http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2006/11/30/dashboard-update-aka-the-1080p-fix.aspx

1080p confirmed fixed on Sony XBR3 by a neoGAF user:

http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/7738/snb12104oh2zi4.jpg

Just got to work and found out about this 1080p update.

Can anyone confirm if 1080P on the Sony XBR2 via vga works correctly?

Thanks in advance.

can youget this update without xbox live, if so where. ie somewhere on the xbox.com website.

I was wondering what this update was for , hit just as I quit playing RB6 for the night (early AM actually) . Should make many people happy with the 1080p VGA fix but I wonder if anything else was addressed/updated ... hmmm ?

EDIT : Here is all that it updates ...

Dashboard Update :

-Improved support for HD video output over VGA, including 1080p resolution

-Improved plug and play performance for wired headsets when being used with wireless controllers

-Changes made to recently played games list to improve accuracy




--- Jason

Did it fix signal scale problem over VGA (aka. washed-out color)?

Did it fix the vga problem for sxrd1? Im planning to pick up the hd dvd add and hookup to my tv through a vga cable.

How about the Sony a2000 series? Guess I can try after work today.

So this means 1080p games for VGA only- still nothing over component?

Who makes the VGA cable and where can I get it for a good price? Thanks in advance!!

I've actually been having trouble with my headset lately. Didn't even think it was related to the newest dashboard update. Hope they fixed it!

Did it fix the vga problem for sxrd1? Im planning to pick up the hd dvd add and hookup to my tv through a vga cable.
There is no VGA problem for an SXRD1/2. Read your manual. It does not support 1080p through VGA. Furthermore, all resolutions via VGA are displayed in a window that is smaller than the screen. This is by design. It is not Microsoft's fault. Your SXRD only supports 1080p on the firewire and antenna inputs.

Who makes the VGA cable and where can I get it for a good price? Thanks in advance!!


Stay away from Mad Catz/JoyTech 2 of the 3rd party brands you will find they are garbage...

Either pick up a Dragon VGA cable from PLAY-ASIA.COM or get an official MSFT one...Check EBGAMESTOP to see if they have them used they sell them for $12.99....Dont settle less for Dragon or MSFT.

Stay away from Mad Catz/JoyTech 2 of the 3rd party brands you will find they are garbage...

Either pick up a Dragon VGA cable from PLAY-ASIA.COM or get an official MSFT one...Check EBGAMESTOP to see if they have them used they sell them for $12.99....Dont settle less for Dragon or MSFT.

Thanks!

Oddly, this update messed up 1080 over component for my Panny, it now underscans vertically beyond correction.

I am at work and the link to major nelsons blog is blocked on our system.

Does anyone know if this fixes the fact that over VGA there are "tiny black vertical bars" (three pixels wide) letterboxing my Sony XBR1 40 in. LCD. Very small but extremely annoying to a sicko like myself. I have the resolution in the 360 maxed out, but my screen has slightly more pixels than the max setting in the 360. Is my TV not scaling properly or is it the 360???

I connect via component now.

Did it fix signal scale problem over VGA (aka. washed-out color)?

Bump.

Stay away from Mad Catz/JoyTech 2 of the 3rd party brands you will find they are garbage...

Either pick up a Dragon VGA cable from PLAY-ASIA.COM or get an official MSFT one...Check EBGAMESTOP to see if they have them used they sell them for $12.99....Dont settle less for Dragon or MSFT.

I picked up a set of used official MS VGA cables at Gamestop for $9.99.

How about the Sony a2000 series? Guess I can try after work today.

So this means 1080p games for VGA only- still nothing over component?

I don't think it will work, cause the a2000 doesn't support 1080p over VGA at all, as far as I know. :(

so something got broke on mine!

been using the vga cables with my 42" plasma since i got the tv.

updated today, and vga no longer works.... it shows on the monitor that its receiving a signal and its the right resolution, but its just black.
component cables work just fine
if i run the vga cable to a little 15" lcd monitor, it will work fine, but something happened to make it not work with vga and my plasma...

What model of plasma?

What model of plasma?

hp pl4260n

I am using some crappy MadCatz VGA cables right now (they were the only thing available to me at the time) and the update definitely fixed some problems with a cloudy picture at 768p that I was having. The colors still aren't quite as vibrant as the official Microsoft component cables but I am going to attribute that to the poor quality of MadCatz stuff. Hopefully the store I work in will get some official VGA cables in stock so I can buy them with my discount.

I was hoping they added more resolutions oh well.

I picked up a set of used official MS VGA cables at Gamestop for $9.99.


Even better deal...Last I check and what I picked mine up for was $12.99 when they had them searchable on the webpage over at ebgames.com....

I'm kind of afraid to go home and update...my set is working fine in 1080p right now...

Doesnt work on the sony xbr2 :( :(

someone start a poll thread, worky/noworky

Cool going to try it on my Pearl when I get home.

*Crosses fingers*

Doesnt work on the sony xbr2 :( :(

someone start a poll thread, worky/noworky
Did you read above, someone said that the XBR2s do not display 1080p via VGA. I have not confirmed this myself.

It is about the ninth reply.


/edit, well i'll be damned. sure enough. well, nevermind then ;)

eh? they do, connect your PC and find out yourself.

and learn to read...no one mentioned xbr2 except eprson asking the question, me and now you.

Did you read above, someone said that the XBR2s do not display 1080p via VGA. I have not confirmed this myself.

It is about the ninth reply.

The XBR2's are supposed to, it's the SXRD's that don't.

Doesnt work on the sony xbr2 :( :(

someone start a poll thread, worky/noworky

which xbr2 are you talking about the lcos projection set or the bravia lcds?

The XBR2's are supposed to, it's the SXRD's that don't.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/%3Cwbr%3EINTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start?CategoryName=tv_ProjectionTVs_RearProjection_55to80TVs&Dept=tvvideo

Are you sure you know what you are talking about? XBR2's are a model of the SXRD sets as well....

