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Hi
Is the R1 going to have a DTS track when it is released on dec 5th?
Brian
Pradesian
11-26-06, 01:58 PM
Not looking good, Brian. According to the Disney DVD site, it will only be offered in DD 5.1.
Shane Martin
11-26-06, 03:52 PM
Maybe the 3 disc edition coming in May of 07 will have it?
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/4066/potcrn6.jpg
kevinp8192
11-26-06, 04:49 PM
I preferred the DD track on the first one anyway. Not a big concern. Maybe leaving off DTS will mean it can have better PQ than the first.
Ok thanks guys i was thinking of ordering the Japanese R2 as it has DTS if the R1 didn't have it.
Regards
Brian
Geoff9920
11-27-06, 02:18 PM
Amazon has a two disk version (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005JP0F/ref=wl_it_dp/104-7818786-7891112?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2I80233ZV0HIR&colid=29URZ9ZC178A0) with DTS listed. This is in addition to the DD5.1 single disk.
robertc88
12-02-06, 07:45 AM
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=25332
I'll be picking up the two disc set on Tuesday. The extras are worth it to me. While no DTS and I'm sure there will be gripes about that, it isn't the end of the world for me as I just gotta have this movie in my collection now!! :)
Amazon has a two disk version (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005JP0F/ref=wl_it_dp/104-7818786-7891112?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2I80233ZV0HIR&colid=29URZ9ZC178A0) with DTS listed. This is in addition to the DD5.1 single disk.
The listed "audio tracks" don't mention DTS, but mention it among "formats".
Disney will probably be releasing a Blu-Ray version soon.
And it would have advanced audio codecs. ;)
btiltman
12-02-06, 05:33 PM
Ok thanks guys i was thinking of ordering the Japanese R2 as it has DTS if the R1 didn't have it.
Our R4 version (Australia) has a DTS track too.
robertc88
12-03-06, 09:41 AM
I believe Blockbuster has some sort of promo if one is amongst the first to buy the DVD from them. We all know their prices are high though for new releases generally.
Walmart, Best Buy, Circuit City and the like will probably have some type of promo also. I think Circuit City is giving away a small can of dirt if I read correctly from the DVDtalk forum.
Whatever!! :)
I'm hoping not to spend more than $19.99 for the two disc set.
Digital2004
12-03-06, 05:06 PM
the UK edition has DTS and the picture is amazing (for a dvd) without EE (which was visible on all THX editions of the first episode !! which is a shame for THX label)
SbWillie
12-03-06, 07:56 PM
I was not impressed with the surround sound @ the theater...aling with the movie itself!
minaelromany
12-04-06, 12:55 AM
The R2 version available here in Egypt has both DD 5.1 and DTS 5.1 tracks .
To my amazement , both tracks are IDENTICAL !!!! :eek:
I've never seen this with a single DVD I watched containing the two sound formats , there is always somekind of difference , DTS not neccessarily better but at least louder , but with POTC DMC , there is NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL !
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3893/picture032zj9.jpg
A very good popcorn movie. The audio is very active.
MidLife
12-04-06, 09:44 PM
I picked up some popcorn tubs and am very excited about this release tomorrow! I haven't seen it yet, but, the popcorn should be good! :D
Is there a DTS release? What to look for at Walrmart?
https://www.onlinehometheateraccessories.com/images/1158190972204636363065.gif
This movie (unlike the first) is low on charm and became looooooooooooooong.
SbWillie
12-05-06, 09:20 AM
This movie (unlike the first) is low on charm and became looooooooooooooong.
darker as well..I could see some 8-10 year olds watching the first one but this one's a little too much with the executions...(not really spoiling anything) :D
Shane Martin
12-05-06, 11:43 PM
Is there a DTS release? What to look for at Walrmart?
No DTS edition in the USA. With no difference at all if true, that's reason enough to leave it off.
karlw2000
12-06-06, 02:25 AM
PQ was the same as the first. IOW - lousy. Give it a 3. I did watch the whole thing. It was indeed long.
