I bought The Haunting off eBay a while back and they sent me the DD version. I immediately knew it was the wrong version. They paid for return shipping and gave me a full refund immediately because they advertised the DTS version.

Late last week I bought The Haunting off eBay again for $.99 (plus $3.00 shipping :( ). I received it today and was shocked to find out that it is a brand spanking new copy. I almost hate to open it. :D

Hopefully I will get to watch it this weekend so I can see what all the fuss is about!

lucky you. i had to pay full price at the mall when it first came out

glad i have it though :)

there are not many 6.1 DTS discrete movies out there

the only other one i have is gladiator

I finally saw the "Darla Tapping" scene last night because Finding Nemo was on the disney channel. I was NOT impressed. I thought it was pretty weak! :( Maybe because it was on TV/DVR?

I really did not know where the scene was, so I just let the movie play at about that point. I thought the walls were going to come down as I jumped for the remote. It is absolutely phenomenal on dvd in my HT. Never heard it anywhere else.

The haunting and Finding demo are bass worthy demos. It helps to like the movie as well which I do.

I just tried watching The Haunting. WOW! I only got about 30 minutes into the movie and decided to turn it off. My whole house was shaking. I was only listening at -20 MV (of course I am running my subs about 8dB hot right now). I don't want to wake the family/neighborhood.

I will have to finish watching this movie during the day sometime, and when everyone is out of the house.

Wait until you get later in the movie.

anyone seen that new movie '9'? Saw a preview and it looks to be pretty nuts with the bass

anyone seen that new movie '9'? Saw a preview and it looks to be pretty nuts with the bass
9 Is a great Tim Burton flick.
The bass is pretty amazing too. There are plenty of scenes that should shake the house down when it comes to Blu-Ray.

Monsters Vs Aliens (2009) AC3 http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/images/smilies/4stars.gif
Pretty good bass scenes and lots of mid bass. The ending had lots of 50-110hz content, too much to plot.

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I'll second that. Very good bass throughout.

My fiance doesnt know it yet, but shes going to HATE this thread. Look what it did to my Netflix list.

List Order Movie Title Instant Star Rating Genre Expected Availability Remove
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
Anvil: The Story of Anvil
Observe and Report
Wanted
War of the Worlds
Watchmen
Pulse
Iron Man
U-571
Dark City Director's Cut
Master and Commander
Crank 2: High Voltage
The Haunting
Monsters vs. Aliens
Cloverfield


Just a whole lot of what she calls "boy movies" :cool:

that's crazy :eek:

is that random unintended noise that slipped past the recording engineer ?

:DI don't know about noise, but what i remember it can be felt and hear(at least part of it).

I was looking for these. just finished watching it and it had some amazing bass.

Aren't scenes "man opens his mouth" and "Who are you" the same?

And speaking of that scene, i didn't feel any bass when the light came out his mouth. it was very loud, but i didn't really feel anything. every other scene i felt but this one i felt nothing. my woofer was moving in and out like crazy. you guys think maby i have a dip at that frequency?

"who are you" and "man open his mouth" are not same scenes. Who are you comes soon after when you see those kids carrying rabbits.

This isn't from a DVD/BluRay or movie, but I'm surprised I didn't find this sooner.
I saw the Forza 3 trailer originally on my PC and never thought to even watch it on my HT setup. Fired up my Xbox 360 and downloaded it last night.

I was pretty blown away by the audio track in the trailer. It has some very nice deep room filling bass!

Go download it from the Xbox Live Marketplace if you haven't already, you can queue the download from this link below:
http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/games/offers/0bbf0002-0000-4000-8000-00004d53084d?cid=SLink

This isn't from a DVD/BluRay or movie, but I'm surprised I didn't find this sooner.
I saw the Forza 3 trailer originally on my PC and never thought to even watch it on my HT setup. Fired up my Xbox 360 and downloaded it last night.

I was pretty blown away by the audio track in the trailer. It has some very nice deep room filling bass!

Go download it from the Xbox Live Marketplace if you haven't already, you can queue the download from this link below:
http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/games/offers/0bbf0002-0000-4000-8000-00004d53084d?cid=SLink

I just downloaded this trailer and the car flip at the end sent a beautiful wave of bass through my entire room.:D GREAT BASS!!!

I just watched Observe and Report and I was surprised that it had good bass when they were shooting they're guns.

If it's bass you are looking for...I'd move cloverfield to the top of your list.... 74 minutes of deep clean plentyful BASS

My fiance doesnt know it yet, but shes going to HATE this thread. Look what it did to my Netflix list.

List Order Movie Title Instant Star Rating Genre Expected Availability Remove
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
Anvil: The Story of Anvil
Observe and Report
Wanted
War of the Worlds
Watchmen
Pulse
Iron Man
U-571
Dark City Director's Cut
Master and Commander
Crank 2: High Voltage
The Haunting
Monsters vs. Aliens
Cloverfield


Just a whole lot of what she calls "boy movies" :cool:

The open mouth scene in the Knowing should move your pants with visceral bass.

just watched X-Men: Wolverine on tuesday night, it sure got a couple decent bass scenes!! it might not be the deepest, but is pretty loud even when listening at -14db!! (calibrated using DVE Bluray, sooooo.... 75db @ MV, right?? or is it 85db??)

If it's bass you are looking for...I'd move cloverfield to the top of your list.... 74 minutes of deep clean plentyful BASS


I tried watching that, it was pretty impressive in spots but I could only watch the first 30 minutes before I just couldn't take the awfulness of the movie anymore

yeah, the storyline/camera style is kind of love it or hate it.
When my wife and I watched Cloverfield, she was confused at the end saying "That movie had no plot"--that and that she was sure our neighbor was glad the movie was over.

I'm looking forward to owning the blu-ray version of it someday

Monsters vs. Aliens has good bass throughout the movie.

Watch for Star Trek. It should be out on DVD and Blu in Novemeber. It's got a rare combination of qualities...it's a damn good movie and it has some scenes with killer, punchy bass.

Will be posting some Star Trek(5.1 AC3) waterfalls soon. I've never seen Star Trek (tv series or movies) before but I decided to watch this and holy crap...This movie is amazing, definitely 5 stars in the bass department.

Star Trek (2009) AC3 http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/images/smilies/5stars.gif

I don't know very much about Star Trek so I'll try my best to describe the scene in short. The description(spoiler) is after the screencap.


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Beginning of the film, Nero ship through black hole.

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Kirk's wife having a baby

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Spock out of black hole, 25 yrs Nero waiting for him

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Spock Simulator

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warp speed, punch it!

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drilling into Vulcan

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Nero trap

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Pike boarding Nero ship

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Black hole Vulcan planet

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Spock sends Kirk off the ship to a deserted snowing place. Huge beast following him

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Nero ship again through black hole

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drilling on earth

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Spock flying ship with red matter

Wow!

Thanks for posting those.

what is the source of those star trek waterfalls ?

the movie doesn't hit blu-ray till nov 17

what is the source of those star trek waterfalls ?

the movie doesn't hit blu-ray till nov 17

Lol, you don't know much mrkazador, do you?:p Well, anyway thanks mrkazador, bass looks like pretty sick in star trek. I try to do some wolwerine charts, unless you did them already?:)

Lol, you don't know much mrkazador, do you?:p Well, anyway thanks mrkazador, bass looks like pretty sick in star trek. I try to do some wolwerine charts, unless you did them already?:)

now i'm even more confused :confused:

now i'm even more confused :confused:

We aren't allowed to discuss such things on AVS. ;) I'm sure you will get the idea. :p

Wow! Lots of 10hz and below on Trek. Can't wait for it to come out on Blu-ray.

I'm not doing Wolverine so you can do it if you like.

I don't know very much about Star Trek so I'll try my best to describe the scene in short. The description(spoiler) is after the screencap.Oh my God. I want this movie so bad on Bluray that I'm salivating at these waterfalls. I hate you.:p

I'm literally adding things to my audio rig just in anticipation of this disc. Great movie, with apparently, great sound as well. Can't freakin' wait...

oh my god. I want this movie so bad on bluray that i'm salivating at these waterfalls. I hate you.:p

i'm literally adding things to my audio rig just in anticipation of this disc. Great movie, with apparently, great sound as well. Can't freakin' wait...

+1!

I'm not doing Wolverine so you can do it if you like.

Ok. Btw, this movie could be a sick bass movie too.:cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8H6j6afuOM

Just wanted to give an officially HOOOLLLY CRAPPP to the waterfalls for Star Trek! Man that is absoutely sick....

PS State of Play has some of the best helicopter scenes since Irene scene...caught me off guard...

J... PS State of Play has some of the best helicopter scenes since Irene scene...caught me off guard...

Amen, I had a similar thought during State of Play.


Tim

Isnt all that below 10 HZ stuff in Star Trek useless if you dont have like at least four or five 18 inchers ?

Isnt all that below 10 HZ stuff in Star Trek useless if you dont have like at least four or five 18 inchers ?Who cares? If it's reaching to 10hz, then it's easily reaching to 15 and above. Star Trek FTW!

There appears to be plenty of content above 20hz in Trek. I think you will be doing just fine without an array of huge subwoofers. ;)

The extra deep stuff is just the cherry on top, imo. :)

Isnt all that below 10 HZ stuff in Star Trek useless if you dont have like at least four or five 18 inchers ?

I recently graphed a bunch of scenes from great LFE flicks. Here's the lightning strikes from WOTW. This is not from the disc, but my subs mic'd at the LP:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/Bosobass/lightninginside.jpg

BTW, Scott... this was with 2 Ravens. The 3rd was not connected as I incorrectly thought when I answered your question in the other thread. :cool:

Bosso

Nice, Bosso! :)

I've been rethinking my quad sealed build and am strongly considering making them as sonotube, dual opposed much like your Raven's. Good thing to know that you could get such nice response down low with quad 15's. I'll have to try it out with quad 18's. :cool: Ahhh....but first, a new AVR is in order for me. Can't wait to get my hands on it and watch Trek when it comes out on BD.

And just when I was feeling content with my Castle's strong (well over 110dB) output from 15hz and up in my 11'x10' room, Mrkazador has to show up and post those pics.

The only appropriate response I can come up with to those waterfalls is this: :eek::eek::eek:

If only I could fit (and afford) a few sealed subs in my room...

Isnt all that below 10 HZ stuff in Star Trek useless if you dont have like at least four or five 18 inchers ?

A Submersive can get down to below 10hz with 2 15" woofers.

Where can I see a frequency response graph for that Submersive ?

You can start by looking in the official thread but the frequency response out in the open is nothing sexy (at least to me) but people have reported flat down to 5hz in their rooms.

Where can I see a frequency response graph for that Submersive ?

