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DrPainMD 12-31-07, 04:35 AM Ok, I've updated the list. It now has WaterFall charts. I'm still updating it, I'm about half way done.
Example:
"War of the Worlds" (2005) DTS
1. Lightning Strikes, Chap 4 (0:15:23) 5Hz WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch4_lightning_LFE.jpg) WaterFall (http://personal.inet.fi/yhdistys/uunoliitto/Graafit/AVS/War_Of_The_Worlds_Lightning.jpg)
2. Pods Emerge, Chap 5 (0:21:44) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch5_21.jpg)
3. Ground Implodes, Chap 5 (0:23:35) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch5_23.jpg)
4. Chap 5, Tripod Stomps Ground Then Car WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch5_24.jpg)
5. Heatray, Chap 6 (0:26:22) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch6_26.jpg)
6. Chap 7 (0:31:40) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch7_31.jpg) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch7_31.jpg)
7. Lightning - 747 Crash, Chap 9 (0:39:22)
8. Chap 9 (0:40:35)
9. Chap 13 (0:59:20)
10. Bombs Dropping, Chap 15 (1:10:45)
11. Chap 16 (1:18:10 - 1:18:50) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch16_1.jpg)
12. More WaterFalls For WOTW (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12517863#post12517863)
Tweakophyte 12-31-07, 09:19 AM This is great... exactly why the threads work well merged together. Thanks for the effort.
Ok, I've updated the list. It now has WaterFall charts. I'm still updating it, I'm about half way done.
Example:
"War of the Worlds" (2005) DTS
1. Lightning Strikes, Chap 4 (0:15:23) 5Hz WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch4_lightning_LFE.jpg) WaterFall (http://personal.inet.fi/yhdistys/uunoliitto/Graafit/AVS/War_Of_The_Worlds_Lightning.jpg)
2. Pods Emerge, Chap 5 (0:21:44) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch5_21.jpg)
3. Ground Implodes, Chap 5 (0:23:35) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch5_23.jpg)
4. Chap 5, Tripod Stomps Ground Then Car WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch5_24.jpg)
5. Heatray, Chap 6 (0:26:22) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch6_26.jpg)
6. Chap 7 (0:31:40) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch7_31.jpg) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch7_31.jpg)
7. Lightning - 747 Crash, Chap 9 (0:39:22)
8. Chap 9 (0:40:35)
9. Chap 13 (0:59:20)
10. Bombs Dropping, Chap 15 (1:10:45)
11. Chap 16 (1:18:10 - 1:18:50) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch16_1.jpg)
12. More WaterFalls For WOTW (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12517863#post12517863)
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
Theres not enough booze.... some one paypal me some!
alan_ct 12-31-07, 10:32 AM nope, not me...never!
http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/97/34/0000039734_20070515195813.jpg
Happy New Year!!! Is that you Dr pain on the right??? :eek::eek::D But seriously how do you read the waterfall charts...Al
DrPainMD 12-31-07, 11:15 AM Is that you Dr pain on the right??? :eek::eek::D But seriously how do you read the waterfall charts...Al
how do you read the charts?
here is some info on how...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12517791#post12517791
SbWillie 01-01-08, 12:55 AM Ok, I've updated the list. It now has WaterFall charts. I'm still updating it, I'm about half way done.
Example:
"War of the Worlds" (2005) DTS
1. Lightning Strikes, Chap 4 (0:15:23) 5Hz WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch4_lightning_LFE.jpg) WaterFall (http://personal.inet.fi/yhdistys/uunoliitto/Graafit/AVS/War_Of_The_Worlds_Lightning.jpg)
2. Pods Emerge, Chap 5 (0:21:44) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch5_21.jpg)
3. Ground Implodes, Chap 5 (0:23:35) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch5_23.jpg)
4. Chap 5, Tripod Stomps Ground Then Car WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch5_24.jpg)
5. Heatray, Chap 6 (0:26:22) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch6_26.jpg)
6. Chap 7 (0:31:40) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch7_31.jpg) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch7_31.jpg)
7. Lightning - 747 Crash, Chap 9 (0:39:22)
8. Chap 9 (0:40:35)
9. Chap 13 (0:59:20)
10. Bombs Dropping, Chap 15 (1:10:45)
11. Chap 16 (1:18:10 - 1:18:50) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/WotW_ch16_1.jpg)
12. More WaterFalls For WOTW (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12517863#post12517863)
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
Theres not enough booze.... some one paypal me some!awesome work DR.!:eek::D:D
mailiang 01-01-08, 11:57 AM please delete all unnecessary posts. like wise I will :cool:
Done! ;)
Ian
fumoffu 01-01-08, 03:28 PM Sweet the waterfalls added into the list are awesome!! Great work
If I recall correctly is that kweezer's watermark at 60Hz on many of those waterfalls :D
DrPainMD 01-01-08, 05:20 PM Sweet the waterfalls added into the list are awesome!! Great work
If I recall correctly is that kweezer's watermark at 60Hz on many of those waterfalls :D
yes, hes contributed greatly to the cause, thats his 60hz hum which I think he resolved.
Yes, it has mysteriously resolved it's self.
The Simpson's Movie Blu Ray
ch2 0.03.03
ch4 0.09.29
ch9 0.24.07
ch10 0.26.59
ch12 0.37.28
The Simpson's continued
ch14 0.46.00
ch15 0.48.05
0.48.10
0.48.26
ch19 1.03.07
1.03.33
ch22 1.13.27
fumoffu 01-02-08, 04:00 PM How comparable are the intensities of the waterfalls?
The Simpsons movie looks really intense in a lot of areas pushing past pink into white. Comparing it to War of The Worlds, The Simpsons looks a lot hotter. Is this true?
WotW was plotted off the disk, Simpson's was done within the room (Blu ray & HD DVD), the room magnifies the intensity or something like that. Someone more knowledgeable will have to chime in.
I'll do an in room plot of WotW for comparison.
WotW
ch5 0.21.45 off disk(top link)
vs
in room(21.45 is about the center of the plot)
Kevin12586 01-02-08, 09:39 PM The Simpsons looks like it will be fun to watch :D
Shoot'em Up dts (this one's mixed hot!!)
Too many to list but a couple of notables
ch4 0.12.56
ch5 0.15.10
anidabi 01-03-08, 04:18 AM Kweezr, you don't take only the LFE? You plot the whole thing in your room with a microphone?
fumoffu 01-03-08, 01:14 PM WotW
ch5 0.21.45 off disk(top link)
vs
in room(21.45 is about the center of the plot)
Wow those do look very different. So I think we can conclude that these graphs are not so good to compare which sound track is more intense with the bass.
Thanks for the comparison give me a much better understanding of how to interpret these. I think I prefer the LFE/Subwoofer line out over the mic.
anidabi 01-04-08, 10:42 AM Well, I think it shows pretty much the same, propably the mic sends much more stronger signal than the sub-out, or kweezr has changed his color palette settings. Not every movie has such ultimate strong bass, even the weak signal is dark red. Anyway, it's not problem for me. I know it's all relative, only the color palette seem to changed or the signal has gotten more stronger because measuring these graphs with mic. :)
fumoffu 01-05-08, 11:45 AM Well, I think it shows pretty much the same, propably the mic sends much more stronger signal than the sub-out, or kweezr has changed his color palette settings. Not every movie has such ultimate strong bass, even the weak signal is dark red. Anyway, it's not problem for me. I know it's all relative, only the color palette seem to changed or the signal has gotten more stronger because measuring these graphs with mic. :)
I love all these graphs! And kweezr has done an amazing job contributing them. I just like to analyze things, and I am not saying there is anything wrong with either, just it's good to know the differences.
With the comparison that kweezr recently posted on WotW, lets look at 3 features from the LFE out and try to find them in the mic. First at the bottom of the graph there is a strong isolated frequency at about 23Hz. Second in the middle it goes down below 10Hz. Thirdly, look at the change in the range of frequency between the middle and top.
So some of these artifacts can be caused by lack of response bellow 15Hz, room mode, harmonic distortions, and other artifacts caused by the room.
Just some observations!
Love the waterfalls. I am amazed at how many movies now include loud sub 40hz info. Live Free or Die Hard rocked my Buttkicker (crossover 40hz) from the menu!
Kweezr, you don't take only the LFE? You plot the whole thing in your room with a microphone?
It's an easier setup to use a mic and measure the room, LFE only is a little more involved and I'm lazy sometimes.
Sill can't figure out why my 'puter won't read the disc, that's the easiest of all.
The differences in color between WotW is the LFE only was the previous version, the room plot in with the updated. So the colors are bit different.
I'll try and do some LFE only of Shoot'em Up today.
DrPainMD 01-06-08, 11:42 AM Jan 6, 2008
Added:
"Pixar Short Films Collection - Volume 1" Blu-ray
1. Lifted
"Shoot'em Up" DTS Blu-ray
1. Chap 4 (0:12:56) WaterFall (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=98082&d=1199330252)
2. Chap 5 (0:15:10) WaterFall (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=98083&d=1199330252)
"The Simpson's Movie" Blu-ray
1. Chap 2 (0:03:03) WaterFall (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=98043&d=1199304575)
2. Chap 4 (0:09:29) WaterFall (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=98043&d=1199304575)
3. Chap 9 (0:24:07) WaterFall (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=98045&d=1199304575)
4. Chap 10 (0:26:59) WaterFall (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=98046&d=1199304597)
5. Chap 12 (0:37:28) WaterFall (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=98047&d=1199304597)
6. Chap 14 (0:46:00) WaterFall (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=98048&d=1199304711)
7. Chap 15 (0:48:05)
8. Chap 15 (0:48:10)
9. Chap 15 (0:48:26) WaterFall (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=98049&d=1199304711)
10. Chap 19 (1:03:07) WaterFall (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=98050&d=1199304711)
11. Chap 19 (1:03:33)
12. Chap 22 (1:13:27) WaterFall (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=98051&d=1199304713)
Raymond Leggs 01-06-08, 05:48 PM High scool Musical parts one and 2. (Ashley Tisdale is HOT)
DrPainMD 01-06-08, 06:16 PM dont even think about it mailiang
MKtheater 01-06-08, 06:20 PM Hi,
I want to check out my frequency in my room. My question is my computer has a mic connection and a headphone(miniplugs) and the rest are USB ports. I am thinking of connecting the rs meter to the mic but what about my internal soundcard to my processor? I did not know where to ask and since you guys are posting waterfall charts you may know.
DrPainMD 01-06-08, 06:24 PM Hi,
I want to check out my frequency in my room. My question is my computer has a mic connection and a headphone(miniplugs) and the rest are USB ports. I am thinking of connecting the rs meter to the mic but what about my internal soundcard to my processor? I did not know where to ask and since you guys are posting waterfall charts you may know.
Laptop or destop?
What sound card do you have? Is it onboard or pci?
I think you would need to connected the rs meter to the line in on your sound card or input of the same to your onboard sound. You'll need a rca to 3.5 mini adapter.
MKtheater 01-06-08, 07:54 PM I have a laptop, I wanted to use its internal sound card. I don't have many connections to my laptop except for usb ports. It has a headphone and mic jacks.
Shoot'em Up dts
LFE out vs in room
DrPainMD 01-07-08, 12:21 AM I have a laptop, I wanted to use its internal sound card. I don't have many connections to my laptop except for usb ports. It has a headphone and mic jacks.
nothing else? like a line in? take a pic of your jacks
kweezr might know more, since hes doing in room stuff.
anidabi 01-07-08, 03:24 AM I have a laptop, I wanted to use its internal sound card. I don't have many connections to my laptop except for usb ports. It has a headphone and mic jacks.
You should have a line-in jack. If not, you could try the mic connection, just make sure you disable the 20dB boost. Still I am pretty sure it will not work.
Best way to do it, is to buy external usb sound card. It's cheap and no extra hassle.
MKtheater 01-07-08, 10:39 AM Thanks guys, looks like I need an external soundcard. No line in on my computer. Just alot of USB's and the mic and headphone jacks. Of course it has the serial ports and other stuff not related. I want to see what my subs are actually doing in room. I have taken measurements manually but using the correction tables makes it too good to be true. It seems without correction is more accurate. Love these waterfall charts with the chapter index. One can plot a frequency graph with source material at very high spl's, rather than using sine waves at high spl's which could destroy a subwoofer.
MKtheater 01-07-08, 11:34 AM Can someone chart a scene in pulse, not the computer room, but there is another scene after that when they are in the desert near power lines. They thought they were safe and then get attacked. When they drive away there is powerful bass, I wanted to know what frequency it was. Thanks
eightninesuited 01-08-08, 01:31 AM Does anyone know how low the bass goes during the creation of the Sandman in Spiderman 3? There's a part where the machine spinning goes nuts and it feels like my room is about to explode.