The audio was awesome though. I never gush over the latest action flick soundtrack. In fact, when asked for demo discs, I rarely reply cuz I only have a small handful that are truly reference in my opinion. Others seem to list off every action movie ever released.
I prefer THX ULTRA2 + DD5.1. Using bipoles surrounds in 7.1 config. Symmetrical speaker placement in rectangular dedicated HT. Sub calibrated with Velodyne SMS-1.
POTC2 is a reference disc for me. Truly seamless, enveloping, engaging, believable. Other mixes are front heavy, others have gimmicky surround action, others have overcooked bass (Tokyo Drift, The Island, Haunting DTS). Dialogue was clear and during the 2.5h runtime, I never thought it sounded like ADR.
Bass is deep and visceral, but never overdone, as if it's trying to impress you. The bass from Davy Jones' heartbeats doesn't blast you or flap your proverbial pant leg, but rumbles at a more visceral and natural level that works to increase tension. The score when going full tilt didn't sound congested or bright. It was easy to keep turning the volume up because it was never glaring or harsh. My room does have the side walls treated though, as well as bass traps in all four corners. Surround action is superb. I know 4 bipoles and THX ULTRA2 go a long way in dispersing the rear soundstage compared to 2 monopoles, but I got completely lost in this mix. I love it! It fully deserves a place beside my #1 reference disc: Master and Commander (DTS).
robertc88
12-06-06, 06:37 AM
Only had a chance to watch the first hour of the movie last night. I have a Denon DVD1920, Denon AVR3803 and Monitor Audio Gold Reference speakers all the way around. I thought the picture and sound quality to be very very good. I suppose one's mileage will vary as always depending on what equipment they utilize but I don't have anything extraordinary when it comes to that.
Purchase the one disc DVD if you are on the fence for what to buy if you plan to own it or at least rent this one unless you were totally turned off by it if you saw it in the theater. I know I will eventually watch bits and pieces of this movie alot like I have done with the first movie for which I've lost count how many times it has been in my player. You savvy?? :)
SbWillie
12-06-06, 07:25 AM
Rented it ly'day because my wife wanted to see it again...absolute torture just to get through the first hour. :mad:
Rented it ly'day because my wife wanted to see it again...absolute torture just to get through the first hour. :mad:
LOL!
My wife, fortunately, is sparing me from that agony again. ;)
VIDEOKNG
12-06-06, 10:09 PM
Have it on tonight and it looks light years better than the regular DVD of Superman Returns.
Wasn't a big fan when I saw it at the movies but it plays a bit better here at home.
Sound is fantastic on my Onix Rocket setup. Good workout for my SVS sub.
robertc88
12-07-06, 06:45 AM
Not to mention that Superman Returns was agony and POTC was by and far a much much better movie IMHO. Another one I didn't care much for was Poseidon. POTC blows that away also in my book!
I finished watching the movie last night and opinions regarding the sound quality of this DVD are spot on. I'd have to say one of the best I've heard in quite awhile. I don't feel after watching all of it that the PQ rates as a very high mark but it was pretty good. I've seen much worse, that is for sure!
SbWillie
12-07-06, 07:39 AM
To each his own....we're returning it today,the second half unfinished. It's coming in the mail,BB Online, simply for my daughter to watch it this weekend even though she loved the first one and didn't really care about the 2nd.
POTC: DMC is way too long, IMO. The last third was worth the wait for me, though. I can see why people gave up on it. It took us two nights to get through this film. The second night was a better movie.
The EDGE ENHANCEMENT is awful! There is one shot where Depp (about 1/2 way through the film - Kyre is on the deck looking up at him) is looking skyward on his ship and a rope above him has huge ghosted parallel lines above and below it. And the EE lines seemingly have EE! Closeups look okay.
Sound is great!
I thought Superman Returns had less EE but also had less contrast and "Punch". I did like Superman Returns more than POTC (either one).
The Making Ofs in POTC: DMC seem good. We've only started the first one and it is pretty revealing about the problems with this film. The script was a huge problem.
