Hi - I recently purchased the Sony KDL-40V2500 and don't know what to set my XBox 360 on to get the best gaming experience. When choosing between 720p or 1080i most threads advise tuning the XBox to whatever your TV's native resolution is. But the Sony KDL-40V2500 has a native resolution of 1080p. How should I hook up the 360 to get the best picture then? Thanks.

Your tv supports vga input, so i guess you need a VGA cable for the xbox 360.

The problem with 1080p might be that the signal will not be ok, because microsoft messed up their 1080p update. Until they can fix that you will be able to get 720p or 1080i for the HD-DVD , which just sucks when you think about your tv supporting 1080p and microsoft not being able to provide that to you since you have a SONY Tv set.

Call Microsoft xbox support and complain if that is the case for you, if you don't they will just ignore consumers. I call them every single day until they say they will fix this issue or they will not fix this issue, and i mean an official anouncment not some tech person saying they will fix it.

Thanks - so should I set the XBox to output at 720P or 1080i? And should I definitely use VGA over the component hookup?

For gaming 720p is good enough for HD-DVD movies 1080i is the best you will get , i just set the tv at the highest possible resolution that it works and that is all i do, it is the resolutoin just before 1080p.

Oh yeah, don't forget to get the update form microsoft so that you have the option for 1080p and the other resolutions all there, connect the xbox to your internet connection to get the update.

I have the 40V2500. Stick with the component cables as VGA on this tv does not go to 1080. The max VGA resolution of this TV is 1440x1050. I am outputting 1080i from the 360 over component cables and all the games I've played on it look and run great.

I hear that for some reason the new HD-DVD add-on WILL support 1080p over the VGA connection, so the 360 seems to be somehow bypassing the VGA resolution limitation.

Handiwipe - very interesting. Thanks! Have you calibrated your set? Now that I know to output at 1080i via component, are there brightness/contrast/color settings that you use that you have determined are the best?

Bump. Anyone else offer some words of wisdom?

1080p VGA _does_ work with the V2500 with the Fall update. All that's needed is the MS VGA cable. However, no one has yet confirmed that it still does with the 11-30 update. On the Euro avforums.com, a couple of W (their counterpart to our V2500) owners just posted that it does still work with the recent update... so it's probably okay. So, I think a V2500 / 360 owner should try this update and let us all know. ;)

Handiwipe - very interesting. Thanks! Have you calibrated your set? Now that I know to output at 1080i via component, are there brightness/contrast/color settings that you use that you have determined are the best?Try setting Brightness down to 28 to 32 and Picture up to 96 to 98 for both VGA and Component and for both DVD and HD-DVD addon. I'm not sure about Color Temp -- I keep switching between Neutral, Warm1 and 2. Adjust backlight as preferred.

I hear that for some reason the new HD-DVD add-on WILL support 1080p over the VGA connection, so the 360 seems to be somehow bypassing the VGA resolution limitation.That's the big question: how? It's even stranger if the 11-30 update that fixes vga for the lcd xbr2 also works w/ the v2500. There's an unsupported way to get 1080p on the v2500's... I hope someone who knows about this stuff and has the equipment tests the 360's vga signal.

I would also like a confirmed answer regarding 1080p support over vga for this tv. I am considering picking it up but only if I can get 1080p support for my xbox 360. Thanks

But the thing is, because it only accepts up to 1050 via VGA, and only accepts 1080i over component, won't the TV just be upconverting the signal either way anyway? It can only receive true 1080p input via the HDMI cable.
I'm nervous that because it only accepts up to 1050 via VGA that I'm going to get that awful half-inch black border all around the screen if I hook it up by VGA, which is going to drive me nuts.

Anyway, the TV should be coming in next week, and I already have the MS component cable, so I'll pick up an MS VGA cable and see if there's an appreciable difference in PQ.

In response to the above poster, how can I tell if the picture I'm getting by VGA is 1080p or not? I know for a fact that the VGA jack doesn't accept 1080p input - I just assumed it would get whatever signal came in, deinterlace it or do whatever it will do to it, and then upconvert it to 1080p when the time comes to render a picture. Is that wrong?

In the meantime, though, if anyone else has some thoughts, of course we'd love to hear them.

Well, with regards to how you can tell what type of picture you're getting, the V2500 will automatically display that info in the upper left hand part of the screen. Once you've got the Xbox running over VGA, hit the "display" button on the remote. That will bring up the input info as well as the display. If it's in 1080p, it will say that right below the input (I've got mine currently on Input 4), the name of the input (I named mine Xbox) and then the resolution.

Currently, I've been using the component and getting 1080i and GOW has never looked sweeter! I mean it! This game looks awesome on component @ 1080i. HD-DVD has looked beautiful on this as well. I may buy the VGA cables at BB after work today just to try it out and, if so, I'll post my results and snap some pics.

Irunnoft, you would be an all-time hero. I'm anxiously awaiting your results.

Irunnoft: "may buy the VGA cables after work...". May? I think you meant, yes I will, and I'll immediately report my results to this thread. ;)

I have the fall update and 1080p vga is working well, so don't want to do this latest update till I'm sure. But for anyone just getting the vga, they'll only get the latest update. So, you're observations would be very appreciated.

Batman: No, it really does 1920 x 1080 @ 60hz, at least with the fall update. That resolution isn't listed for the v2500's, but somehow it works.

rconn2: I've actually already downloaded the latest (11/30) update "by mistake." I just wasn't paying attention and the next thing I knew I had downloaded it. So there's no going back to Fall Update for me.

So yes, I would love to know if VGA works for me now. If so, rock and roll! Otherwise, component it is...

rconn2: I've actually already downloaded the latest (11/30) update "by mistake." I just wasn't paying attention and the next thing I knew I had downloaded it. So there's no going back to Fall Update for me.

So yes, I would love to know if VGA works for me now. If so, rock and roll! Otherwise, component it is...I unplugged my lan jack to be safe.

Okay, so are you going to buy the relatively inexpensive and easily obtainable vga cable now that the weekend is here and give it a try and let all of us eagerly anticipating your feedback know? ;)

There's nothing to it. You plug in the vga cable. Go to the 360's console system and select vga and 1920 x 1080 resolution. On the V2500, the screen should come right up, but will say "Unsupported" or somesuch in the lower right corner. Click any button on the remote and that goes away.

I think it'll probably work with the latest fix since it is for the very similar W series used in Europe. It works very well with the Fall update. And if the fix has improved it even more, then it'll be impressive -- esp. since v2500's aren't even supposed to be getting 1080p vga.

Well.. it works ... I have today my HD-DVD hooked up and the VGA cable, with the 11/30 update... and everything works just fine... I'm like a kid on christmas.. the pq is amazing in 1080p in my 40" v2500

here some pictures....

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b33/eortizr/102_2124.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b33/eortizr/102_2117.jpg

Solid. Do you have that half-inch black border because the TV thinks it only accepts 1050 over VGA? Or does the picture go all the way to the edges like true 1080?

Care to share with us your calibrations for such a great picture?

Do you prefer VGA over component for gaming now?

eortizr: I just did the update. And... wow!! I thought 1080p VGA looked very good before but now it's excellent! There's a significant difference in color saturation. I'm not even thinking of using component 1080i anymore. Before the VGA looked just a little drab... not bad and hard to say... but at times it seemed there was a lack of color. Colors pop now and pq appears more contrasty. Thanks for letting us know about the update. :)

We now have gorgeous 1080p VGA on the V2500 from the Xbox and Xbox HD-DVD. Any other V2500 and Xbox 360 owners out there... you have a green light.

