Where are those juicy AVC BD-50 discs on the horizon?

Any hint I missed?

AQ can't get here soon enough. ;)

please dear God give us this soon Fox

those new masters done for the 3 films (not Aliens) looked amazing, anyone that has seen the Alien D-Theater tape knows exactly what I mean :)

-Gary

By the same token where is the first Ice Age, it is shown in the trailer section of the new Fox BD movies, but I haven't seen it officially announced anywhere yet.

please dear God give us this soon Fox

those new masters done for the 3 films (not Aliens) looked amazing, anyone that has seen the Alien D-Theater tape knows exactly what I mean :)

-Gary
agreed

I have the original Aliens that was released back in 2000? Anyway, is the Quadrilogy of Aliens a new master?

I think not for aliens but the other 3 films.

Each film has a new transfer and "directors" version.

I'm quite a big fan of the alternate alien3 version.




edit - its downright creepy I saw this thread just now. Becuz the same damn question popped into my head not more than an hour ago "when will the alien set come to BR"

I saw Alien in 35mm on the reissue on a beautiful dye-transfer print

I believe how good that D-Theater and the eventual Blu-Ray can look

If the BR is as good as the D-Theater I think I would have no problem calling it the best reference title too date including both formats, the D-Theater also had a DTS track that was killer and full bitrate

there is a reason why the Alien D-Theater tape sold for 200$ for more than a year on ebay

-Gary

Answer to thread title: Not soon enough. ;)

I love Aliens! That would rock in HD. It would be great to be able to watch Alien on DTHEATER then Aliens on Br...

I love Aliens! That would rock in HD. It would be great to be able to watch Alien on DTHEATER then Aliens on Br...

On BD with DTS- MA :eek:

2009 probably for the 30th anniversary, just like the first DVD release was for the 20th.

I love Aliens! That would rock in HD. It would be great to be able to watch Alien on DTHEATER then Aliens on Br...


Hmmmm....sweeeeet....

And what Earz said. :)

2009 probably for the 30th anniversary, just like the first DVD release was for the 20th.

Hope not. That's a l-o-n-g wait. But I guess it was with SD DVD too.

This is the set of movies which would make me really want a combo player. That's the best I can do I'm afraid :p

I'm quite a big fan of the alternate alien3 version.

I've never seen an alternate ending (don't have the quadrilogy box set). Sooo, what happens? Ripley lives? Alien escapes? Someone please tell an Alien fan what he missed! :)

ss9001

She falls into a bowl of ice cream, and the movie ends on an up-note! :D

It's the workprint cut that David Fincher had before he was taken off the film.

It's far far superior

Just like the Superman 2 :Donner cut I'm finishing up right now :)

On BD with DTS- MA

Better yet...PCM plz!

if FOX uses mpeg4 low bit rate then we have a serious problem !

It's the workprint cut that David Fincher had before he was taken off the film.

It's far far superior

I don't understand why people think that. Here's my entire exhaustive Quadrilogy review:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=388434&highlight=alien+fincher

And here's my review of the fincher cut:

"Alien 3 Work Print
I did not expect what I got with the extended version of Alien 3. Let me say right up front that the workprint of Alien 3 is a real disaster. I can just picture the Fox executives dropping their faces into their hands and wondering how in the hell they were going to make this film work. I don't know who to blame for this, but the problems are very real and glaring. If this was the film that was released, it would have bombed horribly. Let's start from the beginning:

There is an entire new sequence which starts immediately after the credits. It begins beatifully with Charles Dance just kind of wandering around outside. He happens to notice the EEV sticking up from the ocean about a mile out. It apears to be stuck in the bottom, probably 25 feet deep. Then he looks over and sees Sigourney washed ashore. How the hell did she get out of her cryotube and get washed ashore?

Anyway, he goes and picks her up and runs inside. Afterwards, a team of oxen come out, apparently to pull the wreckage ashore. Now remember how I described it? I can see no possible way for this to work. We then get a still shot of the cattle tied to the EEV on the shore, as if they just dragged it out of the sea. The Rottweiler has been written out of the movie except for one peculiar scene I'll get to in a minute. So this is a different version of opening the capsule. We see Hicks with his ****ing face smashed all to ****! Talk about completely disrespectful! Not cool man. Gone is the scene of the giant crane bringing the EEV inside.

At this point I need to say that most of the additional scenes are pretty crappy. They're dialogue scenes overall and are just annoying. Somebody said that the audience's time is very valuable and you'd better not waste it. This film does that in spades. For example. Charle's Dutton is constantly jumping up and giving religious sermons. It's really annoying and completely useless, but back to the story.

