Definitive Technology SuperCube Trinity [Text View]

whoaru99

11-22-06, 03:27 PM

Hey guys,

I am an avid enthusiast of Home Theater, but I am new to these forums. I am putting together a Home Theater and I am looking to get a great subwoofer. I have been reading on here about the JL Audio, and the Velodyne and the Revel subs, but I have a question about definitive technolgies SuperCube Trinity sub. Has anyone had a chance to hear this subwoofer? On their website, it looks great on paper, but I would rather hear it from people who have actually used it or had a chance to demo it in a system.

I have a contact here that can get Definitive products for very cheap and he has offered to hook me up with this sub for what he says is a good price(not to be mentioned so please dont ask)

Someone please give me some information on this subwoofer.

Thanks guys!

GK

BTW - please change your font color - it's sorta hard to read when one has the forum in "AVS white" mode.

GinaKim

11-22-06, 08:37 PM

TJEli

11-22-06, 11:12 PM

Sorry about the font color...

So the SuperCube Trinity will play lower than the JL f113 for HT? I have only read amazing things about the JL Subs. I just want to make sure I get the best sub for HT.

BTW, I will not be using this sub woofer for music as I just dont like that sound.

THANKS AGAIN!!!
GK

This is not meant to discredit the Trinity at all (because I have never heard one and it may be a fine subwoofer) but take Definitives specs with a grain of salt. They have a long history of "spec messaging".

-Eli

GinaKim

11-22-06, 11:30 PM

I have heard that. I am going to ask my friend if I can get a demo sub, but that will take a while...

In the meantime, I am going to follow craigsub's tests and continue to educate myself. If ANYONE has any info on the Trinity, please let me know.

Thanks,

GK

TheEAR

11-22-06, 11:47 PM

Sorry about the font color...

So the SuperCube Trinity will play lower than the JL f113 for HT? I have only read amazing things about the JL Subs. I just want to make sure I get the best sub for HT.

BTW, I will not be using this sub woofer for music as I just dont like that sound.

THANKS AGAIN!!!
GK

Play lower,hardly.It is a better value,as its price is much lower(its saving grace).

No Definitive sub is in the same league JL Audio subs are. Its like comparing ATI power amps with Krell FPB series.

I would not give my little f112 in exchange any Definitive,much less my f113.

TheEAR

11-22-06, 11:48 PM

Play lower,hardly.It is a better value,as its price is much lower(its saving grace).

No Definitive sub is in the same league JL Audio subs are. Its like comparing ATI power amps with Krell FPB series.

I would not give my little f112 in exchange any Definitive,much less my f113.

Output is too often taken as a selling point,bass control and integration...the Fathom has no equal below 5K.Period

GinaKim

11-23-06, 12:49 AM

Thanks Ear. I have never actually thought of it that way which is strange because it makes so much sense... :) I just figured that with a full range speaker (somewhat) all I would need is something that would play ULTRA low.

I have heard that the JL is a great sounding sub. I am curious now to see what kind of results the submersive gets. (And the yare all in the same price-range too)

whoaru99

11-23-06, 01:08 AM

This is not meant to discredit the Trinity at all (because I have never heard one and it may be a fine subwoofer) but take Definitives specs with a grain of salt. They have a long history of "spec messaging".

-Eli

I take a bit of issue with this because it's pretty tough to say they are spec massaging when no +/- tolerance is given....

It's a bit OT with respect to subwoofers, but take the BP10 for example. The spec sheet says 20Hz and Stereophile measured it at -3dB at 25Hz and between -5 and -6dB at 20Hz. That does not seem too unreasonable for spec vs. measured given the amount of grief they receive about spec massaging. In fact, Stereo Review measured that particular speaker at 25Hz to 20kHz +/-3.5dB and within +/-2dB over much of that range. That's not too shabby for any speaker - especially considering one that uses only two 6.5" mid/bass drivers and two tweeters.

Then there are the BP30s. These are spec'ed at 18Hz on the low end and I have measured them in my room, using REQW w/RS meter and correction factors, to be approximately -2.5dB at 20Hz and about -10dB at 16Hz. Not too shabby for speakers using four 6.5" drivers, IMO, of course.

TJEli

11-23-06, 12:57 PM

I take a bit of issue with this because it's pretty tough to say they are spec massaging when no +/- tolerance is given....

It's a bit OT with respect to subwoofers, but take the BP10 for example. The spec sheet says 20Hz and Stereophile measured it at -3dB at 25Hz and between -5 and -6dB at 20Hz. That does not seem too unreasonable for spec vs. measured given the amount of grief they receive about spec massaging. In fact, Stereophile measured that particular speaker at 25Hz to 20kHz +/-3.5dB and within +/-2dB over much of that range. That's not too shabby for any speaker - especially considering one that uses only two 6.5" mid/bass drivers and two tweeters.

Then there are the BP30s. These are spec'ed at 18Hz on the low end and I have measured them in my room, using REQW w/RS meter and correction factors, to be approximately -2.5dB at 20Hz and about -10dB at 16Hz. Not too shabby for speakers using four 6.5" drivers, IMO, of course.

take issue all you want. Why doesn't Definitive publish the db range like every other reputable manufacturer does?(or at the very least follow the standard +/-3db...which they don't) Its so someone who doesnt know any better will look at the Trinity (for example) and compare its specs to say an F113 or Submersive and think the Trinity will play lower and louder because it says 10hz on the sheet.

Just my opinion of course.

-Eli

J.H.

11-23-06, 01:19 PM

Boy what a surprise Definitive Technology bashing. Its quite funny too because they must be selling lots of speakers to someone? Must be all the stupid people out there like me huh? Another thread that turns into a bash. To the OP don't listen to the BS spewing out of this thread. Definitive makes great speakers and even better subs. You should however listen to each and make up your own mind. A sub that was created for giant Churches could not be as bad as some here think it is or should be.

gotchaforce

11-23-06, 04:05 PM

TheEAR

11-23-06, 04:56 PM

J.H.

11-23-06, 05:25 PM

what the hell??

sorry that your company has extremely crappy business practices, its not our fault.
That is BS and you know it. If they have such bad business practices why do people keep on buying those speakers? Why do the people that actually bought those speakers swear by them huh? Its DT bashing yet someones buying the speakers.

J.H.

11-23-06, 05:27 PM

Calm down people.

I like a few definitive speakers and subs.They make some good products,not OUTSTANDING,AMAZING and ASTOUNDING.

As the hoopla ladden adds say,they always quote some award winning reviewer who was IMPRESSED BEYOND IMPRESSED with how AMAZING their gear is.

I am not bashing,the adds look to be written by kids for kids(mentality). It is all good as it discredits them.
Again bash the people who buy the speakers as "kids" or kids mentality. Thier ads are first rate why in the hell are you talking about? Its called bashing and its funny is what it is. people love those speakers for some reason. Oh wait were all just stupid for buying them right? well i think your stupid if you don't try them out. Its your loss if you don't.

