Could someone please post 2012 waterfalls? Some of us on another thread would like to see if a high pass filter was applied to this BD.

I think 2012 is just a victim of crappy sound design. It doesn't even have good bass in the 30-50hz region.

I watched Ninja Assassin this morning. I actually liked the movie (of course as long as a movie holds my attention, I say I like it).

It had huge amounts of thunderous bass. My Ultras haven't had a workout like that in months.

I attempted to watch 2012 tonight with my wife. We had to turn it off for its cheesiness alone. There was better stuff on to watch.

And the LFE was a big disappointment as well.

I watched Ninja Assassin this morning. I actually liked the movie (of course as long as a movie holds my attention, I say I like it).

It had huge amounts of thunderous bass. My Ultras haven't had a workout like that in months.

I agree. This movie has some nice deep bass.

I watched Ninja Assassin this morning. I actually liked the movie (of course as long as a movie holds my attention, I say I like it).

It had huge amounts of thunderous bass. My Ultras haven't had a workout like that in months.

Yeah. We need some good new LFE releases.... IMO the last good one was 9..:mad::D

Yeah. We need some good new LFE releases.... IMO the last good one was 9..:mad::D

I thought Gamer was a VERY good one as well, but besides that I would agree with 9. Ninja Assassin was good, but not as good as Gamer much less 9.

To me Hurt Locker is a LFE demo worthy movie. The very beginning before any action even starts has deep low bass. That first explosion could have had a little more sub-sonic bass; however, still a very LFE respectable movie.

To me Hurt Locker is a LFE demo worthy movie. The very beginning before any action even starts has deep low bass. That first explosion could have had a little more sub-sonic bass; however, still a very LFE respectable movie.

Do we have a graph of that first explosion? I almost **** myself with that one!:eek:

Do we have a graph of that first explosion? I almost **** myself with that one!:eek:

I can't pull up any graphs for The Hurt Locker ATM. But yea, I'd like to see a plot of the 1st explosion as well :)

In Hurt Locker, lets not forget the .50 cal machine gun in the desert scene. :D Probably not really deep, but it hits me in the chest repeatedly. HSU VTF2.3 nearfield in Max extension.

Here's my Hurtlocker waterfalls posted a few months back. The 50cal is actually very deep with a fundamental at 7-8hz and strong harmonics at 14-16 and 21-24.




Beginning explosion
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/HurtLockerbeginningexplosion.jpg


2nd half of beginning explosion
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/HurtLockerbeginningexplosion2.jpg


Gun shot at the car bomb
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/HurtLockergunshotcarbomb.jpg


"Fire in the hole!"
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/HurtLockerfireinthehole.jpg


50cal during desert battle
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/HurtLockerdesert50cal.jpg


50cal during desert battle 2
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/HurtLockerdesert50cal2.jpg


"He's down"
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/HurtLockerdesert50calhesdown.jpg


Cambridge explosion
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/HurtLockerexplosioncambridge.jpg


Eldridge is shot
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/HurtLockereldridgegunshots.jpg


Helicopter take-off
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/HurtLockerhelitakeoff.jpg


Martyr explosion
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/HurtLockermartyrexplosion.jpg

Thanks for those posts "Ricci" the .50 Cal scenes are just awsome,second best to 9ès "professor scene" acc to me ; )


Brgds Nick

Thanks for the Hurtlocker graphs:)

I just thought I'd add my 2 cents on Legion Blu-ray. Regardless of what you may think of the movie itself, the DTS HD MA soundtrack was excellent. Great use of surrounds and tremendous LFE. There were several scenes that are demo material. It would have been nice if AVATAR had this degree of LFE.

Watched gi joe bluray tonight, I would give it a solid 3... No particular scene stands out, nor did it seem to ever go really low, but a majority of the stuff had some nice kick when it felt like it should.

Now the movie, well.. my 8 yr old enjoyed it. lol. It was okay, worthy rental (redbox).

I just thought I'd add my 2 cents on Legion Blu-ray. Regardless of what you may think of the movie itself, the DTS HD MA soundtrack was excellent. Great use of surrounds and tremendous LFE. There were several scenes that are demo material. It would have been nice if AVATAR had this degree of LFE.

I'll add another 2 cents for a total of 4. The DVD wasn't half bad either. Not a lot of super low stuff that I could detect, but it was fun. Not sure I'd give it five stars, but it gave the horn a good workout.

I watched Legion the other night and it had a few "good" moments, but nothing really worth mentioning or special IMO from a LFE perspective. 3/5 for me. The overall sound was very good though I agree. The standout in Legion as far as sound goes was the surrounds IMO. It definitely is not one you would pull out for a LFE demo though in light of the competition.

Yes legion had some good bass. Blu Ray version

Hi,
where could I find some Transformers 2 waterfalls?
I'm interested in opening Dreamworks & Paramount logos... There is a very good sweep ;)

In the post #3707 there was a lot of T2 waterfall, but now i couldn't see anything :(

Have a good day and thanks a lot

Hi,
where could I find some Transformers 2 waterfalls?
I'm interested in opening Dreamworks & Paramount logos... There is a very good sweep ;)

In the post #3707 there was a lot of T2 waterfall, but now i couldn't see anything :(

Have a good day and thanks a lot

The poster of the waterfalls probably took the images off of their Photobucket (or whatever they were using), so AVS can't find the images now.

dbl

Legion was great in sound, another good is smokin aces 2. Good bass in both, though legion digs deeper in places.

Watched gi joe bluray tonight, I would give it a solid 3... No particular scene stands out, nor did it seem to ever go really low, but a majority of the stuff had some nice kick when it felt like it should.

Now the movie, well.. my 8 yr old enjoyed it. lol. It was okay, worthy rental (redbox).

I think there was deep bass.:D
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17589248&postcount=3893

Watched Sherlock Holmes on Blu-ray this weekend.

And I'm going to rate the DTS HD MA soundtrack right with the upper echelon bass movies like Cloverfield, Flight of the Phoenix (Sandstorm sequence), Titan A.E., T2 Salvation, 9, and The Haunting.

This movie had thunderous LFE that was never muddy. The surrounds got a thorough workout as just the London street scenes were incredibly immersive. All of the fight scenes, especially the shipyard scene was incredible in the LFE dept. This movie was a ground pounder on my system. And my HT is entry level compared to most on here. This movie was a sleeper. I had read reviews about it having some great bass scenes, but this movie rocked in LFE. I played it -7 below reference and it was a sonic delight. I never thought I'd find a movie that I personally would put in the same category as Cloverfield BD, but this one deserves a spot on my top 5.

Only if AVATAR would have this kind of authoritative LFE, it would have been the epitome of HD movie soundtracks. Because the surround detail in AVATAR was amazing, but the LFE was marginal at best.

And I'd like to know how they made that wicked sound effect where Holmes was firing his pistol off stage in the next room and it made my Polk surrounds sound like subwoofers. I rewound that scene a couple of times as that was very unique. Somehow the sound mixer made it sound like my subwoofer was behind the couch in that scene, which it's not.

And I'd like to know how they made that wicked sound effect where Holmes was firing his pistol off stage in the next room and it made my Polk surrounds sound like subwoofers. I rewound that scene a couple of times as that was very unique. Somehow the sound mixer made it sound like my subwoofer was behind the couch in that scene, which it's not.

I jumped in this scene. Wasn't expecting that at all either.

And I fully agree, GREAT soundtrack all around, great LFE, and great movie. My 8 year old couldn't finish watching it though, too dark and spooky for him.

Hi guys not sure if this movie was talked about but the movie Knowing is insane bass effect. the plane scene, subway sceane but the last scene the super solar flare OMG wow. I have the sub25 those scences shook my condo made my door ratle and glassware

Watched Sherlock Holmes on Blu-ray this weekend.

And I'm going to rate the DTS HD MA soundtrack right with the upper echelon bass movies like Cloverfield, Flight of the Phoenix (Sandstorm sequence), Titan A.E., T2 Salvation, 9, and The Haunting.

This movie had thunderous LFE that was never muddy. The surrounds got a thorough workout as just the London street scenes were incredibly immersive. All of the fight scenes, especially the shipyard scene was incredible in the LFE dept. This movie was a ground pounder on my system. And my HT is entry level compared to most on here. This movie was a sleeper. I had read reviews about it having some great bass scenes, but this movie rocked in LFE. I played it -7 below reference and it was a sonic delight. I never thought I'd find a movie that I personally would put in the same category as Cloverfield BD, but this one deserves a spot on my top 5.

Only if AVATAR would have this kind of authoritative LFE, it would have been the epitome of HD movie soundtracks. Because the surround detail in AVATAR was amazing, but the LFE was marginal at best.

And I'd like to know how they made that wicked sound effect where Holmes was firing his pistol off stage in the next room and it made my Polk surrounds sound like subwoofers. I rewound that scene a couple of times as that was very unique. Somehow the sound mixer made it sound like my subwoofer was behind the couch in that scene, which it's not.


I agree that SH was a GREAT track, but in the same league as Cloverfield, TIH, Terminator Salvation, etc.........as far as bass (atleast output/power wise)? Not even close IMO, but I respect your opinion. Those other films are in another league as far as LFE on my system.

I agree with you on Avatar.

Watched Sherlock Holmes on Blu-ray this weekend.

And I'm going to rate the DTS HD MA soundtrack right with the upper echelon bass movies like Cloverfield, Flight of the Phoenix (Sandstorm sequence), Titan A.E., T2 Salvation, 9, and The Haunting.

This movie had thunderous LFE that was never muddy. The surrounds got a thorough workout as just the London street scenes were incredibly immersive. All of the fight scenes, especially the shipyard scene was incredible in the LFE dept. This movie was a ground pounder on my system. And my HT is entry level compared to most on here. This movie was a sleeper. I had read reviews about it having some great bass scenes, but this movie rocked in LFE. I played it -7 below reference and it was a sonic delight. I never thought I'd find a movie that I personally would put in the same category as Cloverfield BD, but this one deserves a spot on my top 5.

Only if AVATAR would have this kind of authoritative LFE, it would have been the epitome of HD movie soundtracks. Because the surround detail in AVATAR was amazing, but the LFE was marginal at best.

And I'd like to know how they made that wicked sound effect where Holmes was firing his pistol off stage in the next room and it made my Polk surrounds sound like subwoofers. I rewound that scene a couple of times as that was very unique. Somehow the sound mixer made it sound like my subwoofer was behind the couch in that scene, which it's not.

Then make sure KNOWING is one of them as well and surprise is Dracula 2000

I know that 2012 has been criticized for sub par bass, but I had a different experience. I found the movie's bass provided a great foundation for the satellites on many scenes, and in other scenes the bass was making the room rumble to life. I felt the bass in many scenes and this was one of the more imprssive blu rays I have watched in terms of sound design. I felt that the bass totally melted into the room, and you could not tell it was being produced by the two black boxes in the front of my room (my subs). There wasn't lots of big booms and room pressurizing explosions....but the viseralness that the LFE gave to this movie experince seemed very satisfying and natural. Just my 2 cents.