David James
12-07-06, 11:04 AM
The EDGE ENHANCEMENT is awful!InterestingUnlike the first film's DVD release, this transfer is free of edge enhancement
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=246927
Ron Temple
12-07-06, 05:48 PM
I tried to watch this movie in the theater and couldn't stay off my cellphone...in and out...in and out...tried to watch this at home last night and couldn't stay awake. Sound was very good, PQ was decent, but I just couldn't get into the plot and the characters were just not interesting enough...except for DJ. Bill Nighy once again stole the show.
Interesting
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=246927
That is interesting. I guess my DVI/HDMI connection from my Bravo D1 to Optoma HD70 is introducing an edge enhancement to each object in this movie. I will check the exact timing where it can be seen. I would like others to see if they can see it. 9 feet from a 100" screen is a good way to see the truth of Edge Enhancement. It is there.
EDIT: Timing is: 1:32:46. I have moved up to the screen and zoomed a bit but that is EE. I don't see this on all films. My HDMI cable is 6 feet long. I have another cable and I will try it but I don't think it is the culprit. But if it is I want to know! :)
http://www.olypen.com/azzure/edgepotc2.JPG
Jerm357
12-07-06, 10:33 PM
Might be your $35 dvd player ;)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16882680001
DVD players introduce EE???
Never heard that before.
Sean Nelson
12-07-06, 11:29 PM
I tried to watch this movie in the theater and couldn't stay off my cellphone... :eek: Surely you're not the one who's been ruining everyone's theatre experience??!?!
Might be your $35 dvd player ;)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16882680001
:p :)
Seriously, this D1 really makes film look nice. I've been rediscovering some favorites. The look it gives is very "real".
I had a Panny RP-62 before and I'd grown used to films flowing smoothly and diagonal edges transiting in motion perfectly. The panny died a few weeks ago. And I was using all the cheap decks I use for other smaller, less "magnifying" displays. They didn't do well on the big screen. The D1 does. (But, it is finicky; Caveat Emptor, and the remote is not ergonomic.)
Sorry for all the OT - for this forum - talk. Won't happen again. :D
Ron Temple
12-08-06, 02:40 AM
:eek: Surely you're not the one who's been ruining everyone's theatre experience??!?!Tried not to...had it on vibrate and kept having to leave...putting out fires. Sure ruined my experience :D
You didn't miss much, Ron... ;)
Cyrano,
Oppo makes a couple of very nice inexpensive players too.
I use the Oppo 970HD and it is way better than my old D1. :)
I don't see much EE but then again I don't obsess over it at all like some others.
This DVD was actually very nice compared to some recent big releases.Too bad the movie sucked.
Cyrano,
Oppo makes a couple of very nice inexpensive players too.
I use the Oppo 970HD and it is way better than my old D1. :)
Hi Oink,
Here's (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8286891&highlight=oppo#post8286891) a link you've probably seen before but it is in a thread where some Oppo owners have preferred the PQ of the D1.
The D1 connected via component is one of the worst decks there is. Its frequency response is terrible. When connected via DVI (straight to an HDMI) the picture is incredible. It really is! But one does need to do the Capacitor replacement. And the D1 is not really very user-friendly - but at $35 it's a champ. And, as I said, the PQ is excellent, IMO. (via DVI/HDMI Only)
The OPPO costs more and I have computers and monitors to buy (video editing) so I try and get the best I can for the least I can in each area. Some (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8778216&highlight=oppo#post8778216)users prefer the D1 over their Oppo. (This is a specific post)
My next DVD player will be the winner of the HD/BLUray fight. :D
I don't see much EE but then again I don't obsess over it at all like some others.
This DVD was actually very nice compared to some recent big releases.
What equipment are you watching on and how far are you from the screen?
I view several films a week and this is one of the worst examples of EE I've seen in a while. Is it an obsession to see "what is"? Maybe.
I like to make the PQ as good as I can so I can get into each film. And not think about technical concerns.
