Anyone had a look at the latest released DMA?


http://support.dlink.com/products/view.asp?productid=DSM%2D510

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A0781172



Another Intel Viiv device to hit the market. Probably gonna get one and see how it goes.

Dont waste your time or money on a dlink device of this type.
They have a rather poor track record in this category.

Another example of meaningless marketing hype: Intel Viiv Technology.
What in the world does Viiv mean? Is it a standard set of features or quality levels a manufacturer has to meet? No-just a marketing badge to associate devices to a name(an odd one at that) and the intel brand recognition.

This actually looks interesting, thanks for the heads up. And to be argumentative, the DSM-520 got pretty good ratings. The big deal breaker for me was in fact, it's size. This may have potential.

HD over wireless? Fat chance!

Actually in general, I prefer the 17 inch CE form factor since it blends in well with the rest of the home theater stack. One of the things about the linksys/dlink/iodata/buffalo..... products is that they REFUSE to support menu playback of network stored DVD's while other products (sometime with the exact same chipset) playback with full interactivity (IFO)!

Good point regarding the DVDs, but as far as form factor I'm all about this size b/c it's very "take over to a friend's and have a marathon night" friendly if you bring a portable HDD with the video files on it.

You know what I'm sayin?

Aaron_LC

How about adding the model number ( DSM-510 ) to the title of this thread so that future comments can be posted here.

Yeah-thats the nice thing about the tvix (which I own 2 of the 5000's). However I must admit I have never taken it to another residence and at first I didnt care for the styling but now I really like the cylindrical design AND have been drooling for some time waiting for the ATSC HD tuner add on coming next month which turns it into a HD DVR. The second tvix already has a seagate 750 but the other one only has a 500 GB HDD and needs to be upgraded for the tuner.

At first I wasn't that excited about the tuner option, but now it sounds cool... I mean why the heck not... if it's based off the same design as the Fusion line, you KNOW it's going to be awesome.

I REALLY need to attempt to hook the Fusion up to my Comcast feed and see what I can tune/record... I just am lazy to the idea of moving my computer to the tv room... but I'm a geek, I should do it. WEEKEND PROJECT!

If it supported H.264 and X.264 I'd buy it tomorrow because my DSM-520 has been great, but of course, it doesn't :(

Has anyone tried the DSM-510?

Can it be used with Wizd or Tversity?

Are photos diplayed in HD?

It is not syabas based so it wont work with Wizd. It should work with tversity however I have not done any thorough testing. I have tested some HD photo's and they are displayed in HD however they are fit to screen with no ability to move around the picture and slightly cropped on top and bottom.

-Aaron

If the picture is cropped at top and bottom, does that mean they are trying to fill a 16:9 frame with a 4:3 photo? Are the photos proportionally correct?

What chipset does it use?

How about playlists?
thumbnails?
album art?

I've asked these questions of Netgear but all I got was a case number.
I hope this is not indicitive of their support.

AFAIK its proportionally correct.

Chipset: Sigma 8620L

I have seen thumbnails via photo's as well as video clips shown and album art is also supported.

-Aaron

A sigma chip without sybase? Very unusual isn't it? What does it use?

If this thing can display true high definition photos without an unacceptable lag (blank screen or partialy displayed photo) between slideshow frames, I'll try it.

What do you think? It appears that you are the only user so far.

I just got the DSM-510, finally HD photos with correct aspect ratio.I am watching on a 1080p lcd and the results are incredible.The best I have ever seen.I don't have a viiv computer so a lot of the features won't work yet,but the slideshows along are worth it.
If anyone got tversity to work with this please let me know or any medias server.Thanks,I will post with any breakthroughs.

Hi ransome,

I'm evaluating a Dlink (oops thats Netgear)) EVA700 but don't know if I want to keep it. I had to install Tversity as I think WMP11 got corrupted when I installed the Dlink server software with WMC.

You might find this link helpful.

http://forums.tversity.com/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=c2a2c2541709c341010e7a2f6ca840cb

As for the DSM-510:
a. How long it the pause (fade in/out or blackout) between slideshow frames?

b. Can you rotate pictures from the remote? If so, long does it take.