Just curious, do you run your LFE fairly hot?

I know that 2012 has been criticized for sub par bass, but I had a different experience. I found the movie's bass provided a great foundation for the satellites on many scenes, and in other scenes the bass was making the room rumble to life. I felt the bass in many scenes and this was one of the more imprssive blu rays I have watched in terms of sound design. I felt that the bass totally melted into the room, and you could not tell it was being produced by the two black boxes in the front of my room (my subs). There wasn't lots of big booms and room pressurizing explosions....but the viseralness that the LFE gave to this movie experince seemed very satisfying and natural. Just my 2 cents.

I agree. No real deep bass aside from the intro but it defenatly had some punch to it. I don't run my sub hot but I just don't need pressurizing bass all the time. I agree there were a few missed spots for a bit more weight though (Yellowstone scene).

Just curious, do you run your LFE fairly hot?

newbie question what do you mean by running your LFE hot?

newbie question what do you mean by running your LFE hot?

Reference is 75dbs or 80dbs depending on what you set your mains and surrounds to. Now if you set you sub a couple dbs above reference that is considered the sub hot.

Thank you

I agree. No real deep bass aside from the intro but it defenatly had some punch to it. I don't run my sub hot but I just don't need pressurizing bass all the time. I agree there were a few missed spots for a bit more weight though (Yellowstone scene).

Watch Knowing bass is is crazy

Watch Knowing bass is is crazy

I recently watched that, don't remember being impressed at all by the low-end. It wasn't lacking majorly, but it certainly wasn't a reference LFE track.

Then again I'm having LFE-response issues with my room, so could be that.

Watch Knowing bass is is crazy

Sorry, was not too impressed. One or two scenes had appropriate bass.

Just curious, do you run your LFE fairly hot?

Not at all. Just dynamic EQ.

Finally got a chance to watch 9.

Damn, crazy bass. Thought my house was going to explode!

Finally got a chance to watch 9.

Damn, crazy bass. Thought my house was going to explode!

No doubt - that was intense and totally wide-ranging in effects... :)

So I blew the dust off this one and watched it with my kids last night. Wow, it's loaded with LFE! I hadn't watched it in a while and had forgotten. Right from the beginnig there's a good explosion and good action throughout.

If you haven't seen it, it's a good animated Disney movie and it won't disappoint.

Watch Knowing bass is is crazy

I have to agree....The few scenes with bass was pretty good. Not sure how low it was going but I thought it was very good.

lovely bones had some suprisingly very deep bass in a few short scenes...wasn't expecting to hear any when I put the bluray in...

GAMER; DTS-HD-MASTER AUDIO !!!

http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae206/pointonetech/Gamer200-226.jpg
http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae206/pointonetech/Gamer21-22.jpg
http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae206/pointonetech/Gamer2100.jpg
http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae206/pointonetech/Gamer2220-2245.jpg
http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae206/pointonetech/Gamer226-302.jpg
http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae206/pointonetech/Gamer3700.jpg
http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae206/pointonetech/Gamer400.jpg
http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae206/pointonetech/Gamer45.jpg
http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae206/pointonetech/Gamer4500.jpg
http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae206/pointonetech/Gamer49.jpg

These were graphed via mic at the LP. I DID NOT have the MVL at '00'. This movie has tons of <20Hz effects in every game scene.

Bosso

Oh yeah, almost forgot I had that one. Some serious bass in this one. Good pick, Bosso.

Have you watched Cloverfield yet? Not the easiest or most enjoyable action flick for everyone it does have some killer WotW-type crazy bass. IIRC, it had gobs of single digit stuff.

I just finished watching B13 Ultimatum blu ray. It has tons of hitman type bass.

Percy Jackson & the Olympians: The Lightning Thief had some good bass. http://static.yuku.com/domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/pimp.gif

Oh yeah, almost forgot I had that one. Some serious bass in this one. Good pick, Bosso.

Have you watched Cloverfield yet? Not the easiest or most enjoyable action flick for everyone it does have some killer WotW-type crazy bass. IIRC, it had gobs of single digit stuff.The bridge scene in the beginning had me changing underwear. I wasn't expecting the slam that followed when the monster's tail hit (or whatever happened).

Cool to see those Gamer graphs. I still think this is my favorite track of 2010 so far, atleast as far as bass (maybe overall).

Just wondering if anyone can recommend some good concert Blu Rays? I have the Jeff Beck Live at Ronnie Scotts coming from NetFlix tomorrow, but would like to see a few more in the "heavier" rock category..

The bridge scene in the beginning had me changing underwear. I wasn't expecting the slam that followed when the monster's tail hit (or whatever happened).

Lol, yeah the bridge sequence is my favorite.

Just wondering if anyone can recommend some good concert Blu Rays? I have the Jeff Beck Live at Ronnie Scotts coming from NetFlix tomorrow, but would like to see a few more in the "heavier" rock category..

The ones I've enjoyed so far:

AC/DC: Live at Donington
(FRANCE) Metallica: Français pour une nuit
Nine Inch Nails: Beside You in Time
Queen Rock Montreal
Rush: R30
Rush: Snakes and Arrows Live
(GERMANY) Within Temptation: Black Symphony

There's another Metallica Blu-Ray from Mexico, but it has interviews and fan segments interspersed with the actual concert which I know would just annoy me. Both the French Metallica and the German Within Temptation Blu-Rays are region free, and work great on my U.S. player.

Since this is a bass thread though, I think the Nine Inch Nails disc has the most bass of the concert discs I've listened to...:p

Percy Jackson & the Olympians: The Lightning Thief had some good bass. http://static.yuku.com/domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/pimp.gif

On what format? It doesn't come out on Blu-Ray until 6/29. Any chance you got your hands on an advance copy?

Yea I got an advance copy.

Sorry, was not too impressed. One or two scenes had appropriate bass.

You have to watch the DTS version on dvd not doubly digital as well at 25db. There are only 3 major scenes planecrash, subway and the best one the solar flare. I have the sub25 it vibrated everything also I live in a condo.

9 is crazy I have to agree but u guys who say knowing is not good I don't know specially in DTS

I recently watched that, don't remember being impressed at all by the low-end. It wasn't lacking majorly, but it certainly wasn't a reference LFE track.

Then again I'm having LFE-response issues with my room, so could be that.

You have to watch the DTS version on dvd not doubly digital as well at 25db. There are only 3 major scenes planecrash, subway and the best one the solar flare. I have the sub25 it vibrated everything also I live in a condo

Why does DTS on dvds sound better than DTS HD master audio?

Just wondering if anyone has done/seen waterfalls of the DTS-HD MA THX trailer/intro after the Avatar end credits?

:cool:

Just wondering if anyone has done/seen waterfalls of the DTS-HD MA THX trailer/intro after the Avatar end credits?

:cool:

Did you do a search? I think I remember one floating around here a few weeks back or so.

Just wondering if anyone has done/seen waterfalls of the DTS-HD MA THX trailer/intro after the Avatar end credits?

:cool:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15208041#post15208041

All the THX trailers plotted.

...and here's a link for the 'Amazing Life' trailer at the end of Avatar.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15208348#post15208348

Did you do a search? I think I remember one floating around here a few weeks back or so.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15208041#post15208041

All the THX trailers plotted.

...and here's a link for the 'Amazing Life' trailer at the end of Avatar.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15208348#post15208348
I didn't do a search, but thanks for the links. :)

well, i recently watched gamer blu-ray and i have to say that the lossless soundtrack was pretty robust. just the opening scene was fun. lots of bass and crisp high end surround detail.

and here is something i find odd....actually, i'd say more than odd. it makes me wonder about lossy vs. lossless audio codecs. is it marketing hype or really worth us continually upgrading our equipment to keep up with the new latest and greatest technology that keeps coming out at a fevered pace?

i recently watched descent: part 2 on standard dvd with the lossy dolby digital 5.1 soundtrack. and it was phenomenal, both in lfe and truly immersive use of the surrounds, which really made the movie. watching this movie in a 2 channel soundtrack would actually make it quite ineffective in it's presentation. hearing the cave dwellers moving around and making sounds off stage behind you punctuated the creepy factor. *now, in regards to the lfe, here is my conundrum. try watching this movie at about -7 below reference, then watch the scene where the cop first fires his gun and causes the cave to collapse. tell me if there is any perceptible (not measured with software) to the human ear difference between that an a lossless soundtrack? you have to watch that scene to understand what i'm saying. the bass is punchy with no mud, it's crisp, and sounds like you, the viewer, are experiencing a cave collapse in your living room.

or how about this....watch the standard dvd star wars episode i - the phantom menace at about -6 or -7 below reference. that movie has so much bass that svs has a dedicated page for it. just a standard dolby digital lossy soundtrack, but will rock your system.

the reason i bring this up is because my father in law asked me if it is worth upgrading his receiver to a hdmi switching receiver with on board hd audio decoding. and to be quite honest, i'm not real sure at this point. i've seen some standard dvd movies with both dolby digital and dts soundtracks that are ground pounders. case in point.....WOTW in standard dvd.

don't get me wrong. cloverfield bd, flight of the phoenix bd, t2 salvation bd, sherlock holmes bd, 9 bd, etc.. are truly exceptional lossless soundtracks and rattle the dishes in the sink with prodigious clean bass.

i have to say, fellas. i'm honesty starting to wonder about lossy vs. lossless. i've seen the waterfalls. i've seen the dramatic differences in data rates between the two. however, i'm talking about what the human ear hears on well mixed hot standard dvd soundtracks. they can make your ears bleed just like the lossless stuff. i.e. "coming mother" the haunting dts-es, "darla tank tap" finding nemo, almost any star wars movie, the incredibles, etc.. i want someone to explain to me why a 448 kbit/s soundtrack can have the same perceptible authority as a 3.8 mbit/s soundtrack???

anybody else feel the same way?

It's not 9 or WOTW, but if you guys get a chance, check out SUNSHINE. Cool scifi flick with bass throughout.

It's not 9 or WOTW, but if you guys get a chance, check out SUNSHINE. Cool scifi flick with bass throughout.

