As far as Cloverfield goes, the movie is touch and go... If you can get past the first 30 minutes the bass scene/earthquake literally made three people in my room scream it was so intense..

and where is this top list???

I only missed Die Hard 4.0 (2007) by just one day at the Empire Leicester square and had to settle with Transformers (2007) in 56KW of JBL customized THX July 26th 2007.:eek::eek:

wow! No way our new THX theater has 56K watts in their Warren Grande theatres.:eek:

btw, when is Cloverfield be out??? (DVD? Bluray?)

Looks like April 22.

Looks like April 22.

tks! looking forward to! :)

so im really excited to see what cloverfield is like on some real dedicated systems!! mainly my own, but im really hoping it will be close to WOTW type ridiculously-low-most people cant play type bass :)

what scenes do you think will be the best?? the subway scene sounds like some really good stuff...and of course the first earthquake. thoughts?

I found there to be a lot of heavy bass scenes starting from the earthquake at the end of that insipid party. The subway scenes were very good. Artillary scenes were good. Bombing scenes were good. I'm going to have to watch the movie agian.

Looks like April 22.

btw, is it DVD or Bluray?? 'cos I can't seem to find any info 'bout it from highdefdigest's release date....??

Looks like we dont get the dts sound in cloverfield dvd.:confused:

btw, is it DVD or Bluray?? 'cos I can't seem to find any info 'bout it from highdefdigest's release date....??

That date seems to be for the standard DVD. Blu-ray date is unclear. Also, rumor has it that the Blu-ray version may not have the extras and alt endings that the standard one will have.

I just saw the Sweeney Todd movie. The organ that plays in the very beginning is cool. It also has some deep bass during the rest of the movie.

How does the Ironhide flipping scene in Transformers compare on the DVD with Dolby Digital versus on the HD-DVD with Dolby Digital Plus? Would it hit less with the plain ol' Dolby Digital (DVD) version?

I hear it's a nice LFE demo, and I want to use this as a demo for folks but I'm not gonna buy an HD-DVD player for one movie/scene...

Wish they would release it on Blu with TrueHD and then I'd be all set...

How does the Ironhide flipping scene in Transformers compare on the DVD with Dolby Digital versus on the HD-DVD with Dolby Digital Plus? Would it hit less with the plain ol' Dolby Digital (DVD) version?

I hear it's a nice LFE demo, and I want to use this as a demo for folks but I'm not gonna buy an HD-DVD player for one movie/scene...

Wish they would release it on Blu with TrueHD and then I'd be all set...


The consensus (over at AH) seems to be that the SD version has a better "hotter" bass mix (DD). I hit 98 dB listening at -15 below on the MV. It's a nice low sweep.

How does the Ironhide flipping scene in Transformers compare on the DVD with Dolby Digital versus on the HD-DVD with Dolby Digital Plus? Would it hit less with the plain ol' Dolby Digital (DVD) version?




Here is a waterfall from DD standard DVD....and my results are:

119dB - MV(-10)

http://www.flageborg.no/SVSpatruljen/Waterfall/Transformers_Pulse.JPG

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[QUOTE=Flageborg;13619174]Here is a waterfall from DD standard DVD....and my results are:

119dB - MV(-10)

Wow! That's loud. Do you run your sub hot? It that from your listening position (how far from the sub)?

Nice waterfall too. I knew it went pretty low in that scene.

(c next post)

I just saw "Crank" on TV (yes I'm slow with watching new releases), wow that move makes you wanna quit coffee! Or drink more of it , whatever your case may be. Lots of Bass. Very well done in the "artistic" department.

You'll get wood for Bass in this movie :p :rolleyes:

Water Horse: LEgend of the Deep has some good bass throughout the 2nd half of the film..
Best of all it's one of only a few family bass films.

ch. 20 (1:02:15-1:08:04 )27 Hz

ch. 22 (1:15:04-1:16:30) 13 Hz

ch.23>25 (1:19:38-1:24:40)

ch.25 (1:25:38-1:27:33) 11 Hz

ch.26 (1:31:09-1:39:23)

ch. 28 (1:41:22-28)

I threw this thing in the DVD player for a whirl listeninig with the new PB13-Ultra. All I can say is WOW. The Ultra made the Aliens coming out of the ground seem like an earthquake in my living room for sure. The Ultra absolutely handled this scene effortlessly. I did listen at -23 on the MV (for DTS). I usually listen at -15 (DD) calibrated at 70 dB with Avia II. No distortion when the horns blow either. Cool movie IMO (not the best plot), but excellent bass effects to work your sub.

Shooter waterfall

http://www.flageborg.no/SVSpatruljen/Waterfall/Shooter.JPG

thats some nice bass lol! have to look it up...still cant wait to see what cloverfield has to offer...esp with some waterfalls :)

Well, I've spent the last 8 hours celebrating the ps3's new DTS-MA capabilities by going through a few of my movies with DTS-MA tracks. And I may be imagining things, but both I, Robot and Independence Day both seem to have been seriously bolstered in their LFE with the DTS-MA tracks rather than DTS core. I still have about 20 more flicks to go through, but it seems that our subs will be very thankful for this new capability. :)

Am I imagining this one?

BTW, can't wait for 'Golden Compass' -- no doubt it'll have some solid stuff.

April 18, 2008

Added:

"Live Free or Die Hard" SE Blu-ray
1. Chap 5 (0:11:48) WaterFall (http://www.flageborg.no/SVSpatruljen/Waterfall/DieHard4_I.JPG)
3. Chap 15 (0:42:29) 18Hz WaterFall (http://www.flageborg.no/SVSpatruljen/Waterfall/DieHard4_II.JPG)
5. Chap 33 (1:48:00) 8-14Hz WaterFall (http://www.flageborg.no/SVSpatruljen/Waterfall/DieHard4_III.JPG)

"Shooter" HD-DVD Blu-ray
1. Chap 1 (0:04:08) 32Hz WaterFall (http://www.flageborg.no/SVSpatruljen/Waterfall/Shooter.JPG)
2. Chap 1 (0:04:10)
3. Chap 1 (0:04:21) 22Hz

"Water Horse: Legend of the Deep" Blu-ray
1. Chap 20 (1:02:15 - 1:08:04) 27 Hz
2. Chap 22 (1:15:04 - 1:16:30) 13 Hz
3. Chap 23-25 (1:19:38 - 1:24:40)
4. Chap 25 (1:25:38 - 1:27:33) 11 Hz
5. Chap 26 (1:31:09 - 1:39:23)
6. Chap 28 (1:41:22 - 1:41:28)


Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street CE

ok. so im thinking that someone needs to post cloverfield impressions once they get it up and running. i wont be able to check it out till this weekend (and all the other demo's im trying to work through :)) but deff excited about seeing what type of damage i can do to the house :)

will let you know after tonight! ;)

Just get past the silly party scene in the early part of the movie and then you're in for a good ride.

This movie has some serious loud bass. I don't know how low it goes but it was great.

This movie has some serious loud bass. I don't know how low it goes but it was great.

Are you watching the DVD version or Blu ray?