TheEAR

11-23-06, 06:00 PM

Again bash the people who buy the speakers as "kids" or kids mentality. Thier ads are first rate why in the hell are you talking about? Its called bashing and its funny is what it is. people love those speakers for some reason. Oh wait were all just stupid for buying them right? well i think your stupid if you don't try them out. Its your loss if you don't.

OUCH that repply came out of the far reaches...OUCH

I say it again,slowly this time. Definitive adds are best for high school kids,they use qualifiers in GIANT BOLD LETTERS. I never said the buyers are at the kinder level,just high school,see I gave them credit where credit is due.

These are not purist speakers,with the bloated 18" super duper mega flabby woofa. Who needs definitive when I have Dynaudio Contour S5.4 and S3.4(sourround)and S-CX(center)with JL Audio and Velo HGS18 subs? Who?

Fact is they give supermarket frequency figures,with no linearity of any kind.

BASH,yes long live BASH subwoofer amps,they bash pretty good. :p I like BASH amps,very efficient,cool running and inexpensive. :)

Oh and these rough speakers are no match with my Tenor Audio monoblocks either. :p

Deaf Finitive = full size B0$e in a better sounding package :p

JH seriously,Definitive makes some quality speakers(like I've said before),simply are not anywhere near the level of HYPE(in BOLD CAPITAL letters)the arm twisting adds point.

Zissou

11-23-06, 06:03 PM

TheEAR

11-23-06, 06:06 PM

You need to learn to ignore this guy. He's been banned from countless fora because of his very strange beliefs and the obnoxious way he has with people.

I have been banned! From where? I post on the Klipsch forum mostly.Please refresh my memory,kind sir.

Zissou

11-23-06, 06:09 PM

I have been banned! From where? I post on the Klipsch forum mostly.Please refresh my memory,kind sir.

I won't embarrass you in public but being bombastic here will not work. You need to really tone down your "personality" in your posts. Believe me "Santa Cruz" you are well, and not fondly, remembered. Give up on PC speakers? :D And as I recall you were the hottest hip hop, 40 year old DJ in Montreal. :eek: :D
If you continue to post like only your opinion counts you'll not be taken well here at all.

ss9001

11-23-06, 06:10 PM

GinaKim,
As long as you are considering a sub with the credentials of the DT Trinity, you may want to also take a look at the Velodyne DD series, like the DD15 or DD18. Not cheap, but they really do go as low as claimed, and have the advantages of digital servo control, ultra-low distortion, and the built-in full scale parametric EQ functions. Very nice, world-class subs!

For the record, I own both a DT SC I and the Velo DD18 and the Velodyne is in a different league all together. Just some thoughts to consider B4 you spend the $$.

ss9001

TheEAR

11-23-06, 06:15 PM

I won't embarrass you in public but being bombastic here will not work. You need to really tone down your "personality" in your posts. Believe me "Santa Cruz" you are well, and not fondly, remembered.

I will talk SLOWLY(remember the bold letters).

Please embarass me Ziouf.And now(if you at all can). :p

TheEAR

11-23-06, 06:16 PM

Zissou

11-23-06, 06:17 PM

I will talk SLOWLY(remember the bold letters).

Please embarass me Ziouf.And now(if you at all can). :p

Nope I won't play that game with you. It's enough for people to know you come with much baggage. Keep on rockin' dude. :p :p :p

TheEAR

11-23-06, 06:31 PM

Mope I won't play that game with you. It's enough for people to know you come with much baggage. Keep on rockin' dude. :p :p :p

No I will not waste time debating the pointless with you.As this creates a negative atmosphere in here.The forum should be about information and to enjoy gear we have.

I was refering to Definitive's ADDS in audio mags.They are great for high school kids.I stand by my words. :) Definitive manufactures speakers that appeal to a group of people that also like Mirage(bipolar)speakers,nothing wrong with this.

But in closing,the baggage you talk about,it is fiction.Being a liar is not good,I hope you know this. I was not banned from any major forum.

Zissou

11-23-06, 06:37 PM

No I will not waste time debating the pointless with you.As this creates a negative atmosphere in here.The forum should be about information and to enjoy gear we have.

I was refering to Definitive's ADDS in audio mags.They are great for high school kids.I stand by my words. :) Definitive manufactures speakers that appeal to a group of people that also like Mirage(bipolar)speakers,nothing wrong with this.

But in closing,the baggage you talk about,it is fiction.Being a liar is not good,I hope you know this. I was not banned from any major forum.

Whatever you say Theear. :p :p :p :p :p I know you and so do others here. For the OP I have a HGS-18 and DD-18 here right now and they are both fabulous subs. The DD is more than just a DD + EQ there were numerous changes, but audibly they are very similar and both are world class.

gotchaforce

11-23-06, 06:40 PM

That is BS and you know it. If they have such bad business practices why do people keep on buying those speakers? Why do the people that actually bought those speakers swear by them huh? Its DT bashing yet someones buying the speakers.

i never bashed definitive tech, their speakers are good for home theater, im just saying as a company, i put them a notch lower than monster cables in terms of business practices

oh and people buy BOSE speakers too bucko :rolleyes:

whoaru99

11-23-06, 07:18 PM

i... i put them a notch lower than monster cables in terms of business practices

That's funny, but a bit over the top. I've not heard of DT trying to sue anyone for using the words Definitive or Technology...

TheEAR

11-23-06, 07:20 PM

Whatever you say Theear. :p :p :p :p :p I know you and so do others here. For the OP I have a HGS-18 and DD-18 here right now and they are both fabulous subs. The DD is more than just a DD + EQ there were numerous changes, but audibly they are very similar and both are world class.

:)

The DD18 numerous changes have done next to noting improving quality(sub bass) and output.The improvements come in large part from the integrated Velo "SMS1".
Aesthetic changes aside,and the minute changes at the driver level have done little IMO.
The venerable HGS18 is a legend in subs,improving on one is no easy task.

TheEAR

11-23-06, 07:23 PM

That's funny, but a bit over the top. I've not heard of DT trying to sue anyone for using the words Definitive or Technology...

Agreed,Definitive adds are funny.Their products priced within reason. Monstah Keible(for fear of being sued by Monstah Lee) reached new heights in absurdity by suing people for so little.

I have the Sigma and M2.4 15ft speaker cables...shame on me. I hope this will make them think twice before suing a high profile customer. :o

whoaru99

11-23-06, 07:29 PM

take issue all you want. Why doesn't Definitive publish the db range like every other reputable manufacturer does?(or at the very least follow the standard +/-3db...which they don't) Its so someone who doesnt know any better will look at the Trinity (for example) and compare its specs to say an F113 or Submersive and think the Trinity will play lower and louder because it says 10hz on the sheet.

