I can't wait to see how deep some of these scenes go, I am curious to see how much of a workout my subs are going to get.

There was a ton more bass then just those scenes. Every time the Transformers walked, my whole house would shake. My wife even said to me, "I thought you told me this DVD didn't have any Bass according to that list? Well, at least I'm getting a massage through the sofa, can you turn it up more?"

I do have to admit though, that instead of hearing action, they chose to go for music that was louder then the sound effects. I wasn't impressed with a lot of the fighting/shooting scenes, sound wise, but there was plenty of Bass with my PC13.

I only have those times from what I've seen people post, I don't own the movie nor have I rented it yet. So if theres more BASS then those scenes please mention them here.

Watched Transformers last night and WOW!! What a great movie for bass (great movie period IMHO). The scene at the end where the autobot dude is doing slow motion flips to avoid rocket fire is most impressive. My PB12 Plus delivered with authority, I almost cried :)

known as the `Ironhide flip' on AVS...

ADD THE REAPING, DP!

I rented it but didn't get past chapter one....there was plenty of solid bass in ch. one. If someone else could post on it it would be better. I didn't realize it centered around kids getting killed,etc...can't handle horror movies involving that...period!


1:32 (-5 @ 10Hz!!)

there's more in it ...just won't be posted by me-sorry.

Watched Transformers last night and WOW!! What a great movie for bass (great movie period IMHO). The scene at the end where the autobot dude is doing slow motion flips to avoid rocket fire is most impressive. My PB12 Plus delivered with authority, I almost cried :)

I wish I could feel your pain, but I don't have a PB12 plus. :rolleyes: Oh well, my heart goes out to you!


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c160/mailiang/Crying_face.gif



Ian :D

2 things I was surprised with on transformers:

1. Bass is present in almost every scene! Everytime Prime talks, a robot walks, or pretty much anything that isn't speaking gets a nice dose of bass. At first I thought my receiver's EQ was set bass-heavy by mistake by I had it on tone defeat - awesome :)

2. Chap 19 (1:55:50) FLOORED me in theaters but for some reason didn't impress me at home. I'm running 2.0 with Paradigm 60's so although I expected more I can understand not getting subwoofer-grade sound. There might be a setting for night-mode (dynamic compression I guess) on the tv I need to check out before getting too disheartened.

Seriously a good all-round great sounding movie.

Is Rise: Blood Hunter on the list? It has awesome bass throughout the movie.

Not yet, apparently only us 2 have seen the movie :confused:

I enjoyed the movie and it had some house crumbling bass!

I got transformers from netflix and watched on my pc. The DVD label was tranformers_vanilla
:)

Is Rise: Blood Hunter on the list? It has awesome bass throughout the movie.

I added it now

Regarding Transformers

Lowest tones are in ch2
0.03.51 8Hz
0.04.06 8Hz
0.04.15 8Hz

ch19 1.50.46 20Hz

These are in room measurements, can't read off the disc for some reason.

thx kweezr...mine will still be stereo charts til this time next month.

the 3:51 must be a LOT stronger on the LFE...nothing muc @ 8Hz although there are serious hits every 8 Hz above that.

Here is another good one

1:57:13

Megatron blasts Jazz
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/MegatronblastsJAZZ15713.jpg

40:03 (slo-mo of Scoponok coming up out of the ground behid the fleeing soldiers)appears to be just under re.f level @28 and 31 Hz....41:45 (heavy 20s)



Whoever thought a police cruiser driving by would look this good:
52:35
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Barricadeslowdrive-by.jpg
not the lowest bass but was almost as loud as the Ironhide `flip'

thx kweezr...mine will still be stereo charts til this time next month.

the 3:51 must be a LOT stronger on the LFE...nothing muc @ 8Hz although there are serious hits every 8 Hz above that.

Here is another good one

1:57:13

Megatron blasts Jazz
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/MegatronblastsJAZZ15713.jpg

40:03 (slo-mo of Scoponok coming up out of the ground behid the fleeing soldiers)appears to be just under re.f level @28 and 31 Hz....41:45 (heavy 20s)



Whoever thought a police cruiser driving by would look this good:
52:35
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Barricadeslowdrive-by.jpg
not the lowest bass but was almost as loud as the Ironhide `flip'


Are these measurements from the HD disc? It seemed to me on the standard DVD that most of the real impact was in the last action scene which was chapter 16. There was a short blast before that which was pretty deep and rocked the room but I didn't make a note of it.

Ian

I'm getting ready to post a few (16) waterfalls for Transformers. So bear with me.

Transformers


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2316/1648487789_66295c9d2a_o.jpg


Chap 2 (0:02:04)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2282/1648094495_9131ed351e_o.jpg


Chap 2 (0:03:51) (0:04:06) (0:04:15)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/1648965886_5936c07f89_o.jpg


Chap 5 (0:22:25)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2376/1648966068_c4b1367ae4_o.jpg


Chap 6 (0:27:45)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2411/1648095427_09e5e9c4d2_o.jpg

Transformers


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2316/1648487789_66295c9d2a_o.jpg


Chap 8 (0:38:55)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2409/1648966780_b3a28b2a3d_o.jpg


Chap 8 (0:39:15)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2119/1648095991_ae24ef6d57_o.jpg


Chap 8 (0:39:50 - 0:40:03)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2073/1648096291_690a811ad5_o.jpg


Chap 8 (0:43:00)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2185/1648967718_94770c7897_o.jpg

Transformers


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2316/1648487789_66295c9d2a_o.jpg


Chap 9 (0:52:40)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2040/1648968114_be92cd17e3_o.jpg


Chap 11 (1:03:10)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2386/1648968372_92d21c002f_o.jpg


Chap 11 (1:03:50)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2208/1648097515_a16f50796d_o.jpg


Chap 19 (1:50:39 - 1:50:46)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2154/1648969038_aef6cada67_o.jpg

Transformers


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2316/1648487789_66295c9d2a_o.jpg


Chap 19 (1:55:50 - 1:56:07)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2245/1648969410_875721aa53_o.jpg


Chap 20 (1:57:13)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2038/1648969724_f23d53af88_o.jpg


Chap 21 (2:04:40)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2316/1648098883_8b8d462ef7_o.jpg


Chap 22 (2:11:26 - 2:11:46)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2404/1648099211_e5a9ffc1c5_o.jpg

Hope I did OK with the "falls" took me like 2 hours. Havnt even watched the movie yet, had the sound down so as not to spoil it for when I really watch it.

Thanks a lot for the 'falls DrPain. :D

good job..

How about a waterfall of the Ironman trailer that can be accessed at the end of the credits in TF? With all the threads discussing lack of bass on this disc, and the trailer having more bass than any scene in Transformers, it would be fun to compare. You immediately notice what was missing during the movie when you watch the trailer.

IronMan Trailer on Transformers DVD


Near The End...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2009/1667277820_21e515a14a_o.jpg

Are these measurements from the HD disc? It seemed to me on the standard DVD that most of the real impact was in the last action scene which was chapter 16. There was a short blast before that which was pretty deep and rocked the room but I didn't make a note of it.

Ian
this was SD..I did have BB send me the HD DVD because it had played `We are Marshall' fine but the HD DVD 1 would not play on my comp @ all....

Oct, 21, 2007

Added more time stamps for:

"Transformers" HD-DVD
1. Chap 2 (0:02:04)
2. Chap 2 (0:03:51)
3. Chap 2 (0:04:06)
4. Chap 2 (0:04:15)
5. Chap 5 (0:22:25)
6. Chap 6 (0:27:45)
7. Chap 8 (0:38:55)
8. Chap 8 (0:39:15)
9. Chap 8 (0:39:50 - 0:40:03)
10. Chap 8 (0:43:00)
11. Chap 9 (0:52:40)
12. Chap 11 (1:03:10)
13. Chap 11 (1:03:50)
14. Chap 19 (1:50:39-46)
15. Chap 19 (1:55:50 - 1:56:07)
16. Chap 20 (1:57:13)
17. Chap 21 (2:04:40) 20Hz
18. Chap 22 (2:11:26-44)

What really knocked the air out my chest late in the film, when bubble bee is strap to the crane and he is shooting the decepticon dude:eek: Very scary stuff....How low was that :confused:


Djoel

I just watched The Reaping.:eek: I would put it very high on my list for impact. Enough talk about Transformers. Lets get ready to rum....ble, the Reaping by far should come out on top!


Ian :D

What really knocked the air out my chest late in the film, when bubble bee is strap to the crane and he is shooting the decepticon dude:eek: Very scary stuff....How low was that :confused:


Djoel

it was listed above... low 20's

(2:04:40)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2316/1648098883_8b8d462ef7_o.jpg

I just watched The Reaping.:eek: I would put it very high on my list for impact. Enough talk about Transformers. Lets get ready to rum....ble, the Reaping by far should come out on top!


Ian :D
told ya.

This movie had plenty of bass throughout. If you like the hills have eyes you will enjoy this sick movie!

The wife and I really liked the first one. I didn't have the PC13 at that time, so I don't know what the Bass was like.

Oct, 21, 2007

Added more time stamps for:

"Transformers" HD-DVD ***NEW***
1. Chap 2 (0:02:04)
2. Chap 2 (0:03:51)
3. Chap 2 (0:04:06)
4. Chap 2 (0:04:15)
5. Chap 5 (0:22:25)
6. Chap 6 (0:27:45)
7. Chap 8 (0:38:55)
8. Chap 8 (0:39:15)
9. Chap 8 (0:39:50 - 0:40:03)
10. Chap 8 (0:43:00)
11. Chap 9 (0:52:40)
12. Chap 11 (1:03:10)
13. Chap 11 (1:03:50)
14. Chap 19 (1:50:39-46)
15. Chap 19 (1:55:50 - 1:56:07)
16. Chap 20 (1:57:13)
17. Chap 21 (2:04:40) 20Hz
18. Chap 22 (2:11:26-44)

I am putting together a Demo DVD with just these tracks on it. I will let you know when it is ready.

Has anyone seen this movie? (5ive Girls) I watched it today and it had good bass. This film has good bass, sexy woman and the movie is also not too bad. Check it out you will not be disappointed. Let me know what you think when you watch it. By the way the Toshiba XA2 does a terrific job of upscaling the movie!

