Did the Shooter release change since 2007?

I have the original 2007 version and can scan that if you want...

Thanks Phloyd. That would be amazing. Could you please scan Shooter and post the stats ? Looks like we have a race condition (Cinema Squid vs Phloyd).:D

I just started on Immortal Beloved, will do Shooter next...

Cheers!

Thanks a ton Phloyd. :)Let's see if the high bit rate claim on Shooter is true.:confused:

Thanks Phloyd. That would be amazing. Could you please scan Shooter and post the stats ? Looks like we have a race condition (Cinema Squid vs Phloyd).:D
That's fine by me - I'll end up scanning it anyway for my own purposes, but I don't need to have the "scoop" so to speak. Oh yeah and since I've never seen it, I'll actually be watching it at some point over the weekend as well. :)

Thanks Cinema Squid. Shooter better be high bit rate else be prepared to be shot at.:D

Zodiac Blu-ray (Warner)

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=814

zonadvd reports 15,73 Mbps as the video bit rate which is 3.03 Mbps lower than the HD DVD AVBR.:o

I just started on Immortal Beloved, will do Shooter next...

Cheers!

Are you ripping to your hard drive then scanning? It will go many times faster if you do.

Cinema Squid- Is there a way that you can have BDInfo give you the peak bitrates for each track? I think this will help determine if 5.1 tracks are 24/16 bits. Also we can see if Warner is finally doing BD specific encodes.

Cinema Squid- Is there a way that you can have BDInfo give you the peak bitrates for each track? I think this will help determine if 5.1 tracks are 24/16 bits. Also we can see if Warner is finally doing BD specific encodes.
I think this should be doable. I'll experiment around with calculating peak bitrates this weekend to see if I can get reasonably accurate numbers.

That's fine by me - I'll end up scanning it anyway for my own purposes, but I don't need to have the "scoop" so to speak. Oh yeah and since I've never seen it, I'll actually be watching it at some point over the weekend as well. :)

Yeah I haven't watched it either.

Not super interested in the 'scoop' so to speak - just want to help out.

Anwyays... this is what I got:


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Shooter MPEG-2 2:05:41 30,405,734,400 39,058,040,880 32.25 28.36 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps


I have a feeling lgans will be disappointed...

Also,


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Immortal Beloved MPEG-2 2:00:45 30,744,496,128 33,694,351,376 33.95 23.40 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 4334Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) Dolby TrueHD 5.1 4326Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) (French)


I have around 200 discs so if there are titles people specifically want info on there is perhaps 1/3 chance I have it :D

I think this should be doable. I'll experiment around with calculating peak bitrates this weekend to see if I can get reasonably accurate numbers.

I guess we need to define what peak means... ie, bitrate over what period.

For video perhaps a GOP is a reasonable period - or maybe too long a period?

Anyone else have any thoughts on what time frame a peak should be measured over?

Thanks a lot Phloyd for posting the stats for Shooter. I am indeed a tad disappointed but 28.36 Mbps is well above the AVBRs of Black Hawk Down, Flyboys and Kingdom of Heaven.:)

I found out something strange. The BD extras seem to have occupied about 8 GB in comparison to the 6 GB consumed by HD DVD. Was even the extras presented in higher bit rate ?:D

Version: U.S.A
Format: Blu-ray
MPEG-2 BD-50
2:05:41
Movie size: 30,405,734,400
Disc size: 39,058,040,880
Average Video Bit Rate: 28.36 Mbps
DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps

Extras:
(*)Survival of the Fittest: Making of Shooter
(*)Independence Hall
(*)Deleted Scenes

Version: U.S.A
Format: HD DVD
MPEG-4 AVC HD-30
2:05:37
Movie size: 22,523,803,648
Disc size: 28,782,408,985
Average Video Bit Rate: 20.48 Mbps
DDPlus 5.1 1536Kbps


Thanks a lot guys for keeping this thread so busy.:cool:

I guess we need to define what peak means... ie, bitrate over what period.

For video perhaps a GOP is a reasonable period - or maybe too long a period?

Anyone else have any thoughts on what time frame a peak should be measured over?

I assumed it would naturally be for a second since we're measuring in Mbps?

DGIndex (MPEG-2) and DGAVCIndex (AVC) give min/max/avg bitrates. I do seem to recall their max being lower than peaks I saw with the PS3 meter so perhaps they are using a different period of time.

I wouldn't call the bit rate meter on the PS3 totally inaccurate as I did a comparison with the bit rates displayed by some BD recorders out here and all of them displayed similar bit rates. However there may be some amount of inaccuracy which I think would be in a very small range.

The PS3's video bitrate meter constantly and evenly overshoots a disc's actual video rate. I've seen video peaks for brief stretches on the PS3 hit 48 Mbps which should be impossible on Blu-ray. I think people will be in the right ballpark if they subtract 2 to 3 Mbps for the average seen from a PS3 and possibly more on peaks.

The PS3's video bitrate meter constantly and evenly overshoots a disc's actual video rate. I've seen video peaks for brief stretches on the PS3 hit 48 Mbps which should be impossible on Blu-ray.

It's been discussed before that it's actually not impossible.

Brandon

What's up with the sub-25GB disc size of The Enforcer and Sudden Impact?? Aren't all these Dirty Harry movies supposed to be BD50s?

This thread absolutely rocks 'coz of you fellas. Expresses and Exposes the inconvenient truth.:D

Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ----------------- ---------------------
There Will Be Blood VC-1 2:38:25 40,161,970,176 48,617,189,620 33.80 26.07 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 4758Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps

Interesting.. The time stamp on the main video file is dated 3/19/2008 but there are files with timestamps of 2/29/08... Most of the files are dated 4/2/2008 so thats when it must have been authored. When did Toshiba announce the folding of HD DVD? Found it (2/19/2008) It seems like they started working on this around the that time, or maybe even earlier.


DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
Advertised
Total Video Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------- ----------------------- ---------------------
Man on Fire AVC 2:26:05 40,202,883,072 42,805,454,642 36.69 29.92 29 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1

It's nice of Paramount to max out "There Will Be Blood" on a BD-50. I really hope they do this for all their future releases.

Well they wouldn't have had to wait until the official announcement. HDDVD was effectively dead with Warner's announcement on 1/4. Amazingly this movie did not even have its wide theatrical release yet at that point. And this was an important film for them so not surprising they got working on it as soon as they could.

Yeah, my poorly written point was that people were worried that Paramount was going to write off HDM completely after the fall of HD DVD. However, they had been working on it from the beginning, even when there were reports that they still were contractually tied to Toshiba.

Well I don't have Dirty Harry yet but I ran 3 of the other movies thru xport. They hit a peak of 29Mbps many times but never go over. There is no way that could be an HDDVD encode unless it had no audio. So I guess it is a BD encode, yet its still constrained by HDDVDs video limit. :rolleyes:
You know they did this same thing when they were doing BD specific MPEG2 encodes in the beginning.

mpeg2repair log for Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
MPEG2Repair: G:\kiss kiss.ts


Sequence Frame 147744(3-B) / Time 1:42:42 :
Info: End of MPEG2 sequence

Sequence Summary:

File Size Processed: 14.27 GB, Play Time: 01h:42m:42s
1920 x 1080, 23.98 fps, 30.00 Mbps (17.29 Mbps Average).
Average Video Quality: 88.02 KB/Frame, 0.35 Bits/Pixel.
AC3 Audio: 3/2 Channels (L, C, R, SL, SR) + LFE, 48.0 kHz, 640 kbps.
Dialog Normalization: -27.0 dB, Center Mix Level: -3.0 dB, Surround Mix Level: -3.0 dB
0 of 147744 video frames found with errors.
0 of 192567 audio frames found with errors.
0 corrupted video bytes in file.
0.000000 seconds of video timestamp gaps.
0.000000 seconds of audio timestamp gaps.

End of Log

Now for Fox's Butch Cassidy
MPEG2Repair: G:\butch cassidy.ts


Sequence Frame 158880(6-B) / Time 1:50:26 :
Info: End of MPEG2 sequence

Sequence Summary:

File Size Processed: 25.50 GB, Play Time: 01h:50m:26s
1920 x 1080, 23.98 fps, 38.00 Mbps (32.07 Mbps Average).
Average Video Quality: 163.26 KB/Frame, 0.64 Bits/Pixel.
AC3 Audio: 2/0 Channels (L, R), 48.0 kHz, 224 kbps.
Dialog Normalization: -27.0 dB
0 of 158880 video frames found with errors.
0 of 207081 audio frames found with errors.
0 corrupted video bytes in file.
0.000000 seconds of video timestamp gaps.
0.000000 seconds of audio timestamp gaps.

End of Log

30Mbps peak on Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, and 38Mbps peak on Butch Cassidy.

Interesting.. The time stamp on the main video file is dated 3/19/2008 but there are files with timestamps of 2/29/08... Most of the files are dated 4/2/2008 so thats when it must have been authored. When did Toshiba announce the folding of HD DVD? Found it (2/19/2008) It seems like they started working on this around the that time, or maybe even earlier.

Shall be informing about this to people who were slamming and badmouthing Paramount.

Benes
Video Bitrate: 33.67

DGAVCIndex
Bitrate (Avg): 32.880
Bitrate (Max): 53.064

Re: Peak bitrates and whether >48Mbps video is possible, stats for Cast Away. I can't speak to how DGAVCIndex calculates this but the Doom9 forums may say.

Something else I saw: DVDCompare says that the R1 DVD had a DTS-ES 6.1 track so I wonder why the BD only got 5.1?

LPCM (uncompressed) 16-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Signs AVC 1:46:30 30,361,669,632 38,909,174,642 38.01 24.48 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps

Other Audio Tracks: Japanese LPCM 5.1 48kHz/16-bit, Japanese AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps, French AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps, Spanish AC3 2.0 256Kbps.

Subtitles: English (SDH), English, French, Japanese, Spanish

Benes
Video Bitrate: 33.67

DGAVCIndex
Bitrate (Avg): 32.880
Bitrate (Max): 53.064


It is simply not possible for the bitrate of the mux to go beyond 48.

Anything that says it does as a very broken bitrate calculation.

If every possible available packet contained video it would be 48. More than 48 is beyond the capacity of the system clock rate.

If you've ever used xport it shows a real time bitrate meter while it is demuxing. It never goes above 40 (or 30 for HDDVD encodes) and far as I can tell it is completely accurate. Unfortunately it never reports what the highest bitrate was so you have to sit and watch the meter and see how high it goes. This is a good place to start for figuring out peak bitrates. I believe the source code is available too.
I poked around inside the xport source today in order to see how it is performing its running average calculations and its method for doing this is interesting. It uses a rolling window of sample data to perform the running bitrate calculation (like probably most tools do), but its window is rather large: 300 frames (or about 12.5 seconds of video for 24p)! This provides the expected under 30Mbps peaks for Warner titles, but if I modify the xport rolling window to be 24 frames (1 second) then occasional spikes from mid-30's to low 40's Mbps pop up. Essentially, increasing the size of the rolling window smooths out the peaks making them approach the average bitrate, while shrinking the window makes for more dramatic spikes (and thus higher measured peaks).

It is simply not possible for the bitrate of the mux to go beyond 48..
Well, in theory, I believe that any bitrate is possible. If you never increment the program clock and presentation/display timestamps then you can achieve a bitrate approaching infinity! However, I agree that in practice any measured peak bitrate above 48 for a Blu-ray has to call into question the measuring tool.

For video perhaps a GOP is a reasonable period - or maybe too long a period?
Using GOP boundaries to demarcate the peak measurements seems like the ideal solution since it should give the most consistent "apples-to-apples" comparison for each measured chunk. It seems to me that any rolling window technique is going to be busted by nature for detecting peaks, since you are going to periodically hit the case where the window is maximally jammed with I-frames which will unfairly claim the peaks.

It is simply not possible for the bitrate of the mux to go beyond 48.


Don't tell NewLine.:D
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13706704#post13706704

Guys,

This comes from the bottom of my heart. I really appreciate benes, Cinema Squid, msgohan, Patsfan, Phloyd and others for making this the most useful thread in this forum. Hats off fellas and keep up the good work.

It is simply not possible for the bitrate of the mux to go beyond 48.

Anything that says it does as a very broken bitrate calculation.

If every possible available packet contained video it would be 48. More than 48 is beyond the capacity of the system clock rate.

I thought BD's spec allowed peaks of 54Mbps.

In another thread Paidgeek hinted that buffering data caused the peaks above 40Mbps.

Another post got me wondering: does having a Profile 1.1 PiP track limit the video and audio of the main feature to less than the ordinary max, so that the combo read doesn't exceed the max and stutter?

I'll try Cast Away in MPEG2Repair.

Quick question everyone:

Pretty new to Bluray, ad have a quick question on TrueHD discs.

I was thinking of picking up Immortal beloved, and I saw that the Audio track is Dolby TrueHD.
My reciever is only Dolby EX/DTS-ES. Will the disc still play/downconvert, or do I need to upgrade the reciever?

Quick question everyone:

Pretty new to Bluray, ad have a quick question on TrueHD discs.

I was thinking of picking up Immortal beloved, and I saw that the Audio track is Dolby TrueHD.
My reciever is only Dolby EX/DTS-ES. Will the disc still play/downconvert, or do I need to upgrade the reciever?

All TrueHD tracks come with companion Dolby Digital tracks so you are all set. Sometimes they are hidden, so if you select TrueHD it automatically sends out the DD track.

Well, in theory, I believe that any bitrate is possible. If you never increment the program clock and presentation/display timestamps then you can achieve a bitrate approaching infinity!

Haha - yes well, I guess if you throw the spec out the window anything is possible.

To be clear, my reference to 48 Mbps being the maximum is based on the time stamp resolution for incoming packets. Based on the clock rate and the minimum increment that Blu-ray uses for the time stamp, the mux bitrate can't go beyond 48.

If you ignored the minimum increment and used a smaller time step, you could.

Of course, this is from the TS perspective - from the display perspective you could also cheat the time stamps as you say and have higher bitrates, but you would have to starve the bitrate later in order to keep the average rational.

Perhaps the thing to do is to find out how deep the minimum buffer is in a player decoder - since that length is probably what the bitrate requirements are based on.

D'oh, I guess MPEG2Repair only gives average bitrates for AVC.

I ran xport and saw it hit this several times:
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/273/castawaytsrateml8.png

Should I assume that ts_rate is the mux rate including all video, audio, subtitle tracks? Or am I supposed to be looking at something else?

I ran xport and saw it hit this several times:
...

Should I assume that ts_rate is the mux rate including all video, audio, subtitle tracks? Or am I supposed to be looking at something else?
The "ts rate" is just showing the 48Mbps theoretical bitrate maximum according to the clock. For whatever reason, xport does not show the running average video bitrate when you use the "parse only" -ph option, but it will show up if you actually do the extraction (with just -h): it will be shown as "video rate" to the right of "ts rate".

Also, don't forget to delete the resulting .mpv and .mpa files after doing this, since they can take up a lot of space!

The "ts rate" is just showing the 48Mbps theoretical bitrate maximum according to the clock.

Actually it changes constantly during the scan, but that was the max I saw. Unless I'm misunderstanding you since I don't get "according to the clock."

xport may not show the live bitrate meter for AVC. Forgot to mention that. :p

Indeed! I happened to hit Print Screen when it dropped to the lowest ts_rate I saw this time (just checking the very start of the file, mind you):
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2741/castawaytsrate2bl3.png

Guess we'll have to wait for a BDInfo update to see the peak video rate. :D

Actually it changes constantly during the scan, but that was the max I saw. Unless I'm misunderstanding you since I don't get "according to the clock."
Apologies for the misinformation - benes is correct about xport not showing the AVC video bitrate sometimes and you are correct that the TS rate is showing the variable rate for the whole mux (video, audio, subtitles, etc.).

I'll have to play around with detecting the GOP boundaries, but I suspect it will be kind of a PITA. I did have some thoughts about how to approach this, however, so we'll see.

Apologies for the misinformation - benes is correct about xport not showing the AVC video bitrate sometimes and you are correct that the TS rate is showing the variable rate for the whole mux (video, audio, subtitles, etc.).

Surprised that they actually let it hit the ceiling pretty often, then. While you're clearing things up could you explain this please:

It seems to me that any rolling window technique is going to be busted by nature for detecting peaks, since you are going to periodically hit the case where the window is maximally jammed with I-frames which will unfairly claim the peaks.

If they shove a bunch of large I-frames into one second, wouldn't you want to see that as a peak?

If they shove a bunch of large I-frames into one second, wouldn't you want to see that as a peak?
From the perspective looking at a repeating sequence of frames by sliding ahead one frame at a time, you run into bumps that probably shouldn't be representative of the peak.

As a simplified example, say that the group of pictures sequence is ABBA where A is a "big" frame like an I-frame and B is a "small" interpolated frame. If the window size is 6 frames, then you are going to get the following different window measurements:

Window 1: ABBA|AB (3 A, 3 B)
Window 2: BBA|ABB (2 A, 4 B)
Window 3: BA|ABBA (3 A, 3 B)
Window 4: A|ABBA|A (4 A, 2 B)

Window 1 and Window 3 should be roughly representative of the true peak since they have a proportion of A and B frames that match the proportion in the GOP. However, Window 2 has too many B frames and Window 4 has too many A frames so these would likely skew lower and higher respectively of the true peak.

EDIT: I probably should have called my hypothetical B-frames "motion estimated" or "motion compensated" instead of interpolated, but whatever. :)

So Jumper has a new version of BD+ that AnyDVD cannot crack yet..

Cinema Squid- BDInfo refuses to show the report for Jumper. I haven't done the full scan but when I click View Report, nothing happens. I tried this with Patton and it works fine.. This is v.0.2.2 btw.

Benes- Does it matter if BD+ is still active when you scan bitrates? I noticed that you put up Fantastic Four 2 and the Die Hards up before BD+ was cracked. Did you see if the distortion caused by BD+ affected the scanned bitrates at all?
Also I think we should amend the list to include the following info: Profile 1.1 enabled, country the disc comes from if it is labeled EU, and Distributor. I think that will make the list better.

DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
Advertised
Total Video Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------- ----------------------- ---------------------
Jumper AVC 1:28:29 27,016,445,952 43,779,808,800 40.71 32.16 35 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1

Cinema Squid- BDInfo refuses to show the report for Jumper. I haven't done the full scan but when I click View Report, nothing happens.
Thanks for the heads up - sounds like the bug might be caused by missing info that BDInfo expects to be present which is causing the report generation to blow up. I'll see if I can reproduce this with some other discs, but I wouldn't be surprised if it went away once AnyDVD has a patch for Jumper.

Also I just noticed that the PiP encode shows up as DTS-HD Audio.. Very strange. However this all might be because the protection isn't fully removed.. Just wanted to give you the heads up.

Surprised that they actually let it hit the ceiling pretty often, then.

There is no harm in it :D

PiP audio can be either DD+ or DTS-HD. It wouldn't be surprising for Fox to use DTS-HD.


No I mean, if you look at the attachment it doesn't show up as video. It shows up as DTS-HD Audio 480p/23.974fps.

There is no harm in it :D

I guess not, but one thing I was thinking of is this it must be hard do the VBR video encode with VBR audio and let the overall rate hit the limit without going over.

BTW, the 480p stream muxed into the main movie appears as "DTS-HD Audio" in v0.2.2.

Yes, it says that for NT2 and Untraceable. However when you have eac3to scan the playlist it says this seems to not be a valid track and disappears. That seems to be a phantom track because the secondary audio is usually a DD 2.0 track.

Not just an issue with "Jumper". :)

Edit: I do agree with Patsfan123's suggestion for adding more info, though I think Profile 1.1 is already taken care of in the list? I'd also like to see the confirmed region coding added.

No I mean, if you look at the attachment it doesn't show up as video. It shows up as DTS-HD Audio 480p/23.974fps.
Yeah, I don't know what the heck is going on there. Hopefully I will be able to get Jumper from Netflix in short order to investigate (not really sure that I want to blind buy it). I think I may have seen another title do this, but now I'm not sure which. I'll have to flip through my recent reports from 1.1 PiP titles to see.

I do agree with Patsfan123's suggestion for adding more info, though I think Profile 1.1 is already taken care of in the list? I'd also like to see the confirmed region coding added.
I would love to add region detection to BDInfo, but it seems much more complicated than simply examining the disc - I believe you need a full Java interpreter, since the region code can also be set in BD-J (I think).

Is there a good tool/method for reliably detecting region code on a disc (without permanently setting a player to region B)? I haven't investigated this too much...

Also, I think it would be useful to start posting the specs from the dubbed foreign language audio tracks in this thread, although they don't necessarily have to make into the OP.

benes,

You forgot to add the specs for Signs in the main list.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14040551#post14040551

xport is doing some weird things with The Shining. It says the M2TS has sections with 59.94, 60, 23.976, and 29.97... and picture widths of 4000+. It also said the ts_rate was 48M at one point.

Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ----------------- ---------------------
Twister VC-1 1:53:02 21,806,426,112 27,898,622,420 25.72 18.96 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3928Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps

BDInfo reported this as 24 bit, but its not. I tried it with eac3to and it was 16bit. I also watched the bitrate meter during heavy action scenes and it hovered around 2.5-3Mbps. I don't know why the average was so high.

IIRC, there is a difference between HD DVD and BD TrueHD - the BD is a later version where the HD DVD was just traditional MLP...? Something like that.

Which was part of the reason that TrueHD on HD DVD titles had DD on the BD titles... like Happy Feet.

Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ----------------- ---------------------
Twister VC-1 1:53:02 21,806,426,112 27,898,622,420 25.72 18.96 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3928Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps

BDInfo reported this as 24 bit, but its not. I tried it with eac3to and it was 16bit. I also watched the bitrate meter during heavy action scenes and it hovered around 2.5-3Mbps. I don't know why the average was so high.

3928Kbps for a 16-bit title [from Warner] seems quite unusual.

Thanks Patsfan123. Another 22 GB wasted.:p I guessed 20 Mbps AVBR and I was close.

3928Kbps for a 16-bit title [from Warner] seems quite unusual.
That does seem pretty high, but I trust eac3to's method of evaluation. They may as well gone with a 4608Kbps 16-bit uncompressed LPCM track with that kind of measly compression ratio - the disc space is certainly there. At any rate, Twister seems like it would be a good title for testing out peak audio bitrate measurements, since its TrueHD bitrate seems to imply that it flirts very close with a 4608Kbps peak.

I should have some new stats tomorrow or Saturday for The Other Boleyn Girl and Prison Break Season 1. Doing these TV shows is a pain!

That does seem pretty high, but I trust eac3to's method of evaluation. They may as well gone with a 4608Kbps 16-bit uncompressed LPCM track with that kind of measly compression ratio - the disc space is certainly there. At any rate, Twister seems like it would be a good title for testing out peak audio bitrate measurements, since its TrueHD bitrate seems to imply that it flirts very close with a 4608Kbps peak.