Solid. Do you have that half-inch black border because the TV thinks it only accepts 1050 over VGA? Or does the picture go all the way to the edges like true 1080?

Care to share with us your calibrations for such a great picture?

Do you prefer VGA over component for gaming now?You're looking at the bezel on the sides, and the top and bottom are since the movie is 2.35:1. The screen is showing pixel by pixel at 1920 x 1080.

Component at 1080i is also very good. But the 1080p VGA upscales even regular DVD's and everything else the Xbox displays. And with 1080p, there's no need for de-interlacing. For games, p is better than i even if they're upscaled from 720p.

I posted some calibrations, but that was before this last update. Not calibrated, but I moved Brightness up to around 36 to 38. It probably should be somewhere in the low to mid 30's. Picture should be pushed up to 96 to 98. I don't think that's changed. And make sure to set Mode to Video (not Text).

I think any V2500 and XBR2/3 owners will be very pleased w/ both the 1080p VGA and the HD-DVD add-on.

You can't see me right now, but The Batman is doing a little dance of joy.

Now to pray the V2500 makes it to my doorstep in one piece...

Buying the VGA cable this weekend. Thanks for the green light and calibrations, rconn...

like rconn2 said, You're looking at the bezel on the sides, and the top and bottom are since the movie is 2.35:1, the calibration I have right now is

backlight : 6
Picture: 90
Bright :30
Color Temp: Warm1

never going back to component, I'll stick with VGA

bump - anyone else have a V2500 with working 1080p VGA after the update? Do you prefer VGA over component?

Well the VGA is working, in 1080p I think, can't really verify this since there is no way of displaying the input. Suficent to say is that is is runing in 1920 x 1080 without any problems (well you have to remove the box saying unsupported signal, but that's about it).

1080p on xbox 360 with vga output to the sony v2500 is absolutely amazing ... currently just trying to play with the display settings! does anyone have an good set-ups ? I LOVE THIS F-ING TV AND HD XBOX 360!!! :D


Display mode Video

Backlight 3
Picture 98
Brightness 33
Color temp Neutral

This is awesome.

I was too waiting to make sure that everything was fien with the VGA and the Fall update, now you guys just confirmed that it is all good !

I heard that there's no difference between the Monster cables and the ones from Microsoft, is that true ?

bump - anyone else have a V2500 with working 1080p VGA after the update? Do you prefer VGA over component?

Well, I just installed mine last night, I was worried at first because the line kept jumping, it's hard to explain, but up close, it was messed up, but I unplugged, put it back, change resolution, put it back to 1920x1080 and then it was fine.

But I have to say that I do not see a huge difference, in fact, I almost like the Xbox dashboard colors better when it's with the component using the Vivid picture mode.

I also played Gears of War on both component and vga and I am still not sure which one I like the best...

I do not remember my setting by heart, but I'm pretty sure it was:

Backlilght: Max
Picture: Max
Brightness: 30
Color Temp: Cool

Other than that, I tried some of you guys setting and the colors look to bleh compare to Vivid on the component...

Also, what setting do you have in the PC mode setting ?

The PC Mode needs to be set to Video. I don't understand why you think the colors look "bleh". They were a little drab, maybe a little undersaturated, before the 11/30 update but are not now. The colors pop and if anything, may be very slightly oversaturated... but are really close to the mark. I played the HD-DVD Aeon Flux that I got from Netflix last night (over 1080p VGA0 and the pq was astonishing!! It may be the best pq I've ever seen anywhere on any set.

Your settings look about right... I have Brightness in the 30's (last night it was 40... but I keep experimenting... haven't calibrated w/ the last update); Picture at 96 and Backlight pushed. Also Mode at VIDEO. Rent or buy Aeon Flux... you'll have to agree the pq is incredible. And some have said the VGA was not as sharp... I don't see this either... the titles and text were razor sharp along w/ the video itself.

Vivid is really for displaying at a b&m.... it's way pushed too far for everything... if you like it that way, okay, but few would. Relative to Vivid the VGA is toned down... thankfully. ;)

I LOVE THIS F-ING TV AND HD XBOX 360!!! :D
Display mode Video
Backlight 3
Picture 98
Brightness 33
Color temp NeutralAlmost exactly my settings after the fall update... not sure after the 11/30 update... I've increased Brightness a little but I'll calibrate and post on the V2500 calibration thread when I do. Also, stop by the V2500 thread and let people know.

I bought an open box VGA cable made by MS.
But using the VGA cable, I get screen tearing. Some parts of the picture would tear or bleed sideways.

It's not noticeable from far, but up close you can see that a straight line isn't there but it tears or bleeds.

Anyone else getting this? You have to be less than 1 foot away to see it after the 11/30 update.

Or is it just a bad VGA cable?
Should I risk buying a new VGA cable?

Sounds like a vertical sync problem. I'm guessing... maybe it could be a bad cable/connection/interference that's degrading the sync signal or you don't have pitch set correctly. Pitch and the other similar vga settings should be 0.

It would be normal if you see a light wavering of a line way up close w/ an analog signal. If it's much more than that, then not. Also, if it only happens sometimes for some games/video then that suggests it's the game/video. A bad signal/connection will always be bad.

I bought an open box VGA cable made by MS.
But using the VGA cable, I get screen tearing. Some parts of the picture would tear or bleed sideways.

It's not noticeable from far, but up close you can see that a straight line isn't there but it tears or bleeds.

Anyone else getting this? You have to be less than 1 foot away to see it after the 11/30 update.

Or is it just a bad VGA cable?
Should I risk buying a new VGA cable?

I had the exact same problem, I didn't actually change any setting, but I think the 'Phase' setting changed.

Anyway, here's what I did, I unconnected them, put back my component, try it, then put back the VGA, put it to a lower resolution, not the lowest, but the one just before the 1080, I noticed that it wasn't doing it, so I put it back to the 1080p and it wasn't doing it anymore.

So I am not sure exactly what was the problem, but I am alsmot positive that the first time, when it was tearing, the phase setting was set to something like -1 or 0 ?? Now it way up, not sure the exact number.

Also, I have to say that while I didn't notice any big difference while playing Gears of war, man was there ever a big one while watching a normal DVD, very very nice :)

I have pitch and phase set to 0. When I auto-adjust pitch comes back with wildly different settings, so I just manually set it to 0 (the default in the middle) and leave it there.

meh, I find that VGA at 1080p look like a blurry mess on this TV

will definitely keep the component cables and display stuff at 720p for all my gaming needs, and let the TV upscale all the material... 720p is basically the native resolution of all 360 games, so it'll probably work better this way

meh, I find that VGA at 1080p look like a blurry mess on this TV

will definitely keep the component cables and display stuff at 720p for all my gaming needs, and let the TV upscale all the material... 720p is basically the native resolution of all 360 games, so it'll probably work better this way



That's exactly what happened to me. I spent a few hours last night messing with the settings but it still didn't look NEAR as good on 1080p over VGA as it does on 720p over the component cable. So I guess it is component for me also.

That's exactly what happened to me. I spent a few hours last night messing with the settings but it still didn't look NEAR as good on 1080p over VGA as it does on 720p over the component cable. So I guess it is component for me also.