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/%3Cwbr%3EINTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start?CategoryName=tv_ProjectionTVs_RearProjection_55to80TVs&Dept=tvvideo

Are you sure you know what you are talking about? XBR2's are a model of the SXRD sets as well....

i'm pretty sure that the guy was talking about the lcd bravia xbr2's, not the lcos projection xbr2.

If it works for the LCD Bravia XBR3 then it should work for the LCD Bravia XBR2 becuase the only difference between the two is cosmetic...

However, I am also at work so I can't test out my XBR2 ATM...

To the person that said that it doesn't work on the XBR2...are you talking about Component or VGA or BOth? Remember, Sory Bravia XBR2/3 do not support 1080p via Component...only VGA or HDMI (which is how it should be).

If it works for the LCD Bravia XBR3 then it should work for the LCD Bravia XBR2 becuase the only difference between the two is cosmetic...

However, I am also at work so I can't test out my XBR2 ATM...

i'm in class so i can't test a damn thing.

question: 1080p over component will now work on XBR's. but i thought my XBR3 didn't take 1080p signals over component. what's up?

How about the Sony a2000 series? Guess I can try after work today.

So this means 1080p games for VGA only- still nothing over component?In addition to someone ahead of me mentioning that the TV does not accept a full 1080 signal via VGA, unfortunately, the A2000 also does not accept a 1080p signal via component ... a limitation of the TV, not an Xbox 360 problem. Until MS releases an HDMI cable, we are screwed.

what resolutions are available under VGA now?

i got into the menu blind and was able to change the resolution but every single one still gives me a black screen with vga.

the options i have for VGA are :

640x480
1024x768
720p
1080i
1080p

i can see the tv switching resolutions but every one comes up as black.

before the update, i didnt have the regular hdtv resolutions. i had 640x480 1024x768 , etc, etc...

I have a question, if 1080p can be supported via an update, why can a TV or projector not be updated, such as my Panny AE900u?

SAMSUNG 244T 24" LCD - Native Resolution 1920 x 1200 - I Select 1080p with the new "update" and IT STILL DISPLAYS A resolution of 1440 x 1050!!! WTF?! This monitor MOST DEFINITELY SUPPORTS 1920 x 1080, I've set that resolution in Windows XP MYSELF!!! I am so disappointed!!!! What's the deal?

Is 1080i via VGA fianlly supported, by any chance? I want to stop using a transcoder for 1080i VGA!

On adifferent note... if this update breaks some things, it is kind of scary that MS basically forces you to update in order to stay on Live.... And AFAIK, there's no way to "downgrade" to the previous version....

Is 1080i via VGA fianlly supported, by any chance? I want to stop using a transcoder for 1080i VGA!

On adifferent note... if this update breaks some things, it is kind of scary that MS basically forces you to update in order to stay on Live.... And AFAIK, there's no way to "downgrade" to the previous version....

1080i is an option for me in the menu, although nothing shows up with the vga cable:(

Update went through fine for me. The begining logo has no tearing anymore for me, so thats neat. Im going to try the VGA cable again and compare vs component.

Wow, 1080i is in the VGA resolution menu now? I'll have to check this out when I get home.

Blitz,
Please let us know how that turned out. I can't get to my 360 at the moment (at work ). I have a 32 inch Samsung LCD. I bought the VGA cable last month, but when compared with component, it was just too washed out. I wonder if this update fixes any of that. I hope, because the DVD's looked so much more deep and full of color on VGA, but washed out with games.

Wow, 1080i is in the VGA resolution menu now? I'll have to check this out when I get home.


well, it might just be mine messed up, but i cant see ANYTHING on the screen through vga. if its hooked up to my tv i can switch resolutions by knowing where to go in the menues and the following options are avaliable on my tv:

640x480
1024x768
720p
1080i
1080p


although, when i hooked up the 360 to both my computer lcd's, i got the normal vga resolutions and none of the hdtv ones....

Can someone post the dashboard build for this update? I don't use VGA now, but I plan on purchasing a 1080p TV with VGA.

FourDoor, ocbaud,

It sounds like the 1080i option ocbaud sees is the TV's input menu, not the 360's output menu. Right?

FourDoor, ocbaud,

It sounds like the 1080i option ocbaud sees is the TV's input menu, not the 360's output menu. Right?


whenever the resolution on my tv changes, it shows it at the top of the screen. the native resolution of my tv is 1024x768, so thats what i leave it at.

after the update today, the screen is completely black but everything else works(sound, menus, etc)

with the screen black i was able to go to the settings menu in the 360 and change the resolutions. the resolutions that i listed on here are the only options it gave me to change the display to. each time i hit "A" to select that resolution, the screen would flicker and the top of the tv would show the new resolution.

if that makes sense.

Not that this means anything but I find it interesting ... The boot screen "X logo" now comes up fast over VGA , just like it did before the last big system update . Certain VGA resolutions also appear to be a bit sharper than before (at least on my 37" LCD display) , I think they are messing with the timings .

Oh and 1080i is not an option for VGA in the menu .

------ Jason

Oh and 1080i is not an option for VGA in the menu .

------ Jason

i know it shouldnt be, and it ISNT when i hook up my dell lcd

but hooked up to hp plasma, it along with 720p and 1080p are an option, and it DOES attempt to display them, as it says VGA:1080i at the top of the tv

update seems to have messed with my display. samsung 4266w. I now have underscan issues on the top and right sides at 1280x720. probably 1/2". tweaking the display in my tv menu doesn't help, the output isn't large enough for the screen. It was fine prior to this. Back to component I go, I guess.

First, Can someone with a VGA cable NOT component say that they have 720p, 1080i and 1080p as choices under resolution. All I have is screen resolution choices 1920x 1080, 1280 x 720, to name a few.
If so did you get this only after the update?