I should have some new stats tomorrow or Saturday for The Other Boleyn Girl and Prison Break Season 1. Doing these TV shows is a pain!

Idk what the deal is because on my PS3, the bitrate fluctuated between 2-3. I barely even saw it break 3. But it does seem to have a DD track embedded in the TrueHD eventhough there is a separate track, which may account for the extra bitrate.

3928-640 = 3,280 Kbps still slightly on the higher side for a 16-bit DTHD from Warner.

3928-640 = 3,280 Kbps still slightly on the higher side for a 16-bit DTHD from Warner.

Is that an average or a peak? I think I saw V and Twister peak there. But just glancing at my PS3 bitrate meter. That seems like a really high average for a W title.

Does V have a similar average?
The average for V sounds about right.

Is that an average or a peak? I think I saw V and Twister peak there. But just glancing at my PS3 bitrate meter. That seems like a really high average for a W title.

Does V have a similar average?

Thats the average, V was around 2600Kbps according to this thread.

Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Other Boleyn Girl AVC 1:55:18 29,258,219,520 43,069,511,244 33.83 23.95 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 2643Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)

NOTE: I am double-checking the TrueHD track with eac3to right now to confirm 16-bit.
EDIT: 16-bit was confirmed with eac3to.


DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Weeds Season 3 Disc 1 (Episodes 1-8) AVC 3:36:40 45,767,940,096 48,168,572,352 28.16 21.99 DTS-HD Master 7.1 4657Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Weeds Season 3 Disc 2 (Episodes 9-15) AVC 2:56:01 41,149,427,712 47,146,190,108 31.17 24.99 DTS-HD Master 7.1 4569Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

NOTE: Lossless 7.1 24-bit audio on a television comedy - hello overkill (not that I'm complaining)!


DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 16-bit*/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Prison Break Season 1 Disc 1 (Episodes 1-4) AVC 2:55:50 45,453,606,912 45,981,326,282 34.47 28.15 DTS-HD Master 5.1 4380Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Prison Break Season 1 Disc 2 (Episodes 5-8) AVC 2:54:34 43,096,098,816 43,441,254,648 32.92 28.60 DTS-HD Master 5.1 2559Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)
Prison Break Season 1 Disc 3 (Episodes 9-12) AVC 2:54:57 43,046,565,888 43,890,977,054 32.80 28.66 DTS-HD Master 5.1 2507Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)
Prison Break Season 1 Disc 4 (Episodes 13-16) AVC 2:54:41 43,954,833,408 45,045,754,812 33.54 29.34 DTS-HD Master 5.1 2487Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)
Prison Break Season 1 Disc 5 (Episodes 17-20) AVC 2:54:23 43,394,144,256 44,129,204,896 33.18 29.10 DTS-HD Master 5.1 2479Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)
Prison Break Season 1 Disc 6 (Episodes 21-22) AVC 1:26:32 21,687,220,224 40,704,171,396 33.41 29.28 DTS-HD Master 5.1 2543Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)

NOTE: Judging from the bitrates, it appears that the DTS-MA tracks are 24-bit on Prison Break Disc 1 (Episodes 1-4), but 16-bit on Discs 2-6 (Episodes 5-22). Not sure what the deal with that is.

Lossless 7.1 24-bit audio on a television comedy - hello overkill (not that I'm complaining)!

Warner are you listening ?:D

Good work on the software Cinema Squid. I will be using it in the future :)

Friends,

Please add the below stats provided by Xylon to the list.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14086547#post14086547

Good work on the software Cinema Squid. I will be using it in the future :)
Thanks! While we're patting ourselves on the back, I should mention that I find your comparison picture threads to be extremely useful and informative. Although I'm the kind of person that mostly picks up discs based on content and rewatchability regardless of stats or video/audio quality, it's great to have all of these resources here to dive into the details beneath the surface.

DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
Advertised
Total Video Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------- ----------------------- ---------------------
Be Kind Rewind VC-1 1:41:43 16,816,527,360 23,064,729,188 22.04 16.00 DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 4937Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

Note: The NL logo and main feature's core audio is DTS ES 6.1. I don't know if this is a new thing or not because I have no other NL discs to test.

I'm a little dismayed at the average video bitrate for "Be Kind Rewind". I haven't seen this movie but those figures would be the lowest yet for a New Line title. Has Warner taken over compression duties for New Line titles? Say it isn't so...

I'm a little dismayed at the average video bitrate for "Be Kind Rewind". I haven't seen this movie but those figures would be the lowest yet for a New Line title. Has Warner taken over compression duties for New Line titles? Say it isn't so...

You are wrong buddy.

Hairspray - 13.99 Mbps
Rush Hour 3 - 15.86 Mbps
Pan's Labyrinth - 15.76 Mbps

DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Signal AVC 1:43:23 20,369,498,112 24,221,095,607 26.27 20.00 DTS-HD Master 5.1 4136Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps

I'm a little dismayed at the average video bitrate for "Be Kind Rewind". I haven't seen this movie but those figures would be the lowest yet for a New Line title. Has Warner taken over compression duties for New Line titles? Say it isn't so...

Def done by New Line, there are many ways to tell such as the audio track for one. The presence of an opening menu, the NL logo before the menu, the NL logos all over the menus, and the credits to the people who produced the disc. It seems like the NL Blu-ray production is still be handled separate from WB's. Once we start seeing discs without DTS-HD MA, we'll know there's been a change. Even Harold and Kumar 1 has DTS-HD MA.

Yes. Confirmed by mhafner but he also mentioned it can be slightly eliminated on a 1:1 pixel mapped 1080p display.

I was able to spot the aliasing on few scenes though the overall presentation looked terrific.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1030504

I don't have this disk so I can't check but would appreciate if the reviewer would have a look at the same scenes where the HD-DVD/UK BD had jaggies documented, and confirm that the jaggies are gone on a 1:1 pixel mapped 1080p display.

I'm sitting 4.5m away but on my 3.5m wide screen the jaggies are easy to see. As suspected the master tape is screwed. Pity since this is a Genesis HD production that could look almost flawless.

DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Meet the Spartans AVC 1:26:25 18,259,494,912 23,350,364,220 28.17 21.11 DTS-HD Master 5.1 4422Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

NOTE: Oh god...my brain...it hurts...

Def done by New Line, there are many ways to tell such as the audio track for one. The presence of an opening menu, the NL logo before the menu, the NL logos all over the menus, and the credits to the people who produced the disc. It seems like the NL Blu-ray production is still be handled separate from WB's. Once we start seeing discs without DTS-HD MA, we'll know there's been a change. Even Harold and Kumar 1 has DTS-HD MA.

Keep in mind Blu-ray production are done many many months in advance.

I was told at CES that BD versions of theatrical films were going through the planning stages and these were for films now just recently out (within the last couple months...and remember CES was the beginning of January).

It will take some time before we see New Line releases authored start to finish completely under Warner.

Courtesy: Xylon

SWEENEY TODD (Import)

24 Mbps AVBR & 3.4 Mbps AABR are quite good numbers for a Warner title.


Name: 00000.mpls
Size: 29,153,937,408 bytes
Length: 1:56:22 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 33.40 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00000.M2TS 29,153,937,408 1:56:22 0:00:00 1:56:22

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 23828 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD Audio English 3339 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio German 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio Italian 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz

Does the Next Blu-ray have the same jaggies as the HDDVD?

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I took this from the US BD.
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Courtesy: Xylon
24 Mbps AVBR & 3.4 Mbps AABR are quite good numbers for a Warner title.
What movie is that?

Anyway, here's a group of 16-bit LPCM titles:

LPCM (uncompressed) 16-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Big Hit MPEG-2 1:31:23 19,797,467,136 21,360,965,334 28.88 20.69 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
A Knight's Tale MPEG-2 2:12:08 24,047,167,488 24,775,289,604 24.26 17.25 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps
Seven Years in Tibet AVC 2:16:08 37,593,268,224 39,401,848,824 36.82 28.98 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Wild Things AVC 1:54:46 23,963,510,784 24,455,261,408 27.84 20.40 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps

What movie is that?

Sweeney Todd (Import) :o

Are the core tracks also 16bit? Either way I guess I will put the whole shebang under 24bit.
All the Prison Break core 1.5 Mbps DTS tracks report themselves as 24-bit, but it's hard to say how much that is worth. DTS tracks that honestly report themselves as coming from a 16-bit source are hard to come by...

If you are using Firefox 3 it looks like it screws up the list formatting. :(

Are you using the beta? I was going through it with the one released yesterday and it looks normal to me.

Wait- with Sunshine and Transporter it is doing something funny with the spacing. It looks like it's mostly Fox titles that are doing it in the 24bit MA area.

Use safari - looks much more slick and the font looks better, I'm still on the fence about which one I like more.

Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ----------------- ---------------------
Broken Trail - Part 1 AVC 1:32:52 21,707,606,016 45,784,929,136 31.16 22.25 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 2981Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Part 2 AVC 1:31:15 21,137,375,232 30.88 22.05 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 2893Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps

I saw a peak of 38~40 Mbps on my PS3 for Sweeney Todd.

I forget what you decided for overseas releases. You can change it to EU if necessary, but this is only available in the Netherlands at the moment.

DTS (lossy compression) 16-bit/48kHz
Dutch FilmWorks


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
(NL) The Neverending Story VC-1 1:33:56 22,315,192,320 22,394,191,808 31.67 27.91 DTS 5.1 1536Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps


Note: Both audio tracks are in English. The disc has removable Dutch subtitles, English pop-up menu, and that's it! Not even a full menu. The rest of the space is taken up by copyright/studio logo vids.

hi guys,
apolozies for the question ,if i ask before

which one is better to choose to keep when using tsmuxer lpcm or ac3 on bluray!!!!!!???

thank you so much in advance

LPCM is uncompressed, AC3 is lossy. Uncompressed should give you better quality but with much higher filesize.

(NL) The Neverending Story
Note: Both audio tracks are in English.
Here I go complaining that all DTS I examine report 24-bit and you throw out a new counterexample! Did you scan this disc with BDInfo and did it report 16-bit? I just wanted to make sure I had that detection working for stand-alone and core DTS tracks.

Curious that it is so rare for US releases to have DTS marked as 16-bit, but it seems to popup in EU releases occasionally. I wonder if this has anything to do with stricter EU "truth in advertising" laws?

LPCM is uncompressed, AC3 is lossy. Uncompressed should give you better quality but with much higher filesize.

thankyou

bd movies 200
hddvd 5

Here I go complaining that all DTS I examine report 24-bit and you throw out a new counterexample! Did you scan this disc with BDInfo and did it report 16-bit? I just wanted to make sure I had that detection working for stand-alone and core DTS tracks.

Yup just copied and pasted from BDInfo.

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Eye AVC 1:36:33 18,223,282,176 22,752,971,804 25.16 17.77 DTS-HD Master 7.1 5022Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 5.1-EX 448Kbps

Could the software be modified to report the average video bitrate of each individual chapter also? I think this information could be useful comparing certain scenes. If its too much work just ignore this request.

Nice change request but I guess it may be tough to implement.

I was actually thinking about doing something like that for a future revision when I was exploring the peak bitrate calculation. I've been a little distracted by other things, but it will likely make its way to the front of the work queue again.

I definitely want to at least include a list of the playlist chapter time markers as part of the report. These are not there now because the chapter markers are conveniently stored at the end of the MPLS file (after all the info that is used to generate the current report), so I decided to skip processing them for the initial version of BDInfo.

I was thinking it would be cool to generate a visual graph of average and/or peak bitrates over the course of the movie similar to those shown in DVDBeaver reviews with the chapter markers added as reference points on the timeline, but just having these numbers per chapter in the text report sounds like a much better first step.

A visual graph would be amazing. There is a tiny DVD bitrate scanner that does it, and its pretty nice to see where they give the most bits.

Is the AC3 track in English? From what I see online it only has French and Spanish AC3 along with a Visually Impaired English track.
Good catch - I just popped the disc in and the secondary AC-3 5.1-EX is indeed a descriptive audio track for the visually impaired.

For example: "Two men in surgical garb walk outside past the room while she reaches up to feel the bandage over her eyes. As she does so, you can totally see one of her nipples as it pushes against the thin hospital gown."

OK, well maybe not exactly like that... :p

Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ----------------- ---------------------
So I Married an Axe Murderer AVC 1:33:24 21,544,433,664 22,362,940,188 30.75 20.00 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 2836Kbps DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps

There is no need for 3 TrueHD tracks taking up 9Mbps..

LPCM (uncompressed) 24-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ----------------- ---------------------
Justin Timberlake:Futuresex/Loveshow(1080i59.94)VC-1 2:14:09 43,159,590,912 43,432,137,244 42.90 30.92 LPCM 5.1 6912Kbps LPCM 2.0 2304Kbps 24-bit / DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps

I also figured out the the alignment problems with Firefox 3 have to do with the new Zoom feature under the View menu. If you make the text larger it lines up again, before it would only change the size of the text, but now it changes the size of pictures too if you want. Somehow this new scaling feature seems like it affects the size of text at the "Normal" setting. It seems like it is scaling the text up slightly, when it was untouched in the past. Some one mind shooting off an email to Firefox support to inform them of the issue?

I noticed that but there is still a spacing issue with long titles even when changing the zoom. Look at AVP2 and Narnia for example.

Yeah, they need to go back to their Firefox 2 code and figure out why it doesn't scale right in Firefox 3.

Yeah, they need to go back to their Firefox 2 code and figure out why it doesn't scale right in Firefox 3.
Is it possible that they changed the number of spaces allocated to a tab character in the new version? I didn't notice any problems with Firefox 3 on my Mac, but I can check from Windows as well to see if it behaves any differently. I guess it's off-topic and completely destroys my geek credibility, but I've never liked the Firefox browser and greatly prefer Safari and IE in that order.

I guess it's off-topic and completely destroys my geek credibility, but I've never liked the Firefox browser and greatly prefer Safari and IE in that order.

I like Safari the best too, and I'm a PC user. I think Firefox 3 might have borrowed a bit from it.;

Squid- I just visited your site for the first time. Very useful. Could you make it widescreen scalable? And why isn't there studio information on the grid?
I had to bookmark it, it's a real resource. Thanks for info.:)

Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ----------------- ---------------------
10,000 BC VC-1 1:48:55 18,644,281,344 20,400,127,760 22.82 16.43 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3264Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps

Notes: This is a BD25 obviously. Also this is a BD specific encode, I saw video peaks of at least 36Mbps in the 2 mins I skimmed it. I don't know why they left 5 gigs of the disc empty though, the video ABR could have been ~22Mbps if they filled it. The disc is label 10000_BC_NA_UK so those of you waiting out for the UK steelbook will probably get an identical disc. I am gonna give it a full watch now, and update my post with anything else interesting I see.

Notes: This is a BD25 obviously. Also this is a BD specific encode, I saw video peaks of at least 36Mbps in the 2 mins I skimmed it. I don't know why they left 5 gigs of the disc empty though, the video ABR could have been ~22Mbps if they filled it. The disc is label 10000_BC_NA_UK so those of you waiting out for the UK steelbook will probably get an identical disc. I am gonna give it a full watch now, and update my post with anything else interesting I see.

I think some studios are doing the video encodes way in advance before the marketing department has decided what if any extras go on the disc. So the compressionists are being given an unnecessarily small total bit budget when the marketing department decides to axe special features or extras. I wonder what some of the dates on the video files are? Is there a big discrepancy between the extras and the main movie?

EDIT: I re-read your post and realized that you were referring to 10,000 BC and not the dates on discs in general, but oh well...

Just checked the four discs I still have on my HDD at the moment...

The Neverending Story - same date, whole disc
Cast Away - same date, whole disc
Basic Instinct - all "created" 2007-03-28 but modified on different dates
- 2007-03-30 studio/copyright vids + 2 extras
- 2007-03-31 trailers
- 2007-04-03 movie part 2 + Making Of + small files
- 2007-04-04 movie part 1 + menu video + 1 extra
The Shining
- 2007-08-17 movie + studio/copyright vids + Making Of (2.08GB) + some other extras
- 2007-08-20 Making Of with commentary (2.08GB) (!!!)
- 2007-08-21 Visions of Stanley Kubrick
- 2007-08-24 three small files that MPC won't play

Warner's love of wasting space reaches truly epic proportions.

I think some studios are doing the video encodes way in advance before the marketing department has decided what if any extras go on the disc. So the compressionists are being given an unnecessarily small total bit budget when the marketing department decides to axe special features or extras. I wonder what some of the dates on the video files are? Is there a big discrepancy between the extras and the main movie?

The dates for all files on the disc are 5/9/08 which happens to be my birthday.

Belated Bday wishes to you Patsfan and I hope that the bug reported by benes is corrected by Cinema Squid.

It looks like BDInfo is over estimating the bitrates for TrueHD tracks. I just scanned a disc and it reported 4283Kbps. However when I demuxed the track it is actually only 3Mbps. (both of these figures include the embedded ac3 track). And when playing in PowerDVD it was hovering in the 2-3Mbps range which is consistent with the actual size. Incidentally Eac3to reports this track as having "more than 16bits".
Thanks for the heads up - did you do the demuxing with xport? It may be the case that I am including bytes as part of the data payload that should be subtracted as overhead (and you are correct that I do not subtract out the core AC3 track in the reported bitrate).

However, at the very most, the reported bitrate should not exceed the mux size of the track itself - i.e. 192 bytes per packet times the number of stream packets for the TrueHD track divided by the length of the playlist. I'll dig into this to see what might be off.

I think xport demuxes both the TrueHD + AC3 data into one file. That means those 3Mbps still include the AC3 frames. eac3to should tell you whether the xport demuxed audio file is a pure TrueHD track or a combined TrueHD+AC3 track. Also you can ask eac3to to split the file up for you. E.g. you could do "eac3to sourceaudiofile dest.thd" to get only the TrueHD data. Or you could do "eac3to sourceaudiofile dest.thd dest.ac3" to split the TrueHD and AC3 frames into separate files.

Yes it includes the ac3. Which means BDInfo is inflating the bitrate by 1.2Mbps.
Actually I think it's 1.8Mbps. We're not really interested in the combined TrueHD+AC3 bitrate, are we? At least personally, I'm only interested in the bitrate of the TrueHD data.

BDInfo reports the combined size. Regardless its a constant in both cases.

I think it may be happening only in the new version. I thought all of my TrueHD tracks were a bit high, like Twister, and 10,000BC.

Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ----------------- ---------------------
The Spiderwick Chronicles AVC 1:35:46 28,352,348,160* 40,970,339,905 39.47 31.03 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 5166Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps

Date is 5/15/08 for the main video files, 5/9/08 for other video files and 5/21/08 for everything else.


Also the Almost Famous import stats are from the UK edition.

Harry Potter flicks?

I think xport demuxes both the TrueHD + AC3 data into one file. That means those 3Mbps still include the AC3 frames. eac3to should tell you whether the xport demuxed audio file is a pure TrueHD track or a combined TrueHD+AC3 track. Also you can ask eac3to to split the file up for you. E.g. you could do "eac3to sourceaudiofile dest.thd" to get only the TrueHD data. Or you could do "eac3to sourceaudiofile dest.thd dest.ac3" to split the TrueHD and AC3 frames into separate files.
Thanks - after doing some extraction experiments with xport and eac3to, it looks like the estimated average bitrate difference (i.e. file size over length) between the two is almost exactly the bitrate of the core AC3 track. For example, with 300 I get an xport THD bitrate of 2375.87 and from eac3to it's 1735.81 (a 640.06 difference). So if I am unable to easily separate out the AC3 core payload bytes, it looks like I may be able to just subtract them out at the end (assuming I can get the exact same byte sizes as xport).

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Rambo: First Blood Part II VC-1 1:35:58 21,325,658,112 24,359,135,536 29.63 21.98 DTS-HD Master 5.1 4458Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps


AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 4458 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 17 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 239 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 18 kbps

For comparison, the HD DVD specs from the other thread (audio 48 kHz/16-bit):
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track IME Secondary Audio Track
----- ----- ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------- --- ---------------------
(EU) Rambo: First Blood Part II VC-1 1:35:50 16,294,049,792*~17,071,625,621 22.66 17.03 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 No

Thanks Patsfan.

Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ----------------- ---------------------
The Spiderwick Chronicles AVC 1:35:46 28,352,348,160* 40,970,339,905 39.47 31.03 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 5166Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps

Warner should hang themselves upon seeing this.:o

What about them?

I have the hddvd's and forgot the bluray's are LPCM not True HD.

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Rambo III VC-1 1:41:40 20,748,865,536 24,508,273,762 27.21 19.99 DTS-HD Master 5.1 4104Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps


AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 4104 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 19 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 262 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 18 kbps

For comparison, the HD DVD specs from the other thread (audio 48 kHz/16-bit):
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track IME Secondary Audio Track
----- ----- ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------- --- ---------------------
(EU) Rambo III VC-1 1:41:30 17,241,485,312*~18,018,790,198 22.64 16.94 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 No

Xylon's Cloverfield scan never made it into the main list:

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Cloverfield VC-1 1:24:40 24,852,836,352 42,219,444,202 39.13 30.42 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 5185Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

I think I had already requested benes to update. I think he will definitely update into the main list.

Batman Begins BD;


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Batman Begins VC-1 2:20:02 23,792,474,112 35,115,738,871 22.65 13.70 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3103Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps


Same encode as the HD DVD.



PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00012.mpls
Size: 23,792,474,112 bytes
Length: 2:20:02 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 22.65 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00000.M2TS 23,792,474,112 2:20:02 0:00:00 2:20:02

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 13701 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD Audio English 3103 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio Portuguese 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 30 kbps
Presentation Graphics 0 kbps 1080p
Presentation Graphics Chinese 24 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 23 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 16 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 27 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 26 kbps



The disc has Japanese audio and subs too, but BDInfo doesn't seem to report them.

Kudos to House and BOOOOOOOO to Warner for the continuing atrocity.

Batman Begins BD;

The disc has Japanese audio and subs too, but BDInfo doesn't seem to report them.
That's curious, it's unusual that BDInfo would fail to detect these tracks if they were really present. I see that the back of the box screenshot on dvdempire shows that it claims to have these, but did you actually confirm that they are there and accessible when playing the movie?

On the subject of BDInfo, it looks like I have resolved the overestimated bitrate problems with TrueHD. I want to run more tests to make sure everything is copacetic, so I probably won't be posting the new build until tomorrow afternoon at the earliest.

Rambo (IV) has an embedded 720x480 AVC PiP stream that BDInfo doesn't report. Is this by design? Do the bitrates exclude this too?

That's curious, it's unusual that BDInfo would fail to detect these tracks if they were really present. I see that the back of the box screenshot on dvdempire shows that it claims to have these, but did you actually confirm that they are there and accessible when playing the movie?


Yes, they're definatly there.