SPIDER-MAN 3;

24:01 `the de-molecularization' sequence hits 0 at 37 HZ...anyone feel free to post more.

I'm this forum's biggest Spider-man fan and this movie was a letdown.

1:56:27
2:02:04
2:05:51

nothing deep though

There were a few other scenes, but not many. I'll have to go through it again to get some stamps.

"Blood Diamond"

Watched it last night on TV, and it had some good bass.

Oct 31, 2007

Added:

5ive Girls
Blood Diamond HD-DVD Blu-ray
Spider-Man 3 Blu-ray
Wrong Turn 2

"Spider-Man 3" Blu-ray
1. Chap ? (0:24:01)
2. Chap ? (1:56:27)
3. Chap ? (2:02:04)
4. Chap ? (2:05:51)

oops sorry on the chaps..only skimmed through the dvd and then returned it....

so far this year:

0 for 2 on summer blockbuster LFE!

Transformers & SM3 both disappointed!

If you were disappointed in Transformers for LFE, you need to buy yourself a new subwoofer! That had crazy amounts of deep bass throughout the whole movie, look up 6 posts, it had 18 scenes with Bass.

If you were disappointed in Transformers for LFE, you need to buy yourself a new subwoofer! That had crazy amounts of deep bass throughout the whole movie, look up 6 posts, it had 18 scenes with Bass.


True. But the output levels when compared to other movies like WOTW, The Incredibles, Pulse, Sky Captain etc.... weren't as hot.


Ian

I'll agree, as I have two kids under the age of 2 and have watched the Incredibles, All Pixar movies, Skrek, etc.

When you listen at good levels (-35 on my Yammy w/PC13U) it was room shaking bass.

If you were disappointed in Transformers for LFE, you need to buy yourself a new subwoofer! That had crazy amounts of deep bass throughout the whole movie, look up 6 posts, it had 18 scenes with Bass.

I wasn't disappointed, just not satisfied.
I've got a good sub
I know the 18 scenes, since I posted all those timestamps and waterfalls.

My disappointment was based on:

1: THe LFE was nowhere near what has been hyped in the DTS version..

2) THe waterfall charts alone showed it wasn't that great..little above -20 Db


CAN ANYONE POST the waterfall to the demolecularization of Sandman in SM3 (the ref. level hit)??

Captivity. Great sound effects and lots of solid scary bass. I wish more DVD's were in DTS ES.


Ian

Captivity. Great sound effects and lots of solid scary bass. I wish more DVD's were in DTS ES.


Ian

Is "Captivity" in DTS-ES ?

Is "Captivity" in DTS-ES ?

Yes. That was the point. ;)


Ian

ANYONE seen `Solar Attack'?? A cheezy,cheap `end of the world' type of movie but it has good 20-50 Hz bass throughout! A $2M budget can only go so far. Only 5.1 `Digital stereo' whatever that is!

NOT recommended but it does have a ton of bass !

I see in these lists of DVD's with great bass/LFE.. some mention specific frequencies of 5 Hz, 8 Hz, 20 Hz etc...but how are people determining what these frequencies are? I've googled around for "sound frequency meters" and have come up with nothing.

On the side, I was watching Spider-Man 3 last night (2-Disc DVD version) and there was one section during the demolecularization of Sandman mentioned in a previous post is probably the strongest and extended (4-5 seconds) bass I've ever heard in a DVD. And I don't even have a sub yet (the bass is pouring out of my pair of Boston VR2 floor fronts). Will compare it to SM2 "Tridium" scene..but from memory this scene in SM3 is even stronger.

Thanks

Sorry for being a newbie, I am still learning about all the info on LFE's, bass, subwoofers, etc, but when people mention heavy bass in a certain section speaking of, e.g. "When you listen at good levels (-35 on my Yammy w/PC13U) it was room shaking bass." .. where is this level shown? I am assuming you mean -35dB .. is that the "frequency response"? Is that describing how high you have the subwoofer turned up in your receiver or what? Thanks for an explanation and/or a link or two of website talking about this. Thanks.

Regarding Transformers

Lowest tones are in ch2
0.03.51 8Hz
0.04.06 8Hz
0.04.15 8Hz

ch19 1.50.46 20Hz

These are in room measurements, can't read off the disc for some reason.

What test equipment do you/are you using to determine the frequencies?

Any Rataouillie(sp?) w'falls? JUst got mine...bought for my kids. ALONG with my first HD A3 and 10 movies!WOOHOO!! I'm finally getting somewhere HTwise!:D:D:D No HD tv yet but it's coming within a week!:D

I see in these lists of DVD's with great bass/LFE.. some mention specific frequencies of 5 Hz, 8 Hz, 20 Hz etc...but how are people determining what these frequencies are? I've googled around for "sound frequency meters" and have come up with nothing.

On the side, I was watching Spider-Man 3 last night (2-Disc DVD version) and there was one section during the demolecularization of Sandman mentioned in a previous post is probably the strongest and extended (4-5 seconds) bass I've ever heard in a DVD. And I don't even have a sub yet (the bass is pouring out of my pair of Boston VR2 floor fronts). Will compare it to SM2 "Tridium" scene..but from memory this scene in SM3 is even stronger.

Thanks

DL4YHF's Amateur Radio Software:
Audio Spectrum Analyzer
("Spectrum Lab")

http://freenet-homepage.de/dl4yhf/spectra1.html

example, the red (BASS) in the graph goes down below 10Hz

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2376/1648966068_c4b1367ae4_o.jpg

Any Rataouillie(sp?) w'falls? JUst got mine...bought for my kids. ALONG with my first HD A3 and 10 movies!WOOHOO!! I'm finally getting somewhere HTwise!:D:D:D No HD tv yet but it's coming within a week!:D

What TV you getting? Nice to hear your coming along.

I'm getting a 1080p 47" Westinghouse later this week, with the XBOX HD-DVD drive.

Does "Ratatouille" have any worth while scenes?

it had plenty of bass in the theatre..that's for sure..
My top 3 would be:
Panasonic
Samsung
Sony/Sharp

Wife loved the 50" 1080P Panny in the little ht booth @ BB but that's wayyy too high...I could do my whole 5.1 setup for that..she did like having a surround spkr behind her head on a stand but that is definately down the road a bit...unfortunately.

Nov. 7, 2007

Recap of recently added:


5ive Girls
1408
Black Sheep
Captivity DTS-ES
Death Proof
Live Free or Die Hard Blu-ray
Next HD-DVD
The Reaping HD-DVD Blu-ray
Severance
Solar Attack
Species IV: The Awakening
Spider-Man 3 Blu-ray
Transformers SE HD-DVD
Wrong Turn 2

it had plenty of bass in the theatre..that's for sure..
My top 3 would be:
Panasonic
Samsung
Sony/Sharp

Wife loved the 50" 1080P Panny in the little ht booth @ BB but that's wayyy too high...I could do my whole 5.1 setup for that..she did like having a surround spkr behind her head on a stand but that is definately down the road a bit...unfortunately.

whats your budget?

Looks like "Harry Potter: Order of the Phoenix" has some good BASS

Link: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12145645#post12145645

will add it soon,

well 6 months ago I could get a 50" Panny for under $1,400..must've been last year's model because I can't find one in that range now...unless it's online and I'm NOT risking it getting damaged or stolen by UPS,etc!

I was set for over 18 months for a projector purchase but mywife shot that option down. Her cash is getting it all and she's making sure I remember that.

..unless it's online and I'm NOT risking it getting damaged or stolen by UPS,etc!

It can be still damaged if you buy in store, its gotta take the same truck or plane as if it went direct to your house.

http://img.tesco.com/pi/entertainment/DVD/LF/800739_DV_L_F.jpg

DIE HARD 4.0 practically the whole film.:p

Is it just me or does the Dolby Digital in Transformers show that it is sub par between 1:59:04 and 1:59:07 in the standard DVD? The girl says "I am really glad I got in the car". The audio totally craps out with all kinds of crackling even at low volume levels. Did anyone else notice this? Does the HD-DVD DD+ exhibit the same affect?

I assume you are referring to Transformers. If so, I had no audio problems with the DD track.

I assume you are referring to Transformers. If so, I had no audio problems with the DD track.


I watched the standard version and it was fine. You may have received a faulty DVD. If you purchased it, I would exchange it for another one.


Ian

I'm just curious .. -35 is about how loud in terms of decibels on your system?

I'll agree, as I have two kids under the age of 2 and have watched the Incredibles, All Pixar movies, Skrek, etc.

When you listen at good levels (-35 on my Yammy w/PC13U) it was room shaking bass.

http://img.tesco.com/pi/entertainment/DVD/LF/800739_DV_L_F.jpg

DIE HARD 4.0 practically the whole film.:p


Why do you blokes, always get the good ones before us yanks! :(


Ian :D

Why do you blokes, always get the good ones before us yanks! :(


Ian :D

You can always import the region 2 to your shores just in the same way most Brits have for the past several years. The region 2 DVD is a firecracker, thou if you want it with audio commentary that’s only available on the front cover design that you see in front of you. The two disc version DIE HARD 4.0 doesn’t included the commentary track.

Another Bass sub bass LFE.1 blaster is, Thunderbirds Are Go! (2004) this one packs a delightful punch for thunderbirds fans and kids alike.

http://img.tesco.com/pi/entertainment/DVD/LB/604093_DV_L_B.jpghttp://img.tesco.com/pi/entertainment/DVD/LF/604093_DV_L_F.jpg

The launch of thunderbird 5, chapter 4, 22m:33s “check retros” “Go” Kaboom a nice deep low will pound you with a good decent sub. Go to maximum thrust, with a combination of three-screen low end and LFE.1 working together.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w118/Brainstorm3417/Tunderbirdsarego1.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w118/Brainstorm3417/Thunderbirdsarego2.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w118/Brainstorm3417/Thunderbirdsarego3.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w118/Brainstorm3417/Thunderbirdsarego4.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w118/Brainstorm3417/Thunderbirdsarego8.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w118/Brainstorm3417/Thunderbirdsarego9.jpg

I watched the standard version and it was fine. You may have received a faulty DVD. If you purchased it, I would exchange it for another one.