So a couple bald guys haul in this ox. It's hanging by it's hooves and crawling with crickets. That's the other thing, the lice Charles Dance was talking about are in actuality these one inch long white crickets. So you need to shave your bush to keep these things out of there? That is just stupid. So anyway, these two guys bring in this ox and talk about how they want to bang Ripley. They decide to leave the thing there and Fincher then cuts back and forth between this chest bursting scene and the funeral scene. It almost plays as comedy it's so bad. The ox itself looks like ****. It's like a bad wool coat. Where the burster comes out is obviously shaped like an "I" which further destroys the illusion. So the thing comes out battering ram style, which looks ridiculous enough, but then it falls to the floor and looks up. It looks like a muppet or something, a talking penis. So then we get a wide shot of the thing standing up (remember, this is intercut with the emotional funeral scene) and we see the "Bambi Burster", which literally looks like a baby calf taking it's first steps. They're wobbly and unstable at first, but then it lopes offscreen. How completely retarded. The rottweiler scene is 1,000 times better and works quite well.

So we have some more bullshit dialogue scenes including the warden berating Charles Dance for no good reason. This happens right after the autopsy scene which is presented just like the theatrical edition. Apparently there was a lot of really gory and graphic depictions of this scene which thankfully were not included. This really illustrates how inexperienced Fincher was at the time. You simply can't cut up a little girl onscreen in gory detail, especially a character people liked, and expect to get away with it.

So anyway after the warden condemns Charles Dance for letting Ripley into the autopsy room (isn't that part of the medical area?)and just really tears into him, we next see Ripley walk casually into the cafeteria. Now the warden is there. He sees her and obviously jumps up and yells for her to go back to the infirmary right? Nope, he just watches her go and sit with the other prisoners. He even hears Dutton tell her to leave them alone, but doesn't bother to intercede in any way. Just stupid.

Somewhere around here we get to the guy scraping out the exhaust vent. He sees the alien in a hole. It's the same stupid-assed penis-head we saw come out of the ox. In the theatrical version, you saw some strange movement but you couldn't tell what it was. It could have been this same scene just darkened way down. But you see the alien plain as day this time and it's just laying there nodding. Is it sleeping? What's it doing? It looks weird. To top it all off, the guy calls it Spike, the rottweiller's name which now makes no sense since the dog isn't in this version.

There's some more boring dialogue stuff and then we get to the scene I really wanted fleshed out, which was the three guys wandering around in the tunnels. I read the book, so I just happen to know that this is a massive facility that spreads out for miles underground and these guys routinely scout around mapping it out and looking for supplies, parts, etc. This scene does add a couple things, but this fairly important detail is never mentioned. Seems strange don't you think?

So Ripley is talking to Bishop. We feel really bad for Bishop because he was such a hero in the last film, and now he's all smashed up. He maintains his sense of humor and genuine friendship with Ripley. A great scene which is unfortunately drained of impact because Fincher found it necessary to keep cutting away to something else. What could have been so important? Golic eating cereal in the cafeteria. A total waste of time that really messes up the Bishop scene.

There is a lead-in to the attack on Charles Dance. Golic for some reason starts looking under the bed, which leads him to see an admittedly cool dark shape apear in the polished metal bedpost. He then sees the bed next to him sink sharply in the middle. It's an interesting shot, but it implies that the creature weighs a ton, which would make it difficult to run on the ceiling. Ultimately the theatrical version is much better and really brings out the tension this one tried, but failed to achieve.

The warden dies and they're all standing around trying to figure out what to do. At one point this guy suggest's ramming Ripley's head through the "****ing wall!". Ripley says back "Sounds good to me." What? She's suicidal now? She doesn't know the Queen is in her, so why would she say that? It's a weird beat thankfully omitted in the theatrical cut.

They do the fire thing and it's much longer in this version. It kind of turns into a mini disaster film dealing with the fire. But it detracts from the real threat of the alien. Who gives a **** about the fire? It plays out too long and is just a waste of time. Again, the theatrical cut infuses it perfectly and keeps the focus where it belongs.