Just my opinion of course.

-Eli

Really not much different than any other component, is it?

I mean after all, if you auditioned speakers that were rated +/-3dB 20Hz to 20Khz and another pair that had no published rating, would you insist on buying the speaker with the published rating even if you thought the non-rated speaker sounded better in your audition?

ransac

11-23-06, 07:39 PM

This is just like Thanksgiving at home.

TJEli

11-23-06, 07:40 PM

Really not much different than any other component, is it?

I mean after all, if you auditioned speakers that were rated +/-3dB 20Hz to 20Khz and another pair that had no published rating, would you insist on buying the speaker with the published rating even if you thought the non-rated speaker sounded better in your audition?

I would not, no. However, I am not the type of buyer that their marketing is directed at. For the record, I did not (and don't remember reading ANY) bashing of Definitives products in this thread. So J.H. can chill out. I have owned Definitive and they build a decent product. I was mearly cautioning the O.P. about putting too much weight on their specs because he was refering to them in his posts. My origional post was this:

"This is not meant to discredit the Trinity at all (because I have never heard one and it may be a fine subwoofer) but take Definitives specs with a grain of salt. They have a long history of "spec messaging"."

That says nothing about the product itself. Tell me I am wrong about their published specs being shady at best though. Thats all I was saying. Don't base your decision on their specs.

-Eli

whoaru99

11-23-06, 08:03 PM

Totally agree. One should not buy on specs alone.

I did ask the question directly to DT why no +/- tolerance on their speaker and I did get an answer - FWIW...

Essentially (these are my words, not quotes) as I remember the gist of the response;

1. The listed response is the usable FR in a typical setting.

2. There is no standardized way to conduct the FR test. Therefore, unless the speakers are /were tested by the same method by all mfg., the results are not apples to apples anyway.

3. What matters most is the sound, listen and make your choice accordingly.

They're all relatively vague, but no more so than the reasons people have different perceptions of what sounds good.

I Superman I

11-23-06, 10:06 PM

I too am curious of the performance of this subwoofer. Being it's use of 2 14inch woofers it should have some pretty solid handling, and as a fan of DT it would be nice to have a full spectrum system including the subwoofer, and this seems to be their best offer. I've sadly only heard the SCIII and II, and was not impressed with either, however they were not in an enclosed area, and obviously would have less ouput performance in such a wide open area as the main opening section of the Magnolias.

The said statements about their exageration on specs is acceptable, but it is clear that it is highly taken out of proportion to what they get in real life situations. And a comparison to Monster Cables or Bose is absolutly absurd. Is Deftech using paper cone woofers? Are they using a "Bass Moduel" that only goes down to 46hz? I think not, and the cost is not a 10X fold similar to those company's, thos comparisons are absolutly rediculous. Plus having the full range due to the subwoofer integration seems like a great way for people with lesser budgest to get larger performances from a budget.

So if anyone has any test chart for frequency response they could post or find, it'd be great for alot of people interested in the product.

J.H.

11-23-06, 10:51 PM

Again to the OP don't listen to these people. check out the Trinity. It will astound you at how powerful it is. It was developed originally for a church and is quite powerful. Its as stated by Definitive too.Great company,great customer service.great warranty,great speakers and AWESOME subs! I think you'll be quite impressed and proud to own DTs like I do and lots of others do. were not child like as some morons on here would like you to believe. I hope you have a chance to check them out.

TheEAR

11-24-06, 08:19 PM

To end this thread turned sour. I excuse my finger pointing at the adds(yes they are shouty).

I will audition the upscale Definitive Trinity and largest cube subs they make. And post an honnest impressions.

GinaKim

11-24-06, 09:00 PM

ransac

11-24-06, 09:22 PM

Gina,
Welcome to testosterone central. There are very few threads that ask for recommendations that don't invoke some kind of war. If you don't take these things personally, it can be quite entertaining. If you don't like bickering, then run. :)

I don't believe too many noticed you are female or we might have been on our best behavior. Not too many girls in this forum. :eek:

J.H.

11-24-06, 10:25 PM

Thanks Ear.

Wow, do all of the discussions around here turn in to arguments that really have no actual answers to the questions being asked? I guess I will have to word my posts diferrently... For the few here who actually tried to provide me with assistance, Thank you. It has not gone unappreciated. For those of you who just chose ti bicker over the ads that definitive publish... Well thanks for that too i guess... :(

To "TheEar" I would reall love to hear your impressions of the Trinity.

Have a great weekend guys!
Only with a few products. When its Definitive Technology speakers people love to bash the speakers and there owners in a very personal way. Thats only when I get involved. I read this thread and when the speakers were attacked unfairly and then the people who bought them I have to step in. When ever its a DTS/Dolby Digital discussion STAY FAR AWAY! That one will get bloody over something that is very stupid. When ever a thread turns political usually in DVD discussion threads STAY FAR AWAY! Also do not ever go into the Processors/amps/receivers section and say you like anything but DENON. If you say you like any other brand be prepared to be KILLED!I go on there all the time to say how great B&K products are and people have FITS! If I were to express my love for DENON no one would say a word but if its another brand be prepared. Thats pretty much it though.

TheEAR

11-24-06, 11:29 PM

jhan1000

11-25-06, 12:06 AM

I think the bottom line is that you probably have two capable subwoofers. The ideal situation would be for you to audition both subwoofers yourself, and make your own decisions.

IMHO, you can't go wrong with either subwoofer. :)

swgiust

11-25-06, 10:31 AM

If somebody can test this sub and compare it to others, that would be great.
There is a new wave of these super subs. Massive amps, multiple drivers. Some
promise huge performance. Some will deliver, some will not, but the dam has been
broken. We will continue to see bigger and badder subs come along. Everybody
wants to be able to hang their hats on the biggest and baddest. And who ever is
king, won't be for long. Which, by the way, is great news for US! Competition will
keep these manufacturers turning out better and better products. Most of us will
get to actually hear very few of these products. Most of us will be happy with them
in our home. Is this Trinity the end all of subs, who knows. What I do know is that
this is a jump in performance that we all should be happy about.

:D really makes you wonder what SVS's new ultra's gonna look like... :D

[SS]Shooter

11-26-06, 12:08 PM

Friends, I have a DefTech SuperCube Reference and have been very happy with it. It performs well, both HT and music, and can pound pretty loud.

I listened to a variety of options, from about $1,000 - $2,500 for a powered sub and the tone and punch of the SC Ref was among the best.

The Trinity looks to be about like 2 SC Refs. It's big at 36" tall. But, I would think that having two subs, instead of one giant one lke the Trinity, might be a better setup. That being said, the Trinity is probably a special use component for a BIG theater.