That's interesting. I wonder if it's simply a function of bad cables? I'm hooked up by VGA and I'm loving it - played through COD2 and GOW and am very pleased.

Although I admit when I tried on component I had it set to 1080i - I'll go back and try component with 780p and see if I get different results.

But I will say that I'm not getting a blurry mess at all. It's really gorgeous.

That's interesting. I wonder if it's simply a function of bad cables? I'm hooked up by VGA and I'm loving it - played through COD2 and GOW and am very pleased.

Although I admit when I tried on component I had it set to 1080i - I'll go back and try component with 780p and see if I get different results.

But I will say that I'm not getting a blurry mess at all. It's really gorgeous.

I am not experiencing a blurry messy as much as I am a haze effect. The lettering in xbox live is not clean, clear like it is when using component. I even toned down the color saturation via component and did get an image closer to the VGA Cable. The picture was still cleaner via component (not hazy at all) than with VGA. I highly doubt I have a bad cable because the washed out/blurry look has been talked about via VGA since the Xbox 360 came out. It is a common thing that some people spot and some people don't. I just wish I was one that could ignore it. :)

I am not experiencing a blurry messy as much as I am a haze effect. The lettering in xbox live is not clean, clear like it is when using component. I even toned down the color saturation via component and did get an image closer to the VGA Cable. The picture was still cleaner via component (not hazy at all) than with VGA. I highly doubt I have a bad cable because the washed out/blurry look has been talked about via VGA since the Xbox 360 came out. It is a common thing that some people spot and some people don't. I just wish I was one that could ignore it. :)

Hmm. Now I am wondering if I'm just one of the noobs who doesn't realize what he's looking at. Although I was playing co-op GOW last night and was very pleased with how crisp it was.

In any case, assuming for now that I just don't have enough experience to determine that my VGA has these problems, what are your calibrations for component? I'd like to test the cables again tonight and don't want to confuse a bad picture with simple bad calibrations. Thanks.

Hmm. Now I am wondering if I'm just one of the noobs who doesn't realize what he's looking at. Although I was playing co-op GOW last night and was very pleased with how crisp it was.

In any case, assuming for now that I just don't have enough experience to determine that my VGA has these problems, what are your calibrations for component? I'd like to test the cables again tonight and don't want to confuse a bad picture with simple bad calibrations. Thanks.


I will check my settings tonight for component. Can you list your settings for VGA? I am open to anything at this point and would like to calibrate my set like yours tonight. I will post the results. Thanks in advance!

Will be happy to. Like you, I won't have access to my settings until tonight, but I'll be sure to post them whenever I get home (sometimes it's as late as midnight, Eastern time).

YOTR, I think I solved the problem. I went back and watched the same cut scene from GOW on 720p over component, 1080i over component and 1080p over VGA. The colors on VGA, as well as the crispness were better. Not off the charts noticeably better, but better, to be sure. (Incidentally, I liked 1080i better than 720p...).

When I switched the 1080p from video mode to text mode, just as an experiment, the resulting picture looks exactly how you described it - definitely washed out and a little hazy. When I saw what the screen looked like and your description, I was shocked at how closely they matched. Then when you switch back to video mode, the colors pop again the and picture is crisp.

YOTR, I am guessing you are in text mode and you need to switch to video mode. I hope I'm right and it's that simple :-) Let me know!

I played around both with multiple games and HD-DVD via VGA. This is what I came up with:
Backlight 8
Picture 98
Brightness 40
Neutral

Hope it helps- it looks the best all around to me.

YOTR, I think I solved the problem. I went back and watched the same cut scene from GOW on 720p over component, 1080i over component and 1080p over VGA. The colors on VGA, as well as the crispness were better. Not off the charts noticeably better, but better, to be sure. (Incidentally, I liked 1080i better than 720p...).

When I switched the 1080p from video mode to text mode, just as an experiment, the resulting picture looks exactly how you described it - definitely washed out and a little hazy. When I saw what the screen looked like and your description, I was shocked at how closely they matched. Then when you switch back to video mode, the colors pop again the and picture is crisp.

YOTR, I am guessing you are in text mode and you need to switch to video mode. I hope I'm right and it's that simple :-) Let me know!


Well I tried your settings and I admit, I am liking the image a little bit more. I think I realize what might of been my problem all along to a certain degree. I had a 32 inch bravia xbr lcd before this tv. I never properly calibrated it and simply ran the 360 via the component cables. Now the stock image was great but very bright and clean. I think I associated that bright over saturated image with component over the 360. If your tv is properly calibrated for the 360 over component, should it look like that? If not, I think I got used to that image and tried to replicate it on the new tv. I was used to this super bright image over component and was let down when I connected my vga cable. With vga, the image can be bright but is still WAY more subtle when it comes to colors, tones, etc. Of course, maybe this is how the games are supposed to look and I just never took the time to calibrate my previous and current tv over component. Just my 2 cents though.....Any insight would help. When you run component to your 360 on this tv, do you have it set very bright or does it look comparable to vga. This may be the simple reason why I was very disappointed at first about vga.

I think it definitely comes down to preference. YOTR...I was in the same boat as you. I ended up returning the VGA cable because I prefer a picture where the colors really pop (my settings matched those who use the VGA). That's just my preference. I thought the VGA looked too dull for my tastes. Many people prefer a more film-like and realistic picture. I think this is what VGA gives you.

I think one of the problems was that there are people singing universal praises of VGA, even though it's not for everyone. I mean, if we're all taking a 360, hooking it up via VGA to a Sony V2500, and calibrating it similarly, we gotta be looking at a very similar picture. From there, it's just how your brain computes it.

quick questions but I dont want to search all the way thru this thread for it. Hopefully someone can help me out. I have this tv coming in a few days.

1) I heard this this tv does 1080p via VGA for the xbox 360. How would I do this. Do I need to download something?

quick questions but I dont want to search all the way thru this thread for it. Hopefully someone can help me out. I have this tv coming in a few days.

1) I heard this this tv does 1080p via VGA for the xbox 360. How would I do this. Do I need to download something?

Just download the updates from XBox live. They should be downloaded automatically, so you don't have to do anything except click "ok" or whatever to allow the update. In other words, you don't have to actively search the internet for drivers or anything.

Then plug in a 360 VGA cable in port 8 of your tv. Calibrate as desired.

My screen tells me "input not supported" when I use VGA, but it clearly comes in perfectly - somehow the new update tricked the V2500 into supporting 1080. So to make the little menu item that says "input not supported" go away, I just turn up or down the volume one notch.

thank batman

Just download the updates from XBox live. They should be downloaded automatically, so you don't have to do anything except click "ok" or whatever to allow the update. In other words, you don't have to actively search the internet for drivers or anything.

Then plug in a 360 VGA cable in port 8 of your tv. Calibrate as desired.

My screen tells me "input not supported" when I use VGA, but it clearly comes in perfectly - somehow the new update tricked the V2500 into supporting 1080. So to make the little menu item that says "input not supported" go away, I just turn up or down the volume one notch.


Batman - Can you post your settings? Do they need to be different for games vs. DVDs? It seems that you are very happy with your picture.

Mode: video
Backlight: set to preference
Picture: 94 (+/- based on preference)
Brightness: 38 (+/- based on preference)

Color temp: cool (although I did have it on neutral for a while)

Also if you scroll through the rest of this thread you will find similar settings.

I also think I might have gone back to neutral but I can't remember.