This a frequency sweep, ground plane, not max output.
http://seatonsound.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=1945927
If you poke around Marks site you will find plenty of charts that show peoples room response.
Look for posts from hifibtn,MARS08, and n737nc. They all have charts in some of their threads.
P.S any more talk of the submersive should probably be done it's dedicated thread.

I am ready for Star Trek, it should be fun and I liked the movie. Wolverine was good but the bass was 3.5-4.0 at best. Transformers 2 comes out first though and hopefully shines.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z127/spinefixr/allspeakerswithx-over.jpg

I could always turn up the infrasonics as well. Believe it or not but this sounds better

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z127/spinefixr/recalibratedflatat0mv.jpg

I am ready for Star Trek, it should be fun and I liked the movie. Wolverine was good but the bass was 3.5-4.0 at best. Transformers 2 comes out first though and hopefully shines.
I wasn't a big fan of Transformers 2, but there's no way I'm not going to buy it. I'm fairly sure the audio will be impressive.

Oh, and you really need to change your sig. It makes me jealous every time I look at it.:p

We aren't allowed to discuss such things on AVS. ;) I'm sure you will get the idea. :p

Wow! Lots of 10hz and below on Trek. Can't wait for it to come out on Blu-ray.

ok, gotcha :)

thank you Mrkazador :cool:

I recently graphed a bunch of scenes from great LFE flicks. Here's the lightning strikes from WOTW. This is not from the disc, but my subs mic'd at the LP:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/Bosobass/lightninginside.jpg

BTW, Scott... this was with 2 Ravens. The 3rd was not connected as I incorrectly thought when I answered your question in the other thread. :cool:

Bosso

now that's sweet :cool:

I could always turn up the infrasonics as well. Believe it or not but this sounds better

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z127/spinefixr/recalibratedflatat0mv.jpg

I bet it does! You should run it like that if it sounds better to you, MK. Don't let the "has to be flat" mantra over rule fun and enjoyable sound. :) Everyone is just jealous, run em' loud. :D

I could always turn up the infrasonics as well. Believe it or not but this sounds better

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I bet that too, that hitch hikers guide to the galaxy sound very good in that setting.:p

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vogon ship lands to vogsphere chap14
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...which means by the way, that i have soon more work for you and allprois1 in weekly db discussion thread.:D

I like bass, but hot fuzz, the bass became annoying...it has lots of bass but over exageratted in many areas.

Transformers 2 is out right now... I don't know if I should watch it considering how crappy everyone says it is.

I can't wait to get Transformers 2 on blu-ray. The Imax I watched it at had rubbish sound and the movie looked like it could have some amazing bass. I would say there are elements of the movie that was crappy (childish below the belt humor and 2 annoying autobots) but overall not too bad! It had some great scenes too.

Transformers 2 is out right now... I don't know if I should watch it considering how crappy everyone says it is.It's not going to win any awards for the script, but I'll be surprised if the disc is anything less then demo material considering how good the first one sounded. Then again, the first movie was also much better, too.

Transformers 2 is out right now... I don't know if I should watch it considering how crappy everyone says it is.

:cool: Can't wait to get it.

The movie was crappy but the bass is serious!!!

Thanks Mrkazador, those waterfalls look fun. I can't wait to hear and feel Star Trek at home.

I just watched Transformers 2 and the bass is about the same as the first one maybe a little bit better. So 4 1/2 stars.

I just watched Transformers 2 and the bass is about the same as the first one maybe a little bit better. So 4 1/2 stars.Interesting. If the bass is equal to or even exceeds the first one, I would have imagined it to be 5 stars since the first track was, IMO, clearly reference in all aspects. Of course, this is assuming the rest of the track is equal to the first one. :)

Anyone else find the bass in Matrix 3 just too much? For much of the movie (the extended machines attack sequences) it was just constantly at max. For a movie to be reference in terms of bass, not only must the bass be huge, it must be intermittent, otherwise it just becomes tiring and the impact of it is diminished. "Knowing" is an example of bass done well. Transformers almost, but not quite, crosses the line between good and overwhelming. In Matrix 3 the audio guys just got lazy, I think. Matrix 2 was much better by this standard.

Monsters vs. Aliens has good bass throughout the movie.

I just watched this. The bass was okay, but the movie totally sucked.

Scott bringing back some waterfall heat! NICE! :)

Anyone else find the bass in Matrix 3 just too much? For much of the movie (the extended machines attack sequences) it was just constantly at max. For a movie to be reference in terms of bass, not only must the bass be huge, it must be intermittent, otherwise it just becomes tiring and the impact of it is diminished. "Knowing" is an example of bass done well. Transformers almost, but not quite, crosses the line between good and overwhelming. In Matrix 3 the audio guys just got lazy, I think. Matrix 2 was much better by this standard.

Interesting. If the bass is equal to or even exceeds the first one, I would have imagined it to be 5 stars since the first track was, IMO, clearly reference in all aspects. Of course, this is assuming the rest of the track is equal to the first one. :)

Matrix 2 & 3 pumped. Knowing, the end scene rivals WOTW pod scene IMO.
The 1st transformer's i thought in blu ray was recorded very low, except the Ironhide flip which was crazy for all 3 seconds :)...
Does anyone know if Terminator, Star Trek, Transf2 in blu ray will be DTS ?

Does anyone know if Terminator, Star Trek, Transf2 in blu ray will be DTS ?

startrek=truehd,transformers=dtshdma

i hear terminator is dtshdma too.

I wish I could watch/hear Star Trek and TF2 this early :(

I wish I could watch/hear Star Trek this early :(

i saw it in the theater. i don't like what they did to the story

but the movie does have cool effects

I saw both in theaters (twice) I just want to watch them on my setup!

I saw both in theaters (twice) I just want to watch them on my setup!+ 1 gatrillion. I'm salivating over the thought of watching Star Trek at home.

+2 I saw Star Trek when it first came out in one of the better local Multplexes. It was probably their best theater, showing it on the DLP projector. The picture was great. The movie was great. But the bass was lacking. I'm hoping just due to the theater, not what's going to be on the actual DVD. Can't wait for it to be released!

startrek=truehd,transformers=dtshdma

i hear terminator is dtshdma too.

Thank You. We had a lull in great sounding movies for the last two month's or so...October should blast us all away :)

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Ok movie with ok bass.:)

I like bass, but hot fuzz, the bass became annoying...it has lots of bass but over exageratted in many areas.

I just watched hut fuzz this weekend. I did not find it very funny or entertaining. I did note lots of bass--low, deep bass. Like anytime a door was opened or closed there was a big bass hit. I found most of the bass to be a little too deep. Almost all of the scenes with LFE, I could barely hear the bass I just heard my windows rattling violently (usually a sign of subsonic material)

Picked up the BD version of Monsters vs Aliens. Some decent bass so far (still watching).

Picked up the BD version of Monsters vs Aliens. Some decent bass so far (still watching).I thought the bass was a little inconsistent in this one, but seems to get pretty good towards the end of the movie.

^ Just watched a few more scenes after we got through watching the movie, and it's got some really deep reaching stuff in a few spots.

In another thread a person is reporting 125 db's on multiple scenes on Transformers 2 and manyin the 110-119 db's which would put this at 5 stars, that would be great.

I have doing some testing with SPL's and Star Wars 2:AOTC should be 5 stars, not 3. It hit past 126 db's more often than any other movie. I have not tried Cloverfield yet but I did test WOTW.

Alright MK, you're just bragging now aren't you.;) Don't blow those eardums...:)

^ Just watched a few more scenes after we got through watching the movie, and it's got some really deep reaching stuff in a few spots.

Yeah, when the alien first impacts earth makes a pretty good boom. The SQ over all is quite good IMO.

Alright MK, you're just bragging now aren't you.;) Don't blow those eardums...:)

Just trying to establish a rank system for myself and sharing.

I have doing some testing with SPL's and Star Wars 2:AOTC should be 5 stars, not 3. It hit past 126 db's more often than any other movie. I have not tried Cloverfield yet but I did test WOTW.

Woah! You haven't watched Cloverfield yet or do you mean to measure the SPL's from it? My favorite part was definitely the bridge sequence.

Blu-ray.com's review of Monsters vs. Aliens (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Monsters-vs-Aliens-Blu-ray-Review/5359/)

I pretty much agree, over-all a good movie with some decent bass in spots, I haven't decided what my personal bass rating is for it yet, but PQ and over-all SQ were quite good. (3.5 to 4 stars for bass maybe)

Blu-ray.com's review of Monsters vs. Aliens (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Monsters-vs-Aliens-Blu-ray-Review/5359/)

I pretty much agree, over-all a good movie with some decent bass in spots, I haven't decided what my personal bass rating is for it yet, but PQ and over-all SQ were quite good. (3.5 to 4 stars for bass maybe)I'd agree as well, although I thought the track seemed just a tad less dynamic in spots than I expected it to be. Love the surround use, though. Some of the best I've heard in a movie. The attention to detail in that area, with regards to on screen movements/action,was top notch.

The bass was a little inconsisitent, IMO.

Star trek gets 5 stars from me, amazing bass throughout the movie. Plus its a great movie.

I have not watched cloverfield with the spl meter but I have seen it(I own it on Bluray).

That is great, 2 movies coming out should be 5 stars, Transformers 2 and Star Trek which I liked both, I can't wait.

Has anyone done a review on the new DVD Earth yet? I know it's not going to be the earth shattering DVD of the ages but i'm curious as to whether it has the sound quality it needs to deliver a good story. I've been watching Ken Burns "The National Parks" over the last few days and I assure you, when it comes out on BD, I'll be buying it. Thus, my question. Thoughts?

Any X-Men wolverine plots???

I just finished watching Star Trek. I hadn't seen it before now. I thought the movie was excellent.

The bass was freaking awesome. It was only DTS core though. ;)

There were numerous bass scenes in the 120+ dBs. Bass was spread throughout the entire movie. :D

This movie definitely deserves 5 stars.

Okay, on to Transformers 2...

I forgot to mention that I listened at -10 MV. I had raised my sub trim 10dB to compensate. I also had Dynamic EQ turned on, so the LFE channel was a littler hotter than reference.

Get ready for some Tranformers 2 plots. Its 5 stars in the bass department, so much explosions I was ready to turn off the movie lol. It should go into the guiness book of world records for the movie with the most explosions.

Get ready for some Tranformers 2 plots. Its 5 stars in the bass department, so much explosions I was ready to turn off the movie lol. It should go into the guiness book of world records for the movie with the most explosions.

Okay, so how are you guys getting these movies if they haven't even been released yet on disc?