I have run both updates and I was getting an image until I ran the last update, looks like they messed with the hoz sync, switched it from pos to neg and now I have to see how I change that on my pj. 1920 x 1080 isn't locking up any more. This seems to be a work in progress and I'm not sure they are getting good info.

i know it shouldnt be, and it ISNT when i hook up my dell lcd

but hooked up to hp plasma, it along with 720p and 1080p are an option, and it DOES attempt to display them, as it says VGA:1080i at the top of the tv

Can your plasma by chance accept Component over the VGA input ? Sounds like the display is possibly confusing the 360 and causing your resolution/black screen issue ?

------ Jason

Doesnt work on the sony xbr2 :( :(

someone start a poll thread, worky/noworky

can you clarify exactly what you tried and on which tv? i haven't actually heard someone say they specifically tried the vga 1080p on the RP xbr2's...

First, Can someone with a VGA cable NOT component say that they have 720p, 1080i and 1080p as choices under resolution. All I have is screen resolution choices 1920x 1080, 1280 x 720, to name a few.
If so did you get this only after the update?

I have run both updates and I was getting an image until I ran the last update, looks like they messed with the hoz sync, switched it from pos to neg and now I have to see how I change that on my pj. 1920 x 1080 isn't locking up any more. This seems to be a work in progress and I'm not sure they are getting good info.


There is NOT a 1080i option when using VGA , it is just a bug .

They would appear to be messing around in the timings , this was my thought process as well .

------ Jason

Can your plasma by chance accept Component over the VGA input ? Sounds like the display is possibly confusing the 360 and causing your resolution/black screen issue ?

------ Jason


i'm not sure how it would accept component over vga.

i know with the component cables the 360 does work.

and it worked fine with vga before the update. i updated, it rebooted, and i got the blank screen.


it would be so much a problem, but i only have 2 component inputs on my tv, and they are being taken up by my cable box and my Wii

Oh and 1080i is not an option for VGA in the menu .

------ Jason

Thanks for clarifying Jason. I guess the VGA cable stays with the projector.

Ok...I can now confirm that 1920x1080/60hrz via VGA works on my Sony KDL-46XBR2...I can actually watch HD-DVD movies at 1080p now via the HD-DVD drive.

1080p Over Component on a 60" SXRD Rear Projection Television Model KDS-R60XBR2 Does Not Work. :(

1080p Over Component on a 60" SXRD Rear Projection Television Model KDS-R60XBR2 Does Not Work. :(
i'm pretty sure it's not supposed to, have you tried the vga cable?

1080p Over Component on a 60" SXRD Rear Projection Television Model KDS-R60XBR2 Does Not Work. :(

That is no fault of MS. The sony only accepts 1080P over HDMI.

That is no fault of MS. The sony only accepts 1080P over HDMI.
Which we still need. PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASSSSE!

That is no fault of MS. The sony only accepts 1080P over HDMI.
and is supposed to via vga... (xbr2 only, not a2000)
see manual pg 77

The update can only be done with Xbox connected to the internet? There's no way to download the update and burn it on a cd or dvd?

I have wireless network in my house?
$100 for the MS wireless adapter is way too much.
I'm only using Xbox for HD-Addon and some offline gaming.

The update can only be done with Xbox connected to the internet? There's no way to download the update and burn it on a cd or dvd?

I have wireless network in my house?
$100 for the MS wireless adapter is way too much.
I'm only using Xbox for HD-Addon and some offline gaming.

By the time you read this you probably could have toted your 360 over to your wireless router and connected it to the router w/ an ethernet cable (they all have a few hardwire connections). That is my recomendation. You can use a vga cable to then connect the 360 to your computer monitor so that you can see the update. Thats my advice.

i'm not sure how it would accept component over vga.

i know with the component cables the 360 does work.

and it worked fine with vga before the update. i updated, it rebooted, and i got the blank screen.


it would be so much a problem, but i only have 2 component inputs on my tv, and they are being taken up by my cable box and my Wii


Some displays can accept a Component signal through a VGA port (using the proper adapter/cable of course) . It was just a thought since you say that 1080i shows up within the menu and 1080i is over Component only for the 360 . If your display does indeed accept Component through the VGA port then you can use that for your 360 ( at least until they fix some more bugs ;) ) .

------ Jason

That is no fault of MS. The sony only accepts 1080P over HDMI.
it accepts 1080p via vga as well but you get the stupid 5 inch border around the picture. I didn't buy a 60" tv to get a 50" picture in the middle of it. I can only hope M$ finally realeases an HDMI cable eventually. Honestly though 1080i looks pretty phenomenal so I can't really complain. well, I can complain, but that won't do much good.

The update can only be done with Xbox connected to the internet? There's no way to download the update and burn it on a cd or dvd?

I have wireless network in my house?
$100 for the MS wireless adapter is way too much.
I'm only using Xbox for HD-Addon and some offline gaming.

you can get the update from MS sent to your place on a cd, I think there is also another method of making a cd yourself with the update on it, but cant seem to find where I saw that before.

My setup works great right now (1080i) it is all my set will do. I'm concerned that this update might mess with my setup. Is there a way to go back to a prior patch level should things get messed up? I think I'm just going to remove my ethernet connection until I hear that it doesn't mess with 1080i. I have a Sony 46 CRT Rear Projection TV and I am connecting via component.

you can get the update from MS sent to your place on a cd, I think there is also another method of making a cd yourself with the update on it, but cant seem to find where I saw that before.

I think this is only for backwards compatibility updates.

My setup works great right now (1080i) it is all my set will do. I'm concerned that this update might mess with my setup. Is there a way to go back to a prior patch level should things get messed up? I think I'm just going to remove my ethernet connection until I hear that it doesn't mess with 1080i. I have a Sony 46 CRT Rear Projection TV and I am connecting via component.

you should be fine. the issues that are arising are on vga, not component.

Will purchasing the 1st party VGA cables improve the PQ? I have a set of 3rd party VGA cables, MadCatz I believe, and the colours seem slightly "washed out". BTW, I have a Sony KDL-46XBR2.

I checked the manual on the 60" SXRD and it only accepts a max of 1080i over component.

