I didn't want to go through the entire thread here.

And Wanted to ask if there is a GTG coming up in the Chicago area in the future that a Submersive will be present. I believe when I talked to Mark he is not set up at his place to give an audition of the Submersive.

Thanks Kurt

If I'm not mistaken, I think they just had a GTG. I think I saw pictures of it in a thread last night.

If I'm not mistaken, I think they just had a GTG. I think I saw pictures of it in a thread last night.

As usual I'm a day late and a dollor short .

As usual I'm a day late and a dollor short .There wasn't a Submersive at that gathering though, so you didn't miss it.

Edit: Apparently I wasn't thinking of the correct GTG, and there was actually one. Sorry...

There wasn't a Submersive at that gathering though, so you didn't miss it.

O.K I guess my question stands then .

Is there a GTG coming up in the future where a Submersive will be present. In the Chicago area ?

Thanks

I'll bet that if you requested an audition by a Submersive owner, someone might step up and offer it.

O.K I guess my question stands then .

Is there a GTG coming up in the future where a Submersive will be present. In the Chicago area ?

ThanksMaybe ask for an audition on Mark's forum?

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/mb/seatonsound

Is there a link to the pics of the GTG?

i have heard a seaton submersive, and it is VERY impressive to say the least. reaches deeper than any other sub i have heard yet

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You might not want to give them a listen unless you have a home for your current speakers. ;)

Nonsense... anyone who knows Kurt knows his diehard allegiance to his equipment. Something about prying them from his cold dead hands.... ;) :D

Not questioning the value... Just wishing that I had the money. My used studio 60's stretch my budget but hey we all gotta dream.

The Catalyst uses very capable very high quality/SQ pro drivers and with Mark's engineering touch it shines. Amplifiers are from B&O's ICEPower, check out how much a Bel Canton Ref1000 mono costs, and I believe Bel Canto use it off the shelf with no tweaks btw. Forget about whatever hifi stuff you have been exposed to, bro fugueness never looked back to nearly 6-figures $$ audiophilia after experiencing JTR and now he is running Catalysts. :p

No Hifi type of form before function fluff here. Would be nice if Mark offers veneer options though to attract a wider audience.

I have my own experiences with such drivers, but this is Mark's thread. LOL! Trust me they are good - you save on amps too.

Here's your bigger brother. Check out the 95dB fig, I think its 80Hz tuning or something? If you like higher SPL dynamic playback, there is no question.
http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/paradigm_studio100_v3

Yeah man, money. I just hope the economic crisis would end soon.... :(

Nonsense... anyone who knows Kurt knows his diehard allegiance to his equipment. Something about prying them from his cold dead hands.... ;) :D

Yeah ! Mike knows I hang onto gear for at least longer than a football season :D

Where did Mark Seaton posts go ? I seen them at work and now they are missing.:confused:

I am a manufacturer, and some of the extra details coming from me were a bit too direct and sales related.

I'll adjust accordingly now that I have an idea of the threshold. Please, let's not belabor any of this and keep it to technical and use matters. My own forum is the appropriate place to look for more detailed information.

Getting back on topic, there are pictures of the Chicagoland AVS GTG held this weekend in the Area Home Theater Meet which I attended and many heard the Catalysts, which to answer DOJ's question, are a large, tri-amped, LCR speaker of my own design. A quick search here or on my forum will pull up plenty of information.

i like the fact that the submersive has no HP filter making it a true sealed sub allowing you to take more advantage of room loading for the ultimate in infrasonics

not many sealed subs out there with no HP built in

friendly bump...

do front-to-back subs present better performance than back-to-back (if one can handle the obvious aesthetic disadvantage of having one sub's butt hanging out the back of the box)?

friendly bump...

do front-to-back subs present better performance than back-to-back (if one can handle the obvious aesthetic disadvantage of having one sub's butt hanging out the back of the box)?

Are you referring to the physically opposed configuration seen in the SubMersive and a handful of other designs or are you referring to the one driver inverted mounting as M&K used to do?

Are you referring to the physically opposed configuration seen in the SubMersive and a handful of other designs or are you referring to the one driver inverted mounting as M&K used to do?

since this is a submersive thread, let's talk about that--single enclosure, two drivers mounted back-to-back. now, if one of the drivers were inversely mounted, such that the magnet/motor structure was sticking out of the enclosure (and of course the polarity of the connection were reversed so both drivers move out and in the same as the submersive), would this be better or worse? of course, it would have a thermal advantage, and an aesthetic disadvantage, but those aren't what i am asking about here. i am asking about the performance/distortion effects of such a configuration.

it would seem to help reduce second harmonic distortion (well, all even order distortion for that matter) arising from non-constant bl with respect to voice coil location in the gap, but second harmonic distortion doesn't seem to correlate very well with subjective impressions of sound, with some folks even suggesting that increases in second order bass harmonics are preferable as they provide for a richer/fuller bass presence.

it's not at all clear, which is why i ask for your perspective.

How do you buy a Seaton Submersive. I just tried to go to the website and said it was not available. Can Mark or anyone give me the link.

How do you buy a Seaton Submersive. I just tried to go to the website and said it was not available. Can Mark or anyone give me the link.

one way is to send mark a private message. he'll get you fixed up.

one way is to send mark a private message. he'll get you fixed up.Nope, I have sent him several message both private and otherwise and he has NEVER answered. I suspect he might answer now so Mark, send me a PM here or not, but I will post if you do or don't :) It did piss me off enough to write other people on the forum and I asked THEM to send a message, they didn't get a reply either. Frankly, I am old and don't care about being "proper". Curtis?
Just to make sure the world knows, I will buy and pay for a submersive NOW. I do reserve the right to disclose here delivery or not (within any reasonable build time+Jim Salk will vouch that I am patient)

Nope, I have sent him several message both private and otherwise and he has NEVER answered. I suspect he might answer now so Mark, send me a PM here or not, but I will post if you do or don't :) It did piss me off enough to write other people on the forum and I asked THEM to send a message, they didn't get a reply either. Frankly, I am old and don't care about being "proper". Curtis?

well, all experiences differ, but if you really are a prospective customer, i'm quite sure you will get a reply on pm.

well, all experiences differ, but if you really are a prospective customer, i'm quite sure you will get a reply on pm.My $ has always been real and spendable. Frankly, I could list of litany of people who have received $ from me, but go to audiogon Randybes. In fact I invite anyone who has has had a commitment from me to express how I didn't perform. Jim Salk? Dr. Earl Geddes, so many more so many more. Frankly, I could go on, but why should I, I am OFFERING money.

In any event, I will pay cash for a Submersive, I just have to know where to legitmaely send the $.

Frankly, I am old and don't care about being "proper". Curtis?
HA...you are much more proper than some others. :) You are also one of the most fair and open minded people I know on these forums.

Now, of course, people have to trust what I have to say about you.

Nope, I have sent him several message both private and otherwise and he has NEVER answered. I suspect he might answer now so Mark, send me a PM here or not, but I will post if you do or don't :) It did piss me off enough to write other people on the forum and I asked THEM to send a message, they didn't get a reply either. Frankly, I am old and don't care about being "proper". Curtis?
Just to make sure the world knows, I will buy and pay for a submersive NOW. I do reserve the right to disclose here delivery or not (within any reasonable build time+Jim Salk will vouch that I am patient)

if you're that old, you might as well pick up 2 of them :D

if you're that old, you might as well pick up 2 of them :D
haha Let's start with one. But thank you Curtis.

How do you buy a Seaton Submersive. I just tried to go to the website and said it was not available. Can Mark or anyone give me the link.

Hi Randy, and others who have seen the "currently unavailable" message. The host & software support for my forum decided to make updates and upgrades this weekend. Apparently they are still in the process of this as I did receive this message:

"Please note that you may still experience some issues with the message board system while we finalize the upgrade. We are working hard to complete the upgrade as soon as possible. Thank you for your cooperation."

I was on the road all day and wasn't back in front of a computer until now. I just now updated the in development message to be more useful for cases like this.

Nope, I have sent him several message both private and otherwise and he has NEVER answered. I suspect he might answer now so Mark, send me a PM here or not, but I will post if you do or don't :) It did piss me off enough to write other people on the forum and I asked THEM to send a message, they didn't get a reply either. Frankly, I am old and don't care about being "proper". Curtis?
Just to make sure the world knows, I will buy and pay for a submersive NOW. I do reserve the right to disclose here delivery or not (within any reasonable build time+Jim Salk will vouch that I am patient)

Hi Randy,

It seems we've had a cycle of bad timing. I do apologize. I try my best to not use PMs here for any sales contacts, as there are (typically) other appropriate means like my forum, e-mail, and phone (with today's forum "enhancements" obviously not helping). While there are still some e-mails I miss or reply much later than I would prefer, this has improved greatly since last August or September. E-mail and phone calls from owners or those who are waiting on products they paid for get top priority, only then followed by new inquiries, followed by PMs on my own forum, and then finally PMs through forums like this and many others I am active on. There is no discrimination by reputation or otherwise. I am simply still growing resources to match the need. It has been a slow, yet constant progression. As a simple matter of efficiency, questions such as "What will shipping cost to #####?" are much easier to give proper responses vs. those asking for the meaning of sound in life. ;)

I cannot readily locate any prior e-mails or PMs in the past 6 months, but I will be happy to answer your questions via e-mail, phone, or even my forum (...when it comes back to life! :o).

Best Regards,

since this is a submersive thread, let's talk about that--single enclosure, two drivers mounted back-to-back. now, if one of the drivers were inversely mounted, such that the magnet/motor structure was sticking out of the enclosure (and of course the polarity of the connection were reversed so both drivers move out and in the same as the submersive), would this be better or worse? of course, it would have a thermal advantage, and an aesthetic disadvantage, but those aren't what i am asking about here. i am asking about the performance/distortion effects of such a configuration.

it would seem to help reduce second harmonic distortion (well, all even order distortion for that matter) arising from non-constant bl with respect to voice coil location in the gap, but second harmonic distortion doesn't seem to correlate very well with subjective impressions of sound, with some folks even suggesting that increases in second order bass harmonics are preferable as they provide for a richer/fuller bass presence.

it's not at all clear, which is why i ask for your perspective.

The benefit of this configuration will depend on both the implementation and the drivers used. If inverting the mounting of one driver, I would want the drivers as close together as practical.

Personally I haven't found it to be enough of a benefit vs. other pitfalls that it creates. First, this can help with suspension and BL asymmetries, but provides no significant gain to excursion linearity. With one driver inverted, you also now have to be even more conscious of any operational noises from the gap, pole vent, and general mechanics of the driver. Some drivers have much more or much less operational noise (i.e. non-harmonic noise from physical motion of the parts). Most drivers also have some degree of DC bias where the center of motion creeps one direction under high power or high excursion conditions. This bias can even be different directions for different frequency ranges. In a sealed box, the bias for the 2 drivers goes against the air spring. In the case of alternate mounting, the bias makes no pressure change in the box so the box offers no reduction of this bias. Finally, as you hinted at, the distortion is has the most potential to help with is not terribly objectionable. I'm not interested in creating "extra" 2nd order distortion for a playback device (instrument use is very different), but 2nd order harmonic distortion is a ways down the list of objectionable subwoofer behavior.

Hi Randy,

It seems we've had a cycle of bad timing. I do apologize. I try my best to not use PMs here for any sales contacts, as there are (typically) other appropriate means like my forum, e-mail, and phone (with today's forum "enhancements" obviously not helping). While there are still some e-mails I miss or reply much later than I would prefer, this has improved greatly since last August or September. E-mail and phone calls from owners or those who are waiting on products they paid for get top priority, only then followed by new inquiries, followed by PMs on my own forum, and then finally PMs through forums like this and many others I am active on. There is no discrimination by reputation or otherwise. I am simply still growing resources to match the need. It has been a slow, yet constant progression. As a simple matter of efficiency, questions such as "What will shipping cost to #####?" are much easier to give proper responses vs. those asking for the meaning of sound in life. ;)

I cannot readily locate any prior e-mails or PMs in the past 6 months, but I will be happy to answer your questions via e-mail, phone, or even my forum (...when it comes back to life! :o).

Best Regards,
Thanks Mark. I appreciate the post and reply.

Just ordered up a Submersive today. Needless to say Im very excited to receive this to replace my DefTech Reference. Im in NJ and apparently theres already 4 more here in this state already!

Where in Jersey are you?

Where in Jersey are you?

Lawrenceville.

Just ordered up a Submersive today. Needless to say Im very excited to receive this to replace my DefTech Reference. Im in NJ and apparently theres already 4 more here in this state already!

East coast starting to represent:D:p. I am sure you will post your thoughts when you get it.

Lawrenceville.

i used to live in Ewing, do you remember Hal's stereo ?

i used to live in Ewing, do you remember Hal's stereo ?

That sounds familiar to me. The first store that I bought my Def Techs from was in Jersey, It may have been that store. I don't think that Lawrenceville is that far from me.

i used to live in Ewing, do you remember Hal's stereo ?