Just finished watching Knowing. There are a good dozen or so bass scenes throughout this movie. It, too, is mixed very hot. I was hitting 120+ dBs on several scenes. The scene where the guy opens his mouth is crazy loud. Be careful with this movie.

5 stars. Easy.

Get ready for some Tranformers 2 plots. Its 5 stars in the bass department, so much explosions I was ready to turn off the movie lol. It should go into the guiness book of world records for the movie with the most explosions.

:D
I guess all the people complaing about the lack of bass in the first one got back the studio.

Okay, so how are you guys getting these movies if they haven't even been released yet on disc?

http://2dboy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/pirate.png

Hope that helps. ;)

Any X-Men wolverine plots???

someday, i promise.:)

Get ready for some Tranformers 2 plots. Its 5 stars in the bass department, so much explosions I was ready to turn off the movie lol. It should go into the guiness book of world records for the movie with the most explosions.

Some scenes lacked deep lfe bigtime, like that constructor/wheelie crashing bridge and demolishor was pretty lame too, but then there is other very nice sound effects(emp pulse,bumblebee vs rampage), but opening do have some 15-50hz tones(dreamworks,paramount logos).

Okay, so how are you guys getting these movies if they haven't even been released yet on disc?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AzpByR3MvI
:D

Lol, kartoon was quicker.

Transformers 2 DTS Core http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/images/smilies/5stars.gif
Lots of bass, too much to plot.

Intro
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6138/introrq.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/introrq.jpg/)

00:06:30
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5738/000630.th.jpg (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/000630.jpg/)

00:30:18
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6764/003018.th.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/003018.jpg/)

00:40:05
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7359/004005h.th.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/004005h.jpg/)

00:58:18
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/685/005818.th.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/005818.jpg/)

01:01:57
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5482/010157.th.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/010157.jpg/)

01:06:38
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4111/010638.th.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/010638.jpg/)

01:12:42 ( Is deep bass really needed in this scene lol?)
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8439/011242.th.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/011242.jpg/)

01:59:00
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2886/015900.th.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/015900.jpg/)

02:07:26
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7684/020726.th.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/020726.jpg/)

02:11:47
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9571/021147.th.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/021147.jpg/)

Near the beginning when one transformer shoots the other there's strong 10hz. Around 8:30 I think.

Transformers 2 DTS Core http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/images/smilies/5stars.gif
Lots of bass, too much to plot.

Intro
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6138/introrq.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/introrq.jpg/)

00:06:30
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5738/000630.th.jpg (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/000630.jpg/)

00:30:18
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6764/003018.th.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/003018.jpg/)

00:40:05
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7359/004005h.th.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/004005h.jpg/)

00:58:18
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/685/005818.th.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/005818.jpg/)

01:01:57
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5482/010157.th.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/010157.jpg/)

01:06:38
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4111/010638.th.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/010638.jpg/)

01:12:42 ( Is deep bass really needed in this scene lol?)
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8439/011242.th.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/011242.jpg/)

01:59:00
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2886/015900.th.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/015900.jpg/)

02:07:26
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7684/020726.th.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/020726.jpg/)

02:11:47
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9571/021147.th.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/021147.jpg/)

uhh why is it that most of these charts fall of @ 30 Hz??? What pirated version are u charting??:confused:

Guys, don't waste space on the thread with pirated junk, please... only true DVD/Blu-Ray source...

Re-visit Jurassic Park II & III , although they are old school the bass might just surprise you

Guys, don't waste space on the thread with pirated junk, please... only true DVD/Blu-Ray source...

Yeah!

THIRD! Who is to say that stuff is HALF as good as what the BR will be...not to mention those are obviously SFD charts..not LFE.

Yeah!

Why would a pirated version with DTS Core audio be any different from the audio on a retail disc?

Why would a pirated version with DTS Core audio be any different from the audio on a retail disc?

+1...it wouldnt be

Why would a pirated version with DTS Core audio be any different from the audio on a retail disc?

I'm complaining more about the fact that it's pirated in the first place.

I'd expect bass lower than 30Hz in T2....t

anyone charted Monsters vs. Aliens?

anyone charted Monsters vs. Aliens?

Yeah, I'd love to see those, there ae numerous good LFE scenes in it.

Yeah, I'd love to see those, there ae numerous good LFE scenes in it.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17175115#post17175115

Posting of my experience of a re-discovery of a great film.
I just wanted to quickly post about a movie I re-discovered last night: V for Vendetta.
I have recently, in the last 4 months, upgraded my 5.1 from a HTiB. So last night I decided to sit down and watch V for Vendetta as it is just a spectacular film IMO. Next thing I know, The walls are shaking, the sound is louder and clearer than I and just plain amazing. I even had to turn it down where as in the past I often had to turn it up. The bass is loud amazing, and wall shaking without a doubt. There are some scenes that it just a bit overused. But I can tell you one thing, I had a nice Sh*t-eating grin after watching it last night.
I don't think the neighbors had the same though.

Posting of my experience of a re-discovery of a great film.
I just wanted to quickly post about a movie I re-discovered last night: V for Vendetta.
I have recently, in the last 4 months, upgraded my 5.1 from a HTiB. So last night I decided to sit down and watch V for Vendetta as it is just a spectacular film IMO. Next thing I know, The walls are shaking, the sound is louder and clearer than I and just plain amazing. I even had to turn it down where as in the past I often had to turn it up. The bass is loud amazing, and wall shaking without a doubt. There are some scenes that it just a bit overused. But I can tell you one thing, I had a nice Sh*t-eating grin after watching it last night.
I don't think the neighbors had the same though.

Had the opposite experience. I found almost no bass in this movie. The handful of scenes that did have bass were mixed very low. (Also found the plot to be ham-fisted political drivel masquerading as a movie, which I could have sort of forgiven had the sound and action lived up, but they didn't.)

I think we got new 4-5 star bass movie.:eek:

This isn't a movie, but it is still pretty awesome. Left 4 Dead explosion waterfalls. Lots of stuff below 10hz which is why I think it's pretty cool.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5121/l4dwaterfall.png (http://img205.imageshack.us/i/l4dwaterfall.png/)

^ Nice.

I just watched Slumdog Millionaire. I realize the movie has been out on blu-ray for 6 months or so, but the bass was very well done, IMHO. I performed a search, and this movie has only been mentioned a few times in this thread. It believe it deserves to be mentioned again.

This is a very good movie. It definitely deserved the Academy award for Best Picture.

I would give it 4 or 4.5 stars based on the bass alone. Being a great movie is just icing on the cake! :D

I just watched Slumdog Millionaire. I realize the movie has been out on blu-ray for 6 months or so, but the bass was very well done, IMHO. I performed a search, and this movie has only been mentioned a few times in this thread. It believe it deserves to be mentioned again.

This is a very good movie. It definitely deserved the Academy award for Best Picture.

I would give it 4 or 4.5 stars based on the bass alone. Being a great movie is just icing on the cake! :DGlad you mentioned this. I had completely forgotten about this film and never got around to seeing it.

I just watched Slumdog Millionaire. I realize the movie has been out on blu-ray for 6 months or so, but the bass was very well done, IMHO. I performed a search, and this movie has only been mentioned a few times in this thread. It believe it deserves to be mentioned again.

This is a very good movie. It definitely deserved the Academy award for Best Picture.

I would give it 4 or 4.5 stars based on the bass alone. Being a great movie is just icing on the cake! :D

Yes, the AQ is sublime on that disc!

Helicopter fly over toilet chap3
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Colt and blanket chap9
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/slumdoggoltandmatreschap9.jpg

God is great chap16
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Few good bass scenes in this film, but check that last chart where you can see that short 12-30hz rumbling bass sweeps. Bottom one is dd and upper one is dts-es, both are measured same mv level, but dts one have a lot more energy, but then i noticed that dts version sounds distorded in surrounds in that scene and dd version is completely free of that distortion in surrounds. Anyone else noticed that too or would like to check version what owns?

I have doing some testing with SPL's and Star Wars 2:AOTC should be 5 stars, not 3. It hit past 126 db's more often than any other movie. I have not tried Cloverfield yet but I did test WOTW.

I agree. The low-end in SW2 is pretty impressive, but other than the opening scene, not too much below 20-25Hz. Lots of sound in the 30-80Hz range, esp the lightsabers that make your chest and pant legs vibrate as they swing by...good stuff, would like to see a blu-ray someday...

As far as Transformers 2 not having much below 30Hz, that depends a lot on where the film was mixed, and what they had to monitor with. Most mixing stages cannot monitor stuff below 20Hz, and really can't do much below 30Hz, same as most movie theaters. They may have limited the amount of below 30Hz content with that in mind....typical exhibition venue playback capabilities.

One exception I can think of is the Todd-AO soundstage where BlackHawk Down was mixed, they trucked in 22 BagEnd subs to monitor the low end.....that's why the 7Hz content is so strong in that mix in the "Irene" scene....it's meant to to be there, and was monitored by the sound guys.

Something else to think about: On most mixing stages (like most theaters), the front and surround channels are usually high-passed around 40Hz (to prevent damage to the speakers, usually vented boxes tuned to around 40Hz), so if there is some extreme LF content there, the mixer cannot hear it, nor can the theater audience. If that low freq info stays on the track during DVD/Blu-Ray prduction, it is being reproduced by our subs due to bass management on our receivers....when it was never heard by the mixer...I wonder how often that happens.

JSS

I am curious if anyone else was impressed with some of the lows in Cranks 2. I would love to see some waterfalls for it. Mostly when the two girls are in the back of the cop car, as Amy Smart says "do me", and also some of the parts when Chevs heart slows down towards the end.
I know my dual Fi 18 IB belted out some pressure, not sound so much as waves. I would guess sub 15hz. Would love to see it plotted. Entertaining flick for a boobs, guns, and blood. Just glad the wife and the kid were out of the house long enough for me to, pardon the pun, crank it up. Wow can't believe I just typed that.

I just finished watching Transformers 2 (DTS Core). It was incredible.

Transformers 2 is definitely a 5 star bass movie... easy. I was hitting 120+ dBs constantly throughout the last 45 minutes or so of the movie. The battle scenes were totally awesome. PQ and SQ was great. Waves and waves of bass. Not one-note bass either.

This Transformers movie is leaps and bounds better in the sound department than the original.

I just finished watching Transformers 2 (DTS Core). It was incredible.

Transformers 2 is definitely a 5 star bass movie... easy. I was hitting 120+ dBs constantly throughout the last 45 minutes or so of the movie. The battle scenes were totally awesome. PQ and SQ was great. Waves and waves of bass. Not one-note bass either.

This Transformers movie is leaps and bounds better in the sound department than the original.

