Please only post info regarding setup, tweaks, settings, and updates here. Please make a separate thread if you wish to compare features or performance with other BD players.

I'll start it with instructions for checking your firmware version:

Follow the steps below to check the firmware version currently installed in your Panasonic BD player.

1. Steps Turn on the main unit.
2. Press the [SETUP] button on the remote control to open the display menu screen.
3. Using the Up and Down cursor buttons on the remote control, select the "DISPLAY" tab - "DISPLAY" items will appear.
4. Press and hold the "STATUS" button on the remote control. While doing so, the current firmware version for your player will be displayed in the lower right hand corner of the screen (e.g. "1.0") .

Go here:
http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/bd/download/bd10/index.html

to check for the latest version update and to download it if needed.

Has anyone experimented with the speaker settings (small/large) in the Panasonic settings? I assume it makes sense for them to match your settings with your receiver, but it also occurred to me that it might make sense to set them all to large and let the A/V receiver handle it from there. Any thoughts?

Has anyone experimented with the speaker settings (small/large) in the Panasonic settings? I assume it makes sense for them to match your settings with your receiver, but it also occurred to me that it might make sense to set them all to large and let the A/V receiver handle it from there. Any thoughts?

If you have small satellites and set to large, I have found *(just by playing around with the various settings) that you may be missing sound information and loss of mid-range/bass.

Has anyone experimented with the speaker settings (small/large) in the Panasonic settings? I assume it makes sense for them to match your settings with your receiver, but it also occurred to me that it might make sense to set them all to large and let the A/V receiver handle it from there. Any thoughts?

First, thanks for setting up this thread :)

I have only done my small / large comparisons with analog outs. By setting the speakers in the Panny to large, I believe that would then pass all frequencies to the receiver and not clip anything below 100HZ. I would rather send that to the receiver and let it do the processing. That way, if I wanted to feed lower frequencies to my speakers, I could.

If you have small satellites and set to large, I have found *(just by playing around with the various settings) that you may be missing sound information and loss of mid-range/bass.

calvin c,
I totally agree with you. If the small speakers can not handle the lower frequencies it will be lost. And that is why the manual says to set them to small if they are not capable of handling freqs below 100HZ.

PS. I would like to stay here and discuss, but I have to go out and mow 3 acres. But I will be back :)

One thing I noticed is that the "auto" setting doesn't work correctly in the audio area. It is supposed to automatically set the resolution to the best for your display, and yet I noticed it is set at 1080i....My display is 720P. I just went ahead and manually set it to 720p and now it's matched to my native resolution and the picture looks better... :)

One thing I noticed is that the "auto" setting doesn't work correctly in the audio area. It is supposed to automatically set the resolution to the best for your display, and yet I noticed it is set at 1080i....My display is 720P. I just went ahead and manually set it to 720p and now it's matched to my native resolution and the picture looks better... :)AUTO means it'll match the highest resolution your TV is capable of accepting, not your TV's native resolution.

AUTO means it'll match the highest resolution your TV is capable of accepting, not your TV's native resolution. That's not what the manual said... :) I don't have it handy, but I could have swore it said that "auto" would automatically set it to "the Best" resolution... :)

That's not what the manual said... :) I don't have it handy, but I could have swore it said that "auto" would automatically set it to "the Best" resolution... :)

From the manual, "Auto - Automatically selects the output resolution best suited to the connected television (1080p, 1080i, 720p or 480p)".

So is everyone in agreement with this from the other thread for digital audio feed settings:

PCM Down Conversion: Off
DD: Bitstream
DD Plus: Bitstream
DTS: Bitstream

So is everyone in agreement with this from the other thread for digital audio feed settings:

PCM Down Conversion: Off
DD: Bitstream
DD Plus: Bitstream
DTS: Bitstream

That is what I have mine set to; using analog outs for BD and optical if I play DTS-ES and DD EX titles w/SD.

I am wondering why in the manual they chose PCM as the default for DD+ instead of Bitstream. I am not disagreeing with setting it to Bitstream, just wondering why.

I am wondering why in the manual they chose PCM as the default for DD+ instead of Bitstream. I am not disagreeing with setting it to Bitstream, just wondering why.

Yes-that is a good question too.

Guys, correct me if I missed something, but DD+ can't be decoded by receivers until we get HDMI 1.3, so you have to set it to PCM if you want to hear DD+. Or am I way off?

I know Wiki's not definitive, but this is what I found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Digital_Plus

I was thinking that might be it. Thanks.

I know Wiki's not definitive, but this is what I found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Digital_Plus

13.1 channels :eek: That's a lot of speakers.

From the manual, "Auto - Automatically selects the output resolution best suited to the connected television (1080p, 1080i, 720p or 480p)".

Thank you...which brings me back to my original statement...The unit does not do this. If it was working it would set mine to 720P... :)

If your TV accepts 1080i, the player will automatically select 1080i, even though the native res. is 720p. My Panasonic automatically outputs 1080p because my TV is 1080p.

If your TV accepts 1080i, the player will automatically select 1080i, even though the native res. is 720p. My Panasonic automatically outputs 1080p because my TV is 1080p.

So if his TV accepts 1080i and then converts it to 720p (the native resolution), the Panny will detect 1080i as the highest resolution and send the output at 1080i. In the case of 720p sets, it might be best to set the Panny to 720p to avoid the additional conversion.

In my case, the highest input resolution of my Qualia 006 is 1080i. It then upconverts it internally to 1080p. The Panny sees the Q as 1080i.

divedude, exactly right. The Panasonic auto selects the highest resolution possible, not necessarily the one that best matches your TV's native resolution. And it's not a defect or flaw in the player, either. I previously had a Sony upconverting DVD player that would output 1080i on AUTO even though it was connected to the Mitsubishi 720p DLP I had at the time. I could see no difference in PQ whenever I switched to 720p mode in the DVD player.

So is everyone in agreement with this from the other thread for digital audio feed settings:

PCM Down Conversion: Off
DD: Bitstream
DD Plus: PCM
DTS: Bitstream
I've changed these to reflect what we think are the correct settings.

Has anyone compared the HDMI audio to the analog audio? In my opinion, analog sounds better than optical, but what about HDMI through the receiver?

Thank you...which brings me back to my original statement...The unit does not do this. If it was working it would set mine to 720P... :)
chukken,
Instead of automatically saying that the player is doing something wrong, think about the possibilities. The Panasonic player is probably programmed to send your TV the max resolution it will accept and allow your display to scale it down to 720p. It's impossible to know whether the player or your display will do a better job converting the 1080i info to 720p for output on your display.

You should try both and see if you like one better. You have a tendency to be a bit of an alarmist on these things. :)

PS--Perhaps you should buy a Playstation. It wouldn't allow me to output 1080i and locked in on the 720p on my display. I wanted the option to see if the 1080i would be any better.

Has anyone compared the HDMI audio to the analog audio? In my opinion, analog sounds better than optical, but what about HDMI through the receiver?
HDMI in theory should be the best but is still too new and not every device plays well with others. Not all receivers can accept 5.1 PCM or a 1080p signal via HDMI, but if yours can than thats the best way to go.

chukken,
Instead of automatically saying that the player is doing something wrong, think about the possibilities. The Panasonic player is probably programmed to send your TV the max resolution it will accept and allow your display to scale it down to 720p. It's impossible to know whether the player or your display will do a better job converting the 1080i info to 720p for output on your display.

You should try both and see if you like one better. You have a tendency to be a bit of an alarmist on these things. :)

PS--Perhaps you should buy a Playstation. It wouldn't allow me to output 1080i and locked in on the 720p on my display. I wanted the option to see if the 1080i would be any better.

Actually, I never said it was doing anything wrong, I simply said it was not doing what it was supposed to do, which was automatically set the resolution to 720P. During the handshake it should know my projector is 720P, so I don't see any reason why it would not output 720P...It's not a big deal to me cause I simply manually set it to 720P which does look better, Perhaps I'll call Panasonic Monday and find out the real deal. I am not an alarmist, I simply expect it to do what the manual claims it should do... :) If it did what it was designed to do, well, then why does the customer have to manually set it to their native scan rate?...Doesn't make much sense to me.... :) Not much of an "auto" if you ask me... :)

So is everyone in agreement with this from the other thread for digital audio feed settings:

PCM Down Conversion: Off
DD: Bitstream
DD Plus: Bitstream
DTS: Bitstream

Why wouldn't you want to just have the player decode everything to PCM?

Why wouldn't you want to just have the player decode everything to PCM?

I was just posting a question about what was on the other thread. I believe what the manual shows as defaults and what jacksonian posted is correct. That is the way I have mine set.

PCM Down Conversion: Off
DD: Bitstream
DD Plus: PCM
DTS: Bitstream

The manual says "If Bitstream is selected, the bitstream is output from the unit and the connected equipment decodes the signal. If PCM is selected, this unit decodes the signal and outputs it as 2 channel from the Digital Audio Out terminal." (22)

In my HDMI menu, the Video level is greyed out - i.e. I can't select Normal o Enhanced when using HDMI video.
Is this normal?
I have my Panny hooked to a Denon 4806 passthrough and a Mitsubishi HC 5000, everything at 1080p.
Can you help me?

HDMI in theory should be the best but is still too new and not every device plays well with others. Not all receivers can accept 5.1 PCM or a 1080p signal via HDMI, but if yours can than thats the best way to go.

Thanks for the answer, but I was looking for an actual comparison -

Originally Posted by divedude
Has anyone compared the HDMI audio to the analog audio? In my opinion, analog sounds better than optical, but what about HDMI through the receiver?

Before I buy another HDMI cable so I can run the Panny into my receiver and then run that to the Qualia, I was wanting to see if it would sound better than the analog. And I am very happy with the analog. Now, I have my HDMI's connected directly to the TV.

Why wouldn't you want to just have the player decode everything to PCM?
Well, in my case, my Pioneer receiver isn't boosting the LFE channel on PCM tracks correctly, so I'd rather let the receiver handle the DD/DTS via bitstream until they get that solved.

In my HDMI menu, the Video level is greyed out - i.e. I can't select Normal o Enhanced when using HDMI video.
Is this normal?
I have my Panny hooked to a Denon 4806 passthrough and a Mitsubishi HC 5000, everything at 1080p.
Can you help me?

Is this in the SETUP menu under HDMI? Are you asking about the HDMI RGB Output Range? That is effective when connected to a device that only supports RGB output. Mine is also grayed out.

If I am looking in the wrong place, please let me know.

Well, in my case, my Pioneer receiver isn't boosting the LFE channel on PCM tracks correctly, so I'd rather let the receiver handle the DD/DTS via bitstream until they get that solved.

jacksonian,
Are you connected through HDMI or digital out? For some reason I thought you were connecting with HDMI and using that for audio.

I'm italian and I've the REgion B panny BD player.
My machine comes with the 1.1 firmware installed.
My question is .... If I update my region B player with the new firmware
http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/bd/download/bd10/index.html
It will works fine? Or this firmware works only over Region A players?

And more ...
My panny is hooked with my Crystalio 2 processor via HDMI.
The panny goes only in 1080i mode. The 1080p is unselectable.
This is strange because my C2 is able to accepts 1080p signals!

I think that the best way to hook up my panny to my C2 is in 1080i mode but my question is:
Is there some kind of trick to unlock the 1080p mode?

Thank u so much,
Actarus.

I think that the best way to hook up my panny to my C2 is in 1080i mode but my question is:
Is there some kind of trick to unlock the 1080p mode?

Thank u so much,
Actarus.

Actarus,
I can only answer part of your question, but I am sure others can help with the rest. It is probably better to let your C2 do the deinterlacing. There is a member "joerod" that has a C2 and he may be able to help with this more.