Haha yeah. Thats actually who I got my first DefTechs from originally back in 97. They have moved to feasterville pa(now known as Audiolab). I still deal with them from time to time, Dale and Dave are the owners.

Haha yeah. Thats actually who I got my first DefTechs from originally back in 97. They have moved to feasterville pa(now known as Audiolab). I still deal with them from time to time, Dale and Dave are the owners.

WOW. I am like 20 min from audiolab in Fairless hills. I live 5 min from Feasterville. Don't know where that one is though. It must be the same guys I bought my def tech stuff from. A pair of pro400's, a c/L/R jr, which was later upgraded to a C/L/R 1000 and a powerfield 15 sub.

WOW. I am like 20 min from audiolab in Fairless hills. I live 5 min from Feasterville. Don't know where that one is though. It must be the same guys I bought my def tech stuff from. A pair of pro400's, a c/L/R jr, which was later upgraded to a C/L/R 1000 and a powerfield 15 sub.

My fault, you are correct. I meant fairless hills. Feasterville just happened to be the first "F" sounding place in my head.

My fault, you are correct. I meant fairless hills. Feasterville just happened to be the first "F" sounding place in my head.

Yea, I know that place. I emailed them. I mentioned my name but they did not remember me. I bought my pf15 sub, polk surrounds and ctrjr from them. It was a long time ago.

Well, I finally got my receiver situation resolved. UPS partially paid on the insurance and I was able to pick up another B&K AVR 507. It came on Wednesday and I hooked everything up except for the submersive. I was still waiting on the XLR adapter from Mark. So I hooked the system up with my ELT's and my old UFW-10. We watched a few movies and everything sounded pretty good. Then the adapter came on Friday and I was finally able to connect the submersive.

All I can say is that I guess I have never heard clean loud bass before. Nothing I have ever heard or owned before can compare to what I was experiencing with the submersive. The UFW-10 is a paperweight compared to that thing. When people in this thread say that you can shake your house apart with this sub (especially a P.O.S. house like the one I am currently renting), they are NOT kidding. My pull down screen was flaping, the projector was shaking, the dining room table in the room dining room above was rumbling, the floor joists were flexing... you get the idea.

In my previous dedicated theater, I was running a SVS CS 20-39+. It was able to pressurize my smallish (1300 cu. ft.) theater pretty well. The room was well sealed and the sub played down to about 17-18 Hz with authority. The temporary theater that the submersive is currently sitting in is approx. double the size of the old one and not sealed at all. With that being said, there is absolutely no comparison between the SVS and the submersive. The submersive beats it in every respect, by a ton! In my old theater, I was sitting near the back wall and receiving a fair amount of boundary gain. In the new one, I am smack dab in the middle of the room and still getting deeper, cleaner and louder response than I was before. Oh, and I am getting this response with the submersive's gain about two clicks above the bottom. I will never be able to use all of the output that this sub is capable of, so I think as far as subwoofers go, I am done! Now I just need to upgrade just about every other piece of equipment I own, to match the performance of my sub!

Now for the bad... This sub will let you know how good/bad your house was constructed. In my case, I don't think that there is anything in the room that doesn't rattle or vibrate or make noise while this thing is playing. Not the subs fault obviously, but something to consider if you live in an older, rickety home. I really can't wait untill my new home is completed, so I can see what the submersive will do in a purpose built theater with the proper construction and sound treatments.

Also, the calibration DVD that came with the submersive is awesome!! It has absolutely everything you could possibly need to property calibrate your system. Thanks Mark, now I need to save my pennies for some Sparks.

Ok, based on the above post, I'm really worried I may have bitten off more than I can chew. At the moment my SCRef produces enough bass for my neighbors to give me a call when to turn it down. If the Submersive is any more powerful I could end up being evicted by unanimous decision of my townhouse committee.

HyperM3,

Start packing. :)

Just because the submersive is capable of playing loud doesn't mean that it has to be used that way. Even at lower volumes, the quality of bass coming from the submersive is stunning. I'm sure you will be happy; and if and when you eventually change homes, you will have all the sub you are likely to need at the ready.

Hyper, just remember that you control the volume. Your situation just means that when you calibrate, just don't go nuts. This thing can still sound pretty damn good when it's just loafing along.

Can't wait to get mine... and very glad my nearest neighbor is several hundred feet away!! :D

Can't wait to get mine... and very glad my nearest neighbor is several hundred feet away!! :D

congrats, what equipment are you going to partner with your submersive?

I should be getting mine this week as well. Had a JL F113 (just sold it) and now a HSU ULS-15 to tide me over. A comparison is in order once the SubMersive is set up.

Rest of the equipment:
Gallo Ref 3.1s as fronts, Ref AV Center, Dues as surround side and back
Outlaw 990 Preamp (soon to be Onkyo 886)
Earthquake Cinenova Grande 7 Amp

It's a little off-topic, but how did the ULS-15 compare with thr f113?

It's a little off-topic, but how did the ULS-15 compare with thr f113?

As I posted in the Hsu thread, I don't think the Hsu sounds quite as good as the JL, however it does have significantly greater extension deep into the single digits (mine is fairly flat to 5Hz in room). For the money, I think the Hsu is a bargain, it just doesn't have the upper bass articulation the JL does.

I'm hoping the Submersive will give me the best of both worlds.

Thanks.

Hyper, just remember that you control the volume. Your situation just means that when you calibrate, just don't go nuts. This thing can still sound pretty damn good when it's just loafing along.

Maybe if you're bored at some point you could come over and help me calibrate it so only MY fillings rattle out.

vishal, I do think this sub will give you what you are looking for. To exceed the capabilities of the JL, you would need a second ULS-15 (ie. the DualDrive system). Too bad you aren't able to place optimally multiple subwoofers in your room. I've spent some time recently listening to multiple subs spaced apart in our demo room (both equidistant from listening position), and it's an awesome experience. Maybe you can convince your wife to re-arrange things in the future, and then you can get a second Sub-1 :)

vishal, I do think this sub will give you what you are looking for. To exceed the capabilities of the JL, you would need a second ULS-15 (ie. the DualDrive system). Too bad you aren't able to place optimally multiple subwoofers in your room. I've spent some time recently listening to multiple subs spaced apart in our demo room (both equidistant from listening position), and it's an awesome experience. Maybe you can convince your wife to re-arrange things in the future, and then you can get a second Sub-1 :)

pete, is there a subsonic HP filter in the ULS-15 ?

vishal - looking forward to your submersive critique, I find myself all over the field, get the ED A7-350 for $1200, no get the EDA7-450 for $1650 delivered, no get the big Conquest for $1650 plus shipping, or maybe I should get the beautiful PB13 for $1600 shipping included, no save up for the submersive with 2 15" at $2000 plus shipping, no wait and see the new 16" sealed SVS and on and on :)

vishal - looking forward to your submersive critique, I find myself all over the field, get the ED A7-350 for $1200, no get the EDA7-450 for $1650 delivered, no get the big Conquest for $1650 plus shipping, or maybe I should get the beautiful PB13 for $1600 shipping included, no save up for the submersive with 2 15" at $2000 plus shipping, no wait and see the new 16" sealed SVS and on and on :)

maybe this could help you a bit:

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/seatonsound/vpost?id=2922335

Yeah I have read them all and now there is a guy that's getting two Seaton Terraform XLs so I have been waiting to see how that goes and when they are built I am curious what the dimensions are going to be as they have 2 15s driving and two 18 passive radiators.
And then there is the possibility of a gloss black submersive...

Maybe if you're bored at some point you could come over and help me calibrate it so only MY fillings rattle out.

Well, to be honest, I had Mark set up my sub. But on the other hand, I do get bored quite easily at times:p. Can't wait to hear your thoughts.

I should be getting mine this week as well. Had a JL F113 (just sold it) and now a HSU ULS-15 to tide me over. A comparison is in order once the SubMersive is set up.

Rest of the equipment:
Gallo Ref 3.1s as fronts, Ref AV Center, Dues as surround side and back
Outlaw 990 Preamp (soon to be Onkyo 886)
Earthquake Cinenova Grande 7 Amp

That is some very nice gear you have there.

Ok, based on the above post, I'm really worried I may have bitten off more than I can chew. At the moment my SCRef produces enough bass for my neighbors to give me a call when to turn it down. If the Submersive is any more powerful I could end up being evicted by unanimous decision of my townhouse committee.

So...you bit off a little too much....I don't want to see you homeless! Out of the goodness of my heart, this is what I'm prepared to do, I'll take the SubMersive off your hands for....how does $1500 sound? ;)

So...you bit off a little too much....I don't want to see you homeless! Out of the goodness of my heart, this is what I'm prepared to do, I'll take the SubMersive off your hands for....how does $1500 sound? ;)

Haha, you're a kind soul sir. AVS is definitely never without those that care. I just wish I knew the exact time (week?) that my sub was going to be delivered.

Haha, you're a kind soul sir. AVS is definitely never without those that care. I just wish I knew the exact time (week?) that my sub was going to be delivered.

The waiting period would definitely suck. Good Luck! Remember my offer. :rolleyes:

congrats, what equipment are you going to partner with your submersive?

Well, lets just say this will be the "best" component in my system:
LG BD300 (waiting for Oppo)
Pioneer Elite VSX03TXH
NH VT1.2's for L/R/C (Someday these will be Sparks)
SpeakerCraft AIM8TWO's for rears (in ceiling unfortunately)
Panasonic 50" (waiting for main cable watching TV to die so I can do Front Projection)

vishal - looking forward to your submersive critique, I find myself all over the field, get the ED A7-350 for $1200, no get the EDA7-450 for $1650 delivered, no get the big Conquest for $1650 plus shipping, or maybe I should get the beautiful PB13 for $1600 shipping included, no save up for the submersive with 2 15" at $2000 plus shipping, no wait and see the new 16" sealed SVS and on and on :)

Yeah, I did that very same thing as well. Agonized over it for a month or so. "BAH! Just get the SubMersive already!!" is the conclusion I came to.

vishal, I do think this sub will give you what you are looking for. To exceed the capabilities of the JL, you would need a second ULS-15 (ie. the DualDrive system). Too bad you aren't able to place optimally multiple subwoofers in your room. I've spent some time recently listening to multiple subs spaced apart in our demo room (both equidistant from listening position), and it's an awesome experience. Maybe you can convince your wife to re-arrange things in the future, and then you can get a second Sub-1 :)

thanks for weighing in here pete...much appreciated...is it fair to inquire as to what is the qes of the driver employed in the uls-15?

Well, lets just say this will be the "best" component in my system:
LG BD300 (waiting for Oppo)
Pioneer Elite VSX03TXH
NH VT1.2's for L/R/C (Someday these will be Sparks)
SpeakerCraft AIM8TWO's for rears (in ceiling unfortunately)
Panasonic 50" (waiting for main cable watching TV to die so I can do Front Projection)


thanks hifi...what i was kind of hoping for is the equipment that you will be employing in the submersive upstream (i.e., eq and amp).

So what exactly is the current wait time for a submersive?

thanks hifi...what i was kind of hoping for is the equipment that you will be employing in the submersive upstream (i.e., eq and amp).

Anti-Mode 8033. I have an old Monster cable that came with the previous used sub I bought and another cable from Monoprice then from that into the balanced to unbalanced changer. As far as amp, I will be using the internal Amp. As far as Amp in the rest of my system, I am not sure what I am going to do yet. For now I will leave it on the receiver. I am strongly considering Mark's Sparks as a future upgrade to my L/R/C channels and as they are also internally amp'd any Amp upgrade I do for my NHT's now would be essentially throw away so I am going to get the SubMersive in house, see how things sound and decide from there.

So what exactly is the current wait time for a submersive?

I think Mark has some lead time info posted on his website.
Here is a link that has all the info
http://forums.seaton-sound-forum.com/tool/post/seatonsound/vpost?id=3364736#1

Just read about something called a SubDude by Auralex. Anyone have one of these or can comment if it might help keeping the sub from resonating to my neighbors?

Just read about something called a SubDude by Auralex. Anyone have one of these or can comment if it might help keeping the sub from resonating to my neighbors?

I had one of those for my other sub. It worked somewhat. I think it tightened up the bass a bit. Mark said that the submersive is so inert that it really would not make a difference. So I don't use it now. I guess it would not hurt to try it. But I do think you will just have to watch your levels of playback. Or, you can have movie nights and have them come over also. That way no one will care if it is cranked:p.:D.

Or, you can have movie nights and have them come over also. That way no one will care if it is cranked:p.:D.

True, but I highly doubt that people in their late 60's will be wanting to watch the same movies I do at the same levels that I do. It definitely seems that I brought the age demographic down considerably when I moved into this neighborhood. It was a very good suggestion otherwise.

Ok, so not gonna get that subdude thing anymore for the sub. Would they work well with main speakers ya think?

hyper,

There's a thread on the subdude.

Might want to check there.

Hyper

I noticed you are replacing the Ref with a Submersive. I am currently running the SCRef with a SC 1 and a Sunfire signature and am seriously thinking of switching to the Sub 1, or the Ultra 13, maybe the Epik Phoenix. If I could replace all three and get a much better, deeper , tighter sound with one Sub1that would be excellent.