I haven't heard bad things about DefTech's service, but if someone has a link to a thread where this is discussed, I would appreciate it. I have never contacted them.

tmternes

12-08-06, 11:22 PM

Getting back on track here gentlemen, I have the luxury to work in the industry and am able to demo items at my home. Currently, I am doing a comparison between the JL Audio F113 vs. the Definitive Technology Trinity. For the longest time my main subwoofer in this room has been my tried and true Sunfire Signature. The bashing that the Sunfire receives is, in my opinion, a load of crap! I have had this sub since March 1999 (almost 8 years), and it has beaten out many many competitors. Remember people, this design is considered ancient. Having only spent around 5 hours thus far comparing these 3 subs, I will say that they are all excellent! I have heard so much about the Fathom F113 as being the best sub period at this moment, that I had to try it in my own dedicated theatre. You may not want to hear this, but at this particular moment, the Trinity seems to be going lower, and with more bang! I will be honest, I am thinking I have done something wrong with setup because with all I read on this forum, Def Tec is crap and JL is the king. Boys, unless you have the same luxury I have, you should not be so biased with one product. As far as "real" pricing is concerned, I would argue that one could purchase 2 Trinity's for a little more than one Fathom, but I can tell you from what I have heard so far, this would no longer be a close contest as 2 Trinity's would destroy 1 Fathom F113. Don't get me wrong, this Fathom sounds incredible, seems to sound a little more controlled, but as far as overall SPL, Trinity seems to be leading right now. I am feverishly trying to get both of these puppies broken in with 24/7 use. And as far as the Sunfire Signature is concerned, it is definitely holding its own. I question if some of your rooms are simply living rooms with absolutely no room treatments. If so, your reviews are flawed.

TheEAR

12-08-06, 11:49 PM

tmternes

12-08-06, 11:59 PM

It is funny to listen to the bashing that goes on these threads. I work for a High End Custom AV company that deals in many of the top brands including Krell, Arcam, Lexicon, Martin Logan, Totem, M&K, JL Audio, Kaleidescape, Crestron, to name a few. Oh, and yes, Definitive Technology, Monster Cable, Yamaha, & Marantz. The company consists of 10 of us, and we ALL have different setups in our houses! Hmmm.... We also are completely different individuals. I guess you could say I am the one who is the youngest at heart when it comes to music tastes. My main genres are Rock, Country, & Dance. I guess you could say, I am a Top 40 guy. I am 37 going on 25, not 25 going on 80. I sometimes laugh at the demo's we do. We use recordings (obviously) that are so well produced, that a $50 ghetto blaster could produce decent sound. But in many situations, these are recordings that most people will never listen to! As well, these artists may be legends, but my god man, this stuff is crap! I like my music to produce more that 10 beats per minute! When you exercise, does Mark Knopfler "Sailing To Philadelphia" get the juices flowing" I think not! Did you ever wonder why they call it Top 40 or POP? POP stands for popular, meaning, the mass enjoys this type of sound because it has a beat that so many can enjoy. I have a dedicated theatre in my home. I love movies, music, and gaming, and I want them all to look & sound great. However, I am not the guy who has a Hugh Hefner red velvet jacket and a pipe and sits by myself in a 12 x 10 room critiquing every ounce of substance that comes from a recording. Personally, I find alot of these folks to be pretentious turds! The bottom line, everybody is different, and there are many fantastic manufacturers out there. There is no single best product out there. This is all subjective! My speakers of choice... Definitive Technology BP7000SC, CLR3000, BPVX x 2 Pairs, and either the Trinity, the Fathom F113, or keep my money and stay with the Sunfire Signature sub. My room sounds awesome! But remember, I've never owned Hef's jacket and have never been called a pretentious turd! Whew, that felt good!

tmternes

12-09-06, 12:08 AM

This message is for TheEAR. A fellow Canadian. You seem to have vast knowledge in the sub area. Good god man, are you being completely honest when you talk about all the great subs you own? This would not come cheap. If true, then that is awesome.

I gotta tell ya man, from what I am hearing from this Trinity vs. the F113, I am leaning towards the Trinity at this moment. But from what you can tell, my tastes would not be considered "Audiophile Quality". As well, my theatre is rather large at 22 x 14.

However, the Fathom does sound FANTASTIC. I have been a HUGE fan of JL Audio, since their entry into Car Audio. This is my other love. I have $15,000 invested in my Car which consists of JL Audio, McIntosh Amps, Kef speakers & Precision Power equalization.

gotchaforce

12-09-06, 06:26 AM

That's funny, but a bit over the top. I've not heard of DT trying to sue anyone for using the words Definitive or Technology...

yes i know they havent thats why theyre a notch below monster cable...

tmternes

12-09-06, 03:49 PM

yes i know they havent thats why theyre a notch below monster cable...

I can tell you as a dealer of Definitive Technology, they are one of the BEST company's to deal with. PERIOD! Sometimes I think people complain for the sake of complaining. Actually out of all the speakers we carry, turnaround time for service is the fastest with Def Tec. In one of my other posts I mentioned some of the lines we carrry. The people that work there are courteous and friendly and very supportive. They do not argue what is wrong with the unit. We simply call them up and tell them what part we need, and it is sent out same day. If it happens again, we tell them we want a replacement unit, and guess what, they send it immediately. Try getting that type of service from some of the other top name manufacturers. I am not going to bash names, but some of these "Audiophile" companies will leave the client hanging for 6 to weeks to get the item fixed.

I would argue that your beef is with the store that carries DT, not DT themselves. As far as specs are concerned, please tell me you are not so naive to purchase solely on specs! You were born with a set of ears, use them! For an example, I prefer the sound of Arcam Amps over Krell. How many times will you hear that?

As far as Monster Cable goes, we too, are dealers of that brand. Once again, as far as the relationship between them and the dealer is concerned, it is absolutely FANTASTIC! If you have an issue, you should be going back to your sales rep and have them deal with the issue; but that would require you to shop at a reputable shop. I would suggest you stop shopping at "Good Time Charlie and His Deals of The Week Audio & Video", because I think you are getting bent (if you know what I mean).