I agree. Been a little while since I saw it but I thought it had some pretty good lfe sequences, and it surprised me by being a good flick. Though I wouldn't recommend it to people who don't enjoy scifi as they'll constantly be saying "Why is that happening?" and "That's not real."

and here is something i find odd....actually, i'd say more than odd. it makes me wonder about lossy vs. lossless audio codecs. is it marketing hype or really worth us continually upgrading our equipment to keep up with the new latest and greatest technology that keeps coming out at a fevered pace?

i recently watched descent: part 2 on standard dvd with the lossy dolby digital 5.1 soundtrack. and it was phenomenal, both in lfe and truly immersive use of the surrounds, which really made the movie. watching this movie in a 2 channel soundtrack would actually make it quite ineffective in it's presentation. hearing the cave dwellers moving around and making sounds off stage behind you punctuated the creepy factor. *now, in regards to the lfe, here is my conundrum. try watching this movie at about -7 below reference, then watch the scene where the cop first fires his gun and causes the cave to collapse. tell me if there is any perceptible (not measured with software) to the human ear difference between that an a lossless soundtrack? you have to watch that scene to understand what i'm saying. the bass is punchy with no mud, it's crisp, and sounds like you, the viewer, are experiencing a cave collapse in your living room.

or how about this....watch the standard dvd star wars episode i - the phantom menace at about -6 or -7 below reference. that movie has so much bass that svs has a dedicated page for it. just a standard dolby digital lossy soundtrack, but will rock your system.

the reason i bring this up is because my father in law asked me if it is worth upgrading his receiver to a hdmi switching receiver with on board hd audio decoding. and to be quite honest, i'm not real sure at this point. i've seen some standard dvd movies with both dolby digital and dts soundtracks that are ground pounders. case in point.....WOTW in standard dvd.

don't get me wrong. cloverfield bd, flight of the phoenix bd, t2 salvation bd, sherlock holmes bd, 9 bd, etc.. are truly exceptional lossless soundtracks and rattle the dishes in the sink with prodigious clean bass.

i have to say, fellas. i'm honesty starting to wonder about lossy vs. lossless. i've seen the waterfalls. i've seen the dramatic differences in data rates between the two. however, i'm talking about what the human ear hears on well mixed hot standard dvd soundtracks. they can make your ears bleed just like the lossless stuff. i.e. "coming mother" the haunting dts-es, "darla tank tap" finding nemo, almost any star wars movie, the incredibles, etc.. i want someone to explain to me why a 448 kbit/s soundtrack can have the same perceptible authority as a 3.8 mbit/s soundtrack???

anybody else feel the same way?

Shoot FilmMixer a PM and ask him to come in here and read/answer your questions. He can explain it very well and is very knowledgeable on the subject.

Shoot FilmMixer a PM and ask him to come in here and read/answer your questions. He can explain it very well and is very knowledgeable on the subject.

I will do that. Thanks.

I would be very interested in reading his thoughts on the matter.

and here is something i find odd....actually, i'd say more than odd. it makes me wonder about lossy vs. lossless audio codecs. is it marketing hype or really worth us continually upgrading our equipment to keep up with the new latest and greatest technology that keeps coming out at a fevered pace?

i recently watched descent: part 2 on standard dvd with the lossy dolby digital 5.1 soundtrack. and it was phenomenal, both in lfe and truly immersive use of the surrounds, which really made the movie. watching this movie in a 2 channel soundtrack would actually make it quite ineffective in it's presentation. hearing the cave dwellers moving around and making sounds off stage behind you punctuated the creepy factor. *now, in regards to the lfe, here is my conundrum. try watching this movie at about -7 below reference, then watch the scene where the cop first fires his gun and causes the cave to collapse. tell me if there is any perceptible (not measured with software) to the human ear difference between that an a lossless soundtrack? you have to watch that scene to understand what i'm saying. the bass is punchy with no mud, it's crisp, and sounds like you, the viewer, are experiencing a cave collapse in your living room.

or how about this....watch the standard dvd star wars episode i - the phantom menace at about -6 or -7 below reference. that movie has so much bass that svs has a dedicated page for it. just a standard dolby digital lossy soundtrack, but will rock your system.

the reason i bring this up is because my father in law asked me if it is worth upgrading his receiver to a hdmi switching receiver with on board hd audio decoding. and to be quite honest, i'm not real sure at this point. i've seen some standard dvd movies with both dolby digital and dts soundtracks that are ground pounders. case in point.....WOTW in standard dvd.

don't get me wrong. cloverfield bd, flight of the phoenix bd, t2 salvation bd, sherlock holmes bd, 9 bd, etc.. are truly exceptional lossless soundtracks and rattle the dishes in the sink with prodigious clean bass.

i have to say, fellas. i'm honesty starting to wonder about lossy vs. lossless. i've seen the waterfalls. i've seen the dramatic differences in data rates between the two. however, i'm talking about what the human ear hears on well mixed hot standard dvd soundtracks. they can make your ears bleed just like the lossless stuff. i.e. "coming mother" the haunting dts-es, "darla tank tap" finding nemo, almost any star wars movie, the incredibles, etc.. i want someone to explain to me why a 448 kbit/s soundtrack can have the same perceptible authority as a 3.8 mbit/s soundtrack???

anybody else feel the same way?

If your focus is on seeing improvements solely in the bass, I don't think lossless gets you much. From what I have read (and I'm an amateur so I could be wrong) bass is the easiest, least bit intensive thing to encode. This makes sense to me. What lossy starts to lose is, as I recall, more in the high frequencies, and as you get to lower bitrates the information discarded as "masked" by other sounds gets closer to being actually audible in some cases . . .

And even there, it is generally thought that the higher bitrate lossy found on BDs (which a legacy receiver can decode) is very nearly if not totally indistinguishable from lossless on most real world material. From a "should I purchase" perspective, you can go audition DVD versus BD versions of familiar material at a decent shop and see if the difference seems to matter to you. Or you can approach it philosophically as a question of whether you want to pay for new equipment for relatively minor improvements, or whether you're the type, in the long run, who will be happier knowing you're not missing anything even theoretically because you're using lossless.

Lossless should not change anything about the surround mix, etc. It may improve the sound of what is already there in a lossy encode, but to anticipate huge differences in content is setting yourself up for disappointment.

When I was in my slavish comparison period, when I first got a BD player, it was the opening of the second Pirates of the Caribbean movie where I most clearly thought Iheard a difference. The rain was more real sounding when comparing DVD versus lossless BD. I eventually learned that this actually makes some sense, as some research indicates it's easier to hear the difference between lossy and lossless with pink or white noise test tones than with typical program material. Rain is kinda pink noise soinding . . . so maybe I really heard a difference.

I like having lossless, but frankly don't miss it when I watch movies on regular DVD. And once in a while I'll watch half or more of a blu ray on the lossy track, if the disk defaults there and I'm not paying attention. In terms of enjoying the movie, it doesn't make much difference. Of course, I'm always certain that the rest of the movie sounds just a little better once I switch to the lossless track,but that's hardly a scientific observation.

I'm too wordy today. Sorry

If your focus is on seeing improvements solely in the bass, I don't think lossless gets you much. From what I have read (and I'm an amateur so I could be wrong) bass is the easiest, least bit intensive thing to encode. This makes sense to me. What lossy starts to lose is, as I recall, more in the high frequencies, and as you get to lower bitrates the information discarded as "masked" by other sounds gets closer to being actually audible in some cases . . .
But what could make a difference on Blu-Ray is when we (as consumers) get a better mix. Many studios are making a serious effort to upgrade their stock (picture quality, lossless) and with a shift in what consumers expect many might improve the mix (a better port from the cinema soundformat to 5.1/7.1). Bass as a consequence might be fuller or better defined.

Sadly we now have some examples where the opposite happens (ROTK and M&C, possibly more).

It looks like War of the Worlds on Blu-Ray is out (per Amazon). Anyone kind enough to run some waterfall graphs on it yet. After the Master and Commander Blu-Ray dubbing error from Fox, I am nervous getting Blu-Rays that were once on DVD.

Someone has already posted waterfalls and they are fine.

and here is something i find odd....actually, i'd say more than odd. it makes me wonder about lossy vs. lossless audio codecs. is it marketing hype or really worth us continually upgrading our equipment to keep up with the new latest and greatest technology that keeps coming out at a fevered pace?

i recently watched descent: part 2 on standard dvd with the lossy dolby digital 5.1 soundtrack. and it was phenomenal, both in lfe and truly immersive use of the surrounds, which really made the movie. watching this movie in a 2 channel soundtrack would actually make it quite ineffective in it's presentation. hearing the cave dwellers moving around and making sounds off stage behind you punctuated the creepy factor. *now, in regards to the lfe, here is my conundrum. try watching this movie at about -7 below reference, then watch the scene where the cop first fires his gun and causes the cave to collapse. tell me if there is any perceptible (not measured with software) to the human ear difference between that an a lossless soundtrack? you have to watch that scene to understand what i'm saying. the bass is punchy with no mud, it's crisp, and sounds like you, the viewer, are experiencing a cave collapse in your living room.

or how about this....watch the standard dvd star wars episode i - the phantom menace at about -6 or -7 below reference. that movie has so much bass that svs has a dedicated page for it. just a standard dolby digital lossy soundtrack, but will rock your system.

the reason i bring this up is because my father in law asked me if it is worth upgrading his receiver to a hdmi switching receiver with on board hd audio decoding. and to be quite honest, i'm not real sure at this point. i've seen some standard dvd movies with both dolby digital and dts soundtracks that are ground pounders. case in point.....WOTW in standard dvd.

don't get me wrong. cloverfield bd, flight of the phoenix bd, t2 salvation bd, sherlock holmes bd, 9 bd, etc.. are truly exceptional lossless soundtracks and rattle the dishes in the sink with prodigious clean bass.

i have to say, fellas. i'm honesty starting to wonder about lossy vs. lossless. i've seen the waterfalls. i've seen the dramatic differences in data rates between the two. however, i'm talking about what the human ear hears on well mixed hot standard dvd soundtracks. they can make your ears bleed just like the lossless stuff. i.e. "coming mother" the haunting dts-es, "darla tank tap" finding nemo, almost any star wars movie, the incredibles, etc.. i want someone to explain to me why a 448 kbit/s soundtrack can have the same perceptible authority as a 3.8 mbit/s soundtrack???

anybody else feel the same way?

All I can say is, "it's all in the mix" and that's how you get that sound. A higher quality/lossless version of the same mix will not hit harder because of the extra 1's and 0's.

It looks like War of the Worlds on Blu-Ray is out (per Amazon). Anyone kind enough to run some waterfall graphs on it yet. After the Master and Commander Blu-Ray dubbing error from Fox, I am nervous getting Blu-Rays that were once on DVD.

Just get it in DTS audio on dvd. just like knowing dts versions are way better

I asked this earliar in this thread how come DTS on dvd sound better in most cases than blue ray DTS HD master audio.

It's not 9 or WOTW, but if you guys get a chance, check out SUNSHINE. Cool scifi flick with bass throughout.

Yea that was a good bass movie

can someone compare the WOFTW DTS dvd vs the new blue ray DTS HD Master Audio. DTS us awesome but from a review i just read it says its insane basically

its a great site for blue ray releases.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/3125/waroftheworlds.html

Someone has already posted comparisons they are exactly the same.

Someone has already posted comparisons they are exactly the same.

how is that possible if the blueray just came out for war of the wolrds?

Someone got it before its official release date, which is not abnormal.

Recommended from this thread, just watched "Hot Fuzz" on BR. First off, the movie itself was refreshingly "fun". Really enjoyed it! Secondly, the LFE was a literal kick in the pants! It was by far the best experience I've had since adding the Danley to my room. In fact, it was the first time that I trimmed the LFE channel down because everyone's head was aching! Really was a fun time with the subwoofer!