C. Can you shuffle play music using the remote or do you need to shuffle a playlist on the PC?

D. Can it access internet media sites. (Since its VIIV, I assume it can althought the specs don't say).

Are you wireless or ethernet?

Thanks,
Mike

Hi ransome,

I'm evaluating a Dlink EVA700 but don't know if I want to keep it. I had to install Tversity as I think WMP11 got corrupted when I installed the Dlink server software with WMC.

You might find this link helpful.

http://forums.tversity.com/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=c2a2c2541709c341010e7a2f6ca840cb

As for the DSM-510:
a. How long it the pause (fade in/out or blackout) between slideshow frames?

b. Can you rotate pictures from the remote? If so, long does it take.

C. Can you shuffle play music using the remote or do you need to shuffle a playlist on the PC?

D. Can it access internet media sites. (Since its VIIV, I assume it can althought the specs don't say).

Are you wireless or ethernet?

Thanks,
Mike

Believe you meant Netgear EVA700 but to answer your questions.

A) Pause timer can be changed to 3sec and up I believe. You can choose either Fade to white or Fade to black or auto which goes white/black/white etc.

B) You can rotate the pictures at any time by hitting the FF/REW button to turn clockwise/counter and it is instant no pause.

C) There is a shuffle playlist button. There is also an option in the ui to sort items in ascending/descending order depending what option you choose for instance Title.

D) Not sure what you mean by internet sites. It does not have a web browser built in. However, if you do have a Viiv pc you can access a lot of things via the Viiv Zone. There is no built in internet radio streaming atm but I would not be suprised if you could use a Playlist and stream from live365 etc.

I have used it both Wired and wireless. I would highly suggest wired if your doing HD content but other than that I have not had any problems with wireless.

-Aaron

Thanks Aaron. You're right, it's Netgear. When playing pictures one at a time, how do you get the next one?

Hi all,
I've recently purchased two DSM0510's to connect to my brand new Viiv PC. One is connected wirelessly one is wired. The main purpose of these boxes is to stream my large video collection (I have about 1.2T in two different boxes).
I tried the Dlink server SW but abandoned it as I want to play DIVX which is not natively supported by the 510.
I've installed the latest version of TVersity and both boxes connected without much intervention.
WHEN it plays it plays fine. I have some issues such as AVI & DIVX files starting to play and then suddenly stopping. I need to fix this as its very disturbing.

Hi ransome,

I'm evaluating a Dlink (oops thats Netgear)) EVA700 but don't know if I want to keep it. I had to install Tversity as I think WMP11 got corrupted when I installed the Dlink server software with WMC.

You might find this link helpful.

http://forums.tversity.com/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=c2a2c2541709c341010e7a2f6ca840cb

As for the DSM-510:
a. How long it the pause (fade in/out or blackout) between slideshow frames?

b. Can you rotate pictures from the remote? If so, long does it take.

C. Can you shuffle play music using the remote or do you need to shuffle a playlist on the PC?

D. Can it access internet media sites. (Since its VIIV, I assume it can althought the specs don't say).

Are you wireless or ethernet?

Thanks,
Mike

A: only a second or so between frames.

B:Yes you can rotate, rotates instantly

C:Shuffle on remote

D:Yes, depends which server you use.

E: I am wireless,

By the way, the 510 is working now flawlessly, very quick very smooth, no more
pausing on video,works with all servers including windows media center.One complaint, you can not slideshow videos like with the 520.I like to put all my fragmented camcorder videos into one folder and slideshow, talked to Dlink 3rd level tech, he said the might fix this via firmware.I won't hold my breath.
Lastly, can we put the model DSM-510 in the title, or start a new Official DSM-510 thread,so we can drive some more visitors...