I hope so. I have high hopes for this one.

just finished watching revenge of the fallen. And ive got to say, the last 45 minutes or so of that was ridiculous on my new epik sentinel, i think that the helicopter flyover when they think sams dead was some of the loudest bass ive heard, and when the B1 dropped its bombs, i think that was some of the lowest. good stuff, cant wait to buy this one on blu ray!

just finished watching revenge of the fallen. And ive got to say, the last 45 minutes or so of that was ridiculous on my new epik sentinel, i think that the helicopter flyover when they think sams dead was some of the loudest bass ive heard, and when the B1 dropped its bombs, i think that was some of the lowest. good stuff, cant wait to buy this one on blu ray!

holy crap i couldn't agree more. I watched this last week and i was in awe at the amount of bass in the last 45 mins of this movie, it gave my epik castle a thorough workout, especially the B1 scene where it dropped numerous bombs. Definately worth buying this on blu ray as that scene alone is great demo material.

Why would a pirated version with DTS Core audio be any different from the audio on a retail disc?

the differences would be subtle at best, mostly on the higher frequencies/surround not much at all on the low end.

the differences would be subtle at best, mostly on the higher frequencies/surround not much at all on the low end.

the dts core would be the same, the only thing that will be better on the blu ray will be the lossless audio, and even thats iffy accoring to DBT's

Land of the Lost is a minimum of 4 stars(bass of course). I would like to see some waterfalls of the T-rex. There is one scene when he approaches(When marshall confronts grumpy) and there is nothing but a tingling feeling of the hairs on your arms and legs, it must be deep. This had great sound quality overall.

holy crap i couldn't agree more. I watched this last week and i was in awe at the amount of bass in the last 45 mins of this movie, it gave my epik castle a thorough workout, especially the B1 scene where it dropped numerous bombs. Definately worth buying this on blu ray as that scene alone is great demo material.

My Castle is eagerly anticipating this movie as well :D

the dts core would be the same, the only thing that will be better on the blu ray will be the lossless audio, and even thats iffy accoring to DBT's

thats what i was referring to, the dts-hdma track

My Castle is eagerly anticipating this movie as well :D

you won't be disappointed, at least in the sound department :D

I have been waiting for a new demo movie, seems like Transformers 2 is the one. Fingers crossed.

Knowbody watched drag me to hell yet? its getting 5 star reviews everywhere.

Knowbody watched drag me to hell yet? its getting 5 star reviews everywhere.
thats actually the first on my to-watch list tomorrow. I made this movie a priority after reading all the positive reviews on it a couple days ago.

My recent bass test scene is "Deep Impact", blu-ray version with TrueHD track. The impact scene in the end is CRAZY. Time mark is around 1hr43min and last a few minutes on and off. My crappy sub a KEF 30B can not handle the bass but it still sounds scary! I hope someday I can listen the scene in a proper setup!

regards,

Li On

I have Drag me to hell next.

I just did some bunch of charts from drag me to hell. Will post them later.

I watched drag me to hell and the bass was not great. I will say a 2.5 out of 5 for bass. I watched it with a epik conquest flat to 13hz.

^i agree. The bass wasn't great but that's not why it garnered such great reviews on sound. I watched this a few hours ago and it's definately one of the better sounding movies and definately the best sounding horror movie on blu ray. Not bass-loaded like The Haunting or even The Haunting in Connecticut but its use of surround sound is 2nd to none. i'd give it 4.5 stars

Seen The Haunting in Connecticut (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0492044/) 2 nights ago. That movie had great bass. :cool:


"The mix summons a hellish low-end from the subwoofer, and the bulk of the scares are reinforced by thunderous, violent waves of bass." via - http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/37994/haunting-in-connecticut-the/

Check it out.

I'm actually stunned that no one else has mentioned this movie in this thread. This movie has WICKED bass especially when the boy has those flashbacks. Someone should chart it.

I am calling it now, The Unborn movie that comes out next week has a few LFE suprises. It might give WOTW a run.

I wouldn't go that far with it, but i watched this about 2 months ago and it does have some scenes that'll shake yer house pretty good.

^i agree. The bass wasn't great but that's not why it garnered such great reviews on sound. I watched this a few hours ago and it's definately one of the better sounding movies and definately the best sounding horror movie on blu ray. Not bass-loaded like The Haunting or even The Haunting in Connecticut but its use of surround sound is 2nd to none. i'd give it 4.5 stars

I agree surround was very good. Bass was mediocre.

Land of the Lost is a minimum of 4 stars(bass of course). I would like to see some waterfalls of the T-rex. There is one scene when he approaches(When marshall confronts grumpy) and there is nothing but a tingling feeling of the hairs on your arms and legs, it must be deep. This had great sound quality overall.My wife loves the old tv show but cut this pile of poo movie off after only 3 YES 3 minutes!!

It was a spoof, what can you expect. I loved the TV series as a kid. This movie had lots of potential until I saw the previews. I enjoyed it since my expectations were very low.

MK where's the waterfall for drag me to hell?

Land of the Lost is a minimum of 4 stars(bass of course). I would like to see some waterfalls of the T-rex. There is one scene when he approaches(When marshall confronts grumpy) and there is nothing but a tingling feeling of the hairs on your arms and legs, it must be deep. This had great sound quality overall.

MK,

Nothing under 20Hz on this one. I ran the whole movie as we watched it. Every scene with the dinosaurs has the same LFE footprint, 25-55Hz. Here are 3 scenes of the dino stomping around. The top left is the R&B tune playing in the stretch Hummer...

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/Bosobass/LOTLscenes.jpg

Bosso

Just watched Star Trek and some top notch sound and bass in this movie, especially when the ships warp.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth00239.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth01908.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth02136.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth02820.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth03233.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth03944.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth04719.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth10222.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth11232.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth11328.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth13258.jpg

Bori, was your sub even on?:D

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth00239.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth01908.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth02136.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth02820.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth03233.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth03944.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth04719.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth10222.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth11232.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth11328.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth13258.jpg

Bori, was your sub even on?:D Sweet! :cool:

I watched drag me to hell and the bass was not great. I will say a 2.5 out of 5 for bass. I watched it with a epik conquest flat to 13hz.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth00239.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth01908.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth02136.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth02820.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth03233.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth03944.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth04719.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth10222.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth11232.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth11328.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/dmth13258.jpg

Bori, was your sub even on?:D

:eek::eek::eek:

Bori, you may want to check your sub. :D

:eek::eek::eek:

Bori, you may want to check your sub. :D

Do I need to answer that. I was not the only when to say this. The movie was not that impressive. Jus because u show graphs doesn't mean the bass was that strong.

bori may be referring to the fact that the bass, while deep, doesn't seem to be as loud (not much pink) as many of the other clips posted.

^^ correct a mundo

Monsters vs Aliens...that 24min timestamp hit 120db with my single PB-13. Sounded amazing! (I'm only tuned 2db hot and was running at -4db Master Volume!

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2434/002247.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/002247.jpg/) http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/002247.jpg/1/w823.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img9/002247.jpg/1/)

Can somebody please answer this? I had a hard time searching for this particular question. I am looking for the best kick in the chest "movie." Basically I am looking for the best scene for this, in particular the ending scene of Children of Men. This scene has fantastic explosions that really give a good thump. I know there are some great songs that can create this but of all movies, which is the best?

Thanks!

Can somebody please answer this? I had a hard time searching for this particular question. I am looking for the best kick in the chest "movie." Basically I am looking for the best scene for this, in particular the ending scene of Children of Men. This scene has fantastic explosions that really give a good thump. I know there are some great songs that can create this but of all movies, which is the best?

Thanks!

It's hard to say which on is the best but I like Max Payne, Transporter 3, Punisher, and Shoot em up. I always associate gun fire as kick in the chest stuff.

T2: Revenge of the fallen sounds incredible!! I can't wait to see the waterfalls on this one. This is a great example of LFE recorded perfectly. This one does not run hot at all, just perfect to me!

Get Mr. Brooks on blu ray. The shootout in the hallway will thump u r chest. I recently saw observe and report and it had some good gunshoots during the shooting range.

Can somebody please answer this? I had a hard time searching for this particular question. I am looking for the best kick in the chest "movie." Basically I am looking for the best scene for this, in particular the ending scene of Children of Men. This scene has fantastic explosions that really give a good thump. I know there are some great songs that can create this but of all movies, which is the best?

Thanks!

any movie with alot of shotgun action i.e Max Payne, Shoot em Up, and maybe Punisher War zone hits you pretty good. Another movie is Public Enemies, some of the gunfire battles especially with the shotguns are breathtaking.

"Live free or Die Hard" has some serious chest thumping machine gun fire!!

Revenge of the Fallen on Blu-Ray....WOW

5-Star for sure. My theater was really shaking!

There seriously is so much LFE in this movie I think we need to try to pick out the top five parts of the movie. The fight scene in the woods for me I think maybe had the combination of the deepest and most thought out LFE in the whole movie.

Can we get some Blu-Ray plots?

Picked up my copy of Transformers 2 on BD today. Getting ready to give it a spin...

Transformers 2 is awesome for bass. 5 stars easily. The sound quality was 5 star as well.

OK. The movie itself is quite difficult to watch honestly, being far too disjointed. It actually gave me a headache. :o SQ is very good, and yes, the bass is good, but the story is quite bad. It's not one for the younger kids. overall, I give this one 3 out of 5 stars.

OK. The movie itself is quite difficult to watch honestly, being far too disjointed. It actually gave me a headache. :o SQ is very good, and yes, the bass is good, but the story is quite bad. It's not one for the younger kids. overall, I give this one 3 out of 5 stars.


Yes, but you have lots of great bass, lots of great surround stuff and of course MEGAN FOX ;):D:cool:

Yes, but you have lots of great bass, lots of great surround stuff and of course MEGAN FOX ;):D:cool:

She's quite annoying really...

She's quite annoying really...

Well....I agree with you on that, but...........:p

Well....I agree with you on that, but...........:p

I'll take the girl who turns into a decepticon :)

Everything about the AUDIO in this movie gets a perfect score in my book...sounds better than the first movie for sure. Picture quality looked excellent as well...about the same as the first.

The movie itself isn't as good as the first and we all know that...but most squeals have a hard time meeting the first. If this movie were 2hrs long and they cut out some of the dumb scenes like those Twin robots....this movie might have come a lot closer to the first in terms of quality.

Another question...for PB-13 owners. What tune did you watch in? I was in 20hz mode because I love every last db I can get, and most LFE is 20-40hz anyways. I wonder what difference I'd hear/feel in 15hz mode for this flick.

To me a lower tune will only matter if the spl is high enough to feel it. BTW, we have another thread about db's in the DIY forum.

To me a lower tune will only matter if the spl is high enough to feel it.

Agreed my friend.

