Panasonic DMP-BD10, 10A Setup/Tweaks/Settings Thread [Text View] - Page 9

Gardo

12-10-07, 09:08 AM

I own both the Panny and the Samsung P1200 and I noticed that the Samsung has a more sharper, 3D like PQ. Overall, I like the Panny better, but I think the Samsung PQ is more refine, sharper.

Both players are under the 30 day return policy, so I definately would like to return one. So my question to you experts is: is there's some kind of picture tweak to make the Panny PQ look more Sharper, refine?

I have a 1080i Sony 51" widscreen projection connected directly to the player via HDMI.

Please help!

To my eyes, the PQ of the Samsung is indeed better than the Panasonic, on both BD and SD.

I'm viewing over HDMI with a 32" CRT, fwiw; I imagine the differences would be even greater on a widescreen LCD or plasma. OTOH, I haven't checked component out for the Panasonic yet. Anyone compared HDMI to component out on this player?

Sound & Vision

12-10-07, 05:22 PM

>Mine does that too.

>My player makes these accessing noises too.

Thanks for confirming this. I'm surprised that no one has made a comment on this before.

>To my eyes, the PQ of the Samsung is indeed better than the Panasonic, on both BD and SD.

I agree 100%.

*Here is my comparison review of the DMP-BD10A vs BD-P1200;

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=953164

hardwired

12-10-07, 06:36 PM

if you don't have an HDMI 1.3 AVR that can decode DD+, DTS-HD, and Dolby TrueHD and want to use the player to do the decoding of those formats.

I don't have an HDMI AVR yet (Pannie SA-XR55).
How is just regular DTS and DD compared to these special formats decoded out the analog outputs?

Sound & Vision

12-11-07, 10:59 PM

I was playing around with the Sharpness setting on the BD10A. I put it up all the way to the right, and could not see any real visiable differance. Can someone give a quick check and let me know if it is suppose to be that way.

Reguardless.. I don't know if you could call this a tip or not... But i ended up having to adjust my HDTV's sharpness level up from 50 (the middlepoint) to 55-63 (value will vary upon movie), and now the picture has far more "HD POP" to it.

The "paused" scene i used to make this adjustment was from pirates-1, where the two soldiers in red coats were trying to stop him from getting on the boat. It's towards the begining of the movie.

cherrystone

12-13-07, 01:51 AM

[QUOTE=Lee Bailey;12393697]I just a BD10 last week that was an open box,(actually, a floor model), for only $99.00. Still need to hook it all up. It only had V1.0 code on it, and I have already updated it to V2.4.

I also have found the online Service Manual:

Is it possible to make the BD10A codefree with the information from the service manual, Lee?

Thanks for your answer.

av_fan

12-13-07, 08:58 AM

Donnie Eldridge

12-13-07, 09:10 AM

Your questions are better asked in the Panny thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=756879&page=67

av_fan

12-13-07, 09:39 AM

Your questions are better asked in the Panny thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=756879&page=67

Hmm, but isn't this thread mainly about settings on the device itself?
Or more of a general Panny thread?

Sound & Vision

12-13-07, 10:12 AM

Folks,

I recently purchased a Pana DMP-BD10A with the
promo 5 free disc packaging. I was happy to finally
find one, but my box was kind of questionable :rolleyes:

So, do any of you guys who bought the same thing
remember:

- Was your box single taped or double taped
at the top? (Double taped as in maybe Pana
opened the box, put the 5 BDs in and re-sealed it or something)

- Was the unit in a plastic/styro bag with a tape?

- Was there any protective material on the unit itself
like a thin plastic or styro film you had to peel off the unit?

- What was the firmware out of the box and did you
have to update the firmware?

- In the back of the unit, next to the serial number,
does it actually show a manufacture date?

- Did the remote seem really flimsy?

Anyhow, I was happy to have finally gone format neutral
(I have an XA2), but I'm afraid I may have a
returned/repackaged/refurb unit...

I believe i answered this already??

Anyways... My BD10A's box was completely sealed with only one strip of tape on the top, and only one strip of tape on the bottom of the box. The player was wrapped in styro, plastic wrap on everything else. The owners manual and paperwork were in a sealed plastic bag. Same for the remote and power cord and batteries. The black remote control's spin wheel is kinda flimsly, the older BD10's silver remote has a better feel to it. The remote's lid has to be pushed all the way up, and then it will lock in place. My BD10A came with 2.2 firmware. The five free included packed-in movies had a white rectangular carboard holder wrap around them. Nothing was loose in the box at all, everything was packed nice and tight.

*If you have two pieces of tape, either accross the top or bottom of the box, then the box was clearly opened. If i remember correctly, the build date was not printed on the back (atleast not in simple terms like oct 2007 etc).

FYI.. I shut the remote's spin wheel feature off in the player's menu, i liked it better that way.

av_fan

12-13-07, 10:34 AM

I believe i answered this already??

Anyways... My BD10A's box was completely sealed with only one strip of tape on the top, and only one strip of tape on the bottom of the box. The player was wrapped in styro, plastic wrap on everything else. The owners manual and paperwork were in a sealed plastic bag. Same for the remote and power cord and batteries. The black remote control's spin wheel is kinda flimsly, the older BD10's silver remote has a better feel to it. The remote's lid has to be pushed all the way up, and then it will lock in place. My BD10A came with 2.2 firmware. The five free included packed-in movies had a white rectangular carboard holder wrap around them. Nothing was loose in the box at all, everything was packed nice and tight.

*If you have two pieces of tape, either accross the top or bottom of the box, then the box was clearly opened. If i remember correctly, the build date was not printed on the back (atleast not in simple terms like oct 2007 etc).

FYI.. I shut the remote's spin wheel feature off in the player's menu, i liked it better that way.

Thanks for the detailed info. Yes, my box was definitely opened, but
everything "seems" new inside. My packaging was pretty much the
same as yours, except that the remote was not in a sealed bag,
just loose in a bag. Also, the unit did not have any protective film
to be peeled off of it.

Thanks for the tip on the remote, I'll disable the wheel as well. Will set
up and do some testing in the next couple of days.

Just trying to see if anyone else got a unit similar to mine...

Lee Bailey

12-13-07, 12:28 PM

Is it possible to make the BD10A codefree with the information from the service manual, Lee?

Thanks for your answer.

Not from what I've seen so far.
Then again, I wasn't really looking for that...

narcopolo

12-13-07, 01:37 PM

FYI.. I shut the remote's spin wheel feature off in the player's menu, i liked it better that way.

I have the BD10A (since June) and don't know what this spin wheel feature is that you're talking about. What does the feature do?

Sound & Vision

12-13-07, 08:06 PM

narcopolo

12-13-07, 10:25 PM

>I have the BD10A (since June) and don't know what this spin wheel feature is that you're talking about. What does the feature do?

Sorry for the confusion... I was refering to the "jog wheel" on the lower portion of the remote.

Doesn't seem to work very good. I can press pause and use the wheel to adjust forward play speed, but it won't go in reverse. A least not with Blade Runner.

Sound & Vision

12-13-07, 10:49 PM

I sent an email to Panasonic about the soft picture and lack of 1080/24 support (although the de-interlacer clearly supports it). I asked that they forward my request to the firmware division. Perhaps they will take notice, and tweak the pictures detail, and possibly add 1080/24 support to a future firmware release.

I also mentioned how Toshiba recently added 1080/24 to one of there HD-DVD players through a recent firmware release.

I figure it was worth a shot (as Panasonic seems to take suggestions in that improve there product, unlike Samsung), who knows, if it happens great, if not, oh well, i tried!! :)

narcopolo

12-14-07, 12:33 AM

My DMP10A vibrates when inserting Disc 1 of Blade Runner. What could cause that?

It's rather loud too. Doesn't do it with Disc 3.

thebland

12-14-07, 09:55 AM

Phil Rose

12-14-07, 11:44 AM

My DMP10A vibrates when inserting Disc 1 of Blade Runner. What could cause that? It’s an issue with Disc 1. It’s out of balance. Nothing wrong with the player as you’ve confirmed that Disc 3 is OK.

shamus

12-14-07, 11:56 AM

RE: BD10 + Multi Channel LPCM via HDMI

Well, latest firmware but the BD-10 does not seem to pass multichannel LPCM when selected over HDMI....IT only passes 2 CH LPCM... I did not know this to be the case..

??????
Thats not right Jeff. It may be your Processor or a wrong setting.
The BD10 does pass up to 7.1 channels of PCM via HDMI.

Give us some more details...

Jgatie

12-14-07, 12:49 PM

RE: BD10 + Multi Channel LPCM via HDMI

Well, latest firmware but the BD-10 does not seem to pass multichannel LPCM when selected over HDMI....IT only passes 2 CH LPCM... I did not know this to be the case..

Check your settings. I most certainly get Multichannel PCM from mine.

thebland

12-14-07, 12:52 PM

I just got my Surround Processor upgraded to accept LPCM over HDMI. Mind you my processor is NOT HDMI 1.3... So no decoding in the processor. I need player decoding to LPCM.

For whatever reason, when I tried TRUE HD from my HD DVD player (passed as PCM over HDMI) ...all was OK

When I tried the uncompressed audio from Casino Royale, I got 2 channel PCM only....no center and no surrounds.

What's up.. I think I am up to date on all the firmware.

I set all of my audio settings to PCM in the Panny. No where in the Panny menus was multichannel PCM discussed..

Any help would be appreciated... The unit has been rock solid!!

NOTE: I was just looking thru the BD-30 manual and it said that if you have BD secondary audio ENGAGED (noises you hear when you click on menus, etc), then Multichannel PCM will be down mixed to 2 channel. Is this what my case may be with my BD-10 only passing 2 channel?? Can you select off the secondary audio on the BD-10?

Jgatie

12-14-07, 01:04 PM

From page 10 in the manual:

NECESSARY SETTINGS
��From the Setup menu (➡ 23), set
“HDMI Video Mode” and “HDMI
Audio Output” to “On”

��If the speaker setup cannot be
completed on the amplifier/
receiver, change multi channel
speaker settings by selecting “Multi -
channel” in “Speaker” of
“Connection” tab (➡ 22).

��If connecting to an amplifier/
receiver incompatible with HDCP
(➡ 29, Glossary), copy-protected
DVD-Audio cannot be output
through the HDMI terminal.
Connect to the amplifier/receiver
with audio cables (red and white),
coaxial cable, or optical digital
audio cable (➡ 10).

Check the bold part. You have to complete the speaker setup, even if you are not using the analog outs. You don't have to adjust the settings, but you have to let the player know the speaker configuration.

thebland

12-14-07, 01:09 PM

From page 10 in the manual:

Check the bold part. You have to complete the speaker setup, even if you are not using the analog outs. You don't have to adjust the settings, but you have to let the player know the speaker configuration.

Thanks!

I'll try that.....but what about the secondary BD video I quoted above, is there a page in the BD-10 menu system to disable the menu sounds?

Jgatie

12-14-07, 01:17 PM

Thanks!

I'll try that.....but what about the secondary BD video I quoted above, is there a page in the BD-10 menu system to disable the menu sounds?

Pg. 22:

BD-Video Function Sound [BD-V] ��On ��Off
This will set the operation sounds you hear from the menu, etc.
while playing a BD-Video disc. Please note that if you have
selected “Bitstream” digital audio output (➡ above), these
sounds will not be heard even if this is set to “On”.

[

thebland

12-14-07, 01:30 PM

Hey,

Thanks for the advice...I thought I was going to have to upgrade it.... It has been a great player...I can't wait to get back home and get things updated in the menu....

Looks like I don't have to play with the secondary audio menu.

khellandros66

12-14-07, 01:42 PM

NOTE: I was just looking thru the BD-30 manual and it said that if you have BD secondary audio ENGAGED (noises you hear when you click on menus, etc), then Multichannel PCM will be down mixed to 2 channel. Is this what my case may be with my BD-10 only passing 2 channel?? Can you select off the secondary audio on the BD-10?

Yeah make sure any downmixing, menu audio etc etc is all disabled, I did the same thing, forgot a feature, once it was corrected, boom! Came to life on me.

thebland

12-14-07, 10:15 PM

Hmm....I changed things to Multi channel in the Panny, secondary video off and no downmixing....but I am still getting 2 ch LPCM... I am wondering if the HDMI output from the BD player / surround player is reading the EDID from my plasma. I run all sources into my Lumagen Radiance. It has 2 HDMI outs. (I am running the 2nd HDMI out from my Lumagen Radiance to my processor and then to a plasma in the game room). HDMI 1 out from my Lumagen is going straight to the PJ. I beleive my plasma's EDID would ask for only 2 channel PCM and may be negating the multi channel LPCM I am wanting in my processor.. Wierd.

Any suggestions?

Lee Bailey

12-15-07, 08:59 AM

I WANT MORE

12-15-07, 01:32 PM

BD10. Setup menu won't stay up for more than a second or two. Comes up and then goes away. Any ideas?

Sound & Vision

12-15-07, 02:17 PM

BD10. Setup menu won't stay up for more than a second or two. Comes up and then goes away. Any ideas?

A few suggestions;

(1) Did you do a recent firmware flash, if so, re-download the firmare, re-burn it and install it again.

(2) Did you spill anything on the remote control, a sticky/stuck remote button (perhaps the "return" button) can cause this. You may have a bad remote.

(3) Try to reset the player, this can be found in the owners manual. There are several ways you can do this;

To return to the factory preset (No setting).

��You can Reset the BD10A as follows:

A. Press [��/I POWER] on the unit to turn off the unit.

B. Press and hold [��/��], [�� OPEN/CLOSE] and [��] on the unit at the same time until“HELLO” appears on the display.

C. Wait until “TEST” appears next.

D Press [��/I POWER] on the unit to turn off the unit.

E. Disconnect the AC power supply cord.Wait one minute, then reconnect it.

You can also try this as well;

*To return all settings other than the ratings level to the factory preset;
��Select “Yes” in “Restore Default Settings” in the Setup menu. This returns all values in the Setup menus and On-screen menu, except for the ratings level, to the default settings 21.

*To restore the unit if it freezes due to one of the safety devices being activated. ��Press and hold [��/I POWER] on the main unit for 10 seconds. (The settings remain unchanged.)

(4) If all elese fails, you may have to take it in for servicing.

thebland

12-15-07, 04:13 PM

Figured it out....EDID settings in my Lumagen scaler were defaulted to Multi channel LPCM being OFF. I found the setting buried in the menus.

All is good.

And, yes, I can confirm multi channel LPCM over HDMI from the Panny!!!

Thanks for the help.

River4lv

12-16-07, 09:11 AM

tuscany

12-16-07, 09:49 AM

Please Help!!!.......i Put A Dvd-audio Disc Into My Bd-10(donald Fagens Morph The Cat)anyway The Menu From The Disc Is Frozen On The Screen? The Audio Plays Great I Can Skip Tracks With The Remote,pwer On And Off Etc,i Removed The Disc And Put A Blu-ray Movie On And Sure Enough The Audio Was Fine But The Picture From The Dvd-audio Disc Is Still There?,okay So I Unplug The Unit For 5 Minutes ,that Didnt Work So I Reset Everything To Factory Defaults As Per Troubleshooting Tips In The Manual And Still No Luck,i Even Removed The Hdmi Cable From The Back Of The Bd-10 And The Back Of My Integra 9.8 To No Avail.if Anyone Has A Clue Please Let Me No,otherwise Ill Call Panasonic On Monday.i Havent Had Any Gliches With This Unit So Far But I Am Waiting For The Latest Firmware Update Disc (2.4) Maybe That Would Help,but I Have A Feeling Its Something Different.pretty Strange How The Dvd-audio Discs Menu Became Frozen In The Bd-10 And Thats All The You See?......thanks Randy

wase4711

12-16-07, 09:59 AM

tausifs

12-17-07, 06:17 AM

Hi,

I have read the online manual (BD10, UK). This player doesn't seem to have an adjustable crossover for the sub. Is this correct ?