Thanks for the answer, but I was looking for an actual comparison -

Originally Posted by divedude
Has anyone compared the HDMI audio to the analog audio? In my opinion, analog sounds better than optical, but what about HDMI through the receiver?

Before I buy another HDMI cable so I can run the Panny into my receiver and then run that to the Qualia, I was wanting to see if it would sound better than the analog. And I am very happy with the analog. Now, I have my HDMI's connected directly to the TV.
A little more info.... AFAIK, you are using an unneeded analog to digital conversion. If you use HDMI the signal stays in the digital domain from the source untill it is output to your speakers. Now when you use analog, the player converts the digital signal to analog to pass to your receiver than back to digital where it is processed by your receiver and then back to analog and sent to your speakers.

In my opinion, here is the order from best to worst:

HDMI(ideal assuming your receiver can accept 1080p and 5.1/7.1 LPCM)
Analog
Digital coax/Fiber optic

Why wouldn't you want to just have the player decode everything to PCM?
They wont listen to me on this one.... The only downside is the Panny does not have the ability to decode 6.1 standard DVD(DTS-ES DD-EX). In my opinion I would live with 5.1 because most receivers will be impossible to properly calibrate both the analog and digital equally. Hook everything up via Analog... set everything to PCM... set all speakers to small... throw in AVIA/DVE and your good to go.

They wont listen to me on this one.... The only downside is the Panny does not have the ability to decode 6.1 standard DVD(DTS-ES DD-EX). In my opinion I would live with 5.1 because most receivers will be impossible to properly calibrate both the analog and digital equally. Hook everything up via Analog... set everything to PCM... set all speakers to small... throw in AVIA/DVE and your good to go.

Shamus, I do not think it is necessary to switch the settings under "Digital" to "PCM". If you are using the analog outs from the panny, you are bypassing the digital circuitry entirely from the AV receiver. You are strictly using the panny decoders in this manner, feeding the analog signals to receiver, and then output to speakers. In fact, I was perusing the DTS website earlier and once the FW for the panny is updated to handle the DTS-HD Master signal it will also be output this way via analog. You post is correct in that the panny does not decode DTS ES and if using analog, then it will be converted to 5.1. However, anyone that has 6.1 or 7.1 connected via digital, you can still play this signal feed thru receiver. Changing the settings to PCM did not make any difference running thru the analogs, based on my testing yesterday.

A little more info.... AFAIK, you are using an unneeded analog to digital conversion. If you use HDMI the signal stays in the digital domain from the source untill it is output to your speakers. Now when you use analog, the player converts the digital signal to analog to pass to your receiver than back to digital where it is processed by your receiver and then back to analog and sent to your speakers.

In my opinion, here is the order from best to worst:

HDMI(ideal assuming your receiver can accept 1080p and 5.1/7.1 LPCM)
Analog
Digital coax/Fiber optic

I guess it depends how much digital processing you want done where.

http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dtshd-master-audio-with-existing-receiver.php

All this theory is fine, but I was hoping someone has actually compared the two with their ears.

Changing the settings to PCM did not make any difference running thru the analogs, based on my testing yesterday.

I agree, and my testing confirmed that also. The manual says those settings are for Digital Audio Output.

Is this in the SETUP menu under HDMI? Are you asking about the HDMI RGB Output Range? That is effective when connected to a device that only supports RGB output. Mine is also grayed out.

If I am looking in the wrong place, please let me know.

Indeed it is a RGB adjustment.
Do you believe that the reason is that the AVR 4806 is somehow using component colorspace?
How do you select colorspace in the Panasonic BR player?

Indeed it is a RGB adjustment.
Do you believe that the reason is that the AVR 4806 is somehow using component colorspace?
How do you select colorspace in the Panasonic BR player?

Have you worked with the buttons under the flip-up lid on the remote?

Can someone explain to me what the player is doing when sending out bitstream via HDMI or optical/coax? I know that the HD DVD players convert TrueHD and DD+ to the highest possible bitrate DTS stream.

Specifically, what is happening with the DTS-MA tracks? My receiver indicates standard DTS. What type of downconversion is going on? (Yeah, I know I should update my audio system to take full advantage, but that is for a later upgrade)

Currently, the Panny won't fully decode DTS-MA.
It only extracts the lesser version of DTS.

Panasonic has promised a future FW for TrueHD and DTS-MA.

Currently, the Panny won't fully decode DTS-MA.
It only extracts the lesser version of DTS.

Panasonic has promised a future FW for TrueHD and DTS-MA.

So it is not really downconverting, just extracting a basic DTS stream embedded in there?

This may be unanswerable at this point. Once the decoding is activated, will the player output a higher quality DTS stream from the MA track, or will it still be the basic DTS stream when sent via bitstream?

It will be able to decode the lossless DTS-MA, probably thru the analog outputs.

Can anyone confirm if the player will be able to pass DTS-MA & Dolby True HD thru the 7.1 analog outputs & if the DVD has DTS-MA 7.1 ES Discrete track will it decode it that way (7.1 Discrete) thru the analog outs after the firmware update? If so will it not be downconverted it will be the full bitrate codec?

If so I may go with this player.

My receiver has DTS-ES Discrete on it along with Dolby Digital EX decoding.

Can anyone confirm if the player will be able to pass DTS-MA & Dolby True HD thru the 7.1 analog outputs & if the DVD has DTS-MA 7.1 ES Discrete track will it decode it that way (7.1 Discrete) thru the analog outs after the firmware update? If so will it not be downconverted it will be the full bitrate codec?

If so I may go with this player.

My receiver has DTS-ES Discrete on it along with Dolby Digital EX decoding.
If the player can decode it than it can pass the full signal through the 7.1 analogs or HDMI(only if that receiver can accept 8 channel PCM).

Heres the real question!!!
Panny states it will offer firmware for TruHD and DTS-HD. Notice they just say DTS-HD!!!! There are two types of DTS-HD..... "high resolution" and "masters" but they dont say which one????? Im not sure if something can decode DTS-HD that it can decode both and it depends on the disc to have that information.

Have you worked with the buttons under the flip-up lid on the remote?

Yes but I can't seem to find the proper one; there are buttons for contrast, brightness, etc. but no button for colorspace.
Anyone here?

It will be able to decode the lossless DTS-MA, probably thru the analog outputs.


And LPCM via HDMI..

Does the Panasonic support a "direct" or "native" type of output when sending video out via HDMI? For example, if the DVD is 1080p, output 1080p; if it's 480i, output 480i, etc. I have an Anthem D2 which has a built in scaler, and I prefer that it do all the scaling. My projector is 720p, but plan on getting a 1080p in the future.

BTW - any change the Panasonic will support 1080p/24 in the future?

And LPCM via HDMI..

Don't have a HDMI receiver yet.
Waiting for a HDMI 1.3 processor with an ability to decode EVERYTHING. :)

I just wanted to make sure I was correct on this. On the "Eight Below" Disney title to get the uncompressed soundtrack. I would just change my receiver to analog in & it will play the movie in 5.1 uncompressed sound & that sound will be much better than the regular 5.1 soundtrack on the optical output.

The analog uncompressed sound will also be in 5.1 sound without me having to do anything.

The only audio settings I see in the setup menu is for the digital output (coax or optical). It didn't have any analog settings so I assume that is correct.

I also did the firmware upgrade tonight to 1.2 in less than 15 minutes & it went flawlessly. It still plays, CDs, DVD-audio, Blu-Ray movies & upconverts standard DVDs with no problems.

Does the Panasonic support a "direct" or "native" type of output when sending video out via HDMI? For example, if the DVD is 1080p, output 1080p; if it's 480i, output 480i, etc. I have an Anthem D2 which has a built in scaler, and I prefer that it do all the scaling. My projector is 720p, but plan on getting a 1080p in the future.

BTW - any change the Panasonic will support 1080p/24 in the future?

When connected through HDMI, the factory setting of "Auto" means that the player will match the native resolution of the TV. You can manually adjust the output down as far as 480p. The only way to get 480i is to use Component Video Out. See the top of page 23 of the player manual for more details.

No info on 1080p/24.

Dana

I just wanted to make sure I was correct on this. On the "Eight Below" Disney title to get the uncompressed soundtrack. I would just change my receiver to analog in & it will play the movie in 5.1 uncompressed sound & that sound will be much better than the regular 5.1 soundtrack on the optical output.

The analog uncompressed sound will also be in 5.1 sound without me having to do anything.

The only audio settings I see in the setup menu is for the digital output (coax or optical). It didn't have any analog settings so I assume that is correct.

I also did the firmware upgrade tonight to 1.2 in less than 15 minutes & it went flawlessly. It still plays, CDs, DVD-audio, Blu-Ray movies & upconverts standard DVDs with no problems.

No, that is not correct. You have to select that soundtrack on the disc menu or by toggling the Audio button on the remote while the disc is playing. You also need to be sure that the player speaker setting is set to multi-channel (See pg. 22 of the player manual.) and that your receiver can process multi-channel LPCM.

Dana

Anyone have any audio sync issues on the Panny? I had the audio go out of wack (like the HD DVD does) while playing Speed the other night. Fixed it by hitting pause and then play on the remote but wondering if its happened to anyone else?

No, that is not correct. You have to select that soundtrack on the disc menu or by toggling the Audio button on the remote while the disc is playing. You also need to be sure that the player speaker setting is set to multi-channel (See pg. 22 of the player manual.) and that your receiver can process multi-channel LPCM.



Marine,

Dana is correct on this...always toggle the Audio Button when the movie starts to be sure you are getting LPCM. ;)

Anyone have any audio sync issues on the Panny? I had the audio go out of wack (like the HD DVD does) while playing Speed the other night. Fixed it by hitting pause and then play on the remote but wondering if its happened to anyone else?

TomsHT,

I haven't noticed any sync issues, but I haven't seen Speed on Blu-ray.

No, that is not correct. You have to select that soundtrack on the disc menu or by toggling the Audio button on the remote while the disc is playing. You also need to be sure that the player speaker setting is set to multi-channel (See pg. 22 of the player manual.) and that your receiver can process multi-channel LPCM.

Dana

I have a Pioneer Elite DV-79AVI it has 7.1 channel analog inputs. It plays the DVD-Audio in 5.1 analog so I assume it plays the DVD in 5.1 analog also. Aren't DVD-Audio discs in LPCM. It says the analog inputs can play up to 96hz 24 bit sound.

I just wanted to make sure I was getting 5.1 uncompressed sound on the Blu-Ray DVDswhen I played that soundtrack from my analog inputs.

Does that sound correct?

I have a Pioneer Elite DV-79AVI it has 7.1 channel analog inputs. It plays the DVD-Audio in 5.1 analog so I assume it plays the DVD in 5.1 analog also. Aren't DVD-Audio discs in LPCM. It says the analog inputs can play up to 96hz 24 bit sound.

I just wanted to make sure I was getting 5.1 uncompressed sound on the Blu-Ray DVDswhen I played that soundtrack from my analog inputs.

Does that sound correct?

Sorry, I don't understand the question. Is it about the Panasonic BD10 Blu-ray player?

Dana

Yes. I have a Panasonic BD10 Blu-ray player & am using the 7.1 analog outs to my Pioneer Elite DV-79AVI Receiver. I just wanted to make sure when I played the uncompressed soundtrack on the "Eight Below" Disney Blu-Ray DVD I would be getting the full uncompressed 5.1 soundtrack when it is selected on the disc & I wouldn't have to change any settings on my receiver or Blu-Ray player.

I wanted to make sure it would be uncompressed LPCM audio & it would be 5.1 without me having to change any settings using the 7.1 analog in on my reciever.

I hope that clears it up. I'm new to analog except for DVD-audio which I've been using for a couple of years now & I've never had to change any settings on my analog ins for that.