Having just picked one of these up and spending a great deal of time figuring it out over the weekend I can now say this is one great buy for the money. I can stream 1920x1080i recordings perfectly from my server PC. It plays back both .mpg and .ts HD files which is exactly what I wanted it to do. Perhaps a newer version will be out this year which supports h.264 although for now its not a requirement for me. I can stream 720p files over my wireless connection however it can't do more than ~13mbps which isn't enough for my 1080i recordings. If it matters, my PC with the files is AMD based, not Intel so its not an issue.

ransome: I was able to get TVersity running OK with the 510. All I did was install the program, add a few files to the video database and did a power recycle on the 510. Upon power up, TVersity was listed as a server option. If you did the above, make sure your windows firewall is turned off or configured to allow it to get thru. This was my initial cause for it not being recognized.

I found TVersity to be a little unstable so went back to the Dlink software. Its possible the nonbeta version is less problematic but right now I'm happy to be streaming at >8mbps which is all that Dlink claims this box can do. LOTR HD streams at ~20mbps :)

questions/observations for those that have the DSM-510

1. Which software did your DSM-510 come with on the CD? My install CD was defective so I downloaded the D-link Media server 1.08 from the DSM-520 download page although I don't know if this the software intended for the device. Dlink has no 510 software available for download on their website and the tech support person today was clueless.

2. In order to be able to stream at full speed, I need to have a windows web browser open. With no browser open, I am capped at 8mbps. This is a Media Server software issue as Tversity has no such issue.

3. FF/RW work fine with 720p files however are placebo buttons with 1080i files. Its not a major problem but I would like it fixed.

4. Is there a way to control the picture settings (brightness/contrast/etc.)? Adding this functionality to the DSM-510 via firmware update would be welcome.

If it supported H.264 and X.264 I'd buy it tomorrow because my DSM-520 has been great, but of course, it doesn't :(

Engadget.com just posted an article from CES about the DSM750 with Wireless N and h.264 support.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/08/d-links-dsm-750-medialounge-wireless-media-player/

Hmmm. Things are getting interesting again.

Has anyone tried the DSM-510?

Can it be used with Wizd or Tversity?

Are photos diplayed in HD?


I have one (actually, my second one, but I'll get to that later)

It can be used with TVersity. I usually use mine with an HP Mediavault media server, but it doesn't process the tags in WMA audio files. TVersity does and also supports internet radio. So I might change over but I didn't want to have to dedicate a computer.

Photos are displayed in HD and are gorgeous! Photos are scaled to fill as much of the screen as possible, so the images either touches the top/botom or the two sides depending on the actual photo format. 510 will allow you to rotate images if they are sideways (which incidentally, pauses the slideshow) but it does NOT remember how you've rotated them the net time you view them.


And now my particular issue:

I have an issue with the 510 using DHMI cable to my HP LC3760 37" HD LCD TV. I sent back the firs unit and my second (replacement) unit is showing the same behavior. After some time of using, seems to be related to temperature?, the screen suddenly splits into two, not quite equal halves. There is a thin green bar between the two images. The right side shows whatever was on the screen when the glitch happened and stays the same. the left side shows whatever you're doing. Thus, when it first happens, they show the same thing, then as you navigate or play other stuff, the left side shows that. But the aspect ratio is off and the left 1/5th of the left half is off the screen to the left.

I tried EVERTYHTING to restore the proper screen appearance. Navigate to things, play video, audio, etc. I even changed from 780p to 108i, 780i, and even 480p and 480i with no change. I changed from digital HDMI to analog output (composite video ONLY) and then back to digital - no effect! Even turned the unit off then on again. No go. The only thing that fixes this is to PULL THE POWER CORD and then power it back up. (This causes the unit to forget any favorites lists that you populated!) And usually I have to wait a while for it to cool off or else it just quickly re-glitches to split-screen.

Has anyone else seen this issue??? I've see it in two separate 510 units. I plan to try another HDMI cable (but how can a cable "hold" an image???) and different HDMI TV. (I tried both HDMI inputs into my TV - same behavior.)