This blows. You spend $4000.00 on a "TrueHD 1080p" set and you can't even take full advantage of the damn thing. If the Xbox 360 wanted to be next generation then put a damn HDMI port on the thing. I've had a digital video signal in my house for almost 3 years now with my DVI cabled Sony TV. Next generation is not running your best signal through an analog component cable.

Release a damn HDMI cable and move on with it.

Any confirmation on the Samsung HLR-5688W? Worked just fine over VGA 1080p prior to this new update, but I cannot test out this new update as my 360 is being repaired. Will it prevent my TV from displaying the 1080p signal? Some people say that TVs that supported it fine are now messing up; the HLR was one of those that ran 1080p fine.

can you clarify exactly what you tried and on which tv? i haven't actually heard someone say they specifically tried the vga 1080p on the RP xbr2's...


lcos...the projection ones

Update does NOT allow 1080p on KDSR70 XBR2 via VGA. 1080p IS a supported resolution of VGA on this set.

1080p Over Component on a 60" SXRD Rear Projection Television Model KDS-R60XBR2 Does Not Work. :(

That set does NOT support 1080p using component

This update just killed 1080p over component for me with my Sharp 37d90u...I now get blue shadows around everything in NBA2K7 for example when I turn on 1080p after the new update...This sucks...And VGA 1080p still isn't fixed either for the Sharp.

Did you read above, someone said that the XBR2s do not display 1080p via VGA. I have not confirmed this myself.

It is about the ninth reply.


/edit, well i'll be damned. sure enough. well, nevermind then ;)


it works fine with my KDL-46XBR2 -

The update can only be done with Xbox connected to the internet? There's no way to download the update and burn it on a cd or dvd?

I have wireless network in my house?
$100 for the MS wireless adapter is way too much.
I'm only using Xbox for HD-Addon and some offline gaming.


you don't need to pay $100 for wireless gaming - just go buy a linksys wireless G game adapter for much less on ebay....

could someone who has the update installed already post pictures of their Screen Resolution blade? I downloaded the update but I'm not getting 1080i or 1080p as options..... :confused:

My windows media 1080p videos still are In 4x3 mode. :(

This update just killed 1080p over component for me with my Sharp 37d90u...I now get blue shadows around everything in NBA2K7 for example when I turn on 1080p after the new update...This sucks...And VGA 1080p still isn't fixed either for the Sharp.

Ugh... what in the world is going on over there? They fix support my TV and break support for a perfectly good Sharp D90U... What the hell.

So with the XBR2 LCOS rear pros like the KDS-R60XBR2 does the update in fact fix VGA input?

In addition to someone ahead of me mentioning that the TV does not accept a full 1080 signal via VGA, unfortunately, the A2000 also does not accept a 1080p signal via component ... a limitation of the TV, not an Xbox 360 problem. Until MS releases an HDMI cable, we are screwed.


I don't get how an update for the 360 came to a realization for some of you that have the display should already have known that it states in the manuel on the website and in the reviews before this update was even mention that it is only 1080P through HDMI on the A2000 and LCOS XBR2s. So please stop describing you got screwed. You have been gaming in 1080P from the get go. Alot of you need to come to the commen sense that all you are doing is using the scaler to take the place of what your display is already doing. Especially on the SXRD LCOS models you are not going to see much of a difference if at all for the fact that you are gaming in 1080P. Accept that and alot of you will start enjoying the display alot more then you are now. Your not missing anything.

So with the XBR2 LCOS rear pros like the KDS-R60XBR2 does the update in fact fix VGA input?


It never was supposed to. It is advertised 1080P for HDMI it has always been 1080P HDMI only. Never did they state would you get 1080P with any other source with your displays except HDMI. Read your manuels and read the news releases.

I checked the manual on the 60" SXRD and it only accepts a max of 1080i over component.

This blows. You spend $4000.00 on a "TrueHD 1080p" set and you can't even take full advantage of the damn thing. If the Xbox 360 wanted to be next generation then put a damn HDMI port on the thing. I've had a digital video signal in my house for almost 3 years now with my DVI cabled Sony TV. Next generation is not running your best signal through an analog component cable.

Release a damn HDMI cable and move on with it.

:rolleyes:

I think we're all seeing what pressure does to a company. Without all of the outsry to see 1080p before MS frankly wanted to provide it, some get screwed while few have this work.

Just people relax, and stop imagining you need something so bad that you force the company in question to rush and screw up.

It never was supposed to. It is advertised 1080P for HDMI it has always been 1080P HDMI only. Never did they state would you get 1080P with any other source with your displays except HDMI. Read your manuels and read the news releases.

I have the manual for the KDSR60XBR2 right in front of me, and page 77 clearly says that 1920x1080 over vga is accepted. Refer PC Input Signal Reference Chart.

Now would someone with factual information please contribute.

I have the manual for the KDSR60XBR2 right in front of me, and page 77 clearly says that 1920x1080 over vga is accepted. Refer PC Input Signal Reference Chart.

Does it specify 1920x1080p @ 60Hz ?

------ Jason

Looks like it makes the colors look fantastic this time around. It was so dull and greenish before. Great job Microsoft!

Major Nelson has an update on his blog:


Major Nelson said:
FYI: The dashboard team is looking into the issues raised here.


http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2006/11/30/dashboard-update-aka-the-1080p-fix.aspx#339


If you have problems, I suggest you to post a bug report on the Nelson Blog. It's likely that the dashboard team is reading it now.

I have the manual for the KDSR60XBR2 right in front of me, and page 77 clearly says that 1920x1080 over vga is accepted. Refer PC Input Signal Reference Chart.

Now would someone with factual information please contribute.


From a computer not a display and Sony has gone on the record and stated that it can only accept 1080P through HDMI and you don't even have to go that far to find the info you and others are trying to reach for somthing that was never advertised as being. Why oh why then do they put HDMI (1080P) next to advertisements of the display. It isn't hard and they have stated it is 1080P in the reviews only through HDMI. By all means continue your search for somthing again was never stated to have in the first place with this 1080P display.