So who will be the first to post DTS-MA LFE waterfalls for us all. :D

Just watched TF2. The SQ was great. Alot of good punch bass but at a lower level than TF1. I kind of like it, because the first time I did't have to lower the volume when the explosions come.

agreed. transformers 2 (although i hated the movie) has some of the smoothest, most enjoyable and consistent bass i've ever experienced. that goes for the rest of the soundtrack too.

Agreed. Even if you hated the movie, sound-wise it's worth the 20 bucks to buy this on blu ray if you have a half-decent theater at home. Definately a thrilling experience that's for sure.

TF2 has been at the top of my netflix for WEEKS. And stinking netflix just shipped a different movie. What a let down.

At least the moviue I am getting is supposed to have good bass--master and commander (never seen it)

At least the moviue I am getting is supposed to have good bass--master and commander (never seen it)

Well get ready for the one of the best audio mixes there is! :eek:

i was born ready

Just so you guys know about the imax version of transformers

Please note: it does appear that the soundtrack accompanying this IMAX version does lack the same amount of power and heft as that found on the standard release. This is still an amazing soundtrack in every regard, but the low end isn't quite as powerful and the sound effects perhaps not quite as loud. Two scenes were sampled several times in succession: the opening studio logo sequence and the forest battle in chapter nine. The IMAX version's DTS-HD MA 5.1 soundtrack is still loud, aggressive, crystal-clear, and makes excellent use of the low end and the surround channels, but it packs just a bit less punch when compared to the standard 2.39:1 release and at the same reference volume level and utilizing the same settings on the same Blu-ray playback device.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Transformers-Revenge-of-the-Fallen-Blu-ray-Review/7747/

Just so you guys know about the imax version of transformers



http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Transformers-Revenge-of-the-Fallen-Blu-ray-Review/7747/



Well I have the Walmart/Imax version and the low end is there. If there was more I'd say it was too hot. This sounded perfect throughout and was LOW and loud.

Plus I have a hard time believing that there were TWO different DTS-MA tracks made for the different disks. Why would they make one better than the other in terms of quality?

What we need is WATERFALL PROOF.

We need the same scenes mentioned to be waterfalled on both versions...then we would have proof, not just someone's ears.


Edit...people really are claiming a difference...a noticeable difference. My question is now...do I keep the IMAX version or return it...I don't know if Walmart will even take it back since it is opened!

Well I have the Walmart/Imax version and the low end is there. If there was more I'd say it was too hot. This sounded perfect throughout and was LOW and loud.

Plus I have a hard time believing that there were TWO different DTS-MA tracks made for the different disks. Why would they make one better than the other in terms of quality?

What we need is WATERFALL PROOF.

We need the same scenes mentioned to be waterfalled on both versions...then we would have proof, not just someone's ears.


Edit...people really are claiming a difference...a noticeable difference. My question is now...do I keep the IMAX version or return it...I don't know if Walmart will even take it back since it is opened!

To me the difference is most noticable in the dialogue (center channel), not the LFE track or surrounds.

To me the difference is most noticable in the dialogue (center channel), not the LFE track or surrounds.

Well I'm stuck with the IMAX version. I opened it, threw away the packaging and the receipt in last nights trash which was picked up this morning!

I now have the other version tops on my blockbuster list so I can compare.

Well I'm stuck with the IMAX version. I opened it, threw away the packaging and the receipt in last nights trash which was picked up this morning!

I now have the other version tops on my blockbuster list so I can compare.

I sure hope your disc doesn't get mixed up with Netflix's. ;)

I sure hope your disc doesn't get mixed up with Netflix's. ;)

haha...when they finally send it

What is the difference in center channels?

Not just the center channel....dynamic range is compromised in the big screen (IMAX) release...

I just finished measuring w/ my SPL meter's MAX function on C-Weighting, and the opening dreamworks/paramount sequence is 5dB louder on the standard edition blu-ray, and loudest for each on the low freq portions......VERY NOTICEABLE......but then so are the large screen shots...as far as I can tell, there are only two of them, in the forest and the devastator sequence...

The big screen version sounds the way movies sound when you use the 'evening' or 'night' dynamic range control on older dolby digital receivers...the overall level sounds about the same, but just less dynamic range...

My guess is that the audio wasn't re-mixed; they just applied compression to the WalMart IMAX release, possibly thinking that most people do not have audio equipment capable of the dynamic range and freq response contained in the unaltered soundtrack....lots of DVDs were compressed the same way...Saving Private Ryan comes to mind...

Why couldn't they just use the same audio track???

JSS

:mad:Not just the center channel....dynamic range is compromised in the big screen (IMAX) release...

I just finished measuring w/ my SPL meter's MAX function on C-Weighting, and the opening dreamworks/paramount sequence is 5dB louder on the standard edition blu-ray, and loudest for each on the low freq portions......VERY NOTICEABLE......but then so are the large screen shots...as far as I can tell, there are only two of them, in the forest and the devastator sequence...

The big screen version sounds the way movies sound when you use the 'evening' or 'night' dynamic range control on older dolby digital receivers...the overall level sounds about the same, but just less dynamic range...

My guess is that the audio wasn't re-mixed; they just applied compression to the WalMart IMAX release, possibly thinking that most people do not have audio equipment capable of the dynamic range and freq response contained in the unaltered soundtrack....lots of DVDs were compressed the same way...Saving Private Ryan comes to mind...

Why couldn't they just use the same audio track???

JSS

I think my copy will be going on e-bay soon!:mad:

Not just the center channel....dynamic range is compromised in the big screen (IMAX) release...

I just finished measuring w/ my SPL meter's MAX function on C-Weighting, and the opening dreamworks/paramount sequence is 5dB louder on the standard edition blu-ray, and loudest for each on the low freq portions......VERY NOTICEABLE......but then so are the large screen shots...as far as I can tell, there are only two of them, in the forest and the devastator sequence...

The big screen version sounds the way movies sound when you use the 'evening' or 'night' dynamic range control on older dolby digital receivers...the overall level sounds about the same, but just less dynamic range...

My guess is that the audio wasn't re-mixed; they just applied compression to the WalMart IMAX release, possibly thinking that most people do not have audio equipment capable of the dynamic range and freq response contained in the unaltered soundtrack....lots of DVDs were compressed the same way...Saving Private Ryan comes to mind...

Why couldn't they just use the same audio track???

JSS


If it is 5.1 wide. Can't we just turn up the volume 5db more and then all the speakers would be at the same level as the Other version?

Not just the center channel....dynamic range is compromised in the big screen (IMAX) release...

I just finished measuring w/ my SPL meter's MAX function on C-Weighting, and the opening dreamworks/paramount sequence is 5dB louder on the standard edition blu-ray, and loudest for each on the low freq portions......VERY NOTICEABLE......but then so are the large screen shots...as far as I can tell, there are only two of them, in the forest and the devastator sequence...

The big screen version sounds the way movies sound when you use the 'evening' or 'night' dynamic range control on older dolby digital receivers...the overall level sounds about the same, but just less dynamic range...

My guess is that the audio wasn't re-mixed; they just applied compression to the WalMart IMAX release, possibly thinking that most people do not have audio equipment capable of the dynamic range and freq response contained in the unaltered soundtrack....lots of DVDs were compressed the same way...Saving Private Ryan comes to mind...

Why couldn't they just use the same audio track???

JSS

Until I see more evidence of this, I'll have to question your assessment. The IMAX version didn't seem compressed at all to me. The Blue-Ray.com review gives the PQ/SQ 5 stars. Just because your other disc is "louder" by no way means it's a better mix. As for the proposed center channel issue though, I haven't noticed it at all, and have been quite impressed with the SQ. Now the script/acting is a whole 'nother issue....

I'm not saying it's a poorer mix, just that it's compressed. The louder parts are made softer, the softer parts are made louder....

It's pretty much exactly as described by the bluray forum...same great sound, but decreased impact and dynamics....get the other version, try it yourself and see...dynamic compression is not something you can easily detect by itself, unless you have the other version to compare...

As for just turning up by 5dB, all that will do is raise volume of the dialogue...the problem is that the explosions and other high spl events aren't as loud compared to dialogue level in the IMAX version...that difference cannot be compensated for by just raising the master volume...

Compression is very handy for people that do not listen at reference, so they will be able to hear the portions of the soundtrack that would otherwise be inaudible at the lower volume levels most people watch movies at, on TV speakers...

I personally listen at 10dB below reference (with Audyssey Dynamic EQ to compensate), to avoid distortion in my mains/center/surrounds...my sub has no problem playing at reference, but my other speakers do (>5% THD).....and reference is really damned loud, IMO. Like leave your ears ringing loud, especially with TF2...but that can be a good thing sometimes...and that's why I have ideas for more capable mains/surrounds...

I'm gonna ask about the sound difference on the Michael Bay forum, to see if anyone knows why this was done...

JSS

I'm not saying it's a poorer mix, just that it's compressed. The louder parts are made softer, the softer parts are made louder....

It's pretty much exactly as described by the bluray forum...same great sound, but decreased impact and dynamics....get the other version, try it yourself and see...dynamic compression is not something you can easily detect by itself, unless you have the other version to compare...

As for just turning up by 5dB, all that will do is raise volume of the dialogue...the problem is that the explosions and other high spl events aren't as loud compared to dialogue level in the IMAX version...that difference cannot be compensated for by just raising the master volume...

Compression is very handy for people that do not listen at reference, so they will be able to hear the portions of the soundtrack that would otherwise be inaudible at the lower volume levels most people watch movies at, on TV speakers...

I personally listen at 10dB below reference (with Audyssey Dynamic EQ to compensate), to avoid distortion in my mains/center/surrounds...my sub has no problem playing at reference, but my other speakers do (>5% THD).....and reference is really damned loud, IMO. Like leave your ears ringing loud, especially with TF2...but that can be a good thing sometimes...and that's why I have ideas for more capable mains/surrounds...

I'm gonna ask about the sound difference on the Michael Bay forum, to see if anyone knows why this was done...

JSS

What version(s) do you have? I may have to pick up one of the other editions. I don't think the IMAX version seems compressed at all though. Heck the opening bass, and explosion shook the house. BTW I'm reading the blu-ray.com thread now.

Back from Best Buy.

Now I have BOTH versions to test.

MAJOR DIFFERENCE just in the opening.

-8db MV on both playbacks.

My SPL Meter set to Fast/Max read exactly 4db MORE on the BestBuy Version than the Walmart Version and the bass seemed "different".

I'm going to go play more and I'll update you all.

Back from Best Buy.

Now I have BOTH versions to test.

MAJOR DIFFERENCE just in the opening.

-8db MV on both playbacks.