Out of curiousity what specifically on the Ref do you feel falls short of what you would like to hear?

hyper,

There's a thread on the subdude.

Might want to check there.

Thanks, ended up finding it a bit after my post here.

Hyper

I noticed you are replacing the Ref with a Submersive. I am currently running the SCRef with a SC 1 and a Sunfire signature and am seriously thinking of switching to the Sub 1, or the Ultra 13, maybe the Epik Phoenix. If I could replace all three and get a much better, deeper , tighter sound with one Sub1that would be excellent.

Out of curiousity what specifically on the Ref do you feel falls short of what you would like to hear?

I find it to be a bit too muddy and slow. I would prefer more punchy and quick. It definitely gets deep, and makes the neighbors knock on my door, dont mistake that. You also have to understand that Im the type of person who is never completely satisfied. So the Ref might work perfectly for you and theres nothing wrong with it.

Yes, muddy and slow does describe it , with a bit too much overhang. I am wondering if the Seaton, Epik or the Ultra will get rid of this effect though. It would be nice to have more gut punch slam, though like you said it is plenty loud & deep, just not quite tight, fast enough.

Or, is this built into the soundtracks and is what the director intended? Sometimes I think this may be the case and we try to solve a problem that is not there. I would love to watch WOTW on a Seaton or SVS Ultra system to compare.

If the Sub 1 solves this problem it would be worth the money.
I only live 2 hours outside Chicago so I could drive there,
pick one up and not deal with shipping. As a matter of fact , Epik is also located down there. Also, have you heard the SVS Ultra?

Really, I would like to know what to do.

Yes, muddy and slow does describe it , with a bit too much overhang. I am wondering if the Seaton, Epik or the Ultra will get rid of this effect though. It would be nice to have more gut punch slam, though like you said it is plenty loud & deep, just not quite tight, fast enough.

Or, is this built into the soundtracks and is what the director intended? Sometimes I think this may be the case and we try to solve a problem that is not there. I would love to watch WOTW on a Seaton or SVS Ultra system to compare.

If the Sub 1 solves this problem it would be worth the money.
I only live 2 hours outside Chicago so I could drive there,
pick one up and not deal with shipping. As a matter of fact , Epik is also located down there. Also, have you heard the SVS Ultra?

Really, I would like to know what to do.

Well, once I finally receive it Ill be able to make a clear comparison between it and the reference. I have plenty of memorized demo material(wotw included) to see if what Im looking for in a new sub is there. Ill be dead honest if its not any better. But Ill be dead honest if its a marked improvement as well.

Yes, muddy and slow does describe it , with a bit too much overhang. I am wondering if the Seaton, Epik or the Ultra will get rid of this effect though. It would be nice to have more gut punch slam, though like you said it is plenty loud & deep, just not quite tight, fast enough.

Or, is this built into the soundtracks and is what the director intended? Sometimes I think this may be the case and we try to solve a problem that is not there. I would love to watch WOTW on a Seaton or SVS Ultra system to compare.

If the Sub 1 solves this problem it would be worth the money.
I only live 2 hours outside Chicago so I could drive there,
pick one up and not deal with shipping. As a matter of fact , Epik is also located down there. Also, have you heard the SVS Ultra?

Really, I would like to know what to do.
If you are 2 hours outside of Chicago, then you should check out the April 18th Chicago meet. Mark Seaton will be there along with his SubMersive, and also his Catalysts (and maybe even his Sparks). Should be something worth seeing. I am sure others will chime in as well.... Wish I could go (come on Southwest Airlines... drop them fares!!)

Just want to keep the thread alive. I hate waiting when I dont have a specific time frame. I just come home every day from work anticipating either a big package on my doorstep or a hang tag saying "signature required".

I watched Slumdog Millionaire last night. I have to say that the dynamics of this sub are stunning. Most of the movie, it seemed as if the sub wasn't even on. Then when the famous actor's helicopter lands, the bass swells up out of nowhere. One second no bass, the next, my pants were flapping. For my old sub to even approach this, the bass would have been exaggerated and bloated the whole time.

lot of submersives hitting the garden state :)

lot of submersives hitting the garden state :)

I emailed Mark last Sunday to get an ETA on my sub. No response yet :(

Don't worry, Mark is not known for his responsiveness to emails:) He has been keeping pretty well to his estimated shipping times as far as I know, though. It may seem like a long wait, but it is definitely worth it.

Soon to be another NJ Submersive owner. I ordered mine on March 18th. I'm guessing it will be shipping any day now. Estimate from Mark was April 3-10.

Just a quick message that I received my Submersive, installed it in my theater, and am very happy. It is an exceptional sub and a bargain at it's price.

Just a quick message that I received my Submersive, installed it in my theater, and am very happy. It is an exceptional sub and a bargain at it's price.

Just wondering how it was delivered; UPS or FedEx? I just want to know which truck to be on the lookout for.

Just wondering how it was delivered; UPS or FedEx? I just want to know which truck to be on the lookout for.Mine was delivered FedEx. My wife signed for it and said I should be ashamed of myself because the skinny Fedex guy had to bring up to the porch.:o

Anxiously awaiting mine here in Northern California.

Randy - I haven't been following the Geddes sub thread, but have you decided to stick with a single, very capable sub in the SubMersive or will you augment the mid/upper bass with something else?

Anxiously awaiting mine here in Northern California.

Randy - I haven't been following the Geddes sub thread, but have you decided to stick with a single, very capable sub in the SubMersive or will you augment the mid/upper bass with something else?No, I am going to augment. I still feel that the room is hard to tame (at more than one seat location) with just one sub.

No, I am going to augment. I still feel that the room is hard to tame (at more than one seat location) with just one sub.
Please share your final configuration once you have it all figured out.

Please share your final configuration once you have it all figured out.Will do.

I too will be curious as to what you augment the Submersive with in the midbass region. I believe that Mark has said that this area is among the Submersive's strongest. I would think that you would need something along the lines of a Danley or JTR offering to keep up with the Submersive.

A -SEALED- setup SVS PB13-Ultra may help a bit (having not heard the submersive)... but I wouldn't exactly call the PB13 "punchy." I actually prefer my main speakers for the punchy mid-bass and the PB13 down below 60Hz.

Also not sure what you're referring to as mid-bass, I'm thinking 80-120Hz os so?

No, I am going to augment. I still feel that the room is hard to tame (at more than one seat location) with just one sub.

I am curious as to what you plan to do. I struggle with this whole idea in my own room. If you have a smaller sealed room, the Submersive will have fantastic response all the way down to the very low teens(and more) with room gain. It's also well known to have been designed for excellent mid bass response. So what do you do? This was probably discussed ad nauseum in that Geddes thread, but I bailed on that one early. If the Submersive does both things right, isn't the best way to tame the room effects to just add more Submersives???

I am curious as to what you plan to do. I struggle with this whole idea in my own room. If you have a smaller sealed room, the Submersive will have fantastic response all the way down to the very low teens(and more) with room gain. It's also well known to have been designed for excellent mid bass response. So what do you do? This was probably discussed ad nauseum in that Geddes thread, but I bailed on that one early. If the Submersive does both things right, isn't the best way to tame the room effects to just add more Submersives???As great as the Submersive is, it does not defy physics and take away room modes. It appears you think the sub controls the room but one sub does not control a room. As far as adding more submersives, that would probably work although I have other subs that I can play with to get the smoothest response possible. One submersive in my room is enough for the very low stuff and it isn't that it doesn't do great in the mid-bass, it just doesn't change physics. I have never bought into all subs have to be the same or you can't make it work, but bass is hard and a lot of work no matter what sub(s) you have.

As great as the Submersive is, it does not defy physics and take away room modes. It appears you think the sub controls the room but one sub does not control a room.

No, not at all. I think you misunderstood me. I have this exact issue in my own room, and always seek a better solution. I have 5 subs in my room at the moment, and my second row still has a 16 db dip. Placement is my problem. Big subs leave little wiggle room on placement. I ended up with 4 in front, and one monster in the room. The monster is going to leave and get replaced by 2 smaller LMS subs that can be moved about. The 4 up front are Rythmiks. Integrating the two sets will be the difficult part.

No, not at all. I think you misunderstood me. I have this exact issue in my own room, and always seek a better solution. I have 5 subs in my room at the moment, and my second row still has a 16 db dip. Placement is my problem. Big subs leave little wiggle room on placement. I ended up with 4 in front, and one monster in the room. The monster is going to leave and get replaced by 2 smaller LMS subs that can be moved about. The 4 up front are Rythmiks. Integrating the two sets will be the difficult part.Sorry, I did misunderstand. Yes, I agree, it is hard to accomdate. I have 6 subs right now, but I have only begun to really try to integrate them into something manageable. That being said, the Submersive subjectively goes the lowest and is an awesome sub. All I did for now though is run an SMS average of 5 mic positions. I have visitors this weekend so wanted to have some semblance of a system:)

Damn, 5 subs, 6 subs, and me with my single. I guess I should count myself lucky. Mark was able to get a fairly good response with just one submersive and dsp30 eq. Now that does not mean that I secretly wish I could squeeze 2 or 3 more in my room :).

I met the man, Mark Seaton, on Saturday at the CAVE meet. Mark had his new Sparks paired up with a SubMersive for a L/R/C/Sub configuration. MY GOD! :eek: His creations deserve ALL the hype they acquire. The SubMersive was powerful and clean, The Catalysts were knocking tiny particles off of the acoustic tiled cealing. The sparks were very powerful for their size. GREAT STUFF MR. SEATON!! :)

+1 Bluedevilfan.... that was an impressive auditioning of both setups...

The little sparks are indeed not so little and can easily stack up against tower speakers IMO with no trouble whatsoever, they will make a serisously gnarly system for bookshelves.... mated with the submersive like in that room was more then most people would ever have or need... 1st class...

The Catalysts got so loud and stayed incredibly clean into excruciating levels, beyond what I like to listen at, and let me tell you - thats loud.

I left there and my head hurt for quite some time with the volume that was played.... I detected not one hint of distortion at all... Loved the setup.

Mark, it was great to meet you buddy... Thanks for the opportunity

Regards

Patrick

Have to echo the last two comments here. That experience was truly something I've never.......well.....experienced before. Now that I've had a chance to not only hear but feel the submersive I don't think there's truly anything out there at it's size, let along price that can touch it. Now if only I could afford one! Looks like I'll just have to settle for my little 'ole MFW-15 when it eventually get's here. Although still a Mark Seaton design:)

On a side note it was great talking to Mark as well and I have to say I'm very impressed by everything regarding his speaker accomplishments - bravo!

Sounds like a great get together. The Sparks do sound very potent. The Catalysts I am sure a certainly something to behold. Some day....

Sounds like a great get together. The Sparks do sound very potent. The Catalysts I am sure a certainly something to behold. Some day....

You can check out the photos in the CAVE meet thread.

+1 Bluedevilfan.... that was an impressive auditioning of both setups...

The little sparks are indeed not so little and can easily stack up against tower speakers IMO with no trouble whatsoever, they will make a serisously gnarly system for bookshelves.... mated with the submersive like in that room was more then most people would ever have or need... 1st class...

The Catalysts got so loud and stayed incredibly clean into excruciating levels, beyond what I like to listen at, and let me tell you - thats loud.

I left there and my head hurt for quite some time with the volume that was played.... I detected not one hint of distortion at all... Loved the setup.

Mark, it was great to meet you buddy... Thanks for the opportunity

Regards

Patrick

+1 I thought this as well Patrick. AJ's face was priceless when he heard the Catalysts. An 18th Bday he'll definitely remember!. By the way....he's a very nice, well mannered, polite young man. Good job!

did anyone have a paradigm servo15-v2 before acquiring the submersive?

if so, can you offer some comparative commentary?

thanks.

+1 I thought this as well Patrick. AJ's face was priceless when he heard the Catalysts. An 18th Bday he'll definitely remember!. By the way....he's a very nice, well mannered, polite young man. Good job!


Thanks buddy.... appreciate that.... Seems that all those beatings paid off :D He had a great time..... He has grown to become quite the audio enthusiast, I wonder why... :rolleyes: I think I ruined him for life, but I could think of worse hobbies for him to get into..

You can check out the photos in the CAVE meet thread.
Thanks. There is also a thread on Mark's forum as well. I saw that one.

Thanks buddy.... appreciate that.... Seems that all those beatings paid off :D He had a great time..... He has grown to become quite the audio enthusiast, I wonder why... :rolleyes: I think I ruined him for life, but I could think of worse hobbies for him to get into..

AJ's quite the dude.. had a good time chatting with him.. he had all kinds of good feedback on various subs and drivers :D. Glad he had a good birthday. well as good as one can be without the bus load of women :p

Hey guys, my Onkyo 886 pre/pro (AKA Integra 9.9) has 1 XLR subwoofer pre-out.

Is there a way to split the pre-out using XLR cables to the Submersive and a SVS PB13?

Hey guys, my Onkyo 886 pre/pro (AKA Integra 9.9) has 1 XLR subwoofer pre-out.

