Official Onkyo HT-S790 & HT-S790S Thread [Text View]

Tigershark

11-26-06, 03:47 AM

Introduction:
There are numerous threads regarding Onkyo's excellent HT-S790 Home Theater in a Box system. Here is an attempt to consolidate any questions and answers into one thread.

http://www.dakine.net/ht/HTS790.jpg

General Information:
The Onkyo HT-S790 is a 7.1 channel Home Theater in a Box (HTIB) system, available in either black or silver (labeled as HT-S790S). Unlike most HTIB’s, it does not include a DVD player - just the receiver, 2 front speakers, 1 center speaker, 2 surround speakers, 2 rear surround speakers, a powered subwoofer, and an universal remote control. With seven speakers rated at 110W and the 230W powered subwoofer, the system is rated at a combined total of 1,000W. It is covered by a 24 month parts/labor warranty.

Packaging:
The entire system comes in one box, measuring 30"L x 22"D x 30.5" H, and weighs 101.2 lbs.

What's Included in the Box (from Crutchfield.com)
HT-R540 A/V Receiver
2 SKF-540F Front speakers
1 SKC-540C Center channel speaker
2 SKM-540S Surround satellite speakers
2 SKB-540 Surround Back satellite speakers
1 SKW-540 Powered subwoofer
RC-649M Wireless remote control
2 "AA" batteries
1 AM loop antenna
1 FM wire antenna
Speaker terminal tool
9.5' Mono subwoofer cable (RCA)
One 9.85' Length of speaker wire (each length of speaker wire has tinned bare wire on each end)
Two 14.77' lengths of speaker wire
Four 29.5' lengths of speaker wire
Instruction Manual
Remote control code list
Quick Set-up guide
Product Registration Card
XM Satellite radio information
DS-A1 iPod dock information
Speaker terminal tool information
Optical digital cable connection information

Receiver:
The receiver is actually a re-numbered Onkyo TX-SR504 receiver. Interestingly, although the Onkyo TX-SR504 is rated at 75W/Ch, the re-badged HT-R540 is rated at 110W/Ch. There are a total of four digital audio inputs - 1 digital coaxial and 3 digital optical audio inputs. Although the receiver can accept numerous video inputs, it does not upconvert video signals - in other words, the video goes out of the receiver the same way it comes it - it does not "up-convert" composite or S-video to component. There is also no HDMI input.

Surround channels: 7.1
Power per channel (Front/Center/Surround/Rear Surround): 110 Watts
Subwoofer power: 230 watts
Total Rated power: 1000 Watts
THD @ rated power: 0.08%

Inputs and outputs
# of digital inputs: 3 digital optical, 1 digital coaxial audio
# of component video inputs: 3
S-video inputs: Yes

Types of digital decoding
Dolby® Pro Logic: Yes
Dolby® Pro Logic II: Yes
DTS (Digital Theater Systems): Yes

Dimensions (H x W x D, Inches): 17.1 x 5.9 x 14.8
Weight: 20.7 lbs.

Speakers:
The front and center speakers feature Dual cones (5 1/4" for the fronts, 4" for the center) (most HTIB’s speakers are only 1 cone). while the surround and rear surround speakers are the more traditional single 4" cone. The system also comes with a powered subwoofer rated at 230W which features a 10" woofer.

Front speakers
Type: 2-way (Dual 5 1/4" cone)
Dimensions (H x W x D): 6.2" x 17.1" x 7.9"
Weight: 8.6 lbs.

Center speaker
Type: 2-way (Dual 4" cone)
Dimensions (H x W x D): 6.8" x 17.1" x 7.9"
Weight: 8.6 lbs.

Surround speakers
Type: 2-way (4" cone)
Dimensions (H x W x D): 6.9" x 10.4" x 4"
Weight: 3.1 lbs.

Rear surround speakers
Type: 2-way (4" cone)
Dimensions (H x W x D): 6.9" x 10.4" x 4"
Weight: 3.1 lbs.

Subwoofer
Type: 10" cone
Dimensions (H x W x D): 10.8" x 20.4" x 16.2"
Weight: 30.0 lbs.

Owners Manual:
You can download the Owner’s Manual in pdf form from Onkyousa.com here:
Owner's Manual (http://onkyousa.com/download/own_manuals.cfm?cat=Systems)

Related Threads:
- Speaker stands and mounts: Link #1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=751127), Link #2 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=692834)

- Speaker wire: Link #1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=745401)

Cables and Speaker Wire:

Forget Monster cable - they are ridiculously overpriced. A lot of people (myself included) go with Monoprice.com for their cables. Here are the appropriate links for some cables you might need in 6' lengths. Be sure to measure the exact lengths you need - and taking into account extra length needed when pulling the receiver out of your entertainment center.

Links

6' HDMI $6.37 (currently out of stock) (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024004&p_id=2412&seq=1&format=2&style=).

6' Digital Audio Coaxial Cable $5.42 (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023602&p_id=2680&seq=1&format=2&style=).

12' Digital Audio Coaxial Cable $6.38 (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023602&p_id=2682&seq=1&format=2&style=) - same cable just longer. Use for the subwoofer.

6' Digital Audio Optical Cable $4.87 (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10229&cs_id=1022901&p_id=2764&seq=1&format=2&style=).

100' 14 AWG Speaker Wire $23.98 (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023902&p_id=2791&seq=1&format=2&style=)

100' 16 AWG Speaker Wire $14.94 (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023903&p_id=2793&seq=1&format=2&style=)

Tigershark

11-26-06, 03:49 AM

http://www.dakine.net/ht/ht-P01-small.jpg

Base System
Onkyo HT-S790

Modifications
Replaced surround and surround back speakers with Pioneer S-HF21-LR speakers (4) and replaced all stock speaker wire with 14 gauge speaker wire.

General Impressions
Good introductory system. All speakers are quite larger than most "satellite" systems. The front and centers are true bookshelf size and are at least six times the size of the HTIB speakers of the old system they replaced.

http://www.dakine.net/ht/ht-P03-small.jpg

G-star

11-26-06, 01:30 PM

good move...this should have been done long ago. let's hope it turns into a valuable resource for owners/potential owners of this system....the king of the $400 HTIB's. hail to the king, baby.

Ryder11211

11-26-06, 02:43 PM

Nice, I just picked up this set yesterday and now an official thread! So here's the first question.

Any advice on trying to wall mount the speakers? I think I would like to put the rear speakers up high on the wall pointing at a downward angle.

crackhead willy

11-26-06, 05:03 PM

I just picked up a HT-S790 system too. So far I am pretty impressed with this system. Actually, I am downgrading from my Mirage towers, center and sub, because they were too big for my apartment and my girlfriend didn't like the big tower speakers.

I was wondering about placement too. I was considering getting a set of 24 inch stands (omnimount or sanus) for the fronts and two sets of 31 inch stands for the rear sets. Does that sound good? Also what gauge and type of speaker wire are people using to replace the wimpy speaker cables that come with the setup? Any ideas on conduit or raceway to hide the cables?

steen995

11-26-06, 10:30 PM

What speaker mounts is everybody using for these? Having trouble finding black ones that fit this size. Would also like wall mounts for the front side speakers. Any ideas??

Tigershark

11-27-06, 02:40 AM

Here are a few previous threads on speaker stands for the HT-S790:

Link #1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=751127)

Link #2 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=692834)

Tigershark

11-27-06, 03:23 AM

Also what gauge and type of speaker wire are people using to replace the wimpy speaker cables that come with the setup? Any ideas on conduit or raceway to hide the cables?

I am using 14 gauge speaker wire. I had a tough time getting it through the posts, but with a little effort, it fits. Any thicker and you would probably have to use Banana Plugs.

Here is another thread on speaker wire:

Link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=745401)

steen995

11-27-06, 11:06 PM

Tigershark

11-28-06, 04:00 AM

Thanks tigershark! I saw those posts earlier, just wondering if anybody else had found any good wall mounts. The more suggestions the better.

Also, anybody notice a quality difference with the different wire? We just used what was in the box. Didn't know it mattered....

To tell you the truth, I didn't even use the included speaker wire so I can't speak to how much "better" the thicker speaker wire is. It is generally accepted, however, that the thicker the speaker wire, the better. I also don't use speaker mounts or wall mounts (I just put them on some shelves). Good luck in your search.

HDgloryhog

11-28-06, 12:23 PM

Just picked it up last night. I want some 14 gauge wire as well but monoprice has them on back order for about a month. Any other website to find good wire for this system?

G-star

11-28-06, 12:42 PM

Just picked it up last night. I want some 14 gauge wire as well but monoprice has them on back order for about a month. Any other website to find good wire for this system?

try partsexpress and blue jeans cable for interconnects. you can get decent speaker wire on the cheap (by the foot) at home depot or lowes.

Wally_br

11-28-06, 12:50 PM

Sorry if old.

The original price of the Onkyo HT-S790 in cart is 379.99 after rebates but there is a $50 off on-line coupon that CC itself is showing in their Home Page themselves.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/prod...heater%20System

Isn't the system worth it at that price.

Thanks

afrogt

11-28-06, 02:21 PM

Just picked it up last night. I want some 14 gauge wire as well but monoprice has them on back order for about a month. Any other website to find good wire for this system?

http://www.pacificcable.com/Picture_Page.asp?DataName=255-514CL

HDgloryhog

11-28-06, 02:46 PM

Thanks for the link, just ordered it!

Tigershark

11-28-06, 08:27 PM

try partsexpress and blue jeans cable for interconnects. you can get decent speaker wire on the cheap (by the foot) at home depot or lowes.

I found that Home Depot or Lowes is cheaper than on-line for the thinner wire, or if you don't need too much (since you don't pay for shipping). But once you get up to 14 gauge and/or 100 ft. + (I needed 150 ft. for my set-up), it pays to go on-line.

I am also planning to upgrade the cheap RCA sub-woofer cable with a better one from Monoprice soon (the stock one seems so thin). Does anyone know if it will make a difference? I would think so, but I don't know.

afrogt

11-28-06, 09:57 PM

I got my 100ft 12ga from monoprice for under $25. No local store could come close to touching that. But I have used Home Depot in the past when I needed shorter runs of wire quickly.

G-star

11-28-06, 10:53 PM

I am also planning to upgrade the cheap RCA sub-woofer cable with a better one from Monoprice soon (the stock one seems so thin). Does anyone know if it will make a difference? I would think so, but I don't know.

there will be little difference, if any. you'd be better off putting that money into the new subwoofer fund, its really the only way to see a marked improvement. of course, this assumes that you have experimented with placement, calibration, cross-overs, etc. and are thus getting the best possible performance out of the HTIB sub.

a decent $200+ 10" sub will easily outperform that onkyo sub in terms of sound quality, extension, and output and it only gets better as you go up the food chain. a more capable sub makes a huge difference for this system.

i sold my onkyo sub on ebay for $125, so the upgrade to an SVS PB-10 only really ended up costing me $325. makes upgrading an easier decision. ;)

Tigershark

11-29-06, 04:24 AM

there will be little difference, if any. you'd be better off putting that money into the new subwoofer fund, its really the only way to see a marked improvement. of course, this assumes that you have experimented with placement, calibration, cross-overs, etc. and are thus getting the best possible performance out of the HTIB sub.

a decent $200+ 10" sub will easily outperform that onkyo sub in terms of sound quality, extension, and output and it only gets better as you go up the food chain. a more capable sub makes a huge difference for this system.

i sold my onkyo sub on ebay for $125, so the upgrade to an SVS PB-10 only really ended up costing me $325. makes upgrading an easier decision. ;)

So there is no real reason to upgrade the subwoofer cable? Well, that saved me $10. Anyone know of any other cheap upgrades or free settings / calibrations to improve the performance of this system, short of buying new speakers?

flecked

11-29-06, 04:28 AM

I've had the s790 hooked up for about a week now and i love it so far, much better than my crap boombox :).

What kind of speaker levels do you guys use for normal movie viewing? I usually use about +2center, +2sub, and +4-5 to the surround and back. I haven't messed with distance or any other calibration settings, just the speaker levels.

flecked

11-29-06, 04:29 AM

Here's a few pics for the offical thread:

Pic 1 (http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3096/homejt6.jpg)
Pic 2 (http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2822/home2wn8.jpg)

G-star

11-29-06, 07:52 AM

What kind of speaker levels do you guys use for normal movie viewing? I usually use about +2center, +2sub, and +4-5 to the surround and back. I haven't messed with distance or any other calibration settings, just the speaker levels.

it depends entirely on your room/setup, there are no universal settings. to get this system performing its best, calibrating using the test tones and an SPL meter is your best bet. even better would be to use a calibration disc like avia and an SPL meter.

even at $400, this is a significant investment that is unfortunately not a plug-and-play scenario. calibration is really required to realize its full potential.

Bumsi

11-29-06, 12:06 PM

Hi,

Ordered mine last night over the phone. Cost $329.99 after the $30.00 rebate and the $50.00 "Cyber Monday" Use coupon code YEA2M45AGJ. I guess "Cyber Monday" lasts all week ;) Due for delivery in the morning - Yeeha! Go FEDEX!

I might make my own stands when I have time (just finished modifying my TV stand to make all my cables, surge protector, plugs etc. disappear) and wife is now happy for that.

Meanwhile...WalMart has some stands and mounts that actually look good for fronts and are ajustable for $29.84 a pair.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5019646

Rears and or wall mounts are not bad either at $ 8.46 a pair.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5019645

steen995

11-29-06, 01:07 PM

Bumsi

11-29-06, 02:51 PM

Hey Bumsi, did you really get it for $329, or was it $379. On line right now it lists for $379? If you got it for $329 I'm tempted to order it on line and then return "it" with my receipt for $399 that paid for it on Friday. It just irks me that I went to the store on Black Friday and now it's cheaper.

Yes...$329.99 Just checked my account at CC website...

It has gone back up $10.00 BASE PRICE since last night, so $419.99 minus $30 rebate, = $389.99, minus $50 "Cyber Monday use coupon code YEA2M45AGJ" = $339.99 as of right now 1:35 pm CT.

Last night base price was $409.99 + rebate and cyber Monday discount.

n0rris

11-29-06, 03:36 PM

flecked

11-29-06, 03:46 PM

steen995

11-29-06, 03:50 PM

Tigershark

11-29-06, 03:51 PM

Im about to pull the trigger on a 790S and going to head over there from work, but before I go can someone tell me how this system is packaged? If it's one huge box I'm worried it might not fit in my car.

Are there small boxes inside the big box? That way I can open it on the spot and take them out and put them in my car. If not I'll have to let them ship it (but im too impatient :) )

It is packaged in one big box and weighs over 100 lbs. It will not fit in a regular car in the original box (it barely fit in my SUV - the box is quite tall). If I remember correctly, it is packaged with a lot of styrofoam, but not smaller boxes. If you want to pick it up, you could just open the box, and take out the speakers and receivers and arrange the components in your trunk and backseat. The only really big piece is the subwoofer. It is quite large and weighs 30 lbs by itself. Still, all the pieces should fit IF they are taken out of the original box.

Note: All dimensions and weights are listed in the first post above.

Tigershark

11-29-06, 03:54 PM

Here's a few pics for the offical thread:

Pic 1 (http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3096/homejt6.jpg)
Pic 2 (http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2822/home2wn8.jpg)

Great set-up with the stands. They really let you set-up the speakers exactly where you want them for good sound imaging.

n0rris

11-29-06, 03:56 PM

It is packaged in one big box and weighs over 100 lbs. It will not fit in a regular car in the original box (it barely fit in my SUV - the box is quite tall). If I remember correctly, it is packaged with a lot of styrofoam, but not smaller boxes. If you want to pick it up, you could just open the box, and take out the speakers and receivers and arrange the components in your trunk and backseat. The only really big piece is the subwoofer. It is quite large and weighs 30 lbs by itself. Still, all the pieces should fit IF they are taken out of the original box.

Note: All dimensions and weights are listed in the first post above.

