I re-watched this movie this weekend with my new HSU ULS-15 sub and the traveling with flu powder scene was very impressive. It was not deep but very intense. You could really feel it. I am curious what frequencies that was?

Thanks

no doubt it's good, but I still wouldn't put it in the same league as the incredible Hulk, Cloverfield and Hellboy 2 (as for most recent LFE releases go).

The overall sound is excellent in KFP, but as for Deep LFE, only several scenes.
Even that last one hits at 25hz. which by no means is bad but it's not WOW lightening strike territory. Now that will test your subs out and see if they are for real.

I think everyone is getting excited for KFP because it has alot of upper LFE IMO, and most subs can handle that fairly well. It's also loud. That helps too.

If you have a sub that can go really deep, The 3 movies I mentioned make Kung Fu look like Bambi.

Jedi, which are some of the reference quality subs? I like what I have, but am interested in making changes. :)

Jedi, which are some of the reference quality subs? I like what I have, but am interested in making changes. :)

What do you have?:)

And if you couldn't tell, I was having some fun with "croseiv", who happens to have dual SVSPB13's stacked. I would consider those to be "reference".....:D:D:D:D

What do you have?:)

And if you couldn't tell, I was having some fun with "croseiv", who happens to have dual SVSPB13's stacked. I would consider those to be "reference".....:D:D:D:D

Is a single measly Castle in a 900 cubic foot room "reference?"

What do you have?:)

And if you couldn't tell, I was having some fun with "croseiv", who happens to have dual SVSPB13's stacked. I would consider those to be "reference".....:D:D:D:D

Right now, I have dual SCII's. I do like them, but when a constant low frequency is demanded, you can feel the variance in their response.

I also have to mention that I don't think I could find anything better at the price that I paid for them. Lets just say that I could buy three SCII's for the price of one SVSPC13 Ultra.

I plan on upgrading my entrie system in the near future (if finances permit), so I am looking into subs now. :)

EDIT: I will say, that the skidoosh scene, shook the heck out of my house though.

Is a single measly Castle in a 900 cubic foot room "reference?"

Weak, you should have gotten a tower:eek: Or you could just make the room smaller, like a bathroom!:p

Thanks to all who gave the new waterfalls. :cool:


"Pulse" (2006) HD-DVD DD+ TrueHD http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/images/smilies/5stars.gif
1. Chap 1 (0:00:04) WaterFall (http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/pulsechap100004.jpg)
2. Chap 15 (1:10:47)
3. Chap 15 (1:11:03)
4. Chap 15 (1:11:58) 15-20 Hz PLAY @ OWN RISK! WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Pulse_ch15_1-1.jpg)
5. Chap 15 (1:15:09) WaterFall (http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/pulsechap1511509.jpg)
6. Chap 15 (1:17:06) WaterFall (http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/pulsechap1511706.jpg)
7. Chap 16 (1:27:46) WaterFall (http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/pulsechap1612746.jpg)

"Sunshine" http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/images/smilies/3.5stars.gif
1. Our Sun Is Dying, Chap 1 WaterFall (http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/sunshinechap1oursunisdying.jpg)
2. Four Present Irreversible Damage, Chap 1 WaterFall (http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/sunshinechap1fourprosentirreversibl.jpg)
3. Detonation Beyond All Imagination, Chap 8-9 WaterFall (http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/sunshinechap8-9detonationbeyondalli.jpg)

"Kung Fu Panda" Blu-ray TrueHD
1. Near the end of the movie? Chap ? (0:00:00) WaterFall (http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08461/kfp3939.jpg)
2.

Just watched Sunshine. Bass throughout but nothing that really went CRAZY. Still a good movie that will work out your sub!

Trying to find a rollercoaster dvd with exceptional sound (rumble of the coaster-want to push the sub some) with it making you visually feel like your on the ride...probably not the right place to post this but figure I would start here. I am sure there is nothing in high def...any suggestions?

Trying to find a rollercoaster dvd with exceptional sound (rumble of the coaster-want to push the sub some) with it making you visually feel like your on the ride...probably not the right place to post this but figure I would start here. I am sure there is nothing in high def...any suggestions?

Final destination 3:confused::D I havent scene the movie, I have only seen the roller coaster scene from the demo disk I have. Its pretty fun at reference.

Trying to find a rollercoaster dvd with exceptional sound (rumble of the coaster-want to push the sub some) with it making you visually feel like your on the ride...probably not the right place to post this but figure I would start here. I am sure there is nothing in high def...any suggestions?

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/musicandvideo/hdvideo/contentshowcase.aspx

The clip titled "Speed (IMAX)" has about 45 seconds of 1080p footage from a camera mounted the front car. I've never ran it through my theater, just my computer.

mrcoop , What your looking for,with the subs making it "real" is what my wife and I demo-ed in Bellvue WA. at Definitive Audio a month ago Polar Express with D-Box .It was so real my wife almost broke my arm,just like she would if we ever rode another "real rollercoaster" Spider man with doc-oc on the run away train was also over the top!

Hulk....cough cough...waterfalls.....

:D

The.Incredible.Hulk.2008.BluRay.720p.DTS.x264.dxva
AC3Filter: Redirected bass 120hz

00:54:50
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/3/hulkdi7.jpg

Big Buck Bunny has some LFE, 10-25hz.

Hellboy.II.The.Golden.Army.2008.BluRay.720p.DTS.x264.dxva
AC3Filter: Redirected bass 120hz
00:14:30

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/5351/hellyu9.jpg

The.Incredible.Hulk.2008.BluRay.720p.DTS.x264.dxva-EuReKA
AC3Filter: Redirected bass 120hz

00:54:50
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/3/hulkdi7.jpg

Big Buck Bunny has some LFE, 10-25hz.

Now that, my friends, is some serious LFE, Kung Fu who?:):)

Hellboy.II.The.Golden.Army.2008.BluRay.720p.DTS.x264.dxva-EuReKA
AC3Filter: Redirected bass 120hz
00:14:30

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/5351/hellyu9.jpg


Damn! centered near 10hz....:D

The.Matrix.Revolutions.2003.720p.HDDVD.DTS.x264
AC3Filter: Redirected bass 120hz
Don't have a time stamp, its the end scene right after Neo and Smith fight in the building. The bubble scene.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7876/71449108ra9.jpg

WHat no WALL+EEeEEEee charts??

Who cares I'm heading out to get my Panny BD35 BR player for $149 thx to Sears' typo!WOOHOO!

WALL-E.2008.720p.BluRay.DTS-ES.x264
AC3Filter: Redirected bass 120hz
00:12:40
When the ship first lands and drops off eva.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7474/75964007hd1.jpg

can someone give a step by step guide to creating these waterfalls

like baby-step instructions LOL

what to download and where to get it? how to set it all up

i downloaded SpectrumLab but it seems confusing

Mrkazador, thanks for all the recent postings. You da man. :)

can someone give a step by step guide to creating these waterfalls

like baby-step instructions LOL

what to download and where to get it? how to set it all up

i downloaded SpectrumLab but it seems confusing

There's a pretty thourough explanation at the beginning of this thread.

There's a pretty thourough explanation at the beginning of this thread.

thanks. i'll check it out :)

Mrkazador, thanks for all the recent postings. You da man. :)

Its been awhile since I did these. I should get back to doing more :cool:

Its been awhile since I did these. I should get back to doing more :cool:

Good work! Thanks!

I was just watching THE LION KING on dvd with my kids. There is some serious bass in this movie, so I came here to see if there were waterfalls.
According to the charts, most of the the bass is concentrated around 30-40HZ. I was kind_of surprised, as it sounded a bit lower in my room.

There's a pretty thourough explanation at the beginning of this thread.

i gave it a shot with one of my favorite Christmas songs that has some strong pipe organ in it that always used to give my JL car subs hell during the chorus

thanks again

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f68/subwooferz/speclaborgan.jpg

Just watched a Netflix rental of Hellboy 2. Lots of bass. Some low stuff, some loud stuff and a good mix of everything in between. I might pick it up.

Wall-E really didn't have Jack as far as bass goes. Decent kids movie though.

I was wondering if something was wrong the bass in Wall e was nonexistent. Plenty of scenes that should of had strong bass but had nothing. Can someone confirm this.

I was wondering if something was wrong the bass in Wall e was nonexistent. Plenty of scenes that should of had strong bass but had nothing. Can someone confirm this.

confirmed!:D:D

I just watched it last night, and agree. for the most part totally lacking in LFE. There is some bass to be heard, but does not match what one would perceive to be in that type of movie.

However, I did find to movie to be very enjoyable otherwise.

Yep I was a bit surprised with WallE too. Usually Pixar has solid bass in their movies:confused:. I actually checked to see that my amplifier was on a few minutes into WallE. Kinda strange. Maybe it was mixed by a different team than usual?

Fringe(TV Show) has had some good bass.
Check them out on Hulu (http://www.hulu.com/fringe)
Episode 4: The Arrival

36:30 Cylinder thing starts digging.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=125084&stc=1&d=1227559296

37:15 The Observer's Gun(The 30hz-20hz sweep)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=125085&stc=1&d=1227559296

Fringe(TV Show) has had some good bass.
Check them out on Hulu (http://www.hulu.com/fringe)
Episode 4: The Arrival

36:30 Cylinder thing starts digging.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=125084&stc=1&d=1227559296

37:15 The Observer's Gun(The 30hz-20hz sweep)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=125085&stc=1&d=1227559296

thanks. that's a great show!

Those Fringe waterfalls are somewhat misleading. I've never heard bass that is anything comparable to a movie during Fringe. I will say though that the sound editing on that show is quite good!

-Chad

The.Dark.Knight.2008.BluRay.720p.DTS.x264.dxva
AC3Filter: 120hz Bass Redirected

01:15:40 - 01:15:55
This is when the semi is bumping into the swat truck. When the camera is focused at the swat driver, low bass. That spot at 88-95hz is when the semi hits the swat truck and sends it into the lake.
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/5711/75072204dd9.jpg

01:17:12 - 01:17:17
This is when you see the Tumbler swing in front of the camera chasing the semi.
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3694/22813014vf6.jpg

More to come when I finish scanning the movie for bass!

I know this is for movies but this one I had to post.
NIN: The Slip
Discipline
00:03:00

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/4416/capt0811241529se5.jpg


You can get it for free and its LEGAL! 24/96!!!
http://dl.nin.com/theslip/signup

Is Dark Knight already being posted???I could get a hold of one but the dude won't unpack his boxes to get it! Several scenes in DK are gonna blow the windows out of my house to say the least...and destroy our massive decor of Christmas decorations thus destroying my marriage along with it!