Yes. I have a Panasonic BD10 Blu-ray player & am using the 7.1 analog outs to my Pioneer Elite DV-79AVI Receiver. I just wanted to make sure when I played the uncompressed soundtrack on the "Eight Below" Disney Blu-Ray DVD I would be getting the full uncompressed 5.1 soundtrack when it is selected on the disc & I wouldn't have to change any settings on my receiver or Blu-Ray player.

I wanted to make sure it would be uncompressed LPCM audio & it would be 5.1 without me having to change any settings using the 7.1 analog in on my reciever.

I hope that clears it up. I'm new to analog except for DVD-audio which I've been using for a couple of years now & I've never had to change any settings on my analog ins for that.
You will know as soon as you as you switch it...especially on BlackHawk. Just make sure if your only using the analog cables that you set Dolby and DTS to PCM on the player.

I posted this in another thread.... For those of you using component video, make sure you set HDMI video to OFF or you will only get 480i resolution.

Okay. It's really weird. The front speakers sound discrete but the side speakers have the same sound coming out of it that the center channel has. All the dialogue & such.


I don't think it does that on the HD-DVD channels but I could be wrong. I changed the Dolby Digital to PCM on the Panasonic Blu-Ray Player & changed my input on the receiver to analog in but it's not playing it in 5.1 sound unless that's the way the soundtrack is on "Eight Below" Blu-Ray DVD.

I also selected the PCM uncompressed soundtrack which I read you could only select on analog in unless you have HDMI which I don't have on my receiver. I have the HDMI audio set to off.

Does anyone know if the side speakers in a 7.1 surround sound setup has the same sound that's coming thru the center channel speaker? Or am I doing something wrong? I was hoping to go thru the analog outs to avoid upgrading my receiver since I have the top of the line Pioneer Elite receiver with 7.1 analog outputs but it's not playing it in 5.1 sound when I'm going thru the analog inputs.

I have the Pioneer Elite VSX-49TXI receiver. I thought the analog inputs would decode whatever signal such as 5.1 that is coming thru it. I know the DVD-audio has discrete sounds thru all 5.1 channels. I can't understand why the Panasonic Blu-Ray player doesn't play 5.1 discrete channels of sound.

When I change it back to bitstream & play it thru the digital settings it plays in 5.1 discrete sound & the audio doesn't come thru the side speakers. I can't figure this one out. I thought all analog in receivers would play 5.1 discrete PCM signals if you didn't have HDMI. Was I wrong on that one?

The analog inputs decode nothing.
When you use the analog inputs on your receiver all decoding is done by the Panny.
Your receiver becomes nothing more than an amplifier.

Then why doesn't it play it in 5.1 discrete sound. The dialog is coming out of the center & back speakers. The front speakers is playing completely different sounds. I changed the Dolby Digital to PCM & the soundtrack on "Eight Below" to uncompressed PCM.

When I switch the Dolby Digital back to bitstream & put it back thru digital in thru the receiver it plays in regular 5.1 discrete sound without the dialog coming thru the back speakers.

Also when I go into setup for the speakers on the Panny & do the test tones nothing makes a sound but the front speakers but all of them play properly in digital mode. There isn't a test tone sound out of the center or side or back speakers, only the front speakers put out a test tone sound. But again they work perfectly in digital mode.

I watched X-Men 3 in 6.1 DTS discrete the day I got it thru the coax in & it all speakers worked perfectly.

Anyone have any ideas?

That is weird.

What "size" do you have your speakers set at in the Panny?

I have a 7.1 setup & all my speakers are tower speakers except the center channel speaker that has small subwoofers in it so all the speakers including the center channel speaker are set to large.

You should be getting a test tone on the other speakers in addition to the 2 fronts.

Is your reciever set to PCM multi-channel?

Be sure the Panny and the Pioneer are set up for multi-channel thru the analogs.

It sounds as though you are putting out 2 channel instead of multi.

I checked the Panny & my Pioneer Elite receiver & both of them are showing multi-channel sound.

I'll check my wiring tomorrow when it's light enough & see if I can fix it. I just ran another test tone signal using the Panny & the the front tone signal is coming thru the back speakers. The center channel is coming thru the center channel but nothing is coming thru the back.

I don't have an seperate analog cable hooked up to my back speakers. I'm using an analog y-splitter for the left side & left back speaker & another analog y-splitter for the right side & right back speaker to get sound out of all my speakers on the analog ins.

I can't figure out why nothing is coming out of the back speakers on the tone chart on the Panasonic player but when I play a Blu-Ray disc thru analog sound is coming out of all the speakers. According to the test tones I must have the front & back speakers reversed in my wiring to the analog ins.

So I don't have to have a special receiver to hear an LPCM uncompressed soundtrack on a Blu-Ray DVD? And it should play in 5.1 discrete? And using a y-splitter for my left side to back side speaker & another y splitter for my right side to right back speaker should be okay to hear sound from all my speakers?

In my Pioneer Elite receiver if I am doing that should I set the analog in to 5.1 since I'm using a splitter or 7.1 or does it matter?

I checked the Panny & my Pioneer Elite receiver & both of them are showing multi-channel sound.

I'll check my wiring tomorrow when it's light enough & see if I can fix it. I just ran another test tone signal using the Panny & the the front tone signal is coming thru the back speakers. The center channel is coming thru the center channel but nothing is coming thru the back.

I don't have an seperate analog cable hooked up to my back speakers. I'm using an analog y-splitter for the left side & left back speaker & another analog y-splitter for the right side & right back speaker to get sound out of all my speakers on the analog ins.

I can't figure out why nothing is coming out of the back speakers on the tone chart on the Panasonic player but when I play a Blu-Ray disc thru analog sound is coming out of all the speakers. According to the test tones I must have the front & back speakers reversed in my wiring to the analog ins.

So I don't have to have a special receiver to hear an LPCM uncompressed soundtrack on a Blu-Ray DVD? And it should play in 5.1 discrete? And using a y-splitter for my left side to back side speaker & another y splitter for my right side to right back speaker should be okay to hear sound from all my speakers?

In my Pioneer Elite receiver if I am doing that should I set the analog in to 5.1 since I'm using a splitter or 7.1 or does it matter?Check your analog cables again. And then do what Oink said. Go into the Panny menu and switch from 2 channel to mutlti channel(something like that).

I'll check my analog cables tomorrow when it's light to make sure they're hooked up right.

But I did check both my Panny & my receiver & it's showing multi-channel sound already.

It is okay to use a y-splitter for my side speakers & back speakers, right & I don't have to hook up 7 analog cables since they're only doing 5.1 sound on the uncompressed soundtracks since I'm using splitters for the side & back speakers right?

And I don't need a special receiver to hear uncompressed LPCM thru the analog ins?

This is just a stab in the dark, but do you have your receiver set to "bypass".

Marine,

I am not familiar with your receiver, but I would be surprised if it couldn't handle LPCM thru the analogs.

It is does sound as though the problem is in your cabling.
Definitely, you want to double-check that.

BTW, there was an annoucement of a BD tiltle with 6.1 LPCM...can't remember the title though.
You may want to drop the splitters.

Okay. Figured it out. The center channel analog in is on the right side but the back analog in is to the left of it. Above the center channel in is the 2-channel analog in. When I switched that all the test tones work correctly now.

The only reason I have the splitters on the side & back channel speakers is I switch back & forth with my Toshiba HD-DVD & it has Dolby True-HD on the analogs but it only has 5.1 analog in.

If I play a Blu-Ray title that has 6.1 or 7.1 uncompressed LPCM then I will take the splitters off & cable in all the 7.1 analog ins.

Last question on the "Eight Below" Blu-Ray disc to play the uncompressed LPCM track do I switch the Dolby Digital in the Blu-Ray player to PCM instead of Bitstream since I will be listening to it thru the analog outs in uncompressed LPCM.

Thanks guys for all the help on this. Using analog out & uncompressed LPCM is new to me.

Okay. Figured it out. The center channel analog in is on the right side but the back analog in is to the left of it. Above the center channel in is the 2-channel analog in. When I switched that all the test tones work correctly now.

The only reason I have the splitters on the side & back channel speakers is I switch back & forth with my Toshiba HD-DVD & it has Dolby True-HD on the analogs but it only has 5.1 analog in.

If I play a Blu-Ray title that has 6.1 or 7.1 uncompressed LPCM then I will take the splitters off & cable in all the 7.1 analog ins.

Last question on the "Eight Below" Blu-Ray disc to play the uncompressed LPCM track do I switch the Dolby Digital in the Blu-Ray player to PCM instead of Bitstream since I will be listening to it thru the analog outs in uncompressed LPCM.

Thanks guys for all the help on this. Using analog out & uncompressed LPCM is new to me.

Those settings (PCM / Bitstream) as noted on page 22 of the manual are only for digital audio out. They do not affect the output through the analog cables. All you need to do is check the On-screen menu to ensure the Soundtrack is set to LPCM or the highest quality audio when the movie starts.

Thank you guys for all the help. I just got thru watching "Eight Below" thru the analogs. The 5.1 uncompressed LPCM was an amazing experience. The picture quality was unbelievable also. What a great movie.

After I got my cables all straightened out I was able to get the 5.1 sound thru the analogs. Thanks again!

an annoying question that I'm repeating, but has anybody with the Panny unit tried any of the Dual Disc DVD-A titles (like, say, Talking Heads' BRICK) to see if they playback fine? Silly thing that I keep talking about, but I'm curious, as this is the only HD player to my knowledge that supports DVD-A.

cheers

Thank you guys for all the help. I just got thru watching "Eight Below" thru the analogs. The 5.1 uncompressed LPCM was an amazing experience. The picture quality was unbelievable also. What a great movie.

After I got my cables all straightened out I was able to get the 5.1 sound thru the analogs. Thanks again!
Try BlackHawk!!!! Or do you hate Army????
HOOORAHHHH!!!! :)

Yeah Blackhawk Down is on my list of movies to get. I hear the picture & sound are great.

My best friend is in the army & in Iraq right now. So no I don't have anything against the army.

And yes since I also have a HD-DVD player I do own the movie Jarhead & it has great sound & a great picture also. You know I had to get that one.

Semper Fi!

Yeah Blackhawk Down is on my list of movies to get. I hear the picture & sound are great.

My best friend is in the army & in Iraq right now. So no I don't have anything against the army.

And yes since I also have a HD-DVD player I do own the movie Jarhead & it has great sound & a great picture also. You know I had to get that one.

Semper Fi!
LOL... Dont forget Tears of the Sun.... but thats Navy!!!

I do own the movie Jarhead & it has great sound & a great picture also.

Semper Fi!

Check out the book, if you haven't already.
Great read. :)

an annoying question that I'm repeating, but has anybody with the Panny unit tried any of the Dual Disc DVD-A titles (like, say, Talking Heads' BRICK) to see if they playback fine? Silly thing that I keep talking about, but I'm curious, as this is the only HD player to my knowledge that supports DVD-A.

cheers

Just saw your question and gave three Dual Discs a spin just for you. :)

I skipped around and played different songs on both sides of Talking Heads:77, Talking Heads: Fear of Music, and Pete Townshend/Ronnie Lane: Rough Mix and both the DVD-A and CD layers played without any problems.

If a Blu-Ray DVD doesn't have an uncompressed LPCM soundtrack & only has Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS 5.1 do I still need to go thru the analog outs to get better sound or will the digital out be sufficient?

I know HD-DVD is encoded at 754 kpbs sound & the Toshiba re-encodes it to 1.5 mpbs DTS. From what I've been told in the HD-DVD forum it doesn't matter whether you use the digital out or the analog outs they sound about the same. The only time I would use analog outs is if it has a Dolby True HD soundtrack.