Thanks. I did see the dimensions, but I recalled reading in another thread that the refurb'd accessories4less version came in one big box but had 3 smaller boxes inside. If that was the case I would be willing to take it out and shuffle it around a bit, but I don't know if i just want my speakers and receivers bouncing around in the trunk. I guess if I want it I'll just have to wait for it to ship.

I've been eyeballing the 590S as well, I might just get that since I don't really need a 7.1 system. It just looked like a good price.

Tigershark

11-29-06, 04:02 PM

Bumsi, when I got to CC web site it says start price of $499.99. So frustrating....

Such is buying on the internet. For the record, the MSRP is $499. You can buy it somewhere for around $450 at any time. A good sale (maybe once a month) brings it down to about $420. And once in awhile, it hits $400. And once in a blue moon, it gets even lower than that. $330 is the lowest I have ever seen for an un-opened system. I bought mine for $360 about 2 months ago and I had waited over a year to get that price. Bottom line, just watch the pricing at your favorite website/store because the pricing bounces all over the place and you have to be ready to buy when the price drops to where you want it.

Best price right now at Circuit City: $500 - $80 instant - $50 Coupon (YEA2M45AGJ) - $30 Rebate = $340 + tax w/ free in-store pickup. That is a great price.

Tigershark

11-29-06, 04:09 PM

Thanks. I did see the dimensions, but I recalled reading in another thread that the refurb'd accessories4less version came in one big box but had 3 smaller boxes inside. If that was the case I would be willing to take it out and shuffle it around a bit, but I don't know if i just want my speakers and receivers bouncing around in the trunk. I guess if I want it I'll just have to wait for it to ship.

I've been eyeballing the 590S as well, I might just get that since I don't really need a 7.1 system. It just looked like a good price.

When they sell for refurb'd, the styrofoam is probably long gone, so they re-package it in seperate boxes within the big box.

Be sure to read the threads on the 590S - they seem to have some problems (with thicker speaker wire) that the 790 doesn't have. Given the managable price difference, the better speakers, and the future-proofing of a 7.1 system, I would go with the 790, but that's me.

n0rris

11-29-06, 04:49 PM

When they sell for refurb'd, the styrofoam is probably long gone, so they re-package it in seperate boxes within the big box.

Be sure to read the threads on the 590S - they seem to have some problems (with thicker speaker wire) that the 790 doesn't have. Given the managable price difference, the better speakers, and the future-proofing of a 7.1 system, I would go with the 790, but that's me.

Yeah I read about those, but I thought I'd roll the dice on that one. Anyway, I ordered it for pickup -- not bad, $395 after taxes in Jersey, and I'll take the $30 if it ever comes but I'm not holding my break. I'm going to take the stuff out and put it in my back seat.

Hopefully I can somehow fit the empty box in my trunk in case I need to take this setup back. Maybe ill flatten it and tape it back up if i need to use it for a refund.

Maybe I can sell the extra surround speakers for a little money for stands and stuff.

Bumsi

11-29-06, 05:21 PM

Yeah I read about those, but I thought I'd roll the dice on that one. Anyway, I ordered it for pickup -- not bad, $395 after taxes in Jersey, and I'll take the $30 if it ever comes but I'm not holding my break. I'm going to take the stuff out and put it in my back seat.

Hopefully I can somehow fit the empty box in my trunk in case I need to take this setup back. Maybe ill flatten it and tape it back up if i need to use it for a refund.

Maybe I can sell the extra surround speakers for a little money for stands and stuff.

CC has been real good with rebates with me...I fill them out online and submit, they send confirmation and 4-6 weeks later cha-ching $$ ;) Took a while to figure out how to do the online rebate though....grrrrrr!

$365.00 after rebate with NJ taxes is still a real good deal for this system IMO.

Bumsi

11-29-06, 05:28 PM

Bumsi, when I got to CC web site it says start price of $499.99. So frustrating....

Sorry, figured it out now. I didn't realize you still had to enter the coupon code. I've ordered it. Hopefully they'll let me return the other. What a joke to only offer the rebate with an on line order.

Call 1-800-843-2489 (option #2) explain the issue and demand their 110 % best price guarantee for the system you have now. Cancel the online oreder while you have them on the phone.

steen995

11-29-06, 08:14 PM

Call 1-800-843-2489 (option #2) explain the issue and demand their 110 % best price guarantee for the system you have now. Cancel the online oreder while you have them on the phone.

Thank you Bumsi, finally got 'r done. I ordered, called Circuit City for the price match, which at first they claimed they couldn't do with the on line rebate. I pointed out that all they were doing was losing money by paying to ship because then I was just going to return the box back to them.... Sooo, supposedly I'm going to get a price match+ check. The wait is on. I'm trying not to get too excited.

Now I'm just excited to see what kind of calibration information this thread comes up with! :p

n0rris

11-29-06, 08:52 PM

young24601

11-29-06, 09:53 PM

Tigershark

11-30-06, 04:03 AM

Well, just got back, it was a pain in the butt but I got the system home (CC guy helped me break the box down and take everything out to put in the back seat)

Took it home and I realized I have no optical cables to use :( Guess I need to wait a couple of days before I can put it through the paces. I'll be keeping my eye on this thread for any tips/advice, thanks to the previous page I already know the stands I want. Thanks!

--Oh, does anyone recommend using banana jacks or just bare wire? I was on monoprice buying cables and noticed the reviews for their banana jacks sucked, I'll probably stick with bare wire (16ga) unless anyone notices a difference.

Congrats on the purchase. Once you get the optical cables, you are set.

As for speaker wire connections, I haven't had experience with Banana plugs, but I know there are some drawbacks with using them. Like I said earlier, you can go as thick as 14 ga wire without using Banana Plugs. Any thicker probably won't make much difference with these speakers. Your 16 ga is probably fine as well. Enjoy your new system!

Tigershark

11-30-06, 04:12 AM

Hey guys,
i got the 42" panasonic plasma during black friday and was thinking about bouncing on the silver version of this.. however, this unit does not have hdmi.. i think my TV has 2 hdmi-in (still sitting in the box, i just moved in) so that's not a big deal, right?

the last thing i want to do is have to swap cables when i want to switch from cable, dvd, xbox, wii...

thanks for educating this noob..

reading another thread it looks like the 894 might be a good choice too, but it doesn't come in silver! arg :o

also, any recommendations on a good dvd player to do with this? i'm so clueless when it comes with dts/dolby all that other stuff :confused:

The lack of HDMI inputs or outputs concerned me at first, but then I realized that I would run HDMI from my source (say DVD player) to my plasma, and a seperate digital audio cable to the receiver. So no problem. You just can't find a true HDMI receiver for this kind of money (the few in this price range are just a pass-through, which is basically worthless). The included receiver gives you four digital inputs (1 coaxial, 3 digital), which is more than some other systems in this price range. I have my DVD (coaxial), cable box (optical) and PS2 (optical) hooked up via digital cable, so I have one more available.

On a side note, the Nintendo Wii uses red/white (no digital) audio out - say what?

The best choice of DVD player will depend on your display, so check out the DVD player forum for suggestions. I have been pleased with my Sony DVP-NC85H upconverting DVD 5 disc changer - one of the few out there.

young24601

11-30-06, 10:12 AM

The lack of HDMI inputs or outputs concerned me at first, but then I realized that I would run HDMI from my source (say DVD player) to my plasma, and a seperate digital audio cable to the receiver. So no problem. You just can't find a true HDMI receiver for this kind of money (the few in this price range are just a pass-through, which is basically worthless). The included receiver gives you four digital inputs (1 coaxial, 3 digital), which is more than some other systems in this price range. I have my DVD (coaxial), cable box (optical) and PS2 (optical) hooked up via digital cable, so I have one more available.

On a side note, the Nintendo Wii uses red/white (no digital) audio out - say what?

The best choice of DVD player will depend on your display, so check out the DVD player forum for suggestions. I have been pleased with my Sony DVP-NC85H upconverting DVD 5 disc changer - one of the few out there.

awesome, thanks for the input! :)

in for one silver one :o

it's funny, before BF i was just going to get whatever TV i could for 500 bucks.. now i've spent 1200 on the TV (i got the BB additional warranty) and now another 350 on this :confused: and i guess i'll have to pick up a bunch of cables from monoprice

same thing happened when i was replacing my headphones.. wanted something for 50 bucks, ended up getting something for 200 :(

gotta stop navigating the tubes of this internet thing

akumaxv

11-30-06, 10:29 AM

The Wii comes shipped with the standard RCA (composite) Cables. You can order the Component ones online from the official Nintendo website, but good luck finding them. None have shipped to any B&M's yet, so they are pretty hard to come by right now.

I'm actually in a dilemma over this system. I wanted to get the 790S, but I noticed it does not come with HDMI connections. I noticed the 894 has HDMI, but it's only 5.1 surround sound. The 907 has HDMI like the 894, and 7.1 surround like the 790. Only thing is, it's about $500 more than what CC is offering the 790.

I was originally looking for more component inputs since my Samsung plasma only has 2. I have an Xbox, 360, Wii, and they are all using the component cables, and they are run through the wall. You can't imagine the pain it is to unplug and replug these things in when I want to use them. Especially when you can't see anything. I noticed that most component switch boxes were $200+ and not very nice looking.

I also plan on getting a PS3 and my cable box is connected via HDMI, so that leaves me with only one HDMI port available.

I was planning to replace my surround system anyway. I'm using the a 5 year old Sony dream system that has worked great for years, but I figured with a new plasma, might as well get a real surround system. I can always move the Sony into the bedroom.

So basically, do I go for the 790s , where I'd eventually have to get an HDMI swticher as well as a DVD player to go along with it, or do I just bite the bullet with the 907 and get it over with? The lack of the 7.1 on the 894 puts it out of the running unless someone can justify it.

Advice?

akumaxv

11-30-06, 10:31 AM

awesome, thanks for the input! :)

in for one silver one :o

it's funny, before BF i was just going to get whatever TV i could for 500 bucks.. now i've spent 1200 on the TV (i got the BB additional warranty) and now another 350 on this :confused: and i guess i'll have to pick up a bunch of cables from monoprice

same thing happened when i was replacing my headphones.. wanted something for 50 bucks, ended up getting something for 200 :(

gotta stop navigating the tubes of this internet thing

I will say this for Monoprice, their cables are fantastic quality and low priced to boot. You can't go wrong with them.

I know how you feel. I was originally looking for a component switch box, and now I'm looking at a whole new surround system!!

n0rris

11-30-06, 11:16 AM

Bumsi

11-30-06, 01:01 PM

Thank you Bumsi, finally got 'r done. I ordered, called Circuit City for the price match, which at first they claimed they couldn't do with the on line rebate. I pointed out that all they were doing was losing money by paying to ship because then I was just going to return the box back to them.... Sooo, supposedly I'm going to get a price match+ check. The wait is on. I'm trying not to get too excited.

Now I'm just excited to see what kind of calibration information this thread comes up with! :p

Glad it worked out for you. I think you will find that CC will honor their commitment to send your check. It is always good to see someone get a good deal. :) It's even better to get one yourself. :D

Yeah, I'm hoping for some good info here also. Did you check out the stands I posted earlier? Jakeman also posted some banana plugs for $2.85 a pair which will allow for large speaker wires if needed.

Good luck ;)

Tigershark

11-30-06, 02:41 PM

Well, from looking at the specs, it looks like getting the 907 buys you basically 1 additional HDMI port (2 on the receiver, which takes up 1 on the TV). So I don't know if it's worth it, unless the speakers are also leaps and bounds ahead or you get other features that you may need. I recall reading that the HDMI standard might be changing soon as well, so wait until you run out of HDMI ports and then just get a switcher sounds like it would be a good plan.

Also, I got a component video switcher (its called a game console switcher) from EB or ToysRUs, it was only like 20-30 bucks made by Pelican. It doesn't do any fancy audio switching, only RCA so I don't know if it's for you.

HDMI switching
I agree that, for now, paying more for a receiver with HDMI switching is probably not worth it. I was going to wait it out, let the new HDMI standard (1.3?) become more widespread, and buy a "real" audio system then. Right now, these receivers still have composite and S-Video inputs taking up space.

If you really need a HDMI switch, here are two highly rated ones from Monoprice:

2-way Manual HDMI switch (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011001&p_id=2786&seq=1&format=2&style=) - $29 + shipping

5-way HDMI with equalizer and remote (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=2777&seq=1&format=2&style=) - $113 + shipping

Since my Plasma has only one HDMI input, I am thinking about the 5-way switch further down the road when I get more HDMI devices.

Component switching

Don't forget that the included receiver with the 790 does Component switching (but not component up-converting). That means you can plug three sets of component video inputs (with matching red/white or digital audio) into the receiver, then one set of component cables to your display. I don't, because I would rather run the video straight to the display rather than add another step in the process, but if you don't have enough component inputs on your display, this is an option.

ERICK ZENITH

11-30-06, 03:53 PM

Im about to pull the trigger on this system
Just trying to figure out where to install it when I get it
what kind of wall mounts should I get ???

Fragster

11-30-06, 04:18 PM

Leftey

11-30-06, 07:25 PM

Does anyone has this set hooked to any of the up-converting DVD players? Im picking this up for my new home and am thinking of getting a up-converting DVD player. My TV is a 2 yr old 57" RPHDTV Hitachi S500.

So from one of the posters above, if I do get a upconverting DVD player with HDMI, I can hook the DVD player directly to my TV using HDMI and then use a optical cable from the player to the receiver?

Thx
F
That's what I'm doing for my sony upconvert dvd player. Actually I'm running digtal coax into my 990 from the dvd player, optical from my HD box, and optical from my 360. HDMI from the dvd player straight to my tv. Works and sounds great.

steen995

11-30-06, 08:50 PM

After looking it the manual, is it correct that the speaker level settings disappear each time you go to standby? Do you have to redo it everytime you turn the system on??

Tigershark

11-30-06, 09:27 PM

That's what I'm doing for my sony upconvert dvd player. Actually I'm running digtal coax into my 990 from the dvd player, optical from my HD box, and optical from my 360. HDMI from the dvd player straight to my tv. Works and sounds great.

I have the exact same set-up (except a PS2 instead of a 360). HDMI from my Sony DVP-NC85H upconverting DVD changer to display, then digital coaxial from DVD, digital optical from cable box and PS2 to receiver. Sounds great!

Leftey

11-30-06, 09:37 PM

I have the exact same set-up (except a PS2 instead of a 360). HDMI from my Sony DVP-NC85H upconverting DVD changer to display, then digital coaxial from DVD, digital optical from cable box and PS2 to receiver. Sounds great!
Yeah, I have the 85h also. It's a pretty nice upscaler.

kbsmoker

12-01-06, 12:49 AM

I just ordered this today for my bedroom.

I have been a HT installer for 8 years and can't wait to hear how this budget system compares to the systems i work on everyday. The only thing that worries me about this system is the weak sub, but for $320 you really can't beat this deal.

young24601

12-01-06, 09:47 AM

Yeah, I have the 85h also. It's a pretty nice upscaler.

hey leftey, i was thinking of this dvd player also but it says "Dolby Digital and DTS 5.1 Channel Output"... So what happens given that the 790 is a 7.1 speaker setup? sorry for the noob question :(

caryraleigh

12-01-06, 03:35 PM

Bumsi

12-01-06, 03:38 PM

Im about to pull the trigger on this system
Just trying to figure out where to install it when I get it
what kind of wall mounts should I get ???

Browse this thread (or search) and you will see several suggestion and or links, a couple I put there and folks like Jakeman have posted many links for mounts/stands as well as banana plugs wire and cables.

Tigershark

12-01-06, 06:44 PM

hey leftey, i was thinking of this dvd player also but it says "Dolby Digital and DTS 5.1 Channel Output"... So what happens given that the 790 is a 7.1 speaker setup? sorry for the noob question :(

Almost all DVDs are in 5.1 audio. Therefore, a 7.1 receiver like this one takes the 5.1 input and either plays it as is through the 5 speakers or simulates the rear surround speakers and plays through all 7 (you choose). Frankly, I just let it simimulate the rear surrounds and it sounds great.