Wall E's sound was handled by the original Star Wars' sound guy.....and YES WallE had several scenes which should've been reference quality but weren't apparently!

In The Dark Knight, all of the Batmobile scenes are killer. All of the explosions are also very good.

edited

nm, edited the post....so has, or will, anyone charted the DK Batpod leadup sequence clip that's on the BB Blu-rayd disc yet??? sorry, but it's still 3 weeks to DK's release and I'm friggin' antsy!

clip description: the Intrepid blowup thru the Pod blowing through the wall to slide into the street to face the Joker's rig.

Yes, The Dark Knight sounds amazing :eek: I need bigger/better sub(s)!

drakan and mrkazador, i think your colorpalettes are just little wrong.;)

How so? As long as we post the palette there is no wrong.

Those Fringe waterfalls are somewhat misleading. I've never heard bass that is anything comparable to a movie during Fringe. I will say though that the sound editing on that show is quite good!

-Chad
A couple things:
My settings could be different then others. I will try to tweak them a bit.
This audio comes from Hulu which isn't exactly a standard format and the audio might have some additional gain present.
The episode could be the sole episode with bass.
Depends on how loud you listen :)

To my suprise, Polar Express had some nice lfe...not sure how low but definitely present with the train. If you haven't seen it, the lfe should not dissapoint ya. Just enough to keep a low bass person happy.

The.Dark.Knight.2008.BluRay.720p.DTS.x264.dxva
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00:08:40 (At the start, the Tumbler crashes through the wall)
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2806/37748935dy8.jpg


00:37:00 (Kidnaps and flies away with the help of an airplane)
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3567/52860767yy3.jpg

02:08:20(fights the swat team, sets an explosive so they won't get killed)
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6218/16178512ay1.jpg

great stuff Mrkazador!

Nice. Good stuff down in the teens.

Looking good, MrKazador. Should give my deep tuned sub a good workout. Can't wait for the BD to come out.

and here's Ralph's review on DK! (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1088574)


What Db level is the club scene?
Based on the `escape chart' 35 Hz is definately Harkins' theater's `sweet spot'! :)

MrKazador, can you do the scene where the hospital gets blown up? :D

Those Fringe waterfalls are somewhat misleading. I've never heard bass that is anything comparable to a movie during Fringe. I will say though that the sound editing on that show is quite good!
Based on my TV watching in HD, I think Numbers has the best bass of any show. My SVS Ultra 2 wakes the dead during that show.

The.Dark.Knight.2008.BluRay.720p.DTS.x264.dxva
AC3Filter: 120hz Bass Redirected

01:52:30 (His transmitter failed, he starts hitting it and then...explosion!)
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/1622/24198356xe1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I like the one at the bottom left corner of that explosion chart, good bass from 10 hz down. Now only if I can build myself a new sub quicker.:)

Here goes another movie lacking bass similar to Wall E. Hancock was very disappointing in the bass department. Let me know if you agree.

I agree. I was disappointed with Hancock. Bass was so lacking. Wall E was also disappointed.

I agree. I was disappointed with Hancock. Bass was so lacking. Wall E was also disappointed.

i agree

Hancock.Unrated.2008.BluRay.720p.DTS.x264.dxva
AC3Filter: 120hz Bass Redirected

01:10:30 (Charlize and Will arguing at his trailer)
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7646/31467520cj4.jpg

01:25:40 (Near the end, Charlize gets shot)
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/6826/95493528lz5.jpg

I scanned through the whole movie and this was the only two worth posting, very sad :(

Yep I was a bit surprised with WallE too. Usually Pixar has solid bass in their movies:confused:. I actually checked to see that my amplifier was on a few minutes into WallE. Kinda strange. Maybe it was mixed by a different team than usual?



Hmmmm...I thought wall E had some decent scenes where it was needed. When ships were coming or going my room was shaking pretty good with a PB-13 and I didn't even run it hotter than normal.

Maybe you guys just needed to turn the volume up a little more. I was at -5db from reference level MV using the DTS-MA 6.1 track. So maybe just a 1-2 louder than normal.

I know it's not as hard hitting as the rest on the list, but someone might want to try measuring Top Gun. It's on comcast on demand HD right now and the DD track is enough to shake my little 10" sub. Gonna try it out on my new ED 18" DIY when I get it built in the next week. Doesn't seem like anything really down low, but once again, this is on a 10" sub that doesn't pick up anything below ~35 hz.


I also see that it's on HD DVD and Blu ray. Might be worth looking at. DD DTS DD True HD and DTS Master HD on the Blu ray.

Here goes another movie lacking bass similar to Wall E. Hancock was very disappointing in the bass department. Let me know if you agree.

Agreed, I was bracing myself for the train scene expecting something to put a smile on my face and it never came. The only scene that actually had some real bass was the fight between him and *******, when he gets hit with the truck. (I don't want to spoil it) :p

Hi all -

Was reviewing the lightning strike and gunshot scenes over the weekend (to my 6 year-old's delight and the wife's dismay) ... just as I got ready to do something else, the ceiling collapse scene happened (after the final gunshot/after she's reloaded). WOW ... maybe not necessarily the lowest Hz extension, but what energy!

Would anyone care to do a waterfall and add it to the list? I'm very curious to see what it looks like ...

Thanks -

- ianbtv
Cambridge, VT USA

Hi all -

Was reviewing the lightning strike and gunshot scenes over the weekend (to my 6 year-old's delight and the wife's dismay) ... just as I got ready to do something else, the ceiling collapse scene happened (after the final gunshot/after she's reloaded). WOW ... maybe not necessarily the lowest Hz extension, but what energy!

Would anyone care to do a waterfall and add it to the list? I'm very curious to see what it looks like ...

Thanks -

- ianbtv
Cambridge, VT USA

Just happened to have some time today! Here you go!

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s44/croseiv/Ceilingcollapse.jpg

The animated film Star Wars: Clone Wars is very bass heavy, similar to Transformers. I'm not sure if it has a lot of really low bass, but there was plenty to be heard!

This movie had plenty of bass throughout and very good gunshot bass comparable to Mr. Brooks.

The.Animatrix.2003.720p.BluRay.DTS.x264
AC3Filter: Redirected bass 120hz

Final Flight of the Osiris
00:07:00 - Shes jumping through the beams
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1692/22486446qi6.jpg

00:09:00 - Too many sentinels, that have to use the EMP!
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2897/52510191ti4.jpg

World Record
00:51:00 - Almost to the finish line, "wakes" up in some liquid.
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/6334/11248653ue5.jpg

Beyond
00:59:10 - Looking for her cat, the walls are glitching and lots of newspaper.
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/43/96406020ab6.jpg

Prince Caspian anyone??
3 days til DK on Blu Ray! WOOOOHOOO!! :) :)

Yes indeed!:D
Dark Knight should be in my mailbox sometime between now and Tuesday. Maybe even today [/fingers_crossed].

Prince Caspian anyone??
3 days til DK on Blu Ray! WOOOOHOOO!! :) :)

A few good scenes in Caspian....but I thought the movie wasn't that good. I just didn't really care for either of the Narnia movies. :confused:

But I loved the Lord of the Rings movies which had a similar theme.

I cannot wait to pick up the Dark Knight from BB on Tuesday after work! :D

I thought Prince Caspian was fantasitc!!! Liked it better than the first one, and the SQ/PQ were stellar.:)

Ditto. I found it to be better than the first and the PQ/SQ were amazing.

Regarding DK, People know about the switching Aspect Ratios right? The majority of the film is 2.40 widescreen with it zooming out to 1.78 from time to time. It's really going to mess with people that either have fixed screens or the idiots that like to zoom their BD's to get rid of the black bars.

Ditto. I found it to be better than the first and the PQ/SQ were amazing.

Regarding DK, People know about the switching Aspect Ratios right? The majority of the film is 2.40 widescreen with it zooming out to 1.78 from time to time. It's really going to mess with people that either have fixed screens or the idiots that like to zoom their BD's to get rid of the black bars.

What the heck? This is the first I have heard of the DK aspect ratio situation. That kind_of sucks since my new setup will be a constant image height scenario. That means that I will have to keep the movie on a 16:9 setup and watch the stupid bars appear and reappear :rolleyes:.
Thanks a lot Warner!:mad:
What the hell were they thinking!? That would mean that this can't even be viewed in cinemascope at a real theater either :eek:.

What the hell were they thinking!?
The movie had scenes shot in 70mm IMAX, so if you saw it in an IMAX theater, the IMAX scenes filled up the screen, while the regular 35mm sequences were letter-boxed. The release sent to regular cinemas had the IMAX scenes cropped. The director felt the best way to view the movie was in IMAX theaters, and determined that since most HD home viewers would have 16x9 screens, decided to take advantage of the unused top/bottom portion of most HD displays during the IMAX sequences. I think that makes sense for 16x9 screens, but ideally they should have used branching to allow the user to choose between constant and variable aspect ratios.

The movie had scenes shot in 70mm IMAX, so if you saw it in an IMAX theater, the IMAX scenes filled up the screen, while the regular 35mm sequences were letter-boxed. The release sent to regular cinemas had the IMAX scenes cropped. The director felt the best way to view the movie was in IMAX theaters, and determined that since most HD home viewers would have 16x9 screens, decided to take advantage of the unused top/bottom portion of most HD displays during the IMAX sequences. I think that makes sense for 16x9 screens, but ideally they should have used branching to allow the user to choose between constant and variable aspect ratios.

did you see the 15 minute "making of" DK on HBO ?

those giant IMAX cameras strapped to that car were awesome :D

I thought Prince Caspian was fantasitc!!! Liked it better than the first one, and the SQ/PQ were stellar.:)


Sound and picture were very good.

But I didn't like the film itself. The kids annoyed me and I didn't like the story. I really thought I would because I heard so many others like it, but honestly LOTR Trilogy crushes it in my eyes.

When are those coming on Blu-Ray?

Sound and picture were very good.

But I didn't like the film itself. The kids annoyed me and I didn't like the story. I really thought I would because I heard so many others like it, but honestly LOTR Trilogy crushes it in my eyes.

When are those coming on Blu-Ray?

Boy it will be great to get LOTR on BD!

Boy it will be great to get LOTR on BD!

They have to be my most wanted Blu-Rays....


I just hope they give us the extended/regular all in one additions, but I doubt it.

One can wish though...

2009 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1021639)for The Lord of the Rings but it is expected to be the theatrical versions unfortunately, at least initially.

i thought prince caspian was fantasitc!!! Liked it better than the first one, and the sq/pq were stellar.:)

+1

I saw Space Chimps over the weekend and I thought the bass in this movie was better than Wanted. Narnia 2 had very good bass also the only thing the movie was rather long.