What do you mean by bad business practices? Did Noel Lee sneak into your bedroom one night (driving his sequay), pull down your pants, and spank you in an unlawful manner? And because of this, you are now bitter, because you don't want your friends to find out? Seriously, they market a product, they let the consumer choose, and if the consumer does not like it, they return it for a FULL refund. End of story. Done! I am confused? I will agree that they are more expensive, in my opinion, for the same quality of product. However, there stuff looks cool, and that to me, is worth the extra cash. And that is why my entire system is connected via M-Series 1000, AVS2000SS and an HTPS7000SS. As far as quality is concerned, I will do a double blind study with anyone when it comes to cables. This means that you sit your soft cushy butt on a couch in a room, I blindfold you (prior to you putting on Hugh Hef's red velvet jacket and lighting up your pipe. I am trying to set the mood here for the 2 channel guys), and then I play different cables. Notice how I said I will play different cables, not music. Now it's your turn, all mighty ears! You must guess (did I say guess?) 8 out of 10 times correctly which cable you are listening to. I will use 3 manufacturers of high end cables, all in the same price category. I will wager whatevery you want, I am that confident you will lose. My point is this: Monster Cable makes damn good product. Once you achieve M1000 level, you are at the top of cable technology, and I will be damned if people can notice the slight nuances between the different brands. Once again, Monster, like Microsoft, gets a bum rap because, let's face it, they have succeeded, and that pisses off the "little angry man" sitting in his mom's basement bitching at all that's unfair in this world.

I can also tell you, from being a dealer, that some of these high end, mad scientist, audiophile products have some of the highest defective rates that I have seen. I know if I spent 10 grand on a CD Player that was rubbed with 100% goatskin oil suspended on a triangular cone, to sustain the earth's orbital pressure, broke in the first week, I would be pissed. People always feel that they are somehow more impressive when they support that one dude that nobody has ever heard of vs. the corportate monster.

I'm done, for now...

Chris Popovich

12-09-06, 04:10 PM

I haven't heard anything Def Tech for some time. I will chime in though b/c I used to own a Def Tech subwoofer quite a few years ago -the PF1500TL. I've long since upgraded but at the time I enjoyed the sub. As a college age engineering student interested in sub modelling, I had a few technical questions about it and called Def Tech. No one was there so I left a message. Sandy Gross called me back later that day and we chatted for 20 minutes about the technical specifications. He was very helpful, very interesting, and I enjoyed dealing with the company. Years later I would have enough design info/experience to realize that everything he told me was technically sound.

-C

jacksonian

01-05-07, 10:19 PM

I just wanted to add my comments to this thread. I own DefTech speakers, but not bipolars (don't really care for the sound of bipolars). And I'm considering an upgrade for my SuperCube I.

About 3 years ago when I was deciding on my speaker setup, I had an idea to put some speakers in Salamander cabinets to hide them for WAF. I emailed Definitive and got a reply from one of their engineers/product developers. He must have answered 20 of my emails full of what I'm sure to him were stupid questions. He was incredibly patient and helpful.

I really didn't expect that kind of personal service from a company, certainly I haven't experienced that many times before. I realize that DT makes mass market products, but my buddy and I have had their speakers for years and they've performed very well and reliably, so I can't fault them for quality in any way.

I think by definition, some people resent the mass market brands and I understand the psychology behind that. I've made fun of Bose a time or two myself.

All that being said, I've added the Trinity to my short list to listen to. tmternes, can you give us any more feedback on your comparison between the JL f113 and the Trinity?

thehun

01-06-07, 01:08 AM

Output is too often taken as a selling point,bass control and integration...the Fathom has no equal below 5K.Period

Yeah we all have our opinions.

craigsub

01-06-07, 07:31 AM

Hsu Research was originally called "Definitive Research", and Definitive Technology wanted them to change it. I don't recall this getting particularly ugly, but it was changed.

I have owned BP-2000's, 3000's, the bookshelf models with built in subs, and a couple 15 inch subs. Def Tech makes pretty good stuff - they are also formidable marketers.

tmternes ... please check your PM. Thanks ... :)

jacksonian

01-06-07, 07:39 AM

tmtermes, anyone else with opinions on the Trinity?

One thing I noticed in this thread was folks saying the Trinity was a lot cheaper than a f113. But the MSRP I have is $3200/$3300 for the Fathom and $2999 for the Trinity. Doesn't seem like much of a difference to me.

GinaKim

01-07-07, 12:24 AM

WOW! What a response to my question. (I am still waiting to hear back from TheEar as he said he would buy and review this sub...)

Anyway, so I gather that the Trinity is louder and plays lower than the Fathom, but the SQ is not even close to being up to par...

I have purchased the Aerial Model 7B, and CC3B for my HT as I thought they sounded amazing and gave me the best sound due to trial in my room (it is amazing what some guys will do to try and get a lady to go on a date... lol)

The Model 9's and CC5 just did not have enough room to breath in my room, and the Model 7's just really seemed to shine, so I bought them and they are awesome! I am listening to 2 channel music right now, and I am in heaven. Now I just need to finish it off with a sub.

If I DO NOT use my sub for 2 channel music, how much effect with the sq be for HT? DOes it make the Trinity a better HT only sub? Or am I looking at this all wrong?
Please help me out here. Thanks agian guys!

thehun

01-07-07, 02:50 AM

Gina, for 3 grand you have lots of choices. Make this a fun experience and go out and audition subs, better yet see if you can take 'em home without buying, [some stores let's you do that]or see if they refund your money as oppose to exchahenge it to something you don't want, if you not happy with it[some stores don't like that]. I always say to people that upgrading or just putting a new set together should be half the fun this hobby can afford you. Have some fun girl! :)

sb1

01-07-07, 07:24 PM

:)

The DD18 numerous changes have done next to noting improving quality(sub bass) and output.The improvements come in large part from the integrated Velo "SMS1".
Aesthetic changes aside,and the minute changes at the driver level have done little IMO.
The venerable HGS18 is a legend in subs,improving on one is no easy task.
After listening to many different subs, I am reminded just how good my HGS 18 is. It really is legendary. Movies or music, this thing puts out.

jacksonian

01-07-07, 07:40 PM

If I DO NOT use my sub for 2 channel music, how much effect with the sq be for HT? DOes it make the Trinity a better HT only sub? Or am I looking at this all wrong?
Please help me out here. Thanks agian guys!
I have the same question. I had almost made up my mind to go with the Trinity for that reason, but then we watched a couple of movies tonight and I realized how much music was in the soundtracks. So now that has me wondering if the JL Fathom would serve better.

I know, I gotta go listen to them :D

TheEAR

01-07-07, 07:51 PM

Gina,

You have Aerial Acoustics speakers (refined sound,superb built)and you are looking at INFERIOR sound quality!?!?!?!?! Let me make a wild wild guess....

No I am not evn going to.

If you had speakers of lesser pedigree like def tech towers of POWAH I would not even hesitate and point you the obvious choice,the Trinity sub(or two).

To match your speakers(obviously you have money to own Aerials,no crystal ball involved in this guess). And to me the perfect and LOGICAL match is a sub or a pair of subs that does not compromise in any possible way the sound quality these Aerials can provide.

In this light two choices jump out and are obvious. Velodyne's DD18 or the JL Audio f113.

Now the Velo is a less ideal choice as it costs more,performs LESS(down very deep where a sub should).

I have speakers not from Aerial but from Dynaudio,the Contour and Confidence series,as refined as the Aerials. And I tried numerous subs,with the help of Velodyne's SMS.