Is there a way to split the pre-out using XLR cables to the Submersive and a SVS PB13?

The submersive has both an XLR input and out for chaining them together so yea no problem

Hey guys, my Onkyo 886 pre/pro (AKA Integra 9.9) has 1 XLR subwoofer pre-out.

Is there a way to split the pre-out using XLR cables to the Submersive and a SVS PB13?

The submersive has both an XLR input and out for chaining them together so yea no problem

Hi humyt,

Sandbagger is correct that the looping XLR connection will allow exactly this. There are no electronics in between the connections, just a pass through so what you describe works just fine. If needed, I have also seen some wired XLR Female-dual Male adapters available from pro audio suppliers like Markertek or Full Compass.

Mark and sandbagger, thanks. :)

Didn't know XLR Female-dual Male adapters existed :cool:

i dont know if i missed it but can someone tell me where to pick up a submersive?

i dont know if i missed it but can someone tell me where to pick up a submersive?

They are direct order from Mark Seaton...his website is:

www.websitetoolbox.com/mb/seatonsound

His subs/speakers are second to none!

with the submersive do you have to buy anything extra to get it to work or is it just plug and play? And how hard is it to tune to a specific room?

with the submersive do you have to buy anything extra to get it to work or is it just plug and play? And how hard is it to tune to a specific room?

It's pretty much plug and play. Not sure if Mark includes an RCA-XLR adapter for use with recivers. Otherwise, just connect it, calibrate it and enjoy it.
It is no harder than anyother sub to tune. This has been used in rooms of 1000cf(mine) to people who have 4500cf+ rooms and it seems to be not much of a chore either way.

i dont know if i missed it but can someone tell me where to pick up a submersive?

John is right about that website that he posted :),
Plus he is correct about his speakers and subs
But I think there is a newer URL that Mark has
http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/
So you could goto that one

I'm pretty sure that Mark is shipping a RCA to XLR adapter with the submersive (at least he did with mine).

Is the SubMersive 110V only or is it also compatible with 220/240V?

Is the SubMersive 110V only or is it also compatible with 220/240V?

Hi Kain,

The amplifiers in all of my current products are switchable from US to Euro Voltage (115/230V is the typical listing on amplifiers). This only requires the appropriate power cord which I include when shipping to 230V regions.

They are direct order from Mark Seaton...his website is:

www.websitetoolbox.com/mb/seatonsound

His subs/speakers are second to none!

John is right about that website that he posted :),
Plus he is correct about his speakers and subs
But I think there is a newer URL that Mark has
http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/
So you could goto that one


Oops. :D

What are the dimensions of the SubMersive and how much does it weigh?

24.25" W x 17.5" D x 25.5" H - 120 lbs.

I'm pretty sure that Mark is shipping a RCA to XLR adapter with the submersive (at least he did with mine). Does the SubMersive not have RCA connections for the amplifier?

Does the SubMersive not have RCA connections for the amplifier?

No, only XLR.

How long as the SubMersive been in production and when can we expect an update or a newer model?

How long as the SubMersive been in production and when can we expect an update or a newer model?

As a submersive owner (#2)and I am sure I can speak for the rest of us too. There is no need to come out with a new version/upgrade:eek:

Mark has a few other subs that do things very very well but in different ways. for the size and output.... submersive is great

I think the first Subermersives were built around 2005-2006 (not sure about that). I doubt that there will be a newer model anytime soon. I'm not sure what, exactly, mark could do differently in the same type of design to make it any better. You have to remember that this is not a mass market type of product, but a specialty "boutique" type of product that was initially designed with a performance first approach. If you are interested in upgrades, Mark would likely steer you towards a different product (i.e., the Terraform or Terraform XL). Mark will correct me if I am wrong.

Does anyone have any distortion figures for the SubMersive?

How long as the SubMersive been in production and when can we expect an update or a newer model?

As a submersive owner (#2)and I am sure I can speak for the rest of us too. There is no need to come out with a new version/upgrade:eek:

Mark has a few other subs that do things very very well but in different ways. for the size and output.... submersive is great

I think the first Subermersives were built around 2005-2006 (not sure about that). I doubt that there will be a newer model anytime soon. I'm not sure what, exactly, mark could do differently in the same type of design to make it any better. You have to remember that this is not a mass market type of product, but a specialty "boutique" type of product that was initially designed with a performance first approach. If you are interested in upgrades, Mark would likely steer you towards a different product (i.e., the Terraform or Terraform XL). Mark will correct me if I am wrong.

Hi guys,

Seaton Sound, Inc. as a company has been around since March of 2005. The first pre-production SubMersives went into customers' homes in July of 2006. I started more regular delivery of SubMersives in November of 2006. In February of 2008 I updated the DSP program to offer better behavior near maximum output and to make for more benign behavior if pushed well past those limits.

The production and assembly efficiency, as well as the packaging has continually evolved, and fewer parts are rejected in the QC process through such efforts. I have parts inbound for another 50 SubMersives due in late June, and currently have no plans of significant performance upgrades to the SubMersive.

I am considering some options to be added through this year, such as wood veneer or other premium finishes. Those are still in the works and not yet finalized, but I'll post any progress or updates on this on my forum in the product summary thread. As noted above, I'll be adding other models rather than any major changes to the SubMersive, as most anything I would do would push the price higher. I would rather add new models like the Terraform XL and likely the SubMersive 2, both of which are much larger and more expensive. Combine that with the efforts on the full range designs, and I'm plenty busy. I see no reason to mess much with a design that has made so many happy. :)

Hi guys,

Seaton Sound, Inc. as a company has been around since March of 2005. The first pre-production SubMersives went into customers' homes in July of 2006. I started more regular delivery of SubMersives in November of 2006. In February of 2008 I updated the DSP program to offer better behavior near maximum output and to make for more benign behavior if pushed well past those limits.

The production and assembly efficiency, as well as the packaging has continually evolved, and fewer parts are rejected in the QC process through such efforts. I have parts inbound for another 50 SubMersives due in late June, and currently have no plans of significant performance upgrades to the SubMersive.

I am considering some options to be added through this year, such as wood veneer or other premium finishes. Those are still in the works and not yet finalized, but I'll post any progress or updates on this on my forum in the product summary thread. As noted above, I'll be adding other models rather than any major changes to the SubMersive, as most anything I would do would push the price higher. I would rather add new models like the Terraform XL and likely the SubMersive 2, both of which are much larger and more expensive. Combine that with the efforts on the full range designs, and I'm plenty busy. I see no reason to mess much with a design that has made so many happy. :) Can we expect the new models any time soon? :)

By the way, any updates regarding the shipping charges to Dubai (I sent you an e-mail few days ago)? :)

Hi guys,

Seaton Sound, Inc. as a company has been around since March of 2005. The first pre-production SubMersives went into customers' homes in July of 2006. I started more regular delivery of SubMersives in November of 2006. In February of 2008 I updated the DSP program to offer better behavior near maximum output and to make for more benign behavior if pushed well past those limits.

The production and assembly efficiency, as well as the packaging has continually evolved, and fewer parts are rejected in the QC process through such efforts. I have parts inbound for another 50 SubMersives due in late June, and currently have no plans of significant performance upgrades to the SubMersive.

I am considering some options to be added through this year, such as wood veneer or other premium finishes. Those are still in the works and not yet finalized, but I'll post any progress or updates on this on my forum in the product summary thread. As noted above, I'll be adding other models rather than any major changes to the SubMersive, as most anything I would do would push the price higher. I would rather add new models like the Terraform XL and likely the SubMersive 2, both of which are much larger and more expensive. Combine that with the efforts on the full range designs, and I'm plenty busy. I see no reason to mess much with a design that has made so many happy. :)
So does the 50 subs in June mean that is the current lead time for orders made now?

So does the 50 subs in June mean that is the current lead time for orders made now?

Only after the remaining stock is committed to customers. There are a few left after some orders placed earlier today. I believe you have similar information provided in an e-mail response I sent you earlier today. :) (Please guys, let's keep the sales/lead time questions to e-mail or my own forum as the mods have requested). The next batch will begin to ship in late June.

Only after the remaining stock is committed to customers. There are a few left after some orders placed earlier today. I believe you have similar information provided in an e-mail response I sent you earlier today. :) (Please guys, let's keep the sales/lead time questions to e-mail or my own forum as the mods have requested). The next batch will begin to ship in late June.

Sorry. I checked my email then posted here. You emailed me in between that time. Thanks for the info. Rod

Can we expect the new models any time soon? :)

By the way, any updates regarding the shipping charges to Dubai (I sent you an e-mail few days ago)? :)

Hi Kain,

You should now have an e-mail answering your shipping question. :)

The new models are coming along nicely, with the first 2-4 Terraform XL's already destined for customers homes. I should have more detailed information on this monster within the month. The SubMersive 2 is a bit further out and it is dependent on new parts from some suppliers.

Hi Kain,

You should now have an e-mail answering your shipping question. :)

The new models are coming along nicely, with the first 2-4 Terraform XL's already destined for customers homes. I should have more detailed information on this monster within the month. The SubMersive 2 is a bit further out and it is dependent on new parts from some suppliers. Replied. :)

As a submersive owner (#2)and I am sure I can speak for the rest of us too. There is no need to come out with a new version/upgrade:eek:

Mark has a few other subs that do things very very well but in different ways. for the size and output.... submersive is great

+1 well said Kevin!

Hi Mark,

I kindly await your revised shipping quote. :)

By the way, how long is the warranty for on the SubMersive? Have there been any defective SubMersives that needed warranty work or replacement units?

has anyone here ever heard both the fathom 113 and the submersive ?

when i saw this thread, i was hoping to see some responses but there are none

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1137915

i never heard either but i would think the submersive would outgun the fathom by going both louder and lower

and the fathom has built in EQ to give the 20hz range a bump but then it also has a built in HP which cuts out all the infrasonics below a certain point which is what a sealed sub should have lots of with room loading and proper EQ. this was one of the advantages of going sealed

it's almost like they were trying to make the fathom act like a ported sub

i'm sure the fathom sounds great but i don't like the idea of a HP in a sealed sub and i don't like the idea of EQ being used. i'd rather add my own if needed

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, cigar in one had, favorite beverage in the other, body thoroughly used up, and screaming WOO HOO -What a Ride!"

That's a great quote

Hey guys , I am too lazy to look thru this whole thread but does anyone know if there is a picture of the driver and/or amplifer (inside) used in this subwoofer anywhere in this thread? Are they Eminence or?

has anyone here ever heard both the fathom 113 and the submersive ?

I used to own a Fathom F113 and had the desire for something that dug a little deeper. As you all know in this hobby, it also tends to be the case that we switch out equipment just for heck of it. I sold the F113 for a Hsu ULS-15. While I was able to accomplish my initial goal (I had flat in-room response to 5Hz) I lost much of the effortless midbass that the Fathom provided. The Hsu was also unable to match the JL's clean output at higher volumes. Consequently, the Hsu is now for sale.

I could have probably solved these issues with a second ULS-15 (and addressed any particular room issues as well) but WAF dictated a single sub solution. Enter the SubMersive.

I have been eyeing the SubMersive since its release in 2006 but went with the Fathom at that time because of the abundance of rave reviews. Hindsight is 20/20 and I now wish I had gone with the Seaton product instead.

The SubMersive is far and away the better sub in every respect except for finish and physical size. It hits harder, faster, cleaner, and with more authority than the Fathom or the Hsu. It goes very deep as well (almost flat to 6Hz in my room) and gives up nothing at higher volumes. It has tremendous midbass capabilities and is even harder to localize than the Fathom was (which was no slouch in that department). Some others have mentioned that the SubMersive's true differentiating factor is the uncanny ability to start and stop at a moment's notice. I have never before had the pleasure of such instantenous room pressurization. And the decay is just as dramatic.

Another benefit is the inherently inert box due to the opposing drivers. With both the JL and the Hsu I had to use an Auralex Subdude to limit as much physical energy as possible from being transferred to my wood floor. Without the Subdude, movie watching would result in numerous vibrations from the adjoining dining room and kitchen. However, the addition of the Subdude ruined the aesthetic appeal of the small, sealed subs. The SubMersive has no such issues. No energy is transferred to the floor and therefore its even a more effective solution than the combination of the Subdude and my other subs.

I mentioned finish as an area where the SubMersive falls behind some of the other commercial offerings. There is no denying this. While it might be rugged, it cannot be compared to the satin finishes of the JL and the Hsu. However, the fit and overall quality of components is better than the Hsu and almost on par with the excellent JL. The stepped volume control of the amp, the snug XLR connections, and the Neutrik power connector all indicate this is a very well made and very serious piece of gear.

There are certain scenes that I consider personal benchmarks for subwoofer performance. While some of these are older scenes, I have listened to them with so many different subs, I can compare them effectively. Just for information's sake, I have owned the following: Bose AM-5, Bic H-100, SVS PB12-Plus/2, JL F113, Epik Conquest (in my father's theater), Hsu ULS-15, and now the SubMersive. The rest of the gear is an Outlaw 990 preamp, Earthquake Cinenova Grande 7 amp, Gallo Reference 3.1 fronts, Reference center, and Due surrounds. Room is part of an open layout but is 13' x 19' with very high sloped cathedral ceilings.