What are Dolby Digital 5.1 & DTS 5.1 soundtracks on Blu-Ray encoded at? And will the digital out on the player into my digital in on my receiver be able to give me the full bitrate sound or do I still need to go thru the analog outs? Will I have any better sound going thru the analog outs vs digital out on those soundtracks? I know I have to go thru the analog outs for uncompressed LPCM sound now.

I don't have HDMI on my receiver. I'm waiting until the new receivers come out next year that will have HDMI & will be able to decode Dolby True HD & DTS-MA.

What are the specs of the DACs on your receiver?

Are they lesser DACs compared to the Panny?

Ultimately, you will have to test each with your own ears.

Anything going thru the Panny analogs out are being decoded by the player.
If your sending DD and DTS out thru the optical/coax to your receiver, then the receiver is doing the decoding.
Experiment and see which sounds best to you.

I just joined the BD camp and bought the Panasonic and I need some advise if I have hooked up everything correctly. I pulled a Denon DVD 2910 out of my system and replaced it with the Panasonic BD Player and I must say the picture quality on SD DVD is just as good as my 2910 was.

A little background on my system is the following: I currently own the McIntosh MX-119 pre/pro which only has 3 component inputs which I am using for an HD/Tivo receiver, X-Box 360 and now the Panasonic BD Player. I have the Panasonic hooked up via component, digital coaxial and 7.1 anologue outputs to my McIntosh 7.1 external inputs. I take it that my external inputs on the Mac is what everyone is calling PCM. Is this correct?

Other questions are:
1. What settings should I set the Panny to? I am really confused with the details from the menus as well as the manual is confusing. I currently have the Video setting Picture to normal, DNR to off, Progressive set to on, Transfer set to Auto 1, 4:3 aspect set to normal,
V. Surround Sound set to off, Dialog Enhancer set to off, Re-master set to off and Dialogue Filter set to normal. Are these setting correct?

2. My Digital Audio Output settings are:
PCM Down Conversion is set to off
Dolby Digital is set to Bitstream
Dolby Digital Plus is set to PCM
DTS is set to Bitstream
Is this correct?

3. I have my speakers selected to Multi Channel but when I put my McIntosh pre/pro to external input the pink noise from the Panny is played through all 7 channels except for the sub. I believe I read in the manual that this is correct and the Pink noise will not be played through the sub. Please let me know if this is correct.

The strange thing is when I put the Mac in Dolby Digital or DTS the Pink Noise is only coming out of the front left and front right speakers. But when I watch either a SD DVD or a BD DVD the audio seems to be playing in all the speakers.

I know that X-Men The Last Stand is DTS 6.1 but when I play it through my system I am getting no sound out of my back surrounds eventhough I know they are hooked up correctly. Am I missing something here.

I am hoping I can get some answers before I get too frustrated and decide to take it back. I believe this is going to be a great player and SD was extremely nice eventhrough component which only allows me to upconvert to 525P but it equals if not betters my Denon 2910 which speaks very highly of the Panny.

Please help.

Thanks

What is the native rate for your display?

Try disconnecting the optical and send everything out the Panny's analogs to your Mac.
The DTS on X-men should put out 6.1 via the analogs.

And, yes, there is no pink noise thru your SW.

I just joined the BD camp and bought the Panasonic and I need some advise if I have hooked up everything correctly. I pulled a Denon DVD 2910 out of my system and replaced it with the Panasonic BD Player and I must say the picture quality on SD DVD is just as good as my 2910 was.

A little background on my system is the following: I currently own the McIntosh MX-119 pre/pro which only has 3 component inputs which I am using for an HD/Tivo receiver, X-Box 360 and now the Panasonic BD Player. I have the Panasonic hooked up via component, digital coaxial and 7.1 anologue outputs to my McIntosh 7.1 external inputs. I take it that my external inputs on the Mac is what everyone is calling PCM. Is this correct?

Other questions are:
1. What settings should I set the Panny to? I am really confused with the details from the menus as well as the manual is confusing. I currently have the Video setting Picture to normal, DNR to off, Progressive set to on, Transfer set to Auto 1, 4:3 aspect set to normal,
V. Surround Sound set to off, Dialog Enhancer set to off, Re-master set to off and Dialogue Filter set to normal. Are these setting correct?

2. My Digital Audio Output settings are:
PCM Down Conversion is set to off
Dolby Digital is set to Bitstream
Dolby Digital Plus is set to PCM
DTS is set to Bitstream
Is this correct?

3. I have my speakers selected to Multi Channel but when I put my McIntosh pre/pro to external input the pink noise from the Panny is played through all 7 channels except for the sub. I believe I read in the manual that this is correct and the Pink noise will not be played through the sub. Please let me know if this is correct.

The strange thing is when I put the Mac in Dolby Digital or DTS the Pink Noise is only coming out of the front left and front right speakers. But when I watch either a SD DVD or a BD DVD the audio seems to be playing in all the speakers.

I know that X-Men The Last Stand is DTS 6.1 but when I play it through my system I am getting no sound out of my back surrounds eventhough I know they are hooked up correctly. Am I missing something here.

I am hoping I can get some answers before I get too frustrated and decide to take it back. I believe this is going to be a great player and SD was extremely nice eventhrough component which only allows me to upconvert to 525P but it equals if not betters my Denon 2910 which speaks very highly of the Panny.

Please help.

Thanks
Like Oink says... lose the digital connection for now. Trying to run both is only gonna give you calibration problems. The only downside is when playing standard DVD... you will only get 5.1(for some reason the Panny can only decode up to 5.1, not 6.1 while playing standard DVD.... BD can play up to 7.1).

Your settings seem pretty accurate for the most part, but dont forget these...
In the Panny player:
- On the main speaker screen, set all speakers to small and set the delays. Make sure Sub is set to yes and it shows all speakers(refer to manual)
- Make sure HDMI video and HDMI audio is set to OFF
- Speaker is set to Multi-Channel
- Dynamic Range is set to OFF
- BD-Video Function set to OFF
- Component Video is set to your displays resolution
- Set Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital plus and DTS to PCM
- Black level control set to DARK
Now throw in a calibration disc and use the speaker level settings on the speaker screen.

These are just general guidelines when using component and analog outs and should get you going in the right direction.
Good Luck!!!

Like Oink says... lose the digital connection for now. Trying to run both is only gonna give you calibration problems. The only downside is when playing standard DVD... you will only get 5.1(for some reason the Panny can only decode up to 5.1, not 6.1 while playing standard DVD.... BD can play up to 7.1).

Your settings seem pretty accurate for the most part, but dont forget these...
In the Panny player:
- On the main speaker screen, set all speakers to small and set the delays. Make sure Sub is set to yes and it shows all speakers(refer to manual)
- Make sure HDMI video and HDMI audio is set to OFF
- Speaker is set to Multi-Channel
- Dynamic Range is set to OFF
- BD-Video Function set to OFF
- Component Video is set to your displays resolution
- Set Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital plus and DTS to PCM
- Black level control set to DARK
Now throw in a calibration disc and use the speaker level settings on the speaker screen.

These are just general guidelines when using component and analog outs and should get you going in the right direction.
Good Luck!!!

I don't quite understand why I need to lose the digital connection. For SD DVD's my Mac will output 7.1 even on 5.1 sources which definately sounds better. I also have speakers that will handle large, is there a reason to select small in the Panny player. Is there any hints on what to set the delays to or just measure the distance to the listening position and input? The manual is pretty confusing on the delay front.

Are there two settings for HDMI Video and HDMI Audio or just one? I seem to remember if you cut off the HDMI Output it handle both but I am not sure.

I have the Panny set to multi channel but like I said before when selecting my anologue inputs on my Mac the PINK NOISE comes through in all 7 speakers without the sub but when I have Dolby Digital or DTS set on the Mac the PINK NOISE only comes through on the front left and front right speakers. What is the deal with this if anyone knows?

"Set Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital plus and DTS to PCM" - I thought I read somewhere in this post that Dolby Digital should be set to bitstream, Dolby Digital Plus should be set to PCM and DTS should be set to Bitstream. Is this not correct. This confuses me like know end, in the Manual it states that "if Bitstream is selected, the bitstream is output from the unit and the connected equipment decodes the signal. If "PCM" is selected, this unit decodes the signal and output it as 2 channel from the Digital Audio Out terminal." Is this why when I have my Mac set to DD or DTS through the digital connection and playback the PINK NOISE I only get the Pink Noise to play back on the front right and front left speakers. I don't get it.

"Now throw in a calibration disc and use the speaker level settings on the speaker screen." Do I use the Pink Noise from the calibration disc or from the Panny Player?

I really do appreciate all the help and it kind of rocks to have both HD and BD. I do know from watching Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Mans Chest in SD and X-Men in BD that this player is pretty incredible. I will post my thoughts when it comes to PQ and AQ after I watch a few films with both my HD and BD player. I am pretty excited if I can figure out all these settings and get it set up properly.

Thanks for the help.

A couple of other questions: Does anyone else notice that running the PINK NOISE from the Panny to set speaker levels is inconsistent when using an SPL meter? I cycled my Panny through to make adjustments but it is inconsistent each and every time. What is the best way to adjust speaker level in the Panny?

Does anyone have written down all the best adjustments for set up in the Panny set up menu that could be put in this thread?

I turned off my HDMI video to off but the HDMI audio is shaded and it states it is on and I can not get to this menu option. Anyone know how to turn HDMI Audio to off or does turning HDMI Video to off just turns all HDMI options to off?

Also, when you set the digital sound options to bitstream, does this mean when you playback SD and BD in Dolby Digital through the Panny that you only get 2 channel and it matrixes to the other 5 channels. Just curious.

Thanks

No, when you send out the signal set to bitstream, you're sending it out to a receiver that has Dolby Digital/DTS decoders in it to do the work. The receiver will output the full surround.

dpags, so if I set it to bitstream then my McIntosh pre/pro will decode the sound via compressed audio even if I have the external input on the Mac selected and not DD or DTS. So what settings should the Panny be set on? Bitstream or PCM?

Golfer, I gave you the the best basic settings to use in your situation. If you try any of the other stuff it gets VERY complicated. Start off with my suggestions and we can take it from there.

Golfer, I gave you the the best basic settings to use in your situation. If you try any of the other stuff it gets VERY complicated. Start off with my suggestions and we can take it from there.

I will give them a try. How do I set the HDMI Audio to off. On my screen it is shaded and will not allow me to go to this setting. I have HDMI Video set to off but I can not get to the HDMI Audio function.

I also do not understand and would appreciate it if you explained it to me why I would set my B&W 803's to small as well as my other speakers to small.

Thanks for your time and input. I appreciate it.

I will give them a try. How do I set the HDMI Audio to off. On my screen it is shaded and will not allow me to go to this setting. I have HDMI Video set to off but I can not get to the HDMI Audio function.

I also do not understand and would appreciate it if you explained it to me why I would set my B&W 803's to small as well as my other speakers to small.

Thanks for your time and input. I appreciate it.
-If its shaded out dont worry about it.
-Setting small or large only refers to bass management. When set to large, the full signal is sent to the speaker. When set to small, the lower bass is cut off and sent to your sub. Unless speakers can go down to 20hz(which 99% cant) you should always set to small. I just checked your B&W's and they go down to 35hz. Thats close enough if you want to try large. But there are still many other benefits of setting to small. First is, like I said, if a full range is sent to your speaker and it does not go down the entire range than the lower frequencies will be lost. Second, the receiver can easily drive your speakers when it doesnt have to power the lower frequencies, the sub than takes that responsibility. Third, the sub usually handles bass better than a stand alone speaker can. Forth, while playing a 2 channel CD, your subs will work. Fifth, and most important, is a speaker is stuck in one place based on where your display is.... a sub isnt. This means you can move a sub around and get the best possible bass response.