Wanted has some good thumps and gunshots, but the real deal was mummy: the tomb of the dragon emperor...what a amazing bass overall. Hold your pants when they fly that one ww2 plane at first time.:eek::D

I saw Space Chimps over the weekend and I thought the bass in this movie was better than Wanted. Narnia 2 had very good bass also the only thing the movie was rather long.
:rolleyes:SC was torture to sit through...weak script and horribly dated CG!

Dark Knight bass movie of the week???

I'll be watching the blu ray tonight so we shall see :D

Dark Knight bass movie of the week???

I'll be watching the blu ray tonight so we shall see :D

Be ready when you see that (up):eek: word and later that one epic rpg hit.:cool:

Today will certainly be 'Dark Knight-palooza' here and everywhere else online. As if we didn't have enough DK threads in the BD sections. :p

I guess I will join the club. :D This baby will be played LOUD!

Today will certainly be 'Dark Knight-palooza' here and everywhere else online. As if we didn't have enough DK threads in the BD sections. :p

I guess I will join the club. :D This baby will be played LOUD!

Mine will probably be popped in the PS3 around 6:30pm with thoughts on AVS to follow.

I'm guessing I'll choose around -7db maybe -6db Master Volume with the PB-13 running only about 1-1.5db hot. :D

Should be fun and loud in my 1800cu ft theater :D

Pick it up today. Watch it tomorrow. SubMersive in a 1000cf room should be equally as fun:p:D

Pick it up today. Watch it tomorrow. SubMersive in a 1000cf room should be equally as fun:p:D

Now thats a lot of sub for a small room :) My man!

Now thats a lot of sub for a small room :) My man!

I know. But if Mark had his way I would have at least 1-2 more in there:eek:.
It should be cool.

Picked up a copy on my lunch. Came home and watched the opening and the Batmobile/Batpod action scene. WooooooOOoo!!! My twin 18's were ROCKING my side of the house. Whew. I can't imagine what it will be like when I add the second pair of 18's. :D

The Bass movie of the week can be changed to The Dark Knight now. There are many awesome moments of Bass.:)

I just got finished watching it as well and it is extremely impressive throughout. Low bass in spades, but the most impressive thing were the bass hits that kick you right in the chest. This movie seems to have done it better than any other I've heard. Highly recommended.

The Dark Night just flat out sounds fantastic with the full spectrum. The bass has slam and extension. That scene when he fires several rounds on that computer gun is just awesome.

All these positives are great to hear. Tonight I will be able to check it out as well. I have high hopes.

Got my copy of The Dark Knight! I'm planning to watch it soon. Hopefully it'll give the Ultras a good workout!:D

The Dark Night just flat out sounds fantastic with the full spectrum. The bass has slam and extension. That scene when he fires several rounds on that computer gun is just awesome.


I noticed this part played back on my system to be lacking the real loudness and dynamic 'crack' of each shot like I heard at the theaters. Although I know its just the mains not keeping up with my volume needs. ;) Must have sounded perfect on your JBL cinema speakers.

Looks like I will be going 'horn loaded' in 2009. :cool:

I watched a NetFlix'd copy of Journey to the Center of the Earth last night :o. Warning! Under no circumstances should anyone ever watch this film. It is hands down one of the worst, most painful to watch movies I have ever seen. EVER. The acting is utterly atrocious. The plot is even stupider than it had to be in the first place and the CGI is so bad I could barely watch it. I give it -.5 stars. Seriously it is incredibly terrible. We were cracking jokes and making fun of it the whole time and that's the only way we made it through. It does have some decent bass in it but it can't save this turd.

I watched a NetFlix'd copy of Journey to the Center of the Earth last night :o. Warning! Under no circumstances should anyone ever watch this film. It is hands down one of the worst, most painful to watch movies I have ever seen. EVER. The acting is utterly atrocious. The plot is even stupider than it had to be in the first place and the CGI is so bad I could barely watch it. I give it -.5 stars. Seriously it is incredibly terrible. We were cracking jokes and making fun of it the whole time and that's the only way we made it through. It does have some decent bass in it but it can't save this turd.

Thanks for the heads-up! Seems like I had read this soemwhere before as well. :)

I watched a NetFlix'd copy of Journey to the Center of the Earth last night :o. Warning! Under no circumstances should anyone ever watch this film. It is hands down one of the worst, most painful to watch movies I have ever seen. EVER. The acting is utterly atrocious. The plot is even stupider than it had to be in the first place and the CGI is so bad I could barely watch it. I give it -.5 stars. Seriously it is incredibly terrible. We were cracking jokes and making fun of it the whole time and that's the only way we made it through. It does have some decent bass in it but it can't save this turd.


Agree...and I was stupid enough to buy it in blue ray - 3d...the 3d was the only thing I could say made it some what entertaining...and thats pushing the word "entertaining".

I noticed this part played back on my system to be lacking the real loudness and dynamic 'crack' of each shot like I heard at the theaters. Although I know its just the mains not keeping up with my volume needs. ;) Must have sounded perfect on your JBL cinema speakers.

Looks like I will be going 'horn loaded' in 2009. :cool:

Hearing dynamics like that at the theater is the reason why I wanted that sound. It is even better at home with much better and much deeper extending subs. It was just as dynamic as theater and made people duck in my room. I love this movie and the bass is great as well.

I noticed this part played back on my system to be lacking the real loudness and dynamic 'crack' of each shot like I heard at the theaters. Although I know its just the mains not keeping up with my volume needs. ;) Must have sounded perfect on your JBL cinema speakers.

Looks like I will be going 'horn loaded' in 2009. :cool:

That's what I'm afraid of as well. Got plenty of subwoofage but I had a feeling the shots were probably 100hz or above. I doubt my mains will do that scene much justice either :(. That was the one scene in the theater that really impressed me with impact. I'm sure the rest of the movie will be better at home :)

I just finished my first viewing and was quite impressed. SQ/PQ were faboulous. It was eerie seeing Heath Ledger's last role as an actor though...

I watched a NetFlix'd copy of Journey to the Center of the Earth last night :o. Warning! Under no circumstances should anyone ever watch this film. It is hands down one of the worst, most painful to watch movies I have ever seen. EVER. The acting is utterly atrocious. The plot is even stupider than it had to be in the first place and the CGI is so bad I could barely watch it. I give it -.5 stars. Seriously it is incredibly terrible. We were cracking jokes and making fun of it the whole time and that's the only way we made it through. It does have some decent bass in it but it can't save this turd.

U rated it higher than I did..:D

HH

That's what I'm afraid of as well. Got plenty of subwoofage but I had a feeling the shots were probably 100hz or above. I doubt my mains will do that scene much justice either :(. That was the one scene in the theater that really impressed me with impact. I'm sure the rest of the movie will be better at home :)

100hz?? hmm....can we get a waterfall :D

That would be a perfect reason for an MBM.

The more I think about it the more I see reasons for an MBM type sub.

SUB to handle 60hz and BELOW.
MBM to handle 60-150hz
Mains and others to handle 150hz and above

This scene might make a strong point for it if it it is centered ABOVE 60-70hz...

Agree...and I was stupid enough to buy it in blue ray - 3d...".

I'm truly sorry for your loss (bows head in a moment of silence). Perhaps you should go to the directors house and ask for a refund like on the episode of Southpark where they watch the Passion of Christ and go to Mel Gibson's house.:D

"You wanna whip me don't you!? Don't you!?"

100hz?? hmm....can we get a waterfall :D

That would be a perfect reason for an MBM.

The more I think about it the more I see reasons for an MBM type sub.

SUB to handle 60hz and BELOW.
MBM to handle 60-150hz
Mains and others to handle 150hz and above

This scene might make a strong point for it if it it is centered ABOVE 60-70hz...

I disagree with the earlier statements that this scene was not as impactful at home as in the theater. My mains are Salk SongTowers which have good usable response down to 38 hz (from 5.5" drivers!) and I have the standard THX crossover point of 80hz and this scene had TONS of impact!!

I disagree with the earlier statements that this scene was not as impactful at home as in the theater. My mains are Salk SongTowers which have good usable response down to 38 hz (from 5.5" drivers!) and I have the standard THX crossover point of 80hz and this scene had TONS of impact!!

Honsestly, I felt it had tons of impact as well. Made me jump out of my seat...;)

I ran some tests.

Speakers ON and SUB ON
Sounded amazingly powerful with punch to me.

Speakers ON and SUB OFF
I really didn't feel like there was much above the 80hz cross over I'm running. Sure there was some but nothing that would make me think it was over 80hz.

Speakers OFF and SUB ON
This is where the bass really was. First pulse was around 105db, but then the next few got STRONGER to the tune of 110-112db. Very PUNCH you in the chest and GONE feeling.


In summary I am going to bet it is around 40-50hz area for the shots.

:D

Got finished watching The Dark Knight on DVD and just like everyone else here said...It's amazing in every aspect. Clipped my amp on the heavy bass scenes. +1 vote for the new bass movie of the week/month/year.

I disagree with the earlier statements that this scene was not as impactful at home as in the theater. My mains are Salk SongTowers which have good usable response down to 38 hz (from 5.5" drivers!) and I have the standard THX crossover point of 80hz and this scene had TONS of impact!!

I haven't actually seen it at home yet so I can't be sure. It's just when I saw it in the theater the rail gun shots seemed to be a higher frequency than most of the bass we like to drool over here on AVS ;). Glad to hear the scene was good on your setup - give me some hope. I'm just preparing to be underwhelmed so I can be pleasantly surprised.

Maybe I am missing something, but the lfe just wasn't that great...good, but not great...the last hour, there seemed to a severe lacking of lfe with certain scenes. Thought maybe it was my setup, but never had a problem in the past with other movies rated high in the lfe. I guess I was expecting more.

With that being said, I was impressed with the mid bass, gun shots. I have a pair of mbm's nearfield and 3.3 in the corner. I truly am a believer in this concept of splitting the frequency. Some real quick chest hitting material with those shots.

Yes it was a "good" bass movie, but IMO, not great.

The joker character was excellent, but not sure why they had batman talk nasally, like his nose was being pinched. It really started to annoy me after a while, but still entertaining pic.

I think the voice was sort of part of Batman's disguise. The idea is to keep people from noticing that he sounds a lot like Bruce Wayne.

I not sure why your LFE should be lacking in this movie. Although the bass is mainly confined to the action scenes, during those scenes it sounds both strong and deep.

Yes it was a "good" bass movie, but IMO, not great.