Recommended from this thread, just watched "Hot Fuzz" on BR. First off, the movie itself was refreshingly "fun". Really enjoyed it! Secondly, the LFE was a literal kick in the pants! It was by far the best experience I've had since adding the Danley to my room. In fact, it was the first time that I trimmed the LFE channel down because everyone's head was aching! Really was a fun time with the subwoofer!

Hot Fuzz is one of the best Bass movies!

Hot Fuzz is one of the best Bass movies!

I have to disagree. On the one hand, yes -- lots of big, deep bass, which is normally great. Unfortunately, I think Hot Fuzz proved false my standard stance on these matters which is that there's no such thing as too much bass. :D There was deep bass when he reached into his pocket to get his keys, closed the door, etc. Over time it just got to be a major distraction.

I used Hot Fuzz to show off my PB-13 Ultra to my brother who was visiting from out of town based on all of the raves I read here. After we watched it and put in another movie, whenever there was deep bass, the scene seemed about as dramatic as a guy taking his keys out of his pocket. By overdramatizing banal scenes, it made it impossible to make bass in truly dramatic scenes really impactful. It's kind of like the adage that if you try to emphasize everything, you emphasize nothing.

I have to disagree. On the one hand, yes -- lots of big, deep bass, which is normally great. Unfortunately, I think Hot Fuzz proved false my standard stance on these matters which is that there's no such thing as too much bass. :D There was deep bass when he reached into his pocket to get his keys, closed the door, etc. Over time it just got to be a major distraction.

I used Hot Fuzz to show off my PB-13 Ultra to my brother who was visiting from out of town based on all of the raves I read here. After we watched it and put in another movie, whenever there was deep bass, the scene seemed about as dramatic as a guy taking his keys out of his pocket. By overdramatizing banal scenes, it made it impossible to make bass in truly dramatic scenes really impactful. It's kind of like the adage that if you try to emphasize everything, you emphasize nothing.


I typically agree with your comments. Could not watch a movie that way on a regular basis. But it sure was FUN! I think the LFE was used as a way of stressing how "important" the lead character felt he was. Everything, including writing in his notebook and chasing geese was "dramatic" to him. From that perspective,the LFE made some sense to me. You could almost say that the LFE was a character in and of itself. Still, our nerves were razzled after the first half hour!

Hot Fuzz is one of the best Bass movies!

Amen brotha!!

I watched the last scene in the movie KNOWING in DTS AUDIO wow its true what the guy said the supernova that destroys the earth is WOW!!!!

The other 2 scenes are good as well bt not like the last scene is like the launch of the space shuttle. Has anyone done a graph on thisscene in DTS?

I have to disagree. On the one hand, yes -- lots of big, deep bass, which is normally great. Unfortunately, I think Hot Fuzz proved false my standard stance on these matters which is that there's no such thing as too much bass. :D There was deep bass when he reached into his pocket to get his keys, closed the door, etc. Over time it just got to be a major distraction.

I used Hot Fuzz to show off my PB-13 Ultra to my brother who was visiting from out of town based on all of the raves I read here. After we watched it and put in another movie, whenever there was deep bass, the scene seemed about as dramatic as a guy taking his keys out of his pocket. By overdramatizing banal scenes, it made it impossible to make bass in truly dramatic scenes really impactful. It's kind of like the adage that if you try to emphasize everything, you emphasize nothing.

You do know that all that bass was done on purpose right? It was an exaggeration to all the action movies.

and here is something i find odd....

Your just comparing the LFE channel. I think the biggest difference comes from the high frequencies. But even with that said, to me, bass on bluray always sounds more clean and clear compaired with the DVD of the same movie.

Try some comparisons again and this time listen not just to the LFE, but the overall sound.

I have to disagree. On the one hand, yes -- lots of big, deep bass, which is normally great. Unfortunately, I think Hot Fuzz proved false my standard stance on these matters which is that there's no such thing as too much bass. :D There was deep bass when he reached into his pocket to get his keys, closed the door, etc. Over time it just got to be a major distraction.

I used Hot Fuzz to show off my PB-13 Ultra to my brother who was visiting from out of town based on all of the raves I read here. After we watched it and put in another movie, whenever there was deep bass, the scene seemed about as dramatic as a guy taking his keys out of his pocket. By overdramatizing banal scenes, it made it impossible to make bass in truly dramatic scenes really impactful. It's kind of like the adage that if you try to emphasize everything, you emphasize nothing.


You missed the point..............the overdone bass is on purpose making fun of the typical action movie soundtrack that commonly puts big bass in strange places...........its actually one of the comedy elements to the film. Hot Fuzz is one of the bass greats IMO. Considering they saved the biggest LFE/bass for the ending chapters of the film, I think the impact was not lost at all.

Good titles named. Everytime I pop in Pulse, I'm blown away. Maybe I'll take a video of some light bulbs breaking this weekend.

I watched the last scene in the movie KNOWING in DTS AUDIO wow its true what the guy said the supernova that destroys the earth is WOW!!!!

The other 2 scenes are good as well bt not like the last scene is like the launch of the space shuttle. Has anyone done a graph on thisscene in DTS?

Not dts, but some scenes with dd are here.:)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=16818719&postcount=3364

Couple videos I took of PULSE today..

Pulse,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZglcBoKBuaY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3ITs36dhxM

Krap, got in trouble with she who shall not be named last night. She goes out with her family so I figure what the H, I'll watch an action film, so put in "Transporter" (is it just me or is that asian chick hot) anyway she comes home after the movie and I am about to try out a second movie so put in "Behind Enemy Lines" holy snikies I completely forgot how much bass is in this movie and I guess I still had the volume a tad high from the first movie.

She has asthma problems and had gone to bed when that scene wher Owen Wilson ahs to cross the filed of trip wires and they start to go off. :D GF comes out of the bedroom screaming, "G-Dam that friggin hurt I'm trying to sleep in here" :eek: :rolleyes: so sadly had to turn the volume down, but what a great movie for deep bass. (gald I have five subs in my great room) :cool:

Has anyone done waterfall graphs for Terminator Salvation? If so please link! ;)

I've searched the forum/thread and can't find any. I watched it lastnight and the LFE was truly mind-boggling @ the gas station scene and also a scene shortly thereafter. Among the best I've ever heard... easily on the same level as WOTW and Cloverfield though perhaps not quite as deep in some parts. Easily as powerful, though.

The gas station scene had me grinning from ear to ear. :D

Has anyone done waterfall graphs for Terminator Salvation? If so please link! ;)

I've searched the forum/thread and can't find any. I watched it lastnight and the LFE was truly mind-boggling @ the gas station scene and also a scene shortly thereafter. Among the best I've ever heard... easily on the same level as WOTW and Cloverfield though perhaps not quite as deep in some parts. Easily as powerful, though.

The gas station scene had me grinning from ear to ear. :DPost #3910, but they don't appear to be labeled by scene.

Has anyone done waterfall graphs for Terminator Salvation? If so please link! ;)

I've searched the forum/thread and can't find any. I watched it lastnight and the LFE was truly mind-boggling @ the gas station scene and also a scene shortly thereafter. Among the best I've ever heard... easily on the same level as WOTW and Cloverfield though perhaps not quite as deep in some parts. Easily as powerful, though.

The gas station scene had me grinning from ear to ear. :D



Nothing much going on below 20 Hz.:eek:

SO HAS ANYONE CHARTED.... the antimatter explosion near the end of Angels & Demons??

Nothing much going on below 20 Hz.:eek:

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/04523-04640.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/04300-04523.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/04046-04300.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/03813-04046.jpg

Gas station scene starts here^ and goes up and ends scene where skynet ship fly away in canyon(strong 31hz). Yep, not much bass under 30hz actually, though when humans fighter shoots his missiles there is some 5-10hz stuff.

Gas Tanker scene, starting at 37 min (at bottom). Waterfall continuous from from 37 min thru 39 min 30 sec.


Calibrated waterfall.

Left waterfall is LFE channel.

Right waterfall is full range L, C and R channels mixed together.


Not much below about 20 Hz for the entire movie. The bass is still good regardless!



http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm232/Red_Foreman/capt_Terminator_Salv_37min-39min-30.jpg

What frequency range are the death ray blasts from the tripod focussed at in WotW as it is walking down the street right after the emergence?

Percy Jackson and the lighting thief has to go as reference for one of the best bass movies. It had my Epik Conquest working throughout the entire film.

What frequency range are the death ray blasts from the tripod focussed at in WotW as it is walking down the street right after the emergence?

Mainly in 30hz area.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch6_26.jpg

Mainly in 30hz area.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch6_26.jpg

Cool. Thanks:)

Watching WOTW BD (DTS-MA) now. It still has the punch I remember from the SD DVD. The BD mix seems identical as far as I can tell.

Watching WOTW BD (DTS-MA) now. It still has the punch I remember from the SD DVD. The BD mix seems identical as far as I can tell.


+1

I thought the same thing last night. Certainly has not lost anything.

+1

I thought the same thing last night. Certainly has not lost anything.

I listened to the pod emerging scene three times in succession at 10 dB below reference today. Fortunately, my wife and kids were out of the house for a bit. Darned good LFE there. Still one of the best. When the pod starts zorching everyone, and when it levels the bridge (and the vehicles fall off) is just mind blowing really.

I listened to the pod emerging scene three times in succession at 10 dB below reference today. Fortunately, my wife and kids were out of the house for a bit. Darned good LFE there. Still one of the best. When the pod starts zorching everyone, and when it levels the bridge (and the vehicles fall off) is just mind blowing really.

I agree. I watched all the big action moments again after the film was over right near reference level and it was insane!

Gas Tanker scene, starting at 37 min (at bottom). Waterfall continuous from from 37 min thru 39 min 30 sec.


Calibrated waterfall.

Left waterfall is LFE channel.

Right waterfall is full range L, C and R channels mixed together.


Not much below about 20 Hz for the entire movie. The bass is still good regardless!



http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm232/Red_Foreman/capt_Terminator_Salv_37min-39min-30.jpg

Your graphs are HORRIBLE. Please stop posting. I guess this is why we have an ignore function.

Your graphs are HORRIBLE. Please stop posting. I guess this is why we have an ignore function.

So very true.

And just because you don't understand them, doesn't mean they are horrible.

What frequency range are the death ray blasts from the tripod focussed at in WotW as it is walking down the street right after the emergence?

linked on the first page


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch6_26.jpg

You do know that all that bass was done on purpose right? It was an exaggeration to all the action movies.

Yes, I did get that. I just found it to be annoying and not that funny as a send up of other action movies. Don't mean to imply that no one else should enjoy it - just that it didn't work for me.

So very true.

And just because you don't understand them, doesn't mean they are horrible.

I understand them but they are extremely hard to read.

linked on the first page


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch6_26.jpg

The strong bass is at 30 hz but there is bass down to 5 hz in there. What it does is give a little extra pressure down low which adds to the effect.

SO HAS ANYONE CHARTED.... the antimatter explosion near the end of Angels & Demons??

Something like this...