The next big deleted scene is that at the end of the fire, someone sacrifices themself to lure the alien into the holding tank. It's fairly well done and it works. But you then have the problem that the credits could just roll unless the thing gets out. This leads to a really weird sequence. Golic is being guarded by another prisoner. He starts whimpering like a wounded animal and tells the guard that he "loves" him. At this, the guard promptly unties Golic, who then repays him by bashing him over the head, thinking he has killed him. Now here's the problem: In the "dragon" confession scene, Golic was seen as a victim who was being unjustly accused. He was just a hapless idiot in the wrong place at the wrong time. Well now he's a raving psychopathic serail killer! Why? To go play with the thing that had him so petrified just a few minutes before. So he goes and kills the guard by the alien's door and walks in. We don't see what happens to him, but the creature runs out. Total. Waste. Of. Screen. Time.

So now Charles Dutton tells everyone to go to the assembly hall, which in this version is a four way grated bridge. Assembly Hall huh? Ooooookaaaaay. So they stand around and whine for a couple of minutes before someone says "Let's go to the furnace room". They all agree and go to the big room we saw in the film. Nothing significantly different happens until the very end.

Lance Henrickson is on the walkway and Sigourney is on the gantry swinging away. In the theatrical cut, "85" grabs something and is shot before he does anything. In this version he runs up and splits Lance's head open! It's really freaky man! THEN he gets shot, and it's like "Good, he just split Lance's ****in' head open! Before it felt like like "Oh those Wayland-Yutani bastards!". So there's Lance with the back of his head split completely open with blood just POURING out with his ear and cheeck sliding off his skull. He's surrounded by medical people and none of them seems to say "Gee, maybe we should do something about this massive wound on our boss". But Lance barely misses a beat before trying to talk Ripley into giving herself up. Remember that shot in the theatrical version where the camera kind of spins downward past Lance as he's screaming "Nooooooo" when Ripley jumps? Instead of this being a poignant moment, all we can think is "Jesus, look at Lance's ear sliding off his ****ing head!" Total, total screw up on David Fincher's part. Then Ripley falls into the molten lead in a really cheezy effect of her body flaming wildly.

So that's Alien 3: The Work Print. I haven't even gone into the dialogue subtitles which are just stupid for a whole other reason. It seems to me that they could have enhanced that dialogue enough to not need subtitles. You can hear it, it's just soft. So why couldn't they just isolate and enhance it? If they were worried about cost, why not just redub it with someone impersonating the voice? It's only ever a couple of words, they could have come close enough. And also, assumedly because they used production audio, you keep hearing steam hissing in the background, partially masking the voices. This wouldn't be a big deal except Fox decided to put "steam-hissing" on the screen everytime it happened. Why I ask, WHY? Scenes are really ruined with this on. If I ever watch this again, I'll turn the subtittle track off so it isn't so annoying.

I have completely switched sides because of this work print. I now see that no matter what happened during production, Fox had to drastically fix this film, and they did for the most part. The Alien 3 theatrical version is a pretty good film. There are plenty of things wrong with it, the effects for one. They don't match up with the rest of the series in terms of quality. I'm talking about the rod puppet stuff, the physical alien is pretty cool. I always thought the puppet was CGI it looked so cartoony. But then there's those hard matte lines around it and the funny lighting.

I partially blame Sigourney for the story problems because she stipulated that there were to be no guns, she would be alone and she should die. She was afterall an Executive Producer on this film. My advice is to watch this cut of the film for amusements sake, and stick with the theatrical cut afterwards.

The commentary on this film is the lamest of all. The dominant person on it is Alec Gilles, the special effects guy. Tom Woodruff is there at the start, but doesn't add much. I guess he got bored and wandered off because he dissapears shortly after it starts. Alec spends most of the time justifying his effects. He then goes on to attack CGI effects houses, saying they are destroying special effects. The fact is that a CGI alien would have looked a lot better than what he did. Lance Henrikson is there for his scenes and to tell us he shipped the spiral staircase from the autopsy room to his house. I stopped listening to this track about an hour in because it was so boring."

I'm hoping that Aliens gets remastered with a much better picture. I'm watching it now on DVD and it looks pretty grainy.

Hopefully they can do a little magic with this one!

I don't understand why people think that. Here's my entire exhaustive Quadrilogy review:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=388434&highlight=alien+fincher

And here's my review of the fincher cut:

"Alien 3 Work Print
I did not expect what I got with the extended version of Alien 3. Let me say right up front that the workprint of Alien 3 is a real disaster. I can just picture the Fox executives dropping their faces into their hands and wondering how in the hell they were going to make this film work. I don't know who to blame for this, but the problems are very real and glaring. If this was the film that was released, it would have bombed horribly. Let's start from the beginning:

There is an entire new sequence which starts immediately after the credits. It begins beatifully with Charles Dance just kind of wandering around outside. He happens to notice the EEV sticking up from the ocean about a mile out. It apears to be stuck in the bottom, probably 25 feet deep. Then he looks over and sees Sigourney washed ashore. How the hell did she get out of her cryotube and get washed ashore?