Sound & Vision

12-17-07, 06:24 AM

Hi,

I have read the online manual (BD10, UK). This player doesn't seem to have an adjustable crossover for the sub. Is this correct ?

Yes that is correct, it is set at 100hz.

av_fan

12-19-07, 02:15 PM

Let me chime in with some info from my recently
purchased DMP-BD10a.
Some of you may have seen my posts above, mine
was one that came with the promo discs, but was double-taped.
Everything inside looked new, but I'm still a bit iffy about it...

I took the advice of people here, turned off the menu audio, set the
multi-ch speaker presence (even though all speaker processing
is done on the receiver), and disabled the remote's wheel.
The remote is definitely weak, this seems to be across the line
on all Panasonic players nowadays.

It came with FW 2.2, I started watching PotC:CotBP that came
with it, smooth for the most part, but it dropped out
a couple of times. Excellent picture. I upgraded
to FW 2.4 using the CDr method, then watched PotC:DMC,
ran without problems. Again, excellent picture.
On both these discs, there was a little delay until the talking
pirate skull in the menus.

I used a couple of TV on DVD's to check the picture quality
for some regular DVDs, it fared only slightly better than a DVD-S52,
and worse than a DVD-S97 (that one had DcDi),
significantly worse than the XA2. Mind you,
I did not use any of the picture enhancement controls yet.
What is the general verdict on those controls (sharpness, DNR etc.)?

I also watched Fantastic4. I think that had DTS-MA, I selected that
and my receiver still showed Multi Ch In, but I suspect it was
downconverted to DTS since I understand the 10a doesn't decode
DTS-MA. Excellent picture and sound (the same cannot be said of the movie itself!).

Still canot get over that "open box" feeling. I found some pics in a review
of the DMP-BD10 here (google cache of a review from another forum),
and that player has the informational cardboard strip on the top,
and a sticker on the front indicating 1080p/DTS and such. Mine had neither.

Anyhooo, happily format neutral now, but using the XA2 for regular DVDs...

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/imgcache/2091.imgcache&imgrefurl=http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php%3Ft%3D243666&h=480&w=640&sz=68&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=UORgZ39zi0vFuM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpanasonic%2Bdmp-bd10%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den

General Kenobi

12-19-07, 02:37 PM

I just purchased the BD-10A and have it connected to a Denon 3803 Receiver (no hdmi) via 5.1 channel analogs. Will I be missing anything if I set all of the audio out settings to PCM rather than sending regular DD and DTS out via bitstream over digital coaxial? This way I can just leave the Denon on the external-in setting for everything and let the BD-10A do all of the decoding? Thanks for any replies.

I have the 3801 and am running the Ext. in set-up with my 10A. You have to turn HDMI audio output off and set audio to multi-channel. Then you can run your 3 sets of RCA's from the 10A to the Denon. I also have a coax running to the Denon that I use on some DTS and DD audio BD movies which I prefer over the Ext. in for movies w/out PCM or TrueHD.

BTW - Can anyone shoot make some recs on PQ settings (sharpness, etc.)? Mine looks pretty good but I wouldn't mind some opinions from the experts.

Terminator840

12-19-07, 07:05 PM

ayrton

12-19-07, 10:29 PM

I need a refresher on getting the best sound out of DTS HD MA discs. I am using analogs and optical. Since the BD10 doesn't decode DTS MA, but gives you DTS HR, which output will have a higher bit-rate, analogs or optical?

I use the analogs with DTS HD set to PCM.

This will allow it to send a 1.5 Mbs "Core" to your receiver. While playing in this setup my player shows DTS HD.

Anyone elst, please jump in. I know this was posted before, but I couldn't find it. :confused:

Terminator840

12-20-07, 10:32 AM

Thanks for the input, I didn't have the time to go digging through 69 pages of posts.

fuzzybk

12-20-07, 09:11 PM

I use the analogs with DTS HD set to PCM.

This will allow it to send a 1.5 Mbs "Core" to your receiver. While playing in this setup my player shows DTS HD.

Anyone elst, please jump in. I know this was posted before, but I couldn't find it. :confused:

I use the analog outs as well. I set all the audio options to PCM and let the Panny work it's magic.

General Kenobi

12-21-07, 12:13 AM

I use the analog outs as well. I set all the audio options to PCM and let the Panny work it's magic.

Isn't that in the digital assignment portion of the set-up menu? Maybe I'm not understanding you (apologies if that's the case) but bitstream or PCM settings would be a moot function when using the analog outs and making adjustments on digital assignments no?

btw - I checked mine last night and saw that I am using 2.3 firmware, what am I missing by not having the 2.4 yet?

tmonday

12-21-07, 12:34 PM

What is this setting used for in the Panasonic DMP-BD10A? HDMI Video Mode. I set it to "off" to see what changes, but the image still travels via HDMI. Has anyone tried this?

Marching Chiefs

12-21-07, 04:51 PM

I used to use analogs, but for MA I now bitstream it via optical to my DTS Neo:6 compatible receiver. It still gets the same 1.5mbps high quality core, and this way I can engage processing to make all of my 7.1 speakers work with 5.1 content. Of course, this introduces an extra D/A conversion that may degrade AQ, but I don't have a high enough quality system to hear that difference. To me, the bitstreamed DTS core sounds just as good if not a little better (because of the extra speakers) as the core extracted and decoded within the player.

Just a personal preference.

Terminator840

12-21-07, 05:28 PM

I was wondering if you could get the 1.5mbps through optical, I'll have to try it next time I play a DTS disc.

EldoradoSan

12-21-07, 05:46 PM

I believe that would be capable on regular dvd(Twister had a DTS 1.5 mbps track). So Blu-Ray should have no issues sending the core through optical.

Lee Bailey

12-21-07, 08:32 PM

I believe that would be capable on regular dvd(Twister had a DTS 1.5 mbps track). So Blu-Ray should have no issues sending the core through optical.

Also plays just fine on the Sci Fi Channel's version of Frank Herbert's Dune (3 DVDs 1.5M DTS Track).

himey

12-21-07, 09:55 PM

I thaught that Live Free or Die Hard (DTS-HD MA) through the analogs to my analog multichannel preamp with the BD-10a sounded as good as anything I have heard on my system.

nick2010

12-21-07, 10:28 PM

What is this setting used for in the Panasonic DMP-BD10A? HDMI Video Mode. I set it to "off" to see what changes, but the image still travels via HDMI. Has anyone tried this?

I also noticed this, but I still keep it "on" when using HDMI anyway.

fuzzybk

12-22-07, 10:22 PM

I thaught that Live Free or Die Hard (DTS-HD MA) through the analogs to my analog multichannel preamp with the BD-10a sounded as good as anything I have heard on my system.

I thought the same thing.

Blu Camry SE

12-23-07, 05:58 PM

Those of you who own the Panasonic '10A, have you ever experimented with the picture control settings? I most of the time leave it on NORMAL, but sometimes I feel the SOFT setting takes much of the grain and noise down to a minimum; I avoid all the other settings like USER or FINE or CINEMA, because these just look horrid...but am I taking too much resolution out of an image by using the SOFT setting?

AMPLIFICATION/PROCESSING:
ONKYO TX-SR605
Onboard Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD, DTS HD Master Audio; HDMI 1.3a

SOURCING:
Panasonic DMP-BD10A Blu-ray Disc Player

LOUDSPEAKER SUITE:
Mains: polkaudio R20
Center: polkaudio CSi30
Surrounds: polkaudio R15
Sub: polkaudio PSW10

DISPLAY:
SONY 50" SXRD Rear Projection

INTERCONNECTS & SPEAKER CABLE BY MONSTER

POWER PROTECTION BY APC SURGEARREST

cavu

12-23-07, 11:44 PM

am I taking too much resolution out of an image by using the SOFT setting?Yes.

Blu Camry SE

12-24-07, 03:23 AM

Yes.

Thanks Cavu for your reply....can you give me some more insight on why using the SOFT mode shouldn't be used? Is it a matter of resolution lost? Do you use a Panasonic '10A in your setup, as well?

cavu

12-24-07, 04:38 AM

give me some more insight on why using the SOFT mode shouldn't be usedCheck it out for yourself using the sharpness & resolution test patterns on something like AVIA.

This topic has been beaten to death. Search the AVS forums for "sharpness" or "edge enhancement".

MoFoHo

12-24-07, 10:55 AM

Blu Camry SE

12-24-07, 04:44 PM

Check it out for yourself using the sharpness & resolution test patterns on something like AVIA.

This topic has been beaten to death. Search the AVS forums for "sharpness" or "edge enhancement".

....but I was talking about the player's SOFT picture setting, compared to the other ones available....I would only choose between NORMAL and SOFT....:confused:

cavu

12-24-07, 05:30 PM

I would only choose between NORMAL and SOFTSo buy/borrow/steal a calibration disc, select the sharpness & resolution test patterns and switch between SOFT and NORMAL. You'll see for yourself what happens to the resolution.

GMJim

12-24-07, 09:15 PM

I'm trying to upgrade the firmware from 2.3 to 2.4 and get the unsupport message. Could it be because I used a DVD blank instead of a CD to copy the file to?
Thanks
Jim

GMJim

12-24-07, 10:12 PM

I tried it with a CD instead and it worked fine!
Thanks
Jim

merv43

12-24-07, 11:53 PM

I thaught that Live Free or Die Hard (DTS-HD MA) through the analogs to my analog multichannel preamp with the BD-10a sounded as good as anything I have heard on my system.

I thought this as well, this is one good sound track, can't imagine what it sounds like with MA! Wow.

Blu Camry SE

12-25-07, 03:35 AM

So buy/borrow/steal a calibration disc, select the sharpness & resolution test patterns and switch between SOFT and NORMAL. You'll see for yourself what happens to the resolution.

Cavu,

While I will take your suggestion and obtain a calibration disc as soon as I get a chance, can I respectfully, please, ask you to explain exactly what happens when switching to a mode like Panasonic's "SOFT" picture setting in comparison to leaving it on, say, "NORMAL"?

What about the other picture modes for that matter....what about available modes like CINEMA, FINE or USER? Should THESE be utilized?

I was watching an underground comedy cult film called "Hebrew Hammer" starring Adam Goldberg tonight on DVD, and I left the Blu-ray player on the SOFT picture setting....it seemed to eliminate much of the annoying grain and "grit" that seems to litter all my upconverted DVDs; of course, some of the grain was still there -- but it just seems to cut down on that "digital edginess" that some scaling players deliver (my player is set to output on AUTO HDMI resolution, which translates to 1080p for MY Sony SXRD). Before that, we watched "Christmas Vacation: Special Edition" on standard DVD, and although this had an awful video transfer riddled with noise of all kinds, the SOFT mode again took just some of it away at least -- so what am I missing by leaving the setting off NORMAL?

mathieuhatt

12-25-07, 04:49 AM

[QUOTE=cherrystone;12476880]

Do you mean code free for SD DVDs? If so the answer is yes, you can get a pre-programmed remote off E-bay that can multi-region this player.

Is it mandatory to get this special remote ? Can't we find the appropriate codes somewhere and enter them via the normal remote ?

khellandros66

12-25-07, 10:36 AM

Thanks Cavu for your reply....can you give me some more insight on why using the SOFT mode shouldn't be used? Is it a matter of resolution lost? Do you use a Panasonic '10A in your setup, as well?

Film Grain is good, it indicates a clean transfer that stays true to the film. Now some grain is good but over th e to p is bad, look at the BD caps of Robocop, excellent transfer for an older film, same The Shining, and other Kubrick films.

Noise and grain are often mistaken for each other, noise is speckling that occurs as a result of digital error, (you will get mis-colored pixels), grain is harder to describe but is most evident in darker scenes. Once I have chance I can Photoshop a PIC that has niether to show both.

~Bobby

Blu Camry SE

12-25-07, 01:24 PM

Film Grain is good

Now here's a statement I'd never thought I'd hear! I understand that some grain "details" a transfer a bit more, but I never find grain to be "good;" in fact, on some transfers, the grain is distracting to the point my eyes go to what is flickering in the background of a scene and I'm not concentrating on what the main characters in the sequence are doing...

it indicates a clean transfer that stays true to the film. Now some grain is good but over th e to p is bad

Indeed; I am finding that more and more Blu-ray transfers are not looking that smooth at all and exhibiting distracting levels of grain...THAT'S why I was asking about using the Panasonic's SOFT picture setting, because it seems to calm this down just a tad bit...

look at the BD caps of Robocop, excellent transfer for an older film, same The Shining, and other Kubrick films.

Are you saying that these films DO exhibit excessive amounts of grain on the Blu-ray transfer? It's funny you mentioned Kubrick -- just last night I rewatched Clockwork Orange on Blu, and the transfer, for the most part, is indeed impressive considering the age of the source elements. Some parts though get unfocused, soft and really grainy....sometimes, the player's SOFT setting won't get rid of much of any grain or dirt or artifacts; one such disc that was recently really terrible was the transfer of HALLOWEEN to Blu-ray....as one of my favorite titles, I own the 1999 THX certified Anchor Bay release with the "proper" color timing according to Dean Cundey and Carpenter....watching the Blu ray version of this title, handled by Anchor Bay and STARZ! Entertainment, it was a dissapointing transfer to say the least: not only did it not carry over the Cundey coloring, many scenes were riddled with TONS of grain and noise, namely dark ones where Loomis is at the Myers house -- these scenes are so riddled with noise the picture almost gets staticky. These are elements I didn't even notice on the DVD version...

Noise and grain are often mistaken for each other, noise is speckling that occurs as a result of digital error, (you will get mis-colored pixels), grain is harder to describe but is most evident in darker scenes. Once I have chance I can Photoshop a PIC that has niether to show both.

Thanks for clearing this up, Bobby; perhaps I mean more GRAIN than noise -- but I experience all other kinds of digital artifacting on some discs, such as severe macroblocking on dark colors (only on upconverted DVDs), smearing, etc....this happens when running the HDMI resolution at 1080p for upconversion.

I figured keeping the player on its SOFT setting always would eliminate much of these "artifact" problems, but sometimes it just makes the image too damn dim....the player's manual claims "SOFT makes a picture softer, with reduced video artifacts...." and so that's why I was using it....

But I'm wondering if I should just keep the setting on NORMAL all the time and live with the grain...

How about any of you other '10A owners -- what do you all keep your PICTURE control settings on?

Blu Camry SE

12-25-07, 01:52 PM

For those who are running a 10A, I have some setup questions in my quest to make sure my gear is functioning properly...if someone with any insight can assist and lend me their suggestions for these settings, I would greatly appreciate it...

Under the player's SETUP menu (hitting the button under the flip up lid), I have the SPEAKER SETUP set to MULTI-CHANNEL instead of 2-CHANNEL, but this does not make any sense to me because of this:

The manual claims that IF you have this unit connected to equipment (receiver) that CAN decode soundtracks and do calibration/measurements properly (which I do; I'm running an Onkyo TX-SR605), then this setting here should be set to 2-CHANNEL...BUT, if you are connected to equipment that CANNOT do calibrations and speaker distances, etc., this setting should be on MULTI CHANNEL, so the PLAYER can do all these....now, based on this statement from the manual, you would assume my setting should be on 2-CHANNEL because I AM connected to a receiver that can do all decoding and measurements, etc...yet, the audio is not being played back right if I keep that setting on 2-CHANNEL....when playing Uncompressed PCM tracks and this setting is on 2 CHANNEL, the receiver allows me to use those strange DSP modes like Pro Logic II and such to process the signal -- BUT, if I switch to MULTI CHANNEL output, the PCM tracks pass with MULTICHANNEL displayed on my receiver; it's just so weird and I don't know the correct setting here....I am running EVERYTHING through HDMI, by the way, NO analog connections...