To dismiss an artifact as a personality disorder doesn't improve the view. ;) But if you don't notice it - good for you. :)
If I did not see the EE I would not mention it. (It is there: see pic above) From 9' I can see excessive EE (EEE? :eek: ) on our 100" HD70 PJ in a couple of shots in POTC: DMC. This is unusual. Watching this close does allow artifacts to become large enough to become part of the scene.
EE can be hidden "in the foliage" and never noticed, but will still be making the image much less clear than it could be.
I thought the PQ was pretty good except for the EE I noticed. On our 50" the PQ looks excellent, but it's an old analog RPTV (That refuses to die) that we sit 10 feet from.
I thought the movie was 1/2 hour too long and poorly written. The last third is the best part.
JMO - :)
BTW: See THIS (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9111878#post9111878) post for an interesting example of expectations and perception.
The pic Cyrano posted is the exact shot I noticed today that really stood out. I'm using a Rotel RDV-1050. The sound was great. LFE didn't seem to be consistant, though. Some scenes when I expected to feel a shake or two, nothing happened. Although, when they shoot the triple guns, I did feel that one. So did the plates in the kitchen. I'm using a Velodyne HGS 18.
Mercury&Solace
12-10-06, 04:15 PM
I love this movie. I will be picking it up, then probably end up double dipping in May of 07, and give my bro the 2 disc.
Here's (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8286891&highlight=oppo#post8286891) a link you've probably seen before but it is in a thread where some Oppo owners have preferred the PQ of the D1.
The D1 connected via component is one of the worst decks there is. Its frequency response is terrible. When connected via DVI (straight to an HDMI) the picture is incredible. It really is! But one does need to do the Capacitor replacement. And the D1 is not really very user-friendly - but at $35 it's a champ. And, as I said, the PQ is excellent, IMO. (via DVI/HDMI Only)
The OPPO costs more and I have computers and monitors to buy (video editing) so I try and get the best I can for the least I can in each area. Some (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8778216&highlight=oppo#post8778216)users prefer the D1 over their Oppo. (This is a specific post)
My next DVD player will be the winner of the HD/BLUray fight. :D
Now, you have inspired me to dig out my old D1 for a little 480i DVI/HDMI shoot-out with my 970. :eek:
I use the DVDO VP50 to a Samsung 56" DLP.
Also using the Panny BD player.
Haven't decided whether to use it for DVDs too and dump the other players.
A shoot-out is definitely in order... ;)
cjsm250
12-11-06, 02:12 AM
Well, I just picked up this movie tonight at Walmart, and am in the middle of watching it right now. But so far I'm somewhat disappointed. Like other posts say, it does seem overly long, and to drag somewhat, and it is darker. I was going to lend it to my brother so my 8 year old niece could watch it - she loved the first one. But from what I've seen so far, I don't think she'll like it. I'm a little surprised it was the mega blockbuster it was. Well, back to watching to movie. Hopefully, as one poster said, the last hour will pick up. If not, I'll be back cruising the net again out of boredom.
cjsm250
12-11-06, 03:27 AM
Well, I just finished watching it, and all I can say is, What the heck? A cliffhanger ending? Watching all of that and still not having it resolved?! I liked the last hour more then the first hour or so, but still, I'm dumbfounded...this was the mega blockbuster of the year, and one of the top of all time? I'm surprised it wasn't somewhat a flop. And all the great reveiws? Some must live in a parellel universe from me. Well, I watch it again in a few months. Perhaps I'll like it better a second viewing.
What equipment are you watching on and how far are you from the screen?
Oppo 970hd on Samsung HLS-5687W via HDMI about 9' distance.
Well, I just finished watching it, and all I can say is, What the heck? A cliffhanger ending? Watching all of that and still not having it resolved?! I liked the last hour more then the first hour or so, but still, I'm dumbfounded...this was the mega blockbuster of the year, and one of the top of all time? I'm surprised it wasn't somewhat a flop. And all the great reveiws? Some must live in a parellel universe from me. Well, I watch it again in a few months. Perhaps I'll like it better a second viewing.