Ian

Watch the specific scene that I referenced. 1:59:03 through 1:59:07. You will see what I mean. I just wonder if it occurs on the HD-DVD.

Watch the specific scene that I referenced. 1:59:03 through 1:59:07. You will see what I mean. I just wonder if it occurs on the HD-DVD.

Sorry, mine was a rental.


Ian

Ratatouille:
Lightning strike
ch. 3 6:44
ch.4/5 9:50 (down to 10 Hz)
:ch.5 13:00-36
ch.8 21:12-23:04
ch.20 1:10:24-51

Ratatouille:
Lightning strike
ch. 3 6:44
ch.4/5 9:50 (down to 10 Hz)
:ch.5 13:00-36
ch.8 21:12-23:04
ch.20 1:10:24-51

Here all this time I thought you were kidding :p:D:cool:

Nov 8, 2007

Added:


"Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" HD-DVD Blu-ray
Chap 1 (0:02:30 - 0:03:15)
Chap 3 (0:10:50)
Chap 5 (0:18:00)
Chap 6 (0:20:50)
Chap 19 (1:19:00 - 1:19:50)
Chap 20 (1:23:00)
Chap 20 (1:25:10)
Chap 27 (1:52:10 - 1:53:10)
Chap 28 (1:55:30 - 1:56:40)
Chap 29 (1:58:00)
Chap 29 (2:00:10)

"Ratatouille" Blu-ray
Chap 3 (0:06:44)
Chap 4/5 (0:09:50) 10Hz
Chap 5 (0:13:00 - 0:13:36)
Chap 8 (0:21:12 - 0:23:04)
Chap 20 (1:10:24 - 1:10:51)

"Thunderbirds"
Chap 4 (0:22:33)

Is it just me or does the Dolby Digital in Transformers show that it is sub par between 1:59:04 and 1:59:07 in the standard DVD? The girl says "I am really glad I got in the car". The audio totally craps out with all kinds of crackling even at low volume levels. Did anyone else notice this? Does the HD-DVD DD+ exhibit the same affect?

Yes! The same thing happened to me. HD-DVD version of Transformers, but my audio is only 640kbps Dolby Digital because it's going through optical. Yeah, it bugs the heck out of me! The rest of the movie is problem-free (though I was a bit disappointed by the LFE levels...), but that few seconds is AWFUL! I wonder how many other people have experienced this issue...

Yes! The same thing happened to me. HD-DVD version of Transformers, but my audio is only 640kbps Dolby Digital because it's going through optical. Yeah, it bugs the heck out of me! The rest of the movie is problem-free (though I was a bit disappointed by the LFE levels...), but that few seconds is AWFUL! I wonder how many other people have experienced this issue...

It may be an issue on only certain DVDs depending on the lot.


Ian

I just tried the HD-DVD version of Transformers and I don't here the crackling at all during that scene. I am also down converting the DD+ to DD.

I must have a bad copy of Transformers HD DVD also because the LFE levels really stink. Now I am using a Pio Elite 84 with a known -10 db LFE bug - but even turning the sub channel up +10 dB I get almost no shaking effects. Even during the beginning helicopter and battle scene. Just got a new SVS PB12-Plus and was really hoping this movie would make it work.

You could check it against other movies off of this list.

You could check it against other movies off of this list.

Yeah thats my next plan. Tried it with a music CD and there was a lot more bass then my old setup for sure. I have the 300 HD DVD so I'll try that, but I think it's the only HD DVD I have on the list. I guess I can try tLotR SD DVDs also.

I don't normally post in this thread but do check it a lot. Transformers was a strange movie for bass, it seemed there was a lot of bass throughout the normal soundtrack but when something blew up and you wanted to duck the bass was not there. It seemed like when something blew up they lowered the bass or something. Wouldn't want to scare the kids would we? Of course we would.

I rewatched Transformers after the Toshiba XA2 FW update and I have to say the movie is a reference movie for audio. Tons of bass and great PQ.
I am currently using the Onkyo 805 with XA2 with 2 PS212 subwoofers and infinity speakers all around.

I don't normally post in this thread but do check it a lot. Transformers was a strange movie for bass, it seemed there was a lot of bass throughout the normal soundtrack but when something blew up and you wanted to duck the bass was not there. It seemed like when something blew up they lowered the bass or something. Wouldn't want to scare the kids would we? Of course we would.

That's how it seemed to me too. It wasn't lacking in bass, but sometimes big explosions seemed muffled and not very visceral. Granted I'm not running a really high-end system, but I do have an SVS PB10-NSD and an Infinity PS212 in an 11'x10'x8' room and the bass levels for explosions can be weak. Probably just the mixer's intent...I guess I just don't agree with it :rolleyes:

And now it really bothers me about that section that distorts when Megan Fox tells Sam "I'm glad I got in the car with you"...the other person that was having the issue said it's fine for him on the HD-DVD version...oh well...still a great movie with incredible sound, minor quibbles aside.

That's how it seemed to me too. It wasn't lacking in bass, but sometimes big explosions seemed muffled and not very visceral. Granted I'm not running a really high-end system, but I do have an SVS PB10-NSD and an Infinity PS212 in an 11'x10'x8' room and the bass levels for explosions can be weak.

That's because good subs don't manufacture bass that's not there, regardless of how powerful they are.

Ian ;)

That's because good subs don't manufacture bass that's not there, regardless of how powerful they are.

Ian ;)

Time to dust off that old Sony HTIB sub then, huh? ;). Actually I just got a firmware update and messed with a couple settings with my A3 and bass has really improved. There must have been a weird setting or something that got fixed either when I updated the firmware or when I changed settings, but the bass is definitely better now - not insane, random rumbling, but the level of bass seems to fit what's going on on screen better now.

Transformers is not a reference film for bass. There are some very good snippets here and there but overall many sound cues are lacking or missing altogether.

Transformers is not a reference film for bass. There are some very good snippets here and there but overall many sound cues are lacking or missing altogether.

I agree completely. It's not that it's bad, in fact, the surround noise is excellent, but LFE was underwhelming. Present, but Just could have been so much more.
For those that think it is a reference level type showoff LFE movie, You guys are really going to be surprised when you watch and listen to some of the other movies mentioned throughout this entire thread. It's just that some of us were really spoiled before we heard transformers and expected much more.

PIXAR Short Films-Lifted
Just about the entire short has room rumbling bass in it.

Yes! The same thing happened to me. HD-DVD version of Transformers, but my audio is only 640kbps Dolby Digital because it's going through optical. Yeah, it bugs the heck out of me! The rest of the movie is problem-free (though I was a bit disappointed by the LFE levels...), but that few seconds is AWFUL! I wonder how many other people have experienced this issue...

No crackling here on the standard DVD

No crackling here on the standard DVD

Maybe I'll rent the SD DVD and see if it happens there. i could've just gotten a bad disc.

+1 It's one of my favorite movie being a tranformers cartoon fan .. Some bass .. but not reference quality ..

Transformers is not a reference film for bass. There are some very good snippets here and there but overall many sound cues are lacking or missing altogether.

I rewatched Transformers after the Toshiba XA2 FW update and I have to say the movie is a reference movie for audio. Tons of bass and great PQ.
I am currently using the Onkyo 805 with XA2 with 2 PS212 subwoofers and infinity speakers all around.

What did I start here? If you look at my post I stated it was a reference HD DVD for audio. Yes it has tons of bass but, audio means overall performance not just bass.:D

seems this thread is transforming into something else...

:rolleyes:

Based on this (http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/1093/livefreeordiehard.html) review for the Blu-ray of Live Free or Die Hard I think we will be adding another movie to the list soon.

The reviewer said:

Dynamics are also pounding. 'Live Free or Die Hard' delivers some of the deepest and most forceful low bass I've heard in my eighteen months of reviewing next-gen titles.

Can't wait to get this home and test it out with my dual HO's :D

Live Free or Die hard
There are many scenes, but this one is the lowest with the most volume.
ch15 0.42.29

How low kweezr?

I'll measure the scene today, BD vs DVD

Cool, thanks ;)

Until Death
The Amityville horror

Live Free or Die hard
There are many scenes, but this one is the lowest with the most volume.
ch15 0.42.29

I watched this movie also and it did have really good scenes with bass.

I miss the ol' waterfall lovin' kweezr......anyone checked out Red Dawn (still waiting here)?

I don't normally post in this thread but do check it a lot. Transformers was a strange movie for bass, it seemed there was a lot of bass throughout the normal soundtrack but when something blew up and you wanted to duck the bass was not there. It seemed like when something blew up they lowered the bass or something. Wouldn't want to scare the kids would we? Of course we would.
I completely agree. I was expecting great bass audio, but found it was lacking. The movie was great overall, but it seemed like the bass was a pretty much constant throughout the film- excessive when it shouldn't be, lacking when it should have been loud, muffled the whole time.

System: 5xGallo Nucleus Micro, SB12+ (crossed at 120 Hz, +/- 6dB calibrated from 27Hz-115Hz)

The hard corps
Storm catcher
Absolute Zero
The black hole

I miss the ol' waterfall lovin' kweezr......anyone checked out Red Dawn (still waiting here)?

Do you mean Rescue Dawn?:rolleyes:

Anybody up for an AVS waterfall thread?

Spiderman 3


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12299757#post12299757

The hard corps
Storm catcher
Absolute Zero
The black hole

where do you find these movies?

and what sub do you have?

Do you mean Rescue Dawn?:rolleyes:yes and went into BB after reserving RED Dawn today..luckily she swapped it for me!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

where do you find these movies?

and what sub do you have?

Well I find these movies at places where DVD's are sold

The HTIB I am using is the Durabrand HT319 without DVD player which is worth A lot more than it's current pricetag.

Durascam??

Added:

"Rescue Dawn" Blu-ray
1. Chap 3 (0:11:00)
2. Chap 6 (0:22:28 - 0:23:01)
3. Chap 7 (0:25:11 - 0:25:20)

Added:

"Live Free or Die Hard" SE Blu-ray
1. Chap 15 (0:42:29) 18Hz
2. Chap 33 8-14Hz

Live free was pretty good IMO. The three parts that really stood out were the car flip in the tunnel, when the natural gas gets sent back, and the entire scene with the truck and jet.

the entire scene with the truck and jet.