Tigershark

12-01-06, 06:47 PM

I don't know much about audio system and bought S790 without having much clue except seen good reviews about it for the budget that I had, Yet to unpack from the box.

I tpyically hear music from the regular CD's and what will be good multiple CD playing that can go with this, Is buying Onkyo 6 CD changer with S790 needed or I can buy pretty much anything.

Also interested in sets which could play DVD and Audio CD but can hold more DVD/CD in reasonable budget.

Thanks

This system will work with any CD / DVD player. I don't believe the Onkyo DVD players are that highly rated - go with a brand and model you like. Also note that any DVD player can play CDs, so unless you are building an only audio system, it is probably a better bet to go with a DVD player, unless you are looking at a high end CD system or a huge capacity changer.

afrogt

12-01-06, 08:00 PM

I typically hear music from the regular CD's and what will be good multiple CD playing that can go with this, Is buying Onkyo 6 CD changer with S790 needed or I can buy pretty much anything.

Also interested in sets which could play DVD and Audio CD but can hold more DVD/CD in reasonable budget.

Onkyo 704 6-Disc DVD/CD Carousel Changer with HDMI
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=1908&A=details&Q=&sku=420050&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation

If you don't need the HDMI feature
http://www.accessories4less.com/cgi-bin/item/ONKDVCP702

I just got this CD changer this week. I already had a DVD player.
http://www.accessories4less.com/cgi-bin/item/ONKDXC390

Leftey

12-01-06, 08:24 PM

I don't know much about audio system and bought S790 without having much clue except seen good reviews about it for the budget that I had, Yet to unpack from the box.

I tpyically hear music from the regular CD's and what will be good multiple CD playing that can go with this, Is buying Onkyo 6 CD changer with S790 needed or I can buy pretty much anything.

Also interested in sets which could play DVD and Audio CD but can hold more DVD/CD in reasonable budget.

Thanks
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=1908&A=details&Q=&sku=417424&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation You can research this model also. Myself and Tigershark have it and it does a good job of upconverting and audio playback.

caryraleigh

12-02-06, 07:52 AM

Thanks a lot for all the suggestions for the DVD/CD player!

I greatly appreciate it.

Insiderman

12-03-06, 11:19 AM

Leftey

12-03-06, 11:34 AM

Has anyone had trouble with the HT-S790 working just fine, then clicking, smoke coming out of top at the front ride side, then the unit going to standby? Obviously something got too hot, shorted out or whatever. I check speaker connections, input output connections, etc. Nothing seemed to be awry.

Any help? Thanks!
I would say smoke coming from the recvr was a very bad thing to happen. I would have to say call onkyo. They should give you a new recvr as long as it's still under warranty.

gdb99

12-03-06, 06:31 PM

I knew I should have gotten this last night. The $50 Cyber Monday code has expired. :( Anyone know if any other good deals might be coming up on this system? Or should I just pay the $419 it's going for now? I mean, is this one of the best systems for this $400 price? Thanks.

DemonLos

12-04-06, 12:30 PM

I'm pretty happy with this set up. I hooked it up yesterday and proceeded to shake my whole house while playing Xbox, than i watched some star wars. Light sabres have never sounded better! I replaced the thin stock wire with 16 guage and I am really happy with the end result.

ERICK ZENITH

12-04-06, 03:11 PM

guys how do I do rebate for curcuit city ???

Fragster

12-04-06, 10:33 PM

Forget CC.....Vanns has it for $398 shipped WITH FREE 24" Sanus stands for the front speakers. Unbeatable price with no rebates involved.

F

kbsmoker

12-04-06, 10:57 PM

CC is less than that without even the rebate. I guess that is a good deal if you need the stand also. ;)

pleasehelp

12-04-06, 11:20 PM

Fragster

12-04-06, 11:56 PM

CC is less than that without even the rebate. I guess that is a good deal if you need the stand also. ;)

U r forgetting taxes which add another $30-$40 to the price while Vanns has free shipping and no taxes (al least for CA)

F

VegasDen

12-05-06, 03:23 AM

Just got the silver...got the CC deal and rebate offer so I am happy with the deal. After reading about the box size I did the 5 buck 3-day shipping upgrade (standard was free). CC shipped Friday...got it Monday. Huge box, worth the 5 bucks.

A couple of major NooB questions (hopefully the right place for them):
1. I have a SA8300 DVR cable box. HDMI to the Panny 42" and Optical from the cable box to the receiver. The 8300 has 3 "digital out" options: HDMI, Dolby Digital or Other. HDMI obviously allows TV speakers to work, the other 2 settings not. If I plan on running the receiver most of the time should I set the box for DD?

2. I don't have room for 7.1. In running 5.1 should the surround speakers be in the "Surround back L/R" or "Surround"? And should the receiver be best set at PLIIX or Neo:6 to get the best 5.1?

Again, sorry for what are probably elementary audio questions...new to all this.

Tigershark

12-05-06, 03:28 AM

I just bought the HT-S790 and would like to connect this to the Samsung LN-S4051D. What kind of cables will I need? Should I buy at the retail store or online? Where?

I want to make sure I will be able to plug in other devices (DVD, time warner cable, xbox360 console system, etc.) once I purchase them. I'm new to all of this and would like to setup the entertainment center the best way possible. Your help is greatly appreciated.

Also, anyway to plug in mics for karaoke? If so, where?

Don't get your cables from the store - they are way overpriced. There are a number of Internet sites that sell good cable for much cheaper. I have bought all my cables from Monoprice.com (a forum sponsor) and have no complaints. First, figure out what cables you will need. The HT-S790 receiver has 1 digital coax input and 3 digital optical inputs, so look at your devices to see what they can use. Some use one or the other, some both. Using a pure digital audio cable is better than the standard red/white rca cable. Curiously, the "DVD" setting is defaulted to the digital coaxial input, but this can be changed later.

jewing1043

12-05-06, 12:05 PM

Its great to see that an official thread for this system has been started.
I started with the HT-S760 back in Dec 03 but recently purchased the HT-S790 in Oct
I thought I was having a problem with the receiver but ended up being the HT-UPS system I bought was the cause of the problem
So now I have both systems
The 790 is setup in the HT with the extra sub from the 760
The 760 is in storage for now but will probably be setup in the living room

of course i recommend that you upgrade the wires and subwoofer cables
when i upgraded the speaker wires i also added banana plugs
that made a big difference in sound and also made it much easier to connect

pleasehelp

12-05-06, 02:04 PM

gdb99

12-05-06, 04:16 PM

CC is less than that without even the rebate. I guess that is a good deal if you need the stand also. ;)

CC has it for $419.99 after the $80 online special. Is there another online coupon that they are offering still that I'm missing?

timho

12-05-06, 06:12 PM

CC has it for $419.99 after the $80 online special. Is there another online coupon that they are offering still that I'm missing?

Dude... sorry you missed the deal. Unless you have another CC coupon (try eBay), this is the best you'll get. I think Vann's is having a sale on S790 black for $397 shipped, and they will throw in a set of speaker stands. Probably not as hot as the CC deal... :o

Tim

tbird8450

12-05-06, 06:43 PM

When you take into account the fact that CC charges tax, the Vanns deal is very comparable, especially with the bundled stands (unless you have no use for them).

Tigershark

12-05-06, 08:38 PM

Thank you for the online store suggestion Tigershark.

Here's the cables I saw under the category titled Video Cable - HDMI :
HDMI Cable male to male 28AWG - 6ft w/Ferrite Cores
HDMI to HDMI Cable (24AWG) w/ net jacket- 6ft (Gold Plated) (N)

Which one should I get and what are the difference between the two?

Since I'm connecting it to the Samsung 4051d, I've included the specs from Amazon just to make sure the correct cables are ordered.

* Composite (RCA audio/video): 2 inputs (1 on the side)
* S-Video: 2 inputs (1 on the side)
* Component (Y/Pb/Pr): 1 input
* HDMI: 2 inputs
* PC: 1 D-Sub15 input
* RF: 2 inputs
* Sound monitor output: 1
* Digital optical audio ouput: 1
* Headphone: 1
* RS232 port: 1

The HDMI cable is used to connect two VIDEO devices such as display and DVD player or cable box. Generally, the thicker the cable, the better (whether its HDMI or speaker wire). Therefore, the 24 awg cable should be better than the 28 awg (lower the number, the thicker the cable). Is it worth triple the price? Probably not for short lengths of cable. However, even the 24 awg HDMI cable is a fraction of the price of the cable sold in traditional electronic stores.

Of course, the HT-S790 has no HDMI input or output, so you don't need a HDMI cable for the receiver. Most people would run the audio cables from the source (cable box, DVD player) directly to the receiver, and a seperate redundant (audio & video) run to the display (so you can watch with or without the receiver on). It may be possible to run audio OUT from the TV to the receiver, but that might cause a loss in audio signal quality.

It looks like the Samsung 4051d has a digital audio out. According to the owner's manual here (http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200602/20060222193454984_BN68-00998A-01.pdf) it is an optical audio output. Therefore, you could purchase an audio digital optical cable from the Display and run it to the receiver. Not recommended, but possible.

You mentioned, "Using a pure digital audio cable is better than the standard red/white rca cable."

The specs above list
* Composite (RCA audio/video): 2 inputs (1 on the side)

Is that the standard red/white rca cable you are referring to?

Thats the one, although this particular one is an input (Composite refers to the old-fashion red/white/yellow cable - the lowest quality signal still available). Even component video cables (Red, Green, Blue) still use the Red & White audio cables.

akavlie

12-06-06, 02:48 AM

I have this system shipping right now, and have a tangentially related question: any ideas for routing cable to the rear speakers in an apartment? I can't figure out an elegant solution.

Tigershark

12-06-06, 02:55 AM

I have this system shipping right now, and have a tangentially related question: any ideas for routing cable to the rear speakers in an apartment? I can't figure out an elegant solution.

Can't really do much here. Keep them tight against the floorboards, and run them behind furniture or under rugs. I personally run the left & right wires together, then seperate them at the rear rather than running them separately from the receiver. It takes more speaker wire, but looks nicer, in my opinion.

bclbob

12-06-06, 10:12 AM

There's a $30 MIR at CC today again.

jrosen

12-06-06, 11:11 AM

I'm had been debating between the 504 and the 574. If I decide on the 504, I would probably go ahead and get the HTS790 ($180 gets me the 540 + sub for a bedroom and then spare speakers I can probably find a place for, plus a set of free stands from vanns).

The reason I would go with the 574 would be to get the upconversion to component which I think will simplify the cabling and avoid having to change sources at the TV.

Besides the convenience factor of the upconversion, is there any other significant benefits to the 574 over the 540?

I know its hard for others to comment on the benefit of convenience it would have for me, but I was wondering what others thought of the benefit of being able to have a single component connection vs. at least one other svideo (for a VCR)?

thanks, jon.

akavlie

12-06-06, 01:25 PM

Can't really do much here. Keep them tight against the floorboards, and run them behind furniture or under rugs. I personally run the left & right wires together, then seperate them at the rear rather than running them separately from the receiver. It takes more speaker wire, but looks nicer, in my opinion.

Since this post I've figured out that running wire under the gap between the baseboard and carpet should work well -- the only concern being that two speaker wires and coax cable might be a bit too thick.

Your "rather than running them separately" reference has me a bit confused. You mean rather than running them along their separate, most direct paths to the rears, and trying to conceal them separately?

StormyQ

12-06-06, 02:01 PM

Since this post I've figured out that running wire under the gap between the baseboard and carpet should work well -- the only concern being that two speaker wires and coax cable might be a bit too thick.
I bought the S790 recently and am also considering options for hiding speaker wires and the subwoofer cable going to the front of the room. In-wall wiring is probably not going to be an option. Like you, I'm doubtful that tucking everything under the baseboard will work due to the thickness.

I found some interesting options at cableorganizer.com (http://cableorganizer.com/cable-raceway/). See if there are any solutions that might work for you. I'm considering the "Wiremold 1-piece Raceway" for my room.

http://cableorganizer.com/images/wiremold-latching-raceways/wiremold-raceway-graphic.jpg

Tigershark

12-06-06, 03:48 PM

Your "rather than running them separately" reference has me a bit confused. You mean rather than running them along their separate, most direct paths to the rears, and trying to conceal them separately?

Exactly. It depends on your exact room layout, but most people have a wall on one side of the receiver that they can run the rear speaker wire along. Therefore, you would run both (I actually run all four (l/r surround, l/r rear surround)) together along the wall, then have them end at the different speaker locations. It looks much cleaner, but takes a lot more speaker wire since it isn't the direct route.

If you have a wall on both sides of the receiver (the door or opening is in the rear), then you can run them separately, one wire down each wall.

merowe

12-06-06, 11:26 PM

I'm looking to buy the Onkyo HT-S790 pretty soon, but have one question about the wall mounts. I want to mount my left-front and right-front speakers not to the wall, but to the side of my home entertainment center (I have two pillars next to my TV, one to the left and right). Given this, I will be mounting my speakers from the side, not from behind (where the wall is). I don't know much about the wall mounts, but will this be a problem? I'd like to avoid the use of stands because my living room is cluttered enough as it is. How exactly do most of these mounts work? Do they screw into the speakers or is there (preferably) a bracket that holds it? The pictures on all the store websites don't give me enough info on how they work, so I appreciate any info you guys can give me... Thanks!

Tom

JoeF1950

12-07-06, 12:06 PM

CC has a $30 rebate and a $50 off web only code going

•7.1-channel sound
•8-piece speaker system
•iPod dock-compatible •XM-radio ready
•Onkyo's WRAT technology
•HDTV-capable

$499.99
See sale
price in cart
$30.00 rebates available

Web Only: Save an extra $50, use coupon code SZAQQ9ZAH6

Onkyo Home Theater System (HT-S790)
ONK HTS790 Price was: $499.99
You save: -$80.00
You pay: $419.99
Mail-in rebate(s): -$30.00

Price after rebate(s): $389.99 another $50 off brings it to $339.99

bclbob

12-07-06, 12:45 PM

It's showing 439 now in the cart, not 419.

JoeF1950

12-07-06, 01:09 PM

It's showing 439 now in the cart, not 419.

WOW jumped $20 in 40 minutes. I cut that info just before I posted it

kbsmoker

12-07-06, 05:26 PM

Commex

12-07-06, 09:11 PM

cnvrtble98

12-07-06, 10:13 PM

Yeah I've been watching this for the best deal and lost out by not purchasing it last night...gonna get it for the current deal anyways after reading all these reviews...

WOW jumped $20 in 40 minutes. I cut that info just before I posted it

merowe

12-07-06, 11:50 PM

Yeah I've been watching this for the best deal and lost out by not purchasing it last night...gonna get it for the current deal anyways after reading all these reviews...

Check out shoponkyo (still under 5 posts, so can't post the link). You can right now purchase refurbished units for 329. The site says 349, but when I went to the checkout page, it showed 339. Also, if you sign up as a new member to their site, you get 10 Onkyo Points, which results in a price drop of $10 for the HTIB. Pretty Good deal!

akavlie

12-08-06, 01:36 AM

Tigershark

12-08-06, 03:52 AM

Just got the system today.
3-day shipping for free, can't beat that!

Anyway, pulled out the receiver. It's rather large.
I just got a Lack TV stand at Ikea. Its under-TV shelf is rather low. Hmm, this could pose a problem...

OK, so the receiver fits... barely. Seriously, one millimeter higher and there would be no chance. But such a tight fit means major air-vent blockage up top. Not good.

Any bright ideas, or am I forced to get creative with this?
(creative, as in, put it somewhere else, like umm... the floor?)

You definitely need to give this (or any decent receiver) enough room to vent all the heat that builds up. That TV stand is probably designed for true HTIB's that have a built in DVD player, yet are half the height (mainly due to the fact that the receiver is half as good as the one in the HT-S790).