Anyway, he goes and picks her up and runs inside. Afterwards, a team of oxen come out, apparently to pull the wreckage ashore. Now remember how I described it? I can see no possible way for this to work. We then get a still shot of the cattle tied to the EEV on the shore, as if they just dragged it out of the sea. The Rottweiler has been written out of the movie except for one peculiar scene I'll get to in a minute. So this is a different version of opening the capsule. We see Hicks with his ****ing face smashed all to ****! Talk about completely disrespectful! Not cool man. Gone is the scene of the giant crane bringing the EEV inside.

At this point I need to say that most of the additional scenes are pretty crappy. They're dialogue scenes overall and are just annoying. Somebody said that the audience's time is very valuable and you'd better not waste it. This film does that in spades. For example. Charle's Dutton is constantly jumping up and giving religious sermons. It's really annoying and completely useless, but back to the story.

So a couple bald guys haul in this ox. It's hanging by it's hooves and crawling with crickets. That's the other thing, the lice Charles Dance was talking about are in actuality these one inch long white crickets. So you need to shave your bush to keep these things out of there? That is just stupid. So anyway, these two guys bring in this ox and talk about how they want to bang Ripley. They decide to leave the thing there and Fincher then cuts back and forth between this chest bursting scene and the funeral scene. It almost plays as comedy it's so bad. The ox itself looks like ****. It's like a bad wool coat. Where the burster comes out is obviously shaped like an "I" which further destroys the illusion. So the thing comes out battering ram style, which looks ridiculous enough, but then it falls to the floor and looks up. It looks like a muppet or something, a talking penis. So then we get a wide shot of the thing standing up (remember, this is intercut with the emotional funeral scene) and we see the "Bambi Burster", which literally looks like a baby calf taking it's first steps. They're wobbly and unstable at first, but then it lopes offscreen. How completely retarded. The rottweiler scene is 1,000 times better and works quite well.

So we have some more bullshit dialogue scenes including the warden berating Charles Dance for no good reason. This happens right after the autopsy scene which is presented just like the theatrical edition. Apparently there was a lot of really gory and graphic depictions of this scene which thankfully were not included. This really illustrates how inexperienced Fincher was at the time. You simply can't cut up a little girl onscreen in gory detail, especially a character people liked, and expect to get away with it.

So anyway after the warden condemns Charles Dance for letting Ripley into the autopsy room (isn't that part of the medical area?)and just really tears into him, we next see Ripley walk casually into the cafeteria. Now the warden is there. He sees her and obviously jumps up and yells for her to go back to the infirmary right? Nope, he just watches her go and sit with the other prisoners. He even hears Dutton tell her to leave them alone, but doesn't bother to intercede in any way. Just stupid.

Somewhere around here we get to the guy scraping out the exhaust vent. He sees the alien in a hole. It's the same stupid-assed penis-head we saw come out of the ox. In the theatrical version, you saw some strange movement but you couldn't tell what it was. It could have been this same scene just darkened way down. But you see the alien plain as day this time and it's just laying there nodding. Is it sleeping? What's it doing? It looks weird. To top it all off, the guy calls it Spike, the rottweiller's name which now makes no sense since the dog isn't in this version.

There's some more boring dialogue stuff and then we get to the scene I really wanted fleshed out, which was the three guys wandering around in the tunnels. I read the book, so I just happen to know that this is a massive facility that spreads out for miles underground and these guys routinely scout around mapping it out and looking for supplies, parts, etc. This scene does add a couple things, but this fairly important detail is never mentioned. Seems strange don't you think?

So Ripley is talking to Bishop. We feel really bad for Bishop because he was such a hero in the last film, and now he's all smashed up. He maintains his sense of humor and genuine friendship with Ripley. A great scene which is unfortunately drained of impact because Fincher found it necessary to keep cutting away to something else. What could have been so important? Golic eating cereal in the cafeteria. A total waste of time that really messes up the Bishop scene.