MKtheater 01-08-08, 01:42 AM I asked the same question, I think it is 35 hz for the real strong stuff.
SbWillie 01-08-08, 07:10 PM direct from the disc it was pushing ref. level dead on 35 Hz. but some others will have different readings.
Raymond Leggs 01-08-08, 07:39 PM dont even think about it mailiang
Think about what? :rolleyes:
bgillyjcu 01-08-08, 08:59 PM WotW
ch5 0.21.45 off disk(top link)
vs
in room(21.45 is about the center of the plot)
Only scene ever to bottom my PC+ out....
I was also at 110db in a 2200cubic foot room....NEEED MORE WOOFAGE :D
mailiang 01-09-08, 12:07 AM Think about what? :rolleyes:
Some cutesy blond singer.
Ian :rolleyes:
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 07:38 AM Mission Impossible 3
Mkay...I've been out of the waterfall business long enough...
Here we go again!
Mission Impossible 3 - DVD Menu
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/MI3menu.gif
MI:3 - Chap 1 (rumbles that go on during interrogation...continues off the graph but I felt I didn't need to chart it all cause it continues as so for an additional minute.)
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/MI3ch1rumble.gif
MI:3 - Chap 3 - Raid on Building
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/MI3ch3raid.gif
MI:3 - Chap 4 Chopper Lift Off..."go, GO GO GO!"
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/MI3ch4gogogo.gif
That's all I felt like doing for MI:3 atm...as SC was getting into it...this movie just has so much deep bass it almost isn't worth charting.
Ahhh....now, Superman Returns...on the other hand. Great bass! Steve, if you are still reading, rent it at least to hear this bass. It's a pretty good soundtrack. Better sound design over MI:3, imho.
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 07:39 AM Superman Returns
Superman Returns - Chap 1 - Planet Explosion
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/SRch1explosion.gif
Superman Returns - Chap 3 - Comet Flies Over and Rumbles Grandma's House
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/SRch3cometflyby.gif
Superman Returns - Chap 9 "...That Wasn't You."
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/SRch9thatwasntyou.gif
Superman Returns - Chap 9 "We Seem To Be Experiencing a Power Failure."
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/SRch9powerfailure.gif
Superman Returns - Chap 10 Train Set Destruction and Room Splits...
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/SRch10trainsetdestruction.gif
Superman Returns - Chap 10 "The Faint Pop...of a Sonic Boom." "She's Pulling Away!"
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/SRch10shespullingaway.gif
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 07:40 AM Superman Returns
Superman Returns - Chap 11 "Unknown Bogey, Coming in Fast!"
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/SRch11unknownbogey.gif
Superman Returns - Chap 11 - Superman Removes Shuttle From Aircraft and Zero-G
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/SRch11flybyandzeroG.gif
Superman Returns - Chap 11 - Superman Delivers Shuttle (flyby) and Aircraft Continues its Spin...(before 1st wing breaks)
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/SRch11flybyandoutofcontrolspin.gif
Superman Returns - Chap 11 - Wing Breaks...Superman's Last Chance to Save the Plane
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/SRch11wingbreakslastchance.gif
Superman Returns - Chap 11 - Aircraft Barely Missed Being Vaporized as Superman Gracefully Places it Down on the Pitcher's Mound.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/SRch11supermancatchesplane.gif
Phew...I'm pooped for now....
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 07:43 AM House of Flying Daggers DTS-ES - All Speakers at -10 of Reference
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/HoFD_drums_dtses.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 07:44 AM Lord of The Rings: Fellowship Of The Ring (DD)
Oldie here...
LotR FotR (Theatrical Dolby D)
Chap 1 - Opening Ring Crafting Sequence
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/FOTRoneringtorulethemall.gif
10 second marker is the closeup of the ring in Sauron's finger, iirc...
Chap 1 - Opening Battle
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/FOTRopeningbattle.gif
You can see the "dun dun...dun dun...." @ the 25second mark... when Sauron walks into frame and then the 45hz-4hz sweep at the very top ...lol, I can't remember what that was...lmao! It was either one of the swings from Sauron or when the king is hit and lands on the ground...cause that part goes pretty low.
Cont.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/FOTRiswasinthismoment.gif
This is an easy one....continues from the last plot...
Here, we can see the sweep from the shockwave including the deep rumble after he takes the ring finger off the ground. 40second marker is the ring finger landing on the ground after its cut from his finger.
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 07:59 AM Jurassic Park DTS LFE Only Chap 11,. Ripples in the Water
Jurassic Park DTS, LFE only Chap 11,. Ripples in the Water at -10
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/JP_dts_ripples-1.jpg
Same Clip DTS, All Speakers
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/JP_dts_ripples.jpg
Same Clip DD, All Speakers
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/JP_dd_ripples.jpg
Jurassic Park, Chap 11, DD, Footsteps After Crossing Over Cement Barrier
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/JP_dd_footstep.jpg
DTS
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/JP_dts_footstep.jpg
Chap 11, DD, Growl Outside Tour Vehicle
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/JP_dd_growl.jpg
DTS
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/JP_dts_growl.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:01 AM We Were Soldiers OST, What is War & Blackhawk Down OST, Hunger
We Were Soldiers OST, What is War
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/WeWereSoldierOSTWhatisWar.jpg
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Blackhawk Down OST, Hunger
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall_too/BlackhawkDownOSTHunger.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:03 AM Snakes on a Plane DTS-ES
Snakes on a Plane
Claire and Flynn pull up plane before hitting the water
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/SnakesonaPlane_pullup.jpg
Clarence takes Flynn's gun
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/SnakesonaPlane_clarence.jpg
Flynn shoots out window and the resulting pressurization.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/SnakesonaPlane_pressurize.jpg
These are in room measurements using DTS-ES and at -10 of reference.
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:04 AM Crank DTS
Crank DTS
Chap 5 (0:15:11) Chev's Car Hits Railing Then Lands on the Escalator Stairs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Crank_escalator.jpg
The Zoom in to Google Earth After the Sewing Factory Shootout
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Crank_googleearth.jpg
Chap 26 (1:21:26) Chev's Death, Lands on Car, Hits the Ground and the Few Heart Beats
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Crank_death.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:06 AM The Guardian
The Guardian Chap 2 (0:09:25)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/TheGuardian_ch2_0.jpg
Chap 2 (0:14:50)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/TheGuardian_ch2_0-1.jpg
I didn't notice anything in the bar, will have to watch it again.
The Guardian Chap 7 (1:24:52) In the Bar
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/TheGuardian_ch7_1.jpg
Chap 11 (2:06:21)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/TheGuardian_ch11_2.jpg
Chap 11 (2:08:00)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/TheGuardian_ch11_2-2.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:07 AM Jet Li's Fearless
Fearless Chap 2 (0:05:56)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Fearless_ch2_0.jpg
Chap 4 (0:20:12)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Fearless_ch4_0.jpg
Chap 5 (0:27:40)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Fearless_ch5_0.jpg
Chap 8 (0:40:09)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Fearless_ch8_0.jpg
Chap 18 (1:36:48)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Fearless_ch18_1.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:09 AM "Sky Captain and The World Of Tomorrow" DD-EX HD-DVD Blu-ray
Underwater Ship Sliding
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/SkyCapt_ch12_underwater.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:10 AM The Marine
crossover at 80H, sub will go to at least 20Hz, lower with room influences. When I watched it last night the volume was at -20, today was at -5
The Marine, Chap 1 (0:02:10)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/TheMarine_ch1_0.jpg
Chap 3 0:12:56)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/TheMarine_ch3_0.jpg
Chap 10 (0:39:55)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/TheMarine_ch10_0.jpg
Gun fire has more impact than the explosions
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:11 AM Flyboys
Chap 8 (0:35:28)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Flyboys_ch8_0.jpg
Chap 8 (0:37:02)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Flyboys_ch8_0-1.jpg
Chap 24 (1:48:08)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Flyboys_ch25_1.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:12 AM Saw III
Chap 1 (0:09:46)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/SawIII_ch1_0.jpg
Chap 4 (0:17:16)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/SawIII_ch4_0.jpg
Chap 7 (0:29:27)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/SawIII_ch7_0.jpg
Chap 14 (0:58:46)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/SawIII_ch14_0.jpg[/QUOTE]
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:14 AM Originally Posted by cyberbri
Another question for you - sorry!
With your settings as they are, with 80dB on the meter and using the colors and levels in the software, what does the light pink area represent? Do you know how many dB?
Basically I will try to set mine up like yours so I can compare my own in-room response to that of yours and see how it stacks up, etc. Plus check out the bass in different music and movies, of course.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/SawIII_ch14_0.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/spectrum%20lab/dbreference.jpg
In general, the closer we get to pink the higher the db level. At -5 in my room the spl meter hit 110db on the above plot.
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:15 AM Pulse
Pulse, Chap 15
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Pulse_ch15_1.jpg
This torture started at (1:11:58) and lasted 2min
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Pulse_ch15_1-1.jpg
Ok, I finally got this to work... somewhat. I couldn't duplicate Kweezer's settings exactly. I'm doing this on my SO's laptop which has some DVD playing software on it. Seems to just capture the wave out, but not sure how it's handling bass management. It took a bit of fiddling to get decent output... if I used kweezer's settings, it didn't have enough gain to show much. So you can't compare colors to kweezer's.
Here is the same scene. The final sweep that continues in one direction is at the top (I stopped right after that, as that's the "low" point), it stops with a peak between 14-15 hz:
http://home.comcast.net/~dscline/capt0702052156.jpg
This graph doesn't look as intense as it seems listening to it. I think it seems so much more intense because the bass is extremely emphasized. It dominates the audio during this period without sharing much with higher frequencies, and it goes on for a relatively long time. And being warble tones instead of more random rumbling, it's more noticeable.
Craigsub's
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/craigsub/pulsescene.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:21 AM The Incredibles
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/2469804-post234.html
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:22 AM Flags of our Fathers
Chap 5 (0:20:34)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Flagsofourathers_ch5_0.jpg
Chap 6 (0:36:19)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/Flagsofourathers_ch6_0.jpg
Flags of our fathers (R2 PAL DD 5.1)
Chap 5 (0:20:00 - 0:21:00) The American Navy Starts Bombarding The Island
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/FOOF_ch05_20-21min.jpg
Chap 6 (0:29:00 - 0:30:00) Landing On The Beach
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/FOOF_ch06_30-31min.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:23 AM Catch a Fire
Chap 3 - Oil refinery
Chap 5 - Bomb
Chap 17
http://personal.inet.fi/private/ilkka/graphs/wws/Image2.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:24 AM Rush In Rio
Obaterista from Rush in Rio
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/obaterista.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:26 AM Pearl Harbor, Plotted off the Disc
Chap 22
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/PearlHarbor_ch22_1.jpg
Chap 22
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/PearlHarbor_ch22_1-1.jpg
Chap 23
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/PearlHarbor_ch23_1.jpg
Chap 23
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/PearlHarbor_ch23_1-1.jpg
Chap 23
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/PearlHarbor_ch23_1-2.jpg
Chap 27
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/PearlHarbor_ch27_1.jpg
Chap 27
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/PearlHarbor_ch27_1-1.jpg[/QUOTE]
DTS Director's Cut Chap 22
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/PearlHarbor_ch22_1.jpg
1:29:16 - Japanese Pilot Looks At The Photo Of The Arizona
1:29:54 - Arizona Explodes
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:28 AM Finding Nemo
Anglerfish
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Nemo_anglerfish.jpg
Sliding Sub
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Nemo_sub.jpg
Whale Spouting
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Nemo_whale_blowspout.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:29 AM The Prestige (off the disc)
Chap 2 (0:04:55)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/ThePrestige_ch2_0.jpg
Chap 8 (0:19:55)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/ThePrestige_ch8_0.jpg
Chap 10 (0:44:35)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/ThePrestige_ch10_0.jpg[/QUOTE]
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:29 AM Tenacious D-The Pick of Destiny
Chap 1 (0:00:35)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/TenaciousD_ch1_0.jpg
Chap 13 (1:22:42)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/TenaciousD_ch13_1-1.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:31 AM Monster House
Chap 21 (1:07:08)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/MonsterHousech21_1.jpg
Chap 23 (1:12:25)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/MonsterHousech231.jpg
Chap 24 (1:13:40)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfall%20SPL/MonsterHousech241.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:32 AM Casino Royale (plotted from the disc)
Chap 2 (0:07:41)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/CasinoRoyale_ch20.jpg
Chap 3 (0:12:27)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/CasinoRoyale_ch3_0.jpg
Chap 3
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/CasinoRoyale_ch3_0-1.jpg
Chap 5 (0:21:51)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/CasinoRoyale_ch5_0.jpg
Chap 5 (0:25:32)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/CasinoRoyale_ch5_0-1.jpg
Chap 11 (0:53:12)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/CasinoRoyale_ch11_0.jpg
Chap 27 (2:13:00) (2:13:30) (2:14:16)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/CasinoRoyale_ch27_2.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:33 AM Flight of the Phoenix (plotted off the disc)
Chap 6 (0:15:16)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/FlightofthePhoenix_ch06_0.jpg
Chap 6 (0:15:46)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/FlightofthePhoenix_ch06_0-1.jpg
Chap 17 (0:53:48)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/FlightofthePhoenix_ch017_0.jpg
Chap 35 (1:43:54)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/FlightofthePhoenix_ch035_1.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:34 AM Jurassic Park 3
Chap 5 (0:24:52) Spinosaurus Attacks Plane
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/JP3_ch5_0.jpg
Chap 6 (0:26:51) T-Rex & Spinosaurus Duel
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/JP3_ch6_26.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:36 AM Deja Vu
Deja Vu
Chap 1 - Act of Terrorism
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/DejaVuCH1Ferryexplosion.png
First wide impulse is the immediate explosion from the POV of the back of the van, pretty much. Red splotch is about when the fire consumes the screen and the unlucky security guard. Deepest moment of explosion...