Get creative and put the receiver somewhere else to allow it to cool.

G-star

12-08-06, 07:43 AM

OK, so the receiver fits... barely. Seriously, one millimeter higher and there would be no chance. But such a tight fit means major air-vent blockage up top. Not good.

most any analog receiver runs warm, but that onkyo receiver runs downright HOT. 1mm is absolutely not enough space for that receiver, you need at least 4" up top and in back, at a minimum. time to get creative.

Tigershark

12-08-06, 02:38 PM

This is probably a stupid question, however:

Can you mount the front speakers using any speaker mounts? I may just have to build small shelves on my wall so I can mount these beasts (Compared to my current JVC TH-C30)

No, the front speakers on this system are just too large for regular "satellite" speaker mounts. And there are no mounting holes or screw openings on the front speakers (the rear have mounting holes to slip over a nail head). Check some of the earlier posts for suggestions for speaker mounts.

Sportspulse

12-09-06, 11:47 AM

kanate

12-09-06, 02:30 PM

I got one from circuitcity yesterday :) ordered online around 1pm and went to the store to pickup around 4pm. When I was there, they didnt have my system ready to pick up at the counter, so I got free $24 Gift card! even better deal :D

akavlie

12-09-06, 05:42 PM

Tigershark

12-10-06, 04:21 AM

I'm happy to join the S790 group. My first HTIB and not only does it looks great but sounds great so far.

Okay I'm a newbie but I know I need to calibrate the sound. What is the best way to do that? What tools do I need?

Also I see people talking about upgrading the speaker wires. What thickness should I buy? I keep seeing 16 gauge mentioned.

Thanks in advance

Most people would suggest using 16 or 14 gauge speaker wire. Any thicker, and it won't fit. Any thinner, and it wouldn't be much of an upgrade from the stock wire (which is 22 gauge).

Tigershark

12-10-06, 04:27 AM

How high is everyone placing their front speakers? Just got the fronts and sub hooker up here, and on our TV stand, the measure about two feet from the floor at the center -- a good 15 inches from ear height at least. I'm thinking they might need a boost, as ear height is supposed to be best.

Tigershark, yours look pretty low too. How high are they, and are you happy with the sound at this height?

The bottom of my speakers are just 18" off the ground. Too low? Probably. Like you said, the ideal height of the speaker should be at ear height (sitting down, of course). Ideally, that would mean moving my speakers about a 1' higher so the tweaters would be at the right height. Of course, the speakers fill the room so well that I really can't tell. Plus, if I moved them higher then I couldn't use my nice speaker stands.

tbird8450

12-10-06, 07:16 AM

w8liftr

12-10-06, 08:45 AM

I bought the HT-S790S for my 2nd HT setup in my game room for my 360. I really like the system & for the $$, it is a great deal. The receiver does run very hot, mine has actually shut down after being on for 4-5 hours straight (son left it on). My stand has about 2" above the receiver and is pretty open behind it. I haven't had that problem again, but when it happened the amplifier was very hot. I've been running the system pretty hard to see if I need to return the receiver just in case something is wrong. Like I said I am really pleased with the system and would recommend it to anyone who wants a HT on a budget.

nickolasj80

12-10-06, 06:06 PM

If I decided to replace the R/L main speakers with a pair of good floor standings, would the receiver be able to power the floor speakers for high volume music listening?

Tigershark

12-10-06, 07:18 PM

If one wanted to use this system as a 5.1, should they ditch the surround speakers or the surround rear speakers? Looking at the specs, they appear to be absolutely identical, but they still have different model numbers.

Also, what would need to be done on the receiver end to make such a configuration work optimally?

The surround speakers and rear surround speakers are identical (even if they have different part numbers). Just to be consistent, dump the rear surround speakers.

To set the receiver to output 5.1, you can just change the speakers setting - it is pretty easy. Also, if you are inclined, if you switch the receiver to a 5.1 setup, you can run 2 other speakers as fronts off the "B" speaker output (such as in a different room). There really is no downside to getting this 7.1 receiver as it can emmulate a 5.1 receiver with little difficulty.

Tigershark

12-10-06, 07:20 PM

If I decided to replace the R/L main speakers with a pair of good floor standings, would the receiver be able to power the floor speakers for high volume music listening?

The strength of this system is the receiver. It should be able to handle most floor speakers you swap in for the fronts.

G-star

12-10-06, 07:53 PM

If I decided to replace the R/L main speakers with a pair of good floor standings, would the receiver be able to power the floor speakers for high volume music listening?

yes, this receiver will handle most any pair of speakers easily, provided they're rated at an impedance of 8ohms.

have you bought this system yet? if you're already pondering replacing the mains, chances are you won't be happy with their subpar, muddy performance on movie dialouge and music. i'd suggest you do yourself a big favor and start researching budget component systems. you'll save yourself time, money, and probably be happier in the long run.

DC9781

12-10-06, 09:31 PM

Has anyone with HT-S790 system experienced a delay between the audio and video? I just bought the system over the weekend and plan on using it with my projector. I would not be running any video into\out of the receiver (using and HDMI switch instead) and want to make sure this isn't going to be an issue.

Tigershark

12-11-06, 03:46 AM

yes, this receiver will handle most any pair of speakers easily, provided they're rated at an impedance of 8ohms.

have you bought this system yet? if you're already pondering replacing the mains, chances are you won't be happy with their subpar, muddy performance on movie dialouge and music. i'd suggest you do yourself a big favor and start researching budget component systems. you'll save yourself time, money, and probably be happier in the long run.

I would second this. This is a great starter system, and works fine for most situations. But if you are planning on swapping out the fronts and/or sub, you would probably be better off just getting the receiver by itself and building a system from scratch.

downhill65

12-11-06, 08:38 AM

mosuavea

12-11-06, 09:04 AM

Jumped on the refurb deal at shop onkyo, system should be here Wednesday, just in time for a weekend job.

This will be my first home theater setup and I am in the market for something to use as stands for the front.

I knid of want to shy away from the stands mentioned in the first post since I could use the storage space (DVDs, 360 games, etc) and I am a little afraid the stands wont hold up to my rather adveturous cat.

I would love to do it on the cheap, and I would need a pair of small media storage units.

Ideas?

Tigershark

12-11-06, 04:10 PM

Need advice guys!
I got my new HT-S790 system out of the box yesterday. Hooked it up and run it for an hour or so on a low volume level -my kids were sleeping-.

Suddenly the receiver shut itself down. The receiver was pretty hot but its placed in a huge entertainment center with 15" of free space above. Something must be wrong.
Is there anything I can check for? Is there anything I can do wrong?

I can't start it up anymore as it shuts itself down immediately.
Any ideas?

Something sounds wrong here. The unit has to cool down before it can be restrated. You should be able to start it up after it has cooled down.

That being said, it sounds pretty suspicious that it would overheat after just an hour at low volume with 15" of free space above it. I run mine all the time for 3+ hours in an enclosed entertainment center with just 6" of space above it with no problems. If it happens again, I would return it for another one as the receiver must be defective. Maybe call the store where you got it if you can just bring in the receiver to swap so you don't need to bring that huge box back.

afrogt

12-11-06, 06:52 PM

before returning the unit, check your wiring. Are you using banana plugs or bare wire? If bare wire, check to see if any loose strands are touching another terminal. This will casue a short and make the unit shut off. Also try to localize the problem by unplugging all speakers and then adding one at a time to see when the system shuts off.

Tigershark

12-11-06, 09:28 PM

pleasehelp

12-11-06, 09:32 PM

Tigershark

12-11-06, 09:39 PM

Thanks to tigershark for the store suggestion. I received both the hdmi and component cable in short amount of time.

Since the cable box have both hdmi and component, which setup should I use to get the best output:

hdmi from cable box to lcd then component w/audio from lcd to Okyo
-or-
component from cable box to Onkyo then component from Onkyo to LCD

I would go with a third option. HDMI from the cable box to lcd and Digital coaxial/optical audio cable to the receiver. This ensures a pure digital output to both display and receiver. If the two above are the only options, I would go with the first option. That preserves the digital connection between the source and display. That is, of course, unless your cable box has issues with HDMI. My Scientific Atlanta 8300HD has known issues with HDMI, and therefore it is recommended to use component output. In that case, option #2 is the best.

Final say: try both ways and judge for yourself. Everyone's setup and equipment is different and therefore will result in different "best" setups.

DC9781

12-11-06, 10:31 PM

Tigershark,

I'm curious what are your known issues with the Scientific Atlanta 8300 HD ? I have one of these as well from my cable provider and it will be in the mix of my setup with the HT-S790S

Fragster

12-12-06, 12:53 AM

Im pretty much decided on the S790 for my new home (pre-wired for 5.1) but hows the build quality on this unit, especially various members have reported it has overheating issues, plus I live in Sacramento where it gets around 100 deg in summer!!

Any owners that has the unit for more than a year without having to calling Onkyo?? My second option is the 5.1 Yahama (YHT-370) that seems to get a lot of praises and less issues (??)

Thanks
F

Tigershark

12-12-06, 03:31 AM

Tigershark,

I'm curious what are your known issues with the Scientific Atlanta 8300 HD ? I have one of these as well from my cable provider and it will be in the mix of my setup with the HT-S790S

You can check out the AVS thread on the SA8300HD problems here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=586837). Just search the thread for "HDMI" and read. In short, since HDMI is so picky, there are lots of problems with dropped audio, blank screens, lip sync issues, and glitches in the video. But you should try it both ways since it seems to work better with some cable companies and some displays than others.

1201smain

12-12-06, 01:39 PM

Does anyone know if Sirius can be run through the XM port or if there's a something that allows me to use the HT-S790 as a Sirius receiver? Thanks in advance.

pleasehelp

12-12-06, 05:34 PM

Where do microphones plug into?

afrogt

12-12-06, 06:39 PM

what microphones?

nkettell

12-12-06, 07:49 PM

I was originally going to get a Logitech Z5500 but have come across the S790.

The problem is that I need an upgraded DVD player, the one I have only has component video and stereo out.

This leads me to the S907. I think that DVD player offers everything I need now and will in the future. I like my the TV I have which is a CRT.

Do you think the S907 is a good deal?

Ned

theantidote

12-12-06, 08:42 PM

This is a pretty stupid question but bear with me, I'm new at this.

I have a DirecTV HR20 that should be outputting Dolby Digital 5.1 audio but I'm not 100% certain that the receiver is outputting it right. Now right now I'm using regular RCA cables for audio so that may be the thing. I will be upgrading to optical cables the second I can run out to Radioshack or wherever I can find them cheap.

So with RCA cables can I get 5.1 DD output or will I have to wait until I get my optical ones in?

Also, if it does work how will I know that it's working? What "Listening Mode" on the receiver should I be using because as far as I can tell they all seem to emulate or fake 5.1+ audio.

Once again I'm really new at this so this probably sounds really stupid.

akavlie

12-12-06, 08:59 PM

G-star

12-12-06, 09:11 PM

So with RCA cables can I get 5.1 DD output or will I have to wait until I get my optical ones in?

Also, if it does work how will I know that it's working?

no, you can't get digital audio streams with analog (RCA) cables. you MUST use optical or coaxial digital audio cables to enjoy discreet 5.1 audio. you'll know its working correctly b/c the receiver will display "Dolby D" as the audio format.

also, you must set the audio output on the DVD player to "bitstream". by default, most DVD players are set to output audio as "PCM", which WILL NOT give you multichannel audio, whether you are using analog or digital audio cables.

theantidote

12-12-06, 09:30 PM

no, you can't get digital audio streams with analog (RCA) cables. you MUST use optical or coaxial digital audio cables to enjoy discreet 5.1 audio. you'll know its working correctly b/c the receiver will display "Dolby D" as the audio format.

also, you must set the audio output on the DVD player to "bitstream". by default, most DVD players are set to output audio as "PCM", which WILL NOT give you multichannel audio, whether you are using analog or digital audio cables.

Thanks that makes sense. I figured a DD light would light up but I wasn't sure.

Tigershark

12-12-06, 09:32 PM

Setting up this sound system seems to be getting more and more complicated. Just got the display today (Westinghouse 42"), which seems very nice from the limited time I've been able to spend with it so far. But putting the center speaker right in front of the display blocks the IR input, and I'd rather have the display at the front of the TV unit anyway. Furthermore, the center speaker doesn't quite fit on the shelf below the display.

So two possibilities that I can think of -- somehow put the display on a separate platform and put the center speaker underneath, or get the speaker right above the display somehow. Don't know how I would accomplish either.

The TV stand is right in the middle of the room, so a shelf attached to the wall will not work.

I'd put a picture up, which would probably make it easier to understand things, but I'm at work right now. Hopefully my description is sufficient.

A picture would certainly help. Depending on your TV unit, a speaker stand for the center speaker in front of the unit might work. I have even seen center speakers placed on a tall platform (such as a DVD storage unit) behind the TV so it appears to float above the display. Of couse, worse come to worse, the HT-S790 can have the front speakers "fake" a center speaker, but that would be the last option. That center speaker is definitely big.

If you are willing to change your TV unit, there are some that specialize in accomidating large center channel speakers. This one (http://www.racksandstands.com/Plateau-SR-V-65-E-PT0140.html) can handle a 23" center channel. There is a seperate furniture thread here that offers a wealth of options, some cheap, some expensive.

akavlie

12-12-06, 10:23 PM

A picture would certainly help. Depending on your TV unit, a speaker stand for the center speaker in front of the unit might work. I have even seen center speakers placed on a tall platform (such as a DVD storage unit) behind the TV so it appears to float above the display. Of couse, worse come to worse, the HT-S790 can have the front speakers "fake" a center speaker, but that would be the last option. That center speaker is definitely big.

If you are willing to change your TV unit, there are some that specialize in accomidating large center channel speakers. This one (http://www.racksandstands.com/Plateau-SR-V-65-E-PT0140.html) can handle a 23" center channel. There is a seperate furniture thread here that offers a wealth of options, some cheap, some expensive.

I'll see about posting a pic tonight or tomorrow.
I don't see how the front would work very well, aesthetically primarily... a tall platform behind would be an excellent option, if I can get something with just the right height, or an adjustable height.

A link to that furniture thread would be appreciated, I could not find it. $700 for the one you linked to is definitely way beyond what I would consider though.

tbird8450

12-12-06, 10:33 PM

I just installed my new S790, only to discover that I came up short on speaker wire by 5 friggin feet. The result is that the center channel isn't quite, uhh, centered. Do any of the big chains sell cut-to-length 14 gauge? I'd hate to dish out a bunch of money on a 30 or 50 foot spool, only to use a fraction of the wire.

Thanks.

akavlie

12-12-06, 10:45 PM

Another issue I have been looking into is a good set of stands for the rear speakers. Omnimount makes some adjustable height pole stands that Circuit City sells, but those have been criticized by several reviewers as 16 gauge speaker wire will not fit in the poles. Any recommendations?

bsheldon

12-12-06, 11:44 PM

I recently helped a friend set up his new s790 system. Here are my observations.
First of all, just let me say I am not a fan of HTIB's as a general rule. I put together a couple of modest systems in the last few years that I am sure would out perform most HTIB's for similar money. I also understand that most HTIB are made for simplicity first and foremost, I obviously didn't have that as a main objective, nor the pretty aesthetics. My buddy has seen my most recent humble system and asked me for some advice in picking out a small system for his downstairs. He has an older Onkyo stereo receiver that he loves, plus another buddy of ours has one of the smaller Onkyo HTIB that he loves. So I did some research and came to the conclusion that the onkyos, which was an easy sell to him, are the way to go mainly because you get a real receiver that you can later upgrade the speakers with. He got some online gift certificates through a promo at work and one of the places had the ht-s790 available and he jumped on it for a total of a little over $100 out of pocket. So here is what I found.