I was watching this DVD at 12:30 AM yesterday. I had to turn down the volume when this scene came up out of fear. My wife was upstairs on the third floor of my townhouse sleeping and I was afraid I would wake her. :eek: I'll rerun the scene later today closer to referance levels to see what it's like.:)


Ian :D

It was a great scene. My level was not near reference. But it was still quite fun. I had it low then I bumped it up a bit. There was a definite difference. Let us know what it is like at that level. I need to wait until I have the place to myself before I can juice it a bit. What sub do you have?

Can I get some precise times and chapters for "Live Free or Die Hard", please.

Thanks

I might be able to get some tonight.

I might be able to get some tonight.

What are you planning on getting! :D

We'd like to know what exactly you are talking about.:p

What are you planning on getting! :D

We'd like to know what exactly you are talking about.:p

You know. Not every one has there mind in the gutter(I do by the way). If I need to be clear, I will try and get timestamps for those scenes. OK? Is there any question about that?:D

It was a great scene. My level was not near reference. But it was still quite fun. I had it low then I bumped it up a bit. There was a definite difference. Let us know what it is like at that level. I need to wait until I have the place to myself before I can juice it a bit. What sub do you have?


Don't laugh. I have two Velo VX10's facing the opposite wall, 2ft in front of my mains, 3ft from each corner and about 6ft apart. My room size is 10X20X8. My HT area is 10X10. Togeather at referance, they will reach down to 25hz easily, running balanced.


Ian

Reference down to 25Hz is pretty good. That room is not to bad(big). I have a Seaton SubMersive1 in a room that is just under 1000cf. I know I know, I am insane.

Dear woman
cigarette burns
Pick me up
The river king
Hostage
shadow of fear (lacey chabert is hot)
The Quiet
The bone collector
breaking all the rules

Dear woman
cigarette burns
Pick me up
The river king
Hostage
shadow of fear (lacey chabert is hot)

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c160/mailiang/lacey-chabert-07010606.jpg


The Quiet
The bone collector
breaking all the rules

Sorry Doc, I couldn't resist.


Ian ;)

Can I get some precise times and chapters for "Live Free or Die Hard", please.

Thanks

This is what I came up with: My titles for the scenes.
Apartment shootout:chap 5 11:48
Helo-assult/car flip:chap 14-15 38:00
Send the gas:chap 23 78:47
Truck/Jet:Chap 32 108:00
Now those are start times. For the most part, they are fairly lengthy clips. Hope that helps.

This is what I came up with: My titles for the scenes.
Apartment shootout:chap 5 11:48
Helo-assult/car flip:chap 14-15 38:00
Send the gas:chap 23 78:47
Truck/Jet:Chap 32 108:00
Now those are start times. For the most part, they are fairly lengthy clips. Hope that helps.

thanks, will add them soon

Reference down to 25Hz is pretty good. That room is not to bad(big). I have a Seaton SubMersive1 in a room that is just under 1000cf. I know I know, I am insane.


Insane aint the word! :D

This is what I came up with: My titles for the scenes.

Send the gas:chap 23 78:47
Truck/Jet:Chap 32 108:00


can you verify these times please

Insane aint the word! :D

Hey now, play nice :).
Yea, it makes for a fun experience with many of these movies

can you verify these times please

You think they are off?
I will try and do it tonight.

You think they are off?
I will try and do it tonight.

I dont know if they are off? but the punctuation is

Send the gas:chap 23 78:47 - 78 min? is that 1:18:00 ?

Truck/Jet:Chap 32 108:00 -- ??

resist harder next time. :confused::mad::rolleyes:;):eek::(

I can only Imagine what that would be!

Hey now, play nice :).
Yea, it makes for a fun experience with many of these movies

It was only a joke. :)

but the higher I dial in bass of the durabrand HTIB the more Intense the bassgasm!:D

I know it was a joke. We are cool. Trust me, I thought I was insane to do this. But I said, why not. If Mark says it would be fun, who am I to argue. Besides, it's nice to know that I have some extra headroom.

I dont know if they are off? but the punctuation is

Send the gas:chap 23 78:47 - 78 min? is that 1:18:00 ?

Truck/Jet:Chap 32 108:00 -- ??

Yes. My dvd player runs it consecutive time so the 78 is 1:18:00 and the 108 min is 1:48:00. Sorry for the confusion.

Ok doc, Rush; Rush in rio (concert dvd) no not the concert itself, but at around timestamp 1:13 They begin the second half of the concert w/ a dragon video. the bass that this puts out is almost as intense as the "pulse scene" maybe stronger but not as deep (at least i don't think). But reference bass for sure. Ive had this dvd for a while now but always skipped this scene. Now i'll use it as my bass demo!

Has any one checked out Pirates of the Caribbean, at world's end?


Ian

rush in rio (http://www.rushinrio.com/)

Has any one checked out Pirates of the Caribbean, at world's end?


IanI speclabbed it...a ton of bass just like the others...the 2:08:00+ climax has a ton under 10 Hz.

I speclabbed it...a ton of bass just like the others...the 2:08:00+ climax has a ton under 10 Hz.

Hi-

Are you going to post it?
:D

Thanks,

Hi-

Are you going to post it?
:D

Thanks,

Exactly :D

I speclabbed it...a ton of bass just like the others...the 2:08:00+ climax has a ton under 10 Hz.

does it have DTS, THX ?

does it have DTS, THX ?

Not the standard versions.


Ian

everybody knows my setup for Speclab is through my comp..need the LFE guys to chime in.

everybody knows my setup for Speclab is through my comp..need the LFE guys to chime in.

So... you should be able to read it straight off the dvd. Thats how I do it. My comp is no where near my HT.

yes but 2 channel bass usually has a lot more bass than the actual LFE channel. I don't have POTC now (returned it)...will have Bourne 2sday but it's HD and won't work on my comp. PLENTY and I mean PLENTY of reds (-20 stuff) in POTC though!

what? I was saying that a lot of 2 channel bass isn't on LFE .

The new Sigur Ros DVD, Heima, has a lot of great bass. Of note is the first track on disc 2 (Glosoli)...very impressive and deep.

nevermind, I was on crack:eek:;):pbgilly posted the LFE elsewhere and it's pretty weak.

This movie had my HSU working overtime. Especially the last battle between the ships towards the end of the movie. Left my house in pieces!:D

The PCM track on The Rock for Blu-ray sometimes had my house in jeopardy. Some notable moments are the intro when the title appears on screen, the sequence when Connery shoots the grate and it lands on the mercenary, and the impact of the sniper rifle towards the end. I could give some timestamps if anyone is interested.

I thought that I should mention it as this is some serious low bass for a movie of its age. By the way, I use a HSU VTF-3 MK3 in a small-to-medium sized home theater room.

This movie had my HSU working overtime. Especially the last battle between the ships towards the end of the movie. Left my house in pieces!:D


I wish I could play it that loud. My wife would have me evicted! :(

Ian :D

I could give some timestamps if anyone is interested.

I'd be interested :)

Planet Earth Disc 2 has some deep bass in multiple parts. I couldn't tell you how low it goes but I would definitely add it to the list. This is the disc which talks about caves etc.

I'd be interested :)

"The Rock" PCM Blu-ray
1. Chap 2 (0:01:10 - 0:01:15)
2. Chap 2 (0:01:46)
3. Chap 11 (0:48:35 - 0:48:45)
4. Chap 21 (1:25:36)
5. Chap 29 (1:58:26)
6. Chap 30 (2:00:18)
7. Chap 30 (2:05:45 - 2:05:55)

These are the moments that really standout, but there are many other moments that have the dynamics of most modern action films.

What's interesting about this PCM track is that low frequencies are much, much deeper than on the 640 kbps DD track after volume matching the two. The difference between the two audio encodes on this disc is staggering.

I should also note that this version of The Rock was imported from the UK, but it is unedited. Therefore, the timestamps should match-up with the upcoming US release.

Added:

Planet Earth HD-DVD Blu-ray

"Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End" Blu-ray
1. Chap ? (0:20:30 - 0:21:30)
2. Chap ? (0:31:00 - 0:33:00)
3. Chap ? (2:08:00 - 2:09:00) 10Hz

"The Rock" PCM Blu-ray
1. Chap 2 (0:01:10 - 0:01:15)
2. Chap 2 (0:01:46)
3. Chap 11 (0:48:35 - 0:48:45)
4. Chap 21 (1:25:36)
5. Chap 29 (1:58:26)
6. Chap 30 (2:00:18)
7. Chap 30 (2:05:45 - 2:05:55)

"Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End" Blu-ray
1. Chap ? (0:20:30 - 0:21:30)
2. Chap ? (0:31:00 - 0:33:00)
3. Chap ? (2:08:00 - 2:09:00) 10Hz :confused:


Why the ? and why only 3 chapters. This movie has tons of good bass content throughout. Can I assume that the 10hz wave was from the beating heart?

Ian

Time machine DTS has spome decent bass

:confused:


Why the ? and why only 3 chapters. This movie has tons of good bass content throughout. Can I assume that the 10hz wave was from the beating heart?

Ian

well help out and mention what other chapters...:p

ask SbWillie what the 10Hz is...:confused:
I speclabbed it...a ton of bass just like the others...the 2:08:00+ climax has a ton under 10 Hz.

I didnt watch the movie, I'm getting the times only from what bgillyjcu has mentioned here... :cool: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12435856#post12435856

Regarding Transformers

Lowest tones are in ch2
0.03.51 8Hz
0.04.06 8Hz
0.04.15 8Hz

ch19 1.50.46 20Hz

These are in room measurements, can't read off the disc for some reason.

Do anyone know if the point mentioned in CH 19 at 1:50:46 is the point where the good guy does the somersault over the explosion that was created from the tank?

This is the one that really impressed my ears and if that is 20Hz I am happy the way my eD A5-350 is tuned to the room.

Do anyone know if the point mentioned in CH 19 at 1:50:46 is the point where the good guy does the somersault over the explosion that was created from the tank?