Read these excellent articles for more info: http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/setup/index.php

shamus, nice explanation. I will try setting my speakers to small and see how it sounds. I will also disconnect the Digital Coaxial and see how the sound comes out.

I am actually getting into the workings of audio/video more and more vs. having my installer do everything. The more knowledge I keep picking up here the better. I probably know enough now to be dangerous.

I do know that being format neutral is going to be good. I get the best of both worlds. I was a little concerned about taking my Denon 2910 out of the equation but after watching SD DVD's with the Panasonic I don't have this worry anymore. It is at least as good and possibly better PQ wise than the Denon.

Should I update my Panny to 1.2? At this time I have firmware 1.0.

shamus,
Do you set the speakers to small in both the Panasonic and your receiver? Would you consider setting them to large in the player and letting it send everything to the receiver where you then set them to small?

Should I update my Panny to 1.2? At this time I have firmware 1.0.

YES!!! You wont be able to play some movies without it!!!

shamus,
Do you set the speakers to small in both the Panasonic and your receiver? Would you consider setting them to large in the player and letting it send everything to the receiver where you then set them to small?
This is where it gets difficult!!! If your receiver has the capability of setting it up that way while using the analogs, that would be ideal because they tend to have more settings. However most just simply do a pass through.... To test this set all speakers to large and delays on 0 on the player. Now play a movie with good deep bass. On the receiver switch back and forth between large and small. If you can hear the bass switching from the speakers to the sub then your receiver is applying bass management.(this can be difficult to tell sometimes and is easier to tell when you disconnect all the speakers except the sub. You will then get little in the sub or alot... always turn off the receiver when removing plugs and dont let them touch each other). If it turns out your receiver can do bass management then leave all the speakers set to large and delays set to 0 on the player (as you stated, this will send the full range untouched), and then set the receivers bass management accordingly(speakers to small, crossover if available...etc.)

What shamus said. :)

I checked my update on my Panasonic last evening and it stated I had firmware 1.0 so I down loaded the new firm ware which is 1.2 and the message I got was this:

[Note]:
If the firmware version currently installed in the Panasonic BD player is the same or more recent than the firmware version on the update disc, "UNSUP/PORT" will be displayed for approximately 5 seconds on the front display of the Panasonic BD player. In this case, an update is unnecessary -please remove the disc.

Display on the Panasonic BD player:

UNSUPP PORT

I believe I read that this means that I have the latest software but my display states I have 1.0. Thanks

Any reason why my player states I have 1.0 and will not allow me to run 1.2 on the Panny but the Panny states UNSUPP PORT which if I am not mistaken from the web site for the update which means the current update is on my system.

Any reason why my player states I have 1.0 and will not allow me to run 1.2 on the Panny but the Panny states UNSUPP PORT which if I am not mistaken from the web site for the update which means the current update is on my system.

Try to burn another CD with the firmware. It may also have problems reading your disc.

Any reason why my player states I have 1.0 and will not allow me to run 1.2 on the Panny but the Panny states UNSUPP PORT which if I am not mistaken from the web site for the update which means the current update is on my system.

Make sure you burn the CD at the SLOWEST possible speed.

Try to burn another CD with the firmware. It may also have problems reading your disc.

Thank you, I just burned another disc and everything worked as planned. The first disc I burned was off a Mac and it did not work and so I burned a disc off my PC Laptop at home and it is working fine.

Thanks again. I am definately loving this HD stuff. It is pretty amazing. I have both an HD player and now a BD player so I guess I am neutral on that front. At this time I don't care who wins as long as they keep coming out with Hi def disc, I don't care except the AQ of the Panasonic with uncompressed audio rocks. HD DVD definately has some catching up to do to equal the sound of the Panny.

I did a search but was unable to locate the official Panasonic Blu Ray site. I know that I get two additional BD disc. It ask for a certain code, does anyone know what this is. It seems pretty easy to sign up for the free disc except for this one part.

Thanks for any help.

Here it is.

http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_electronics/bluray/default.asp

I did a search but was unable to locate the official Panasonic Blu Ray site. I know that I get two additional BD disc. It ask for a certain code, does anyone know what this is. It seems pretty easy to sign up for the free disc except for this one part.

Thanks for any help.
You have to buy the player and it comes with a card with an individual code. You can't use a generic code to get free discs.

correct me if im wrong but this is a hi definition video player isnt it? how come no one has commented on the picture quality? :confused:

correct me if im wrong but this is a hi definition video player isnt it? how come no one has commented on the picture quality? :confused:


The picture quality is excellent. The panny DMP-BD10 is a high definition Blu-ray player.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8595477&&#post8595477

Has anyone tried using a Hamony 880 remote with this unit yet?

I am using Harmony 890 with it. After entering the Model Number the BD10 was identified as a dvd recorder which made it want to select an "input" on the unit for "watch Blu-ray" activity.

I ended up setting it up as a DVD player manually and learning additional commands to round out the features. The Harmony database may have been updated to better reflect its capabilities by now.

I have an 880 and had to go through the same steps as cueCrew above. Maybe the Harmony database has updated by now to include this player, but I already have everything I need programmed in there, so I'm good.

I was also looking at the Pioneer Blu-ray, but just read that it will not plays CD's either. This is why I am not looking at the Sony.

Just want to make sure that the Panasonic will play CD's.

Yes or No??

The DMP-BD10 plays essentially everything except SACDs and HD-DVDs. It's audio DACs are awesome.

Do these come with the Panny?

You have to supply the analog cables.

How 'bout them Cowboys ! !

You have to supply the analog cables.

How 'bout them Cowboys ! !



NO COWGIRLS

GO SAINTS

You have to buy the player and it comes with a card with an individual code. You can't use a generic code to get free discs.

I looked through the box but I don't see a card. What does it look like?

Can't remember right now, I know I did mine online so I'll have to look and see if I kept the card or if I threw it out.

I looked through the box but I don't see a card. What does it look like?


Like this:

I looked through the box but I don't see a card. What does it look like?

I didn't get one either. The movie "Eight Below" was not in my box either. I called Panny customer svc. They are looking into this, as others are saying the same. Here's the number 800-973-4326.
Say "Customer Service" when ask what you want to do by the recording.

Where did you guys buy from? I know Robert from Value Electronics posted the other day that his last batch that went out didn't have the latest firmware or Eight Below and he was checking with his supplier as to why.

Odd question. I feed 2 displays, projector and plasma via a Gefen HDMI switch, currently both are 720p displays. What happens if I upgrade my pj to a 1080p model? Will the Panasonic handshake with each (plasma and pj) and determine the max resolution each time? Or would I need to set it each time I switched between them? Or would it be even more complicated?

I didn't get one either. The movie "Eight Below" was not in my box either. I called Panny customer svc. They are looking into this, as others are saying the same. Here's the number 800-973-4326.
Say "Customer Service" when ask what you want to do by the recording.
I beleive this movie deal was only for a limited time.

Odd question. I feed 2 displays, projector and plasma via a Gefen HDMI switch, currently both are 720p displays. What happens if I upgrade my pj to a 1080p model? Will the Panasonic handshake with each (plasma and pj) and determine the max resolution each time? Or would I need to set it each time I switched between them? Or would it be even more complicated?
Worst case scenario you would have to switch it manually. Or just leave it at 1080i.

I beleive this movie deal was only for a limited time.
If you notice on the coupon,lower right corner it says offer good 10/1/06 to 3/31/07 so they should honor it.

If you notice on the coupon,lower right corner it says offer good 10/1/06 to 3/31/07 so they should honor it.
OK, wasnt sure how long it lasted for.

I am ordering this player tomorrow from Robert and had a few questions. I will be hooking this up to my Denon AVR-4806 via HDMI. I assume I will get the PCM via this?

Lastly with a 720p projector is it better to use 1080i (and let the projector do the scaling) or 720p? The reason I ask is because the Toshiba HD1 looks better outputting 1080i to my projector than 720p.

Thanks all.

I am ordering this player tomorrow from Robert and had a few questions. I will be hooking this up to my Denon AVR-4806 via HDMI. I assume I will get the PCM via this?

Lastly with a 720p projector is it better to use 1080i (and let the projector do the scaling) or 720p? The reason I ask is because the Toshiba HD1 looks better outputting 1080i to my projector than 720p.

Thanks all.
1) Yes
2) I've tried both with my 720p plasma and pj and I can't tell a difference. I think the Panasonic handles it like it's supposed to, the Toshiba had an issue with 720p.

Where did you guys buy from? I know Robert from Value Electronics posted the other day that his last batch that went out didn't have the latest firmware or Eight Below and he was checking with his supplier as to why.

I bought mine from AAFES (Army Air Force Exchange Services) or PX . It was shipped directly from their warehouse. No disk...No disk offers inside box. Came with firmware 1.1 installed.

I beleive this movie deal was only for a limited time.
According to their website, it's valid thru Jan 07.

Apparently, Panasonic screwed up on the packaging of the 2nd batch of players.
You are not alone in this.
Give them a call. ;)

I actually ordered and purchased these two movies before I found out that the box contained the free offer for the same movies.

I actually ordered and purchased these two movies before I found out that the box contained the free offer for the same movies.

That must have improved your Holiday Mood... :eek:

Hi,
I suggested awhile back to set your contrast to -2 and brightness to +2 in the player in order to get blacker than black and whiter than white information.

Stacey Spears stated that this might compress the grey scale.

After alot of viewing and testing I want to pass along that all you need to really use is -1 on contrast and +1 on brightness and you will get the correct BTB and WTW picture info.

The picture looks terrifically better using these settings, so much so that i would really hesitate even doing a firmware upgrade since the picture and grey scale look that perfect!

Thanx, Stevie.

What other things have you found about your Panny?

Thanx, Stevie.

What other things have you found about your Panny?


Well colors are dead on using DVE and if you are using a DVDO VP50 1080i in with 4:44 color space out seems to give the best results and leave the sharpness control on the player off to avoid any ringing.
If you want things sharper turn up the sharpness on the VP50 to +1 any higher also seems to introduce some ringing.
( and of course -1 contrast +1 brightness on the player settings)

OT: have you heard the DTS sound using just the coax out on League of X gentlemen?Blows away anything i have ever heard!

I just received my Panny from Robert 12/13/06 and it included the 8 Below Bluray movie.

OT: have you heard the DTS sound using just the coax out on League of X gentlemen?Blows away anything i have ever heard!

I haven't seen/heard it yet. :eek:

Like you, I am using a VP50 too.
Thanx for your insight. :)

Dudes,

I am NEW to avsforum--registered yesterday--and am ON THE FENCE between purchasing the Panasonic DMP-BD10 or Sony BDP-S1. What are the pros & cons of each & which is the better choice...all things being equal (except for $300-to-$400 price diff, that is)? Thanks!!!

Ty-K
BTW, I have a 51" rear-projection UltraVision HDTV (1080i)...that I'll connect blu-ray to. *~*

Dudes,

I am NEW to avsforum--registered yesterday--and am ON THE FENCE between purchasing the Panasonic DMP-BD10 or Sony BDP-S1. What are the pros & cons of each & which is the better choice...all things being equal (except for $300-to-$400 price diff, that is)? Thanks!!!

Ty-K
BTW, I have a 51" rear-projection UltraVision HDTV (1080i)...that I'll connect blu-ray to. *~*

Before the rest of the members jump on you for not searching :) I would recommend you to read the many posts concerning both the Panny and the Sony. I myself will probably get the Panny. This is due to it having 7.1 analog (my A/V receiver has this, but does not have HDMI) and the fact that the Sony will not play CD's.