Now, that's another thing....under the player's DIGITAL AUDIO OUTPUT selection menu, the manual makes this out to mean that this controls ONLY coax and optical out, NOT HDMI -- BUT, there ARE selections here for the new high res codecs that CAN ONLY PASS VIA HDMI! So, is the HDMI AUDIO OUTPUT being affected under this menu or not? And the manual here also claims that by keeping these codecs set to PCM output, the player downmixes the tracks to a two channel PCM signal -- to be processed by a receiver -- but do we want these PCM tracks downmixed to a two channel signal? At the end, my receiver does read MULTICHANNEL when playing these tracks, but what is the manual trying to get at by leaving these settings on PCM?

Also, under the HDMI setup menu, there are selections for things like HDMI AUDIO OUT ON/OFF and HDMI VIDEO OUT ON/OFF; I have both of these set to ON....does this mean the player will pass audio and video to my receiver for processing? And what about the "BLU RAY MENU AUDIO" selection....should this be on or off? :confused::confused:

AMPLIFICATION/PROCESSING:
ONKYO TX-SR605
Onboard Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD, DTS HD Master Audio; HDMI 1.3a

SOURCING:
Panasonic DMP-BD10A Blu-ray Disc Player
marantz CC-67 5-Disc Compact Disc Changer
marantz DR700 Compact Disc Recorder

LOUDSPEAKER SUITE:
Mains: polkaudio R20
Center: polkaudio CSi30
Surrounds: polkaudio R15
Sub: polkaudio PSW10
Stands by Sanus Systems Natural Foundations

DISPLAY:
SONY 50" SXRD Rear Projection

POWER PROTECTION:
APC SurgeArrest

INTERCONNECTS & SPEAKER CABLE BY MONSTER

ferrari fan

12-25-07, 05:26 PM

Go here....http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=756879

It's the Panasonic DMP-BD10, 10A Setup/Tweaks/Settings Thread

Unfortunally this thread started in Nov. '06, but you should find what you need. Sorry I can't help as I don't have the 10A. Good luck.

EldoradoSan

12-25-07, 06:59 PM

The more effects you turn on only get you further away from the what the film SHOULD look like. As in directorial intention. If you don't like grain then I'd guess there are a great number of films you might not appreciate. Myself, I don't care if a movie's grainy, so long as it is supposed to be that way. For a HD format, I would never turn on any softening, as that only defeats the purpose of High-Def.

GMJim

12-25-07, 08:35 PM

The manual claims that IF you have this unit connected to equipment (receiver) that CAN decode soundtracks and do calibration/measurements properly (which I do; I'm running an Onkyo TX-SR605), then this setting here should be set to 2-CHANNEL...BUT, if you are connected to equipment that CANNOT do calibrations and speaker distances, etc., this setting should be on MULTI CHANNEL, so the PLAYER can do all these....now, based on this statement from the manual, you would assume my setting should be on 2-CHANNEL because I AM connected to a receiver that can do all decoding and measurements, etc...yet, the audio is not being played back right if I keep that setting on 2-CHANNEL....when playing Uncompressed PCM tracks and this setting is on 2 CHANNEL, the receiver allows me to use those strange DSP modes like Pro Logic II and such to process the signal -- BUT, if I switch to MULTI CHANNEL output, the PCM tracks pass with MULTICHANNEL displayed on my receiver;

I would also like to know what everyone thinks of this. I have my 10A setup to multi channel as well and my H/K AVR347 is supposed to sort the signals out.

I have a couple more questions.
1) Does the 10A upconvert the video to 1080P? I have the BBC Planet Earth CD set that I'm sure is not 1080P yet my Panny 700U says it's being displayed as 1080P. (I have a H/K AVR 347 hooked up thru HDMI).

2) I have my DTS-HD set to PCM and my H/K says PCM Multi channel. If I switch to bitstream my H/K says DTS. Can someone point me in a direction where I can understand which is better? DTS or Multichannel PCM?

Thanks
Jim

Blu Camry SE

12-25-07, 08:48 PM

For a HD format, I would never turn on any softening, as that only defeats the purpose of High-Def.

This was helpful in my decision to leave the SOFT picture control on or off for watching Blu-ray; I suppose you are right -- I'll keep this on NORMAL. Thank you.

Actarusfleed

12-26-07, 03:09 PM

Hi to all,
I own a panny DMP-BD10.
In this days I'm looking for a new BD player that has the DIRECT 24 function.
In my target there is the pioneer BD player LX70A that has the DIRECT signal function selectable in it's HDMI internal menù.
This funcion allow the player output a pure 24fps/480i/576i signal on HDMI.

This is fantastic 4 me.

The pioneer has the SIGMA 8634 chip the same in my panny!!
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/580/specifichecc7.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=specifichecc7.jpg)

At this point my question is: Will the panasonic ever decide to give us a firmware update that unlock the function "direct" on our panny?

Ok, now I've another question 4 u:
We know that the drive inside the BD10 is a PC BD burner (panasonic SW-5582).
Has anyone ever tried to extract the drive from the player and use it as a burner connected to the IDE port of a PC?
Does the drive need a different firmware?
Where can I find it?

thank u so much,
acta.

CraigCooper

12-26-07, 03:26 PM

I'm pretty sure the burner has been disabled by firmware. If you could get the original from somewhere, you should be able to flash it.

nick2010

12-26-07, 04:14 PM

Does the subwoofer level need to be increased for HDMI audio, or is that just for analog? (and if so, by how much?)

fmalczewski

12-26-07, 07:22 PM

Does the subwoofer level need to be increased for HDMI audio, or is that just for analog? (and if so, by how much?)

Seems like it to me. I believe I have mine bumped +15dB.

(I have the XA2 bumped by +10dB, but it seems to have more umph in its multi-channel HDMI outs, and wonder why the Panny still seems weak in comparison. (And why non-multi-channel HDMI (i.e., plain old DD/DTS seems to kick but in comparison also))

(If I have time, I will try bumping the sub itself up and re-adjusting everything else correspondingly, but it's OK-ish at this point)

Blu Camry SE

12-26-07, 11:31 PM

Guys,

How about some more feedback on the 10A's settings?

This is what confuses me most: the manual claims the SPEAKER SETTINGS under the setup menu should go like this: if you are connected to equipment that CAN decode formats, do distances, calibrations, etc., then select 2-CHANNEL here....but, if you are NOT connected to equipment that can handle these duties, then select MULTI-CHANNEL....now, I'm running an Onkyo receiver to this '10A that can, of course, do all processing and decoding and such, so you would think that I should select 2-CHANNEL according to the way the manual describes it, right? Well, when I do that, the multichannel tracks aren't sent "properly" to my receiver because I can use all those funky DSP modes to alter the sound of the PCM tracks -- it doesn't seem correct to me that way. When I select MULTI-CHANNEL on the Panasonic, then the PCM tracks are sent and seen at my receiver as MULTICH on the display, with PCM/HDMI/MULTICHANNEL illuminated above it.....wouldn't that be the right way?

That opens up another set of questions then....under the instructions for DIGITAL AUDIO OUTPUT settings in the manual, it says that if you select PCM for the high resolution codecs (Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS HD) then the PLAYER converts these tracks into a TWO CHANNEL signal and sends them to a receiver; does this sound right? Is this what is actually happening? Should these tracks, which are being internally decoded by the player in PCM, be converted to a two channel signal and then sent to the receiver? If so, then why does the receiver read MULTI-CHANNEL when these tracks are being played?

When keeping the SPEAKER SETTINGS on MULTI CHANNEL on the '10A, there is that option for setting speaker sizes, delays, etc; but does this affect ONLY the ANALOG OUTPUTS? I cannot get a definite answer on this...I am running ONLY HDMI, no analog connections, so do these speaker settings get utilized at all, or is my receiver doing all of it because I have made a DIGITAL (HDMI) connection?

fmalczewski

12-27-07, 09:14 AM

obxdiver

12-27-07, 10:03 AM

Hello fellow BD10 owners
I just purchased this player from Tiger Direct. Great price they have right now.
I also own a Lumagen HDQ video processor.
Does anyone here use this player with the Lumagen HDQ?
If so, can you please give me your input type settings in the HDQ?
Does this player output HDMI component 4:2:2 color space?
How do you have your EDID setup in the HDQ?
I will be connecting the BD10 to the HDQ via HDMI to DVI.

Any hints on Lumagen and BD10 settings you have to get me going is appreciated.
My Lumagen is driving a RP CRT 65" Mits with 9" CRT's.
The Lumagen is set to output 1080i @ 59.94 Hz via the DVI output.

PS. I already have the HD-A1 connected to the HDQ and am running 4:2:2 from it.

jugglerq

12-27-07, 03:52 PM

Hello is this the way the BD10A are playing DTS-HD Master audio, I just got Independence Day for Christmas and the sound is just fabulous, “I think that it can Or can it” my setup is

DTS-HD = pcm in to my Onkyo TX 605 please see link

www.dtsonline.com/dts-hd/dtshd-master-audio-with-existing-receiver.php

and as you can see my spelling isn’t so good in English.

obxdiver

12-27-07, 04:42 PM

i just got independensday for chrismas and the sound i just fabelus, i think that it can my seup is

Care to re-read that to yourself and see if u can make heads or tails out of that cluster of words.

quad user

12-27-07, 04:44 PM

Care to re-read that to yourself and see if u can make heads or tails out of that cluster of words.

I can read it, mate.:) Here is the complete url:

http://www.dtsonline.com/dts-hd/dtshd-master-audio-with-existing-receiver.php

narcopolo

12-27-07, 04:44 PM

Care to re-read that to yourself and see if u can make heads or tails out of that cluster of words.

He says it's his can of soup.

Probably means he likes it.

Denny_S

12-27-07, 05:19 PM

Okay, this question is for owners of the Yamaha RX V-1800 and the Panny :
I just recently bought a Yamaha RX V-1800 receiver. Hooked up to this BD10 via HDMI, does it/should it make a difference with sound if I use 'straight' processing compared with 5.1 analog?
According to Yamaha, 'straight' mode (not to be confused with 'Pure Direct' mode) does not add any post processing to the signal. Whereas, analog 5.1 inputs is also supposed to do the same thing, does it not?
How exactly does the output signal differ for the Panasonic between HDMI and analog for the various sound formats eg: DTS-HD, Dolby THD, and PCM uncompressed?
My brief comparison of the different inputs all appear to sound almost identical.
Am I hearing this correctly or should the output from the analogs from the Panny sound 'better' than the HDMI signal?

Blu Camry SE

12-27-07, 07:08 PM

Okay, thanks for this insight as it has helped a bit....let me break down some of your reply and reply to IT....

The speaker sizes/etc are for analog only.

Okay, this had been explained to me, and I thought I was ready to accept it, only here is what happens: when I select MULTI CHANNEL for speaker output on the Panasonic, that opens up the next menu selection for the SPEAKER SETTINGS (with the pictures of the speakers, their sizes, etc.)....BUT, being that I am running ONLY DIGITAL HDMI connections, these settings shouldn't be affected....YET, IF I SWITCH THIS SELECTION TO 2-CHANNEL ON THE PANASONIC, suddenly the PCM signals received at my Onkyo over HDMI are changed -- I can all of a sudden use the DSP modes like Pro Logic II, etc., to play these PCM tracks back -- and these modes sound terrible. WHEN I LEAVE THIS SETTING ON MULTI CHANNEL ON THE PLAYER, then the PCM tracks are sent to my Onkyo seeing a "MULTICH" message on the receiver -- which I have been told is THE CORRECT MESSAGE THAT SHOULD BE SEEN...

Let me put it another way that may be a bit easier to understand....last night, I experimented with PIRATES: DEAD MAN'S CHEST, and again switched back and forth between its UNCOMPRESSED and DOLBY DIGITAL tracks on the fly, using the remote's pop up menu button to access the two mixes....when I left the Panasonic Blu-ray player on "MULTI-CHANNEL" under its speaker setup, then the PCM track passed to my receiver, and it displayed "MULTICH" on the display, with "HDMI/MULTICHANNEL/PCM" displayed in very small letters above that big MULTICH display (other Onkyo owners will know the kind of display pattern I am describing)....using this method, which I was told is correct, the PCM track sounded as it always did to me -- much lower in overall output and definitely lacking bass. Now, when IN THIS MULTI CHANNEL SPEAKER MODE ON THE PANASONIC, and when playing an uncompressed PCM track from a disc, my receiver will only allow me two listening modes to choose from: MULTICHANNEL and DIRECT, which both sound the exact same way to me.

Now....IF I SWITCH THAT SPEAKER SETTING ON THE PANASONIC TO "2-CHANNEL," and play an uncompressed PCM track, my receiver suddenly lets me use all the DSP modes available on the receiver -- All Channel Stereo, Pro Logic II, Mono Movie, etc....all of these sounded terrible playing the uncompressed tracks back. So, my question becomes this:

IF THESE SPEAKER SETTINGS ON THE PANASONIC ARE ONLY TO AFFECT ANALOG OUTPUT, THEN WHY IS IT MAKING A DIFFERENCE ON MY SYSTEM WHICH IS ONLY CONNECTED WITH HDMI? WHAT SHOULD THE SETTING BE ON THEN, 2 CHANNEL OR MULTI CHANNEL? And touching those speaker settings shouldnt make a difference being that Im running HDMI/Digital, right?

I would appreciate any insight on this.

If you are getting multi-channel digital output from your player into your receiver and sound is coming out of most/all of your speakers, then you are ok.

I am indeed receiving audio from all speakers NO MATTER WHAT I KEEP THIS SPEAKER SETTING ON -- 2 or MULTICHANNEL -- but the difference is that by choosing 2 CHANNEL, my receiver allows me to use those DSP modes on PCM tracks, and by using the MULTI CHANNEL setting, my receiver only lets me use DIRECT or MULTICHANNEL listening modes when playing PCM tracks....what gives?

And no, I'm not just getting audio from two speakers, so I'm ahead of that curve...

Blu Camry SE

12-27-07, 07:10 PM

Care to re-read that to yourself and see if u can make heads or tails out of that cluster of words.

Indeed.....I was thinking the same thing about his post....I just couldn't discern the words....:eek:

peeweep69

12-27-07, 11:15 PM

Not everybody speaks or types english as a first language, the guy's just trying to help, give him a break . . . they don't call this the world wide web for nothing. Anyways, getting off the soapbox.

mathieuhatt

12-28-07, 09:54 AM

[QUOTE=cherrystone;12476880]

Do you mean code free for SD DVDs? If so the answer is yes, you can get a pre-programmed remote off E-bay that can multi-region this player.

Is it mandatory to get a special remote ? Isn't it possible to unlock the player another way ? Does the special remote work on region B players ?

quad user

12-28-07, 10:52 AM

Not everybody speaks or types english as a first language, the guy's just trying to help, give him a break . . . they don't call this the world wide web for nothing. Anyways, getting off the soapbox.

+1:rolleyes:

obxdiver

12-28-07, 04:54 PM

alfbinet

12-28-07, 11:02 PM

Hi to all,
I own a panny DMP-BD10.
In this days I'm looking for a new BD player that has the DIRECT 24 function.
In my target there is the pioneer BD player LX70A that has the DIRECT signal function selectable in it's HDMI internal menù.
This funcion allow the player output a pure 24fps/480i/576i signal on HDMI.

This is fantastic 4 me.