Rambo (IV) has an embedded 720x480 AVC PiP stream that BDInfo doesn't report. Is this by design? Do the bitrates exclude this too?

The way this shows up on the disc is with two separate playlists (actually several separate playlists since there are a few duplicate playlists with the same content, but different MPLS filenames). The main feature playlists are those with length 1:31:31 (M2TS 00112-00125) and the PiP are those with length 2:00:22 (with M2TS 00127-00132 PiP tracks interleaved). I'm not sure if there's a better way to interpret these without a full-blown BD-J implementation.


Rambo AVC 1:31:31 26,384,185,344# 46,855,015,149 38.44 26.88 DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1
Rambo PiP (Profile 1.1/seamless hybrid) AVC 2:00:22 31,990,284,288# 35.44 23.72 DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1


Yes, they're definatly there.

Thanks for double-checking that. I'll have to get a copy of Batman Begins when it comes out in a couple weeks to see what might be going awry. If you are still feeling investigative, you could check the disc with other tools such as eac3to, TSMuxer, TSRemux or BDEdit to see if any of them have any better luck with the detection. I see two main possibilities: a) the Japanese tracks are not present in the playlist file, but are present in the M2TS and its program map, or b) they are present in the playlist, but BDInfo is not parsing them out correctly.

I tried the mpls (00012) in tsmuxer and it sees the jpn audio and subs.

The way this shows up on the disc is with two separate playlists (actually several separate playlists since there are a few duplicate playlists with the same content, but different MPLS filenames). The main feature playlists are those with length 1:31:31 (M2TS 00112-00125) and the PiP are those with length 2:00:22 (with M2TS 00127-00132 PiP tracks interleaved). I'm not sure if there's a better way to interpret these without a full-blown BD-J implementation.


Rambo AVC 1:31:31 26,384,185,344# 46,855,015,149 38.44 26.88 DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1
Rambo PiP (Profile 1.1/seamless hybrid) AVC 2:00:22 31,990,284,288# 35.44 23.72 DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1


Aren't those additional M2TS files on the longer playlist just the extended branching featurettes? I'm talking about the 720x480 PiP window with a separate PID that none of the playlists include according to BDInfo. Whereas it showed up for National Treasure 2, albeit as an audio track...

I see that the bitrate calculation doesn't include it, at least.

Aren't those additional M2TS files on the longer playlist just the extended branching featurettes? I'm talking about the 720x480 PiP window with a separate PID that none of the playlists include according to BDInfo. Whereas it showed up for National Treasure 2, albeit as an audio track...

I see that the bitrate calculation doesn't include it, at least.
You are absolutely correct sir, my mistake. I'll look into this - life wouldn't be fun if it was perfect... :)

--- BDInfo v.0.2.3 ---

I went ahead and uploaded BDInfo v.0.2.3 (http://www.cinemasquid.com/Tools.aspx). There are a couple of minor tweaks/additions (report now includes BD+ and BD-Java detection), but the main change is a fix to the bitrate calculation for TrueHD and DTS-HD tracks. These seem to be pretty close now as compared to various demuxer outputs and when I apply the new bitrate calculation to CBR audio tracks (such as LPCM or AC3) the numbers come out right which is certainly a good sign. Exact video bitrates are going to be slightly different as well, but for the most part should be confined to less than a 0.01 Mbps difference.

There is also a new section in the output report which gives some stream diagnostics for each scanned M2TS and includes the PID, stream type code, number of bytes/seconds used in the final bitrate calculation and a packet count. This output is enabled by checking the "Include Stream Diagnostics?" box before clicking on View Report. Note that you don't have to tick this box before performing the bitrate scan since the information is collected anyway - it just controls whether or not that section is written into the text report.

One other thing worth noting is that the new TrueHD bitrate number does *not* include the AC3 core - i.e. this is now subtracted out. However, the stream diagnostics section does not perform this separation and reports the combined bitrate of TrueHD + AC3 core if you are interested in comparing the numbers. Also, the TrueHD bit depth (16- vs. 24-bit) is still absolute guesswork, although obviously the thresholds for this have been changed since the TrueHD bitrates are going to be noticeably lower.

One other thing worth noting is that the new TrueHD bitrate number does *not* include the AC3 core - i.e. this is now subtracted out.

Thanks for the update. :) Do the DTS-HD MA bitrates also exclude the core? We should be comparing apples to apples, I think.

Thanks for the update. :) Do the DTS-HD MA bitrates also exclude the core? We should be comparing apples to apples, I think.
No, the DTS-HD MA tracks still include the core since it actually part of the lossless data - i.e. lossy core + extra data for the lossless extension for DTS-MA vs. lossy core + completely separate lossless data for the TrueHD track. It's actually kind of impressive how much more efficient the stand-alone (minus core) TrueHD appears to be as compared to a comparable DTS-MA track.

Perhaps the DTS extension method results in a noticeable loss of compression efficiency, although tacking a theoretical 1.5Mbps AC3 core onto the TrueHD tracks would certainly change the picture and make them more equivalent. An apples to apples comparison based on bitrate is difficult since they are addressing the same problems in two different ways (i.e. providing a lossless track with an embedded widely supported lossy track, but with a separate lossy track vs. a lossy track that is part of the lossless data).

I haven't played around with FLAC or other lossless codecs much, but it would be interesting to see how they compare in efficiency since the whole "advanced audio codec" thing strikes me as something of a royalty-generating boondoggle. Although, this comes from the perspective of someone who believes that dubs are an abomination for anything but children's programming and 70's Kung Fu, so maybe just a LPCM + AC3/DTS doesn't work when you want to cram on a dozen non-original audio tracks (cough, Warner).

I also did some preliminary poking around today to find out what might be going awry in the Profile 1.1 discs (with some help - thank you!) and I think I see what is going wrong. Hopefully I will be able to put out a new build of BDInfo within the next week to address this as well as including chapter output in the report (and possibly bitrate per chapter if I am feeling lucky).

the TrueHD bit depth (16- vs. 24-bit) is still absolute guesswork
Please be aware that losslessly compressed tracks can be anywhere between 16bit and 24bit. E.g. it's very easy to use 24bit but keep the lowest 4bits all zeroed out. All the lossless compressors increase compression efficiency with every zeroed out bit. So it's not just 16bit TrueHD vs. 24bit TrueHD. A track can be 18bit or 19bit. I've seen tracks which have bitrates which are near to 16bit, but still when you decode them you get more than 16bit. I think such tracks are probably 18bit or something like that...

I haven't played around with FLAC or other lossless codecs much, but it would be interesting to see how they compare in efficiency since the whole "advanced audio codec" thing strikes me as something of a royalty-generating boondoggle.
FLAC is slightly more efficient than TrueHD, but the difference isn't big.

No, the DTS-HD MA tracks still include the core since it actually part of the lossless data - i.e. lossy core + extra data for the lossless extension for DTS-MA vs. lossy core + completely separate lossless data for the TrueHD track.

Oh okay, I thought that TrueHD used the same idea. Makes sense now.

--- BDInfo v.0.3.0 (http://www.cinemasquid.com/Tools.aspx) ---

Another day, another version... why the heck not? A shiny new build of BDInfo is now available for download (http://www.cinemasquid.com/Tools.aspx).

The biggest change is bugfixes in the MPLS playlist processing that should resolve a variety of issues with Profile 1.1 discs - i.e. missing PiP video tracks, missing audio/subtitle tracks, PiP tracks being marked as audio tracks or subtitles, etc.

Also, 96kHz DTS-MA tracks should now be identified as such although 7.1 DTS-MA channel counts are still not going to be detected. This information was actually there the whole time in the playlist and I was even processing it, but subsequently overwrote it when I scanned the audio headers - doh!

Finally, I added the list of chapter markers to the output report. I did not get a chance to put in the average video bitrates per chapter yet because this is a little bit more involved than I first thought. This is due to the fact that you can scan multiple MPLS playlists, but each unique M2TS only gets scanned once so it has to deal with the chapter markers from all the playlists that reference it. Not a herculean task, but I figured the MPLS bug fixes were important enough to pushed out sooner rather than later.

Hopefully this build will be good to go for a decent amount of time (hence the optimistic version number bump), barring any new bug-tacular discoveries.

Thanks Cinema Squid for coming up with an updated version of BDInfo.

You said there are plenty of open sources available to develop utilities like BD Info. Any idea on the availability of Java based open sources ? This is because I can come up with a similar tool like you had developed using C# & .Net though I cannot guarantee if it would perform on the same levels as BDInfo on Windows based platform.

I ran Ghost Rider with the new BDInfo and this was the result:


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Ghost Rider AVC 2:03:25 36,219,389,952 49,862,064,796 39.13 26.72 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) Dolby TrueHD 5.1 2781Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)


Heh - looks like there is a new new version... sigh!

Dolby TrueHD 5.1 2781Kbps/24-bit ? :confused:

Heh - looks like there is a new new version... sigh!
Well the bitrate calculation did not change in the short window of time betwen 0.2.3 and 0.3.0, so you should get the same results. Doesn't hurt to scan again to verify this, however.

You said there are plenty of open sources available to develop utilities like BD Info. Any idea on the availability of Java based open sources ? This is because I can come up with a similar tool like you had developed using C# & .Net though I cannot guarantee if it would perform on the same levels as BDInfo on Windows based platform.
I'm not aware of any Java-based sources for processing Blu-ray, although they are likely out there. I think the performance would be comparable though for a BDInfo-like tool since it's mostly just file I/O and parsing which C# and Java seem to handle nearly as well (and sometimes better) than C/C++. I guess one of the main disincentives to a cross-platform tool is the lack of a particular "other" tool for alternative OS which is currently critical to the process.

Please be aware that losslessly compressed tracks can be anywhere between 16bit and 24bit. E.g. it's very easy to use 24bit but keep the lowest 4bits all zeroed out. All the lossless compressors increase compression efficiency with every zeroed out bit. So it's not just 16bit TrueHD vs. 24bit TrueHD. A track can be 18bit or 19bit. I've seen tracks which have bitrates which are near to 16bit, but still when you decode them you get more than 16bit. I think such tracks are probably 18bit or something like that...
That makes sense and helps explain a lot. I wonder if this dithering process is occuring as a manual step before the encoding process or is done (semi-)automatically by the TrueHD encoding software if the lower-order bits are deemed insignificant. In either case, it seems to stretch the definition of "lossless" a bit since surely those bits aren't all zero in the original 24-bit LPCM source file...

Dolby TrueHD 5.1 2781Kbps/24-bit ? :confused:
Don't forget that this new bitrate number does not include the AC3 core, so they are going to look lower. Also, as madshi explained above there may be other things going on with truncation of samples under the covers to impact these numbers.

In either case, it seems to stretch the definition of "lossless" a bit since surely those bits aren't all zero in the original 24-bit LPCM source file...
The very same problem was always existing with 16bit lossless/PCM tracks when the studio master is more than 16bit. In all the "I love PCM" threads the majority of people never cared to look at the bitdepth of the Blu-Ray in comparison to the studio master. Anyway, from what I've read all audio experts agree that more than 20bit audio has no benefit whatsoever. There's some kind of disagreement about whether 20bit is better than 16bit or not. Some experts say yes, others say no. But if all experts agree that more than 20bit is useless, I've no problem if studios cut the lower 4bits of the studio master.

Hmmmm... Maybe I should tweak eac3to a bit, so that it reports the exact bitdepth instead of just "16bit" or "more than 16bit". Shouldn't be too hard, I guess...

Well the bitrate calculation did not change in the short window of time betwen 0.2.3 and 0.3.0, so you should get the same results. Doesn't hurt to scan again to verify this, however.


Yeah I read the change log and agree the results should be the same.

I can get the new version and run it again...

I was just doing it to test my new BD drive in any case :D

Dolby TrueHD 5.1 2781Kbps/24-bit ? :confused:

I think that sounds about right since its supposed to be a 20-bit track, a bit lower than the 3000-3500Kbps average we should see for 24-bit tracks now. I bet that most 16bit tracks will fall between 1500-2000Kbps averages now.

Cinema Squid- It now takes only 10-12 minutes to scan a disc on average from the hard drive. In previous versions it would take 20-30 so I am very impressed. Also I have a feature request. Can you add an option to automatically dump the scan report into a .txt file in the same folder as the program once the scan completes. A few times I have finished a scan and then done a reboot or closed it without taking down the info, and I have to do it again.

Updated bitrates:

10,000 BC : Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1666Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)
Spiderwick Chronicles: Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3531Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

Cinema Squid- It now takes only 10-12 minutes to scan a disc on average from the hard drive. In previous versions it would take 20-30 so I am very impressed. Also I have a feature request. Can you add an option to automatically dump the scan report into a .txt file in the same folder as the program once the scan completes. A few times I have finished a scan and then done a reboot or closed it without taking down the info, and I have to do it again.
That's a good suggestion - I've done that before as well! As far as the speed is concerned, it did seem like it was significantly faster but I hadn't done a direct comparison. I did make some changes to improve performance by tweaking the buffer sizes and chopping out some unused code so I guess it helped.

I have found two bugs in the new version thus far which I've already fixed, but I want to see if anything pops up before posting a new build:

First, the flags indicating BD-J and BD+ detection don't always get cleared between disc scans, so these might be mistakenly reported as present if you scan multiple discs in a row without restarting BDInfo.

Also, in the initial disc scan it occasionally fails to fully parse the audio header information (was not scanning forward to the first sync byte - oops!) so things would be missing from the report like the TrueHD/DTS-HD core information. Out of the 50+ discs that I've rescanned, however, this has only happened on Prison Break and it shouldn't effect the bitrates.

Impressive work Cinema Squid.

It now takes only 10-12 minutes to scan a disc on average from the hard drive.

I'm not aware of any Java-based sources for processing Blu-ray, although they are likely out there. I think the performance would be comparable though for a BDInfo-like tool since it's mostly just file I/O and parsing which C# and Java seem to handle nearly as well (and sometimes better) than C/C++. I guess one of the main disincentives to a cross-platform tool is the lack of a particular "other" tool for alternative OS which is currently critical to the process.

Wow. 40~50% performance improvement is quite impressive. Great work Cinema Squid and thanks for the info. I think the optical lens will now have to do more work in less time.:D

The Reaping - Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Reaping VC-1 1:39:23 15,334,508,544 17,429,695,996 20.57 14.31 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1623Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps



PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00000.mpls
Size: 15,334,508,544 bytes
Length: 1:39:23 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 20.57 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00000.M2TS 15,334,508,544 1:39:23.582 0:00:00.000 1:39:23.582

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 14305 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD Audio English 1623 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1623kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps

Coming to America - Dolby Digital AC3 (lossy compression)

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Coming to America AVC 1:56:48 19,304,306,688 23,904,551,888 22.04 19.74 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps


PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00003.mpls
Size: 19,304,306,688 bytes
Length: 1:56:48 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 22.04 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00003.M2TS 19,304,306,688 1:56:48.001 0:00:00.000 1:56:48.001

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 19745 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

Batman: Gotham Knight;


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Batman: Gotham Knight VC-1 1:15:59 13,542,494,208 20,927,801,268 23.76 20.49 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps




PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00004.mpls
Size: 13,542,494,208 bytes
Length: 1:15:59 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 23.76 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00004.M2TS 13,542,494,208 1:15:59.680 0:00:00.000 1:15:59.680

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 20494 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Japanese 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio German 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 25 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 30 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 18 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 32 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 1 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 22 kbps


Looks like a BD encode to me, PowerDVD and PS3 both reporting peaks in the 34-36 and sometimes even 39 areas.

DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
Advertised
Total Video Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------- ----------------------- ---------------------
Mad Men: Season 1
Disc 1 - 5 Episodes AVC 3:53:13 49,740,926,976 49,979,468,058 28.44 22.99 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 3437Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00700.mpls
Size: 49,740,926,976 bytes
Length: 3:53:13 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 28.44 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00000.M2TS 10,450,286,592 0:48:39.958 0:00:00.000 0:48:39.958
00001.M2TS 10,106,253,312 0:47:02.861 0:48:39.958 1:35:42.820
00002.M2TS 9,350,633,472 0:44:14.693 1:35:42.820 2:19:57.514
00003.M2TS 9,575,036,928 0:45:11.750 2:19:57.514 3:05:09.264
00004.M2TS 10,258,716,672 0:48:03.922 3:05:09.264 3:53:13.187

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 22993 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 3437 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 3511kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 73 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 71 kbps

I don't have the other discs yet, but I will post em over time if no one else does. I just watched a few seconds but the PQ looked very nice, no DNR and a nice grain structure.

Before I get rid of this turd:


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Gangs of New York VC-1 2:46:35 41,758,396,416 48,312,522,068 33.42 22.67 LPCM 5.1 6912Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps




PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00001.mpls
Size: 41,758,396,416 bytes
Length: 2:46:35 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 33.42 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00000.M2TS 41,758,396,416 2:46:35.652 0:00:00.000 2:46:35.652

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 22672 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
LPCM Audio English 6912 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 6912kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 30 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 63 kbps
Presentation Graphics Danish 25 kbps
Presentation Graphics Danish 54 kbps
Presentation Graphics Finnish 27 kbps
Presentation Graphics Finnish 51 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 28 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 56 kbps
Presentation Graphics Icelandic 29 kbps
Presentation Graphics Icelandic 57 kbps
Presentation Graphics Norwegian 26 kbps
Presentation Graphics Norwegian 55 kbps
Presentation Graphics Swedish 26 kbps
Presentation Graphics Swedish 54 kbps

Wow. I am amazed at specs of Mad Men: Season 1.

4 hours of content encoded at an average video bit rate of 23 Mbps alongside DTS-HD MA 24-bit which means New Line can do similar stuff with LOTR though they have to cut down on the bits by 1~1.5 Mbps to accommodate 7.1 ch audio.

More from Xylon:
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Professionals AVC 1:57:29 31,733,366,784 35,480,980,307 36.01 26.06 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 4232Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
A Passage To India AVC 2:43:57 36,402,094,080 47,091,721,168 29.60 22.96 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 2444Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)
The Sand Pebbles MPEG-2 3:02:33 33,297,426,432 39,457,412,972 24.32 18.02 DTS-HD Master 5.1 3705Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 4.0 320Kbps
The Seventh Seal AVC 1:36:13 16,988,663,808 22,550,087,928 23.54 21.99 DD AC3 2.0 224Kbps
The Longest Day AVC 2:58:22 39,626,440,704 40,765,784,136 29.62 23.40 DTS-HD Master 5.1 3318Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 4.0 448Kbps

Benes
Video Bitrate: 33.67

DGAVCIndex
Bitrate (Avg): 32.880
Bitrate (Max): 53.064

Re: Peak bitrates and whether >48Mbps video is possible, stats for Cast Away. I can't speak to how DGAVCIndex calculates this but the Doom9 forums may say.

The author, neuron2, explained this in response to someone else's query:
Every 30 coded frames this occurs:

1. Adjust number of coded frames to the number of displayed frames by adding as needed for frame or field repeats seen during that time.

2. Calculate the time for those as (displayed frames / frame rate).

3. Calculate the video data rate as:

rate = bytes_delivered * 8.0 / time / 1024000.0;

4. Print the highest rate seen since start of decoding as the max bitrate.

Maybe someone else can explain how this affects the numbers. :p

DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
Advertised
Total Video Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------- ----------------------- ---------------------
Point Break AVC 2:02:05 33,988,184,064 41,725,606,312 37.12 29.33 28 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 4303Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps/DD AC3 4.0 448Kbps


PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00001.mpls
Size: 33,988,184,064 bytes
Length: 2:02:05 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 37.12 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00001.M2TS 33,988,184,064 2:02:05.693 0:00:00.000 2:02:05.693

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 29330 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 4303 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 4303kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 448 kbps 4.0 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 224 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 224kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 224 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 224kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 59 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 58 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 36 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 34 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 0 kbps

Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ----------------- ---------------------
In the Line of Fire AVC 2:08:36 35,309,082,624 39,525,927,767 36.61 24.95 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1435Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)



PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00001.mpls
Size: 35,309,082,624 bytes
Length: 2:08:36 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 36.61 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00011.M2TS 35,309,082,624 2:08:36.709 0:00:00.000 2:08:36.709

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 24948 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD Audio English 1435 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1435kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby TrueHD Audio French 1507 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1507kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby TrueHD Audio Portuguese 1415 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1415kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 25 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 25 kbps
Presentation Graphics Arabic 14 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 24 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 31 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 24 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 44 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 25 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 44 kbps
Presentation Graphics Indonesian 27 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 19 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 24 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 51 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 27 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 38 kbps


Cinema Squid- Point Break took 9:36 to scan, while In the Line of Fire took 30:37 from the same hard drive. The only difference I see between ITLOF and the others I have tried is the multiple TrueHD tracks. When I scanned Spiderwick again it took the 10 mins. I think multiple lossless tracks slow it down. This was with v.0.3.1 .

Cinema Squid- Point Break took 9:36 to scan, while In the Line of Fire took 30:37 from the same hard drive. The only difference I see between ITLOF and the others I have tried is the multiple TrueHD tracks. When I scanned Spiderwick again it took the 10 mins. I think multiple lossless tracks slow it down. This was with v.0.3.1 .
I've noticed this too and it does seem like discs with TrueHD tracks might be taking longer for some reason. The only thing major difference that I can think of as a culprit would be a small section of code that gets run repeatedly as the average bitrate is updated to take out the core AC3 bytes. I'd be surprised if that was the cause, but you never know because it happens a lot (at each presentation timestamp increment).

Employee of the Month - DTS-HD High Resolution Audio (lossy compression) 24-bit/48kHz

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Employee of the Month AVC 1:48:07 19,310,014,464 24,894,603,764 23.81 18.19 DTS-HD Hi-Res 6.1 3039Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps



PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00001.mpls
Size: 19,310,014,464 bytes
Length: 1:48:07 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 23.81 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00001.M2TS 19,310,014,464 1:48:07.481 0:00:00.000 1:48:07.481

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 18187 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Audio English 3039 kbps 6.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 3039kbps (DTS-ES Core: 5.1-ES / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
Dolby Digital EX Audio English 640 kbps 5.1-EX / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 40 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 38 kbps

I've noticed this too and it does seem like discs with TrueHD tracks might be taking longer for some reason.

Cinema Squid,

How do you calculate the audio bit rate ? Do you scan the entire disc for every audio track or you spawn multiple threads to do the scanning concurrently ? Please educate.

Buddies with BD Drives,

Could you please scan The Descent Blu-ray and check if the Rated & Unrated Versions are really AVC encoded ?

It would be great if you can perform the scan using PowerDVD, DGAVCIndex and BDInfo.

Some interesting discussion is going on here. Check from post #15.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14205123#post14205123

Batman Begins BD
Same encode as the HD DVD.