OH - welcome to the best forum in the world, but be prepared to open up your wallet a lot. :D

Thanks Man,
I have read more extensively about the Sony, I'll admit, and do apologize (a lil) for not discovering/reading every debate regarding these two. I guess I'm NOW asking more about the Panny as it seems to read more...such as CD's and DVD+Rs that the Sony may not. So, I am leaning 51% Panny/49% Sony at the moment. Help push me over the hedge!

I am not sure about down or up-loading newest software tho'--is that complicated? huh?

Thanks rgathright,
Ty-K

I am not sure, but I do not believe either one of these can get software updates directly to the units. I think you have to get it on a CD then install it.

Some of the members that actually have these units can clarify this.

I am not sure, but I do not believe either one of these can get software updates directly to the units. I think you have to get it on a CD then install it.

Some of the members that actually have these units can clarify this.

Kewl. That doesn't sound toooo complicated for my novice butt! :eek: Thanks!

I own the Panny and would highly recommend it. I saw the Sony yesterday (finally!) at a Sears (remember I'm in Wyoming, and there aren't any CE retailers here). It's a nice looking unit, and it is built really well. But the Panny is user friendly to operate (except for not being able to eject a disk from the remote), it throws a gorgeous image to your display, and it has fantastic audio...and it'll only get better when they release the firmware with support for decoding the lossless audio codecs in a few months. Plus it plays everyhting but SACDs. You won't be dissapointed.

I own the Panny and would highly recommend it. I saw the Sony yesterday (finally!) at a Sears (remember I'm in Wyoming, and there aren't any CE retailers here). It's a nice looking unit, and it is built really well. But the Panny is user friendly to operate (except for not being able to eject a disk from the remote), it throws a gorgeous image to your display, and it has fantastic audio...and it'll only get better when they release the firmware with support for decoding the lossless audio codecs in a few months. Plus it plays everyhting but SACDs. You won't be dissapointed.

Thanks ottscay,

I believe it will be the right choice for me, as well. I like the looks AND price of the Sony but have heard several reports of 'freezing' and disc 'lock-ups' plus it won't play CDs....how dumb is that? Strange that it won't eject a disc using the remote, but not as important an issue as others.

Is there any special instructions to BOOT UP the first time as I hear there is w/the Sony. I have seen THAT issue discussed a few times. Thanks for your input! :D :)

I just set up the new panny and have a question. I have ver. 1.2 and hooked via HDMI to my Elite 74txi receiver. Instead of choosing auto I went to the drop down menu and 1080p is greyed out. I have the new Samsung HLS 61" 1080P DLP tv. Should I not have the option to select 1080P on the Panny menu. Let me know if I'm doing something wrong.

Current system
Samsung 61" 1080P DLP
Pionee Elite 74txi AV
Panasonic Bluray
Xbox 360 HD DVD
D*TV HR20

I just set up the new panny and have a question. I have ver. 1.2 and hooked via HDMI to my Elite 74txi receiver. Instead of choosing auto I went to the drop down menu and 1080p is greyed out. I have the new Samsung HLS 61" 1080P DLP tv. Should I not have the option to select 1080P on the Panny menu. Let me know if I'm doing something wrong.

Current system
Samsung 61" 1080P DLP
Pionee Elite 74txi AV
Panasonic Bluray
Xbox 360 HD DVD
D*TV HR20

It is very possible the 74 will not pass the 1080p signal
Try and connect the player direct and see if it does 1080p. that will be your answer.

Thanks, I thought about that as I was watching a moive. I will try in the morning. If it is the 74, what receivers pass 1080P?

Only the latest receivers will pass 1080p.

Can you be more specific?

Edit: Just asked and got confirmation that my Pioneer 84TX will pass 1080p. I believe the latest Denon models tout it as well.

Generally, before a year or 2 ago, very, very few receivers allowed 1080p pass-thru (and those were typically high-end equipment).

I know this is the Panny Blu-ray thread but this is part of a setup question. Which current receiver/s will pass 1080P...Thanks

Look 2 posts up. I just said the Pioneer Elite 84TX and the current Denon models will. Maybe someone else can help you with any others.

My fault...Thanks,

Another noob question. We watched "Eight Below" and "Devil wears Prada" last night and both shows were letterboxed, meaning black bars top and bottom. I hope that is correct and not an issue with my Panny.

My fault...Thanks,

Another noob question. We watched "Eight Below" and "Devil wears Prada" last night and both shows were letterboxed, meaning black bars top and bottom. I hope that is correct and not an issue with my Panny.

Normal letterboxing.

Thread stuck: let's see how it works out

Thanks,

Raymond

Here is the location of the free movie offer from Panasonic. :D

http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_electronics/bluray/default.asp

Thanx for the Sticky, Mark. :)

I plan on picking up the Panasonic in the next few weeks as I want me some more movies in HD. My question is, Im going to get the Monoprice HDMI switcher . Has there been any problems with the Panny and the switcher? Thanks

I plan on picking up the Panasonic in the next few weeks as I want me some more movies in HD. My question is, Im going to get the Monoprice HDMI switcher . Has there been any problems with the Panny and the switcher? Thanks

I have read nothing but good comments about their switcher and will order from them. But they are out of stock on all of them. Their website shows the 5 to 1 switcher to be back in stock on 12/30/06.

I just received my Panny from Robert 12/13/06 and it included the 8 Below Bluray movie.

I called Panasonic's Customer Service after not receiving Eight Below in the box or the 2 disc movie offer. They apologized and recorded all my info and said they would get back to me. Two days later, I received Gone in 60 Seconds and the Great Raid. Three days later and I received Eight Below. Great service from Panasonic on this one!

I have read nothing but good comments about their switcher and will order from them. But they are out of stock on all of them. Their website shows the 5 to 1 switcher to be back in stock on 12/30/06.

Thanks. looking forward to getting the Panny to accompany my XA1. Been a huge supporter of HDDVD, but I want all the HD content I can get and its silly to sit out while movies i want to see are coming out on BR. Already have KOH, Xmen 3, Tears of the Sun, Black Hawk and A knights tale waiting for my player purchase and more titles will be bought before then as well

Joey, I have the Panny running to the monoprice 5x1 hdmi switcher and it works great so no worries in that department.

Is there anybody from Panasonic following this thread? I am an owner of their blu-ray player and would like to give a suggestion of a feature that could be included in the coming firmware update: Please, add a setting for moving the position of the subtitles vertically upwards so that they are completely over the 2:35:1 image. I know this is easy to implement and it will give huge added value for the product for everyone who has an anamorphic 2.35:1 setup. If it is not your strategy to leave this feature for some future product, then this feature has extremely good value/work ratio and will certainly tempt many potential buyers.

btw, is the free movie offer only for US customers? I bought mine in Finland and didn't receive any movies.

Kari

Bought mine in Norway, and no movies here either... too bad.

UltimateAVMag's Review of the DMP-BD10 (http://www.ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplayers/1106panasdmpbd10/)

I have not experienced any of the audio issues mentioned in the article. The analog audio output levels are fine, and all of my DVD-Audio disks play with no problems.

UltimateAVMag's Review of the DMP-BD10 (http://www.ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplayers/1106panasdmpbd10/)

I have not experienced any of the audio issues mentioned in the article. The analog audio output levels are fine, and all of my DVD-Audio disks play with no problems.

I also haven't had all the audio problems using analog inputs mentioned in the article except the subwoofer level is too low and needs to be boosted.

Also this:

Remote problem two: the buffer that accepts inputs from the numeric keypad is limited to three digits. No problem on most discs, but many Sony BDs include several test patterns that are accessed by pressing 7669, followed by Enter. The Panasonic buffer would not accept the four-digit code, so I was not able to access the patterns.

I have no problem bring up the test patterns on the Sony discs I've tried.

Is the DMP-BD10 US version only 110V or multi voltage?

Since I hate this region coding BS, I plan to get my BR player from US so I wonder if it can handle 220V ? If not do you think a transformer will do just fine ?

Is the DMP-BD10 US version only 110V or multi voltage?

Since I hate this region coding BS, I plan to get my BR player from US so I wonder if it can handle 220V ? If not do you think a transformer will do just fine ?

The manual for the US version says it is 120V at 60Hz, nothing about being mulit-voltage.

I also haven't had all the audio problems using analog inputs mentioned in the article except the subwoofer level is too low and needs to be boosted.Make sure HDMI Audio is set to off, and if you're using one of the more recent Pioneer receivers, there is an option to boost analog SW level by +10db.

I have no problem bring up the test patterns on the Sony discs I've tried.Me, neither.

Normal letterboxing.


I thought letterboxing was when you had black bars on all four sides.
4:3 is bars on the side.
2.35 etc., would be bars on the top and bottom, wide aspect ratio.

Correct?

I got the Panasonic BD10 for Christmas. I have followed these threads for a while and would like to thank all for the valuable information.

Have a couple of questions, however. The BD10 is hooked up to my Pioneer Elite 82TX receiver via HDMI. I set all HDMI options in the BD10. I hooked the receiver to my Pioneer Elite model 610 HD 1080i rear projection TV via component cables (no HDMI input). I did not get any video with these connections, but I did get audio. I then added component cables from the BD10 to the receiver, along with the HDMI cable, and kept the HDMI settings in the BD10. I got a picture on the TV. I'm not sure why the picture is not passing through the HDMI cable from the Panasonic Blu-Ray through the receiver to the TV without the compnonet cables also attached? When playing a Blu-Ray disc, the receiver is showing HDMI signals? So, am I passing video to the receiver through the HDMI, or just through the component video cables for 10801, or both?

Also, when watching the included 8 Below BD movie, I noticed a problem. I saw a yellow irregular shaped smudge about 6-8" by 4-5" on the right center of the screen, most pronounced during the white out snow scenes. I'm not sure if this is with all movies, as I can't seem to pick it up in color/darker scenes. Anyone have an idea about this situation?

Hi!

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before (I can't find it anayway) but is it possible to make the Panasonic player region free for DVDs?

Back to Tweaks/Settings

1) Is there any benefit to using the "Picture" adjustments in movie [Normal, Soft, Fine, Cinema, User]?

2) Does anyone use the "Dialog enhancer" on the audio? Seems good if you're watching at a low level to boost the dialog. Haven't tried it when listening at full level yet.

3) Is Contrast -1 and brightness +1 the best setting we have so far?

4) What about "Black Level Control"? Darker or Lighter?

Back to Tweaks/Settings[U]

1) Is there any benefit to using the "Picture" adjustments in movie [Normal, Soft, Fine, Cinema, User]?

2) Does anyone use the "Dialog enhancer" on the audio? Seems good if you're watching at a low level to boost the dialog. Haven't tried it when listening at full level yet.

3) Is Contrast -1 and brightness +1 the best setting we have so far?

4) What about "Black Level Control"? Darker or Lighter?

1.) You would select the "User" setting if you made adjustments to contrast, brightness, etc.

2.) I use the dialogue enhancer on the audio. I also have it set in my receiver. I did notice a slight enhancement as compared to just through the receiver setting. I have all speakers (2 sets of surrounds, front, center channel) in my receiver set to small, and using (2) sub woofers. It works well for my set-up at all levels.

3.) I have contrast set to -1, brightness set to +1, and sharpness set to +1. I think it would depend on your display and equipment, but, these settings did seem to be the best suited of the many I tried.

4.) I tried the black level - darker and the lighter setting. I think it depends on the specific movie. I do prefer the darker level for most movies so far.

1.) You would select the "User" setting if you made adjustments to contrast, brightness, etc.

2.) I use the dialogue enhancer on the audio. I also have it set in my receiver. I did notice a slight enhancement as compared to just through the receiver setting. I have all speakers (2 sets of surrounds, front, center channel) in my receiver set to small, and using (2) sub woofers. It works well for my set-up at all levels.