And your going to convince me the world is also flat?

Im disinterested in your amateur theories - there is nothing special about VGA via a pc or another source. You claim its not advertised when in fact the manual specifically says it can do it. One of the people on this forum who are actually informed and helpful modified the frequency of the signal for the horiztonal and vertical frequencies and got it working. It doesnt magically change when a pc is inputting the signal against another device. You are superstitious, poorly informed and despite the bravado of your arrogance actually ignorant of the electrical engineering involved here.

So, would someone with the 360 dash update, a vga cable and the KDSR60/70XBR2 try it out and report the result please.

Does it specify 1920x1080p @ 60Hz ?

------ Jason

The display is looking for an EIA standard input signal with 1920x1080 60hz vertical and 67.5hz horizontal frequency and unlike our freind from the flat earth society, oddly enough it doesnt have to be a PC outputting an EIA compliant signal to work on the vga input.

it accepts 1080p via vga as well but you get the stupid 5 inch border around the picture. I didn't buy a 60" tv to get a 50" picture in the middle of it. I can only hope M$ finally realeases an HDMI cable eventually. Honestly though 1080i looks pretty phenomenal so I can't really complain. well, I can complain, but that won't do much good.
thats how mine is I got a 10inch border on my 60incher I agree I didnt buy 60inch to get a 50inch LOL...

And your going to convince me the world is also flat?

Im disinterested in your amateur theories - there is nothing special about VGA via a pc or another source. You claim its not advertised when in fact the manual specifically says it can do it. One of the people on this forum who are actually informed and helpful modified the frequency of the signal for the horiztonal and vertical frequencies and got it working. It doesnt magically change when a pc is inputting the signal against another device. You are superstitious, poorly informed and despite the bravado of your arrogance actually ignorant of the electrical engineering involved here.

So, would someone with the 360 dash update, a vga cable and the KDSR60/70XBR2 try it out and report the result please.

You can be upset with your ignorant comments I sure as hell am not going to argue about of all things a da*n cable. Your getting upset in hopes that a cable will do the same job or better then your scaler in that paticular display. Again, with this being Sony are you really out of it to believe that they didn't go as far as only allowing 1080P through HDMI only on this display? Is it that hard to figure out? Take the advertisments, reviews about the display and the da*n website and you have your answer before you went searching with this update. I have the 60" XBR1 and oh I am clear that it doesn't accept 1080P period. I plan on buying the 70" after I return from my deployment. But please go ahead and continue the bit*hing.

By the way I am aware the world is round since I do actually travel all over it. :D

You can be upset with your ignorant comments I sure as hell am not going to argue about of all things a da*n cable. Your getting upset in hopes that a cable will do the same job or better then your scaler in that paticular display. Again, with this being Sony are you really out of it to believe that they didn't go as far as only allowing 1080P through HDMI only on this display? Is it that hard to figure out? Take the advertisments, reviews about the display and the da*n website and you have your answer before you went searching with this update. I have the 60" XBR1 and oh I am clear that it doesn't accept 1080P period. I plan on buying the 70" after I return from my deployment. But please go ahead and continue the bit*hing.

By the way I am aware the world is round since I do actually travel all over it. :D
i think it does accept 1080P, but it down scales it to 1080i? I have the same tv and I love it wish I could afford the 70xbr2...I can only wish..its freakin awesome I seen it I love the size. :D

The Sony KDS-R60XBR2's jack pack leaves little to be desired. As we mentioned, it includes an HDMI input on its front panel, in addition to a composite A/V input--you lose the A2000's front component-video input, however. Around back you'll find two more HDMI inputs, and all three have the ability to accept 1080p sources (they'll accept the more common 1080p/60fps sources, but not 1080p/24fps).

Don't you think they would have mention the VGA accepts it too?

Xbox 360 testing: We hooked up the Xbox 360 to the Sony via our component-video adapter (we also tried VGA for fun, but issues with the VGA input led us to abandon that) and the results were mostly good. 1080p purists might complain that the set cannot accept 1080p sources via its component-video inputs, but we didn't think that was a huge deal since the games looked great in 1080i--and as we mentioned above, the Sony resolved every detail of 1080i sources via component video.

PC performance: We also tested the Sony's VGA input and the results were disappointing. We set our PC to 1,920x1,080 and unlike the 60A2000 we reviewed, the R60XBR2 did display an image--but it was far from ideal. We could find no way to get the image to fill the screen completely; there was a black border about 8-inches wide on all sides, which is unacceptable. We were able to reduce interference by playing with the pitch and phase controls, but never completely eliminate it.

http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDS_R60XBR2/4505-6484_7-31901228.html?tag=tpr

KDS-R60XBR1(yes the model I have)

The Sony KDS-R60XBR1's generous jack pack offers the following: two HDMI inputs; two component-video inputs; two A/V inputs with both S-Video and composite; two RF inputs, one for antenna and the other for off-air HD signals; a set of audio outputs; a CableCard slot; and Control S ports for controlling other Sony A/V gear. Although we appreciated the addition of a 15-pin VGA-style RGB input for PC hookup (maximum resolution 1,280x1,024 at 60Hz),

Why is there a difference?

http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDS_R60XBR1/4505-6484_7-31481141.html?tag=also

KDS-60A2000

We also tried connecting the 360 via the VGA adapter, and the console did not fill the Sony's screen, regardless of which adjustments we made on the console of to the TV itself. Component-video looked much sharper and also filled the screen.(Thanks to David Rudden for 360 testing).

PC performance: We hooked the Sony up to a PC via VGA, and as expected, the set maxed out at 1,366x768 resolution. The desktop did not nearly fill the screen, and furthermore, according to DisplayMate, the Sony couldn't resolve every line of resolution; text indeed looked pretty soft, even after we engaged the set's automatic calibration for PC.

Again why the difference?

Now can we get back to being civilized. :D

Otherwise look at it this way, for owners of this display that continue to complain you can go back to only complaining about getting HDMI for your 1080P fix.