***The graphs backup what I felt while watching. The bomb does indeed have bass but not too much in the infrasonic region, whatsoever. Definitely a "mid-bassy" explosion. The deep stuff in this movie was for more dramatic effect. Complementing the music...etc.***
The brief, green area in the upper 2/3's is when the music comes is...the two pinks spots are from the bass in the music, iirc.
DVD Menu
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/DejaVuMenu.png
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:37 AM The Cleaner
Chap 1 (0:00:34)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/TheCleaner_ch1_0.jpg
Chap 1 (0:03:44)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/TheCleaner_ch1_0-1.jpg
Chap 1 (0:05:42)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/TheCleaner_ch1_0-2.jpg
Chap 2 (0:06:28)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/TheCleaner_ch2_0.jpg
Chap 2 (0:09:04)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/TheCleaner_ch2_0-1.jpg
Chap 6 (0:28:44)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/TheCleaner_ch6_0.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:38 AM 300 Trailer and Chap 20 ?
300 Trailer
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/300.jpg[/QUOTE]
Chap 20 ?
http://xs117.xs.to/xs117/07290/capt0707220110.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:39 AM Happy Feet
Blizzard Sequence (1:11:15 - 1:11:30)
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/HappyFeetBlizzard.png
Killer Whale Attack - Part 1 (1:15:05 - 1:17:12)
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/HappyFeetKillerwhales1.png
Killer Whale Attack - Part 2 (1:15:05 - 1:17:12)
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/HappyFeetKillerwhales2.png
Helicopters
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/HappyFeetHelicopters.png
Intro Rumble Before Music
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/HappyFeetoutrorumble.png
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:40 AM Shooter
Chap 4 (0:27:53)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Shooter_ch04_027.53.jpg
Chap 14 (1:33:00)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Shooter_ch14_133.00.jpg
Chap 18 (1:57:47)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/Shooter_ch18_157.47.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:44 AM The Matrix
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/speakers-subwoofers/130032-frequency-waterfall-charts-few-familiar-favourites-16.html#post2718262
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/1944257-post129.html
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:47 AM Letters From Iwo Jima (R2 PAL DD 5.1)
Letters From Iwo Jima
Chap 10 (0:42:30 - 0:43:30) Airplane Bombardment
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/LFIJ_ch10_42min30s-43min30s.jpg
Chap 11 (0:45:20 - 0:46:20) In The Caves When Americans Bombard The Island
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/LFIJ_ch11_45min20s-46min20s.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:51 AM Transformers
Starscream's initial missile attack at the dam:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/TransformersStarscreammissileattack.jpg
I though there wasn't anything low?
Does the LFE reflect the same?
THe Autobot `introduction' scene had some of the best bass so far..along with Prime stepping on the fountain (teens)
Entire Ironhide Flip Sequence
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/TransformersIronhide.jpg
Got plenty of charts but they aren't that useful.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=92382&d=1192842111
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=92383&d=1192842393
since u have the 16-46,bg....
have u played the Autobot introduction scene
1:03:10
"What's crackin'?"..."My first lieutenant,designation Jazz."
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/JAZZintroduction.jpg
Bumbleebee's is even a couple Dbs higher.
low enough?
Megatron blasts Jazz<1:57:13>:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/MegatronblastsJAZZ15713.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:56 AM ....More Transformers
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11961968#post11961968
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:57 AM Harry Potter: Order of the Phoenix (Samples From R1 Disc)
Chap 1 (0:02:30 - 0:03:15) Storm Hits And The Ghosts Attack
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/HP_OOTF_ch01_2min30s-3min15s.jpg
Chap 3 (0:10:50) The House Morphing
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/HP_OOTF_ch03_10min50s.jpg
Chap 5 (0:18:00) Subway
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/HP_OOTF_ch05_18min0s.jpg
Chap 6 (0:20:50) Judge Hits His Hammer In The Court Room
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/HP_OOTF_ch06_20min50s.jpg
Chap 19 (1:19:00 - 1:19:50) Attack On The Prison
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/HP_OOTF_ch19_1h19min0s-1h19min50s.jpg
Chap 20 (1:23:00)
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/HP_OOTF_ch20_1h23min0s.jpg
Chap 20 (1:25:10) Phoenix Bird Flames Up
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/HP_OOTF_ch20_1h25min10s.jpg
Chap 27 (1:52:10 - 1:53:10) Battle In The Cellar
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/HP_OOTF_ch27_1h52min10s-1h53min10s.jpg
Chap 28 (1:55:30 - 1:56:40) Good Versus Evil
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/HP_OOTF_ch28_1h55min30s-1h56min40s.jpg
Chap 29 (1:58:00) Valdemort And The Professor Battle
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/HP_OOTF_ch29_1h58min0s.jpg
Chap 29 (2:00:10) Glass Breaks
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/HP_OOTF_ch29_2h0min10s.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:59 AM IronMan Trailer
Near the end...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2009/1667277820_21e515a14a_o.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 08:59 AM "Spiderman 3" - (0:23:17)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2374/2059010089_100d821f59_o.jpg
Tweakophyte 01-09-08, 08:59 AM Jeez! You dun good Doc.
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 09:04 AM Pirates Of The Caribean: At Worlds End- (R1 Disc)
Chap 4 (0:20:35) Flying Dutchman Makes A Sneak Attack
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/POTC_CH04_20min_35s.jpg
Chap 21 (2:03:40 - 2:04:25) 1. Vortex Emerging, 2. Vortex Getting Bigger
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/POTC_CH21_2h_3min_40s-2h_4min_25s.jpg
Chap 25 (2:25:50) 2 Vs. 1
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/POTC_CH25_2h_25min_50s.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 09:05 AM Battlestar Galactica Razor (R1 Disc) LFE Only. Amp Crossover Set To 60Hz
Battlestar Galactica Razor - R1
Chap 3 (0:13:35 - 0:14:30) Cylons Attack
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/BSG_Razor_ch03_13min_35s-14min_30s.jpg
Chap 3 (0:14:50 - 0:15:10) 1. Cylons Attack On The Shipyard 2. BattleStar Explodes
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/BSG_Razor_ch03_14min_50s-15min_10s.jpg
Chap 4 (0:15:50 - 0:16:50) 1. Shipyard Takes Pounding 2. Pegasus Takes Off 3. Takes Even More Off 4. Pegasus Jumps Away
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/BSG_Razor_ch04_15min_50s-16min_50s.jpg
Chap 7 (0:33:50 - 0:35:00) 1. Old Centaurs Attack 2. Battle Continues 3. Continues Even More 4. Pegasus Opens Fire On Their Own 5. Cantaur Fighter Destroys Inside Pegasus
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/BSG_Razor_ch07_33min_50s-35min_0s.jpg
Chap 9 (0:46:00 - 0:47:00) 1. Columbia Explodes 2. Adama Shoots The Cylon
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/BSG_Razor_ch09_46min_0s-47min_0s.jpg
Chap 10 (0:52:45 - 0:54:20) Cylon BaseStar Lift-Off
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/BSG_Razor_ch10_52min_45s-54min_20s.jpg
Chap 18 (1:34:30) Nuke Explodes Inside The Basestar
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/BSG_Razor_ch18_1h_34min_30s.jpg
Matador -R2
Chap 2 (0:05:50 - 0:06:10) 1. Car Explodes 2. Thunder Rumbles
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/Matador_ch02_5min_50s-6min_10s.jpg
Chap 2 (0:07:00 - 0:07:15) Tree Crashes Inside The House And Some Thunder
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/Matador_ch02_7min_0s-7min_15s.jpg
Chap 9 (0:48:00) No Can Do
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/Matador_ch09_48min_0s.jpg
Chap 15 (1:20:10) No Can Do Vol. 2.0
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/DVD/Matador_ch15_1h_20min_10s.jpg
DrPainMD 01-09-08, 09:11 AM Done transferring ALL the WaterFalls over.
The waterfall thread has been archived.
Next step is to add them to the main page.
eightninesuited 01-10-08, 01:59 AM Does anyone know how low the bass extends to in T2, when Arnold nails T-1000 with the shotgun blast?
fumoffu 01-10-08, 09:43 AM Man I just love this thread!!!
anidabi 01-10-08, 03:42 PM So should I post my graphs here from now on?
DrPainMD 01-10-08, 06:08 PM So should I post my graphs here from now on?
yes
DrPainMD 01-12-08, 09:35 AM New one from Pulse from craigsub "I decided to start playing around with the Spectrum Lab software this week. Here is the LFE Feed from the Pulse DVD directly into my Mobile Pre (acting as a sound card) and into software:"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/craigsub/pulsescene.jpg
alan_ct 01-12-08, 11:05 AM Is Pulse the new bass reference above WOTW??? Al
anidabi 01-12-08, 11:42 AM I have new one for you people. Well, not really a new, but it's truly hard core song witch you must have. My friend is a hard core trance fan, and I found this song from his music collection by change.
Infected Mushroom - Institute of Sience
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/CD/Infected_Mushroom_-_Institute_of_Si.jpg
At first glance it sounds just like normal dance song, having those normal bass spikes like umb umb umb, but it is much more than that. The bass sounds a bit harsh and cold, but when you crank the volume up, it feels like the god himself has to come to visit your house. Stongest signal is around ~15Hz and it gets weaker at the upper frequencies unlike in normal songs. This is the first song that really gives a chakedown for my apartment(wich is just one big chunk of concrete), all places rattling and falling apart. :D Of cource you need a big sub wich is low tuned, otherwise the experience will not be as cool.
Hey Scott Simonian, just be easy on this one, otherwise you won't have any place to live. :D
anidabi 01-12-08, 11:45 AM Is Pulse the new bass reference above WOTW??? Al
Pulse is really a bass buffet, but I don't think it is the new king. Not so much really low infrasonics like WOTW. Strong signal and a lot of bass though, but so in the WOTW too.
mailiang 01-12-08, 12:43 PM Pulse is really a bass buffet, but I don't think it is the new king. Not so much really low infrasonics like WOTW. Strong signal and a lot of bass though, but so in the WOTW too.
I agree. The problem I have with Pulse is that the most impressive bass isn't as deep or as clean, as in some other sound tracks like WOTW, Pirates Of The Caribbean Worlds End, Sky Captain, Master And Commander etc.. and it is mostly in that one scene which is mixed just too hot. You can easily damage a driver, if you don't have it properly calibrated, even using a very robust sub.
Ian
anidabi 01-12-08, 01:08 PM The problem I have with Pulse is that the most impressive bass isn't as deep or as clean, as in some other sound tracks like WOTW, Pirates Of The Caribbean Worlds End, Sky Captain, Master And Commander etc.. and it is mostly in that one scene which is mixed just too hot.
Spot on. Pulse also had way too much of bass. Even in the scenes there is no need for it. I was feeling bored watching that c-class movie with too much non needed bass.
If I want to demo bass for anybody, I always use the cannon blast scene from master and commander. IMO it's by far the best bass scene there is. Just amazing. Even the WOTW lighning scene is not as impressive as that. It just hasn't that massive feeling of power.