DVD, I did not know is was in bluray(blockbuster).

DVD, I did not know is was in bluray(blockbuster).

I don't think the blu ray version was out yet. But just wondering because some of the people in this forum have connections. Is the DVD version DTS or DD?

It was DD. I did not measure(first time I have watched it) but I will bet there were many parts over 120 db's.

It was DD. I did not measure(first time I have watched it) but I will bet there were many parts over 120 db's.

What type of subs do you have? I have dual 3.3 HSU with MBM-12.

I have 4 sonosubs with the eD 18 inch driver tuned to 14.1 hz. .

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z127/spinefixr/DifferentangleofJTRtriple8sandsonos.jpg

I have pinned my spl meter(126db's) during WOTW pod emerging scene many times. I did not watch at reference levels(cloverfield) but I will find out tomorrow

Don't know if I even qualify to post here. I have a Logitech Z-5500 subwoofer, (awaiting epik castle upgrade) and it has never shaken my apartment or impressed me in any way. But it did during Cloverfield!
My HTiB sub was shaking the walls during Cloverfield!

The whole first-person videographer thing made me want to throw up though.

But what a great LFE movie!

best parts are

open paramount/bad robot logo
earthquake in party
big fireball explosion
statue of libertys head hits building
crysler building comes down and then incoming debris/dust cloud
bridge
firefight in the alley(tanks,missiles,stomps)
subway station(some strong stuff there)
monster in full scale/eating of camcorder man(serious stuff there:eek:)
rob and beth in under bridge

damn, i forget timestamps.

Yep its full of LFE :eek: I enjoyed it so much I watched it back to back last night :D

yeah, it does have some serious bass!!!

HOWEVER, be sure NOT to watch it on a big screen!! we was watching it in our HT (100", 10' away!), 'bout half way through, both of our stomach sick and my GF feel dizzy.... we gotta go upstair and end up finished it in the living room on a small (50") TV!!

cloverfield has some really demanding bass. my svs pb12-nsd was bottoming out in a few scenes. i think i need to upgrade LOL

cloverfield has some really demanding bass. my svs pb12-nsd was bottoming out in a few scenes. i think i need to upgrade LOL

Yes the movie is nonstop bass. My dual 3.3 and mbm-12 had a serious workout:D

Don't know if I even qualify to post here. I have a Logitech Z-5500 subwoofer, (awaiting epik castle upgrade) and it has never shaken my apartment or impressed me in any way. But it did during Cloverfield!
My HTiB sub was shaking the walls during Cloverfield!

The whole first-person videographer thing made me want to throw up though.

But what a great LFE movie!

Oohhh...your neighbors are gonna HATE you... :D

Nah, they'll be fine.... he'll get evicted first. :eek:


Tim

Wow, Cloverfield has a tremendous, copious, slightly e[pic amount of stomping bass.
Didn't caret o see the film in theaters and rented as an extra....glad I did just for the audio experience and it's only DD 5.1.
Too bad no BR.

Not "Pulse" disgusting level, but alot.
Think Hot Fuzz, but lower frequency on average.

I had to downsize subs while I temporarily rent and it would rip the 8" sub apart on my X-Sub if I let it....god I wish I had my A5-350 :(

As a recommendation, when waterfalls of Cloverfield, please don't include any pictures of the monster (for those of us that haven't seen the movie yet) ;)

As a recommendation, when waterfalls of Cloverfield, please don't include any pictures of the monster (for those of us that haven't seen the movie yet) ;)

Agreed. But I may be able to pick it up this weekend. I hope it lives up to what people are saying. My SubMersive needs another good movie to give it a workout:D.

Trust me, your gonna love it.

MikeDuke,
Your submersive will love you for it. Where are all the guys with the waterfalls? I want to know how deep it goes. I know, patience is a virtue.

MikeDuke,
Your submersive will love you for it. Where are all the guys with the waterfalls? I want to know how deep it goes. I know, patience is a virtue.

I hope so:). I have been told that The Host is also a pretty good monster movie. I might pick that up as well. I am sure your sono's will like it just as much. Those are pretty cool looking and I am sure they are great. We can never have to much demo stuff can we. I am sure that it will be great Mike.

We watched Cloverfield last night with my new A5-350.. holy god. I initially turned the gain up a bit before we hit play. Almost immediately I dialed it back to my usual setting because it was shaking the wine bottles in our rack more than expected. My roommate got home and said he heard it down the street on his way in and thought it was thunder.

So I turned it back even more.. I don't need cracks in our walls!

That is what's shocking about the movie, before it even starts it hits you hard. Like Jurassic Park 3 but louder.

That is what's shocking about the movie, before it even starts it hits you hard. Like Jurassic Park 3 but louder.

I LIKE the sound of that ;)

well i guess this will be getting some air time in between the 15 demo disc's ive burned :)

im really interested to see some waterfalls showing just the overall levels and depth of bass. just imagine what will happen with some HD codes :)

When I watched this movie it was at 15 db's below reference and it was still shaking the theater violently. I usually have to turn it up to at least -7db's for the same effect. At reference, my new sono's show their true colors(talk about overkill). It flexes my hardwood floors above me in the kitchen. It shocked me when I felt that, usually(other subs) it just vibrates and rattles doors and pans.

When I watched this movie it was at 15 db's below reference and it was still shaking the theater violently. I usually have to turn it up to at least -7db's for the same effect. At reference, my new sono's show their true colors(talk about overkill). It flexes my hardwood floors above me in the kitchen. It shocked me when I felt that, usually(other subs) it just vibrates and rattles doors and pans.
:D Nice. I have only seen walls flex one time. At a store with a JM Labs Sub Utopia Be. It was shaking their 27,000 sqf building. It was one of the few times I was ever scared of what was happening. Can't wait to get this one. Hopefully we can get some waterfalls to see what we are feeling.

The flexing did actually scare me for the first time. I did not even know it was happening because I am always in the theater. My wife came down stairs and said switch with me, I thought she wanted to hear the new subs(she loves them BTW) but it was for me to hear what was happening upstairs. Since it is the floor flexing it was a different experience. I walked on the floor and it was vibrating alot(normal) but then a stomp occurred and it lifted me in the air(picture the ground coming up like in pod emerge scene), that scared the crap out of me. My theater is sound dampened and heavily insulated too, including the ceiling. I am almost afraid of running it at reference levels now, ALMOST.

my comp is down once again or I would've posted C'field w'falls. SInce it is down I have yet to iew the disc on my coffee table..sounds awesome based on the posts here!

HO-LEE CRAP

Cloverfield is absolutely ridiculous. I feel like I need a cigarette after that experience.:D

How many thousand waterfalls will there be for this thing?

This is 6 stars baby!!:p

Loaded is loaded with deep bass. Produced room rattles that I never heard before.

Ian

HO-LEE CRAP

Cloverfield is absolutely ridiculous. I feel like I need a cigarette after that experience.:D

How many thousand waterfalls will there be for this thing?

This is 6 stars baby!!:p

for this process...ZERO waterfalls.

but anyway was there any bass when the monster slams the bridge in half?