The issue about EIA compliant VGA 1080P input with not filling the whole screen is known. Your not contributing anything other than white noise.

Whats especially relevant is for owners of the 60" and 70" to report if since the dash update the 1080P via vga is working or not.

MS needs an option to roll back update versions.

I understand that for online play that could be problematic but for those simply watching video and playing offline they may want to roll back an update version in situations like this.

Looks like it makes the colors look fantastic this time around. It was so dull and greenish before. Great job Microsoft!

That's nice but also a bit of concern for those whose color was already fine over VGA. How can MS fix the color for one display type w/o messing up another unless they a) Offer a new option in the system dashboard or b) Autosense something about the display

360 VGA works fine on my dlp projector for instance so I'm reluctant to connect to online and take this update yet given some of these posts.

Kinda like my issue now.

All you complainers of the color washed out via VGA! I HATE YOU



Now my colors are way to high, with no way to correct.


Calibrate your damn sets before you post. OH MY the colors are washed out... Maybe you need to calibrate before you say something. Use the flipping Auto Adj feature in your TV menu. Setup proper Contrast, and Brightness. And Stop over saturating your Componet Inputs.


If your TV is at 50 color on Componet. It's more then likely WRONG!!!!!!!!


Get your "stuff" ISF'ed and see what an Accurate picture looks like.\

AHHHHHHHHH.....



AVS can be a great place for great Information, but then at times, some members should not be on or posting at all.

Kinda like my issue now.

All you complainers of the color washed out via VGA! I HATE YOU



Now my colors are way to high, with no way to correct.


Why is it that on your TV there's no way to correct, but previously all these people were just a bunch of whiners who didn't know how to calibrate? Did it ever occur to you that the problem you have now is similar to the problem they had?

Why is it that on your TV there's no way to correct, but previously all these people were just a bunch of whiners who didn't know how to calibrate? Did it ever occur to you that the problem you have now is similar to the problem they had?


But thats the da*n problem for some in here that don't get it about the VGA input. The resolution for some displays like the XBR(LCOS) and A2000 are not MS's issue to fix. Sony is trying to promote HDMI and have been for a while in relation to the PS3. It is not suprising that they have increased the resolution in the last 2 versions of the XBR. Has anyone not notice that most the major companies do not support 1080P VGA but cheap companies do on their displays?

Sony knew what they were doing with the VGA and it was no issue before all of a sudden 1080P was support for the 360. The XBR and A2000 models were finalized long before the announcement about 1080P VGA.

The issue about EIA compliant VGA 1080P input with not filling the whole screen is known. Your not contributing anything other than white noise.

Whats especially relevant is for owners of the 60" and 70" to report if since the dash update the 1080P via vga is working or not.


Let me just ask you a straight up queston no BS. How "MUCH" of a PQ if any do you really think the picture on the display we both own is going to be if the VGA input did fill the screen in 1080P?

Why so much frustation about the VGA input when you have no clue how much difference the PQ will actually end up being. Is it really worth it for VGA to be that concerned about somthing that your display is probably doing the best it should be doing. I mean for 2 years now the XBR's are one of if not the best displays on the market in the category. What the heck do you think you might be missing from VGA hookup. Will it help you sleep better at night. Will it be a huge dissapointment if you got it to work and then realize "sh*t I don't see a difference"

But thats the da*n problem for some in here that don't get it about the VGA input. The resolution for some displays like the XBR(LCOS) and A2000 are not MS's issue to fix. Sony is trying to promote HDMI and have been for a while in relation to the PS3. It is not suprising that they have increased the resolution in the last 2 versions of the XBR. Has anyone not notice that most the major companies do not support 1080P VGA but cheap companies do on their displays?

Sony knew what they were doing with the VGA and it was no issue before all of a sudden 1080P was support for the 360. The XBR and A2000 models were finalized long before the announcement about 1080P VGA.

Why do you respond to my post with this? Talk about non sequitur. The 360 VGA color issues are in no way related to resolution support and aren't just a problem on Sonys. The problem and solution are known, Amir's commented on it. No need to repeat the same rant we've all read dozens of times from you in response to this.

Why do you respond to my post with this? Talk about non sequitur. The 360 VGA color issues are in no way related to resolution support and aren't just a problem on Sonys. The problem and solution are known, Amir's commented on it. No need to repeat the same rant we've all read dozens of times from you in response to this.

THe first sentence in my post pointed to you what my reply was about.
The whole post wasn't in response to you just to your comment about the VGA complainers (which I meant the resolutions)

Yes you have heard this a dozen times just like we it has been said a dozen times over that is getting old about HDMI or VGA resolution problems with some not getting the fact that it is not an issue with MS it is an issue if you even want to call it that with what the manufactures of the displays did. People can continue to bitch and moan about no HDMI or a VGA res that the display doesn't support fully in the first place but no one can voice about hearing the same old sh*t. Wash out colors I understand but not res on some displays in particular the SXRD's

THe first sentence in my post pointed to you what my reply was about.
The whole post wasn't in response to you just to your comment about the VGA complainers (which I meant the resolutions)

I wasn't talking about resolution and neither was the guy I responded to.

Yes you have heard this a dozen times just like we it has been said a dozen times over that is getting old about HDMI or VGA resolution problems with some not getting the fact that it is not an issue with MS it is an issue if you even want to call it that with what the manufactures of the displays did. People can continue to bitch and moan about no HDMI or a VGA res that the display doesn't support fully in the first place but no one can voice about hearing the same old sh*t. Wash out colors I understand but not res on some displays in particular the SXRD's

I would just note that the manuals for the LCD XBR2/3 and LCoS XBR2 state the exact same thing in the PC Input Chart - namely, that they'll accept a 1920x1080 60 Hz signal. Neither would accept it from the 360 after the first update, and the LCDs do after the second update. Perhaps SXRD (XBR2 ONLY) owners have a legitimate gripe that MS can fix. Or maybe not. The response from MS so far would seem to indicate that it will get fixed if it can be.