I also happen to have the Aerial SW12,a great subwoofer.However the Aerial costs as much as the DD18. What is more AVS members looking for the best deal,may happen to realise the f113 full retail is ONLY $3300 in gloss black. And you will get a better price,as I say...NEVER PAY RETAIL...N E V E R. So you can get one under 3K.

3K for the best sound quality found on any sub,make that 3-4-8-10K even. You may get more output,but do you have an IMMENSE room,and do you listen atear bleed levels? I think not,people with refined gear have more refined taste and prefer to listen at civilised levels.Not lose precious hearing.

And belive me,the f113 can belt out serious SPL,and this down DEEP very deep. So the question of lacking output is not even an issue. In the largest of large rooms you couyld add a second one,if you like foundation rattling subsonics.

Also no matter how well you design a ported(vented)sub it will NEVER match a top of the line sealed sub.As the only energy radiated is the energy from the piston of the active driver,not ports,that ALWAYS add colorations.No matter how well designed(and PR's are a type of port).

jacksonian

01-07-07, 10:03 PM

TheEAR

01-08-07, 12:14 AM

I know your comments were directed to Gina. But I do have DT speakers, albeit bookshelf monitors, not powah towahs. I actually can afford whatever I want, but I've been at this long enough to realize the laws of diminishing returns and have tried to find a good value until I feel the urge to upgrade.

Can you explain what you mean about the PR's being a type of port?

The passive radiator is a suspended membrane(read woofer with no motor structure) that is often weight loaded,this loading tunes the PR to a chosen frequency.PR eliminate the common port noise and are logical choices in very compact cabinets,where ports would be long(sometimes impractical and impossible solutions given the compactness of some subs) and eat real estate inside the cabinet.

Port because it will release the energy produced by the woofer. PR work best in compact cabinets,where pressure will be greater(Sunfire ,Earthquake,DefTech SuperCube).

Wet1

01-08-07, 09:39 AM

jacksonian

01-08-07, 03:09 PM

TheEAR

01-08-07, 07:53 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of those 30 subs either, I bet they'd take up most of an entire house.

I spoke with a dealer by phone today and talked about my room dimensions. He recommended the DT Reference over the Trinity, thought the Trinity would be wasted in my 2000 cu. ft. room. He spoke highly of the f113 and how musical it was, but thought it might also be overkill. Any thoughts?

A 2000cu ft room,this should be easy to energise. One f113 overkill,not if you want to blast your system from time to time,and why not have extra headroom?

Extra headroom will not hurt,and make you smile each time you may feel the need to pump up the volume.

Go with what ever you feel does the job,your way.

TheEAR

01-08-07, 08:05 PM

Ear,

Given the short amount of time I've been reading this sub forum I was begining to have some faith in your posts as you seem to have a good deal of subs on hand. After reading this thread you've certainly managed to completely re-color my perception.

BTW, where's that 'unbiased' review you promissed months ago? I'd also like to see a pic of 'your' 30+ subs. :p

What ever floats your boat.

What I satated is true and you think it is BS ...prove me wrong.Why no sub reviews from respected reviewers of these super subs? Why?

ALL the Definitive subs I heard,tested so far disapointed on music,properly set up.In optimal spots, where others performed admirably.

Definitive has great HT subs,I will not say otherwise. The largest Powerfield (using the 18" woofer) reached deep and could shake it good,it was however a bloat a ton dinosaur with as much finesse as a 18 wheel truck in tight corners.

Sorry no Trinity yet,working 70 hour weeks,I have little time to spare ,and no time to shop and listen to new subs.

Spezzy

01-08-07, 09:19 PM

TheEAR

01-08-07, 10:50 PM

First off.. how much deeper can the F113 go than a DTS-20?

2nd.. What wrong with high school kids? I'm a freshman, have an alright setup in my opinion (RTi12 for front and rears and RTi6s for sides and CSi3. VSX-1015TX for reciever)

Yes, I bought it with my own money and I plan to keep it that way. I also have a DLS-5000R.. it's alright. But why the highschool hate? It's not like my parents throw money to me.. I don't get allowance. I earn my money.

Anyways. By the end of February I'll be buying either 2 F113s or a DTS-20. Some info would be nice. :) Or Submersive. Many options :).

The DTS from all accounts is in a league of its own.I cannot comment I never heard one. It is a very interesting sub and I think I should get one in the future.

Mr Danley is a force in the subwoofer,bass reproduction world. I am sure the DTS20 is worthy of the unlimited performance top 5 list of super subs. The sub may not use ubber displacement woofers but its design is quite unique,and with far less power(wattage)and cone travel can produce much higher SPL.

Now will a f113 reach deeper? I would doubt.The Danley will play louder that is a given. When I sort my purchases out I will have to give serious consideration to the Danley,as its price is low compared to classic direct radiating super subs.

Always go to audio shops and listen.What you hear sounding best to you,is for you.What can I add. You ask me and right now my favorite subs are from JL and Velodyne(HGS/DD) ,these I heard,own and know.

Excuse my typos,I am agitated like all hell. The new TC Sounds and SVS monsters are being introduced at this year's CES! :p

Wet1

01-09-07, 10:03 AM

What ever floats your boat.

What I satated is true and you think it is BS ...prove me wrong...

Sorry no Trinity yet,working 70 hour weeks,I have little time to spare ,and no time to shop and listen to new subs.
I think I did prove you wrong... when I called you out and you didn't produce. I'm still waiting on the pic(s) of your 30 subs in you house, including the crown jewels (and not single pics of other peoples subs). I'd love to see the 'list' as well. You seem to have enough time away from all that hard work to post regular somewhat lengthy posts, so you certainly have enough time to snap one or two pics and post them along with the list... but somehow I don't think you'll do so. :rolleyes:

Good day. :)

Jake Sm

01-09-07, 07:50 PM

Now the Velo is a less ideal choice as it costs more,performs LESS(down very deep where a sub should).
But it has the SMS-1 built in and ties that to it's own servo control, so I'd guess the integration/musicality/room correction nod would go it's way.
I've had FAR MORE experiance with the Velo products than this particular JL Sub but hopefully I will set them together and do a head-to-head soon.