The pioneer has the SIGMA 8634 chip the same in my panny!!
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/580/specifichecc7.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=specifichecc7.jpg)

At this point my question is: Will the panasonic ever decide to give us a firmware update that unlock the function "direct" on our panny?
Ok, now I've another question 4 u:
We know that the drive inside the BD10 is a PC BD burner (panasonic SW-5582).
Has anyone ever tried to extract the drive from the player and use it as a burner connected to the IDE port of a PC?
Does the drive need a different firmware?
Where can I find it?

thank u so much,
acta.

Good question. I have the BD10 as well. Can they update to allow 1080p/24? My Toshiba XA2 was upgraded to 1080p/24 via firmware update and is excellent with my Pioneer PDP 6010 Kuro display. My BD10 only outputs 1080p/60

fmalczewski

12-29-07, 10:36 AM

Can some one tell me what
"HDMI RGB Output Range" does in the HDMI menu of the BD10?
It has 2 settings: Standard and Enhanced

The PDF manual does not describe this that I have seen.

Does anyone know what this does?

Manual sez: "Effective when connected to a device that only supports RGB output"

"Enhanced: When the black and white images are not distinct". (Well, there you go :)) (I believe this provides the full range of bits available for color output 0-255, whereas the Standard setting would truncate this somewhat from the bottom, perhaps from the top of that range; the truncated bottom is the below black settings that TVs like a lot).

I alway use enhanced settings (pretty sure I have this enabled; don't recall for sure whether it had any effect (my TV's not on), but I think it did). Try it, you should see darker blacks on your TV when it's selected, if it has any effect, and your TV's not too out of whack.

Go with enhanced. Adjust your TV with one of the calibration DVDs (e.g., Avia, Digital Video Essentials), this is a pretty basic thing that these DVDs address.

obxdiver

12-29-07, 02:50 PM

Manual sez: "Effective when connected to a device that only supports RGB output"

"Enhanced: When the black and white images are not distinct". (Well, there you go :)) (I believe this provides the full range of bits available for color output 0-255, whereas the Standard setting would truncate this somewhat from the bottom, perhaps from the top of that range; the truncated bottom is the below black settings that TVs like a lot).

I alway use enhanced settings (pretty sure I have this enabled; don't recall for sure whether it had any effect (my TV's not on), but I think it did). Try it, you should see darker blacks on your TV when it's selected, if it has any effect, and your TV's not too out of whack.

Go with enhanced. Adjust your TV with one of the calibration DVDs (e.g., Avia, Digital Video Essentials), this is a pretty basic thing that these DVDs address.
Thanks for the reply
I have it set to Enhanced. I believe this changes the levels from PC to VIDEO...or like you said 0-255 (VIDEO Levels) vs 16-235 (PC Levels).
And yes...BLACK levels and shadow details are very accurate with the ENHANCED setting.

Have you ever had a problem where this setting keeps getting reset back to "Standard"?
I have had that happen 2 times now where I change inputs on the Lumagen VP and come back to the BD10 inpuyt and the blacks are all wrong because this menu setting reverted back to Standard.
Anyone had this happen?
My player is running version 2.0 FW.

Blu Camry SE

12-29-07, 07:37 PM

Does anyone know why, on the Panasonic '10A's onscreen display messages, it reads "MULTI" after each high-resolution soundtrack that is listed?

In other words, when playing a regular DVD, and pressing the DISPLAY button on the '10A's remote, the soundtrack and laguage information will come onscreen, and it will read "Dolby Digital 3/2.1ch" or "DTS 3/2.1ch" or whatever is playing, with the speaker configuration appearing just like I mentioned....HOWEVER, when playing a Blu-ray disc, this display message changes when pressing the DISPLAY button; EVERY soundtrack codec, during Blu-ray playback, reads "Dolby Digital MULTI" or "DTS-HD MULTI" or "LPCM MULTI 48K..." Why? Why do these tracks appear differently than the DVD tracks do?

And I have another question with regard to this: why, when playing DTS Master Audio tracks from a disc, does this player indicate "DTS-HD MULTI" on the display screen? If the player cannot support Master Audio, why is it reading DTS-HD output on the display when these tracks are played? The manual claims standard DTS surround will be used as an alternative on Master Audio tracks....so what does this DTS-HD mean?

narcopolo

12-29-07, 07:51 PM

why, when playing DTS Master Audio tracks from a disc, does this player indicate "DTS-HD MULTI" on the display screen? If the player cannot support Master Audio, why is it reading DTS-HD output on the display when these tracks are played? The manual claims standard DTS surround will be used as an alternative on Master Audio tracks....so what does this DTS-HD mean?

Far as I know a firmware update (after the manual was printed) turns master into HD, rather than just standard dts. Sounds pretty good to me.

Blu Camry SE

12-29-07, 08:03 PM

Far as I know a firmware update (after the manual was printed) turns master into HD, rather than just standard dts. Sounds pretty good to me.

Thanks Narco,

Now what you say here could actually make sense; I never considered an update that may have been initiated....are you saying this update was ALREADY in the machine, perhaps, and that's why the menu is reading "DTS-HD"?

And now that launches another exhausting series of questions for me, beginning with this one:

I was informed recently that NO DTS-HD extraction of the DTS Master Audio stream was available, nor going on, with the '10A player...therefore, by keeping the "DTS-HD" audio setting of the player on PCM, there were NO sonic benefits of doing so because our receivers wouldn't be GETTING a PCM'ed DTS-HD extraction from these Master Audio tracks -- NO MATTER WHAT, a standard, extracted CORE DTS mix would be heard.

Now, with what you're telling me above, DTS-HD IS IN FACT implemented on the '10A when playing DTS Master Audio -- so, by keeping the DTS HD setting on PCM IS IN FACT sending the DTS HD element of the Master Audio track? Do I have this right? This WOULD be the correct setting for sending these DTS HD signals then, PCM?

See, if I keep the DTS HD audio setting on the Panasonic on BITSTREAM and play a Master Audio track, my receiver sees a "DTS" signal, as evidenced on its display....if I keep the DTS HD audio setting from the player on PCM, then my receiver sees a "MULTICH" signal, with "PCM/HDMI/MULTICHANNEL" illuminated above it...I WAS TOLD, before you informed me of this update, that by BITSTREAMING OR SETTING THIS TO PCM, EITHER WAY, I WAS ONLY GETTING THE "CORE" DTS TRACK FROM THESE MASTER AUDIO MIXES...does this still ring true?

Can someone please confirm if the '10A did in fact get some kind of factory update before shipping and that is the reason why DTS-HD is indicated when I play Master Audio tracks? And then what should the DTS-HD audio setting be on on the player -- PCM or BITSTREAM??? :confused::confused:

obxdiver

12-29-07, 08:19 PM

Which movie are you playing and what firmware version is in your player?

Blu Camry SE

12-29-07, 08:28 PM

Which movie are you playing and what firmware version is in your player?

The discs I tried with these Master Audio tracks have been anywhere from the Fantastic 4's to Live Free or Die Hard....all of these have the DTS Master Audio tracks on them...

As for the firmware version, I'm not sure; all I know is that I purchased the player in October, I believe, and it came with the five discs in the box...when I go under the DIGITAL AUDIO OUTPUT menu under setup, there are selections for these:

PCM DOWNCONVERSION ON/OFF
DOLBY DIGITAL PCM/BITSTREAM
DOLBY DIGITAL PLUS/DOLBY TRUEHD PCM/BITSTREAM
DTS PCM/BITSTREAM
DTS-HD PCM/BITSTREAM

raneil

12-30-07, 06:36 AM

I have a question, has anyone been able to successfully play a homemade bd-re disk in this player? I know the manuel says the player supports bd rom only and I could find no upgrade mentioning this as being supported. Any comments would be appreciated.

obxdiver

12-30-07, 08:05 AM

The discs I tried with these Master Audio tracks have been anywhere from the Fantastic 4's to Live Free or Die Hard....all of these have the DTS Master Audio tracks on them...

As for the firmware version, I'm not sure;

I just got my player at Best Buy for $399. I will go today and buy a couple of those movies, since they are the ones I wanted anyway.
I will take a look at the audio display myself.
I have ALL of my audio formats set to PCM in the audio setup menu. I do this because I ONLY use the 7.1 analog outputs, and have no digital audio connection at all from the player.
I have played The 5th Element Superbit SD DVD in DTS and I get excellent audio from 5 of the 7 channels

BTW, you can go back to post #2 on page 1 of this thread to find out what firmware your player has.
The latest is version 2.4.

obxdiver

12-30-07, 08:12 AM

Can someone please confirm if the '10A did in fact get some kind of factory update before shipping and that is the reason why DTS-HD is indicated when I play Master Audio tracks? And then what should the DTS-HD audio setting be on on the player -- PCM or BITSTREAM??? :confused::confused:
You can see from the version history, that in Version 2.2, DTS-HD was enhanced. Maybe that is the change you are asking about

2007/10/10
Ver 2.4
1. Playability and Stability for Blu-ray discs and DVD disc

2007/8/28
Ver 2.3
1. Playability and stability

2007/6/19
Ver 2.2
1. Playability and stability
2. DTS-HD Playback Enhanced

2007/5/31
Ver 2.1
1. Playability and stability

2007/4/18
Ver 2.0
1. Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio are supported. A new decoder is incorporated to support the latest high quality multi-channel surround sound formats.
2. Functions of EZ Sync(North America) or VIErA Link(Europe/UK, Oceania) are enhanced. You can now seamlessly operate multiple connected components with one remote control.
3. Playability and stability

Mcguinn

12-30-07, 09:16 AM

You can see from the version history, that in Version 2.2, DTS-HD was enhanced. Maybe that is the change you are asking about

2007/10/10
Ver 2.4
1. Playability and Stability for Blu-ray discs and DVD disc

2007/8/28
Ver 2.3
1. Playability and stability

2007/6/19
Ver 2.2
1. Playability and stability
2. DTS-HD Playback Enhanced

2007/5/31
Ver 2.1
1. Playability and stability

2007/4/18
Ver 2.0
1. Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio are supported. A new decoder is incorporated to support the latest high quality multi-channel surround sound formats.
2. Functions of EZ Sync(North America) or VIErA Link(Europe/UK, Oceania) are enhanced. You can now seamlessly operate multiple connected components with one remote control.
3. Playability and stability

I have wondered about the 2.2 update and what Panasonic meant by "enhanced" DTS-HD playback.
As I have understood it, DTS Master Audio is not an extension of DTS High Resolution Audio. The Panny BD10 does not have the processing capability to decode DTS MA.
Therefore, when playing a Blu-ray disk via PCM or bitstream with a DTS MA audio encode, you will only get the 1.5 core and not a 6Mbps extension.
So when playing a DTS MA encoded disk I send it as bitstream because I think that the my AV receiver (Denon 4306) has superior processing for core DTS.
Does anyone have information that would suggest otherwise? This has certainly been a source of some confusion.

obxdiver

12-30-07, 12:05 PM

And I have another question with regard to this: why, when playing DTS Master Audio tracks from a disc, does this player indicate "DTS-HD MULTI" on the display screen? If the player cannot support Master Audio, why is it reading DTS-HD output on the display when these tracks are played? The manual claims standard DTS surround will be used as an alternative on Master Audio tracks....so what does this DTS-HD mean?

OK I just did a firmware update on my BD10A from 2.0 to 2.4
I also went out and purchased Live Free or Die Hard BD movie at a local Sam's Club.
I can confirm what Blu Camry is seeing.
I selected DTS-HD Master Audio from the audio options of the movie.
On the BD-10's display menu (when u hit display on the remote) on the "Disk" tab, the soundtrack is showing DTS-HD MULTI.
The sound is spectacular.
So what is our BD10 doing. Is it converting DTS-HD MA to DTS-HD?
Or are we hearing DTC-Core?
No matter what, it is very good AQ.

BTW: ALL of my audio output options in the BD10's setup menu are set to PCM. Nothing is set to Bitstream

joffer

12-30-07, 01:20 PM

OK I just did a firmware update on my BD10A from 2.0 to 2.4
I also went out and purchased Live Free or Die Hard BD movie at a local Sam's Club.
I can confirm what Blu Camry is seeing.
I selected DTS-HD Master Audio from the audio options of the movie.
On the BD-10's display menu (when u hit display on the remote) on the "Disk" tab, the soundtrack is showing DTS-HD MULTI.
The sound is spectacular.
So what is our BD10 doing. Is it converting DTS-HD MA to DTS-HD?
Or are we hearing DTC-Core?
No matter what, it is very good AQ.

BTW: ALL of my audio output options in the BD10's setup menu are set to PCM. Nothing is set to Bitstream

I think we're hearing the DTS core. I think that display of DTS-HD MULTI is not meant to convey what it's decoding, just which track is selected. In this case, it is the DTS-HD MA track, even though it's just the core of it.

Blu Camry SE

12-30-07, 04:22 PM

I think we're hearing the DTS core. I think that display of DTS-HD MULTI is not meant to convey what it's decoding, just which track is selected. In this case, it is the DTS-HD MA track, even though it's just the core of it.

Okay Guys,

Wow, lots of confusion about all this and still no definite answers; I'm glad to at least see that others are finding the same issues with this DTS MA problem on the '10A! Well, I'm not GLAD to see that, as it has caused headaches for everyone here and me included, but I just mean that it's nice to know I'm not the only one losing sleep over this! :):eek:

Anyway, indeed, when I play back DTS Master Audio soundtracks from the Fox titles, my '10A IS claiming that "DTS HD MULTI" is being played back -- but there is still no confirmation that the "HD" element of these Master Audio tracks are being extracted upon playback under PCM setting of DTS HD on the player -- or if that's even a POSSIBILITY....

Joffer above says that the indication of DTS HD MULTI on the screen does not suggest that the player is DECODING that DTS HD element -- just that it's the TRACK that has been selected off the disc, which is usually how these DVD players work -- you select a track off a disc and the onscreen menu displays the soundtrack selected -- Dolby D, DTS, etc.; however, in this case, I simply don't know what we're hearing -- IS THE PANNY '10A SET TO SEND DTS-HD EXTRACTED FROM THE MASTER AUDIO TRACK OVER PCM WHEN PLAYING MASTER AUDIO TRACKS....OR, NO MATTER WHAT, IS ALL WE'RE HEARING IS THE DTS CORE?

If all we're hearing is the DTS core, then I'm leaving my DTS HD output setting on BISTREAM because that sounds way better than PCM when I play back these Master Audio mixes to my ears -- but the more disturbing question becomes why Joffer seems to think that the Panasonic is indicating DTS HD MULTI because that's what track has been selected from the disc -- when that's not really true; DTS MASTER AUDIO has been selected from the disc, which this player can't handle, so what is this indication of "DTS HD MULTI"?

joffer

12-30-07, 04:43 PM

-- but the more disturbing question becomes why Joffer seems to think that the Panasonic is indicating DTS HD MULTI because that's what track has been selected from the disc -- when that's not really true; DTS MASTER AUDIO has been selected from the disc, which this player can't handle, so what is this indication of "DTS HD MULTI"?

that's just it, i think it is true. in most cases there's only one English track, the DTS-HD MA track. that's the one the player has been selected to play, and it can "handle" it, however it can only extract/decode part of it. it is a little confusing that the player displays the "HD" part, but i think it's just a quirk/bug.

the only way i can think to confirm what's actually being sent to the receiver is if someone can tell what bit rate their AVR is receiving. if it's over 1.5 Mb/s, then it's more than just the DTS core.

Blu Camry SE

12-30-07, 09:41 PM

that's just it, i think it is true. in most cases there's only one English track, the DTS-HD MA track.

Well, on the Fox titles I have been demoing -- namely "Live Free or Die Hard" and the "Fanatastic 4"'s -- there is an English DTS Master Audio track alongside an English Dolby Digital 5.1 mix; I am not POSITIVE this is true for the Fantastic 4 films, but it is for Live Free...

that's the one the player has been selected to play, and it can "handle" it, however it can only extract/decode part of it.