I wasn't talking about resolution and neither was the guy I responded to.



I would just note that the manuals for the LCD XBR2/3 and LCoS XBR2 state the exact same thing in the PC Input Chart - namely, that they'll accept a 1920x1080 60 Hz signal. Neither would accept it from the 360 after the first update, and the LCDs do after the second update. Perhaps SXRD (XBR2 ONLY) owners have a legitimate gripe that MS can fix. Or maybe not. The response from MS so far would seem to indicate that it will get fixed if it can be.


I am fully aware of the chart in SXRD manuals. How about this why not just go back to component in the meantime until there is a fully fixable update to this. But IMO there isn't one for the LCOS SXRD's because Sony didn't/doesn't care about VGA 1080P. For the LCOS SXRD's this is a fix if any for Sony not MS. I don't get why anyone thought that every single display with VGA was going to be a perfect connection with the original update rolled out. It has been a year with washout colors now you got a new update that fu*ked alot of displays that were playing fine with the VGA input. You see, its going to keep going in circles with this fix.

I would just note that the manuals for the LCD XBR2/3 and LCoS XBR2 state the exact same thing in the PC Input Chart - namely, that they'll accept a 1920x1080 60 Hz signal. Neither would accept it from the 360 after the first update, and the LCDs do after the second update. Perhaps SXRD (XBR2 ONLY) owners have a legitimate gripe that MS can fix. Or maybe not. The response from MS so far would seem to indicate that it will get fixed if it can be.

amen, keep up the dashboard emails!

btw, the lcd manual does not have the note that says a vga signal will not fill the entire screen like the lcos manual does,
also, relevant or not, for some reason the lcd manual does not have the "EIA" in the standards column....

How about this why not just go back to component in the meantime until there is a fully fixable update to this.

DVD upscaling, I would imagine.

But IMO there isn't one for the LCOS SXRD's because Sony didn't/doesn't care about VGA 1080P. For the LCOS SXRD's this is a fix if any for Sony not MS.

I think we're all aware of your opinion, but the MS fix worked for the LCDs. It clearly wasn't a Sony problem, it was an MS problem. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that a similar fix from MS for the SXRD is possible.

I don't get why anyone thought that every single display with VGA was going to be a perfect connection with the original update rolled out.

I'm not sure anybody did expect that. They might have expected it to work with one of the most popular TVs out there though.

It has been a year with washout colors now you got a new update that fu*ked alot of displays that were playing fine with the VGA input.

I'll just adopt your attitude on that and tell them to complain to their TV manufacturer. What, did they expect the update to the update to be a perfect connection on every single display with VGA? Maybe they should just go back to component and forget about it. Hey, this is fun! No company ever needs to make anything work properly, and everybody can just STFU.

DVD upscaling, I would imagine.



I think we're all aware of your opinion, but the MS fix worked for the LCDs. It clearly wasn't a Sony problem, it was an MS problem. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that a similar fix from MS for the SXRD is possible.



I'm not sure anybody did expect that. They might have expected it to work with one of the most popular TVs out there though.



I'll just adopt your attitude on that and tell them to complain to their TV manufacturer. What, did they expect the update to the update to be a perfect connection on every single display with VGA? Maybe they should just go back to component and forget about it. Hey, this is fun! No company ever needs to make anything work properly, and everybody can just STFU.

Or maybe you can just say fu*k both VGA and component and keep complaining in the meantime for MS to offer HDMI. Yeah I guess everyone needs to STFU and just enjoy the games at this point vs spending the energy bit*hing about somthing you don't have over and over and over and over and over........and over.

I would say I am going back to watching my SXRD at this point but I am in Iraq so I can't use that :D

It just seems that alot of you complain more on here then just enjoying the display and the game system. Alot of you complain about a small difference in PQ. I done here so I really am not trying to get into a pissing contest but whatever floats your boats with waiting for a change. As I said maybe some of you should just enjoy component until the fix or wait for HDMI.

Kinda like my issue now.

All you complainers of the color washed out via VGA! I HATE YOU



Now my colors are way to high, with no way to correct.


Calibrate your damn sets before you post. OH MY the colors are washed out... Maybe you need to calibrate before you say something. Use the flipping Auto Adj feature in your TV menu. Setup proper Contrast, and Brightness. And Stop over saturating your Componet Inputs.


If your TV is at 50 color on Componet. It's more then likely WRONG!!!!!!!!


Get your "stuff" ISF'ed and see what an Accurate picture looks like.\

AHHHHHHHHH.....



AVS can be a great place for great Information, but then at times, some members should not be on or posting at all.

I agree!! My colors via vga(samsung4092d) were borderline oversaturated, but with the latest update it just pushed it to far. Games are still ok with some looking better (GOW), but hd dvd is way to much color! AND there is NO way to adjust.

Or maybe you can just say fu*k both VGA and component and keep complaining in the meantime for MS to offer HDMI. Yeah I guess everyone needs to STFU and just enjoy the games at this point vs spending the energy bit*hing about somthing you don't have over and over and over and over and over........and over.

I didn't say a word about HDMI. That's your pet rant.

And I don't know if you've noticed, but complaining gets things fixed. The update to the update is proof. Complaining about the complaining over and over and over and over, however, does absolutely nothing.

So if you're happy with the way your stuff works, then I suggest you enjoy it and stay out of threads like this. I mean, seriously, nothing here applies to you, and you aren't helping. Your TV didn't do 1080p over VGA before the first update, it didn't do it after the second update, it never will do it.

I didn't say a word about HDMI. That's your pet rant.

And I don't know if you've noticed, but complaining gets things fixed. The update to the update is proof. Complaining about the complaining over and over and over and over, however, does absolutely nothing.

So if you're happy with the way your stuff works, then I suggest you enjoy it and stay out of threads like this. I mean, seriously, nothing here applies to you, and you aren't helping. Your TV didn't do 1080p over VGA before the first update, it didn't do it after the second update, it never will do it.


