I thought i had this all figured out, i thought these charts were just for the LFE? how can you tell whats coming from the left and right channel?

And on these chartz i see frequencies going well above 150hz, is that still coming from the sub?

How could I tell I tried the same thing and looked at the patten of the waterfall and the signature was totally wrong.

That is why I’ve been doing individual waterfalls for months on end now. The approach to doing independent waterfalls is quite basic and quite simple.

Take a simple audio mixer 6 channel or more there are plenty of them around. Take a few Y leads if RCA phone is in use to running the system and connect the leads up with RCA phone leads going to the audio mixers line inputs, thou I use different way.

Run the leads into the line inputs 1 left 2 centre 3 right 4 left surround 5 right surround and 6 LFE.1.

Now set the levels up and this will take you maybe a few hours or less to trim the mixers level with a spot frequency
sine wave tone, if you have calibration disc with sine wave use the low frequency tone to set the levels.

I use the dts music and set-up disc 100Hz I set the levels on the mixer so that the VU is at optimum disc is -16db down. Once done I run a few frequency sweeps from the lowest which is 10Hz on the dts disc and I can also play some spot frequency tones on the TrueRTA at 5Hz going upwards all looks fine this end.

Or if you have simple long enough RAC phone lead with phone jack to fit the pc sound input connect it to LFE.1 output on the AVR simple, its not rocket science.

This is what I did a few nights ago. The image degrades down when (print screening) hmm, can’t put my finger on it? You can see the 60Hz to 10Hz the way the signal bends upwards slightly on LCR.

I think this thread needs a complete turn-around because I’d say that 99% are not LFE.1 track. Individual frequency waterfall is the way to do it.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk279/SpectrumsubbassLFE13417/TheX-FilesIWantToBelievechapter15ne.jpg

Ice age (2002) scrat and volcano LCRS LFE.1

Chapter 19, from 71 minutes 58 seconds to 72 minutes 22 seconds
Dolby digital

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk279/SpectrumsubbassLFE13417/IceagescratvolcanoLCR.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk279/SpectrumsubbassLFE13417/IceagescratvolcanoSLFE1.jpg

Can someone plot a waterfall graph for the remake of The Planet Of The Apes....The bit i would like to see is at the beginning of the movie when Wahlberg's spacecraft crash lands in the swamp....

I thought i had this all figured out, i thought these charts were just for the LFE? how can you tell whats coming from the left and right channel?

And on these chartz i see frequencies going well above 150hz, is that still coming from the sub?

Most waterfalls here are from the Sub with redirected bass. Even if you set your crossover to 80hz there will still be some audio information above 80hz because its not just a stop, its a slope. Makes blending of the fronts and sub easier.
It would be much easier if people posted how their waterfall was plotted. An example would be: Receiver-Sub-out-Redirected Bass-x-over 80hz

I’d say that 99% are not LFE.1 track. Individual frequency waterfall is the way to do it.
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk279/SpectrumsubbassLFE13417/TheX-FilesIWantToBelievechapter15ne.jpgThat's nice JBL:rolleyes:

so should we erase `em all and start over????:rolleyes:


give me a break!:mad:

Hijack 2: the sequel..:p:mad:

That's nice JBL:rolleyes:

so should we erase `em all and start over????:rolleyes:


give me a break!:mad:

Hijack 2: the sequel..:p:mad:

No, don’t be silly. I think most of you should just re-plug your leads on your end and do fresh waterfalls of independence value. Isn’t that what your country stands for independence or independent frequency waterfalls?

If it sounds like too much of workload for you, I’ll continue with my own, independent frequency waterfalls?

Can someone plot a waterfall graph for the remake of The Planet Of The Apes....The bit i would like to see is at the beginning of the movie when Wahlberg's spacecraft crash lands in the swamp....

Foxy

I’m almost certain enough I did that sequence in long form last year, pretty sure or it I’m checking though a another thread but I’m afraid it amounts to a needle in haystack, I’ll keep looking.

By the way Happy New Year to you.

Well I’ve even cheeked the (LFE.1 frequency files folder) and it looks like I might have scraped it but I sure damn remember doing it while repeating each sequence over and over while testing LCRS and LFE.1.

Tell you what I’ll do it again. [Sigh] this is going to take 90 minutes of my time.

Babylon AD could be a winner. There is a scene were a sub comes from under ice and it is awesome.

(Planet of the Apes 2001)
Dolby digital
Region 2 DVD
Chapter 4 from 10 minutes 29 seconds to 14 minutes 21 seconds

LFE.1 track doesn’t cut-in until a few minutes into the sequence at around 11 minutes 53 seconds and then comes in and out at different intervals during the crash sequence on the planet of apes.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk279/SpectrumsubbassLFE13417/PlanetoftheApesneversendamoneytodoa.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk279/SpectrumsubbassLFE13417/PlanetoftheApesneversendamoneyto-1.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk279/SpectrumsubbassLFE13417/PlanetoftheApesneversendamoneyto-2.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk279/SpectrumsubbassLFE13417/PlanetoftheApesneversendamoneyto-3.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk279/SpectrumsubbassLFE13417/PlanetoftheApesneversendamoneyto-4.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk279/SpectrumsubbassLFE13417/PlanetoftheApesneversendamoneyto-5.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk279/SpectrumsubbassLFE13417/PlanetoftheApesneversendamoneyto-6.jpg

Foxy

I’m almost certain enough I did that sequence in long form last year, pretty sure or it I’m checking though a another thread but I’m afraid it amounts to a needle in haystack, I’ll keep looking.

By the way Happy New Year to you.

Thanks as i'm re-calibrating my subwoofer again with AVIA and my SMS-1 due to moving it to a new position in the room and i wanted to use that sequence after i calibrated to see if i want to run it hot at a few of the frequencies rather than plain flat ( i think they call it a house curve )

Happy New Year to you also.

Just finished Bangkok Dangerous. All i can say is this is a LFE feast!! Just an all around treat! Ridiculous mid-bass, n plenty of subsonic goodness!

This is a must for anything looking for a sub workout!

Babylon A.D. Had some Pulse like bass that induced some port noise. I'd like to see this film charted, particularly the submarine rising out of the ice scene.

Ian

Babylon AD could be a winner. There is a scene were a sub comes from under ice and it is awesome.

yup!! :cool:

There is nothing wrong with summing the 6 channels. Most people run their speakers "small" and that is what bass management does anyway.

Even if you run large or cross lower at 40hz, your speakers still deliver the sound to your chair together. Just another way of summing.

If you care how the channels have been mixed, then analyze them separately. For the purposes of seeing what movies are "bassy", seeing the individual channels is not very relevant.

not `too much' work but going THAT extensive with the falls in this thread, when ALL of the previously posted `falls (aside from yours) are SFD bass charts or redicrected LFE charts, isn't what this discussion is intended to be,MHO....

falls are fine but turning this ONCE again into a massive `ten minutes to load and scroll one page' pic thread,etc is missing the point. It's about the LFE/bass falls.Few,if ANY, here have 5 to seven subs to handle individual channel bass/LFE.

LFE/redirected bass Falls are appreciated by all I'm sure. :)

whats the best way to measure the frequency my sub is putting out. I have a klipsch rw-12D. I have a radio shack sound meter too.

There's an audio test DVD somewhere on AVS forum, maybe do a search and you'll find it pretty easily. That has some sweeps and steady tones to throw at your sub.



Here it is. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=742969) Enjoy.

hhmmm, :confused:

Ticker
Speed
Speed 2 Cruise control
Titanic
Mercenary for Justice
Predator
predator 2
Crimson Tide
Blown away (title sums it up)

Subzero (2005) its only a 2.0 mix but it sure is agressive

Chain reaction
Crash landing (the plane crash scenes)
Skeleton man
the fugitive
U.S. Marshalls
The deatonator
The Marksman
Unstoppable
Active stealth
Patriot games
clear and present danger
Solar attack
Descent (2005) TV
Extreme limits
Venomous
ultraviolet
equilibrium
Constantine
Behind Enemy lines
Behind Enemy lines 2.
Electra
The Punisher
DEBS
the deal
Spartan
Alien hunter
the alien films
Anything produced by Jerry bruckhiemer
anything by tony scott and michael bay
Gladiator
Derailed (2002)

I guess I'm the only one. I'll throw a vote in for the fugitive. The train wreck scene is pretty nice.

There is nothing wrong with summing the 6 channels. Most people run their speakers "small" and that is what bass management does anyway.

Even if you run large or cross lower at 40hz, your speakers still deliver the sound to your chair together. Just another way of summing.

If you care how the channels have been mixed, then analyze them separately. For the purposes of seeing what movies are "bassy", seeing the individual channels is not very relevant.


I agree. Sum everything. With a 80hz crossover that what MOST of us are doing anyways as you said.

I third that...

I think Jbl is using an 80 hz crossover as well. He is showing how much bass goes into each channel as compared to just the LFE channel. I think it is cool but most of us have our subs doing all the channels anyway. My speakers can go to 40 hz but I still crossover at 80 hz, I guess it is habit.

I have a PC13-Ultra, this weekend I watched Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World, and the bass was so lacking, the cannon fire was OK... nothing spectacular, the rest of the movie was so tame, why is that movie a 5 star...?

Conversely I watched Flight of the Phoenix and that was bad ass, not just the crash scene but the entire movie had nice solid subtle bass.

I have a PC13-Ultra, this weekend I watched Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World, and the bass was so lacking, the cannon fire was OK... nothing spectacular, the rest of the movie was so tame, why is that movie a 5 star...?

Conversely I watched Flight of the Phoenix and that was bad ass, not just the crash scene but the entire movie had nice solid subtle bass.

What everyone here is figuring out over time is that different subs react in different ways. For me the cannon fire scenes in Master and Commander were some of the absolute best bass scenes I have ever heard. On the flip side of the coin the only thing in Flight of the Phoenix that really impressed me was the sandstorm and one time when the plane flew overhead in the beginning.

-Chad

I have a PC13-Ultra, this weekend I watched Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World, and the bass was so lacking, the cannon fire was OK... nothing spectacular, the rest of the movie was so tame, why is that movie a 5 star...?

Conversely I watched Flight of the Phoenix and that was bad ass, not just the crash scene but the entire movie had nice solid subtle bass.