Yes, agreed. IMO, the most bass output occurred when the hospital was blown up. I was hitting 108-109 dB uncorrected during that scene (15 dB below reference on the MV). There were numerous high impact scenes throughout though.

I think the voice was sort of part of Batman's disguise. The idea is to keep people from noticing that he sounds a lot like Bruce Wayne.

couldn't they just give him a pair of glasses like Clark Kent ? :p

couldn't they just give him a pair of glasses like Clark Kent ? :p

Now that's just hokey.:p

Maybe I am missing something, but the lfe just wasn't that great...good, but not great...the last hour, there seemed to a severe lacking of lfe with certain scenes. Thought maybe it was my setup, but never had a problem in the past with other movies rated high in the lfe. I guess I was expecting more.

With that being said, I was impressed with the mid bass, gun shots. I have a pair of mbm's nearfield and 3.3 in the corner. I truly am a believer in this concept of splitting the frequency. Some real quick chest hitting material with those shots.

Yes it was a "good" bass movie, but IMO, not great.

The joker character was excellent, but not sure why they had batman talk nasally, like his nose was being pinched. It really started to annoy me after a while, but still entertaining pic.


I am probably one of the pickiest bass members on this board and I would even say this movie was worthy of 4.5 stars. It is not perfection like WOTW and Colverfield, but it is pretty darn close.

Sure the hospital scene was powerful (30-50hz area) and the gun shots were powerful (I'm betting 40-60hz area), but scenes that really made you feel it where when the batmobile was present. These scenes just had this low end feel and sound that really made a difference.

I also watch the movies pretty loud. -6db from Reference was my listening volume with the sub running 1db MAYBE 2db HOT.
The difference in overall Master volume might impact your expereince too. croseiv said he was hitting 108-109 dB uncorrected during that scene.

I was hitting near 113-114db uncorrected. Those 5db of energy really do make a difference in not only the sound, but the feeling.

If you have the headroom and can stand it crank the movie up a little more and see if you feel differently. I have the headroom to achieve that level because my room is only 1800cu ft and basically sealed, so my Ultra easily reaches levels near 115db.

:eek:

I am probably one of the pickiest bass members on this board and I would even say this movie was worthy of 4.5 stars. It is not perfection like WOTW and Colverfield, but it is pretty darn close.

Sure the hospital scene was powerful (30-50hz area) and the gun shots were powerful (I'm betting 40-60hz area), but scenes that really made you feel it where when the batmobile was present. These scenes just had this low end feel and sound that really made a difference.

I also watch the movies pretty loud. -6db from Reference was my listening volume with the sub running 1db MAYBE 2db HOT.
The difference in overall Master volume might impact your expereince too. croseiv said he was hitting 108-109 dB uncorrected during that scene.

I was hitting near 113-114db uncorrected. Those 5db of energy really do make a difference in not only the sound, but the feeling.

If you have the headroom and can stand it crank the movie up a little more and see if you feel differently. I have the headroom to achieve that level because my room is only 1800cu ft and basically sealed, so my Ultra easily reaches levels near 115db.

:eek:

Agreed on all of this. We have to remember that the subwoofer plays the largest role here. You have an Ultra and I have an Epik Tower and both are properly calibrated/integrated into our systems. Both are also some of the very best subwoofers available today, meaning in the top 5-10% of products on the market right now. Yes there are better, and yes DIY ... well you get the idea. I'm not trying to open a can of worms here. Just stating what's painfully obvious here. If I did not have the Tower then this movie wouldn't be what it is which is a first class movie in all sound editing regards. I'd also give it 4.5 stars. If judging based on the amount of "content throughout" I'd give it 5 stars. Sure Flight of the Phoenix has one of the most ridiculous bass scenes ever, but it's not impressive all the way through the film. The Dark Knight is.

I think we should find out what others are using to find out if it's a weakness of the system or maybe something else. I watched the movie in Dolby Digital on Blu-Ray as I do not have TrueHD or DTS MA capabilities in my system. I wish I did! :D

I think you would find that when it comes to bass, TrueHD or DTS MA will not make that much difference. It all gets down to how the engineers mixed the tracks.

Can't wait to give it a full go with my SubMersive :). I am predicting a fun time :D.

Agreed on all of this. We have to remember that the subwoofer plays the largest role here. You have an Ultra and I have an Epik Tower and both are properly calibrated/integrated into our systems. Both are also some of the very best subwoofers available today, meaning in the top 5-10% of products on the market right now. Yes there are better, and yes DIY ... well you get the idea. I'm not trying to open a can of worms here. Just stating what's painfully obvious here. If I did not have the Tower then this movie wouldn't be what it is which is a first class movie in all sound editing regards. I'd also give it 4.5 stars. If judging based on the amount of "content throughout" I'd give it 5 stars. Sure Flight of the Phoenix has one of the most ridiculous bass scenes ever, but it's not impressive all the way through the film. The Dark Knight is.

I think we should find out what others are using to find out if it's a weakness of the system or maybe something else. I watched the movie in Dolby Digital on Blu-Ray as I do not have TrueHD or DTS MA capabilities in my system. I wish I did! :D

I guess maybe it was a little overhyped IMO. It was very good stuff. I personally think Iron man and Kung Fu Panda edge out Dark Knight when it comes to audio and bass....But that's just my opinion...:D Those movies were much more surprising to me. We all hear things differently...

To me, the Dark Night was the best audio experience in my system so far. To be fair, I recently just changed my subs and added bass traps and more. I just love the score to this movie which helps.

To me, the Dark Night was the best audio experience in my system so far. To be fair, I recently just changed my subs and added bass traps and more. I just love the score to this movie which helps.

did you cut them all in half and make 8 sealed subs out of them ?

Agreed on all of this. We have to remember that the subwoofer plays the largest role here. You have an Ultra and I have an Epik Tower and both are properly calibrated/integrated into our systems. Both are also some of the very best subwoofers available today, meaning in the top 5-10% of products on the market right now. Yes there are better, and yes DIY ... well you get the idea. I'm not trying to open a can of worms here. Just stating what's painfully obvious here. If I did not have the Tower then this movie wouldn't be what it is which is a first class movie in all sound editing regards. I'd also give it 4.5 stars. If judging based on the amount of "content throughout" I'd give it 5 stars. Sure Flight of the Phoenix has one of the most ridiculous bass scenes ever, but it's not impressive all the way through the film. The Dark Knight is.

I think we should find out what others are using to find out if it's a weakness of the system or maybe something else. I watched the movie in Dolby Digital on Blu-Ray as I do not have TrueHD or DTS MA capabilities in my system. I wish I did! :D


Yes, Yes and Yes...

Make of sub, size and shape of room, types of furniture and carpet, room treatments or not, listening volume, sub volume...

These all make things very very different for everyone and we should mention these factors when we weigh in on movies :D

I guess maybe it was a little overhyped IMO. It was very good stuff. I personally think Iron man and Kung Fu Panda edge out Dark Knight when it comes to audio and bass....But that's just my opinion...:D Those movies were much more surprising to me. We all hear things differently...

Haven't heard Kung Fu Panda, but Iron Man was no where near the audio experience that The Dark Knight was in bass or any other category for that matter. In fact the Iron Man audio mix was quite poor in my opinion. Muddy one note bass throughout the majority of it. Some places were exceptions (footsteps of Ironman's initial suit) but the bass of the flamethrower to follow was very muddy and one note.

Haven't heard Kung Fu Panda, but Iron Man was no where near the audio experience that The Dark Knight was in bass or any other category for that matter. In fact the Iron Man audio mix was quite poor in my opinion. Muddy one note bass throughout the majority of it. Some places were exceptions (footsteps of Ironman's initial suit) but the bass of the flamethrower to follow was very muddy and one note.

That particular sequence (the cave exit) was by far the worst sounding part in Ironman, imho. I thought the opening surprise shots were great. So were parts later on in the film but the part with the Mk.1 suit outside didn't match the visuals. The .50cal sounded alright but once everything was engulfed in flames and boxes and all that are exploding there just wasn't any audio to keep up with that. Boomy, slow bass during that part. Not exciting sounding. Now later on it gets better but not great. I'd give IM a 3-3.5 in bass and DK would get a 4-4.5 in bass quality. Something like Cloverfield would rate up to 5 but these are just personal opinions. :p

did you cut them all in half and make 8 sealed subs out of them ?

actually I cut them in 3rd's.

Some places were exceptions (footsteps of Ironman's initial suit) but the bass of the flamethrower to follow was very muddy and one note.

Honestly, in Iron Man, the cave exit scene had some impact but less than when when Ironman is fighting in the cave just prior (as when he smashes the metal doors or slams his arm into the cave rock). Don't forget when he first tests his hand lazers. Then there's the impact of the sonic boom, or the jericho missle explosion. Not to mention when he is zorching the enemy with his hand laser thingies (this is in True HD mind you). I didn't find any of Iron Man to be muddy in the least. As for your muddiness it sounds possibly like a sub placement issue to me.;)

I'd give Iron Man 4.5 stars...
DK 4.5 stars...
Kung Fu Panda 4.6...:D

But that's just my opinion.

I have not watched Kung Fu Panda yet at reference levels like I do on all my movies. I bet some scenes will rock me. I did watch it at -10db's from reference and it was great. I need to rewatch all the great movies again and rate them. I wonder how much the great audio from the DK was from changing my system and room. I will find out soon. The great thing about the DK was how everything went together, the bass was very accurate. Shotguns were felt, blasts were felt, heavy moving objects rattled, etc... Some movies just rattle and not have all the types of bass like the DK.

I thought KFP was a 4.0 star movie...the Squadooch scene was impressive along with when the tiger dude was breaking out, other than that it wasn't anything special (I don't own it, I rented the BluRay...Maybe I'll get it again and listen more closely).

TDK was a 4.5 I just thought the whole movie had well placed bass....deep bass, impactful quick bass, and ominious not so obvious bass.

Ironman was also a 4.5 Not as much total bass as TDK, but the scenes that stood out really stood out well to me. The SONIC BOOM and the Wave of destruction to follow about 15seconds later was the best BASS scene in the movie to me.