Edit: As far as DVDs go, I must admit I haven't tried it yet! But there are other V2500 calibration threads - not limited to the XBox forum - that have calibrated for DVDs. Just run a search.

I think I was on text mode as well and I had to push up the brightness....do you have any options like the power saver or the light sensor on?

I will try video mode with the lower brightness. Thanks!!

I think I have light sensor on and power saver off.

Text mode is what was killing you.

Thanks for the quick response.

The 360's 1080p VGA to the V2500 calibrates almost exactly using Avia (and blue filter lenses for saturation) with the following settings:

Mode = Text; Brightness = 28 - 32; Picture = 96 - 98; Temp = Warm2.

When Mode is set to Video, the Colors are oversaturated (though this is a choice if more vivid colors are preferred). Calibrated settings may seem bland but they most faithfully reproduce source material and become comfortable. So, Text is actually the accurate setting, not Video. This is after the 11/30 Xbox Live update which significantly increased color saturation.

Not only does 1080p VGA calibrate very, very closely (within +- 1 point), but it seems (to me) at least the match and likely better than component at 1080i. I played the hd-dvd Aeon Flux using the above calibrated settings, and the pq was incredible... about the best HD I've ever seen. I can't imagine why anyone else w/ a V2500, XBox 360, VGA and the latest update wouldn't see the same pq. I put away my component cables after that last update.

scherer: You buy the MS Xbox VGA cable; connect to Xbox Live and allow it to install the latest updates. In the Xbox console, choose 1920 x 1080 resolution. That's it.

I think one of the problems was that there are people singing universal praises of VGA, even though it's not for everyone. I mean, if we're all taking a 360, hooking it up via VGA to a Sony V2500, and calibrating it similarly, we gotta be looking at a very similar picture. From there, it's just how your brain computes it.Huh? The 1080p VGA _is_ outstanding w/ the V2500. Calibrated settings are the proper settings. It's a real plus that the VGA happens to calibrate so well. And when set to Video, the colors are oversaturated for those who prefer uncalibrated colors that pop.

If the praises aren't universal (which is a real surprise reading some posts on this thread) then that's because some aren't even pleased w/ a choice of having oversaturated colors (I'd guess a saturation well over 50) -- but not oversaturated enough? Who would guess that some would prefer bad pq or b&m over-the-top Vivid type settings? Whewwww.... something isn't adding up.

For other's who do prefer calibrated settings (and an option to pop colors beyond that), then the Xbox 360's 1080p VGA is incredible w/ the V2500. Some return VGA cables that provide gorgeous pq. And some of us shake our heads in wonder.

Will the V2500 accept a PC running at 1920x1080? Or does the plug and play report its max as only 1050? Im considering buying the set, and want to make sure it will work at 1920x1080 for my computer and have a 1:1 map

The 360's 1080p VGA to the V2500 calibrates almost exactly using Avia (and blue filter lenses for saturation) with the following settings:

Mode = Text; Brightness = 28 - 32; Picture = 96 - 98; Temp = Warm2.

When Mode is set to Video, the Colors are oversaturated (though this is a choice if more vivid colors are preferred). Calibrated settings may seem bland but they most faithfully reproduce source material and become comfortable. So, Text is actually the accurate setting, not Video. This is after the 11/30 Xbox Live update which significantly increased color saturation.

Not only does 1080p VGA calibrate very, very closely (within +- 1 point), but it seems (to me) at least the match and likely better than component at 1080i. I played the hd-dvd Aeon Flux using the above calibrated settings, and the pq was incredible... about the best HD I've ever seen. I can't imagine why anyone else w/ a V2500, XBox 360, VGA and the latest update wouldn't see the same pq. I put away my component cables after that last update.

scherer: You buy the MS Xbox VGA cable; connect to Xbox Live and allow it to install the latest updates. In the Xbox console, choose 1920 x 1080 resolution. That's it.

Rconn - I agree that the pq is very much improved at 1080p and will not go back to component. It just seems that with the brightness being around 30 that the picture seems very dark. I am mostly playing Madden, NHL, and boxing so have not tested out other games too much yet. I have also not purchased the HD-DVD addon as of yet.

To my eyes, it seems that the picture is much smoother at the 1080p than when I had component set to 720p and/or 1080i. Those settings provided much more rigid picture, but still clear as well.

Have you used these settings for watching DVD's only and not for games or do you feel that these settings should stay the same for both?

The 360's 1080p VGA to the V2500 calibrates almost exactly using Avia (and blue filter lenses for saturation) with the following settings:



How do you know this is accurate for games? Or any HD sources?

Rconn - I agree that the pq is very much improved at 1080p and will not go back to component. It just seems that with the brightness being around 30 that the picture seems very dark. I am mostly playing Madden, NHL, and boxing so have not tested out other games too much yet. I have also not purchased the HD-DVD addon as of yet.

To my eyes, it seems that the picture is much smoother at the 1080p than when I had component set to 720p and/or 1080i. Those settings provided much more rigid picture, but still clear as well.

Have you used these settings for watching DVD's only and not for games or do you feel that these settings should stay the same for both?

I agree- I think Rconn, your discourse has been very impressive and I admire your knowledge- but I too find the settings way to dark to play the games- it is almost a tradeoff, better picture for movies at your settings or better games at a higher contrast (around 40). Any thoughts?

The settings are for the Avia DVD played on both the DVD and HD-DVD drive. They may differ for games or HD-DVD's, but look very good for the HD-DVD's I've viewed. I'm sorry if my post seemed a little annoyed and pushy (that's only because I was ;)). It's just that I've found the VGA to be well saturated, not at all washed-out, and this is shown when using filter lenses to view saturation patterns. And with Video mode, colors are significantly oversaturated, so that's there for those who want colors to pop. This is what I was really reacting to... that anyone would find that not enough along with criticism of the VGA that it seems we're fortunate to have working so well w/ our sets. We may be getting the best Xbox 1080p VGA pq of any hdtv.

The settings are just a suggested starting point... other's may have better ones for different sources, or better for them. I also found Brightness a little dark too. I put in the range 28 to 32 (when Avia really calibrates at 28)... I prefer 32. It also helps to push backlighting when dark. I'd think Brightness in the low 30's to low 40's is a good, suit to preference, range. Picture does need to be pushed up though. It really should be maxed out, but I just backed off a little since pushing Picture too high can turn whites beige.

Will the V2500 accept a PC running at 1920x1080? Or does the plug and play report its max as only 1050? Im considering buying the set, and want to make sure it will work at 1920x1080 for my computer and have a 1:1 mapSome have gotten 1080p VGA to work from a PC using PowerStrip settings and have reported a 1:1 map. I'll have to look for the links, but they're in the Sony "W" thread on avforums.com and on one of the v2500 threads on this forum. I plan to experiment w/ those settings when I have a chance out of curiousity. but will keep the Xbox on the VGA. If you have a DVI or HDMI though, that's the better connection from a PC.

Here's a link to the V2500 calibration thread w/ setttings for getting 1080p VGA to work with a PC: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9256734#post9256734

Hopefully, some techies will follow-up and refine these (and figure out the settings output from the 360 which seem near ideal).