My other mos favorite bass demo scenen is the superman returns, when the guy with the minigun up on the roof is firing his minigun at slow motion. That is just awesome 20Hz burst bass scene. Wave after wave of air moving.
DrPainMD 01-12-08, 07:31 PM theres lots of talk about Pulse in the SVS Ultra13 thread (around page 40 and on?):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=889659&page=40
NewOrlnsDukie 01-15-08, 10:46 PM You guys might wanna check out 'Sunshine.' I'm watching it right now on BR, and it has some nice LFE.
tazzmissionx 01-16-08, 05:59 PM If anyone is interested, I noticed on Ebay that the new DTS demo discs that were at CES 08 are available.
DrPainMD 01-18-08, 12:43 PM Slowly working on adding waterfalls along side the timestamps on the main page.
1 1/2 pages left to do.
Remember to Post ANY AND ALL WATERFALLS IN THIS THREAD FROM NOW ON
I know this movie isnt available yet for home video, but CLOVERFIELD is going to be #1 on the list, it blew me away.
Tweakophyte 01-20-08, 10:25 AM I know this movie isnt available yet for home video, but CLOVERFIELD is going to be #1 on the list, it blew me away.
Let's hope it has more re-watchability than the recent Godzilla movies... and King Kong for that matter.
Big Worms 01-20-08, 10:55 AM I know this movie isnt available yet for home video, but CLOVERFIELD is going to be #1 on the list, it blew me away.
Oh yes! Great movie!
Let's hope it has more re-watchability than the recent Godzilla movies... and King Kong for that matter.
Trust me it does, I saw it lastnight (jan/20) and im going to see it again monday or tuesday, absolutley amazing.
Oh yes! Great movie!
My ears were ringing after the first explosion :eek:
Logic_BomB 01-21-08, 01:38 PM Any scene in Cloverfield could be a bass-demonstration scene imho. From about 10 minutes into the movie right until the very end there was always the monster's footsteps, gunfire, explosions or buildings crumbling to be heard.
It was like the movie was made to be a very long bass demo. Helps that the movie was fantastic as well!
jayrader 01-21-08, 08:57 PM You guys might wanna check out 'Sunshine.' I'm watching it right now on BR, and it has some nice LFE.
I second this. I thought it had a buttload of LFE. I recently got my dual PB12 Plusses set up and have been running through everything I can get my hands on, and Sunshine really impressed me. I thought I had my room bolted down pretty well, but this movie had things buzzing I didn't ever consider in my room. Awesome but now I have more work to do!
This was Bluray with DTS MA core BTW.
blake18 01-22-08, 08:10 AM You can add in another scene in V for Vendetta, where V says "my turn" and throws the two knives - it's towards the end of the movie. Also, another scene to add would be in Stargate when that huge alien pyramid/ship lands on top of that pyramid the troops are staying in, during the sand storm scene. The LFE in that scene is freakin scary!
One of my all time favorite subwoofer scenes to show off to people is also in The Day After Tomorrow, during the opening credits with the flyby cam of the icebergs - truly effing amazing! This scene ALWAYS gets huge reactions from people when I play it. :D
Let's hope it has more re-watchability than the recent Godzilla movies... and King Kong for that matter.
I loved the new King Kong. :)
Kevin12586 01-22-08, 08:34 AM Good work DrPain, it is very appreciated :D
DrPainMD 01-22-08, 10:18 AM Good work DrPain, it is very appreciated :D
Thanks, and thanks to all for supporting. Over 55,000 views...not that I'm counting. ;)
Kevin12586 01-22-08, 02:07 PM Thanks, and thanks to all for supporting. Over 55,000 views...not that I'm counting. ;)
Now you know you have at least 50,000 views yourself ;)
DrPainMD 01-22-08, 02:31 PM Now you know you have at least 50,000 views yourself ;)
my own views dont count, but if they were to, it be more than 50,000 , it be in the millions
I love my thread and I love all the people who love it!
blake18 01-22-08, 10:47 PM i just got done watching this movie also and there is great bass in it.
the list would be very long with timestamps. just pop it in and enjoy this great movie. you wont be disappointed.
UGH, Eragon was TERRIBLE.
OvalNut 01-22-08, 11:29 PM my own views dont count, but if they were to, it be more than 50,000 , it be in the millions
I love my thread and I love all the people who love it!
And we love you too mad Dr for adding the waterfalls. HUGE bonus. Thanks. :D
Tim
JamesK8 01-23-08, 04:01 AM Gotta add Dragon Wars. It's a Korean director making a mixed eastern and western movie. Story is a bit weird but it's got a great bass track throughout the movie. Think Lord of the Rings meets Blackhawk Down with bad acting.
Here are some times.
Dragon Wars DD on my F113 and Hsu 3.3
Chapter 5 12:20
Chapter 19 56:39
Chapter 19 59:22
Those are three nice long fight sequences. I think you'll love the bass!
saprano 01-23-08, 02:29 PM im new to this home theater stuff but it quickly turned into my hobby, i was just wondering were can i get the tools to test the bass on my sub? where can i get a waterfall chart?
DrPainMD 01-23-08, 03:07 PM im new to this home theater stuff but it quickly turned into my hobby, i was just wondering were can i get the tools to test my the on my sub? where can i get a waterfall chart?
Spectrum Lab Software (used to make waterfalls): http://freenet-homepage.de/dl4yhf/spectra1.html
Spectrum Lab Settings: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/spectrum%20lab/ and http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12517791#post12517791
Tools and Software:
Sound Pressure Level (SPL) Meters
Radio Shack Digital-Display Sound-Level Meter (http://www.radioshack.com/sm-digital-display-sound-level-meter--pi-2103667.html)
Radio Shack Analog Display Sound Level Meter (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103668&cp=2032057.2032187.2032193.2032222&parentPage=family)
Radio Shack SPL Meter Correction Tables (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=505236)
SVS's Radio Shack SPL Meter Compensation Chart (http://www.svsound.com/questions-faqs-rscomp.cfm)
Galaxy Audio SPL Meter (http://www.galaxyaudio.com/galaxy/ProductsCM.html)
Software
Ovation Multimedia - Avia: Guide To Home Theater DVD (http://www.ovationmultimedia.com/avia.html)
Video Essentials: Get The Most Out Of Your Home Entertainment System DVD (http://www.videoessentials.com/)
AVS - jeffreylebowski's Free Software for First Reflection Points (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=822273)
Room EQ Wizard Help Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=529224)
Home Theater Shack: Room EQ Wizard (http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/)
Home Theater Shack: BFD Guide (http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/bfdguide/)
Home Theater Shack: BFD Links (http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/bfd-rew-forum/35-bfd-guide-quick-links-faq-tips.html)
SPL Calculator by C.M.Collins (http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html)
Harman Kardon - Waves & Modes-A Room Resonances Locater (XLS spreadsheet) (http://www.harman.com/wp/pdf/Room%20Mode%20Calculator2002.xls)
TrueRTA Audio Spectrum Analyzer (http://www.trueaudio.com/)
TrueRTA For Dummies (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=572477)
Audio Spectrum Analyzer - Spectrum Lab (Waterfall Chart) (http://freenet-homepage.de/dl4yhf/spectra1.html)
Test Tones, DVD's
Realm Of Excursion (http://www.realmofexcursion.com/) (Download Section)
RealTraps - Test Tone CD (http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm)
Bink Audio Test CD (http://binkster.net/extras.shtml)
Rives Audio Test CD 2 (http://www.rivesaudio.com/software/softframes.html)
Stay in Tune with PentaTone (http://www.sa-cd.net/showtitle/3379)
AVS - DIY Audio Test DVD (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=742969&page=1&pp=30)
VB-Audio - Sine Wave Generator - "LF Generator" (http://www.vb-audio.com/)
See my sig for more on Setting Up Your Home Theater Audio 101 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10118822#post10118822)
mailiang 01-23-08, 05:41 PM Gotta add Dragon Wars. It's a Korean director making a mixed eastern and western movie. Story is a bit weird but it's got a great bass track throughout the movie. Think Lord of the Rings meets Blackhawk Down with bad acting.
Here are some times.
Dragon Wars DD on my F113 and Hsu 3.3
Chapter 5 12:20
Chapter 19 56:39
Chapter 19 59:22
Those are three nice long fight sequences. I think you'll love the bass!
Loads of bass, but not that real deep earth shacking kind.
Ian
saprano 01-23-08, 06:49 PM Spectrum Lab Software (used to make waterfalls): http://freenet-homepage.de/dl4yhf/spectra1.html
Spectrum Lab Settings: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/spectrum%20lab/ and http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12517791#post12517791
Tools and Software:
Sound Pressure Level (SPL) Meters
Radio Shack Digital-Display Sound-Level Meter (http://www.radioshack.com/sm-digital-display-sound-level-meter--pi-2103667.html)
Radio Shack Analog Display Sound Level Meter (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103668&cp=2032057.2032187.2032193.2032222&parentPage=family)
Radio Shack SPL Meter Correction Tables (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=505236)
SVS's Radio Shack SPL Meter Compensation Chart (http://www.svsound.com/questions-faqs-rscomp.cfm)
Galaxy Audio SPL Meter (http://www.galaxyaudio.com/galaxy/ProductsCM.html)
Software
Ovation Multimedia - Avia: Guide To Home Theater DVD (http://www.ovationmultimedia.com/avia.html)
Video Essentials: Get The Most Out Of Your Home Entertainment System DVD (http://www.videoessentials.com/)
AVS - jeffreylebowski's Free Software for First Reflection Points (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=822273)
Room EQ Wizard Help Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=529224)
Home Theater Shack: Room EQ Wizard (http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/)
Home Theater Shack: BFD Guide (http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/bfdguide/)
Home Theater Shack: BFD Links (http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/bfd-rew-forum/35-bfd-guide-quick-links-faq-tips.html)
SPL Calculator by C.M.Collins (http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html)
Harman Kardon - Waves & Modes-A Room Resonances Locater (XLS spreadsheet) (http://www.harman.com/wp/pdf/Room%20Mode%20Calculator2002.xls)
TrueRTA Audio Spectrum Analyzer (http://www.trueaudio.com/)
TrueRTA For Dummies (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=572477)
Audio Spectrum Analyzer - Spectrum Lab (Waterfall Chart) (http://freenet-homepage.de/dl4yhf/spectra1.html)
Test Tones, DVD's
Realm Of Excursion (http://www.realmofexcursion.com/) (Download Section)
RealTraps - Test Tone CD (http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm)
Bink Audio Test CD (http://binkster.net/extras.shtml)
Rives Audio Test CD 2 (http://www.rivesaudio.com/software/softframes.html)
Stay in Tune with PentaTone (http://www.sa-cd.net/showtitle/3379)
AVS - DIY Audio Test DVD (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=742969&page=1&pp=30)
VB-Audio - Sine Wave Generator - "LF Generator" (http://www.vb-audio.com/)
See my sig for more on Setting Up Your Home Theater Audio 101 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10118822#post10118822)
WOW umm... thank's for all that info oh man this seem's harder than i thought.
jedi.night 01-23-08, 08:44 PM Gotta add Dragon Wars. It's a Korean director making a mixed eastern and western movie. Story is a bit weird but it's got a great bass track throughout the movie. Think Lord of the Rings meets Blackhawk Down with bad acting.
Here are some times.
Dragon Wars DD on my F113 and Hsu 3.3
Chapter 5 12:20
Chapter 19 56:39
Chapter 19 59:22
Those are three nice long fight sequences. I think you'll love the bass!
I didn't think the bass was deep, just overly loud. The movie was one of the worst I have ever seen. Pulse looks like the best movie ever made next to dragon wars....
JamesK8 01-23-08, 08:54 PM Loads of bass, but not that real deep earth shacking kind.
Ian
Hmm....Odd. During the fireballs my doors were rattling. What subs are you using and do they go sub 20hz?
I downloaded spectrum analyzer and will try to get a graph if I can make it work.
anidabi 01-24-08, 03:21 AM Pulse looks like the best movie ever made next to dragon wars....
You got to be kidding? :eek: Pulse the best movie ever.... right... :rolleyes:
JamesK8 01-24-08, 05:14 AM The movie is really bad for sure but there's decent bass. Here's the waterfall starting with chapter 5. Thanks to Kweezer and Dr.Pain for the instructions on how to setup the software.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/dragonwars.jpg
Here's a piece of chapter 20. The whole chapter is fighting and explosions.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/dragonwars2.jpg
JamesK8 01-24-08, 05:48 AM Here's a waterfall for Serenity DVD with DD track starting at 10:05
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/serenity.jpg
DrPainMD 01-24-08, 10:40 AM WOW umm... thank's for all that info oh man this seem's harder than i thought.
its not hard, when you have a passion for it and a willingness to learn, its rather easy once you get going.