M&C only really has bass in the battle scenes and during the storm. The bass from the cannons and overall sound field on the DTS track during those scenes is some of my favorite material on any disc. Try it at about -5db from reference. Those cannons will send ripples through the floor.:) Merits a 5 star rating from me.

I usually do -15, it's a comfortable level for us, I mean there was bass, I was just expecting Cloverfield shaking house type of bass :D

M&C only really has bass in the battle scenes and during the storm. The bass from the cannons and overall sound field on the DTS track during those scenes is some of my favorite material on any disc. Try it at about -5db from reference. Those cannons will send ripples through the floor.:) Merits a 5 star rating from me.

My thoughts exactly. M&C's cannon battles were also some of my favorites that I have heard anywhere at any time.

I am getting some odd mixed results with movies.

I have listened to Ironman on BluRay and gotten the bass I hear about. I listened to it recently and the bass was not really there. I have done a Audyssey setup since then which may have changed soemthing. REW measurements say that Audyssey (as I have it set now) does not do a lot to the bass. I bought U-571 on DVD and listened to the depth charge scene and it was lack luster.

If I listen to WOW or Master and commander I get 114 db peaks. Does anyone have any insight?

According to REW my subs go low and loud (10Hz).

I had low bass results with Audyessey. The midbass was nice. What subs? HSU-ULS-15? how many? My goal was always to be able to reach reference levels(115 db's, 121 db's with everything summed) no matter what frequency.

I had low bass results with Audyessey. The midbass was nice. What subs? HSU-ULS-15? how many? My goal was always to be able to reach reference levels(115 db's, 121 db's with everything summed) no matter what frequency.

Yes 2 HSU-ULS-15's

Dr. Pain, Is there any chance you could update the movie of the month?:)

Anyone charted anything from Traitor?

the embassy bombing or the bus

...

Traitor 2008 DVDRip Xvid AC3
AC3Filter: Redirected Bass 120hz

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00:01:52
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00:26:23
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00:42:53
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00:48:38
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01:20:30
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01:43:50
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Anyone have Band of Brothers waterfalls? I can probably do them myself, but if someone already has them it would be appreciated.

I am getting some odd mixed results with movies.

I have listened to Ironman on BluRay and gotten the bass I hear about. I listened to it recently and the bass was not really there. I have done a Audyssey setup since then which may have changed soemthing. REW measurements say that Audyssey (as I have it set now) does not do a lot to the bass. I bought U-571 on DVD and listened to the depth charge scene and it was lack luster.

If I listen to WOW or Master and commander I get 114 db peaks. Does anyone have any insight?

According to REW my subs go low and loud (10Hz).

I believe those movies were reference before but now with movies coming out like Cloverfield, Hulk, The Dark Knight, Iron Man and many more to say the least. It pretty much dwarfs in comparison with the bass in some of these movies.

I believe those movies were reference before but now with movies coming out like Cloverfield, Hulk, The Dark Knight, Iron Man and many more to say the least. It pretty much dwarfs in comparison with the bass in some of these movies.

Cloverfield was a horrible movie.
The Hulk, Dark Knight were OK, my system did a great job on the bass in those movies.

I like Master and Commander because the scene is much more then just bass. The surround was also amazing in the canon battle scenes.

Cloverfield was a horrible movie.

very horrible movie!

very horrible movie!

Yeah, I absolutely agree there! :D

anyone have some thoughts on Max Payne?? I hear its absolutely ridiculous!

anyone have some thoughts on Max Payne?? I hear its absolutely ridiculous!

Rediculous as in???... a rediculous amount of bass/lfe??

Saw this review on Max. Check the comments in the audio section.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/media-reviews/16110-max-payne-blu-ray-review.html#post142979

:confused:

I like the way this one turns and bends interesting.

http://hdimage.org/images/zmm7a60mirr9lxxdchr4_012030.jpg

The movie has a lot of LFEs, but the movie is garbage in general.

Rediculous as in???... a rediculous amount of bass/lfe??

The movie has a lot of LFEs, but the movie is garbage in general.

So basically speaking is Max Payne a load of bollocks if that is the case I’ll wait until the price is down to about less Pulse at £7.00 pounds what a waste of money that was for a film that has bass! All Dolby stereo films rely on BASS since the early days especially the 70mm six-track magnetic types.

I’d sooner run a frequency sweep rather than placing my present worries on a film that has bass big deal I’ve been to the Empire Leicester Square more times over the years and had my fair share of original 13KW JBL THX in my face. Followed by mega 56KW JBL custom THX and that is leap over the last one thou I’d have to see the same film type at the Empire again to positively agree thou I don’t feel that is necessary, since it’s the same guys who did the original late 1980’s installation, and they know what there doing its not amateur home cinema theatre in basement, its professional JBL, now then!;)

This is still a thread about bass correct? Last time I checked movies are judged in this thread for bass not for the full audio experience. This is why a movie like Master and commander Is dwarfed nowadays by the bass newer flicks.

I still think master and commander holds up. The dark knight had deep bass in car scenes where it was overdone for what was happening on the screen. M&c had bass that brought you into the experience. The same with wow, the bass was used well to make the story feel real. 10,000 monster stomps in cloverfield did nothing for the story. You might as well play signwaves. It could be argued the hulk was overdone also. As far as demo scenes mc and wow are high on my list.

anyone have some thoughts on Max Payne?? I hear its absolutely ridiculous!

it is...pistols shots sound like anti-tank rounds :eek:

angels and the blue serum...

I still think master and commander holds up. The dark knight had deep bass in car scenes where it was overdone for what was happening on the screen. M&c had bass that brought you into the experience. The same with wow, the bass was used well to make the story feel real. 10,000 monster stomps in cloverfield did nothing for the story. You might as well play signwaves. It could be argued the hulk was overdone also. As far as demo scenes mc and wow are high on my list.

it is...pistols shots sound like anti-tank rounds :eek:

+1.

MC is very well done (though the BD is a little dryer than the SD on bass I've found). It really does have a sense of realism which is so satisfying.

Live Free or Die Hard is another example of unrealistic bass--it is fun, but not very believable.

I think the best LFE movie I've seen lately is KFP--from the slight, subtle stuff, to the "bounce" mid-bass sweeps, to the sub-20hz infrasonics--that movie works my Ultra into a lather.

It is fun to compare notes...

+1 on KFP! excellent soundtrack/LFE and animation

ratatouille is great too - the roof top lightning strike and the shot gun fired in the house, caused me to jump when i overcranked the volume control a little :D

I don't know guys but I loved the Dark Night. I have yet played KFP loud. I always watch it with the kids.

I don't know guys but I loved the Dark Night. I have yet played KFP loud. I always watch it with the kids.

I bet you watch The Dark Knight with some (KFP) Kentucky Fried Panda, bucket each. yummy finger licking Panda.:D

I bet you watch The Dark Knight with some (KFP) Kentucky Fried Panda, bucket each. yummy finger licking Panda.:D

Boy! KFP really gets you going there eh JBL?:D

I finally got to watch Live Free or Die Hard in blu ray last night along with Deathrace.
Live Free is in my top 3 along with Dark Knight & Hitman. Those 3 rock from start to finish and they are terrific movies..Death Race sounded decent and was just O.K...

Boy! KFP really gets you going there eh JBL?:D

Well I don’t recall eating any (KFC) last year, nope not one single bite, its rubbish food.

Nope I still haven’t brought this film. I picked it up last Wednesday looked at the back cover again for the 4 or 5 time and placed it back on the shelf. I’m wondering if I should buy it for the sakes of LFE.1 level output. Or maybe a simple frequency sweep on A and B repeat form 15Hz to 40Hz played back at the highest possible level.

Of course I’d never do anything like that, as it is careless. So I’ll just keep reading the KFP thread and laughing my ass off. Some need to turn level down if it starts making popping sounds. It’s never happened once in the 11 years getting onto 12 years on the JBL sub.

Wonder how far the level will go on the input mode of the BFQ2496 average I’d see on a select few might rise to -18db haven’t seen it anyway near -3db yet.

If my friend has (KFP) I’d be surprised if his Yamaha YST SW-150 is still intact. That sub crackles and pops.

And besides I always run a rehearsal at low volume with new titles. Then turn it afterwards.

+1 on KFP! excellent soundtrack/LFE and animation

ratatouille is great too - the roof top lightning strike and the shot gun fired in the house, caused me to jump when i overcranked the volume control a little :D

SOunds like the volume was just about right. Believe me, if you hear a gunshot go off in your room, you're going to "jump". That's waht you call real sound. :D

SOunds like the volume was just about right. Believe me, if you hear a gunshot go off in your room, you're going to "jump". That's waht you call real sound. :D

I know what Real gunshots sound like pal. I’ve been shot at 4 times while me and my old man chased four post office robbers 23 years ago.

It’s a shape spike sound like sound that doesn’t have low end recoil thundering at stupid cinematic levels.


It was an early January, February 1986 as it was cold.

Yeah so when you decide to ask your old man, follow that post office van, next-time, think?

What can I say about speeding down roads with a max limit that says 30MPH at 60 to 80MPH!

While cashing a Giro, at the Charminster Road Post Office. When all-of-sudden I, hear this old lady starts yelling! Outside the post office. We’re being robbed we’re being robbed? Most of the customers looked forwards thinking she’s crazy?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=131144&stc=1&d=1232887831

Not bothering to cash my Giro I walked outside where I noticed red post office van being boxed in by Bournemouth Yellow bus. The bus driver was confronted with shotgun to move the bus out of the way.

I ran towards my dads’ car and told him the post office van is being held up.

As the post office van pulled out into the traffic and drove a few yards down the road where it turned off right down Nortoft Road where the crocks stopped half-way and started to unload the £70,000 grand.

We past by them and pursed at the end of the road junction at Bennett Road, what was going though my dads’ head to follow them I’d never know. We allowed pull right up-besides us while they turned right heading towards Lowther Road junction, where they stopped my dad started to speed up! Engine getting louder the car rear getting near by the split-second! The rear of the car was RAMMED!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=131145&stc=1&d=1232887831

The two crocks in the back jumped so high their heads where sticking though the roof of the car!

The driver didn’t hesitate and stepped down on the accelerator while the one crocks on the left-hand-side rear pointed a revolver pistol out of the window Gunshots 4 in all was fired. That was scary part of the pursuit if, one should have hit the window-shield and shattered. The car was jolting from side-side while holding down on the road as we took mild bends and turns along Ascham Raod and into Portchester Road.