Not sure what the deal is, but I can't get my 360 to output anything over VGA to my brand-new 40V2500. I had it set to 1920x1080 for when I plugged it into my 2405, and it worked fine there, but all I see on my 40V2500 is a black screen and a resolution not supported message. I've tried doing the video reset using Y and the right trigger and it definitely worked for component (used to be set to 720p, after reset went to 4:3 480p) - is there some setting or something else that I'm missing?

rufo: Your screen should be set to 16:9. Try setting the vga to 720p (and 16:9) and get that or any vga resolution working. Then switch to 1920 x 1080 from the console. You could also try re-running the xbox initial setup (it's one of the menu choices in the console). Also make sure you have the latest xbox live updates since the 11/30 one improved the vga.

I don't think there's a widescreen/normal screen format choice for 1280x720 and 1920x1080. It's grayed out just like it is at 720p and 1080i/p component.

If you did Y and right trigger on reboot, then the VGA should be set back down to 640x480. And if that's not working you have a problem, because any VGA display should show that. You'll need another display and/or another cable to try to narrow down where the problem is.

got the tv yesterday and HD on cable looks perfect.

Now to the xbox 360: thru component looks great, tried rconn2's settings via the VGA cable and it looked too dark to play video games. Any suggestions. Also doesnt look as sharp when I have it set to "video", am I missing something here.

This is what I have right now:
Mode = Text (is that what is should be after the 11/30 update)
Backlight = 8
Picture = 96 - 98
Brightness = 28 - 30
Temp = Warm2

Wide Mode: ?
Phase: ?
Pitch: ?
Horizontal Center: ?
Vertical Center: ?
Power Management: ?

Power saving: ?
Light sensor: ?

Please help (Can someone please post what the best settings should be when watching a HD-DVD and when playing a game with the xbox 360 via the vga cable.

sethko, do you have yours set to video or text mode

got the tv yesterday and HD on cable looks perfect.

Now to the xbox 360: thru component looks great, tried rconn2's settings via the VGA cable and it looked too dark to play video games. Any suggestions. Also doesnt look as sharp when I have it set to "video", am I missing something here.

This is what I have right now:
Mode = Text (is that what is should be after the 11/30 update)
Backlight = 8
Picture = 96 - 98
Brightness = 28 - 30
Temp = Warm2

Wide Mode: ?
Phase: ?
Pitch: ?
Horizontal Center: ?
Vertical Center: ?
Power Management: ?

Power saving: ?
Light sensor: ?

Please help (Can someone please post what the best settings should be when watching a HD-DVD and when playing a game with the xbox 360 via the vga cable.

I played around with the settings via VGA for days- at the expense of a lot of teasing from my wife and kids about being neurotic. I finally settled on the video setting with backlight at 8, picture at 98, Brightness at 40, and neutral. This seems to give the best comination for HD-DVD viewing vis a vis color saturation while preserving brightness for game playing. It is not perfect for the HD-DVD part- but it is as close as I could get while keeping the game clarity and brightness which is what I care about the most. Overall, I am very happy with it- it is a better picture than I had on my 50 inch Vizio plasma perviously.

did anyone ever come up with the best settings via VGA for this

I have been messing with the settings for a couple days now. I have found that with the settings above the screen was a little too bright. I came to this conclusion using the THX optimizer that comes on Star Wars DVD's. The other settings are pretty accurate for me. There are a few other settings that have not been addressed IMO.

IMO I think if you own a HD add on . .you'll be happy with VGA during movies . .games you may want that brighter pic . . .if your like me ..( NO HD ADD ON) then component might be the better choice. I haven't watched a movie (SD) with VGA yet because I just find it not as nice of a PQ as component. I will tweak some more tonight but . . .just looking at the menu screens on the DASH board I am not happy with what I see. I am in VIDEO and have pretty much what others posted here but I seen a dark and almost (described) blurry screens.

I think these issues must be addressed in diff. categories since there are different variables that people may be dealing with because of the options. Since we got two different cables and view devices . . .but all assuming you have the update.
Example Below

VGA VS. Component RESULTS IN:

1) Games.

2) SD Movies (without HD add on)

3) SD movies (with HD add on)

4) HD movies (here's where I think the VGA may excel)

5) Maybe even games with hD ADD on ( could it be possible that there are different results here? 'I wouldn't know, I don't own it')_

What do you guys think?

VGA VS. Component RESULTS IN:

1) Games.
2) SD Movies (without HD add on)
3) SD movies (with HD add on)
4) HD movies (here's where I think the VGA may excel)
5) Maybe even games with hD ADD on ( could it be possible that there are different results here? 'I wouldn't know, I don't own it')_


I'd love to see the various results as well. I'm still not sure what inputs and settings I prefer for games and movies. I have everything hooked up via VGA right now, need to do some real comparisons, but I think games over component and DVD over VGA.

btt
Any thoughts?

Well, I hooked up my 40v2500 last night and did use the Xbox 360 VGA cable. I must say that with the settings provided her I thought the picture looked great. Unfortunately, I don't have any real evidence, except my opinion. :)

Well, I hooked up my 40v2500 last night and did use the Xbox 360 VGA cable. I must say that with the settings provided her I thought the picture looked great. Unfortunately, I don't have any real evidence, except my opinion. :)

Were you watching movies or games . .a great way I found to tell the difference between the pq on VGA and comp. is to look at the "blades" of the menu screen on the 360 . . . on my set, with the VGA the look less vibrant and sharp . . I don not own the HD so I can't see the diff. there but I must assume that if it doesn't push the same quality on the menu screen that it affects there as well.

The conclusion that I am beginning to come to is that for movie PQ needs which most agree are more natural lighting and realistic skin colors and tones . . the VGA dose well and any shortcomings it may have are not noticeable because of these settings. But with video games where this may be too dark to see the detail, and the vibrant color which we have come to expect doesn't show up as well nor the bright-vivid-sharp contrast that many gamers are used, I feel that the VGA doesn't do as well as the comp. cables.

I play a lot of games . .mostly Gears of War . . and it takes only a second for me to see that the VGA dose not give me the same clarity and is not as bright a picture as I prefer for games. When I put a, movie in (SD) it didn't bother me, it was almost trivial to see the diff. between the two. Now until I get the HD add on it is more convenient to keep the comp on.

I have tried diff. settings and have the update but . .. hmmm . .I have to say that so far I can't play with the VGA. :(

I have tried diff. settings and have the update but . .. hmmm . .I have to say that so far I can't play with the VGA. :(

Just to clarify, there was an Xbox 360 system auto-update yesterday (1/9/07) that fixed the VGA 1920x1080 display on the KDL-40V2500 (and many other Sony models, I think). Login to Xbox Live and you will be prompted to accept the update.

So, 1920x1080 now works great, though maybe a tad washed out? I'm used to a CRT.

But most of the Bravia processing options are not available for VGA, so tonight I will try the component cable for comparison...

I notice my HDDVD (Lady in the Water) was playing at full screen after the new update. The top 2 inch and bottom bars were completely gone and the movie filled up the entire screen....have you guys checked yours?

Hi all, I just got this set a couple days ago and I'm still working on the settings, but here are some observations based on my Xbox 360 source.

Running at 1920x1080 VGA works after the 1/9/07 Xbox update, but I do get the "unsupported signal" message and I notice quite a bit of noise or fuzz when I get up close to the display. So it's not quite working.

Moreover, the picture is VERY soft, by which I mean there are very few jagged diagonal or curved lines, but only because everything is quite blurry.