CLOVERFIELD (straight from disc NOT LFE):

ch.5 (19:53-20:20) (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch5shouldvelefttownearlier.jpg)0hz

ch.5 (21:16-21:45) (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch5buildingcollapse.jpg)

ch.5 (22:00-22:50) (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch5buildingcollapse2.jpg)

ch. 6 (26:09-26:49) (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch6bridgecrossing.jpg)

ch.6 (27:42-28:59) (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch6bridgecollapseJason.jpg)

ch14 (1:04:53)8 HZ-10

ch.14 (1:05:20-1:06:52) (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch14EVAC.jpg)


ch. 15 (1:09:52) (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch15bridgerun.jpg)

finally some waterfalls and very nice bass indeed:D thanks.

finally some waterfalls and very nice bass indeed:D thanks.there's plenty more obviously...(see the ch.8 street fight!)

I'd have to post at least 2 dozen charts to come close to covering just 1/2 the movie...:oI just now got to the leaning building...sequence (tried to not give out a spoiler!)


MERCY!
The early chapters are just warm ups 2 chapters 14 and 15! WOW!

Pain needs a 6 star category after this!

THIS WILL SUM IT ALL UP:



Cloverfield
19:53- 1:13:09



:eek::eek::eek::eek:C ya ,WOTW!:p

Those waterfalls illustrate what I heard. There is ALOT of DEEP bass....but it really could be louder. Another 3-4db in certain scenes would peg this as a 5 star effort. That's the difference between it at WOTW. WOTW is deep, not quite so deep though, and LOUD room moving bass.

It just seems to me that Cloverfield shows up with the goods but doesn't close the deal on the LFE.


Tim

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:eek::eek::eek::eek:C ya ,WOTW!:p

No doubt. I almost felt sorry for my Conquest (and my entire neighborhood), even though it handled every subsonic bit without breaking a sweat. Just an incredible new standard-bearer for bass movies.

Those waterfalls illustrate what I heard. There is ALOT of DEEP bass....but it really could be louder. Another 3-4db in certain scenes would peg this as a 5 star effort. That's the difference between it at WOTW. WOTW is deep, not quite so deep though, and LOUD room moving bass.

It just seems to me that Cloverfield shows up with the goods but doesn't close the deal on the LFE.


Tim

I agree there was a lot of bass but it needed to be a couple of db's louder and it would of taken over WOTW.

If they had put it a couple db's louder, my plaster walls would've cracked and my Great Dane would've eliminated all over the floor.

Those waterfalls illustrate what I heard. There is ALOT of DEEP bass....but it really could be louder. Another 3-4db in certain scenes would peg this as a 5 star effort. That's the difference between it at WOTW. WOTW is deep, not quite so deep though, and LOUD room moving bass.

It just seems to me that Cloverfield shows up with the goods but doesn't close the deal on the LFE.


Timin chapters 13 and 14 there's plenty of single digit Hz stuff that is PINK on my comp...IOW: within 10 Db of ref. level.THe further in the movie it gets the louder the bass gets overall..I just don't want to post THAT many charts! :D

kinda sad most of us miss the single dig stuff!

The last half hour esspecially rocked. It is a film that really wants to played loud. It is a demo piece. I don't know if I would say that it is better then WOTW. But it can hang with it IMO. Over all a satisfying movie for sound. And I did not get sick :).

I wouldn't say that Cloverfield contains my favorite alltime bass scene. That lies somewhere between U-571 "Depth Charged", WOTW Ch 5, and the early attack scene in Master and Commander. However, Cloverfield may be my favorite overall bass movie for having plenty of heavy bass throughout and the bass seems to be appropriate for what is going on action-wise.

So is it safe to say my PB13 Ultra will love or hate this movie?

The problem with the Cloverfield bass is that it is so constant you get used to it. It's like the Playboy Mansion of bass.
:D

The movie was just okay for me... too much shaky-cam, but it was fun to watch once.

The problem with the Cloverfield bass is that it is so constant you get used to it.

There's definitely some truth to that.

I think my favorite scene is the scene where the tank pulls up and starts firing. When the monster takes that one step I could feel the floor flex. I also like the part just after that where they are in the sub way tunnel. It really makes you feel like your there.

One last add-on:

chapter 15 run to the bridge:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch15bridgerun.jpg
comp is acting up every time I put in a disc so that's all...:(

Is there a timestamp for that 10 hz scene? I want to see what my system can do at 10 hz.(spl)

Is there a timestamp for that 10 hz scene? I want to see what my system can do at 10 hz.(spl)Should be around 1:08:00-1:09:00...just stop, FFing when u see the cam running towards the bridge. Sorry my comp is barely off of life support.:(

OK thanks, I will have to rent this again. I was hoping there was low stuff because I know it was loud. I would put this on par with WOTW.

I agree there was a lot of bass but it needed to be a couple of db's louder and it would of taken over WOTW.

Yup, but this is only dd... imagine what it could do in dts like wotw ddvsdts:eek:

Yup, but this is only dd... imagine what it could do in dts like wotw ddvsdts:eek:

Or turn up your bass 2 db's, but I don't think this movie needs it. Transformers(to me) was recorded normal but to get levels like WOTW you can turn it up 5 db's(master volume) and watch Transformers come alive like the other movies. The matrix reloaded is the same way.

Watched Eragon (SD DVD). Very impressive bass in that movie...especially when Eragon first touches the baby dragon, I swear my hair blew at that scene.

Yup, but this is only dd... imagine what it could do in dts like wotw ddvsdts:eek:

My thoughts exactly! This is a very impressive DD release. WOTW is still my all time favorite LFE track (DTS - the storm and Pod emergence scenes) but this comes in a close second. I wonder what audio tracks they will put on the Blu-ray release.

Funny thing... I told my wife that I would be watching Cloverfield instead of AVP:Requeim because I knew that AVP:Requeim had a DTS track and I was getting a late start watching and wanted to crank it up. My JLAudio Fathom is pretty "neighbor unfriendly" for late night movie watching. Oooops... Fortunately, no dirty looks from the neighbors the following morning. :o

I took my spl meter out and measured the heavy bass filed monster scenes in Cloverfield. at the seating position. ( By the way the camera movement was driving me nutz!) My system is calibrated at reference, but since I'm using two subs, I'm running about 6db hot. The average reading was around 97db. There was no cuffing or audible distortion, and unlike the movie Loaded there weren't any noticable room rattles to speak of.

Ian

I gave a re-listen to several scenes at a level which hit peaks of 110db at listening position. That's a lot of fun. It's not that tough on the ears, shakes the room a bit, and feels kind of cool.

I might wait for the Blu-Ray and uncompressed audio before I do cloverfield...

Any idea when that might be?

(Well really I have to wait til June and the release of the pioneer 1018 anyways)

HD DVD's collapse caused the delay obviously...will be a while I'm sure.

I gave a re-listen to several scenes at a level which hit peaks of 110db at listening position. That's a lot of fun. It's not that tough on the ears, shakes the room a bit, and feels kind of cool.
:eek:

What planet did you say you were from?