After doing some research and re-reading the specs that the OP listed at the beginning of this thread and comparing that to what actually showed up in the huge box was interesting to say the least. The first and biggest "misprint" is the speaker size. Some places list 5" and others say 5 1/4", but in actuality they are 4" drivers. Kind of a disapointment. The next was the Wattage rating on the subwoofer. There are no settings on the sub besides the gain and it has in large letters 130W--that is about it. Why they just don't say that in the specs instead of 230 is a bit of mystery.
Also, I am not quite sure if the surrounds are two ways or not. I got out a flash light to try to shine through the fabric grill which is not removable. It kind of looks like it has a tweter and about a 3 in driver. THe light really wasn't bright enough to see adequately. Further inspection of the mains left me a little disapointed. They are very light weight made out of about 3/8 light density fiberboard. The rear port is not flared at all on either end. Also there is no insulation at all--unless you count the little round piece they glued to the back of the tweeter which is in line with the rear port. Upon first inspection--if you look in the port it appears to an insulated interior. It is not--just that tiny, thin circle the size of the port. I looked further to see if I could pull the speakers out to see if we could put some in ourselves. Although that proved futile as well. The speakers have the decorative silver plastic glued over the mounting holes. So you are kind of stuck with what you get. They have a bit of a hollow mid-bass sound that I am sure insulation would help, but not to be. The sub itself isn't too terrible from a pure performance standpoint. It doesn't go that deep, but that was expected. It is extremely light wieght for a "SUBwoofer," but it almost adequately fills out the bottom to a degree where the mains leave off. I got out my AVIA test disc and meter and found some other interesting discoveries. I ran the test tones on built into the receiver adn set all the levels the same. They were all +/-1 db or so. Then with the test tones on the disc they were no longer even close to being the same. There were several other intricasies that I didin't like, but I think most of them will be fixed by a digital audio signal. For example, the receiver doesn't really know what to do with test tones in its various "surround sound" modes. It would not sperate a left rear or a right rear in some and others it just sent one signal to both. Plus what is this DTS nonsense it says it is doing? If if isn't fed DTS it can't really be playing DTS--you need a digital signal for that. My buddy was disapointed because I brought over my DTS 9.1 sample disc I got last year. He has heard it at my house and another buddy's so we kind of had a reference--plus they are real cool. I am not quite sure the reciever knows what to do when it is being fed a stereo signal and you put it in DTS--or any of the other surround modes for that matter. Plus what the heck is this nueral surround--seems like another sticker to put on the front without much of a benefit. It didn't seem much different than the pro logic II.
Now don't get the impression that I am here to bash this system--I am not. I am just trying to inform people of what I found. Most of the surround issues I am sure will be sorted out with a simple digital coax cable. Now on to the only thing that really matters, how does it sound and perform. To put it simply--quite well. those light little see through thin plastic 4" drivers in the mains really can crank out some spl's. The amp is pretty nice and really has a lot of power to crank up the volume to some rather loud levels--in multi channel steroe or just even 2 channel stereo. It isn't as clean as what I am used to--again to be expected. Ypu can hear a fair amount of hiss with the volume turned up and nothing playing, but not too much still rather acceptable. For music it is pretty decent. No real lows and like I mentioned before the mid bass region is a little hollow and lacks some definition, but definately not the worst system I have heard by a long shot. I measured the sub and it starts to fall off a cliff right at 40hz and is silent by about 32 hz. Its stays silent until about 27hz or so and then it emits some awful rattling/clanking noises until about 23hz--100% silent below that. It really isn't that peaky like most subs in this price range of htib's which is good. Useful output to right below 40hz. I didn't do a full graph with idividual test tones and a meter, but ran multiple slow sweeps on AVIA. I would guess the -3 point to be 38 or 39 hz and the -6 to be just below that at perhaps 36 or 37hz as it drops off fast. I put Star wars EP II to first hear the THX logo--cranked at a pretty good level. It was clearly lacking the depth and the rumble, but still respectable. I let it play through the initial fly-over and the explosion--not at all what I am used to. Still though there is enough of a hint of bass there to portray that there is supposed to be something going on. You do still get the message for the most part. I deliberately tortured the sub an put in ch5 of WOW just to see, again not at all earth shattering like the scene is meant to be, but you understand what is going on. Agian I was amazed at how loud the system is capable of playing--granted we were in a very small room, maybe 16 x 10 with just plain walls--lots of reflection. Plus the receiver seemed like it still had a lot of room left to keep going. I don't know what the top number is but I know we got it up past 65--this was plenty loud and really louder than you could comfortably sit through entire movie at.
Now I may have been evaluating this system like it should cost $1000 and at that price I would have some real gripes, but for the $400 or so that this system can be had for there is no way you can get hurt and my issues really are not that big. The only things that are truly disappointing is the BS marketing crap about the wattage of the sub and the size of the speakers. The reciever itself if the reason I told him to buy this system and it does not disappoint. He got it for that and the speakers being a bonus, even if they were total garbage and that is not the case. They are decent enough, I just wish I could open them up to get much more out of them. They are attractive enough as well, doesn't really play into my evaluation though as my favorite looking speakers tend to be the ones you don't see--plain black is my favorite. In this price range, I don't see any better way to spend your money. It really is a good buy.

Tigershark

12-13-06, 03:24 AM

I'll see about posting a pic tonight or tomorrow.
I don't see how the front would work very well, aesthetically primarily... a tall platform behind would be an excellent option, if I can get something with just the right height, or an adjustable height.

A link to that furniture thread would be appreciated, I could not find it. $700 for the one you linked to is definitely way beyond what I would consider though.

Here is the furniture thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=416358) . Excellent thread with lots of pictures. Like I said, the furniture ranges from cheap to expensive to really expensive. Still, it is a great thread for ideas.

Note: The behind the TV center speaker stand that I posted earlier about was in a separate "setups" thread that was closed down earlier. It looked great though.

afrogt

12-13-06, 03:34 AM

Do any of the big chains sell cut-to-length 14 gauge? I'd hate to dish out a bunch of money on a 30 or 50 foot spool, only to use a fraction of the wire.

Home Depot and Lowes have big spools of wire. You can get it cut to any length you desire. They charge by the foot.

G-star

12-13-06, 07:49 AM

bsheldon-

nice detailed write up. an honest analysis of this system which is at the top of the HTIB heap...should be required reading for anyone contemplating this system.

pleasehelp

12-13-06, 11:43 AM

what microphones?

Well, I plan to get microphones and wanted to find out where I can plug them into. I don't recall seeing a mic in like I would on a PC. Anyone?

afrogt

12-13-06, 12:30 PM

Receivers generally don't come with mic inputs.

akavlie

12-13-06, 12:36 PM

Tigershark

12-13-06, 03:13 PM

Now I may have been evaluating this system like it should cost $1000 and at that price I would have some real gripes, but for the $400 or so that this system can be had for there is no way you can get hurt and my issues really are not that big. The only things that are truly disappointing is the BS marketing crap about the wattage of the sub and the size of the speakers. The reciever itself if the reason I told him to buy this system and it does not disappoint. He got it for that and the speakers being a bonus, even if they were total garbage and that is not the case. They are decent enough, I just wish I could open them up to get much more out of them. They are attractive enough as well, doesn't really play into my evaluation though as my favorite looking speakers tend to be the ones you don't see--plain black is my favorite. In this price range, I don't see any better way to spend your money. It really is a good buy.

Great review. Your final conclusion pretty much sums up this system: A great receiver paired up with somewhat decent speakers, for a price that is a bargain. If you compare this to a component system, there are definite weak points (the surround and rear surround speakers especially). But it will blow away any other HTIB out there is its price range. For a lot of people, the appeal of a matching all in one box solution is worth more than trying to obtain that extra 1% of performance.

As for the wattage and speaker sizes, my 1st post has the official #s. As stated in that post, the receiver in this HTIB is rated at 110W/ch while the actual standalone receiver is rated at 85W/ch (but at lower distortion). So yes, marketing has a say here - claiming a higher wattage rating (which people read) at higher distortion (which no one reads). 1000W seems to be the magic marketing number among 7.1 HTIBs.

Can't say why the discrepency about speaker sizes. That would be false advertising. The official website claims the fronts use dual 5 1/4", the center uses dual 4", and the surrounds and rear surrounds use a single 4". Is that what you saw?

Tigershark

12-13-06, 03:31 PM

OK, here are a couple of pics of my setup thus far.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8495/lack1tm9.th.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lack1tm9.jpg)
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/694/lack2kh1.th.jpg (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lack2kh1.jpg)

Note that the top of the stand is less than 14 inches high.

I have a crazy idea for modifying this that would kill two birds with one stone -- create a place for the center channel, and lift the display to a more ideal height:

Take the top of a Lack coffee table (http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?topcategoryId=15564&catalogId=10103&storeId=12&productId=11411&langId=-1&categoryId=15799&chosenPartNumber=00095036) and put it on top of the stand, supported by 6" Capita legs (http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?topcategoryId=15576&catalogId=10103&storeId=12&productId=25954&amp;amp;amp;langId=-1&categoryId=16303&chosenPartNumber=20049538).

I would still need separate stands to lift the speakers higher though. And I've got to figure out stands for the rears too.

The pictures help quite a bit. You will find that the furniture you use plays a big part in the enjoyment of the system. From the picture, that TV stand seems a bit small and definitely too short. Mine is 20" tall and I wish it was at least 4" higher. I wouldn't be too keen on trusting a setup of a table on top of a stand. It may be a cheap solution, but doesn't sound too stable to put a $1,000+ TV on.

Just my opinion, but I would save your stand for a 2nd TV, and get a new stand that would be better suited for a HT setup. Since you seem to have an Ikea nearby, how about this one (http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?topcategoryId=17071&catalogId=10103&storeId=12&productId=11726&langId=-1&chosenPartNumber=10033463)? Just $139 and would solve your center speaker and TV height problem. If you prefer a dark wood, this one (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6982143&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03116&id=1099388426454) at Best Buy ($278) might fit the bill.

Fragster

12-13-06, 03:40 PM

Appears my post got lost way back.....anyway, since there's been several reports of the S790 getting overheated constantly, does this affect the reliability of the product itself?

Anybody here who has owned this system for more than a year? Anybody who actually had a hardware failure cos of the overheating issues on the receiver?

Thanks
F
PS: Very close to pulling the trigger on the S790 by X-Mas.

BlueGTS

12-13-06, 03:58 PM

I am having some serious Video issues when using the HT-S790 and wonder if I should return it and go with a different brand all together. I have a 360 connected to component video in and component video out to a new Mitsubishi 1000U projector. When playing the 360 I see waves ripple through the screen intermittently. It usually takes 5 minutes for them to appear and they can go away and come back. The reason I believe it is the S790 is when I connect the 360 directly to the projector I get no wavy ripples.

I went so far as to return the receiver and get a new one, (the “old” one is only 10 days old).

Does anyone think that the fact that the 360 and projector are grounded with three prong electrical cords and the S790 is only a 2 prong would make a difference? I am wonder if the floating ground of the S790 is my issue. If so should I run a wire from a chassis screw to an outlet ground?

Any help would be appreciated as I really wanted to like this system but it is hurting my video significantly.

tbird8450

12-13-06, 09:45 PM

The official website claims the fronts use dual 5 1/4", the center uses dual 4", and the surrounds and rear surrounds use a single 4". Is that what you saw?

The front speakers are definitely equipped with 4" drivers, even though it says 5" right on the box. Lame for sure.

bsheldon

12-13-06, 10:26 PM

Tigershark, like tbird says, they are definately 4" drivers--the one thing that is kinda a quasi truth about it is the speaker's total outside diameter with the fancy plastic trim IS 5 1/4 inches--but not the driver. I have a set of minitowers that have dual 5 1/4 drivers and they are definately larger. I did get out a tape to measure and measured the drivers on the s790--4" exactly. Again kind of a borderline flat out lie. As most of you probably know, there is alot more to a good driver than just the size and these definately are not top of the line by any means, but they sure do have some rather impressive output capabilities. In a small to medium sized room they get plenty loud for even rather serious volume junkies.

G-star

12-13-06, 10:34 PM

For a lot of people, the appeal of a matching all in one box solution is worth more than trying to obtain that extra 1% of performance.

i've owned both an onkyo HTIB and a budget component system. trust me, there's more than a 1% difference. ;)

akavlie

12-13-06, 10:59 PM

The pictures help quite a bit. You will find that the furniture you use plays a big part in the enjoyment of the system. From the picture, that TV stand seems a bit small and definitely too short. Mine is 20" tall and I wish it was at least 4" higher. I wouldn't be too keen on trusting a setup of a table on top of a stand. It may be a cheap solution, but doesn't sound too stable to put a $1,000+ TV on.

Just my opinion, but I would save your stand for a 2nd TV, and get a new stand that would be better suited for a HT setup. Since you seem to have an Ikea nearby, how about this one (http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?topcategoryId=17071&catalogId=10103&storeId=12&productId=11726&langId=-1&chosenPartNumber=10033463)? Just $139 and would solve your center speaker and TV height problem. If you prefer a dark wood, this one (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6982143&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03116&id=1099388426454) at Best Buy ($278) might fit the bill.

Appreciate the suggestions, Tigershark. The TV stand is quite short, but not sure in what other sense you think it is too small -- it's actually quite spacious I think, according to the other options.

That Magiker $139 unit you linked to actually seems ideal, though it would be nice if it were available in black as we already got a black Benno CD/DVD tower to match the TV stand. Are you sure that would accomodate the center speaker though? It doesn't look like it -- the center shelving is too narrow.

Also, there would not be enough room to the sides of the display for speakers with this -- we would have to get speaker stands.

pleasehelp

12-13-06, 11:53 PM

akavlie

12-14-06, 12:17 AM

I'm trying to figure out why the Onkyo speakers and the bass are outputing very low while my old Altec Lansing 2.1 for my PC is much louder at low volume level. Even the bass has more kick to it.

The volume on the Onkyo is currently on 40 and the bass is maxed out, but yet, I don't feel it's even trying hard enough. Something must be setup incorrectly, so I'm reaching out to everyone once again for assistance.

Have you tried changing the crossover frequency? It should be set to 120Hz, default is 100. That might help with the bass, though not sure what would be causing low output for the speakers in general...

You say the PC speakers are much louder at low volume level... that's like a contradiction in terms. Can you explain more thoroughly?

Tigershark

12-14-06, 03:39 AM

i've owned both an onkyo HTIB and a budget component system. trust me, there's more than a 1% difference. ;)

Perhaps it is better put that only 1% of the general population can tell the difference between this Onkyo HTIB and a budget component system (and they are all AVS Forum members). Let's face it, most people think a $300 HTIB with a built in DVD changer that they bought at the big box warehouse is impressive. I know, because I used to be one of them. Of course, I learned ...

Can this beat a properly matched budget component system? Probably not. But it serves my needs for a good price, which is what a HTIB should do.

G-star

12-14-06, 12:27 PM

Perhaps it is better put that only 1% of the general population can tell the difference between this Onkyo HTIB and a budget component system (and they are all AVS Forum members).

Exactly.

this is why i try to steer those who come to AVS away from these HTIB's...they're usually the type of people who can tell (and would appreciate) the advantages budget component systems hold over even the better all-in-one systems.

Hogan

12-14-06, 12:34 PM

Was (am) close to pulling trigger on HT790. Being tempted to spend closer to 600-700 on some better Internet Direct speakers, separate sub, etc. I am a "value junkie" and to me the HT790 looks like a great value, echoed by all that I read on this post. But any HTIB gets poo-poohed everywhere else on these boards.

I am NOT an audiophile, as all I've ever owned was a boombox. Looking for a good HT system to pair with a new DLP. Want it to sound great. As not an audiophile, don't know all the minute differences between ribbon tweeters, etc. Not a techno person who will get intangible benefit of knowing that I have 5-way binding posts vs spring clips.

Basically want a great sounding system. If you take a step back and tell me that I am likely to notice substantial improvements with a pieced-together system, I will be happy to make that investment. Otherwise I'll probably pop for the HT790. Don't want to shortchange myself though, if I'm spending $3000 for TV and furniture whats a couple hundred extra bucks on better speakers.