I can get rid of the noise AND the blurriness by running the Xbox 360 at 1280x768, but that only uses the middle 30% or so of the screen (with a 10 inch black border all around). Using the TVs "full2" wide mode to stretch the image to full screen brings back the blurriness, but not the noise. (I guess it doesn't matter if the Xbox 360 or the TV does the scaling -- it's going to be blurry either way.) So that's how I'm running now. But I wish it could be as sharp as the unstretched image...

By the way, 1080i over component cables is very jagged with lots of pixelation artifacts, so that's not a good option. It does look to my untrained eye that the "deinterlacing" is just a doubling of each scan line. Could be the source, I suppose, since Xbox 360 games are usually 720 internally.

At this point, I'm wondering if a Bravia with native 768 resolution would be more pleasing overall -- I think I'd rather have larger blocky pixels instead of blurriness... Anybody have any related expiences with these issues? I'm interested exclusively in Xbox 360 gaming (not movies or TV).

Thanks!

Hi all, I just got this set a couple days ago and I'm still working on the settings, but here are some observations based on my Xbox 360 source.

Running at 1920x1080 VGA works after the 1/9/07 Xbox update, but I do get the "unsupported signal" message and I notice quite a bit of noise or fuzz when I get up close to the display. So it's not quite working.

Moreover, the picture is VERY soft, by which I mean there are very few jagged diagonal or curved lines, but only because everything is quite blurry.

I can get rid of the noise AND the blurriness by running the Xbox 360 at 1280x768, but that only uses the middle 30% or so of the screen (with a 10 inch black border all around). Using the TVs "full2" wide mode to stretch the image to full screen brings back the blurriness, but not the noise. (I guess it doesn't matter if the Xbox 360 or the TV does the scaling -- it's going to be blurry either way.) So that's how I'm running now. But I wish it could be as sharp as the unstretched image...

By the way, 1080i over component cables is very jagged with lots of pixelation artifacts, so that's not a good option. It does look to my untrained eye that the "deinterlacing" is just a doubling of each scan line. Could be the source, I suppose, since Xbox 360 games are usually 720 internally.

At this point, I'm wondering if a Bravia with native 768 resolution would be more pleasing overall -- I think I'd rather have larger blocky pixels instead of blurriness... Anybody have any related expiences with these issues? I'm interested exclusively in Xbox 360 gaming (not movies or TV).

Thanks!

Did you do "auto adjust" from the settings menu after you put it in 1920x1080? It might be an obvious thing but I couldn't figure out why everything was wavy upclose. After running that it looked great.

Did you do "auto adjust" from the settings menu after you put it in 1920x1080? It might be an obvious thing but I couldn't figure out why everything was wavy upclose. After running that it looked great.
I will try that as soon as I get home. Thanks.

I've modified the xbox 1080p vga and 1080i component settings for the v2500 here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9449373#post9449373

I won't repeat the above post, but I don't see _any_ sharpness difference between the vga and component with dvd's, including calibration dvd's using different test patterns, hd-dvd's, the xbox console or GoW. The 1080p vga properly calibrates as is (with mode set to Text) and with Picture at 96 to 98 and Brightness at 28 - 32; Color temp at Warm 2 or 1.

With component, Color should be turned down to 43, which then matches the VGA. And Sharpness (and Noise Reduction et al) should be set to min or off. Turning sharpness up may cause pq to appear sharper, but it's just causing a distorting edginess.

I believe in calibrated settings: natural settings that as faithfully as possible reproduce the source. I think the 1080p vga from the xbox is very close to a proper calibration with Mode set to Text -- and that it looks great. It's what I use (though calibrated component looks great too). Video is a torch mode now after the 11/30 update and shouldn't be used. And as reported by GSB, Color Space for component should be set to Normal, always.

I will try that as soon as I get home. Thanks.I'm not sure the auto adjust works properly with the reduced blanking timings from the xbox vga. I set phase, pitch and centerings to 0 and don't see any wavy lines.

Running at 1920x1080 VGA works after the 1/9/07 Xbox update, but I do get the "unsupported signal" message and I notice quite a bit of noise or fuzz when I get up close to the display. So it's not quite working.

Moreover, the picture is VERY soft, by which I mean there are very few jagged diagonal or curved lines, but only because everything is quite blurry.

I can get rid of the noise AND the blurriness by running the Xbox 360 at 1280x768, but that only uses the middle 30% or so of the screen (with a 10 inch black border all around). Using the TVs "full2" wide mode to stretch the image to full screen brings back the blurriness, but not the noise. (I guess it doesn't matter if the Xbox 360 or the TV does the scaling -- it's going to be blurry either way.) So that's how I'm running now. But I wish it could be as sharp as the unstretched image...

By the way, 1080i over component cables is very jagged with lots of pixelation artifacts, so that's not a good option. It does look to my untrained eye that the "deinterlacing" is just a doubling of each scan line. Could be the source, I suppose, since Xbox 360 games are usually 720 internally.

At this point, I'm wondering if a Bravia with native 768 resolution would be more pleasing overall -- I think I'd rather have larger blocky pixels instead of blurriness... Anybody have any related expiences with these issues? I'm interested exclusively in Xbox 360 gaming (not movies or TV).

Thanks!Turn sharpness, noise reduction, and the advanced settings for component to min or off (see above post w/ link to settings).

I don't see the softness you're reporting for 1080p vga, certainly not compared to 1280 x 768 vga. The xbox console is a little soft, but it is as well over component since it's probably upscaled from a lesser resolution -- which is more than adequate since it's just some simple menus.

HD-DVD's over 1080p vga and component are equally, as far as I can tell, impressive. Threre's certainly no softness at all w/ the hd-dvd Aeon Flux or good scenes from other hd-dvd's. And GoW looks great over both.

As an experiment, try the settings I posted the link to on the calibration thread for vga and component. And let us know where you detect a difference between the vga and component: console, GoW menu screens, dvd's or hd-dvd's or whatever... something that we can follow. It's not easy picking up differences swapping cables, but I've done it repeatedly and used test patterns, and I just don't notice anything. There may be subtle differences, so I'm curious if you're seeing something I'm missing. But, I'd like to know specifically how I might be able to reproduce.

So, 1920x1080 now works great, though maybe a tad washed out? I'm used to a CRT. Calibrated settings do appear washed-out compared to torch mode settings. But when I look out at the real world, it IS washed out... I'd be worried if I saw fluorescent green lawns and glowing faces. ;)

Calibrated settings do appear washed-out compared to torch mode settings. But when I look out at the real world, it IS washed out... I'd be worried if I saw fluorescent green lawns and glowing faces. ;)

I always appreciate your posts and you seem very knowledgable. I must admit
I do like my settings bright, I wouldn't say torch lit nor Vivid settings .. but more up there for games than movies. I used a SD dvd Chronicles of Riddick and didn't seem to miss much in PQ . .but games . . I feel I am missing the sharpness and pop . .also things like detail are not completely lost but definitely less when in shadows and dark areas . . I will try again . .but I feel that if the VGA could get that same pop component gives in the menu screens I'd be happy with it.

I see all the differences with color, sharpness in VGA vs Component. .but the the 1080p vs. 1080i on games seems to not matter much if at all through these two cables . .maybe on HD movies it rocks but I can't say VGA is better for games.

Thanks for you efforts . .and I will give it an honest go.

I always appreciate your posts and you seem very knowledgable. I must admit
I do like my settings bright, I wouldn't say torch lit nor Vivid settings .. but more up there for games than movies. I used a SD dvd Chronicles of Riddick and didn't seem to miss much in PQ . .but games . . I feel I am missing the sharpness and pop . .also things like detail are not completely lost but definitely less when in shadows and dark areas . .