TheEAR

01-09-07, 08:05 PM

I think I did prove you wrong... when I called you out and you didn't produce. I'm still waiting on the pic(s) of your 30 subs in you house, including the crown jewels (and not single pics of other peoples subs). I'd love to see the 'list' as well. You seem to have enough time away from all that hard work to post regular somewhat lengthy posts, so you certainly have enough time to snap one or two pics and post them along with the list... but somehow I don't think you'll do so. :rolleyes:

Good day. :)

Let me open my Photoshop...darn I should have some pics to post when I finish retouching. :rolleyes:

My point was the Fathom is superior to the Trinity. Prove me wrong,not some argument about pics,I am talking subs.This is a subwoofer forum ...or is it not?

jacksonian

01-10-07, 12:42 AM

Let me open my Photoshop...darn I should have some pics to post when I finish retouching. :rolleyes:

My point was the Fathom is superior to the Trinity. Prove me wrong,not some argument about pics,I am talking subs.This is a subwoofer forum ...or is it not?
I'm not doubting your information, but you've only been posting here for 2 months and stating that you own 30 subs does tend to make people suspicious as it's a fairly fantastic claim (a-that's a ton of money and b-where would you put 30 subs?). Why not just snap a picture and shut everybody up?

Zissou

01-10-07, 05:22 AM

I'm not doubting your information, but you've only been posting here for 2 months and stating that you own 30 subs does tend to make people suspicious as it's a fairly fantastic claim (a-that's a ton of money and b-where would you put 30 subs?). Why not just snap a picture and shut everybody up?
:D

Wet1

01-10-07, 07:56 AM

Let me open my Photoshop...darn I should have some pics to post when I finish retouching. :rolleyes:

My point was the Fathom is superior to the Trinity. Prove me wrong,not some argument about pics,I am talking subs.This is a subwoofer forum ...or is it not?
Gee, and I thought you'd be able to produce a list with supporting photos. :rolleyes:

We're talking subs here as well. You're the one being the Johnny-come-lately, calming to be the all knowing/owning sub guru, and talking trash... about subs / speakers you quite possibly have no experience with.

Prove you wrong? Let's just say I believe I've created more than reasonable doubt regarding your credibility. Here's a twist, prove US wrong... or right if you can't produce the requested items. ;)

Zissou

01-10-07, 08:00 AM

Gee, and I thought you'd be able to produce a list with supporting photos. :rolleyes:

We're talking subs here as well. You're the one being the Johnny-come-lately, calming to be the all knowing/owning sub guru, and talking trash... about subs / speakers you quite possibly have no experience with.

Prove you wrong? Let's just say I believe I've created more than reasonable doubt regarding your credibility. Here's a twist, prove US wrong... or right if you can't produce the requested items. ;)

Do a Google for theear to find other claims he's made over the years. ;)

TheEAR

01-10-07, 10:46 AM

Do a Google for theear to find other claims he's made over the years. ;)

Zissi go and ask WETone's hand and get married. In some satates you would be legal. :p

Each forum has its group of time wasting people,you two have posted nothing of worth.I do not even see you help other people. YES I have THIRTY subwoofers,and you have an issue with that? :p

I do not have to provide to you two any proof at all.I will post it..and I will it will be for other AVS members.Now stop derailing this thread.

This is a thread about the Definitive tech Trinity subwoofer. If you have not noticed,today I am calling a Def Tech dealer in Montreal to order one. So you little two poodles can bark a storm.

jacksonian

01-10-07, 11:05 AM

This is a thread about the Definitive tech Trinity subwoofer.
Indeed. But it would make me feel a lot better about your recommendations if we knew you indeed did have all of these subs.

TheEAR

01-10-07, 03:14 PM

Indeed. But it would make me feel a lot better about your recommendations if we knew you indeed did have all of these subs.

HA HA HA

So but seriously,I could have 50 subs and still not know jack about subs in general. Sound reproduction and subs are my hobby,my passion. Give me a two to three weeks(Trinity wait time ) and I will PM you a link to my systems...and it will include the definitive Trinity.No no store pics.. :p

Just to make a statement, Trinity pics posted.From all angles,next to my subs.How about it. Next to my JL's,Klipsch,Velos,Paradigms and company.

Now back to the Trinity.

In the worst case(it is not too defined and more of a SPL monster,a la giant Sunfire Mark II) I will use it in my secondary HT. What can I lose...$2500US...

new27

01-10-07, 11:44 PM

the church claim is amusing

HOW exactly and WHY exactly would a church go about commissioning from scratch
a subwoofer of all things and from Deftech of all companies?

TheEAR

01-11-07, 12:11 AM

the church claim is amusing

HOW exactly and WHY exactly would a church go about commissioning from scratch
a subwoofer of all things and from Deftech of all companies?

You know this hit me too. Now before we make any claims,I am waiting for my Trinity sub. To anyone reading this thread,YES I ORDERED A TRINITY SUB TODAY.

So I will not speak a word againt or for before I unpack the beast and test it,against my reference subs (JL f113,Velo HGS18,Revel B15,Aerial SW12,Paradigm Servo 15 V.2). Yes people yes yes yes finally you pushed me to shut up and act. :o :p

Guess what I will use after the religious break in...Pomp & Pipes on RR,this recording has some true subsonic pipe organs,track four and the last track will put any sub to work. def tech claims these are used to reproduce/replace traditional pipes organ tubes! We will see,and hear. I keep you posted

jacksonian

01-11-07, 12:49 AM

J.H.

01-11-07, 06:34 AM

the church claim is amusing

HOW exactly and WHY exactly would a church go about commissioning from scratch
a subwoofer of all things and from Deftech of all companies?
What the hell is that supposed to mean? Ya know outside of the idiots here DT has a great reputation for making great speakers and incredible subs.

Wet1

01-11-07, 09:23 AM

Ear,
Sorry I've been a d!ck towards you, but between the slams to DT (which I personally don't think are at all warranted), your snotty tones, and some of your claims tend to be a stretch, it all gets old quick. I haven't seen anything to prove these claims, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt... for now. Not that I think you care, but I'm certainly not the only one that feels this way. Going forward, if you want others to even remotely entertain your thoughts, I'd highly suggest you validate the ownership of all these subs in question.

Regarding me offering advice and helping others, well I do every day at AVS, the difference is I only offer input and advise on things I know a lot about or have first hand experience with. I'll be 100% honest and say that I DON'T have first hand knowledge or experience with most of the latest subs on the market, therefore I keep my trap shut in this sub forum so I don't give anyone inaccurate thoughts. I will say subs do interest me, but I'm not a complete sub nut like you claim to be. If indeed you do own all the subs you claim to own, you are a nut, but I would completely cherish your input on the topic. IF NOT, I'd say it's pretty damn ****** to continually offer input on something you know nothing about.

Regarding the Trinity sub (which I hope you did actually order), I'm interested in how it performs. I suspect it will not be as good as a F113 with music, but how good is of interest. One thing is for sure, it should have some impressive output! BTW, expect 14 to 21 days for delivery.