There is a lead-in to the attack on Charles Dance. Golic for some reason starts looking under the bed, which leads him to see an admittedly cool dark shape apear in the polished metal bedpost. He then sees the bed next to him sink sharply in the middle. It's an interesting shot, but it implies that the creature weighs a ton, which would make it difficult to run on the ceiling. Ultimately the theatrical version is much better and really brings out the tension this one tried, but failed to achieve.

The warden dies and they're all standing around trying to figure out what to do. At one point this guy suggest's ramming Ripley's head through the "****ing wall!". Ripley says back "Sounds good to me." What? She's suicidal now? She doesn't know the Queen is in her, so why would she say that? It's a weird beat thankfully omitted in the theatrical cut.

They do the fire thing and it's much longer in this version. It kind of turns into a mini disaster film dealing with the fire. But it detracts from the real threat of the alien. Who gives a **** about the fire? It plays out too long and is just a waste of time. Again, the theatrical cut infuses it perfectly and keeps the focus where it belongs.

The next big deleted scene is that at the end of the fire, someone sacrifices themself to lure the alien into the holding tank. It's fairly well done and it works. But you then have the problem that the credits could just roll unless the thing gets out. This leads to a really weird sequence. Golic is being guarded by another prisoner. He starts whimpering like a wounded animal and tells the guard that he "loves" him. At this, the guard promptly unties Golic, who then repays him by bashing him over the head, thinking he has killed him. Now here's the problem: In the "dragon" confession scene, Golic was seen as a victim who was being unjustly accused. He was just a hapless idiot in the wrong place at the wrong time. Well now he's a raving psychopathic serail killer! Why? To go play with the thing that had him so petrified just a few minutes before. So he goes and kills the guard by the alien's door and walks in. We don't see what happens to him, but the creature runs out. Total. Waste. Of. Screen. Time.

So now Charles Dutton tells everyone to go to the assembly hall, which in this version is a four way grated bridge. Assembly Hall huh? Ooooookaaaaay. So they stand around and whine for a couple of minutes before someone says "Let's go to the furnace room". They all agree and go to the big room we saw in the film. Nothing significantly different happens until the very end.

Lance Henrickson is on the walkway and Sigourney is on the gantry swinging away. In the theatrical cut, "85" grabs something and is shot before he does anything. In this version he runs up and splits Lance's head open! It's really freaky man! THEN he gets shot, and it's like "Good, he just split Lance's ****in' head open! Before it felt like like "Oh those Wayland-Yutani bastards!". So there's Lance with the back of his head split completely open with blood just POURING out with his ear and cheeck sliding off his skull. He's surrounded by medical people and none of them seems to say "Gee, maybe we should do something about this massive wound on our boss". But Lance barely misses a beat before trying to talk Ripley into giving herself up. Remember that shot in the theatrical version where the camera kind of spins downward past Lance as he's screaming "Nooooooo" when Ripley jumps? Instead of this being a poignant moment, all we can think is "Jesus, look at Lance's ear sliding off his ****ing head!" Total, total screw up on David Fincher's part. Then Ripley falls into the molten lead in a really cheezy effect of her body flaming wildly.

So that's Alien 3: The Work Print. I haven't even gone into the dialogue subtitles which are just stupid for a whole other reason. It seems to me that they could have enhanced that dialogue enough to not need subtitles. You can hear it, it's just soft. So why couldn't they just isolate and enhance it? If they were worried about cost, why not just redub it with someone impersonating the voice? It's only ever a couple of words, they could have come close enough. And also, assumedly because they used production audio, you keep hearing steam hissing in the background, partially masking the voices. This wouldn't be a big deal except Fox decided to put "steam-hissing" on the screen everytime it happened. Why I ask, WHY? Scenes are really ruined with this on. If I ever watch this again, I'll turn the subtittle track off so it isn't so annoying.

I have completely switched sides because of this work print. I now see that no matter what happened during production, Fox had to drastically fix this film, and they did for the most part. The Alien 3 theatrical version is a pretty good film. There are plenty of things wrong with it, the effects for one. They don't match up with the rest of the series in terms of quality. I'm talking about the rod puppet stuff, the physical alien is pretty cool. I always thought the puppet was CGI it looked so cartoony. But then there's those hard matte lines around it and the funny lighting.

I partially blame Sigourney for the story problems because she stipulated that there were to be no guns, she would be alone and she should die. She was afterall an Executive Producer on this film. My advice is to watch this cut of the film for amusements sake, and stick with the theatrical cut afterwards.