Ian :D

I'm not kidding. Most of what makes up that db reading is the bass and bass is not that harsh to the ear. The LFE on soundtracks is mixed about 10db hot. If the subs were turned off, the rest of the sound would most likely only be hitting about 100db.

Now if loud music was hitting 110 db peaks, it would seem very loud and rough on the ears.

REFERENCE Volume for speakers is 105db....bass is 115db.

I agree that if the mains and center are hitting 100db it is really really loud!

But to me bass 110-120db is nothing....even though technially it can cause hearing damage :D But nothing beats the 115db ass shaking, room shaking explosions!

I'm not kidding. Most of what makes up that db reading is the bass and bass is not that harsh to the ear. The LFE on soundtracks is mixed about 10db hot. If the subs were turned off, the rest of the sound would most likely only be hitting about 100db.

Now if loud music was hitting 110 db peaks, it would seem very loud and rough on the ears.


Try telling that my wife! :D


But to me bass 110-120db is nothing....even though technially it can cause hearing damage But nothing beats the 115db ass shaking, room shaking explosions!




True. But, even if you are running your sub a bit hot and your reading 110db, your over all volume would probably be around 100db, which we both agree is very loud, and much too loud for me, personaly.



Ian

I do have a question for you, Ian. For your location you have "Springsteen Country". Can I assume you have actually seen Springsteen performing up close and personal? How loud would you suppose that was? Probably loud enough to blow your hair back!

I do have a question for you, Ian. For your location you have "Springsteen Country". Can I assume you have actually seen Springsteen performing up close and personal? How loud would you suppose that was? Probably loud enough to blow your hair back!

I have seen Bruce at the Stone Pony but not recently. Don't get me wrong, I love good clean bass, and as you know I've spent plenty of time on this forum contributing. However, after spending over five years day in and day out in the car audio industry, all that real loud stuff, even if it's accurate, is no longer a novelty for me. Check out Loaded. The bass offers a lot of impact, and unlike Cloverfield even at my moderate listening levels, it shook things up for me.

Ian

REFERENCE Volume for speakers is 105db....bass is 115db.
Reference is 85. 105 and 115 are the peaks.

For those looking for Cloverfield on BR, it is announced for early June.

Reference is 85. 105 and 115 are the peaks.

For those looking for Cloverfield on BR, it is announced for early June.

Thanks shane....that is kind of what I meant.

When an action scene is reaching 105db out of my mains it is soooo loud.

I like to keep the loud scenes at about 100db mains, BUT I want the sub giving me every single db I can get!


ps....where did you see the Cloverfield Blu-Ray info at?

Lossless Dolby True HD for Cloverfield
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=67617

Can't wait for the True HD June 3rd!!

Just hope the Pioneer 1018 is out by then too!!

I gave a re-listen to several scenes at a level which hit peaks of 110db at listening position. That's a lot of fun. It's not that tough on the ears, shakes the room a bit, and feels kind of cool.

If you where to have a friend grab hold of you and started shaking you! How many db is it going to produce! Now then! If I was observing from a few feet away how many db would I be hearing and feeling while you shake your friend!?

When travelling on the London Tube Underground just recently (20th April 2008) I noted the SPL db level was around 90dbc with a less level at dba that changed in pitch while moving though the tube and bends on the tracks and tunnel itself with the air movement changing values in the frequency response.

Again I could feel lots of vibration and jolt, without the 115dbc of LFE.1 which is a little unrealistic at times, now then.

I think shakers can add the a mild vibration not at the seat position, but throughout the whole room that should have raised flooring over the original and lots and lots and lots of bass shakers not to be used to overwhelm the six-track Dolby stereo digital mix, but to mealy accompany it with a mild LFE.1 sub bass level. So if you where seated or standing you should still get the same event anywhere in the room as much as possible.


I'm not kidding. Most of what makes up that db reading is the bass and bass is not that harsh to the ear. The LFE on soundtracks is mixed about 10db hot. If the subs were turned off, the rest of the sound would most likely only be hitting about 100db.

Now if loud music was hitting 110 db peaks, it would seem very loud and rough on the ears.

Continuous loudness will Bugger your ears right up! So don’t play too loud use some judgment and reduce the level by a few db, I bet if tests where conducted, I’d say several family and friends where say you played that one too frigging loud!

:eek::eek:

wow! No way our new THX theater has 56K watts in their Warren Grande theatres.:eek:

Well you should have been over here when Cloverfield played at the Empire Leicester Square screen 1. I was told it was just bloody loud and I can believe that. I should have gone along to see it with my SPL db meter, damn!:D

I probably should refrain from saying ,"NO WAY!" on the theater's wattage till after Iron Man this weekend. :)

I probably should refrain from saying ,"NO WAY!" on the theater's wattage till after Iron Man this weekend. :)

LOL I think Iron Man (2008) is playing at the Odeon Leicester Square and think there shy under 56KW and don’t carry THX certification. And isn’t that a Universal realise? “Nim's Island” (2008) is playing in digital presentation THX this week.

May 9th Speed Racer in digital THX! I doubt I’ll go up again until May 22nd and catch Indy at the Odeon and then some Speed Racer, it depends on the money side and if I’m feeling a good mood because the cinema chains in the UK now are messed up with the wrong studio films going to the wrong cinemas, I prefer the way it was when all Paramount and Universal pictures went to the Empire and all Warner titles to VUE formally Warner Village and all Fox Columbia titles to the Odeon.

Its messed up big time now!:(

Odeon Leicester Square
http://www.odeon.co.uk/fanatic/film_times/s105/Leicester_Square/

Empire Leicester Square
http://www.empirecinemas.co.uk/

Trust no one...

Trust no one...

just tryed that scene in l.a. confidential...aargh my left ear:eek::D

just tryed that scene in l.a. confidential...aargh my left ear:eek::D

LOL I hold no responsibility. :D

sigh :(

sigh :(

what's wrong pain ?

sigh :(


I feel your pain, Pain.



Ian ;)

ummm....yeah.

cloverfield??

INSANE!!!! holy crap! i thought i was going to have a heart attack...i turned down my system more than most because everyone has been saying how ridiculous it is.

man. really a lot of fun...id say close to WOTW if not on the same level.

Pain, throw this in and all your sigh's will be gone :)

Does anyone have any waterfalls of Hitman? There are 2 scenes in particular that I would like to see. The first is when the police storm his room and the other is when he is in the room with the other arms dealers and the brother(trying not to spoil anything for anyone).

Sorry Pain, I don't have timestamps, I was certain they had been mentioned and listed since Hitman was discussed in the thread before. I just returned it to Netflix so I can't get them for you myself. :o

yeah those gun shots are pretty amazing...and the explosions are pretty nice as well!

Sorry Pain, I don't have timestamps, I was certain they had been mentioned and listed since Hitman was discussed in the thread before. I just returned it to Netflix so I can't get them for you myself. :o

insert funny sarcastic comment here---->
o my gosh, the thread wont be the same without those times! :rolleyes: dont let it happen next time!

speaking of Cloverfield timestamps begin added ;)

Iron Man is gonna be sick when it comes out on BR/dvd...Caught it for the 2nd time today. Has at least two spots that have to have right at ref. level bass spots ( the IM F22 sequence in particular).