This is the one that really impressed my ears and if that is 20Hz I am happy the way my eD A5-350 is tuned to the room.

yup thats the scene

The Bourne Ultimatum HD DVD

ch1 0.00.27 23Hz
ch1 0.01.05 20Hz
ch1 0.03.49 20Hz

Many more to come

what about the Impala hitting the barrier during the NYC chase ??

what about the Impala hitting the barrier during the NYC chase ??

what time was that?

Can anyone tell me or link me to where the spiderman 3 on bluray info is. During the sandman scene when he fell into the testing facility, there was some very nice and very powerful bass.

had shipping issues w/BB due to the ice storm so I haven't received Bourne Ultimatum HD yet..it's the chase scene about 25 minutes from the end of the movie..

Bourne Ultimatum HD DVD

ch16 1.27.06 20Hz
ch16 1.30.47 20Hz

Can anyone tell me or link me to where the spiderman 3 on bluray info is. During the sandman scene when he fell into the testing facility, there was some very nice and very powerful bass.

this is all I got

not Blu

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12299757#post12299757

Dec 15, 2007

Added:


Pathfinder DTS Blu-ray

Time machine DTS


"Live Free or Die Hard" SE Blu-ray
1. Chap 5 (0:11:48)
2. Chap 14 - 15 (0:38:00)
3. Chap 15 (0:42:29) 18Hz
4. Chap 23 (1:18:47)
5. Chap 33 (1:48:00) 8-14Hz

"Battlestar Galactica: Razor" EE
1. Chap 3 (0:13:35 - 0:14:30)
2. Chap 3 (0:14:50 - 0:15:10)
3. Chap 4 (0:15:50 - 0:16:50)
4. Chap 7 (0:33:50 - 0:35:00)
5. Chap 9 (0:46:00 - 0:47:00)
6. Chap 10 (0:52:45 - 0:54:20)
7. Chap 18 (1:34:30)

"The Matador" HD-DVD
1. Chap 2 (0:05:50 - 0:06:10)
2. Chap 2 (0:07:00 - 0:07:15)
3. Chap 9 (0:48:00)
4. Chap 15 (1:20:10)

"The Bourne Ultimatum" HD-DVD
1. Chap 1 (0:00:27) 23Hz
2. Chap 1 (0:01:05) 20Hz
3. Chap 1 (0:03:49) 20Hz
4. Chap 8 (0:39:15)
5. Chap 16 (1:27:06) 20Hz
6. Chap 16 (1:30:47) 20Hz

I would like to get some opinions on merging my thread with this one:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=605496

So its all here and easy to find.
Its not so much of a merger but more of a "Team Contribution" to the one cause... BASS!!


I don't mind waterfalls posted in my thread.

What does everyone think about this?

I have a couple more entries.

"Miami Vice: Unrated Director's Edition" DD+ HD DVD
1. Chap 2 (0:14:53)
2. Chap 2 (0:14:56)
3. Chap 2 (0:15:00)
4. Chap 2 (0:15:07)
5. Chap 3 (0:23:45)
6. Chap 15 (1:46:02 - 1:46:07)
7. Chap 18 (2:03:33)

"Training Day" TrueHD HD DVD
1. Chap 3 (0:08:40 - 0:09:05)
2. Chap 23 (1:39:14)
3. Chap 23 (1:39:48)
4. Chap 23 (1:39:50)
5. Chap 23 (1:40:02)
6. Chap 23 (1:40:38)

Dec 16, 2007

Added:

"Miami Vice" DC DD+ HD DVD
1. Chap 2 (0:14:53)
2. Chap 2 (0:14:56)
3. Chap 2 (0:15:00)
4. Chap 2 (0:15:07)
5. Chap 3 (0:23:45)
6. Chap 15 (1:46:02 - 1:46:07)
7. Chap 18 (2:03:33)


"Training Day" TrueHD HD-DVD
1. Chap 3 (0:08:40 - 0:09:05)
2. Chap 23 (1:39:14)
3. Chap 23 (1:39:48)
4. Chap 23 (1:39:50)
5. Chap 23 (1:40:02)
6. Chap 23 (1:40:38)

Flight of the Phoenix DTS Chap 6

Flight of the Phoenix chapter 6

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/FlightofthePhoenix_ch6_crash.jpg


Flight of the Phoenix, LFE only, compare this to the earlier plot I posted of the same scene

Connected sub out to the soundcard

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/FlightofthePhoenix_LFE.jpg

more to come...

WaterFall Explanation

The charts are pictures of the sound spectrum in a movie over a certain time period. The person making the graph "records" the sound during playback of part of the movie. The numbers on the top indicate the frequency of the sound recorded, and the colours represent the level of the sound (in increasing order, blue, green, yellow, orange, red, pink, magenta. maroon, purple). The graphs are presented with the start of the recording period at the bottom of the graph, and the end of the recording at the top.

These are often used to show at what frequency the bass sounds in a soundtrack occur. For example, if a portion of a movie has a pink blob at 20 Hz on the graph, that indicates that there is a very loud 20 Hz component to the sound during that part of the movie, and that a reasonably good subwoofer is required to be able to play that back.


SpecLab Settings

As per the HTF thread, these are the settings I use in Speclab:

-48kHz or 44.1kHz sample rate
-waterwall scroll interval 120ms
-range -70-0dB
-fft input size 16384
-decimate input by 8
-freq. range 0Hz-120Hz

The coloration should be approximately blue for -70db and pink for 0db.

The color scale doesn't have to be exactly X and Y, if anything it's more important to include your scale in the pictures as a reference. I just wish there was an automated way to include screenshots along with the plot.

FAQ

Q: Can you simply pop in a DVD and play it in the background with MediaPlayer, then run Spectrum Lab to analyze the sound? Or do you have to do something funky like route the line-out from your sound card to the line-in?

A: Yes, but it plots all channels when you play disc in the background
Since we are only plotting LFE I unplug the rca from the sub and connect it to the line in on the souncard

Q Do you need any plugins for Spectrum Lab to analyze the DD/DTS sound or does it work with the standard install?

A: No, it works with the standard install


Thoughts

Hi,

I got very involved with the waterfall charts over at the HT forums (http://www.hometheaterforum.com) (I'm "Kaj" in the waterfall thread (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=130032), and come in about the middle or the topic with my collection of waterfall charts)

I've been looking quickly through this thread, and thought I just might mention to those doing these new charts, that you need to watch how you work with your 'monitoring' levels, and compare apples with apples, especially if you are using a PC for the media source.

Movies are NOT (unfortunately) all equal in their sound levels. Movie 'A' might have dialogue (a reference level) at -15db, where-as movie 'B' may have dialogue at -5db.

Some movies are mixed much, much louder than other movies. So if you are leaving all your settings (volume levels etc.) the same on your audio inputs when plotting the graphs for these different movies, you aren't keeping things the same for each movie.

That is why one movie will seem to have massive amounts of LFE in its waterfall chart, whereas another one will have (by comparison of graphs) hardly anything. However, in reality, if you 'turn up' the 'soft' movie (record it louder); OR 'turn down' the 'loud' movie (record it softer), you will see the results will make more sense.

A good measure of this is to get 'normal dialogue' in each movie to a certain SAME level, turning up OR down each movie, so that they are as similar as you can get them in ‘real volume’.

If you don't 'standardize' the movies, you must let people know so that they read the waterfall charts INDIVIDUALLY. You cannot, should not compare the graph of one movie to another. Especially if you start to say "whao, this movie has much more bass than that other movie!!!"

It took me a while to realize this, because it always puzzled me, when I sat to watch movie 'A', it sounded really good, bass and all. Then when I watched movie 'B', it also sounded really good also, bass and all.
So I eagerly went to plot their waterfall graphs. . . However, when I plotted the waterfall charts, movie 'A' had plenty of deep red/pink (loud LFE) areas, but movie 'B' on the other hand, had only a splatter of those colours.
When I then went back to my HT, and played the movies again, I noticed on my Yamaha Z9, that for one movie, I was watching it at -18db, and for the other movie I was watching it a -9db.
So I when back, adjusted the volumes on my PC inputs accordingly (using, matching the dialogue as a reference) and re-plotted the graphs . . . voila, much more consistent results.

So yeah, for those making the graphs, it might be some food for thought (maybe not :D)

For those just looking at the charts, it might be something to keep in mind. Make sure you keep things in proportion.

Anyway, my 2c :) (disagree with me completely if you like)

Have fun ... I look forward to more charts,

Cheers
KJ



Time is a precious commodity for me at the moment, but we'll see . . . I may get into the waterfall charts again, some time soon :D

I just hope that others may be encouraged to take up the challenge as well.

As a side note, regarding LFE in channels OTHER than the dedicated LFE channel.
There usually is quite alot of low bass present (down to 20Hz easy) in Front channels and even Rear channels. If fact, I've seen on occasion, where there is Low bass present in font channels that is NOT present at all in the LFE channel.
That's why Bass mangment is so important, because if not setup correctly, you will be missing alot of the bass. You are only getting the main 'boom' from the dedicated LFE channel, but missing all the rest that really makes the low end of audio sound so awesome.
Most normal speakers cannot do 90Hz/80Hz and down well. so if you have speakers like that, and all the mass of audio info is not being sent to your sub, you are loosing 50% of the audio.

(Which leads to a thought in regards to this thread ... I'd say, to do proper LFE waterfall charts, people should really be measuring the bass output of ALL channels (not just the sub), but that can get complicated :D)

Anyways,
Cheers
KJ

kweezr's Spec Lab Settings: View Here (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/spectrum%20lab/?sc=1)

Download "Spectrum Lab" V2.70 b20, Considered "Stable" Here: http://freenet-homepage.de/dl4yhf/spectra1.html

Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith DD-EX Chap 3, 7, 39, 40, 46


Revenge of the Sith, Chap 46
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/StarWars_Revenge0ftheSith_ch46_2.jpg

I think kweezr is sampling the LFE channel but with bass management. I demuxed the AC3 track from the DVD and converted it into multiple 16-bit WAV files and found the LFE channel alone to be unimpressive. The other channels, on the other hand, looked close to kweezr's results.
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6639/rotslfech465oi.jpghttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9641/rotscch461tp.jpg

A few from Revenge of the Sith, remember these are LFE only plots.