Are you sure?
BluRay movie size 23,792,474,112
HdDvd movie size 19,857,584,128

Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 24-bit/96kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ----------------- ---------------------
John Mayer: Where the Light Is VC-1 2:32:38 46,356,916,224 48,283,404,188 40.49 24.77 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 7490Kbps (96kHz/24-bit) LPCM 2.0 4608Kbps (96kHz/24-bit)
PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00001.mpls
Size: 46,356,916,224 bytes
Length: 2:32:38 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 40.49 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00012.M2TS 25,366,265,856 1:23:07.816 0:00:00.000 1:23:07.816
00013.M2TS 20,990,650,368 1:09:30.749 1:23:07.816 2:32:38.566

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 24771 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD Audio English 7490 kbps 5.1 / 96kHz / 24-bit / 7263kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
LPCM Audio English 4608 kbps 2.0 / 96kHz / 24-bit / 4608kbps

Are you sure?
BluRay movie size 23,792,474,112
HdDvd movie size 19,857,584,128
Perhaps the BD has extra audio/subtitle tracks not present on the HD DVD to account for the size difference? Warner has been known to put on more of these for the BD port and I have vague memories of this very same discussion regarding V for Vendetta.


How do you calculate the audio bit rate ? Do you scan the entire disc for every audio track or you spawn multiple threads to do the scanning concurrently ? Please educate.
Here is a (hopefully not too long-winded, but reasonably thorough) overview of the current BDInfo scanning/calculation process:

There are three types of files involved in the process: the MPLS "playlist" files, the CLPI "clip info" files and the M2TS "MPEG transport streams" and it's worth talking about their structure first to make the process clearer.

Each MPLS file represents a single playable item (a movie, television episode, featurette, trailer, etc.) and serves as a table of contents for that item to the playback device. The MPLS contains a list of M2TS files arranged in playback order along with time stamps specifying the in/out times of each M2TS. There is also an ordered list of chapter markers in the MPLS and each marker is specified as an M2TS index and the time offset within it (so the overall chapter time stamp is determined by calculating the overall start time of the M2TS according the playlist order and then adding the offset of the marker). While many MPLS only reference a single M2TS file, some reference more than one if the item is broken into multiple M2TS files and a given M2TS may be referenced by multiple MPLS. This is how seamless branching and other operation such as "play all episodes" or "play all deleted scenes" are performed: i.e. different playlists specifying different orderings of M2TS files.

Each M2TS file also has a corresponding CLPI "clip info" file that serves as a simple table of contents to the streams contained within the M2TS - i.e. video, audio and graphics tracks. Each stream is given a unique four-digit "PID" (packet identifier) and a stream type identifier that indicates the codec of the stream. Depending on the stream type, there is a little bit of additional information supplied that can be used to populate the display/menus of the playback device. Video tracks also have their resolution (1080p, etc.), framerate (23.976, 29.97, etc.) and basic aspect ratio (4:3, 16:9) listed. Audio tracks have their basic channel layout (Mono, Stereo, Multi - kind of useless), sampling rate (48/96/192) and language code (English/Spanish/etc.). Presentation and interactive graphics tracks (i.e. subtitles and non-Java menus) also have a language code. All of this information is also redundantly stored in the MPLS files, but it can be a little more convenient to read it from the CLPI files.

The M2TS files themselves are the real meat and potatoes of things and contain all the video, audio and graphics data. Structurally, the M2TS is laid out as a sequence of 192 byte packets (chunks of data). Each packet has a 4-byte synchronization header (an addition over the old-style .TS file) followed by the normal 188-byte MPEG transport stream packet data (for more information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG_transport_stream). The important point is that each data packet is assigned to a specific stream through the packet identifier (PID) and there are a number of flags indicating what should be done with the data inside the packet. For BDInfo, there are a few critical pieces of information. Video and audio streams have a codec-independent generic PES (program elementary stream) header that is contained within the packet data. This header is used to increment the presentation/display time stamps for each stream (since they are all potentially running at different rates and the packets from all streams are jumbled together in an interleaved fashion) and also to indicate the number of bytes of actual stream data that is expected to follow, spread across multiple subsequent packets, when a new chunk of data "payload" begins (i.e. a single video frame or a set of audio frame samples).

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With all that said, here is the sequence of events inside BDInfo:

After clicking the Browse button and selecting a disc/folder, BDInfo locates the BDMV folder and recursively calculates the total folder size of BDMV's parent (i.e. one level above BDMV) - this sum is given as the disc size. It looks for the presence of a BDSVM (or SLYVM) folder - if found, the disc is marked as BD+. It looks for the BDJO folder and if any .BDJO files are in this folder, then the disc is marked as having BD-Java. This is the highly sophisticated BD+ and BD-Java detection algorithm! :)

BDInfo then reads in and fully parses all of the MPLS files in the PLAYLIST folder. For each playlist, the list of referenced M2TS files are stored, the playlist M2TS time offsets are used to calculate the playlist length and the file sizes of the constituent M2TS files are added together as the playlist size - these numbers show up as the movie length and size respectively in the final report. For each referenced M2TS, the corresponding CLPI file is then read and parsed to create a master list of streams for the playlist with the PID, stream type/codec, and basic stream attributes stored.

The final (and most time-consuming) step in the Browse process is to open and read each unique M2TS referenced by all of the playlists. Packets are read from each M2TS until a codec-specific header is found for each video and audio stream in the M2TS - i.e. processing of the M2TS stops once all the streams have their extra information filled in. Separate routines for AVC, MPEG-2, VC-1, AC3, DTS, TrueHD, DTS-HD and LPCM process this header information to update the stream descriptions with additional information not found in the CLPI such as the exact channel count, bit depth, core AC3/DTS stream info for TrueHD/DTS-HD, and constant bitrate values for AC3/DTS/LPCM. Any discrepancies found for the video stream's resolution and frame rate replace the information from the CLPI.

At this point, hopefully only a few seconds have passed and BDInfo is sitting idle with the playlists, files and streams displayed. The fun begins when the scan bitrates button is clicked. A unique list of M2TS is built based on the checked items in the "Select Playlist(s)" box or, if no items are checked, all of the referenced M2TS are added to the list - in either case, each M2TS is only added to the list once so it doesn't get scanned multiple times. The bitrate scanner then opens the M2TS files one at a time and reads the entire file in 16KB chunks. After each chunk is read into memory, it is then processed to break it up into individual packets to increment the packet counts and byte counts for each stream PID.

Getting the payload byte count is essentially a process of boiling away the M2TS packet and stream header overhead to get the raw data bytes for each stream. This is done in a codec-independent manner using the PES headers. Also, increments of the presentation/display time stamps for each stream are located and the stream bitrate is recalculated at each time stamp increment (with the final bitrate for the M2TS stream coming from the last increment). For playlists with multiple M2TS, both the running and final bitrates are calculated by dividing the sum total data payload bytes for each stream across all M2TS divided by the total duration of all the M2TS (or in the case of the running bitrate the total duration of all processed M2TS + the PTS location of the M2TS currently being scanned). You can enable the stream diagnostics checkbox and click the View Report button while the scan is running to get an incremental snapshot of the scan progress for each stream.

All of this is done in a single-threaded manner one M2TS file at a time, although the file I/O is backed by a double-buffer and there is a separate user interface thread with a timer that fires once a second while scanning to update the incremental bitrate display on the screen. Putting in multiple reader threads might work well for scanning a disc layout on the hard-drive, although I suspect would be disastrous when reading from a BD-ROM drive. Also, some care would have to be taken when dividing up a single M2TS into multiple pieces to make sure the cuts are not only along packet boundaries but also at payload start boundaries.

Interesting info there, Cinema Squid, thanks. You may like to know that BDInfo was added to videohelp.com and digital-digest.com today.

I found something today that I hadn't heard of before: BD region codes can apparently have an expiration option if the distributor chooses.

Source: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/70162711.html
If the fixed-date information exists in the recording medium 10 , the control unit decides whether the limited time corresponding to the region/county designated to the data record/reproduction apparatus 20 has expired based on the fixed-date information (S 44 ). Namely, the recording medium 10 includes a data after which reproduction is permitted regardless of the regional codes in the recording medium 10 and the record/reproduction apparatus 20 match. In this case, the control unit 202 can use a separate date/time secured clock or a Local_date field of PSR20 to decide whether the corresponding limited time included in the fixed-date information read from the recording medium 10 has expired.

In the date/time secured clock, a user or application program is unable to change a date or time. Instead, a date or time of the date/time secured clock can be set/changed based on official time information carried by a broadcast or GPS signal. In case of the Local_date field, it is updated using the official time information. Since the user or application program is unable to change a date or time of the separate secured clock, the control unit 204 can correctly decide whether the corresponding limited time has expired.

If the limited time has expired, the control unit 202 performs the playback according to the user's command even if a match between regional codes in the recording medium 10 and the record/reproduction apparatus 20 does not exist (S 43 ). If the limited time has not expired, the control unit 202 displays a warning message (S 45 ).

Thanks for the detailed explanation Cinema Whale.:D

I will have to read your notes multiple times to get a vague understanding of the disc structure.

Can anyone scan The Descent BD to find out if it's MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 encoded ?:confused:

I hesitate to post this, but piracy can be used for the power of good sometimes. ;) No, I didn't download it - in fact I can't - but here's an NFO file stating AVC.

The.Descent.2005.BluRay.1080p.DTS.h264.Remux-CtrlHD
---------------------------------------------------

General Info
------------
IMDB Link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0435625/
Length: 100 minutes


This movie doesn't compress very well because of the grain. A crf18 encode would
be around 15 GB, only 1 GB smaller than the source, so I decided to remux it. The Blu-ray
is 45 GB, so I believe it is appropriate to upload a 16 GB remux.


Technical Specs
---------------
Video Encoder.....: h.264 (untouched video)
Video Aspect Ratio: 2.35:1 (1920x1080)
Audio Codec.......: DTS
Audio BitRate.....: 1536 kbit/sec
Audio Channels....: 5.1 channels
Subtitles.........: English, Dutch, Portugese, Spanish and Swedish (thank you Hristoff2)
Remuxed by........: Rabomil
Source............: Blu-ray
File Size.........: 16 GB

I hesitate to post this, but piracy can be used for the power of good sometimes. ;) No, I didn't download it - in fact I can't - but here's an NFO file stating AVC.
From the looks of that NFO, some converted it to h.264 from something else. Which could be anything?
Not trying to be rude, but this info doesn't look to be too helpful.

h.264 (untouched video) - I'm guessing by this he just means that the video is lossless-ish. Because this thread lists the video size as 20+ gigs.

From the looks of that NFO, some converted it to h.264 from something else. Which could be anything?
Not trying to be rude, but this info doesn't look to be too helpful.

h.264 (untouched video) - I'm guessing by this he just means that the video is lossless-ish. Because this thread lists the video size as 20+ gigs.

Well first of all I didn't even check to see if it was on the list already since lgans was asking for it. Now I'm not sure what he was wanting since it's already listed as AVC... Someone to confirm an MPEG-2 copy rather than posting more AVC scans of it?

The NFO specifically states that he didn't re-encode, but rather remuxed from M2TS to MKV. "Untouched" means just that; the video portion of the file is just copied off of the disc. The "movie size" you're looking at in the list includes the 6Mbps LPCM track, other audio, etc. If you multiply AVBR by the runtime you get 15.75GB for the Unrated cut's video track.

msgohan,

I want you or our buddies with BD Drives to scan through their BD copy of Descent in BDInfo or PowerDVD and check if the Rated and Unrated features are encoded using MPEG-4 and NOT MPEG-2. The copy which I received from amazon day before yesterday is MPEG-2 encoded. Please help.

Well benes already has it scanned as Rated AVC/Unrated AVC/PiP MPEG-2 using whatever tools he used to use. That CtrlHD pirate also confirms it as AVC. I might be able to rent it, but it seems like scanning your copy would be the best way to see whether there really is an MPEG-2 disc. I'm sure one of us would be happy to scan it if you sent us the disc. ;) Or I can help you use the PS3 ripper OS I mentioned before.

Thanks msg. Few others members have reported similar problem with their copies. Looks like I have been offered a vintage legacy copy.:D

So if I am unable to easily separate out the AC3 core payload bytes, it looks like I may be able to just subtract them out at the end (assuming I can get the exact same byte sizes as xport).
That should be possible. FWIW I've heard that the AC3 frames have a different DontRememberTheExactThingItWasSomeKindOfID compared to the TrueHD frames in the PES packets. So it should be really easy to separate them.

I have The Decent and can 'take a look' at it over the weekend.

BTW there are only two encodes on the disc - the unrated is seamlessly branched into the normal version of the movie.

Night Watch (Fox Japan release) scan:


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Night Watch (Fox Japan release) AVC 1:54:21 37,754,382,336 43,949,394,764 44.02 32.95 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3803Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DTS 5.1 768Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)




PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00179.mpls
Size: 37,754,382,336 bytes
Length: 1:54:21 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 44.02 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00375.M2TS 37,754,382,336 1:54:21.896 0:00:00.000 1:54:21.896

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 32950 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD Audio Russian 3803 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 3803kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps)
DTS Audio Russian 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio German 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Japanese 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 224 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 224kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 24 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 27 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 48 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 37 kbps
Presentation Graphics Danish 20 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 19 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 31 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 41 kbps
Presentation Graphics Finnish 16 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 18 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 33 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 42 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 24 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 37 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 47 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 15 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 22 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 36 kbps
Presentation Graphics Norwegian 18 kbps
Presentation Graphics Swedish 19 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:04:00.073 Chapter 2
3 0:10:54.028 Chapter 3
4 0:15:49.615 Chapter 4
5 0:19:26.790 Chapter 5
6 0:24:12.868 Chapter 6
7 0:28:15.110 Chapter 7
8 0:33:08.861 Chapter 8
9 0:38:08.160 Chapter 9
10 0:40:01.065 Chapter 10
11 0:43:40.951 Chapter 11
12 0:50:44.458 Chapter 12
13 0:58:33.051 Chapter 13
14 1:04:30.491 Chapter 14
15 1:09:26.996 Chapter 15
16 1:13:34.952 Chapter 16
17 1:24:06.249 Chapter 17
18 1:33:18.259 Chapter 18
19 1:37:39.562 Chapter 19
20 1:47:40.787 Chapter 20
21 1:54:21.646 Chapter 21

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File PID Type Seconds Bytes Packets Bitrate
---- --- ---- ------- ----- ------- -------
00375.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0x1B 6861.90 28,262,159,014 153,695,821 32949.68
00375.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x83 6861.90 3,646,622,502 26,108,172 4251.45
00375.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x82 6861.90 658,742,272 3,859,818 768.00
00375.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 6861.90 384,267,520 2,144,350 448.00
00375.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 6861.90 384,267,520 2,144,350 448.00
00375.M2TS 4356 (0x1104) 0x81 6861.90 384,267,520 2,144,350 448.00
00375.M2TS 4357 (0x1105) 0x81 6861.90 384,267,520 2,144,350 448.00
00375.M2TS 4358 (0x1106) 0x81 6861.90 192,133,760 1,072,175 224.00
00375.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 6861.90 20,375,112 117,659 23.75
00375.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 6861.90 22,739,566 131,099 26.51
00375.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 6861.90 36,626 218 0.04
00375.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 6861.90 12,557,996 74,927 14.64
00375.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 6861.90 80,439 484 0.09
00375.M2TS 4613 (0x1205) 0x90 6861.90 20,313,584 117,093 23.68
00375.M2TS 4614 (0x1206) 0x90 6861.90 112,938 663 0.13
00375.M2TS 4615 (0x1207) 0x90 6861.90 15,866,153 92,927 18.50
00375.M2TS 4616 (0x1208) 0x90 6861.90 56,951 351 0.07
00375.M2TS 4617 (0x1209) 0x90 6861.90 16,456,856 94,523 19.19
00375.M2TS 4618 (0x120A) 0x90 6861.90 13,791,287 80,711 16.08
00375.M2TS 4619 (0x120B) 0x90 6861.90 17,288,553 99,826 20.16
00375.M2TS 4620 (0x120C) 0x90 6861.90 15,981,898 92,477 18.63
00375.M2TS 4621 (0x120D) 0x90 6861.90 15,315,154 89,755 17.86
00375.M2TS 4622 (0x120E) 0x90 6861.90 31,440,656 180,064 36.66
00375.M2TS 4623 (0x120F) 0x90 6861.90 41,351,571 234,068 48.21
00375.M2TS 4624 (0x1210) 0x90 6861.90 19,273,160 110,712 22.47
00375.M2TS 4625 (0x1211) 0x90 6861.90 31,037,968 177,311 36.19
00375.M2TS 4626 (0x1212) 0x90 6861.90 32,030,687 183,069 37.34
00375.M2TS 4627 (0x1213) 0x90 6861.90 39,896,227 226,145 46.51
00375.M2TS 4628 (0x1214) 0x90 6861.90 28,039,898 161,112 32.69
00375.M2TS 4629 (0x1215) 0x90 6861.90 36,113,285 205,457 42.10
00375.M2TS 4630 (0x1216) 0x90 6861.90 26,826,530 153,432 31.28
00375.M2TS 4631 (0x1217) 0x90 6861.90 35,214,190 200,298 41.05



Full scan report including all 43 playlists attached as WinZip'd text file.

Some more info about this and Japanese Day Watch release in:
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=59843

Day Watch (Fox Japan release) scan:


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Day Watch (Fox Japan release) AVC 2:25:48 44,533,014,528 46,537,441,336 40.72 29.47 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3617Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DTS 5.1 768Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)




PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00016.mpls
Size: 44,533,014,528 bytes
Length: 2:25:48 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 40.72 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00012.M2TS 44,533,014,528 2:25:48.531 0:00:00.000 2:25:48.531

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 29470 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD Audio Russian 3617 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 3617kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
DTS Audio English 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
DTS Audio French 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
DTS Audio German 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
DTS Audio Russian 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Japanese 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 22 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 27 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics Danish 20 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 20 kbps
Presentation Graphics Finnish 22 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 19 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 26 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 13 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics Norwegian 22 kbps
Presentation Graphics Swedish 21 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:05:48.139 Chapter 2
3 0:08:30.218 Chapter 3
4 0:12:35.838 Chapter 4
5 0:17:00.352 Chapter 5
6 0:20:30.270 Chapter 6
7 0:23:24.319 Chapter 7
8 0:26:59.200 Chapter 8
9 0:32:45.797 Chapter 9
10 0:35:15.530 Chapter 10
11 0:38:31.976 Chapter 11
12 0:40:52.450 Chapter 12
13 0:45:38.068 Chapter 13
14 0:49:48.777 Chapter 14
15 0:54:10.622 Chapter 15
16 0:57:15.849 Chapter 16
17 1:00:01.556 Chapter 17
18 1:01:27.141 Chapter 18
19 1:05:13.576 Chapter 19
20 1:06:54.260 Chapter 20
21 1:08:56.715 Chapter 21
22 1:13:09.551 Chapter 22
23 1:16:12.025 Chapter 23
24 1:20:04.591 Chapter 24
25 1:22:50.173 Chapter 25
26 1:28:49.824 Chapter 26
27 1:30:42.770 Chapter 27
28 1:34:49.475 Chapter 28
29 1:39:45.813 Chapter 29
30 1:45:16.476 Chapter 30
31 1:46:56.326 Chapter 31
32 1:50:32.834 Chapter 32
33 1:52:12.934 Chapter 33
34 1:54:37.120 Chapter 34
35 1:57:41.804 Chapter 35
36 2:01:07.009 Chapter 36
37 2:08:46.969 Chapter 37
38 2:10:28.862 Chapter 38
39 2:13:10.065 Chapter 39
40 2:17:02.130 Chapter 40
41 2:25:48.281 Chapter 41

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Full scan report with all 10 playlists attached as WinZip'd text file.

Wow Kannisto, glad to see you are going to contribute to this thread. I bet you have alot of discs that we don't have since we are primarily in the USA.

Back to the topic, I wonder why Fox is switching to TrueHD?? Right after we get the update to decode it in our PS3's...

August Rush - Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
August Rush VC-1 1:53:37 20,365,344,768 20,891,356,894 23.90 18.16 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1611Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)




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---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00000.M2TS 20,365,344,768 1:53:37.519 0:00:00.000 1:53:37.519

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 18155 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD Audio English 1611 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1611kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 20 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 29 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 18 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 20 kbps

Flatliners - LPCM (uncompressed) 16-bit/48kHz

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Flatliners MPEG-2 1:54:12 23,380,494,336 24,166,104,276 27.29 19.45 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps



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VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-2 Video 19446 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
LPCM Audio English 4608 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 4608kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps

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----- -------- ------- -----------
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Presentation Graphics English 35 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 22 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 35 kbps
Presentation Graphics Arabic 12 kbps
Presentation Graphics Bulgarian 22 kbps
Presentation Graphics Croatian 20 kbps
Presentation Graphics Czech 19 kbps
Presentation Graphics Danish 20 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 21 kbps
Presentation Graphics Finnish 21 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 21 kbps
Presentation Graphics Greek 21 kbps
Presentation Graphics Hebrew 16 kbps
Presentation Graphics Hindi 22 kbps
Presentation Graphics Hungarian 20 kbps
Presentation Graphics Icelandic 22 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 17 kbps
Presentation Graphics Norwegian 20 kbps
Presentation Graphics Polish 21 kbps
Presentation Graphics Romanian 22 kbps
Presentation Graphics Slovenian 19 kbps
Presentation Graphics Swedish 20 kbps
Presentation Graphics Turkish 20 kbps

Wow Kannisto, glad to see you are going to contribute to this thread. I bet you have alot of discs that we don't have since we are primarily in the USA.

Back to the topic, I wonder why Fox is switching to TrueHD?? Right after we get the update to decode it in our PS3's...

Thanks! lgans316 introduced me to this thread and asked if I could scan these releases and post the data here :) I had not been following this thread before yesterday.

I do have some Japanese, Korean and Hong Kong BD releases and some European imports and I'm always after the most interesting new ones so I can start to contribute more especially when I get something new and fresh :)

Yeah, I'm actually not so happy that Fox is switching to TrueHD as I enjoy the quality of the DTS core tracks on my optical output based somewhat limited audio setup.

Yeah, I'm actually not so happy that Fox is switching to TrueHD as I enjoy the quality of the DTS core tracks on my optical output based somewhat limited audio setup.

Sorry, but 640k DD > DTS @1536 (for those of you about to jump on this STOP COMPARING THE 448kbps DVD DD tracks! I'm talking about DD at full bitrate!)

Second: those of us in apartments appreciate TrueHD's (& DD's) dynamic range control aka night mode. Clear lossless sound without the neighbors petitioning for your eviction.

Third: TrueHD tracks have no pops from pause nor pops that can damage certain setups (despite the DSP firmware fixes, there's thousands of people unaware that there are fixes and are in danger of damage).

Fourth: No encoding screwups like on Die Hard 2 or 7.1 issues with numerous New Line discs.