It is the second part of a trilogy. It was meant to have the cliffhanger ending. Was it as good a middle movie as, say: "Empire Strikes Back"? Not for me.
Oppo 970hd on Samsung HLS-5687W via HDMI about 9' distance.
The EE pic above might not be as noticeable to you. (Not that it would bother you. ;))
EE indicates an unnecessarily compromised PQ even where it is not obvious, AFAIK.
But to each his own - Enjoy. :) That's a great viewing combo.
Now, you have inspired me to dig out my old D1 for a little 480i DVI/HDMI shoot-out with my 970. :eek:
I use the DVDO VP50 to a Samsung 56" DLP.
Also using the Panny BD player.
Haven't decided whether to use it for DVDs too and dump the other players.
A shoot-out is definitely in order... ;)
How well does the Panny play SD? Does it upconvert well?
You and thehun have the same setup. 970 and the Sammy.
So one can do interlaced with a DVI/HDMI connection? I do not have that option in the D1 menu that I can see. (the options are rather limited in the D1 menu)
I assume you have read some of the thread I linked. Your D1 might be one of the better quality earlier units. If not, the Cap replacement might be something to remember if it ever has trouble.
The upconverting of the D1 to the res of the display (mine is 720) is something that surprised me with its improvement. The DVE calibration disc showed much more detail in the resolution screens. I would imagine the Oppo exceeds the D1's sophistication and probably PQ - but it's worth a look. And if there is a choice try the DVI/HDMI route in progressive.
jbaracelona
12-11-06, 11:08 AM
Have D1 and Oppo DVD Players. Both have excellent PQ via DVI, but Bravo is hard to beat for PQ.
bgillyjcu
12-11-06, 11:27 AM
Give the Sony 75H a try. My PQ from it is very very very good!
The EE pic above might not be as noticeable to you. (Not that it would bother you. ;))
EE indicates an unnecessarily compromised PQ even where it is not obvious, AFAIK.
But to each his own - Enjoy. :) That's a great viewing combo.
Thanks, I'm expecting an ISF calibrator today too.
To be honest after seeing HD via cable the limitations of the standard DVD is very obvious even when it's done right. I'm like you waiting to see of who wins[maybe both] the HD war and buy a player then.
PooperScooper
12-11-06, 04:36 PM
EE indicates an unnecessarily compromised PQ even where it is not obvious, AFAIK. Correct. If there wasn't any EE on this disc, it wouldn't be a true sequel to the first one. :) From the way I read it, it seems this disc is quite like the first wrt PQ.
larry
How well does the Panny play SD? Does it upconvert well?
The Panny ouputs 480p, 720p, 1080i, thru HDMI for DVDs.
I don't use it for upconverting...I have the VP50 for that purpose.
Kris Deering has reviewed the DVD side of the Panny.
Check it out over at Secrets. ;)
So one can do interlaced with a DVI/HDMI connection? I do not have that option in the D1 menu that I can see. (the options are rather limited in the D1 menu)
For DVDs, the Panny does not output 480i thru HDMI; the Oppo does.
Your D1 might be one of the better quality earlier units.
Yes, I believe it is. :)
Okay, I'm way OT for this forum but let me ask Oink this question (or anyone who knows): Is there a way to display the Remaining Time on a DVD with the D1? Perhaps the earlier models had a way to do so. I don't know. This has been asked in the other forum and the answer is no.
But maybe someone knows a secret key combo or something?
:confused:
Gosh, I don't know.
I haven't used the D1 in ages.
Spongeworthy
12-11-06, 08:07 PM
Might be your $35 dvd player ;) It's not your D1. It's probably the sharpness setting on your projector. Using any sharpness setting other than standard will degrade the image by adding Edge Enhancement.
Look at post # 1743 in the InFocus 4805 (854x480) and Vinc. Bravo D1 Specific Thread for some guidance.