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/ad1.jpg

Couple videos I took of PULSE today..

Pulse,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZglcBoKBuaY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3ITs36dhxM

Your dog is pretty brave, surprised it didn't get sucked into one of the subs while it was down there. ;)

Your dog is pretty brave, surprised it didn't get sucked into one of the subs while it was down there. ;)

When I turn it up, she follows me everywhere I go. That's the only time she wants to be by me. I guess she's scared.

Not sure if this one was mentioned or how low it goes but there's a Korean flick called Tidal Wave on Bluray. The movie was kinda OK (mostly lame) but the bass is pretty good.

Hi,
maybe I already asked this question :o :
Where could I find some Transformers 2 waterfall ?

I'm interested in particular in the opening scenes (Dreamworks and Paramount logos and the first 10 min in general...).

Could someone produce this waterfall?
They should be very interesting ;)


Thanks again and sorry for the request

^^ Here you go.

http://i49.tinypic.com/vqsi1l.jpg

Thanks very much!

Is it reffering to Dreamworks an Paramount logo, right?
I didn't heard 50 Hz hit. :o

I remember a dicussion on the subject, but I can't remember the outcome. Is the DD-EX track on the EE of LOTR better than the DTS-ES track?

I watched The Road last night. While I wouldn't describe it as a big LFE movie, there were 2-3 scenes that were among the best I've heard in a long time. Deep, punchy, clean bass. The earthquake scene (a little more than halfway through the movie) in which several trees fall in succession. The camera shook a little to create a sense of a real earthquake, but I couldn't rule out the possibility that it could have been my projector shaking. :D

Sorry I don't know how to take Waterfall graphs. If someone has this disc (I watched on Blu-Ray) I'm sure the graph would be insane.

Finanly saw terminater salvation Blue Ray wow the bass is crazy in that movie and the soun quality was sweet.

It was so loud, next is 9 to watch tonight

Finanly saw terminater salvation Blue Ray wow the bass is crazy in that movie and the soun quality was sweet.

It was so loud, next is 9 to watch tonight

Nice lineup! Let us know what you think after 9...

OK.

Last two Blu-rays I've watched were Public Enemies and The Hurt Locker.

Public Enemies was pretty awesome during any of the shoot out sequences. However, the scene where Watson is chasing Dillinger in the woods, I believe he was shooting a .458. Every time he fires that at Dillinger or at a tree, is premium demo material. However, the dialogue reproduction was terrible. Muffled at certain non-action and clear in others. Johnny Depp was awesome.

The Hurt Locker was not only a great and gritty movie, but had many scenes that are demo quality. The firing of the .50 cal and the IED explosions. I was at about -6 below reference on this one and those scenes rocked the house. I, especially liked the ending. I thought it was fitting for James' character. He was psychologically in too deep to go back to a normal life. I though the scene with him at the grocery story at the end was poignant. You can see that he couldn't live that life after being in the sand and diffusing 800+ IEDs.

some good stuff on the Ninja Assassin bluray. The intro scene, when the ninja first appears, has some nice subsonics for a good 5-10 seconds straight.

also the road on bluray also has some good stuff during the earthquake scenes and when the trees uproot and fall over.

Watched Book of Eli last night on SD and it rocked the house!!:D
Can't wait to see what others think of the LFE in this.
Thanks BZB:)

Got my second Danley DTS-10 installed and calibrated. Watched "Flight of the Phoenix" last night! OMG! I received the highest compliment from one of my guests (my Dad). After the movie he complained of nausea! That was at -10 MV! If I did it again at reference I may be able to induce vomit! :)

Seriously, the plane crash in the opening scene was as intense as anything I've ever heard. Why oh why can't they mix all movies this way?

Hi mates!!, I have been playing with Speclab a bit to make some waterfalls (Im not an expert in the matter), and it works, I mean that I see the graph of what Im playing in that moment (for example the bass I love you song from youtube)...the problem is that its too pixeleted, and the scale in the time is too "slim" so all the graph looks like sharp lines with no detail...I tried changing the FFT options in "decimate imput by (divisor)" to 8, and it looks less pixelated, but even more sharp and small so... I would like to know what are the "standar" options to configurate in the program to make the waterfalls we can see in post like this...It would be great to know it, as we all would be able to make waterfalls dont you think??;) ...

Many thanks guys!!!!!!!:)

Got my second Danley DTS-10 installed and calibrated. Watched "Flight of the Phoenix" last night! OMG! I received the highest compliment from one of my guests (my Dad). After the movie he complained of nausea! That was at -10 MV! If I did it again at reference I may be able to induce vomit! :)

Seriously, the plane crash in the opening scene was as intense as anything I've ever heard. Why oh why can't they mix all movies this way?

Oh yea, FOTP on Blu-ray is phenomenal. My system is calibrated and my Infinity PS-212 sub is calibrated about 3 dB hot.

The sandstorm sequence and barrel roll is unbelievable, especially at about - 6 below reference. What makes that scene unique, IMO, is it's just not a bass hit. It's a sustained room pressurization that is tactile and quite intense. People who have not seen this movie on a decent system have NO idea what they are missing. I put this movie on my top 10 list. Right up there with the likes of Iron Man, T2 Salvation, Star Trek, 9, The Haunting on standard DVD with the DTS-ES soundtrack. There are a lot of fantastic LFE BD movies out there. Avatar BD was amazing in surround detail, but a little weak on LFE.

However, for me. The reigning king is Cloverfield BD at about -5 below reference. My wife always winces whenever I say, hey, let's watch Cloverfield again...lol That movie means business in the sound department. After a viewing we have to straighten our picture frames and the knick knacks hanging in the kitchen. Dog runs out the doggie door and stays outside until the movie is over. Now that is a soundtrack.

Ok, here I did a waterfall of the cavalcade THX demo (DVD)...hope you like it...more will follow...:)

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/5974/capt02.jpg

Bye!!

Found a new one, made in 1989. WARLOCK. Ha!

Lots of unnecessary bass

Can someone do a waterfall for Shutter Island? There is a scene where my room starts to vibrate out of the nowhere and nothing is happening on the screen, it must be for suspense. I am curious as to what frequency it is. Oh, other than that there are not many if any bass scenes.

Oh yea, FOTP on Blu-ray is phenomenal. My system is calibrated and my Infinity PS-212 sub is calibrated about 3 dB hot.

The sandstorm sequence and barrel roll is unbelievable, especially at about - 6 below reference. What makes that scene unique, IMO, is it's just not a bass hit. It's a sustained room pressurization that is tactile and quite intense. People who have not seen this movie on a decent system have NO idea what they are missing. I put this movie on my top 10 list. Right up there with the likes of Iron Man, T2 Salvation, Star Trek, 9, The Haunting on standard DVD with the DTS-ES soundtrack. There are a lot of fantastic LFE BD movies out there. Avatar BD was amazing in surround detail, but a little weak on LFE.

However, for me. The reigning king is Cloverfield BD at about -5 below reference. My wife always winces whenever I say, hey, let's watch Cloverfield again...lol That movie means business in the sound department. After a viewing we have to straighten our picture frames and the knick knacks hanging in the kitchen. Dog runs out the doggie door and stays outside until the movie is over. Now that is a soundtrack.

I agree, at the volume we watched at, it sustained over 110db for some 30 seconds or so. By the time the plane came to a stop everyone in the room was frazzled and glad we finally touched down! ;)

I have not watched Cloverfield with the new subs. I'm going to have to revisit many recent films! :)

I have not watched Cloverfield with the new subs. I'm going to have to revisit many recent films! :)

I use Cloverfield BD and The Haunting DTS-ES edition for my primary demo material for friends and family. Cloverfield in certain scenes usually makes people's jaw drop or plug their ears, like my mom does. And afterward people pretty much make the same refrain..."I just know what to say about that other than, Wow or Holy Jesus"

It's too bad that such an blockbuster move like Avatar had such a great film transfer, fantastic audio surround detail, but marginal LFE. The military shooting down the massive tree, when it fell I was expecting to hear the weighty impact of a massive tree hitting the ground. Instead it just went poof. Absolutely ridiculous....how flat and limiting the LFE was in this movie.

Another sleeper.....for demo of heavy surround channel usage and a couple of scenes with heavy LFE, The Descent Part II. The cave collapse caused by the cop firing off his handgun will put a smile on your face if you're a bass head. About 2/3 of this movie was heavily immersive with constant use of surround effects of the rocks falling or mainly the cave dwellers lurking around. Instead of everything being directed center stage, the emphasis was all rear stage and background ambiance.

People who have not seen this movie on a decent system have NO idea what they are missing. I put this movie on my top 10 list.

It's at the top of my top 10 list. I've only seen the plane crash scene twice since I put the tapped horn together. First time it was to watch the movie through at my normal listening volume of -15dB with the LFE 5dB hot. I got 112dB peaks at listening position that time. That was fun, if somewhat exhausting.

Second time was five minutes ago with the LFE at -5dB from reference (according to the Pioneer - I think it calibrates itself a bit hot). It was almost uncomfortable. Saw 120dB at listening position. Barrel roll had the couch trembling in fear, and this couch is on concrete fifteen feet away from the horn.

Methinks this movie is mixed a bit hot on the LFE. No matter - it's my new go-to demo DVD :D

hi again!, can someone tell me if my waterfall has been done well??:)

Thanks!

Here I go with a "bass I love you" capture (from half to end)...I know someone did it but Im just learning...:D

(Redone)
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2210/capt07.jpg


EDIT:

Here you have a capture of "The Road" (DTS)...is the falling trees scene (Redone)

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/4815/capt08.jpg


Bye!!

hi again!, can someone tell me if my waterfall has been done well??:)

Thanks!

they are very good, please continue.:)

Here you have a capture of "The Road" (DTS)...is the falling trees scene

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1790/capt06.jpg


Bye!!

Waterman....see the signal strength graph on the right of your shots? You are clipping the input very heavily and that will add distortions to the spectrum plot that do not exist. Lower your input sensitivity. You want none of the peaks to touch the edge to ensure that your graphs represent only what's on the disc.. :)

Here's one of mine from the Hurtlocker for example. See what I mean?


http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/HurtLockerbeginningexplosion.jpg

Many thanks to lfe man and Ricci!!:)

Ok!, I see what you say Ricci...I suspected there were something wrong with that...I will try again. Many thanks again mates!!;)


EDIT: I have done again the waterfalls for "bass I love you" and "The Road", they are in my previous post...are they right now? (my sound card has a VERY sensitive record control, so this is the best I can do (I think))

Bye!!!

Waterman....see the signal strength graph on the right of your shots? You are clipping the input very heavily and that will add distortions to the spectrum plot that do not exist. Lower your input sensitivity. You want none of the peaks to touch the edge to ensure that your graphs represent only what's on the disc.. :)

Here's one of mine from the Hurtlocker for example. See what I mean?


http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/HurtLockerbeginningexplosion.jpg

I love that part. :D

Hey, Ricci. Could you post up your settings for SpectrumLab? Ever since I got this new laptop of mine I cannot get the graph to look even that good. I miss how good it looked on my XP machine in my bedroom but I can't get it to look like that anymore. On my pc it is super blocky and very hard to see much detail at all. Argh! Frustrating.

hi again!, can someone tell me if my waterfall has been done well??:)

Thanks!