We lost the buggers at the junction of Lansdowne Road, as they made it across the busy road first and we had to wait some 10-or-so-seconds and in that time speeding away, they could have took any of the several roads that spitted off down Beechey Road where they took Cavendish Road its kind of loop road with a few turning offs. The ditched the Ford at Dean Park Road and most likely went under the underpass of the Wessex Way dual carriage or jumped over the fence and walked along the side of the Wessex Way.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=131146&stc=1&d=1232887831

Their car was a red Ford Sierra, while we where driving Ford Cortina mk IV not a bad high speed pursuit and there isn’t single film yet too this day that comes close with the feel or motion in sound, well maybe Heat 1995 GO! GO! LOL

We leaned after the police interviewed my dad that they ditched the car not too far from where we lost sight of them. Press was all over like fleas it was only news for a few days. £70K and they left £20 or so grand back in the post van. LOL

Stop trashing this thread!

I was going to post some Hulk waterfalls, but there was little to be seen below 20 Hz. Most bass is loud volume in the 20 to 60 Hz area.

Stop trashing this thread!

I was going to post some Hulk waterfalls, but there was little to be seen below 20 Hz. Most bass is loud volume in the 20 to 60 Hz area.

from now on waterfalls should only display from 0-20hz :p

from now on waterfalls should only display from 0-20hz :p

No let’s have 20Hz to 120z that’s where most of the common soundtracks are.:p

from now on waterfalls should only display from 0-20hz :p

lol - the thread name to be changed to subwoofer killing soundtracks with waterfall :eek:

:D

Hello Everyone,

I was reading another waterfall thread on another forum and a few guys mentioned that some of the tracks, like the one from Telarc CD bottomed out their sub and destroyed their driver. Not sure how loud they had their amp set, but is it easy to kill your driver in some of the <20hz sequences? In other words how would you kill your driver if the driver is designed to go down to 20hz?

Thanks

Hello Everyone,

I was reading another waterfall thread on another forum and a few guys mentioned that some of the tracks, like the one from Telarc CD bottomed out their sub and destroyed their driver. Not sure how loud they had their amp set, but is it easy to kill your driver in some of the <20hz sequences? In other words how would you kill your driver if the driver is designed to go down to 20hz?

Thanks

Could be a matter of a few things. Pushing the subwoofer too hard, pushing a "clipped" signal which means that if the original source was recorded clipped then it was recorded at the hard limits and not properly equalized in the mastering process, or maybe your subwoofer simply isn't capable in certain regions and gives out on those low frequencies :D

Hard to pinpoint this sort of thing though.

Hello Everyone,

I was reading another waterfall thread on another forum and a few guys mentioned that some of the tracks, like the one from Telarc CD bottomed out their sub and destroyed their driver. Not sure how loud they had their amp set, but is it easy to kill your driver in some of the <20hz sequences? In other words how would you kill your driver if the driver is designed to go down to 20hz?

Thanks

Telarc 1812 Overture?
When you first play it, the music sounds really low so people turn up the volume. Then the canons start firing and good bye speakers lol.

I was going to post some Hulk waterfalls, but there was little to be seen below 20 Hz. Most bass is loud volume in the 20 to 60 Hz area.

Hmm? :confused:. There is some good <20hz stuff in that movie. It's not everywhere like WOTW or Cloverfield, but there's some good spots. The sonic guns, when Banner morphs into the Hulk on the bridge and you see his hand hit the window. I like the scene where he runs through the wall with the fork lift in the soda plant. I'd bet that there is significant low bass content on these scenes and many others.

i know this is old news but i was watching Spider-Man 3

wow, lot of butt kicking bass especially during the final fight with the giant sandman

i know this is old news but i was watching Spider-Man 3

wow, lot of butt kicking bass especially during the final fight with the giant sandman
:eek: I forgot about this movie. It came with my ps3. I love the sandman transformation scene.:D Seeing the face on my friends as the room pressurized and shook with the rotating thingy was priceless. They looked terrified. From what I remember there was a scene with a bell that seemed to have good bass. The giant sandman was good too. :D looks like I'm going to rewatch this one.
Whoever mentioned horton hears a who earlier thank you. People who are not used to low bass were terrified and confused from the first scene of that movie. They always get that wtf face and hold on for dear life.:D It even made me go wtf the first time I played the opening scene. I really didn't think it was gonna be so low and loud.:cool:
Does anyone know if the horton hears a who thx intro is on the blu ray. It is available on the thx website but I cant seem to find it on the blu ray :o
http://www.thx.com/cinema/trailers.html

Actually SM3 is pretty weak ....the transformation scene is pretty hot @ 35 Hz or so but the movie is a bass dud when compared to SM2!

Guys, what was the frequency during Transformers Iron Hide Flip? I used to hit 120-122 db's on that scene but now I pin my spl meter past 126 db's. I don't know where I max out. This is running the subs hot(currently the lowest I can run them until I switch amps with a gain control)

Guys, what was the frequency during Transformers Iron Hide Flip? I used to hit 120-122 db's on that scene but now I pin my spl meter past 126 db's. I don't know where I max out. This is running the subs hot(currently the lowest I can run them until I switch amps with a gain control)

According to this waterfall the loudest and deepest content appears to be in the 35-50hz region.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/TransformersIronhide.jpg

but now I pin my spl meter past 126 db's. I don't know where I max out.

isn't that blinking 126 annoying ?

i was running into that problem back in the mid 90s with only 3 subs

Guys, what was the frequency during Transformers Iron Hide Flip? I used to hit 120-122 db's on that scene but now I pin my spl meter past 126 db's. I don't know where I max out. This is running the subs hot(currently the lowest I can run them until I switch amps with a gain control)

In a professional certified custom JBL THX cinema like the famous Empire Leicester Square on the first day showing. up front and centre it was 120dbc with out a hint of rattling just a pure god damn DEEP pressure that I felt uniformly over me. Whew that’s why the Empire has real cinema rocker seats so the jolt will be absorbed with rocking JBL THX 56KW PUNCH OF SLAM!

20KW on those JBL 4645C x16 is wicked!:p:):cool:;):eek:

I must have done a dozen or so individual frequency waterfalls independent. I’d have to fish around and take a look at them. I might do some fresh ones.

According to this waterfall the loudest and deepest content appears to be in the 35-50hz region.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/TransformersIronhide.jpg

I’m sorry to say it mate and I know it often takes long hours sometimes. But what channel am I looking at? That is holy mess sorry to say.

I’ll fish around for my independent ones.

I’m going to do fresh one sometime in the morning as the settings are different on the Spectrumlap at the present time and that was done last late of last year. sigh

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=131370&stc=1&d=1233013423

Also, in Transformers, right as Blackout falls to the ground my rood shudders. If someone could do that entire part from when he gets shot to when he is on the ground, it would be great. I think the time stamp is for the start of it is in the main section.

I’m going to do fresh one sometime in the morning as the settings are different on the Spectrumlap at the present time and that was done last late of last year. sigh

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=131370&stc=1&d=1233013423

hey JBL, is that a mic reading or a reading directly from the LFE RCA output of your decoder ?

According to this waterfall the loudest and deepest content appears to be in the 35-50hz region.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/TransformersIronhide.jpg

Now that is the left and right only as the signature is all wrong I can see the left and right hot at 50Hz to 35Hz almost similar to the independent one of left and right only. Yours is combining LCRS or is that matrix left-total right-total from the left and right RCA phone outputs.

hey JBL, is that a mic reading or a reading directly from the LFE RCA output of your decoder ?

Don’t wish it was microphone version LOL. No that is patched into the audio mixer with summed left and right on line 1 centre on line 2 summed surround on line 3 and LFE.1 on line 6. So I can switch from different channels while the lead is patched into the pc.

I don’t like it I like the newer ones so I’ll attempt a newer fresher one in the morning after I’ve given my cat his medication, which is far more important than frequency waterfalls, and I bust my butt I don’t just spend a few minutes on it.

otk,
I have an analog meter so I just see the needle bouncing off the right boundary.

Thank you for the waterfalls. It is time to pull out Pulse and watch that meter(only time I ever pull that movie out).

BTW, I have never watched M&C with great audio and at reference levels. I watched it from a download and it was in 2 channel.

I’m sorry to say it mate and I know it often takes long hours sometimes. But what channel am I looking at? That is holy mess sorry to say.

I’ll fish around for my independent ones.:rolleyes:straight from the disc....sorry it's not the left anal rear quadrant's internal crossed over nether regional channel.

I’m sorry to say it mate and I know it often takes long hours sometimes. But what channel am I looking at? That is holy mess sorry to say.

I’ll fish around for my independent ones.:rolleyes:straight from the disc....sorry it's not the left anal rear quadrant's internal crossed over nether regional channel's subprime waterfall.

hey, this is a family friendly forum LOL

otk,
I have an analog meter so I just see the needle bouncing off the right boundary.

Thank you for the waterfalls. It is time to pull out Pulse and watch that meter(only time I ever pull that movie out).

BTW, I have never watched M&C with great audio and at reference levels. I watched it from a download and it was in 2 channel.

Bugger Pulse Mate I think its time you halted on buying more subs and buy a few parametric EQ download REW from Home Theatre Shack for free. Get Behringer DEQ2496 and FBQ2496 along with ECM8000 or a few of them a microphone mixer and take some readings to see how can improve it or tailor it, you get the idea.

Those cinema stage JBL should be producing wads of low end on your body and if not you need baffle wall yes to prevent some of the low end going behind them and jumbling up the waves into a holy mess.

I need to get mine fixed soon because the waves are just ending up in different parts over the front, [banging head on the wall].

hey, this is a family friendly forum LOL

Well he and me don’t get along :D so he can keep taking it from the disc till his bluray in the face get it, blue in the face, bluray in the face:D LOL.

I’ll just keep on doing independent ones you know like (the constitution of independence), thou he's properly never heard of that till now.:rolleyes:

Oh that made me feel living I, think its woken me up a bit or two. I’ll wait a few miniutes more for the amps to warm up, and then knuckle down again for some more Ironside flipping over sexy latino. But that’s not important right now.

otk,
I have an analog meter so I just see the needle bouncing off the right boundary.

Thank you for the waterfalls. It is time to pull out Pulse and watch that meter(only time I ever pull that movie out).