And now some other general comments:

Other than that issue, I love the thing! Still have issues with some DVD .VOB files - probably high bit rate, but can't yet confirm. Doesn't play .IFO files, and I can't get it to play a whole directory of DVD VOB files, because it fails on the VOB files with high bit rate as I already said. But slideshows are nice with music in background. Many of the MPGs or AVIs created by my HP digital camera9s) fail to play – I don’t know why.

It can see - and stream media from - multiple servers concurrently! I was pulling audio from the HP Media Vault and photos from TVersity in a single slideshow. It also worked fine - for limited testing - with the Windows Media Server on XP Home laptop.

ALL via wireless connection!!! However, network activity lamp does NOT indicate wireless activity, only when wired.

And power lamp on unit only indicates that the unit is plugged in. You can't tell that it is really on or off because lamp stays the same. It takes 5 seconds to turn on after pressing Power On button on the remote (and a full 30 seconds from plugging power cord in).

Remote is good and has nice feel. Some on-screen displays show a button with different marking so sometimes it's hard to know what button it's telling you to use.

USB works fine for flash and HD, but I've only FAT. It wouldn't work with my ext HD formatted with NTFS.

Screen blanks out after 20-30 seconds (I never timed it) of non-use but comes alive at any remote button press (and that button press doesn't do anything else but reactivate the screen).

Video and be fast-forwarded at up to 50X, supposedly, but it doesn’t go that fast with my combination. It does do better with a wired connection but often times will get stuck doing the FF or RW and stops to respond to other commands.

Unit is small, but almost too small. My digital optical cable has heavy rubber shielding and between it and the HDMI cable, the 510 can’t effectively be placed in its stand in a vertical position. The two cables stick straight out the back and their combined weight tips the 510 back. Because of the stiff cables (I suppose I could try to find some thinner, more flexible cabling) the back of the 510 can’t be closer than 6” to the wall, if you support the cables to not pull the unit over.

The UI will let you have several network profiles. I haven’t actually done this, but it looks like you can set it up for your home, then take it to a friend’s house and set it up there under a different profile. Then when you return home, just reselect your home profile and all is restored. (No need to reset entire wireless WEP keys, etc. and IP addresses etc.) At least I can see how to try to do this in the setup menu but I haven’t been able to make it happen yet.

Well, I think that’s all. I just hope I can get the HDMI output to work reliably…

Jim

I'm looking into using a DSM-510 to play content served up by my MythTV Linux box. Does anyone have experience with the UPnP AV support in MythTV 0.20, or any other Linux-based UPnP server? Would any server that supports UPnP AV work, or are there compatibility pitfalls to avoid?

I've also seen issues on my DSM-510 when using HDMI. After a half hour or so the image starts blanking out every couple of seconds (I have a Panasonic 42PX50). I suspect it is heat related. The composite output seems to be fine. When I get a chance I'm going to try it with a different power supply brick to see if that helps.

I've also seen issues on my DSM-510 when using HDMI. After a half hour or so the image starts blanking out every couple of seconds (I have a Panasonic 42PX50). I suspect it is heat related. The composite output seems to be fine. When I get a chance I'm going to try it with a different power supply brick to see if that helps.

Yes, I get that eratic blinking behavior every now and then, too. I did have the impression that some of my flakiness was heat-related. But I can't be sure. I wonder if taking the circuit board out of the enclosure will keep it any cooler?

I recently got an email from DLink tech support. They said that they have a known issue with a small number of TVs using HDMI. They asked me what my make and model was and said hat they are working on a firmware fix, but gave no indication of when.

I'm trying to decide if I'm going to wait longer than my return period - I don't want to have a (for me) non-functional peice of hardware with only vague promises of getting it working.

Jim

Having just picked one of these up and spending a great deal of time figuring it out over the weekend I can now say this is one great buy for the money. I can stream 1920x1080i recordings perfectly from my server PC. It plays back both .mpg and .ts HD files which is exactly what I wanted it to do. Perhaps a newer version will be out this year which supports h.264 although for now its not a requirement for me. I can stream 720p files over my wireless connection however it can't do more than ~13mbps which isn't enough for my 1080i recordings. If it matters, my PC with the files is AMD based, not Intel so its not an issue.
I'm way late to this thread... but what exactly did you pick up? The D-Link Media device, or DSM-510?