You're doing it right. No worries.

I'll give you Kudo points if you do a waterfall for the cave collapse sequence in The Descent Part II. Start your waterfall immediately after the cop fires off his gun in the cave to the point until cave collapse is over and done with.

It's on standard DVD with a Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack, but it's mixed hot, like Star Wars Episodes I II III.

Many thanks to lfe man and Ricci!!:)

Ok!, I see what you say Ricci...I suspected there were something wrong with that...I will try again. Many thanks again mates!!;)


EDIT: I have done again the waterfalls for "bass I love you" and "The Road", they are in my previous post...are they right now? (my sound card has a VERY sensitive record control, so this is the best I can do (I think))

Bye!!!

Looks good. :D Keep tweaking on your settings as you go. It takes awhile to get it "there". GL.

Hey, Ricci. Could you post up your settings for SpectrumLab? Ever since I got this new laptop of mine I cannot get the graph to look even that good. I miss how good it looked on my XP machine in my bedroom but I can't get it to look like that anymore. On my pc it is super blocky and very hard to see much detail at all. Argh! Frustrating.

Will do later.

My settings are quite a bit different from most though. Mine look more blocky because I prefer to have a quicker response time to changes in level and my scroll speed is usually jacked up higher too. So what if it looks like a bad NES game?:D 1-1.5hz resolution should be good enough for the bass range.

You're doing it right. No worries.

I'll give you Kudo points if you do a waterfall for the cave collapse sequence in The Descent Part II. Start your waterfall immediately after the cop fires off his gun in the cave to the point until cave collapse is over and done with.

It's on standard DVD with a Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack, but it's mixed hot, like Star Wars Episodes I II III.

Sorry mate, but I dont have that film right now :(...will try to get it soon ok? ;)

meanwhile here is a capture of Percy jackson and the lightning thief...is the first fight with the minotaur (18 to 20 min in the movie)...some nice deep bass here :D ...enjoy it, and thanks all for the help!!;)

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/3342/capt10.jpg




Bye!!

You're doing it right. No worries.

I'll give you Kudo points if you do a waterfall for the cave collapse sequence in The Descent Part II. Start your waterfall immediately after the cop fires off his gun in the cave to the point until cave collapse is over and done with.

It's on standard DVD with a Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack, but it's mixed hot, like Star Wars Episodes I II III.


Ok mate, here you have...the scene of the cave collapse ;)

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3220/capt11.jpg

not bad :D

Can someone do a waterfall for Shutter Island? There is a scene where my room starts to vibrate out of the nowhere and nothing is happening on the screen, it must be for suspense. I am curious as to what frequency it is. Oh, other than that there are not many if any bass scenes.

..and what scene/timestamp?

Agreed that percy jackson was great in bass, especially hydra scene was siiick in lfe. :eek:

..and what scene/timestamp?

Agreed that percy jackson was great in bass, especially hydra scene was siiick in lfe. :eek:

Good question, I will have to watch it again. The funny thing is Leonardo was looking around and all of a sudden i felt bass waves shaking the room. I thought something was happening in the house and not from the movie. It was subtle and about the only part I noticed.

I don't buy discs often, but realize I am in need of some new "demo" material. I'm still using the old DVD of LOTR for a demo. I recently watched "Flight of the Phoenix" and "Hot Fuzz" on Bluray and it was painfully obvious that all the new equipment is not shining like it could/can!

I was going to spend $40 or so at Amazon today so that I had some material to use for demo over the next few years. What would your choice be if you were going to get 2 or 3 movies?

My cart currently has
1. Hot Fuzz- Loved the movie, and audio was astounding!
2. Terminator Salvation- Movie was only okay for us, but it seems to be highly rated for LFE
3. Transformers (the first)- I take it the second is preferable for LFE, but I couldn't stand the second as a movie. Loved the first though. Is it that much weaker?

Being in 2.35 is a huge plus too. Which all three of the above are.

Didn't include WOW, Cloverfield or Flight of the Phoenix as we didn't enjoy the movies.

I don't buy discs often, but realize I am in need of some new "demo" material. I'm still using the old DVD of LOTR for a demo. I recently watched "Flight of the Phoenix" and "Hot Fuzz" on Bluray and it was painfully obvious that all the new equipment is not shining like it could/can!

I was going to spend $40 or so at Amazon today so that I had some material to use for demo over the next few years. What would your choice be if you were going to get 2 or 3 movies?

My cart currently has
1. Hot Fuzz- Loved the movie, and audio was astounding!
2. Terminator Salvation- Movie was only okay for us, but it seems to be highly rated for LFE
3. Transformers (the first)- I take it the second is preferable for LFE, but I couldn't stand the second as a movie. Loved the first though. Is it that much weaker?

Being in 2.35 is a huge plus too. Which all three of the above are.

Didn't include WOW, Cloverfield or Flight of the Phoenix as we didn't enjoy the movies.

Easy, The Dark Night. It is a 4.5 star bass movie and the movie was great. It has low bass and slamming midbass. Transformers has great midbass as well. Iron man has good bass.

Wait a second, the Dark night is presented in IMAX on some of the great LFE scenes.

The Dark Knight is good. Ironman is good. As far as other movies that are actually "good" while keeping the bombacity of the sound track? The Hurtlocker is good but it's a dark and depressing movie, so I don't know how often you'd want to watch it. The new Sherlock Holmes had surprising bass and I thought was good. The incredible Hulk with Edward Norton has redonckulous bass but I don't know how good you'd consider the movie.

Hey, Ricci. Could you post up your settings for SpectrumLab? Ever since I got this new laptop of mine I cannot get the graph to look even that good. I miss how good it looked on my XP machine in my bedroom but I can't get it to look like that anymore. On my pc it is super blocky and very hard to see much detail at all. Argh! Frustrating.

Scott,

Here are my current settings. Note that I play with the frequency range, scroll speed and the FFT settings quite a bit depending on what I'm using it for. This should be most of the important stuff.

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/SLAudioIO.jpg
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/SLFFT.jpg
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/SLspectrum1.jpg
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/SLspectrum2.jpg
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/SLspectrum3.jpg
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/SLspectrum4.jpg

Thanks guys! The three I picked were because,

1. we liked the movie
2. they were 2.35 and
3. They come up in discussion of top LFE movies.

The only one I've seen with capable subs was "Hot Fuzz".

If Transformers is similar in base to Batman then I prefer Transformers as a movie.

Am I making a mistake with any of my choices from an LFE perspective?

Thanks for the suggestions thus far. You've never seen someone sweat over $40 like me. :o

Ricci is right and I always forget about it but did you like The Incredible Hulk(with Norton)? That is a great 5 star bass movie. I think the Dark Night had better bass than Transformers but not better than Transformers 2. Transformers has great midbass and there are a couple scenes with 20-25hz stuff but nothing really infrasonic. My go to Demo is always pods emerge from WOTW bluray. I think it is tops(bass). The sound canon's from The Incredible Hulk is incredible as well, also the last fight sequence is fantastic.

Placed an order for the three that were on my original list. Was about to switch out Transformers for Batman, but my wife called and said "no way". She didn't like the Batman and the kids LOVE Transformers. So in the end, I got a few great LFE discs and pleased the wife and kids all in one shake.

I'm most excited to get TS after reading all the reports here. Sounds like it will be a step up from my old DVD LOTR demo.

The Hulk and Ironman are on my list for the next purchase.

Thanks, Ricci. I'll compare your settings against mine and see if I can make some improvements. I sure hope so!

The mist have good demo scene in ending and terrific mark isham score there too... great low tones. Check it, if you are not seen it.:)

Ok mate, here you have...the scene of the cave collapse ;)

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3220/capt11.jpg

not bad :D

Thanks!

I just finished watching the Matrix trilogy. I had to marathon them in order to watch them all. The wife and kids were away at grandma's house!

I hadn't ever watched the last one, and really didn't even remember the second one.

I can't believe how much bass is in all three movies. They are all definitely 5 star bass movies in my book. The bass did get better as the day progressed though...:)

BTW, these were the first movies that I have watched with the Buttkicker LFE Kit I just purchased off eBay for $320 (including shipping). The Buttkicker is amazing. You can turn your bass trim down really low and still get that heavy bass sensation. I totally recommend the Buttkicker LFE Kit. Especially for those with furniture on carpet over cement like I have.

The gunshots in Edge of Darkness had bass to them; seemed similar to The Hurt Locker's pistol gunshots. The best one was when...

... the senator was shot.

Scott,

Here are my current settings. Note that I play with the frequency range, scroll speed and the FFT settings quite a bit depending on what I'm using it for. This should be most of the important stuff.

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/SLAudioIO.jpg
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/SLFFT.jpg
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/SLspectrum1.jpg
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/SLspectrum2.jpg
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/SLspectrum3.jpg
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Kallus42/Spectrum%20Lab/SLspectrum4.jpg


For sample rate you might want to use 48khz to match DD/DTS. I'm not sure what the affect in this usage would be if using a different sample rate from the source.

I just finished watching the Matrix trilogy. I had to marathon them in order to watch them all. The wife and kids were away at grandma's house!

I hadn't ever watched the last one, and really didn't even remember the second one.

I can't believe how much bass is in all three movies. They are all definitely 5 star bass movies in my book. The bass did get better as the day progressed though...:)

BTW, these were the first movies that I have watched with the Buttkicker LFE Kit I just purchased off eBay for $320 (including shipping). The Buttkicker is amazing. You can turn your bass trim down really low and still get that heavy bass sensation. I totally recommend the Buttkicker LFE Kit. Especially for those with furniture on carpet over cement like I have.

Absolutely agree with you mate!!!...Matrix trilogy is just amazing in bass department :eek:...I think they should be in the TOP 5 bass films ever (at least Matrix Revolutions)...incredible deep bass with great detail ;)...maybe I should do some waterfalls of matrix revolutions dont you think??:D

Bye!!

Absolutely agree with you mate!!!...Matrix trilogy is just amazing in bass department :eek:...I think they should be in the TOP 5 bass films ever (at least Matrix Revolutions)...incredible deep bass with great detail ;)...maybe I should do some waterfalls of matrix revolutions dont you think??:D

Bye!!

don't waste your time with matrix revolution, i did charts from it long time ago. will look of them and post back.

Here they are.:)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15984791&postcount=2779

A BIG +1 on the Matrix films as far as bass/LFE. 2 and 3 especially are just.......:eek::D

Just came from the theater and say Toy Story 3. I will be the first to say it will go down as one of the best bAss movies. I would also say it will detrone one of the kings cloverfield or WOW as the best!!!! Cross your fingers that this Audio track does Not change once it hits blu Ray.

Just came from the theater and say Toy Story 3. I will be the first to say it will go down as one of the best bAss movies. I would also say it will detrone one of the kings cloverfield or WOW as the best!!!! Cross your fingers that this Audio track does Not change once it hits blu Ray.