New27,

Since churches are by far the largest users of large pipe organs in the world, and true pipe organs have be replaced be newer electronic versions in recent years (unfortunately), it's not a stretch to believe they might contact a well regarded speaker manufacture when building a new system. Why DT? DT is very well regarded for their speakers outside of AVS. I have no idea why their name is a little tarnished here, but it certainly isn't elsewhere. They always review well and they offer a very nice product for the money. So why wouldn't a church go to a dedicated sub manufacture for the subs? Because pipe organs produce sounds at higher frequencies as well, DT is a well rounded speaker manufacture which produces not only subs, but full range speakers as well, so it's completely logical for them to be contacted to pull off such a job. :)

new27

01-11-07, 10:30 AM

Obviously reasons COULD exist as to the whole church "commissioning" thing, I just don't
believe it as marketed. A church paying R&D costs for this kind of thing is NOT logical.

DT has been known to stretch the truth in the past. Also, DT's rep is about as good as
Bose's, that is to say "amoung a certain crowd", which is also to say, many, many people
speak very highly of DT.

Personally, I think they're a snake oil company but to each his own I guess

Wet1

01-11-07, 12:11 PM

While it might come as a surprise to you, the Trinity Church (hence the subs name) in New York did just that. It might be even more surprising to discover the church uses a huge multiple array of DT bipolar towers with one standing in for each organ pipe. It's FAR cheaper for a church to pay someone like DT to build a speaker system for thier organ, than to build or replace a true large pipe organ... by a long shot! I don't know if you've even seen (or heard) a true old school pipe organ, but they are huge, expensive, and require a fair amount of upkeep. The flip side is the big ones are also pretty damn impressive to say the least.

Anyway, nothing hard to believe about it... the DT system was comissioned by the church and IS in place.

Regarding DT being a snake oil company, well that's an opinion you're welcome to entertain. To compare them to Boise is a pretty far reach IMO, but that's your right to believe so. I personally tend to like DT's bipolar towers, and subs. I think they offer a lot of value and very pleasing SQ for the money. In all fairness, I haven't heard all their latest stuff, but I doubt it's much different. I will agree their marketing is over-the-top, but that doesn't mean they don't have nice sound products.

jacksonian

01-11-07, 01:52 PM

new27,
What is it exactly that makes you call DT a "snake oil company"? I own their products. They make quality products at a decent price. Yes, they have a lot of marketing in the HT rags, but I don't think that makes them a snake oil company. If you're looking for audiophile gear, then you wouldn't like DT, but that doesn't make them evil.

Bose, on the other hand, promises a lot of things that just aren't possible by the laws of physics.

TheEAR

01-11-07, 03:48 PM

Well, I look forward to the comparison since I'm still torn. Listened to the f113 again today while in TX on business, very nice, but nothing in the room to compare with and not the best demo material, all they had connected was a BD player and demo disc.

When do you expect the Trinity and how long does the break-in take?

I was told 2-3 weeks. :mad: What can I do,wait and suffer with ...my other subs.

Very interested to hear this sub,to let some deep and less deep bass be reproduced by the beast. I have a spot ready,next to my f113's. :)

jacksonian

01-11-07, 07:12 PM

I was considering the Trinity along with the f113. But after reading about the Submersive, seems like the Trinity becomes irrelevant, doesn't it? Won't the Submersive go as low in a smaller cabinet for 2/3 the cost?

MusicFirst

01-12-07, 05:33 PM

TheEAR has posted some pics of his F113.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8889854&&#post8889854
Yeah, and it looks like in the last pic it shows a Paradigm Seismic sub and a Klipsch too. Also in the second pic it looks like a smaller Paradigm sub is in the backgroud as well.

Kysersose

01-12-07, 07:08 PM

I've cleaned up a LOT of this thread. Keep the bickering to PM's.

Suspensions will be handed out next...

Kyser

Wet1

01-15-07, 10:22 AM

I've cleaned up a LOT of this thread. Keep the bickering to PM's.

Suspensions will be handed out next...

Kyser

I have no idea if theEar is for real or not, but the info that was posted sure looked very damaging to his case. Please keep in mind unsuspecting buyers might spend thousands on an item based on what appears to be sound advice from an authority on the subject...

While I very much appreciate you keeping the house clean, I also think it's important that people know when they are possibly dealing with a fraud. :)

Zissou

01-15-07, 10:30 AM

I have no idea if theEar is for real or not, but the info that was posted sure looked very damaging to his case. Please keep in mind unsuspecting buyers might spend thousands on an item based on what appears to be sound advice from an authority on the subject...

While I very much appreciate you keeping the house clean, I also think it's important that people know when they are possibly dealing with a fraud. :)

I have saved everything I posted so if people want to hear it they can PM me. Until theear again makes fraudulent posts we must obey the wishes of the mods. Everything is however saved and documented.

jacksonian

01-15-07, 10:41 AM

Well, I ended up buying the JL Fathom f113. Never got to listen to the Trinity, decided it was just too big for my room.

Wet1

01-15-07, 11:17 AM

Well, I ended up buying the JL Fathom f113. Never got to listen to the Trinity, decided it was just too big for my room.
Based on everything I've read, I don't think you can go wrong with that choice if SQ is your main criteria. The only place I'd expect the Trinty to out perform the f113 would be raw output and 'maybe' down very low.

Please let us know how you like the f113! :)

jacksonian

01-15-07, 11:25 AM

I will definitely let you guys know what I think. I've been watching the first season of Rome all weekend and it just has some booming bass drum beats throughout. My DefTech Supercube 1 sounded really good, so I can't wait to hear what the f113 can do with that! Although it did start to scare me that it sounded so good, maybe I was crazy to upgrade. I'll be sure and let you know what I think of the difference.

My room is only 2000 cu. ft., so I didn't need tons more output, but I wanted something that would be very clean down low.

The "Ok to Go!" scene in Contact just made the Supercube go flabby nuts!

Zissou

01-15-07, 11:34 AM

Well, I ended up buying the JL Fathom f113. Never got to listen to the Trinity, decided it was just too big for my room.

Congrats on the purchase.

Wet1

01-15-07, 11:35 AM

jacksonian

01-15-07, 11:45 AM

There's no doubt in my mind that you'll be happy with the f113 based on the raving reviews. But you're right, there's certainly a point of diminishing returns when it comes to AV equipment. I guess it all boils down to how good do you want it, and how much do you want to spend... :)
I'm definitely learning that lately. I was a bit disappointed with BD/HD-DVD, I mean they look great, but not like going from SD to HD the first time. I was considering upgrading my DefTech StudioMonitors, but after listening to them this weekend, I think that's pointless.

It's hard, I love researching and shopping for upgrades, it's kind of an addiction. But now that I have a 1080p projector, 60" plasma, BluRay + HD-DVD, and a Fathom, there's not much left to do except waste money on diminishing returns.

My wife already thinks I'm crazy. Wait til a 130 pound sub shows up on the doorstep this week! She'll say, do we NEED more bass? I thought it already sounded great. :D

So I think I need to put a moratorium on upgrades and maybe do more tweaking instead.