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just don't post them here.... :(

it deserves its own thread

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insert funny sarcastic comment here---->
o my gosh, the thread wont be the same without those times! :rolleyes: dont let it happen next time!


I feel bad enough Pain, no need to rub it in...... :D

I guess I gave others more credit than they deserved thinking timestamps had been taken already, I will do my best not to do that again ;)

I feel bad enough Pain, no need to rub it in...... :D

I guess I gave others more credit than they deserved thinking timestamps had been taken already, I will do my best not to do that again ;)

I hope you know I was just joking right?

As a recommendation, when waterfalls of Cloverfield, please don't include any pictures of the monster (for those of us that haven't seen the movie yet) ;)

I wonder who your referring to.... :rolleyes:

Loaded is loaded with deep bass. Produced room rattles that I never heard before.

Ian

which Loaded, theres a couple.

Pain needs a 6 star category after this!

Cloverfield is in the 5 stars category, I dont need any more headaches ;):eek:

May 12, 2008

Added:

"Cloverfield"
1. Chap 5 (0:19:53 - 0:20:20) 0Hz WaterFall (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch5shouldvelefttownearlier.jpg)
2. Chap 5 (0:21:16 - 0:21:45) WaterFall (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch5buildingcollapse.jpg)
3. Chap 5 (0:22:00 - 0:22:50) WaterFall (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch5buildingcollapse2.jpg)
4. Chap 6 (0:26:09 - 0:26:49) WaterFall (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch6bridgecrossing.jpg)
5. Chap 6 (0:27:42 - 0:28:59) WaterFall (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch6bridgecollapseJason.jpg)
6. Chap 14 (1:04:53) 8Hz -10Hz WaterFall (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch14EVAC.jpg)
7. Chap 14 (1:05:20 - 1:06:52) WaterFall (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch14EVAC2crash.jpg)
8. Chap 15 (1:09:52) WaterFall (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/Sbwillie/Cfieldch15bridgerun.jpg)
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Loaded
The Orphanage Blu-ray

I hope you know I was just joking right?


Of course.......... :D

Thanks for the charts, Pain.

Any chance for getting a chart for the opening logo?

Thanks for the charts, Pain.

Any chance for getting a chart for the opening logo?

don't thank me, thank SbWillie (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13736386#post13736386)

I just made it look pretty ;):cool:

Thanks for the charts, Pain.

Any chance for getting a chart for the opening logo?nope...was a rental. I canceled my BB Online membership.Sorry.

nope...was a rental. I canceled my BB Online membership.Sorry.

rental:eek:...this movie should owned...oh well here is more some timestomps:D

(00:17-00:43)
(18:21)
(34:57-36:25)
(37:34)
(37:55)
(39:29)
(40:10-40:15)
(41:17-41:22)
(1:01:47)
(1:02:38-1:02:57)
(1:03:51-1:04:30)
(1:05:14-1:05:20)
(1:10:36-1:11:04)
(1:08:43-1:09:37)
(1:10:36-1:11.04)
(1:12:00-1:13:11)

damit, i dont get that speclab working:confused::confused::confused:

I just saw Cloverfield yesterday... great movie for audio. The movie itself was actually better than I thought it would be. Could have been better if not for all the pre set camera movement. I understand this was the intended technique and perspective, but all that camera movement actually took away some of the enjoyment IMO.

The bass was fantastic... I forgot how much stuff I had around the house that could rattle, but my PB12 NSD handled the bass effortlessly. Didn't realize it at first, but in the DVD, the director said that the creature was actually a "baby" waking up and walking around the city in "confusion, pain, and anger" possibly looking for it's mother???... Man... some baby!!! Lots of speculation as to the meaning of that splash in the ocean at the end... was it the creature itself arriving from outer space, or the Japanese satellite splashing in the ocean and waking the creature? Two camps are divided here, though the director does indicate at one time that the creature awakes from a long slumber.

Cloverfield 2 is apparently in the works.

The Dream is Alive (1985) region 2 DVD

At 1m:14s sonic booms of the space shuttle is heard!

At 5m:46s main engines start on the space shuttle at 5m:55s SRB engages 6m:56s SRB separation of solid rocket boosters detach and fall away with mild deep rumble.

Caution this part of the IMAX film with the firing of the SRB plays louder so don’t be foolish use caution! At 24m:29s main engines starts on the space shuttle at 29m:38s SRB fires propelling the shuttle upwards with an (alight mighty) thunderously deep rumble. Or S.R.B. Sub Rumble Bass. LOL

Most of the in-room frequency low range was at 40Hz.

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^Starman, wow :eek: I havent seen that movie in AGES. I think I watched more movies as a child than I can remember!

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Second lift-off of the space shuttle was far greater in loudness on the LFE.1 so don’t get too carried away, exercise extreme caution and if your sub can handle the peaks for the short, but rather abrupt launch, it should reach as high over at +110db or best 120dbc.

At 24m:29s main engines starts on the space shuttle at 29m:38s SRB fires propelling the shuttle upwards with an (alight mighty) thunderously deep rumble.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii100/BourneUltimatum3417/TheDreamisAliveIMAXLFE1.jpg

Here is same sequence - with my levels

http://www.flageborg.no/SVSpatruljen/Waterfall/imax_blueplanet.JPG

So you also have a few IMAX DVD titles, lovely little discs aren’t they.:) Yeah, I think I have one or two settings on the Spectrumlab set slightly wrong, but I’m not going to start fiddling around with it again, I don’t what to cow it up.

So you also have a few IMAX DVD titles, lovely little discs aren’t they.:) Yeah, I think I have one or two settings on the Spectrumlab set slightly wrong, but I’m not going to start fiddling around with it again, I don’t what to cow it up.

After a visit to IMAX in Oslo, Norway - I had to get Blue Planet, Dream is Alive and T-REX: Back to the Cretaceous.

Real life is almost as powerful as Cartoons..............

Here - the Rocket Launch sequence from The Incredibles

http://www.flageborg.no/SVSpatruljen/Waterfall/TheIncredibles_RocketLaunch.JPG

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sigh :o

sigh :o

Sigh away sigh :D all you want these are waterfall graph charts. :D Tough more to come more Star Trek waterfalls.:)

Sigh away sigh :D all you want these are waterfall graph charts. :D Tough more to come more Star Trek waterfalls.:)

I see DrPainMD's point in that you're flooding this thread with useless stuff though. Show some consideration. If we wanted those we'd ask for them.

Sigh away sigh :D all you want these are waterfall graph charts. :D Tough more to come more Star Trek waterfalls.:)

maybe if they were movies made in the last 20 years??? why dont you plot The General (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0017925/) while your at it.

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I know its already on the list, but holy hell Castaway blu-ray DTS-ES is ridiculous!

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why are the plots so pixelated?

flageborg should send you his ini for speclab

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Just played a few moments from the region 2 DVD six-track Dolby stereo digital is good enough for me that good enough low end.