Chap 3, flyby of the battlecruiser, FYI, this is the loudest bass scene through out the entire movie that I've been able to find
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/StarWars_Sith_ch3_LFE.jpg

Chap 7, when Grevous ship crash lands
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/StarWars_Sith_ch7_LFE_grevousship.jpg

Chap 39, Yoda uses the force on Sidious
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/StarWars_Sith_ch39_LFE_yodaforce.jpg

Chap 40, fight between Yoda and Sidious in the senate hall
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/StarWars_Sith_ch40_LFE.jpg

The Haunting DTS-ES Chap 10
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/TheHaunting_cold.jpg


T2 DTS THX Logo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/T2_THX.jpg


Atlantis Leviathon moves
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Atlantis_Leviathon.jpg


Tears of the Sun Chap 22
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/TearsoftheSun_ch22_1-30-50.jpg


Spiderman 2 Chap 16
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Spiderman2_ch16_35-28.jpg

Hitchhikers Guide to the Universe Chap 6 (0:22:58) 0-2 Hz

Hitchhikers Guide to the Universe, Chap 6

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Hitchhikers_ch6_22.jpg

I remember this scene in the theater and it awesome, but my sub couldn't touch it

Hellboy DC Chap 2

Opening portal grenade and gunfight
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Hellboy_portalexplosion_LFE.jpg


Hellboy DC Chap 7
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Hellboy_ch7_33-45.jpg

War of the Worlds DTS

WOTW, LFE Only

Chap 5,Alien Rises From The Ground
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch5_21.jpg

Chap 5, Ground Implodes
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch5_23.jpg

Chap 5, Tripod stomps ground then car
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch5_24.jpg

Chap 6, Heatray
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch6_26.jpg

WOTW, Chap 16 1:18:10-50, LFE Only
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch16_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/dbreference.jpg


Man! I don't know what's more fun....watching the movie last night or plotting
these scenes over and over till I get what I want.

Chap 7, 31:40, LFE only
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch7_31.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/dbreference.jpg

The 1st pink blip is when the mechanic gets vaporized, the next pink is right after the bridge collapses and van is racing down the street.

WOTW, Chap 4 Lightning Strikes

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch4_lightning_LFE.jpg

The cluster 6th from the bottom is a killer, just played it a reference levels...
my ultra/2 didn't flinch!

Well, here is something that I come up with...

WOTW R2 DD-Track, Lightning

http://personal.inet.fi/yhdistys/uunoliitto/Graafit/AVS/War_Of_The_Worlds_Lightning_thumnail.jpg (http://personal.inet.fi/yhdistys/uunoliitto/Graafit/AVS/War_Of_The_Worlds_Lightning.jpg)

War of The Worlds DTS

WOTW Alien Craft Engine Sweep

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/WotWemergingcraftch5.gif




WOTW - Hillside War

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/WotWhillsideclustereff.gif


WOTW - Chap 5 - Street Begins Rumbling

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/WotWstreetrumble01.gif

cont...

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/WotWstreetrumble02.gif

Most of the white you see is from the groaning street and church. The very top has the street breathing out then imploding.

WOTW - Heat Ray Sequence

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/WotWheatraysequence.gif

The first cluster at the bottom is the first hit of the heat ray. Goes all the way to that huge red blob at the top which is the walker going by at the end.


My capture of that sweep you wanted from me.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/WotWch5sweep.gif

Titanic: Special Collector's Edition

A few from Titanic: Special Collector's Edition

Let's Stretch Her Legs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Titanic_Letsstretchherlegs_LFE.jpg

Ship Strikes Iceberg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Titanic_Iceberg_LFE.jpg

Can't Leave Him Behind
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Titanic_Cantleavehim.jpg

Titanic Breaks Apart
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Titanic_Breaksinhalf_LFE.jpg

Polar Express

Polar Express, train arrival, LFE only

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/PolarExpress_Trainarrival.jpg

Fantastic4 DTS LFE only

Fantastic4 DTS LFE only, -5 of system reference

Chap 4 Space Storm
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/Fantastic4_ch4_storm.jpg

Chap 26 Flame on and barge explosion
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/Fantastic4_ch26_flameon.jpg

Chap 27 Clobberin' Time
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/Fantastic4_ch27_clobberintime.jpg

Chap 29 Supernova
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/Fantastic4_ch29_supernova.jpg

Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, Attack of the Clones

Please, try a chart from Revenge of the Sith, start 38:43 - stop 39:20 and
start 41:12 - stop 41:19 ? It is not loud, BUT it's alive................!!! :)

How low are these frequencies actually?

Thanks.


Not very, but there you go

(0:38:43)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/StarWars_Sith_38.jpg

(0:41:12)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/StarWars_Sith_41.jpg

For comparison, ATOC fly over and explosion
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/StarWars_ATOC_Flyover_explosion_LFE.jpg

Dukes of Hazard

Dukes of Hazard, Chap 2 shotgun blasts at the general

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/DukesofHazard_ch2_shotgunblast.jpg

Pretty sad that a movie like this has more LFE than Revenge of the Sith

Batman Begins DTS

Batman Begins

The Dock
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/BatmanBegins_thedock_LFE.jpg

The Tumbler Test Drive
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/BatmanBegins_thetumbler_LFE.jpg

The Scarecrow, Lighten Up
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/BatmanBegins_scarecrow_LFE.jpg

The Word is "Panic"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/BatmanBegins_panic_LFE.jpg

Monorail Crash
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/BatmanBegins_monorailcrash_LFE.jpg

Toy Story 2


Toy Story 2 Original Opening Logo, LFE only
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/ToyStory2_LFE.jpg


New Version, Dolby Digital
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/ToyStory2_DD_LFE.jpg


New Version, DTS, LFE only
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/ToyStory2_DTS_LFE.jpg

They look pretty much the same, but there's difference in the way each sounds.
The original seems to be louder, when the the 2 hits the logo it has more rumble
then the newer. What make the new version stand out is the more refined feel of
the LFE and the use of the surrounds(which the original is lacking), you can feel
the 2 zoom by just before it hits.

Serenity

Universal Logo and Ship Flyby, LFE only
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/Serenity_openingscene_LFE.jpg

Chap 3
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/Serenity_ch3_LFE.jpg

The Lion King

Lion King Logo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/LionKing_ch1_logo_LFE.jpg


Chap 5 Elephant Stomps
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/LionKing_ch5_LFE.jpg


Chap 6 Elephant Grave Yard
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/LionKing_ch6_LFE.jpg


Chap 9 Stampede
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/LionKing_ch9_LFE.jpg


Chap 19 Ghost of Mustafa
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/LionKing_ch19_LFE.jpg

The Exorcism of Emily Rose

Your wish is my command, Scott!

Chap 6 Dorm Room Attack
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f144/raduque/dormattack.jpg


Chap 8 Hospital Attack
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f144/raduque/hospitalattack.jpg


Chap 8 Emily Sees Demons
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f144/raduque/emilyseesdemons.jpg


Chap 9 Erin Wakes Up
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f144/raduque/lawyerwakesup.jpg


Chap 19 The Exorcism of Emily Rose - my sub was NOT HAPPY during this scene!
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f144/raduque/exorcism.jpg

The first sub-10hz, at the white line, is right after father Moore's line "Restrain her."
The second bit, is when the demon actually wakes up.


Chap 21 Dr Cartwrights End
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f144/raduque/drcartwrightdies.jpg


Chap 23 Emily Has an Out of Body Experience
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f144/raduque/emilyhasanOOB.jpg


Chap 24 "I choose to stay." - Last hit of the movie
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f144/raduque/ichoosetostay.jpg


There was also some near constant thunder most scenes, but it wasn't worth mentioning.

So, how'd I do my first time?

Dances with Wolves 1509kpbs DTS

I got your 60hz hum right here.....


Dances with Wolves 1509kpbs DTS

Chap 2 Suicide Ride, when he releleases the reigns and sits upright, arms spread wide

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/DanceswithWolves_ch2_suicide_LFE.jpg


Chap 13 Buffalo Hunt

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/DanceswithWolves_ch13_thehunt_LFE.jpg

Going through some of my older movies

DTS Digital Experience Trailer

DTS Digital Experience Trailer

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/dts_digitalexperience_LFE.jpg


DTS Sparks Trailer

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/dts_sparks_LFE.jpg

Dante's Peak 1509kbps DTS


Dante's Peak 1509kbps DTS


Chap 22 1st Eruption

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/DantesPeak_ch22_1steruption_LFE.jpg


Chap 22 Bridge Collapse

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/DantesPeak_ch22_bridgecollapse_LFE.jpg


Chap 22 Panic and Town Destruction

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/DantesPeak_ch22_driveout_LFE.jpg


Chap 32 Paraclastic Cloud

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/DantesPeak_ch30_paraclasticcloud_LF.jpg


Chap 35 Tunnel Collapse

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/DantesPeak_ch35_tunnelcollapse_LFE.jpg

River Wild 1509kbps DTS

Chap 13 The rapids, the LFE here is way hot, much louder than anything else in the movie. Had to turn the gain down a notch or two.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/Riverwild_ch13_LFE.jpg

SW2: AOTC Flyby


Not what you ask for but the only one i could fine, this is after the clip you were asking for. Maybe someone here could plot it.


SW2: AOTC Flyby


http://hometown.aol.com.au/jag94784550/SW2+flyby+waterfall.jpg

By MingL

Star Wars: Attack Of The Clones Chap 3

Star Wars: ATOC Chap 3
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/ATOC_ch3_flybyexplosion_LFE.jpg

Q 1. Can you simply pop in a DVD and play it in the bacvkground with MediaPlayer, then run SpectrumLab to analyse the sound? Or do you have to do something funky like route the line-out from your soundcard to the line-in?

A 1. Yes, but it plots all channels when you play disc in the background
Since we are only plotting LFE I unplug the rca from the sub and connect it to the line in on the souncard

Q 2: Do you need any plugins for SpectrumLab to analyse the DD/DTS sound or does it work with the standard install?

A 2: No, it works with the standard install



kweezr's Spec Lab Settings
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/spectrum%20lab/?sc=1

Time machine DTS has spome decent bass

But would anyone want to sit through that garbage to hear the bass? ;)

WOW DrPain, that must have been fun to move all of those charts over manually. ;)

Once you have moved all of the waterfalls from the other thread will that one be closed so that all waterfalls and bass discussions will be handled here? I guess the mods weren't able to merge the threads?