Well, this is becoming VERY very confusing at this point because I don't know what the heck the '10A is doing with these Master Audio tracks -- the TRACK is a DTS HD MASTER AUDIO track, but the PLAYER sees this as a "DTS-HD" track, as evidenced when you press the onscreen menu button, and depending on how your player is configured to send DTS-HD, either PCM or bitstream, your receiver or processor will display "DTS" or "MULTICH"; now, the problem comes into play here: if I put MY Panny '10A on BITSTREAM for DTS HD output, and play a Master Audio track, my equipment does the HDMI handshake, and then my Onkyo receiver displays "DTS" on the front panel....now, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE in this case -- IS MY RECEIVER SIMPLY DECODING THE CORE DTS TRACK FROM THE MASTER AUDIO MIX or what?? If I set the DTS-HD output to PCM, then my receiver displays "MULTICH" (as it does with uncompressed tracks) and yet STILL the player's onscreen display reads "DTS-HD MULTI".....so, THIS WAY, with PCM sending the Master Audio track, IS THERE SOME "HD CORE" THAT IS BEING EXTRACTED FROM THE MASTER AUDIO MIX WHICH IS "BETTER" THAN THE CORE DTS TRACK? Is setting the DTS HD output on the '10A to PCM the CORRECT way to send the "HD" element of the DTS HD Master Audio mix over sending the CORE DTS mix bitstream?

it is a little confusing that the player displays the "HD" part, but i think it's just a quirk/bug.

Well, it COULD be what I said and what I was informed about: that POSSIBLY this player was shipped with a factory update that allows the "HD" part of the Master Audio mix to be extracted via PCM....still, I have NO idea if we're hearing the core DTS mix or this "extracted HD" portion of the Master Audio...

I was told that the reason the remote's onscreen display is reading "DTS-HD MULTI" is because the '10A is AUTOMATICALLY sensing an incoming Master Audio signal, which it can't handle, and is extracting the HD element of the Master Audio mix instead -- and sending THAT via PCM....but then what is going on if you set the DTS HD output on the player to BITSTREAM? DO WE LOSE THAT "HD" ELEMENT OF THE DTS MIX??

the only way i can think to confirm what's actually being sent to the receiver is if someone can tell what bit rate their AVR is receiving. if it's over 1.5 Mb/s, then it's more than just the DTS core.

I wish we could get some kind of answer on this; you can follow my investigation of these matters further in my thread devoted to this problem....

AVholick

12-30-07, 10:13 PM

I dont think that firmware ver2.4 added DTS-HD-MA decoding capability to the 10A. 10A can either pass DTS as bitstream or PCM thru SPIDF (optical or coaxial) or internally decode DTS-HD (core only) and send the signal to the 7.1 analog output. My 10A is connected to my receiver through its digital and 7.1 analog output. Switching between the two inputs in my receiver while playing a movie with DTS-HD-MA-only soundtrack has proven that the internal decoder of 10A does a better job decoding DTS-HD compared to my Denon 3805 receiver decoding bitstream core-DTS. Even if then 10A can only decode DTS-HD (not DTS-HD-MA), it still sure sounds better than regular DTS.

I am very satisfied with 10A's audio as well as video performance. I actually chose BD10A over BD30 because BD10A can internally decode DD+ and DTS-HD while the BD30 can only pass them thru HDMI (my receiver does not have HDMI inputs). I have played with BD10A's different audio configurations and found that the best setting is to use 7.1 ch output, with all speakers to large.

Blu Camry SE

12-30-07, 11:26 PM

I dont think that firmware ver2.4 added DTS-HD-MA decoding capability to the 10A.

No -- we KNOW there is no way for the '10A to do ANY KIND OF MASTER AUDIO PROCESSING whatsoever....the issue was if it could extend some kind of "HD" element from these discs....

10A can either pass DTS as bitstream or PCM thru SPIDF (optical or coaxial) or internally decode DTS-HD (core only) and send the signal to the 7.1 analog output.

This player can send DTS AND Dolby Digital via bitstream over HDMI as well; I'm doing it now...

My 10A is connected to my receiver through its digital and 7.1 analog output. Switching between the two inputs in my receiver while playing a movie with DTS-HD-MA-only soundtrack has proven that the internal decoder of 10A does a better job decoding DTS-HD compared to my Denon 3805 receiver decoding bitstream core-DTS. Even if then 10A can only decode DTS-HD (not DTS-HD-MA), it still sure sounds better than regular DTS.

And THAT'S what the whole debate is about -- IS the '10A DECODING DTS-HD out of the Master Audio tracks, or is it JUST the DTS core?

MY personal findings seem to be the opposite of yours: when I switch the DTS HD output to PCM, so the player can SUPPOSEDLY extract the DTS HD element from the Master Audio tracks, they sound no more enhanced, say, than over playing a regular DTS track which leads me to believe this player is only sending regular DTS out of Master Audio tracks....

I am very satisfied with 10A's audio as well as video performance. I actually chose BD10A over BD30 because BD10A can internally decode DD+ and DTS-HD while the BD30 can only pass them thru HDMI (my receiver does not have HDMI inputs). I have played with BD10A's different audio configurations and found that the best setting is to use 7.1 ch output, with all speakers to large.

Interesting; I am looking into the BD30 specifically for its ability to send the codecs via bitstream to my HDMI capable Onkyo TX-SR605.....

111R

12-31-07, 01:06 AM

I put Superbad into my BD10A tonight and it took a while to load.

Once it got going, it shot through the intro, the preview, and then brought up the menu. The intro and preview had sound, but the menu didn't. I selected an audio format and then selected play feature.

No sound. Went through all the audio options, and still had no sound.

Pulled the disk out, put it back in, took a while to load, and when it got up and running, no sound.

I put Cars into the player, no sound.

So I unplugged the player and let it sit.

20 minutes later, I plugged it in, put in Superbad and it played fine.

I'm running v2.4 and have never had an issue with this player until tonight.

ssabripo

12-31-07, 07:08 AM

Trackman

12-31-07, 10:39 AM

My theory is that the "DTS-HD" description refers to the fact that 1.5 DTS (i.e., the full core) is being decoded and sent to the AVR. Technically, DTS@ 1.5 is "DTS-HD" (as opposed to DTS-HD HR or DTS-HD MA). It sounds so good because DTS at 1.5 is damn good. Recall how we all used to salivate over the nice 748 kps Superbit tracks? So, this is twice the datastream and thus sounds fantastic. I know an audio engineer who told me that with most setups in the average room (acoustically), the difference between DTS @1.5 and DTS-HD HR or MA will be negligible, except in the most stressful of scenes.

P.s. I just read bftv's post in the other thread - I would go with what he says. I have read his posts for years and he is very knowledgable. So, change the reference in my post above from DTS-HD to DTS-Encore and they match.

Trackman

12-31-07, 10:42 AM

I'm ready to pull the trigger on this player, but cannot find the answer to this:

1. when using the analog outputs (truHD, DTS-HD decoded internally), are there bass management capabilities with this player?

2. are there reported LFE issues via analog outs as well, or is that an LPCM via HDMI issue only?

thanks in advance

I briefly used the analog outs on my 10A. There is no bass management in the player. Applying a +10 db sub boost with my Denon AVR worked fine re LFE and redirected bass (with 100 hz crossover).

m@rkus

12-31-07, 12:37 PM

???? The 10a does indeed have bass management! You can set speakers as large or small, set distances, adjust output etc. with no problems. For any speakers set to small, the crossover will be fixed at 100 Hz.

Setting the volume output for the actual sub is a bit tricky as the test tones on the 10a excludes an LFE tone. I simply used Avia and adjusted accordingly.

AVholick

12-31-07, 12:39 PM

I'm ready to pull the trigger on this player, but cannot find the answer to this:

1. when using the analog outputs (truHD, DTS-HD decoded internally), are there bass management capabilities with this player?

2. are there reported LFE issues via analog outs as well, or is that an LPCM via HDMI issue only?

thanks in advance

1. Yes, a fairly good one.

2. I've been using the 7.1 analog outs since i had the bd10a. No issues encountered so far.

ssabripo

12-31-07, 01:55 PM

1. Yes, a fairly good one.

2. I've been using the 7.1 analog outs since i had the bd10a. No issues encountered so far.

well that's good to know!

I just spent the entire day shopping around town for a BD10, and could not get my hands on one, until I found one in the floor at CC. Talked to the manager, hassled a little, and got the floor model (with remote) for $249. I know I dont have the box to get the free movies, but still.

My setup should be complete for the time being now, replacing the PS3 with this player:
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9607/mysetupdirectvho3.jpg

ps- what is the latest firmware, and can I get it from the panasonic website?

obxdiver

12-31-07, 01:59 PM

ps- what is the latest firmware, and can I get it from the panasonic website?

Excellent price you got there. I had to pay $399 for an open box unit at Best Buy

The latest version is 2.4. Go to page 1, post #1 & 2 of this thread for links and instructions.

quad user

12-31-07, 02:06 PM

1. Yes, a fairly good one.

2. I've been using the 7.1 analog outs since i had the bd10a. No issues encountered so far.

Are you sure that the player bass management can be applied to the analog outputs? BM is typically done in the digital realm, not analog. The manual isn't clear.

ssabripo

12-31-07, 02:10 PM

Are you sure that the player bass management can be applied to the analog outputs? BM is typically done in the digital realm, not analog. The manual isn't clear.
BM is usually applied on the analog side, not the digital side. Sending the digital output to the processor usually means the processor will decode, apply DM, EQ, etc.

Analog outputs can be done strictly to a preamp directly, so the BM should be done in the player when decoding.

at least that's the way it has been done for some time.

AVholick

12-31-07, 02:28 PM

Are you sure that the player bass management can be applied to the analog outputs? BM is typically done in the digital realm, not analog. The manual isn't clear.

The BD10A bass management applies only to its 7.1 analog outs. BD10A has a setup page for setting the speaker sizes and time delay for 7.1 configuration. Its only limitation is it can only set one LPF cutoff frequency: 100Hz. In my setup, setting all 7 speakers to large was the best configuration. It didnt take away the bass from the SW. Setting the speakers to small made them sound tiny and the SW boomy. I guess Panny designed "small" setting for satellite speakers. I've seen and own other SD-DVD(+SACD+DVD-Audio) players with better bass management. The 10A's bass management features are acceptable.

ssabripo

12-31-07, 02:36 PM

The BD10A bass management applies only to its 7.1 analog outs. BD10A has a setup page for setting the speaker sizes and time delay for 7.1 configuration. Its only limitation is it can only set one LPF cutoff frequency: 100Hz. In my setup, setting all 7 speakers to large was the best configuration. It didnt take away the bass from the SW. Setting the speakers to small made them sound tiny and the SW boomy. I guess Panny designed "small" setting for satellite speakers. I've seen and own other SD-DVD(+SACD+DVD-Audio) players with better bass management. The 10A's bass management features are acceptable.

so when leaving it as large, you did not see a degradation of the bass out of the LFE?

man I hope you are right!

himey

12-31-07, 02:47 PM

The way I see it, the limitations on the BD10A BM besides the fixed 100hz Xover are no seperate delay settings for left and right on the rear and side speakers. And no delay for the sub.

rosros

12-31-07, 06:22 PM

Open box, store demos still qualify for the mail in 5 free blue ray rebate. Call BB rebate number and they will explain what needs to be done differently.

obxdiver

12-31-07, 07:37 PM

Open box, store demos still qualify for the mail in 5 free blue ray rebate. Call BB rebate number and they will explain what needs to be done differently.

Can you elaborate some on this issue. I am in this very boat. I bought a demo unit from BB w/o a box.
So I still have my rebate receipt but have not mailed it because I don't have the UPC cutout.
I even went to back to BB and asked the manager to initial the receipt and noted that "NO BOX" was available. He told me to mail it in and try.
They said that they can't do anything about the rebate of the 5 BD movies due to the lack of the box needed for the UPC cutout.
They basically told me I was SOL.
What do you do if there is no box with the sale of the player to get the 5 free BD movies?

Blu Camry SE

12-31-07, 07:37 PM

Can someone please confirm if the Panny '10A -- which cannot support Master Audio -- does or does not take some kind of "enhanced HD element" from the Master Audio tracks and decodes these over PCM?

There hasn't been a clear answer on this; are we just getting -- no matter if "DTS-HD" is set to, BITSTREAM or PCM -- the CORE DTS stream from Master Audio? :confused:

Blu Camry SE

12-31-07, 07:38 PM

What should the "BD MENU SOUNDS" or whatever it's called on the '10A be set to -- on or off? I was told somewhere that by keeping this function ON it somehow screws with the uncompressed/PCM audio from this player....is this true?

AVholick

12-31-07, 09:35 PM

so when leaving it as large, you did not see a degradation of the bass out of the LFE?

man I hope you are right!

To my ears it didnt degrade LFE. If it did, there is still an option to boost LFE by +10db or +20db within the BD10A audio setup menu. Besides, my receiver is also capable of adjusting the analog input levels, which I didnt have to change at all after replacing my old DVD+SACD+DVD-Audio player's analog connection with BD10A's.

smsprague

12-31-07, 10:31 PM

How do you boost the LFE on the BD10A by +10db or +20db? I find it low and can not figure out a way to fix it.

AVholick

12-31-07, 10:56 PM

How do you boost the LFE on the BD10A by +10db or +20db? I find it low and can not figure out a way to fix it.

My apologies, I verified BD10A's audio setup and it doesnt have LFE boost. My Denon receiver's audio setup has it. Since BD10A's LFE cannot be adjusted past 0db, my suggestion is to attenuate the other channels and leave the LFE at its maximum (0db) to have a boosted LFE effect (ie. if you are using BD10A's 7.1 analog outs).

AVholick

12-31-07, 10:58 PM

or increase the gain of your subwoofer

smsprague

12-31-07, 11:04 PM

I left the sub at 0 and decreased everything else, just hoping I missed something. Problem with increasing the gain on the subwoofer is that it is now increased for everything else.

oceansunfish

01-01-08, 12:35 AM

I own the Panny BD10AK and it is connected to my 1080p LCD via a single HMDI 1.3 cable. At this time, I am not using an expanded sound system (5:1 or greater) by choice as I am still undecided as to what to purchase.

When I play a bluray dvd such as "Planet Earth" or "Pirates..." etc. I have to increase the TV's volume to a level 30+ to hear dialogue or naration. When I view normal HDTV signals, the volume setting is normally 10 for adequate sound.

Is there normally this much disperaion between bluray operation and TV signals?

Per the manual and knowlegable dealer, I set the audio settings for 2-channel and tried all the PCM combinations too. I also got the same results when using the old red, white, yellow cables to the TV too. Bottom line, I eliminated the TV and cables as having problems.

I contacted Panasonic and I was told that this is normal and that audio is scattered all over the board depending on what level the audio was recorded for the movie. In other words, Panasonic said my player was fine.

I will eventually run the audio through a 'system' that is mostly discussed on this forum, but for the time being, I am a bit puzzled by the 2-channel sound, or lack thereof.

I appreciate any and all replies.

amirm

01-01-08, 12:44 AM

Hope it is Ok for me to chime in here :). I am doing a series of audio tests for HD DVD/BD (see http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=960826) and was trying to find a BD setup to handle DTS-HD-MA. This Panasonic was my best hope out of the 4 BD players I have but alas, no cigar. The player either decodes the lossy DTS core in DTS-HD-MA or outputs the same. It never outputs the bitstream for DTS-HD-MA despite having clear menu items implying the same. Same thing is true of TrueHD where it outputs the hidden DD track instead of TrueHD stream (or PCM of the same).

I have the Onkyo 805 and when I feed it with XA-2, it nicely lights up with DTS-master, etc. When driven by Penny, it either says DT or Multi-channel which if you push the display button, tells you is PCM audio decodec by the Penny.