Cyrano: I didn't believe you at first but I do see it also. My sharpness on my BenQ8720 is -3. Default is 0 and generally, the picture is smooth. I'm just saying it so people don't accuse me of running it sharp. Fed by Pioneer Elite DV79AVi HDMI, firing onto 120" Dalite Cosmo Video spectra screen
But seriously though, at 13ft away, it's so hard to see. I had to walk up close enough to see the pixels in order to see it. If this jumps out at you, then you're not watching the movie. It's not just on the telescope, it's on the ratlines as well. I'm sure one could pick out flaws in every frame but WHY?
cjsm250
12-12-06, 01:59 AM
It is the second part of a trilogy. It was meant to have the cliffhanger ending. Was it as good a middle movie as, say: "Empire Strikes Back"? Not for me.
That's my point. This must be the most overrated movie of all time. After POC DMC was over, I popped in Back to the Future III. (I had recently received the triology from Deep Discount DVD, and hadn't watch any of them in years.) Even though I consider it the weekest of the triology, I was engrossed and entertained throughout the movie, unlike POC DMC, where I was constantly bored and distracted.
Join the crowd... ;)
Now, the big question is whether Part III will be better OR have as big a BO as this turkey?
That's my point. This must be the most overrated movie of all time. After POC DMC was over, I popped in Back to the Future III. (I had recently received the triology from Deep Discount DVD, and hadn't watch any of them in years.) Even though I consider it the weekest of the triology, I was engrossed and entertained throughout the movie, unlike POC DMC, where I was constantly bored and distracted.
My wife and I watched the BTTF trilogy just last week (again - ;) ). Part two was probably the weakest but it was good. Part one is great and three is close to great. I really enjoy all of the parts. Not so with POTC.
When you wrote: "Well, I just finished watching it, and all I can say is, What the heck? A cliffhanger ending? Watching all of that and still not having it resolved?!"
I (wrongfully) assumed you did not know it was supposed to have an unresolved cliffhanger.
Cyrano: I didn't believe you at first but I do see it also. My sharpness on my BenQ8720 is -3. Default is 0 and generally, the picture is smooth. I'm just saying it so people don't accuse me of running it sharp. Fed by Pioneer Elite DV79AVi HDMI, firing onto 120" Dalite Cosmo Video spectra screen
But seriously though, at 13ft away, it's so hard to see. I had to walk up close enough to see the pixels in order to see it. If this jumps out at you, then you're not watching the movie. It's not just on the telescope, it's on the ratlines as well. I'm sure one could pick out flaws in every frame but WHY?
Hi Bing,
I keep our sharpness at -2. I've always used the least "enhanced" path for my signals (Audio as well). Most of the PQ looks all right in POTC, but this stuck out at my wife and I. And if it is there then it is making the entire picture less clear, although you can't see it. Ignorance really is bliss. And I was ignorant of it until 1:30 minutes into the film. And yes one can see it on many ropes etched in the blue sky. I didn't look for it - it was there.
We sit 9 feet from a 100" (diag.) screen and while it is too close we LOVE it. :D
I try and make as artifact-free an image I can, then I dive in. But I can't ignore reality. However, I can quickly adjust. :)
I have to say that the sharpness that this D1 displays is incredible. (and the HD70 is a great partner for it) It shows "what is there". I have a cheapo deck that I use for really noisy films. It smooths out the image and defects seem less noticeable. Last night we watched "A Child's Christmas In Wales" and it was a typical noisy late 80's PBS/BBC production. With the D1 the defects were pronounced. With the Daewoo deck the film (video) was easier to watch.
I remember when I first started getting good audio gear (many, many years ago - :o ) I was taken aback by how noisy and distorted some of my software (cassettes, LPs, Open reels) seemed. It seemed to sound okay on my lower quality equipment. Straight wire stuff. IYKWIM ;)
Enjoy
It is the second part of a trilogy. It was meant to have the cliffhanger ending. Was it as good a middle movie as, say: "Empire Strikes Back"? Not for me.