Peter,

I would like some evidence that 640kbps DD is better than DTS at over twice the bitrate, especially since DTS maintains lossless where it can at that bitrate.

I am not saying it is not true, but I find it hard to believe myself and all I ever seem to see you doing anywhere is bashing DTS... so please provide some evidence to back up your claims.

Back to purpose - The Descent is measuring as AVC for the main encode and MPEG2 for the alternate picture in picture version, just as Benes' list indicates.

I will post the full reports later.

The difference between the main and alternate looks to be minimal since it is a branch for an alternate ending so I will probably not scan that version unless there is specific interest. It is of course also AVC.

The Descent - LPCM 6.1 (encoded as 7.1) 6144Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Descent AVC 1:39:50 23,020,302,336 48,362,529,368 30.74 21.56 LPCM 7.1 6144Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps




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00024.M2TS 1,353,068,544 0:05:55.730 1:33:55.254 1:39:50.984

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
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AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
LPCM Audio English 6144 kbps 7.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 6144kbps
Dolby Digital EX Audio English 640 kbps 5.1-EX / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 18 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 17 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:08:10.031 Chapter 2
3 0:14:22.111 Chapter 3
4 0:21:33.625 Chapter 4
5 0:28:50.270 Chapter 5
6 0:39:38.959 Chapter 6
7 0:45:24.012 Chapter 7
8 0:54:25.011 Chapter 8
9 0:58:23.249 Chapter 9
10 1:05:17.330 Chapter 10
11 1:10:16.086 Chapter 11
12 1:16:57.654 Chapter 12
13 1:20:17.979 Chapter 13
14 1:25:00.970 Chapter 14
15 1:29:05.465 Chapter 15
16 1:31:46.459 Chapter 16
17 1:39:50.734 Chapter 17

The Descent PiP - DD AC3 2.0 224Kbps


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Descent PiP MPEG-2 1:39:50 12,668,018,688 48,362,529,368 16.92 15.91 DD AC3 2.0 224Kbps




PLAYLIST REPORT:

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Size: 12,668,018,688 bytes
Length: 1:39:50 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 16.92 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00020.M2TS 12,668,018,688 1:39:50.985 0:00:00.000 1:39:50.985

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-2 Video 15911 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby Digital Audio English 224 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 224kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:08:10.031 Chapter 2
3 0:14:22.111 Chapter 3
4 0:21:33.625 Chapter 4
5 0:28:50.270 Chapter 5
6 0:39:38.959 Chapter 6
7 0:45:24.012 Chapter 7
8 0:54:25.011 Chapter 8
9 0:58:23.249 Chapter 9
10 1:05:17.330 Chapter 10
11 1:10:16.086 Chapter 11
12 1:16:57.654 Chapter 12
13 1:20:17.979 Chapter 13
14 1:25:00.970 Chapter 14
15 1:29:05.465 Chapter 15
16 1:31:46.459 Chapter 16
17 1:39:50.734 Chapter 17

The Descent Alternate - LPCM 6.1 (encoded as 7.1) 6144Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Descent Alternate AVC 1:38:35 22,579,138,560 48,362,529,368 30.53 21.36 LPCM 7.1 6144Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps




PLAYLIST REPORT:

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Length: 1:38:35 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 30.53 Mbps
Description:

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00002.M2TS 21,667,233,792 1:33:55.254 0:00:00.000 1:33:55.254
00025.M2TS 911,904,768 0:04:40.655 1:33:55.254 1:38:35.909

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 21360 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
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Dolby Digital EX Audio English 640 kbps 5.1-EX / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 18 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 18 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:08:10.031 Chapter 2
3 0:14:22.111 Chapter 3
4 0:21:33.625 Chapter 4
5 0:28:50.270 Chapter 5
6 0:39:38.959 Chapter 6
7 0:45:24.012 Chapter 7
8 0:54:25.011 Chapter 8
9 0:58:23.249 Chapter 9
10 1:05:17.330 Chapter 10
11 1:10:16.086 Chapter 11
12 1:16:57.654 Chapter 12
13 1:20:17.979 Chapter 13
14 1:25:00.970 Chapter 14
15 1:29:05.465 Chapter 15
16 1:31:46.459 Chapter 16
17 1:38:35.659 Chapter 17



For completeness... scanned with version 0.3.1

but I find it hard to believe myself and all I ever seem to see you doing anywhere is bashing DTS... so please provide some evidence to back up your claims.

Two can play this game.

Please provide evidence that it is NOT, on the exact same movies, same mixes, level matched.

To put it in video terms: MPEG4 vs MPEG2, I guess MPEG2 is better since it requires a higher bitrate?

When are you guys going to get it that DD is more efficient than DTS, there is no roll off of higher frequencies (starting @ 17kHz) for DD @448 like there is for DTS @768. If DTS was TRULY better it would sound BETTER than DD at lower bitrates!

As for "bashing": there's a "find more posts by..." option here. You will find VERY little "bashing" by me other than when DTS fanboys come out of the woodwork and spread FUD about DD or TrueHD.

Two can play this game.

Please provide evidence that it is NOT, on the exact same movies, same mixes, level matched.


I think that the person making claims that a codec using less than half the bitrate is superior has the burden of proof...

Personally at least half of the posts I have seen from you have been DTS bashing in one form or another, and often of your accord... that is just my observation.

Reminds me a lot of when Amir tried to convince us that somehow VC-1 was magically better than AVC...

However, if you look at August rush mentioned about you can see that the average bitrate of the lossless compression is 1611 kbps - one could easily imagine that a descent percentage of the film sound track could be encoded in 1500 kbps given this average - which I imagine would be closer to the master than a 640 kbps DD encode...

But what would I know...

Again, please explain why DTS is less efficient or at least give us some background reading...

Sorry, but 640k DD > DTS @1536 (for those of you about to jump on this STOP COMPARING THE 448kbps DVD DD tracks! I'm talking about DD at full bitrate!)

Second: those of us in apartments appreciate TrueHD's (& DD's) dynamic range control aka night mode. Clear lossless sound without the neighbors petitioning for your eviction.

Third: TrueHD tracks have no pops from pause nor pops that can damage certain setups (despite the DSP firmware fixes, there's thousands of people unaware that there are fixes and are in danger of damage).

Fourth: No encoding screwups like on Die Hard 2 or 7.1 issues with numerous New Line discs.

Fox used 448 kbps DD on Night Watch and 640 kbps on Day Watch so it's not necessarily an improvement over 1.5 mbps DTS core overall even if it were true that 640 kbps DD were better than 1.5 mbps DTS as you say.

I was commenting from the point of view of Fox switching from DTS HD MA to TrueHD and the audio options for optical output in either case and from my personal experience & preference, nothing else.

640k DD tracks don't typically sound better than 1.5 mbps DTS tracks in my setup based on my ears. It's the other way around in general, again based on my personal experience only.

640k DD tracks don't typically sound better than 1.5 mbps DTS tracks in my setup based on my ears. It's the other way around in general, again based on my personal experience only.

Don't mistake the mix for the codec.

Cloverfield on DVD in plain compressed lossy DD @448kbps beats the pants off of BD DTS-HD MA tracks like Hoosiers, RoboCop & The Fly.

Does that mean DD is superior to lossless?

Of course not. You can't compare codecs unless it's the exact same material, at the exact same volume.


Also, far more consumer devices support TrueHD decoding.

I think that the person making claims that a codec using less than half the bitrate is superior has the burden of proof...

Well, I work for a living and there's a handy search function in the forum. Feel free to email/PM Roger Dressler of Dolby. AFAIK DTS has never bothered to defend their claims on a forum such as this.

Personally at least half of the posts I have seen from you have been DTS bashing in one form or another, and often of your accord... that is just my observation.

As I pointed out, use the "find more posts by" function and you will see that this is hyperbole.

Reminds me a lot of when Amir tried to convince us that somehow VC-1 was magically better than AVC...

Depends on the bitrate, and if AVC's loop filter which can act as a grain NR tool, which I believe that is at the heart of the controversy over discs like Patton. Transformers on BD will be VC-1 and according to insiders looks better.

However, if you look at August rush mentioned about you can see that the average bitrate of the lossless compression is 1611 kbps - one could easily imagine that a descent percentage of the film sound track could be encoded in 1500 kbps given this average - which I imagine would be closer to the master than a 640 kbps DD encode...

But DTS Coherent Acoustics does not compress in the same way that AC-3 does, so it's not that simple as a comparison of bitrates. Again, I point out that even DTS admits their CAC codec starts to roll off frequencies @754 kbps, something that doesn't happen to Dolby Digital until 384kbps or lower.


Again, please explain why DTS is less efficient or at least give us some background reading...

Well, I work for a living and there's a handy search function in the forum. Feel free to email/PM Roger Dressler of Dolby. AFAIK DTS has never bothered to defend their claims on a forum such as this.

Would it really kill you to give us even a single link that backs up your claims?

Claims which on the surface appear to go against both common sense and people's general experiences it would seem?


Depends on the bitrate, and if AVC's loop filter which can act as a grain NR tool, which I believe that is at the heart of the controversy over discs like Patton. Transformers on BD will be VC-1 and according to insiders looks better.


Do you think that Transformers looks bad on HD DVD?

Do you think that the Blu-ray will have the same bitrate as the HD DVD?


But DTS Coherent Acoustics does not compress in the same way that AC-3 does, so it's not that simple as a comparison of bitrates. Again, I point out that even DTS admits their CAC codec starts to roll off frequencies @754 kbps, something that doesn't happen to Dolby Digital until 384kbps or lower.

This is the kind of information I was looking for - thanks - it is a good start.

Don't mistake the mix for the codec.

Cloverfield on DVD in plain compressed lossy DD @448kbps beats the pants off of BD DTS-HD MA tracks like Hoosiers, RoboCop & The Fly.

Does that mean DD is superior to lossless?

Of course not. You can't compare codecs unless it's the exact same material, at the exact same volume.


Also, far more consumer devices support TrueHD decoding.

I fully understand that different movies have different mixes and I'm not comparing just one movie to another movie. I have just been more impressed with many DTS core tracks in general after watching a whole lot of movies on HD DVD and BD with various lossy audio options available on those discs and I have then learned what to expect from DTS at 1.5 mbps and DD at 640 kbps in my setup as a kind of general experience over a lot of different discs. There aren't so many discs that include both 1.5 DTS track and 640 kbps DD track so comparing the 2 with the same exact mix is not often feasible.

I'm not claiming to have made any scientific comparisons or studies, I just stated a personal feeling about DTS at 1.5 mbps compared to DD tracks available on TrueHD discs. It wasn't even the main topic on my posts either, just a sidenote.

Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread too much into this argument so I won't be posting any more about this DTS vs. DD topic. I'll post again on this thread with some more disc scans next time :)

50 First Dates - LPCM 16bit


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
50 First Dates MPEG-2 1:39:03 18,519,121,920 20,223,047,558 24.93 17.05 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps




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Size: 18,519,121,920 bytes
Length: 1:39:03 (h:m:s)
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Description:

FILES:

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---- ---- ------ ------- --------
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VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-2 Video 17046 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
LPCM Audio English 4608 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
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Presentation Graphics English 72 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 48 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 49 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 41 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 53 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 58 kbps
Presentation Graphics Thai 49 kbps

GRAPHICS:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Interactive Graphics English 16 kbps

DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
Advertised
Total Video Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------- ----------------------- ---------------------
Mad Men: Season 1
Disc 1 - 5 Episodes AVC 3:53:13 49,740,926,976 49,979,468,058 28.44 22.99 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 3437Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Disc 2 - 4 Episodes AVC 3:09:42 39,939,237,888 49,471,996,941 28.07 22.62 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 3378Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)



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Length: 3:09:42 (h:m:s)
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---- ---- ------ ------- --------
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00008.M2TS 10,044,647,424 0:47:04.863 0:46:57.856 1:34:02.720
00009.M2TS 9,742,307,328 0:48:03.922 1:34:02.720 2:22:06.643
00010.M2TS 10,135,658,496 0:47:35.894 2:22:06.643 3:09:42.537

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 22617 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 3378 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 3348kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
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Presentation Graphics Spanish 70 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:00:38.455 Chapter 2
3 0:19:24.788 Chapter 3
4 0:32:50.051 Chapter 4
5 0:46:04.178 Chapter 5
6 0:46:57.856 Chapter 6
7 0:47:36.311 Chapter 7
8 1:04:32.535 Chapter 8
9 1:19:21.047 Chapter 9
10 1:33:09.250 Chapter 10
11 1:34:02.720 Chapter 11
12 1:34:41.175 Chapter 12
13 1:52:08.555 Chapter 13
14 2:03:54.009 Chapter 14
15 2:21:14.382 Chapter 15
16 2:22:06.643 Chapter 16
17 2:22:45.098 Chapter 17
18 2:37:25.686 Chapter 18
19 2:55:58.965 Chapter 19
20 3:08:49.192 Chapter 20
21 3:09:42.287 Chapter 21

Advertised
Total Video Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------- ----------------------- ---------------------
Mad Men: Season 1
Disc 1 - 5 Episodes AVC 3:53:13 49,740,926,976 49,979,468,058 28.44 22.99 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 3437Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Disc 2 - 4 Episodes AVC 3:09:42 39,939,237,888 49,471,996,941 28.07 22.62 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 3378Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

As lgans alluded to, looks like we have a new champ for longest main "movie" content crammed onto a BD, and largest "movie size".

From what I see:

Length
1. Man Men: S1 D1 @ 3:53:13
2. Weeds: S2 D1 @ 3:44:57

Movie Size
1. Man Men: S1 D1 @ 49,740,926,976 bytes
2. Damages: S1 D2 @ 47,340,896,256 bytes.

Disc Size
1. Dirty Dancing (jaggies) @ 50,037,102,827 bytes
2. Man Men: S1 D1 @ 49,979,468,058

I personally thank member Kannisto for being kind enough to post the BD Info of Night Watch and Day Watch (Japan Import).

I also thank member Phlyod for checking and posting the stats of The Descent. Looks like I have been given a defective copy as all versions in my BD copy are MPEG-2 encoded.

msgohan,

Aforementioned New Line can take "Mad Men: Season 1" as a prime example to encode LOTR. I know that the encode on LOTR would hover in the high teens or low 20s but considering the abundant usage of CGI and the rich production values (similar to King Kong) I think the New Line can still deliver us with excellent ~ reference PQ and SQ on Blu-ray.

Aforementioned New Line can take "Mad Men: Season 1" as a prime example to encode LOTR. I know that the encode on LOTR would hover in the high teens or low 20s but considering the abundant usage of CGI and the rich production values (similar to King Kong) I think the New Line can still deliver us with excellent ~ reference PQ and SQ on Blu-ray.
I guess the descent was tagged wrong. That or the press went fubar when no one was looking.

The thing with Mad Men is that there's very little camera movement (photography on it is fantastic though). I mean it's mostly just cuts and not a lot. I think most news reports have more camera movement. And all of the audio is dialogue. 2.1 would have been enough(I wouldn't want it though).

So while they have crammed a great deal of material on to a disc, most of is stills and silence(or quiet). The show has a very deliberate pace. Everyone should buy S1 of Mad Men, #2 show on cable after Dexter.

I also thank member Phlyod for checking and posting the stats of The Descent. Looks like I have been given a defective copy as all versions in my BD copy are MPEG-2 encoded.


I am still betting on the PS3 not telling the truth - I don't see how 'some discs are accidentally MPEG2' - it just doesn't seem plausible.

I may be able to get my PS3 to 2.4 today and will see what we find...

LJSilver at cinefacts.de posted (http://forum.cinefacts.de/188477-john-rambo-bekommt-ungeschnitten-seine-jk-freigabe-5.html#post5549274) some of the BDInfo for Warner Germany's Rambo Blu-ray. :D Confusing that he says it's Region Free though, maybe the non-steelbook really isn't locked? Or he's just going by old info. Also a shame that it looks like he clipped the rest of the info.

Warner DEUTSCH (codefree):


VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 17971 kbps 1080p / 23,976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 2653 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 2653kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1536kbps)
DTS-HD Master Audio German 4432 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 4432kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 3 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 50 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 71 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 4 kbps

I've never been to that forum before, quite interesting how similar it is to AVS.. just in Germany. :) They talk about the frame-skipping being on the German BD, so it's confirmed to be on every DVD and BD released.

Unless I calculated wrong those bitrates should give a movie size of roughly 16.4GB. Extras are only a 20 minute TV special and trailer in SD, so more space wastage by Warner.

Also as I suspected judging from the German DVD's setup, the two subtitle tracks with tiny bitrates must be for the foreign dialogue scenes only. The other two are German and German HoH which were actually advertised.

Trading Places - Dolby Digital 5.1 640 kbps


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Trading Places AVC 1:56:22 20,972,058,624 23,846,730,568 24.03 21.61 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps




PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00003.mpls
Size: 20,972,058,624 bytes
Length: 1:56:22 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 24.03 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00003.M2TS 20,972,058,624 1:56:22 0:00:00 1:56:22

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 21605 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio French 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 39 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 40 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 37 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 37 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 36 kbps

GRAPHICS:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Interactive Graphics English 16 kbps



I also have some other titles that are in the list but maybe were not 'fully published' or we published with the older squid code...

If there is interest I can post them.

I also have some other titles that are in the list but maybe were not 'fully published' or we published with the older squid code...

If there is interest I can post them.
If they aren't in the list or have incomplete information, I say definitely bring 'em on!

Many of the items in the list were measured with other tools like xport or MPEG2Repair. These should be highly accurate and probably don't need to be reposted, although I don't personally see any harm in it if you are so inclined (especially titles with TrueHD or DTS-HD tracks since those audio bitrates make for interesting data points).

Before this tool, MPEG2 and AVC streams could be scanned by MPEG2repair which was accurate, but VC-1 had to be calculated by hand.

Aforementioned New Line can take "Mad Men: Season 1" as a prime example to encode LOTR. I know that the encode on LOTR would hover in the high teens or low 20s but considering the abundant usage of CGI and the rich production values (similar to King Kong) I think the New Line can still deliver us with excellent ~ reference PQ and SQ on Blu-ray.

I would personally hope that New Line/Warner encodes the extended editions on 2 BD-50s for each movie. I would rather switch discs than the picture quality to be compromised. I do agree that it should compress a little easier than a normal film because of the extensive CGI.

My PS3 that is currently at 2.36 correctly reports The Descent to be AVC.

Once I work out how to update to 2.4 I will test it again.

They have taken 2.4 down so I will need to DL it from somewhere I guess.

My PS3 that is currently at 2.36 correctly reports The Descent to be AVC.

Once I work out how to update to 2.4 I will test it again.

They have taken 2.4 down so I will need to DL it from somewhere I guess.

2.41's out now :)

Are you sure?
BluRay movie size 23,792,474,112
HdDvd movie size 19,857,584,128

OK, n00b question but bear with me:

Could the differences in size be due to how/where the PiP track is stored in HD vs. BD? I.e. could the PiP data be external to the main "movie size" in HD but counted in BD?

Or is something else going on?

-John

Others have stated that there are numerous audio tracks not present on the HD DVD. What you suggest is also possible. I know that the PiP is muxed into the movie file(s) for other BDs but I can't say for this one or how HD DVDs do it.

OK, n00b question but bear with me:

Could the differences in size be due to how/where the PiP track is stored in HD vs. BD? I.e. could the PiP data be external to the main "movie size" in HD but counted in BD?

Or is something else going on?

-John

Transport streams inherently have more overhead than the program streams - however with that much additional I would say there has to be either higher bitrate streams involved or additional streams of some kind.

BDInfo scan for CSI Miami S05 Disc 1 is attached.

Whoops! Thanks for posting it, but you should hit the checkbox next to the episode playlists and hit "Scan Bitrates" then let it fnish so that the VBR streams aren't listed as "0kbps".

So far what's been done for TV boxsets is to manually add up all the episode sizes and running times for one "movie size" and "length" per disc. Then add up each of the VBR bitrates and divide by # of eps on the disc for the average.

So far what's been done for TV boxsets is to manually add up all the episode sizes and running times for one "movie size" and "length" per disc. Then add up each of the VBR bitrates and divide by # of eps on the disc for the average.
That's what I do, although it's admittedly a little bit of a pain - a definite target for an interface enhancement.

In the current version of BDInfo, you can generate different reports by selecting/unselecting playlists and only the selected playlists are put in the text report. This is independent of the bitrate scan results so right now, for example, you can bitrate scan the entire disc (i.e. nothing checked) which will be kept in memory and then generate as many partial reports as you want by just checking different playlists and clicking View Report. One simple approach would be to put a "summary section" at the end of the report which sums/averages the selected playlists. Not a particularly intuitive user interface solution to the problem and would create weird results for a full report, but it would be easy to put in at least.

I do have one small change to roll out which deals with the situation where disc copy-protection is not deactivated. Currently, the initial scan of a copy-protected disc will pretty much run as a full disc scan (i.e. a long time) since the initial scan does not quit until all detailed stream information has been collected or the entire disc has been read. However, with a copy-protected disc this will never happen, so it's either going to read the entire disc on the initial "Browse" scan or blow-up somewhere during the process because of weirdly scrambled data.

I'm thinking that I will put in this initial disc scan fix, the "summary section" addition, and Patsfan123's report autosave suggestion for a new version. I will be putting off the peak bitrate and chapter bitrate tracking for a little longer, but if there are any other BDInfo suggestions I am always open to them. Another idea that I am considering is to count different video frame types (I, P, B, etc.) to present as part of the report. Not sure how useful that actually is, but I thought it might be interesting.

Patsfan123's report autosave suggestion for a new version

You can probably throw in a checkbox option to toggle ON/OFF autosave.

