Samsung DLP

I used to think VGA looked better....but now I honestly like component a lot better. You still get games in 1080p. Movies via HD DVD on our TV's look just as sharp at 1080i as 1080p from the 360. Our TVs do a damn good job at de-interlacing.

I'm curious why you think component looks better. Is it because VGA doesn't carry the YCrCb color image?

A friend of mine just bought the same TV you have and I thought the VGA looked outstanding... even without calibrating his TV (he hasn't had a chance to) and just using the Samsung "movie" mode.

Anything you can offer, I'll send it his way so he can get the best possible picture for his setup.

i purchased a 1080p tv... is it true you cant get 1080p through component but only the vga?


Depends on the TV. My TV (52xbr3) does allow 1080p via the component inputs.

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I'll leave it up to you to verify that 'Video 6' is a component input.

You will need an adapter which is not furnished but which is readily available -- VGA to DVI ---

You sound like you know what you're talking about (and we can assume that most people reading this will too) but I wanted to clarify that VGA to DVI "adapters" (dongles) don't really adapt anything but shift some pins. The DVI spec has room for a digital signal (the "proper" DVI signal) as well as an analogue (for legacy support as much as anything, I suppose). When you plug the dongle into your PC, it shifts the analogue pins from the DVI connector to a VGA pin out. It won't do anything for/with a digital signal. Some video cards sense if the monitor that is plugged in is digital or analogue (through EDID) and only send that signal, while others apparently send both signals simultaneously.

At any rate, I'm guessing someone here has the TV and knows for sure wether this works, but that TV would have to detect both for a digital signal (also called DVI-D) and display that or the analogue (called DVI-A) and display that. I would be a little surprised to see the TV work that way... but it's not impossible.

Last word: check with someone that owns the TV and uses it with the dongle and ensure that it works that way before you bank on it.

Xhonzi

You sound like you know what you're talking about .... Some video cards sense if the monitor that is plugged in is digital or analogue (through EDID) and only send that signal, while others apparently send both signals simultaneously.

At any rate, I'm guessing someone here has the TV and knows for sure wether this works, but that TV would have to detect both for a digital signal (also called DVI-D) and display that or the analogue (called DVI-A) and display that. I would be a little surprised to see the TV work that way... but it's not impossible.

Last word: check with someone that owns the TV and uses it with the dongle and ensure that it works that way before you bank on it.

XhonziNot really sure about the TV or the 360. I agree the "adapter" is just a pin-swapper, but it is still necessary unless one wants to pin little-bitty wires into little-bitty holes! :)

Anyway, the TV Owner's Guide says the PC-DVI input accepts digital or analog video. With regard to computer input, it says:

4. Press MENU to open the Main menu, highlight the
NetCommand icon, and press ENTER.
5. Highlight the PC-DVI text box and press to change
the setting to match your computer’s video signal
type, either Digital or Analog. (p.88)
Presumably, the 360 output is digital and he will use the digital setting. When I get my TV, I still won't know for sure because I don't have a 360 and probably my discussion with the wife last night did not cover game boxes. (I don't mind living on "the edge", but I stop short of foolishness!)

Although, I do remember the day when we visited our children on the occasion that my young granddaughter was in the hospital with a seriously fractured leg. We slept in her room and I was introduced to SNES and Super Mario. When we got home, I announced to the wife that I knew it was foolishness, but I just had to get a Super Nintendo and the Super Mario cart. I was captured by that game! Maybe the 360 will one day grab me in the same way. :rolleyes:

Hey Cadillac, thanks for the help :)

I just need to find the TV now, so I can really ramp up the discussions with my wife! I'm still in XBR1 "green blob" limbo, though I have a feeling she's beginning to bend. I'm just eager for the full 1080p, and the jack pack on the Mits WD-xx831 is too compelling to pass up (not to mention the better color uniformity on DLP's as well).

Thanks again!About the "jack pack" --- I agree! I was leaning toward the 52731 because that was as big as I wanted to go. What I really wanted was about 48 inches, but I liked the price/performance/features of the Mitsubishi DLP and 52 seemed to be the smallest one. Then I discovered the 52731 did not have cable-card and I am damned if I am going to have one more f-in' box. I've got so many remotes already I can't invoke a pause for picking up two or three wrong remotes before striking pay-dirt.

Well, the 57831 not only has cable-card but also includes a nifty Infrared device that places surrogate remote transmitters in front of four separate devices so the TV's remote can send commands to their respective remote sensors. That's cool. :cool:

What if your tv only has hdmi, do you suppose I would have signal degradation if I used an hdmi to dvi adapter, then an hdmi to vga cable.

One other thing I'm unclear about, if a company advertises an lcd as having HD component but doens't specifiy that its 1080p component does that mean it uses at least 1080i over component?

Presumably, the 360 output is digital and he will use the digital setting.

No, analog.

What if your tv only has hdmi, do you suppose I would have signal degradation if I used an hdmi to dvi adapter, then an hdmi to vga cable.

You would have 100% signal degradation. VGA-DVI-HDMI doesn't work.