Just finished talking to D-Link support. They said they have a number of other reports of the HDMI blanking issue. I suspect this isn't something they will be able to fix with new firmware. My unit is going back. Too bad; it had potential.

My DSM-510 doesn't want to play HD streams captured over the air with MythTV. I'm using an Air2PC card, if that makes any difference. Anyone else trying to do this? I'm kind of surprised that it doesn't work. Isn't over-the-air HD just MPEG2 at a higher resolution? The DSM-510 has no problems playing my standard def MPEG2 streams.

My DSM-510 doesn't want to play HD streams captured over the air with MythTV. I'm using an Air2PC card, if that makes any difference. Anyone else trying to do this? I'm kind of surprised that it doesn't work. Isn't over-the-air HD just MPEG2 at a higher resolution? The DSM-510 has no problems playing my standard def MPEG2 streams.
HD ts streams by definition have significantly higher bitrates(big factor in picture quality[PQ]) than SD mpeg. Not many people in the world can wirelessly stream HD ts files smoothly! Resolution typically means the number of pixels. More pixels means a larger picture but not necessarily a better quality picture.

The reason HD looks so good is that there is a LOT more digital information(2x the frame rate for example).

I am also pretty sure that you will get stuttering if you tried to wirelessly stream SD(standard definition) mpeg files at bitrates above 5-6Mb/sec...which means that high resolution SD mpeg files will probably stutter when streamed wirelessly.

One last note, comparing the stated max or min data transfer rate for your wireless system to the bitrate of the video stream does not work...you have already seen the proof of that...

Sorry, I should have been more specific. It doesn't stutter. It completely refuses to play the HD streams. I tried playing files from a server on a wired LAN connection running Windows Media Player 11 and from a USB drive directly connected to the DSM-510. In both cases, the SD MPEG2 files play without problems and the HD files don't even start playing.

Sorry, I should have been more specific. It doesn't stutter. It completely refuses to play the HD streams. I tried playing files from a server on a wired LAN connection running Windows Media Player 11 and from a USB drive directly connected to the DSM-510. In both cases, the SD MPEG2 files play without problems and the HD files don't even start playing.
What is the file extension .tp or .ts on the HD files?

What is the file extension .tp or .ts on the HD files?

Hmm, that's an interesting point. MythTV saves them with .mpg filenames. I'll try renaming them to .tp or .ts to see if it makes a difference.

I'm way late to this thread... but what exactly did you pick up? The D-Link Media device, or DSM-510?

DSM-510. Currently using it with WMP10 as the media server, although I think Twonkyvision has the best features. The 510 is a nice option for simple playback of recorded HD content without connecting a PC to your display. Image quality is very good.

Ok, I finally got somewhere. After yelling at tech support for 10 minutes they finally told me that none of the DSM series products support a bitrate of over 8Mbps. If my math is correct, the stream I recorded from over the air is around 13Mbps (6GB/hr * 1024 / 60 / 60 * 8). They actually do have this in their FAQ list, but they hid it well. It's in the answer to the "How do I check the bit and sample rates of a file?" question. So their "High-Definition Media Player" doesn't play high-definition media. Classic.

BBurtin, I have streamed HD content at 10-13Mbps over a wired network from my infrant to a DSM-520. I have tried on a wireless connection using a DLink g router with speedboost and it stutters, but plays.

Just wanted to calibrate you.

Alan

I have both a DSM-510 and a DSM-520, DSM-510 can stream a 20Mbps file without stuttering over wired(wouldn't bother trying wireless) and from what I hear the next DSM-520 firmware is also supposed to bump up the streaming rate to about the same.

-Aaron

I've measured the bandwith during streaming from my DSM-510 while watching a HD recording. No problem streaming 20mbps over wired connection. If I had an HD recording with a higher bit rate I'd try it but suffice it to say a direct network connection should be able to work with most files. Unfortunately there is not enough bandwith on my wireless network which chokes, stutters and freezes at 10mbps-12mbps. Perhaps a wireless N device will be the solution but for now if you want smooth streaming of HD content, you are best using a direct cable network connection.