JamesK8 01-24-08, 01:24 PM WOW umm... thank's for all that info oh man this seem's harder than i thought.
From someone who's never done it before, it takes about 15 minutes to look at kweezer's settings and match them to yours. The only real confusing part was setting the colors of the spectrum to match. Once I figured that out it was easy.
Well one other thing. I needed to find an RCA to mini plug somewhere in the house so I could run the LFE into the line in. Other than that it's real easy and fun.
DrPainMD 01-24-08, 02:36 PM From someone who's never done it before, it takes about 15 minutes to look at kweezer's settings and match them to yours. The only real confusing part was setting the colors of the spectrum to match. Once I figured that out it was easy.
Well one other thing. I needed to find an RCA to mini plug somewhere in the house so I could run the LFE into the line in. Other than that it's real easy and fun.
+1, the color matching is a PIA
DrPainMD 01-24-08, 02:45 PM The movie is really bad for sure but there's decent bass. Here's the waterfall starting with chapter 5. Thanks to Kweezer and Dr.Pain for the instructions on how to setup the software.
Here's a piece of chapter 20. The whole chapter is fighting and explosions.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/dragonwars2.jpg
is it chapter 19 or 20,
also please mention in your post (the one with the waterfalls) what movie it is.
Thanks
DrPainMD 01-24-08, 02:51 PM Well I've finally finished adding ALL the WaterFalls along side the Time Stamps on the Main page!!!! :D:cool:
Took me almost five hours to add a page and a half off them. Thank someone for the invention of beer. :cool:
When adding any new WaterFalls can you please use this time format: Chap X (00:00:00)
Thanks To ALL!
mailiang 01-24-08, 05:12 PM Hmm....Odd. During the fireballs my doors were rattling. What subs are you using and do they go sub 20hz?
I downloaded spectrum analyzer and will try to get a graph if I can make it work.
I think you answered your own question when you posted the waterfall. Also, you may be running your sub a bit hot or you have a lot of room gain in the 30 to 40hz region.
Ian
DrPainMD 01-24-08, 05:21 PM I think you answered your own question when you posted the waterfall. Also, you may be running your sub a bit hot or you have a lot of room gain in the 30 to 40hz region.
Ian
wouldn't this be a reason why reading straight from the disc would be better, so there is no room gain?
JamesK8 01-24-08, 07:54 PM This is straight from disc. There is no room gain.
mailiang 01-24-08, 11:19 PM This is straight from disc. There is no room gain.
That was exactly my point.
Ian ;)
JamesK8 01-25-08, 01:41 AM Ian,
I got your point as I was driving home. Lol. It's a silly movie with bad acting but some fun bass.:D
JamesK8 01-25-08, 03:01 AM Constantine Chapter 25 1:29:14
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/Constantine.jpg
Chapter 30 1:44:39
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/constantine2.jpg
JamesK8 01-25-08, 03:39 AM Smoking Aces Chapt 14 1:15:20
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/smokingaces1.jpg
Chapt 14 1:16:27
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/smokingaces2.jpg
DrPainMD 01-25-08, 03:21 PM Thanks JamesK8 for the waterfalls.
How do you get the color graph in the bottom left hand corner of your charts?
JamesK8 01-25-08, 09:53 PM Honestly I don't know. I downloaded the program Tuesday night and figured out how to use it on Wed by following your instructions. It's a newer version than the one shown in Kweezer's screen shots so it might be a new feature.
anidabi 01-26-08, 03:19 AM Thanks JamesK8 for the waterfalls.
How do you get the color graph in the bottom left hand corner of your charts?
You can tweak all the screen capture settings if you go to File -> Screen Capture ->> Screen Capture Options. It should open the screen capture tab at default.
jedi.night 01-26-08, 06:02 PM You got to be kidding? :eek: Pulse the best movie ever.... right... :rolleyes:
Did you even read my post....? I was referring to how awfull a movie dragon wars is....most of you think Pulse is bad. Well dragon wars makes pulse take the best picture award.....and I'm not kidding, dragon was that bad......:mad:
mailiang 01-26-08, 06:45 PM Did you even read my post....? I was referring to how awfull a movie dragon wars is....most of you think Pulse is bad. Well dragon wars makes pulse take the best picture award.....and I'm not kidding, dragon was that bad......:mad:
I agree. It was sooooooo.......bad that even my cat left the room!http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c160/mailiang/cartoon_cat.gif
Ian :D
JamesK8 01-27-08, 03:36 PM Here's 2Fast2Furious Chapt 1 4:40 in DD
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/2fast2furious2.jpg
Chapt 10 49:51 DD
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/2fast2furious.jpg
JamesK8 01-27-08, 05:28 PM Sci Fi channel's Mammoth on DVD in DD
There's lots of lfe through the movie since you have a mammoth stomping around the whole movie if you can stomach the B-movie. :D Here are some highlights.
Chapter 8 40:18
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/mammoth4018.jpg
Chapt 8 42:08
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/Mammoth4208.jpg
Chapt 15 1:16:38
Check out the nice pink stripe at 5hz. There's another band of it later too.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/Mammoth11638.jpg
JamesK8 01-27-08, 08:18 PM Here's a look at the lfe from the Criterion disc for Armageddon in DD
Chapt 3 7:50
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/Armageddon750.jpg
Chapt 16 1:09:55
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/Armageddon10955.jpg
Chapt 26 2:07:45
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/Armageddon20745.jpg
Chapt 29 2:21:24
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/Armageddon22124.jpg
JamesK8 01-28-08, 01:57 AM Oops I lost the chapters with these.
Tokyo Drift on dvd with DD
Much of the LFE comes from the music tracks.
56:53
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/tokyodrift5653.jpg
1:12:35
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/tokyodrive11235.jpg
anidabi 01-28-08, 04:18 AM Did you even read my post....? I was referring to how awfull a movie dragon wars is....most of you think Pulse is bad. Well dragon wars makes pulse take the best picture award.....and I'm not kidding, dragon was that bad......:mad:
This was the reason I even didn't bother to post any graphs from dragon wars.
DrPainMD 01-28-08, 09:00 AM looks like JamesK8 is happy go lucky with waterfalls :p ;)
...great more work for me :rolleyes:
JamesK8 01-28-08, 11:13 PM Do you want me to scale back? I'm just excited it all works. Now i need to figure out how to use Room EQ Wizard
DrPainMD 01-29-08, 07:08 AM Do you want me to scale back? I'm just excited it all works. Now i need to figure out how to use Room EQ Wizard
no, I was being sarcastic. Keep em' coming.
fumoffu 01-29-08, 10:25 AM Do you want me to scale back? I'm just excited it all works. Now i need to figure out how to use Room EQ Wizard
Please keep 'um coming! I love these things!
DrPainMD 01-29-08, 07:57 PM Jan 29, 2008
Added:
"Armageddon"
1. Chap 3 (0:07:50) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/Armageddon750.jpg)
2. Chap 16 (1:09:55) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/Armageddon10955.jpg)
3. Chap 26 (2:07:45) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/Armageddon20745.jpg)
4. Chap 29 (2:21:24) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/Armageddon22124.jpg)
"2 Fast 2 Furious" HD-DVD
1. Chap 1 (0:04:40) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/2fast2furious2.jpg)
2. Chap 10 (0:49:51) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/2fast2furious.jpg)
"Mammoth"
1. Chap 8 (0:40:18) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/mammoth4018.jpg)
2. Chap 8 (0:42:08) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/Mammoth4208.jpg)
3. Chap 15 (1:16:38) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/Mammoth11638.jpg)
"The Fast and The Furious: Tokyo Drift" HD-DVD
1. Chap ? (0:56:53) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/tokyodrift5653.jpg)
2. Chap ? (1:12:35) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/tokyodrive11235.jpg)
Thanks to JamesK8
JamesK8 01-30-08, 03:13 AM Couldn't believe this didn't get done before.
I think people can definitively see the slam from the cannon shots are coming at 30hz rather than sub 20 which is what I believed when I first bought a sub. Cool stuff.
Master and Commander
Chapter 4 8:58
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/MasterCommander858.jpg
Chapter 4 10:20
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/MasterCommander1020.jpg
Chapter 4 10:52
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/MasterCommander1052.jpg
Chapter 4 14:13
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/MasterCommander1413.jpg
JamesK8 01-30-08, 03:38 AM Jurassic Park III on DVD in DD. Lots of fun bass.
I like how the beginning of the movie sets the tone.
30 seconds into the movie we get dinosaur stomps.
Chapter 1 0:30
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurassicIII030.jpg
You can see the stomp followed by the roar.
Chapter 6 23:54
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurassicIII2354.jpg
Here we have general mayhem with spinosaur attacking the plane.
Chapter 6 24:20
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurrassicIII2420.jpg
After some talky talky the spinosaur resumes his attack.
Chapter 6 25:40
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurrassicIII2540.jpg
TRex starts this sequence with a stomp and then it's the fight with the Spinosaur. It ends with the TRex body thump. The last little bit of red at the top is the Spinosaur roar. Much calmer this time.
Chapter 6 26:43
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurrassicIII2643.jpg
JamesK8 01-30-08, 03:57 AM I was checking out youtube and looking up subwoofers when I ran into this video. Lol. Be careful not to have your sub running too hot. Check out the waterfall. I really enjoy seeing the windshield flex.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CkQ5sU40mLA
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/capt21.jpg
Tweakophyte 01-30-08, 08:45 AM Awsome James! Keep 'em coming!
JamesK8 01-30-08, 03:12 PM Appreciate the comments. I learned a lot from this forum so it's nice to have a way to return the favor.
DrPainMD 01-30-08, 03:19 PM Appreciate the comments. I learned a lot from this forum so it's nice to have a way to return the favor.
now you just need to post some waterfalls of the "thumps and booms" when you make love with your wife... forgive me :p:D:cool:
anidabi 01-30-08, 05:48 PM I was checking out youtube and looking up subwoofers when I ran into this video. Lol. Be careful not to have your sub running too hot. Check out the waterfall. I really enjoy seeing the windshield flex.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CkQ5sU40mLA
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/capt21.jpg
Funny, I was more interested about the hot chick who was driving the car. :D
JamesK8 01-30-08, 08:07 PM now you just need to post some waterfalls of the "thumps and booms" when you make love with your wife... forgive me :p:D:cool:
She's not my wife. I think she's the poster's girlfriend. Any woman who's cool with bass is good in my book. :D
JamesK8 01-31-08, 01:51 AM Well there are a few more waterfalls from Jurrassic 3.
Trachodon stampede
Chapter 10 42:31
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurassicIII4231.jpg
Spinosaurus comes back to say hello and do some heavy stomping
Chapter 12 55:46
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurassicIII5546.jpg
The pterodactyl landing has a deeper bass than trex or spinosaurus. It's hot at 25hz rather than 30.
Chapter 15 1:04:17
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurassicIII10411.jpg
The perodactyl slamming into the cage.
Chapter 15 1:07:07
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurassicIII10707.jpg
Brachiosaur stomp and then roar
Chapter 15 1:10:05
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurassicIII11005.jpg
JamesK8 01-31-08, 05:06 AM Another classic
Opening rolling thunder
Chapter 1 2:43
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/OpenRange243.jpg
Opens with Charley shooting the hired gun in the head.
Followed by blob of general shooting mayhem.
The last 6 distinct lines are Charley shooting at Baxter with the rifle.
Chapter 14 1:42:59
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/OpenRange14259.jpg
This opens with a few shots at Baxter before he runs into the building. Charley switches targets with his rifle and you can see the hot bars are his rifle with small bars of return fire from the lackey. The big boom second from last is the shotgun going off before the rifle shot finishes him off.
Chapter 14 1:44:32
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/OpenRange14432.jpg
Boss Spearman fires a shotgun blast through the building.
Chapter 14 1:46:53
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/OpenRange14653.jpg
Charley guns down the enemy holding Sue hostage.
Chapter 15 1:51:23
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/OpenRange15123.jpg
Big mess of shooting at the end.
Chapter 15 1:55:46
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/OpenRange15546.jpg
DrPainMD 01-31-08, 07:01 AM JamesK8, do you have a list of movies that you have? Maybe we can get some requests?