Again to each their own :D

ps....I have been running 15hz mode for a while. I'm going to switch over and try 20hz mode for a while just for something to do. The extra 2-3db of output above 20hz is making me wonder :D

PSS....We should start a thread where we all PERSONALLY rate these movies and just update our post with our ratings. Could be fun to compare our thoughts. We could also post all of our room, subwoofer, and calibration information in our post so we can have some reference for everyones systems. Use a rating scale of 0.0 to 5.0 (with tenth increments and WOTW and CLOVERFIELD=5.0)

PSS....We should start a thread where we all PERSONALLY rate these movies and just update our post with our ratings. Could be fun to compare our thoughts. We could also post all of our room, subwoofer, and calibration information in our post so we can have some reference for everyones systems. Use a rating scale of 0.0 to 5.0 (with tenth increments and WOTW and CLOVERFIELD=5.0) [/I][/B]

I was not impressed with Cloverfield...Now there's some droning, boring bass I was tired of it by the end....4.0 in my book. It's more about the presentation of the bass too. I'll agree with WOTW at 5 for now. But in a sense, many of these will be revised with the new crop of True HD, DTSMA tracks coming out.

You've got to determine how you are rating the bass too on top of what listening levels are used and what sw's. Is it a 5.0 just because it has crazy huge amounts of bass but not really a lot of texture or variety to go with it (Cloverfield IMHP). Is it a movie with maybe not as much overall bass but more variety and tone to things that better matches the scenes ( The Incredibles ). The rare movie that does both ( M&C)?

Is it all about just the amount of bass?

I still give Cloverfield a 5.0 but It isn't a movie I would reach for to demo for somebody.

Is it all about just the amount of bass?

I still give Cloverfield a 5.0 but It isn't a movie I would reach for to demo for somebody.

In my case no, it's more about amount of, quality of and presentation.

This type of thing is so subjective anyway, that I don't see how such a thread could survive without breaking down into an all out war..:)

Haven't heard Kung Fu Panda, but Iron Man was no where near the audio experience that The Dark Knight was in bass or any other category for that matter. In fact the Iron Man audio mix was quite poor in my opinion. Muddy one note bass throughout the majority of it. Some places were exceptions (footsteps of Ironman's initial suit) but the bass of the flamethrower to follow was very muddy and one note.

That particular sequence (the cave exit) was by far the worst sounding part in Ironman, imho. I thought the opening surprise shots were great. So were parts later on in the film but the part with the Mk.1 suit outside didn't match the visuals. The .50cal sounded alright but once everything was engulfed in flames and boxes and all that are exploding there just wasn't any audio to keep up with that. Boomy, slow bass during that part. Not exciting sounding. Now later on it gets better but not great. I'd give IM a 3-3.5 in bass and DK would get a 4-4.5 in bass quality. Something like Cloverfield would rate up to 5 but these are just personal opinions. :p

I agree. The flamethrower scene was very unimpressive and not articulate at all. After all of the hype about Iron Man, I found it a bit of a let down in terms of bass. That said, it was still an enjoyable movie.

I found it a bit of a let down in terms of bass. .


Two different people can look at that same thing and have quite different experiences, hence the subjective nature of audio. Personally, I found Iron Man to exceed my initial expectations, but that's because it was my first blu-ray/ True-HD experience. It left a huge grin on my face.

Dark Knight was equally good in that regard, in a way though, such movies are rather predicatable with all of the shooting and explosions. I think that's why I found Kung Fu Panda to be so good in that it was chock full of LFE "surprises" that weren't expected.

But I'm off to view some of the LFE scenes in DK....

Agreed on all of this. We have to remember that the subwoofer plays the largest role here. You have an Ultra and I have an Epik Tower and both are properly calibrated/integrated into our systems. Both are also some of the very best subwoofers available today, meaning in the top 5-10% of products on the market right now. Yes there are better, and yes DIY ... well you get the idea. I'm not trying to open a can of worms here. Just stating what's painfully obvious here. If I did not have the Tower then this movie wouldn't be what it is which is a first class movie in all sound editing regards. I'd also give it 4.5 stars. If judging based on the amount of "content throughout" I'd give it 5 stars. Sure Flight of the Phoenix has one of the most ridiculous bass scenes ever, but it's not impressive all the way through the film. The Dark Knight is.

I think we should find out what others are using to find out if it's a weakness of the system or maybe something else. I watched the movie in Dolby Digital on Blu-Ray as I do not have TrueHD or DTS MA capabilities in my system. I wish I did! :D

I agree...but what I can't figure out is why kung fu panda, wow, transformers (all in BR) had the seriuos rumble and lows listening at the same reference levels and my system is well calibrated...weird how one movies impression is different from others...dark knight good, but not great.

I agree...but what I can't figure out is why kung fu panda, wow, transformers (all in BR) had the seriuos rumble and lows listening at the same reference levels and my system is well calibrated...weird how one movies impression is different from others...dark knight good, but not great.


Is it possible that in the case of the Dark Knight, the frequecies where much of the bass energy lies is in an area where you have a dip or a null? Have you ever checked your bass frequency response?

I supposed it's also possible people have different impressions of what is "impressive" to them. :D

Personally I haven't ever felt War of the World was all it's cracked up to be, but people still say it is the reference disc of them all. I simply don't agree.

In my case no, it's more about amount of, quality of and presentation.

This type of thing is so subjective anyway, that I don't see how such a thread could survive without breaking down into an all out war..:)

I weight mine like this.
1. Amount of overall LFE during the movie
2. Extension (how low does it go)
3. SPL during major scenes

I thought KFP was a 4.0 star movie...the Squadooch scene was impressive along with when the tiger dude was breaking out, other than that it wasn't anything special (I don't own it, I rented the BluRay...Maybe I'll get it again and listen more closely).

TDK was a 4.5 I just thought the whole movie had well placed bass....deep bass, impactful quick bass, and ominious not so obvious bass.

Ironman was also a 4.5 Not as much total bass as TDK, but the scenes that stood out really stood out well to me. The SONIC BOOM and the Wave of destruction to follow about 15seconds later was the best BASS scene in the movie to me.

Again to each their own :D

ps....I have been running 15hz mode for a while. I'm going to switch over and try 20hz mode for a while just for something to do. The extra 2-3db of output above 20hz is making me wonder :D

PSS....We should start a thread where we all PERSONALLY rate these movies and just update our post with our ratings. Could be fun to compare our thoughts. We could also post all of our room, subwoofer, and calibration information in our post so we can have some reference for everyones systems. Use a rating scale of 0.0 to 5.0 (with tenth increments and WOTW and CLOVERFIELD=5.0)

I tend to agree with you on most accounts...

KFP didn't do it for me and I would rate it as a 3.5 on my scale if going up to 5. I also was disappointed with transformers and rate that at a 3.
I would rate cloverfield and WOW at a 5 and also put hellboy 2 in at a 5.

Can't wait for Dark Knight, hopefully I will listen to it tonight.

I weight mine like this.
1. Amount of overall LFE during the movie
2. Extension (how low does it go)
3. SPL during major scenes


Yeah, SPL is definitely a factor, but some people are hitting 120 dB on scenes, and others aren't, so the question here becomes what was the true intent of the movie maker? And I guess that's where the MV/Calibration/room size, distance from sub etc... all come into play.

I want to revisit DK and listen more carefully to the LFE (when my family is away somehow)...:p

PSS....We should start a thread where we all PERSONALLY rate these movies and just update our post with our ratings. Could be fun to compare our thoughts. We could also post all of our room, subwoofer, and calibration information in our post so we can have some reference for everyones systems. Use a rating scale of 0.0 to 5.0 (with tenth increments and WOTW and CLOVERFIELD=5.0)

Wait.

Isn't this that thread? :confused:

If not then I am trippin' on page 1 of this thread. :p

We need to get DrPainMD to update the movie of the month eh? It still says The Hulk is. I vote for Dark Knight for sure...

Regarding the bass I'd agree with crossiev on this. I think I expected TDK to be THE bass movie and it's not. It is quite good though.

FWIW, my subwoofer is a SVS PB12 Ultra 2.

Wait.

Isn't this that thread? :confused:

If not then I am trippin' on page 1 of this thread. :p

What i mean is we all make a post and update it with the movies we have watched and our rankings. It would be like a thread inside this thread. LOL

Is it possible that in the case of the Dark Knight, the frequecies where much of the bass energy lies is in an area where you have a dip or a null? Have you ever checked your bass frequency response?


Yes, I do have a few dips, but running as close to flat as possible. Going with one more hsu 3.3 to balance it out...maybe I was just expecting more from the movie.

Every movie that everyone says how great the lows are, I tend to always be in agreement...I am going to watch it again tomorrow.

Maybe that nasally speaking batman was getting to me...

I have dual 3.3 turbos and dual MBM-12 and the bass in DK was very good. Not to the extent of a WOW or Cloverfield. It did have plenty of bass and the hospital explosion was the best IMO and I believe the lowest. I have to agree about Ironman I loved the bass but it seemed like most of the bass sounded the same. By the way my subs are calibrated and flat to about 13hz.

I am going to watch TDK again hopefully very soon and this time I'm going to go with 20hz mode on my Ultra instead of 15hz. We'll see if the extra 2db-2.5db of extra output makes a bigger impact. Plus I'll pay even more attention to LFE detail. :D

My main area of dip that I've flattened pretty well was from 55-65hz. From 50hz down I'm very very flat.

I know everyone is loving TDK and for good reason! Great LFE throughout....though im watching Horton Hears a Who...and well its got some really nice bass! rather suprising actually! so if your looking for a famliy pleaser with some nice sound...check it out!

Is Dark Knight going to be added to the list? Can someone list Chapter & timestamps? Is it going to be up for a STAR rating? Does it have to be officially nominated? Eventually some waterfalls to got with the timestamps? Doc- you out there?

I just watched my usual scenes of Transformers, DK, Incredible hulk, Cloverfield, WOTW, and the THX amazing life all at reference levels. WOTW and Cloverfield are the spl power houses. Transformers is a midbass monster. DK and the incredible hulk have alot of variety of bass not quite as loud as WOTW and cloverfield but the articulation and variety make them great IMHO.

Is Dark Knight going to be added to the list? Can someone list Chapter & timestamps? Is it going to be up for a STAR rating? Does it have to be officially nominated? Eventually some waterfalls to got with the timestamps? Doc- you out there?

I did post a few waterfalls some pages back...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=755493&page=77

has anyone charted `Horton hears a who's' opening tumble sequence?

I made a discovery regarding the sound track for TDK. I thought I was listening to the True HD track, but disovered it was the standard DD track. True HD sounds considerably better, especially the LFE. I re-viewed some of the key scenes being discussed and I'd bump this one up a couple to 4.7/5 stars. !!! So you guys need to make sure your player isn't defaulting to the DD track if you are using your player to decode..:)

I made a discovery regarding the sound track for TDK. I thought I was listening to the True HD track, but disovered it was the standard DD track. True HD sounds considerably better, especially the LFE. I re-viewed some of the key scenes being discussed and I'd bump this one up a couple to 4.7/5 stars. !!! So you guys need to make sure your player isn't defaulting to the DD track if you are using your player to decode..:)

+1 - I felt stupid after looking down at my AVR displaying "DD" only during the credits! This happens because the film just starts without going to a menu. I just assumed the like nearly all the other recent releases it would default to the HD audio. I went back and hit the major scenes in TrueHD.