The Devil's Own - Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Devil's Own AVC 1:51:15 29,919,842,304 31,798,802,456 35.86 23.97 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1571Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)



PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00001.mpls
Size: 29,919,842,304 bytes
Length: 1:51:15 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 35.86 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00011.M2TS 29,919,842,304 1:51:15.669 0:00:00.000 1:51:15.669

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 23970 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD Audio English 1571 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1571kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby TrueHD Audio French 1662 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1662kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby TrueHD Audio Portuguese 1514 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1514kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 21 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 17 kbps
Presentation Graphics Arabic 9 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 17 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 16 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 20 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 16 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 17 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 19 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:13:56.710 Chapter 2
3 0:21:07.599 Chapter 3
4 0:27:06.708 Chapter 4
5 0:33:43.896 Chapter 5
6 0:38:34.520 Chapter 6
7 0:45:38.068 Chapter 7
8 0:54:39.025 Chapter 8
9 1:00:06.936 Chapter 9
10 1:06:36.325 Chapter 10
11 1:13:27.653 Chapter 11
12 1:18:18.151 Chapter 12
13 1:25:13.983 Chapter 13
14 1:33:18.843 Chapter 14
15 1:38:05.129 Chapter 15
16 1:41:56.360 Chapter 16

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File PID Type Seconds Bytes Packets Bitrate
---- --- ---- ------- ----- ------- -------
00011.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0x1B 6675.67 20,002,060,696 108,801,067 23970.10
00011.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x83 6675.67 1,844,827,768 14,118,094 2210.81
00011.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x83 6675.67 1,921,074,326 15,161,449 2302.18
00011.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x83 6675.67 1,797,583,280 13,671,588 2154.19
00011.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 6675.67 534,054,400 3,129,225 640.00
00011.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 6675.67 17,140,803 98,294 20.54
00011.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 6675.67 14,202,533 83,375 17.02
00011.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 6675.67 16,498,442 94,776 19.77
00011.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 6675.67 15,461,531 88,990 18.53
00011.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 6675.67 14,378,903 82,904 17.23
00011.M2TS 4613 (0x1205) 0x90 6675.67 14,035,651 81,323 16.82
00011.M2TS 4614 (0x1206) 0x90 6675.67 13,065,251 76,062 15.66
00011.M2TS 4615 (0x1207) 0x90 6675.67 13,205,373 75,818 15.83
00011.M2TS 4616 (0x1208) 0x90 6675.67 7,668,672 45,888 9.19

Dark Water - LPCM (uncompressed) 16-bit/48kHz

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Dark Water MPEG-2 1:44:40 19,054,534,656 20,479,964,572 24.27 16.77 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps



PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00001.mpls
Size: 19,054,534,656 bytes
Length: 1:44:40 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 24.27 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00002.M2TS 19,054,534,656 1:44:40.816 0:00:00.000 1:44:40.816

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-2 Video 16772 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
LPCM Audio English 4608 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 4608kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 37 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 27 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 28 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 0 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:03:46.643 Chapter 2
3 0:07:58.978 Chapter 3
4 0:11:27.103 Chapter 4
5 0:15:01.150 Chapter 5
6 0:18:17.721 Chapter 6
7 0:21:48.765 Chapter 7
8 0:25:40.330 Chapter 8
9 0:30:18.399 Chapter 9
10 0:34:02.331 Chapter 10
11 0:38:49.994 Chapter 11
12 0:43:01.161 Chapter 12
13 0:46:18.859 Chapter 13
14 0:50:30.027 Chapter 14
15 0:55:31.077 Chapter 15
16 0:58:54.030 Chapter 16
17 1:02:52.393 Chapter 17
18 1:07:41.724 Chapter 18
19 1:11:53.976 Chapter 19
20 1:17:10.042 Chapter 20
21 1:20:29.908 Chapter 21
22 1:26:24.679 Chapter 22
23 1:31:28.483 Chapter 23
24 1:37:09.031 Chapter 24
25 1:44:39.731 Chapter 25

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File PID Type Seconds Bytes Packets Bitrate
---- --- ---- ------- ----- ------- -------
00002.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0x02 6280.82 13,168,027,441 71,652,987 16772.38
00002.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x80 6280.82 3,617,752,320 20,098,624 4608.00
00002.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x81 6280.82 502,466,560 2,944,140 640.00
00002.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 6280.82 351,726,592 1,962,760 448.00
00002.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 6280.82 351,726,592 1,962,760 448.00
00002.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 6280.82 28,888,736 164,392 36.80
00002.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 6280.82 21,403,898 121,958 27.26
00002.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 6280.82 21,604,267 123,112 27.52
00002.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 6280.82 102,300 584 0.13
00002.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 6280.82 106,992 615 0.14

DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
Advertised
Total Video Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------- ----------------------- ---------------------
Mad Men: Season 1
Disc 1 - 5 Episodes AVC 3:53:13 49,740,926,976 49,979,468,058 28.44 22.99 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 3437Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Disc 2 - 4 Episodes AVC 3:09:42 39,939,237,888 49,471,996,941 28.07 22.62 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 3378Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Disc 3 - 4 Episodes AVC 3:15:41 39,378,696,192 48,336,877,169 26.83 21.49 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 3385Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)




PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00700.mpls
Size: 39,378,696,192 bytes
Length: 3:15:41 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 26.83 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00008.M2TS 9,692,055,552 0:47:57.916 0:00:00.000 0:47:57.916
00009.M2TS 9,590,274,048 0:47:58.917 0:47:57.916 1:35:56.834
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00011.M2TS 10,424,666,112 0:51:54.152 2:23:47.744 3:15:41.896

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 21491 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 3385 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 3403kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 64 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 62 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:00:38.038 Chapter 2
3 0:17:18.579 Chapter 3
4 0:32:45.964 Chapter 4
5 0:47:05.239 Chapter 5
6 0:47:57.916 Chapter 6
7 0:48:36.371 Chapter 7
8 1:06:18.182 Chapter 8
9 1:20:14.226 Chapter 9
10 1:35:03.572 Chapter 10
11 1:35:56.834 Chapter 11
12 1:36:35.498 Chapter 12
13 1:53:17.665 Chapter 13
14 2:08:20.067 Chapter 14
15 2:22:54.065 Chapter 15
16 2:23:47.744 Chapter 16
17 2:24:25.198 Chapter 17
18 2:38:55.567 Chapter 18
19 2:53:31.651 Chapter 19
20 3:14:48.635 Chapter 20
21 3:15:41.646 Chapter 21



For fun:
The Dark Knight IMAX prologue from BB BD.


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Dark Knight Prologue VC-1 0:06:37 1,234,102,272 35,125,025,347 24.86 22.91 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps



PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00055.mpls
Size: 1,234,102,272 bytes
Length: 0:06:37 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 24.86 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00120.M2TS 1,234,102,272 0:06:37.146 0:00:00.000 0:06:37.146

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 22911 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 23 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 22 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 20 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 16 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 13 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 24 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 23 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:06:37.105 Chapter 2



I saw video peaks of 37Mbps on this.

The Lake House - Dolby Digital AC3 (lossy compression)

I mentally prepared some snide comments regarding the specs for this disc, but what's the point of speaking them out loud? I certainly wouldn't want to be stereotyped as one of those crass "bitrate watchers"... people might think I own an LCD and PS3 as well and even (gasp) play video games! :)


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Lake House VC-1 1:38:33 12,921,870,336 13,622,616,066 17.48 14.41 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps




PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00000.mpls
Size: 12,921,870,336 bytes
Length: 1:38:33 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 17.48 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00000.M2TS 12,921,870,336 1:38:33.699 0:00:00.000 1:38:33.699

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 14414 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 47 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 51 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 46 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 45 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:03:35.381 Chapter 2
3 0:07:38.291 Chapter 3
4 0:13:18.130 Chapter 4
5 0:17:17.202 Chapter 5
6 0:23:39.418 Chapter 6
7 0:26:58.450 Chapter 7
8 0:32:44.629 Chapter 8
9 0:36:40.364 Chapter 9
10 0:40:25.423 Chapter 10
11 0:45:45.743 Chapter 11
12 0:50:27.858 Chapter 12
13 0:59:24.727 Chapter 13
14 1:03:21.297 Chapter 14
15 1:09:23.993 Chapter 15
16 1:13:14.890 Chapter 16
17 1:15:48.544 Chapter 17
18 1:20:21.483 Chapter 18
19 1:24:50.752 Chapter 19
20 1:28:11.119 Chapter 20
21 1:35:03.531 Chapter 21
22 1:38:33.198 Chapter 22

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File PID Type Seconds Bytes Packets Bitrate
---- --- ---- ------- ----- ------- -------
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00000.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x81 5913.70 473,098,240 2,772,060 640.00
00000.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x81 5913.70 473,098,240 2,772,060 640.00
00000.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 5913.70 473,098,240 2,772,060 640.00
00000.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 5913.70 34,985,051 197,442 47.33
00000.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 5913.70 37,751,433 212,773 51.07
00000.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 5913.70 34,216,950 193,143 46.29
00000.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 5913.70 33,453,148 189,035 45.26

Failure to Launch - Dolby Digital AC3 (lossy compression)

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Failure to Launch MPEG-2 1:36:20 18,889,058,304 22,083,746,686 26.14 22.71 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps



PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00003.mpls
Size: 18,889,058,304 bytes
Length: 1:36:20 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 26.14 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00003.M2TS 18,889,058,304 1:36:20.775 0:00:00.000 1:36:20.775

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-2 Video 22710 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 49 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 53 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 47 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 41 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:07:20.273 Chapter 2
3 0:14:26.866 Chapter 3
4 0:20:19.092 Chapter 4
5 0:26:22.581 Chapter 5
6 0:35:20.910 Chapter 6
7 0:43:00.411 Chapter 7
8 0:51:28.335 Chapter 8
9 0:59:26.104 Chapter 9
10 1:07:56.739 Chapter 10
11 1:17:31.772 Chapter 11
12 1:22:37.702 Chapter 12
13 1:28:14.289 Chapter 13

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File PID Type Seconds Bytes Packets Bitrate
---- --- ---- ------- ----- ------- -------
00003.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0x02 5780.78 16,409,919,898 89,265,124 22709.65
00003.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x81 5780.78 462,464,000 2,709,750 640.00
00003.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x81 5780.78 462,464,000 2,709,750 640.00
00003.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 5780.78 462,464,000 2,709,750 640.00
00003.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 5780.78 35,397,343 203,518 48.99
00003.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 5780.78 38,448,596 221,392 53.21
00003.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 5780.78 33,959,796 195,705 47.00
00003.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 5780.78 29,694,163 171,820 41.09

Patsfan123, can you post the full report for Batman Begins itself? House noted that his was inaccurate due to issues with the old BDInfo version.

Mmmkay
Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ----------------- ---------------------
Batman Begins VC-1 2:20:02 23,792,474,112 35,115,738,871 22.65 13.69 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1551Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps


PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00012.mpls
Size: 23,792,474,112 bytes
Length: 2:20:02 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 22.65 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00000.M2TS 23,792,474,112 2:20:02.852 0:00:00.000 2:20:02.852

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 13692 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps
VC-1 Video 634 kbps 480p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD Audio English 1551 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1551kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Japanese 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Portuguese 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Plus Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 37 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 28 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 23 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 30 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 21 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 32 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 17 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 20 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 35 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 21 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 15 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 22 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 25 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 34 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 17 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 25 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 33 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 16 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:03:39.219 Chapter 2
3 0:07:31.117 Chapter 3
4 0:11:34.026 Chapter 4
5 0:16:15.641 Chapter 5
6 0:19:44.349 Chapter 6
7 0:24:19.291 Chapter 7
8 0:28:24.703 Chapter 8
9 0:31:25.383 Chapter 9
10 0:35:53.818 Chapter 10
11 0:38:24.635 Chapter 11
12 0:41:14.638 Chapter 12
13 0:43:08.252 Chapter 13
14 0:46:57.981 Chapter 14
15 0:49:43.981 Chapter 15
16 0:53:26.203 Chapter 16
17 0:55:55.018 Chapter 17
18 0:58:02.145 Chapter 18
19 1:03:31.808 Chapter 19
20 1:05:53.115 Chapter 20
21 1:08:38.781 Chapter 21
22 1:11:25.781 Chapter 22
23 1:13:19.561 Chapter 23
24 1:16:16.238 Chapter 24
25 1:19:50.285 Chapter 25
26 1:23:54.362 Chapter 26
27 1:29:02.670 Chapter 27
28 1:32:36.717 Chapter 28
29 1:37:49.029 Chapter 29
30 1:40:33.694 Chapter 30
31 1:45:08.969 Chapter 31
32 1:49:32.065 Chapter 32
33 1:51:29.182 Chapter 33
34 1:54:49.048 Chapter 34
35 1:58:11.084 Chapter 35
36 2:01:54.974 Chapter 36
37 2:05:01.160 Chapter 37
38 2:06:06.892 Chapter 38
39 2:09:18.417 Chapter 39
40 2:10:57.015 Chapter 40
41 2:20:02.811 Chapter 41




M2TS, 2 video tracks, 7 audio tracks, 2:20:03
1: Chapters, 80 chapters
2: VC-1, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: VC-1, 480p24 /1.001 (3:2), 83ms
4: AC3, English, 5.1 channels, 640kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, 83ms
5: TrueHD/AC3, English, 5.1 channels, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, 83ms
6: AC3, French, 5.1 channels, 640kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, 83ms
7: AC3, Spanish, 5.1 channels, 640kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, 83ms
8: AC3, Portuguese, 5.1 channels, 640kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, 83ms
9: AC3, Japanese, 5.1 channels, 640kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, 83ms
10: E-AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, 83ms


Funny I pretty much watched the scan and the video bitrate was around 15.50Mbps the whole time and dropped off at the end and the PIP was around 1200Kbps then dropped off.

Also I rewatched the Prologue and watched the bitrate meter on the PS3; it was in the 30's for most of it.

Funny I pretty much watched the scan and the video bitrate was around 15.50Mbps the whole time and dropped off at the end and the PIP was around 1200Kbps then dropped off.

Also I rewatched the Prologue and watched the bitrate meter on the PS3; it was in the 30's for most of it.
Do you feel that the video bitrate numbers might be off? I did some comparisons against the demuxed output on a number of titles and the numbers were not exact to the byte, but pretty close. Even older versions of BDInfo were within +/- 0.01 Mbps, so I definitely would like to know if there is a problem. The stream diagnostic byte and packet counts should help with this comparison.

No, I think it's correct but I feel like the majority of the movie has a higher bitrate and for some reason they encoded the end at a lower bitrate. I don't need to be convinced because what this tool and Mpeg2repair say are about the same.

The Mummy;


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Mummy VC-1 2:04:53 31,593,603,072 35,801,257,509 33.73 23.30 DTS-HD Master 5.1 4649Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DTS-HD Hi-Res 2.0 192Kbps




PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00007.mpls
Size: 31,593,603,072 bytes
Length: 2:04:53 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 33.73 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00000.M2TS 31,593,603,072 2:04:53.235 0:00:00.000 2:04:53.235

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 23301 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps
VC-1 Video 1421 kbps 480p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 4649 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 4649kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
DTS Audio French 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
DTS Audio Spanish 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
DTS-HD Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 27 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 20 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 1 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 19 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 1 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:07:10.596 Chapter 2
3 0:12:19.196 Chapter 3
4 0:23:19.689 Chapter 4
5 0:29:03.283 Chapter 5
6 0:36:46.204 Chapter 6
7 0:43:38.866 Chapter 7
8 0:49:06.568 Chapter 8
9 0:53:34.127 Chapter 9
10 0:57:29.612 Chapter 10
11 1:11:13.310 Chapter 11
12 1:18:48.265 Chapter 12
13 1:27:29.577 Chapter 13
14 1:30:03.940 Chapter 14
15 1:36:32.828 Chapter 15
16 1:43:58.899 Chapter 16
17 1:49:44.828 Chapter 17
18 1:56:52.088 Chapter 18
19 2:04:52.985 Chapter 19

The Mummy HD DVD (1999) VC-1 2:04:45 19,933,059,072*~24,511,127,191 21.30 ~16.98 DDPlus 5.1 1536Kbps No

Thanks House. Did you scan Mummy using the latest version of BDInfo ?
Looks to be a new encode after comparing with the HD DVD specs.

I like how House is in the UK and is able to get US releases weeks before I can (living in the US).

Thanks House. Did you scan Mummy using the latest version of BDInfo ?


Yes.

I like how House is in the UK and is able to get US releases weeks before I can (living in the US).

:)

Mummy Returns;


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Mummy Returns VC-1 2:09:38 31,311,243,264 36,030,655,043 32.20 23.07 DTS-HD Master 5.1 4553Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DTS-HD Hi-Res 2.0 192Kbps




PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00010.mpls
Size: 31,311,243,264 bytes
Length: 2:09:38 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 32.20 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00050.M2TS 31,311,243,264 2:09:38.395 0:00:00.000 2:09:38.395

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 23073 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps
VC-1 Video 744 kbps 480p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 4553 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 4553kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
DTS Audio French 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
DTS Audio Spanish 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
DTS-HD Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 24 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 21 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 2 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 21 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 2 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:04:41.489 Chapter 2
3 0:10:03.519 Chapter 3
4 0:13:33.395 Chapter 4
5 0:17:03.897 Chapter 5
6 0:23:20.774 Chapter 6
7 0:26:17.158 Chapter 7
8 0:35:25.248 Chapter 8
9 0:42:01.685 Chapter 9
10 0:46:51.725 Chapter 10
11 0:56:03.151 Chapter 11
12 1:06:37.410 Chapter 12
13 1:17:00.657 Chapter 13
14 1:27:33.665 Chapter 14
15 1:35:27.638 Chapter 15
16 1:42:44.074 Chapter 16
17 1:47:43.790 Chapter 17
18 1:51:20.840 Chapter 18
19 1:53:26.382 Chapter 19
20 2:01:49.176 Chapter 20
21 2:09:38.145 Chapter 21

Thanks Patsfan123. :)


Dolby Digital Plus Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

Is that a commentary track.. in DD+?


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Mummy VC-1 2:04:53 31,593,603,072 35,801,257,509 33.73 23.30 DTS-HD Master 5.1 4649Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DTS-HD Hi-Res 2.0 192Kbps


And is that "Secondary Audio" another strangely encoded commentary? (likewise for Returns)

Speaking of commentaries, I noticed the other day that the commentary track on the UK "Pan's Labyrinth" is incorrectly tagged as Spanish. Guess we can't put too much faith in their labelling.

Do you feel that the video bitrate numbers might be off? I did some comparisons against the demuxed output on a number of titles and the numbers were not exact to the byte, but pretty close. Even older versions of BDInfo were within +/- 0.01 Mbps, so I definitely would like to know if there is a problem. The stream diagnostic byte and packet counts should help with this comparison.

Rambo
Demuxed .avc file: 18,410,283,276 bytes
Filesize / length = 26.8224Mbps

Older BDInfo:

Advertised
Total Video Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------- ----------------------- ---------------------
Rambo AVC 1:31:31 26,384,185,344# 46,855,015,149 38.44 26.88 DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 5740Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

New BDInfo (v0.3.0 or v0.3.1, I can't recall):


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Rambo AVC 1:31:31 26,384,185,344# 46,855,015,149 38.44 26.82 DTS-HD Master 7.1 5516Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

Yep I believe the PIP commentary for Batman Begins is DD+ so it must be a direct port of the HD DVD PIP commentary. It does play on the PS3 fine, eventhough that breaks Blu-ray specs... It looks like the PIP commentary on each Mummy is encoded in DTS-HD.

Anyone know if Disney's UK release of There Will Be Blood has identical specs to the Paramount US version?

Yep I believe the PIP commentary for Batman Begins is DD+ so it must be a direct port of the HD DVD PIP commentary. It does play on the PS3 fine, eventhough that breaks Blu-ray specs... It looks like the PIP commentary on each Mummy is encoded in DTS-HD.
There are actually separate "secondary" stream type markers for these tracks which should show up in the stream diagnostics:

AC3 PLUS AUDIO = 0x84
DTS HD AUDIO = 0x85
AC3 PLUS SECONDARY AUDIO = 0xA1
DTS HD SECONDARY AUDIO = 0xA2

It's interesting that BDInfo did not seem to detect a core DTS track for the Mummy DTS-HD one - maybe they don't have a core? V for Vendetta also has one of those DD+ tracks for the PiP audio...perhaps I should repost it!


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
V for Vendetta VC-1 2:12:32 22,824,474,624 27,375,237,016 22.96 12.53 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1376Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps




PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00003.mpls
Size: 22,824,474,624 bytes
Length: 2:12:32 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 22.96 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00003.M2TS 22,824,474,624 2:12:32.361 0:00:00.000 2:12:32.361

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 12526 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps
VC-1 Video 969 kbps 480p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD Audio English 1376 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1376kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio German 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Italian 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Japanese 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Plus Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 43 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 51 kbps
Presentation Graphics Danish 31 kbps
Presentation Graphics Danish 41 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 32 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 43 kbps
Presentation Graphics Finnish 32 kbps
Presentation Graphics Finnish 43 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 31 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 43 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 44 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 46 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 52 kbps
Presentation Graphics Italian 41 kbps
Presentation Graphics Italian 44 kbps
Presentation Graphics Italian 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics Italian 50 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 30 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 41 kbps
Presentation Graphics Norwegian 38 kbps
Presentation Graphics Norwegian 45 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 43 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 47 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 42 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 36 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 48 kbps
Presentation Graphics Swedish 34 kbps
Presentation Graphics Swedish 38 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:02:24.310 Chapter 2
3 0:09:07.880 Chapter 3
4 0:11:00.409 Chapter 4
5 0:16:26.986 Chapter 5
6 0:21:56.648 Chapter 6
7 0:25:01.500 Chapter 7
8 0:30:09.808 Chapter 8
9 0:35:37.468 Chapter 9
10 0:40:37.435 Chapter 10
11 0:43:14.258 Chapter 11
12 0:48:02.713 Chapter 12
13 0:49:40.978 Chapter 13
14 0:54:11.081 Chapter 14
15 0:56:39.562 Chapter 15
16 1:00:31.294 Chapter 16
17 1:04:47.049 Chapter 17
18 1:09:41.177 Chapter 18
19 1:12:07.489 Chapter 19
20 1:18:49.725 Chapter 20
21 1:21:13.034 Chapter 21
22 1:26:01.656 Chapter 22
23 1:29:20.688 Chapter 23
24 1:32:08.356 Chapter 24
25 1:36:21.275 Chapter 25
26 1:39:28.462 Chapter 26
27 1:44:17.584 Chapter 27
28 1:48:50.357 Chapter 28
29 1:52:03.717 Chapter 29
30 1:53:57.664 Chapter 30
31 1:57:51.564 Chapter 31
32 1:59:35.334 Chapter 32
33 2:04:38.471 Chapter 33
34 2:12:32.110 Chapter 34

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File PID Type Seconds Bytes Packets Bitrate
---- --- ---- ------- ----- ------- -------
00003.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0xEA 7952.36 12,451,404,491 67,785,148 12526.00
00003.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x81 7952.36 445,333,504 2,485,120 448.00
00003.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x83 7952.36 1,813,565,288 14,190,881 1824.43
00003.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 7952.36 636,190,720 3,727,680 640.00
00003.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 7952.36 445,333,504 2,485,120 448.00
00003.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 7952.36 42,350,513 241,957 42.60
00003.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 7952.36 31,030,721 180,128 31.22
00003.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 7952.36 43,594,304 248,440 43.86
00003.M2TS 6912 (0x1B00) 0xEA 7952.36 962,906,795 5,391,862 968.68
00003.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 7952.36 45,907,946 261,857 46.18
00003.M2TS 4356 (0x1104) 0x81 7952.36 636,190,720 3,727,680 640.00
00003.M2TS 4357 (0x1105) 0x81 7952.36 636,190,720 3,727,680 640.00
00003.M2TS 4358 (0x1106) 0x81 7952.36 636,190,720 3,727,680 640.00
00003.M2TS 4359 (0x1107) 0x81 7952.36 636,190,720 3,727,680 640.00
00003.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 7952.36 41,004,321 233,891 41.25
00003.M2TS 4613 (0x1205) 0x90 7952.36 43,364,854 247,544 43.62
00003.M2TS 4614 (0x1206) 0x90 7952.36 41,415,182 236,507 41.66
00003.M2TS 4615 (0x1207) 0x90 7952.36 32,140,031 184,271 32.33
00003.M2TS 4616 (0x1208) 0x90 7952.36 29,585,199 171,788 29.76
00003.M2TS 4617 (0x1209) 0x90 7952.36 42,921,519 244,823 43.18
00003.M2TS 4618 (0x120A) 0x90 7952.36 30,847,820 175,186 31.03
00003.M2TS 4619 (0x120B) 0x90 7952.36 31,965,178 181,918 32.16
00003.M2TS 4620 (0x120C) 0x90 7952.36 37,680,114 214,435 37.91
00003.M2TS 4621 (0x120D) 0x90 7952.36 33,631,150 191,084 33.83
00003.M2TS 4622 (0x120E) 0x90 7952.36 189,437 1,102 0.19
00003.M2TS 4623 (0x120F) 0x90 7952.36 229,758 1,310 0.23
00003.M2TS 4624 (0x1210) 0x90 7952.36 423,530 2,441 0.43
00003.M2TS 4625 (0x1211) 0x90 7952.36 266,091 1,524 0.27
00003.M2TS 4626 (0x1212) 0x90 7952.36 295,561 1,742 0.30
00003.M2TS 4627 (0x1213) 0x90 7952.36 36,228,816 207,942 36.45
00003.M2TS 4628 (0x1214) 0x90 7952.36 50,668,187 287,893 50.97
00003.M2TS 4629 (0x1215) 0x90 7952.36 43,081,459 246,841 43.34
00003.M2TS 4630 (0x1216) 0x90 7952.36 51,810,553 294,596 52.12
00003.M2TS 4631 (0x1217) 0x90 7952.36 49,633,958 282,309 49.93
00003.M2TS 4632 (0x1218) 0x90 7952.36 42,708,657 243,850 42.96
00003.M2TS 4633 (0x1219) 0x90 7952.36 40,712,249 234,565 40.96
00003.M2TS 4634 (0x121A) 0x90 7952.36 47,736,503 272,041 48.02
00003.M2TS 4635 (0x121B) 0x90 7952.36 47,193,056 269,054 47.48
00003.M2TS 4636 (0x121C) 0x90 7952.36 41,053,672 233,525 41.30
00003.M2TS 4637 (0x121D) 0x90 7952.36 42,598,855 242,050 42.85
00003.M2TS 4638 (0x121E) 0x90 7952.36 44,681,879 254,501 44.95
00003.M2TS 4639 (0x121F) 0x90 7952.36 37,985,276 216,232 38.21
00003.M2TS 6656 (0x1A00) 0xA1 7952.36 190,857,216 1,242,560 192.00

The Mummy HD DVD (1999) VC-1 2:04:45 19,933,059,072*~24,511,127,191 21.30 ~16.98 DDPlus 5.1 1536Kbps No

Thanks House. Did you scan Mummy using the latest version of BDInfo ?
Looks to be a new encode after comparing with the HD DVD specs.