Its the AVS paradox - LOTS of great info here, but also have the self-selection issue - you're talking to the 5% of people who really examine this stuff closely, and therefore their standards of what is "acceptable" or "good" may be skewed.

Bumsi

12-14-06, 12:50 PM

Exactly.

this is why i try to steer those who come to AVS away from these HTIB's...they're usually the type of people who can tell (and would appreciate) the advantages budget component systems hold over even the better all-in-one systems.

:(
I'm in Hogan's arena, just wanted good sound to go with my new HD television as I had to replace the old one and it made sense to get HD and a larger size...I bought this system for $329.00 two week ago (w/rebates) new from CC. However, it is still in the box as I have had no time with work to set it up. From some of the comments here, one can get the impression that they made or will be making a mistake with this "HTIB" OR any other "HTIB" as they are only for those who do not know better or are unaccustomed to the "finer things in life".

SOoooo...is this system lacking for Hogan, mine and folks like us who are just normal wanna watch and listen to good home entertainment (with out a special dedicated "Home Theater",with thick drapes and free popcorn) :confused: If so mines going back!

Tigershark

12-14-06, 03:02 PM

:(
I'm in Hogan's arena, just wanted good sound to go with my new HD television as I had to replace the old one and it made sense to get HD and a larger size...I bought this system for $329.00 two week ago (w/rebates) new from CC. However, it is still in the box as I have had no time with work to set it up. From some of the comments here, one can get the impression that they made or will be making a mistake with this "HTIB" OR any other "HTIB" as they are only for those who do not know better or are unaccustomed to the "finer things in life".

SOoooo...is this system lacking for Hogan, mine and folks like us who are just normal wanna watch and listen to good home entertainment (with out a special dedicated "Home Theater",with thick drapes and free popcorn) :confused: If so mines going back!

There are many arguements against HTIBs here at AVS - and I won't deny that they are good arguements. Yes, you can put together a budget component system (but probably spend a bit more than $3xx) if you follow some of the other threads here. At some point in the future, I will do just that. But for now, I wanted an audio system that provides excellent value for a low price, and this system fits the bill.

In addition, I was a little wary about putting together a system when the whole HDMI thing hasn't been sorted out yet. True HDMI receivers (not pass-throughs) start around $400, and I was hesitant to buy one until the 1.3 standard came out and receivers had more than 2 inputs. So what to do in the meantime? Get the HT-S790 for cheap, enjoy it, and in 2 years move it into the living room when I build a "real" system for my "theater."

Ultimately, it's your decision. And if you decide to go the HTIB route, this is hands down one of the best out there for the price.

Tigershark

12-14-06, 03:03 PM

Appreciate the suggestions, Tigershark. The TV stand is quite short, but not sure in what other sense you think it is too small -- it's actually quite spacious I think, according to the other options.

That Magiker $139 unit you linked to actually seems ideal, though it would be nice if it were available in black as we already got a black Benno CD/DVD tower to match the TV stand. Are you sure that would accomodate the center speaker though? It doesn't look like it -- the center shelving is too narrow.

Also, there would not be enough room to the sides of the display for speakers with this -- we would have to get speaker stands.

The two examples I gave are just that, examples. The key is to look around at what's available in your area, budget, and decorating tastes see if there is a better option than trying to fabricate something with your existing TV stand and a coffee table. Take your time looking for the right furniture - it makes a big difference. Don't forget appearance and color - they are just as important as dimensions. And don't skimp on max load rating and the # of components it can hold - you might just "upgrade" your Home Theater setup one of these days.

As for the IKEA stand, it is 23 5/8" deep. That should be deep enough to put the center speaker in front of the TV on the top of the stand (like my set-up). Stands that actually have enough room to fit a center speaker in the stand (rather than on top of them) are hard to find and expensive. How wide is your existing TV stand? Since your front speakers can fit on them now, find a replacement stand should be at least that wide.

pleasehelp

12-14-06, 03:52 PM

Have you tried changing the crossover frequency? It should be set to 120Hz, default is 100. That might help with the bass, though not sure what would be causing low output for the speakers in general...

You say the PC speakers are much louder at low volume level... that's like a contradiction in terms. Can you explain more thoroughly?

Thanks for the response. Can you tell me where do I change the crossover frequency?

As for the PC speakers, I have the windows volume control currently at the 2nd marker from the bottom and in the back of the altec subwoofer, I would guess 10%. I don't know how to describe it, but if you look at the clock and the off position for the subwoofer is 7, I have it turned up to 8. If I turn it to the 10 position, it's too strong.

Maybe it's the fault of mine as I don't know enough about the cabling. I have cable box out with hdmi to the lcd and another audio cable (red/white) from the cable box to the Onkyo since I can use hdmi directly to the Onkyo. Then I have component from LCD to Onkyo. -Confused-

Tigershark

12-14-06, 06:45 PM

Maybe it's the fault of mine as I don't know enough about the cabling. I have cable box out with hdmi to the lcd and another audio cable (red/white) from the cable box to the Onkyo since I can use hdmi directly to the Onkyo. Then I have component from LCD to Onkyo. -Confused-

Can your cable box output through a digital audio cable (coaxial or optical) to the receiver. That would lead to a much better sound that the red/white audio cables. Also, when you say you have component from LCD to Onkyo, are you referring to the TV audio out? Wouldn't this be doubling up when watching the cable box or are they to different input selections on the Onkyo?

Mike3001

12-14-06, 06:58 PM

Anybody know where to get this in Canada?

G-star

12-14-06, 08:30 PM

Was (am) close to pulling trigger on HT790. Being tempted to spend closer to 600-700 on some better Internet Direct speakers, separate sub, etc.

the choice is ultimately yours, but here's alternatives in your price range that will outperform any <$1K HTIB:

onkyo TX-SR 504, $179:
http://www.shoponkyo.com/detail.cfm?productid=TX-SR504&modelid=59&group_id=1&detail=1&ext_war=1

main L&R speakers + 1 pair of surrounds, 2 x $120 = $240
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ATASB1%2E2

center channel, $150
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ATHASC1%2E2

sub, $225 (make an offer)
http://cgi.*********/BIC-Acoustech-H-100-12-500-Watt-Powered-Subwoofer-NEW_W0QQitemZ140064621005QQihZ004QQcategoryZ3275QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

TOTAL = $795

or, here's a satellite system with a better sub (same receiver):

5.0 satellite system, $199:
http://www.velodyne.com/velodyne/products/ob_product_detail.aspx?ID=CHTFRSGV&sid=775i826b

killer sub at a great price, $399
http://www.hsustore.com/stf2.html

TOTAL = $780

akavlie

12-14-06, 08:40 PM

The two examples I gave are just that, examples. The key is to look around at what's available in your area, budget, and decorating tastes see if there is a better option than trying to fabricate something with your existing TV stand and a coffee table. Take your time looking for the right furniture - it makes a big difference. Don't forget appearance and color - they are just as important as dimensions. And don't skimp on max load rating and the # of components it can hold - you might just "upgrade" your Home Theater setup one of these days.

As for the IKEA stand, it is 23 5/8" deep. That should be deep enough to put the center speaker in front of the TV on the top of the stand (like my set-up). Stands that actually have enough room to fit a center speaker in the stand (rather than on top of them) are hard to find and expensive. How wide is your existing TV stand? Since your front speakers can fit on them now, find a replacement stand should be at least that wide.

Tigershark,

Understood. I keep looking at these alternatives at Ikea that would lift the display higher, but the significant other doesn't like any of them. She prefers what we have now. If we do anything to increase the height, it would probably be putting those Capita legs at the bottom of the stand, as suggested by an Ikea employee when we were looking at the TV stand. They should be able to go in as replacements for the legs it comes with actually... don't know how that would look though. It would maybe give us 5" more with the 8" legs.

On the center channel placement, I'm coming to realize that mimicking your solution is probably best after all. You're right, not too many TV stands make accommodations for a center channel. It'll block the IR receiver, but most of the remote fiddling is aimed at the separate TV tuner anyway.

The existing stand is quite wide at 58", a lot of the other stands are too narrow to accommodate the speakers.

Tigershark

12-14-06, 09:00 PM

the choice is ultimately yours, but here's alternatives in your price range that will outperform any <$1K HTIB:

onkyo TX-SR 504, $179:
http://www.shoponkyo.com/detail.cfm?productid=TX-SR504&modelid=59&group_id=1&detail=1&ext_war=1

main L&R speakers + 1 pair of surrounds, 2 x $120 = $240
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ATASB1%2E2

center channel, $150
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ATHASC1%2E2

sub, $225 (make an offer)
http://cgi.*********/BIC-Acoustech-H-100-12-500-Watt-Powered-Subwoofer-NEW_W0QQitemZ140064621005QQihZ004QQcategoryZ3275QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

TOTAL = $795

or, here's a satellite system with a better sub (same receiver):

5.0 satellite system, $199:
http://www.velodyne.com/velodyne/products/ob_product_detail.aspx?ID=CHTFRSGV&sid=775i826b

killer sub at a great price, $399
http://www.hsustore.com/stf2.html

TOTAL = $780

Great suggestions. Just note that the Onkyo receiver linked above is a refurbished unit. Most AVS members have had great experiences with ShopOnkyo refurbs, but some others haven't. Another thing to consider is shipping. For some people (like me), it is a deal killer for ordering big heavy audio equipment when you can pick it up for free at a traditional Brick & Mortar store like Circuit City.

Hogan

12-15-06, 12:34 AM

for the suggestions. Those Athenas were one on my list to check out. Also the Velodynes! Is it fair to say the Athena set will sound somewhat better than the Velodynes?

Any thoughts on Athenas vs the Onix L-x at **********, or the Level 2s at HomeTheaterDirect?

boben

12-15-06, 01:56 AM

I just purchased this HTIB and love it except for the tv audio. I purchased an optical cable to run from my digital out (TV) to digital in (onkyo) yet I produce no sound? I've read through the manual and see it suggest using optical 2 for tv audio. I have since run the optical out to the optical 2 input and adjusted the settings for optical and still no sound? Am I missing something here? I can get sound from tv using rca audio cables but the sound is much less than the digital will be. Another thing I've noticed with the RCA hookup is I can't hear sound unless my tv sound is at a level loud enough to hear then I can turn the receiver to about 60 and comfortably hear it. I'm sure it's a setup issue as I'm a noob. Took me a few minutes to figure out the PCM "issue" and then realized that setting was on my dvd player, not the receiver.

What I'm asking is how can I get digital audio to my receiver straight from my TV? I have regular cable, not digital, so there is no cable receiver... could this be part of the issue?

I have this TV: www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Hitachi-51-CRT-Projection-HDTV-51F59/sem/rpsm/oid/148043/catOid/-12870/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

Tigershark

12-15-06, 03:12 AM

steen995

12-15-06, 06:31 PM

I was looking at the picture that Tigershark has of his setup at the beginning of this thread. We currently have our center and two front channels above the TV (which is already quite high) on a shelf we just built. I was wondering if the sound would be okay if we left the center channel up top and put the two side channels down below like Tigershark's setup. We still need to find proper homes for our speakers. Whenever we listen to a movie we spread the speakers around the room. Seems to wrong..... lol

Basically, do the front speakers need to be near the same hearing "level" as the center channel? Eventually do the other speakers need to be on the same wall level as their counterpart?

mach250

12-16-06, 02:40 AM

Tigershark

12-16-06, 03:51 AM

Dont have the same luck as people in this thread on finding a deal but I ordered it from crutchfield for $399 with free shipping. I'm living in okinawa japan so I had it shipped to some friends who will in turn ship it to me. Dreading the price for shipping...how much does the whole box wheigh? I was guessing around 80 pounds at least, whats the measurements on the box too if possible? want to get an idea now so I can handle the jab when it comes.

That is a lot of shipping. The box measures 30"L x 22"D x 30.5" H and weighs 101.2 lbs. You may want to re-think this, unless you get some super deal on shipping otherwise it will cost a fortune.

lrodptl

12-16-06, 04:54 AM

Any idea why the back speaker sound would be very low at times while watching sports?

Aleman

12-16-06, 01:55 PM

Anyone know how the sound quality of the S790 compares to the Logitech Z-5500? I just sold my Z-5500 system because I need more inputs.

afrogt

12-16-06, 02:03 PM

It sounds better!

mach250

12-16-06, 08:26 PM

Quick quotes on Fedex show ~$400 ...sheesh. Well thats gonna take a bite out of my account.

Tigershark

12-17-06, 04:13 AM

Quick quotes on Fedex show ~$400 ...sheesh. Well thats gonna take a bite out of my account.

Any other options?

Tigershark

12-17-06, 04:15 AM

Any idea why the back speaker sound would be very low at times while watching sports?

Probably because the broadcast is not in Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS, therefore, the receiver is not really sending any signals back there. There is an option on the receiver to play the same signal through all 7 speakers, but you lose any L/R differentiation. But it is great for mono (such as very old movies) sources.

ndnbolla

12-17-06, 04:14 PM

Circuit City has this for $360 after rebates this week. Free shipping also. I don't think we'll see a better deal than this for the rest of the year.

I am going to pick mine up on Thursday.

Since it is mainly for my parents, and the plasma upstairs, I will be using doing 5.1 in the living room and then will make use of it's A/B feature and use the other 2 surrounds for the kitchen.

Then I am going to pick up the Onkyo Cassette deck from crutchfield so my mom can still listen to here tapes while cooking.

Does this sound good? Any suggestions for a better valued casette deck?

Also, one other question about the A/B settings, does the subwoofer work with both. If it does thats great, but sometime my mother isn't always too fond of the lows. Is their an option to keep the sub off during B setup?

wooz

12-17-06, 07:54 PM

I've had this for about a week and love it.

Question -

What surround modes do you guys use/suggest for different situations... such as - hd movies via cable box (component video + digital audio), dvds (digital audio as well), etc?

Padge

12-17-06, 07:57 PM

Leftey

12-17-06, 08:37 PM

with this set not having an HDMI input/output on the receiver, and tv's not reading 1080p off component cables (due to industry restrictions)... how can you get the 1080p picture on the tv from a PS3/HD DVD/BluRay player and use the onkyo s790 system?
You run the hdmi straight to the tv and run digital audio (optical or/and digital coax) to the recvr from those sources.

Tigershark

12-17-06, 08:42 PM

Also, one other question about the A/B settings, does the subwoofer work with both. If it does thats great, but sometime my mother isn't always too fond of the lows. Is their an option to keep the sub off during B setup?

It's my understanding that if you split the speakers, then A is 5.1 (with subwoofer) and B is 2.0 (no subwoofer). For decent sound, you may want to pick up some cheap bookshelf speakers for the second room instead of using the rear surround speakers. You can pick up a pair from Best Buy or Circuit City for $40/pair or less (I got some nice ones for just $20/pair). Of course, if you are just using cassette tapes, maybe it won't matter.

Padge

12-17-06, 08:59 PM

You run the hdmi straight to the tv and run digital audio (optical or/and digital coax) to the recvr from those sources.

is there any reported lag between the video and audio doing this?

also, if, for instance, video 8 is an HDMI output on the tv, would there also be digital audio out jacks because I never noticed that.

Leftey

12-17-06, 09:05 PM

is there any reported lag between the video and audio doing this? thanks
It's possible. I'm not sure if the 790's recvr has a/v syncing but on my 990 it does so you just have to make the adjustments. Plus the video sources may have a/v syncing capabilities to further the adjustment.

Fragster

12-17-06, 10:14 PM

So is the Crutchfield/Vann's ($399) pretty much the cheapest for this unit right now? CC has MIR plus taxes so still comes out to the same price (AFTER MIR) so I guess CF appears to be the best deal since its $399 out the door shipped.

Any other cheaper options (store-wise)?

F

Majestic12

12-17-06, 10:56 PM

I currently have the Onkyo HT780 in my family room and am looking for a second unit for my parents. It has been satisfactory performance wise.

Is this set just as good as that one?