I have never heard gunshots from Open Range sound so effortless. In fact, the gunshots and the opening thunder clap made my 6'4" 250lb friend literally leap off of the couch! Additionally, the fight sequence from the Matrix has one scene where Morpheus puts his knee through the floor. This easily demonstrates the speed at which the SubMersive can add to the weight of a scene, it's absolutely amazing. Another scene I like to use is the NYC flood scene in The Day After Tomorrow. My entire room was pressurized with uncanny ease. Other scenes tested were from Master and Commander, Finding Nemo, Star Wars Ep. 2, Black Hawk Down, etc. I have still to find the upper limits of what the SubMersive can do. In fact, I am sure I will find the limits elsewhere in my system, my room, or my townhome neighbor's room before the SubMersive gives up.

I also use the SubMersive for music. I find the integration with my mains so cohesive that I have them crossed at 80Hz. I was always impressed with the JL's ability to disappear during a music track with a fast bass line. The SubMersive is even better. The same friend I mentioned earlier could not even believe the sub was on during one passage until I turned it off and the music lost all of its detailed depth.

I apologize for the long post, I never intended to go on for so long. I am truly in awe of the ability of this sub and my quest has ended (for now of course). If and when I move into a larger space, I will simply augment with another SubMersive.

I also wanted to mention that Mark Seaton is very gracious to communicate with. While he is a busy person and can sometimes take a day or two to respond, his responses were always detailed and thoughtful.

I have no hesitation in recommending the SubMersive to anyone looking for what is, in my opinion, the best commercial subwoofer on the market today.

Here is the frequency response in my room (post EQ with a BFD):

-- removed for now --

I used to own a Fathom F113 and had the desire for something that dug a little deeper. As you all know in this hobby, it also tends to be the case that we switch out equipment just for heck of it. I sold the F113 for a Hsu ULS-15. While I was able to accomplish my initial goal (I had flat in-room response to 5Hz) I lost much of the effortless midbass that the Fathom provided. The Hsu was also unable to match the JL's clean output at higher volumes. Consequently, the Hsu is now for sale.

I could have probably solved these issues with a second ULS-15 (and addressed any particular room issues as well) but WAF dictated a single sub solution. Enter the SubMersive.

I have been eyeing the SubMersive since its release in 2006 but went with the Fathom at that time because of the abundance of rave reviews. Hindsight is 20/20 and I now wish I had gone with the Seaton product instead.

The SubMersive is far and away the better sub in every respect except for finish and physical size. It hits harder, faster, cleaner, and with more authority than the Fathom or the Hsu. It goes very deep as well (almost flat to 6Hz in my room) and gives up nothing at higher volumes. It has tremendous midbass capabilities and is even harder to localize than the Fathom was (which was no slouch in that department). Some others have mentioned that the SubMersive's true differentiating factor is the uncanny ability to start and stop at a moment's notice. I have never before had the pleasure of such instantenous room pressurization. And the decay is just as dramatic.

Another benefit is the inherently inert box due to the opposing drivers. With both the JL and the Hsu I had to use an Auralex Subdude to limit as much physical energy as possible from being transferred to my wood floor. Without the Subdude, movie watching would result in numerous vibrations from the adjoining dining room and kitchen. However, the addition of the Subdude ruined the aesthetic appeal of the small, sealed subs. The SubMersive has no such issues. No energy is transferred to the floor and therefore its even a more effective solution than the combination of the Subdude and my other subs.

I mentioned finish as an area where the SubMersive falls behind some of the other commercial offerings. There is no denying this. While it might be rugged, it cannot be compared to the satin finishes of the JL and the Hsu. However, the fit and overall quality of components is better than the Hsu and almost on par with the excellent JL. The stepped volume control of the amp, the snug XLR connections, and the Neutrik power connector all indicate this is a very well made and very serious piece of gear.

There are certain scenes that I consider personal benchmarks for subwoofer performance. While some of these are older scenes, I have listened to them with so many different subs, I can compare them effectively. Just for information's sake, I have owned the following: Bose AM-5, Bic H-100, SVS PB12-Plus/2, JL F113, Epik Conquest (in my father's theater), Hsu ULS-15, and now the SubMersive. The rest of the gear is an Outlaw 990 preamp, Earthquake Cinenova Grande 7 amp, Gallo Reference 3.1 fronts, Reference center, and Due surrounds. Room is part of an open layout but is 13' x 19' with very high sloped cathedral ceilings.

I have never heard gunshots from Open Range sound so effortless. In fact, the gunshots and the opening thunder clap made my 6'4" 250lb friend literally leap off of the couch! Additionally, the fight sequence from the Matrix has one scene where Morpheus puts his knee through the floor. This easily demonstrates the speed at which the SubMersive can add to the weight of a scene, it's absolutely amazing. Another scene I like to use is the NYC flood scene in The Day After Tomorrow. My entire room was pressurized with uncanny ease. Other scenes tested were from Master and Commander, Finding Nemo, Star Wars Ep. 2, Black Hawk Down, etc. I have still to find the upper limits of what the SubMersive can do. In fact, I am sure I will find the limits elsewhere in my system, my room, or my townhome neighbor's room before the SubMersive gives up.

I also use the SubMersive for music. I find the integration with my mains so cohesive that I have them crossed at 80Hz. I was always impressed with the JL's ability to disappear during a music track with a fast bass line. The SubMersive is even better. The same friend I mentioned earlier could not even believe the sub was on during one passage until I turned it off and the music lost all of its detailed depth.

I apologize for the long post, I never intended to go on for so long. I am truly in awe of the ability of this sub and my quest has ended (for now of course). If and when I move into a larger space, I will simply augment with another SubMersive.

I also wanted to mention that Mark Seaton is very gracious to communicate with. While he is a busy person and can sometimes take a day or two to respond, his responses were always detailed and thoughtful.

I have no hesitation in recommending the SubMersive to anyone looking for what is, in my opinion, the best commercial subwoofer on the market today.

Here is the frequency response in my room (post EQ with a BFD):

http://www.benzandbeamer.com/~vishal/images/submersive_response.jpg

Thanks for the detailed report! This does nothing but solidify my feelings on my sub purchase. Now the issue is coming up with the money. I will own one of these beasts. The ability to start and stop in an instant is of particular interest to me. This sub seems to have the total package.

Amazing writeup, Vishal. Very detailed and great comparisons. You're making me want a Submersive now! Must...stop...upgrading...sometime!!

As a submersive owner (#2)and I am sure I can speak for the rest of us too. There is no need to come out with a new version/upgrade:eek:


anecdote.

http://www.law.yale.edu/news/2727.htm

nice review vishal!

Very nice write up indeed vishal. I too was very impressed with Open Range. I would have to echo your thoughts on its SQ as well. BTW I also used a SubDude with my old sub(JM Labs SW900). But with the SubMersive it was no longer needed. 13x19 with a cathedral ceiling. So we are talking maybe close to 4000cf. Nice size room. All the other movies you mention put a smile on my face as well. But let me add one more. Cloverfield. Thanks again for the write up.

And how hard or difficult is it to set up and calibrate a system? I have JTR Triple 12LF's for LCR and B&W 603 for rears with a paradigm sub. XPA-5 amp and soon the UMC Emotiva processor. Anyway, in all of my previous systems I can fairly easily tell the separation from mains to sub and can very easily hear the placement of the sub....as in the sub is in the front right corner, etc. I have no problems upgrading but I am so use to the plug and play setups of years ago all of this integration and crossover stuff leaves me confused. Last thing I need to do is spend more $$ and not get the most out of my system. All the reviews of the SubMersive makes it tempting to plan an upgrade in the future.

--JK

Basically it is no more difficult compared to any other sub. If you were able to integrate your last sub, the submersive really should not be that much of an issue to do either. This is just my opinion so take it for what it's worth but I think a lot of people get intimidated by this sub. They read that it is powerful and strong and that it can reach into the single digits and the get a little worried about setting it up. I would probably guess that a good portion of the people who get this sub do not have Mark set it up for them. Plus, I believe that with each purchase mark will include the 5.1 Audio Tool Kit DVD. That should really help out as well. With your JTR speakers that should make for quite the system. Also, don't forget that you can always ask the man himself. If you go on his forum, I am sure he would very willing to answer any questions you may have.

Nice review, vishal!

By the way, how long is the warranty for on the SubMersive? Have there been any defective SubMersives that needed warranty work or replacement units? :confused:

Kain, you should try posting on Marks forum.

Per Mark's post on his website.

Warranty is 3 years from time of receipt of the subwoofer. The Warranty covers any defects in materials and workmanship, excluding obvious misuse or accidental damage.

:confused:

I dont think mark has ever had to do any warranty work to date. I know he tests everything before he ships them so that eliminates and DOA problems unless the shipper kills it.

but posting the question over on his forum or an email to him and you will get your answer.

That was a great review Vishal. You've got a lot of people drooling on their keyboards after reading it;)

People state that the SubMersive has a better amplifier than the PB13-Ultra. However, the SubMersive as a 1,000 watt amplifier and since it has two drivers I assume each is getting 500 watts. On the other hand, the PB13-Ultra has a 750 watt amplifier and only one driver. Doesn't this make the PB13-Ultra more powerful and "better" amplification wise?

Oh boy my finger that hit the enter key is shaking at about 15 HZ.. I just bought a Seaton sub.

Kain, I really think you will find all of the answers you seek over on Marks forum. Many of your questions will be answered by Mark himself. I know he doesn't like anything to be posted over here that seems like blatant marketing.

Roddey, congrats!!! Now spend the next few weeks (while you wait) re-securing everything in your room.

I used to own a Fathom F113 and had the desire for something that dug a little deeper. As you all know in this hobby, it also tends to be the case that we switch out equipment just for heck of it. I sold the F113 for a Hsu ULS-15. While I was able to accomplish my initial goal (I had flat in-room response to 5Hz) I lost much of the effortless midbass that the Fathom provided. The Hsu was also unable to match the JL's clean output at higher volumes. Consequently, the Hsu is now for sale.

I could have probably solved these issues with a second ULS-15 (and addressed any particular room issues as well) but WAF dictated a single sub solution. Enter the SubMersive.

I have been eyeing the SubMersive since its release in 2006 but went with the Fathom at that time because of the abundance of rave reviews. Hindsight is 20/20 and I now wish I had gone with the Seaton product instead.

The SubMersive is far and away the better sub in every respect except for finish and physical size. It hits harder, faster, cleaner, and with more authority than the Fathom or the Hsu. It goes very deep as well (almost flat to 6Hz in my room) and gives up nothing at higher volumes. It has tremendous midbass capabilities and is even harder to localize than the Fathom was (which was no slouch in that department). Some others have mentioned that the SubMersive's true differentiating factor is the uncanny ability to start and stop at a moment's notice. I have never before had the pleasure of such instantenous room pressurization. And the decay is just as dramatic.

Another benefit is the inherently inert box due to the opposing drivers. With both the JL and the Hsu I had to use an Auralex Subdude to limit as much physical energy as possible from being transferred to my wood floor. Without the Subdude, movie watching would result in numerous vibrations from the adjoining dining room and kitchen. However, the addition of the Subdude ruined the aesthetic appeal of the small, sealed subs. The SubMersive has no such issues. No energy is transferred to the floor and therefore its even a more effective solution than the combination of the Subdude and my other subs.

I mentioned finish as an area where the SubMersive falls behind some of the other commercial offerings. There is no denying this. While it might be rugged, it cannot be compared to the satin finishes of the JL and the Hsu. However, the fit and overall quality of components is better than the Hsu and almost on par with the excellent JL. The stepped volume control of the amp, the snug XLR connections, and the Neutrik power connector all indicate this is a very well made and very serious piece of gear.

There are certain scenes that I consider personal benchmarks for subwoofer performance. While some of these are older scenes, I have listened to them with so many different subs, I can compare them effectively. Just for information's sake, I have owned the following: Bose AM-5, Bic H-100, SVS PB12-Plus/2, JL F113, Epik Conquest (in my father's theater), Hsu ULS-15, and now the SubMersive. The rest of the gear is an Outlaw 990 preamp, Earthquake Cinenova Grande 7 amp, Gallo Reference 3.1 fronts, Reference center, and Due surrounds. Room is part of an open layout but is 13' x 19' with very high sloped cathedral ceilings.

I have never heard gunshots from Open Range sound so effortless. In fact, the gunshots and the opening thunder clap made my 6'4" 250lb friend literally leap off of the couch! Additionally, the fight sequence from the Matrix has one scene where Morpheus puts his knee through the floor. This easily demonstrates the speed at which the SubMersive can add to the weight of a scene, it's absolutely amazing. Another scene I like to use is the NYC flood scene in The Day After Tomorrow. My entire room was pressurized with uncanny ease. Other scenes tested were from Master and Commander, Finding Nemo, Star Wars Ep. 2, Black Hawk Down, etc. I have still to find the upper limits of what the SubMersive can do. In fact, I am sure I will find the limits elsewhere in my system, my room, or my townhome neighbor's room before the SubMersive gives up.