DrPainMD 01-31-08, 09:05 AM Jan 31, 2008
Updated and Added:
"Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World" DTS-ES DD-EX Blu-ray
1. Under Attack, Chap 4 (0:08:58) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/MasterCommander858.jpg)
2. Under Attack, Chap 4 (0:09:02)
3. Under Attack, Chap 4 (0:10:20) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/MasterCommander1020.jpg)
4. Under Attack, Chap 4 (0:10:52) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/MasterCommander1052.jpg)
5. Under Attack, Chap 4 (0:11:05) 5Hz WaterFall (http://hometown.aol.com.au/jag94784550/Master+commander.jpg)
6. Under Attack, Chap 4 (0:11:15)
7. Under Attack, Chap 4 (0:11:27)
8. Under Attack, Chap 4 (0:11:33)
9. Under Attack, Chap 4 (0:14:13) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/MasterCommander1413.jpg)
"Jurassic Park III" DTS THX
1. Chap 1 (0:00:30) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurassicIII030.jpg)
2. Spino Growls, Chap 6 (0:23:54) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurassicIII2354.jpg)
3. Spino Stomps then Kicks Plane, Chap 6 (0:24:20) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurrassicIII2420.jpg)
4. Spino Stomps then Grabs Plane, Chap 6 (0:24:52 - 0:25:56) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/JP3_ch5_0.jpg) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurrassicIII2540.jpg)
5. T-Rex Steps on Dr. Grant, Chap 6 (0:26:43 - 0:27:23) WaterFall (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/weezR/Waterfalls/JP3_ch6_26.jpg) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurrassicIII2643.jpg)
6. Spino Spins and Knocks Over Tree, Chap 6 (0:27:02)
7. Spino Bites T-Rex's Neck, Chap 6 (0:27:15)
8. T-Rex Dead and Hits the Ground, Chap 6 (0:27:24)
9. Trachodon Stampede, Chap 10 (0:42:31) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurassicIII4231.jpg)
10. Spinosaurus Comes Back, Chap 12 (0:55:46) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurassicIII5546.jpg)
11. The Pterodactyl Landing, Chap 15 (1:04:17) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurassicIII10411.jpg)
12. Pterodactyl Slamming Into The Cage, Chap 15 (1:07:07) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurassicIII10707.jpg)
13. Brachiosaur Stomp and Roar, Chap 15 (1:10:05) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/JurassicIII11005.jpg)
"Open Range" DTS-ES
1. Opening Rolling Thunder, Chap 1 (0:02:43) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/OpenRange243.jpg)
2. Shootout, Chap 14 (1:42:59) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/OpenRange14259.jpg)
3. Shootout, Chap 14 (1:44:32) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/OpenRange14432.jpg)
4. Shootout, Chap 14 (1:46:53) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/OpenRange14653.jpg)
5. Shootout, Chap 15 (1:51:23) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/OpenRange15123.jpg)
6. Shootout, Chap 15 (1:55:46) WaterFall (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/jamesk88/OpenRange15546.jpg)
Thanks JamesK8
DrPainMD 01-31-08, 09:44 AM I'll add one....
"Terminator 3"
The Terminator Arrives, Chap 5 (0:11:40 - 0:12:10)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2359/2232191887_a84909354b_o.jpg
DrPainMD 01-31-08, 10:27 AM Does anyone have the new Halloween (2007) by Rob Zombie?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0373883/
I watched it on TV and it seemed to have some decent BASS. I would like to see some waterfalls of that movie.
JamesK8 01-31-08, 04:09 PM I'm open to requests if people have specific chapters and times. Left to my own devices I'm really bad and won't get other work done. :p I'll post a list of my movies later.
DrPainMD 01-31-08, 05:24 PM I'm open to requests if people have specific chapters and times. Left to my own devices I'm really bad and won't get other work done. :p I'll post a list of my movies later.
once we see what movies you have, I might have a few requests.
JamesK8 01-31-08, 07:18 PM I can post my dvd's later tonight. My Blu-ray discs are all on loan and so are my HD-DVD discs.
JamesK8 02-01-08, 03:31 AM Matrix
Matrix Reloaded
Matrix Revolutions
Die Hard
Die Hard 2
Die Hard 3
LOTR 1
LOTR 2
LOTR 3
Star Wars 1-6
Seven
Gangs of New York
Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
Snatch
Final Fantasy VII Advent Children
Kill Bill Vol 2
War of the Worlds
Kung Pow
South Park
Batman Begins
AvP
Boondock Saints
Millions
Finding Nemo
Kung Fu Hustle
American Beauty
Chronicles of Riddick
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
Memoirs of a Geisha
Smokin Aces
Open Range
Serenity
Flight of the Phoenix
Constantine
Hellboy
War of the Worlds
Jurassic Park III
Perfume
Brotherhood of the Wolf
Aliens
Galaxyquest
HD-DVD's
Batman Begins
Serenity
Bourne Identity
Bourne Supremacy
Bourne Ultimatum
Matrix
Matrix Reloaded
Matrix Revolutions
Frighteners
King Kong
U-571
Can't remember if I have any others. They're out on loan.
Blu-Ray
Spiderman 1-3
Pirates of the Carribean 1-3
Tears of the Sun
Casino Royale
The Patriot
Enter the Dragon
House of Flying Daggers
Mask of Zorro
3:10 to Yuma
Identity
Big Fish
Fifth Element
Underworld Evolution
Hellboy
Blackhawk Down
The Host
Talladega Nights
Nine Inch Nails Live
Bram Stoker's Dracula
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
I have some more, but they're out on loan so I don't remember. :p
fumoffu 02-01-08, 03:33 PM I know this is not a movie, but I am really curious about what the bass demo song "Bass I love You" would look like with a waterfall graph :D
DrPainMD 02-01-08, 04:06 PM I know this is not a movie, but I am really curious about what the bass demo song "Bass I love You" would look like with a waterfall graph :D
Here you go....
Bass, I Love You by Bassotronics - MP3 ( First 1:30 of the song)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2346/2235563236_74e17e2a7a_o.jpg
I haven't actually heard it yet, but its got more pink than any movie out there!
JamesK8 02-01-08, 04:10 PM That's crazy!
fumoffu 02-01-08, 04:30 PM Here you go....
Bass, I Love You by Bassotronics - MP3 ( First 1:30 of the song)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2346/2235563236_74e17e2a7a_o.jpg
I haven't actually heard it yet, but its got more pink than any movie out there!
AWSOME!!! Thank you so much!
If you get on youtube you can see alot of people destroying their cars, and ears with that song! It's a great way to get your drivers moving :)
I watched War on blu-ray last night. There were a couple spots that should make the list. I'll find them over the weekend.
DrPainMD 02-01-08, 05:53 PM AWSOME!!! Thank you so much!
If you get on youtube you can see alot of people destroying their cars, and ears with that song! It's a great way to get your drivers moving :)
I watched War on blu-ray last night. There were a couple spots that should make the list. I'll find them over the weekend.
I searched google for the song and found a bunch of youtube stuff, watched a few videos on utube, one pioneer sub looked like it was rolling like waves.
Keep us posted on "War"
Thanks
anidabi 02-02-08, 07:06 AM I searched google for the song and found a bunch of youtube stuff, watched a few videos on utube, one pioneer sub looked like it was rolling like waves.
Keep us posted on "War"
Thanks
I saw the same youtube clip. :D That basstronics is pretty insane, but it doesn't shake my house as much as Infected mushroom - Institute of sience.
anidabi 02-02-08, 01:27 PM I made some adjustments to the color palette, so now it looks more like the others. Now -20dB is pink and not just dark red like earlier. So, now really strong signal is purple. :p
Here is my version from Bassotronics - Bass, I love You
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/CD/Bassotronics_-_Bass_I_Love_You.jpg
Here some more bassotronics:
Bassotronics - Papa Smurfs Dimensio
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/CD/Bassotronics_-_Papa_Smurfs_Dimensio.jpg
Bassotronics - Powered4Sound
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/CD/Bassotronics_-_Powered4Sound.jpg
Bassotronics - Set The Bass Free
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/CD/Bassotronics_-_Set_The_Bass_Free.jpg
Bassotronics - Technotronics. This feels quite close to infected mushroom - institute of sience. Same kinda cold but hard bass.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/CD/Bassotronics_-_Technotronics.jpg
And here some other bass songs:
Doffo - PR Boom
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/CD/Doffo_-_PR_Boom.jpg
Doffo - Twitchy Sines
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/anidabi/Hifi/Spectrum_lab/CD/Doffo_Twitchy_Sines.jpg
mailiang 02-02-08, 04:12 PM Border Town has some good bass scenes. I suggest you check it out.
Ian
JamesK8 02-02-08, 08:03 PM Thanks Anidabi.
SbWillie 02-03-08, 02:12 PM another one:
OPEN SeasonBlu-Ray
ch.18/19 (50:28-53:25)
ch.25 (1:12:08-28)
Mrkazador 02-04-08, 04:41 PM Misinformation! Post Deleted.
anidabi 02-05-08, 03:30 AM Seems a bit uneasy way to do graphs. Anyway, the LFE channel contains all the sub frequencies if you have cheked the "use small speakers" in your A/V reciever. It bumbs all the bass from other channels to the LFE channel from the applied crossover point.
Mrkazador 02-05-08, 10:47 PM Misinformation! Post Deleted.
Canadian_Dude 02-05-08, 11:54 PM When I try to make the waterfall graphs I play them in WMP and use my sound cards "what you hear" as the input on speclab. For some reason I don't seem to get as much red and pink as you guys in the same scenes. I matched the color scale pretty much exact, I think it might have to do with Windows Vista being retarded. What other ways are there to get the LFE track through SpecLab?
anidabi 02-06-08, 02:40 AM When I try to make the waterfall graphs I play them in WMP and use my sound cards "what you hear" as the input on speclab. For some reason I don't seem to get as much red and pink as you guys in the same scenes. I matched the color scale pretty much exact, I think it might have to do with Windows Vista being retarded. What other ways are there to get the LFE track through SpecLab?
That's because we take LFE only by plugging sub-out into the computers line-in. You in the other hand are taking only the computers internal signal wich is stereo. I don't know how that works, all I know that with my audigy ES sound card I was able to do that as well. That method is not as accurate as plotting LFE and you are not getting as much pink because the adjusted volume doesn't affect to the results.
By plotting LFE, you show what is going to the subwoofer only and not what is goining to every speaker.
fumoffu 02-06-08, 11:07 PM "War" (2007) 7.1 PCM
10:30 car engine, then club music
13:34 boom
16:44 flash back
123:32 another boom
124:40 another flash back
Kevin12586 02-07-08, 08:29 AM "War" (2007) 7.1 PCM
10:30 car engine, then club music
13:34 boom
16:44 flash back
123:32 another boom
124:40 another flash back
Since you said 7.1 pcm, I assume this is the Blu-ray?
blake18 02-07-08, 08:37 AM I was checking out youtube and looking up subwoofers when I ran into this video. Lol. Be careful not to have your sub running too hot. Check out the waterfall. I really enjoy seeing the windshield flex.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CkQ5sU40mLA
God damn dude, you are gonna shatter that windshield!:p
blake18 02-07-08, 08:48 AM I agree. It was sooooooo.......bad that even my cat left the room!http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c160/mailiang/cartoon_cat.gif
Ian :D
No matter how good the bass is, I just cannot bring myself to watch that movie. I am afraid it would scar me...
Also, the footstep intro to Jurassic Park 3 is a great scene to test bass. Sounds amazing.
fumoffu 02-07-08, 09:59 AM Since you said 7.1 pcm, I assume this is the Blu-ray?
yes, here is the full line I think
War (2007) Blu-ray DD-EX 7.1 PCM
I use a Samsumg 1400, which doesn't display the chapter on the LCD screen the way my other players have, I guess I should hit info to get that for the next movie.
The car engine at 10:30 is wicked how it goes low and then turns into the music. I would guess it's maybe 25-30hz. Of course I'd like to see a waterfall of it :)
Mrkazador 02-07-08, 03:45 PM 3:10 to Yuma (Re-Encode from Blu-Ray DTS) 00:07:20
This is when Dan shoots his cow and Wade can hear the gunshot from afar.
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/118/12097839ut8.th.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12097839ut8.jpg)
SbWillie 02-07-08, 09:08 PM 3:10 to Yuma (Re-Encode from Blu-Ray DTS) 00:07:20
This is when Dan shoots his cow and Wade can hear the gunshot from afar.
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/118/12097839ut8.th.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12097839ut8.jpg)
makes the Open Range shot look a little weak in the single digits
.:eek:
Mrkazador 02-07-08, 09:13 PM 3:10 to Yuma has so much LFE under 20hz its not even funny...