BTW, I have never watched M&C with great audio and at reference levels. I watched it from a download and it was in 2 channel.

Wait wait wait just a sec. Are you saying that you have NEVER watched M&C for real?:eek::eek:. You have no other mission in life then to watch that movie at reference level.

Okay I’ve spent nearly 15 minutes on this one and I can see some room for improvement on the LFE.1 track only yes for those who can’t read LFE.1 track not bass manager!!!

I’m going to have tinker around with the LFE.1 and see what I hammer out here.

The moment I save it, it degrades down by 8 or 10% SOD IT!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=131428&stc=1&d=1233058889

Since most of this scene is played over in different sonic ways over the LCRS in six-track Dolby stereo digital and since most of us might have smaller speakers expect MK mate himself who has JBL professional stage LCR fronts and this sonic moment will play super fine over them with different portions.

It’s easy to switch off the surrounds and one or two of the LCR to see how it sounds in the room and that is one luxury you’d never have the chance of listening to in the cinema because no projectionist is going to piss around just for you before a performance unless you can speak the language.

So its trail and error for the home the home is not standardized enough each and everyone on this site and many more don’t have large JBL cinema LCR up front and the surrounds. MK mate is stepping in the right direction and its no big deal. The stage and surrounds even the subs don’t cost that much if one looks around.

So I have to take a few things into account the size of the matching small JBL control 5 LCR LF HF independent and then sum or splice a small blend of sub bass extension with the small Eltax A12-R then add a tiny amount of the right amount mind you, of LFE.1 so that it smoothly builds up the moment without necessarily overwhelming the moment.

Also the surrounds play a critical role as the (two rocket missiles) pass along the arrays of JBL control 1 left sidewall with sub bass extension pressing against me, as they move away off-screen just as Ironside fires his boasters into the ground insistently sending flying debris showering uniformly over all six-surrounds can’t be asked to switch to centre back surround at the moment.

Part of Ironside foot reverbs off the ground as it clunks down, just as sexy Latina screams her head off with distant like echo as Ironside flips overhead and slightly deep low comes in just as another missile passes overhead.

Wow there are some many different elements of sounds all playing at once.

Too bad Kevin O’Connell didn’t win best sound effects editing nominated 20 times and no wins as of yet.

What can I say, its lots of compromises and experimentations.

You can play this over and over till your all bluray in the face with it. glad I only have the DVD I’d end up thrwoning the sodden bluray out the window by now, yeah Ironside flip that you peeking down Latina dress you dirty intergalactical bugger you. :D

I still remember my seat shaking pretty bad in my local theater during the Ironhide surround/bass sweep. :)not the same with redirected bass,

I still remember my seat shaking pretty bad in my local theater during the Ironhide surround/bass sweep. :)not the same with redirected bass,

Yes cinemas do it different and we should follow the same approach. I’m still blown away and drooling over its presentation after nearly a few years absence from Empire. And my eyes lit up and my ears picked up even higher!

The missile had me turning around to left far side looking down the narrow view of the Empire while keeping one eye still attached to the visual on-screen action then turning forwards again just as I looked at the SPL db meter set to 120dbc when BOOM! Ironside flips over as the sound all went but dull as the girl screams her head off, and while listening to this god knows where it came from.

It’s that good you can’t tell when the subwoofer track kicks in its that perfect. The screen LCR can provide a kick slam and bit of depth as the five-screen uses JBL 4642 18” to take the stage channels further than before.

So it was blend of all the might and dynamic delivery filling a huge cinema auditorium to its max safety level.

Dolby stereo optical A and SR type will reroute some of the low end to the stacks of subs. 70mm mag Dolby /dts/dts70/SDDS will only playback subwoofer or LFE.1 track though the subs.

Most AVR don’t have this luxury switch and there are simple ways around it. Providing the AVR or some new models allow independent settings for each video mode 1 though 2 3 and 4 and so on.

Mine will only do it for all. So I keep it set as LFE.1 discrete for six-track films and Dolby stereo types I just program the AVR to (sw-re-mix) mode to take the extra weight of the soundtrack.

No bass THX manager all the LCR are done though the DCX2496 so thank you THX its just muddies up the signal for six-track because lows from the surrounds or left and right will mask David Marcus getting stiffed by Klingon in the centre channel as the knife crunches though the chest!

Thank you for listening.:)

I’ve got multiples of worries on my plate at the moment as I’m sure most of you are aware of?

Anyway let’s talk Transformers with bass and beyond calmly I said calmly I’m not in the mood for sodden flame war, okay lets keep it civil and polite shall we.

Just ran a few more tests of LFE.1 ONLY! It would seem that 20Hz upwards has common peaks on most films in this range.

I haven’t documented this as there is hundreds if not thousands of Dolby stereo films ranging from 70mm six-track to Dolby SR-D and I only have few of the classic 70mm types on DVD some of which have common peaks and I’m trying to find my own answers.

Also films that have very little 20Hz down to 5Hz is neither here or there at the moment as far as I’m concerned the list might be no more than 10 or so titles once it gets to 100 or 200 hundred then I might show interest as it would be consider the norm, but as for now its 20Hz to 120Hz. But why settle for my opinion.

I’ll run further tests with Transformers and then I’m going to try something else before this film drives me spare!

Jbl,
I have already ran REW, check out my thread for my results.

MikeDuke,
I might just rent the bluray tonight and use it for my movie night. I have been holding off action movies since my remote has not arrived yet so I can calibrate my room.

Is Max payne worth watching?

Sorry to bug you guys again, what was the frequency of the blackout gun blast in the beginning of the movie? I seem to remember people saying it was a let down but I enjoy it.

One other thing if anyone cares to find additional information on the film mix I’ve read one article that is published in MIX.

Now just how many stage cabs does the dubbing stage have plus HF horn also how many subs stacked behind the screen as the mixers might be pushing a certain limit within a certain range and maybe only few cinemas could play this back as few often only have 1 or 2 subs at best behind the screen.

The smaller UCI I mean Empire at Tower Park last time I peeked behind the masking only had x1 JBL 4645B I think yes it was the one with two ports that bend at 45° halfway inside the enclosure. That sounded okay with Star Wars episode 1and want else????

E.T. Dolby SR-D sucked I mean it sucked don’t know what the fader was set at but the it was soft over the LCRS.

Not sure if screen 5 and 6 had any subs behind the screen when I saw I’ Robot in screen 6 it sucked and that has some silly low end as I seem to recall from the DVD.

Can’t be asked to go to this cinema no more it mightily sucks and I think the name Empire cinemas really confesses most cinema goers in the UK, I doubt but few have even heard of the Empire Leicester Square.

Sorry to bug you guys again, what was the frequency of the blackout gun blast in the beginning of the movie? I seem to remember people saying it was a let down but I enjoy it.

Chances are there sound system was at fault or that is how it was mixed you have to always keep an open mind and think ahead.
Also it depends on which channel it played on?

I might check ASDA store next week might be interested in it, don’t care for video games I have but one vintage game on the pc! Asteroids!;)

MikeDuke,
I might just rent the bluray tonight and use it for my movie night. I have been holding off action movies since my remote has not arrived yet so I can calibrate my room.



Thanks. That would be great:).

Well my guess is it would be ether the left and right containing this short but brief moment or only the centre channel or most likely the LFE.1 track ONLY where the mixers have engineered the sound to have solid but deep brief impact on body falls or body punches or weaponry effects.

There might be a bit reverb on the surround?

Jbl,
I have already ran REW, check out my thread for my results.



Oh, I was unaware of that? Do you have the ECM8000 microphone?

I’ve been monitoring Ironside flip for a number of hours now, now then.

I have one lead passing out to the JBL 4645 while another lead is patched into the pc the LFE.1 sub bass passes directly though the BFQ2496 so any minor EQ change will show up on the spectrumlab that has been recoding for hours now.

Made a few cuts while it sweeps though the sonic low end pulse from 53Hz down to 30Hz where there are other traces of effects low end content moving around..

What I’ve done is aimed for greener graph rather than a full blood red or bright burning pink! Been also looking at the barograph on the RA300 while I may only have a single JBL 4645 and not x16 where the level will double by sound pressure cone size frequency well extend down a bit further. No I only have small room not the flipping Empire Leicester Square.

Since there is only so much the control 5 LCR can do and so much the Eltax A12-R can do and so much more the JBL 4645 can do I feel less is more. Yes maybe this is the beginnings of senile a year or two ago I would be singing a different tune and say bugger it I’m going to play this at 120dbc but that’s really pushing it. Less is more unless you happen to have stacks of subs lined up front and please save it, I know what x16 looks like.

Try stacking x16 cinema size subs up front in the living room. You’ll soon run out of space, now then.

Did a few Incredible Hulk waterfalls. I tested the scenes with the wrong connection last time. This is LFE plus redirected bass.



http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm232/Red_Foreman/capt_Hulk-2_Ch-10_0hr_54min_30se-2.jpg

LFE and redirected bass.



Bruce Banner jumps out of the helicopter and hits the ground!




http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm232/Red_Foreman/capt_Hulk-2_Ch-17_1hr_32min_50se-1.jpg

LFE and redirected bass.


Transformers Ironside flip scene.




http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm232/Red_Foreman/captTransformers_Ch-19_1hr_55min-1.jpg

I knew Hulk had some low bass on the sonic canons, that was quite impressive in my room. I love those waterfalls.

J_Palmer_Cass,
Thanks for those. Yeah that's more like what I was experiencing. Sonic cannons are solid at 13hz.
Could you do one for when the Hulk runs through the wall with the forklift in the soda plant? I remember there being a really low pulse there. Nothing super hot in level but I'm gonna guess around 10hz or maybe even below.

BTW I like the way you have the top graph there too. It gives another perspective on what's going on in the bass.

J_Palmer_Cass,
Thanks for those. Yeah that's more like what I was experiencing. Sonic cannons are solid at 13hz.
Could you do one for when the Hulk runs through the wall with the forklift in the soda plant? I remember there being a really low pulse there. Nothing super hot in level but I'm gonna guess around 10hz or maybe even below.

BTW I like the way you have the top graph there too. It gives another perspective on what's going on in the bass.



Looks like it is hot in the 14 Hz area. The top spectrogram is the time slice taken of the forklift through the wall scene.

The amplitude bars on the right give you an idea of how loud the various scenes are.