I also use the SubMersive for music. I find the integration with my mains so cohesive that I have them crossed at 80Hz. I was always impressed with the JL's ability to disappear during a music track with a fast bass line. The SubMersive is even better. The same friend I mentioned earlier could not even believe the sub was on during one passage until I turned it off and the music lost all of its detailed depth.

I apologize for the long post, I never intended to go on for so long. I am truly in awe of the ability of this sub and my quest has ended (for now of course). If and when I move into a larger space, I will simply augment with another SubMersive.

I also wanted to mention that Mark Seaton is very gracious to communicate with. While he is a busy person and can sometimes take a day or two to respond, his responses were always detailed and thoughtful.

I have no hesitation in recommending the SubMersive to anyone looking for what is, in my opinion, the best commercial subwoofer on the market today.

Here is the frequency response in my room (post EQ with a BFD):

http://www.benzandbeamer.com/images/submersive_response.jpg

thanks for the write-up vishal, that's great :cool:

Kain, I really think you will find all of the answers you seek over on Marks forum. Many of your questions will be answered by Mark himself. I know he doesn't like anything to be posted over here that seems like blatant marketing.

Roddey, congrats!!! Now spend the next few weeks (while you wait) re-securing everything in your room.
Will my dogs be scared?

Is anyone using a SubMersive with an Audyssey-equipped AVR / AVP? If so, were there any setup anomalies?

Thanks.

Mark

nothing unique to the submersive... same issues as with my HSU, MFW, and EPIK Subwoofers....

I love what audessy does for imaging. I dont not like what it does for bass.... There is a nasty issue in 2 of my rooms where it attentuates the bass where it does not need too. My manual EQ'ing with REW and a DCX2496 provides a flatter curve measured at the same positions I measure audessy and DOES NOT reduce the impact so its not the humpy bass being fixed thats causing this perception.

Therefore my trick is to run Audessy with the Suboff. Then turn on the sub and DCX. Chris says this wont work but my ears tell me the audessy is still doing its thing.

I posted some graphs of this pecularity on the audessy thread a long time ago. In the case the two units that have this issue are 805's in 2 different rooms with 4 different subs...

Sean

Will my dogs be scared?

Well... while the floor joists are flexing and things are crashing down off of your shelves, I would say yes :D

Holy Bajeesus!!!

Ok, so I finally picked up my sub from Fedex today and set it up. Well, set it up isnt really appropriate as all I did was remove my Reference and put the Submersive in its place.

First off, this thing is the size of a mini-fridge as my friend who was helping me today described it. However, it didnt really feel like 132lbs. That being said, its definitely an imposing piece in my theater room. After getting over the shear mass of this thing, I moved on.

First test I did was WOTW. Scene where the pod emerges. Its one of my constant reference scenes that I know through all my configurations. The bass that came out of this Submersive made my whole house flex. When I use the term "flex" I mean I litterally felt the floor and the walls move within the space. I liken it to the scenes in the Matrix where Neo is in the hallway with the agents and Neo explodes agent smith out of him and the whole hallway flexes. Yeah, Im talking like that. When the pod came out and put his foot down for the first time, the Submersive hit SO hard that I literally jumped off my couch it scared me. Again, Ive seen this scene probably around 25 times and knew exactly what was going to happen. I felt scared.

Then I went ahead and tried the Darla Tap scene in Nemo. Damn if I wasnt feeling like Darla was punching my gut, and my couch, and my roof... This thing is insane.

After I put that disk away, I heard knocking at my front door. This is at 2:30 in the afternoon mind you. It was my neighbor(I live in a townhouse). Not the neighbor on the side of house with my home theater, but the one on the other side not even close to it. She asked me if I knew why the clocks on her walls were shaking. Oops. I invited her in to see my theater and what I was working on. She was very impressed but also satisfied when I told her I was still working on setting it up and that I would hopefully have it where they wouldnt feel/hear the sub.(Yeah right, this is going to be impossible).

As excited I was to test out my demo materials, I felt I needed something else. So based on all the threads Ive read, I went out and picked up Open Range.

Damn if that gunfight scene isnt fantastic. This sub hit tight and quick. My friend who was with me helping me set it up remarked that the sub never gave any more information than it was supposed to. It just gave you the gunshot and that was it. Never trailed off or left any additional bass lingering out there. Boom, that was it.

This sub demolishes the Reference that it replaces. It does everything I wanted it to do that the Reference couldn't. There is nothing that can compete with a truly exceptional sealed sub and this one is it. The "muddiness" that was disturbing to me on the Reference is nonexistent on the Submersive. The sub is placed right next to my couch and my friend was sitting on that side and actually placed his arm over it while we were watching. He said you cant even tell its working, nothing is transmitted to the cabinet. Remarkable craftsmanship!

My only complaint is with myself in that I will only be able to tap 2/10ths the potential of this sub until I move out into a house without neighbors. I feel like I finally have a Ferrari but am only allowed to drive it around the development. If anyone is on the fence about this or even debating on spending this amount on a sub(or more, why would you) just do it. This will be the LAST sub you will ever have to buy.

Holy Bajeesus!!!

Ok, so I finally picked up my sub from Fedex today and set it up. Well, set it up isnt really appropriate as all I did was remove my Reference and put the Submersive in its place.

First off, this thing is the size of a mini-fridge as my friend who was helping me today described it. However, it didnt really feel like 132lbs. That being said, its definitely an imposing piece in my theater room. After getting over the shear mass of this thing, I moved on.

First test I did was WOTW. Scene where the pod emerges. Its one of my constant reference scenes that I know through all my configurations. The bass that came out of this Submersive made my whole house flex. When I use the term "flex" I mean I litterally felt the floor and the walls move within the space. I liken it to the scenes in the Matrix where Neo is in the hallway with the agents and Neo explodes agent smith out of him and the whole hallway flexes. Yeah, Im talking like that. When the pod came out and put his foot down for the first time, the Submersive hit SO hard that I literally jumped off my couch it scared me. Again, Ive seen this scene probably around 25 times and knew exactly what was going to happen. I felt scared.

Then I went ahead and tried the Darla Tap scene in Nemo. Damn if I wasnt feeling like Darla was punching my gut, and my couch, and my roof... This thing is insane.

After I put that disk away, I heard knocking at my front door. This is at 2:30 in the afternoon mind you. It was my neighbor(I live in a townhouse). Not the neighbor on the side of house with my home theater, but the one on the other side not even close to it. She asked me if I knew why the clocks on her walls were shaking. Oops. I invited her in to see my theater and what I was working on. She was very impressed but also satisfied when I told her I was still working on setting it up and that I would hopefully have it where they wouldnt feel/hear the sub.(Yeah right, this is going to be impossible).

As excited I was to test out my demo materials, I felt I needed something else. So based on all the threads Ive read, I went out and picked up Open Range.

Damn if that gunfight scene isnt fantastic. This sub hit tight and quick. My friend who was with me helping me set it up remarked that the sub never gave any more information than it was supposed to. It just gave you the gunshot and that was it. Never trailed off or left any additional bass lingering out there. Boom, that was it.

This sub demolishes the Reference that it replaces. It does everything I wanted it to do that the Reference couldn't. There is nothing that can compete with a truly exceptional sealed sub and this one is it. The "muddiness" that was disturbing to me on the Reference is nonexistent on the Submersive. The sub is placed right next to my couch and my friend was sitting on that side and actually placed his arm over it while we were watching. He said you cant even tell its working, nothing is transmitted to the cabinet. Remarkable craftsmanship!

My only complaint is with myself in that I will only be able to tap 2/10ths the potential of this sub until I move out into a house without neighbors. I feel like I finally have a Ferrari but am only allowed to drive it around the development. If anyone is on the fence about this or even debating on spending this amount on a sub(or more, why would you) just do it. This will be the LAST sub you will ever have to buy. Damn sweet! :D

By the way, HyperM3, have you had a chance to hear the PC13/PB13-Ultra? If so, what were your impressions compared to the SubMersive?

By the way, HyperM3, have you had a chance to hear the PC13/PB13-Ultra? If so, what were your impressions compared to the SubMersive?

The only thing Ive had a chance to compare it to was my Reference and a Trinity. It trounced my Reference and my friend and I agreed that it blew the trinity away too.

In regards to the PB13...if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and floats like a duck, it must be a duck. You cant put a bill on a chicken and call it a duck. A sealed sub is a sealed sub. End of story.

I need to know the price so can start saving. where I can get one

Check here for pricing and availability: http://seatonsound.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3364736

Hi Mark,

I kindly await your revised shipping quote. :) Okay, I am dying of anticipation over here. :D

I know you are a busy man but don't make me wait too long! ;)

*Trying to be as patient as I can*

:p

Anyone here have a SubMersive in the San Diego area that wouldn't mind giving me a demo?

I have one in the Detroit area and am always game for a demo( if you can handle it):eek:

nothing unique to the submersive... same issues as with my HSU, MFW, and EPIK Subwoofers....

I love what audessy does for imaging. I dont not like what it does for bass.... There is a nasty issue in 2 of my rooms where it attentuates the bass where it does not need too. My manual EQ'ing with REW and a DCX2496 provides a flatter curve measured at the same positions I measure audessy and DOES NOT reduce the impact so its not the humpy bass being fixed thats causing this perception.

Therefore my trick is to run Audessy with the Suboff. Then turn on the sub and DCX. Chris says this wont work but my ears tell me the audessy is still doing its thing.

I posted some graphs of this pecularity on the audessy thread a long time ago. In the case the two units that have this issue are 805's in 2 different rooms with 4 different subs...

Sean

Since you mentioned that you were in the Audyssey thread a long time ago, perhaps you have never tried out the the Audyssey Setup Guide linked in my signature? It has helped some folks complaining of the bass issues with Audyssey.

Mark

I have one in the Detroit area and am always game for a demo( if you can handle it):eek:

I have four in Batlte Creek Michigan. Always happy to give demos on weekends with notice.

I just completed the shoring up of the ceiling in the projection room. The structural movement has been a problem for my projector thus far. Ready to mount my HT 5000 now.

Art

I have four in Batlte Creek Michigan.

you must be in low frequency heaven :)

I have four in Batlte Creek Michigan. Always happy to give demos on weekends with notice.

I just completed the shoring up of the ceiling in the projection room. The structural movement has been a problem for my projector thus far. Ready to mount my HT 5000 now.

Art

art, i've been reading your posts for years now, and your home theater gives me (and probably a lot of others) something to aspire to... and your willingness to share it with others is admirable... i'd love to see it in person... according to mapquest, it's only a good day's drive away... a road trip might definitely be in order...

on another note...

i've been kicking around the idea of selling my paradigm (servo15 v2) and moving to a submersive, but i'm having a hard time finding anyone who made that switch and can give an opinion on it...

art, i've been reading your posts for years now, and your home theater gives me (and probably a lot of others) something to aspire to... and your willingness to share it with others is admirable... i'd love to see it in person... according to mapquest, it's only a good day's drive away... a road trip might definitely be in order...

on another note...

i've been kicking around the idea of selling my paradigm (servo15 v2) and moving to a submersive, but i'm having a hard time finding anyone who made that switch and can give an opinion on it...

Since youre local(as in same state), you can always come by and demo mine. On another note, since you're in the same state, Im always up for company on a days drive to Arts...

Since youre local(as in same state), you can always come by and demo mine. On another note, since you're in the same state, Im always up for company on a days drive to Arts...

i DO like this forum... :) the willingness of people to share their "toys" is a great thing...

on the offer, i will drop you a pm sometime next week and see what we can set up that would be convenient for you... i greatly appreciate it... i'm in collingswood, so you aren't very far away at all...

on the "other note"... if i'm reading into your user name what i think i am, we can make it in a day, easy... :D

thanks again...

on the "other note"... If i'm reading into your user name what i think i am, we can make it in a day, easy... :d lol. :D

vishal and HyperM3, I have to agree with you guys regarding the Submersive's performance on the Open Range gunfight - I played the DTS track recently at MV -8 and no sub I've owned has reproduced it so authentically, hitting extremely loud and incredibly clean and tight, no overhang or thickness at all, with seemingly limitless dynamics. I am curious to see where the upper limit is on that scene but I'm quite sure I'll damage my Rocket speakers before the Submersive gives out :eek:.

Cheers,
Ross

vishal and HyperM3, I have to agree with you guys regarding the Submersive's performance on the Open Range gunfight - I played the DTS track recently at MV -8 and no sub I've owned has reproduced it so authentically, hitting extremely loud and incredibly clean and tight, no overhang or thickness at all, with seemingly limitless dynamics. I am curious to see where the upper limit is on that scene but I'm quite sure I'll damage my Rocket speakers before the Submersive gives out :eek:.

Cheers,
Ross

that's pretty impressive, you've been through almost every sub out there, some in pairs :)

I still can't get over you guys and the levels you listen to:D. I mean granted, my room is small and untreated but anything over -15 or -14 and I would have an ear ache for three days.