DrPainMD 02-08-08, 10:56 AM Feb. 8, 2008
Added:
"War" (2007) 7.1 PCM Blu-ray
1. Car Engine, Then Club Music, Chap ? (0:10:30)
2. Boom, Chap ? (0:13:34)
3. Flash Back, Chap ? (0:16:44)
4. Another Boom, Chap ? (1:23:32)
5. Another Flash Back, Chap ? (1:24:40)
"Open Season" Blu-ray
1. Chap 18/19 (0:50:28 - 0:53:25)
2. Chap 25 (1:12:08 - 1:12:28)
"3:10 To Yuma" DTS Blu-ray
1. Dan Shoots His Cow, Chap ? (0:07:20) WaterFall (http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/118/12097839ut8.jpg)
Thanks fumoffu and Mrkazador.
Very close with the colors fumoffu :cool: Need confirmation on the times for "War", #4 and #5.
Mrkazador, Are you using Speclab now?
fumoffu 02-08-08, 01:31 PM Feb. 8, 2008
"War" (2007) 7.1 PCM Blu-ray
1. Car Engine, Then Club Music, Chap ? (0:10:30)
2. Boom, Chap ? (0:13:34)
3. Flash Back, Chap ? (0:16:44)
4. Another Boom, Chap ? (123:32)
5. Another Flash Back, Chap ?(124:40)
Very close with the colors fumoffu :cool: Need confirmation on the times for "War", #4 and #5.
*sigh* I now think I don't like my display on the Samsung 1400 because I don't know how to read it. War is only 103 minuets, so that must be 1 hour and 23 minuets. And those are my description of the sound not a chapter title. This is seeming to be very tedious work!
Mrkazador 02-08-08, 03:08 PM Feb. 8, 2008
Mrkazador, Are you using Speclab now?
Yes, the only reason is because Sound Forge doesn't allow you to change the "Range Colors". -20db looks almost exactly as 0db, hard to tell with Sound Forge.
DrPainMD 02-08-08, 04:53 PM *sigh* I now think I don't like my display on the Samsung 1400 because I don't know how to read it. War is only 103 minuets, so that must be 1 hour and 23 minuets. And those are my description of the sound not a chapter title. This is seeming to be very tedious work!
Yes it is, but thanks none the less for helping.
Chapter names or a description of the action is fine.
Mrkazador 02-08-08, 05:38 PM Open Season DVD AC3
1. Chap 18/19 (0:50:28 - 0:53:25) This is the scene where the dam breaks and begin floating downstream towards the waterfall.
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9822/88241485yg5.th.jpg (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=88241485yg5.jpg)
2. Chap 25 (1:12:08 - 1:12:28) The duck drops off the propane tank. Slingshot a flare to blow it up.
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/756/33462637dr1.th.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=33462637dr1.jpg)
NewOrlnsDukie 02-08-08, 06:55 PM Is there any way to do waterfalls on a mac?
I feel bad that all I'm doing is mentioning movies and not posting waterfalls, but 'Crimson Tide' on Blu-ray has some great LFE. My Conquest is going to town :D
DrPainMD 02-08-08, 07:26 PM Is there any way to do waterfalls on a mac?
I feel bad that all I'm doing is mentioning movies and not posting waterfalls, but 'Crimson Tide' on Blu-ray has some great LFE. My Conquest is going to town :D
don't feel bad, at least your contributing. ;) what are some times in "Crimson Tide"
I have no idea if the waterfall prog works on mac
DrPainMD 02-08-08, 08:27 PM I tried to think of a "Top 20" movies list that were a must have for BASS and overall surround sound. I would like to break it down even further into categories ( action, sci-fi, animation, horror, etc..) but so far this is what I've come up with.
Once there are enough responses, I will take the most mentioned movies and make the "real" top 20.
In no particular order as of yet... heres mine (I might make changes)
Batman Begins DTS HD-DVD
DareDevil SE & DC DTS
The Fast and The Furious: Tokyo Drift HD-DVD
Finding Nemo DD-EX THX Blu-ray
Flags of Our Fathers HD-DVD Blu-ray
The Haunting DTS-ES DD-EX
Hot Fuzz DD-EX HD-DVD
King Kong (2006) HD-DVD
The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring EE DTS-ES DD-EX
The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers EE DTS-ES DD-EX
The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King EE DTS-ES DD-EX
Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World DTS DD-EX Blu-ray
Pulse (2006) HD-DVD
Running Scared (2006) DTS-ES DD-EX
Superman Returns HD-DVD Blu-ray
Transformers SE HD-DVD
U-571 DTS HD-DVD
War of the Worlds (2005) DTS
Mrkazador 02-08-08, 08:34 PM "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" DTS Superbit DD-EX THX Blu-ray
1. Pirate's Life for Me, Chap 1
Here is the start of the movie, when Elizabeth finds out the boy (William) is a pirate. From a distance she can see the pirate ship.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7757/14324801kq0.th.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14324801kq0.jpg)
"Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" DTS Superbit DD-EX THX Blu-ray
2. Interceptor vs. Black Pearl, Chap 11
In this scene canons are going back and forward, one of the canons had silverware! Pintel takes the spoon out of Ragetti's eye. Scene ends when Jack escapes from the jail cell.
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/1472/84476166nz7.th.jpg (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=84476166nz7.jpg)
NewOrlnsDukie 02-09-08, 01:00 AM I tried to think of a "Top 20" movies list that were a must have for BASS and overall surround sound. I would like to break it down even further into categories ( action, sci-fi, animation, horror, etc..) but so far this is what I've come up with.
Once there are enough responses, I will take the most mentioned movies and make the "real" top 20.
In no particular order as of yet... heres mine (I might make changes)
Batman Begins DTS HD-DVD
DareDevil SE & DC DTS
The Fast and The Furious: Tokyo Drift HD-DVD
Finding Nemo DD-EX THX Blu-ray
Flags of Our Fathers HD-DVD Blu-ray
The Haunting DTS-ES DD-EX
Hot Fuzz DD-EX HD-DVD
King Kong (2006) HD-DVD
The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring EE DTS-ES DD-EX
The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers EE DTS-ES DD-EX
The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King EE DTS-ES DD-EX
Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World DTS DD-EX Blu-ray
Pulse (2006) HD-DVD
Running Scared (2006) DTS-ES DD-EX
Superman Returns HD-DVD Blu-ray
Transformers SE HD-DVD
U-571 DTS HD-DVD
War of the Worlds (2005) DTS
This is a solid list. I think dividing it into LFE and VLFE could conceivably be productive, but it's more work, of course.
BTW, has no one mentioned the Cannon scene from 'Immortal Beloved' on BR?
DrPainMD 02-09-08, 05:11 PM This is a solid list. I think dividing it into LFE and VLFE could conceivably be productive, but it's more work, of course.
BTW, has no one mentioned the Cannon scene from 'Immortal Beloved' on BR?
VLFE ? and whats your top 20?
NewOrlnsDukie 02-09-08, 06:13 PM VLFE ? and whats your top 20?
VLFE (Very low frequency effects) would be the under 20Hz stuff. The only reason I bring it up as an option is that there are some of us that like to see how we do w/ the RIDICULOUSLY low stuff to see how our subs are doing, and there are a lot of sub fans that just don't have subs that can go that low. So, for the VAST majority of people, an LFE top 20 would be a great, and, for those w/ monster subs or extremely-low-tuned subs, a VLFE list could be done.
Just a thought. :)
As for a no-subdivision top 20 list -- damn, that might take a bit of thought (and, frankly, most of our lists would look similar, but there are some on your list that I don't own).
Let's give it a try (top of the list, with ones on your list, will be pretty easy. Then the challenge begins :D):
1) WOTW
2) Finding Nemo
3) Transformers
4) Pulse
5) The Incredibles
6) Smokin' Aces
7) Master and Commander
8) Batman Begins
9) TT
10) ROTK
11) U-571
12) Casino Royale
13) Ghost Rider
14) Monster House
15) Simpson's Movie (this one has some incredible stuff in it)
16) Blackhawk Down
17) Crimson Tide (this MAY just be b/c I just got it and really enjoyed the BR LFE)
18) Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind
19) POTC AWE
20) Apocalypto
OvalNut 02-09-08, 06:59 PM Just a couple more thoughts off the top of my head.... These are movies with alot of VLFE throughout the whole movie, not just a few really low scenes.
Titan A.E. (this is a must for the list)
Man on Fire
Domino
Serenity
Sunshine
Tim
NewOrlnsDukie 02-09-08, 07:06 PM Totally agree on Man on Fire, Sunshine, and Domino. Sunshine was a real pleasure bass-wise
Haven't seen the other two.:o
JamesK8 02-09-08, 11:24 PM Also, the footstep intro to Jurassic Park 3 is a great scene to test bass. Sounds amazing.
Yes I love that dvd. I bought it after renting it. It was a no brainer for 30hz stomping. I highly recommend that one. Another fantastic test is I believe chapter 3 in serenity when they first show the serenity logo and they talk about the ship crashing. There are really hard sharp bass hits move me and resonate many objects in my room. Pretty cool.
JamesK8 02-09-08, 11:29 PM Sorry I haven't been around. Super Tuesday and other projects have had me buried in work.
OvalNut 02-10-08, 12:26 AM Dukie,
You certainly like bass. Do yourself a favor then and BUY, don't rent, Titan A.E. It's a thoughtful, appropropriate, well written relentless bass fest. Think animated Star Wars and you kind of get the idea.
Serenity is just fun. It's also Star Warsy, kinda, though live action. Think of it as if Han Solo were the lead character. The bass grabs you and beats you up some.
Tim
Trofius 02-10-08, 06:36 PM anyone measured the bass in the pixar bonus short film on ratatouille i think it is called "lifted" pretty much just a sub workout from start to finish.
bgillyjcu 02-11-08, 11:27 PM 3:10 to Yuma has so much LFE under 20hz its not even funny...
BUT WHY ONLY ON THE BLU RAY!!!! :mad:
I seriously have to get on the bandwagon just for the audio reasons....
DrPainMD 02-12-08, 08:05 AM BUT WHY ONLY ON THE BLU RAY!!!! :mad:
I seriously have to get on the bandwagon just for the audio reasons....
I take it you've watch the SD version and felt that it was lacking?
DrPainMD 02-12-08, 08:10 AM Master List of DVD Movies with BASS, Top 50 "Must Have" Movies.
So far its at 35, it could go higher?
I added Flight of The Phoenix, plus the others you guys mentioned.
In Alphabetical Order:
1. Apocalypto
2. Batman Begins
3. Blackhawk Down
4. Casino Royale
5. Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind
6. Crimson Tide
7. DareDevil
8. Domino
9. The Fast and The Furious: Tokyo Drift
10. Finding Nemo
11. Flags of Our Fathers
12. Flight of the Phoenix
13. Ghost Rider
14. The Haunting
15. Hot Fuzz
16. The Incredibles
17. King Kong (2006)
18. The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring
19. The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers
20. The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King
21. Man on Fire
22. Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World
23. Monster House
24. Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World's End
25. Pulse
26. Running Scared
27. The Simpson's Movie
28. Serenity
29. Smokin' Aces
30. Sunshine
31. Superman Returns
32. Titan A.E.
33. Transformers
34. U-571
35. War of the Worlds
OvalNut 02-12-08, 09:29 AM :D ... Very smart to list them alpahbetically.
Also, good catch on Tokyo Drift, alot of very surprising bass in that movie.
Tim
photosurrealism 02-12-08, 10:26 AM There's an IMDb keyword "bass" (http://www.imdb.com/List?keywords=bass&&tv=on). Although I've argued for it for years, there's no description of what keywords are supposed to indicate (and some of them are baffling). Does that list look like it means the same thing we're going for here? Those don't all have fish in them.
If so, tag the movies on the thread list in the IMDb. Details here are good, but it'd be handy to use the other IMDb search tools along with the information.
If that keyword's not on the right track, you can make up a new one. Neither "LFE" nor anything like "Low Frequency" are in use yet.
ab
I tried to think of a "Top 20" movies list that were a must have for BASS and overall surround sound. I would like to break it down even further into categories ( action, sci-fi, animation, horror, etc..) but so far this is what I've come up with.
Once there are enough responses, I will take the most mentioned movies and make the "real" top 20.