The commentary on this film is the lamest of all. The dominant person on it is Alec Gilles, the special effects guy. Tom Woodruff is there at the start, but doesn't add much. I guess he got bored and wandered off because he dissapears shortly after it starts. Alec spends most of the time justifying his effects. He then goes on to attack CGI effects houses, saying they are destroying special effects. The fact is that a CGI alien would have looked a lot better than what he did. Lance Henrikson is there for his scenes and to tell us he shipped the spiral staircase from the autopsy room to his house. I stopped listening to this track about an hour in because it was so boring."


Thanks Fett for the review...

Better yet...PCM plz!

Why? DTS-HD MA is also lossless and uses less space. In fact, it would be technically better if it's 20- or 24-bit as opposed to 16-bit as PCM has been.

I am looking forward to this, but I hope they release them separately because I just want the first film. The theatrical cut would be my preference.

I'm hoping that Aliens gets remastered with a much better picture. I'm watching it now on DVD and it looks pretty grainy.

Hopefully they can do a little magic with this one!


Amen. ;)

please dear God give us this soon Fox

those new masters done for the 3 films (not Aliens) looked amazing, anyone that has seen the Alien D-Theater tape knows exactly what I mean :)

-GaryYes, I had Alien on D-Theater until they started going for $200 bucks on E-bay and I had to part with mine. Alien on D-Theater is a great example of how good an older movie can look. I'm surprised Fox hasn't released Alien (The Ridley Scott Directors Cut) on BD yet or at least hinted to it.

Fincher wasn't involved in that workprint edition of Alien 3......in fact watch the documentaries and you get the impression the studio didn't let him use his own vision for the movie and a workprint is just that and can never be compared to the actual finished article which in this case never happened because the studio took it away from Fincher.....that workprint would have likely been cut down and extra scenes filmed and much more added and subtracted before Fincher ever released it but he was unable to do so because of studio meddling......I think it was a perfect way to end Sigourneys involvement with the franchise and start again with a different storyline........unfortunately they didn't do that but like i said it's unfinished and not really Finchers fault as he was nobody back then and the studio had certain demands.

Also to just bring guns back into it would have been copying Aliens.....i think a different direction was in this case better and i actually think Alien 3 is underrated.....Now Alien Resurrection stank bigtime.

As for Aliens...it was shot that way as the film they used at the time and all the dark scenes means grain...it's supposed to be there....having said that i think they can do some work on it to improve the print but the grain should stay.

Yep, Aliens is by far my fave of the series and I hope they don't "clean" up the grain that has been on every release so far.

I want to hear "WHY DON'T YOU PUT HER IN CHAAARGE!?" in DTS MA. :cool:

Amen. ;)

Aliens was never improved or remastered after the first original FOX DVD release, it was going to be done for the Quad set but Fox said that Cameron was pleased with the current master, it is grainy which is how it is supposed to be, but on top of that NR has been applied heavily, so bad that ghosting occurs, contrast is poor as is black level

if Fox really wants to put a major "exclusive" dent in the HD format they will release the Alien Quad set, this will make a few HD fanboys go neutral ;) add in a Die Hard Trilogy and the upcoming James Bond's and that takes a even bigger bite

Fox doesn't have a massive catalog but they have some highly loved films that will be BR only, and people ask me why I have a BR player :rolleyes:

-Gary

The Alien Trilogy rocks. The sooner Fox puts it out, the better.

if Fox really wants to put a major "exclusive" dent in the HD format they will release the Alien Quad set, this will make a few HD fanboys go neutral ;) add in a Die Hard Trilogy and the upcoming James Bond's and that takes a even bigger bite

Fox doesn't have a massive catalog but they have some highly loved films that will be BR only, and people ask me why I have a BR player :rolleyes:

-Gary

I'm in the same boat as you. With their franchises, you have to have a Blu-Ray player.

Alien et. al., Bond et. al., and Die Hard et. al....credit card (and wife) shreiks with terror. Fortunately, she can't feed me to the Alien Queen.

I'm in the same boat as you. With their franchises, you have to have a Blu-Ray player.

yes it is actually that simple for those that don't own both and are wondering ;)

Disney helps also with movies I love like Rock, Crimson, Con Air, Enemy State, etc. and then Lionsgate with Glengarry, Reservoir, Recall, Basic Instinct, First Blood etc.

it's a no brainer :)

-Gary

yes it is actually that simple for those that don't own both and are wondering ;)

Disney helps also with movies I love like Rock, Crimson, Con Air, Enemy State, etc. and then Lionsgate with Glengarry, Reservoir, Recall, Basic Instinct, First Blood etc.

it's a no brainer :)

-Gary

Lionsgate has some great titles such as T2, Rambo Trilogy, and Resevoir Dogs. I would have already purchased T2 if it wasn't such a rip off; theatrical version with the same old DD and dts sound. The double dip is inevitable. I don't care a whole lot for Disney properties other than the original Pirates of the Caribbean; the second was terrible in my opinion.