LFE plus redirected bass.


Incredible Hulk = Target Acquired





http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm232/Red_Foreman/captHulk2_Ch-5_0hr_25min_50sec-2.jpg

Can someone explain what LFE plus redirected bass means?

I'm also not certain I understand why JBL publishes waterfalls for all channels independently at the same time.

I'm assuming that LFE plus redirected bass means you took the frequency sample of the disc itself and the summed bass from ALL channels, but if your mains are crossed at 80hz, this isn't truly what you are hearing because some of the frequencies below 80hz are actually processed through the LCR+SL+SR speakers in a 5.1 system.

I may be completely off here, but someone help me out :D

JBL i always wonderd this....is that room with all those speakers a test room?:confused:

Can someone explain what LFE plus redirected bass means?

I'm also not certain I understand why JBL publishes waterfalls for all channels independently at the same time.

I'm assuming that LFE plus redirected bass means you took the frequency sample of the disc itself and the summed bass from ALL channels, but if your mains are crossed at 80hz, this isn't truly what you are hearing because some of the frequencies below 80hz are actually processed through the LCR+SL+SR speakers in a 5.1 system.

I may be completely off here, but someone help me out :D

I want to know this to.

Do you guys have subs for each channel?

JBL i always wonderd this....is that room with all those speakers a test room?:confused:

I have no comment it’s for me to know and for you to find out. So save up and fly, on over your more than welcome to have listen.:)

Looks like it is hot in the 14 Hz area. The top spectrogram is the time slice taken of the forklift through the wall scene.

The amplitude bars on the right give you an idea of how loud the various scenes are.






LFE plus redirected bass.


Incredible Hulk = Target Aquired





http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm232/Red_Foreman/captHulk2_Ch-5_0hr_25min_50sec-2.jpg

Thanks! I was was pretty close with my guess. Now I know why that part shakes the room so well. :)

Can someone explain what LFE plus redirected bass means?

I'm also not certain I understand why JBL publishes waterfalls for all channels independently at the same time.

I'm assuming that LFE plus redirected bass means you took the frequency sample of the disc itself and the summed bass from ALL channels, but if your mains are crossed at 80hz, this isn't truly what you are hearing because some of the frequencies below 80hz are actually processed through the LCR+SL+SR speakers in a 5.1 system.

I may be completely off here, but someone help me out :D



LFE plus redirected bass means I plug the cable into the receiver's subwoofer output jack and measure the total signal that ends up being sent to the subwoofer. The subwoofer signal is subject to the receiver's bass managment settings. All speakers were set to small with 80 Hz crossovers. LFE high cut was set to 120 Hz (adjustable in my case).

I always wanted to know how to run max spls and waterfalls using REW, is it possible, or do I need different software? How do I hook it up?

I have no comment it’s for me to know and for you to find out. So save up and fly, on over your more than welcome to have listen.:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNLuq0lW50k&feature=related
:D

Ok, I just finished watching Deathproof. Not sure if anyone is a Quinton Territino fan but the movie is a typical QT movie. His style of movies are very different then most but he may of went a little over board in the deep character dialogue in this one. Don't get me wrong, I still liked it but had very little action but I would have to say the ending chase was extremely good if not awsome with Zoey playing herself (stunt women).

Now back to the low lfe topic about this flick. Now there is very little in this but the last chase scene was tactifully perfect with a good sub(s)...which is one thing I like. I have seen movies where the floor and walls shake but just isn't appropriate for the material...like Pulse...not sure as to why the walls and floors have to actually pulse with that scene...don't get me wrong...cool feel but not tactically correct or some batman parts, like a couple of the opening scenes where it seems to be very low and loud...granted my subs are 2 db's hot.

But that last scene in Deathproof was perfect. It is basically a couple muscle cars dooking it out...the rumble reminded me of the days when I was driving a muscle car...that shaking loud rumble feel when sitting inside. I smiled from ear to ear watching this scene and it actually made the movie as a whole very good and entertaining. I really felt like I was in the car...similar to the dark knight scene when the batmobile was spinning its wheels...tactifully perfect.

Not sure how low it goes, probably not very low but very impressive none the less. If you don't mind alot of character dialogue, which is still done pretty well, rent it. If your not into that, fast forward it the chase scene and watch it at reference level...10-15 minutes of enjoyment of probably some mid bass...I swear I should of had my seatbelt on..."tactifully correct"!

watched in blueray.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNLuq0lW50k&feature=related
:D

LOL I must have watched that 10 or 20 times LOL you just wait there son of a b!tch!

IT’S A TRAP! :D LOL

LOL Suppose I was to offer you my $6million dollar home theatre for one night with your wife.:D

Hmm, yeah sure why not.:p
Indecent $6million Proposal

Has anyone done waterfalls for Hellboy 2 or Wanted? Those movies have some great LFE.

Has anyone done waterfalls for Hellboy 2 or Wanted? Those movies have some great LFE.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15310778&postcount=2426
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15129116#post15129116

I was going to do Wanted but nothing really interested me in the movie. Don't have the movie anymore...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15310778&postcount=2426
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15129116#post15129116

I was going to do Wanted but nothing really interested me in the movie. Don't have the movie anymore...

Thanks for the links.

The train crash scene and the first bullet scene that travels across the city in Wanted had great LFE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnluq0lw50k&feature=related
:d

lmao!

Finally got around to watching FOTP for the first time. WOW! Excellent bass for sure. When they were first building the Pheonix and a spark ignited the fuel really made me jump out of my seat...

Anyone see The Hurt Locker? Lots of LFE below 20hz... :) The movie is really good too.
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Thor
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watching the super bowl

the transformers 2 commercial got me psyched :D

I have no comment it’s for me to know and for you to find out. So save up and fly, on over your more than welcome to have listen.:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNLuq0lW50k&feature=related
:D

LOL! i'll just say it is a test room and stay where im at:D

his cat is probably the trap

watching the super bowl

the transformers 2 commercial got me psyched :D

+1. June is so far away...

Good bass that tf2 trailer has, just hook it to your mainsystem and enjoy.;):eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNTj_WPDqYM

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/transformersrevengeofthefallen/

From the Apple trailer, decoded by FFDSHOW and output to AC3Filter.

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Good bass that tf2 trailer has, just hook it to your mainsystem and enjoy.;):eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNTj_WPDqYM

I agree with you there. The only thing that showed off my sub to guests for the super bowl party was that trailer.

Transformers Ironside flip scene.

LMAO, it's Ironhide not Ironside, lol.

Changeling
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01:01:26
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01:11:26
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01:18:46 (Shock therapy anyone?lol)
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With all the talk of U-571 I can't find waterfalls that explain it. Does anyone have a link? The two waterfalls at the beginning of the thread do not look that impressive. Might it be that the information at 10Hz is creating distortion at 20 Hz which sounds great unless your sub does not have distortion at 10 Hz?

Thanks mrkazador for that tf2 chart, pretty good indeed... but do you have max payne, that movie has some of the sickest bass so far, especially scene where that angel take that man out of window...whoa:eek:

The hurt locker looks cracy, must chek that some day.

With all the talk of U-571 I can't find waterfalls that explain it. Does anyone have a link? The two waterfalls at the beginning of the thread do not look that impressive. Might it be that the information at 10Hz is creating distortion at 20 Hz which sounds great unless your sub does not have distortion at 10 Hz?





U-571 sounds great on my system, and my subwoofer(s) roll off steeply a bit below 20 Hz. There is more to bass than infrasonics.



Here is the waterfall for one of the depth charge scenes in U-571.



http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm232/Red_Foreman/capt_U571_Ch-15_1hr_19min_30sec-1.jpg

LMAO, it's Ironhide not Ironside, lol.



Check the deleted scenes. Ironhide does a flip out of a wheelchair, so his nickname was Ironside!!!:D

Thanks mrkazador for that tf2 chart, pretty good indeed... but do you have max payne, that movie has some of the sickest bass so far, especially scene where that angel take that man out of window...whoa:eek:

The hurt locker looks cracy, must chek that some day.

Don't have Max Payne. I probably won't do one for it because I'll never watch it, heard it was real crappy :p

U-571 sounds great on my system, and my subwoofer(s) roll off steeply a bit below 20 Hz. There is more to bass than infrasonics.

There IS!?!? :eek::D

What subs are you running BTW?

Yes, U571 just has nice tight bass with dynamics. That is why I like the Dark Night so much because of the different types(wide frequency) not just the infrasonics(I like those too)

Don't have Max Payne. I probably won't do one for it because I'll never watch it, heard it was real crappy :p

I was mistaken when I thought I saw it in ASDA, it was something else that doesn’t interest me not for a $6million basement theatre!

I’m going to hold off on this Max Payne because it sounds like it would be pain in the ass just for the sakes of waterfall!

“I want the 1980’s!”

So I brought (The Neverending Story 1984) yesterday for £4 pounds.

Can’t understand Warner Bros sometimes and why only a Dolby stereo 4.2.4 and not the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo version?

The lows on it is plenty it rumbled the room down to or near 30Hz. Must have played the end credits 20 times or more cool movie and the photo optical chemical effects by Apogee Inc was priceless.:p

Might do some waterfalls of the 1980’s classic later on, I previewed the Rock Biter chapter 6, yesterday and that rocks!:D

LMAO, it's Ironhide not Ironside, lol.

I like winding everyone up with Ironside and they believe it Muppets don’t they bother to listen to the soundtrack rather than though muffled speaker with soak over it! (I can’t hear the dialogue? Did he say Ironhide or Ironside??)

Read the end credits!:D

http://www.freeringtonesfyi.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/ironside-raymond-burr.jpg

Yes, U571 just has nice tight bass with dynamics. That is why I like the Dark Night so much because of the different types(wide frequency) not just the infrasonics(I like those too)



The depth charge scenes have decent infrasonic sound levels. Not as high in level as the Incredible Hulk, but decent.

The big action is in the 20 to 65 Hz area!

The Incredible Hulk and the Dark Night are my 2 demo movies now. The audio is superb, the bass is loud and wide in frequency. The picture is also fantastic. I like to use the THX amazing life as well.

The depth charge scenes have decent infrasonic sound levels. Not as high in level as the Incredible Hulk, but decent.

The big action is in the 20 to 65 Hz area!

crank it up!