That is excellent news if they follow it as a rule... some titles like Kong I think will benefit from more bitrate...

It is also interesting to see a 2.0 HR audio track.

The Ruins - Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Ruins VC-1 1:33:25 23,960,868,864 31,328,446,882 34.20 27.78 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3005Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)



PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00000.mpls
Size: 23,960,868,864 bytes
Length: 1:33:25 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 34.20 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00000.M2TS 23,960,868,864 1:33:25.641 0:00:00.000 1:33:25.641

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 27782 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD Audio English 3005 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 3005kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 27 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 33 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 20 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 25 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 21 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:09:48.588 Chapter 2
3 0:18:24.603 Chapter 3
4 0:26:40.432 Chapter 4
5 0:36:56.505 Chapter 5
6 0:44:15.694 Chapter 6
7 0:56:44.734 Chapter 7
8 1:03:25.051 Chapter 8
9 1:11:25.364 Chapter 9
10 1:21:45.483 Chapter 10
11 1:28:12.287 Chapter 11

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File PID Type Seconds Bytes Packets Bitrate
---- --- ---- ------- ----- ------- -------
00000.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0xEA 5605.64 19,466,836,332 105,879,421 27781.78
00000.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x83 5605.64 2,553,875,930 17,343,083 3644.72
00000.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x81 5605.64 134,535,936 875,885 192.00
00000.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 5605.64 18,736,183 108,846 26.74
00000.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 5605.64 22,779,751 132,029 32.51
00000.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 5605.64 13,728,588 80,569 19.59
00000.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 5605.64 15,005,719 87,783 21.42
00000.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 5605.64 17,257,110 100,765 24.63

Million Dollar Baby - Dolby Digital AC3 (lossy compression)

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Million Dollar Baby VC-1 2:12:35 17,120,385,024 19,891,894,282 17.22 14.83 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps



PLAYLIST REPORT:

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Size: 17,120,385,024 bytes
Length: 2:12:35 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 17.22 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00000.M2TS 17,120,385,024 2:12:35.238 0:00:00.000 2:12:35.238

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 14826 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 55 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 58 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 47 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 55 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:03:02.640 Chapter 2
3 0:06:42.026 Chapter 3
4 0:10:27.418 Chapter 4
5 0:14:15.062 Chapter 5
6 0:17:43.228 Chapter 6
7 0:23:07.177 Chapter 7
8 0:25:20.977 Chapter 8
9 0:29:06.453 Chapter 9
10 0:31:53.620 Chapter 10
11 0:37:10.811 Chapter 11
12 0:42:19.828 Chapter 12
13 0:45:54.752 Chapter 13
14 0:48:43.837 Chapter 14
15 0:51:42.265 Chapter 15
16 0:55:59.105 Chapter 16
17 0:59:18.096 Chapter 17
18 1:02:47.346 Chapter 18
19 1:06:24.146 Chapter 19
20 1:10:05.326 Chapter 20
21 1:12:42.524 Chapter 21
22 1:16:45.559 Chapter 22
23 1:19:05.866 Chapter 23
24 1:21:30.552 Chapter 24
25 1:24:54.714 Chapter 25
26 1:28:38.771 Chapter 26
27 1:31:13.801 Chapter 27
28 1:33:40.781 Chapter 28
29 1:37:34.390 Chapter 29
30 1:40:59.887 Chapter 30
31 1:43:27.534 Chapter 31
32 1:48:17.324 Chapter 32
33 1:54:57.348 Chapter 33
34 1:58:39.612 Chapter 34
35 2:01:49.135 Chapter 35
36 2:05:51.669 Chapter 36
37 2:08:11.850 Chapter 37

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File PID Type Seconds Bytes Packets Bitrate
---- --- ---- ------- ----- ------- -------
00000.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0xEA 7955.24 14,742,646,562 80,237,480 14825.60
00000.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x81 7955.24 636,395,520 3,728,881 639.98
00000.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x81 7955.24 636,395,520 3,728,880 639.98
00000.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 7955.24 54,275,691 305,303 54.58
00000.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 7955.24 47,125,967 265,898 47.39
00000.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 7955.24 54,943,218 309,077 55.25
00000.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 7955.24 57,265,480 322,209 57.59

Primeval - LPCM (uncompressed) 24-bit/48kHz

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Primeval AVC 1:34:12 21,271,597,056* 24,905,514,792 30.11 20.01 LPCM 5.1 6912Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps



PLAYLIST REPORT:

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Size: 21,271,597,056 bytes
Length: 1:34:12 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 30.11 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00001.M2TS 12,153,507,840 0:53:28.830 0:00:00.000 0:53:28.830
00007.M2TS 9,118,089,216 0:40:43.482 0:53:28.830 1:34:12.313

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 20006 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
LPCM Audio English 6912 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 6912kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 17 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 45 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 16 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 15 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 1 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:04:35.400 Chapter 2
3 0:08:28.382 Chapter 3
4 0:13:21.717 Chapter 4
5 0:16:25.776 Chapter 5
6 0:24:58.455 Chapter 6
7 0:30:27.200 Chapter 7
8 0:36:08.624 Chapter 8
9 0:42:03.979 Chapter 9
10 0:48:00.419 Chapter 10
11 0:51:25.499 Chapter 11
12 0:57:55.972 Chapter 12
13 1:09:21.282 Chapter 13
14 1:17:03.869 Chapter 14
15 1:22:09.966 Chapter 15
16 1:27:00.840 Chapter 16
17 1:34:12.063 Chapter 17

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File PID Type Seconds Bytes Packets Bitrate
---- --- ---- ------- ----- ------- -------
00001.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0x1B 3208.83 8,091,012,081 44,018,156 20171.86
00001.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x80 3208.83 2,772,433,440 15,402,408 6912.01
00001.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x81 3208.83 256,706,560 1,504,140 640.00
00001.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 3208.83 8,772,299 51,328 21.87
00001.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 3208.83 8,351,348 48,570 20.82
00001.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 3208.83 7,903,288 46,170 19.70
00001.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 3208.83 564,221 3,268 1.41
00001.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 3208.83 256,706,560 1,504,140 640.00
00001.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 3208.83 19,687,259 112,422 49.08
00001.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 3208.83 77,011,968 501,380 192.00
00007.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0x1B 2443.48 6,044,282,953 32,883,789 19789.08
00007.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x80 2443.48 2,111,171,040 11,728,728 6912.01
00007.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x81 2443.48 195,479,040 1,145,385 640.00
00007.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 2443.48 195,479,040 1,145,385 640.00
00007.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 2443.48 58,643,712 381,795 192.00
00007.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 2443.48 3,243,917 19,274 10.62
00007.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 2443.48 2,924,672 17,225 9.58
00007.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 2443.48 2,897,679 17,112 9.49
00007.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 2443.48 92,070 525 0.30
00007.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 2443.48 12,033,458 68,975 39.40

It's obvious Primeval's video encode was tailored to fit on a BD-25.

To see this in action, please set the BD menu language in your player to a language of your choice. If the desired language ain't available on the BD then the player will display the menu in default language (English). Examples of titles with such implementation are listed below.

Warner

Zodiac (Import)
Sweeney Todd (Import)
Harry Potter 1 ~ 5
Natural Born Killers
Dirty Harry
Ocean's Trilogy
Batman Begins
V for Vendetta
Gotham Knight

BVHE

National Treasure 1 & 2
Enchanted
Shall we dance
Signs
Unbreakable

FOX

Day and Night Watch (Import - FOX)

I think most of the BVHE and Warner BD titles released in the past 6~8 months feature this hidden multi-lingual menu implementation.

One strange thing you will notice is the limiting of audio and subtitles. For example, the Japanese menu in Sweeney Todd (Import) doesn't list spoken languages/subs other than English & Japanese.

Help required

Can anyone post BD Info scan report for the following titles ?

National Treasure - 1
Natural Born Killers
Men in Black
Zodiac (Warner - Import)
Dune (French Import)
Peter Pan (Sony - Import)

Question: Does anybody know any Blu-Rays with subtitles in *text* format? You know, Blu-Ray supports subtitles in both graphical and text format. Usually it seems that the graphical format is the one which is used by most studios. However, I'm looking for a Blu-Ray which has text subtitles.

Thanks!

Question: Does anybody know any Blu-Rays with subtitles in *text* format?
I have not seen any titles with these - all that I've seen are presentation graphics. However, you'd think that some title out there would have them...

However, you'd think that some title out there would have them...
That was my hope. I recall paidgeek having mentioned that Sony Pictures might use text subtitles sooner or later to allow dynamic placing of the subtitles (to move them into the image area for CIH users). But I'm not sure. Maybe he also meant they'd just offer multiple PGS streams at various positions...

Is there a good clean way to determine region coding from a Blu-ray PC drive yet?

I got a few UK discs in the mail today and it would be interesting to get a definitive answer on the Region coding.

In any case, as I find time I will run them through the squid processor...

Through the wonders of piracy I got this crappy release on my hard drive... The AACS was already removed so the reported disc size is probably around 10MB less than its actual size.

PowerDVD confirms that this doesn't work in Region A or C - it's locked to Region B only.

About the extras:
- The TV special includes interviews with the cast and crew in English but they're forcibly dubbed over by the German narrator.
- The trailer is the same as the USA version but with the Warner logo and German audio/text. It's obviously poorly transferred from a film print so the colors and resolution are worse than the USA trailer.

I'll be updating my PIX thread soon, but I just had to rage about this first: the ****ing TRAILER is VC-1 encoded at 6.82Mbps higher than the film itself!!! :eek::eek::eek::rolleyes:

...With DTS-HD MA 24-bit audio, duplicated to two tracks, no less...


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
(DE) Rambo VC-1 1:31:13 18,359,592,960 ~20,119,118,800 26.84 17.97 DTS-HD Master 5.1 2653Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)




PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00004.mpls
Size: 18,359,592,960 bytes
Length: 1:31:13 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 26.84 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00005.M2TS 18,359,592,960 1:31:13.092 0:00:00.000 1:31:13.092

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 17971 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 2653 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 2653kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1536kbps)
DTS-HD Master Audio German 4432 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 4432kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 3 kbps [foreign dialogue scenes only]
Presentation Graphics German 50 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 71 kbps [hard-of-hearing]
Presentation Graphics German 4 kbps [foreign dialogue scenes only]

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:07:15.643 Chapter 2
3 0:12:22.074 Chapter 3
4 0:16:27.403 Chapter 4
5 0:23:32.911 Chapter 5
6 0:31:46.029 Chapter 6
7 0:41:03.461 Chapter 7
8 0:49:15.661 Chapter 8
9 1:01:01.658 Chapter 9
10 1:08:30.022 Chapter 10
11 1:16:51.398 Chapter 11
12 1:19:53.413 Chapter 12



Extras:


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
(extra) German theatrical trailer VC-1 0:02:20 558,864,384 20,119,118,800 31.84 24.79 DTS-HD Master 5.1 2594Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DTS-HD Master 5.1 2594Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)




PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00054.mpls
Size: 558,864,384 bytes
Length: 0:02:20 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 31.84 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

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---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00076.M2TS 558,864,384 0:02:20.431 0:00:00.000 0:02:20.431

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 24786 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio German 2594 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 2594kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
DTS-HD Master Audio German 2594 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 2594kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 1 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 1 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 1 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 1 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:02:20.056 Chapter 2




Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
(extra) "Making Of: John Rambo" TV special MPEG-2 0:20:02 1,147,318,272 20,119,118,800 7.64 6.79 DD AC3 2.0 192Kbps




PLAYLIST REPORT:

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Size: 1,147,318,272 bytes
Length: 0:20:02 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 7.64 Mbps
Description:

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Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00014.M2TS 1,147,318,272 0:20:02.040 0:00:00.000 0:20:02.040

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-2 Video 6787 kbps 576i / 25fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby Digital Audio German 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio German 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 0 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:06:38.240 Chapter 2
3 0:11:43.120 Chapter 3
4 0:17:12.480 Chapter 4
5 0:20:01.680 Chapter 5



ANYWAY...

Is there a good clean way to determine region coding from a Blu-ray PC drive yet?

I got a few UK discs in the mail today and it would be interesting to get a definitive answer on the Region coding.

Just manually checking with PowerDVD (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1027837) seems to be the best way still, unfortunately.

...With DTS-HD MA 24-bit audio, duplicated to two tracks, no less...


Hm, the spec you posted read 1 track @16-bit (English) and 1 @24-bit (German).

Screwy how they would give the dub higher resolution rather than the original soundtrack.

Just manually checking with PowerDVD (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1027837) seems to be the best way still, unfortunately.

Ok - interesting.

I probably got PowerDVD with one or other of my BD drives :D

Cheers!

Hm, the spec you posted read 1 track @16-bit (English) and 1 @24-bit (German).

Screwy how they would give the dub higher resolution rather than the original soundtrack.

That statement was still referring to the trailer. Likewise the TV special has 2x German stereo track. :confused:

DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ----------------------- ---------------------
The Bank Job AVC 1:52:01 19,677,437,952 23,620,157,820 23.42 18.32 DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 2714Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)



PLAYLIST REPORT:

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Size: 19,677,437,952 bytes
Length: 1:52:01 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 23.42 Mbps
Description:

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---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00001.M2TS 19,677,437,952 1:52:01.756 0:00:00.000 1:52:01.756

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 18323 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 2714 kbps 7.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 2714kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1536kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 224 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 224kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 56 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 64 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 56 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:07:21.524 Chapter 2
3 0:13:47.493 Chapter 3
4 0:18:59.930 Chapter 4
5 0:24:47.277 Chapter 5
6 0:36:32.231 Chapter 6
7 0:40:28.426 Chapter 7
8 0:45:56.754 Chapter 8
9 0:54:10.789 Chapter 9
10 0:59:52.130 Chapter 10
11 1:05:51.030 Chapter 11
12 1:15:42.329 Chapter 12
13 1:22:39.871 Chapter 13
14 1:30:48.401 Chapter 14
15 1:38:27.401 Chapter 15
16 1:45:52.262 Chapter 16
17 1:52:01.506 Chapter 17



Despite the bitrate, I thought this looked really nice. It was tweaked to look like the 70's but I liked the style.

DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
Advertised
Total Video Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------- ----------------------- ---------------------
Shutter AVC 1:29:37 27,542,630,400 34,012,876,992 40.97 33.59 34 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 4007Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)


PLAYLIST REPORT:

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Length: 1:29:37 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 40.97 Mbps
Description:

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Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00054.M2TS 27,542,630,400 1:29:37.663 0:00:00.000 1:29:37.663

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 33585 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 4007 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 4007kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio French 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 224 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 224kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 42 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 0 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 26 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 34 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 2 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 27 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 29 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 0 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:04:03.201 Chapter 2
3 0:06:02.403 Chapter 3
4 0:09:03.960 Chapter 4
5 0:13:08.537 Chapter 5
6 0:16:34.827 Chapter 6
7 0:22:28.013 Chapter 7
8 0:27:24.684 Chapter 8
9 0:28:49.269 Chapter 9
10 0:33:31.009 Chapter 10
11 0:38:39.817 Chapter 11
12 0:42:10.402 Chapter 12
13 0:47:12.037 Chapter 13
14 0:49:10.238 Chapter 14
15 0:52:42.701 Chapter 15
16 0:56:21.127 Chapter 16
17 0:58:14.449 Chapter 17
18 1:03:19.378 Chapter 18
19 1:09:44.388 Chapter 19
20 1:11:21.443 Chapter 20
21 1:17:03.535 Chapter 21
22 1:19:55.290 Chapter 22
23 1:21:18.164 Chapter 23
24 1:24:40.283 Chapter 24
25 1:29:37.413 Chapter 25



No impressions yet.. After stubbing me for 2 weeks straight for new releases, Netflix decides to send me both. Now that my career has started I have less time for movie watching :(

DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ----------------------- ---------------------
The Bank Job AVC 1:52:01 19,677,437,952 23,620,157,820 23.42 18.32 DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 2714Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)

Despite the bitrate, I thought this looked really nice. It was tweaked to look like the 70's but I liked the style.

Wow - so it is a BD25 then... Great film I might add!

Battle of Britain - DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Battle of Britain MPEG-2 2:12:10 21,819,813,888 22,166,813,822 22.01 17.41 DTS-HD Master 5.1 2214Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps / DD AC3 2.0 224Kbps



PLAYLIST REPORT:

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Size: 21,819,813,888 bytes
Length: 2:12:10 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 22.01 Mbps
Description:

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Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00028.M2TS 21,819,813,888 2:12:10.923 0:00:00.000 2:12:10.923

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-2 Video 17406 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 2214 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 2214kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 224 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 224kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 29 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 5 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 22 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 5 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 18 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 27 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:12:17.319 Chapter 2
3 0:13:40.736 Chapter 3
4 0:16:49.008 Chapter 4
5 0:20:39.363 Chapter 5
6 0:25:16.264 Chapter 6
7 0:31:11.953 Chapter 7
8 0:36:49.040 Chapter 8
9 0:38:14.041 Chapter 9
10 0:42:17.618 Chapter 10
11 0:46:28.702 Chapter 11
12 0:50:31.445 Chapter 12
13 0:54:49.327 Chapter 13
14 1:00:05.184 Chapter 14
15 1:02:20.570 Chapter 15
16 1:07:43.017 Chapter 16
17 1:13:54.596 Chapter 17
18 1:15:44.873 Chapter 18
19 1:19:58.126 Chapter 19
20 1:22:25.023 Chapter 20
21 1:27:01.382 Chapter 21
22 1:30:31.634 Chapter 22
23 1:37:09.865 Chapter 23
24 1:40:03.247 Chapter 24
25 1:46:46.149 Chapter 25
26 1:54:40.206 Chapter 26
27 2:03:29.443 Chapter 27
28 2:09:08.240 Chapter 28
29 2:12:10.672 Chapter 29

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File PID Type Seconds Bytes Packets Bitrate
---- --- ---- ------- ----- ------- -------
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00028.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 7930.92 28,451,721 162,656 28.70
00028.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 7930.92 26,774,497 152,843 27.01
00028.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 7930.92 21,843,771 125,786 22.03
00028.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 7930.92 18,221,805 106,243 18.38
00028.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 7930.92 4,725,833 27,083 4.77
00028.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x86 7930.92 2,194,614,040 12,688,523 2213.73
00028.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x81 7930.92 444,132,864 2,478,420 448.00
00028.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 7930.92 222,066,432 1,239,210 224.00
00028.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 7930.92 444,132,864 2,478,420 448.00
00028.M2TS 4613 (0x1205) 0x90 7930.92 5,177,388 29,703 5.22

DTS HD Master 5.1 Audio ouput: HDMI vs. Analog outs


Can someone tell me why some people think (or they are actually convinced) that when they play DTS HD Master audio track via analog outs versus via bitstream via HDMI to capable receivers, they are getting "better" quality sound ?

I just would like to find out if indeed playing it via analog outputs does provide better quality. In my opinion these 2 methods should produce exact same quality audio, shouldn't they ? I often hear that the analog out option provides more dynamic and more clear audio experience. Maybe someone could explain to me what are the differences (if there are any) when it comes to processing the DTS HD Master audio stream via those 2 methods.

I currently have Samsung 1400 BD player bit streaming into Denon AVR-988 recieverm so I am getting the fullest DTS HD Master audio , however, my friend has the same setup as far as BD player but he instead sends the DTS HD Master audio to his Yamaha 1700 as a LPCM via analog outs (PCM option on Samsung 1400) And he swears that his analog out generated audio sounds a lot better then the one I send via HDMI. I personally don't hear any difference but would like to know if that is possible and if so why ?