Played the first few moments over a few times, one at LFE.1 0db the other at -10db and its more or less the same, expect it would be far less, louder in the room.


The freighter-ship passing by was deep and low 0db LFE.1.



Yep, the scene where he was in the washroom and the door came flying open made my almost jump out of my seat :D the ship scene was nice too my nephew said something to the extent of "its shaking the whole basement".:rolleyes:

Yep, the scene where he was in the washroom and the door came flying open made my almost jump out of my seat :D the ship scene was nice too my nephew said something to the extent of "its shaking the whole basement".:rolleyes:

That’s why I always rehearse films at a lower level because one! You never know if this mix is going to clip the amplifier and two you don’t what it TOO loud otherwise people will start walking out, and believe me I’ve seen a few walk out on Face/Off (1997) at UCI Lee Valley, London 12 screen.

I would rather like to have several subs to play something that is dynamic, rather than taking a single sub close to its technical restraint limits. There are few audio electronic techniques that can help in this situation!?

jbl keep those oldies coming and do you have any of these films?

blue thunder, total recall, true lies, last action hero, top gun, evil aliens, deep rising, deep impact, death machine, abyss, virus, end of days, casshern(one of my favourite), below, the frighteners, jurassic park 2, art of war, volcano, the cave, wild wild west, firefox.

those films have some good bass and yes that earthquake has some serious 8 minutes continuous crumblin bass:eek:

http://web.uflib.ufl.edu/spec/belknap/exhibit2002/sense.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensurround
http://members.aol.com/earthquakemovie/trivia.html
http://www.in70mm.com/newsletter/2004/69/sensurround/about.htm

cracked ribs, bleeding noses, structural damage:eek:... should be on the 6 star list one and only:D

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wow great stuff guys!

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jbl, this may help your pixelated chart problems.

options-fft settings-fft properties, frequency resolution-decimate imput by (divisor), put the number 8 or up...should help with that problem and keep those charts coming.:)

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These waterfalls are getting to be way over the top. I enjoyed this thread when it was just movies and timestamps.:(

These waterfalls are getting to be way over the top. I enjoyed this thread when it was just movies and timestamps.:(

LOL welcome to the internet time, stuff that I don’t have time to start logging time or event to the end of the event, the images along with the waterfalls speak for themselves, as one can say, yes I know where that scene is, thanks.

Oh, a few months ago I wasn’t too clear on what these waterfalls looked like, I mean it looked like someone spelt the paint over a canvas. Now that I am having fun with the waterfall graphs, I can see the science of it all now. “My eyes are wide open.” More waterfalls, heck your lucky I provided some text of dribble along with the waterfalls.:D

Oh, there’s just one more thing, participate why not participate more in this thread and if you like time stamps then provide some and if I have the film on disc or tape what ever it may be, I’ll get right on the case as there is a time zone difference, and not everyone can fully participate in this thread 24hours a day and mind you, there are close to nearly 5 million films worldwide so the more manpower we have here the more we can cover.;)

ohoh...JBL is taking over!:p

ohoh...JBL is taking over!:p

I’m but one person with only one pair of hands and we need more dedicated members on the ball 24/7, because I’m kinder getting into this part of the science now. More manpower is needed.;)

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looking good jbl...do you have star wars 4-6 or any alien films, old superman...that supernova/planet explosion is quite nice room shaker?

lol... to get that mars ice cream would cost little too much for me:D

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These waterfalls are getting to be way over the top. I enjoyed this thread when it was just movies and timestamps.:(

THis recent CRAP is useless and makes it very difficult to find anything.:mad:

JBL has way too much time on his hands.

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THis recent CRAP is useless and makes it very difficult to find anything.:mad:

JBL has way too much time on his hands.Wahh cry me a river.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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sorry JBL, but some here hate horror flicks so could u avoid posting vids next time (good work otherwise)...(not any bass there,LOL)

aliens is horror?

JBL. I have a GREAT idea. Why not start your OWN thread instead of hijacking someone elses?

Did DrPain leave his own thread? :confused:

JBL. I have a GREAT idea. Why not start your OWN thread instead of hijacking someone elses?

Hijacking! No its corporate overtaking isn’t this thread on stock market valued at £10.00, I just brought all the shares.:D

Hijacking! No its corporate overtaking isn’t this thread on stock market valued at £10.00, I just brought all the shares.:D

Ummm. Let's see here. In your case it's hijacking because you're on the net in an internet forum somewhere you weren't even invited and just thought you'd have your way being IGNORANT of other's suggestions. I guess you're deaf from listening to that loud crappy JBL sub.:p


You are obviously going to do what you want. So go ahead and post for your self stuff we don't care about. You'll eventually burn out...I swear there used to be an ingnore button...

Ummm. Let's see here. In your case it's hijacking because you're on the net in an internet forum somewhere you weren't even invited and just thought you'd have your way being IGNORANT of other's suggestions. I guess you're deaf from listening to that loud crappy JBL sub.:p


You are obviously going to do what you want. So go ahead and post for your self stuff we don't care about. You'll eventually burn out...I swear there used to be an ingnore button...

I think your barking up the wrong tree lets see you add some waterfalls then. Oh at least my JBL is still performing over the past long years and no, I can still hear up 16 KHz for my old age.;):D

Oh, there’s a nice waterfall on the way it was blast from (1994) and it has a guy in it that makes coffee?

Got any waterfalls for the newer THX trailer?

I found it on the new release of Indiana Jones Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Apparently it was made in 2007, so it may be on other DVD's. It's called Amazing Life.
http://www.thx.com/cinema/trailers/wmv/amazing_life.wmv

It has some real low bass pulses that sent my HSU VTF-1 screaming home for mama! :D

sigh :(

what's wrong pain ?

I feel your pain, Pain.



Ian ;)

just don't post them here.... :(

it deserves its own thread

Alright I’ll start my own thread. Looks like I’ll have to use the basic TrueRTA to get some in-room response readings.

I can call it the, “region 2 sub bass lows with or without waterfalls.”:D Mind you I do like “The Last of The Mohicans” (1992) that has one loud moment with that waterfall, it’s thunderously loud!

I think your barking up the wrong tree lets see you add some waterfalls then. Oh at least my JBL is still performing over the past long years and no, I can still hear up 16 KHz for my old age.;):D

Oh, there’s a nice waterfall on the way it was blast from (1994) and it has a guy in it that makes coffee?

PLEEEASE start your OWN thread out of courtesy to the founder of this thread.

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just don't post them here.... :(

it deserves its own thread

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:rolleyes:

What two waterfalls graph chart threads on one site, that’s pushing it a little and one thread seems more than enough, hmmm, hmmmm. Hmmm a region 2 waterfall thread, no there is laserdisc as well hmmm, so what’s a good title hmmm, [mind hard at work thinking for title].

I’ve got a new and original idea it’s been kinder in the thinking process for the past few days.

What two waterfalls graph chart threads on one site, that’s pushing it a little and one thread seems more than enough, hmmm, hmmmm. Hmmm a region 2 waterfall thread, no there is laserdisc as well hmmm, so what’s a good title hmmm, [mind hard at work thinking for title].