So off to the store to buy a player that does output bitstream. Any recommendations?

My theory is that the "DTS-HD" description refers to the fact that 1.5 DTS (i.e., the full core) is being decoded and sent to the AVR. Technically, DTS@ 1.5 is "DTS-HD" (as opposed to DTS-HD HR or DTS-HD MA). It sounds so good because DTS at 1.5 is damn good. Recall how we all used to salivate over the nice 748 kps Superbit tracks? So, this is twice the datastream and thus sounds fantastic. I know an audio engineer who told me that with most setups in the average room (acoustically), the difference between DTS @1.5 and DTS-HD HR or MA will be negligible, except in the most stressful of scenes.

P.s. I just read bftv's post in the other thread - I would go with what he says. I have read his posts for years and he is very knowledgable. So, change the reference in my post above from DTS-HD to DTS-Encore and they match.

CraigCooper

01-01-08, 01:15 AM

amirm

01-01-08, 01:16 AM

Panasonic BD30. Best BD player by a lanslide.

Thanks Craig. Been reading the thread on that and it seems you are right!

CraigCooper

01-01-08, 01:18 AM

Thanks Craig. Been reading the thread on that and it seems you are right!

It's not often that I can help someone like you. You are most welcome :)

amirm

01-01-08, 01:19 AM

:).

Happy new year....

ssabripo

01-01-08, 09:42 AM

Lee Bailey

01-01-08, 09:53 AM

quick question, as I'm assembling my plasma stand and connecting everything before I try this player:

I currently have a Pioneer Elite Pro-1130 plasma, and it is a 768p display....it can accept inputs up to 1080i but not 1080p. Is there something special I have to do with the BD10A initially to tell it to output 1080i or 720p, instead of 1080p, so that my display can see it?

If you are using the HDMI connection, the player will work out the highest resolution automatically. Since you have a 768p display, you may want to force the HDMI to 720p, since your display would have to de-rez a 1080i signal. You can try 1080 or 720, and see which looks better.

ssabripo

01-01-08, 10:02 AM

If you are using the HDMI connection, the player will work out the highest resolution automatically. Since you have a 768p display, you may want to force the HDMI to 720p, since your display would have to de-rez a 1080i signal. You can try 1080 or 720, and see which looks better.
yeah, i was already planning on doing that.

my only concern was that the player would try to force 1080p via HDMI, but since it will automatically try to handshake, I should be good. thanks!:)

quad user

01-01-08, 11:24 AM

Panasonic BD30. Best BD player by a lanslide.

Not if you are using the analog inputs on your avr. And yes, the BD10A WILL decode TrueHD in the player.

CraigCooper

01-01-08, 02:07 PM

Not if you are using the analog inputs on your avr. And yes, the BD10A WILL decode TrueHD in the player.
Yeah that's true. But he was asking about a player that bitstreams the new audio codecs.

Blu Camry SE

01-02-08, 12:32 AM

Should this setting on the menu be ON or OFF?

I read somewhere that by keeping this ON, it somehow does something to the integrity of PCM sources....is this true?

shamus

01-02-08, 11:07 AM

Should this setting on the menu be ON or OFF?

I read somewhere that by keeping this ON, it somehow does something to the integrity of PCM sources....is this true?

Manual says leave it OFF.

Blu Camry SE

01-02-08, 08:46 PM

Manual says leave it OFF.

Where exactly does it say that in the manual, Shamus? I can't find it...

Also, can anyone confirm if leaving this function ON does something to the PCM audio through this player?

shamus

01-02-08, 11:48 PM

Where exactly does it say that in the manual, Shamus? I can't find it...

Also, can anyone confirm if leaving this function ON does something to the PCM audio through this player?

When “On” is selected, sampling frequency is
converted to 48kHz. Sound is output at higher than
48kHz sampling frequency only when both this item and
“PCM Down Conversion” are set to “Off”.
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/DMPBD10-MULTI.pdf
Page 22 of the online manual...

quad user

01-03-08, 10:40 AM

BM is usually applied on the analog side, not the digital side.

This is not correct for processing done in a player. When a digital output (coax, toslink or hdmi) is used to send a signal to an avr Dolby Digital and DTS processing in the player is done digitally. This includes both bass management and delay processing. No signal processing is done with the analog outputs. Only decoding in the case of Dolby, and PCM is a pass-through. Since most avr's are also designed to pass the analog signal without any processing, there may be bass management issues depending on how the source was encoded.

Blu Camry SE

01-04-08, 12:32 AM

http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/DMPBD10-MULTI.pdf
Page 22 of the online manual...

Thanks, Shamus; I, too, read that part of the manual -- but it doesn't actually say to "leave it off" as you suggested, that's why I was curious...

Plus, does anyone know what exactly this statement by Panasonic is saying by leaving this function on or off? Do we want the signals to be converted to a higher sampling frequency for PCM? :confused:

shamus

01-04-08, 12:40 AM

Thanks, Shamus; I, too, read that part of the manual -- but it doesn't actually say to "leave it off" as you suggested, that's why I was curious...

Plus, does anyone know what exactly this statement by Panasonic is saying by leaving this function on or off? Do we want the signals to be converted to a higher sampling frequency for PCM? :confused:

I read it as meaning you wont get anything higher than 48khz. So if you played something like Dave Mathews, 96 would be downconverted to 48.

Blu Camry SE

01-04-08, 01:17 AM

I read it as meaning you wont get anything higher than 48khz. So if you played something like Dave Mathews, 96 would be downconverted to 48.

Okay, so, keeping this "BD FUNCTION SOUND" setting to OFF would allow, somehow, more enhanced sound when playing some PCM mixes?

Donnie Eldridge

01-04-08, 08:08 AM

Okay, so, keeping this "BD FUNCTION SOUND" setting to OFF would allow, somehow, more enhanced sound when playing some PCM mixes?

You sure have a lot questions for someone whom is dumping this player for the BD30. jk :D

HarleyRider

01-04-08, 12:27 PM

Hi all. Been a member for awhile but have rarely posted. Just got my BD10A last Friday and am loving it. (It was this very post that convinced me to pick it over the BD30 and the Sony S300.)

Currently, I'm running it into a Sanyo PLV-Z2 projector over component. (Eventually I'll be upgrading to a 1080P projector, like the Z2000 or the Panny AE2000U.) But until I save up enough pennies to upgrade the pj, is there any advantage PQ-wise to running the video over HDMI versus component? I know I can't upscale SD DVD's unless I hook up HDMI, but for BD titles, would I see any noticeable improvement in PQ with HDMI over component? Keep in mind the native resolution of the Z2 is 1280X720.

(And my apologies if this has been asked before in this thread. It's 72 freakin' pages long. You don't expect me to read through the whole thing, do ya? ;) )

shamus

01-04-08, 12:32 PM

Lee Bailey

01-04-08, 01:51 PM

This is not correct for processing done in a player. When a digital output (coax, toslink or hdmi) is used to send a signal to an avr Dolby Digital and DTS processing in the player is done digitally. This includes both bass management and delay processing. No signal processing is done with the analog outputs. Only decoding in the case of Dolby, and PCM is a pass-through. Since most avr's are also designed to pass the analog signal without any processing, there may be bass management issues depending on how the source was encoded.

I believe you're incorrect. When the player decodes the DD or DTS track, it sends that down the 7.1 analog outs. The BM in the player is used then, since most AVRs do not implement BM through their 7.1 audio inputs.

When the player is sending a digital bitstream via coax or TOSLINK, it is the raw data, to be decoded by the AVR or other external processor, which then performs the BM.

Blu Camry SE

01-04-08, 07:59 PM

You sure have a lot questions for someone whom is dumping this player for the BD30. jk :D

Donnie,

As I indicated, I am not getting the 30 for some time due to financial reasons; I need to keep the '10A and use it to its best ability right now, unfortunately...so I need to optimum-ally run it....is that even a word???

At any rate, I have been so frustrated with these firmware updates and the soundtracks that can't be supported or passed bitstream or the PCM tracks that don't sound that loud....etc etc etc....that I am seriously contemplating selling the '10A for a good upconverting DVD player....

Any recommendations outside of the Oppos? :confused:

khellandros66

01-04-08, 08:08 PM

The Scaler in the Panny is fantastic IMO I would go HDMI, monoprice is dirt cheap and good quality...

~Bobby

nick2010

01-04-08, 10:42 PM

I left the sub at 0 and decreased everything else, just hoping I missed something. Problem with increasing the gain on the subwoofer is that it is now increased for everything else.

I tried to do this as a substitute for increasing the level of my subwoofer by 10 db, but the problem is that the front channels (left and right) can only be decreased by 6 db, not 10 db like all of the other channels. (The user manual confirms this) Since my receiver (the Pioneer VSX-92TXH) cannot add 10 db to the subwoofer like most others can, I had to manually make a new speaker settings preset. ( a "mcacc") Also, I have to change mcacc presets when I change inputs because the receiver can't lock a mcacc preset to a input.

Also, I noticed that when the player decoded the core DTS-ES (6.1) track from X-men: The Last Stand, it didn't duplicate the surround back channel into two channels for my 7.1 setup, so my s. b. right channel was not used and the s. b. left channel was used for the sixth channel. I had to force the receiver into somehow using Dolby PLIIx to make 7.1 channels. Is this problem caused by the receiver or the player? (Sometimes the receiver claimed to be using a 7.1 PCM track or 5.1 when it should have been a corrected 7.1 or unaltered 6.1 track.)

Blu Camry SE

01-05-08, 12:21 AM

smsprague

01-05-08, 09:41 AM

The speaker settings only affect the analog outputs.

ssabripo

01-05-08, 10:07 AM

Okay Guys...

I was just curious....all these discussions about the settings on the sub, etc. that's being discussed above....are these all for ONLY if you're using the '10A's ANALOG OUTS?

I am connected ONLY via HDMI in my setup, but I have zeroed out all values in the speaker setup menu of the '10A incase some kind of effect is happening even though I'm connected only digitally....I assumed my receiver was handling all the speaker-driving duties (delays and calibrations, too) being I am connected via HDMI; I couldn't even figure out how the heck the Panasonic's speaker setting values worked -- apparently, you can't go higher than 0dB and from there, you can only go negative in terms of values....

But does this menu only affect analog output?? :confused:
contrary to what Quad User suggests, the Bass Management features (distances, levels, etc) found in the BD10A -nay, any player for that matter- affects the ANALOG OUTPUT ONLY!

Using the HDMI or any digital transport, either via bitstream or xPCM, sends the raw digital io stream, and the processor on the SSP or AVR will perform the post processing (BM, EQ, etc).

you are fine. you need not to worry about the discussion above.

quad user

01-05-08, 10:55 AM

Yes that is correct for the BD10A and I should have stated that since this IS a BD10-10A thread. My bad. However, the BD10A is almost unique among players in this ability.

cmulder

01-05-08, 03:10 PM

How do the BD10 and 10A compare to the BD30? I have an Onkyo 605 received so the internal coding is not an issue?

cpc

01-05-08, 03:45 PM

How do the BD10 and 10A compare to the BD30? I have an Onkyo 605 received so the internal coding is not an issue?

Ditto, except for the internal decoding part. My receiver has no HD audio decoding. I still don't know how these Panasonic's compare to one another. What can they decode? What can they output over HDMI? And yes, I know there is no DTS-MA yet. Still, I want to know about DD True HD and DD+ as well as DTS-HR. Can these be output PCM over HDMI? Which players? Other differences? I guess everybody is more concerned with the Warner threads :p

joffer

01-05-08, 04:46 PM

How do the BD10 and 10A compare to the BD30? I have an Onkyo 605 received so the internal coding is not an issue?

correct, if you have the 605 you're better off with the BD-30.

joffer

01-05-08, 04:48 PM

Ditto, except for the internal decoding part. My receiver has no HD audio decoding. I still don't know how these Panasonic's compare to one another. What can they decode? What can they output over HDMI? And yes, I know there is no DTS-MA yet. Still, I want to know about DD True HD and DD+ as well as DTS-HR. Can these be output PCM over HDMI? Which players? Other differences? I guess everybody is more concerned with the Warner threads :p

if your AVR doesn't do any advance decoding, then you're better off with the BD-10A from strictly and audio perspective. it can decode Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Hig Res (but not Master Audio) and output it either over analog or HDMI.

cmulder

01-05-08, 06:41 PM

correct, if you have the 605 you're better off with the BD-30.

Except that Circuit City has the 10A for $399, so if they are all comparable, why am I better off with the BD-30? What does it do the the 10A doesn't do?

BAMAVADER

01-05-08, 09:41 PM

if they are all comparable, why am I better off with the BD-30? What does it do the the 10A doesn't do?

The BD-30 will bitstream the new audio codes (DD True HD, DD+, DTS-HD-MA) to your 605 so it can decode them and the 10A will not. The 10A has internal decoders in the player for the new HD audio codes (DD True HD, DD+, DTS-HD-HR not MA) and it sends them to the receiver as multichannel PCM. The BD-30 has no internal HD decoders to do this.

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:cool:

cpc

01-05-08, 09:43 PM

Except that Circuit City has the 10A for $399, so if they are all comparable, why am I better off with the BD-30? What does it do the the 10A doesn't do?

I guess the BD10 is better for me, but I'm still curious what the BD30 has that the 10 does not.

Can I output 1080i from the BD10? I have a DVDO VP50.

What profile is the BD10A or firmware updated BD10 and what does it mean to me?

nick2010

01-05-08, 10:16 PM

I guess the BD10 is better for me, but I'm still curious what the BD30 has that the 10 does not.

Can I output 1080i from the BD10? I have a DVDO VP50.

What profile is the BD10A or firmware updated BD10 and what does it mean to me?

The BD10 outputs 1080i, 720p, and 1080p.

The BD30 is a Final Standard Profile (aka Profile 1.1) player but the BD10/BD10A is not. It means that new interactive features are not usable in the BD10, but the main feature will still be playable.

Blu Camry SE

01-05-08, 11:10 PM

contrary to what Quad User suggests, the Bass Management features (distances, levels, etc) found in the BD10A -nay, any player for that matter- affects the ANALOG OUTPUT ONLY!

Using the HDMI or any digital transport, either via bitstream or xPCM, sends the raw digital io stream, and the processor on the SSP or AVR will perform the post processing (BM, EQ, etc).

you are fine. you need not to worry about the discussion above.

Thanks very much for the response; while indeed I was under this impression -- that the ANALOG OUT is the only affecting output for those speaker distances and such -- it's really weird that under the player's SPEAKER SETTINGS menu, where you can select 2 CHANNEL or MULTI CHANNEL, this setting affects the PCM tracks when it really shouldn't if you're connected digitally, like I am via HDMI....let me explain further....

The manual of the '10A suggests this: IF CONNECTED TO EQUIPMENT THAT CAN DECODE SURROUND FORMATS AND DO DISTANCES AND CALIBRATIONS, THEN SET THIS TO "2-CHANNEL"....IF CONNECTED TO EQUIPMENT THAT CANNOT DECODE FORMATS OR DO DISTANCES, ETC. THEN SET THIS TO "MULTI-CHANNEL"....this seems backwards because I AM connected, obviously, to a receiver that CAN decode formats and do distances (the Onkyo TX-SR605), and yet if I leave the Panasonic's SPEAKER SETTINGS on 2-CHANNEL as the manual suggests, the PCM tracks and uncompressed mixes don't play back correctly -- I get those weird DSP modes from the receiver when the player is set to 2-CHANNEL, so I leave it on MULTI-CHANNEL where then the receiver goes into MULTI-CHANNEL mode when playing PCM tracks, which I was told IS correct...but, if we're going by the manual, MULTI CHANNEL SPEAKER SETTING should not be used when connected to equipment that CAN do distances, delays, etc....