Has anybody charted the latest Harry Potter DVD? It has plenty of good bass scenes.


Ian

WOW DrPain, that must have been fun to move all of those charts over manually. ;)

Once you have moved all of the waterfalls from the other thread will that one be closed so that all waterfalls and bass discussions will be handled here? I guess the mods weren't able to merge the threads?

That was only 6 pages worth :eek:

They can merge threads but posts would be in chronological order, which doesnt work for me.

House of Flying Daggers R3 DTS-ES Chap 2



House of Flying Daggers R3 DTS-ES Chap 2, bowl of beans into the drums

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/HouseofFlyingDaggers_BowloBeans_LFE.jpg

Domino DTS-ES DD-EX

I do all plotting at -5 of reference with no EQ

Domino - RV Explosion
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Domino_RVexplosion_LFE.jpg


Domino - Mescaline Induce RV Crash
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Domino_mescalinecrash_LFE.jpg


Domino - Stratosphere Explosion
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Domino_stratosphereexplosion_LFE.jpg

Master and Commander DTS-ES

BY: MingL


http://hometown.aol.com.au/jag94784550/Master+commander.jpg


"I think this is one impressive sequence. The single cannon shot from the bow of the ship annd the broadside barrage digs down deep, thou centered at about 35hz. This should keep 99% of subwoofer owners feeling good about their sub.

What about the remainder 1% of subs the real men use? *grunt*

The broadside cannons dig down to below 10hz. But we won't even know that infrasonics are there since there are loud harmonics at 35hz that mask away the deep bass.

BUT, check out ~0:14:05 timestamp. I see a 12hz harmonic on its own, standing out like a lighthouse. There's little or no freq harmonics nearby that masks this infrasonic information. I think only dual 12hz-tuned 16-46PC+ will be able resolve this infrasonic detail. I don't think many even realized this 12hz info.......

I just got to try this with my triplets."

King Kong

Any particular scene?

ch40, when the boulders and net traps Kong
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/KingKong_ch40_breaksfree_LFE.jpg

Not as impressive as LOTR that's for sure.

Misc.

Something a little different, these are LFE only

Godsmack Voodoo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/GodsmackVoodoo.jpg


Blueman Group PVC IV
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/BluemanGroupPVCIV.jpg


Blueman Group Club Nowhere
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/BluemanGroupClubNowhere.jpg


We Were Soldiers OST, What is War
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/WeWereSoldierOSTWhatisWar.jpg


Blackhawk Down OST, Hunger
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/BlackhawkDownOSTHunger.jpg

Fight Club DD-EX THX

Fight Club- Car Wreck
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/FightClubCarWreck.jpg


Fight Club - Midair Collision
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/FightClubmidaircrash.gif

LOTR-Return of the King EE DTS-ES DD-EX

LOTR - Return of the King - Disc 2

24:50
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/LOTR_RotK_24.jpg

28:40
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/LOTR_RotK_28.jpg

32:10
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/LOTR_RotK_32.jpg

34:00
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/LOTR_RotK_34.jpg

SPR chapter2 10:25-12:30

SPR Chap 2 (0:10:25 - 0:12:30)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/SPR_ch2_10.jpg

U-571 DTS Depth Charged Chap 15, 1st 4 Explosions

U-571 DTS Depth Charged Chap 15, 1st 4 Explosions
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/U571_ch15_depthcharged1.jpg


Multiple Explosions While in the Sub
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/U571_ch15_depthcharged2.jpg

Munich

Munich, Phone Explosion
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Munich_phone.jpg


Building Explosion
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Munich_building.jpg

Running Scared

Running Scared

Chap 1 Shootout in the hotel room
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/RunningScared_ch1_LFE.jpg


Chap 9 Entering the strip club
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/RunningScared_ch9_LFE.jpg


Chap 17 Hockey Arena
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/RunningScared_ch17_LFE.jpg


Chap 19 Garage Explosion
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/RunningScared_ch19_LFE.jpg


Haven't seen that much pink in a movie in a long time :D

The Grudge Chap 26 Swinging Body



The Grudge: Chap 26 - Swinging Body
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f144/raduque/grudge-swingingbody.jpg

Note that this chart is 1) not as clear as my first set (I used a different mobo w/a different soundcard) and 2) going to be different from kweezr's plots. My HT is two rooms away and I don't have a long enough RCA or mono minijack to string it to my line-in. I used the "Stereo Mix" in the windows volume applet, and Media Player Classic in 6-channel redirect mode (fronts, center, rears, LFE all redirected to fronts. I have big speakers on my computer :D )

Hopefully, this new setup is "good enough" to pass muster!

Thoughts on WaterFalls

Hi,

I got very involved with the waterfall charts over at the HT forums (http://www.hometheaterforum.com) (I'm "Kaj" in the waterfall thread (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=130032), and come in about the middle or the topic with my collection of waterfall charts)

I've been looking quickly through this thread, and thought I just might mention to those doing these new charts, that you need to watch how you work with your 'monitoring' levels, and compare apples with apples, especially if you are using a PC for the media source.

Movies are NOT (unfortunately) all equal in their sound levels. Movie 'A' might have dialogue (a reference level) at -15db, where-as movie 'B' may have dialogue at -5db.

Some movies are mixed much, much louder than other movies. So if you are leaving all your settings (volume levels etc.) the same on your audio inputs when plotting the graphs for these different movies, you aren't keeping things the same for each movie.

That is why one movie will seem to have massive amounts of LFE in its waterfall chart, whereas another one will have (by comparison of graphs) hardly anything. However, in reality, if you 'turn up' the 'soft' movie (record it louder); OR 'turn down' the 'loud' movie (record it softer), you will see the results will make more sense.

A good measure of this is to get 'normal dialogue' in each movie to a certain SAME level, turning up OR down each movie, so that they are as similar as you can get them in ‘real volume’.

If you don't 'standardize' the movies, you must let people know so that they read the waterfall charts INDIVIDUALLY. You cannot, should not compare the graph of one movie to another. Especially if you start to say "whao, this movie has much more bass than that other movie!!!"

It took me a while to realize this, because it always puzzled me, when I sat to watch movie 'A', it sounded really good, bass and all. Then when I watched movie 'B', it also sounded really good also, bass and all.
So I eagerly went to plot their waterfall graphs. . . However, when I plotted the waterfall charts, movie 'A' had plenty of deep red/pink (loud LFE) areas, but movie 'B' on the other hand, had only a splatter of those colours.
When I then went back to my HT, and played the movies again, I noticed on my Yamaha Z9, that for one movie, I was watching it at -18db, and for the other movie I was watching it a -9db.
So I when back, adjusted the volumes on my PC inputs accordingly (using, matching the dialogue as a reference) and re-plotted the graphs . . . voila, much more consistent results.

So yeah, for those making the graphs, it might be some food for thought (maybe not :D)

For those just looking at the charts, it might be something to keep in mind. Make sure you keep things in proportion.

Anyway, my 2c :) (disagree with me completely if you like)

Have fun ... I look forward to more charts,

Cheers
KJ



Time is a precious commodity for me at the moment, but we'll see . . . I may get into the waterfall charts again, some time soon :D

I just hope that others may be encouraged to take up the challenge as well.

As a side note, regarding LFE in channels OTHER than the dedicated LFE channel.
There usually is quite alot of low bass present (down to 20Hz easy) in Front channels and even Rear channels. If fact, I've seen on occasion, where there is Low bass present in font channels that is NOT present at all in the LFE channel.
That's why Bass mangment is so important, because if not setup correctly, you will be missing alot of the bass. You are only getting the main 'boom' from the dedicated LFE channel, but missing all the rest that really makes the low end of audio sound so awesome.
Most normal speakers cannot do 90Hz/80Hz and down well. so if you have speakers like that, and all the mass of audio info is not being sent to your sub, you are loosing 50% of the audio.

(Which leads to a thought in regards to this thread ... I'd say, to do proper LFE waterfall charts, people should really be measuring the bass output of ALL channels (not just the sub), but that can get complicated :D)

Anyways,
Cheers
KJ

SVS Animation

SVS Animation
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Untitled-1.jpg

Top is LFE only, bottom is from all speakers using a SPL meter as a mic at listening position. Master volume at -10

The Hills Have Eyes (2006) DTS-ES DD-EX

As with my above post, these were taken using the SPL meter measuring all speakers and master volume at -10

The Hills Have Eyes

Chap 10 - The 1st 18Hz Hit is when the store owner kills himself, the last one is when Jupiter slams Bob's head into the Window.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/HillsHaveEyes_ch10_daddy.jpg


Chap 12 - Trailer Attack, Just Before Nursing and the Resulting Aftermath
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/HillsHaveEyes_ch12_trailerattack.jpg


Chap 18 - Doug in the Meat Locker
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/HillsHaveEyes_ch18_meatlocker.jpg


Chap 21 - Trailer Explosion
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/HillsHaveEyes_ch21_trailerexplosion.jpg

Final Destination 3

There's still a bit of signal noise at 60Hz, but nothing compared to LFE only.

Final Destination 3, Chap 1, On the Skydive Ride
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/FinalDestination3_ch1_skydive.jpg


Final Destination 3, Chap 5, Coaster Starts to Derail
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/FinalDestination3_ch5_coaster.jpg

Poseidon HD-DVD

Poseidon, Chap 5, Wave Hits Ship. 40Hz as wave approches, 16Hz as it hits ship with the loudest being between 20-30Hz and 40-50Hz
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Poseiden_ch5_wave.jpg


Chap 8, Elevator Shaft, the 48Hz blob is when it lands at the bottom of the shaft
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Poseiden_ch8_elevator.jpg


Chap 11, Machinery Falls and Hits Lucky Larry Crossing the Beam
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Poseiden_ch11_LuckyLarry.jpg


Chap 12, Ocean Floods Prominade
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Poseiden_ch12_prominade.jpg


Chap 15, Ballast Tank Door Opening
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Poseiden_ch15_ballastdoor.jpg


Chap 17, Boiler Room Explosion
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Poseiden_ch17_boilerexplosion.jpg


Chap 21, Ship Rolls Over Before Sinking
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Poseiden_ch21_shiprolls.jpg


There are many more bass hits through out the movie, these seemed to hit lowest and loudest....YMMV

I liked the sound and feel of Chap 12 the best.