Empire instantly sprang to my mind when DMC ended. Also, when I looked at the run time of approx 150 minutes I thought, My God, this is long"., but when the cliffhanger happened I was eagerly anticipating more. I thought the sound was excellent & Iiked this more than the first.
For those of you who generally did not like this, what other movies in this genre do you like, so that we may compare?
For those of you who generally did not like this, what other movies in this genre do you like, so that we may compare?FWIW, I didn't/don't really dislike these films (mainly just Disney's annoying proclivity for messing up their DVDs with unnecessary edge-enhancement), but they are certainly a rehash of ideas from many other pictures like Harryhausen's Sinbad films (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0366063/), Jason & the Argonauts (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057197/), It Came from Beneath the Sea (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048215/), and Mysterious Island (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055207/) (one of Harryhausen's lesser known, but also good adventure films, with some pretty cool old school FX, including one nasty giant crustacean), and also things like 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (Davy Jones at his sea organ is a direct Nemo reference), Swiss Family Robinson, and Treasure Island... which is all good, since I was a fan of those as a kid (and still get enjoyment from them as an adult). I also half expected Kong to come leaping out of the trees in some of the jungle scenes.
There have been a couple other more recent attempts at reviving the pirate genre as well, including a musical version (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084504/) with Kristy McNicol and Chris Atkins (of Blue Lagoon fame), and the Harlin/Davis collab Cutthroat Island (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112760/), which is apparently on record as the biggest box-office flop in history (though I don't remember it being quite that bad myself-- so maybe it was just bad timing?). If you're lookin for a good classic swashbuckler (with a rousing score) there's also The Sea Hawk (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033028/) with Errol Flynn.
Mntneer
12-12-06, 02:16 PM
What's the deal with Elizabeth and Sparrow now? Are they trying to suggest there's a connection there she wants? Or did I completely misread the end of the movie.
wormraper
12-12-06, 04:26 PM
What's the deal with Elizabeth and Sparrow now? Are they trying to suggest there's a connection there she wants? Or did I completely misread the end of the movie.
I think so. My personal hope (actually more like a craving desire) for the 3rd movie is to have Will get slighted by Elizabeth for Jack and have Will take over for Davey Jones as Captain of the Flying Dutchman :). (being that the dutchman needs a living heart to have the captain pilot her). It probably could happen to be the way that will frees his father from Davey Jones clutches.
Jerm357
12-12-06, 08:25 PM
Empire instantly sprang to my mind when DMC ended. Also, when I looked at the run time of approx 150 minutes I thought, My God, this is long"., but when the cliffhanger happened I was eagerly anticipating more. I thought the sound was excellent & Iiked this more than the first.
For those of you who generally did not like this, what other movies in this genre do you like, so that we may compare?
I liked the movie too :cool: But it seems like we might be the only ones.
wormraper
12-13-06, 12:48 AM
I liked the movie too :cool: But it seems like we might be the only ones.
Add me to the list. I didn't like it AS MUCH as CotBP but I definitely enjoyed this movie thoroughly. Heck look at the Box office ratings it got. Not everyone hated it :)
Sean Nelson
12-13-06, 04:41 AM
I liked the movie too :cool: But it seems like we might be the only ones.My wife and got a big kick out of it. I really liked how we got to see all of the characters again. Bill Nighy as Davey Jones was a great addition to the group, and when we saw the reveal at the very end we left the theatres with grins on our faces and a feeling of anticipation for what the third installment would bring.
It's not "great" cinema, but it was a fun ride for us.
Jerm357
12-13-06, 03:02 PM
Im glad to see more people enjoyed this movie as I did, but I cant belive no one brought up how cool the kraken was. It actually got a WOW out of me and I dont say that very often. I think it was one of the coolest things Ive ever seen in a movie.
hikura3
12-13-06, 03:48 PM
I like the original better but it is still entertaining.
hulkfan
12-14-06, 12:46 PM
I loved the movie and have been a bit bewildered by some of the bad reviews to be honest, especially from folks who enjoyed the first film in the series. Dead Man's Chest had all (and more) of the stuff that made the first film so great, in my opinion. Not that I liked it more than CotBP, but I thought it was a fantastic Pirate film. And I think Davey Jones is one of the best movie villains to come along in quite a while!