What!!!????? :eek:

Just came from the theater and say Toy Story 3. I will be the first to say it will go down as one of the best bAss movies. I would also say it will detrone one of the kings cloverfield or WOW as the best!!!! Cross your fingers that this Audio track does Not change once it hits blu Ray.

Toy Story 1 and 2 have some great bass scenes. Just not very many of them.

How would you compare (or rate) the three movies in those respects?

Toy Story 1 and 2 have some great bass scenes. Just not very many of them.

How would you compare (or rate) the three movies in those respects?

I have both toy story 1 and 2 and the third has more bass than both put together.

I concur Toy Story 3 should have some great bass. I say "should" because I didn't actually experience it correctly.... the theatre I watched it in had some distortion when it hit the really deep stuff. Not bad enough to ruin the movie, but it did make me aware that this movie hits lower than most (or the theatre would have probably already fixed the problem). Looking forward to this on blu-ray.

don't waste your time with matrix revolution, i did charts from it long time ago. will look of them and post back.

Ok!, thanks mate!!;)

For sample rate you might want to use 48khz to match DD/DTS. I'm not sure what the affect in this usage would be if using a different sample rate from the source.

It really doesn't matter because I just monitor the analog electrical signal out of the pre-outs.

Ok!, thanks mate!!;)

your welcome.:)

It really doesn't matter because I just monitor the analog electrical signal out of the pre-outs.

Ah.

On another note, Percy Jackson has some potent bass. It goes deep but also has a nice variety of bass effects throughout the movie.

I'll have to run that through speclab later.

Ah.

On another note, Percy Jackson has some potent bass. It goes deep but also has a nice variety of bass effects throughout the movie.

I'll have to run that through speclab later.

Haven't seen that yet. Might have to check it out.

One note about using the pre out method. I don't use internal EQ from the reciever on the subs I use an external unit. If you are using internal EQ from Audyssey or the like your SL would contain all of the EQ skewing too. No good in that case. You also have to account for the crossover roll off and the low end roll off of the pre-out itself. Mine are all flat till 7hz or lower. The stuff below there may be registering a few db low, but honestly who cares.

Watch any movies yet on your dual B&C 21's yet, Ricci?

Watching this movie as we speak and it has some really good bass scenes. One that impressed me is the tractor on the farm. Had continuious bass for about thirty seconds. Reminded me of the Pulse scene but not as low. Had my entire room pressurized and shaking. A few minutes after that the house burning down was also very good. This movie has some good bass throughout. There was even a nuclear explosion that was very good.

Just watched Resident Evil for the first time. Bass is insane, Check out the scene where the team is attempting to get into the Red Queen's chamber about 33 minutes in, the whole house was shakin.

Watch any movies yet on your dual B&C 21's yet, Ricci?

Not yet. I've been letting friends use them for bass guitar with a CE4000 for power. It's fun. A little excessive though :D. I'll get there eventually though. Should be making some good progress on the ported cabs the next couple of weeks.

Red Cliff, 2-part International version on Blu-Ray.

This is a recent big-budget Asian film about a historical Chinese conflict. LOTS of armies running everywhere, naval battles, sword fights, etc. Stunning, deep, loud bass. Some of the cleanest bass I've ever heard in a film. Contrast to Hot Fuzz, which I saw last week, which had lots of bass, but extremely messy sloppy bass that seemed to bleed way into mid-bass territory.

That's interesting, I thought Hot Fuzz was particularly clean bass.

That's interesting, I thought Hot Fuzz was particularly clean bass.

I thought so too. The bass was great in this movie. If you don't mind me asking what sub are you using.

Bought Flight Of The Phoenix the other day on BD and had a chance to watch it today....

Holy crap!!!! Easily a 5-star LFE movie just based on the Plane Barrel Roll alone. I was hitting 116dB+ during the barrel roll, probably closer to 120dB with RS SPL Meter corrections.

This barrel roll scene kicks the crap out of the barrel roll scene in Transformers, it's really no contest. Definitely one of my favorite LFE moments ever! I don't understand why Transformers is rated 4-stars for LFE to be honest.. District 9 and Sin City both have better LFE than Transformers imho, let alone many others that seem to go unmentioned in this thread.

We NEED more movies mixed like these LFE beasts WOTW, FOTP, Cloverfield etc. So many movies could be that much more enjoyable!

I thought so too. The bass was great in this movie. If you don't mind me asking what sub are you using.

Bori, my subs are a pair of the Danley DTS-10's. My mains are the Klipsch THX Ultra2's

XTC, I just experienced F of the P a few weeks ago myself! Pretty amazing stuff!

My taste is really for the tight, fast, hard hitting base instead of the extended rolling base. Like the quick blasts from guns, punches, etc.

Bought Flight Of The Phoenix the other day on BD and had a chance to watch it today....

Holy crap!!!! Easily a 5-star LFE movie just based on the Plane Barrel Roll alone. I was hitting 116dB+ during the barrel roll, probably closer to 120dB with RS SPL Meter corrections.

This barrel roll scene kicks the crap out of the barrel roll scene in Transformers, it's really no contest. Definitely one of my favorite LFE moments ever! I don't understand why Transformers is rated 4-stars for LFE to be honest.. District 9 and Sin City both have better LFE than Transformers imho, let alone many others that seem to go unmentioned in this thread.

We NEED more movies mixed like these LFE beasts WOTW, FOTP, Cloverfield etc. So many movies could be that much more enjoyable!

Transformers is a good midbass movie. FOTP plane crash scene is one of the best for bass and the best pressurization scene. I love how the room instantly pressurizes and lasts for a while.

Bought Flight Of The Phoenix the other day on BD and had a chance to watch it today....

Holy crap!!!! Easily a 5-star LFE movie just based on the Plane Barrel Roll alone. I was hitting 116dB+ during the barrel roll, probably closer to 120dB with RS SPL Meter corrections.

This barrel roll scene kicks the crap out of the barrel roll scene in Transformers, it's really no contest. Definitely one of my favorite LFE moments ever! I don't understand why Transformers is rated 4-stars for LFE to be honest.. District 9 and Sin City both have better LFE than Transformers imho, let alone many others that seem to go unmentioned in this thread.

We NEED more movies mixed like these LFE beasts WOTW, FOTP, Cloverfield etc. So many movies could be that much more enjoyable!

Flight of the Phoenix:
The barrel of aviation fuel exploding really impressed me, and both of my neighbors..
:)

Bori, my subs are a pair of the Danley DTS-10's. My mains are the Klipsch THX Ultra2's

XTC, I just experienced F of the P a few weeks ago myself! Pretty amazing stuff!

My taste is really for the tight, fast, hard hitting base instead of the extended rolling base. Like the quick blasts from guns, punches, etc.

Enough said.

I thought so too. The bass was great in this movie. If you don't mind me asking what sub are you using.

Two A7S-450. I will check my crossover settings again, but the Pioneer SC-05 only allows 50 or 80 hz. I think 60-80hz might be the problem, but I know 50 is too low. The ED eQ.2 I have gives me some additional play, though, I can try to dial that range down again.

Bought Flight Of The Phoenix the other day on BD and had a chance to watch it today....

Holy crap!!!! Easily a 5-star LFE movie just based on the Plane Barrel Roll alone. I was hitting 116dB+ during the barrel roll, probably closer to 120dB with RS SPL Meter corrections.

This barrel roll scene kicks the crap out of the barrel roll scene in Transformers, it's really no contest. Definitely one of my favorite LFE moments ever! I don't understand why Transformers is rated 4-stars for LFE to be honest.. District 9 and Sin City both have better LFE than Transformers imho, let alone many others that seem to go unmentioned in this thread.

We NEED more movies mixed like these LFE beasts WOTW, FOTP, Cloverfield etc. So many movies could be that much more enjoyable!

Agreed on FotP.........amazing!

If anything, I am actually a bit surprised Transformers is only a 4 star bass film. The last ~45 minutes is just loaded with fantastic mid-bass type stuff..........from the 1:42-2:12 mark is 30 minutes of the best HT audio there is IMO.

I do agree though that we need more WotW, FotP, Cloverfields, TIH, etc.......

What about the bass in Pulse?? I am pretty sure the neighbors could feel the bass. This is only a DVD Dolby Digital 5.1, Bluray come out in September.

Has anyone had a chance to see the crazies? Great bass in this flick.

Yes. The Crazies had GREAT bass through out the movie.

Bluevette, I have "Pulse" on HD-DVD and agree the bass in that movie is crazy insane, I mean for the computer entry scene, it actually felt like my room was breathing with the intesne pressure. :cool:

Rented Crazies and this weekend will check that out.

BTW have five subs in my main HT room. SVS BP12 NSD/2, dual DefTech SC 1's, Prosub 1000 (center channel MBM use only) and a DT Prosub 800 (rear channel MBM)

yes. The crazies had great bass through out the movie.

+1

Percy Jackson & the Olympians has some crazy bass. Movie might not be everybodys cup of tea but audio wise very well done.

What about the bass in Pulse?? I am pretty sure the neighbors could feel the bass. This is only a DVD Dolby Digital 5.1, Bluray come out in September.

Bluvette, the bluray is already out, I have a copy here at home.

Bluvette, the bluray is already out, I have a copy here at home.

Are they re-releasing it? You can get used copies here (http://www.amazon.com/PULSE-BLU-RAY/dp/B002UXYD3U/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1278030594&sr=8-2), or pre-order the new one here (http://www.amazon.com/Pulse-Blu-ray-Ian-Somerhalder/dp/B003Q7B7E2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1278030594&sr=8-4).

Still, I'll agree the dolby digital is crazy impressive.

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Pretty crap movie with lots of annoying jump scare bass, allmost every minute boom, booom, boboboom.:rolleyes:Though nuke, heli flyover and tractor scenes was nice and various gun shots to 20hz area.(most obvious the first one.).:cool:

Looks like PJ's Lightning THief is gonna kick!!

Infrasonic bass in gunshots... cool.:cool:

Mel shoots a car
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/edgeofdarknessmelshootscar.jpg

Mel shoots baddies
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/edgeofdarknessmelshootsbaddies.jpg

End shooting
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/edgeofdarknessendshooting.jpg

Percy Jackson & the Olympians has some crazy bass. Movie might not be everybodys cup of tea but audio wise very well done.

Saw it tonight - I'm adding it to my demo list and calling it a five star. Gave the tapped horn a lot to play with. The minotaur roar alone made my couch shiver in fear, never mind the fight with the hydra :D

Just watched The New Daughter tonight. Pretty decent movie, I enjoyed it and it had some decent bass moments as well but there's a scene at the last ~20 mins of the movie that sounds like a 25-35hz rumble that seemed to last for few minutes (not seconds) that sounded/felt impressive.