G-star, I have a question about your reviews:

The speakers need to be relatively small for me, so I looked at your satellite set. It only comes with 5 speakers, not 7.

Now my parents plan to keep these out of sight by embedding them in a wall....would it be better to get 7 speakers now?

blitzed310

12-18-06, 02:01 AM

After reading this thread I do believe the HT-S790 is the system for me. I purchased the 42" Panasonic from BB on BF, and I think that this is just what I need. This is all in my room in my apartment, so for now this will due. Later, once I have my home I will piece together a more suitable HT system, but as far as HTIB goes, I feel that this can’t really be beat for my $500 price range. I am going to order the silver unit from Crutchfield as I have a $25 off coupon which brings the price to $374 shipped.

I have already ordered my speaker wire and cables from monoprice and will be installing this as soon as I get the unit.

Thanks for all your support as I have been a lurker here for the last couple of months, and thanks to the guy who made the break in DVD for my plasma :)

blitzed310

12-18-06, 02:13 AM

CC also has the 790 for for about $390 after tax and with the $40 rebate. Is there anywhere else that might have this for a cheaper price?

Tigershark

12-18-06, 03:08 AM

I currently have the Onkyo HT780 in my family room and am looking for a second unit for my parents. It has been satisfactory performance wise.

Is this set just as good as that one?

As far as I know, the major difference between the older HT-S780 and the 790 is the addition of optional XM Radio capability. Otherwise, they should function the same.

flecked

12-18-06, 05:49 AM

I wasn't sure where to post this, so i guess I'll post it here. :)

I use a 7.1 setup with my s790. When 5.1 DD is used for sound in movies, it automatically outputs DD EX so the back surrounds get used. But when i use regular DTS, I can't seem to change it to DTS ES. How do i get my back surrounds going when using DTS?

G-star

12-18-06, 07:58 AM

G-star, I have a question about your reviews:

The speakers need to be relatively small for me, so I looked at your satellite set. It only comes with 5 speakers, not 7.

those component system reccomendations were all for 5.1 systems. i'm not a big believer in 7.1 yet, as there is little if any material encoded in 7.1 at this point. many times, the 6.1/7.1 surround modes simply re-route the surround channel info to the back surrounds providing a matrix surround effect.

if you really want 7.1, you might be able to pick up another pair from velodyne or ebay, i'm not really sure. IMO though, you're better off buying a better sub and 5 speakers than an OK sub and 7 speakers. YMMV.

cnvrtble98

12-18-06, 12:55 PM

Damn...I ordered the HT-s790 last week from Amazon...it arrived today and the front of the box was smashed in and upon inspection found that at least one of the front speakers were broken (that was enough for me to see to box it back up).
After dealing with the shipping guy to document the damage I called Amazon and find that they have no more in stock. :mad:
The CSR told me that if I found something in a similar price range they would get it right out to me but otherwise I'd have to wait til after the holidays.
Since I used an Amazon WC to get it for under $325 shipped I am kinda stuck waiting unless anyone has any ideas on a similar system or maybe just a speaker package that would go well with that receiver.

Cruisinfanatic

12-18-06, 12:58 PM

anyone ever use plain old electric cord wire instead of speaker wire. It's a lot heavier than what came with the unit and is a lot cheaper. Downsides?

stone541

12-18-06, 01:25 PM

CC also has the 790 for for about $390 after tax and with the $40 rebate. Is there anywhere else that might have this for a cheaper price?

I ordered HT-S790 refurbished for $295.10 shipped from shoponkyo.comm on 12/15/06 after 10% savings thru 12/27/06

Bumsi

12-18-06, 01:33 PM

Quick quotes on Fedex show ~$400 ...sheesh. Well thats gonna take a bite out of my account.

surely living in Okinawa japan you have access to some great sound systems.

Are you or do you know anyone in the military service on Okinawa? They may be able to get it drop shipped for you to APO/FPO for cheap.

Bumsi

12-18-06, 01:43 PM

I ordered HT-S790 refurbished for $295.10 shipped from shoponkyo.comm on 12/15/06 after 10% savings thru 12/27/06

Yup, yup,yup! Still there at $349.00 refurbished minus 10%, minus $10 or new members = $304.10 in my calc.

stone541

12-18-06, 01:46 PM

Yup, yup,yup! Still there at $349.00 refurbished minus 10%, minus $10 or new members = $304.10 in my calc.

Price drops from $349 to $339 for members after you log in. 339 minus 10%, minus $10 for new members = $295.10

mrmiller1972

12-18-06, 03:52 PM

It's possible. I'm not sure if the 790's recvr has a/v syncing but on my 990 it does so you just have to make the adjustments. Plus the video sources may have a/v syncing capabilities to further the adjustment.

Yes, the 790 has the same options.

I wasn't sure where to post this, so i guess I'll post it here. :)

I use a 7.1 setup with my s790. When 5.1 DD is used for sound in movies, it automatically outputs DD EX so the back surrounds get used. But when i use regular DTS, I can't seem to change it to DTS ES. How do i get my back surrounds going when using DTS?

I was wondering the same thing. I ended up selecting the DPLIIx option and it worked. Seemed odd when it was DTS. Anyone else have any ideas?

Also, how do you get the levles for the different speakers to "save" when going to stnadby. My rear speakers are way back- about 15 foot, and I must increase them about 10db. That works fine, but after I go to standby it resets back to zero. Funny thing is I increased the sub +5db and it hold after switching to standby.

Any ideas?

=MATT=

Fragster

12-18-06, 05:29 PM

stone541

12-18-06, 05:45 PM

$313 shipped for the refurb unit........one hell of a deal but does anybody know if the unit will come with the remote,speaker wires, etc? Also it has 1 yr warranty where as brand-new would have 2 years so should I be worried on the refurb?

Thx
F
Some info on Onkyo refurbs **************m/t/18/660062 it won't let me post a direct link.. copy & paste delete the extra m in .comm should work fine.

wxkid23

12-18-06, 05:49 PM

Thinking of having my parents buy this for me for Christmas for my living room with my 60" SXRD XBR2.

How difficult is this system to set up? This is coming from someone with very little skill with setting up electronics. I will be hooking up my Xbox 360, PS3 (Soon), Wii (Soon), Cable box.

mach250

12-19-06, 12:58 AM

akavlie

12-19-06, 02:49 AM

Just got some Atlanta speaker stands at Wal-Mart (see here (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5019646)), they say max 2 pounds and the Onkyo surrounds are 3.1 pounds. Wonder if I should still give them a try...

Tigershark

12-19-06, 03:52 AM

Take the 7 speakers and put them where you want them.

Run Speaker Cable

Plug reciever into wall outlet

Hook up electronics (dvd, game)

Turn on and change settings to your liking

really not hard at all...the hardest part is making the wires neat.

Pretty much sums it up. If you can hook up your electronics to the TV, you can set up this system. You may want to pick up any upgraded cable (thicker speaker wire, digital audio cable (coaxial or optical) BEFORE you begin the setup so you only have to set it up once. Plan ahead and it will be a breeze.

Fragster

12-19-06, 04:06 PM

Do u guys think the S790 will drop in price by next mid next year?

My new house built has been extended to May 2007 and I was going to buy this system for it.

F

PS:: Very tempted to pick up the refurb unit from Onkyo for $315 shipped.

afrogt

12-19-06, 04:18 PM

That about as cheap as it gets. Did you factor in the $10 savings for signing up for Club Onkyo? I think some people were bragging about getting it for $295.

Look at message #194

mach250

12-19-06, 06:06 PM

Leftey

12-19-06, 06:25 PM

Got the box in the mail, pretty beat up. Should I open or return?

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v405/mach250/Theater/

I remember reading that theres a lot of styrofoam and it should be ok but what do you guys think?
Looks ok to me. You should have seen my 990 thx system when it showed up. I was for sure something was going to be damaged but onkyo really does a good job of packaging there products. There was lots of styrofoam around the speakers and what not and the big puncture holes that I had didn't go all the way through the styrofoam. As far as I can tell you should be in good shape.

young24601

12-19-06, 10:01 PM

hey i was wondering, can someone recommend a good remote that can control this, my dvd player, my cable box and my TV?

i was trying to use my comcast cable remote, but it seems to want to control both volume/channel with either the onkyo or the cable box (I want volume -> onkyo and channel -> cable box). I followed the instructions, and it seems to work but as soon as they power off, it stops working (back to the vol/chan controlled by one source)

akavlie

12-19-06, 10:04 PM

Anyone using some decent stands for the surround speakers on this system?
I have looked at the links earlier in the thread, gone shopping at Fry's Electronics and elsewhere, got some Atlantic stands at Wal-Mart that won't work out... still don't know what to get for them.

Parts Express seems to have a decent selection, but I am wary to order online as returning would be a hassle.

steen995

12-19-06, 10:30 PM

CC also has the 790 for for about $390 after tax and with the $40 rebate. Is there anywhere else that might have this for a cheaper price?

How do you get the rebate? Is it still on line? Circuit City was supposed to price match and send me $80 for a purchase the day after Thanksgiving. I would love to re-order it but can't find the rebate. Ugh!! I am so ticked off at Circuit City right now.

wxkid23

12-19-06, 11:14 PM

Pretty much sums it up. If you can hook up your electronics to the TV, you can set up this system. You may want to pick up any upgraded cable (thicker speaker wire, digital audio cable (coaxial or optical) BEFORE you begin the setup so you only have to set it up once. Plan ahead and it will be a breeze.

I shoulden't have a problem hooking up the system itself but im worried about how to set up the speakers. I want to set up the speakers in the corners of the living room.. not sure with a 7.1 system where to put them in a four corner room... and also what materials I will need to mount them in the corner on the wall.

Olecranon

12-19-06, 11:28 PM

Has anyone had any luck with wall mounting the front surround speakers? The wood looks a bit thin to attempt screwing anything into them.

hpman247

12-19-06, 11:42 PM

Those Atlantic Speaker Stands from Wal-Mart work very well for the rear surrounds. Here are a few pics of how i used mine. I did not screw them in, i sinply used 3m adhesive in square strips. It works perfectly,

http://www.hdkb.net/o1.JPG
http://www.hdkb.net/o2.JPG
http://www.hdkb.net/o3.jpg

Fragster

12-19-06, 11:54 PM

Finally broke down and orderd the refurb S790 (will match my black 57" Hitachi RPHDTV) for $313 shipped (CA has tax :-() . Very happy with the price as long as the unit doesn't crap out on me! My friend bought his unit a while back and paid over $500 (with taxes) so Im all grins for this price.

This set was supposed to be for my new house (prewired for 5.1) but I may just as well crack the box open for 'testing' purposes.

F

akavlie

12-20-06, 01:31 AM

Those Atlantic Speaker Stands from Wal-Mart work very well for the rear surrounds. Here are a few pics of how i used mine. I did not screw them in, i sinply used 3m adhesive in square strips. It works perfectly,

hpman,

I think I'll have to give your solution a try. Mine have different bases for some reason (they're square), but they otherwise look the same as yours.

akavlie

12-20-06, 01:59 AM

Just got some speaker cable, and I'm a n00b at this. Based on hpman's picture, it would appear that the copper side should go to -, and the silver side to +. Is that true, or does it not matter?

Tigershark

12-20-06, 04:00 AM

mach250

12-20-06, 06:28 AM

anything colored goes positive and anything grey goes negative...always

mrmiller1972

12-20-06, 08:59 AM

I shoulden't have a problem hooking up the system itself but im worried about how to set up the speakers. I want to set up the speakers in the corners of the living room.. not sure with a 7.1 system where to put them in a four corner room... and also what materials I will need to mount them in the corner on the wall.

Like someone else stated- I wouldn't hang them in the corners (Unless you TV is in a corner as well). Target has some cheap (yet decent) speaker mounts for hanging the surrounds. There is no need to drill into the speaker box, as the mounts come with some adapter pices (OK, it's just a screw, a nut, and fancy plastic washer) that allow it to be mounted on the hanging bracket that is already attached to the satellites. The nice thing is these mounts come with a 3 inch extension piece, that is useful when mounting the somewhat large surround satellites at an angle or from the ceiling. I' Used them to mount mine high on a wall, pointed down to where my listening area is. Works great.

http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=1-17/qid=1166622171/ref=sr_1_17/601-6327390-9268165?ie=UTF8&asin=B000BQRAP6

hey i was wondering, can someone recommend a good remote that can control this, my dvd player, my cable box and my TV?

i was trying to use my comcast cable remote, but it seems to want to control both volume/channel with either the onkyo or the cable box (I want volume -> onkyo and channel -> cable box). I followed the instructions, and it seems to work but as soon as they power off, it stops working (back to the vol/chan controlled by one source)

Try a learning remote. There is a Sony learning remote that should be good to operate all you HT stuff fairly cheap. I has 8 undefined buttons you can program for anything. Of course there are many other good learning remotes, but this one is not too expensive and should do the job quite nicely.

I know you can get this remote at Wal-Mart and Target, but here this is the only link I could find:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16880118001&ATT=80-118-001&CMP=KNC-overturesmx&ATT=product

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akavlie

12-20-06, 01:22 PM

anything colored goes positive and anything grey goes negative...always

OK, so the opposite of what I said?

Tigershark

12-20-06, 03:23 PM

OK, so the opposite of what I said?

There is some disagreement here. Most sources I have seen says it doesn't matter which color is positive or negative, as long as it is consistent between the speaker and the receiver. I would go with what mach250 says, if only because it is easy to remember, and most speakers use red for positive and black for negative. I have seen speaker wire that was red and black, copper and silver, and copper and copper with a thin line of white. Talk about difficult! At least the cheap cable the comes with the system is color coded to each speaker - now that is easy!

In short, keep it consistent. In your case, I would go with copper for positive and silver for negative. Just be consistent!

wxkid23

12-20-06, 09:51 PM

Tigershark

12-21-06, 04:19 AM

My TV is in the corner of a 4 corner room. It's in the back left corner actually. I'll somehow figure out how im going to place them. Is there a real reason why not to put them in the upper corners?

Another question... im going to be hooking up more than 2 digital inputs-

360-
PS3-
cable box-

I notice the HTIB only has 2 digital inputs... what is the difference between using the component for say the 360 and using the digital (optical cable) and if there is a difference is there anything I can buy to allow more than 2 inputs?

Appreciate the help guys

I assume you mean 2 digital VIDEO inputs (as the receiver has 4 digital AUDIO inputs). In that case, why even run the video to the receiver? I run my HDMI and component video and red/white audio directly to the display - only the digital audio is run to the receiver. There really is no need to connect the video to the receiver - it just adds an extra switching point which can't help the quality of the signal. If you must run multiple component video into the receiver, you can get a switch box at most electronics stores or online (Monoprice.com has them). Once again, I wouldn't necessarily go this route.

solafide55

12-21-06, 09:59 AM

I've got $400 to spend on a system. Is this Onkyo the best for that kind of money or should I go with something else? I'm setting up in a small living room, with a samsung 50" plasma. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

mrmiller1972

12-21-06, 10:05 AM

My TV is in the corner of a 4 corner room. It's in the back left corner actually. I'll somehow figure out how im going to place them. Is there a real reason why not to put them in the upper corners?

Another question... im going to be hooking up more than 2 digital inputs-

360-
PS3-
cable box-

I notice the HTIB only has 2 digital inputs... what is the difference between using the component for say the 360 and using the digital (optical cable) and if there is a difference is there anything I can buy to allow more than 2 inputs?

Appreciate the help guys

If your TV is in the corner, and your seating area is far enough back, putting your surrounds in the corner is fine (see this diagram: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=70737 ) Many people are facing forward in a retangular room, and want to put the surrounds in the back corners to "hide" them, but that doesn't provide the best sound- you want them to the left and right of you. You'll still need your rear surrounds behind your seating area, but they should mirror the positions of your front speakers.

The 790 has 4 digital inputs for audio- 3 optical and 1 D-coax. You want to use the digital to get the DTS and Dolby Digital sounds. If you need more inputs, monoprice has a 3 way optical switch you could try.