In no particular order as of yet... heres mine (I might make changes)
Batman Begins DTS HD-DVD
DareDevil SE & DC DTS
The Fast and The Furious: Tokyo Drift HD-DVD
Finding Nemo DD-EX THX Blu-ray
Flags of Our Fathers HD-DVD Blu-ray
The Haunting DTS-ES DD-EX
Hot Fuzz DD-EX HD-DVD
King Kong (2006) HD-DVD
The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring EE DTS-ES DD-EX
The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers EE DTS-ES DD-EX
The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King EE DTS-ES DD-EX
Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World DTS DD-EX Blu-ray
Pulse (2006) HD-DVD
Running Scared (2006) DTS-ES DD-EX
Superman Returns HD-DVD Blu-ray
Transformers SE HD-DVD
U-571 DTS HD-DVD
War of the Worlds (2005) DTS
An American haunting has impressive bass and sorround through out the movie but the movie sucks
Scottfox 02-12-08, 05:08 PM Did I miss something here? Why does your top 50 list only contain 35 movies? Are there currently only 35 movies worthy of the list? Room for expansion in the future? What gives?
NewOrlnsDukie 02-12-08, 05:54 PM Did I miss something here? Why does your top 50 list only contain 35 movies? Are there currently only 35 movies worthy of the list? Room for expansion in the future? What gives?
I think he's leaving openings on the list for suggestions (a great idea, imo)
Mrkazador 02-12-08, 06:01 PM Rescue Dawn (Re-encode of Blu-Ray AC3 640kbps)
2. Chap 6 (0:22:28 - 0:23:01)
Dieter is captured and is hanging by his wrists. They begin shooting next to him and blast one shot right near his ear.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/702/34231456xm2.th.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=34231456xm2.jpg)
DrPainMD 02-12-08, 07:07 PM Did I miss something here? Why does your top 50 list only contain 35 movies? Are there currently only 35 movies worthy of the list? Room for expansion in the future? What gives?
In my original post it was going to be 20 then I later changed it to 50.
"so far this is what I've come up with"
DrPainMD 02-12-08, 07:08 PM I think he's leaving openings on the list for suggestions (a great idea, imo)
erm duh:rolleyes:
NewOrlnsDukie 02-12-08, 07:21 PM erm duh:rolleyes:
I'm less blunt than others, as you can see :D
OvalNut 02-12-08, 07:30 PM D'oh! How about any of the Star Wars movies?
My favorite of those from a bass perspective is Attack of the Clones.
Tim
DrPainMD 02-12-08, 08:21 PM D'oh! How about any of the Star Wars movies?
My favorite of those from a bass perspective is Attack of the Clones.
Tim
sounds like a worthy addition,
An American haunting has impressive bass and sorround through out the movie but the movie sucks
I liked the movie, except for the ending
DrPainMD 02-13-08, 03:02 PM I've updated the first 3 posts with some anchors and cleaned it up some. (Look under the Large font "The Master List", and click on the abcdef.... and you'll goto the letter)
I added the top 50 (work in progress)
I'm always looking for ways to improve and hopefully it will make navigation a bit easier.
Thanks,
DrPainMD
mdk2007 02-13-08, 07:23 PM i hope Live Free or Die Hard makes that list....some of those scenes are just mind blowing :) granted not in the league of Master and Commander or WOW but still tons of fun to watch....HOt Fuzz also was flat out ridiculous...great job with everything DrPain! Ive really enjoyed your work and having this as a reference...really made movies more fun!!
Ben
DrPainMD 02-13-08, 07:55 PM i hope Live Free or Die Hard makes that list....some of those scenes are just mind blowing :) granted not in the league of Master and Commander or WOW but still tons of fun to watch....HOt Fuzz also was flat out ridiculous...great job with everything DrPain! Ive really enjoyed your work and having this as a reference...really made movies more fun!!
Ben
Live Free or Die Hard... anyone second it as a Top 50 contender?
Also what about, An American Haunting?
Star Wars: Attack of The Clones?
Theres 15 spots left to make 50.....
croseiv 02-13-08, 08:04 PM Live Free or Die Hard... anyone second it as a Top 50 contender?
Also what about, An American Haunting?
Star Wars: Attack of The Clones?
Theres 15 spots left to make 50.....
Yes to Attack of the Clones, also, I'd like to suggest the Phantom Menace (Star Wars) how can we forget the Pod Race? There's lots of deep bass in that movie.
SbWillie 02-13-08, 08:08 PM Rescue Dawn (Re-encode of Blu-Ray AC3 640kbps)
2. Chap 6 (0:22:28 - 0:23:01)
Dieter is captured and is hanging by his wrists. They begin shooting next to him and blast one shot right near his ear.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/702/34231456xm2.th.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=34231456xm2.jpg)
for once the direct from disc bass matches the LFE...hit 0 on my comp's readout.:eek:
anidabi 02-14-08, 12:30 AM Yes to Attack of the Clones, also, I'd like to suggest the Phantom Menace (Star Wars) how can we forget the Pod Race? There's lots of deep bass in that movie.
Last I check star wars had a lot of bass, but not so much deep bass. Mainly the bass is blooming around 40Hz, especially in the pod race scene.
anidabi 02-14-08, 12:44 AM Live Free or Die Hard... anyone second it as a Top 50 contender?
Also what about, An American Haunting?
Star Wars: Attack of The Clones?
Theres 15 spots left to make 50.....
Live free or die hard had few really good bass scenes, but I'm not sure if it should be in the list.
One thing I'm sure, the flags of our fathers should be replaced with Letter From Iwo Jima. It has by far better action scenes, sounds and more deep bass. The navy cannon shot are also included in the LFIJ. Even the movie is a lot better than FOOF.
Kevin12586 02-14-08, 08:27 AM Live Free or Die Hard... anyone second it as a Top 50 contender?
Also what about, An American Haunting?
Star Wars: Attack of The Clones?
Theres 15 spots left to make 50.....
Live Free or Die Hard had only a few good bass scenes, but in my mind, it is the best sounding Blu-ray (DTS-MA) that I have heard so far. This includes the few bass scenes, use of surrounds and clear dialog. But as for Bass, I don't think it should make the list.
John Ballentine 02-14-08, 10:51 AM Live Free or Die Hard had only a few good bass scenes, but in my mind, it is the best sounding Blu-ray (DTS-MA) that I have heard so far. This includes the few bass scenes, use of surrounds and clear dialog. But as for Bass, I don't think it should make the list.
I agree w/ everything except I think IT SHOULD make the list :) Even though it had only a few Bass scenes - the ones it had were Amazing. Especially the freeway collapsing scene at the end! Geeeze - I thought my Buttkickers were gonna eject me from the chair (need to install seat belts :eek:).
OvalNut 02-14-08, 11:17 AM Also, don't forget the sound of the machine guns in the apartment attack scene at the beginning. There was ALOT of infrasonic mixed into those gun sounds.
Still, I agree it's not a 'bass' movie. Excellent soundtrack though, really outstanding.
Tim
Kevin12586 02-14-08, 01:00 PM Also, don't forget the sound of the machine guns in the apartment attack scene at the beginning. There was ALOT of infrasonic mixed into those gun sounds.
Still, I agree it's not a 'bass' movie. Excellent soundtrack though, really outstanding.
Tim
Agreed, the sound of the guns in the movie were wonderful :D
Mrkazador 02-14-08, 08:31 PM Planet Terror (Cable/Satellite? Rip AC3)
01:31:30-01:32:11
In this scene JT has the detonator and is with his dying brother. Lots of LFE in this scene (sub 10hz). I picked the loudest part right after his brother dies.
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3794/94161187ex3.th.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=94161187ex3.jpg)
Flageborg 02-16-08, 08:21 AM DareDevil waterfall
Flageborg 02-16-08, 08:26 AM Live Free or Die Hard... anyone second it as a Top 50 contender?
BASS & SUB-BASS performance - its a Top 10
Flageborg 02-16-08, 08:55 AM Die Hard 4.0 waterfall
Flageborg 02-16-08, 09:43 AM Top 50 "Must Have" BASS Movies addons
- Die Hard 4.0
- Mr. & Mrs. Smith
- X-men III
- Poseidon
- Matrix
- The Island
- Open Range
- Fantastic 4
- xXx
- House Of Flying Daggers
- Sin City
- Fifth Element
- Underworld
- We Were Soldiers
- Minority Report
- Riddick
- Hellboy
OvalNut 02-16-08, 09:55 AM Don't forget Matrix: Revolutions
I really like Open Range, and it has a fantastic sound track. You've got the opening thunderstorm, the shotgun in the saloon, and the closing gunfight. But is it really a bass movie?
Tim
Flageborg 02-16-08, 10:44 AM Don't forget Matrix: Revolutions
I really like Open Range, and it has a fantastic sound track. You've got the opening thunderstorm, the shotgun in the saloon, and the closing gunfight. But is it really a bass movie?
Tim
There are several kinds of BASS - and the list should represent the very best BASS scenes. Open Range is one of them.
mdk2007 02-16-08, 12:04 PM I will deff. give my vote for Die Hard 4.0 and X-Men 3...the bridge scene and house breaking in X-men is just wicked lol...as far as Die Hard...i thought there was tons of bass throughout most of the film...even at some points where it would just come out of no where...granted a pretty decent set-up is needed for some real leg shaking but its really enjoyable to watch...Cant wait to go Blu and really enjoy it! :)
DrPainMD 02-17-08, 10:18 AM Top "50" "Must Have" BASS Movies (in progress)
In Alphabetical Order:
Apocalypto
Batman Begins
Blackhawk Down
Casino Royale
Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind
Crimson Tide
The Chronicles of Riddick
DareDevil
Domino
Fantastic 4
The Fast and The Furious: Tokyo Drift
Finding Nemo
Fifth Element
Flags of Our Fathers
Flight of the Phoenix
Ghost Rider
The Haunting
Hellboy
Hot Fuzz
House Of Flying Daggers
The Incredibles
The Island
King Kong (2006)
Live Free or Die Hard
The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring
The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers
The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King
Man on Fire
Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World
The Matrix
The Matrix Revolutions
Minority Report
Monster House
Mr. & Mrs. Smith
Open Range
Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World's End
Poseidon
Pulse
Running Scared
The Simpson's Movie
Serenity
Sin City
Smokin' Aces
Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones
Sunshine
Superman Returns
Titan A.E.
Transformers
U-571
Underworld
War of the Worlds
We Were Soldiers
X-Men 3: The Last Stand
xXx
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Total: 54
Either 4 have to go or make the top 50 a top 100?
Mrkazador 02-17-08, 02:34 PM OH MY...
We Own the Night (Re-Encode of Blu-Ray DTS)
00:57:00 - 01:00:00
Bobby visits Vadim's operation.
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1531/96558453zb8.th.jpg (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=96558453zb8.jpg)
Flageborg 02-17-08, 03:17 PM Either 4 have to go or make the top 50 a top 100?
I would remove
- King Kong
- Ghost Rider
- U-571
- Casino Royale
- Monster House
- Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind
- The Matrix
OvalNut 02-17-08, 03:18 PM Now THAT really is ridiculous. Oh my is right! :D
... note to self: Buy "We Own the Night".
Tim
OvalNut 02-17-08, 03:19 PM I'd keep King Kong. Portions of it have SUCH well defined bass that it's worthy of the list.
Tim
Flageborg 02-17-08, 03:22 PM OH MY...
We Own the Night (Re-Encode of Blu-Ray DTS)
00:57:00 - 01:00:00
One To Watch :)
Placed order now.......;)
Mrkazador 02-17-08, 03:26 PM One To Watch :)
Placed order now.......;)
It's an ok movie but some scenes do get intense like the waterfall chart I posted. Has that Silent Hill sound to it, very creepy. Also worth mentioning, there is a scene where you see Eva's booby! :cool:
Flageborg 02-17-08, 03:46 PM It's an ok movie but some scenes do get intense like the waterfall chart I posted. Has that Silent Hill sound to it, very creepy.
Audio represents at least 80% of any movie experience.....
Try to watch a movie on the TV-speakers - never again.
DrPainMD 02-18-08, 01:44 AM Either 4 have to go or make the top 50 a top 100?
I would remove
- King Kong
- Ghost Rider
- U-571
- Casino Royale
- Monster House
- Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind
- The Matrix
I don't agree with removing:
King Kong
Casino Royale
U-571
I loved the intro for Casino, was pretty cool with all the jumping between buildings and then the explosion in the courtyard.
King Kong had lots of bass, maybe not very low but lots.
The rest I dont remember.
On a side note, once all this "top 50" gets sorted out, I'd like to rank the movies on a scale of 5 stars. 5 being Bass heavy and 1 being bass light.
mdk2007 02-18-08, 11:50 AM i agree that there are others that should go before King-Kong and U-571...the depth charges are used as reference for a lot of people...also...didn't the first matrix have some pretty sick bass?? Also, if you wanna feel like a kid but also have utterly stupid amounts of bass...watch Happily Never After...there is some ridiculous stuff in there...
I havent seen close encounters or monster house, but thats my opinion on the list to remove :)
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