My SPL Meter set to Fast/Max read exactly 4db MORE on the BestBuy Version than the Walmart Version and the bass seemed "different".

I'm going to go play more and I'll update you all.

WHich sounds better?? BTW, I really like the LFE of the IMAX version.

EDIT: After reading around, I'm going to wager that the IMAX track is better,just needs to be turned up a little more, but it ain't more compressed.

Here are my findings.

The Non-Imax version is clearly 4db louder on every single scene, producing more LFE and just more overall sound.

So what I did was I tested the IMAX copy at -4db Master Volume and the other copy at -8db MV.

So basically they were equally as loud, but I think..."THINK" the NON-IMAX version just had a little more depth to the sound.

I by NO MEANS would run out and get rid of my IMAX version, but if the IMAX version gets a 98 for Audio I'd give the other version a 100.

People, there is still LFE on the IMAX versions no one is discounting that.

Here are my findings.

The Non-Imax version is clearly 4db louder on every single scene, producing more LFE and just more overall sound.

So what I did was I tested the IMAX copy at -4db Master Volume and the other copy at -8db MV.

So basically they were equally as loud, but I think..."THINK" the NON-IMAX version just had a little more depth to the sound.

I by NO MEANS would run out and get rid of my IMAX version, but if the IMAX version gets a 98 for Audio I'd give the other version a 100.

So are you running them at the same relative level? For example, you say the non IMAX versiom is 4 dB louder, so just turn the IMAX version up 4dB. Over at BR.com, there is some discussion that the IMAX version has better dynamic range.

I've got both versions....my wife got me the standard version, and as I was watching, I didn't see it switch aspect ratio, so I went out and got the big screen version later to compare and see which one I wanted to keep...

Unless the people who mixed the two versions mixed them at different levels (which they shouldn't have, as reference level is clearly defined as 75dB for a signal that is -30dBFS), the version with the stronger peaks should have the higher dynamic range...

Do not get me wrong, they both sound great....I just would like to know which is more faithful to the theatrical mix....

JSS

I wonder if the DST Core tracks are different as well?

OK I just watched and rewatched and rewatched again and again the OPENING 2mins up to where the giant decipticon comes alive and produces some massive bass by pounding his fists into the ground.

I watched the IMAX version 4db louder than the other version which puts them on EQUAL loudness playing fields.

I HONESTLY cannot tell a difference in the quality of the sound between the two when they are equally matched. IF you watch them at the same volume of course the non-imax version will sound more powerful, but when equaled out they sound exactly alike, and my spl meter reads EXACTLY the same readings on both movies.

Where he pounds the ground and flips over the tubing I hit 116db on BOTH movies at that point. When the IMAX was played 4db louder.

I think the moral of my experiment is simple...if you want the Extra punch of the IMAX visuals then simply just turn up the volume 4db MORE and you will have the exact same audio experience as the other version.

I just compared the two bd's....the IMAX version has a -4dB dialnorm correction (shows up on my receiver menu when it is playing), the standard version does not...

Verified here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1189560

Looks like I was dead wrong about the compression argument...

Just as noted above, a 4dB change in volume should give you the exact same experience...

JSS

Here are my findings.

The Non-Imax version is clearly 4db louder on every single scene, producing more LFE and just more overall sound.

So what I did was I tested the IMAX copy at -4db Master Volume and the other copy at -8db MV.

So basically they were equally as loud, but I think..."THINK" the NON-IMAX version just had a little more depth to the sound.

I by NO MEANS would run out and get rid of my IMAX version, but if the IMAX version gets a 98 for Audio I'd give the other version a 100.



If you can do so, check the dialnorm value of each track.

I thought dialnorm was only a dd thing and not DTS.

I thought dialnorm was only a dd thing and not DTS.

That's what I thought because dialnorm was the first thing that came to mind when I read about the 4dB difference.

If you can do so, check the dialnorm value of each track.



That is all it is. Just turn the IMAX version up 4db extra and you have the SAME audio experience as the other version.

I checked and rechecked and then checked again. Everything is the same when you just add +4db to the IMAX version. :D

I thought dialnorm was only a dd thing and not DTS.


Dialnorm and DRC was always part of the DTS spec, but DTS chose to not use either for DVD production.

Some DD DVDs do not use dialnorm (AKA DN value = -31). Air Force One, the Lethal Weapon series, and most recently The Dark Knight do not use dialnorm.

What is new to most of us is the fact that DTS does now allow dialnorm to be used for BlueRay content.

That is all it is. Just turn the IMAX version up 4db extra and you have the SAME audio experience as the other version.

I checked and rechecked and then checked again. Everything is the same when you just add +4db to the IMAX version. :D



I own ther IMAX version of Apollo-13 and the standard DD version. The IMAX version does sound different (AKA better) in the bass department than the standard DD version.

I always have an open mind when it comes to these things, but the dialnorm value is the first thing that I check to make sure conditions are equal. As a matter of fact, what else is left to check except if they are both DTS versions or DD versions.

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One exception I can think of is the Todd-AO soundstage where BlackHawk Down was mixed, they trucked in 22 BagEnd subs to monitor the low end.....that's why the 7Hz content is so strong in that mix in the "Irene" scene....it's meant to to be there, and was monitored by the sound guys.

Something else to think about: On most mixing stages (like most theaters), the front and surround channels are usually high-passed around 40Hz (to prevent damage to the speakers, usually vented boxes tuned to around 40Hz), so if there is some extreme LF content there, the mixer cannot hear it, nor can the theater audience. If that low freq info stays on the track during DVD/Blu-Ray prduction, it is being reproduced by our subs due to bass management on our receivers....when it was never heard by the mixer...I wonder how often that happens.

JSS

All of our stages go down into the low teens so we can hear if there is anything down that low... on the stage I've been mixing on for the last 20 months, the mains all have 2 x 18" Bag End subs on each of them that are flat well into the teens, with the HPF set to DC..... we know what's going on down there. Those 6 Bag End's are in addition to the 16 x 18" Bag End subs we use for the LFE channel... most stages in town use a similar system to monitor the low end in the track.

What does happen, however, is that the SPL reference for HT is different than what we have as a standard.... this causes a couple of things to happen that can "mess" with the bass....

First off, all of the channels are equal, whereas we have the surround channels down 3db in relation to the mains (i.e. LCR at 85db each, LR and RR 82 each and 85 when played together...) This can add up to additional low end content from the surrounds in the sub channel (which is one area we don't compensate for on the stage, although we use Bag Ends for surrounds which are pretty beefy.

The other things that happens, because all of that information then comes from the sub in a bass managed HT setup, there is a greater interaction in the low end that tends to sound a little muddier, bloated and not as tight.. add into this the physical reality that even a 15' long HT can't fully reproduce a 80Hz tone, and you come to the realization that the low end experience is completely different... not wrong, just different. :)

FilmMixer,

Thanks for replying! That's great that you can monitor all the stuff down low, even on the screen channels(!)...but there are few cinemas that can do the same, which sucks for us, the audiences...that's the main reason I outfitted my HT, to reproduce more faithfully what you guys hear...

Wow, flat to the teens, at 115dB at your seat?? That is some POWER....I imagine these are all sealed subs with the BagEnd ELF circuitry...

...but I have a few questions...

Why are your surrounds 3dB down, but not 3dB down on the bluray disc, shouldn't the bluray have the same info theaters get? Is this just a formatting discrepancy?

What do you mean by a 15" room not reproducing an 80Hz tone? Do you mean the 15 inch drivers lots of people use for subs, or the 15 foot dimension of the room? My guess is the room....and yes, small rooms totally blow for low end response, but using multiple subwoofers to cancel room modes helps tremendously, and small rooms get cabin gain for free...but nothing beats having a large space with large speakers...

JSS

FilmMixer,

Thanks for replying! That's great that you can monitor all the stuff down low, even on the screen channels(!)...but there are few cinemas that can do the same, which sucks for us, the audiences...that's the main reason I outfitted my HT, to reproduce more faithfully what you guys hear...

Wow, flat to the teens, at 115dB at your seat?? That is some POWER....I imagine these are all sealed subs with the BagEnd ELF circuitry...

...but I have a few questions...

Why are your surrounds 3dB down, but not 3dB down on the bluray disc, shouldn't the bluray have the same info theaters get? Is this just a formatting discrepancy?

What do you mean by a 15" room not reproducing an 80Hz tone? Do you mean the 15 inch drivers lots of people use for subs, or the 15 foot dimension of the room? My guess is the room....and yes, small rooms totally blow for low end response, but using multiple subwoofers to cancel room modes helps tremendously, and small rooms get cabin gain for free...but nothing beats having a large space with large speakers...

JSS

A couple of things... we SPL cal the Sub for 89-90db, so max SPL is ~110, not 115..

83db for each of the surround channels comes from, I imagine, changing from mono surrounds when we were mixing in LCRS into discrete 5.1 in the early 90's..... I don't know the history, but that is the Dolby Standard, which is different form the recommended practice for HT.... but it's not apples to apples anyways, since we use an array of speakers, and most home theaters are set up with point source, single speaker surrounds... I also imagine that the music guys had something to do with the ITU standard, but I'm no expert on the why's or how's that occurred when they came up with that spec.

Yes, we use a bag end ELF system (which is a pain in the rear because of their gain structure.. but that's another story...) RAMSA 350W/8ohm amps per 18" sub.

Here's a picture of our Stage 1 in Hollywood... it's hard to see in this picture, put under the screen, you will see little white squares along the bottom wall near the floor... each one of those is an 18" Bag End sub.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll128/FilmMIxer/Stage1Hollywood.jpg

In regards to the surround levels, the exact same information exists on the BR if it isn't remastered for a near field environment... so it's the same information, just playing back at a different reference SPL.. sometimes I will lower it for the home theater mix, but it usually sits in the track just right, and because it is now more point source, instead of arrayed, the translation is usually fairly close in regards to intent, which in the end is our goal..

Regarding my 15" comment.. yes it was supposed to be 15'... ~<15 feet is the wavelength of a 80Hz sine way...

^ Ummmm.....wow.:cool:

FilmMixer, you have a DREAM job...

I just watched ROTF. I like this movie. The soundtrack, though the LFE is largely above 20Hz, overall is superb, IMHO. The surround effects and the crafting of the effects is unique to the Transformers franchise and the visual effects are as good as it gets.

I ran spectrograph while I watched and printed the results from some of the LFE-heavy scenes. I use a reference ACOPacific mic, mic preamp and mic power supply, through an Edirol UA1000 interface, flat to 2Hz, with a subwoofer system that's flat in-room to 4Hz. These graphs were made with a microphone at the LP. The 1st posted pic has the color scale on it for reference. The system is not yet tweaked flat, but is +/-5dB from 4-250Hz, so, as there will be some deviations from the digital graph, it's pretty close:

Anything pink to whitish pink was at -5dBFS = LOUD.