Then how about requesting to the OP and yourself to start posting the PROBLEMS in the sticky that was provided for this forum like the one up top that saids 1080P compatibility problems. That way none of us with problems don't have to see the same subject brought up over and over. Sound like a good fix to you? That is what the sticky is for.

ignore.

ignore.


Thats one fix

hdmi out can solve the above problems for the folks are you (ms) listening?

I'm sure they are listening, and laughing maniacally at all the people they fooled into thinking the current 360's could ever output digital video.

hdmi out can solve the above problems for the folks are you (ms) listening?HDMI can solve some of these problems, and then it'll go introduce whole new ones. Spend some time over in the Playstation area and read about HDMI handshake issues (among other things) and you'll see what I mean.

Good job Sony, you have succesfully made everyone want to sell their souls for 1080p and HDMI. :(

I agree!! My colors via vga(samsung4092d) were borderline oversaturated, but with the latest update it just pushed it to far. Games are still ok with some looking better (GOW), but hd dvd is way to much color! AND there is NO way to adjust.


i thought samsungs have plenty of image controls? does it go away for vga?

you still would be able to adjust all of the color settings by going into the service menu.

just don't mess with the things that you don't understand. i know that's not as convenient as the user menu but at least you still have options.

the sony service menus are written in greek

My Samsung HL-S6767 worked prefect with the 1080p over VGA and component before and still works great after the update.

On my samsung only the brightness and contrast remain as well as color temp. I would not even know where to begin when messing with the service menu. I know how to access it but but like your sony its all in greek.

HDMI can solve some of these problems, and then it'll go introduce whole new ones. Spend some time over in the Playstation area and read about HDMI handshake issues (among other things) and you'll see what I mean.

I am fully aware of handshake issue on PS3 especially on Westy.
Don't equate PS3 with 360, I expect more from 360 since it is a software company.

HDMI can solve some of these problems, and then it'll go introduce whole new ones. Spend some time over in the Playstation area and read about HDMI handshake issues (among other things) and you'll see what I mean.

The sooner they bring it out, they sooner they can get started on the issues that will likely pop up. I'd rather have it come out now, have some problems, and be fixed by Spring than wait until f'ing fall for it to come out and not have it fixed until 2008.

i thought samsungs have plenty of image controls? does it go away for vga?

Yeah, as much as I liked my Sammy 4695D, I wound up taking it back because I wasn't totally satisfied with it; one of the reasons being they neuter the amount of settings you can mess with via the VGA port.

Alot of you complain about a small difference in PQ.

Why the **** are you on this forum if precision picture quality isn't one of the things you are concerned with? There are hundreds of other gaming message boards that aren't concerned with stuff like this and will tell you that "graphics don't matter" :rolleyes: ...may I suggest starting with the Gamespot forums for the Wii?

Really, get a clue.

Oddly, this update messed up 1080 over component for my Panny, it now underscans vertically beyond correction.

Must be sonys Fault : )

Let me just ask you a straight up queston no BS. How "MUCH" of a PQ if any do you really think the picture on the display we both own is going to be if the VGA input did fill the screen in 1080P?

Why so much frustation about the VGA input when you have no clue how much difference the PQ will actually end up being. Is it really worth it for VGA to be that concerned about somthing that your display is probably doing the best it should be doing. I mean for 2 years now the XBR's are one of if not the best displays on the market in the category. What the heck do you think you might be missing from VGA hookup. Will it help you sleep better at night. Will it be a huge dissapointment if you got it to work and then realize "sh*t I don't see a difference"

For non film sources the difference will be substantial because the deinterlacing engines in 99.9% of consumer level displays do not have good quality deinterlacing algorithms. It is far better to have the 360 do the deinterlacing, which by the way, is only bettered by the $US3000+ Denon DVD player in terms of the HQV Benchmark performance.

I don't mean this in a harsh way but you come off loud and pretty opinionated when it's obvious you don't really have a deep understanding of the technicalities involved and you make claims as a result. Honestly it makes no difference if a PC inputs an EIA compliant signal or not - what matters is that it is an EIA compliant signal. The issue you have about it having to be a pc input is really just superstition.

The other point with this is that VGA does the standard definition upscaling whereas the component connections will not. This is a legal issue for MS. Yes again a display will have an internal scaling engine but it is not to be compared in 99% of consumer displays with what the AVIVO technology delivers from ATI.

I guess my vga is going back to BB, since I have the 60 kds-r60xbr2

Hi all,
Just stumbled upon this thread but quick question. We've established that the Sony SXRD (like the a2000 series) sets can't do 1080p over component and will only do 1080i. If this is true then will the TV itself upconvert to 1080p if fed a 1080i signal? Or will it actually be displayed at 1080i?

Is there even a noticable difference between the two?

Hi all,
Just stumbled upon this thread but quick question. We've established that the Sony SXRD (like the a2000 series) sets can't do 1080p over component and will only do 1080i. If this is true then will the TV itself upconvert to 1080p if fed a 1080i signal? Or will it actually be displayed at 1080i?

Is there even a noticable difference between the two?


XBR2 and XBR3 LCDS, and the SXRD LCOS projections(XBR1, XBR2, and A2000) from Sony are all native 1080P. No matter what you plug into it you are watching 1080P. So yes it does upconvert.

My latest xbox 360 which is number 5 all together has HDMI output, but I don't have an HDMI amp so I think I need to get the dragon VGA cable and plug my optical into it and then an HDMI cable to my TV. The component AV pack from MS blocks the HDMI port, obviously done on purpose as a cash grab for their overpriced HDMI AV pack with optical port.

The new update plays Divx just fine unless my dash is set to 1080p. If my dash is set to 1080p any widescreen divx display in their stock resolution as in a smaller window. 4:3 material displays just fine. If I set the 360 to 1080i or 720p then widescreen divx will display properly.

I burned all the 1080p WMVHD clips from MS' site to a DVDR and then played it in the 360 with the dash set to 1080p and it displayed perfectly.