Can someone please make heads or tails with what this player is doing??? :confused::confused:

cpc

01-05-08, 11:25 PM

The BD10 outputs 1080i, 720p, and 1080p.

The BD30 is a Final Standard Profile (aka Profile 1.1) player but the BD10/BD10A is not. It means that new interactive features are not usable in the BD10, but the main feature will still be playable.

Ok, I'm not sure how important the 'interactive features' are to me yet. PIP and net connections aren't my bag. The main feature, with and without audio commentary and extra's, and as much HD audio as I can PCM over HDMI is all I care about. I wonder if the BD10 could be firmware upgraded to a newer profile, but frankly, all I care about for the most part is good video and as much HD audio as possible. Would be nice to get DTS-MA one day without dropping $1K to $2K.

fmalczewski

01-06-08, 09:27 AM

obxdiver

01-06-08, 10:44 AM

cpc

01-06-08, 12:28 PM

I think the 10/10A is pretty much done wrt its feature set. It cannot support any profile beyond profile 1.0 (not enough memory). It does not have enough processing power to decode DTS HD MA internally. It does not have HDMI 1.3 (so does not have the bandwidth to pass the most demanding audio formats directly to an external processor for decoding (e.g., DTS HD MA)).

(Only thing I don't recall reading in this thread is whether possibly it can be upgraded to support 1080p/24, but given that this machine's been available for a long time, I suspect it cannot.)

Ok, it still looks like the one for me for now. I can output 1080i to my VP50 and experiment with the DVDO for 24 fps. Bitstreamed HD codecs will be useless to me for a long time as I won't be upgrading my HDMI 1.1 receiver for a long time. Too bad about the lack of processing power. Here's hoping a newer Blu-Ray player will come out that decodes DTS-MA and doesn't cost $2K.

joffer

01-06-08, 12:33 PM

obxdiver

01-06-08, 01:14 PM

that's funny

I guess I take that as sarcasm because such a player is non-existent to date?
Would this be true?

RickPas

01-06-08, 03:24 PM

shamus

01-06-08, 03:31 PM

obxdiver

01-06-08, 05:14 PM

Is there any BD player out there that can do ALL of the following:
-Decode of the newest audio codecs internally, AND pass them via 7.1 analog outs with proper bass management and time delay adjustments?
-Output 1080p/24
-Pass the bitstream of the high bitrate audio (HBR) for all new HD audio codecs via HDMI with all channels active (more than 2-channel)
-BD 2.0 profile compilant

I think this one will do it
Panny BD50 (http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prModelDetail?storeId=11301&catalogId=13251&itemId=215165&modelNo=Content01052008065621607&surfModel=Content01052008065621607)

RickPas

01-06-08, 06:55 PM

Why dont you skip the player and pick up a new receiver since you already got the PS3.... but you still wont get DTS masters

This might be a dumb question, but does it matter if my tv has no HDMI? I always thought I needed HDMI on my tv and hdmi reciever....
So with a new reciever and my PS3 I will get Truehd and DDplus but no hdmaster audio..
thanks,
Rick

fuzzybk

01-06-08, 08:26 PM

Got a question, I have a ps3 and Toshiba HD DVD....
I'm seeing the writing on the wall, with HD DVD especially with the Warner announcement....
My problem No hdmi, so I'm component and analog 5.1 which works great with the HD DVD but if most titles begin to come out only on Blu ray then I'm looking at the Panny 10a as a replacement for my Toshiba...
Ok my question, I know I can get Dolby True HD and DTS hd high resolution with the Panny, but when I looked at some blu ray movies I have like Mr and Mrs smith it lists only Lossless HD master audio, so will most newer releases coming out be most likely only with Lossless Master audio and no other options for at least Dolby True HD and DDPlus....
So if I pick up the 10a will I benefit from the Dolby True HD and hd High resolution??
Thanks,
Rick

Yes, you will benefit Rick. I have the Panny DMP-BD10A and love it. Don't worry about the lack of DTS HD MA support with the 10A. By not decoding DTS HD MA, you will instead get the DTS 'core' signal at 1.5Mb/sec. This is full bandwidth DTS. I also have Mr and Mrs Smith and it sounds sweet with the DTS 'core'.

Having said all this, be sure to check out Panasonics's new Blu Ray player, the DMP-BD50. It will decode everything internally (including DTS HD MA) and pass it out via the 7.1 analog output. No release date or price has been anounced yet. Once their out, I'll be picking one up for sure.

cpc

01-06-08, 08:33 PM

Hmmmm.....BD50 eh? That looks interesting. That link says the 50 has internal decoding for True HD and DTS HD-Master Audio. I hope it has analog outputs and/or HDMI :)

If anybody sees this beast at CES..please verify whether it has HDMI, but check also if the unit has full 7.1 analog outputs so that older receiver owners may enjoy that internal HD audio decoding.

When can we expect the BD50 to hit the streets?

Blu Camry SE

01-06-08, 08:37 PM

Indeed, I am running a Panny '10A as well, and I am indeed mad as hell that this thing does not do Master Audio either over PCM or BITSTREAM...I want to upgrade to the BD30, or possibly now this 50, just so I can hear the MA streams over bitstream and see the Master Audio indicator light up on my receiver....but I simply can't do it yet financially. At any rate, it DOES bother me that I have to listen to these MA tracks as their core DTS -- even if they are full bitrate, but I do have to admit these tracks have the ability to sound very very good -- the Fantastic 4 Blu-rays playing their core DTS tracks from the MA stream sound okay, but Live Free or Die Hard produced wallops of bass from its core DTS track...pretty aggressive...

Munkeung

01-06-08, 10:21 PM

Blu Camry SE

01-08-08, 12:49 AM

You should have done a bit of research before you bought the 10A. I bought my 10A knowing it cannot and may never be able to do MA. I've a older but perfectly adequate Denon that does not handle HDMI. I got the 10A after the 30 came out with HDMI 1.3. Please, if you're not happy with the 10A, return it. Peace.

If you would have read any of my endless threads on these problems thoroughly, you would have discovered that I am past the time for returning this unit -- by months. As for the research, perhaps I should have; but due to misinformation by sales people and all kinds of other misleading meandering online about this unit, I was not aware of the bitstreaming problem until AFTER the purchase.

Blu Camry SE

01-08-08, 02:02 AM

This machine does something strange with non-anamorphic standard def DVDs and I was wondering if any other owners had any insight on it...

I unfortunately have many of these kinds of titles in my collection (thanks, Disney/Buena Vista :cool:) but some of them behave differently than others when I play them back on the '10A...let's take ARMAGEDDON, for example...when I play this, the '10A seems to automatically stretch the non-anamorphic image so the correct 2.35:1 ratio is displayed on my screen with the correct letterboxing -- as if I took a "STRETCH" mode of some kind, like you'd have to normally do with these discs, and stretched it to fill the screen better...I don't have to touch anything, it just zooms the image upon playback...a few other DVDs do this, too, like CON AIR, but some others, like MENACE II SOCIETY, make me go into the player's "4:3 MODE" menu and select the ZOOM function, and this was explained to me by someone else on another site once that this was because some non anamorphic DVDs are not encoded with the 4X3 flag, or something like that, so that's why I need to activate this player's ZOOM on the 4:3 mode, which DID in fact work -- I just don't understand why some non anamorphic discs automatically stretch by the machine, and some do not and require me to use that 4:3 ZOOM function....what would a widescreen non-anamorphic DVD have to do with a 4X3 aspect ratio at all?

Why is this function of the '10A -- the ZOOM 4:3 mode that is -- be controlling the zooming of non-anamorphic WIDESCREEN material?

ssabripo

01-08-08, 07:18 AM

blucamry,
why don't you sell the 10A then? it is still a very coveted player and you can get a good chunk of your money back, and then go for the 30 or upcoming 50 in the spring. It's really simple.

Munkeung

01-08-08, 08:54 AM

If you would have read any of my endless threads on these problems thoroughly, you would have discovered that I am past the time for returning this unit -- by months. As for the research, perhaps I should have; but due to misinformation by sales people and all kinds of other misleading meandering online about this unit, I was not aware of the bitstreaming problem until AFTER the purchase.

The 10A is not perfect. It does not upscale DVD as well as my much cheaper A2. It does not decode MA and it does not output 24fps (my A2 can't do them either). But then, it has played every DVD or BD I threw at it and the HDMI connection never failed me. The 7.1 analog out (actually I've never experience real discrete 7.1 from this player, I've yet to play a BD with a real 7.1 PCM, don't know if it even exists) sounds great and I don't need to upgrade my 3 year old receiver. I could ask for more but I'm really happy with it. All the 'professional' comparison I've read show that 10A does not have the best PQ (nor the worst) but without direct comparison, I could never tell.

I understand that the 10A is not up to your expectation and I respect that. The problem is I think Panasonic most likely will not release firmware to improve the functionality of this machine. With the declining fortune of HD-DVD, I suppose more people will be looking for a reliable BD player and the 10A should have a decent resale market.

Good luck.:cool:

m@rkus

01-08-08, 09:00 AM

wase4711

01-08-08, 09:08 AM

drbonbi

01-08-08, 09:34 AM

It's not an original thought. But, the only way to be poised on the cutting edge of consumer technology is -- to not buy anything. As soon as you buy any Blu-ray player, you are frozen in time. There's always something bigger and better just around the corner. It's inevitable.

Having said that, I love my BD10 Blu-ray player. Now if there were more and better Blu-ray titles...

Dana

Lee Bailey

01-08-08, 12:14 PM

Open box, store demos still qualify for the mail in 5 free blue ray rebate. Call BB rebate number and they will explain what needs to be done differently.

I just got my 5 movies yesterday from my store demo BD10! Sent them in around the end of November!:D

Blu Camry SE

01-08-08, 08:51 PM

blucamry,
why don't you sell the 10A then? it is still a very coveted player and you can get a good chunk of your money back, and then go for the 30 or upcoming 50 in the spring. It's really simple.

But sell it to who? I have been trying with flyers around my apartment complex and even ads online and get no bites; I would sell it in a heartbeat for the new 30 or 50, but cannot take the loss right now, financially.

Blu Camry SE

01-08-08, 08:56 PM

The 10A is not perfect.

At least we got someone else to agree on this....sheeesh.....

It does not upscale DVD as well as my much cheaper A2.

I would agree totally that it does not upscale well at all, but if you listen to some '10A owners, they believe the DVDs they play on it look absolutely fantastic and tell me I "don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about..." when, honestly, something is off with that statement because here you are, another person, who admits the thing doesn't upscale as well as your A2...

It does not decode MA and it does not output 24fps (my A2 can't do them either). But then, it has played every DVD or BD I threw at it and the HDMI connection never failed me. The 7.1 analog out (actually I've never experience real discrete 7.1 from this player, I've yet to play a BD with a real 7.1 PCM, don't know if it even exists) sounds great and I don't need to upgrade my 3 year old receiver. I could ask for more but I'm really happy with it. All the 'professional' comparison I've read show that 10A does not have the best PQ (nor the worst) but without direct comparison, I could never tell.

Okay and completely understandable....all I was saying was I am dissapointed by the fact that one I didn't do the necessary homework on this and two I was mislead by sales staff who claimed "Sure! Hook this thing up to your receiver and you're good to go! All formats covered!!"

I understand that the 10A is not up to your expectation and I respect that. The problem is I think Panasonic most likely will not release firmware to improve the functionality of this machine. With the declining fortune of HD-DVD, I suppose more people will be looking for a reliable BD player and the 10A should have a decent resale market.

I hope so, because I'm having trouble unloading the machine as of now, and it's pretty much brand new, still with all original packaging and materials. Indeed, this seems to be the end of Panasonic's attempts at updates for this machine with their two new generation decks on the horizon now; I suppose I'll just have to hold out for one of those if I can ever afford it.

Thanks for the chat.

Blu Camry SE

01-08-08, 09:00 PM

Seriously - stop complaining about the player. It has it's limitations and no amount of arguing or stomping your feet is going to change the fact that the player cannot do DTS-HD MA. Get over it.

For the majority of owners on this thread, the BD10a is a fantastic player and is the ONLY player in the market currently that allows us to enjoy the majority of Hi-rez audio soundtracks properly via analog outputs. It has been a bulletproof player for me and lacks any of the problems found on the players released to date by Samsung, Sony Sharp etc.

Oh Jesus Christ, would you cut it already? I am not "stomping my feet" and declaring the end of the world is near because this thing cannot do Master Audio support -- all I'm saying -- and the last time I checked, this was a home theater audio/video hobbyist discussion forum -- is that it is gravely dissapointing that I purchased this unit and then learned of its shortcomings for MY particular needs -- now, all the other members in here who love their '10A for meeting THEIR specific needs, that's PERFECTLY FINE and I wish them the best...all I am saying is that for ME, this machine was not the wise decision, as I should have waited for the next generation (well, i.e. the 30 or now 50).

Blu Camry SE

01-08-08, 09:01 PM

Couldn't agree more...I LOVE this player, how it renders ALL audio, and I have no plans whatsoever to replace this unit at this point..How many DTS-MA titles are there out there anyway? Isn't it still too early to make that a big part of your decision?

Well, I have at least three very good titles in my small BD collection which sport Master Audio tracks, and I REALLY want to hear their resolution bitstreamed over to my receiver.

wase4711

01-08-08, 09:08 PM

yeah, I guess I would probably want to at least hear how it sounded too..
and, I agree with you about how the DVD upscaling is not very impressive on this machine.

Blu Camry SE

01-08-08, 09:18 PM

yeah, I guess I would probably want to at least hear how it sounded too..
and, I agree with you about how the DVD upscaling is not very impressive on this machine.

Glad to see someone else agrees with me on the '10A's upscaling problems; can I ask what kind of abnormalities you are seeing with DVDs played on your '10A?

cpc

01-08-08, 09:32 PM

A Toshiba A2 has 1080i output max. I thought 1080i looked great on my Epson TW1000...but then again, I will use a VP50 for 1080i>1080p anyhow regardless of HD-DVD or Blu-Ray.

Blu Camry SE

01-08-08, 09:44 PM

A Toshiba A2 has 1080i output max. I thought 1080i looked great on my Epson TW1000...but then again, I will use a VP50 for 1080i>1080p anyhow regardless of HD-DVD or Blu-Ray.

But doesn't 1080i for standard DVD still mean it's being upconverted?

Marching Chiefs

01-08-08, 09:49 PM

The 7.1 analog out (actually I've never experience real discrete 7.1 from this player, I've yet to play a BD with a real 7.1 PCM, don't know if it even exists) sounds great and I don't need to upgrade my 3 year old receiver. I could ask for more but I'm really happy with it. All the 'professional' comparison I've read show that 10A does not have the best PQ (nor the worst) but without direct comparison, I could never tell.

If you want to try out the 7.1, pick up Rush Hour 3 (New Line-DTS-MA 7.1), War (Lionsgate-7.1 PCM 48kHz/24bit), and 3:10 to Yuma (Lionsgate-ditto). Though you'll only get the core from RH3, War is absolutely stunning in 7.1. To compare, watching POTC:COTBP (which has a very nice, damn near perfect mix) after this title was only slightly anticlimactic...have not had a chance to see 3:10 yet, but early indications are that it is on par with War. Hooray for 7.1!!!!

Marching Chiefs

01-08-08, 09:53 PM

Oh Jesus Christ, would you cut it already? I am not "stomping my feet" and declaring the end of the world is near because this thing cannot do Master Audio support -- all I'm saying -- and the last time I checked, this was a home theater audio/video hobbyist discussion forum -- is that it is gravely dissapointing that I purchased this unit and then learned of its shortcomings for MY particular needs -- now, all the other members in here who love their '10A for meeting THEIR specific needs, that's PERFECTLY FINE and I wish them the best...all I am saying is that for ME, this machine was not the wise decision, as I should have waited for the next generation (well, i.e. the 30 or now 50).