First, the opening Dreamworks & Paramount logos:
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/Bosobass/transformersbeginninglogo.jpg

Next, the Transformer logo:
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/Bosobass/transformerslogos.jpg

Next, opening scene where the big Decepticon stomps the ancients:
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/Bosobass/transformersopeningscene.jpg

Next, the Big Wheel Decepticon transforms:
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/Bosobass/ROTFbigwheeltransforms.jpg

More Big Wheels:
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/Bosobass/ROTFmorebigwheel.jpg

Decepticons land on and sink the aircraft carrier:
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/Bosobass/ROTFdecepticonssinkcarrier.jpg

The Mac Daddy Decepticon assembles:
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/Bosobass/ROTFmacdaddyassembles.jpg

The Rail Gun wastes Mac Daddy on top of the pyramid:
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/Bosobass/ROTFrailguntakesoutmacdaddy.jpg

Optimus gets revived, the big dude materializes and skewers him (this effect was the most fun on my system, with a great mix of low stuff and higher stuff):
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/Bosobass/ROTFPrimerevivedkilledagain.jpg

That's it for now. I'll definitely be watching this one again... and again, and again. :D:cool:

I forgot to capture the battle in the forest where Optimus is killed. I'll probably post those when I get them made.

Bosso

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/Bosobass/ROTFbigwheeltransforms.jpg

This scene to me (where the decepticon comes together in the first 5mins and stomps the ground) had the most powerful LFE in the movie. Looks super hot around 35-40hz.


I also see in your plots there is some 10-20hz material that is overlapped with the 20-40hz material....it would be interesting to rewatch in 15hz mode to see if I pick that up more since I watched it in 20hz mode.

Lastly...THANKS for doing this! Can't wait to see when Prime falls to the ground with that sweeping bass note!

How about the scene where Optimus and Bumblebee bust in and save Sam from Megatron, then Optimus does the side/back flip in slo-mo?

^ ummmm.....wow.:cool:

+1 The acoustics must be just phenomenal in there...

Thank you, Bosso! :)

FilmMixer,

Wow, very impressive....thanks again for answering all of my questions...a few more and I swear I'll stop...

So you guys cal your sub to a lower level than we are supposed to for HT? I would have never figured...

When you say 89-90dB, that's with a -20dBFS signal?, right? And it's not boosted again more by any more processing (like the LFE channel in HT recievers, that boosts 10dB)? That would definitely explain why LFE levels in HTs are decidedly higher than in cinema, as we cal our subs at 85dB with a -30dBFS signal, and mains and surrounds to 75dB with the same signal, whereas your subs run only a few dB hotter...

The gain structure the BagEnd INFRA integrator uses must be great and terrible for you guys...since it attenuates strong very low freq content to avoid overexcursion of the subwoofer driver...which menas that at very high levels, your response may no longer be flat to teens, due to driver excursion limitations...(the upside is response remains distortion-free at high levels) how do you account for that change in the freq response? More importantly, how do you avoid throwing in lots of low freq content that may be getting attenuated by the INFRA?

One last question: Reference levels in cinemas are damned loud, and I was wondering how someone could put up with levels like that over 8 hours a day without suffering permanent hearing damage...what steps do you guys take to prevent this? Because my ears ring if I watch more than 1 film in a row at 10 dB BELOW reference....


Thanks again,

JSS

Hey bosso,

Have you gotten a waterfall of when Sam is blasted by Megs (as he is being 'killed')? That seemed to contain some sub-20Hz content....

Even though this film doesn't have the sub-20Hz bass that this thread thrives on, it is so well done....I am very impressed, it is now #1 on the list for demo material...both visually and sonically...

Sooner or later I'll have to hook up the laprtop and SpecLab to the SW out on the receiver to see how low stuff was encoded at certain parts...

JSS

FilmMixer,

Wow, very impressive....thanks again for answering all of my questions...a few more and I swear I'll stop...

So you guys cal your sub to a lower level than we are supposed to for HT? I would have never figured...

When you say 89-90dB, that's with a -20dBFS signal?, right? And it's not boosted again more by any more processing (like the LFE channel in HT recievers, that boosts 10dB)? That would definitely explain why LFE levels in HTs are decidedly higher than in cinema, as we cal our subs at 85dB with a -30dBFS signal, and mains and surrounds to 75dB with the same signal, whereas your subs run only a few dB hotter...

The gain structure the BagEnd INFRA integrator uses must be great and terrible for you guys...since it attenuates strong very low freq content to avoid overexcursion of the subwoofer driver...which menas that at very high levels, your response may no longer be flat to teens, due to driver excursion limitations...(the upside is response remains distortion-free at high levels) how do you account for that change in the freq response? More importantly, how do you avoid throwing in lots of low freq content that may be getting attenuated by the INFRA?

One last question: Reference levels in cinemas are damned loud, and I was wondering how someone could put up with levels like that over 8 hours a day without suffering permanent hearing damage...what steps do you guys take to prevent this? Because my ears ring if I watch more than 1 film in a row at 10 dB BELOW reference....


Thanks again,

JSS

JSS.. I'm not an expert on the integrator.. I will ask those who are about the "scale of flatness..." It will also be effected by the Fletcher Munon curve (although bass in the lower registers are more felt and not "heard")... however, with the in-band gain structure, and the nature of having multiple subs (in our stage 16) I think we help in not over taxing the cones... I'll get some more info for you.... I can tell you that it took our resident tuning expert from Dolby a lot of time and effort to get it where it is today...

It should also be noted that even with the same tuning techniques and equipment, most of our rooms sound different in the LFE department, as do most cinemas..... close, but never identical.... :)

In regards to mixing at "reference" levels, each mixer handles it differently.. some wear plugs on louder films.... I take breaks, and will sit in the back corner of the room while the FX guys go to town... also, it comes down to managing high end content (Greg Russell, who mixed TF2, has become a master at that.)

It also helps that all of our stages are flat and utilize the x-curve, which really helps since your high end is most at risk. And we are relatively distortion free, with plenty of power on reserve, so the "quality" of the sound is usually pristine.

I just watched ROTF. I like this movie. The soundtrack, though the LFE is largely above 20Hz, overall is superb, IMHO. The surround effects and the crafting of the effects is unique to the Transformers franchise and the visual effects are as good as it gets.

I ran spectrograph while I watched and printed the results from some of the LFE-heavy scenes. I use a reference ACOPacific mic, mic preamp and mic power supply, through an Edirol UA1000 interface, flat to 2Hz, with a subwoofer system that's flat in-room to 4Hz. These graphs were made with a microphone at the LP. The 1st posted pic has the color scale on it for reference. The system is not yet tweaked flat, but is +/-5dB from 4-250Hz, so, as there will be some deviations from the digital graph, it's pretty close:

Anything pink to whitish pink was at -5dBFS = LOUD.

First, the opening Dreamworks & Paramount logos:
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/Bosobass/transformersbeginninglogo.jpg

Bosso

The opening logos are WAY cool!!! Shakes my house. I figured it was around 16 Hz.

A couple of things... we SPL cal the Sub for 89-90db, so max SPL is ~110, not 115..





What method is used to measure that LFE subwoofer calibration?

Band limited pink noise?

SPL meter? RTA? Other?

The opening logos are WAY cool!!! Shakes my house. I figured it was around 16 Hz.



33 Hz is more likely the frequency. Look at the difference in levels between 16 Hz and 33 Hz!

Bosso and Bgillyjcu,

What method do you use to save your waterfalls?

33 Hz is more likely the frequency. Look at the difference in levels between 16 Hz and 33 Hz!

Nah, it's the subsonic part there...33Hz dosen't shake very much (more feel and less hear). And I think you should be asking bossobass about the waterfalls.

What method is used to measure that LFE subwoofer calibration?

Band limited pink noise?

SPL meter? RTA? Other?

When doing a room tuning, a set of 4 capsule matched mic's, along with an RTA, etc... our rooms are tuned by Dolby Film Mastering Engineers (which BTW has nothing to do with their products or codecs, but for the fact that they tune almost all the stages in town and add a great deal of consistency to the process, as each engineer has their own "kit" with matched mics, etc...), with tweaks and listening tests "requested" by us mixers. We are mostly using the DBX Drive Racks for EQ and time alignment.

As far as daily SPL check (we check SPL every morning) we use console pink noise at 0Vu/-20dbFs, full range which is then rolled off by the crossovers... it is measure with an analog Radio Shack meter (which is calibrated every 6-8 weeks...)

Bosso is the man to ask. I copy and pasted his single waterfall to add my point to it specifically. I don't have a blu ray drive on my computer to do those waterfalls.

Thanks again to Bosso!

I think the 33hz tone is indeed the tone that we are feeling...remember that is only 13hz away from subsonic. I'm sure the 16hz plays a little part but 90% of that looks to be 33hz.

(Remember Bosso used a mic from the LP "These graphs were made with a microphone at the LP."...not the standard from the disc rip. The waterfall from disc might tell a different story...who knows.)

Some of those bosso's charts are incorrectly named, dreamworks, paramount logos chart is actually transformers logo chart and vice versa and more big wheel is sideswipe scene. Pretty good wall rattling lows somewhere when dreamworks logo starts to go black and paramount stars appears.:cool:

THere's definitely something subsonic rattling my walls. I'm fairly certain it's close to 16-18 Hz as I have a bass heavy song that does 16 Hz and it rattles the wall in exactly the same manner.

FilmMixer,

Found the BagEnd data on the integrator and max spl...

The max spl for each 18" sub:

http://www.bagend.com/bagend/downloads/isub18max.pdf

The integrator keeps the ultra LF material from pushing the driver into overexcursion by limiting the power the driver sees at low freq....

Looks like in the teens freq wise you are limited to about 100dB peaks at 1m; with 16 of those bad boys, that gives 124dB, wall-loading gives you ~130dB, and you are about 30 feet away or so (from the pic), so that translates into about 110 dB at the board (funny, exactly what you need, like someone planned it :)...looks like you do have flat response for the subs at full bore, but not the mains, unless they are crossed by the DBX to the subs at a certain point...

The mains may be flat at -20dBFS, but increase the power to them, and the integrator will rob spl at the lowest freqs, to keep distortion down...

I have learned a lot, thanks for answering my questions...

JSS

Almost forgot to post this... if anyone reading this thread is local to Hollywood, I am hosting an AVS meet at Todd AO Hollywood this Sunday at 10am... if you are interested, please PM me. :)

..looks like you do have flat response for the subs at full bore, but not the mains, unless they are crossed by the DBX to the subs at a certain point...