Sounds to me like you are affraid to start your own thread and instead want to sabotage this one...

Sounds to me like you are affraid to start your own thread and instead want to sabotage this one...

Afraid do you what to bet, hmmm, I’ll bet you within in 48 hours I’ll have a different one of different kind posted…

…oh and your inverted but don’t forget the MARS ice-cream.

JBL
I am new to this forum,and I have been reading your posts and I have to say that I am awe inspired of your technical knowledge of cinema.I have seen you around on other forums and you know your stuff.Thats a very impressive set up you have there,I like your dedication to the art of sound.
I will admit that I am not much into movies,but I am a music fanatic as much as you are a movie fanatic.Only two-channel for me as music goes.Have you ever played any concert dvds on your system,I bet that will get the blood boiling!Maybe some Clapton or Black Sabbath.Do you music,If you then who do listen too?Keep up the good work on your posts and good health to you man.

I've got one for you. Call it Looney Tunes waterfalls...

No mine’s a little more original than that, and besides I’ve already tried that thread. Mine is a little different I’ve started the first two paragraphs and I’ve just done quick search to see if anything of its kind exists, on the site, new thread coming soon… so if I was you I’d start saving up for MARS ice-cream, and fresh milk I like milkshakes as well.

Anyway I won’t bother you anymore, I’ve got to re-calibrate the levels on the audio mixer and make some tiny adjustments on the waterfall frequency graph display, to accommodate the new, anyway the microwave is call me, and its time for dinner, see you…..

JBL,
Tell me some more info on your subwoofer,what size is it,how much amp power does it take to run it.Where did you acquire it from?Also those are some cool ass vintage Marantz amps you got.Man I would love to have those.

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I have to say that I am awe inspired of your technical knowledge of cinema.


You have GOT to be kidding me.....:p:eek:

The new THX trailer from last year, well here’s a waterfall via the sub bass output, I guess that only covers the LCRS range, the LFE.1 hmmm, it might be different/

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk279/SpectrumsubbassLFE13417/THXtrailerlife.jpg

Thanks JBL!

Yeah, definitely some LFE going on there.

If I'm reading that thing right it looks like there is a red spike at 18Hz. I'm guessing that's it.

Is that the flower THX one? (ASking because the Warren shows it before every film..pretty sweet one!)

Hijacking! No its corporate overtaking isn’t this thread on stock market valued at £10.00, I just brought all the shares.:D

IN defense of JBL I don't see any `hijacking'..come on he's posting waterfalls.:D

Hijacking! No its corporate overtaking isn’t this thread on stock market valued at £10.00, I just brought all the shares.:D

IN defense of JBL I don't see any `hijacking'..come on he's posting waterfalls.:D
BUT if they are based on SUB readins and NOT the LFE/dvds readings then it is a completely different discussion.

Is that the flower THX one? (ASking because the Warren shows it before every film..pretty sweet one!)

That's the one.

The point of this thread was to post waterfalls of movies with bass. Of course all movies have some sort of bass but we don't need every movie is one's library. Also, if JBL posted his waterfalls like the one with the example WOTW with the picture on the side of the waterfall you can clearly see which scene and when hit what frequency. The time stamp is not even needed because it is easy to see. Like this one.

http://personal.inet.fi/yhdistys/uunoliitto/Graafit/AVS/War_Of_The_Worlds_Lightning.jpg

The point of this thread was to post waterfalls of movies with bass. Of course all movies have some sort of bass but we don't need every movie is one's library. Also, if JBL posted his waterfalls like the one with the example WOTW with the picture on the side of the waterfall you can clearly see which scene and when hit what frequency. The time stamp is not even needed because it is easy to see. Like this one.

http://personal.inet.fi/yhdistys/uunoliitto/Graafit/AVS/War_Of_The_Worlds_Lightning.jpg

War of the Worlds (2005)

Well I’ve been trying to tell them that? And I can see this one 100% clear, because I’ve seen many times over in the cinema and at home and I like black background instead of the blue background.

I’m surprised before reading al this that the JBL 4645 held up to the stressful and stringent demands of this film when I first brought it around early November (2005).

Hmmm, I was looking at film that had killing machine called Amy in it and little planet that is red any waterfalls on that because there is so much happening in it, or doesn’t anyone around here care that much for 9 year old films?

I think you guys should check out "Master and commander" " "Ratatouille" (Blu-Ray) with some waterfalls,im really curious regarding the lightning strike sceen in ratatouille ; )


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JBL,
Sorry for the insult yesterday,just trying to compliment your knowledge thats
all.I felt like I got blindsided for trying to be nice.

JBL, do you think you could post a waterfall chart on the movie, "Fried Green Tomatoes" because I swear the bass produced while I banged my head up against the wall while having to watch this estrogen filmed POS years ago had to be intense. I figure it fits into your criteria of deserving of a waterfall chart.

1. Film older than Jessica Tandy herself.
2. Film that no one even cares about.
3. The fact that you own the special limited edition laserdisc version to test.
4. That Prologic gear gives us the best representation of film soundtracks out today. :rolleyes:
5. The mere fact that you gave a waterfall chart on the movie D.A.R.Y.L. :eek:

Wow I have nothing else to say.

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Just curious JBL, wouldn't using a regular DVD with discrete channel seperation give you a better bass response than using a laserdisc with matrixed sound via a prologic decoder. I realize that laserdisc and prologic was all the rage in the 80's (when you were last a projectionist), but as Bob Dylan said, "The time's they are a-changin"

That and since the majority of members on this forum don't own a Laserdisc player (or gave up on it with the advent of DVD) that your time would be better well served doing a waterfall chart of current movies with discrete channel seperation.

That's just my view on this.

BTW you may want to read up on how bad laserdisc played back audio on sites like wikipedia, may make you want to upgrade equipment to the 21st century, say something better than 16 bit format

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserdisc

Interesting tidbit of info from wikipedia.

Both AC-3 and DTS surround audio were clumsily implemented on Laserdiscs, leading to some interesting player- and disc-dependent issues. A disc that included AC-3 audio forfeited the right analog audio channel to the modulated AC-3 stream. If the player did not have an AC-3 decoder available, the next most attractive playback option would be the digital Dolby Surround or stereo audio tracks. If either the player did not support digital audio tracks (common in older players), or the disc did not include digital audio tracks at all (uncommon for a disc which is mastered with an AC-3 track), the only remaining option was to fall back to a monophonic presentation of the left analog audio track. However, many older analog-only players not only failed to decode AC-3 streams, but weren't even aware of their potential existence. Such a player will happily play the analog audio tracks verbatim, resulting in garbage output in the right channel.

I think you guys should check out "Master and commander" " "Ratatouille" (Blu-Ray) with some waterfalls,im really curious regarding the lightning strike sceen in ratatouille ; )


NickI posted Ratatouille's last year. :D

Laserdisc readings might be their own thread to be honest since hardly anyone buys them.

Or watches them. ;) :D

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Laser Disc waterfalls are completely useless for me. I don't own any, and I seriously doubt any useful comparisons can be made between DVD vs LD.