Games are HD. Your DVD is SD. I'm pretty sure there are two different color spaces involved. They're both being output at the same resolution, so whatever matrixing the TV might normally do to compensate probably isn't being done. Calibrating for one isn't likely to be correct for the other.

Turn sharpness, noise reduction, and the advanced settings for component to min or off (see above post w/ link to settings).

I don't see the softness you're reporting for 1080p vga, certainly not compared to 1280 x 768 vga. The xbox console is a little soft, but it is as well over component since it's probably upscaled from a lesser resolution -- which is more than adequate since it's just some simple menus.

HD-DVD's over 1080p vga and component are equally, as far as I can tell, impressive. Threre's certainly no softness at all w/ the hd-dvd Aeon Flux or good scenes from other hd-dvd's. And GoW looks great over both.

As an experiment, try the settings I posted the link to on the calibration thread for vga and component. And let us know where you detect a difference between the vga and component: console, GoW menu screens, dvd's or hd-dvd's or whatever... something that we can follow. It's not easy picking up differences swapping cables, but I've done it repeatedly and used test patterns, and I just don't notice anything. There may be subtle differences, so I'm curious if you're seeing something I'm missing. But, I'd like to know specifically how I might be able to reproduce.

I think the sharpness was the problem for my component setup -- I turned it down and everything looked much smoother. But still not as clear as VGA, which is where I'm concentrating my efforts now.

For VGA 1920x1080, I got rid of the noise/static by running the auto-adjust. But the image is still "soft" and I'm convinced it is the scaling done by the Xbox. Looks about the same as 1360x768 scaled up by the TV -- again, it doesn't matter who does the scaling, either the Xbox 360 or the Bravia.

I think the sharpness was the problem for my component setup -- I turned it down and everything looked much smoother. But still not as clear as VGA, which is where I'm concentrating my efforts now.

For VGA 1920x1080, I got rid of the noise/static by running the auto-adjust. But the image is still "soft" and I'm convinced it is the scaling done by the Xbox. Looks about the same as 1360x768 scaled up by the TV -- again, it doesn't matter who does the scaling, either the Xbox 360 or the Bravia.

Glad that worked theoxylo. As mentioned above by rconn, setting the phase, pitch and centerings to 0 helped it to look a bit better than the auto adjust setting. Not perfecyt but better.

I think the sharpness was the problem for my component setup -- I turned it down and everything looked much smoother. But still not as clear as VGA, which is where I'm concentrating my efforts now.

For VGA 1920x1080, I got rid of the noise/static by running the auto-adjust. But the image is still "soft" and I'm convinced it is the scaling done by the Xbox. Looks about the same as 1360x768 scaled up by the TV -- again, it doesn't matter who does the scaling, either the Xbox 360 or the Bravia.

I think it's that soft look that is killing me as well . . I think I have tried it all . .but I guess in the end it just makes me feel that it is not crisp as I'd like . . .I also think looking at the two that the are just as fluid as each other, so it is just that softer look that dosen't work for me in games.

I've been playing GOW on component for a while and the moment IK switched to VGA I felt like it was darker and softer which bugged me while playing, so I switched back for the games. I can't imagine that anyone who has used this TV with the component settings and played GOW for a few hours then switched to the VGA and used those settings would think that it is the better way to play.

Although I would love to be poven wrong and want the VGA to work well for both movies and games.

I play GoW on Component and VGA and can't tell which is which -- I'm not even sure which cable I have connected right now (I go back and forth trying to see what some of you are seeing w/ the softness and so on). I don't know... but w/ the calibrations I posted for component and vga (there are different settings for each), the pq is too close for me to notice a difference. I can only figure it's a settings' difference that others are seeing. Or if there's an exact scene, say in GoW... a menu or something... I'll take a look to compare again.

BTW, I'm not a gamer, and I don't like shooters... it's just that I can't stand the locust horde. ;)

I play GoW on Component and VGA and can't tell which is which -- I'm not even sure which cable I have connected right now (I go back and forth trying to see what some of you are seeing w/ the softness and so on). I don't know... but w/ the calibrations I posted for component and vga (there are different settings for each), the pq is too close for me to notice a difference. I can only figure it's a settings' difference that others are seeing. Or if there's an exact scene, say in GoW... a menu or something... I'll take a look to compare again.

BTW, I'm not a gamer, and I don't like shooters... it's just that I can't stand the locust horde. ;)

I'll try that link setting's again and see if it works for me . .although you settings for both may not be what I feel I need for games . .I am with you on movies but it's hard to go back to the games w/the same settings.

I hate those locusts too . .unless I am playing as one! ;)

if you have a v2500 or XBR2 all you have to do is set your movie settings in text mode and then set your game settings in video mode and switch back and forth...its very simple.

How many of you guys have cloudy sets (even slighty cloudy)? 'Cause I have been through five sets and have not found one yet! :confused:

How many of you guys have cloudy sets (even slighty cloudy)? 'Cause I have been through five sets and have not found one yet! :confused:

I have moderate clouding but it is slowly getting better with age. I have to ask, what do you mean you have been through five sets- what has been going wrong for you if it is not the clouding issue?

For me, VGA (1920x1080) is washed out and blurry on the Xbox 360. I can adjust for the first problem, but there is nothing to be done for the bluriness. Component is much clearer, sharper, and more vivid.

I have moderate clouding but it is slowly getting better with age. I have to ask, what do you mean you have been through five sets- what has been going wrong for you if it is not the clouding issue?

I have exchanged five sets because of the clouding issue. The one I have now only has minor clouding and may just keep it. The first four had horrible clouding problems. I was just hoping for one without it though.

I have exchanged five sets because of the clouding issue. The one I have now only has minor clouding and may just keep it. The first four had horrible clouding problems. I was just hoping for one without it though.

There's supposed to be a fix for it. I think you are supposed to lay the set face down overnight (protecting the screen with a soft cloth, of course) and that is supposed to even out any clouding. A google search might yield some better answers.

For me, VGA (1920x1080) is washed out and blurry on the Xbox 360. I can adjust for the first problem, but there is nothing to be done for the bluriness. Component is much clearer, sharper, and more vivid.Either the VGA is washed-out and blurry or it's not. I see no difference using test patterns, comparing hd-dvd paused scenes, the Xbox console and GoW menu screens with the calibrations I posted. VGA is as sharp as component using a variety of test patterns. Color saturation and Hue are correctly calibrated with Mode = Text to calibration dvd's (Avia and GetGray) using blue filter lenses. That means the colors are not washed-out. I think we're just talking past each other by not relating the same to the terms "washed-out" and "blurry" or to what component settings the vga is being compared.

If you can provide a specific example (a scene, menu etc.) w/ the exact settings, I'll be open-minded and take an objective look. I can't imagine what you're seeing to believe "component is much clearer, sharper"... actually, I'm thinking "more vivid" may be the clue and you have your component settings pushed. I'm just being straight-forward and not trying to defend 1080p vga. If I'm missing something, I'd like to know and will modify my view accordingly.