The LFE on the True HD is different for sure--the computer gun on the rail was actually more accurate, though less impressive on TrueHD, while the opening scene was better. Hospital explosion was nearly the same. The chase was about the same as well. The sound track and general sound effects were clearly better on TrueHD to me.

Just my experience with my pb13 Ultra at 11 o'clock and my avr at +78db.

Overall, DK doesn't seem to be quite as deep as WOTW, FOTP, Cloverfield (or The Island - a personal favorite), but does have some great mid-bass and a wide variety of different LFE.

I really like it, but it doesn't rise to demo-level--with perhaps the exception of the opening scene. That really is impressive with a wide-array of LFE that punches and shakes.

The LFE on the True HD is different for sure--the computer gun on the rail was actually more accurate, though less impressive on TrueHD, while the opening scene was better. Hospital explosion was nearly the same. The chase was about the same as well. The sound track and general sound effects were clearly better on TrueHD to me.

Just my experience with my pb13 Ultra at 11 o'clock and my avr at +78db.



Gained 2 dB at the LP running the duals during the Hospital explosion scene (-15 from reference). The scene measured 108 dB peaks uncorrected at my LP. Sounded much more punchy too.

The computer gun shots sounded more articlute and punchy as well. Certainly changes the sountrack's flavor in a positive way.

Gained 2 dB at the LP running the duals during the Hospital explosion scene (-15 from reference). The scene measured 108 dB peaks uncorrected at my LP. Sounded much more punchy too..

Cool--I should get my meter out and do the same. Back in a while...

so we gonna see a GG Hospital bombing waterfall??

ONly downside is that the bombing aftermath fallout flyover shot was eerily similar to the OKC bombing .

so we gonna see a GG Hospital bombing waterfall??

ONly downside is that the bombing aftermath fallout flyover shot was eerily similar to the OKC bombing .

You know, I bet that was one expensive set /explosion for the Hospital explosion scene. It looked like they really blew a building up. I wonder if they did? Ledger was good in that role.....

+1 Horton is a real bass treat!I know everyone is loving TDK and for good reason! Great LFE throughout....though im watching Horton Hears a Who...and well its got some really nice bass! rather suprising actually! so if your looking for a famliy pleaser with some nice sound...check it out!

The Gotham General Hospital explosion was indeed a real one! It was the old Brach's Candy Building in Chicago:

"Filmmakers Blow Up Abandoned Building On 'Dark Knight' Set
CHICAGO, Illinois (August 30, 2007) — For the past several weeks, the cast and crew of “The Dark Knight,” the sequel to “Batman Begins,” have been shooting in Chicago under a mask of secrecy when possible.Kind of hard to do though when you blow up a building.Various picture and video images have inevitably been covertly captured from eager fans, spies, and passers-by and leaked to the public. But some things simply cannot be expected to remain under wraps until the film hits theatres next summer.

They used the abandoned Brach’s Candy Building, renamed it “Gotham General Hospital,” and proceeded to blow it up in a spectacular display of movie pyrotechnics as seen in these pictures.

Warner Bros paid for the demolition of the building so they could utilize it "


It looked like a real building to me in the movie! Pretty cool stunt.

I'll third Horton Hears a who. The opening sequences knocked a few pictures from my walls. My Ultra 2 was going nuts.

You can miss it. It's at the very first few minutes of the film.

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I'm gonna 4th it. HHW has great bass. There is some really low bass pulses through out, rumbly 20-30hz stuff and a good mix of punchy stuff too. Good quantities of bass too. A solid 4stars IMO.

Cool--I should get my meter out and do the same. Back in a while...

OK, did some comps with DK and my SPL meter at my LP (15' from front R corner PB13 Ultra) between the DD and the TrueHD mixes. The Ultra is tuned to 20hz, crossed at 50hz with my Dali Mentor 8's, and dialed to 11 o'clock gain. I have my AVR (Onkyo 875 passive) set to +78dB for volume.

Opening scene--bank robbery: DD = 104.7; True HD = 104.4
Computer Gun in laboratory: DD = 105.1; True HD = 105.5 (cleaner, deeper bass)
Chase scene--rocket launcher: DD = 110.6; TrueHD = 110.2
Hospital explosion: DD = 107.8; TrueHD = 107.8

So, Croseiv, I'm going to need duals, eh?! ;)

By comparison my legacy DTS of FOTP hits 117dB during the roll-over scene.

DK is really impressive nonetheless. I'd give it a 4.5 for sound and 4.75 for picture.

Just watched Matrix Reloaded on Blu-Ray. That TrueHD track is something very nice. Tons of LFE throughout. A few big LFE scenes too, but mostly just really well used LFE.

OK, did some comps with DK and my SPL meter at my LP (15' from front R corner PB13 Ultra) between the DD and the TrueHD mixes. The Ultra is tuned to 20hz, crossed at 50hz with my Dali Mentor 8's, and dialed to 11 o'clock gain. I have my AVR (Onkyo 875 passive) set to +78dB for volume.

Opening scene--bank robbery: DD = 104.7; True HD = 104.4
Computer Gun in laboratory: DD = 105.1; True HD = 105.5 (cleaner, deeper bass)
Chase scene--rocket launcher: DD = 110.6; TrueHD = 110.2
Hospital explosion: DD = 107.8; TrueHD = 107.8

So, Croseiv, I'm going to need duals, eh?! ;)

By comparison my legacy DTS of FOTP hits 117dB during the roll-over scene.

DK is really impressive nonetheless. I'd give it a 4.5 for sound and 4.75 for picture.

What is reference level in your system? Are you saying that you are listening at 78 dB? That would be 7 dB below reference. Just curious. My measurements were at -15 dB below reference. On DD I'm getting 106-7 dB but True HD 107-108, so that really only averages to maybe 1 dB. Using the Radio Shack digital SPL meter which clearly isn't as accurate as yours is. If I get the time I may measure the other scenes to see how they compare.

What is reference level in your system? Are you saying that you are listening at 78 dB? That would be 7 dB below reference. Just curious. My measurements were at -15 dB below reference. On DD I'm getting 106-7 dB but True HD 107-108, so that really only averages to maybe 1 dB. Using the Radio Shack digital SPL meter which clearly isn't as accurate as yours is. If I get the time I may measure the other scenes to see how they compare.

I'm using the Galaxy C-140 spl meter.

You know, I haven't actually established "reference" level for my system.

I've just settled on my volume level of +78, which is plenty loud and satisfying (just enough for me, and on the edge of what my kids and wife will let me do with them watching too)! :D

Keep me posted on your numbers for any other scenes, etc.

Another +1 for HHW....I started the movie for the kids, went upstairs to make some popcorn and was startled by the bass:D

I think another one to watch for will be Bolt...we saw that in the theaters and the action scenes sounded awesome! ..and since when did they start renting 3-d glasses:mad:

What is reference level in your system? Are you saying that you are listening at 78 dB? That would be 7 dB below reference. Just curious. My measurements were at -15 dB below reference. On DD I'm getting 106-7 dB but True HD 107-108, so that really only averages to maybe 1 dB. Using the Radio Shack digital SPL meter which clearly isn't as accurate as yours is. If I get the time I may measure the other scenes to see how they compare.

Is there a link that someone can post that will explain to me what this is that you are talking about? How do I know what is reference level and how do i measure what frequency my sub is playing? Should I buy a SPL to understand all this? Im still learning. just upgraded all my audio equipement and want to get the most out of it.

I got pio elite 01, klipsch audio (rf-82, rc-62, rs-52, rw-12D) thanks,

Is there a link that someone can post that will explain to me what this is that you are talking about? How do I know what is reference level and how do i measure what frequency my sub is playing? Should I buy a SPL to understand all this? Im still learning. just upgraded all my audio equipement and want to get the most out of it.

I got pio elite 01, klipsch audio (rf-82, rc-62, rs-52, rw-12D) thanks,

First you need an SPL meter to calibrate your system. What most people do is buy a Radio Shack SPL meter. Then they run the "test tones" on their receiver. This will play a white noise test tone on each speaker. Use the SPL meter and the receiver's individual channel adjustments until the L, R, C, and surrounds as well as sub are all set to 75db. You do not need to adjust the volume on your receiver as test tones are always output at a standard volume level close to 75db. Most of the time you will need to make distance adjustments as well as level adjustments on each channel though to "normalize" everything to the same volume. This ensures proper volume from each channel and that you can get as close to the original source as the mixers intended.

Some people like to run their center channels "hot" (or louder than the rest of the channels) especially if their center channels are proving to be less than adequate and dialogue is unintelligible as compared to program material. Only do this if you feel you have to after even calibration at 75db on all channels.

Regarding the sub channel it can be potentially the biggest pain. There are many methods to sub "placement" but one way to do it is place the sub where you normally sit, then play material with very consistent bass (think My Name is Mud by Primus) throughout. Then "crawl" through the room and see what area (normally a corner) offers the best/most bass response. Place the sub there then calibrate it even with the other speakers. Most SPL meters are 2-3db "down" or low so if you calibrate the sub channel at 75db on the SPL meter you are probably at 77 or 78db already or 2-3db hot as compared to mains. Some like to run this as high as 80db (or 7-8db hot compared to mains) but I'd experiment at 75db first and see what you think.

There is plenty of recommended reading on the subject, but this will get you started.

After you've calibrated "reference level" will be 00 on your receiver's volume knob if you have the type that starts around -60 and goes up from there. This is the absolute loudest most anyone would listen at, but most of us listen anywhere from -05 to -15 as our reference level.

-Chad

First you need an SPL meter to calibrate your system. What most people do is buy a Radio Shack SPL meter. Then they run the "test tones" on their receiver. This will play a white noise test tone on each speaker. Use the SPL meter and the receiver's individual channel adjustments until the L, R, C, and surrounds as well as sub are all set to 75db. You do not need to adjust the volume on your receiver as test tones are always output at a standard volume level close to 75db. Most of the time you will need to make distance adjustments as well as level adjustments on each channel though to "normalize" everything to the same volume. This ensures proper volume from each channel and that you can get as close to the original source as the mixers intended.

Some people like to run their center channels "hot" (or louder than the rest of the channels) especially if their center channels are proving to be less than adequate and dialogue is unintelligible as compared to program material. Only do this if you feel you have to after even calibration at 75db on all channels.