Just finished talking to D-Link support. They said they have a number of other reports of the HDMI blanking issue. I suspect this isn't something they will be able to fix with new firmware. My unit is going back. Too bad; it had potential.

If you liked it but for the HDMI blanking, you might want to try it again. I just got a replacement DSM510 froim DLink. It has hardware version A2 with f/w 1.02. The HDMI blanking seems to be gone - at least I didn't see ANY evidence of it in two hours of use.

I do seem to have more trouble maintinaing a connection with the media server, though.

Jim

I've measured the bandwith during streaming from my DSM-510 while watching a HD recording. No problem streaming 20mbps over wired connection.

RTK,

Tell me about your process. I've tried both wireless and wired - but I don't have the ability to measure actual bandwidth.

But when I try to watch a VOB file that averages 5mbps with occasional spikes into the 9mbps range, I get an error message that the media player can't play the media. This happens at exactly the same place in the video file consistently.

I can't see what happens when wireless, but with the wired connection, the LAN link light on the 510 blinks about once per second up until about 4 seconds before the error message appears. In other words, network traffic to the 510 stops completely well BEFORE the error mesage appears.

It _seems_ like the 510 is buffering a couple of seconds of video output while pulling it from the server. If this is the case, then I would guess that the 510 finds a problem with the actual video stream, stops buffering it, and then the error message appears when the buffer empties.

I noticed that the 510 specs say video up to 8mbps. That would seem to support the behavior I'm seeing. Are you sure thath the video stream you are dealing with really has 20mbps video? Not just network throughput, but that is the actual bit rate of the video file?

Could you make 10 second clip of such a high bitrate file available to me so I could test it on my 510?

Jim

I've decided to take my DSM-510 back to the Circuit City. Here are the annoyances I hit, in case the information is useful to others:

* I wasn't able to play MPEG-2 files captured from over-the-air HD. D-Link tech support claims this is because of the 8Mbit data rate limit on the device. Not sure why others got it to work and I couldn't.

* Compatibility with UPnP AV servers is dicy. I found it worked best with Windows Media Player 11 as the UPNP server. The bundled Nero MediaHome software has painfully slow response time and doesn't support fast forward and rewind (!). I couldn't get any Linux-based UPnP servers (TwonkyVision, MediaTomb) to stream XVID files to the DSM-510 successfully. MPEG-2 worked with TwonkyVision but not MediaTomb. Probably an issue with the object class the server sends, but I never got to the bottom of it.

* The DSM-510 refused to play MPEG4 AVI's created by my digital video camera (sorry, blanking on the manufacturer).

* The "resume" feature is nice, but it's only supported for the last video you watched, and only for network streaming, not USB. Go figure.

* No Tivo/ReplayTV-style buttons to skip forward/back n seconds.

* No way (that I found) to index n minutes/seconds into the video.

* The biggest frustration is that the technical details of supported video formats, bitrates and UPnP compatibility are shrouded in mystery, so the end user is forced to reverse engineer what works and what doesn't. The FAQ's on their website tell only half the story, and D-Link tech support doesn't know any more than what's on the website.

Bottom line is that if you can operate within the limitations (play only supported files, stream from a Windows server), it's not a bad box. It was easy to set up with Windows Media Player and I like the form factor. But this box definitely wasn't designed for flexibility and ineroperability.

Hi to all you guys who are way ahead of me. I hope somebody can help.

I have a DSM510 connected to my wireless lan and I'm using WMP11 as the server. It plays most media files pretty well - usually movies are pretty good quaility after I have converted the video file to WMV. However I have so far failed to get it to play .divx files. WMP11 is pretty flakey which isn't helping but even when it sees and plays the .divx file, the DSM510 has it greyed out. I have registered with Divx and activated the DSM510, all software updates are applied but still no success.

Please somebody tell me what else I need to do.

ok - when I change the file extension to .avi it plays fine.