The mains may be flat at -20dBFS, but increase the power to them, and the integrator will rob spl at the lowest freqs, to keep distortion down...

I have learned a lot, thanks for answering my questions...

JSS

JSS.. the mains each have quad 15"'d and two Bag Ends per cabinet.. those Bag Ends aren't designed to give max / flat SPL down into the teens... they are there to let us hear things that shouldn't be there, and deal with it appropriately.

Can someone help me with this? Trying to get the spec lab looking like everyone else's but it just looks weird. I tried putting in apparently someone's pre-saved settings, but I think it was for an old version and does nothing when I load up.

When doing a room tuning, a set of 4 capsule matched mic's, along with an RTA, etc... our rooms are tuned by Dolby Film Mastering Engineers (which BTW has nothing to do with their products or codecs, but for the fact that they tune almost all the stages in town and add a great deal of consistency to the process, as each engineer has their own "kit" with matched mics, etc...), with tweaks and listening tests "requested" by us mixers. We are mostly using the DBX Drive Racks for EQ and time alignment.




The speaker calibration procedure looks to be indentical to the speaker calibration procedue descibed in the link below. Two procedures were described. One procedure for use when no bass mangement being used, and one procedure is used when bass management being used.

Obviously, the precedure used in your case is for no bass management being used. I understand the theory behind both procedures.


Quote from link below:

"The recommended subwoofer calibration procedure when no bass management
is being used is as follows:

1. Turn off all five main speakers.

2. Route band-limited pink noise (low-pass filtered at 80 - 120Hz) at 0 vu
via the LFE channel bus to the subwoofer and raise its amplifier level until
the RTA or SPL meter reads +4 dB over the selected reference level (i.e.
89dB if the selected reference level for the main speakers is 85dB).

3. Turn on the front left and right speakers.

4. Route full frequency pink noise at 0 vu to the front left and right
speakers as well as to the sub. Adjust the subwoofer amplifier so that the
gain boost when adding the subs to the mix does not exceed 4 - 6db, as
measured by the RTA or SPL meter."




For the AVSers who want to learn more about bass managed system calibration, read section 3:10 in the link below on speaker calibration.


http://www.grammy.com/PDFs/Recording_Academy/Producers_And_Engineers/5_1_Rec.pdf






As far as daily SPL check (we check SPL every morning) we use console pink noise at 0Vu/-20dbFs, full range which is then rolled off by the crossovers... it is measure with an analog Radio Shack meter (which is calibrated every 6-8 weeks...)


Now that is where the confusion comes in. The analog SPL meter reads average, not peaks. I am not positive what 4 dB "hot" for the LFE channel means when it comes to peak SPL. I have not checked this direct out of the subwoofer for a few reasons, but here is an old pink noise test that I used to check out my digital SPL meter's readout.

The average full band pink noise level is about 53 dB SPL, and the peak is near 64.5 dB SPL. It is full band pink noise, but the crest factor for full band pink noise is over 11 dB. The MAX button on my SPL meter measures peak dB SPL. The standard digital SPL metersetting conforms to the analog average SPL setting.

I suppose I should do this test with band limited pink noise to get an accurate crest factor.


http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm232/Red_Foreman/SPL_Pink_Noise.jpg

Man I am pumped,
I have ROTF, land of the lost, and drag me to hell at home, and my new Onkyo sr607 is coming today!! Going to get it all setup and enjoy some serious LFE!!!
my 18's should be getting a good workout.

Bosso is the man to ask. I copy and pasted his single waterfall to add my point to it specifically. I don't have a blu ray drive on my computer to do those waterfalls.




Whoops, I did not notice that you copied Booso's waterfall. My bad.

I run a cable from my receiver's LFE output to the PC audio input, so what player is used on my PC does not matter for my own waterfalls.






I think the 33hz tone is indeed the tone that we are feeling...remember that is only 13hz away from subsonic. I'm sure the 16hz plays a little part but 90% of that looks to be 33hz.

(Remember Bosso used a mic from the LP "These graphs were made with a microphone at the LP."...not the standard from the disc rip. The waterfall from disc might tell a different story...who knows.)


I agree on the 33 Hz dominance in that scene. I also realize what Bosso is measuring - FR in room via a microphone. Too bad it is so expensive to buy a quality microphone like the unit that Bosso uses.

Some of those bosso's charts are incorrectly named, dreamworks, paramount logos chart is actually transformers logo chart and vice versa and more big wheel is sideswipe scene. Pretty good wall rattling lows somewhere when dreamworks logo starts to go black and paramount stars appears.:cool:

I believe you're right about the labels on the first 2 graphs. Sorry about that. I was tying fast to keep up with the movie. :o

Bosso

I made some waterfalls of the big screen version vs the small screen version, and when the 4dB dialnorm attenuation is taken into account, they are identical....

Here is the opening paramount scene for each....and on other scenes, same thing...

JSS

I made some waterfalls of the big screen version vs the small screen version, and when the 4dB dialnorm attenuation is taken into account, they are identical....

Here is the opening paramount scene for each....and on other scenes, same thing...

JSS

Very nice!

That note is very close to the 20hz mark too...no wonder so much shaking of my house!

I made some waterfalls of the big screen version vs the small screen version, and when the 4dB dialnorm attenuation is taken into account, they are identical....

Here is the opening paramount scene for each....and on other scenes, same thing...

JSS

Thanks for that! I knew it was not a 33 Hz frequency causing the shaking....

I made some waterfalls of the big screen version vs the small screen version, and when the 4dB dialnorm attenuation is taken into account, they are identical....

Here is the opening paramount scene for each....and on other scenes, same thing...

JSS

Thanks! Can you try some more scenes?

I believe you're right about the labels on the first 2 graphs. Sorry about that. I was tying fast to keep up with the movie. :o

Bosso

No worries, that can happen.:) Btw, have you watched the hurt locker with you'r raven, i think it will love it.:D

I searched but couldn't find it anywhere. Has anyone posted any waterfalls for Hurt Locker?

dbldare

I searched but couldn't find it anywhere. Has anyone posted any waterfalls for Hurt Locker?

dbldare

check first page.

lfe man... thanks for the heads up, I'l def check it out. :cool:

Just for fun: I had to squeeze the graph so that the graph scales are equal, and, of course, the color scales are very different, but you can clearly see that the digital graph is very close to the mic'd sub graph.

My current system isn't calibrated dead flat, as I mentioned in my graphs post, so there are some frequencies that vary accordingly, +/- as the in-room FR goes.

maxmercy's graph vs Bosso's graph of the paramount logo scene:

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr55/Bosobass/comparingspectrographs.jpg

Bosso

check first page.

Feel like an idiot......

Oops Sorry! I used CTRL-F to find the name, but only found the first instance.

Thanks,
dbldare

Watched ROTF...excellent...felt like I was on an amusement ride....wasn't all that bad of a movie, I was entertained, or maybe it was the sound that kept me entertained...excellent special affects.

Watched also Blood The Last Vampire...outstanding mid bass dynamics and probably some low stuff also...IMO, a must hear...movie wasn't bad either, that girl is insane with that sword...visually, kinda like 300.

Mike,

Like which scenes? I went through the movie in bits and pieces, just sampling here and there...and only saved the intro bits...


JSS

Can one of you guys post a waterfall when sidewinder flips over the audi rs8 in the beginning?

Here it is...this movie is FULL of high to low sweeps like this...this one goes pretty damned low, too...

Also attached is the loudest part of the movie, when the wheelbot first transforms and slams his fists down into the ground...

JSS

Can one of you guys post a waterfall when sidewinder flips over the audi rs8 in the beginning?

The total volume level isn't correct but the relative levels are.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8311/trans2flip.png (http://img148.imageshack.us/i/trans2flip.png/)

:eek::eek::eek:

Bori, you may want to check your sub. :D
Yes Bori,
I am Marti D. Humphrey CAS the Re-Recording Mixer on
"Drag Me To Hell". I can tell you that the Film has PLENTY of
LFE on it !
I don't know what subs you have but "DMTH" is a well
balanced mix with plenty of use of the Surrounds And
the LFE! I'm sorry it didn't move you with the bass.
Oh well....
For those of you who enjoyed the mix, thanks.

Yes Bori,
I am Marti D. Humphrey CAS the Re-Recording Mixer on
"Drag Me To Hell". I can tell you that the Film has PLENTY of
LFE on it !
I don't know what subs you have but "DMTH" is a well
balanced mix with plenty of use of the Surrounds And
the LFE! I'm sorry it didn't move you with the bass.
Oh well....
For those of you who enjoyed the mix, thanks.

Can anyone understand what I am trying to say? I never said it did not have any bass. The bass was just not as loud as I thought it would be. For example the haunting has very strong bass. By the way like I posted earlier. I have a Epik Conquest in a 2000 sq ft room and it's flat to 13hz. If you search this thread I am not the only onethat was not impressed with the bass. The audio track was very good but this thread is for bass not for overall audio.

Can anyone understand what I am trying to say? I never said it did not have any bass. The bass was just not as loud as I thought it would be. For example the haunting has very strong bass. By the way like I posted earlier. I have a Epik Conquest in a 2000 sq ft room and it's flat to 13hz. If you search this thread I am not the only onethat was not impressed with the bass. The audio track was very good but this thread is for bass not for overall audio.
Bori,
Thank you for your response. Now that I know you have a 2000 sq ft room
then at least I know that the bass should sound correct.
Sorry that you're not impressed. I have never been one to "Mix" to satify "specs", I mix to satisfy my clients and myself.
On the next Feature Film that requires a large LFE track I will give you something that will excite you and your Epik Conquest's!
Take care,
Marti D. Humphrey CAS
www.thedubstage.com

Bori,
Thank you for your response. Now that I know you have a 2000 sq ft room
then at least I know that the bass should sound correct.
Sorry that you're not impressed. I have never been one to "Mix" to satify "specs", I mix to satisfy my clients and myself.
On the next Feature Film that requires a large LFE track I will give you something that will excite you and your Epik Conquest's!
Take care,
Marti D. Humphrey CAS
www.thedubstage.com

The track overall was very impressive just expected a little more in the bass department. Thank u for u r response and continue the great work because DMTH had a very enveloping audio track on blu ray.

just watched revenge of the fallen and was blown away! absolutely amazing.

the paramount intro and opening scene are incredible. i thought my house was going to fall apart. i am a running a svs pb12plus in 20hz mode.

i didn't notice any distortion from the sub but definitely from my surrounds when Optimus says something like "we have met before" and then there is a ton of surround info.

anybody else notice that? my system is calibrated (harman kardon avr 7550HD) and i was at -15. never noticed this distortion before but this time it sounded like my surrounds were going to blow out!