Regarding the sub channel it can be potentially the biggest pain. There are many methods to sub "placement" but one way to do it is place the sub where you normally sit, then play material with very consistent bass (think My Name is Mud by Primus) throughout. Then "crawl" through the room and see what area (normally a corner) offers the best/most bass response. Place the sub there then calibrate it even with the other speakers. Most SPL meters are 2-3db "down" or low so if you calibrate the sub channel at 75db on the SPL meter you are probably at 77 or 78db already or 2-3db hot as compared to mains. Some like to run this as high as 80db (or 7-8db hot compared to mains) but I'd experiment at 75db first and see what you think.

There is plenty of recommended reading on the subject, but this will get you started.

After you've calibrated "reference level" will be 00 on your receiver's volume knob if you have the type that starts around -60 and goes up from there. This is the absolute loudest most anyone would listen at, but most of us listen anywhere from -05 to -15 as our reference level.

-Chad


Wow what a great answer! The only thing I would add is that Dolby Reference Level (or reference level) is=85dB with 105 dB peaks (115 dB peaks for the LFE channel). For 99% of us, that's way too loud in the average listening room. I think it's a mixing standard primarily for movie theaters.

However, many enthusiasts desire being able to play movies back at that level. I find -15 dB to be perfect for my environment.

Being able to get 115 dB peaks for the LFE channel is why you see so many of us running mutliple subwoofers.

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Nice work! The one with Tie Lung hitting the ground really has some puch to it! What's your impression?

What can I say? Sounds amazing, just as good as the skidoosh scene.

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This movie has so much sub content below 30hz. The end scene has lots of it, didn't want to use ALL my time plotting it.

OK, did some comps with DK and my SPL meter at my LP (15' from front R corner PB13 Ultra) between the DD and the TrueHD mixes. The Ultra is tuned to 20hz, crossed at 50hz with my Dali Mentor 8's, and dialed to 11 o'clock gain. I have my AVR (Onkyo 875 passive) set to +78dB for volume.

Opening scene--bank robbery: DD = 104.7; True HD = 104.4
Computer Gun in laboratory: DD = 105.1; True HD = 105.5 (cleaner, deeper bass)
Chase scene--rocket launcher: DD = 110.6; TrueHD = 110.2
Hospital explosion: DD = 107.8; TrueHD = 107.8

So, Croseiv, I'm going to need duals, eh?! ;)

By comparison my legacy DTS of FOTP hits 117dB during the roll-over scene.

DK is really impressive nonetheless. I'd give it a 4.5 for sound and 4.75 for picture.

Okay,

So I went back and made a couple more meaurements comparing DD vs. True HD in The Dark Knight (avg of three readings) using radio shack digital SPL meter C weighted fast MAX (-15 dB from reference level):

opening window explosion DD=99 dB True HD 99.3 dB (more articlate and deeper sounding)

Machine gun DD=104 dB True HD=104 dB(again more dynamic, punchy sounding)

Hospital Explosion DD=108 dB (bass seemed a little more droning) True HD=108.7dB (more dynamic, less droning, punchier)

At least on this disk, the two tracks were mixed very similarly to each other, I'm not really sure I could differentiate between the two blinded....

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Yeah. I really enjoyed this one! It has some pretty good LFE throughout.

Okay,

So I went back and made a couple more meaurements comparing DD vs. True HD in The Dark Knight (avg of three readings) using radio shack digital SPL meter C weighted fast MAX (-15 dB from reference level):

opening window explosion DD=99 dB True HD 99.3 dB (more articlate and deeper sounding)

Machine gun DD=104 dB True HD=104 dB(again more dynamic, punchy sounding)

Hospital Explosion DD=108 dB (bass seemed a little more droning) True HD=108.7dB (more dynamic, less droning, punchier)

At least on this disk, the two tracks were mixed very similarly to each other, I'm not really sure I could differentiate between the two blinded....

Cool--I concur about the blindfolded point, though on the machine gun in the lab I could tell a difference in my seat (lower infrasonics) on the True HD.

Thanks for the comps...

anyone see "the day the earth stood still" yet ?

that should be a pretty good bass movie perhaps

The Mummy: Tomb of the Emperor on BlueRay.

So many scenes with great bass.

First you need an SPL meter to calibrate your system. What most people do is buy a Radio Shack SPL meter. Then they run the "test tones" on their receiver. This will play a white noise test tone on each speaker. Use the SPL meter and the receiver's individual channel adjustments until the L, R, C, and surrounds as well as sub are all set to 75db. You do not need to adjust the volume on your receiver as test tones are always output at a standard volume level close to 75db. Most of the time you will need to make distance adjustments as well as level adjustments on each channel though to "normalize" everything to the same volume. This ensures proper volume from each channel and that you can get as close to the original source as the mixers intended.

Some people like to run their center channels "hot" (or louder than the rest of the channels) especially if their center channels are proving to be less than adequate and dialogue is unintelligible as compared to program material. Only do this if you feel you have to after even calibration at 75db on all channels.

Regarding the sub channel it can be potentially the biggest pain. There are many methods to sub "placement" but one way to do it is place the sub where you normally sit, then play material with very consistent bass (think My Name is Mud by Primus) throughout. Then "crawl" through the room and see what area (normally a corner) offers the best/most bass response. Place the sub there then calibrate it even with the other speakers. Most SPL meters are 2-3db "down" or low so if you calibrate the sub channel at 75db on the SPL meter you are probably at 77 or 78db already or 2-3db hot as compared to mains. Some like to run this as high as 80db (or 7-8db hot compared to mains) but I'd experiment at 75db first and see what you think.

There is plenty of recommended reading on the subject, but this will get you started.

After you've calibrated "reference level" will be 00 on your receiver's volume knob if you have the type that starts around -60 and goes up from there. This is the absolute loudest most anyone would listen at, but most of us listen anywhere from -05 to -15 as our reference level.

-Chad

you are the man, thank you so much. I will give it a try.

I agree about the Mummy 3, Lots of bass. That avalanche scene was incredible.

Cool--I concur about the blindfolded point, though on the machine gun in the lab I could tell a difference in my seat (lower infrasonics) on the True HD.

Thanks for the comps...

Can we get some waterfalls from that lab scene? Mrkazador, any one else??

anyone see "the day the earth stood still" yet ?

that should be a pretty good bass movie perhaps

I saw it last Friday at Imax. The sound was great with excellent bass. The movie overall, ehhhh.

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I saw it last Friday at Imax. The sound was great with excellent bass. The movie overall, ehhhh.

cool, thanks :)

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You da man! That scene sound killer with the Ultras.:D

I love that scene. Talk about pressurization with punch. I have to measure to see what I am hitting.
Looking at that graph, for the best experience your mains need to match your subs for output

thanks mrkazador.:)

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What I think makes this scene so great for properly tuned systems is that there is really three mains parts to the bass and each shot.

1. You have 120-130hz energy coming from your mains

2. You have 45-55hz punches coming from your sub WHILE...

3. You have subsonic energy from about 18hz-40hz to go along with it


That trio of bass is really something in that scene, and you better have some good mains, and a sub that can handle all that range and handle it quickly and deeply!

:D

What I think makes this scene so great for properly tuned systems is that there is really three mains parts to the bass and each shot.

1. You have 120-130hz energy coming from your mains

2. You have 45-55hz punches coming from your sub WHILE...

3. You have subsonic energy from about 18hz-40hz to go along with it


That trio of bass is really something in that scene, and you better have some good mains, and a sub that can handle all that range and handle it quickly and deeply!

:D

Honestly, my little Polks handle it very well. The Ultras do it to it...:D

^What is that scene from? I can't find mention of the title. :confused:
TIA:)

^What is that scene from? I can't find mention of the title. :confused:
TIA:)

Dark Knight, machine gun testing. It's around 56 min into the movie.

Dark Knight, machine gun testing. It's around 56 min into the movie.

:cool:thanks.
I havn't been able to watch TDK yet, but maybe I'll trow it in tonight and chack that scene out.

that scene rocks lol! deff played it a couple of times seeing how far i could push it...makes ur hair stand up! that and the underground chase both kick some serious butt!

thanks for the waterfalls!!

Yeah, great waterfalls! Thanks much MrKazador.

My Dali Mentor 8's (dual 8" woofers & 6.5" mids) really crank that scene crossed at 50hz, while the SVS PB13U shudders and shakes the bottom-end so impressively.

Great hobby, eh?!

Just a question...

If Dolby reference level is 105dB for l/c/r/surround channels, and 115dB for LFE, shouldn't those gunshots in the graph be in the 95-100dB range if played through a system at reference level (if dark red is around -20 dBFS)?

JSS

Just a question...

If Dolby reference level is 105dB for l/c/r/surround channels, and 115dB for LFE, shouldn't those gunshots in the graph be in the 95-100dB range if played through a system at reference level (if dark red is around -20 dBFS)?

JSS

Something I've been wondering myself. Here is how I take those graphs...

Extract DTS/AC3 from movie.
Create a graph with graphedit; DTS-> AC3Filter(Redirected bass)-> Wavdest-> FileWriter-> Output.wav
Load the wav in SoundForge and cut the LFE track.
Paste the LFE track into the left channel of a new 2 channel track.
Set my soundcard's recording device to Stereo Mixer.
Playback the LFE track and plot waterfall.

Doing it this way is better because my soundcard's line-in is not flat, it rolls off below 20hz according to REW. Stereo Mixer is PERFECTLY flat. A lengthy process but I think is the most accurate.

Just a question...

If Dolby reference level is 105dB for l/c/r/surround channels, and 115dB for LFE, shouldn't those gunshots in the graph be in the 95-100dB range if played through a system at reference level (if dark red is around -20 dBFS)?

JSS

The dBSPL of 105dB peaks for the sats and 115dB for the LFE are the measure of total sound pressure level, which is additive.

At any given instant on the posted waterfalls, all the sound must be added to equal the peak reading in dBSPL.

Since LFE are combinations of real recorded events mixed with synthed sounds in complex combinations and are a 4,5 or more octave spread of frequencies, in order to have a total of all of the frequencies add up to 115dB at 0dBFS playback, no one frequency can be encoded at 0dBFS.

Some soundtracks have effects that are encoded above 0dBFS and therefore will exceed 115dB when playing them at reference level, which is why they're referred to as being 'hot' soundtracks, but it's relatively rare.

LFE displays on the waterfall graphs as primary or fundamental frequencies showing up as larger spots encoded at -10 to -15dBFS. The rest of the frequencies of the effect are encoded lower so that they all add up to 0dBFS when played back when everything is mixed properly and encoded on the disc, and your system is flat and calibrated.