How many of you guys have cloudy sets (even slighty cloudy)? 'Cause I have been through five sets and have not found one yet! :confused:If cloudiness isn't acute (very distinct and not diffuse patches) and isn't noticeable w/ normal viewing then there's nothing wrong w/ a set. My set has slight cloudiness on unused input. Yet if I never frequented avsforum, it would never have occurred to me that this was even an issue. My Inspiron laptop's Sharp UXGA panel also has cloudiness on a black screen (much more so than my v2500). I've had for a couple of years, and only noticed when I checked some weeks ago. Little did I realize I've had a cloudiness issue all along. ;)

Apparantly, some do have moderate to severe cloudiness w/ bright patches that are noticeable, so I'm not questioning that. But, I'm just trying to place things in perspective and hope anyone who sees some diffuse cloudiness on unused input doesn't feel they have a bad set that needs to be returned. But if bad... definitely, return.

if you have a v2500 or XBR2 all you have to do is set your movie settings in text mode and then set your game settings in video mode and switch back and forth...its very simple.ahhhh but maybe too simple! ;) It figures... we get the bonus of 1080p vga from the xbox that just happens to be closely calibrated and.... complaints that it's _calibrated_ and not vivid enough! ;)

ahhhh but maybe too simple! ;) It figures... we get the bonus of 1080p vga from the xbox that just happens to be closely calibrated and.... complaints that it's _calibrated_ and not vivid enough! ;)


I'm sorry, but once again I've tried and just can't settle with the VGA on the games front. I won't exchange it until I can get it on HD add on (don't have one) and I trust it will be fine for movies. As far as our own interpretations of the words "blurry" "crisp" "clearer" ect. . . . I'm not sure, but I do understand what others are saying and also understand your standpoint.

I do not believe I have torch settings . . I do like a bit stronger backlight then some, (my settings in component are based off your posts) but I am looking at these screens and see that the VGA doesn't push as much as what I would call "crisp, clear, and vibrant colors" as the component dose.

Mabe the problem is the lack of being able to completely adjust the VGA settings?

My test is on games and the 360 dashboard, the latter being the easier way to see the difference in . .and if I can see the diif. there than I know it is going to be different on all front's

I'm not sure, but I see your points (rconn2) on natural colors and brightness . .but it seems to me on my set that I have to lower my preferable settings in component to match the VGA's and even then I feel that the component is a bit better. Still even if I did prefer the torch like settings it would be nice to adjust the VGA to that particular taste. I still love my TV and 360 and in the end I will not mull to much over this issue as for the TV still blows me away. Sometimes we all search for that perfect picture to the point where we are not allowing ourselves to enjoy our entertainment and it makes sense seeing how much we pay for our pleasure.

We all want to know and see we are getting the best PQ possible when sometimes it may not be that much better than what we previously had.

Your happy with what you see . .then that's great, I think I'll stick with the component and I'm sure someday 360 will come out with a HDMI and we can all forget this mess. ;)

Ultimate Cap: good post. I was just scratching my head w/ the blurry descriptions and swapping back and forth and getting frustrated wondering what other's are seeing. I'll take it that there are just more fine-grained component settings that some prefer over the Text and Video ones w/ the VGA. I swapped back and played GoW the other day w/ Text and it was crisp and vibrant. I just hope other's don't dismiss the VGA -- we're lucky to have 1080p VGA.

As we know, V2500 owners are discernable and, I agree, do demand the best pq. ;) Let us know when you get your hd-dvd. Component or VGA, you'll be impressed. Try Aeon Flux. Someone else mentioned Corpse Bride as incredible quality also.

Why do you recommend the Text setting? When I switch it to Video I get a noticeable jump in sharpness.

Why do you recommend the Text setting? When I switch it to Video I get a noticeable jump in sharpness.

That's really interesting. I either noticed no difference, or a better picture on Text Mode. It honestly (and not simply rhetorically) makes me wonder, how can that be?

That's really interesting. I either noticed no difference, or a better picture on Text Mode. It honestly (and not simply rhetorically) makes me wonder, how can that be?

I don't know, but I can tell it's sharper on the dashboard when looking at my gamerpic. I have the free 24 themed pic with the CTU symbol, and the very small writing is clearer in video mode.

Xbox 360 and this TV are amazing. I'm guessing through VGA it will always say unsupported signal right?

There's supposed to be a fix for it. I think you are supposed to lay the set face down overnight (protecting the screen with a soft cloth, of course) and that is supposed to even out any clouding. A google search might yield some better answers.


The best answer google will give you will send you back to AVS. The face down method is so six months ago! ;) Don't feel bad, thelead, I went through six XBR2's to find one without clouds. I was beginning to feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. Ooooh. . . I'm back at Best Buy . . . returning and buying another XBR2. Aaaaahhhh. . . get that Sony and Cher song outta my mind!!!! :eek:

BTW, the VGA made my Xbox look washed out, too. It's been so long ago now that I can't remember whether things looked less clear and less sharp on VGA. I know this. . . I used Gears of War as the litmus test and there was no doubt that component was the way I was going after I did the A/B comparison.

New spring update released today. Has anyone checked it out with VGA?

Xbox 360 and this TV are amazing. I'm guessing through VGA it will always say unsupported signal right?

yes, ignore it.

Xbox 360 Spring Update Improves VGA Image Quality (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7216)


Yeeehaw!

Looks a lot better with the enhanced setting.

I need to do some testing and calibration tomorrow morning, but it definitely looked much better over VGA with the Expanded setting - the dashboard colors didn't have the horribly washed out look they had before.

It also synced right up in 1080p, which is something I had a small amount of trouble with before.

Anyone get the Spring 360 update and notice the new video setting? There's now Standard, Intermediate and Enhanced settings for video output? Anyone know what's these are and what's best for the v2500?

Best solution: Buy an Elite.

Not the cheapest solution mind you, but certainly the best looking. My Elite via HDMI
versus the Premium I had via the VGA cable was a big difference, the Elite looks much
better. Of course, that was before the new VGA settings fix, but they can't fix Sharpness
over VGA and the Sony doesn't let you control that on the VGA input. Another reason HDMI
looks better on these V2500 sets.

As for the 'clouds' issue, once you find a set with very minor clouding, stick with it unless
you're switching brands because it's a wild goose chase swapping 5 times trying to find a
good set. I'm on my 4th (counting one 40" that was going back for the 46" regardless)...
they all have clouds.

Does everyone have the full 2 option locked when using 1920 X 1080? I got a 52XBR2 and have a little black line on the right side of the screen. Also when I play COD 3, in the beginning I got a light colored distorted line on the right side. The picture appears to be under scanned. Any ideas?

Thanks.

Hi, i have a question:

Does this tv display the 1080p with components or VGA?

pLEASE ANSWER me soon.

Greetings!

^VGA, yes. Component, no. HDMI is ideal IMO.

Help!

So I decided to move my xbox 360 upstairs and attach it to my new Bravia KDL-46V2500. I am using VGA as I wanted to be able to display 1080p when watching the HDDVD drive.

My problem is as long as I am using the VGA cables it always is a black screen with "PC UNSUPPORTED SIGNAL"...I have tried flipping back to compnent and changing to 720p, 1080p, 480p...once I switch back to VGA..always a black screen with the error message.

How do I get my xbox360 to display on the 46v2500 using VGA cables?

Thanks

Sorry to bring this topic back up, but I just recently connected my Xbox up through component on this TV and Im noticing the blurry effect people here have been saying. It seems that the picture is clear, but on text there seems to be some slight ghosting that appears, almost as if a transparency of the text was placed just slightly to the right of the text. Its very faint and can't be seen unless up close but it is there.

I have to admit though that it is much better than component.