Ghost Rider Trailer on Silent Hill Disc

Ghost Rider Trailer on Silent Hill Disc
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/GhostRidertrailer-1.jpg

Silent Hill, Chap 1, Night Scares Blu-ray

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/SilentHill_ch1_nightscares.jpg

The disc has bass on par with The Haunting, this goes lower, but the haunting is louder(DTS version).

Silent Hil, lots of infrasonics on this disc

Chap 8
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/SilentHill_ch8_infrasonics.jpg


Chap 11
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/SilentHill_ch11_infrasonics.jpg


Chap 12
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/SilentHill_ch12_infrasonics.jpg


Chap 20, Elevator Shaft
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/SilentHill_ch20_elevatorshaft.jpg


Chap 22
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/SilentHill_ch22_infrasonics.jpg

Star Wars: Episode 1: Phantom Menace


Watched the race 3-4 times before I could pin down the thump, (1:03:35), 26Hz. I
think what makes it stand out is that it is relatively quite(bass wise) before and
after the incident. About a minute or so sooner there's 22-23Hz bump but it's not
as noticable due all the bass around it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/TPM_podrace_thump_01.jpg

The Haunting DTS

The Haunting

Coming Mother
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/TheHaunting_comingmother.jpg


It's Cold, The Blip at 22Hz is what rattles the room like no others
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/TheHaunting_cold.jpg

The Matador, Chap 1 , Car Explosion


The Matador, Chap 1, Car Explosion,Thunder and Tree Falling
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/TheMatador_01_carandthunder.jpg


The Matador -R2

Chap 2 (0:05:50 - 0:06:10) 1. Car Explodes 2. Thunder Rumbles
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/Matador_ch02_5min_50s-6min_10s.jpg


Chap 2 (0:07:00 - 0:07:15) Tree Crashes Inside The House And Some Thunder
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/Matador_ch02_7min_0s-7min_15s.jpg


Chap 9 (0:48:00) No Can Do
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/Matador_ch09_48min_0s.jpg


Chap 15 (1:20:10) No Can Do Vol. 2.0
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/Matador_ch15_1h_20min_10s.jpg

Take the Lead, Chap 6

Take the Lead, Chap 6, check this out
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/TaketheLead_ch6_checkthisout.jpg

Lucky # Sleven HD-DVD

Lucky # Sleven

Chap 1, Gunshot Through Car Window
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/LuckynumberSleven_ch1_gunshot.jpg

Chap 2, Horse Race and Horse Collapse
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/LuckynumberSleven_ch2_horserace.jpg

Chap 2, Beaten and Death
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/LuckynumberSleven_ch2_torture.jpg

Chap 14, Explosion
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/LuckynumberSleven_ch14_explosion.jpg



Lucky # Slevin, Chap 14, Elevator Pass

All that Red at the bottom is the Explosion, Next up is the Elevator
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/LuckySlevin_elevator.jpg

Pink Floyd Pulse

Pink Floyd Pulse 2ch

One of these Days
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/PinkFloyd_oneofthesedays_2.jpg

Sorrow
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/PinkFloyd_sorrow.jpg

Time
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/PinkFloyd_time.jpg

Star Wars: The Phantom Menace

Okay. This is my first go at capturing AND posting these waterfalls. I came to a color scale that I like and is similar to the one that we have been seeing. I will have MY scale in EVERY waterfall, if I remember. Lol. My bass charts include rerouted bass. These ARE NOT strictly LFE. I feel these are more suitable because they include bass info present in all channels, in some case A LOT!

This is my first go, so please, any input on my strategies on how its presented would be great! I tried two different ways. Sorry, I'm not a very good PC drawer. Not much drawing ability, period. Hehheh. Anyway...

So here we go...


Phantom Menace - DVD Menu - Corusant Intro

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/SWep1corusantmenu.jpg


Phantom Menace - Chap 20 - "Start Your Engines"

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/SWep1startyourengines.jpg

Okay, let me know what you guys think.


Phantom Menace - Chap 20 - Into the Canyon

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/SWep1intothecanyon.gif


Just noticed when I saved my captures in .jpeg they looked very blurry. Gonna try .gif's for now. Bitmaps would be too big.

Black Hawk Down DTS Superbit Blu-ray


http://hometown.aol.com.au/jag94784550/BHD+waterfall.jpg


Black Hawk Down - Chap 8 - Irene

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/BHDIrene.gif

Empty For Now

Xmen 3

Xmen 3 - Chap 6 - Scott stops by the lake, for the last time...

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/Xmen3cyclopsatlake.gif

Everything below the 45 second mark is from some other scene. I scanned quickly and landed right where I needed it. The straight lines before the laser blast are from the rumbling we hear while "Phoenix" is talking to Scott in his head.

Xmen 3 - Chap 8 - Mobile Prison Break, Magneto lets Juggernaut out of his cage.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/Xmen3mobileprisonbreak.gif



Xmen 3 - Chap 18 - Magneto moves traffic before the bridge...

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/Xmen3rumbleonbridge.gif


Xmen 3 - Chap 18 - cont. Bridge Sequence

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/Xmen3bridgebreaksoff.gif




Xmen 3 - Chap 18 - "Charles always wanted to build bridges..." Kablam-O!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/Xmen3bridgedrop.gif

Alien Vs. Predator DTS Blu-ray

AvP - Menu

Menu intro and then one cycle after that...

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/AVPmenu.gif


AvP - "Director's Cut" Intro - Chap 1

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/AVPdcintro.gif


AvP - Chap 5 or 6 - Ship Flythrough

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/AVPshipflythrough.gif

Batman Begins - the ENTIRE trailer

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/BBtrailer.gif

Batman Begins - Menu - Intro and then one extra pass, iirc.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/BBmenu1stpass.gif[/QUOTE]

Does anyone have a waterfall for spiderman 3 when the particle machine starts to kick in. it reminds me of Flight of the phoenix roll over.

Not another teen mov ie, The scene where the vibrator pops out has a nice bass hit.

The cutter- when Chuck norris SLAMS his Big van into the bad guy's car and it careens.

Frankenfenfish- The Propane explosion and when the propane tank flies in the air on a jet of flaming propane was pretty sick soundind and the scene where bthe beating heart was cut out of the fish and the other fish ate the heart and the guy..

And another part where a shotgun goes off and blows a person's head off.

Seccond in command- The whole movie

here....

Does anyone have a waterfall for spiderman 3 when the particle machine starts to kick in. it reminds me of Flight of the phoenix roll over.


"Spiderman 3" - (0:23:17)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2374/2059010089_100d821f59_o.jpg





Sorry It took so long...LOL

I would definetely add the simpsons movie. INCREDIBLE BASS.

So, are these threads merged already or is the merging prosses still going on?

So, are these threads merged already or is the merging prosses still going on?

I'm waiting on the mod to make it happen. I'll pm him again.

I am surprised no one has mentioned walker texas ranger!

Thanks for the spidey 3 chart. It must be that pink blip at 35 HZ. Does anyone have a pulse chart? I think I saw that in brad's thread for Spl.

Balls of Fury HD DVD

ch12 0.52.56

Balls of Fury HD DVD

ch18 1.17.08
ch18 1.19.43

Thanks for the spidey 3 chart. It must be that pink blip at 35 HZ. Does anyone have a pulse chart? I think I saw that in brad's thread for Spl.

If you find it , post it here.

Star Dust!


Ian ;)

I found the pulse chart, here is the link

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10038385#post10038385

Dec 22, 2007

Added:

"Balls of Fury" HD-DVD
1. Chap 12 (0:52:56) WaterFall (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=97154&d=1198271812)
2. Chap 18 (1:17:08) WaterFall (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=97155&d=1198276454)
3. Chap 18 (1:19:43) WaterFall (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=97156&d=1198276454)


The Simpsons Movie Blu-ray
Stardust HD-DVD

http://img.tesco.com/pi/entertainment/DVD/LF/788627_DV_L_F.jpg

Mild large wave deep and low to 25Hz!

Brought this yesterday, I was kinder expecting some mild lows but I was wrong, it had quite a few deep rolling low waves of sound moving towards me, with deep rumbling force down to 25Hz 40Hz and 62Hz that I could see all interacting at the same time on the RTA. Sound pressure level was up to 105dbc on the LFE.1 only with sub bass extension on the second sub bass from the centre channel adding onto the LFE.1 giving a total in-room 107dbc.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee15/Evolution3417/SurfsUpthebigwave25Hz2.jpg

When the penguin surfers race towards the waves during the films final moments of the surfing competition, a nice beauty just starts rolling and getting bigger in size as well as sound too, then 6 surfing penguins go down out of 24 leaving only 18 left.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee15/Evolution3417/SurfsUpthebigwave25Hz3.jpg

It starts at 62m:19s and its on centre channel and LFE.1 only, you’d never be able to tell where its coming from because its omni-directional it was just rumbling the floor and my body and ears, with a slow mild thundering attack, this was a mild wave, the BIG ONE comes later in the next post!

Merry Christmas to you and you’re family today.:)

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee15/Evolution3417/SurfsUpthebigwave25Hz1.jpg

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee15/Evolution3417/SurfsUpthebigwave25Hz4.jpg

...sigh:(

...sigh:( :eek:

I thought you had this under control?


Ian :D

"Pixar Short Films Collection - Volume 1" Blu-ray
1. "Lifted" levitation ray
2. "Jack-Jack Attack" human torch scene

I just saw this last night and I was totally amazed at the amount of bass that I missed seeing this in the theatre the first time. There are a few more shorts I need to watch to see if they have any more bass but this is a start.

The kingdom has impressive bass during bomb blasts.

Is WOTW still the bass demo champion??? Is there a teir sysem that has been set up to organize the the very best?? Thanks...Al

Is WOTW still the bass demo champion???

I guess you havn't checked out Yentl yet ?

I guess you havn't checked out Yentl yet ? I think you be jivin' me...Al :)