Bosso

"The dBSPL of 105dB peaks for the sats and 115dB for the LFE are the measure of total sound pressure level, which is additive."

I was under the impression that the 105dB number meant that each l/c/r/surround channel should be able to deliver 105dB SPL peaks at the listening position, and not a sum of all the channels. Each channel is calibrated by pink noise set at -20.0 dBFS, giving an SPL/RTA reading of 85dB in the middle of a theater, and that the LFE track with band-limited pink noise at -20.0 dBFS should give an SPL/RTA level of 95dB in the middle of the theater, but I may be wrong...

"At any given instant on the posted waterfalls, all the sound must be added to equal the peak reading in dBSPL."

How can we do this addition by looking at the waterfalls to come up with a peak SPL level? Is there a function in Speclab to do so?

Which brings up another question. If speaker-level calibrations are done with a -20.0 dBFS pink noise signal that should read 85dB SPL, does this mean that the individual frequencies in the pink noise spectrum are actually at less than -20.0 dBFS, but that the sum of all the frequencies in the pink noise will equal -20.0 dBFS? I'm confused...

JSS

"The dBSPL of 105dB peaks for the sats and 115dB for the LFE are the measure of total sound pressure level, which is additive."

I was under the impression that the 105dB number meant that each l/c/r/surround channel should be able to deliver 105dB SPL peaks at the listening position, and not a sum of all the channels.

JSS

This is correct. The LFE peak is 115 dB.

Bosso was not talking about your speakers, or their level at all though. He's refering to the actual sound mix encoded in the tracks. The sum total of all of the energy in the track at any given time is equal or less than the potential 0dbfs (roughly 115db sw output w calibration) in the LFE track. So that just because there is a large red blob on one of the waterfalls indicated a -20db level does not mean that you should be getting 95db when calibrated and listening at REF level. All of the rest of the energy in the track also adds to the signal strength there, so you really can't look at things like that.

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I don't know what you call it, that "spikey" ball rolling on the ground. Click thumbnail for larger image.
http://thumbnails12.imagebam.com/2089/ab3c3820886123.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/ab3c3820886123)u definately aren't from the south!:p Those fall like acorns!

YEP! It has some good bass in there!

Yeah. I really enjoyed this one! It has some pretty good LFE throughout.:confused:most posts on Wall*E have stated the opposite..:confused:

overall a good summer for LFE/bass movies!!:D:cool::D

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Traitor had some suprisingly good bass moments! there were some nice explosions, but it really was how they used bass throughout the music and different scenes that was awesome! reminded me a lot of how hitman uses the bass. good movie too!

+1 on Traitor. Even the opening music pounded mid-bass well.

There's wasn't anything mind-blowing, but it was decent. Reminded me of Bourne Supremacy--nice mid-bass and a few decent explosions.

Anxious to try out Hellboy II considering previous posts...

Watching HHW on blue ray! Two thumbs up for the opening LFE!!!:)

HHW has lots of LFE. More than I thought. Very good movie.

I like the overall variety of bass in HHW also. The end where the Who's were making a clamor with all of the horns and drums was cool with nice bass.

I noitced Dr. Pain has not posted since the 7th...Has he abandoned us?:(

Picked up a copy of Batman Begins (blu-ray limited edition giftset). Has some pretty cool poster/pics. The PQ/SQ is better than SD DVD, but The Dark Knight wins the SQ/PQ contest. Nice addition to my collection though..

I noitced Dr. Pain has not posted since the 7th...Has he abandoned us?:(

I was wondering this too, it would be a shame after all the work he put into this thread. :(

Doctor doctor give me the news! We gotta bad case of missing...you!


sorry couldn't help it!

Sorry folks, but I have been really busy at work, plus with the holidays and also trying to get myself out of debt. I am here and read a post now and then. I know I've got 10 plus pages of posts to weed through. Maybe someone would be kind enough to help out with it.

I will never give up all the hard work that has gone into this thread and wouldnt want to let down all the gung ho fans who have helped and followed.

Thanks to All for understanding.

that's the spirit! Many of us have had financial tight spots (myself included)..You'll get through it! Take your time on the discussion..no rush.

Sorry folks, but I have been really busy at work, plus with the holidays and also trying to get myself out of debt. I am here and read a post now and then. I know I've got 10 plus pages of posts to weed through. Maybe someone would be kind enough to help out with it.

I will never give up all the hard work that has gone into this thread and wouldnt want to let down all the gung ho fans who have helped and followed.

Thanks to All for understanding.

Glad to hear you are still around and safe. My wife and I were over $40,000 in debt 2.5 years ago and now are debt free. Believe me you can get out :D

Hi Dr Pain!

Glad you are okay!!!! We voted, and we think Dark Knight should be the bass movie of the next three months...:D

Glad to hear you are still around DrPain. Take your time with the debt and don't do anything rash to try and get out of it.

By the way, I have Hellboy II coming tomorrow :D

Nice to see that doc is still here. Are you now ready to see sh*t load of waterfalls?:D

Dr. good to see you back. Clearly we are a tight knit community here and we would worry if a good member wasn't around! Happy New Year to you, and everyone else that makes this thread and this board what it is!

Here are the ones I posted:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15129033&postcount=2264
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15129116&postcount=2265
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15132070&postcount=2268
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15134527&postcount=2270
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15142348&postcount=2286
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15149552&postcount=2297
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15153169&postcount=2304
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15165364&postcount=2309
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15215128&postcount=2317
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15295262&postcount=2413
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15307154&postcount=2423
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15310778&postcount=2426
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15314419&postcount=2428
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15320244&postcount=2437
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15352327&postcount=2457

looks like Mrk wants his own sub category...hehe!

Here are the ones I posted:


If you have the time to post it I would really like to see the WALL-E waterfall for the Axiom returning to earth. This scene really pressurized the room. Certainly not very deep but good power.

Thanks

the only one that I noticed being posted wasn't of the Axiom's return...

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7474/75964007hd1.jpg

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If you have the time to post it I would really like to see the WALL-E waterfall for the Axiom returning to earth. This scene really pressurized the room. Certainly not very deep but good power.

Thanks

Looks to have good extension down to the 20hz-30hz area.

Looks like the mains are carrying a heavy 100hz load too!

Some one should chart Eagle Eye. Loads of bass. ;)


Ian

Some one should chart Eagle Eye. Loads of bass. ;)


Ian

There were some good spots in Eagle Eye, particularly the one explosion (can't recall the exact circumstances). However, it didn't rise to the level of reference by any means.

The mid-bass was pretty good when cars revved, choppers went by, or the Reaper drone flew around. That and some music elements were decent.

But, I have to agree with Ralph Potts that this is a mid-80's audio experience.

What'd you all think?

The scene at the end with the computer was pretty good. I'd like to look at some waterfalls on this film and see what comes up.

Ian

I am not recommending bass movies anymore. Since I changed to my new sub system every movie has alot of bass. I get alot of shaking and punch all the time then it is gone. Transformers takes on a whole new life as well as others. I think it is time to pull out some old favorites, Oh, Eagle Eye included.

I am not recommending bass movies anymore. Since I changed to my new sub system every movie has alot of bass. I get alot of shaking and punch all the time then it is gone.





Well, that means that "shaking and punch" has little to do with ULF frequencies. Most movies have little to no frequencies in ULF range anyhow.

What volume level do you use (as compared with calibrated RL) on a typical movie to get this effect?

If you want to have some fun, try comparing the waterfall of a bass heavy scene via a mike used in room with the original waterfall of the DVD's electronic signal.

There were some good spots in Eagle Eye, particularly the one explosion (can't recall the exact circumstances). However, it didn't rise to the level of reference by any means.

The mid-bass was pretty good when cars revved, choppers went by, or the Reaper drone flew around. That and some music elements were decent.

But, I have to agree with Ralph Potts that this is a mid-80's audio experience.

What'd you all think?

I agree as well...

I am not recommending bass movies anymore. Since I changed to my new sub system every movie has alot of bass.

I can't imagine why by the looks of your setup...Very nice front stage!

X-files (2008)

http://hdimage.org/~hdimageo/images/udf5je7x0uhquf6u77x_xfiles.jpg

X-files (2008)

http://hdimage.org/~hdimageo/images/udf5je7x0uhquf6u77x_xfiles.jpg

WHOA !! :cool:


Tim

It was the only notable bass in the movie (around 1:10:30). My ceiling and projector shook/rattled a bit.

Then I said, "I guess the sub is on".

With the waterfall charts is everything above 100hz from the mains? or are these chartz just for LFE?
cause if it is then this proves there's plenty of content above 80hz.

most here are crossed over to LFE @ 80 Hz. Some, like mine, are straight from disc w/o and crossover redirected LFE/bass.

I am surprised nobody has done a waterfall of speed 2: Cruise control, mediocre movie but great bass.

X-files (2008)

http://hdimage.org/~hdimageo/images/udf5je7x0uhquf6u77x_xfiles.jpg

I had to think and divide the difference of 5 minutes.
Is that signal is that the LFE.1.

whats the best way to measure the frequency my sub is putting out. I have a klipsch rw-12D. I have a radio shack sound meter too.

whats the best way to measure the frequency my sub is putting out. I have a klipsch rw-12D. I have a radio shack sound meter too.

There's an audio test DVD somewhere on AVS forum, maybe do a search and you'll find it pretty easily. That has some sweeps and steady tones to throw at your sub.

X-files (2008)

http://hdimage.org/~hdimageo/images/udf5je7x0uhquf6u77x_xfiles.jpg


wow, which scene is that ?

:eek:

I posted the time. Anymore info would be a minor spoiler.

wow, which scene is that ?

:eek:

Chapter, 15 near the end of chapter 15 where the FBI agent is pushed down the elevator shaft, thou that doesn’t look like the LFE.1 to me the signature is wrong as it leaves a different trace. The pink from 60 Hz to 10 is the left and right strong with mild centre channel.

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Scrat: Gone Nutty
Don't have any time stamps.

Scrat trying to fit the last acorn...wrong move buddy :cool:
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Scrat flying through the air and hits the snow. An acorn is falling right towards him.
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Chapter, 15 near the end of chapter 15 where the FBI agent is pushed down the elevator shaft, thou that doesn’t look like the LFE.1 to me the signature is wrong as it leaves a different trace. The pink from 60 Hz to 10 is the left and right strong with mild centre channel.

I thought i had this all figured out, i thought these charts were just for the LFE? how can you tell whats coming from the left and right channel?

And on these chartz i see frequencies going well above 150hz, is that still coming from the sub?