Lionsgate has some great titles such as T2, Rambo Trilogy, and Resevoir Dogs. I would have already purchased T2 if it wasn't such a rip off; theatrical version with the same old DD and dts sound. The double dip is inevitable. I don't care a whole lot for Disney properties other than the original Pirates of the Caribbean; the second was terrible in my opinion.
Doesn't the T2 BD have a 1.5mbps DTS track as opposed to the 768kbps one on DVD? Or was the Ultimate Edition DVD one of the few to get the full bitrate?

Aliens was never improved or remastered after the first original FOX DVD release, it was going to be done for the Quad set but Fox said that Cameron was pleased with the current master, it is grainy which is how it is supposed to be, but on top of that NR has been applied heavily, so bad that ghosting occurs, contrast is poor as is black level

if Fox really wants to put a major "exclusive" dent in the HD format they will release the Alien Quad set, this will make a few HD fanboys go neutral ;) add in a Die Hard Trilogy and the upcoming James Bond's and that takes a even bigger bite

Fox doesn't have a massive catalog but they have some highly loved films that will be BR only, and people ask me why I have a BR player :rolleyes:

-Gary

Cameron better fix Aliens up and get rid of the ghosting before it appears on any HD format ;)..

As long as Aliens and Alien 3 don't look and sound like shyt like the DVDs do (such as having SPECIAL EDITION in the corner of each movie), I will be perfectly happy.

I got the japanese version of the ALIEN quad set as all 4 films have DTS and the PQ on ALIENS and ALIEN 3 is a tad better than the R1. Was worth it for me. I actually prefer the Fincher workprint/cut of Alien 3 myself. Please, bring them on. Gary's description of the D-theater ALIEN has me all riled up!!!


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Dave you couldn't even imagine how good the Alien D-Theater tape was :eek:

-Gary

...I actually think Alien 3 is underrated....

I was pretty disappointed with Alien 3 when I first saw it in theaters. That is largely because it followed James Cameron's Aliens which is filled with awful stereotypes, bad acting and mind-numbing action sequences. Yeah, I still love it for some reason. However, over the years, I have grown to appreciate Alien 3 much more and feel that it is more faithful to Ridley Scott's vision.

If I had not already purchased my PS3 to go neutral, the Alien franchise would have motivated me much more to go with Blu-ray than George Lucas's space opera. Waiting till 2009 for the 30th Anniversary makes no sense when they can double dip the titles. Maybe we will get the same treatment as LOTR. Bare bones theatrical versions followed by the hi-def quadrilogy in a little over two years.

Dave you couldn't even imagine how good the Alien D-Theater tape was :eek:

-Gary

Mine still IS! :D

As much as I want to see fox release this, star wars, and Indiana Jones, I wouldn't mind waiting a little while for them to perfect there craft at making BD disks before this was released. I want to buy it once and only once.

I'd pick up the first two films when they are released on BD.

Despite the "interesting" review of Alien3 in this thread, I still prefer the workprint version to the theatrical version. Those "talking" scenes do a lot to give us a feel for what these people are like, how they are responding to a thriller, the dog scene is NOT superior to the ox, and their capturing the "dragon" before Golic releases it is pivotal. You interpret his "fear" in the medical bay as that kind of fear that terrifies you and makes you hide under your bed from something you would never want to see again.

But you're forgetting that he IS a psycho killer. Even Dillan tells us that. Golic is crazy beyond all belief. Most of the prisoners, in some of those scenes YOU don't like, talk about how crazy he is and how they don't like being around him. The two guys that go with him into the caverns to light candles? Yeah, they talk about it. Go back, watch it again.

Golic sees this dragon kill these two guys. He comes back as though nothing happened, covered in blood. Everyone accuses him of the murder (because they all know he's CAPABLE of it, except Dillan who isn't arguing he's incapable of it as much as he wouldn't LIE about it.) When he sees the dragon, he stares at it and is captivated by it. Did he run? Did he hide under his bed? Or did he just stare at it?

Yeah. He stared at it. So while he's staring at it, it does its thing and then it goes away. It's funny how easily fear crosses over into fascination and hatred over into love. The man's out of his mind.