3.) I have contrast set to -1, brightness set to +1, and sharpness set to +1. I think it would depend on your display and equipment, but, these settings did seem to be the best suited of the many I tried.

4.) I tried the black level - darker and the lighter setting. I think it depends on the specific movie. I do prefer the darker level for most movies so far.
beden1,
Thanks for the answers.

1) duh, thanks (and I mean duh on my part)
2) I think I like it as well, that's always been an issue for me
3) thanks
4) thanks

Hello,

at first - sorry for my bad english - i hope i can explain my problem with
the Panasonic BD Player...

My combination is BD->Yamaha 2600->HC3100

When i set up the Panasonic to 720p and turn it off
then next day - the settings will be at "automatic"

Pani will not remember these settings - why?
can anyone test this with another Panasonic?


thanks and greetings from germany

Michael

Hi all,

I have read and searched this thread and some of the reviews of this player, and come to the following conclusions about some matters:

1. The included remote leaves a lot to be desired, but can be substituted for a backlit and more handy remote like the Harmony 880 for example.
2. The component output will give 1080p, but NOT when upconverting a SD DVD.
3. The built in fan does not have a disturbing or intruding noise level.
True?

Thomas

Hi all,

I have read and searched this thread and some of the reviews of this player, and come to the following conclusions about some matters:

1. The included remote leaves a lot to be desired, but can be substituted for a backlit and more handy remote like the Harmony 880 for example.
2. The component output will give 1080p, but NOT when upconverting a SD DVD.
3. The built in fan does not have a disturbing or intruding noise level.
True?

Thomas1. True on both counts. I have an 880 and it works perfectly with the Panny. I had to program it myself, though, as the Panny model number somehow corresponds to a DVD recorder profile in Logitech's database.
2. Not sure about component 1080p output, but SD DVD limitation is correct.
3. True.

Thanks bferr1,

I still have to make my mind up about what format to choose, but if BD the Panny will be the player of choise.

Thomas

Thanks bferr1,

I still have to make my mind up about what format to choose, but if BD the Panny will be the player of choise.

ThomasYou bet. If you have any questions, just shoot. An informed choice is the best choice you can make.

Available movie titles in the future will be important to me, currently BD seems to have an advantage there with larger studio support.

I am curious to what a distributor like Criterion Collection will choose for their HD format, that will be an important factor for me.

Thomas

I have the panny blu-ray player. To the other owners, when you put in a movie do you get a loud accessing sound before the movie starts. I had the toshiba HD DVD and don't remember a sound like this. It almost sounds like a computer harddrive accessing data. Any thoughts?

Hello, i am from Spain, and yesterday bought a DMP-BD10. I have connected to a TV with DVI-HDMI Cable. And I cant change the resolution in HDMI menu, it was selected always in Auto. I want to compare the image from 720p to 1080i.

Also, in the movie Fantastic 4 (the only one that i have), the image goes slow sometimes.

What can I do, is it normal all this?

I have the panny blu-ray player. To the other owners, when you put in a movie do you get a loud accessing sound before the movie starts. I had the toshiba HD DVD and don't remember a sound like this. It almost sounds like a computer harddrive accessing data. Any thoughts?
Yes, it does make an access noise on initial read, but I never hear it after that. I have the Toshiba A2 and although it makes a little access noise, not as loud as the Panny. It's normal.

I am hoping that Panasonic will release a firmware update to enable its otherwise excellent Ist generation Blu Ray player to output 1080p-24 directly.

This is in order to eliminate the 3:2 pulldown steps inherent in a 60Hz signal. The first Blu-ray and HD DVD players output 60Hz signals. The very latest (Pioneer and Sony) also have "source direct outputs at 1080p-24Hz).

Are there others keen for this?

How could we best inform Panasonic that we want this feature?

Yes, it does make an access noise on initial read, but I never hear it after that. I have the Toshiba A2 and although it makes a little access noise, not as loud as the Panny. It's normal.


Thought so...Thanks

I also haven't had all the audio problems using analog inputs mentioned in the article except the subwoofer level is too low and needs to be boosted.

I agree. The LFE is a bit anemic on the Panny out of the analogue outs.

Also this:
I have no problem bring up the test patterns on the Sony discs I've tried.

Neither do I, but I don't use the Panny remote, I use a Sony RM-AX4000. I can't recall if I ever tried using the supplied remote to bring up the test patterns.

I also have some suggestions for features I'd like them to add in the next FW update: I'd like to be able to see the current video bitrate and codec, and also the audio codec/bitrate.

I agree. The LFE is a bit anemic on the Panny out of the analogue outs.Some receivers can compensate for this by boosting the analog SW signal by 10dB. My Pioneer receiver can do it, and the analog audio sound unbelievable!

I am hoping that Panasonic will release a firmware update to enable its otherwise excellent Ist generation Blu Ray player to output 1080p-24 directly.

This is in order to eliminate the 3:2 pulldown steps inherent in a 60Hz signal. The first Blu-ray and HD DVD players output 60Hz signals. The very latest (Pioneer and Sony) also have "source direct outputs at 1080p-24Hz).

Are there others keen for this?

How could we best inform Panasonic that we want this feature?

I hope that to, but do anyone know if it`s even technical possible to do it? or is there some hardware limitation???

Some receivers can compensate for this by boosting the analog SW signal by 10dB. My Pioneer receiver can do it, and the analog audio sound unbelievable!

I have the 10db boost turned on in my receiver, and the Panasonic is still thin, that's the problem. I'm not really complaining, mind you, I think the Panasonic sounds great, it's just that its LFE sounds a little weak in comparison to all my other components when using the analogue outs or when going through the digital outs and letting my A/V receiver decode. Unfortunately, the DMP-BD10 offers no way to boost the sub's output in the multichannel setup, only to lower it.

I hope that to, but do anyone know if it`s even technical possible to do it? or is there some hardware limitation???


re: 1080p-24 output upgrade to Panasonic

I thought that I read somewhere that it should be technically possible. Any experts out there?

Can anyone tell me if the fan on the player comes on when they turn the unit on or does it wait to come on after the unit heats up?

Can anyone tell me if the fan on the player comes on when they turn the unit on or does it wait to come on after the unit heats up?
the fan will only come on if the unit gets too warm.

I have the 10db boost turned on in my receiver, and the Panasonic is still thin, that's the problem. I'm not really complaining, mind you, I think the Panasonic sounds great, it's just that its LFE sounds a little weak in comparison to all my other components when using the analogue outs or when going through the digital outs and letting my A/V receiver decode. Unfortunately, the DMP-BD10 offers no way to boost the sub's output in the multichannel setup, only to lower it.

Yes, that would be the perfect solution if the Panasonic Blu-ray player allowed you to boost the SW signal.

I have a later model Pioneer and I approached the problem by turning up the signal on my subwoofer which is the now my "default" setting. The Blu-ray discs using analog sound wonderful this way. Then, I went into the receiver's set-up menu and lowered the subwoofer signal for all my digital connections which I use for my music/HD DVD/DVD media.

I have the 10db boost turned on in my receiver, and the Panasonic is still thin, that's the problem. I'm not really complaining, mind you, I think the Panasonic sounds great, it's just that its LFE sounds a little weak in comparison to all my other components when using the analogue outs or when going through the digital outs and letting my A/V receiver decode. Unfortunately, the DMP-BD10 offers no way to boost the sub's output in the multichannel setup, only to lower it.My experience with the analogs happily has been very different. There's only one other thing I could suggest doing if you're not already doing it. Make sure that HDMI Audio Output is turned off under the HDMI tab in the Setup menu, as leaving it on negatively affects analog output.

Yes, that would be the perfect solution if the Panasonic Blu-ray player allowed you to boost the SW signal.

I have a later model Pioneer and I approached the problem by turning up the signal on my subwoofer which is the now my "default" setting. The Blu-ray discs using analog sound wonderful this way. Then, I went into the receiver's set-up menu and lowered the subwoofer signal for all my digital connections which I use for my music/HD DVD/DVD media.

Unfortunately, not only is my Panasonic sharing the 7.1 analogue inputs on my receiver with my Denon DVD-2200 universal via a Zektor 5.1 multichannel switch (the two surround back channels from the Panny go directly to the receiver) but my receiver also has a set of 5.1 analogue inputs into which I have a Sony SCD-XA9000ES SACD/CD player connected. Boosting the sub solely for the Panasonic is not an option. I'm thinking what I may do is lower the other channels in the Panasonic by 3db, that way, on playback the LFE will be 3db louder than everything else, but I would just have to turn the A/V receiver up louder by 3db when using the Panasonic's analogue output.

My experience with the analogs happily has been very different. There's only one other thing I could suggest doing if you're not already doing it. Make sure that HDMI Audio Output is turned off under the HDMI tab in the Setup menu, as leaving it on negatively affects analog output.


This is how I have it set. :)

I've also noticed that when setting the speaker sizes in a 7.1 setup, the Panasonic will not allow me to set the surround and surround back speakers to different sizes. :confused: This is a problem for me, as I use two satellites for my surround back L/R speakers and need them to be set as 'small', but set everything else as large. Has anyone else noticed this?

the fan will only come on if the unit gets too warm.


Thanks for the confirmation :)

This is how I have it set. :)Hmm. Still trying to find ways to resolve your LFE problem, because I am having totally different results with the same player. You've probably done this already, but Dynamic Compression and BD Button Sound are off? These also impact audio negatively.

Beyond that, I'm out of ideas.

Hmm. Still trying to find ways to resolve your LFE problem, because I am having totally different results with the same player. You've probably done this already, but Dynamic Compression and BD Button Sound are off? These also impact audio negatively.

Beyond that, I'm out of ideas.

Yep, I've done all of that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the Panasonic sounds bad, just that the LFE sounds a bit weak. I'm thinking the solution may be the last option I posted - to lower all the other channels thereby leaving the LFE a bit higher than everything else.

Now, the other problem I have, for which I see no solution, is the fact that it will not allow me to set the surround and surround back channels as different sizes. Now, this is one setting that really makes no sense to me whatsoever. :confused: I suppose I have no option but to set them both to 'small', as my surround back L/R are both micro- satellites and setting them as 'large' is not an option whatsoever.

Really, the BM an time alignment in the DMP-BD10 is some of the worst I've ever seen, IMO. :rolleyes: There's no ability to set the delay/distance for the sub, no ability to boost the LFE; you can't set the surround and surround back speakers to different sizes - who thinks these things through?

On another note, does anyone know what the crossover is in the Panny when all speakers are set to large?

On another note, does anyone know what the crossover is in the Panny when all speakers are set to large?I think it's set at 100, with no ability to raise or lower it.

I think it's set at 100, with no ability to raise or lower it.


The crossover is 100 when all speakers are set to large? :confused: Isn't that sort of high? I thought it was around 160 or something when set to small, 100 when set to large seems odd.

On another note, does anyone know what the crossover is in the Panny when all speakers are set to large?If all speakers are set to large (as in full range) then there should no crossover.

If all speakers are set to large (as in full range) then there should no crossover.

:eek: Doh! That's true. Dumb question on my part. :)

And even dumber answer on my part. :o

Has anyone had a hard time getting the center channel to output 75 db's when calibrating. I can get all other speakers adjusted to reference but the center speaker I can only get to within 5 db's of reference. I wish you could increase the db's as well as decrease them. Kinda strange but I love the PQ and AQ of the Panny for both BD and SD DVD's. In my opinion it is definately the nicest all purpose BD player out including the new Pioneer.

Has there been any word on the new audio codecs recently?

Has there been any word on the new audio codecs recently?

AFAIK, the FW update is still scheduled for April.

Thanks

I think it's set at 100, with no ability to raise or lower it.