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JBL, I own a Pioneer Laserdisc player and can tell you from first hand experience that the sound quality on DVD and the new lossless audio formats from HD-DVD and Bluray gives the laserdisc it's pimp hand....two times hard. :cool:

Now if you misread the title of this thread it says "Master List of DVD Movies" um not "Master List of Laserdiscs". So how about you start your own thread instead of mucking up this one. Mmmmmmkay.

I can't imagine I'm the only one noticing that JBL's waterfalls are rarely dipping much below 30 hz, and hardly at all into the mid 20's. Something seems amiss. Seems quite likely the results are a reflection of the capabilities of the equipment being used? As such, I agree that they should be posted in a different more appropriate thread. This thread's true intent is to post finding regarding the deepest bass passages.


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I can't imagine I'm the only one noticing that JBL's waterfalls are rarely dipping much below 30 hz, and hardly at all into the mid 20's. Something seems amiss. Seems quite likely the results are a reflection of the capabilities of the equipment being used? As such, I agree that they should be posted in a different more appropriate thread. This thread's true intent is to post finding regarding the deepest bass passages.


Tim

Absolutely correct. JBL's posts are ONLY to please himself. They are of no value to the original intent of this thread. There's very little DEEP bass in his waterfalls any way. He says he'll start his own thread, but I've yet to see it.

Yep. What he's plastering the walls with is alot of quite common midbass, readily reachable with underperforming Best Buy subs tuned to groove on that 50hz hump. Nothing really remarkable.


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Nothings amiss, he's using a a ten year old Kenwood reciever then downgrading the audio even further by using prologic decoders into channels the sound mixer never intended, then slpitting that signal even further into what JBL calls "Whole overhead sound" which means speakers he put on the ceiling. Let's not forget he's doing all this with a base source of a laserdisc player with ancient AC-3 technology. Or two channel PCM stereo.

It's a wonder he gets any bass at all. Members have told him time and time again to just go with the Kenwood reciever which at least can decode DD and DTS and just leave it at that, but alas, he calls us fools and continues to use prologic gear and then equilizers after the signal has left the Kenwood reciever and continues the audio downgrade from there.

Hence why some of us cannot take any of his posts with even a grain of seriousness. But hey it makes him happy....I guess.

Yeah waterfall charts that hardly dip below 30hz but then again according to "Home Theater Secrets" the sub he uses (JBL 4645) was not designed to go much below 30Hz unless both both port plugs are plugged up (then it goes to only 18Hz). If I recall he tried that once with balled up Saran-Wrap (not kidding on that one) but didnt like the sound, so JBL gave up on that one.

But I do enjoy his posts, if to at least give me a chuckle. :D

croseiv, it's the same guy.

These are old movies that were mixed before folks at home even had Dolby Digital. They didn't have deep bass content. You will see very few movies from before the late '90's that had very deep bass content unless the sound was completely remastered later on for DVD. Most of these waterfalls are a waste of bandwidth.

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JBL, how deep does your sub go (what's the FR)?

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20Hz to 120Hz is good enough for me in the home. 20Hz is loud enough!

Thanks!

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Has anyone seen the DVD of Gabriel? I just finished watching it, and it is definitely a wonderful soundtrack, very well integrated with room moving bass you can truly feel. I would love to see some waterfalls of that one. :)


Tim

I posted Ratatouille's last year. :D



Yes i saw it on the list @ first page (states 10Hz chapter 4/5) but still no waterfalls is availible : (


Nick

And yes I’m proud to be running 9 or is 8 year old Kenwood along with other devices because I know how it works and how it can improve the home cinema performance with, simplified thinking and processing it, into practical use, something matthewb can’t do because he doesn’t know how, and I’ve had centre back surround up and running nearly a full year before the Dolby SA10 was installed in cinemas and besides that big deal, I wasn’t online at the time and did all that thinking on my own thank you, very rudely much you little git - JBL aka Ashley, Dolby1234whatever.

Listen Ashley, I will admit I don't know your system, because after I saw the pics of your setup and the fact that you use prologic decoders after your Kenwood reciever, I decided I didnt care to know much more about your system. Matrixing sound into ceiling channels and other diluted soundfields from the one the sound engineer originally intended was not for me. I like to keep the signal clean and pure and not add downrezzed audio processing.

Ashley the fact that I have three state of the art home theater systems in my home alone leaves me content. Sorry my speakers aren't as awesome as those jbl static-X 70.00/pair speakers your running, but I guess I'll have to live with my Definitive Technology BP7001's system in the main system (with SVS NSD12/2 sub) hooked up to a Onkyo 805 as preamp hooked up to three stereo amps and my AR Phantom 8.5's all the way around with SVS ISD 12/2 hooked up to a Denon 3808ci (as preamp hooked up to six channel amp) in my bedroom system. Oh yeah and my AV123 Strata Mini's attached to Denon 4802R used as stereo in my home office will just have to suffice. Oh whoa is me, how I wish I could have a 10 year old Kenwood hooked up to Prologic decoders then EQ'd even more hooked up to 35.00 speakers and a sub that only goes down to 30hz.

I shall hang my head in shame at how pathetic my three systems are compared to you. :( :rolleyes:

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Download some 20Hz and 30Hz tones and knock yourself out.:D

No Thanks, I prefer my test tones at 16Hz. :D

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Ashley, what makes you think I ever asked anyone to post a waterfall chart? And I have better things to do with my "few hours" (um like work or spend time with the girlfriend...say how are either one of those working out for you BTW.)

Alright guys, can we just get some waterfalls of movies that have some reference(deep bass). There is always someone on here that will have a better system. It is subjective anyways. The reason I showed WOTW is because it has very deep powerful bass and is the reference movie for bass. Cloverfield comes very close or equal to it. National treasure 2 came out today, maybe it has some really good bass. Next week is Rambo. That should be a good one.

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I was think I could try out a flick from the past in Dolby stereo 5.1 that has an experiment that went wrong in the lab, the results were terrifying, the opening has deep low end on score and a few of the effects as well that ended up getting spliced with some DNA!?


Huh?!? :confused:

MKTheater, I also am interested in hearing the bass in the new Rambo movie, although I saw National Treasure 2. I can't recall hearing any real deep low scenes that stuck out in my mind, but havent seen the Bluray yet either.

I’ve done the shopping, wtf, what is this got to do with waterfalls!


I don't know, you could enlighten me. You are the one who keeps bringing up MARS ice-cream.:p Must be good stuff. Do you have a waterfall of it?

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OK...now back on topic please

Thanks

OK...now back on topic please

Thanks

good idea, but i think that aint gonna happen anytime soon:(

good idea, but i think that aint gonna happen anytime soon:(

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What are in your opinions some really good concert dvds with some strong bass in them.Mostly in the hard rock and metal category?

I've always liked Pink Floyds "Pulse" DVD, not too much bass, but there are a few songs on it, that give you a nice thump to the chest feeling.

You know I have the cd for this concert with blinking light in the spine of the case,but I dont have the dvd yet.Gotta get it,because it sounds great in 2.0.
I bet it kicks in surround.