I like winding everyone up with Ironside and they believe it Muppets don’t they bother to listen to the soundtrack rather than though muffled speaker with soak over it! (I can’t hear the dialogue? Did he say Ironhide or Ironside??)

Read the end credits!:D

I'll do that the next time I watch it. lol...I checked on IMDB and they had it as Ironhide.

I'll do that the next time I watch it. lol...I checked on IMDB and they had it as Ironhide.

Besides end credits in six-track Dolby stereo digital priceless just so long as it isn’t Pulse worthless film worthless buy for £7.00 pounds sigh :( and I’m still might fanged to the teeth.

I want to see frequency waterfall of Christian Bale’s anger of rage on the set! Just filter off the highs and pass the rest of it though sub harmonic enhancer, so we can see exactly, what he was feeling when he exploded!:D

I've updated the main page somewhat. Working on 14 pages of info, down to 10....

Once I get back up to speed..... I'll feel better


Thanks to all who have contributed!

Good to have you back!

good to have you back!

+1.

Thanks mrkazador for that tf2 chart, pretty good indeed... but do you have max payne, that movie has some of the sickest bass so far, especially scene where that angel take that man out of window...whoa:eek:

The hurt locker looks cracy, must chek that some day.

IMO, the most insane bass in Max Payne was at the end of the scene after the credits, right when it faded to black. My sub (DIY kappa 12.1) was going nuts...until my neighbor (who is a cop btw) knocked on the door :o

I was hoping someone would have waterfalls for Max Payne, I don't think it was near as bad as a lot of people made it out to be.

Welcome back DrPain

Mr. Brooks gun shots had me jumping! WOW

Mr. Brooks gun shots had me jumping! WOW

try out the seemingly innocent ratatouille...in the front portion of the movie
-shotgun fired in the house
-the lightning strike

:eek::D

Good to see you back DrPain!

rambo(2008) has some impressive bass...surprised its not mentioned too much

So does anyone have the actual waterfall charts for Apocalypto? I watched it last night and it sounded amazing. Probably one of the best soundtracks I've heard.

Kevin O’ Connell rules okay!

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk279/SpectrumsubbassLFE13417/ApocalyptoImwalkingheretreefallingL.jpg

Presently listening to his ear bending (The Passion of Christ 2004) the choir when it cuts in on the end credits bends my ear! Full of brass and percussion then goes into sorrow mood with John Debney.

Good to have you back!

thanks to all your contributions!!!!

The Main page is all update now.

Only thing I'm missing is some movies of the week/month and the ratings for all the films mentioned.


Thanks to all!!

The Main page is all update now.

Only thing I'm missing is some movies of the week/month and the ratings for all the films mentioned.


Thanks to all!!

thanks Dr Pain, you rock :cool:

thanks Dr Pain, you rock :cool:

Without a doubt:D

Babylon.A.D.2008.Extended.Cut.720p.BluRay.DTS.x264
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00:43:20 (submarine)
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01:22:39
This scene will kick your ass and when you think its over, it'll kick your ass again. That's how badass it is.
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Originally Posted by otk
thanks Dr Pain, you rock



that's all fine and dandy, but without all of your guys contributions I'd be nothing...... :(


anywayz...

I lost all my a/v equipment due to financial issues so I have not watched any movies in the last 2-3 months (I still have a tv), so I need some ratings on some movies. Please rate them as you feel.

Dark Knight
Inc. Hulk
KFP
WALLY-E

etc...

Babylon.A.D.2008.Extended.Cut.720p.BluRay.DTS.x264
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01:22:39
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I Concur, Holy $#%^ ,


I just got done sifting through and updating 14 pages and Mrkazador slaps more work on for me! (Gee thanks :) (<--sarcastic)

Some nice stuff in that 1:22 scene

Here's my take on bass movie of the month...

While there are many movies out now, one has generated the most discussion IMO and that one is Kung Fu Panda due primarily to the Skidoosh scene...Also The Dark Knight is good on several accounts (mainly the Hospital explosion). My postumus vote would go to either of these movies...:)

Here's my take on bass movie of the month...

While there are many movies out now, one has generated the most discussion IMO and that one is Kung Fu Panda due primarily to the Skidoosh scene...Also The Dark Knight is good on several accounts (mainly the Hospital explosion). My postumus vote would go to either of these movies...:)

ok, but how many stars for each?

ok, but how many stars for each?

kfp=4.6

tdk=4.5

:)

TDK has some incredible LFE. For sure the movie of the month. The incredible hulk is another good one.

Dr. Pain, this thread is incredible. Great work!!

Just watch "Pride and Glory" some good LFE there.

Here's my take on bass movie of the month...

While there are many movies out now, one has generated the most discussion IMO and that one is Kung Fu Panda due primarily to the Skidoosh scene...Also The Dark Knight is good on several accounts (mainly the Hospital explosion). My postumus vote would go to either of these movies...:)



The mummy 3 and Babylon AD easily best both of those movies in the the LFE department, however if Quality of the movie matters these are no Oscar contenders......:D

Aww, wtf! Looks like HDimage.org didn't pay their bills and my screencaps are gone :(

I was playing Max Payne 2 for the PC, nice low freq!
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4736/barrelexplosionsdl8.th.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=barrelexplosionsdl8.jpg)

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that's all fine and dandy, but without all of your guys contributions I'd be nothing...... :(


anywayz...

I lost all my a/v equipment due to financial issues so I have not watched any movies in the last 2-3 months (I still have a tv), so I need some ratings on some movies. Please rate them as you feel.

Dark Knight
Inc. Hulk
KFP
WALLY-E

etc...

Here are my votes:

Dark Knight 4.5 stars
Inc. Hulk 5 stars
KFP 5 stars
WALLY-E 2 stars

KFP... I don't get it. The skidoosh scene is cool. The excape from the prison scene is cool, and there is a smattering of other LFE scenes. It has a very well designed and integrated soundtrack, for sure. .... But it's not a 5 star bass fest. Now, the new Hulk movie? That's a 5 star bass fest.

KFP is maybe a 4 star bass movie. I'd personally rate it at 3.5 stars for bass.


Tim

KFP... I don't get it. The skidoosh scene is cool. The excape from the prison scene is cool, and there is a smattering of other LFE scenes. It has a very well designed and integrated soundtrack, for sure. .... But it's not a 5 star bass fest. Now, the new Hulk movie? That's a 5 star bass fest.

KFP is maybe a 4 star bass movie. I'd personally rate it at 3.5 stars for bass.


Tim


Completely Agree. I've watched it twice. (first time having read the threads here) then they second time thinking maybe I missed something. I don't think I did.

Agree with you on Hulk as well. 5 stars for sure.
I'd say 3.5 works for KFP.

The mummy 3 is a 4.5-5 range.
Babylon AD is a 4-4.5
Max Payne is a 4- 4.5 (having just watch this last night).

But i guess this is all somewhat subjective too, but at least we have similar ears...or vibration detectors! :)

My votes.

The Hulk is 5 stars
The Dark Knight at 4 stars
KFP at 4 stars or maybe 3.5
WallE is 1 star. (Bass and this movie don't belong in the same sentence IMO)
Hellboy 2 is 5 stars

I agree with Ricci, except I would give the Dark night 4.5. There are many seens with deep subtle bass that many may miss. I play at reference levels which make everything more noticable.

1. Hulk, Hitman, Live Free Die Hard
2. Dark Knight, Cloverfield
KFP was a decent show, but not a whole bunch of anything.
Ironman was O.k., i need a few more movies for my blu ray collection..
My 1st three choices all totally rock from the intro to the end, very loud and intense throughout each movie.

I loved the soundtrack from Live Free or Die Hard!


Tim

Here's a nomination for a total sleeper soundtrack:

Gabriel

This was a DVD released with little fanfare. It's an archangel ageless battle type of movie. The video quality has a few issues, but it's got one of THE best soundtracks I have ever heard. Really.


Tim

Here's a nomination for a total sleeper soundtrack:

Gabriel

This was a DVD released with little fanfare. It's an archangel ageless battle type of movie. The video quality has a few issues, but it's got one of THE best soundtracks I have ever heard. Really.


Tim

Well,that its sad to hear because its only dolby surround here in scandinavia.

But,anyway i just watched babylon ad and that was sick of bass. Scene where that submarine comes up from ice reminds me that wotw clear intersection scene, pretty impressive indeed and later that rewind memory scene, holy cow, that scene is designed right to systems like mktheater and other guys have here.:)

Recommend 4,5 stars to babylon a.d.

...and others

ih 5 stars(cant argue that).
kfp 3,5 stars(tai lung landing behind furious five, wushu fingerhold in temple and skidoosh, cool, but thats all).
dark knight 4 star(rpg hit to tumbler is always nice and soon goodbye scene).
max payne 4,5 star(hot babes and bass, what else you need, well maybe good story:p).
mummy 3 4,5 star(there is deep bass enough to rise dead, but it cant save this travesty:P).
wanted 4 stars(russian borscht bass:D).
hellboy 2 4,5 stars(at least:)).

The Strangers had a couple of good, house-shaking moments. Sorry, I didn't capture the time or chapter number/name, but I do know that they were within the first 10 minutes of the movie.

Delete this if not useful or already posted.

The Dark Night had many low bass hits thru out the movie. Anytime the tumbler drove by, any shotgun blast, explosions, etc... it also had low ominous bass thru out. Just watch the opening scene when the window blows out, even when the joker and his crew walk into the bank there is loud deep bass. That is why I always give it 4.5 stars, many types of bass that happens often. Now movies like IH, cloverfield, and WOTW have louder bass scenes which get 5 stars.

Max Payne had pretty good bass. I'd rate it a 4 out of 5 (bass-wise :p).

Horrible storyline though!

The Dark Night had many low bass hits thru out the movie. Anytime the tumbler drove by, any shotgun blast, explosions, etc... it also had low ominous bass thru out. Just watch the opening scene when the window blows out, even when the joker and his crew walk into the bank there is loud deep bass. That is why I always give it 4.5 stars, many types of bass that happens often. Now movies like IH, cloverfield, and WOTW have louder bass scenes which get 5 stars.

+1 Dark Knight should be 4.5 stars. It doesn't have that "one" scene where the bass is insane, but it is VERY well done throughout and plentiful.

I recently watched 300 which is also a 4.5 star movie in my opinion, and both The Dark Knight and 300 are very comparable in bass quantity.