Saw it tonight - I'm adding it to my demo list and calling it a five star. Gave the tapped horn a lot to play with. The minotaur roar alone made my couch shiver in fear, never mind the fight with the hydra :D

I told u guys weeks ago this would be a bass hit!!!:)

Heh - I didn't have access to the movie weeks ago. Small town :(

For me, the fun part wasn't just all the loud subsonic stuff. There was one part during the hydra fight where the horn cut loose out of nowhere with some serious midbass output I felt in my chest like a bad case of heartburn. Had the SPL meter on for some of that scene, and I saw 112dB peaks at my normal listening volume. Usually, the horn stays below 108 at that listening level.

Anyway, that's why I'm giving it five stars, even though the movie itself isn't wall to wall LFE like some other fivers I have.

Lightning Thief was great suggestion. It's got fantastic sound overall with really great bass is several parts. It's the best movie for bass that I've run across in quite a while. All bass freaks need to see this movie.

Thank you Mike, I sincerely value your opinion in these matters, and am quite happy to hear your assessment of this movie's audio. I'll be renting this asap and let all know my take on it too.


Tim

Thanks, Tim. I hope you enjoy the movie. It will blow the cobwebs out of your subs, just in case you have any cobwebs.

Just watched Percy Jackson and the Olympians on Blu-ray.

I'm not quite sure how to put it into words. Watched it at -4 below reference. I'm still recovering from the experience.

Calling this demo quality would be the understatement of the year. This movie an all out assault on your aural senses. And the LFE is pure insanity.

If you watched this movie first and then followed it by watching say something like T2 Salvation or 9....You would laugh.

I want the autograph of the supervising sound editor and designer.

Maybe we can get some waterfalls for Percy Jackson?

I agree that Percy Jackson has some great bass. It was very surprising to say the least. The funny thing is I watched it from a download on the PS3 which was only 2 channel remixed by Prologic 2 for 5.1 which usually results in no bass. Even with this format my room was shaking. Can't wait to rent it on bluray and watch it at reference level.

On a side note The Last Airbender had powerful bass at the theater so maybe this could be a good one as well.

Maybe we can get some waterfalls for Percy Jackson?

Here's one: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18788703#post18788703

I agree that Percy Jackson has some great bass.

On a side note The Last Airbender had powerful bass at the theater so maybe this could be a good one as well.

Randy Thom did sound design and mixing on both "Percy" and "Airbender."

Bravo for Randy. In Percy Jackson, it's not only just great bass. The sound is great, period.

A fascinating article by Randy I just Googled across: http://filmsound.org/articles/designing_for_sound.htm

I see he also mixed on How to Train Your Dragon... another one I've been looking forward to :D

Anyone play the game Borderlands?

This is what happens when you use a gun with electricity power:

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9371/borderlandsbass.th.png (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/borderlandsbass.png/)

Bravo for ULF bass in a game.

Cool!

Reminds me of way back when I played around with F.E.A.R. on the PC. I did some plots from teh guns in the game. The shotgun and microwave gun had some super strong 1-5hz content.

Cool!

Reminds me of way back when I played around with F.E.A.R. on the PC. I did some plots from teh guns in the game. The shotgun and microwave gun had some super strong 1-5hz content.

Thanks! I'll have to check that one out!

Bravo for Randy. In Percy Jackson, it's not only just great bass. The sound is great, period.

+1

I just finished watching this and the sound is amazing all around. Definitely a 5-star bass (and Reference audio) movie. The best I have heard in a long time, although I thought Avatar was spectacular (minus the tree falling scene of course) as well.

Thanks! I'll have to check that one out!

You may want to check fallout3 too, lotsa infrabass in various gun's(especially assault rifles).:D

btw, just watched district 9 again...nice scene when that mothership starts those main trusters in end.:eek:

gotta watch out for the trusters!:p

gotta watch out for the trusters!:p

oops..typo.:o:p

Another one for the Crazies. 5/5 for LFE.
It's also a good movie too.

I know i should have watched it a looong time ago but Donnie Darko has a couple incredible bass slam scenes. Especialy when Frank and him are tapping the invisable field in between them. Shocked the crap out of me. I havent done the Finding Nemo tap scene yet but if it hits harder than that i will be really shocked.

... I havent done the Finding Nemo tap scene yet but if it hits harder than that i will be really shocked.

Umm, with a sub that can do it justice, you'll really be quite shocked. And that's an understatement. Really.


Tim

Another one for the Crazies. 5/5 for LFE.
It's also a good movie too.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. I thought there were only two great scenes(the first barn scene and ***spoiler*** the bomb at the end). There were a few nice gunshots and rockets but that was it. Personally, I'd put it at 3.5/5 or maybe 4/5.

As for the actual movie, to each his own. One of my best friends loved it(he's a zombie movie fan) and I thought it was alright.

Crazies was a four star for me. A couple good scenes, and that's about it.

Same for me with the Crazies, just ok. Book of Eli was better.

Just watched Percy Jackson at -5db from reference level:
sound is fantastic, LFE is amazing ;) .
A great 5/5 star !

Some waterfalls would be much appreciated :) !

Anybody know what chapter in benjamin button does the boat blow the horn? I was looking for it and couldn't find it. Nice bass in that scene.

Randy Thom did sound design and mixing on both "Percy" and "Airbender."

Bravo for Randy. In Percy Jackson, it's not only just great bass. The sound is great, period.

This is great news! Looking forward to some good LFE. How to Train Your Dragon is very high on my want list.

4/5 for The Crazies for me. Great bass movie;) The tractor scene is demo worthy IMO.

Anybody know what chapter in benjamin button does the boat blow the horn? I was looking for it and couldn't find it. Nice bass in that scene.

That scene was fantastic......I about **** myself when the horn blew!:eek:

Percy Jackson & the Olympians has some crazy bass. Movie might not be everybodys cup of tea but audio wise very well done.

I second that!

Bravo for Randy. In Percy Jackson, it's not only just great bass. The sound is great, period.

I completely agree. It's one of the best soundtracks I've heard.

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I knew there was a reason I liked this movie :D

Wow! A lot of content down to 10hz.

Clash of the Titans was good over all as well. Better than the Crazies but didn't keep up with Percy Jackson.

Absolutely agree with you mate!!!...Matrix trilogy is just amazing in bass department :eek:...I think they should be in the TOP 5 bass films ever (at least Matrix Revolutions)

I was waiting until I watched the three of them again before I posted my thoughts. I haven't seen any of these since well before I had the ability to tell a four star from a fiver.

Anyway, the first movie I'd say is a two and a half star. There was just about nothing there. It was loud without much bottom end. Second and third I would say are four star. Lots of good moments, but also a lot of moments that had me asking where all the bass was at.

Revolutions in particular was almost frustrating... there were lots of moments when I wanted more, like the giant drilling machine falling over; and moments when I wanted less, like when the giant face was talking and I barely understood what was being said around all the added bass.

I had to run all three hotter than normal to understand the dialogue, as well. Not sure I'm a big fan of the sound in general on these movies.

Anyhow, that's my opinion.

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Thanks very much to lfe man for the kind informations ;) !
Have a good day

I completely agree. It's one of the best soundtracks I've heard.

The bass was not really memorable at all in the theater! But I'm sure it really shines in our home theaters. Can't wait to give the bd a spin!

The bass was not really memorable at all in the theater! But I'm sure it really shines in our home theaters. Can't wait to give the bd a spin!

I didn't see it in the theaters and I probably never would have seen it if not for some of the posts in this thread. It really is an incredible soundtrack. I think you'll definitely enjoy it regardless of what you thought of the movie.

I was waiting until I watched the three of them again before I posted my thoughts. I haven't seen any of these since well before I had the ability to tell a four star from a fiver.

Anyway, the first movie I'd say is a two and a half star. There was just about nothing there. It was loud without much bottom end. Second and third I would say are four star. Lots of good moments, but also a lot of moments that had me asking where all the bass was at.

Revolutions in particular was almost frustrating... there were lots of moments when I wanted more, like the giant drilling machine falling over; and moments when I wanted less, like when the giant face was talking and I barely understood what was being said around all the added bass.

I had to run all three hotter than normal to understand the dialogue, as well. Not sure I'm a big fan of the sound in general on these movies.

Anyhow, that's my opinion.

Well, I saw Matrix 1 and 2 again too and well...I remembered them better than what they are ok, but revolutions is amazing for me!!:D...you are right with things like the giant drilling machine, wich is a bit lacking, but the final fight with agent Smith is worth for the whole movie!!:eek::D ...clean, clear, strong and DEEP bass!!!!(and long scene)...and something I like is that there is not much "high" bass (>30/40Hz) in the whole movie, wich makes the deepest notes to sound much more clear and less "annoying" or overdone wich is something that some films make...at least my BK Monolith makes a nice workout!!;)

Have to see Percy Jackson yet :D

Bye!!

Matrix 2 and 3 are 2 of my absolute favorite LFE movies still (watched these again not too long ago on HD-DVD). The highway chase scene in Reloaded is still..........:eek: and the last hour of Revolutions (for the most part) is just pure demo material with the Neo/Smith fight being the high point and is just jaw dropping .1 material IMO. Both are 5 star in my book.

Have to see Percy Jackson yet :D

Make sure you fasten your seat belt during the hydra fight :D

Revolutions does have its moments, yes, but I'm just not feeling five stars from it. Even from the final fight. I remember seeing it in the theater and being impressed with the LFE then, but now it just doesn't do it for me.

Make sure you fasten your seat belt during the hydra fight :D

Revolutions does have its moments, yes, but I'm just not feeling five stars from it. Even from the final fight. I remember seeing it in the theater and being impressed with the LFE then, but now it just doesn't do it for me.

The funny thing is that I have been hesitant to watch these films because I did not think they would stand the test of time as far as sound........I remember the last 2 films being VERY impressive as far as sound and LFE and I was preparing to be let down from my memories when I watched these. Well that moment never came and these 2 films are as good (or better?:confused::eek:) as I remember from a sound/LFE perspective.

Make sure you fasten your seat belt during the hydra fight :D

Revolutions does have its moments, yes, but I'm just not feeling five stars from it. Even from the final fight. I remember seeing it in the theater and being impressed with the LFE then, but now it just doesn't do it for me.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek::eek:

I saw PJ yesterday and....:eek::eek::D BRUTAL LFE movie, and very well done in my opinion...hydra fight is just amazing, my seat moved like crazy all the time!!, and the final fight in the top of the buildings has tons of deep rumble bass!! (and I dont have a sealed room :D)...awesome sound too for the entire movie ...5 stars for me ;)

bye!!

Anyone wanna do a waterfall of this?

^_^

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/06/23/128060851/former-gospel-singer-in-guinness-book-of-world-records-for-lowest-note-ever

Anyone wanna do a waterfall of this?




Done.
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http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/hydra.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/underworld.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/smokecloudarrivesny.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/endfightpart1.jpg
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I completely agree. It's one of the best soundtracks I've heard.

Two thumbs up for the LFE/sound in this movie ( Percy Jackson and the Olympians: The Lightning Thief)!

Just got my PJ from Amazon. Can't wait for the wife and baby to leave the house so I can really test it lol...