I still can't get over you guys and the levels you listen to:D. I mean granted, my room is small and untreated but anything over -15 or -14 and I would have an ear ache for three days.

going loud is one thing but i think it's more about going lower and cleaner

that's the glory of going sealed. if you want to go lower, just keep adding subs and a little EQ

with ported subs, you can add more but all you'll get is more volume

and also, no matter what type of sub, adding more subs can let you push them as loud as you want with less distortion and compression because the combined drivers don't have to do as much work

you must be in low frequency heaven :)

It certainly is alot of fun. I've needed to use my Doldy Lake to notch out a few frequencies in order to stop the projector from being shaken apart. I hope this last piece of the puzzel will be rectified soon.

I have no plans for a meet right now since they are usually centered around upgrades and I don't have too many I want right now.

Things like a row of DBox seats could be one.My experience with that has been mixed though.



Art

going loud is one thing but i think it's more about going lower and cleaner

that's the glory of going sealed. if you want to go lower, just keep adding subs and a little EQ

with ported subs, you can add more but all you'll get is more volume

and also, no matter what type of sub, adding more subs can let you push them as loud as you want with less distortion and compression because the combined drivers don't have to do as much work
Seeing what this sub can do in other rooms I know that I am no where near the limits or compression. It does sound pretty clean. No need to add more for me. But I do understand what you are saying. My last sub was a ported sub and I could hear it go into distress and distortion on a few movie scenes.

Hey guys , I am too lazy to look thru this whole thread but does anyone know if there is a picture of the driver and/or amplifer (inside) used in this subwoofer anywhere in this thread? Are they Eminence or?

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Seeing what this sub can do in other rooms I know that I am no where near the limits or compression. It does sound pretty clean. No need to add more for me. But I do understand what you are saying. My last sub was a ported sub and I could hear it go into distress and distortion on a few movie scenes.

Mike how big is your room? What subs have you had in there prior?

Mike how big is your room? What subs have you had in there prior? If I recall correctly, he has a 1,000 cubic feet room.

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The driver is sourced from Eminence. The amp is an Ice Technology amp with DSP capability. The DSP allows for matching the amp to the driver and enclosure to a predictable response curve and to also ensure the amp never sends the driver into a bottoming or otherwise "bad" situation.

The amp in Submersive is a much more sophisticated and expensive amp than you will find in any subwoofer I can think of for anywhere near its price range.

I have four in Batlte Creek Michigan. Always happy to give demos on weekends with notice.

Art

Hey Art! If your offer for demos goes out to Hoosiers, I would like to visit your HT kingdom. Your not that far from me when I'm staying up at the lake. Lake James chain in Angola, IN.

Blake

Mike how big is your room? What subs have you had in there prior?

My room is tiny compared to most here. It is 1000cf. Full dimensions are about 12.5ft long 9.5ft wide and an 8ft ceiling. I have only ever had three subs. My first was a Definitive Technology powerfield 15. It had a 15in woofer with 250 watts. As this was my first sub I was thrilled with it's performance. Then I later traded up to a JM Labs SW900. That was a ported sub with a 13.18in driver and a 400 watt amp. This was a major upgrade in output and SQ. But, I was able to drive this one into distress on a few movie scenes. Then when I went fully of the deep end :p I got the SubMersive1. I know it's dangerous to be subjective here but it is miles ahead of the other two that I had. But as I have said before, I have spent tons of hours listening to other high quality subs. I just wish my room were a little bit bigger:(.

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pics of the submersive's drivers are forbidden :)

My room is tiny compared to most here. It is 1000cf. Full dimensions are about 12.5ft long 9.5ft wide and an 8ft ceiling. I have only ever had three subs. My first was a Definitive Technology powerfield 15. It had a 15in woofer with 250 watts. As this was my first sub I was thrilled with it's performance. Then I later traded up to a JM Labs SW900. That was a ported sub with a 13.18in driver and a 400 watt amp. This was a major upgrade in output and SQ. But, I was able to drive this one into distress on a few movie scenes. Then when I went fully of the deep end :p I got the SubMersive1. I know it's dangerous to be subjective here but it is miles ahead of the other two that I had. But as I have said before, I have spent tons of hours listening to other high quality subs. I just wish my room were a little bit bigger:(.

I had the PF15 also. I know have Dual HSU ULS15's. I'd like to hear a Submersive though.

I still can't get over you guys and the levels you listen to:D. I mean granted, my room is small and untreated but anything over -15 or -14 and I would have an ear ache for three days.

There is a difference between the modes when listening to Bluray or standard DVD. Also comes into play are THX or Dolby modes. Try all the modes and combinations of them with the same disk and you will see that you can imrpove the audio and sub bass output to your liking. The ear ache will probably not happen when listening in the -14 and under ranges.

Bill

There is a difference between the modes when listening to Bluray or standard DVD. Also comes into play are THX or Dolby modes. Try all the modes and combinations of them with the same disk and you will see that you can imrpove the audio and sub bass output to your liking. The ear ache will probably not happen when listening in the -14 and under ranges.

Bill

I have standard DVD not Bluray so that may have something to do with it. I don't listen in THX mode and I mainly listen in DTS when available. I will play around to see what happens.

Hi all,
I have been asking about a av reciever in other topic areas. But maybe I should ask here instead? Which avr's that are about $1500 + or - from Pioneer, Denon, Onkyo would be a good match for this sub. I have old Klipsch La Scala( 70's stuff but altered a lot)bass bins and Altec horns and drivers for speakers. I like horns. Thanks for any input.
I drool over Arts setup. Maybe a lottery win for that.

roddey, basically all modern receivers and certainly those in that price range have excellent bass management. Any of them should work well with just about any sub. I'd choose based on the variation of features among the brands. I personally like Denon because their amps meet specs and they feature Audyssey eq.

roddey, basically all modern receivers and certainly those in that price range have excellent bass management. Any of them should work well with just about any sub. I'd choose based on the variation of features among the brands. I personally like Denon because their amps meet specs and they feature Audyssey eq.
Thanks. I have now a 15 year old Yamaha and a 8-9 year old Denon. So I imagine things have improved quite a bit since then. But it powered what I had fine so upgrades in equipment would of been a waste.
Pioneer has mcc? compared to Audyssey. Are they both about the same? Also by spec with the Denon are you refering to the ICE amplifiers in the Pioneers compared to the AB? amps in the Dennon? Thanks Rod

Generally, Audyssey is considered to be more advanced than the competing auto-eq systems.

I like to read test reports in different publication pertaining to how well receivers meet their advertised power output, especially when multiple channels are being tested. Denon seems to do the best among it's similar-priced competitors.

Generally, Audyssey is considered to be more advanced than the competing auto-eq systems.

I like to read test reports in different publication pertaining to how well receivers meet their advertised power output, especially when multiple channels are being tested. Denon seems to do the best among it's similar-priced competitors.
Thanks!
Hey guys dont do what I just did. My wife had been supportive generally"You know, the ""this is why you worked so long, go ahead. Your retired now"".:cool:
But I read her some of the post about this sub. BIG MISTAKE!! The WAF kicked in. I think that is what WAF means. DO NOT DO THIS!!!!!!! She said she did not want to hear about it anymore.

Hi all,
I have been asking about a av reciever in other topic areas. But maybe I should ask here instead? Which avr's that are about $1500 + or - from Pioneer, Denon, Onkyo would be a good match for this sub. I have old Klipsch La Scala( 70's stuff but altered a lot)bass bins and Altec horns and drivers for speakers. I like horns. Thanks for any input.
I drool over Arts setup. Maybe a lottery win for that.

Within your budget, connections, features ext. aren't going to be a problem. Probably the biggest different between them are the room correction and auto setup implementation. Audyssey is more popular and easier to get information on. I'd suggest reading up on each and then narrow it down. If you do decide on Audyssey, Onkyo and Denon are your best choices imo.

Hi all,
I have been asking about a av reciever in other topic areas. But maybe I should ask here instead? Which avr's that are about $1500 + or - from Pioneer, Denon, Onkyo would be a good match for this sub. I have old Klipsch La Scala( 70's stuff but altered a lot)bass bins and Altec horns and drivers for speakers. I like horns. Thanks for any input.
I drool over Arts setup. Maybe a lottery win for that.

Given that you have large horn speakers, you could probably get by nicely with the Denon 2809CI. Large horns are usually don't require huge amounts of power.

IMHO, the 3808CI is a worthwhile jump for those who are financially prepared to make use of the Audyssey MultiEQ Pro Calibration potential. If you have dual displays, you might want to jump to the 4808.

Hi Mark,

I replied to your latest e-mail. Looking forward to a prompt response. :)

The new lineup of Pioneer Elites with their class "D" ice amps with MCACC. Some folks prefer the Pioneer MCACC setup over Audyssey as they found Audyssey to be too intrusive in the setup of their systems. However, it is best to look up any info on the reciever forums on how Audyssey or MCACC performs for them. There are also forums for Audyssey and MCACC that will help you with your decision.

Bill

Given that you have large horn speakers, you could probably get by nicely with the Denon 2809CI. Large horns are usually don't require huge amounts of power.

IMHO, the 3808CI is a worthwhile jump for those who are financially prepared to make use of the Audyssey MultiEQ Pro Calibration potential. If you have dual displays, you might want to jump to the 4808.

Thanks. I went ahead and made a decision. I purchased the Emotiva UPA-7 125 watt 7 channel amp. Its plenty of watts for the Klipsch and altecs.
Now I need to find a avr that has the basic funcuality I need for the new audio formats and has bass management and room eq. I will learn how to set up my room manually but not at first. Now the amp section doesnt matter. Any ideas?
Also I am running 2 displays but not both at once. I have a switcher for that. And monoprices HDMI splitter. The reviews said it was a splitter that actually worked.

Thanks. I went ahead and made a decision. I purchased the Emotiva UPA-7 125 watt 7 channel amp. Its plenty of watts for the Klipsch and altecs.
Now I need to find a avr that has the basic funcuality I need for the new audio formats and has bass management and room eq. I will learn how to set up my room manually but not at first. Now the amp section doesnt matter. Any ideas?
Also I am running 2 displays but not both at once. I have a switcher for that. And monoprices HDMI splitter. The reviews said it was a splitter that actually worked.
I think I came close to breaking forum rules. I read a sticky about it so I am deleting this post. MSRP only.

With the grill on, does the woofer hit the grill during high excursion moments? According to the pictures, it seems the grill is very close to the woofer.

With the grill on, does the woofer hit the grill during high excursion moments? According to the pictures, it seems the grill is very close to the woofer.

Sorry but I cant help you with that one, have never gotten the grill for mine:rolleyes:

its an on going joke between me and mark, since I got one of the first 2 prototype subs, and the dimensions changed slightly(overall internal vol stayed the same) he cant seem to find the grills that go with my sub.... not that I really care but every time I see him I give him a hard time:eek:

although, I am sure mark did do a fine job designing the grill not to hit the driver under full excursion.( or I would hope he did):p

The driver is sourced from Eminence. The amp is an Ice Technology amp with DSP capability. The DSP allows for matching the amp to the driver and enclosure to a predictable response curve and to also ensure the amp never sends the driver into a bottoming or otherwise "bad" situation.

The amp in Submersive is a much more sophisticated and expensive amp than you will find in any subwoofer I can think of for anywhere near its price range.


Thanks Craig, are you going to get the SubMersive on you review thread on your forum ?
If so when, cause I look forward to seeing how it compares to the others you have reviewed.

The review thread at Craig's forum......
http://www.tweakcityaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11

Thanks,
Wanna be SubMersive owner, James W. Johnson :D

that's pretty impressive, you've been through almost every sub out there, some in pairs :)

:o And I have to admit, if funds and WAF had allowed there are a few more subs I would have been curious to try in my home such as the monster ED and a couple of Danley models, and even an IB array. But the Submersive has satisfied my lust cravings so it's all good :).

Cheers,
Ross

I still can't get over you guys and the levels you listen to:D. I mean granted, my room is small and untreated but anything over -15 or -14 and I would have an ear ache for three days.

Mike, do the higher volumes hurt your ears because of midrange and/or treble harshness? I would expect that to be the case in a small untreated room.

How much bass is enough for a Basshead , way , way too much or a touch more is about perfect.

BassHead (n.) 1)A person who has a SERIOUS addiction to excessive levels of music in the 20-100hz range while seated in there ride.
2) One who prefers the attention and pleasure of 130+dB bass inside there ride over the benift of still having working ears beyond the age of 35. :p


Though I must be related to Superman because I am 38 and my ears still work. :p

How much bass is enough for a Basshead , way , way too much or a touch more is about perfect.

BassHead (n.) 1)A person who has a SERIOUS addiction to excessive levels of music in the 20-100hz range while seated in there ride.
2) One who prefers the attention and pleasure of 130+dB bass inside there ride over the benift of still having working ears beyond the age of 35. :p


Though I must be related to Superman because I am 38 and my ears still work. :p

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/8072/dscf1115kr1.jpg

^^^ That is a decent start , that is what? 20-25% done? Have fun

Mike, do the higher volumes hurt your ears because of midrange and/or treble harshness? I would expect that to be the case in a small untreated room.