-Chad

F*** ya Dark Knight rocks..for my system the loudest, When the Batmobile unloads the garbage truck, it does a u-turn, it almost makes my couch skip with the bass..the two loudest scenes, right after that the Batmobile goes through the wall before it blows itself up, insane loud and the hospital blowing up almost scrambled my brains..great show as well.

For those who haven't watched Hitman yet, it's a must. The Mr. Price scene is by far the loudest i've heard with my system. 7-8 scenes in that movie that rock the block, and it's a terrific movie as well..

that's all fine and dandy, but without all of your guys contributions I'd be nothing...... :(


anywayz...

I lost all my a/v equipment due to financial issues so I have not watched any movies in the last 2-3 months (I still have a tv), so I need some ratings on some movies. Please rate them as you feel.

Dark Knight
Inc. Hulk
KFP
WALLY-E

etc...



Dark Knight = 4.5
Inc. Hulk = 5
KFP =4
WALL-E =3.5
Wanted =4
Cloverfield =5
Iron Man =4.5

Oh yeah, Horton Hears a Who is definitely a 5. Great Bass throughout the movie.

F*** ya Dark Knight rocks..for my system the loudest, When the Batmobile unloads the garbage truck, it does a u-turn, it almost makes my couch skip with the bass..the two loudest scenes, right after that the Batmobile goes through the wall before it blows itself up, insane loud and the hospital blowing up almost scrambled my brains..great show as well.

For those who haven't watched Hitman yet, it's a must. The Mr. Price scene is by far the loudest i've heard with my system. 7-8 scenes in that movie that rock the block, and it's a terrific movie as well..

Totally agree with Hitman recommendation! They need to take notice of what those gunshots sound like...the drug shootout is just absolutely insaaane.

Dark Knight = 4.5
Inc. Hulk = 5
KFP =4
WALL-E =3.5
Wanted =4
Cloverfield =5
Iron Man =4.5

Oh yeah, Horton Hears a Who is definitely a 5. Great Bass throughout the movie.

I forgot about HHW. I'd give it 4.5 stars. It has a lot of really nice bass in it with good variety too.

Forgot about IronMan too. I'd give that a 4.

WallE gets a 3.5? Really? You are the 2nd person I've seen that rated it high like that. :confused:. I must have a faulty LFE on my BR because it is virtually bassless except for Eva's gun blasts and even those are just ho-hum midbass. Look at the other movies rated at 3.5 stars and then compare them to the bass in Wall-E. Maybe the DVD version has a better LFE bass track?

Mummy 3 and HB2 has some great LFE also.

these initials drive me coo coo sometimes :D

i had to read all the way back to dec 14 to find out that HHW = Horton Hears A Who

the search feature helped on that one but i still have no clue as to what "HB2" is

:o

I forgot about HHW. I'd give it 4.5 stars. It has a lot of really nice bass in it with good variety too.

Forgot about IronMan too. I'd give that a 4.

WallE gets a 3.5? Really? You are the 2nd person I've seen that rated it high like that. :confused:. I must have a faulty LFE on my BR because it is virtually bassless except for Eva's gun blasts and even those are just ho-hum midbass. ?


I'd give Wall-E a 3.5 to 4 too (BD version). Several scenes had some good LFE...

Iron Man gets 4.5 from me....

these initials drive me coo coo sometimes :D

i had to read all the way back to dec 14 to find out that HHW = Horton Hears A Who

the search feature helped on that one but i still have no clue as to what "HB2" is

:o

I think it means hellboy 2.

I think it means hellboy 2.

thanks MK :D

I forgot about HHW. I'd give it 4.5 stars. It has a lot of really nice bass in it with good variety too.

Forgot about IronMan too. I'd give that a 4.

WallE gets a 3.5? Really? You are the 2nd person I've seen that rated it high like that. :confused:. I must have a faulty LFE on my BR because it is virtually bassless except for Eva's gun blasts and even those are just ho-hum midbass. Look at the other movies rated at 3.5 stars and then compare them to the bass in Wall-E. Maybe the DVD version has a better LFE bass track?

I have the BD also. The bass scenes in WALL-E were the best when the ship was landing and taking off. Not great bass but it did have some. EVA's gun blasts didn't seem all that deep to me.

I have the BD also. The bass scenes in WALL-E were the best when the ship was landing and taking off. Not great bass but it did have some. EVA's gun blasts didn't seem all that deep to me.

I've seen that movie probably 3 or 4 times and I don't remember there being barely anything at all compared to other movies at -5db REF with the ship lands or taking off.:confused: Maybe I will watch it yet again and check the audio settings or something...

Shouldn't a rating of 3.5 to 4 stars be a movie with considerable amounts of bass that is clearly more predominant and demanding than in a "normal" movie? IE 2.5 stars is just average?

I just watched Cloverfield and the bass was :eek:. WOW! Movie was OK, but the audio was sublime. -12db on the TrueHD track was all I could handle.

I've seen that movie probably 3 or 4 times and I don't remember there being barely anything at all compared to other movies at -5db REF with the ship lands or taking off.:confused: Maybe I will watch it yet again and check the audio settings or something...

Shouldn't a rating of 3.5 to 4 stars be a movie with considerable amounts of bass that is clearly more predominant and demanding than in a "normal" movie? IE 2.5 stars is just average?

I wasn't trying to say it had great crazy bass but there were a couple of sections that were ok. 2.5 probably is a good rating for WALL-E.

Just a quick question about the Skidoosh scene in KFP. After the bass starts to hit and you see the explosion carry out over the land, does the bass disappear before getting to the top of that hill? I just got my eD sub and ordered KFP just to demo this scene. It seems a bit lacking right now though as there are a few moments of good deep bass rolling in, but then a few moments of seemingly nothing it rolls back in a bit.

Just a bad movie to start the new system with, throw the Incredible Hulk in and re-post..KFP was an ok movie, but nothing to scare friends over, :)

Just a quick question about the Skidoosh scene in KFP. After the bass starts to hit and you see the explosion carry out over the land, does the bass disappear before getting to the top of that hill?

Yep, pretty much. I and a few others discussed our disappointment in the ensuing shockwave in another thread (can't remember exactly which one right now, sorry). The initial blast is pretty darn cool though :)

Yea, the shockwave would have been cooler if it was more like the Jericho demonstration in Iron Man.


Tim

Region 2 DVD
Chapter 20, 74 minutes 24 seconds

It felt like an Earthquake on the LFE.1 with JBL 4645 18” subs rule okay, recoil was meaty and raw, as Bryan empties the whole clip into one of the scum bags who participated in his daughters kidnapping.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk279/SpectrumsubbassLFE13417/TAKENchapter20elevatorItwasalwayspe.jpg

What about the Rundown

The scene in the gave is a personal favorite of mine for demo. Lots of surround and the Bass it You in the chest.

Ray

Scum bag kidnapper hit by a lorry!
37 minutes 03 seconds

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Interrogated with Torture By Electrical Shock!
When Bryan doesn’t get an answer he throws the switch, simple matter of voltage.

61 minutes 56 seconds

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KFP
I give up>>>>>>>What movie is this:confused:

HH

KFP
I give up>>>>>>>What movie is this:confused:

HH

It’s called Kentucky Fired Panda :D it about a Panda that knows kung fu. Still haven’t brought it and its been 6 or 7 weeks no, so maybe I don’t fancy eating fried panda.

KFP
I give up>>>>>>>What movie is this:confused:

HH

Kung Fu Panda. A great movie...

It’s called Kentucky Fired Panda :D it about a Panda that knows kung fu. Still haven’t brought it and its been 6 or 7 weeks no, so maybe I don’t fancy eating fried panda.

So Kentucky fired him eh????:D

Kung Fu Panda. A great movie...

So Kentucky fired him eh????:D

Yeah and I’m still picking out the fur that’s stuck between my teeth.:D

I’m really into this TAKEN chapter 20 is funny when that scum business man pimp doesn’t stand chance shot 8 times. Liam Neeson comes off like THE TERMINATOR :D everyone is systematically shot with killer LFE.1.

KFP
I give up>>>>>>>What movie is this:confused:

HH

It’s called Kentucky Fired Panda :D it about a Panda that knows kung fu. Still haven’t brought it and its been 6 or 7 weeks no, so maybe I don’t fancy eating fried panda.

I belived you, untill croseiv steped in and set me straight...:)

Kung Fu Panda. A great movie...

Thank-U for not letting me make a fool of my self, when I would have been looking for the wrong movie at Wally World and then having to ask a clerk for assistance..:eek:

HH

I belived you, untill croseiv steped in and set me straight...:)



Thank-U for not letting me make a fool of my self, when I would have been looking for the wrong movie at Wally World and then having to ask a clerk for assistance..:eek:

HH

very misleading he his.... :(

Yeah and I’m still picking out the fur that’s stuck between my teeth.:D

I’m really into this TAKEN chapter 20 is funny when that scum business man pimp doesn’t stand chance shot 8 times. Liam Neeson comes off like THE TERMINATOR :D everyone is systematically shot with killer LFE.1.

I wish I had Taken on Blu-Ray.:mad:

Here is again those waterfalls and some more what mrkazador missed.:)

more.

one more.

rewind memory chap9
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This scene is 5 star worthy, but rest of movie is maybe some 4 star.:)

I belived you, untill croseiv steped in and set me straight...:)

Thank-U for not letting me make a fool of my self, when I would have been looking for the wrong movie at Wally World and then having to ask a clerk for assistance..:eek:

HH

Why not KFP I mean there was KFM Kentucky Fried Movie.:D

I wish I had Taken on Blu-Ray.:mad:

Just get the DVD region 2 its cheaper over the costly overpriced bluray, hardly anyone is touching them at ASDA it’s the perfect sound and picture format DVD that everyone wants, now then;)

Just get the DVD region 2 its cheaper over the costly overpriced bluray, hardly anyone is touching them at ASDA it’s the perfect sound and picture format DVD that everyone wants, now then;)

Every where I look it says that region 2 DVDs and Blu-Rays from the UK won't play here in systems in the states.

Every where I look it says that region 2 DVDs and Blu-Rays from the UK won't play here in systems in the states.

Get player and get a friend to change the transformer so it works with 60Hz hmm UK goes lower 50Hz:D interesting. What about multi-region here in the UK some like region 1 DVD.