When he hears they captured it--like he has been captured--he goes to save it. Sure, it makes little sense to go into that industrial waste storage center, but adds suspense. If you're looking for a reason for credits not to run AFTER they capture the creature (and before it escapes), then I suggest you remember that The Company is coming at that time. They were coming for most of the movie. The Company will want to take it back alive, Ripley doesn't want that to happen. So of course the movie's not over yet.

Then Golic does his thing and then they have to try and finish it for good this time. No capturing, no other choice.

Compare that to the theatrical cut. Golic is introduced for no reason. He disappears again for no reason. They paint up the entire corridor with waste and the alien intelligently or luckily kills the key one that detonates it early and kills a bunch of people. Nothing happens as a result of this attempt except failure. They go into panic mode. Face it. The theatrical cut is flawed because it jumps around haphazardly. The workprint is smooth. It tells a consistent, flowing story, and this is despite it being still incomplete.

And the reason why they showed Weyland having his ear smacked off is to address the issue of whether he's human or not. Because Ripley was convinced that he was not. In fact, even the actor and the movie went back and forth on the point.

Why would the medics attend to an injured android? ;) He was credited as "Bishop II."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien3

Do you really think The Company would send Weyland to an outpost like that with an alien in close proximity? No. No, of course not. So Ripley was right to disbelieve and the pivotal moment is not his yelling, "Nooooo!" as the queen is destroyed with Ripley, but Ripley seeing exposed ANOTHER company lie along with the obvious corruption of one of her most trustest allies from the previous movie. Then he does the cliche'ed "Noooo," as the purity of biotechnology is again put down.

And she dies without the penis popping out of her chest. Yeah. Workprint > theatrical.

Imho.

As much as I want to see fox release this, star wars, and Indiana Jones, I wouldn't mind waiting a little while for them to perfect there craft at making BD disks before this was released. I want to buy it once and only once.


Wouldn't we all. However I welcome Aliens in BD anyday.. At least it is something.. And Im glad Cameron isn't like George Lucas at all. I would HATE any digital alterations to the film... However I do want to see the best possible transfer from the original film and very deep blacks with no digital artifacting.. Grain to me is not a problem as long as it is original from the workprint and not something that got worse with age.. If it did get worse with age, then cleaning it up some is very welcome to make it look as originally intended..

Agree with Super.

I'd love it if Fox not only remastered these but restored them as well. Warner did a pretty good job restoring Superman 1 & 2. Hopefully Fox can do a similar fine job with the Alien series. Also, lossless audio is a must for this series.

I'd love it if Fox not only remastered these but restored them as well. Warner did a pretty good job restoring Superman 1 & 2. Hopefully Fox can do a similar fine job with the Alien series. Also, lossless audio is a must for this series.

I can't see Fox dropping the ball with this eventual release. They have been one of the better DVD studios.

Considering the excellence of the DVD Quad set, I think it is reasonable to assume Fox will come thru for us again. ;)

Considering the excellence of the DVD Quad set, I think it is reasonable to assume Fox will come thru for us again. ;)

Only if you like seeing Special Edition written in the corner...

If they initally release the Directors Cut of Alien, I can honestly say I won't be tempted to buying into Bd anytime soon- as while that is a title I would love to own in hd, I disliked the so-called DC quite a bit. Even Scott himself tells everyone on the Quad disc that the theatrical release is his preferred version.

Now, given that they said at CES that at least one of the Alien films was coming in the fall, It ight just be that they will release the DC now in a bare bones edition...and then 2 years later re-package everything with all the frills and release a 30 th ann. uber-set.

Alien is probably the most significant, most wanted Fox title for me personally, but I'm willing to hold out until I get theatrical cut.
Its also one of the handful of titles that would HAVE to be available before i would even consider buying a Bd player.

I'll be curious to see what happens this fall.

A week or so ago, I snagged ALIEN on D-Theater for $45 "Buy It Now" bid on eBay. Caught it within minutes of being listed. Came out to be a ~$53 after shipping and optional insurance (which I wasn't going to skip). I don't think I've ever seen it go that low, but then again I did snag it less than 5 mins. into the auction. Good stuff indeed.

it will be interesting to see how Fox handles the different versions. I did myself really like the cocoon scene that was reinstated into the end of ALIEN. Just really worked for me. Also liked when they hear the "distress call". Gave me the wigguns.

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Sorry for creating a new thread earlier...I'm going senile and forgot I created this other one...