My room does not seem that harsh. In all honesty, at sane levels it sounds pretty good IMHO. Other people concur. It is when I watched WOTW at crazy levels. Yea it was great but for a little bit after that my ears were hurting. For ex I can listen to music in 2ch mode very loud without it effecting my ears. Even Mark said that he was somewhat impressed with the SQ I have in such a small untreated room. I do plan on getting room treatments, although not the "traditional" kind. When I get my turntable my dealer will bring them over so we can experiment. But I have read that a treated room allows you to turn up the level with out causing pain:D.

MikeDude,

Do you have any problems with the driver of the SubMersive hitting the grill? It seems there is very little space between the driver and the grill.

MikeDude,

Do you have any problems with the driver of the SubMersive hitting the grill? It seems there is very little space between the driver and the grill.

Mike Duke = Mike Dude

Just kidding. What pictures have you seen with the grill showing very little space between the driver and the grill?

You can reply with the name of the thread and the post number within that thread.

I think you are only 5-10 questions away from ordering a Submersive. :D

At this point I think there are over 100 Submersives in the field. I haven't seen anyone complain about insufficent clearance (of the grill).

MikeDude,

Do you have any problems with the driver of the SubMersive hitting the grill? It seems there is very little space between the driver and the grill.

DUDE, It's like awesome Bro. There is like.... Plenty of space for the driver to
it's thing. Just kidding :). No there is no issue with the driver hitting the cover. You can place your hand on the cover and you can sort of feel the driver go back and forth but that's it.
Here is a side view of the sub
http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/post?id=1940876
There is enough space for the driver to move freely.

MikeDude,

Do you have any problems with the driver of the SubMersive hitting the grill? It seems there is very little space between the driver and the grill.

With the drivers recessed as they are there isn't a need for a thicker grill. I have some thicker ones made with no benefit found, and IMO the thinner grills look better.

There was an earlier question about warranty repair. Thus far there have been no warranty repairs other than shipping issues early on prior to the later evolutions in the packing materials. In two cases a corner was slightly impacted (packing adjusted after this), and in 2 cases the connector on the amplifier was dislodged and very easily fixed by the customers (QC & packing adjusted accordingly).

BTW, I never really take the grills off. Not that it's a pain but I like the look of it with the grills on.

I understand there are dual opposed divers. So they fire out of the small sides on each end? This is meant to have the long side against the wall?

I understand the controls are also very simple, gain only. Am I correct.

Is there an auto on?

The sub has a DSP Digital signal processor I have read. Can I interpret that to mean that there is some EQ built into the DSP.

Sorry for the inane questions but I find the product intriguing.

Bill - As with all powered subwoofers, the Submersive will have EQ operating in its amplifier. If you go to the DIY section, you will find an eq is required on those projects as well, with the possible exception for extremely large ported designs. Most guys building a DIY as a sealed design either get a Marchand or use something along the lines of a Behringer 2496.

The DSP portion of the Submersive amp handles both EQ and limiter functions.

You may still want (in fact, probably will still want) an outboard eq with the Submersive (or, again, any powered sub) to handle room issues.

Mark can be of great help in giving ideas regarding how to maximize a Submersive in any given room. He might eveb help if someone has four of them. :D

"You may still want (in fact, probably will still want) an outboard eq with the Submersive (or, again, any powered sub) to handle room issues. "
Mark recommended and I got the QSC DSP-30. It works well and is fine for my kind of system.

"I understand there are dual opposed divers. So they fire out of the small sides on each end? This is meant to have the long side against the wall?"
Yes. The drivers are on opposite sides of the sub. I have my sub setup so it fits long ways in the back corner of my room.
"Is there an auto on"
Yes there is.
"I understand the controls are also very simple, gain only. Am I correct"
Yes.
It does not have a variable high/low pass crossover as Mark feels that many processors
do this quite well. But I am unsure if it has a phase control.

My room does not seem that harsh. In all honesty, at sane levels it sounds pretty good IMHO. Other people concur. It is when I watched WOTW at crazy levels. Yea it was great but for a little bit after that my ears were hurting. For ex I can listen to music in 2ch mode very loud without it effecting my ears. Even Mark said that he was somewhat impressed with the SQ I have in such a small untreated room. I do plan on getting room treatments, although not the "traditional" kind. When I get my turntable my dealer will bring them over so we can experiment. But I have read that a treated room allows you to turn up the level with out causing pain:D.

What audio is causing the harshness, DTS Master BluRay, standard DVD, or just music? I too experience some harshness with DTS Master when watching BluRay.

Bill

What audio is causing the harshness, DTS Master BluRay, standard DVD, or just music? I too experience some harshness with DTS Master when watching BluRay.

Bill

It's not harsh at all actually. It sounds powerful. Not bright either. It's just that my ears can't take the overall loudness that some other people seem to listen too. For ex, If I hit 107-109db in my room, it's freakin loud. Anything too far beyond that and I know that I would be in pain. I only have standard def at the moment. I use an Esoteric DV50s for my player.

so if I had it set up like a MFW-15 that would probably not work right? How much clearance would the back driver need from the wall? I have about 11ft of space in the front where the LCR and all the gear is and currently I have it set up L>MFW>C<MFW<R and I have about 1.5/2 feet left on either side of the 850's. The Submersive would kill me if I had to put it sideways. Any ideas?

"Is there an auto on"
Yes there is.


Can someone verify this, unless I've overlooked a button or setting somewhere my submersive does not have this feature. When the power switch is "on" the green light remains lit at all times and the amp remains slightly warm to the touch. Also, I have not encountered the typical delayed turn on I've become familiar with when using auto-on type amps.

Can someone verify this, unless I've overlooked a button or setting somewhere my submersive does not have this feature. When the power switch is "on" the green light remains lit at all times and the amp remains slightly warm to the touch. Also, I have not encountered the typical delayed turn on I've become familiar with when using auto-on type amps.

Maybe you are right. I just assumed that it had auto on because I never had to turn it on. But it may well be on all the time. If so, sorry for the confusion:(.

so if I had it set up like a MFW-15 that would probably not work right? How much clearance would the back driver need from the wall? I have about 11ft of space in the front where the LCR and all the gear is and currently I have it set up L>MFW>C<MFW<R and I have about 1.5/2 feet left on either side of the 850's. The Submersive would kill me if I had to put it sideways. Any ideas?

If you look at post 968 here it will take you to my system that I posted on Marks forum. Scroll down a bit and you will see a profile shot of the sub. See how close it is to the back wall? It is actually closer now then in that picture. I think I understand what you mean now more clearly. I don't see any problem having the subs look like the are pointing out into the room as opposed to looking like they are running length wise along the wall.

Ya it looks like you have about a foot or so from the wall. It's not an option for me. The backs of the MFW-s are literally 3 inches from the wall. For me to slap the SM in there would put the 850's pretty damn close to the walls. I have the 8033 so I'm pretty sure I will be able to set it up nicely but having to put it long ways at the front has me holding off pulling out my wallet. I am willing to bet large that one SM will eat the two MFW's for lunch and my upgraditis is eating me alive right now.

I should mention that the Center is on a TV stand with all the AV gear on the levels underneath it so even if I put the sub somehow length wise so that the drivers were firing left to right they would now be firing into the AV gear and one of the insides of the 850's. Am I screwed?

You only need about 3" from the face of the driver to the wall for spacing. You can gain another 5/8" if you remove the grill. In my own system I usually have the amplifier facing the side wall with the long 24" dimension of the footprint running front-back. Also remember that in many homes you will have >1/2" for a baseboard or molding at the floor line, and you only need that 2.5-3" from the wall. The twist-locking (PowerCon) power connection and XLR connector protrude 2" from the box.

There is currently no auto standby mode on the SubMersive or other powered products I offer. It is something I'm looking at for tweaks far ahead, but the idle power is 10-15W, which is less than many subwoofers draw when in "standby." I prefer true-off switching, where a 12V triggered outlet is the best way to make for zero idle consumption. There are some inexpensive remote power strips which can be used if you prefer, or for ~$100 you can get the Niles or Xantech 12V triggered power blocks. It is perfectly safe to switch the power line with the amplifier left on. The only consequence is generally a slightly louder "thunk" when the power is cut but no difference at power up.

Like I said, that was not the final spot. It is much much closer to the back wall now. That was when it was taken out of the box for a picture. Do you want me to measure how far the distance is from the back wall to the grill in my setup? Just so you have an idea?

You only need about 3" from the face of the driver to the wall for spacing. You can gain another 5/8" if you remove the grill. In my own system I usually have the amplifier facing the side wall with the long 24" dimension of the footprint running front-back. Also remember that in many homes you will have >1/2" for a baseboard or molding at the floor line, and you only need that 2.5-3" from the wall. The twist-locking (PowerCon) power connection and XLR connector protrude 2" from the box.

There is currently no auto standby mode on the SubMersive or other powered products I offer. It is something I'm looking at for tweaks far ahead, but the idle power is 10-15W, which is less than many subwoofers draw when in "standby." I prefer true-off switching, where a 12V triggered outlet is the best way to make for zero idle consumption. There are some inexpensive remote power strips which can be used if you prefer, or for ~$100 you can get the Niles or Xantech 12V triggered power blocks. It is perfectly safe to switch the power line with the amplifier left on. The only consequence is generally a slightly louder "thunk" when the power is cut but no difference at power up.

Beautiful. I got your e-mail the other day Mark (It's Dave from Toronto) and after hearing the 2-3" is all I need I think June is looking good for me. I should also mention that I'm on the bottom floor of a condo with slab concrete in between suites so even though I want two because I'm used to the dual MFW's I don't think the pad needs it. Thanks for the info Mark and Mike. We'll be in touch.

Can someone verify this, unless I've overlooked a button or setting somewhere my submersive does not have this feature. When the power switch is "on" the green light remains lit at all times and the amp remains slightly warm to the touch. Also, I have not encountered the typical delayed turn on I've become familiar with when using auto-on type amps.

your correct no auto on.....

Sean

There is currently no auto standby mode on the SubMersive or other powered products I offer. It is something I'm looking at for tweaks far ahead, but the idle power is 10-15W,

With idle draw that low I wouldn't bother looking into auto features unless it's required for marketing fluff purposes and after living with the submersive for awhile now I have the distinct impression you're not alot about fluff, that's a good thing... a very good thing.:D

So, there is no problem with leaving the SubMersive on after you are done using it or is it better to switch it off?

So, there is no problem with leaving the SubMersive on after you are done using it or is it better to switch it off?

with it being an ice amp and power at idle that low, there is basicly no reason to turn it off.

The only time mine has been turned off since I got it was when I went to africa for a month long vacation. but just about everything in the house got unplugged then too.

with it being an ice amp and power at idle that low, there is basicly no reason to turn it off.

The only time mine has been turned off since I got it was when I went to africa for a month long vacation. but just about everything in the house got unplugged then too. Will leaving it on all the time have any effect to the life of the amplifier?

Hi all,
I need to integrate the seaton sub with a home theatre and tube amp/pre-amp. I have coming the Denon 3808ci that has the bass management in it but I need to control the sub also for music with the pre-amp and it does not have balanced out or sub outs. RCA only. What do I need to do? How do I intigrate the two?

Will leaving it on all the time have any effect to the life of the amplifier?

Mine has been on since 12 August 2006 with only 30 day period in 07 when I turned it and everything else off in the house.... from my end I would have to say no.

the ampo by design, although it does not have a stand by state, when it is at idle it is almost off drawing so little power

Hi all,
I need to integrate the seaton sub with a home theatre and tube amp/pre-amp. I have coming the Denon 3808ci that has the bass management in it but I need to control the sub also for music with the pre-amp and it does not have balanced out or sub outs. RCA only. What do I need to do? How do I intigrate the two?
F.Y.I-- I am going to switch the speaker wires for the mains with bananna plugs between the AVR and 2 channel tube system so that part is covered. I just wont have sub out for music. Can I somehow use the Denon AVR for sub management only for the tube amp system? Or do I need to get another high price piece of equipment for bass management for the tube amp?:eek:
These hobbies, I could of had a boat!!!!
And no money for gas to put in it!!!:D Didn't you receive a XLR to RCA converter with your SubMersive?

Didn't you receive a XLR to RCA converter with your SubMersive?

Do I need to get some sort of sub eq conroller or will the Denon do the sub controlling for the pre-amp without using anything else on the Denon?

Do I need to get some sort of sub eq conroller or will the Denon do the sub controlling for the pre-amp without using anything else on the Denon?

Can I hook up the sub like this:
Pre/amp>sub rca in>sub rca out>amplifier>mains????
and
Denon 3808ci>Denon sub out>seaton sub rca input
I have never done this before. Not having high level input like my other sub is leaving me stumped.
Mr. Seaton answered my questions. Thanks

Hi Mark,

I sent you an e-mail on the 30th. Still no response. :(

Hi Mark,

I sent you an e-mail on the 30th. Still no response. :(

you are in dubai?

Mark takes a few days sometimes, but he will get back to you.

you are in dubai? Yeah, why?