I got taken in as well by the "all formats supported" bit...back when the distinction between DTS-HD and DTS-HD MA was not as clear because, well, there were no titles with it. oops.

I know I'm missing out on some stuff, but...well, I am very happy with just the core, because it sounds great. As soon as I get some extra cash, though...that BD50 is looking especially tempting with its internal decoding. Best of luck to you in your search...

Munkeung

01-08-08, 09:54 PM

If you want to try out the 7.1, pick up Rush Hour 3 (New Line-DTS-MA 7.1), War (Lionsgate-7.1 PCM 48kHz/24bit), and 3:10 to Yuma (Lionsgate-ditto). Though you'll only get the core from RH3, War is absolutely stunning in 7.1. To compare, watching POTC:COTBP (which has a very nice, damn near perfect mix) after this title was only slightly anticlimactic...have not had a chance to see 3:10 yet, but early indications are that it is on par with War. Hooray for 7.1!!!!

Thanks. I never cared for the Rush Hours. Unfortunately, last time I checked, all others you mentioned are 'long wait' in my Netflix queue.:(

Marching Chiefs

01-08-08, 10:02 PM

cpc

01-08-08, 10:24 PM

But doesn't 1080i for standard DVD still mean it's being upconverted?

Actually, I cannot recall if the A2 upscales dvd to 1080i or is it restricted to 480i/p. I think it does 1080i over component, but not sure about SD-DVD's. Anyhow, when I mentioned how 1080i looked on the Epson 1080 I was talking about HD-DVD's. :D

CraigCooper

01-08-08, 11:42 PM

Actually, I cannot recall if the A2 upscales dvd to 1080i or is it restricted to 480i/p. I think it does 1080i over component, but not sure about SD-DVD's. Anyhow, when I mentioned how 1080i looked on the Epson 1080 I was talking about HD-DVD's. :D

I'm pretty sure you are limited to 480i/p using component using SD disks. HD-Dvd will run at 1080i over component. I know I am with my XA2. HDMI will get you 1080i unless it is flagged on the disk itself.

wldchld22

01-08-08, 11:53 PM

fmalczewski

01-08-08, 11:59 PM

Munkeung

01-09-08, 08:20 AM

Splurge:D. 3:10 has a crazy high rating on rottentomatoes. Last time I checked, it was like a 92. BTW, War is either "hate it or love it." As a movie, it got some terrible reviews, but the audio is rockin'!

For me, it's either Netflix or Amazon BOGO for HDM. I can't see paying ~28 for a video.:mad: Unfortunately, I think recent development may not bode well for Blu Ray BOGO deals.:(

wase4711

01-09-08, 08:37 AM

Glad to see someone else agrees with me on the '10A's upscaling problems; can I ask what kind of abnormalities you are seeing with DVDs played on your '10A?

well, my son got the new Harry Potter movie for xmas, and while watching it, I saw lots of fuzziness and a very soft picture..I have only been watching Blu-Ray discs for the last few weeks, and i REALLY noticed the difference watching this movie; i put about 4 others on afterwards, and noticed the same thing..
I think alot of it has to do with what you get used to..If I hadnt been watching Blu Ray discs exclusively lately, it might not have bothered me, but now that I have noticed it, my eyes seem to be "looking" for poor PQ on all reg DVD's now...sort of like the seeing the "DLP" effect that some people are annoyed with whe they buy a DLP TV..

Munkeung

01-09-08, 09:08 AM

well, my son got the new Harry Potter movie for xmas, and while watching it, I saw lots of fuzziness and a very soft picture..I have only been watching Blu-Ray discs for the last few weeks, and i REALLY noticed the difference watching this movie; i put about 4 others on afterwards, and noticed the same thing..
I think alot of it has to do with what you get used to..If I hadnt been watching Blu Ray discs exclusively lately, it might not have bothered me, but now that I have noticed it, my eyes seem to be "looking" for poor PQ on all reg DVD's now...sort of like the seeing the "DLP" effect that some people are annoyed with whe they buy a DLP TV..

I've always been a little suspect of 'upscaling'. I bought the Zenith DVB318, which was the first, probably still only player than can upscale to 1080i through component. Even though I ended up buying a 2nd one I never felt the upscaled image was better than my Denon DVD player. The process of upscaling can't really make the image 'sharper' in most cases, I think. Of course, other video processing may come into the picture. Hometheaterhifi website has an article on upscaling and some images related to upscaling discrete narrow vertical lines from 480 to 720 and to 1080. You can see clearly why upscaling can't really help much in some cases, and may actually make it look worse. Once one get used to the image from HDM, it's hard to go back. The actual video information in the image really counts, not those interpolated ones.

BAMAVADER

01-09-08, 02:38 PM

My DMP10A vibrates when inserting Disc 1 of Blade Runner. What could cause that?

It's rather loud too. Doesn't do it with Disc 3.

Mine did this with Die Hard 4. What is causing this? I took my 10A back because of this. What is a "disc being out of balance" exactly mean? What causes this?

thanks...

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:cool:

Lee Bailey

01-09-08, 02:45 PM

Mine did this with Die Hard 4. What is causing this? I took my 10A back because of this. What is a "disc being out of balance" exactly mean? What causes this?

thanks...

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:cool:

If the center hole is offset by a very small margin, or there is some area of the DVD itself where the thickness of the DVD is different, it can cause an imbalance, hence vibration. Caused by the manufacturing of the DVD, and what tolerances the manufacturer are held to.

quad user

01-09-08, 03:29 PM

Does anyone know what the DAC maker and chip number is for the BD10A?

BAMAVADER

01-09-08, 03:35 PM

If the center hole is offset by a very small margin, or there is some area of the DVD itself where the thickness of the DVD is different, it can cause an imbalance, hence vibration. Caused by the manufacturing of the DVD, and what tolerances the manufacturer are held to.

thanks...

m@rkus

01-09-08, 05:51 PM

quad user

01-09-08, 09:15 PM

Blu Camry SE - I appreciate that this player is not for you, but you DO come across as someone "stomping their feet" simply by the number of posts and threads you have posted stating your dissatisfaction.

OMG you got that right... 232 posts since he joined on 12/23/07! No sh*t check his profile. Most all are rambling laments about the BD10A. I bet he drives the Toyota mechanics crazy... "Why can't I shift into 6th gear?" "Because Sir, your Camry is only a 5 speed".:D:D:D

Donnie Eldridge

01-10-08, 09:35 PM

Glad to see someone else agrees with me on the '10A's upscaling problems; can I ask what kind of abnormalities you are seeing with DVDs played on your '10A?

Blu....based upon the fact the BD10 is pretty much sold out everywhere. I bet if you listed it for sale on this forum that it wouldn't last an hour......Just food for thought. :)

Pan30

01-11-08, 02:09 AM

so i got a great deal on an open box one of these from best buy. $200 plus the 5 free movies in store and another 5 through the mail!

but an issue. I have the original remote, I connected it with hdmi and got no picture. I then connected with composite, yellow, and tried to set up the menu. I set component to output at 1080i but when I connected those all i got was 480i. Yes i disconnected the composite each time I switched to a high def cable.

Unlike the samsung, it has no button on the front or the remote that can choose the different outputs. Any clues or help would be greatly appreciated!

Not sure if this is the same issue I had, but using the HDMI connection from my (BD30) player initially showed no picture -- an issue I'd noticed in another Panasonic forum after testing a separate BD10 had similar results -- and was quite relieved to find some solutions: I had to use an analog video cable to navigate the setup and switch HDMI's resolution from "Auto" to "1080i" because my TV can't handle 1080p (perhaps the player thought it could because my HDMI 1.3a receiver connects them?).

Also, try switching the HDMI Video Mode to "Off" to get 1080i over component cable; and even though it's set to 1080i, make sure the separate "Display" menu's Video setting is at Progressive "On". By the way, it's a good idea to keep an analog video cable plugged into the player -- if I leave a disc unattended in the powered-up unit for a while, it sometimes reverts to "Auto", and navigating blind through the setup menu is not always a fun game of memory.

ssabripo

01-11-08, 09:44 AM

quad user

01-11-08, 10:02 AM

obxdiver

01-11-08, 10:08 AM

What will this player do if we insert a BD profile 1.1 or 2.0 disk?
Will it still play the main feature?

Correct me if I am wrong, that the BD10 is only BD profile 1.0...yes?

Will this player become a brick after 2.0 BD disks are common place?

shamus

01-11-08, 10:15 AM

obxdiver

01-11-08, 12:01 PM

ssabripo

01-11-08, 12:21 PM

I think it is best to set all speakers to small, so that all bass is sent to the sub.
I have huge front speakers (see sig) and I still run them as small.
I have an 18" velodyne sub that takes care of ALL bass.
I have the BD10 also, and I tried setting them to large in the player, but my bass was lacking. Setting them to small, and let the Panny do the bass managment, and you will hear your bass.

i thought the Panny has a fixed 100hz XO setting though, when you set your speakers to small? Also, wasn't there someone who posted a few pages ago that setting them to large did not take away from bass going to the sub?

I'm not too worry about bass, as I probably have more bass than anyone here, but want to make sure the settings are correct.

Do you have all large speakers?
yes....see my sig for setup

Audio needs to be set to PCM for analog...
so everything should be set to PCM?:confused:.........I don't get how that will affect analog outputs, since the PCM/bitstream only affect the digital domain, but i'll try it.

smsprague

01-11-08, 12:29 PM

I don't think the Audio setting has anything to do with the Analog Outs, it only affects HDMI and Optical. PCM always comes out of the Analogs.

cpc

01-11-08, 12:38 PM

well this sucks....I tried a few BR movies with DTS-HD, DTS-MA (core of course), and the bass sounded pretty weak! :confused:

I double checked my settings and have all the speakers as full range, lowered everything by 4dB except the sub, and still.

i wonder if I'm missing somethings....all the audio is set to "bitstream", but that shouldn't matter since I'm going analog out.

I guess raising the volume on the actual subwoofer itself doesn't provide a great solution, plus it also change all other setups. Don't most receivers allow you to turn up the subwoofer output level? Is there no fix for this?

quad user

01-11-08, 12:49 PM

I guess raising the volume on the actual subwoofer itself doesn't provide a great solution, plus it also change all other setups. Don't most receivers allow you to turn up the subwoofer output level? Is there no fix for this?

If most receivers are like mine the analog inputs have no signal processing. The signal processing must be done in the player or in an outboard device like the Outlaw ICBM.

ssabripo

01-11-08, 01:37 PM

can anyone confirm whether or not setting the speakers to small sets the crossover at the fixed 100hz point?

quad user

01-11-08, 03:19 PM

can anyone confirm whether or not setting the speakers to small sets the crossover at the fixed 100hz point?

That's what the manual says.

obxdiver

01-11-08, 04:12 PM

so everything should be set to PCM?:confused:
I have ALL of the audio formats in the Panny setup menu set to PCM.
And all of my speakers are set to small.
I only use the analog outputs.
My processor does NO processing on the analog inputs.
Have you tried this yet?
I think you will hear a huge difference in the bass response.
No full range speaker is going to produce bass like a powered sub will.

HarleyRider

01-11-08, 04:36 PM

Audio needs to be set to PCM for analog...

It doesn't matter if it's set to Bitstream or PCM if you're using the 7.1 analog outs. Keyword being "analog." The PCM/Bitsream setting only affects what is being sent out the optical and digital coax outputs. Bitsream if you want your AV receiver to decode, PCM if you want the BD10A to decode. PCM is still digital, so it only flows out through the digital outs.

ssabripo

01-11-08, 06:35 PM

obxdiver

01-11-08, 06:56 PM

yes steve...i've tried that and same result. i have to crank up the subwoofers manually and then things look much better, but it's a pain in the ass to keep doing that when watching BR, and then put it back when watching dvd's or Tv

I understand your frustrations. I guess every system reacts differently. I am pretty happy with mine set to small. I do wish that the crossover was at 80Hz instead of 100Hz. I wish they would have made that a choice in the menu.
I am watching the Dave Matthews/Tim Reynolds BD disk right now in Dolby THD and the PQ & AQ are astonishing.
A definite reference quality presentation.

m@rkus

01-11-08, 07:25 PM

yes steve...i've tried that and same result. i have to crank up the subwoofers manually and then things look much better, but it's a pain in the ass to keep doing that when watching BR, and then put it back when watching dvd's or Tv

Strange - I have my front 3 speakers set to large and my surrounds to small and have no issues with LFE / sub at all. Plenty of output.

Did you set HDMI Audio to off? I found this made a big difference for some reason.

ssabripo

01-11-08, 08:19 PM

Did you set HDMI Audio to off? I found this made a big difference for some reason.

no...i haven't tried that! let me take a look....

thebland

01-11-08, 09:35 PM

So, is the BD-10 effected by this Panny LFE 'bug'?? (popularized in BD30)

-4 db LFE... I may not notice..but I'd like to know.. I keep my sub levels hot anyways....:D

shamus

01-11-08, 10:47 PM

So, is the BD-10 effected by this Panny LFE 'bug'?? (popularized in BD30)

-4 db LFE... I may not notice..but I'd like to know.. I keep my sub levels hot anyways....:D
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=844899&highlight=lfe
Remember this thread? No one believed me.:(

Everyone who was made aware of the BD30 knows the problem affects the BD10 also. So if they are able to fix it, ours will be fixed too.

Jeff, with your higher end processor, you may have an option of increasing only the LFE.
Nevermind. Your LFE only goes from -10 to 0.

DrDon

01-12-08, 05:58 AM

Off topic and member bashing posts removed.

SimpleTheater

01-12-08, 06:19 AM

I have ALL of the audio formats in the Panny setup menu set to PCM.
And all of my speakers are set to small.
I only use the analog outputs.
My processor does NO processing on the analog inputs.
Have you tried this yet?
I think you will hear a huge difference in the bass response.
No full range speaker is going to produce bass like a powered sub will.
For almost a year now, I've chalked up this difference to my A/V receiver - assuming my two-channel signals (CD's, IPod) just weren't designed for a real subwoofer, so my NAD was artificially increasing LFE output. So, for music, I just turned off LFE (hey, never had a sub when I was 15 listening to music, why use one now). TV didn't bother me because I watch sports w/friends - so volume is set pretty low.

After reading these responses I took the sub-heavy intro to POTC-Dead Man's Chest (on SD-DVD) and simply switched between optical output and PCM via analog. The difference was extremely annoying. In fact, once I calibrated using internal decoding over analogs, I put the disc in and enjoyed listening to the waves crashing against the ship/shore. Then I switched to optical and let my NAD do the decoding - and it was so obtrusively loud that the scene was unenjoyable - any amateur could tell that the sub level was set too high.

I would like to have this fixed. Keep us posted. Panasonic has been great supporting the BD-10 up till now.

av_fan

01-12-08, 01:18 PM

I have a DMP-BD10a with FW 2.4. While watching
Cars on Blu-Ray, there was a "near" freeze towards the
middle of the movie (about 1 hr in). It looked like
the player stopped/crashed, playback stoppped for about
1/2 a second, then picked back up, then finished without
problems.

I did a search on this thread, found a few discussions
about this happening on rental discs. Car was brand
new right out of the package.

This happened to me once or twice before. I think
one was the new Die Hard movie (Netflix rental on SD-DVD),
and the other was Fantastic 4 Blu-Ray(new - but at FW 2.2).

Has anyone experienced this?

On a different note, Cars started with a disclaimer
that it could take a few minutes to load up.
It loaded up quite fast, about half the time
my XA2 takes to open the disc drawer :)

cpc

01-12-08, 05:35 PM