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seth.trimble

12-21-06, 11:13 AM

I just bought this system and am pretty pumped about it. I have a question though.

Anyone know if these will work to mount the speakers to the wall:

http://cgiDOTebayDOTcom/New-5-Pack-Black-Wall-Ceiling-Speaker-Mounts-Brackets_W0QQitemZ290064182224QQihZ019QQcategoryZ61336QQrdZ1 QQcmdZViewItem

Replace the "DOT" with a single .

Seems like a good deal if they'll work.

Thanks in advance.

-Seth

wxkid23

12-21-06, 12:59 PM

If your TV is in the corner, and your seating area is far enough back, putting your surrounds in the corner is fine (see this diagram: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=70737 ) Many people are facing forward in a retangular room, and want to put the surrounds in the back corners to "hide" them, but that doesn't provide the best sound- you want them to the left and right of you. You'll still need your rear surrounds behind your seating area, but they should mirror the positions of your front speakers.

The 790 has 4 digital inputs for audio- 3 optical and 1 D-coax. You want to use the digital to get the DTS and Dolby Digital sounds. If you need more inputs, monoprice has a 3 way optical switch you could try.

=MATT=

I appreciate the input. I was getting the 2 inputs from CC website.. I thought it showed 2 digital audio inputs... must have been video. Regardless... 4 is more than enough as the Wii doesn't even offer digital sound I don't think?

I don't know if I will wall mount of not.. may just buy a couple more speaker stands to put in the back. That diagram illustrates my setup perfectly though.

akavlie

12-21-06, 02:16 PM

I don't know if I will wall mount of not.. may just buy a couple more speaker stands to put in the back. That diagram illustrates my setup perfectly though.

What sort of speaker stands are you using for the surround speakers?

Tigershark

12-21-06, 03:16 PM

Tigershark

12-21-06, 03:19 PM

I appreciate the input. I was getting the 2 inputs from CC website.. I thought it showed 2 digital audio inputs... must have been video. Regardless... 4 is more than enough as the Wii doesn't even offer digital sound I don't think?

The CC website is incorrect. The receiver has 4 digital audio inputs (1 coaxial, 3 optical). More than enough. Unfortunately, the Wii doesn't offer digital sound (just analog red/white). You can plug the Wii into one of the analog inputs on the receiver (like "CD") so you don't use up one of the digital inputs (reserved for "DVD", "Video 1", "Video 2," and "Video 3"

akavlie

12-23-06, 12:19 AM

Finally got the surround speakers set up, on the Atlantic stands just as hpman did, and got everything wired with the 16-gauge stuff I got. Seems to work pretty well.

I think it would really help to get the front speakers lifted up 12 inches or so; I can hear a good deal more treble by sitting on the floor in front of the couch. Any ideas there?

liner

12-23-06, 10:08 AM

akavlie

12-23-06, 01:10 PM

I am finally getting ready to hook up my HT-S90 this weekend. Based on what I have been hearing, I am considering using a pair of my bose or boston acoustics speakers, for my surround speakers, instead of the onkyo pair. Would this be much of an upgrade?

I won't be able to offer much input here, but I think you'll have to specify the model to get any real feedback on this.

liner

12-23-06, 01:45 PM

The Boston Acoustic speakers are bookshelf type speakers 8 ohms, model HD5.
I was using them in the basement as my front speakers.

akavlie

12-23-06, 03:22 PM

The Boston Acoustic speakers are bookshelf type speakers 8 ohms, model HD5.
I was using them in the basement as my front speakers.

I would guess those Boston Acoustic speakers are a sizable upgrade from the surrounds, but you might want to wait for another opinion.

seth.trimble

12-23-06, 06:36 PM

A little Help?
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I just bought this system and am pretty pumped about it. I have a question though.

Anyone know if these will work to mount the speakers to the wall:

http://cgidotebaydotcom/New-5-Pack-Black-Wall-Ceiling-Speaker-Mounts-Brackets_W0QQitemZ290064182224QQihZ019QQcategoryZ61336QQrdZ1 QQcmdZViewItem

Replace the "DOT" with a single .

Seems like a good deal if they'll work.

Thanks in advance.
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jman02

12-23-06, 11:05 PM

There is a lot of mention in this thread about how so many of you bought the 790 for less than 400.00 US. Well let me tell ya that here in Nova Scotia, I paid 899.00 for the 790 plus tax, and I drove 1.5 hours to pick it up. that price seemed to be the norm up here so I doubt I would have found it any cheaper anywhere else in Canada. So I guess this system is going to be with me for a while and not a year or two until something better comes along. :(

I do envy you yanks being able to buy things more cheaply. I thought about ordering from the US, but I would have been nailed at the border with brokerage fees, duty, taxes and god knows what else. it was not worth it.

Anyways, I do love this system and it works great with my 42" Panny. I never owned a decent speaker system/receiver before so this is definitely a step up for me. I just wish I could have got it for $400 like a lot of you. :(

Cheers,

Jamie

Tigershark

12-24-06, 04:11 AM

I would guess those Boston Acoustic speakers are a sizable upgrade from the surrounds, but you might want to wait for another opinion.

Pretty much any dedicated bookshelf speaker is an upgrade to the stock surround speakers (I know my Pioneer bookshelf speakers ($10/each) are better).

Of course, you could just hook them up and see for yourself.

chaosboi916

12-24-06, 06:00 PM

i was thinking of buying the speaker mounts from monoprice rated @ a max of ten pounds. Would they be adequate? Or should i invest in the speaker brackets rated at 33 pounds?

Wormsbaby

12-24-06, 07:00 PM

Tigershark

12-24-06, 07:30 PM

I've decided to go with this system instead of the the 590. I have no place to put the extra 2 speakers in my dinky little apt living room. I also don't want to get into the issue of speaker mounts or buying speaker stands because I will be moving in the middle of next summer.

Any idea on how I should set this up?

The best I can think of is the center speaker above my tv, the left/right speakers about a foot on each side of my tv, and the two rear speakrs much wider out. Will this sound good?

I heave heard the left/right speakers should be raised, but I don't see how that's possible in my case without stands.

any ideas? thanks

also would you all go for the refurbished one on shoponyko for 330 or a new one at circuit city for 387?

Just a few thoughts:

1. Your speaker set-up should be fine. In general, the surrounds are to the left and right of the listening area. Those are more important than the rear surrounds which are directly behind you.

2. If you can't raise the front speakers for now - don't worry about it. You can do it after you move.

3. I have heard both good and bad about refurbished units from Shoponkyo. For just $67 more, I would go with a new one from CC which I could easily return if there was a problem with it.

afrogt

12-24-06, 07:33 PM

You get a extra year warranty with the new one from CC. Refurbs come with 1 year warranty only.

Then again, you can get the 790 from shoponkyo.com for about $295. They have 10% off until 12/27 and you get another $10 off for signing up for Club Onkyo.

The only bad part is you have to wait for it to ship. Can't take it home tonight.

Cruisinfanatic

12-25-06, 07:24 AM

anyone able to find the code so that their Time Warner remote will work with this Onkyo S790S

Fragster

12-25-06, 07:43 PM

also would you all go for the refurbished one on shoponyko for 330 or a new one at circuit city for 387?

CC appears to have increased the price back to $409 without taxes :confused:

R

hackerandhiker

12-26-06, 08:44 PM

I am just about to ready to pull the trigger on this one. But before I do that I need your help on one question: currently I only have a tv set, directly connected to the comcast cable outlet via the antenna port. I don't have a cable box or anything. And my TV only have one audio output, R/L RCA audio.

Now if I got this HBIT, will I miss the surround sound when there are HD programs or DVD on TV broadcasting?

Thanks for any input.

BSCPLAYA

12-26-06, 08:56 PM

CC appears to have increased the price back to $409 without taxes :confused:

R

Yes, i don't know where to put the coupon code (YEA2M45AGJ)...can't find a rebate thing either...HELP!

EocThermos

12-27-06, 12:27 AM

hackerandhiker

12-27-06, 01:31 AM

Hackerandhiker- I'm not too certain on this, perhaps someone else can give more insight. I didn't even think that the old antenna cable can even carry HD signals. My best guess is that yes, you will miss the surround sound on TV broadcasts. Do you even subscribe to HDTV- with that kind of connection and no cable box, I don't think you even get the picture part.

R/L RCA audio cannot carry surround sound. If you do get HDTV, I would contact Comcast about possibly getting a set top box (they may even need to do some wiring in your house, I don't know) to allow you to take full advantage of the HDTV.

If you ever watch DVDs from disc, that is when you would really notice and take advantage of the surround sound.

Thank you EocThermos for answering my question. I currently subscribe to comcast's basic cable service which has about 80 chanels. Those are all the chanels my old tv set can pick up. But after I got my new TV and ran the auto scan, it picked up all these 80 chanels, plus about 20 digital chanels. Since I can get all those 20 digital chanels off the air with an indoor antenna, so I think comcast just offers them to any subscriber for free. Out of the 20, 4 or 5 are HD.

Tigershark

12-27-06, 03:59 AM

Thank you EocThermos for answering my question. I currently subscribe to comcast's basic cable service which has about 80 chanels. Those are all the chanels my old tv set can pick up. But after I got my new TV and ran the auto scan, it picked up all these 80 chanels, plus about 20 digital chanels. Since I can get all those 20 digital chanels off the air with an indoor antenna, so I think comcast just offers them to any subscriber for free. Out of the 20, 4 or 5 are HD.

It is possible to catch HD channels through the regular cable - if your TV has a built in ATSC tuner. Those channels may even have 5.1 sound. But I doubt that the TV can output anything better than 2.0 through the L/R RCA jacks. You would need a digital audio (coaxial or optical) to output 5.1 to the receiver. Even those TVs with a digital audio out don't always output 5.1 - you would have to check your display.

dadon9x

12-27-06, 07:19 AM

Here's a review of the speakers. Also, hackerandhiker, I responded as best I could your Q at the end.

I just hooked up my HT-S790S (second S means silver) with the included dental floss. Setup was painless- I spent a fair amount of time positioning my speakers, measuring angles and all, which I would recommend to anyone looking at surround sound. I set all the speaker distances, the relative volume of speakers, etc., all of which was fairly easy. If you do not have easy access to the back of the receiver, installing the speaker wire would be quite difficult, especially if you upgrade beyond the dental floss. If your cabinet has a fairly closed back, then just hook up the wire to the receiver before running it out the back of your cabinet.

I connected my sony DVD player, stuck in a CD- the soundtrack from Bah Humduck!, and listened to the track O Tannenbaum- it is a big band arrangement of the song, featuring slow, melodic, softer parts, and fast, loud (relatively...), with lots of trumpets.

I turned the volume to 50- I believe it goes to 100, but 50 was plenty loud for me. The highs did seem slightly weak compared to what I'm accustomed to- integra 6.something and Paradigm Studio 20's (which cost $600 and $800 respectively...), but it wasn't that bad- it also may have been that particular song, as I didn't listen to many. Also, it was very slight- if I didn't have a reference or been listening for something like that I wouldn't have heard anything. By the end of the song, I was absolutely BLOWN AWAY. These speakers sounded AMAZING! Even though I'm used to listening to a nicer stereo only, at a price of about $1000 (for speakers + a straight amp comprable to what I'm using, no bells and whistles), these speakers still just shocked me with the quality. I definitely still prefer my paradigm's- but my goodness, for under half the price, getting a 7.1 system with amp instead of a 2.0 system with amp, these do sound amazing.

I then put in a movie, and was also very impressed by the surround sound. The one thing I felt was the weak point of this system was the sub. I need to listen a fair amount more, because the movie may not have used the sub much, but I feel it will probably be the first component I upgrade. Also, the sub I originally heard the movie with cost $700 for the sub alone (Paradigm PW800 or 1000 i think). At twice the price of this complete system it should sound a lot better!

My comments about the treble and sub were being fairly picky for this system. I cannot stress enough how good this system sounds for the price. This is nearly the kind of performance I was hoping to get out of a $1000 components system when I decided to save the money. If you've got the money, I'm sure the components setup would give you better performance. However, if this system is the budget you are looking at, you should have *no reason* (as far as performance goes) not to buy it.

The other cons would be if there are any general issues- I've heard a couple of people complain about overheating, but I figure these issues aren't too common, and if they do happen, thats what the warranty is for. I've had it running now for an hour or reasonably softly, and the top of the unit is warm- perhaps slightly more than I would have expected, although I don't have much reference- but nothing that concerns me. Just put it in a well ventilated area and you should be fine- well ventilated as in leave the cabinet door open! It has 3 levels of brightness for the display on the front, so it won't distract from movies I imagine. I wouldn't put anything on top of it or run it when it is extremely hot in the house, but I'm not worried.

The other thing is the speaker size. If you are looking for small satellite speakers that no one will notice unless they are looking, then the fronts may be a bit large- but they certainly aren't so big as to stand out if you have a fairly big T.V.- and if you are getting a unit with this good of sound and this much power, you'll want a awfully big T.V.!

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Hackerandhiker- I'm not too certain on this, perhaps someone else can give more insight. I didn't even think that the old antenna cable can even carry HD signals. My best guess is that yes, you will miss the surround sound on TV broadcasts. Do you even subscribe to HDTV- with that kind of connection and no cable box, I don't think you even get the picture part.

R/L RCA audio cannot carry surround sound. If you do get HDTV, I would contact Comcast about possibly getting a set top box (they may even need to do some wiring in your house, I don't know) to allow you to take full advantage of the HDTV.

If you ever watch DVDs from disc, that is when you would really notice and take advantage of the surround sound.

Well written. I've been using my 790S for two weeks now and love it. I was also very surprised by the sound quality of this system. It was my original plan to get the setup and then start replacing speakers and then the receiver down the road. At this point though, I'm happy with what I have. As I am in an apartment, going too much bigger would be overkill anyway. Music especially sounds much better than expected. For CD playback I use my HTPC with Optical Out to pass 2 channel 96k audio to one of the optical INs on the 790. I run the receiver in Direct mode on top of this and am very impressed with the warmth this $250 (Price I paid from accessories4less) setup provides. I also agree that the receiver runs much warmer than I would have expected, but I have not yet run into any severe thermal issues even after 12+ hours of continuous play at volume level 55. This is with the receiver on the bottom shelf of the Sammys (56" HLS) matching stand. Barely fits depth wise with the speaker wires, as stated above, so forget about using bannana plugs on anything less than a 22" deep shelf.

One of the major selling points for me was that there are 3 Optical Inputs on the BACK of the receiver (As opposed to many which have 2 Rear + 1 Front.) I needed 3 and couldn’t find a receiver under $600 that had that amount. I also like the 'Direct' mode for audio playback as I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to my music :) Obviously the speaker array was what did it for me though. Most HTIBs don't have Triple drive front stage with dual driver surrounds. Normally you’re stuck with cheap plastic cabinets and dual small driver front stage and single driver surrounds. Also, many of the HITBs I came across did not have LFE out (Active sub) and instead utilized passive subs run off the amp. Not only does this make a subwoofer upgrade less than nominal, it's more heat in the receiver from pushing the extra channel.

Out of the box, I think I made the absolute best choice after 2 weeks of research and am not looking back. I paid $250 from accessories4less for a refurbished unit that I am still convinced is 100% brand new. My guess is that it was just a unit someone bought and returned without using, their loss. I would recommend it to anyone without hesitation. It's the perfect base for upgrading down the road as you can replace the speakers in stages and then finish off with a new receiver if desired. One thing I do wish it had is the auto distance / level feature some other receivers have. Not a big deal though, just took an extra 10 minutes measuring and I'll need to pick up a DB meter from Radio Shack. In addition, I'm not overly impressed by the systems imaging. I have the front left and right mounted vertically on 26" stands which puts the tweeter exactly at ear level when I'm seated. Still need to tweak front stage placement a bit but even still I'm not expecting much. Again though, for the pricepoint it still can't be beat.