Like one member posted above, I often wonder if the folks who bash this film are simply not fans of the genre in general...? Viewing the film in context (as the throwback swashbuckler it's meant to be), I have a hard time finding many faults. ADU mentioned some great Harryhausen flicks in his post, which I personally think Verbinski's film harkens to quite a bit (in a good way).
You know, after watching the Making Ofs for POTC: DMC I think I might enjoy the film more. They were honest about script problems at the beginning and the effort that went into the film was impressive.
Funny how sometimes I enjoy the Making Ofs more than the product they made.
And the Kraken was cool.
Davy Jones was cool too, but there was something in the first film and this one that I found unsettling. The pirate zombies in the first one couldn't be killed - so why don't they just keep killing all the live people to remove the impediments in their path.
And there is a similar feeling to the Davy Jones crew.
It just doesn't feel like the playing field is level from a plot standpoint. Still fun stuff though.
hulkfan
12-14-06, 04:08 PM
...Funny how sometimes I enjoy the Making Ofs more than the product they made...
I totally agree. I remember feeling the same exact way about PJ's King Kong. I was disappointed in many aspects of the film itself, but after delving into the DVD's of the production diaries I developed a much deeper appreciation for the final film. That's happened on occasion with other films as well.
I haven't seen any making-of features for Dead Man's Chest yet but am looking forward to it, especially after your post. Are the extra features on the DVD pretty extensive (in-depth)?
I can understand your point about the villains in the films, etc. That aspect doesn't bother me, although I can't really explain why. Perhaps that uneven playing field creates more 'worry' for the well-being of the protagonists (even though it's impossible to believe for a second that any of the main characters are in real peril). I can see why that dynamic would be unsettling though, I've felt similarly with other films.
sethwas
12-14-06, 04:52 PM
I liked the movie but it could have been better. The pacing was a bit off (in terms of fast, slow, fast, etc.), which is why the last hour was so much better than the first (it was more consistent).
All they needed to do was cut out the cannibal scene (has to be around a half hour) and this movie would have been non-stop and no complaints.
The sound was great and so was the lighting.
Seth
PooperScooper
12-30-06, 10:34 AM
I tried watching this and couldn't make it all the way through. Maybe not in the right mood. Audio was great, PQ was hit and miss.
larry
rockbottom16
12-31-06, 05:08 AM
the 1st one had charm and cleverness sprinkled throughout the film. dead mans chest tried too hard with its many bag of tricks but it was mostly in vain and kinda lame over n over. and jack sparrow went overboard with his song n dance routine got old after a while. it's the case of wearing out your welcome. and what is up with that octopus crap...man enough already.
i have a feeling they're saving the best for last chapter, better be to erase this 2nd confusing mess.
PooperScooper
12-31-06, 08:07 AM
There's another coming??? :eek:
larry
fastforward to the cliffhanger ending.
There's another coming???
I thought everybody knew there is a 3rd one. They filmed 2nd and 3rd at the same time. "At World's End" it is called, featuring an Asian film legend, Chow Yun Fat.
the 1st one had charm and cleverness sprinkled throughout the film. dead mans chest tried too hard with its many bag of tricks but it was mostly in vain and kinda lame over n over. and jack sparrow went overboard with his song n dance routine got old after a while. it's the case of wearing out your welcome. and what is up with that octopus crap...man enough already.
i have a feeling they're saving the best for last chapter, better be to erase this 2nd confusing mess.DMC is a bit on the silly/nonsensical/keystone cops-ish side, but I think that was kind of the point. Maybe some of the (seemingly?) nonsensical plot twists and loose ends will be pulled together and made more 'sensical' in the final chapter*. If viewed in a vacuum (I mean that figuratively of course), Two Towers might seem like alot of senseless trudging around middle-earth as well.
[*Or not.]
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