Just in case, you are wondering. Both of us don't apply any post processing in our receivers and our BD players have LARGE speakers setup in the audio setup menu.

Your opinions, experiences and explanations are much appreciated as always

Thanks,
Nikonowski

P.S. I Love You - Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
P.S. I Love You VC-1 2:06:02 22,239,301,632 23,909,411,304 23.52 18.11 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1457Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)



PLAYLIST REPORT:

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Description:

FILES:

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---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00000.M2TS 22,239,301,632 2:06:02.930 0:00:00.000 2:06:02.930

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 18112 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD Audio English 1457 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1457kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 38 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 32 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 34 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:05:17.984 Chapter 2
3 0:10:18.618 Chapter 3
4 0:13:44.657 Chapter 4
5 0:22:36.688 Chapter 5
6 0:25:46.044 Chapter 6
7 0:28:47.058 Chapter 7
8 0:32:00.251 Chapter 8
9 0:37:40.925 Chapter 9
10 0:42:15.533 Chapter 10
11 0:47:17.334 Chapter 11
12 0:50:23.854 Chapter 12
13 0:53:07.517 Chapter 13
14 0:57:25.775 Chapter 14
15 1:00:37.133 Chapter 15
16 1:03:41.484 Chapter 16
17 1:09:06.642 Chapter 17
18 1:13:46.755 Chapter 18
19 1:19:05.574 Chapter 19
20 1:22:39.621 Chapter 20
21 1:25:45.473 Chapter 21
22 1:29:03.671 Chapter 22
23 1:36:34.455 Chapter 23
24 1:41:54.441 Chapter 24
25 1:45:46.173 Chapter 25
26 1:51:43.029 Chapter 26
27 1:57:55.902 Chapter 27
28 2:00:46.239 Chapter 28
29 2:06:02.680 Chapter 29

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---- --- ---- ------- ----- ------- -------
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00000.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x83 7562.93 1,982,145,468 14,755,841 2096.70
00000.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 7562.93 35,884,505 205,977 37.96
00000.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 7562.93 30,293,981 173,878 32.04
00000.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 7562.93 32,243,948 184,705 34.11
00000.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x81 7562.93 605,035,520 3,545,130 640.00
00000.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 7562.93 605,035,520 3,545,130 640.00

Arlington Road - LPCM (uncompressed) 16-bit/48kHz

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Arlington Road MPEG-2 1:57:44 28,846,153,728 32,322,805,546 32.67 24.65 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps



PLAYLIST REPORT:

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Length: 1:57:44 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 32.67 Mbps
Description:

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---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00011.M2TS 28,846,153,728 1:57:44.682 0:00:00.000 1:57:44.682

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-2 Video 24649 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
LPCM Audio English 4608 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 4608kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 36 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 30 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 29 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 35 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 26 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 29 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 35 kbps
Presentation Graphics Thai 29 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:08:14.619 Chapter 2
3 0:13:38.818 Chapter 3
4 0:20:53.627 Chapter 4
5 0:26:54.779 Chapter 5
6 0:34:11.466 Chapter 6
7 0:39:15.603 Chapter 7
8 0:47:19.336 Chapter 8
9 0:55:38.084 Chapter 9
10 1:02:25.742 Chapter 10
11 1:11:17.690 Chapter 11
12 1:17:08.123 Chapter 12
13 1:24:22.599 Chapter 13
14 1:35:58.252 Chapter 14
15 1:44:05.906 Chapter 15
16 1:46:56.076 Chapter 16

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---- --- ---- ------- ----- ------- -------
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00011.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x80 7064.68 4,069,258,560 22,606,992 4608.00
00011.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x81 7064.68 565,176,320 3,311,580 640.00
00011.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x81 7064.68 565,176,320 3,311,580 640.00
00011.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 7064.68 169,552,896 1,103,860 192.00
00011.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 7064.68 31,723,438 180,583 35.92
00011.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 7064.68 26,917,866 156,004 30.48
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00011.M2TS 4615 (0x1207) 0x90 7064.68 26,001,650 149,876 29.44

Exiled (HK Import) BD Info posted info. Many thanks to member Rieper for posting the scan report.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14313427#post14313427

"Seamless branching? What's that?"


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Dark City: Director's Cut VC-1 1:51:43 21,823,856,640 45,517,950,048 26.04 17.83 DTS-HD Master 5.1 5913Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DTS 2.0 256Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)




PLAYLIST REPORT:

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Size: 21,823,856,640 bytes
Length: 1:51:43 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 26.04 Mbps
Description:

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---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00043.M2TS 21,823,856,640 1:51:43.738 0:00:00.000 1:51:43.738

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 17830 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 5913 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 5913kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
DTS Audio English 256 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 256kbps
DTS Audio English 256 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 256kbps
DTS Audio English 256 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 256kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 35 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 16 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 31 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:02:00.078 Chapter 2
3 0:07:20.022 Chapter 3
4 0:12:09.520 Chapter 4
5 0:19:22.286 Chapter 5
6 0:23:00.754 Chapter 6
7 0:27:40.867 Chapter 7
8 0:34:35.448 Chapter 8
9 0:48:26.653 Chapter 9
10 0:57:14.180 Chapter 10
11 1:05:31.677 Chapter 11
12 1:11:08.722 Chapter 12
13 1:16:27.874 Chapter 13
14 1:19:31.266 Chapter 14
15 1:29:16.809 Chapter 15
16 1:40:04.498 Chapter 16
17 1:45:08.302 Chapter 17
18 1:51:43.488 Chapter 18




Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Dark City: Theatrical VC-1 1:40:29 19,710,339,072 45,517,950,048 26.15 18.09 DTS-HD Master 5.1 6046Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DTS 2.0 256Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)




PLAYLIST REPORT:

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Total Bitrate: 26.15 Mbps
Description:

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Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00045.M2TS 19,710,339,072 1:40:29.064 0:00:00.000 1:40:29.064

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 18092 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 6046 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 6046kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
DTS Audio English 256 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 256kbps
DTS Audio English 256 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 256kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 37 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 33 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:02:53.882 Chapter 2
3 0:07:18.688 Chapter 3
4 0:11:32.316 Chapter 4
5 0:16:34.660 Chapter 5
6 0:19:44.850 Chapter 6
7 0:25:00.499 Chapter 7
8 0:29:51.080 Chapter 8
9 0:41:42.791 Chapter 9
10 0:49:34.972 Chapter 10
11 0:55:46.384 Chapter 11
12 1:01:23.429 Chapter 12
13 1:06:22.186 Chapter 13
14 1:09:17.778 Chapter 14
15 1:18:21.405 Chapter 15
16 1:28:56.956 Chapter 16
17 1:34:00.051 Chapter 17
18 1:40:28.814 Chapter 18

"Seamless branching? What's that?"
To be fair, seamless branching might be trickier to accomplish if there was extensive "minor" editing of various scenes with new musical cues rather than just tacking on extra scenes, but yeah...

Also, those DTS-HD Master tracks are supposed to be 7.1 correct? BDInfo can't detect this unfortunately.

Yeah, listed as 7.1 on the back.

Don't read this post lgans316! :)

Lady in the Water - Dolby Digital AC3 (lossy compression)

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Lady in the Water VC-1 1:49:39 11,398,526,976 14,159,299,772 13.86 10.96 DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps



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Size: 11,398,526,976 bytes
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Total Bitrate: 13.86 Mbps
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---- ---- ------ ------- --------
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VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 10961 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby Digital EX Audio English 640 kbps 5.1-EX / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital EX Audio French 640 kbps 5.1-EX / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital EX Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1-EX / 48kHz / 640kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 45 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 47 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 38 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 45 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:02:29.149 Chapter 2
3 0:08:09.655 Chapter 3
4 0:12:30.750 Chapter 4
5 0:16:53.679 Chapter 5
6 0:19:39.511 Chapter 6
7 0:23:27.572 Chapter 7
8 0:29:39.778 Chapter 8
9 0:33:47.358 Chapter 9
10 0:37:57.942 Chapter 10
11 0:41:42.500 Chapter 11
12 0:45:55.419 Chapter 12
13 0:49:06.276 Chapter 13
14 0:52:25.809 Chapter 14
15 0:55:07.637 Chapter 15
16 1:00:39.636 Chapter 16
17 1:06:54.343 Chapter 17
18 1:12:14.997 Chapter 18
19 1:16:40.262 Chapter 19
20 1:19:11.913 Chapter 20
21 1:23:28.336 Chapter 21
22 1:27:48.930 Chapter 22
23 1:31:20.975 Chapter 23
24 1:34:43.511 Chapter 24
25 1:37:14.829 Chapter 25
26 1:40:53.881 Chapter 26
27 1:41:49.103 Chapter 27
28 1:43:08.348 Chapter 28
29 1:49:38.738 Chapter 29

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---- --- ---- ------- ----- ------- -------
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Persepolis - Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Persepolis AVC 1:35:31 24,381,849,600 30,444,224,867 34.03 23.59 (FRENCH) Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1386Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) (ENGLISH) Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3762Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)



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Description:

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---- ---- ------ ------- --------
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VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 23594 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
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Dolby TrueHD Audio French 1386 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1386kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
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Presentation Graphics English 23 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 1 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 31 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 4 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
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2 0:08:12.742 Chapter 2
3 0:13:14.210 Chapter 3
4 0:17:58.911 Chapter 4
5 0:23:44.381 Chapter 5
6 0:31:20.169 Chapter 6
7 0:38:04.991 Chapter 7
8 0:41:23.689 Chapter 8
9 0:47:57.082 Chapter 9
10 0:54:43.780 Chapter 10
11 1:01:43.116 Chapter 11
12 1:05:41.145 Chapter 12
13 1:11:06.095 Chapter 13
14 1:18:30.330 Chapter 14
15 1:21:31.803 Chapter 15
16 1:28:39.605 Chapter 16

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Dolby Digital AC3 (lossy compression)
Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest VC-1 2:13:42 17,720,721,408 21,099,357,516 17.67 14.25 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps DD AC3 1.0 192Kbps



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Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 14245 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
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Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 1.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 192 kbps 1.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio German 192 kbps 1.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Italian 192 kbps 1.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 192 kbps 1.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 192 kbps 1.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

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----- -------- ------- -----------
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Presentation Graphics Danish 24 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 28 kbps
Presentation Graphics Finnish 24 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 21 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 35 kbps
Presentation Graphics Italian 27 kbps
Presentation Graphics Italian 33 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 40 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 20 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 23 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 36 kbps
Presentation Graphics Norwegian 24 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 23 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 28 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 27 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 28 kbps
Presentation Graphics Swedish 22 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:04:08.748 Chapter 2
3 0:08:29.175 Chapter 3
4 0:13:53.999 Chapter 4
5 0:21:07.266 Chapter 5
6 0:25:02.334 Chapter 6
7 0:27:24.142 Chapter 7
8 0:31:23.381 Chapter 8
9 0:34:12.050 Chapter 9
10 0:39:15.353 Chapter 10
11 0:47:19.336 Chapter 11
12 0:48:49.426 Chapter 12
13 0:51:25.916 Chapter 13
14 0:54:58.795 Chapter 14
15 1:02:05.722 Chapter 15
16 1:05:27.757 Chapter 16
17 1:06:56.512 Chapter 17
18 1:09:28.998 Chapter 18
19 1:10:46.575 Chapter 19
20 1:19:20.422 Chapter 20
21 1:26:50.371 Chapter 21
22 1:29:34.369 Chapter 22
23 1:36:53.474 Chapter 23
24 1:37:50.531 Chapter 24
25 1:41:24.411 Chapter 25
26 1:44:27.803 Chapter 26
27 1:50:39.633 Chapter 27
28 1:53:16.039 Chapter 28
29 1:59:02.301 Chapter 29
30 2:02:11.324 Chapter 30
31 2:04:12.945 Chapter 31
32 2:09:04.570 Chapter 32
33 2:11:25.878 Chapter 33
34 2:13:42.014 Chapter 34

Lady in the Water => 10 Mbps. Did you scan the BD or DVD ? :D
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest => 14.25 Mbps. Totally agree that Warner has stepped up their BD quality. :o

The WTC package came from Amazon with its two discs floating loose inside the case - yikes, but fortunately no scratches!

World Trade Center - Dolby Digital AC3 (lossy compression)

Total Video
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----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
World Trade Center MPEG-2 2:09:08 31,851,694,080**33,337,367,170 32.88 28.62 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps



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Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

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Presentation Graphics French 29 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 26 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:07:09.887 Chapter 2
3 0:10:47.855 Chapter 3
4 0:14:57.187 Chapter 4
5 0:19:35.174 Chapter 5
6 0:25:23.522 Chapter 6
7 0:36:42.700 Chapter 7
8 0:41:12.094 Chapter 8
9 0:45:32.312 Chapter 9
10 0:52:01.451 Chapter 10
11 0:58:04.105 Chapter 11
12 1:03:54.872 Chapter 12
13 1:07:44.810 Chapter 13
14 1:11:44.091 Chapter 14
15 1:15:54.549 Chapter 15
16 1:20:29.824 Chapter 16
17 1:25:12.482 Chapter 17
18 1:31:14.760 Chapter 18
19 1:35:00.361 Chapter 19
20 1:41:57.611 Chapter 20
21 1:49:32.274 Chapter 21
22 1:54:37.579 Chapter 22

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Dreamgirls - Dolby Digital AC3 (lossy compression)

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----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
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Presentation Graphics French 43 kbps
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CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:06:59.669 Chapter 2
3 0:14:13.310 Chapter 3
4 0:19:28.041 Chapter 4
5 0:26:58.783 Chapter 5
6 0:32:08.968 Chapter 6
7 0:39:12.099 Chapter 7
8 0:42:55.614 Chapter 8
9 0:48:46.340 Chapter 9
10 0:53:30.290 Chapter 10
11 0:56:47.112 Chapter 11
12 1:02:21.195 Chapter 12
13 1:07:29.045 Chapter 13
14 1:09:06.559 Chapter 14
15 1:12:28.886 Chapter 15
16 1:18:13.355 Chapter 16
17 1:23:58.199 Chapter 17
18 1:29:48.549 Chapter 18
19 1:36:16.687 Chapter 19
20 1:39:10.152 Chapter 20
21 1:43:40.339 Chapter 21
22 1:49:40.448 Chapter 22
23 1:54:14.722 Chapter 23
24 1:57:27.582 Chapter 24
25 2:00:35.228 Chapter 25
26 2:10:11.762 Chapter 26

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"Seamless branching? What's that?"


Total Video
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----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
Dark City: Director's Cut VC-1 1:51:43 21,823,856,640 45,517,950,048 26.04 17.83 DTS-HD Master 5.1 5913Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DTS 2.0 256Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)


More space wasted on DTS 2.0 24-bit 256kbps commentaries? It does seem like seamless branching would take a lot of work judging from what has been said about the DC, so I guess the choice is between getting one of the cuts at 36Mbps or two at 18Mbps.

Interesting pair of specs there, Cinema Squid. Lady in the Water at 10.96Mbps and Persepolis, a low frame rate 2D mostly B&W cartoon, at 23.59Mbps.

Again from what I see (I'm not sure how I could put the numbers into Excel to easily sort)...

Smallest specs:
Length
1. (J) Iblard Jikan (1080i59.94) @ 0:30:14
2. The Dream Is Alive (IMAX) @ 0:36:34 (disc also includes Blue Planet (IMAX) @ 0:42:26)

Movie Size
1. The Dream Is Alive (IMAX) @ 6,173,620,224 bytes (disc also includes Blue Planet (IMAX) @ 6,791,178,240 bytes)
2. (UK) Kanye West: Late Orchestration (1080i59.94) @ 8,259,889,152 bytes

Disc Size
1. Chronos @ ~12,507,443,494 bytes
2. Blue Planet (IMAX) [with The Dream Is Alive (IMAX)] @ ~13,006,584,580 bytes

Total Bitrate
1. Shogun's Ninja @ 13.82Mbps (disc also includes Killing Machine @ 14.34Mbps)
2. Lady in the Water @ 13.86Mbps

Video Bitrate
1. Lady in the Water @ 10.96Mbps
2. Troy: Director's Cut @ 11.77Mbps

Largest specs:
Length
1. Man Men: S1 D1 @ 3:53:13
2. Weeds: S2 D1 @ 3:44:57

Movie Size
1. Man Men: S1 D1 @ 49,740,926,976 bytes
2. Damages: S1 D2 @ 47,340,896,256 bytes

Disc Size
1. Dirty Dancing (jaggies) @ 50,037,102,827 bytes
2. Man Men: S1 D1 @ 49,979,468,058 bytes

Total Bitrate
1. (J) Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence @ 47.55Mbps
2. (J) Iblard Jikan (1080i59.94) @ 47.30Mbps

Video Bitrate
1. (J) Metropolis (2001) (no English subtitles) @ 37.67Mbps
2. (J) Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind @ 37.56Mbps

Largest specs:
Total Bitrate
2. (J) Iblard Jikan (1080i59.94) @ 47.30Mbps



Ha, this one always cracked me up since it's a paintings slideshow gallery.

If it was encoded at 3mpbs no one could tell the difference ;)

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----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
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Dolby Digital Audio Korean 224 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 224kbps

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Very interesting thread

Some titles from Russia

Disc Title: SPIDER_MAN_3
Disc Size: 48*008*999*137 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: Yes

<--- BEGIN FORUM PASTE --->

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Dolby Digital Audio Hungarian 640 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
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Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

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Presentation Graphics English 59 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 61 kbps
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Presentation Graphics Czech 17 kbps
Presentation Graphics Danish 18 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 19 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 51 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 50 kbps
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Presentation Graphics Polish 17 kbps
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Presentation Graphics Russian 0 kbps
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Presentation Graphics Swedish 19 kbps
Presentation Graphics Turkish 21 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:03:11.524 Chapter 2
3 0:04:39.737 Chapter 3
4 0:07:59.770 Chapter 4
5 0:08:33.679 Chapter 5
6 0:10:30.254 Chapter 6
7 0:13:54.708 Chapter 7
8 0:16:55.014 Chapter 8
9 0:22:24.301 Chapter 9
10 0:24:44.941 Chapter 10
11 0:27:11.546 Chapter 11
12 0:30:12.644 Chapter 12
13 0:32:31.240 Chapter 13
14 0:36:10.334 Chapter 14
15 0:39:43.964 Chapter 15
16 0:40:08.489 Chapter 16
17 0:41:43.209 Chapter 17
18 0:43:20.014 Chapter 18
19 0:44:43.472 Chapter 19
20 0:46:39.004 Chapter 20
21 0:49:24.544 Chapter 21
22 0:51:53.151 Chapter 22
23 0:59:27.730 Chapter 23
24 1:03:30.473 Chapter 24
25 1:06:34.532 Chapter 25
26 1:08:07.416 Chapter 26
27 1:10:45.824 Chapter 27
28 1:13:50.592 Chapter 28
29 1:15:23.393 Chapter 29
30 1:16:42.264 Chapter 30
31 1:19:21.715 Chapter 31
32 1:22:16.681 Chapter 32
33 1:24:21.347 Chapter 33
34 1:27:08.348 Chapter 34
35 1:30:17.787 Chapter 35
36 1:32:43.474 Chapter 36
37 1:35:14.375 Chapter 37
38 1:35:53.497 Chapter 38
39 1:40:46.331 Chapter 39
40 1:44:15.624 Chapter 40
41 1:47:20.225 Chapter 41
42 1:49:10.794 Chapter 42
43 1:52:52.724 Chapter 43
44 1:56:34.570 Chapter 44
45 1:59:57.106 Chapter 45
46 2:00:28.346 Chapter 46
47 2:02:26.756 Chapter 47
48 2:04:29.378 Chapter 48
49 2:06:11.313 Chapter 49
50 2:09:33.474 Chapter 50
51 2:11:56.491 Chapter 51
52 2:13:59.197 Chapter 52

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Disc Size: 24*008*360*887 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: No


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CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:13:51.363 Chapter 2
3 0:24:29.301 Chapter 3
4 0:40:05.736 Chapter 4
5 0:50:20.550 Chapter 5
6 1:09:20.556 Chapter 6
7 1:18:34.643 Chapter 7
8 1:25:56.417 Chapter 8
9 1:29:56.190 Chapter 9
10 1:46:18.872 Chapter 10
11 1:59:14.080 Chapter 11
12 2:06:01.754 Chapter 12

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Disc Title: Casino Royale 72325354_CASINO_ROYALE
Disc Size: 49*163*230*782 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: No


Total Video
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----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
00000.mpls AVC 2:24:20 37*323*122*688 49*163*230*782 34,48 24,64 LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps



PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00000.mpls
Size: 37*323*122*688 bytes
Length: 2:24:20 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 34,48 Mbps
Description:

FILES:

Name Size Length Time In Time Out
---- ---- ------ ------- --------
00000.M2TS 37*323*122*688 2:24:20.652 0:00:00.000 2:24:20.652

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 24637 kbps 1080p / 23,976fps

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
LPCM Audio English 4608 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 4608kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Czech 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Hungarian 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Polish 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Russian 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Turkish 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 31 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 24 kbps
Presentation Graphics Arabic 15 kbps
Presentation Graphics Bulgarian 27 kbps
Presentation Graphics Croatian 27 kbps
Presentation Graphics Czech 28 kbps
Presentation Graphics Hebrew 24 kbps
Presentation Graphics Hindi 30 kbps
Presentation Graphics Hungarian 24 kbps
Presentation Graphics Icelandic 28 kbps
Presentation Graphics Polish 24 kbps
Presentation Graphics Romanian 32 kbps
Presentation Graphics Slovenian 25 kbps
Presentation Graphics Turkish 31 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time Name
------ ---- ----
1 0:00:00.000 Chapter 1
2 0:09:38.286 Chapter 2
3 0:19:31.503 Chapter 3
4 0:25:36.326 Chapter 4
5 0:35:19.242 Chapter 5
6 0:39:59.855 Chapter 6
7 0:45:22.761 Chapter 7
8 0:57:51.384 Chapter 8
9 1:07:22.621 Chapter 9
10 1:17:12.377 Chapter 10
11 1:30:06.401 Chapter 11
12 1:38:41.498 Chapter 12
13 1:43:29.953 Chapter 13
14 1:53:49.823 Chapter 14
15 2:05:31.899 Chapter 15
16 2:13:06.228 Chapter 16

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Nice one, Mikl1984. Great to have a new contributor!

As expected, Spider-Man 3 is the same encode as USA judging from the video bitrate. Casino Royale is tougher to tell due to the international cut. Strange that it's only 8 secs longer than the USA disc, I guess it has less studio logos?

The Russian and Australian versions could be the same as Studios usually feature Russian audio/subtitles on their Australian release.
I don't agree
As you may see my titles made for all Europe including dozen languages.

BTW only Spider Man 3 have russian box, but Casino is just EU edition including russian language