If any one is being tortured with electricity surly it would be 60Hz or better still 50Hz.

Added to the list based on the review.

Afro Samurai: Resurrection (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1265998/) Blu-ray

Afro Samurai: Resurrection (DD640) - Tier 1...DD640 until Funi starts a disc replacement program.:o

First off LFE = whoa. This is the LFE king of animation titles:eek:, in terms of bass I wouldn't say it is Cloverfield as much as it is TDK. The disc filled with lots of deep LFE, the room shaking stuff, in some instances even the house shaking stuff. I think this one might have gone subsonic a few times. The bass doesn't just stick to the area around the sub, it will travel throughout the area of the room. Good stuff.

Compared to Season 1 this one is a big step up in terms of mixing. Atmospherics are good the soundscape, on the whole, is much more active in this one. In terms of sheer aggressiveness Season 1 can't touch it. This isn't going to stack up to KFP, but it's totally appropriate for the material.
Surround use is also more prevalent. And there are some neat sci-fi sounds that pepper the show.

My only issue is that at times the dialogue feels like it's something separate from the rest of the mix. Imaging could be a bit better, and as good as the LFE is it doesn't really do that thing where it creates its own gravity field, at least not firmly. I'm certain that the fixed version, whenever that gets out, will alleviate these things - deep bass does benefit from lossless. One other thing that I liked is that the audio is mixed with proximity in mind and the levels adjust accordingly. Music will also be dialed up and down as needed for dramatic effect. In some instances I think the composer went with less Bassy music so the weapons and various exaggerated moves could use up those frequencies, which I think was a smart move.

The rest of the audio is completely competent, but the LFE is the real standout here. I wasn't not expecting LFE with that much emphasis on the L, with this title. I'm really on the fence about calling this Tier 0, it does sound great.

Every where I look it says that region 2 DVDs and Blu-Rays from the UK won't play here in systems in the states.

To answer your question:

There are a number of different SD players that can be "hacked" with their remote to allow for region free playback. OPPO makes some of the most popular models.

As far as Blu Ray, you'll need a player from that region, your US player hardware modded (or if you can do it, there are kits available) or an LG 200 dual format player can be remote hacked to playback other regions.

Personally, I have a OPPO player and had my backup Panny 30 blu ray player modded by jvbdigital.com. It costed about $170 delivered to perform the mod.

I had a group from work over last night to watch the Blu Ray copy of "Taken"

:D Changeling on blu ray had some good bass in a a few scenes. Just watched it last night. The chicken coop scenes specifically. I also got quarantine(only the dvd because some one let me borrow it) and it has lots of bass throughout. :D

So, I had been watching this one (the sound canon scene) in 20 Hz mode and decided to give 15Hz mode a shot. Holy moly!!! Wow man. When the canons start the Ultras throw out quite the wind....And the woofs really move... Most excellent.:D Closing off that third port really increases the air flow.

Just watched Hancock...not a bad movie, but really unimpressive for the bass.

This movie should have had a ton more LFE content than it did!

So, I had been watching this one (the sound canon scene) in 20 Hz mode and decided to give 15Hz mode a shot. Holy moly!!! Wow man. When the canons start the Ultras throw out quite the wind....And the woofs really move... Most excellent.:D Closing off that third port really increases the air flow.

That scene is no longer welcome in my home :D Its hurtful!

So, I had been watching this one (the sound canon scene) in 20 Hz mode and decided to give 15Hz mode a shot. Holy moly!!! Wow man. When the canons start the Ultras throw out quite the wind....And the woofs really move... Most excellent.:D Closing off that third port really increases the air flow.

Cool--was thinking of tinkering in the HT today--now I have something special to try!

Thanks croseiv...

So, I had been watching this one (the sound canon scene) in 20 Hz mode and decided to give 15Hz mode a shot. Holy moly!!! Wow man. When the canons start the Ultras throw out quite the wind....And the woofs really move... Most excellent.:D Closing off that third port really increases the air flow.

did you have to recalibrate after switching tuning modes ?

i thought i read that you lose a few db above the tuning point when using the lower tuning modes ?

did you have to recalibrate after switching tuning modes ?

i thought i read that you lose a few db above the tuning point when using the lower tuning modes ?

I'm calibrated in 15Hz mode actually....

Cool--was thinking of tinkering in the HT today--now I have something special to try!

Thanks croseiv...

I was tinkering around with an idea last month that’s worked out fairly well for the LFE.1 track only, “you know the LFE.1 track only”, wow is there an echo here?

I own the rights on that word “Tinkering” have you got any money to pay me for the use of that word. Come on cough up.:D

I'm going to watch Afro Samurai tomorrow, I'll put up some waterfalls.

I was tinkering around with an idea last month that’s worked out fairly well for the LFE.1 track only, “you know the LFE.1 track only”, wow is there an echo here?

I own the rights on that word “Tinkering” have you got any money to pay me for the use of that word. Come on cough up.:D

Dang, caught in the act of impersonation. :p

OK, so I'll do some "tweeking" -- unless someone has dibs on that! :D

Hey, isn't tinkering what you do in the men's room????:D

It is if you're Larry Craig.

Hey, isn't tinkering what you do in the men's room????:D

No that would be George Michael, flashing in London underground bog!:eek:

http://grhomeboy.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/george_michael_pic.jpg

He knows where he can stick his .1! Or I’ll kick it in and then it will be .0 nothing!:D

HDIMAGE is BACK!!!!!
I thought I had lost all my screencaps... phew. I think I'm going to download all of them to my pc just in case.

Afro Samurai Resurrection
Ac3Filter: 120hz redirected bass

Lots of 30-40hz bass in the fight scenes and when music is playing. I wouldn't say its the ultimate animated bass movie.

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It is if you're Larry Craig.

Dang, that's close to home! :o

Thankfully he's on the other side of the state.

Now back to the regularly scheduled program, eh?! :)

I changed my pb13u to the 15hz and did an arbitrary bump in my gain to 11:30 from 11:00. Played one of the Band of Brothers in BD tonight (the Bulge bombing and taking of Foy) and was very impressed with the added depth. Have to borrow Hulk from my neighbor to hear the diff. on the sound cannon scene...

I don't know how to do the measuring and waterfall stuff that you guys do, but I watched a movie called Mirrors last night with Kiefer Sutherland, and it had some pretty intense bass. Maybe one of you can check that out with your measuring tools.

Mirrors has a lot of bass around 30hz when you see the "demons." Its not very loud but its definitely there.

Does anyone know what the frequency is when the joker enters the bank at the beginning of the Dark night? That bass was loud, not tumbler loud but very noticable.

Does anyone know what the frequency is when the joker enters the bank at the beginning of the Dark night? That bass was loud, not tumbler loud but very noticable.
Hey how does the part at the bank scene when he takes of his mask for the first time feel.:eek: That part seems to have some good bass. I could only imagine it on your system. What about the scene when they are in the vault and finds out about the electrical current the hard way. :D Do you think there is some low stuff there?

Hey how does the part at the bank scene when he takes of his mask for the first time feel.:eek: That part seems to have some good bass. I could only imagine it on your system. What about the scene when they are in the vault and finds out about the electrical current the hard way. :D Do you think there is some low stuff there?

This is why I like this movie so much. All those parts you mention have a good impact on my room. The opening scene when the first view of the building comes on has big impact.

Here are those Dark Knight scenes.

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The very first part of the waterfall is when he gets shocked.
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Does anyone know what the frequency is when the joker enters the bank at the beginning of the Dark night? That bass was loud, not tumbler loud but very noticable.

Mainly 35-40hz when joker enters bank, opening shot to building was strongest in 25-30hz area. When joker shoots the bus driver, there is some good 15hz-25hz bass. Btw mktheater, do you have planet terror?:)

sh*t Mrkazador was quicker.:eek:

Heh...
Damn HDImage doesn't completely load the pictures, have to keep refreshing.

You guys are awesome, thanks. I am just trying to get a subjective feel of different frequencies during movies. One of the most shocking and quick blasts from a demo is the THX intro amazing life. At reference levels that bass is just awesome. I give that 5 stars easily, but it does not last long. I have not scene Planet Terror. I have not even put pulse back in yet which is a 5 star scene for bass. I know the lower you get the more body compression and shake. Sometimes running demos with mutiple frequencies playing loud you can not pick them out, since we naturally hear above 20 hz better. 115 db's at 10 hz will not be as loud as 115 db's at 20 hz. Even 120+ db's.

better late than never on the DK charts! ;)

I know it's NOT deep but was the club sequence pushing ref. level (around 60 Hz I'm sure)...??

I want to run a demo of some scenes and video the spl meter pegging the 126 db mark without correction. It is very cool and the effect is awesome. It does not matter which scene I use. My speakers and mutiple subs are so efficient that all my amps are set to 16 db's(about 1/4 gain) and I still have to set the processors lfe trim to -6db's which equates to being calibrated at 92 db's which flat would be 75 db's. I have alot of gain and headroom to play with.

What is the best way to video what scene I am playing and then so the meter? Is there a way thru REW to measure the max spl I am reaching? I can not tell from the meter.

Yes, the club was very loud and sounds like alot of subs that are one note wonders because it does hit that sweet spot of most subs.

Planet Terror has some good, fun LFE all over it. Not the deepest stuff but near constant low rumbles throughout.

What is the best way to video what scene I am playing and then so the meter? Is there a way thru REW to measure the max spl I am reaching? I can not tell from the meter.

It is possible but it's sort of tricky. Do you run the ECM8000 mic? Turn your system up till it is about as loud as you think it will possibly get during the movie. Maybe just play the scenes that you are looking to record at the level you will have them when you do. While they are playing you will have to monitor your input levels and gain structure in REW. Set it to where the output from the mic is not overloading the inputs at these really loud levels. Leave a bit of headroom. Then back off the levels leaving the input gain structure from the mic into REW and your computer the same. Then calibrate the mic and REW to your SPL meter at 100db which is the highest that REW will calibrate too. You may get a low signal level warning. Just ignore it. Turn the movie up and let it rip.

I had to do something similar to this when I was doing my testing at 120db.

It's pretty tricky to do the high SPL stuff in REW. Kinda wish they would add a 'High SPL' mode or something. On a related note, if I were to upgrade from a Rat Shack meter to the ECM8000 what else would I need to buy to make it work with my laptop?