That really should be adjustable...IIRC, THX is an 80 crossover.
(I have THX equipment all around). ;)

That really should be adjustable...IIRC, THX is an 80 crossover.
(I have THX equipment all around). ;)


Even 80 is too high, IMO.

Where is Kris Deering's review of the HD performance of this player?? :confused:

Has there been any word on the new audio codecs recently?

It there was even a rumor about a change, it would have had three new threads.

I am anxiously awaiting the delivery of a new DMP-BD10 from Value Electronics and have gained lots of valuable information from this thread, especially while sorting it all out and then finally deciding to make the leap into Blu-ray with the Panasonic, so thanks to all of you who have participated.

My current DVD player, a Panny RP91, has provided excellent service for a number of years and I expect the BD10 will do the same. Since the RP91 has 5-1 analog out, I'll only need to replace the component video cables with HDMI to complete the swap and I've got the cable ready and waiting.

I was kind of hoping that more Blu-ray players would provide DVD-Audio compatibility but since Sony was in the SACD camp during that battle, it seems unlikely. I love the format and would not mind a resurgence of interest and available titles but I think that may just be a pipe dream.

I will post my experience with and impressions of the BD10 as soon as I've got some.

Sorry if this has been discussed, I didn't see it in my brief glossing over this thread....Does anyone know if our Pannys will ever be able to do 1080P/24?...Thanx.... :)

II was kind of hoping that more Blu-ray players would provide DVD-Audio compatibility but since Sony was in the SACD camp during that battle, it seems unlikely. I love the format and would not mind a resurgence of interest and available titles but I think that may just be a pipe dream.


MP3 killed DVD-A and SACD.
Low-rez audio killed hi-rez audio. :eek:

I think I need another Zoloft... :(

Sorry if this has been discussed, I didn't see it in my brief glossing over this thread....Does anyone know if our Pannys will ever be able to do 1080P/24?...Thanx.... :)

Yeah, is anybody from Panasonic out there with some info?

Your competitors are doing it. How about you?

Sorry if this has been discussed, I didn't see it in my brief glossing over this thread....Does anyone know if our Pannys will ever be able to do 1080P/24?...Thanx.... :)


thats one of the question I like the ****** journalist at CES to ask, another is, will first genaration blue-ray players support 100GB or 200GB discs in the future? but there only interest is drinking the free liquor!

coast I sent a PM about that RP91 ;)

-Gary

This is really for Panasonic owners that have the Blu-Ray and the SA-XR700. I have gone neutral and have owned the BD for 3 days and the SA-XR700 for 10 days. I'm pretty impressed so far. My questions are about the analog outs. HDMI seems to work perfect for me. DVD Audio use seems great also. I just can't seem to get analog sound with a picture at the same time. If you can picture this, I can have Blu-ray sound with the receiver set at DVD 6CH but there is no picture. Then I can set the receiver to DVD (HDMI) setting and the picture will appear but there will be no sound using analog. However I can just run the component cable directly to the Sony TV from the Blu-Ray and use analog just fine.
So what am I complaining about I hear you cry,just do that ! Well I would but I want the same set up for my old Toshiba HDA1. Sorry if this is long but I did search through this site before posting and I've been through the manuals.
I did notice that composite video does work when in the DVD6CH but what good is that for Blu-Ray.
My last question is How come the Panasonic receiver has 5.1 analog inputs but the Panny Blu-Ray has 7.1 analog outs. Where do I plug in the the 2 rear surrounds ?
Thanks for reading and suffering through this. I know I can just stick with HDMI which is great but I just wanted to have the option.

This is really for Panasonic owners that have the Blu-Ray and the SA-XR700. I have gone neutral and have owned the BD for 3 days and the SA-XR700 for 10 days. I'm pretty impressed so far. My questions are about the analog outs. HDMI seems to work perfect for me. DVD Audio use seems great also. I just can't seem to get analog sound with a picture at the same time. If you can picture this, I can have Blu-ray sound with the receiver set at DVD 6CH but there is no picture. Then I can set the receiver to DVD (HDMI) setting and the picture will appear but there will be no sound using analog. However I can just run the component cable directly to the Sony TV from the Blu-Ray and use analog just fine.
So what am I complaining about I hear you cry,just do that ! Well I would but I want the same set up for my old Toshiba HDA1. Sorry if this is long but I did search through this site before posting and I've been through the manuals.
I did notice that composite video does work when in the DVD6CH but what good is that for Blu-Ray.
My last question is How come the Panasonic receiver has 5.1 analog inputs but the Panny Blu-Ray has 7.1 analog outs. Where do I plug in the the 2 rear surrounds ?
Thanks for reading and suffering through this. I know I can just stick with HDMI which is great but I just wanted to have the option.
Ive got the same setup..... Make sure you turn off audio HDMI in the settings on the BD player but why not just use HDMI?

Never mind! I cleaned the disc 8 below and it now plays just fine!

DOH! :D

Since Firmware version 1.4 is now available, should any picture settings be changed?
(I have contrast at -1 and brightness at +1, with the rest at 0)

If the BTB issue WAS fixed with 1.4, then yes.

This is probably a dumb question, but has anyone heard whether the upcoming firmware update for TrueHD and DTS-HD audio will work over the 7.1 analog connection? My pre/pro (Outlaw 990) doesn't have HDMI 1.1+ support, so my only way to get the high-def audio formats (short of buying a new pre/pro) is to get the player to do the decoding and send the signal over the eight RCA cables.

Since Firmware version 1.4 is now available, should any picture settings be changed?
(I have contrast at -1 and brightness at +1, with the rest at 0)
You were never suppose to set it that way to begin with. This whole thing started with Spears or Deering saying if set that way, you could get blacker than black.... they also said it wasnt worth the negative effect on PQ.
Leave it set to 0 and use Avia or something and use the controls on your display to calibrate if needed.

This is probably a dumb question, but has anyone heard whether the upcoming firmware update for TrueHD and DTS-HD audio will work over the 7.1 analog connection? My pre/pro (Outlaw 990) doesn't have HDMI 1.1+ support, so my only way to get the high-def audio formats (short of buying a new pre/pro) is to get the player to do the decoding and send the signal over the eight RCA cables.


Supposedly, the update will allow the player to decode the new advanced audio codecs (Dolby TrueHD; DTS-HD MA) and output them at full resolution through the analogue outs and through the HDMI output as LPCM.

Concise and clear... thanks.

Concise and clear... thanks.

You're welcome. :)

Supposedly, the update will allow the player to decode the new advanced audio codecs (Dolby TrueHD; DTS-HD MA) and output them at full resolution through the analogue outs and through the HDMI output as LPCM.
Not to get too picky, but they never refer to it as DTS-HD masters... only DTS-HD. So technically it may only be DTS-HD high resolution.

Not to get too picky, but they never refer to it as DTS-HD masters... only DTS-HD. So technically it may only be DTS-HD high resolution.

That's true, I stand corrected. I sure hope it is just a case of semantics though. :rolleyes:

That's true, I stand corrected. I sure hope it is just a case of semantics though. :rolleyes:
Im sure it is masters but lets keep our fingers crossed anyways! :)

Technically, it already supports DTS-HD (anyone who owns a Lionsgate or Fox title knows that). So why would they announce an upgrade for something they already support? Its for Master Audio.

Anyone know anything about the DMP-BD10K, as it is now listed at Best Buy and shown at CES.

Any real advances, or just the latest firmware?

that is Panasonics designation for Black and is the actual model # of the player, like the DVD-RP91K, they use S for silver and N for champagne

-Gary

Ahh, Thanks Gary. I was confused because on the bits they billed it as Panasonic's "new" Blu-ray player.

Technically, it already supports DTS-HD (anyone who owns a Lionsgate or Fox title knows that). So why would they announce an upgrade for something they already support? Its for Master Audio.
I got all those titles and I didnt know it. I dont see DTS HD high resolution in the set-up options like I see Dolby plus???? I guess I could just be ignorant. :o

Hmm, seeing the details about this firmware update improving PQ, etc. plus the one that was announced to come later to enable the advanced audio formats, is tempting me to return my problem-free Sony BDP-S1 (return period ends this weekend) and exchange it for the Panny. :confused:

Hmm, seeing the details about this firmware update improving PQ, etc. plus the one that was announced to come later to enable the advanced audio formats, is tempting me to return my problem-free Sony BDP-S1 (return period ends this weekend) and exchange it for the Panny. :confused:


I wouldnt be so quick to do this. The Sony has 1080p24 output support and nothing has yet been announced anywhere to suggest that the Panasonic will have its firmware updated to enable this.

I got all those titles and I didnt know it. I dont see DTS HD high resolution in the set-up options like I see Dolby plus???? I guess I could just be ignorant. :o

DTS-HD Master Audio (which Fox/MGM titles have) is a DTS-HD core with lossless extensions. So, if you can put the disc in your player and listen to the DTS-HD Master Audio track, then you are listening to the lossy DTS-HD core (since no players support Master Audio at this time). The Panasonic can play these tracks. Also, some Lionsgate films - like Total Recall - come with a DTS-HD track. The Panasonic also has no problem playing this track.

So yes, the Panasonic does support DTS-HD right now. Its the Master Audio we are missing, and that is what will be added.

Technically, it already supports DTS-HD (anyone who owns a Lionsgate or Fox title knows that). So why would they announce an upgrade for something they already support? Its for Master Audio.

It does not support DTS-HD because it does not decode the advanced codec, it only extracts the core dts stream, usually 1500k, and outputs that. The same goes for Dolby TrueHD, the Panasonic for now only extracts the Dolby Digital core and outputs that (see Legends of Jazz with Ramsey Lewis) This is why they included a card in the box stating that they would upgrade the firmware allowing the player to decode Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD. For now, the FW upgrade is scheduled for April.

It does not support DTS-HD because it does not decode the advanced codec, it only extracts the core dts stream, usually 1500k, and outputs that. The same goes for Dolby TrueHD, the Panasonic for now only extracts the Dolby Digital core and outputs that (see Legends of Jazz with Ramsey Lewis) This is why they included a card in the box stating that they would upgrade the firmware allowing the player to decode Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD. For now, the FW upgrade is scheduled for April.

According to DTS, Master Audio has a DTS-HD core. DTS-HD itself does not have a core. I can play both the DTS Master Audio Core (Fox/MGM titles) and DTS-HD tracks (Lionsgate ex: Total Recall) on my Panasonic just fine.

According to DTS, Master Audio has a DTS-HD core. DTS-HD itself does not have a core. I can play both the DTS Master Audio Core (Fox/MGM titles) and DTS-HD tracks (Lionsgate ex: Total Recall) on my Panasonic just fine.

But, what does any of this have to do with the player being able to decode the advanced codecs? It cannot. That is the point, and that is why the card was included in the box. Panasonic announced the update for April. The card included with the player clearly stated the FW would be upgraded to support decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD. That's straight from Panasonic.

If the player actually decoded DTS-HD and TrueHD, there would be no need for a firmware upgrade, but it doesn't, and there is a need. Right now, all we get is core dts and core DD. That's all.

But, what does any of this have to do with the player being able to decode the advanced codecs? It cannot. That is the point, and that is why the card was included in the box. Panasonic announced the update for April. The card included with the player clearly stated the FW would be upgraded to support decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD. That's straight from Panasonic.

If the player actually decoded DTS-HD and TrueHD, there would be no need for a firmware upgrade, but it doesn't, and there is a need. Right now, all we get is core dts and core DD. That's all.

I think you are confusing DTS-HD with DTS-HD Master Audio. The discussion at hand is whether Panasonic meant DTS-HD Master Audio when they actually just put DTS-HD on the card, or if they only expect to support DTS-HD (which the player already supports). My argument is that, because the player already supports DTS-HD, they would not announce future support for the format, and that they must have meant DTS-HD Master Audio.